My prediction about Fawley's statement to police...

I don't think Fawley will make a full confession to either premediated or second degree murder. I believe that he has had enough time to read the writing on the wall, so to speak, and that he has come to the realization that the police are mounting a very solid case against him as each and every day goes by.

With the newest development that a witness has placed him in a location halfway between Diggs, VA and Richmond on the night of Taylor's disappearance, and futhermore that this witness is reported to have seen him alone driving Taylor's car, his 'abduction' alibi is quickly losing ground.

The credit card purchase in New Kent was among his most blatant mistakes and he realized this from the very beginning. This has ultimately pinned him in between a rock and hard place in terms of the veracity of his initial alibi.

I'm also certain that Fawley must also be aware of the types of evidence the task force has now collected against him, especially in light of the recovery of Taylor and the subsequent searches of the crime scene at the Crabill farm.

My prediction is that Fawley will now change his story to reflect Taylor as having had some kind of accident and that he panicked and hid her body rather than reporting the incident. This has been speculated here on this forum already and I would concur with this view.

Fawley's lawyer stated that his client was extremely eager to make a statement to police in order to resolve involvement. There are very few murderers that are eager to accept full responsibility for the actions against their victims, and I'm sure Ben Fawley is hardly the exception. I can think of no other reason Fawley was amandant to talk to law enforcment other than for him to change his story and try to exonerate himself from full responsibility whilst acknowleging a deeper involvement in Taylor's death.

Fawley's lawyer advised him against making a statement or meeting with police, and from a legal standpoint I'm sure that was very good advice. But Fawley, being Fawley, obviously didn't heed it.

Whether or not Fawley will attempt to implicate others remains to be seen, but I personally don't think he will. It would be pointless unless he could prove such to LE, and I don't believe he can. Changing the story so that Taylor's death was purely accidental would, in Fawley's eyes, be his only way out of the situation as it now stands.

I believe Fawley is 100 percent guilty of murder, and I'm sure the police do too at this point.

Just my .02 cents on the matter and purely speculation on my part. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next few days.

Mornin Ruger!!

I think your post is well thought out and probably very much on the mark. However, as I said on another thread, we still don't know IF Taylor was "murdered" or whether it was an accidental death. THAT having been said, let me ask this .. if she was murdered, given that there were no obvious signs of any trauma, what do you think happened to her?? The only thing I can come up with is an overdose, accidental or otherwise. And as I understand it, the tox results are not back yet!

Help!!!

[Researcher]

Ruger, great post. I also think since it has also been reported that he was intoxicated before the alien abduction event. He may very well also try to say that he went out with T to go to Diggs and/or beach for photo-ops-used her car since he supposedly (wink. wink) had no car and doesn't drive; she drove. He was drinking, had a blackout, and gee! Woke up with T dead next to him in a ditch (the ditch she was in). He panicked, hitch-hiked home or whatever. He is also going to say he didn't know what happened because he wasn't taking his meds (which is likely a non-issue--we don't yet know if he actually is bipolar and needs meds--I think this dx is just a tool in his pocket to pull out when he needs it...although I probably shouldn't use words like that when discussing Benny Boy).

Good Morning Rowan!


Yours is a very valid point regarding proof of trauma or the possibility of something like a drug overdose.

From all the news accounts I've read, LE indicated from the time that Taylor was found that they would pursue "nothing less than 1st degree murder charges", and "we feel confident that we know what happened to Taylor that night", this latter quote from interviews with the Richmond Police Chief. This same RPD chief has also made numerous inferences that Fawley is the only suspect at this point.

I'm surmising that the collected evidence against Fawley in regards to Taylor's death is the foundation of LE's suggestive commentary so far. The evidence must be good and it would appear to me that LE knows a lot more about the entire situation than they are presently revealing.

LE also mentioned or inferred at one point that they believed Taylor's death occurred within Mathews county, site of the Crabill farm, although no reason for this conclusion was publicly given out. Was there possibly evidence of trauma at the crime scene? Would Fawley and Taylor both drive out to the shores of the Chesapeake late at night to do drugs on an abandoned farm?

