ready to hear from some pedophiles? VOMIT

THIS is what we have to protect our kids from?????

http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/1...52/155380.html

I wish they would all just shrivel up and die. They are OUT THERE.

you wish that someone who has been violently assaulted and responds to that assault by essentially reliving it in his mind as a sexual fantasy over and over should shrivel up and die? when should this happen, after he was raped as a 10 year old, or when he becomes an adult?

Originally posted by cowbeller1


Hey buddy, if you are trying to say Duncan was a victim and can't help himself you are in the wrong place.

Amen to that, cousing Cowbeller!

that sort of thing always bothers me. i don't particularly care about the morons who stupidly walk into blatant traps. they shouldn't be soliciting children in the first place. the trickery and manipulation have always bothered me. it's one of the main reasons i don't trust cops. too much coercion and manipulation.

Originally posted by cowbeller1


Hey buddy, if you are trying to say Duncan was a victim and can't help himself you are in the wrong place.

oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?

Originally posted by toy soldier
that sort of thing always bothers me. i don't particularly care about the morons who stupidly walk into blatant traps. they shouldn't be soliciting children in the first place. the trickery and manipulation have always bothered me. it's one of the main reasons i don't trust cops. too much coercion and manipulation.

Cops are for the most part very carefull to avoid coercion and manipulation. That is what makes all their hard work defending the good people of the world fall apart in the courts. I am under the belief that only the bad people need worry.

Originally posted by toy soldier


oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?

Toy Soldier, obviously something was lost in the translation. No one in their right mind wants to see an abused child die. It is the sicko adults that use thier troubled childhood as an excuse to justify their pedophile behaviors that need to be removed from society.

Originally posted by Mosey

Cops are for the most part very carefull to avoid coercion and manipulation. That is what makes all their hard work defending the good people of the world fall apart in the courts. I am under the belief that only the bad people need worry.

try living in the bad part of a major city. you might think differently. i've had some rather bad run-ins with cops, and some good ones. but given the way corruption of cops is covered up, i'd rather not take my chances.

Originally posted by Mosey

Toy Soldier, obviously something was lost in the translation. No one in their right mind wants to see an abused child die. It is the sicko adults that use thier troubled childhood as an excuse to justify their pedophile behaviors that need to be removed from society.

nobody said anything about justification, and certainly nothing about any acts against a child. i said:

you wish that someone who has been violently assaulted and responds to that assault by essentially reliving it in his mind as a sexual fantasy over and over should shrivel up and die? when should this happen, after he was raped as a 10 year old, or when he becomes an adult?

i think it is an equally sick person who would think that a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault.

Originally posted by toy soldier


nobody said anything about justification, and certainly nothing about any acts against a child. i said:

i think it is an equally sick person who would think that a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault.

OK I will play it your way. Who said anything about a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault?

Originally posted by toy soldier


try living in the bad part of a major city. you might think differently. i've had some rather bad run-ins with cops, and some good ones. but given the way corruption of cops is covered up, i'd rather not take my chances.

Hey! I have a really good idea! You could always move!

Originally posted by Mosey

Hey! I have a really good idea! You could always move!

or i could just avoid cops, and keep them away from my 13 year old cousin

Originally posted by toy soldier


or i could just avoid cops, and keep them away from my 13 year old cousin

Is (s)he a problem child?

Originally posted by Mosey

Is (s)he a problem child?

no he isn't. i just don't trust people in high positions of power because they tend to abuse it, especially cops. one of the foster kids i used to stay with as raped by a cop and because of the blue wall of silence, he got to slide.

Originally posted by Mosey

OK I will play it your way. Who said anything about a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault?

the original poster of this thread, with whom i assume you agree with. the man from the link stated that he was fantasizing about his own assault, either being the abuser or the victim. a rather violent assault at that. and then said he deserved to die.

Originally posted by toy soldier


no he isn't. i just don't trust people in high positions of power because they tend to abuse it, especially cops. one of the foster kids i used to stay with as raped by a cop and because of the blue wall of silence, he got to slide.

Internal affairs can take down that wall like a backhoe. Did you report it to the Capt. and make sure it got to IA?

Originally posted by cowbeller1


I don't know what you misunderstood about the link.
I do know if someone continues the molestation they should be jailed and I don't have a care for them.
Children that are molested are not in that catagory. If they are confused and fantasize about molesting and rape they need help. If they act on it they need imprisonment.

and i would agree with you, except clearly abused children are part of that category if they fantasize about their own assaults, at least from your opinion. that's just sick to think that if i have a nightmare or a flashback, or happen to think about it and my body reacts that i deserve to die for it.

Originally posted by toy soldier


oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?

I think Cowbeller ( is that from SNL & Chris Walken BTW) thought you were referring to an active pedophile or Duncan.

