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vedder · #1 10-11-2005, 05:25 PM

I do not believe for ONE MINUTE that she would have sex with him.We have no proof of this and all we have is His word.Are you kidding me???? Of course he was going to say this,he wants to cover his *** because of DNA.....Yes she may have been a bit of a "wildchid" and there may be a slight inuendo(VERY slight,I had many girls in my bedroom and on my bed when in College that I did not sleep with...does not mean anything)
She liked the fact that he was a photographer(ALL pretty young women like to see themselves in pictures) She must have thought he was "nice" but felt sorry for his loser ***....remember she did not know many people...

Taylor was a VERY beautiful girl who could have had any guy she wanted,do you really think she would have giving her self to this guy??? I AM NOT BUYING IT..

As far as this whole"jailbait" thing goes,when I was in school some of the guys would call the Freshman girls who were not 18 yet "jailbait",not really a big deal, the girls just thought It was funny...
How I wish she would have never used it as her screen name,It just looks bad...

I have never been more upset,angry and heartbroken over a case in my entire life,We should of NEVER had to hear the name Taylor Behl......WHY... why...

#2 10-11-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by vedder
I do not believe for ONE MINUTE that she would have sex with him.We have no proof of this and all we have is His word.Are you kidding me???? Of course he was going to say this,he wants to cover his *** because of DNA.....Yes she may have been a bit of a "wildchid" and there may be a slight inuendo(VERY slight,I had many girls in my bedroom and on my bed when in College that I did not sleep with...does not mean anything)
She liked the fact that he was a photographer(ALL pretty young women like to see themselves in pictures) She must have thought he was "nice" but felt sorry for his loser ***....remember she did not know many people...

Taylor was a VERY beautiful girl who could have had any guy she wanted,do you really think she would have giving her self to this guy??? I AM NOT BUYING IT..

As far as this whole"jailbait" thing goes,when I was in school some of the guys would call the Freshman girls who were not 18 yet "jailbait",not really a big deal, the girls just thought It was funny...
How I wish she would have never used it as her screen name,It just looks bad...

I have never been more upset,angry and heartbroken over a case in my entire life,We should of NEVER had to hear the name Taylor Behl......WHY... why...

No offense intended, but why would you think she wouldn't have sex with this guy? He obviously intrigued her somehow. She wasn't shy about her sexual experiences on her LJ. She even admitted to a homosexual experience. I don't believe you can look at a person and say, "She would NEVER sleep with HIM". Looks don't mean as much to some people as it does to others. Taylor saw something in BF that interested her. I'm just sorry she crossed his path.

jmo

BevAnn · #3 10-11-2005, 05:43 PM

I think by her own admission, she had had sexual relations with him at some point. Did she have consensual sex with him THAT night - I highly doubt it. But I do believe she had tested the waters with him before.

Bev Ann

#4 10-11-2005, 05:47 PM

I think at some point she did have sex w/him by consent. She liked Johnny Depp and he looked somewhat like him. She "liked" this guy at one point in time. She commented on one of her livejournal posts that she "climbed up into his bunk" or something like that, because she "was curious". She admits to not being a virgin in her online journal.

I think "his" story about having sex w/her that night, meant, he raped her. Unless she was really desperate or depressed, had just broken up w/her first "real boyfriend" as her mom put it, and decided to just "do it". Who knows.

I don't know why you'd think she "wouldn't". She could have been drunk, high, etc. Nobody knows, we probably never will.

As for the Jailbait thing, that is her online jounral nick, only backwards. She liked that name for some reason.

#5 10-11-2005, 05:58 PM

One friend of Taylor's say she did not do drugs or drink..She smoked cigarettes..

I have no idea if Taylor had ever had sex with Ben..I have only his sayso..She intimated curiosity by climbing into his bunk but I read no declaration by her that they had a sexual relationship.
perhaps I missed something..

The more I learn about Ben's relationships with women..the more creepy and unpredictable he sounds.

#6 10-11-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by marabeth
One friend of Taylor's say she did not do drugs or drink..She smoked cigarettes..