Fawley's past erratic behavior, fits of rage, particulary episodes of violence towards women, could certainly make him a plausible candidate for a crime such as this. Of course, no such facts automatically determine guilt by any means, nor does it rule out an accident having actually occurred as you mention.

I think the most striking thing to me personally, assuming Fawely has acknowledged involment or some kind of cognizance as to the cause of Taylor's death, is his lack of conscious. To be seemingly unaffected to any degree by Taylor's death (assuming he has known all along what happened to her), and going through the ruse of putting up missing posters and giving interviews, is not normal.

A good subject for debate.

Ruger, thank you for putting forth so many thought-provoking issues. I am going to have to think on them and respond when I am not so rushed.

I agree that the feeling from the police from the get-go has been 1st degree murder, and so must admit that they would not speculate on something so very important.

I still wonder about place of death - that puzzles me tremendously. And I agree that his temperment speaks to violence. So many questions ..

And as to his wanting to speak up now, cover his butt, whatever .. most psychopaths in recent history have done the same .. Scott Peterson for one. So it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Let me think on the points you've raised ..

[quote]Originally posted by Rowan Again
[b]Mornin Ruger!!

The only thing I can come up with is an overdose, accidental or otherwise. And as I understand it, the tox results are not back yet!

Help!!! [/B/QUOTE]__________________________________________________ _____On Rita Cosby last night, Dr. Baden (sp) said that since there was no soft tissue left of here remains (only bones), tox would most likely yield no results. An overdose wouldn't be detectable, only chronic use over a long period of time. I'm hoping he doesn't know the details of the exact condition of her remains. It would be so frustrating to never know.

Originally posted by Researcher
Ruger, great post. I also think since it has also been reported that he was intoxicated before the alien abduction event. He may very well also try to say that he went out with T to go to Diggs and/or beach for photo-ops-used her car since he supposedly (wink. wink) had no car and doesn't drive; she drove. He was drinking, had a blackout, and gee! Woke up with T dead next to him in a ditch (the ditch she was in). He panicked, hitch-hiked home or whatever. He is also going to say he didn't know what happened because he wasn't taking his meds (which is likely a non-issue--we don't yet know if he actually is bipolar and needs meds--I think this dx is just a tool in his pocket to pull out when he needs it...although I probably shouldn't use words like that when discussing Benny Boy).

except that he just happened to have a large garbage bag to put her in when he panicked.

I keep thinking about one of BF's writings where he stated that he "wanted to try something with Taylor", and am wondering if it could be Autoerotic Asphyxia, (strangulation used as sex enhancement aka "breath play" and "terminal sex") which might have caused her death?

That would explain why BF stated that he and Taylor had sex the night she disappeared, and might also account for the remark he made about Taylor's mother not liking or wanting to hear some of what Taylor did.

IMO

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I keep thinking about one of BF's writings where he stated that he "wanted to try something with Taylor", and am wondering if it could be Autoerotic Asphyxia, (strangulation used as sex enhancement aka "breath play" and "terminal sex") which might have caused her death?

That would explain why BF stated that he and Taylor had sex the night she disappeared, and might also account for the remark he made about Taylor's mother not liking or wanting to hear some of what Taylor did.

IMO

yeah, I'll bet that's what happened.

But then her neck bone would have been broken. And the police have indicated that there were "no obvious causes of death"

On the OTHER hand, they also say that "no one could have done that to themselves"

Perhaps there was something external around her neck or something that would lend to the second statement. I don't know. It's perplexing.

I have it in my head that he chose the particular "burial spot" and method to serve several purposes.

1. to get some sort of twisted revenge on his ex - to defile her. even if the body was never discovered.

2. if the body was never discovered he could return. he has a fascination with skulls. perhaps he intended on collecting a trophy

moo

Sadly, I think #2 is quite possibly what he was thinking.

Originally posted by Rowan Again
But then her neck bone would have been broken. And the police have indicated that there were "no obvious causes of death"

On the OTHER hand, they also say that "no one could have done that to themselves"

Perhaps there was something external around her neck or something that would lend to the second statement. I don't know. It's perplexing.

