Predictions, anyone?

Would anyone like to join me in predicting what Homolka will be doing while she's released to the community?

I think that she will hook up with another guy who is a sociopath and they will again harm someone.

That chick is an imminent threat to the safety and security of the community!

Originally posted by Huntress1
Would anyone like to join me in predicting what Homolka will be doing while she's released to the community?

I think that she will hook up with another guy who is a sociopath and they will again harm someone.

That chick is an imminent threat to the safety and security of the community!

It is difficult to predict with any certainty what K will do.

However, it is of concern that she formed a relationship with another dangerous man while she was in prison.
She may be smart, but she does not exhibit good judgement. And since she doesn't exhibit good judgement in this particular area it may be that she will again gravitate to this sort of person.

K is the mistress of her destiny. Every choice she makes will impact the success of her reintegration to society.

IMO there is little hope for that because I think she is a sociopath. Of course, I would prefer to be wrong because to be right would mean someone could be badly hurt or killed by K, an outcome which would give me no pleasure. JMO

[goatgirl]

Hi all,

imo- I dont think Karla will kill again ...on her own anyways.

I agree if she hooks up with the wrong person she may.....

But I honestly hope we dont hear about any other crimes from her


GoatGirl

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


It is difficult to predict with any certainty what K will do.

However, it is of concern that she formed a relationship with another dangerous man while she was in prison.
She may be smart, but she does not exhibit good judgement. And since she doesn't exhibit good judgement in this particular area it may be that she will again gravitate to this sort of person.

K is the mistress of her destiny. Every choice she makes will impact the success of her reintegration to society.

IMO there is little hope for that because I think she is a sociopath. Of course, I would prefer to be wrong because to be right would mean someone could be badly hurt or killed by K, an outcome which would give me no pleasure. JMO

I agree!! She need serious help that I don't think she will receive. That is why I am concerned where she is living and I we all have a right to know!!!

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I hope KARLA gets a contract to star and produce in her own TALK SHOW. I think the ratings will soar. With all these weisels on here chatting with over a thousand posts each i think she will beat the queen of talk herself.

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[cami]

Originally posted by Huntress1
Would anyone like to join me in predicting what Homolka will be doing while she's released to the community?

I think that she will hook up with another guy who is a sociopath and they will again harm someone.

That chick is an imminent threat to the safety and security of the community!

I don't think Karla will actively seek out another sexual sadist and reoffend.

I think she is too smart for that. She knows she dodged a bullet. She also knows she wouldn't make it to another courtroom, not here in Canada anyway.

There was something lethal about the Paul/Karla combination that I don't think will be repeated.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by cami


I don't think Karla will actively seek out another sexual sadist and reoffend.

I think she is too smart for that. She knows she dodged a bullet. She also knows she wouldn't make it to another courtroom, not here in Canada anyway.

There was something lethal about the Paul/Karla combination that I don't think will be repeated.

You DO realize that while she was in prison she hooked up with a guy who killed his girlfriend when she tried to leave him? There are many reports that liken him to Paul.

IMO, Karla would be bored with a normal, rational man. She will seek out a thrill seeker because that is what she finds exciting. I don't believe she will commit another crime on her own, but she will probably be a willing partner. Karla has shown that she can be a part of a crime and yet be smart enough to know how to protect herself. She will turn in her partner to save herself and cry victim. You can be sure it will be very dramatic.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady
IMO, Karla would be bored with a normal, rational man. She will seek out a thrill seeker because that is what she finds exciting. I don't believe she will commit another crime on her own, but she will probably be a willing partner. Karla has shown that she can be a part of a crime and yet be smart enough to know how to protect herself. She will turn in her partner to save herself and cry victim. You can be sure it will be very dramatic.

I don't see how she'd ever get away with it again. I don't believe she will reoffend. I agree with someone who said she's too smart for that. I agree, she is.

MOO

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I don't see how she'd ever get away with it again. I don't believe she will reoffend. I agree with someone who said she's too smart for that. I agree, she is.

MOO

I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

How deluded.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

I believe Paul was the mastermind and Karla the follower. I don't think it was her idea to rape and murder people. Since Paul was a rapist before Karla, it is highly likely he would have escalated to murder eventually and that Karla as his wife, went along with it all, enjoying some of what she did.

A rapist not a murderer make. Paul wanted virgins and Karla got them for him. She wanted Paul and did what it took to keep him.
If she was really a normal person, she would have kicked him to the curb. IMO She has her own psychiatric problem.