FYI, if anyone is interested, the link takes you to a guy whose profile states that he was abused as a young boy & soon thereafter began having fantasies & attractions toward other boys. He goes on to say he that he thinks sex between children & adults is wrong He's been in therapy his whole life, is active in victims organizations, etc. I found him the be quite articulate & it was interesting to hear from his perspective. He even speks of the guilt that adult survivors of sex abuse feel for experiencing sexual arousal or pleasure during the act. So sad to think of. Kids should never have to be confused about that. I'm having trouble getting ready to have the "talk w/ my soon-to-be 10 year old daughter. DISCLAIMER:Of course, if they way he presents himself is a guise, I would not find him as palletable. JMO

Originally posted by toy soldier


the original poster of this thread, with whom i assume you agree with. the man from the link stated that he was fantasizing about his own assault, either being the abuser or the victim. a rather violent assault at that. and then said he deserved to die.

Again lost in translation. I am sure cowbeller, in saying he needs to die, was referring to the teacher that molested the poster when he was a child, and not the poster himself, as an adult.

Toy Soldier, probably the same opinion you hold toward the officer who allegedly raped your 13 year old cousin.

Originally posted by Mosey
Internal affairs can take down that wall like a backhoe. Did you report it to the Capt. and make sure it got to IA?

nothing i could do. i was a kid. i could barelt interact with people without shutting down.

Originally posted by toy soldier


nothing i could do. i was a kid. i could barelt interact with people without shutting down.

Ouch! Scars. Is the officer still on the force?

Originally posted by Mosey
Toy Soldier, probably the same opinion you hold toward the officer who allegedly raped your 13 year old cousin.

actually, no. i don't wish death on anyone. not the cop, my family who puts us all through hell, not anyone. i don't think i have the right to take someone's life without an immediate reason for it. and i don't include myself in that because i really don't care what happens to me anymore.

Originally posted by toy soldier


actually, no. i don't wish death on anyone. not the cop, my family who puts us all through hell, not anyone. i don't think i have the right to take someone's life without an immediate reason for it. and i don't include myself in that because i really don't care what happens to me anymore.

You need to care. Someones life in the future will depend on you.

Originally posted by toy soldier


actually, no. i don't wish death on anyone. not the cop, my family who puts us all through hell, not anyone. i don't think i have the right to take someone's life without an immediate reason for it. and i don't include myself in that because i really don't care what happens to me anymore.

What a sad post! This just goes to show how far out the ripples from the circle go. Millions of people damaged across the globe. What a vicious cycle. My heart goes out to you in your pain, toysoldier.

[tiny paw-prints]

Sex offender returns to community

Fargo, North Dakota

Timothy W. Vance

http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/newsevents.asp?id=720

Originally posted by cowbeller1


From your post I feel your are very upset about the crime committed against the child. Not so much as the posts.
Seek help at a funded mental health clinic for the child. It should cost little to nothing but it will take about a month before you get an appointment to get the kid in.
It will be an enormous relief to the kid to be able to talk about it to someone that will not judge them.
I believe you when you say there is a blue wal of silence and you cannot get justice for the child.
As much as this hurts you, think of how the child feels about it. They may have had feeling for the person and now are left confused.
Many victims do not get to see the perpetrator convicted, but getting therapy will allow them to vent and see they are a good person despite such a personal crime.
It seems the subject of sexual abuse keeps coming up tonight. I did not want to get into personal issues but for you I will. Because you are living it and hurt by it.
My sister was raped by a family member at 3. My other sister was molested by the same person around 11. My other sister refuses to admit any abuse but was the favorite of the family member and always taken on long rides and excursions by them. She is bipolar and I think it has to do with her denial of being molested.
Thankfully I was spared due to my sisters telling on the person. I say I was spared but it just means I was not molested in the way they were. I was embarrassed and humiliated by this person and in legal terms molested I suppose.
Like the child you posted about nothing was done to this man.
So I understand. I am proud of your anger. I do not wish the child harm and hope you will try to get help for them.
Lots of love to you and the kid. Best wishes for you both.

now i feel like an ***. sorry. i tend to block out most stuff and control my emotions, but i've been trying to connect more, so it's a process. sorry for what happened to your sisters. i was around 3 when i think my father started in on me. i generally don't bring it up because of the hassle and some previous bad experiences, and i just really don't like talking about it. pretty much, my family did to their kids what was done to them. we never reported it. i ran, but i wouldn't tell dcfs who i was, and no one reported me missing.

with that comes a ton of baggage, hence my reactions. like i said, i try to keep that under control and just not feel anything, but i'm trying to be more "normal", so i lash out from time to time. again, sorry.