I believe the "no one could have done that to themselves"
statement had to do with her being buried in a shallow grave.

[TN_Profiler]

Anima - your idea #2 just gave me the chills. (and I never get the chills)

For the sake of humanity, let's all hope your idea is wrong.

Originally posted by anima
<snip>
if the body was never discovered he could return. he has a fascination with skulls. perhaps he intended on collecting a trophy

moo

omg

Let's hope he's not that sick -

I think the "she didn't do this to herself" was - she didn't put herself in a grave in a trash bag and she didn't drive her car after death halfway back to her dorm and switch it's liscence plates.

The whole choking thing could be a possibility - but its not "illegal", and the other thing is - if this is what BF tries to use as an excuse - then I hardly believe that it was really a whole mutual "choking sex game" and really like he lost control and killed her.

If she did OD or die because of drugs - then this would have had to happen somewhere else than the Farm - and that's probably why Ben was able to get a trash bag. I'm assuming it happened back at his place.

I think he put her on that Farm - not for some twist sick reason of going back and collecting her skull, but because he was trying to make it look like his X-girlfriend might have done it or had someone do it. That's why he brought her into his story of being jumped. I don't think he planned this - because why would he be dumb enough to use his own credit card?

can someone give me a link to the trashbag statement? I've not seen it anywhere, maybe I'm overlooking it.

Originally posted by Rowan Again
can someone give me a link to the trashbag statement? I've not seen it anywhere, maybe I'm overlooking it.

http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp...6&nav=0Rcx3aIN

Originally posted by starling


omg

didn't mean to cause anyone discomfort. just stuck in my head that this guy has a fascination with skulls. totally creepy.

moo

Dun -- I think you are correct, but I'm no expert. I believe they can get info from marrow, also wondered about hair? I'm just hoping they get details, one way or the other from the results. They seem very confident, and so far not much talk of evidence, makes me think - either they have good evidence from the scene, or they are banking on the tox results. I don't know what is typical, but I inferred from all I read, there are several more in depth testings going on... What else is typical besides tox screens?
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There was talk earlier about cause of death. I think it IS possible to be strangled, especially a young girl being more flexible, the hyoid bone does not always break. Asphyxiation would leave no obvious trauma either, right?
I really don't know what happened, waiting not so patiently as to what the officials say. There is always the OD, possible accident, the above, ... drowning? I've heard tell that's another "game" that some play, same idea as Autoerotic Asphyxia. Remember it is no OBVIOUS trauma, not every bullet nicks a bone, etc.

Shallow grave - There was NO burial, she was found dumped in a ravine with her remains in black plastic. Shallow grave is a loose term and in this case I do not believe ANY digging went on. I think her skull being removed from her body is what she could not do herself. I think once they canvassed that woodsy area that gave them the "pretty good idea we know what happened to her". JMO

Anime - I think it's both 1 + 2.

I think it's still open to many possibilities. LE is pretty quiet, they are waiting for the tests. They want a slam dunk for the guilty party. So far, I think they've done an outstanding job. I won't be floored if there are many surprises to come in this case.
What popped out to me in the articles, ty (I stuck it over on the links thread too), was Collins describing Fawley as "FRANTIC" to talk to the police. Remember Collins was his guy early on, stepped off, public def. came in, then Collins took it back over. Someone mentioned earlier he is known as a Death Penalty defense. I have forgotten the dates, did he come back in when they found Taylor? Interesting I thought. Is BF being medicated? What is SOP once incarcerated for mental patients?

I really don't know why he talked now, unless he's talking about someone else being involved. Or, he's playing the accidental card. 2 hrs doesn't seem like much, I'm guessing, it seems if he was telling the whole truth, it would take longer to get all the details.
ALL the above, JMO.

Originally posted by Rowan Again
can someone give me a link to the trashbag statement? I've not seen it anywhere, maybe I'm overlooking it.