Paul may have been the leader she was a willing accomplice. The evidence of spousal abuse did not come into play until the end of the relationship when the end was coming. Don't forget that she brought home girls for Paul without being asked by Paul to do it.

Paul has met a woman in Florida when he went away with the guys just prior to the wedding and told Karla that he wanted to postpone their wedding because he thought he might love the other woman. This IMO was a pivitol moment for Karla to keep her man regardless.

Paul was the in charge person. Karla had many opprotunities to let the girls go, or not even gettng them at all. She made her choice, therefore she is a guilty as Paul in all these murderd/rapes that heppened before/after their marriage. Not withstanding his rapes as the Scarbougral (?) rapist 12 years is appauliing.

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I believe Paul was the mastermind and Karla the follower. I don't think it was her idea to rape and murder people. Since Paul was a rapist before Karla, it is highly likely he would have escalated to murder eventually and that Karla as his wife, went along with it all, enjoying some of what she did.

Yes, PB was a rapist before and during his relationship with K. BUT he didn't change his MO of stalking and raping women of a certain age range, except for when he was with K. You can chart the change with 14 year old Tammy's rape and death.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Yes, PB was a rapist before and during his relationship with K. BUT he didn't change his MO of stalking and raping women of a certain age range, except for when he was with K. You can chart the change with 14 year old Tammy's rape and death.

Tammy was just a week shy of her 16th birthday at her death. Two of Bernardo's Scarborogh victims were 15 years old.

You make no sense. At all.

Date Victim MO
5.4.87 age 21 stalk/night/bus

5.14.87 age 19 "

7. 27,87 no age
attempt "
_________________________________
OCT. 17, 1987 K meets P
__________________________________
12.16.87 age 15 "

12.23.88 age 17 "

4.18.88 age 17 at night

5.30.88 age 18 "

10.4.88 attempt

11.16.88 age 18 "

12.27.88 attempt

5.20.89 attempt

8.15.89 age 22 "

11.21.89 age 15 bus

12.22.89 age 19

5.26.90 age 19 bus

________________________________
12.23.90 TAMMY
________________________________


4.6.91 age 14 MO changes/not
at night not at bus

6.7.91 Jane Doe 15 K brings her/rape

6.14.91 Leslie M 14 P brings her/rape

6.16.91 Leslie is murdered

8.10.91 Jane Doe K brings her/rape

4.16.92 Kristen **. 15 K assists

4.19.92 Kristen is murdered

If you look at the ages of P's victims prior to Tammy they are older-average of slightly over 18. He stalks his victims at bus stops at night, rapes them and leaves. I haven't seen pictures of the two youngest victims-it may be possible that they looked older.

After Tammy, the victims were ALL young. He did not stalk them at bus stops at night. The MO changed and it changed dramatically.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
If you look at the ages of P's victims prior to Tammy they are older-average of slightly over 18. He stalks his victims at bus stops at night, rapes them and leaves. I haven't seen pictures of the two youngest victims-it may be possible that they looked older.

After Tammy, the victims were ALL young. He did not stalk them at bus stops at night. The MO changed and it changed dramatically.

He raped whoever got off the bus at a dark and usually desolate hour. Sometimes they were 15, sometimes 18 etc. etc. He stopped his MO of bus stops at night when the composite was released and he was hauled in for questioning and DNA testing. What is the matter with you? Why do you have absoutely no ability to be objective and logical?

I really do believe that Karla was just as in control of the situation as Paul was. Further, rapist doesn't mean murderer. Don't get me wrong, I think rape is worse than murder in some ways (personal opinion); but I don't think there is any way that Paul would have killed without Karla egging him on. With Leslie, it was an accident as well. She freaked out sooner than they wanted her to, restrained her, and she was dead. I think Karla and Paul were responsible here.

Every time there was relationship tension, Karla tried pleasing Paul by enticing girls who would be victims. I think in several ways Karla is the one initiating the wrongdoing for selfish reasons, and Paul is the one following through, albeit eagerly, with the most horrific part of the crime.

Karla is smart. Everyone says this. Yet when there is a composite of the local rapist that looks just like her beau, a young man who has become interested in her sister, so interested that he suggests having sex with her, Karla, who is so smart doesn't connect the two things.

Unlikely, considering the events which followed.

