Intuitive insights only

[lw-intuit]

Per the discussion last week, DPW/C&YS had the Seasock evaluation set up on Day X, then it was called off, then rescheduled for the following day, Day Y. Schreffler picked up Chambers' notes around noon on Day Y and the Seasock effort followed within 1-2 hours on the same day. All garnered from the publically-available record.

Why are we back then talking about 'dueling reports'. To argue that Chambers' office notes were an impetus for someone seeking out Seasock for an evaluation, a major piece is missing. How is something first received by Schreffler 1-2 hours before the rescheduled evaluation on Day Y, supposed to have provided the motivation for a decision to bring in Seasock which occurred the PREVIOUS day?

Just sounds like we're back to Freeh's unsupported assumption that there
was a 'second evaluation'. The sequence of KNOWN (objectively proveable) events doesn't support the assumption and it not ever going to fit, without some mystery person in the mix. It is at least equally possible that
DPW/C&YS, knowing Seasock's go-along persona, made a decision to
get him onboard with an exculpatory page or two about Sandusky based
on information derived at the child interview a couple days before.
Chambers may well have had nothing whatsoever to do with the initial
decision to bring him in.

The AG's had every opportunity to quiz DPW and C&YS personnel on this, to call
in Seasock to the grand jury and quiz him, to make his records part of any records request (C&YS/DPW would contend theirs are 'expunged' because there
was no 'indicated' finding). Didn't happen. So guess this is all offered to ask
even if you're being intuitive, don't you have to incorporate what is actually
known in order to be proceeding from an accurate base?

Can you say without a doubt that before the Chamber's report became a written statement, that there were no verbal communications between Chambers and 'others' that could have been passed somewhere through the pipeline?

JMO

[alongcameaspide]

Per the discussion last week, DPW/C&YS had the Seasock evaluation set up on Day X, then it was called off, then rescheduled for the following day, Day Y. Schreffler picked up Chambers' notes around noon on Day Y and the Seasock effort followed within 1-2 hours on the same day. All garnered from the publically-available record.

Why are we back then talking about 'dueling reports'. To argue that Chambers' office notes were an impetus for someone seeking out Seasock for an evaluation, a major piece is missing. How is something first received by Schreffler 1-2 hours before the rescheduled evaluation on Day Y, supposed to have provided the motivation for a decision to bring in Seasock which occurred the PREVIOUS day?

Just sounds like we're back to Freeh's unsupported assumption that there
was a 'second evaluation'. The sequence of KNOWN (objectively proveable) events doesn't support the assumption and it not ever going to fit, without some mystery person in the mix. It is at least equally possible that
DPW/C&YS, knowing Seasock's go-along persona, made a decision to
get him onboard with an exculpatory page or two about Sandusky based
on information derived at the child interview a couple days before.
Chambers may well have had nothing whatsoever to do with the initial
decision to bring him in.

The AG's had every opportunity to quiz DPW and C&YS personnel on this, to call
in Seasock to the grand jury and quiz him, to make his records part of any records request (C&YS/DPW would contend theirs are 'expunged' because there
was no 'indicated' finding). Didn't happen. So guess this is all offered to ask
even if you're being intuitive, don't you have to incorporate what is actually
known in order to be proceeding from an accurate base?

They would be called MYSTERY PEOPLE who played the role and I thought I would here another voice as to victim 8 which maybe 2 become one if not there is a bigger problem at hand just a thought

[greenbean]

Can you say without a doubt that before the Chamber's report became a written statement, that there were no verbal communications between Chambers and 'others' that could have been passed somewhere through the pipeline?

JMO

No, I can't. Just that there's no evidence that that occurred. And that to
conclude, as Freeh did, that Seasock's was a 'second evaluation', is inaccurate
given Chambers' decision to give police her office notes being not something
they asked for apparently but rather something she wanted to do - and given the timing of the initial attempt to have Seasock do an evaluation vs. the timng of Schreffler's pickup of her office notes.

There are arguments to be made about why anyone would have chosen Seasock
in this situation. Which IMO centers on a perception that he could be relied upon to know what was expected and deliver. But in the whole scheme of things, had this actually been getting Seasock to 'trump' the Chambers' notes
and the opinions contained in them, it would simply have been a dumb move.
Seasock had neither the credentials nor the experience of Chambers and there
would have been a whole town full of psychologists in a better position to rebut
Chambers' opinions if that had been the goal.

[lw-intuit]

Per the discussion last week, DPW/C&YS had the Seasock evaluation set up on Day X, then it was called off, then rescheduled for the following day, Day Y. Schreffler picked up Chambers' notes around noon on Day Y and the Seasock effort followed within 1-2 hours on the same day. All garnered from the publically-available record.

As per police report-----

May 7th----JKA states hold off on psychological evaluation until more investigation is done
May 7th-----Chambers said to have delivered her report to Schreffler.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/468430...ophile-report/

May 7th----Lauro agrees to meet with Reporting Ofiicer in the a.m. to interview JS.

May 7th----Reporting officer given report of Childline report of suspected child abuse and neglect. (copies were to be attached to the police report but are not there, that I can see.)

Chambers gave her report to Penn State police Officer Ronald Schreffler on May 7, 1998, along with a cover letter that highlighted “the gravity of the incidents.” Chambers had also reported the incident to the Pennsylvania “suspected child abuse” hotline, where officials wrote up their own report identifying Sandusky as the “AP” or “Alleged Perpetrator.” Lauro, an investigator who specialized in abuse cases, was assigned to work the case with Schreffler.

In addition, Chambers states that she talks over the particulars, with others to include TSM connected.
“My consultants agree that the incidents meet all of our definitions, based on experience and education, of a likely pedophile’s pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch, within a context of a ‘loving,’ ‘special’ relationship,” Chambers wrote in her report.

“One colleague, who has contact with the Second Mile, confirms that Mr. Sandusky is reasonably intelligent and thus, could hardly have failed to understand the way his behavior would be interpreted, if known,” Chambers continued. “His position at the Second Mile and his interest in abused boys would suggest that he was likely to have had knowledge with regard to child abuse and might even recognize this behavior as a typical pedophile ‘overture.’”