Plastic Bag

Excerpt:

The scene is in a remote area of Mathews County about three tenths of a mile off Knight's Wood Road. Sources close to the investigation say Taylor was found in a ravine along a dirt road. Her decomposed body found wrapped in a plastic bag with her remains scattered around.
Investigators don't know how long she had been there.

BF CONFESSED... to burying Taylor after she died accidentally during sex. WRIC-8 in Richmond has the exclusive story.

[LADY2NOW]

Hey, I'm a new member but have been following the case for some days now. Have a couple of thoughts--the fact that Taylor's body was found in a plastic bag leads one to believe that she didn't die on the property in Mathews County--she died elsewhere and the perpetrator used her car to transport her to Mathews. How many people, college students or not, keep a box of Hefty bags or sheets of plastic in their trunk (I do, but that's just because I have a big dog who rides along with me)? Also, whatever happened to the skateboard Taylor supposedly borrowed from BF? From my recollections, the items mentioned that she had with her when she disappeared included keys, a cell phone, and some cash. If she'd already been to BF's place to borrow a skateboard, where's the skateboard? Did her roommate say anything about it? In one of BF's entries on his LJ, after Taylor's disappearance, he says something like, "missing my skateboard" (really?, or was he just trying to solidify his statement to LE that she'd come by around 9:30 to borrow a skateboard?). Also, how many 17-yr-olds, new to sexuality, would get "home" (to her dorm) after having dinner with one boyfriend/ex-boyfriend, then go to another assignation (BF) to borrow a skateboard and have sex (BF's contention) and be "home" again within 40 minutes! I think she went to BF's after she left her roommate to give her some privacy. And don't let the fact that her body was found in a ravine (or indentation in the ground) and not in a "shallow grave" throw you. I think her body was "dumped", in a panic, on isolated property known to the assailant (probably BF) and the fact that it was property shown to him by his ex (Erin) was just a plus in his mind at the time. Just thoughts....

Originally posted by AusTana72
BF CONFESSED... to burying Taylor after she died accidentally during sex. WRIC-8 in Richmond has the exclusive story.

bump~

Since I'm new to this message board....I'm a little slow to catch on to things like "bump". What does that mean?

Also, can you link us to that news article? Because I'm not seeing it. Thanks.

Originally posted by memap1965
Since I'm new to this message board....I'm a little slow to catch on to things like "bump". What does that mean?

Also, can you link us to that news article? Because I'm not seeing it. Thanks.

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/
scroll down to Breaking News..channel 4 source

Thank you, Marabeth! I just read it. That's just so sad.

Originally posted by memap1965
Thank you, Marabeth! I just read it. That's just so sad.

welcome memap!

"bump" just means bumping the person's post back up to the top of the forum so others will see it
In this case, news that Ben confessed

Ahhhhh.....I get it now!! Thank you, Starling. I'll learn....some day.

Originally posted by memap1965
Thank you, Marabeth! I just read it. That's just so sad.

This will help
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Originally posted by Hey Paula
I keep thinking about one of BF's writings where he stated that he "wanted to try something with Taylor", and am wondering if it could be Autoerotic Asphyxia, (strangulation used as sex enhancement aka "breath play" and "terminal sex") which might have caused her death?

That would explain why BF stated that he and Taylor had sex the night she disappeared, and might also account for the remark he made about Taylor's mother not liking or wanting to hear some of what Taylor did.

IMO

Looks like you were on track..

Originally posted by marabeth


Looks like you were on track..

Hi Marabeth!

It's kind of eerie though!


In Memory of Taylor

OMG, that is such a horrid thought, but I wouldn't put it past BF to hope that Taylor's body be never found and he could keep her skull. I believe #2. But #1 could fit also.

[quote]Originally posted by elroh6
[b]

Originally posted by Rowan Again
Mornin Ruger!!

The only thing I can come up with is an overdose, accidental or otherwise. And as I understand it, the tox results are not back yet!

Help!!! [/B/QUOTE]__________________________________________________ _____On Rita Cosby last night, Dr. Baden (sp) said that since there was no soft tissue left of here remains (only bones), tox would most likely yield no results. An overdose wouldn't be detectable, only chronic use over a long period of time. I'm hoping he doesn't know the details of the exact condition of her remains. It would be so frustrating to never know.

