so check this out

http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

Thank you for your time to put that together for us. When you put them next to each other it appears to me with out a doubt the same building.

[NancynNC]

Thanks so much. It looks the same to me.

I'll tell you what concerns me.

Ben was busy taking down all sorts of photos and postings from numerous websites.

Why leave up the photos of the dump spot, but take down other photos totally unrelated to the crime?

I know some people want to think of him trying to taunt or play with the police.

I can't quite agree with that. He obviously removed other things for a particular reason. But not these? I guess it's possible he could get a kick out of this, but it doesn't make sense as to why he would remove the other photos and postings.

I think they need to cross all of the "t's" and dot all of the "i's" to ensure that the person who actually lived on the property at one time has an airtight alibi.

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
I'll tell you what concerns me.

Ben was busy taking down all sorts of photos and postings from numerous websites.

Why leave up the photos of the dump spot, but take down other photos totally unrelated to the crime?

I know some people want to think of him trying to taunt or play with the police.

I can't quite agree with that. He obviously removed other things for a particular reason. But not these? I guess it's possible he could get a kick out of this, but it doesn't make sense as to why he would remove the other photos and postings.

I think they need to cross all of the "t's" and dot all of the "i's" to ensure that the person who actually lived on the property at one time has an airtight alibi.

I wonder who lived there?
.................................................. .................................................. ....Sources close to the investigation tell 8news the property belongs to parents of a friend of Ben Fawley. Nearby residents could only tell us a single man has been living in the house for years, they were shocked to watch their quiet road become the center of the investigation into Taylor's disappearance.

[NancynNC]

On MSNBC tonight I noticed the white barked trees in the video of the search. The picture of Taylor with her Doo Wop shirt has those trees in the background. Seems like the same place.

socialogical, thanks for the link, that is so creepy
and

to BFD, it might be as simple as him just overlooking this pic?

Fawley could have simply removed references to Behl for the benefit of internet followers, but thought removing photos of the drop spot would appear suspicious to police.

Moron doesnt describe it.

Stuck on stupid is too kind.

What i dont get...is how he could be so absolutely dumb as to bury her in a place that people know he is affiliated with. Even if he didnt have pics on the web, he KNEW that erin knew, and if the story about a family friend owning it is true then its beyond dumb

ACRES of woods around there and he buries her right on the property??????

imo

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Moron doesnt describe it.

Stuck on stupid is too kind.

What i dont get...is how he could be so absolutely dumb as to bury her in a place that people know he is affiliated with. Even if he didnt have pics on the web, he KNEW that erin knew, and if the story about a family friend owning it is true then its beyond dumb

ACRES of woods around there and he buries her right on the property??????

imo

If murderers were as smart as they think they are .. solving crime would be impossible..
I just read the Crime Library articles..Huff does a good job.
I've been CTV board deprived lately and really am behind on my reading...This Fawley character gives me the creeps. He is bad news personified.

Originally posted by sociological
http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

Thanks

[TN_Profiler]

Focus Factor - I completely agree with your comment regarding Erin Crabell. If that was her families property, then the placement of the body is not random at all. With the countless places to put a body between Richmond and this place ...... there was obvious intent with the selection of burial.

The depths of his anger is now for all to see. How twisted could one person possibly be in order to do something like this? The only thing to hope for now is a thorough investigation and air tight prosecution so the punishment can fit the crime.

How tragic. How senseless. How sad.

If murderers were so smart they would not murder in the
first place.

[BevAnn]

Socio - GREAT work! I'm impressed! I did not ever see that particular picture in all BF's pics...but there were so many to wade through!


IF this is Erin's parent's place - then it does appear he did this as a revenge type deal. HOW twisted must you be??! I mean, seriously, this guy is off. And as far as that goes, it accomplished his goal - IF it is her parent's land, he directly put Erin and her family in the lime light, and murder investigation. Whether she was involved or not (which I think she had no idea) he first involved her by saying she had him jumped that night (how convenient was that story?!) and now the body is possibly on her land. Thank GOD this guy is locked up.

So, my question is this - how did Taylor's death come to be - he got angry for whatever?? and accidentally went haywire, killed her, and then thought...hey, I can bury her on Erin's parent land and reallllly get back at Erin? OR did he set out to kill her to mess with Erin from the getgo??

Bev Ann
for Taylor

Originally posted by BevAnn
Socio - GREAT work! I'm impressed! I did not ever see that particular picture in all BF's pics...but there were so many to wade through!