Next day: according to police report

May 8th--------from the police report

11:50 a.m. -- Officer called Miller and told evaluation delayed.
11:55 a.m.-- Lauro contacted and said supervisor said go forward with psychologist and that J Miller was contacting xxxx to bring the boy down.
11:57 a.m. Reporting officer called to say evaluation cancelled.
12:30 p.m. Chamber's report is picked up by Reporting Officer, therefore officer knew in advance of report.
1:10 p.m. xxxx calls and says she had a call from John Miller and was confused.
1:20 p.m. call from xxxx to Reporting officer, said appointment is scheduled for
2:00 p.m.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...licereport.pdf

Four questions here------------What time was the a.m. meeting with JS on May 7th, since there seemed to be meetings then at 11 and 11:15 a.m.?
Was the consultant that Chambers discussed case with on TSM Board?
Was the Childline report referred to on page 9 of 15 Chamber's report to PA abuse line?
On page 18 of 25, a May 5th date is tossed in between all other May 8th occurrences, and isn't that date in fact a mistake? The times move respectively from 11:20 to 11:40 to 11:55, and considering the next occurrence falls right in line with the previous, the May 5th date on that page appears to be erroneous, IMO.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

I hold my pearls, free of the trample, and leave behind this note of explanation, written not by me, but by one who lived what I live--------



I will not live out of me

I will not see with others' eyes
My good is good, my evil ill
I would be free - I cannot be
While I take things as others please to rate them

I dare attempt to lay out my own road

That which myself delights in shall be Good

That which I do not want -indifferent,

That which I hate is Bad. That's flat

Henceforth, please God, forever I forego

The yoke of men's opinions. I will be

Lighthearted as a bird & live with God.

I find him in the bottom of my heart

I hear continually his Voice therein

And books, & priests, & worlds, I less esteem

Who says the heart's a blind guide? It is not.

My heart did never counsel me to sin

I wonder where it got its wisdom

For in the darkest maze amid the sweetest baits

Or amid horrid dangers never once

Did that gentle Angel fail of his oracle
The little needle always knows the north

The little bird remembereth his note

And this wise Seer never errs

I never taught it what it teaches me

I only follow when I act aright.

Whence then did this Omniscient Spirit come?

From God it came. It is the Deity.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

http://www.wisdomportal.com/Emerson/...n-Journal.html

[2-B]

This may be moot, since I don't know if Logic is around and reading, not coming back, cares anymore, whatever.

But she had a lot of stuff about VT a while back, and I've been noticing a boatload of attention being paid to VT's "reign of terror" at Penn State as I scour around the web.

I'll post a couple links here in case Logic or anyone else is interested.

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Who Was the Woman who Stood Up to Joe Paterno?

Editors Note: Vicky Triponey is the former Vice President of Student Affairs at Penn State who has recently been in the news for her criticisms of the way Joe Paterno handled the discipline of football players. The author of this community post is the founder of the now inactive SafeguardOldState.com, which was often critical of Triponey’s practices at Penn State.

Despite today’s revisionist history, Vicky Triponey was not a crusader against the Penn State administration’s entrenched culture of secrecy. On the contrary, she was its enforcer, and virtually her first act upon assuming her position was to threaten its most vocal critic using the power of the purse.

http://onwardstate.com/community/who...o-joe-paterno/

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The Vicky Triponey Timeline of Terror


Since Dr. Vicky Triponey assumed leadership in Summer of 2003 of Penn State’s Office of Student Affairs, she has systematically dismantled long standing institutions of student representation. With the help of a few well-placed student allies as well as unknowing facilitators, Student Affairs is consolidating all meaningful authority traditionally held by students.

Triponey herself will tell a different tale, but the facts don’t lie. Without viable avenues for dissent, students are now left entirely at the mercy of an administration whose interests often run counter to those of its students. Follow the story of Student Affairs’ three-year power grab, with accompanying articles from The Daily Collegian.

http://safeguardoldstate.org/the-vic...ine-of-terror/

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IB's Big Haired Blonde? You be the judge:

[star1110shine]

A Dream I had the other night. Want to share it before it's lost from my mind.
I drempt I was applying for some kind of program which had to do with something medical. I needed surgery in the dream.
In order to apply for this medical program and get my surgery, I would need to meet the criteria.
The criteria involved having no record.
It came up in the dream that I had a summary charge.
I argued against it because in the dream I had no idea where and what this summary charge was.
The man told me I got this summary charge in Bellefonte, centre county.
I went home ticked in the dream determined to go to a box I had important evidence in, in which I intended to find evidence against this summary charge.
I never opened the box but returned to the man who was in charge of the medical program. I took the box to him and said if I really had a legit summary offense it would be in the box I was holding.
I open the box in front of him and two parts of a watermelon was in the box.
One side had nothing inside of it but the other side had seeds just laying there.
The dream then puts me in a different room with supposedly my friends which I never met these two guys. They was smoking a bong type pipe. Indicating IMO marijuana.

Jump right in if anyone can understand the dream.

[alongcameaspide]

This may be moot, since I don't know if Logic is around and reading, not coming back, cares anymore, whatever.

But she had a lot of stuff about VT a while back, and I've been noticing a boatload of attention being paid to VT's "reign of terror" at Penn State as I scour around the web.

I'll post a couple links here in case Logic or anyone else is interested.

*************************

Who Was the Woman who Stood Up to Joe Paterno?

Editors Note: Vicky Triponey is the former Vice President of Student Affairs at Penn State who has recently been in the news for her criticisms of the way Joe Paterno handled the discipline of football players. The author of this community post is the founder of the now inactive SafeguardOldState.com, which was often critical of Triponey’s practices at Penn State.

Despite today’s revisionist history, Vicky Triponey was not a crusader against the Penn State administration’s entrenched culture of secrecy. On the contrary, she was its enforcer, and virtually her first act upon assuming her position was to threaten its most vocal critic using the power of the purse.

http://onwardstate.com/community/who...o-joe-paterno/

*********************************************
The Vicky Triponey Timeline of Terror


Since Dr. Vicky Triponey assumed leadership in Summer of 2003 of Penn State’s Office of Student Affairs, she has systematically dismantled long standing institutions of student representation. With the help of a few well-placed student allies as well as unknowing facilitators, Student Affairs is consolidating all meaningful authority traditionally held by students.