I have no idea if Taylor had ever had sex with Ben..I have only his sayso..She intimated curiosity by climbing into his bunk but I read no declaration by her that they had a sexual relationship.
perhaps I missed something..

The more I learn about Ben's relationships with women..the more creepy and unpredictable he sounds.

I think the "bunk" statement might have been about pictures taken of Taylor in his "bunk".

It could go both ways, but Ben had photos that had the words Taylor and bunk in the title of them.

It could go either way.

#7 10-11-2005, 06:03 PM

The LiveJournal exchange between the two where BF wrote she climbed into his bunk, to which Taylor replied she was curious and to which BF replied he still was, suggests they did have sex.

IMO

#8 10-11-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Hey Paula
The LiveJournal exchange between the two where BF wrote she climbed into his bunk, to which Taylor replied she was curious and to which BF replied he still was, suggests they did have sex.

IMO

I thought the same thing also, but it could also imply they did and he was curious for more? Who knows.

vedder · #9 10-11-2005, 06:13 PM

Just because she found him somewhat interesting does not mean she slept with the guy.How many 17 year olds sleep with 38 year old guys???? This is just my opinion....

If she did sleep with him she must have told SOMEONE..a girlfriend,friend etc...someone must know. I wish someone would come forword with some info...

#10 10-11-2005, 06:18 PM

I remember one of her girlfriends say that Taylor did have sex with him (she had an affair, a fling) and Taylor's mom did acknowledge this as well.

vedder · #11 10-11-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Hey Paula
The LiveJournal exchange between the two where BF wrote she climbed into his bunk, to which Taylor replied she was curious and to which BF replied he still was, suggests they did have sex.

IMO

Like I said,I have had many girls on my bed that I did not sleep with....thats what you do in College,bum around peoples rooms....That statment means nothing....

If he did get to sleep with her,why would he still be "curious"

Just because she was on his bed DOES NOT suggest that they had sex.Im sure she was on a few guys beds since she started school...does that mean she slept with them too???

vedder · #12 10-11-2005, 06:26 PM

Where did you hear this??? I have never heard the mother admit to this and I have been following this since day 1

vedder · #13 10-11-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by marabeth
One friend of Taylor's say she did not do drugs or drink..She smoked cigarettes..

I have no idea if Taylor had ever had sex with Ben..I have only his sayso..She intimated curiosity by climbing into his bunk but I read no declaration by her that they had a sexual relationship.
perhaps I missed something..

The more I learn about Ben's relationships with women..the more creepy and unpredictable he sounds.

You are right,all we have is HIS sayso...He is trying to cover his ***...He is lying about everthing else, why would he not lie about this???

#14 10-11-2005, 06:38 PM

Vedder, I believe it was on the GVS show....Taylor's mom was asked and she said Taylor had had sex with Fawley...she may have gotten that info from Taylor's girlfriend, who I saw on TV several times making that statement. I was actually pretty shocked that her mom would come out and say that but I seem to recall she said it was clear that they had been involved sexually. I distinctly remember this because it gave me the creeps.

vedder · #15 10-11-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by murdershewrote
Vedder, I believe it was on the GVS show....Taylor's mom was asked and she said Taylor had had sex with Fawley...she may have gotten that info from Taylor's girlfriend, who I saw on TV several times making that statement. I was actually pretty shocked that her mom would come out and say that but I seem to recall she said it was clear that they had been involved sexually. I distinctly remember this because it gave me the creeps.

I have never heard anyone confirm this....Even the media is now saying "by his own admission" Would they write that If her mother admitted this???

"Fawley is the 38-year-old amateur photographer many suspect of having had something to do with 17-year-old Taylor Behl's disappearance on September 5, 2005. He had, by his own admission, a sexual relationship with Taylor, and also saw her the night she vanished".......This was posted steves site today

I cant believe she would have slept with him...I just cant

#16 10-11-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by vedder
*snipped*

I cant believe she would have slept with him...I just cant

No one is forcing you to believe that she did.

vedder · #17 10-11-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

No one is forcing you to believe that she did.

That was rhetorical but thanks man....

vedder · #18 10-11-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by FocusFactor

vedder, we don't have to make victims pure and virginal to keep them held up to praise or prayed for or cared for.