IF this is Erin's parent's place - then it does appear he did this as a revenge type deal. HOW twisted must you be??! I mean, seriously, this guy is off. And as far as that goes, it accomplished his goal - IF it is her parent's land, he directly put Erin and her family in the lime light, and murder investigation. Whether she was involved or not (which I think she had no idea) he first involved her by saying she had him jumped that night (how convenient was that story?!) and now the body is possibly on her land. Thank GOD this guy is locked up.

So, my question is this - how did Taylor's death come to be - he got angry for whatever?? and accidentally went haywire, killed her, and then thought...hey, I can bury her on Erin's parent land and reallllly get back at Erin? OR did he set out to kill her to mess with Erin from the getgo??

Bev Ann
for Taylor

I think what you're saying is very likely, but you need to keep in mind that more people than just Ben Fawley were friends with Taylor and Erin at the same time.

More people than just Ben Fawley knew the location of Erin's place in Diggs.

I'm not one to give everyone else a free pass and just say "Ben did it". They need to ensure that EVERYONE is accounted for and all people checked out thoroughly.

Ben's background is not the only sketchy one in this case.

[BevAnn]

BFD - you're absolutely correct. I do have to wonder - let's just go with that it's BF....how did her car come to be where it was found?? Calculated parking by BF?? Or is there truly some one else involved??

Bev Ann

Originally posted by BevAnn
BFD - you're absolutely correct. I do have to wonder - let's just go with that it's BF....how did her car come to be where it was found?? Calculated parking by BF?? Or is there truly some one else involved??

Bev Ann

Ben used to live right near the area the car was found.

Crime Library's Map

If you look on the map, you can see everything is in close proximity.

But, I will also say (without giving names or addresses) that other people associated with this group of people live right in the area the car was found as well.

Thank Focus...wow, those pictures

this article confirms the same~
http://www.nbc4.com/news/5065485/detail.html
The search turned up a Web page entitled, "Deviant Art," which contains pictures from photographer Ben Fawley, News4 reported. On the Web page are photos of a farmhouse that is approximately the same age and architectural style as the building on the property where the remains were found. One picture contains the caption, "I saw this on May 15 with someone special."...........
Sources told News4 that the remains were found near property owned by one of Fawley's ex-girlfriend's parents.

ea- you are missing something. This house is not exactly where the body was found- it seems to be at the entrance to the property where the body was found. The arial shot is from the news report and if you see the entire shot, there are many official cars and an ambulance around the house, as well as police barricades for stopping any unauthorized persons onto the property. That said- the picture in the arial news shot shows the EXACT SAME HOUSE that bf had a picture of on his website. This, to me, proves that he is familiar with the property and has some affinity to it. That's all. I don't know what you are thinking.... look at the pictures- they both have chimneys, a trailor... even the brush is the same- and the electric wire. I know these abandoned country houses tend to get monotonous, but c'mon!

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
I'll tell you what concerns me.

Ben was busy taking down all sorts of photos and postings from numerous websites.

Why leave up the photos of the dump spot, but take down other photos totally unrelated to the crime?

I know some people want to think of him trying to taunt or play with the police.

I can't quite agree with that. He obviously removed other things for a particular reason. But not these? I guess it's possible he could get a kick out of this, but it doesn't make sense as to why he would remove the other photos and postings.

I think they need to cross all of the "t's" and dot all of the "i's" to ensure that the person who actually lived on the property at one time has an airtight alibi.

They sure do BFD. And if anyone has read his journals they would see that he took the photos down of the females due to the attention they were receiving. He also had to move his website due to traffic it seems. (Bandwith issues?)

I think he did not remove these because he is not involved. I'd like to know when that body was buried there. I'd also like to know if police are investigating EC at all. If Ben thinks she was behind the attack the night he was abducted perhaps she is responsible for far more than that. It's no secret Ben tired to cause a few problems for her over the pictures he took of her. And it's also no secret he was with her in May taking photos along the route where the body was found. And Taylor visited in April. Hmmmmm. And how does the skateboarder figure into all of this? What was the "highly illegal" thing Taylor was going to do that night? If this skateboarder is telling the truth he also claimed that Ben visited him at work on that Thursday (the 8th?) to see if he knew where Taylor was and who the other skatebaorder was.

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I don't believe this is the same house as the one that is the crime scene. If you go to the sticky "thread for links" and look at page 4, the NBC4 link, you will see a picture of the house. Unless there is more than one house on tihs property, this is not the same house. One has a chimney, one does not.

I saw the picture where Ben refers to the place as "Home Sweet Home", and I think he was being sarcastic.

Someone give me your opinion please. They are different houses are they not.

