Question for D.V survivors

[goatgirl]

I am curious to know from some of our D.V survivors ( I know there is a few on board)

how they feel about notorious school girl killer Karla Homolka incase you aren't aware of the story see the attached link:

http://www.kamero.net/articles/Karla_Homolka

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/...o/bernmain.htm

The reason I ask is, According to Karla she claims she was a victim of D.V most Canadians think otherwise...

I wanted to hear a view from an expert or D.V survivor

I know this thread isn't directly related to the Simpson case, but it does involve D.V

Thanks, Goatgirl

[quote]Originally posted by goatgirl
[b]I am curious to know from some of our D.V survivors ( I know there is a few on board)

how they feel about notorious school girl killer Karla Homolka incase you aren't aware of the story see the attached link:

http://www.kamero.net/articles/Karla_Homolka

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/...o/bernmain.htm

The reason I ask is, According to Karla she claims she was a victim of D.V most Canadians think otherwise...

I wanted to hear a view from an expert or D.V survivor

I know this thread isn't directly related to the Simpson case, but it does involve D.V

Thanks, Goatgirl

Hi goatgirl!

I don't know a whole lot about this case, except for what I've read in your links (and news snippets)....so I'm kinda dumb on the subject. I'm certainly not an expert, but am a DV survivor. I don't care if Bernardo beat Karla within an inch of her life. That is NO excuse for letting him do what he did to her sister! Or to anyone else! She should be rotting in jail for her remaining years on earth. I can't believe she's getting out!

I will say she would have been more believeable if she had killed her husband. This would be more along the lines of the depression and domestic violence. Some women put up with abuse for a very long time and then snap and kill their abusers, but not anyone else. She has lost her " mental" defense as far as I am concerned.

[tazzybaby]

There is no one that could ever abuse me enough to make me kill someone else or let anything bad happen to one of my family members. They would have to kill me because I wouldn't let anything happen to my sister. I think she was the same type of person as he. I know he abused her but I think she enjoyed doing what she was doing. That was a horrible case. Very sad.

Originally posted by tazzybaby
There is no one that could ever abuse me enough to make me kill someone else or let anything bad happen to one of my family members. They would have to kill me because I wouldn't let anything happen to my sister. I think she was the same type of person as he. I know he abused her but I think she enjoyed doing what she was doing. That was a horrible case. Very sad.

Tazzybaby,

You said it ALL in this one little sentence>>>
"I think she was the same type of person as he".

Very sad & horrible case indeed.

[hockeymomof5]

I am not a victim of DV however I live in the area where Paul and Karla lived and murdered these girls. Leslie's body (encased in cement) was found in the lake that is less than a minute walk from my home. I went on the search for Kristen praying that I would not find her body. This case hits very close to home.

Karla had EVERY opportunity to tell someone. She went to work every day. She saw or spoke to her parents often. The Easter after they abducted Kristen, they had her parents over for dinner. Her mother was going to go down to the root cellar to get potatoes when Karla stopped her. Kristen's body was in the root cellar. When left to "guard" the girls when Paul went on a food run, Karla was left with the phone. No attempt was made to contact anyone for help.

There were no previous reports of domestic violence until the one time in which she went to the hospital. It wasn't until he beat her with a flashlight that she decided to tell. She was only looking out for herself. Again, if she were a victim of DV, she had every opportunity to tell someone and she didn't.

Before he became involved with Karla, Paul did not kill any of his victims.......and there were many. Some may believe that crimes will escalate, but not all rapists emerge into murderers. There are many in this area who believe were it NOT for Karla, these murders would not have occurred. That it is in fact Karla who was the breaking point to turn from rape to murder. This, in no way, is an excuse for Paul. He is exactly where he should be although I would prefer if Canada had the death penalty. But Karla was no victim of DV, she is just a murderer. IMO

[Canadian Bum]

I dont believe for one minute that Karla was a victim. She was very much a willing participant. IMO Karla is not a survivor of DV. NOTE TO KARLA... The best cut and color will not hide your evil eyes!!

Originally posted by Canadian Bum
I dont believe for one minute that Karla was a victim. She was very much a willing participant. IMO Karla is not a survivor of DV. NOTE TO KARLA... The best cut and color will not hide your evil eyes!!

You got that right! Talk about a sinister smile too!

[goatgirl]

[quote]Originally posted by hockeymomof5
[b]I am not a victim of DV however I live in the area where Paul and Karla lived and murdered these girls. Leslie's body (encased in cement) was found in the lake that is less than a minute walk from my home. I went on the search for Kristen praying that I would not find her body. This case hits very close to home.