Yes, I understand this....I just do not think their is enough proof and until I hear otherwise....I wont belive it...

#19 10-11-2005, 07:18 PM

I interpreted Fawley's "I'm still curious" to mean that he hadn't had sex with her and was still interested.

But it could go either way. I'm more inclined to think that perhaps they did have sex once or twice, but that she recognized him for the freak that he was and said no. And the "no", coming on the heels of Erin's dumping him just proved to be too much for his narcissistic ego.

#20 10-11-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by murdershewrote
Vedder, I believe it was on the GVS show....Taylor's mom was asked and she said Taylor had had sex with Fawley...she may have gotten that info from Taylor's girlfriend, who I saw on TV several times making that statement. I was actually pretty shocked that her mom would come out and say that but I seem to recall she said it was clear that they had been involved sexually. I distinctly remember this because it gave me the creeps.

I was of the opinion that they were very, very close and may have shared such information. Her mother may have been "okay" w/that. No idea why but... you will also notice, she seemed to be obsessed w/sex (imo) and had hinted towards having "experimented" w/other girls. Maybe ALL teenagers are the obsessed w/sex, who knows, I'm out the loop on that one, lol.

#21 10-11-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by vedder
Yes, I understand this....I just do not think their is enough proof and until I hear otherwise....I wont belive it...

I don't think there will be anyway at this point to "verify" that fact or not, unless some of her clothing (ie her underwear) remained at the scene.

vedder · #22 10-11-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by MouthThatRoars
vedder, her best friend did say she had sex with him. Taylor told her she knew it was wrong, but she was doing it anyway.

i'll try to find the link too.

She said it was "bad"...never metioned sex...she could have meant hanging out with someone who was so much older...(which would be bad for a 17 year old) I would love to see the link.....like I said ,I have been following since day and never heard anyone confirm this....

vedder · #23 10-11-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by MouthThatRoars

she said wrong. i don't think simply hanging out with someone could be considered "wrong" unless she was doing something she felt deep down inside she shouldn't have been doing.

"They weren't that close," said Keogh, now a college freshman in West Virginia. "She was like, 'I know it's bad,' but it wasn't anything at first."

#24 10-11-2005, 07:34 PM

I disagree. Taylor's father knew about Fawley from their first trip to VCU. He said that he cautioned her then about the inappropriateness of a 38 year old man hanging with a 17 year old girl.

I would think that would be enough to color any relationship with Fawley as "wrong" in her estimation. And may, unfortunately, have been an impetus to continuing the relationship. Most teenagers are rebellious even when they know things are wrong.

#25 10-11-2005, 07:38 PM

Has it ever occured to anyone that not everything Taylor wrote
may have been true...It has been my experience that sometimes teenagers stretch the truth for some weird reason.
They want their classmates and friends to think they are women of the world etc.
That they are desired by men ...
Why I really don't know but I have seen girsl and guys lie about their sexual experiences to somehow seem cool ....

Having said that I think it is not very illtelligent thinking but I know it is done many times.

vedder · #26 10-11-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by Rowan Again
I disagree. Taylor's father knew about Fawley from their first trip to VCU. He said that he cautioned her then about the inappropriateness of a 38 year old man hanging with a 17 year old girl.

I would think that would be enough to color any relationship with Fawley as "wrong" in her estimation. And may, unfortunately, have been an impetus to continuing the relationship. Most teenagers are rebellious even when they know things are wrong.

Thank You...A 17 year old hanging out with a 38 year old is "wrong" and "bad" and if she was still doing it after her father had warned her against it...That would make it "bad"....

#27 10-11-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by trich
Has it ever occured to anyone that not everything Taylor wrote
may have been true...It has been my experience that sometimes teenagers stretch the truth for some weird reason.
They want their classmates and friends to think they are women of the world etc.
That they are desired by men ...
Why I really don't know but I have seen girsl and guys lie about their sexual experiences to somehow seem cool ....

Having said that I think it is not very illtelligent thinking but I know it is done many times.