Triponey herself will tell a different tale, but the facts don’t lie. Without viable avenues for dissent, students are now left entirely at the mercy of an administration whose interests often run counter to those of its students. Follow the story of Student Affairs’ three-year power grab, with accompanying articles from The Daily Collegian.

http://safeguardoldstate.org/the-vic...ine-of-terror/

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IB's Big Haired Blonde? You be the judge:

Well what did she look like back in 4-15-2005

[lw-intuit]

Just want to record this here on this thread since things I want to remember have a way of disappearing from the news, forgetting easy with so much to remember and to record interpretations as they come to me. So many years ago when I asked, 'did 'horse' hold some special meaning to RG?', I had no idea the importance it would someday play in the local case going on at this time and remains top clue to disappearance for me. It's repeatedly coming to me weeks after disappearance intuitively indicates RG held it in his awareness.

Today's news--------

Spanier said. “And it was reported that they were horsing around in the shower. Now they either used the word ‘horsing around’ or ‘horseplay.’ And the staff member wasn’t sure what he saw, because it was indirect and around a corner.

“And I remember asking two questions. ‘Are you sure that’s how it was described to you, as “horsing around”?’ And the answer was yes from both Gary and Tim. And, ‘Are you sure that’s all that was said to you?’ And the answer was yes.

I remember, for a moment, sort of figuratively scratching our heads and thinking about what’s an appropriate way to follow up on ‘horsing around.’ I had never gotten a report like that before.”

To ABC, Spanier said he pictured “horseplay” then as tossing water around, snapping towels and other innocuous acts from his own childhood. He admitted he didn’t try to find the boy involved in the 2001 shower incident, but when asked if he had moral obligation to do so, said, “I didn’t conjure up anything more than what I thought of as simple horseplay.

Recording recent interpretations, as well----------a path I hope leads to an answer.........
My dream about digging for the G.A.S. pipeline (thanks to nowhereman!), IMO, indicates what RG was digging into at the time of disappearance. The man controlling the digging was obviously known by RG to somehow be in control of where the digging was taking place.

Digging between both Centre and Clinton County makes sense considering that's where G.A.S. pipeline ran between. RG's leaning on the 'rock' I believe is indicative of GS, with leaning--- 'putting pressure on'; can't lean without some pressure; RG was leaning on the rock, someone also known to RG, IMO, or no need to show me, again in a dream, him leaning on that rock years ago.

I would guess the two men who were then digging at the 'lower' bed in the dream, are the two who now find themselves up against perjury charges and that the 'lower' bed indicates either 'lower' in position from man at podium or indicating earlier 1998 case. These two men were put in place by the man at the podium, in the Brown U--niform, instead of doing as I suggested, which was to bring the 'construction crew back to dig. Instead two men were placed in service. Thinking back on that dream now, the two didn't dig very deep, and were just standing there leaning on their shovels when I saw them. ( little details that I hadn't really thought about.)

What I gather from all of this is that RG was aware of all the players who are now involved.......ALL of them, but in 2005, at the time of disappearance. I also gather from this that ALL of them also knew all of this information at time of RG's disappearance and knew he was diggging around between Clinton and Centre County. Did he uncover the truth and confronted them with it? I doubt that. I would think there would be something to show that he had made a legal move at the time but it is possible he needed something more, possibly a signed statement or something from another computer, thus reason for taking laptop, dunno. Would a legal move, the step RG would next need to take, be a move in his office or would he take it to the state? I would guess if it involved porn on a computer, which I am thinking it must, it would be the state since, IIRC, TC had created a task force for such early in 2005. IMO, what is coming out now and has been since last November was known to RG in 2005 and somewhere in all of it is the reason for his disappearance.

What happened to him if he knew all that we know today? Who would a DA turn to with evidence he either 'unearthed' or someone brought to him? I tend to think it was brought to him because I think he had to have evidence on the laptop or no reason to destroy. I have always thought this case is about 'betrayal' at some level, but who betrayed him and how? and was there then retaliation?---by the 'betrayer' or a hireling? IMO, this is the secret that has yet to come out, and the answer is somewhere in the mix; just can't quite pin down yet how RG came across the truth; who wanted the truth hidden the most; who didn't want the truth to come out at the time; who had the most to gain by keeping the truth hidden and who had the most to lose if it did come out?

By process of elimination, I remove the 'two diggers', but all others remain as holding possibility as to knowing exactly what happened to RG. I would also guess that no matter which, there is only one place where the answer is likely to show up as evidence....... the money trail. Although I haven't checked yet, I am curious as to whether TSM 2005 monies and records of such are all accounted for. I think those two 'Z's on the mountainside that I pondered for so many years are most likely two 2's.
While the board is quiet as a church mouse, I am simply taking the time to record my 'path'......while knowing everyone has their own to follow.

JMO

[nowhereman]

The dream starts out with a book with a page opened with only some pages behind the page it had me look on. My eyes did not see anything but the word Tom Corbet at the bottom of the left hand side of the page. The second t that belonged in the spelling of TC's name was missing. I noticed that the book had many pages left to get to the end of it.

Then the word Jim appeared right after that.

Then I was shifted into a scene with a angry lady prosecutor that was having a hearing with TC's wife which the lady prosecutor called her Sue. Also at this point I knew that Jim was somehow connected to Sue, just a direct knowing moment.
I also was to have a direct knowing that TC's wife tried to have him killed. There was no proof that she did tho.
She caused a fire and was claiming things on the insurance that angered the prosecutor lady.

You had a prosecutor lady with brown hair shoulder length, straight and parted in the middle with glasses on, that couldn't prove a arson and insurance fraud or a attempted foul play.

Prosecutor lady started counting how many things that was claimed on the insurance papers.
She was flaming mad.

Sue had claimed her wedding frame, his pants and colored nail polish.

The prosecutor lady began to yell at Sue saying" 12 bottles of Colored nail polish"? "yes mam".
"you claimed 52 pairs of pants? He wore 52 pairs of p-a-n-t-s"? "yes mam".
"you claimed 13 picture Frames including your wedding frame?" "yes mam".
"Did you attempt to kill your husband?" "no I did not".
"Did you set the fire"? "no I did not".

Thats when I awoke. Im trying to understand it still. I just wanted to keep my word and share it.

Star, http://www.livedash.com/transcript/4...18_2009/30171/ reminds me of this case.

[lw-intuit]

In thinking further about the IB sighting in Lewisburg, coupled with how the disappearance of DA could have been carried out and by whom, I immediately had something interesting occur twice the past two days. At the same time two days in a row, on my way to the PO for daily mail drop-off, I met a red and white Mini at the exact same location.