Hi hockeymomof5

I agree with your post completely !!

I don't live as close to the crimes as you did- But at one time I was very close to the Scarborough buffs area where Paul was the known rapist !
& spent a great deal of time on Niagara on the lake ..

I also have a relative that was part of the green ribbon task force....it was such a sad time, what evil those 2 injected into Canada is sick.

did you happen to watch the police interviews with Karla, they were released a few weeks ago- completely shocking....& unreal.

I think she is the killer (he is just as sick!)

I cant believe she will be out in less than 2 weeks !


goatgirl

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by tazzybaby
There is no one that could ever abuse me enough to make me kill someone else or let anything bad happen to one of my family members. They would have to kill me because I wouldn't let anything happen to my sister. I think she was the same type of person as he. I know he abused her but I think she enjoyed doing what she was doing. That was a horrible case. Very sad.

I agree with you Tazzy! I absolutely love, adore and worship my little baby sister. I would gladly die and protect her to the death if anyone tried to harm her, I swear. She is my best friend, confidant and my #1 fan. I just can't imagine a sister killing a sister. It just boggles my mind! Please don't get me wrong, the killing of anyone is just as bad!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Canadian Bum
I dont believe for one minute that Karla was a victim. She was very much a willing participant. IMO Karla is not a survivor of DV. NOTE TO KARLA... The best cut and color will not hide your evil eyes!!

Agreed! You know what they say, that "the eyes are the window to the soul." Well, Karla must have the most horrendous soul on the face of this earth because her eyes are as evil as any that I have seen!

[Canadian Bum]

Originally posted by didthedeed


Hi Canadian Bum......

There certainly is something to be said about this MONSTER'S eyes. They are NOT normal. In fact, when I look at pictures of her, and, as I have followed the case, I have seen plenty.....I have always felt that her "eyes" are beyond creepy!

I think the Devil would have softer eyes than this b*tch!

"May her life span be VERY SHORT once she is released from prison!

Now she wants to alter her eye color with contacts. Keep it up Karla Talking heads said "you will not recognize her". She wishes. Watch n see.

[Canadian Bum]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Agreed! You know what they say, that "the eyes are the window to the soul." Well, Karla must have the most horrendous soul on the face of this earth because her eyes are as evil as any that I have seen!

I wonder if someone will alter her smile for her?

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Canadian Bum
I wonder if someone will alter her smile for her?

IMO, short of cutting off her whole head, nothing done to alter her looks is going to help because Karla is one UGLY biotch ~ inside and out!

JMO and MOO!!

[~kaRN]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


IMO, short of cutting off her whole head, nothing done to alter her looks is going to help because Karla is one UGLY biotch ~ inside and out!

JMO and MOO!!

Originally posted by hockeymomof5
I am not a victim of DV however I live in the area where Paul and Karla lived and murdered these girls. Leslie's body (encased in cement) was found in the lake that is less than a minute walk from my home. I went on the search for Kristen praying that I would not find her body. This case hits very close to home.

Karla had EVERY opportunity to tell someone. She went to work every day. She saw or spoke to her parents often. The Easter after they abducted Kristen, they had her parents over for dinner. Her mother was going to go down to the root cellar to get potatoes when Karla stopped her. Kristen's body was in the root cellar. When left to "guard" the girls when Paul went on a food run, Karla was left with the phone. No attempt was made to contact anyone for help.

There were no previous reports of domestic violence until the one time in which she went to the hospital. It wasn't until he beat her with a flashlight that she decided to tell. She was only looking out for herself. Again, if she were a victim of DV, she had every opportunity to tell someone and she didn't.

Before he became involved with Karla, Paul did not kill any of his victims.......and there were many. Some may believe that crimes will escalate, but not all rapists emerge into murderers. There are many in this area who believe were it NOT for Karla, these murders would not have occurred. That it is in fact Karla who was the breaking point to turn from rape to murder. This, in no way, is an excuse for Paul. He is exactly where he should be although I would prefer if Canada had the death penalty. But Karla was no victim of DV, she is just a murderer. IMO

[mabel]

I think Karla has the mindset that she was brainwashed by her husband and accepts little responsibility. As long as she holds on to that she will be able to go on. It looks like the mom believes this too. Her demeanor is unreal..especially the smile. It will be interesting to see how she conducts herself after her release. From what I understand some family members agree with the "brainwashing" theory and others do not. Her horrendous conduct has brought disgrace and loss to her parents and intense media scrutinizination of their core values. Karla has created decension among family members...the people who love her most.

