Deadly: the Bernardo/Homolka movie

Do you plan on seeing it?

[northernrflxn]

If it is distributed in Ontario I will probably see it, unless it is reviewed so terribly that I think it will serve no purpose other than sensationalism.

It's a shame that there wasn't more response to this thread, I was looking forward to seeing some replies from the raging anti-Karla types. I'm not terribly surprised though - those that claim to have so much sympathy for the victims wouldn't want to admit to planning to see this movie.

The public's sympathy for the victims in this case - as in many other similar cases - is often less than pure.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Blades


To be quite honest I didn't know they were making a movie. I'll see it only if Karla doesn't make any money off of it . Do you have any links or details regarding this film. Thanks

There is no financial connection to anybody who comitted these crimes. Oh, and don't forget Paul.

http://www.deadlythemovie.com/

Originally posted by Blades


Thanks for the link. I didn't mention Paul because he has payed for his crimes and money won't help him. Karla got a great deal and is out.

I don't think Paul or Karla will ever pay enough for these crimes. I wouldn't mind seeing the movie!!

[goatgirl]

I had mixed emotions about this movie coming out myself....

on one hand - I didn't want it out cuz its such a unthinkable crime so close to home - everyone here wished this never happened and the poor victims families have to live with all this attention given to the "celebrity killers"....its sad

but on the other hand-

I want Karla to always be reminded of her crimes ..no matter where she lives, or where she goes in life, she should not have the right to have the white picket fence life at all ....

when this movie comes out hopefully it will be with much media hype, then people that don't know who she is & what she did will now know ...

maybe it will benefit some young girl from making the wrong friend one day ?!

imo--goatgirl

Originally posted by northernrflxn
If it is distributed in Ontario I will probably see it, unless it is reviewed so terribly that I think it will serve no purpose other than sensationalism.

From what I've read, I assumed the movie was a documentation, but after checking out the "Cast & Crew" page, I'm a little disturbed.

It has actresses listed as "Victim #1" and "Victim #2" The page doesn't even list a victim #3, much less the names of Tammy, Kristen or Leslie.

Also, I've read two of the books, and can't quite place the name "Czehowicz".......

http://www.deadlythemovie.com/castncrew.htm

Is this movie going to be released in the U.K? I think I would probably go and see the movie although I'm not sure...watched the trailer.
I've read a fair bit about this case various websites and books.

[cantstandnuts]

I'll see it because it serves as a reminder to everyone exactly what this woman and her husband did and ensures she is kept in the public eye for as long as possible. I know she would like to be able to disappear from view, but she's dangerous, imo, and the only way to ensure she keeps on the up and up is to keep her front and center where she's being watched.

I don't get the comments from the poster Keys who says some people's outrage is less than pure. If you read this, keys, please elaborate. What does anyone have to gain by expressing anger that isn't sincere?

[goatgirl]

Hi all

here is a link on the "August release" in Montreal of the movie deadly...

if you click on the right, of this link you can access video footage of the movie & Karla....

Goatgirl




http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/A...ub=topstories#

I may watch it, simply to (like cantstandnuts said) keep her in the limelight. Posters should be put out everywhere of her.
IMO, she's nothing more than a serial rapist (along WITH Paul), who preys on children. Pedophiles? Perhaps. Vile, rapist, murderers? Definitely!
So, post her mug everywhere and warn people of her presence. The world needs to be safe from these degenerate, sick pigs.

What I hate about these movies though, it's usually never like the 'real' life actions that took place.

Also, everything that we've all learned about Paul/Karla are only what THEY TOLD US. I'd bet my life on the fact that there are more evil things that they've done, but just never copped to.

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
I'll see it because it serves as a reminder to everyone exactly what this woman and her husband did and ensures she is kept in the public eye for as long as possible. I know she would like to be able to disappear from view, but she's dangerous, imo, and the only way to ensure she keeps on the up and up is to keep her front and center where she's being watched.

I don't get the comments from the poster Keys who says some people's outrage is less than pure. If you read this, keys, please elaborate. What does anyone have to gain by expressing anger that isn't sincere?

What I find so remarkable about this is that Mary Kay Latourneau spent 7 years in prison for having sex with a kid who claimed he was the aggressor. He was her one and only "victim." She had two children with him. He's still alive and they recently wed.