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Date Victim MO
5.4.87 age 21 stalk/night/bus

5.14.87 age 19 "

7. 27,87 no age
attempt "
_________________________________
OCT. 17, 1987 K meets P
__________________________________
12.16.87 age 15 "

12.23.88 age 17 "

4.18.88 age 17 at night

5.30.88 age 18 "

10.4.88 attempt

11.16.88 age 18 "

12.27.88 attempt

5.20.89 attempt

8.15.89 age 22 "

11.21.89 age 15 bus

12.22.89 age 19

5.26.90 age 19 bus

________________________________
12.23.90 TAMMY
________________________________


4.6.91 age 14 MO changes/not
at night not at bus

6.7.91 Jane Doe 15 K brings her/rape

6.14.91 Leslie M 14 P brings her/rape

6.16.91 Leslie is murdered

8.10.91 Jane Doe K brings her/rape

4.16.92 Kristen **. 15 K assists

4.19.92 Kristen is murdered

Anthea, Excellant post!!!

Isn't there one victim missing? I remember reading something about a rape that took place at a party in the bathroom?

Maybe I'm off base, let me know.

Regards
~Loki

Wow, I just finished reading "Deadly Innocence"! Just when I think I can not become more outraged by the sick of sick in our world it seems I'm shown another piece of pure evil...This couple should NEVER see the light of day again and yet i'm more enraged that she's already out amoungst us all and our children....Yikes I'm digging a hole and hiding....

for all the victims you poor babies !!

Originally posted by Loki





Anthea, Excellant post!!!

Isn't there one victim missing? I remember reading something about a rape that took place at a party in the bathroom?

Maybe I'm off base, let me know.

Regards
~Loki

There may be more than one victim missing. There is speculation that PB raped a young woman in Hawaii on his honeymoon with K. I am interested in the circumstances around that rape, because it occurred after their first murder. Was K involved? Did PB act alone? Was it at night?

I believe that K is the actual murderer, but there is no evidence to support this.

I think she murdered the girls in a jealous rage. JMO

I remember in one of the books I read about the case (I can't remember which one) it was talked about that one night while Paul and Karla had guests, Van Smirnis and his wife JoAnn brought a single girl friend to the Bernardo house and after Karla went upstairs because she was too drunk to see strait,Paul took the girl (I think her name was Julie?) in the bathroom and they had consentual sex.

I might be wrong......anyone else have any info on that?

Originally posted by annarocket
I remember in one of the books I read about the case (I can't remember which one) it was talked about that one night while Paul and Karla had guests, Van Smirnis and his wife JoAnn brought a single girl friend to the Bernardo house and after Karla went upstairs because she was too drunk to see strait,Paul took the girl (I think her name was Julie?) in the bathroom and they had consentual sex.

I might be wrong......anyone else have any info on that?

Thanks, that was the one I was reffering to, was it consentual? Good question, gotta research that one.

[cami]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


You DO realize that while she was in prison she hooked up with a guy who killed his girlfriend when she tried to leave him? There are many reports that liken him to Paul.

Yes, I do realize all that. I am entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that Karla will not re offend. Liken him to Paul? Then he should be a DO and will never get out. If this guy is in prison for murder than he should be in there for at least 15 before he can even apply for early parole? Karla's going to wait around so they can hook up and go after young girls?

If Karla is a sex offender, a pedophile, then her compulsion, her impulse will be what drives her to reoffend, nothing more.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

That's very dangerous thinking.

He was anally raping and beating up his girlfriends long before he even met Karla. He was peeping in windows from the time he was a young boy. He stalked women and video taped them at Tims and other restaurants. He followed them home, surveilled them planning to break in and rape/murder them. He cut up a woman he met in Florida or threatened to cut her up anyway. Each of his rapes was more violent than the last and it was only a matter of time before he murdered. Paul wanted virgins, there's no way he stalked just older woman to rape. They were young women coming home on the last bus. He was molesting Tammy H's young girlfriends. When he moved from Scarborough to St. Catherines, he raped a young woman from the boat club there. He's a sexual sadist with no conscience, should he ever be released from prison, he'll go right back to doing the same thing.

He's far far more dangerous than Karla.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Date Victim MO
5.4.87 age 21 stalk/night/bus

5.14.87 age 19 "

7. 27,87 no age
attempt "
_________________________________
OCT. 17, 1987 K meets P
__________________________________
12.16.87 age 15 "

12.23.88 age 17 "

4.18.88 age 17 at night

5.30.88 age 18 "

10.4.88 attempt

11.16.88 age 18 "

12.27.88 attempt

5.20.89 attempt

8.15.89 age 22 "

11.21.89 age 15 bus

12.22.89 age 19

5.26.90 age 19 bus

________________________________
12.23.90 TAMMY
________________________________


4.6.91 age 14 MO changes/not
at night not at bus

6.7.91 Jane Doe 15 K brings her/rape

6.14.91 Leslie M 14 P brings her/rape

6.16.91 Leslie is murdered

8.10.91 Jane Doe K brings her/rape

4.16.92 Kristen **. 15 K assists

4.19.92 Kristen is murdered

Doesn't look to me as if the rape victims were the "older women" you mentioned in your first post. Karla's brings Jane Doe over twice. Still not proof that Karla is more dangerous or that she talked Paul into murdering anyone.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
If you look at the ages of P's victims prior to Tammy they are older-average of slightly over 18. He stalks his victims at bus stops at night, rapes them and leaves.