The location is at the SCHS sports/admin office, with the HS football field on one side and womens resource center on other side.(not overlooking the possibility that WRC isn't the clue here.) They were definitely two different cars, different drivers, and I did hone in on the importance of the location, (hs football and womens abuse center in triangle with sports office) but it brought something else to mind.

I had been thinking about what planning it could have taken to ensure there were other Minis in a location prior to choosing a suitable parking place to leave RG's Mini, which brought me back to IB's sighting of a red and white Mini and a blonde. Her sighting may be the proof that there were 'sightings' of a red and white Mini that day that were not RG. Another Mini could have been who others saw including the 5 p.m.-ish sighting on route 15 as well as into the parking lot------someone else who possibly typically traveled the routes for whatever reason------perfect place later to plant the Mini, if that were a known factor.

I am wondering if the 'couple' who were noted as being one of the Minis in that area frequented the SOS often, was 'blonde', possibly someone who stopped by on Fridays to either shop or check out their business in the SOS. There are many vendors there. Did any of them typically arrive in a red and white Mini?

Thinking further------ what if someone wanted to leave the car somewhere they knew there would be 'sightings' that day of a red and white Mini, possibly of the 'blonde' who IB saw, a vehicle that someone had previously seen frequenting a certain area on certain days. That would just about guarantee 'sightings', just not of the correct person, in this case, RG. Then leaving a similar vehicle in the location later would likely not raise much immediate interest since people were accustomed to seeing a red and white Mini frequenting there. It would give the desired 'sightings'-----------just wondering if there was someone who had such familiarity with the area to know such. It could definitely indicate planning but by who? And why Lewisburg instead of Williamsport, Lock Haven? Possibly because someone involved had something in common with SC, Lock Haven, Williamsport area that could somehow point toward them?

If planning to abandon a vehicle that in many neighborhoods would be highly visible due to it's uniqueness, what better place to choose than one where you knew a similar car frequented? That raises the question of who would have planned this well enough to know where red and white Minis traveled? Those in meet-up groups could know. Possibly auto sales persons knowing who bought such in what area. It would not have necessarily required a great deal of time, if someone was in that area more than once and noticed it.

Does anyone recall there ever being any mention of JS collecting old football memorabilia? There are always 'sports' related vendors in shops such as SOS. Did any of the victims mention any kind of 'collection' of such or trips looking at such? Did an interest in collecting football memorabilia show up on JS computer? Or in his book 'Touched'? Were any 'sports related' vendors in the SOS ever questioned as to whether JS did business with them? Old receipts that might have a name on them?

JMO

[lw-intuit]

As I continue to search through that which is occurring today and comparing it with what has come to me, the first thing I looked at today was a horse on a magazine called Being........the horse was a Spanish Cerbat. I searched for the Spanish connection for a long time and today I think I see what it means. After the Being horse came, the next ones that came were in water, with water splashing all around the horse(s) and rider. I didn't catch a possible meaning to that until I re-read GS's statement again today---------

To ABC, Spanier said he pictured “horseplay” then as tossing water around,

I thought today---so that's why the horses after the Being horse were in water splashing around. I then went back to the Spanish horse to see if any in the JS group have a name with Spanish origin.......... duh!, his name begins with Spani------, GS. Whether GS indicates GS himself or GAS, not certain, but that coupled with the 'RG leaning on the rock' scene in lucid dream, I think somehow whatever RG found out put pressure on GS.

In the GAS pipeline, it was water splashing inside the pipes, not gas, so it appears there are at least two involved, GS and GAS. I am curious to know what connections there were between GS and RG. I've not heard any mention of their having met and discussed anything ever, so if there was never any discussion between them, I would guess it means whatever RG found out got back to GS somehow. What that further indicates to me is that RG must have had enough information that would have blown the case wide open in 2005, but his disappearance prevented that from happening. Who reported this back to GS, if it wasn't RG? The money trail holds the answer, IMO.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

After reading the lengthy interview with GS to see if I could pick up on something more, I decided to look 'beyond' the apparent, because it doesn't appear that connections are that easy to sift out as to who could have filled GS in on what RG found out in 2005.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...y-scandal.html

I think it is possible that GS received GAS news in 2005 from someone at TSM, possibly attorney who served both PSU and TSM? Dunno, but in sleuthing around and looking at TSM, one of the two members who share a jet together, has also done similar work in other areas of the state. One of the organizations is very similar to TSM. With one of the creators of this group being an 'angel' in TSM, meaning over $50K annually, I wonder why none of the funds that were previously going to be directed toward the Texas group were going to this group. After all, if someone donates over $50K year after year, I would think they would want their monies going to a group they knew well. Why not, since it's also PA based?

http://youthmp.org/about/founder

JMO

[lw-intuit]

I've continued my sleuthing to check out TSM, looking for how something that got back to RG in 2005 made it to GS. The only person there who would be likely to be in contact with GS would be BH. Don't see enough clout otherwise irregardless of money or power that would warrant contact.

While contemplating this, and who could possibly be the source of what got back to RG and then to GS, the answer came to me in it's usual, unusual way...........a big red cardinal landed right outside the window here by my desk. It then proceeded to move closer and closer and closer to me, until it was right up to the window staring me right in the eye. A couple of times I made movements thinking what it was doing was so strange, that it should fly away, but it didn't-----just came close enough that if the window wasn't between us, I could have reached out and touched it. At the moment I thought that, what came to mind was JS's 'Touched'.

I immediately went to animal spirits to look for the meaning of cardinal but no help there. I thought more about the words, big, red, and cardinal. I thought of the JS case and anything related which led me to McQ, since he is big and red-headed. I went searching to see whether he has ever been called 'big red' and sure 'nuf-----it's there a number of places. Here's one---------

"Big Red" has almost become the face of the PSU sideline, perhaps more so than Tom Bradley, who is actually in charge with JoePa upstairs. The cameras have always been trained on Big Red, and it's been almost always positive up to now."

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/0...t-be-said.html

So, IMO, that answers that. It appears to me then that whatever included both RG and GS involved something about McQ and the 2001 incident, not a new incident in 2005.