Originally posted by Canadian Bum
Now she wants to alter her eye color with contacts. Keep it up Karla Talking heads said "you will not recognize her". She wishes. Watch n see.

It is going to be difficult for her to hide the ganglion cysts on both of her wrists!

IMO

Originally posted by mabel
I think Karla has the mindset that she was brainwashed by her husband and accepts little responsibility. As long as she holds on to that she will be able to go on. It looks like the mom believes this too. Her demeanor is unreal..especially the smile. It will be interesting to see how she conducts herself after her release. From what I understand some family members agree with the "brainwashing" theory and others do not. Her horrendous conduct has brought disgrace and loss to her parents and intense media scrutinizination of their core values. Karla has created decension among family members...the people who love her most.

According to what I've read thus far, Karla's mother is involved in electric shock therapy, etc. She may consciously proclaim that she believes this "brainwashing" theory, but it seems her subconscious doesn't.

Ironically, the only family member,whom I believe enthusiastically supports Karla is Lori. Why do I think this? Because of her letter. Why does she? Beats me. I am interested in knowing about Lori, her age, boyfriends, does she work? She lives at home with her parents. How did all this change her life?

I believe, she and Karla may eventually live together.

Karla is a liar and an "engaging" manipulator. I read her letters to the author, Williams, several times and I was amazed by her ability to communicate. She is intelligent and cogent, but she is still the other half of a monster team. These letters reminded me of another inmate who corresponded with a celebrated author, who ultimately secured the criminal's release with disastrous results. I'm coming up with a blank on the names.


Paul Bernardo was a rapist at the time he met K. He did not need her to secure victims. He was able to do that himself.

The entire story of offerring her sister to him as a Christmas present is what makes me believe K wasn't brainwashed. When did this brainwashing occur? K wasn't isolated in a closet for days on end or kidnapped and repeatedly raped. She lived at home, had girlfriends and went to a job. Nope, it doesn't fit.

I might believe it IF she did not live at home, had no parents, had no job and no friends.

Paul Bernardo fulfilled some sociopathic need. She wasn't his slave, so much as his playmate.

Tammy's death was the result of methodical planning and lying. K purchased the drug, which ultimately killed her sister, under the guise of her job as a vet. In plain English she lied in order to get the drug so she could offer her "virgin" sister to Paul.

It seems to me the person in control of the situation this Christmas night was Karla. PB didn't show up on an ordinary night with x and slip it into her sister's drink. K didn't awaken to find her sister in a stupor with Paul raping her. Paul didn't beat Karla at this point in their relationship. This was plan, thought of and executed by K and filmed for later viewing.

[cantstandnuts]

I am a victim of DV.

I don't believe her story...based on my experience, it doesn't add up on a few levels.

I would have killed my husband if things had gotten much worse, but I would never be into rape, torture or murder, especially to a sibling. I swear, he would have had to kill me.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
I am a victim of DV.

I don't believe her story...based on my experience, it doesn't add up on a few levels.

I would have killed my husband if things had gotten much worse, but I would never be into rape, torture or murder, especially to a sibling. I swear, he would have had to kill me.

So sorry to hear about your DV. I hope that things are going better for you now.

As soon as Paul brought up the fact that he wanted to rape Tammy, Karla should have dropped him like a hot potato and thrown him out of the house. If Paul wouldn't leave her alone, then Karla should have gone to the police, or at least talked to her parents about it. But did she do that? No!

You've got to be one sick biotch to think more of your boyfriend/husband than your Sister. I don't want to hear this cr@p of Karla being brainwashed or battered and that she was afraid of losing Paul. However, it was okay with Karla to lose/kill her baby Sister! GMAFB!!

JMO and MOO!!

For You!!

[cantstandnuts]

As soon as Paul brought up the fact that he wanted to rape Tammy, Karla should have dropped him like a hot potato and thrown him out of the house. If Paul wouldn't leave her alone, then Karla should have gone to the police, or at least talked to her parents about it. But did she do that? No!
___________________________


And IIRC, wasn't this before she was even living with him? She had her family all around her, she was free to come and go, he had no real control over her, yet she claims he made him do it? LMAO at that one, she's lying!



For You!!

Thanks, that's sweet!

There was a case something like this one regarding a husband and wife who kept a girl for years under their bed in a hidden box.... Can't recall their names, but i believe the wife got off!!! Made me mad then and still makes me mad!!!