Originally posted by lateach


What a sad post! This just goes to show how far out the ripples from the circle go. Millions of people damaged across the globe. What a vicious cycle. My heart goes out to you in your pain, toysoldier.

thanks

toy soldier
if you need/want to talk privately with a surviver pm me

Cousin Toy Soldier, You are an awsome person. Lash out all you want on this board. (but keep it within the rules so you dont get banned) I, for one, got your back.

Originally posted by toy soldier


now i feel like an ***. sorry. i tend to block out most stuff and control my emotions, but i've been trying to connect more, so it's a process. sorry for what happened to your sisters. i was around 3 when i think my father started in on me. i generally don't bring it up because of the hassle and some previous bad experiences, and i just really don't like talking about it. pretty much, my family did to their kids what was done to them. we never reported it. i ran, but i wouldn't tell dcfs who i was, and no one reported me missing.

with that comes a ton of baggage, hence my reactions. like i said, i try to keep that under control and just not feel anything, but i'm trying to be more "normal", so i lash out from time to time. again, sorry.

Hugs toysoldier!! You seem to have done remarkably well considering, and the fact you talk about it at all gives insight into your strength!

Someone once asked me why they should consider therapy..my answer was because the word "cope" should not be the definition for dealing with life. This was just a troubled person, lots of baggage, she didnt tell me the details. But she did go see someone and has resolved most her issues. She now defines her life as happy.

So whatever you do, realize that things can change, and the baggage dealt with, everyone chooses different ways, i find therapists the best, because there is no vested interest except to help you figure out how best to help yourself. But the fact that you even post here, shows me how much you have overcome.

You should be proud of yourself!! sometimes its ok to lash out...we are all humans..

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


Hugs toysoldier!! You seem to have done remarkably well considering, and the fact you talk about it at all gives insight into your strength!

Someone once asked me why they should consider therapy..my answer was because the word "cope" should not be the definition for dealing with life. This was just a troubled person, lots of baggage, she didnt tell me the details. But she did go see someone and has resolved most her issues. She now defines her life as happy.

So whatever you do, realize that things can change, and the baggage dealt with, everyone chooses different ways, i find therapists the best, because there is no vested interest except to help you figure out how best to help yourself. But the fact that you even post here, shows me how much you have overcome.

You should be proud of yourself!! sometimes its ok to lash out...we are all humans..

I forgot to add....that therefore, use the anger, get some help to deal with the "not caring what happens to you any more", and dont let them win. Your nightmares/flashbacks and responses are perfectly normal, and there is only one person to blame for them, your molester. You know that intellectually...now you need to believe it in your heart.

You did survive your terrible situation...smiles..you have more than enough strength to get through this hurdle as well, if you let yourself.. In fact, you could do wonders for other children and adults dealing with your situation, when you are ready and if you choose to!! Very few talk publicly, and even fewer can work with it. You are a survivor...proven that already!

A double hug to you.

hugs to the scared child in you

from the scared child in me

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by cowbeller1
I gotta say posters on this board are the nicest people.

I agree!

< a dozen of these for all of us ..

Originally posted by cowbeller1


No reason to be sorry. I don't like talking about it but I knew you were in a way like me.
It doesn't go away but it does get easier. You are just a child of fate. As I and my sisters were. Move on when you can, cry or vent when you need to.
If you want to know how screwed up this world is I will tell you, the person that harmed my sisters and humiliated me is dead now. And I cried when he died because I loved him. He was my father.
I moved to a place of forgiveness. That is something people say yet hard to understand. I had to in order to live my life.
My mother I have not spoken to in over 12 yrs. She knew, even I told her, yet she did nothing. It is odd how ones mind copes. I never want to see or talk to her. And she was not the culprit.

Isn't that the truth? My father was the alcoholic, but I hold more resentment towards my mom than I do my dad. I just felt she was the only one that could save us, but she didn't. After many years in Alanon, I realize that they both did the best they could with what they knew at the time.

For toy soldier and all victims of various diseases and addictions.

Originally posted by cowbeller1
For those with troubles. Here's perspective.

I’m 15 for a moment
Caught in between 10 and 20
And I’m just dreaming
Counting the ways to where you are

I’m 22 for a moment
She feels better than ever
And we’re on fire
Making our way back from Mars

15... there’s still time for you
Time to buy and time to lose
15... there’s never a wish better than this
When you only got 100 years to live...

I’m 33 for a moment
Still the man but you see I’m a they
A kid on the way babe
A family on my mind

I’m 45 for a moment
The sea is high
And I’m heading into a crisis
Chasing the years of my life

15... there’s still time for you
Time to buy and time to lose yourself
Within a morning star
15... I’m alright with you
15... there’s never a wish better than this
When you only got 100 years to live...

Halftime goes by
Suddenly you’re wise
Another blink of an eye
67 is gone
The sun is getting high
We’re moving on...