That led me to try a different view, the view of the 'hot potato' that was being tossed around. In 1998, the report made it to RG. In 2001, it didn't. The 1998 case was squelched at the state level, IMO. In 2001, it was squelched before it could be taken any further, so it appears something was learned in 1998. Don't let it get to the DA, because this time there would be trouble.

Going further with the case in 1998 would have been an unwise move RG wouldn't want to take, since he saw how it lacked the state's backing when Lauro decided 'no go'. There is no doubt in my mind, in 1998, JS would have won the case considering his position at PSU and his being an icon in the county. In 2001, as long as no one was going to take it to the DA's office, it wasn't going to get there via TSM or PSU. They were willing to juggle it between them. It doesn't alter the fact it was a 'hot potato', just hidden from DA's view it seems.

So when the DA announced he's not running for another term, I would guess it became rather important exactly who was going to fill the DA's shoes considering the hidden 'hot potato' with huge county and state monies wrapped around it had to remain concealed.

As long as no one mentioned the 'hot potato', and the newly elected was someone known to have personal reasons for not wanting to raise the issue, there would be no problem unless a mother and child came forward with one. Getting his out of the county was probably thought to be a wise move by them, but not wise enough when they didn't get him out of the local shower room. The 'hot potato' was tossed into the corner to hopefully cool down. Problem with that is the pedophile wasn't going to stop doing what he was doing, knew that once he got off the hook in 1998, and nothing happened after he 'threatened' the janitor(s) in his own manner of late night cruising, and nothing happened in 2001, there was literally nothing or no one to stop him from continuing.

The monkey wrench in the works for the 'hot potato group' was if the opposing party came up with an opponent who not only was familiar with the standards for abuse, but also familiar with the 1998 case in addition to years of experience in the DA office. The last thing the 'hot potato gang' would have wanted was this, IMO. They had to ensure they had the 'right' DA in position for the next term.

The more I thought about MJ's question to RG regarding who he would endorse and RG getting all weird about it, well..........he might have known there could be trouble if he said the wrong thing, but in retrospect, straddling the road might have likewise put him in a bad position, particularly if it was possibly thought RG might be behind someone running against the 'favored to keep the secret'.

In thinking about it after sleuthing, I think this situation ran as high up on the political ladder as the state level and right on down to the local level and into the 'hallowed halls' and the corner of the shower room where the 'hot potato' was tossed. No question-----the oppenent HAD to lose or the possibility of the 'secret hot potato' could come out. As long as no other mother and child came out with allegations, they were safe, even with the oppenent, but the chances of that happening were risky, with the ped continuing.

The next move was to ensure that someone was in office who could hold off any upcoming allegations long enough for TC to become governor, someone willing to juggle the 'hot potato' long enough before handing up to then AG, where it would then be held until after election and the case could then be controlled.

So what was gained? A governorship and control. What was lost? The innocence of any number of young boys, some we've heard from and some we haven't.

JMO

[star1110shine]

Star, http://www.livedash.com/transcript/4...18_2009/30171/ reminds me of this case.

I'm still reading the transcript. TY!

[star1110shine]

I've continued my sleuthing to check out TSM, looking for how something that got back to RG in 2005 made it to GS. The only person there who would be likely to be in contact with GS would be BH. Don't see enough clout otherwise irregardless of money or power that would warrant contact.

While contemplating this, and who could possibly be the source of what got back to RG and then to GS, the answer came to me in it's usual, unusual way...........a big red cardinal landed right outside the window here by my desk. It then proceeded to move closer and closer and closer to me, until it was right up to the window staring me right in the eye. A couple of times I made movements thinking what it was doing was so strange, that it should fly away, but it didn't-----just came close enough that if the window wasn't between us, I could have reached out and touched it. At the moment I thought that, what came to mind was JS's 'Touched'.

I immediately went to animal spirits to look for the meaning of cardinal but no help there. I thought more about the words, big, red, and cardinal. I thought of the JS case and anything related which led me to McQ, since he is big and red-headed. I went searching to see whether he has ever been called 'big red' and sure 'nuf-----it's there a number of places. Here's one---------

"Big Red" has almost become the face of the PSU sideline, perhaps more so than Tom Bradley, who is actually in charge with JoePa upstairs. The cameras have always been trained on Big Red, and it's been almost always positive up to now."

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/0...t-be-said.html

So, IMO, that answers that. It appears to me then that whatever included both RG and GS involved something about McQ and the 2001 incident, not a new incident in 2005.

That led me to try a different view, the view of the 'hot potato' that was being tossed around. In 1998, the report made it to RG. In 2001, it didn't. The 1998 case was squelched at the state level, IMO. In 2001, it was squelched before it could be taken any further, so it appears something was learned in 1998. Don't let it get to the DA, because this time there would be trouble.

Going further with the case in 1998 would have been an unwise move RG wouldn't want to take, since he saw how it lacked the state's backing when Lauro decided 'no go'. There is no doubt in my mind, in 1998, JS would have won the case considering his position at PSU and his being an icon in the county. In 2001, as long as no one was going to take it to the DA's office, it wasn't going to get there via TSM or PSU. They were willing to juggle it between them. It doesn't alter the fact it was a 'hot potato', just hidden from DA's view it seems.

So when the DA announced he's not running for another term, I would guess it became rather important exactly who was going to fill the DA's shoes considering the hidden 'hot potato' with huge county and state monies wrapped around it had to remain concealed.

As long as no one mentioned the 'hot potato', and the newly elected was someone known to have personal reasons for not wanting to raise the issue, there would be no problem unless a mother and child came forward with one. Getting his out of the county was probably thought to be a wise move by them, but not wise enough when they didn't get him out of the local shower room. The 'hot potato' was tossed into the corner to hopefully cool down. Problem with that is the pedophile wasn't going to stop doing what he was doing, knew that once he got off the hook in 1998, and nothing happened after he 'threatened' the janitor(s) in his own manner of late night cruising, and nothing happened in 2001, there was literally nothing or no one to stop him from continuing.

The monkey wrench in the works for the 'hot potato group' was if the opposing party came up with an opponent who not only was familiar with the standards for abuse, but also familiar with the 1998 case in addition to years of experience in the DA office. The last thing the 'hot potato gang' would have wanted was this, IMO. They had to ensure they had the 'right' DA in position for the next term.