The majority of posters here hate her and basically would like to see her in jail for the rest of her life. I was one of the few posters, who while I did not condone her actions, felt that she and Villi should be free to get on with their lives.

It is bizarre that there isn't a significant level of outrage here for a woman who not only actively participated in rapes, murders, pedophilia, but she documented these horrors! And she spent a mere 12 years in prison for them.

MOO

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


What I find so remarkable about this is that Mary Kay Latourneau spent 7 years in prison for having sex with a kid who claimed he was the aggressor. He was her one and only "victim." She had two children with him. He's still alive and they recently wed.

The majority of posters here hate her and basically would like to see her in jail for the rest of her life. I was one of the few posters, who while I did not condone her actions, felt that she and Villi should be free to get on with their lives.

It is bizarre that there isn't a significant level of outrage here for a woman who not only actively participated in rapes, murders, pedophilia, but she documented these horrors! And she spent a mere 12 years in prison for them.

MOO

Well, from what I understand, in Canada you can kill 1 or 10 and you will only get 25 years, that's the max. And, they don't even have the death penalty either. How'z about that?

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Well, from what I understand, in Canada you can kill 1 or 10 and you will only get 25 years, that's the max. And, they don't even have the death penalty either. How'z about that?

That's unbelievable.

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


What I find so remarkable about this is that Mary Kay Latourneau spent 7 years in prison for having sex with a kid who claimed he was the aggressor. He was her one and only "victim." She had two children with him. He's still alive and they recently wed.

The majority of posters here hate her and basically would like to see her in jail for the rest of her life. I was one of the few posters, who while I did not condone her actions, felt that she and Villi should be free to get on with their lives.

It is bizarre that there isn't a significant level of outrage here for a woman who not only actively participated in rapes, murders, pedophilia, but she documented these horrors! And she spent a mere 12 years in prison for them.

MOO

You bring up a good point here and I'll take it one step further. While it was legally wrong for MKL to have sex with a minor, she was called every name in the book, the public outrage was enormous and people demanded that she be in prison for life for her actions. Karla Homoka, on the other hand, is a pedophile, child molester, murderer, butcherer, preditor and extremely dangerous. Why in the world isn't she required to register as a dangerous sex offender in Canada? Does Canada have any requirements for people like Paul and Karla to register as sex offenders?

Will the Paul/Karla movie be shown in USA? I pray that Paul and Karla will NOT be allowed to make any money off this movie and their gruesome crimes.

I honestly believe it's only a matter of time before Karla reoffends whether it be with more molestations and/or murders.

[hockeymomof5]

I see they changed the name of the movie to "Karla".

It's really surprising that it is making it's debut at the Montreal World Film Festival.

The movie focuses on HER sessions with the psychiatrist while in prison. It appears that the re-enactment of the crimes in the movie are taken from Karla's perspective of the crimes.

Great! A "Karla as the victim" movie - BS!

Hopefully, the advertiser's associated with the festival will speak up and put an end to the showing of this film. Air Canada, a sponsor of the festival, is already negotiating a deal to further themselves from the film.

[northernrflxn]

From today's Toronto Star:

In the end, the viewer is left to ponder their sympathy for Karla, to ask how much she too is a victim of Paul," reads the plot synopsis. It further describes Homolka, who is believed to be living in Montreal, as "conflicted by her conscience but still unable to escape" Bernardo's grasp.

The producers, who are still seeking a distributor for the film, based their movie on court transcripts.

Prepon and the actor portraying Bernardo, Misha Collins, where expected to attend the Montreal premiere but details had yet to be confirmed, said Sellers.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...5735&t=TS_Home

Originally posted by hockeymomof5
I see they changed the name of the movie to "Karla".

It's really surprising that it is making it's debut at the Montreal World Film Festival.

The movie focuses on HER sessions with the psychiatrist while in prison. It appears that the re-enactment of the crimes in the movie are taken from Karla's perspective of the crimes.

Great! A "Karla as the victim" movie - BS!

Hopefully, the advertiser's associated with the festival will speak up and put an end to the showing of this film. Air Canada, a sponsor of the festival, is already negotiating a deal to further themselves from the film.

The families of the victims will have to endure this new torture of seeing their childrens' murderer treated reverently in a film. While the film may be about Karla, naming it after HER is a disgrace.
This EVIL woman, no doubt, will love this.