As I said, one has a chimney, and looks like a trailer "attached" to it. The other does not. Am I missing something?

is this the photo you are talking about?
http://tinypic.com/eafxhi.jpg

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
I'll tell you what concerns me.

Ben was busy taking down all sorts of photos and postings from numerous websites.

Why leave up the photos of the dump spot, but take down other photos totally unrelated to the crime?

I know some people want to think of him trying to taunt or play with the police.

I can't quite agree with that. He obviously removed other things for a particular reason. But not these? I guess it's possible he could get a kick out of this, but it doesn't make sense as to why he would remove the other photos and postings.

I think they need to cross all of the "t's" and dot all of the "i's" to ensure that the person who actually lived on the property at one time has an airtight alibi.

If you do any research on most murders, they tend to have similiar MO's in many cases, and leaving those pictures up and the police taking 1 month to put 2 & 2 together would be the way he got his "kicks". He was taunting them.

Originally posted by TwoCentsWorth


They sure do BFD. And if anyone has read his journals they would see that he took the photos down of the females due to the attention they were receiving. He also had to move his website due to traffic it seems. (Bandwith issues?)

I think he did not remove these because he is not involved. I'd like to know when that body was buried there. I'd also like to know if police are investigating EC at all. If Ben thinks she was behind the attack the night he was abducted perhaps she is responsible for far more than that. It's no secret Ben tired to cause a few problems for her over the pictures he took of her. And it's also no secret he was with her in May taking photos along the route where the body was found. And Taylor visited in April. Hmmmmm. And how does the skateboarder figure into all of this? What was the "highly illegal" thing Taylor was going to do that night? If this skateboarder is telling the truth he also claimed that Ben visited him at work on that Thursday (the 8th?) to see if he knew where Taylor was and who the other skatebaorder was.

You can't ignore his criminal past, including assaults and breaking into a former GF's house w/hammer and mace, he has violent tendencies, it appears that some of her jewlrey, maybe clothes were in his apt. I would like to know more about the guy she went skateboarding w/though. Did he not report he walked her back to her dorm or something?

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I don't believe this is the same house as the one that is the crime scene. If you go to the sticky "thread for links" and look at page 4, the NBC4 link, you will see a picture of the house. Unless there is more than one house on tihs property, this is not the same house. One has a chimney, one does not.

I saw the picture where Ben refers to the place as "Home Sweet Home", and I think he was being sarcastic.

Someone give me your opinion please. They are different houses are they not.

As I said, one has a chimney, and looks like a trailer "attached" to it. The other does not. Am I missing something?

That has to be the same house... does that site say when he posted that picture? There is of course, if I play devil's advocate, the remote possibility he was framed, and if they knew that picture was taken and where the place was... hypothetically speaking of course. I think forensic evidence will prove otherwise. For a streetwise girl, I have no doubt she fought back and will perhaps have some evidence on her body to tie in to the murderer.

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

http://tinypic.com/eafxhi.jpg

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

Look again, there is a chimmney, if you go back to the first post on this thread, where someone was kind enough to post the photo's side by side.

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

Here's the link you want:

http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

You can even see the police tape.

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

I think you're looking at the aerial photo that catches mostly the roof of a barn that is on the property at this abandoned farm. I believe the little shack with the travel trailer from skulz photo bucket is on the same property; but not visible in that particular photo.

My guess is all 3 buildings are on the same property. ie, abandoned farm probabably. Hence, why we see 3 different buildings in 2 different pictures. The entire propety would be a crime scene.

Originally posted by PMcOuntry


Here's the link you want:

http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

You can even see the police tape.

I think Dunlurkin meant this photo (which is in the top of forum link-sticky)
http://tinypic.com/eafxhi.jpg
Are all these buildings on this same property? One looks like a barn. They all appear weathered the same. At any rate, this ariel photo was in the article along with info that her body was found.

IF this is not what Dunlurkin meant...I give up
~S

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Moron doesnt describe it.

Stuck on stupid is too kind.

What i dont get...is how he could be so absolutely dumb as to bury her in a place that people know he is affiliated with. Even if he didnt have pics on the web, he KNEW that erin knew, and if the story about a family friend owning it is true then its beyond dumb

ACRES of woods around there and he buries her right on the property??????

imo

Whoooa, horsie! What happened to IUPG?

I'm not ready to buy this theory, yet. Yeh, the guy's a weirdo, but there are other possibilities.

One thing that bothers me about this guy is that he changed his appearance after the crime was committed. That's a point that Ressler and many other profilers say is one aspect of the true perp's behavior.

Actually, we don't even know if only one perp is involved, yet.