The more I thought about MJ's question to RG regarding who he would endorse and RG getting all weird about it, well..........he might have known there could be trouble if he said the wrong thing, but in retrospect, straddling the road might have likewise put him in a bad position, particularly if it was possibly thought RG might be behind someone running against the 'favored to keep the secret'.

In thinking about it after sleuthing, I think this situation ran as high up on the political ladder as the state level and right on down to the local level and into the 'hallowed halls' and the corner of the shower room where the 'hot potato' was tossed. No question-----the oppenent HAD to lose or the possibility of the 'secret hot potato' could come out. As long as no other mother and child came out with allegations, they were safe, even with the oppenent, but the chances of that happening were risky, with the ped continuing.

The next move was to ensure that someone was in office who could hold off any upcoming allegations long enough for TC to become governor, someone willing to juggle the 'hot potato' long enough before handing up to then AG, where it would then be held until after election and the case could then be controlled.

So what was gained? A governorship and control. What was lost? The innocence of any number of young boys, some we've heard from and some we haven't.

JMO

This post is freaking me out on the red cardinal bird. Two weeks ago me and my So went to a park which held my childhood memories as a young girl. It had changed so much. We are having a problem losing something very dear to us both. We was depressed and went to sit on the park bench when all of the sudden a red cardinal bird flew right under the bench walking back and worth as if it didn't want us to sit on the bench. We both thought it odd as to the birds behavior. He then finally flew off and we felt puzzled by that. Then a boy arrived and began playing bad pipes (a musical instrument) which reminded me of Scotland. I kept in-visioning the red cardinal bird to represent the red plaid skirts the Scottish wear along with the music it went hand in hand. My So and i almost cried because the music went along with our mood of losing something so dear to us. It was like the universe heard our hearts. Now I'm reading about your red cardinal. Now I'm thinking what if someone didn't want to sit on the bench??? It's one of those moments again.

[lw-intuit]

This post is freaking me out on the red cardinal bird. Two weeks ago me and my So went to a park which held my childhood memories as a young girl. It had changed so much. We are having a problem losing something very dear to us both. We was depressed and went to sit on the park bench when all of the sudden a red cardinal bird flew right under the bench walking back and worth as if it didn't want us to sit on the bench. We both thought it odd as to the birds behavior. He then finally flew off and we felt puzzled by that. Then a boy arrived and began playing bad pipes (a musical instrument) which reminded me of Scotland. I kept in-visioning the red cardinal bird to represent the red plaid skirts the Scottish wear along with the music it went hand in hand. My So and i almost cried because the music went along with our mood of losing something so dear to us. It was like the universe heard our hearts. Now I'm reading about your red cardinal. Now I'm thinking what if someone didn't want to sit on the bench??? It's one of those moments again.

Perhaps this will help----------http://healing.about.com/od/animaltotems/ig/Animal-Totems-Photo-Gallery/Cardinal.htm
JMO

[lw-intuit]

In thinking more about my recent incident with the 'big red cardinal', I think the cardinal is just as important as the color, symbolic for either 'cardinal rule' or 'cardinal sin'.

The definition of cardinal includes Of foremost importance; paramount: a cardinal rule; cardinal sins.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cardinal

Question is what cardinal rule? The employer's who considered once it was reported, it was never to be mentioned again so it doesn't get out to the public and worse yet, get back to the local DA? Or is it in reference to a 'cardinal sin', as in the administrative assistant position big red was promoted to in 2003? I still think somehow RG found out about it, and according to my recent incident, it involved big red cardinal, which could mean either cardinal--- rule......'don't talk'.......or the cardinal----- sin, greed........if it involved 'here's what you get for keeping quiet'. IMO, it's one of the two that the cardinal is symbolic for.

I recall mention of an earlier online posting about something seen in a shower room before this case broke wide open. Does anyone recall what year this was said to have occurred? Was it as far back as 2005? Since there were PSU cases at the time of RG disappearance, it is possible that something could have been passed along to RG through someone he questioned. Question here-----if someone gets in some kind of trouble, and the DA wants information about someone else, can it be used as bargaining power legal-wise? Just curious here after looking at PSU cases going on during the time immediately prior to disappearance that RG would have been involved with.

Also wondering how strong of a case RG would have had in 2005.......it would appear strong enough to have possibly caused disappearance, so apparently strong, IF it is the reason. If JS was in Clinton Co. from 2002 on, there has to be more, and I think that 'more' is already in evidence, but uncooperative. The Clinton County victim is said to have met JS in 2005 or 2006, but it seems there weren't questions by mother until 2008 so seems unlikely, but possible if someone else noticed it. Maybe through an anonymous tip from a victim who didn't want 'involved' but didn't want to see another boy's life destroyed? One of RG's good friends, TMcK is from that county and was DA at the time. Did he have any family members in the school JS was operating out of at that time? Maybe a coach? Still looking for what might have made it back to RG, IF something did. I am just putting the questions out there and depending on the same source that brought me the big red cardinal to reveal more.

JMO

[star1110shine]

Thanks Logic! Here is a article where you will find the words sins of our father a whole lot.
http://protecthersheychildren.org/do...the-wolves.pdf

[lw-intuit]

Thanks Logic! Here is a article where you will find the words sins of our father a whole lot.
http://protecthersheychildren.org/do...the-wolves.pdf

Thanks, Star.........interesting article.

Reminds me of the case in Wilkes-Barre where the judges used the kids to gain money and I don't see where the outcome should be any different. Round the criminals up, give them their trial and send them to prison.

It seems to me that the 'at-risk' children are at a lesser risk before they get into the hands of these criminal politically-endorsed and operated organizations where the kids are not only then used for monetary gains to line politician's pockets, but are then at risk for pedophiles who prey on these type of organizations. Rumors of such are stifled within in order to keep the money rolling, with the 'wolves' then adding injury to the insult, while the sheperds golf and discuss--- themselves. They know the community's heart and wallets open up the minute someone starts waving the 'children-at-risk red flag'. Think my next sleuth will be to look back in history to when govenment started honing in on this level of greed. Obviously it's contagious........with recent epidemics in Hershey, Wilkes-Barre and State College, but old in the sense that it has been going on for years. Just wondering when exactly at-risk-kids organizations became a 'green' light in the political eye.