The title shows a total disregard for the families of the victims.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano



The families of the victims will have to endure this new torture of seeing their childrens' murderer treated reverently in a film. While the film may be about Karla, naming it after HER is a disgrace.
This EVIL woman, no doubt, will love this.

The title shows a total disregard for the families of the victims.

I hardly think she'll be treated "reverently". The movie is based on court transcripts, which included independent evidence and the testimony of many people, of whom Karla was only one. A reminder that she went to prison for 12 years as a result of her dealings with the justice system. Depending on how true this movie is to the story, you may however find that the facts get in the way of your image of this particular offender.

I've watched the trailer, and my initial impression is that there will be plenty for anyone who holds any kind of an opinion on this case to ponder.

Originally posted by goatgirl
Hi all

here is a link on the "August release" in Montreal of the movie deadly...

if you click on the right, of this link you can access video footage of the movie & Karla....

Goatgirl




http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/A...ub=topstories#

One good thing about the movie from the link:

CTV News Toronto's Paul Bliss said one reason why Montrealers didn't strongly object to Homolka settling in their province was because they didn't know much about her case.

"Perhaps with some publicity around this film, they'll find out," he said.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by chilione


One good thing about the movie from the link:

CTV News Toronto's Paul Bliss said one reason why Montrealers didn't strongly object to Homolka settling in their province was because they didn't know much about her case.

"Perhaps with some publicity around this film, they'll find out," he said.

I don't live in Canada, but how in the world can the Montrealers not "know much about her case?" What? They all were living with their heads in the sand? That's like saying the people in Arizona did not know much about the Manson murders! OMG!

JMO and MOO!!

Originally posted by chilione


One good thing about the movie from the link:

CTV News Toronto's Paul Bliss said one reason why Montrealers didn't strongly object to Homolka settling in their province was because they didn't know much about her case.

"Perhaps with some publicity around this film, they'll find out," he said.

And of course, there is the little issue of recidivism.

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I hardly think she'll be treated "reverently". The movie is based on court transcripts, which included independent evidence and the testimony of many people, of whom Karla was only one. A reminder that she went to prison for 12 years as a result of her dealings with the justice system. Depending on how true this movie is to the story, you may however find that the facts get in the way of your image of this particular offender.

I've watched the trailer, and my initial impression is that there will be plenty for anyone who holds any kind of an opinion on this case to ponder.

She's just getting another deal. She gets to tell her story. She gets a new beginning. It's all about Karla. and always has been about Karla. And it will always be about Karla.

Her victims got no deals. They got no pity, no mercy, no chance to grow up.

MOO

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I hardly think she'll be treated "reverently". The movie is based on court transcripts, which included independent evidence and the testimony of many people, of whom Karla was only one. A reminder that she went to prison for 12 years as a result of her dealings with the justice system. Depending on how true this movie is to the story, you may however find that the facts get in the way of your image of this particular offender.

I've watched the trailer, and my initial impression is that there will be plenty for anyone who holds any kind of an opinion on this case to ponder.

She's just getting another deal. She gets to tell her story. She gets a new beginning. It's all about Karla. And always has been about Karla. And it will always be about Karla.

Her victims got no deals. There is no second act for her victims. They got nothing, no mercy, no chance to grow up.

MOO

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by chilione


One good thing about the movie from the link:

CTV News Toronto's Paul Bliss said one reason why Montrealers didn't strongly object to Homolka settling in their province was because they didn't know much about her case.

"Perhaps with some publicity around this film, they'll find out," he said.

hey chilione

I totally agree, I think after this movie comes out Montreal will certainly know Karla....

even better the whole world will know Karla !

Goatgirl !

[2L8 4A D8]

Does anybody know why they changed the title to "Karla"? If they wanted to change it, they should have changed it to "Karla and Paul". She wasn't in this alone.

Not that I really care because I will not pay to see this movie. Heck, I wouldn't see it for free. Just curious is all.

JMO and MOO!!

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


I don't live in Canada, but how in the world can the Montrealers not "know much about her case?" What? They all were living with their heads in the sand? That's like saying the people in Arizona did not know much about the Manson murders! OMG!

JMO and MOO!!