Another good point. I have a 20 year old daughter who posts on livejournal and other places. She and her friends have been doing so for many years (originally posted on Open Diary) .. I read surreptitiously. I can assure you that alot of the bravado expressed in some of their posts was just that .. bluff .. reputation .. ego.

In fact, it was the stuff they DIDN'T write about that worried me more.

vedder · #28 10-11-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by MouthThatRoars

it could go both ways, but i interpret the facts differently. i don't see how someone could hang out another person as much as they did and not be "close". their spending so much time together, taking the trips, going to the farm, taking the pictures for her sites, etc., to me is, in and of itself, all innocous, vanilla behavior.

telling her friend they "it was wrong" because they weren't even "that close" just wouldn't make sense to me unless something more nefarious was going on.

A minor hanging out with with a 38 year old man is "Innocous"????
Do you have a daughter?Would you approve of YOUR daughter hanging with someone who was almost 40?

vedder · #29 10-11-2005, 08:51 PM

The relationship was apparently one Behl had not discussed with her mother but had talked about with Keough.

Keogh, now a college freshman in West Virginia.

"They weren't that close," said Keogh, now a college freshman in West Virginia. "She was like, 'I know it's bad,' but it wasn't anything at first"

"I know its bad"-She 17,He 38

"Wasn't anything....- The hanging out together

Still no links proving otherwise...

vedder · #30 10-11-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by MouthThatRoars

i'm 22. i won't have a 17 y/o daughter for about 25 or 30 years, but still it's not really even about what i think. in context of how worldy this girl seemed (not necessarily saying that she was, but to me how she seemed), coupled with an obsessive fixation on sex, experimentation, and calling herself *JAILBAIT*, i hardly think someone like her (and i'm not casting aspersions on her, God rest her soul, but i'm just playing connect the dots) would consider simply hanging out and having pictures taken in the park "wrong" regardless of how old the guy was. according to you, they weren't doing anything other than taking tame, fully clothed, friendly pictures for her website, and hanging out at the farm. i think it would take something a little more juicy.. a little more sinister than that for her to consider herself as doing something "wrong".

she said they weren't that close. technically, they WERE close. that fact that they spent so much time together and enjoyed each other's company is indicitive of a close relationship. close, yes. close enough to be having clandestined, jailbait sex? no.. which is why she told her friend that they weren't that close to be doing what the were doing, and that "it" was wrong.

How do you know they spent so much time together?From what I understand It was only a handful of times.Thats why her friend said"they were not close"...She had nothing better to do than hang out with old man BF????
Go ask your Mom if when you were 17 she thinks it would have been ok to hang out with a 38 year old woman.
And again,the word was "bad" not "wrong"

vedder · #31 10-11-2005, 09:13 PM

"Even on the dateline story they said she was intiment with him that night before going back to her room. "

BECAUSE THAT WHAT BF SAID....that was to cover his ***

Show me a link where the mother admits to this and Ill shut the hell up

#32 10-11-2005, 09:19 PM

Imagine a beautiful 17yr old girl heading off to college. She's full of life yet still lacking the confidence and self possession that only comes with maturity. She has a natural curiosity, as most normal teens do, about sexuality and sophistication.

Enters a grown man whose appearance is that of a much younger man, whose lifestyle is that of a student. This man has a dark purpose and his intent is to draw out a particular vulnerability.

She didn't stand a chance. He had a Svengali-like attraction she could not resist. Whether or not she engaged in sex with him willingly might never be known absolutely. What is known is that she did indeed fall prey to him and did participate willingly in some ways.

It strikes me, when a woman meets a man like this, how often that strong urge and attraction draws the woman in. It is as if she understood that there was "something" about this man and needed to investigate it - but was far too young and inexperienced to recognize the very signals she was sensing. She misunderstood the danger signs.

How often, when watching a scary movie do we want to shout to the victim 'don't open that door - there is your death on the other side'?

my own opinions - such as they are

ETA..i think the bunk bed curiousity comment she made was a curiousity about the bed itself. It was a bizarre arrangement!

#33 10-11-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by vedder
Like I said,I have had many girls on my bed that I did not sleep with....thats what you do in College,bum around peoples rooms....That statment means nothing....