Another thing I am wondering about is if this property is a teen hang-out, for drinking, partying, etc. Every town usually has one.
And how about that skate-boarder?

A few days is not too long to wait for forensics, I'm waiting for more information.

JMO

Originally posted by PMcOuntry


You can't ignore his criminal past, including assaults and breaking into a former GF's house w/hammer and mace, he has violent tendencies, it appears that some of her jewlrey, maybe clothes were in his apt. I would like to know more about the guy she went skateboarding w/though. Did he not report he walked her back to her dorm or something?

Taylor's jewelry and clothing? Her mother has already stated none of the items found in his apartment were Taylor's. Those jewelry items are common among goths.

Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart
Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo

OMG!! I thought the SAME thing!! when his pic first pulled up, I had to do a double take!! I thought it WAS Johnny Depp!!

Bev Ann

[NancynNC]

Sorry I do not have a link but Taylor's dad said when he met Ben in Feb. he had green hair. I think it is nothing new for him to change his appearance. IMO

Catherine Crier now...they're discussing possibly "multiple indictments." The clip of Taylor's mom's statement was shown, in which she spoke of the perp(s) in plural terms.

IMO

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart
Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo

Okey-dokey, thanks. Still think it strange that he now looks more "normal", no green hair, etc.

IMO

Originally posted by Challenger2
Okey-dokey, thanks. Still think it strange that he now looks more "normal", no green hair, etc.

IMO

Luckily no orange either, gag.
I'm guessing, he knew her fondness of Depp, and that is why I think he went with this particular look. I don't know how to word what I am thinking here --- If he's guilty, a thumb the nose thing. If he by some bizarre twist did not kill Taylor, and she was missing, and he was worried, a symbolism / tribute sort of thing? Dunno if that makes sense -- but I think the dark hair choice was to increase his resemblance to Depp, moreso than to look normal.

Nancy - yes her Dad mentioned the hair from his meeting Ben, I remember that too. He was saying --- he seemed ok, did not raise Dad's hackles, polite, invited him in, etc, just had weird hair, and looked much younger than his true age. Dad did not know as he dropped Taylor off, that Ben was 38, he guessed he was in his mid to late 20s.
jmo

Originally posted by Veracity


OK 2cents - I'll play. I had my momentary lapse of sanity and I am most grateful the BFD and TN_P and Focus brought me back to the REAL WORLD.

I am not fan of EC BUT why would EC dump a body on her own family's property when it would make much more sense to dump it near Ben's. Nope doesn't add up at all to me.

You mention Ben's claims that EC was behind his abduction(s) remember there were two, supposedly. IF you stand back for a long view you see a man who has a genuine hatred for EC and at every turn he tries to insert himself in her life by saying she did it to me and that to me online (forever forging a bond) and off line by the police reports that keep drawing her back to his world. I see not a shred of evidence on any of her sites or any police reports or investigative reporting that would even open the door to her trying to insert herself in his world.

Here is one very significant link - BEN SAID IN ONE OF HIS RANTS ABOUT THE PORN STAR EC THAT HER FAMILY DID NOT HAVE A CLUE WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE WAS DOING.

Well what better way for Ben to really drill it home than to dump a body on the property where he himself took photos of Erin? Her family will have to learn Ben's "TRUTH"- that he believes the family knows nothing of their sweet little daughter flying all over the country to model for weird bondage/nude photos and then publishes many on the internet. Ben even tried to LOUDSPEAKER that Erin worked as a PORN STAR over the internet! And he used her real name and apparently one of her 'stage name'- over and over and over! He was apparently really trying to OUT her on the net.

As far as the skateboarder and the highly illegal comment Taylor offered - just too little to know yet. Why wuld she make that statement to a skateboarder. I could guess she had planned to skateboard somewhere illegal. That would make sense. We just don't know.

But Ben showing up and asking questions of Kevin on the 8th makes perfect sense to me. Logically he was trying to get as much info as possible on the skateboarders. They helped set Taylor's timeline and Ben needed as much information as he could get to try and construct an alibi, see what Taylor told him, and create for the police new suspects.

How did I do?

Veracity,
I think you're right on, I posted earlier that I thought 2 or more were involved in a possible gang rape thing, but maybe your right about him making this into an obessive thing a solo act. It's all just so sad...

Originally posted by Challenger2
Catherine Crier now...they're discussing possibly "multiple indictments." The clip of Taylor's mom's statement was shown, in which she spoke of the perp(s) in plural terms.

IMO

Who else are they looking at then? The guy who's house the dogs led them too? The ex boyfriend she had dinner with? One of the skateboarders?