Canadian media is just different 2L8. You just don't typically see the same kind of of endless, feverish, across the board focus on regional or "niche" news. In this sense, I think the Canadian media does a better job at keeping things in a more realistic perspective. However, don't get me wrong, I watch CNN a lot. There's lots to appreciate about US style coverage, its just different.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


She's just getting another deal. She gets to tell her story. She gets a new beginning. It's all about Karla. And always has been about Karla. And it will always be about Karla.

Her victims got no deals. There is no second act for her victims. They got nothing, no mercy, no chance to grow up.

MOO

Karla Homolka is in no way related to this production. It is an American film - that none of us has seen, based on publicly available court transcripts. Really, WHAT are you talking about?

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8
Does anybody know why they changed the title to "Karla"? If they wanted to change it, they should have changed it to "Karla and Paul". She wasn't in this alone.

Not that I really care because I will not pay to see this movie. Heck, I wouldn't see it for free. Just curious is all.

JMO and MOO!!

From the Toronto Star today:

Danson (the victims' lawyer) said he was also surprised by the renaming of the film from Deadly to Karla.

"My sense is the name Karla Homolka has now been reported widely in the United States," said Danson, who appeared on numerous American news programs following Homolka's July 4 release.

"The change of the name from Deadly to Karla (was done) to tap into that new awareness. (The case) has received some pretty wide publicity and I suspect they're taking advantage of that."


But, the producers say......



Sellers described that argument as "Toronto-centric" and defended the change.

"Anywhere else in the world, Deadly is a title which connotes a kind of more violent, more thriller kind of film and we've always been uncomfortable with that," he said.

"Karla... that name doesn't mean anything. It's only in Toronto and Ontario that the name carries with it such an emotional punch."


Like this case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...acodalogin=yes

[2L8 4A D8]

Thank you Northernrflxn for your information and the links. I appreciate it!

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Karla Homolka is in no way related to this production. It is an American film - that none of us has seen, based on publicly available court transcripts. Really, WHAT are you talking about?

I think the producers have decided based on the publically available video transcripts of her proferring her sister as some sort of virgin offerring to her beau, for videotaped rape,sodomy and murder, that Karla was/is the star of the show, ergo, the title.

MOO

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


I don't live in Canada, but how in the world can the Montrealers not "know much about her case?" What? They all were living with their heads in the sand? That's like saying the people in Arizona did not know much about the Manson murders! OMG!

JMO and MOO!!

I don't understand it either. I know that Canada had a total media ban during the trial, but how could they not know much about her now after getting released. They should send her picture and warning to every home in Montreal.

Originally posted by chilione


I don't understand it either. I know that Canada had a total media ban during the trial, but how could they not know much about her now after getting released. They should send her picture and warning to every home in Montreal.

Warnings aren't in the best interests of Karla's kind of criminal. LOL The sad situation is this: There are certain ex-convicts who can, and should be rehabed because the recidivism rate for these folks is low. It has beeen proven that with a good support network and a job they become model citizens.

Who are these people? Well they are not repeat pedophiles or serial murderers.

Unfortunately, the statistics show that the recidivism rate for pedophilia is very high.

I can't write about serial murders because I don't think there are established recidivism rates because their crimes are so heinous, society, with good reason, doesn't give them a second chance.

I will never watch this movie. This case was too close to home for me. Both of my nieces lived in same area as Leslie and went to same school. In other words this could have very easily been either of my nieces. I have not nor will I read any of the books either.

Well said TrueNorth. I guess I am looking at this movie through the victims family's eyes, as I had mentioned about it possibly being my own family members this could have happened to. I think they have been through enough from losing their children, let alone have people making money from people that were innocently murdered.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by TrueNorth
Of course the producers would say that Are you really that naive?

As is evidenced from this board and the fact that Canadians were fed the horrific trial details of the case via internet from (mostly) Americans because of the publication ban, the producers are sucking you into yet another marketing delusion.

Those of us who lived through it remember it all too well.

If you think you're an expert now just because you've read some books, hey, post away and continue in your dream that your academic knowledge of this case makes you an expert. It only serves to further embarass yourself.

The rest of us who were neighbours would laugh at you if this weren't such a horribly painful experience for the victims' community.

My gut tells me from reading your posts over the past few weeks that your interest lies in the marketing of this film, and I suspect I'm not alone in this suspicion.

Good luck in promoting this film in Canada.

As I said earlier, it's not the Canadian way.