Obviously an investigation has to go higher than the PA Governor and the PA AG's office. We've heard there is a fed investigation going on, but when are we going to hear of an arrest of any of the political 'pimps'? IMO, JS was the bottom feeder in a lake full of 'green-backed' piranha.
JMO

[lw-intuit]

I have continued to ponder why RG took over the 1998 case, taking it out of the hands of an ADA and basically saying he'd handle it. Since it appears there was no love lost between RG and PSU, IMO, it seems likely he wouldn't back down if he thought he had a case. It also appears that RG's opinion and sentiment regarding same may not have been carried by others in the office. Not that employees have to think the same as the boss, but when it comes to the final decisions made, I would think those of the DA would be what was followed.

Until now, it appears the news has been somewhat slanted toward RG's having taken over the case to possibly reduce/manipulate the outcome in PSU favor, but I think it may be just as possible that he took over the case for the exact opposite reason------possibly he thought it needed his tougher touch, plus not wanting to risk it later becoming 'double jeopardy'. Since it has been said RG became more rigid later in years, seems unlikely he would have taken a case in order to 'go lightly'.

I would like to know what RG's sentiment toward PSU was prior to the 1998 incident, and did it change after 1998? If there was no animosity prior to 1998, then I'd guess the 1998 incident may have been what RG held in mind. I think it likely that only TG can honestly answer that question. Something as big as JS case being conveniently shuffled around the DA would have been a big red flag for RG to keep his eyes and ears open for future evidence strong enough to hold up in court.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

Found this and am unsure of what PA State Police report this was in. Considering it lists page as well as incident report #, seems unlikely it doesn't exist, but what report involved PSP?

On page 32 of a Pa. State Police report, Incident no. G07-1146135, Arnold described having an “extensive disagreement” with Gricar over the PSU investigation.

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5131

Possibly a PSP report needed filed as a result of the jurisdiction where those involved live(d)? I don't recall any mention of PSP involvement in the 'sting' operation, which if it involved jurisdiction would be where I would expect their involvement to have shown up.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

Adding to the above post, I see it is listed here under 7 n.----------------------http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site515/2012/0207/20120207_085450_SanduskyNew.pdf
------but what does 'this unknown police investigation' refer to?

JMO

[lw-intuit]

As I read and re-read the police report, I am still not understanding why the report drifts back to May 5th, in the middle of the May 8th reports, as it it was tossed in the middle of the May 8th reports as someone's afterthought. (page 18/25)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...licereport.pdf

I am also most interested in what the 'extensive disagreements' were between KA and RG......referred to on page 32.

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...anduskyNew.pdf

RG was said to be 'tough' so I can't see him choosing to overlook JS.
KA was supposedly accustomed to handling abuse cases so evidently what she saw she thought warranted charging forward.

Did RG immediately think there was not enough there to charge JS with anything, but KA did?

Who is JLauro's supervisor who told him to go ahead with Seasock interview?

Although it is horrendous that JS was allowed to continue for years after 1998, IF the case went before a jury and JS won, would he be in prison now?

It doesn't appear to be RG who allowed JS to continue but I do think it may have been dependent later on as to who was DA. Looks more and more likely, that this 'thing' with JS was a continuing factor through the years, during and after RG. Likewise, hard to believe that RG wasn't keeping an eye on JS for the years he was still in office after 1998. I would guess he knew there was no way to open the huge 'can of worms' without a strong, solid case, something that, IMO, was not there in 1998.
JMO

[lw-intuit]

Today I decided, after taking a break away from looking at it, to go back to the mountainside again on the map to see if anything new stood out. I always see something more when I do that, it seems. Today I saw two things from a different view.

1. I always thought the dark figure who overshadows the symbolic 'horse head' is JS, but never could figure out what the big 'dot' along side of him meant but thought it had to mean something, or why would it be there??............duh, (nowhereman, another one of those times when I simply have to laugh at myself). What 'dot' stands beside JS? Duh--------his wife..... 'dot'.

2. The second thing I did was spin the photo to all four of the different views again, something I have done so many times, but today on the first 1/4 spin, the first thing I noticed was the letter that is between JS and the football player, letter that is sort of 'laid back' came into focus more but in a different way......always knew it was an A, but have never been able to understand why the letter is between JS (dark shadowed figure) and the white uniformed football kid.

Today I realized that when I spin it 1/4 turn around the Z's become N's with the A between them. I never thought about the three letters possibly spelling out a name, either ANN or NAN, or possibly someone's initials? I can't remember having heard that name mentioned at any time throughout the case. Because it stands between the two figures, it's possibly either a mother's name or a girlfriend's name or maybe a sister's name or initials but definitely, because of the positioning between the two figures, I think it's possibly someone who stood between them. The letter is in front of JS, so it would be someone blocking his way to the football-er but who that would be, dunno........just another angle that would finally make sense of that 'A' that I could never figure out.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

Following my intuition here, I think it means.......grandmother

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nan

Didn't realize it myself because I have never called my grandmothers by that name, but it appears some do.

That might explain who I believe to be a 53 year old woman holding the phone could be. If she had a son or daughter, possibly at age 20, that would make the son or daughter 33 and if the son or daughter had a child at 20 as well, the son would be 13, so it could fall within the age range. The laid back part makes me wonder if she may possibly be handicapped in some manner? I don't recall any mention of any of the victims being raised by grandparents but I would gues it's possible. If a grandmother made a phone call, doesn't necessarily mean the boy lived with her, but possibly something she was uncomfortable about? I continue to believe this fits one who won't speak up even now that JS is in jail.

Where she wouldn't fit age-wise is within the range of the MW in either Tyrone or Lewisburg, but I have yet to see anything in either case that I think actually connects with RG disappearance.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

May have found it .......not certain there may not be others who were raised by grandmother.
I hadn't read this before --- just did a search under JS, victim, grandmother, and found this.
http://www.abc27.com/story/18758288/...tim-4-recounts

Now to see if there is more that might fit.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

In sleuthing around some more to see if I could find another nan, grandmother, found none. What I did find was something that may explain why everything that came to me in that area was on a mountain.......the black and white 'writing', the 'I 'heart' U-----------never thought about the rest of the story having something to do with someone who lived on a mountain........the grandson.

The second thing that I never figured out was the meaning of 'fire on the mountain', but I may have found what that may be pointing toward as well.

Jerry Sandusky used to make the 25-minute drive to Wingate to pick up a 12-year-old boy from school and bring him back to his house near Lemont.