I’m 99 for a moment
Dying for just another moment
And I’m just dreaming
Counting the ways to where you are

15... there's still time for you
22... I feel her too
33... you're on your way
Every Day's a new Day

15... there’s still time for you
Time to buy and time to choose
Hey 15... there’s never a wish better than this
When you only got 100 years to live...

How funny you posted this. I let my 14...soon to be 15 year-old daughter listen to this last night. I went out to have a cigarette, and I came in to her crying. (She wouldn't tell me why) I thought she would just roll her eyes and tell me my music was stupid. She asked me to burn it for her. There's so much truth in that song.

I want to clarify my original post.


I was angry last night when I happened upon that site because it just confirmed my feras that birds of a feather stick together. I mean, you get a group of junkies sitting around (and no offense meant because I WAS one in another life) and what are they likely to talk abvout, plan and do?

I know the perpetrators are sick, but I think it is a very bad idea for them to meet and congregate on the internet and talk about their fantasies on the net.

If they need counseling, go to a group or a counselor face to face. There are free ones if they cannot afford to pay.

The poster on that board was abused, and now he fantasizes about Dylan when he hears about this case? That got me angry.

And what I meant to say was, END THE CYCLE. Abused become abusers who create more abused and they create more abusers. I am a victim of incest and a mother of two girls which is why I may be so vociferous and angry about molesting/raping children. The only way I got over my pain was to forgive my abuser (my own brother, because if I did not forgive him my entire family would have been ripped apart).

But anyone who could take a child and torture him/her before killing them does NOT deserve forgiveness and does NOT deserve to be here with the rest of us. There are survivors of sexual abuse who do NOT BECOME ABUSERS. It is possible.

Toy Soldier, the part of that post that got me angry was THIS:

When I read about this case and the girl being found I found I was captivated by the missing boy Dylan. I looked at his picture and aside from being sad about it I was also having some thoughts flood into my mind about all the things that mightve happend to him. My imagination ran wild.

I am truly sorry to offend anyone by wishing these people would shrivel up and die, I just want them to GO AWAY.

Toy Soldier, that includes YOUR abuser.

For your bravery, Toy Soldier.

Originally posted by Mosey
Cousin Toy Soldier, You are an awsome person. Lash out all you want on this board. (but keep it within the rules so you dont get banned) I, for one, got your back.

Make that two of us Toy Soldier....

Originally posted by cowbeller1
I used to visit a sight where people on line would pretend to be underaged kids and let pediphiles attempt to meet up with them. Then the police would show up instead. It was adults always, pretending to be kids.
Reading the pms the perverts sent made me sick.
But it is a good program. They do not entrap the perverts, they let the jerks do it themselves and then they catch them.

pervertedjustice.com or something like that is one of the sites. They got national TV attn. here while back.

Originally posted by Lurker Loo
I want to clarify my original post.


I was angry last night when I happened upon that site because it just confirmed my feras that birds of a feather stick together. I mean, you get a group of junkies sitting around (and no offense meant because I WAS one in another life) and what are they likely to talk abvout, plan and do?

I know the perpetrators are sick, but I think it is a very bad idea for them to meet and congregate on the internet and talk about their fantasies on the net.

If they need counseling, go to a group or a counselor face to face. There are free ones if they cannot afford to pay.

The poster on that board was abused, and now he fantasizes about Dylan when he hears about this case? That got me angry.

And what I meant to say was, END THE CYCLE. Abused become abusers who create more abused and they create more abusers. I am a victim of incest and a mother of two girls which is why I may be so vociferous and angry about molesting/raping children. The only way I got over my pain was to forgive my abuser (my own brother, because if I did not forgive him my entire family would have been ripped apart).

But anyone who could take a child and torture him/her before killing them does NOT deserve forgiveness and does NOT deserve to be here with the rest of us. There are survivors of sexual abuse who do NOT BECOME ABUSERS. It is possible.

Toy Soldier, the part of that post that got me angry was THIS:



I am truly sorry to offend anyone by wishing these people would shrivel up and die, I just want them to GO AWAY.

Toy Soldier, that includes YOUR abuser.

For your bravery, Toy Soldier.

I understand what you were conveying. No offense to me though. This is an interesting thread. I do think I agree that to get together on the net and post my dark fantasies that are hurtful and that I am enjoying them, is not the place to be or what I should be doing. To control one's thoughts is prime to freedom. If I can't control them, or I have encouraged them till it is hard to control them for whatever reason, I then could find myself in danger of acting on those fantasies. I speak only of fantasies that hurt others or myself. To act on those thoughts is crossing the line and I will not feel sorry for anyone who does so as that too is their choice. If one is having trouble, they should get help and do everything to control those thoughts and change them to positive ones. To do otherwise is foolish, IMO.

I must say that I am appalled that so many have been abused. No fault to you but many roses and best wishes to all.

-IMO-
Peace