My god.

What. Ever.

PS. I could be living one block over and two houses down for all you know. While I truly can't imagine having this happen so close to home, St. Catharines/Burlington doesn't have exclusive rights to collective community anguish over this case. You shouldn't assume so much.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by TrueNorth
Living through the experience of trying to find the persons responsible for these horrific crimes was painful enough.

Now an American wants to make money from it by making a movie.

No Canadian with a soul will watch this movie, let alone pay to see it. It's just not the Canadian way to disrespect the memory of Leslie and Kristen, or any other victim of such a horrific crime, and I would hope that our American bretheren would share the same sentiments.

Rest assured that this American bretheren shares the same sentiments as my Canadian neighbors. I will not go see this movie. Nor could you pay me to see it. Nor would I see it for free. I hope it bombs at the box office. I do love Laura Prepon though!

Originally posted by TrueNorth
I assumed nothing. I don't know where you live, and you assumed by my use of the term "neighbour" that I live in the St. Catharines/Burlington area, which I do not. Paul and Karla's victims were not limited to that area.

It's no wonder your posts don't make sense. Your skills are limited to being able to read; you obviously don't have enough analytical skills to reach a logical and obvious conclusion.

Keep trying, though. Your attempts have provided amusement for the rest of us.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by TrueNorth
I assumed nothing. I don't know where you live, and you assumed by my use of the term "neighbour" that I live in the St. Catharines/Burlington area, which I do not. Paul and Karla's victims were not limited to that area.

It's no wonder your posts don't make sense. Your skills are limited to being able to read; you obviously don't have enough analytical skills to reach a logical and obvious conclusion.

Keep trying, though. Your attempts have provided amusement for the rest of us.

You said: "The rest of us who were neighbours would laugh at you if this weren't such a horribly painful experience for the victims' community."

Victims in the plural. Community in the singular. What community do the victims share? What is the common definition of a neighbour? You have a problem stringing a sentence together if don't think 100%,+ or - 0% of the population would not conclude you were talking about the St. Catharines/Burlington area.

Regardless, you implied (assumed) you have some superior position that gave you a depth of understanding of the crimes that I lack in the millions of words I've read on this case. Whatever.

From where I sit, all you have that I don't is an astouding bias that some of you cross infect each other with to the point that the more illogical the leap and the more fallacious the argument (when you bother to put one forth at all) the more the foolishness gets.

I don't know that my conclusions are correct any more than you know that yours are. However, logic is my bread and butter and a personal strength by temperment, education and experience. You, on the other hand, usually sound like it's time to check with your doctor to see if it's okay to post while you're in a manic phase.

Originally posted by cantstandnuts

I don't get the comments from the poster Keys who says some people's outrage is less than pure. If you read this, keys, please elaborate. What does anyone have to gain by expressing anger that isn't sincere?

Sure.

For starters, there's a certain element of voyeurism that's almost always present in people that obsessively follow high profile murder cases. What I mean by that, is that while your average Joe is entitled to a certain sense of privacy, when a person is involved in a high profile murder case, EVERYTHING about them is made public and they effectively end up with less privacy than even real celebrities (actors, singers, sports stars etc) are normally entitled to. For example, if one is sufficiently interested, it's probably possible to find out what Scott Peteron's first word was, what he got for his 7th birthday, when he had his first kiss, and all kinds of other trivial personal details about his life that really aren't any of our business. All these things - or things of a similar nature - would have been reported before through some form of media.

The point is that it's not normal or natural to get such an open, honest and unresistricted look at the personal lives of people that are, quite frankly, total strangers to us. That's where the voyeuristic element comes in. These true stories of real pain, suffering and misery are transformed into a perverse form of entertainment for the population. I'm not saying that people don't feel for the victims - because they do - but when this sympathy is laced with an interest in a case that really isn't any of their business to begin with, the sympathy becomes less than pure.

This brings us to this movie. Kristen's and Leslie's families desperately ask the public to consider their pain and to avoid seeing this movie, but still the public will flock to it and see it, for the reasons I outlined. Sure they're angry and they're outraged and they feel for the girls, but they don't care enough to spare their family this pain and to honor their request.

I'll bet Kristen and Leslie's families think that the people who will go see this movie are scum, regarldess of whether or not these moviegoers express sympathy for the girls.