If anyone is interested I checked and her name was Collen Stan...Anyone remember this one??

[cantstandnuts]

There was a case something like this one regarding a husband and wife who kept a girl for years under their bed in a hidden box.... Can't recall their names, but i believe the wife got off!!! Made me mad then and still makes me mad!!!



Cameron and Janice Hooker.

These two were driving around looking for a woman for Cameron to keep as a sex slave...with their baby in the car, mind you! They happened upon Colleen Stan who was hitchhiking to a friend's birthday party. They took her and kept her in their trailor in a box under their bed. They pretty much brainwashed her and kept her prisoner for years, not sure how many. This was a sick, sick story. The only reason Cameron got put away was because of the testimony of his wife, really, because people had trouble believing Colleen. She had ample opportunity to escape but didn't. Essentially, she was brainwashed by Cameron and he even had her believe he'd bought her from the "company" I think he called it and that the "company" was always watching and would kill her if she tried to escape. After he stripped her of all dignity, etc, she was under his control. When she found out the company didn't exist (Janice told her), she finally had the guts to take off...but agreed not to tell on them...finally, Janice told a priest and the story came out in the open. Anyway, if not for Janice, Cameron would have walked away unscathed. I could understand why the jury had a hard time believing Colleen because she called them after she returned home, she wrote them letters and she told Cameron she loved him. People couldn't swallow the whole brainwashed captive idea. Janice was absolved of her part in the crime in exchange for her testimony. I read the book on this story and with all books and everything else, there's bias, and it leaned toward Janice being a victim of Cameron also. After reading it, I did believe she was a victim of sorts, but she also had a lot of jealousy toward Colleen and I think that's why she eventually told Colleen the truth and helped her escape...Janice also had her conscience eating away at her daily...unlike Karla, she had one. IMO.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by forestgrump
There was a case something like this one regarding a husband and wife who kept a girl for years under their bed in a hidden box.... Can't recall their names, but i believe the wife got off!!! Made me mad then and still makes me mad!!!

If anyone is interested I checked and her name was Collen Stan...Anyone remember this one??

Yes, I remember hearing it but couldn't remember the name.

I found this link on the story:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...x.html?sect=19

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


Yes, I remember hearing it but couldn't remember the name.

I found this link on the story:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...x.html?sect=19

Another deranged and totally sick couple.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
As soon as Paul brought up the fact that he wanted to rape Tammy, Karla should have dropped him like a hot potato and thrown him out of the house. If Paul wouldn't leave her alone, then Karla should have gone to the police, or at least talked to her parents about it. But did she do that? No!
___________________________


And IIRC, wasn't this before she was even living with him? She had her family all around her, she was free to come and go, he had no real control over her, yet she claims he made him do it? LMAO at that one, she's lying!

For You!!

Thanks, that's sweet!

You are welcome. Yes, Karla was still living at home at the time of Tammy's rape and murder.

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


You are welcome. Yes, Karla was still living at home at the time of Tammy's rape and murder.

Yes, it was at the family home, where K and T lived with mom and dad, that K drugged her sister on Christmas so her vile boyfriend PB could take her virginity.

MOO

[cantstandnuts]

Yes, it was at the family home, where K and T lived with mom and dad, that K drugged her sister on Christmas so her vile boyfriend PB could take her virginity.

Which absolutely makes her battered woman claim a bunch of hooey. The control over her that was needed to "make her do it" couldn't have existed enough at that point in time and she wasn't isolated from her family, they were all around her. She wasn't experiencing battered woman syndrome at that time, she couldn't have been simply because Paul didn't have enough time to instill it to the level he would need to in order for her to submit to something she didn't want to do.

JMO

I have been in a similar situation to Tammy... I had a very close friend of many years who went into a abusive relationship, with a very sick person and one tme she set me up so he could rape me and he took videos and made her do things to me and vice versa as well.

i think she was brainwashed, as as i think akarla was, i think it was wrong, but i think if someone is so battered the can go like that, i dt know, i just feel from my own experience ithink my friend was brainwashed...

[rph3664]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


Yes, I remember hearing it but couldn't remember the name.

I found this link on the story:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...x.html?sect=19

I don't know if this is in the linked site, but Cameron Hooker is believed to have killed a "slave" a year or two before Colleen Stan was kidnapped. Janice told authorities about it after his arrest; there was a search but the body was never found. The name and description did line up with a missing person.