My Professor said that Forensic Anthropologists will spend time w/the bones, they can look at bone marrow, how the bones were broke, etc. Bones talk, they can tell how a person died, when, etc. They can possibly get DNA also. I'm assuming they still have her body or was it actually buried at the funeral? They will also be able to tell if she was dismembered by human or animals.

Originally posted by anima
didn't mean to cause anyone discomfort. just stuck in my head that this guy has a fascination with skulls. totally creepy.

moo

Your right and ew, now I can't sleep, ick.

If he wanted to do that though, you think he would have hid the body very, very well, so he could go back later.

I had not read about the trash bag either. I doubt she kept them in her trunk, which means:

1. It happened away from where her body was found

2. Pre-meditated, and he took the bag w/them.

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I keep thinking about one of BF's writings where he stated that he "wanted to try something with Taylor", and am wondering if it could be Autoerotic Asphyxia, (strangulation used as sex enhancement aka "breath play" and "terminal sex") which might have caused her death?

That would explain why BF stated that he and Taylor had sex the night she disappeared, and might also account for the remark he made about Taylor's mother not liking or wanting to hear some of what Taylor did.

IMO

Yes, I remember that entry. It was going over the list of girls he slept w/and they were like "T" and "E", etc. and he said there was something he still wanted to try w/"T", but he doubted she would ever let him or he would ever get the chance to, or something like that?

I don't know what that is your talking about, and I'm not sure I want too... I could look it up, but nah... what happened to just plain sex?

Wait a minute, plastice bag w/her remains scattered around? Okay, did animals remove them, or did he after he killed her and then scattered them for whatever sick reason he had?

Okay I looked it up... so basically, some sicko wants to know what it's like to have sex w/a corpse, but don't really want a dead person, so they strangle someone until they can't breath right or not at all, have sex and then "hope" they start breathing again? WHERE DO PPL COME UP W/THIS SICK CRAP! And the fact that is usually done alone, by a male/masturbation and hanging, hello, if your hanging youself, your gonna die, what part of that DO THEY NOT GET!

Sick, sick, sick

[TN_Profiler]

Seems Benny-boy is throwing out his last life raft. I knew this claim was coming the minute her body was found. He has spun so many stories than nothing he said is remotely true. Why start now? I will give him credit ... he is getting closer to the truth but still has a long way to go.

Let's recap, shall we? First he claims to know nothing. Then he provides allegations of an abduction that, not so subtly, pointed to involvment from his ex (Erin). NOW all of a sudden he REMEMBERS that it was during rough sex that a girl (who everyone on the East coast has been looking for) actually died in his presence. How convenant for him. I would wager that he even took the time to explain how it was all an accident.

Give me a f#@&*** break!!!! His story might have had a 1 in a million chance of being believeable if he didn't spend so much trouble trying to cover every footstep he took from the night she first turned up missing until his arrest. Now it is just another worthless lie that will be used against him during his capital murder trial.

My opinion at this point is that Fawley is being very predictable and I don't think any of us are surprised at these latest revelations.

Do I think Taylor's death was in any way an actual accident as Ben Fawley is proporting to have stated? No. I firmly believe he is guilty of first degree murder in every sense of the word. I'm confident that investigators in Taylor's case feel exactly the same way, despite Fawley's latest statements.

An individual like Ben Fawley who doles out such unbridled violence on a defenseless, trusting child like Taylor, and feels absolutely no remorse for her death at his own hands, will nonetheless predictably cower when his own well-being is in jeopardy. He now faces the very real possibly of his own looming death at the conclusion of the investigation and subsequent trial.

He showed no emotion while going through the ruse of placing missing posters for Taylor just days after her murder. As Taylor's lifeless and unprotected body lay in the woods alone at the mercy of the elements, Fawley remained unaffected back home in Richmond.

It would appear Mr. Fawley's prospects of his own morbid future at the hands of the justice system are having a substantially different effect on his demeanor.

Predictable.