Only he didn't leave, he beat some of them severely, tying one young woman to a fence. He also tortured them mentally. Each one was more violent than the last. It was only a matter of time before he killed.

You appear to be misinformed on Paul B. Maybe that's the reason you believe she is more dangerous. Paul B is a sexual sadist.

Here's a link to a good article on sexual sadists

I have no doubt that PB is a sexual sadist. And I know he beat several of the women he raped. My point is the killing began after Tammy. Is that not true?

Cami, I don't believe I ever wrote K was more dangerous than PB.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I have no doubt that PB is a sexual sadist. And I know he beat several of the women he raped. My point is the killing began after Tammy. Is that not true?

The Scarborogh rapes ended and the deliberate killing/elimination of witnesses began after he was questioned by police and DNA samples were taken. Is that not equally true, and quite a bit more SENSIBLE?

Originally posted by cami


That's very dangerous thinking.

I find your wording extreme. My thinking is not "dangerous" on any level.

PB was a serial rapist who also beat some of his victims.

None were murdered until after TAMMY.

We know the composite was posted prior to the rape and death of Tammy. And we know that a variety of people remarked that it looked like Paul.

We know that Paul began pestering K about having sex with Tammy around this time.

We also know that the rapes put all the local young women on high alert.

Yet, very smart K never makes the connection?

:lol:

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
PB was a serial rapist who also beat some of his victims.

None were murdered until after TAMMY.

We know the composite was posted prior to the rape and death of Tammy. And we know that a variety of people remarked that it looked like Paul.

We know that Paul began pestering K about having sex with Tammy around this time.

We also know that the rapes put all the local young women on high alert.

Yet, very smart K never makes the connection?

:lol:

Scarborough and St. Catharines are both near opposite ends of a geographic region dubbed the 'Golden Horseshoe' that hugs the west end of Lake Ontario. This area is home to 8 million people, half the entire popluation of the province in a tiny fraction of the land. The two cities are hours apart from each other. He was hardly a small town 'local rapist'.

Karla was a woman who was as smitten and overwhelmed as she was smart. She would be inclined to be easily reassured about any suspicions, if she had them at all. That would be normal for anyone I think. When no action was ever taken by police after his samples were taken, what was anybody to think then?

[singlesix]

I'm surprised she hasn't fallen in front of a bus yet.



singlesix

I have to say I think she is just as crazy as he is. I also agree the killing didn't really start happening until she was more in the picture. I think she got so outrages he wanted other girls, but at the same time wanted to please him, that she let him have them but then killed them to appease her anger toward them.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by cami


That's very dangerous thinking.

He was anally raping and beating up his girlfriends long before he even met Karla. He was peeping in windows from the time he was a young boy. He stalked women and video taped them at Tims and other restaurants. He followed them home, surveilled them planning to break in and rape/murder them. He cut up a woman he met in Florida or threatened to cut her up anyway. Each of his rapes was more violent than the last and it was only a matter of time before he murdered. Paul wanted virgins, there's no way he stalked just older woman to rape. They were young women coming home on the last bus. He was molesting Tammy H's young girlfriends. When he moved from Scarborough to St. Catherines, he raped a young woman from the boat club there. He's a sexual sadist with no conscience, should he ever be released from prison, he'll go right back to doing the same thing.

He's far far more dangerous than Karla.

I agree. I don't know why it's such a stretch to believe this sick individual, with all his violent tendencies, wouldn't eventually turn to murder. It happens often.
jmo

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I agree. I don't know why it's such a stretch to believe this sick individual, with all his violent tendencies, wouldn't eventually turn to murder. It happens often.
jmo

CSN,

I never said PB wasn't capable of murder. It is in no way a stretch to believe this. He was/is a very sick individual with a long history of violence. It is quite possible that he would have started murdering his victims for several logical reasons.

But, it is equally possible and logical to believe that K murdered at least one of the victims herself.