I also believe that Karla was just as much a participant in this as Paul. I believe as well that they kidnapped and/or killed others; someone told me once that they are suspected of at least a dozen murders, including one while they honeymooned in Hawaii, but these were the only ones where there was enough evidence to arrest, let alone convict.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by rph3664

I don't know if this is in the linked site, but Cameron Hooker is believed to have killed a "slave" a year or two before Colleen Stan was kidnapped. Janice told authorities about it after his arrest; there was a search but the body was never found. The name and description did line up with a missing person.

I also believe that Karla was just as much a participant in this as Paul. I believe as well that they kidnapped and/or killed others; someone told me once that they are suspected of at least a dozen murders, including one while they honeymooned in Hawaii, but these were the only ones where there was enough evidence to arrest, let alone convict.

There was only a rape in Hawaii when they were there on their honeymoon. There was no murder. LE feels that Paul was responsible for this rape, but I don't think that they have any evidence to prove it. Whether Paul did it alone or it also involved Karla, I don't know. The article about the rape was found in their belongings.

JMO and MOO!!

K is a "woman who would not be pushed around or intimidated...She was very much in control (referring to interview) as she was when she violated our daughter."

Debbie Mahaffy, mother of Karla and Paul's victim Leslie Mahaffy

bump

"Violence against completely innocent powerless children is not indicative of battered wife syndrome and cannot even theoretically represent a defence to mitigate one's culpability,"

Quote from victim, Kristen French's mother

"Because I'm not a lesbian, don't like women, and don't enjoy having sex with people against their will," Homolka explained to lead prosecutor Ray Houlahan...

So the question is this: If lesbian sex is an ordeal endured only under pain of death, why willingly engage in it when you're in protective custody, arguably the safest place in the world?"


These little gems are from a cnews article
July 16, 1999
Homolka making 'special friends'

http://tinyurl.com/be4va

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
"Because I'm not a lesbian, don't like women, and don't enjoy having sex with people against their will," Homolka explained to lead prosecutor Ray Houlahan...

So the question is this: If lesbian sex is an ordeal endured only under pain of death, why willingly engage in it when you're in protective custody, arguably the safest place in the world?"

These little gems are from a cnews article
July 16, 1999
Homolka making 'special friends'

http://tinyurl.com/be4va

GMAFB! When you "do" your baby sister and a couple of chicks while you are in prison, plus your murdering boyfriend, you are either a lesbian or bi-sexual. Take your pick. What an absolutely disgusting piece of work Karla is!

Thanks for the link Anthea!

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
"Because I'm not a lesbian, don't like women, and don't enjoy having sex with people against their will," Homolka explained to lead prosecutor Ray Houlahan...

So the question is this: If lesbian sex is an ordeal endured only under pain of death, why willingly engage in it when you're in protective custody, arguably the safest place in the world?"


These little gems are from a cnews article
July 16, 1999
Homolka making 'special friends'

http://tinyurl.com/be4va

K's not a lesbian. Really, Let's read statements from her letters to judge for ourselves.

In Letters/ 3 full pages & link to other handwritten Homolka letters.
by Christie Blatchford

http://tinyurl.com/czavd



"Reading these letters, it would appear on its face that seven-plus years in prison — this is what she had served of her 12-year sentence for her role in the deaths of Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French and the sex-assault drugging death of her own sister, Tammy, when she was writing to Ms. Veronneau — left Ms. Homolka almost completely unchanged and, indeed, eerily untouched by the cruel march of time. "


Question how many OTHER lies under oath did K tell, besides the obvious lie that she doesn't like women?

[goatgirl]

[quote]Originally posted by Anthea Delano
[b]


K's not a lesbian. Really, Let's read statements from her letters to judge for ourselves.

In Letters/ 3 full pages & link to other handwritten Homolka letters.
by Christie Blatchford

http://tinyurl.com/czavd


I must comment its somewhat off topic....I just wanted to note that I think Christie Blatchford is a fantastic journist/reporter (imo) she is one of Canada's finest !


Christie Blatchford covered the trial daily for the Toronto Sun her daily reports were horribly sad, but written with dignity for the vicitms, I would suggest if anyone seeking details on the trial to try & locate them somehow ....

kindly,

GoatGirl

I am new this board but I would like to respond.

I am a survivor of DV. There is NO WAY I would have done the things Karla did out of fear. As Kristen French reportedly said,"Some things are worth dying for."

The notion of Karla as a victim makes me want to throw up. She did what she did because she liked it and wanted to.

She's a lying piece of trash. She's no one's victim.