If he did get to sleep with her,why would he still be "curious"

Just because she was on his bed DOES NOT suggest that they had sex.Im sure she was on a few guys beds since she started school...does that mean she slept with them too???

Re your second pararaph: It was stated that there were things BF still wanted to do with Taylor. Hence he is "curious".

#34 10-11-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by anima
Imagine a beautiful 17yr old girl heading off to college. She's full of life yet still lacking the confidence and self possession that only comes with maturity. She has a natural curiosity, as most normal teens do, about sexuality and sophistication.

Enters a grown man whose appearance is that of a much younger man, whose lifestyle is that of a student. This man has a dark purpose and his intent is to draw out a particular vulnerability.

She didn't stand a chance. He had a Svengali-like attraction she could not resist. Whether or not she engaged in sex with him willingly might never be known absolutely. What is known is that she did indeed fall prey to him and did participate willingly in some ways.

It strikes me, when a woman meets a man like this, how often that strong urge and attraction draws the woman in. It is as if she understood that there was "something" about this man and needed to investigate it - but was far too young and inexperienced to recognize the very signals she was sensing. She misunderstood the danger signs.

How often, when watching a scary movie do we want to shout to the victim 'don't open that door - there is your death on the other side'?

my own opinions - such as they are

ETA..i think the bunk bed curiousity comment she made was a curiousity about the bed itself. It was a bizarre arrangement!

Uh, what is so curious about a bunk bed, it's a bunk bed. I would think most everyone has seen one at least once in their life.

#35 10-11-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by kalekona

As the mother of a 22 and 20 year old daughters simply hanging out with a 38 year old man is not a problem for me, if it was a platonic relationship.

Taylor did not use the screen name jailbait for nothing.

I agree on the nick, no matter what age you are you generally put some thought into a screen name, after all, it is "who you are" w/o saying " who you are" right. They always have signifigance, whether they are you last name w/first initial, something like/collect/pet's name, etc. they mean something.

vedder · #36 10-11-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by kalekona

As the mother of a 22 and 20 year old daughters simply hanging out with a 38 year old man is not a problem for me, if it was a platonic relationship.

Taylor did not use the screen name jailbait for nothing.

22 and 20 is not a 17 year old minor...Why would a normal, healthy 38 year old man want a"platonic relationship" with a 20 year old?What could they possible have in common?He would only be after one thing.You cannot really be this naive.

"jailbait" was what the guys in school called her because she was 17....read my first post

#37 10-11-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by kalekona

As the mother of a 22 and 20 year old daughters simply hanging out with a 38 year old man is not a problem for me, if it was a platonic relationship.

Taylor did not use the screen name jailbait for nothing.

Great post kalekona!

At 17/18 I was halfway through college, on my own, and travelling around the world with 19 people ranging in age from 20 to 38.(both male and female, of varying nationalities) We had no supervision, nor rules, common contact with anyone at home, or any real contact with anyone but each other and those in our small villages we lived in.

Was my friendship with those people horrible because they were 38, 32, etc..?

Platonic relationships and sexual relationships are two VERY different things. imo.

and to claim moral superiority as to what is "good parenting" and "wrong" is..imo.. wrong..

vedder · #38 10-11-2005, 09:37 PM

"ETA..i think the bunk bed curiousity comment she made was a curiousity about the bed itself. It was a bizarre arrangement!"

That is exactley what I thought.Nothing more nothing less...

#39 10-11-2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by PMcOuntry

Uh, what is so curious about a bunk bed, it's a bunk bed. I would think most everyone has seen one at least once in their life.

well..you have to look at the pictures of it. It was not your run of the mill bunk bed. He has a skull obsession.

#40 10-11-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by vedder
"ETA..i think the bunk bed curiousity comment she made was a curiousity about the bed itself. It was a bizarre arrangement!"

That is exactley what I thought.Nothing more nothing less...

One thing I thought when I first heard the bunk thing was that it could be a loft type bunk bed.. you know the kind with the desk underneath? *shrugs*

ETA: mouththatroars ^good post above

ETA again: also seems that there are actual pictures of the bunkbed, so ignore my above comment!