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/06/1...her-to-me.html

Anyone who has been here for the long term may remember my continuing to bring up the 'fire on the mountain'--------(another 'duh' moment for me as to why I never thought of this!)------we were looking at BJL and his ex..........I had found an article about a 'fire on the mountain', arson, in Wingate not all that long after RG went missing, IIRC. It's the same mountain I found what looked like a big 'R' on it.

This one I definitely will need to dig back through old notes to see if I still have that news article. I asked way back then if LE checked there for any destruction of evidence or if a cadaver dog had been brought in to check it out. I recall that much but little more. It was years later when I had the dream that connected the RG disappearance to a location near the 'fire on the mountain'.........but after the BJL and ex theory didn't 'pan' out, I didn't think of it again until today. I think this is my answer to location. I wonder where 'nan' lived from there. Still so much information that's not available---

JMO

[lw-intuit]

I went back to the map and the big R is definitely a straight line to the route that leads to mountain town the young man lived at, coupled with the school in Wingate. The fire was there and spread up Purdue Mt. I recall that much and it seems it may have been on the one year anniversary time which is why it caught my attention.......was wondering if it was high stress, acting-out time.

Thinking back on RG's 'distraught' mood before disappearance and trying to tie this in, the young man met JS in 1996 or 1997, so possibly only one year before the 1998 case that came to RG's attention. IIRC, it was said there was 'another boy' who also showered when victim 6 was there. Is it possible that it was victim 4 and RG didn't check into the 'other boy' since there were no complaints brought to his attention? Could it be RG was distraught because he thought he might have overlooked something?

Reading further into the news regarding victim 4, he is the same one who MattS walked out when the boy was there, and the same one that coach TB walked in on. Since TB's nephew was in trouble with the 'prank call gang', I continue to think it is possible that something could have come to RG's attention at that time. Not certain what dealings RG had with MattS at that time, but that likewise could hold possibility. It appears the grandmother wanted the boy to go with JS, but if he was 13 in 1996-7, that would mean he was 20-21 years old in 2005, so IMO, whatever got back to RG that caused the 'distraught' may have been something he not only realized he had overlooked, but also knew then that it could have been stopped sooner. IF he had the grandmother in mind, is it possible that if victim 4 was the 'other boy' who showered with RG, that RG talked to his 'nan' and she had only glowing things to say about the wonderful things JS was doing for her grandson? Did RG think he overlooked something in what she said? I am guessing yes, it's possible. It is what I see there on the mountainside as being what was on his mind at the time of disappearance. I find it hard to believe it was a woman named Nan or Ann, but then if it was, it will come to me as well.

Just like the 2000 victim and the 2001 victim, who is this particular 'other boy' who showered with JS in 1998? It appears going to school(s) and picking boys up seems to have been his MO. Hard to believe that someone at the schools didn't find this more than a little odd instead of thinking 'he has a heart of gold'. Sheesk!! It is nothing short of horrific.......

JMO

[Serendipitous1]

Do you remember making this post, logicworks? (May 1, 2005):

"I didn't know Ray Gricar was missing until Sunday morning when I got the local paper at Wal-Mart,"

While leaving the parking lot, "Within 2 minutes, I stopped at a stop sign, and a red and white Mini-Cooper came around the corner with two tall people in it."

"That was my first 'sighting'." "I was shown TWO people in the car."

"That night I woke up from a very scary dream (uncommon for me) where a man came into my room. He was a rapist/murderer who either was in prison or 'worked' in a prison. He was tall, spikey kind of crew-cut, late 30's-early 40's, rugged, strong. The name 'Bucky' and 'Robbins' came up. He wore prison brown colored t-shirt on top and green pants, leaving an impression of someone in camoflage. I didn't know why I was seeing him but thought that it might have something to do with the missing Gricar and my asking for truth."

There was a lot more to that post. Do you remember what you said?

[lw-intuit]

Do you remember making this post, logicworks? (May 1, 2005):

"I didn't know Ray Gricar was missing until Sunday morning when I got the local paper at Wal-Mart,"

While leaving the parking lot, "Within 2 minutes, I stopped at a stop sign, and a red and white Mini-Cooper came around the corner with two tall people in it."

"That was my first 'sighting'." "I was shown TWO people in the car."

"That night I woke up from a very scary dream (uncommon for me) where a man came into my room. He was a rapist/murderer who either was in prison or 'worked' in a prison. He was tall, spikey kind of crew-cut, late 30's-early 40's, rugged, strong. The name 'Bucky' and 'Robbins' came up. He wore prison brown colored t-shirt on top and green pants, leaving an impression of someone in camoflage. I didn't know why I was seeing him but thought that it might have something to do with the missing Gricar and my asking for truth."

There was a lot more to that post. Do you remember what you said?

No, I don't remember all that I wrote back then, but I surely do remember that man at the foot of my bed. Was just thinking about that a couple of nights ago and how he just stood there as if I was to inspect him carefully. Once I realized that he wasn't moving, just there for me to observe, some of my fear went away. I remember he had some kind of mark on his cheek. I likely have it printed out somewhere but I have so many stacks, not readily found. If you have it, please, by all means, go ahead and print the rest.

Those two tall people in the red and white Mini have come back to mind many times. It's like an imprint.......never changing and I see it just like I did that day, but never have figured out what the two tall people mean, or who they could be.
I recall that it wasn't long after that that someone mentioned the rape in Aaronsburg, and I thought that might be what RG was looking into.

JMO

[Serendipitous1]

I have your early posts, logicworks. Maybe you could explain the difference between your intuitiveness and Carla Barons remote (psychic) sensing ... and the reasons why neither has made any headway.

[Serendipitous1]

In her "masterpiece" of Gricardom, JKA left out everything ever written by logicworks, UndertheRadar, day2day and countless others. Why do you suppose that was, lw? You could never be taken in by some nutcase, could you?

[Serendipitous1]

Why do YOU suppose JKA was so interested in Silly Philly, BW/TG, S/S1, and other named posters? Why do you suppose JKA failed to mention you or radar or so many others? Why do you suppose JKA never mentioned her own involvement in the old CTV threads? Inquiring minds want to know!

[Serendipitous1]

What did JKA tell the Grand Jury that did not come out in the end (so far) ... something about coming to back bite them in the arse? JKA is absolutely free to tell us what she knows. And yet, she remains silent. Nice going JKA. You are no one's hero!

Greenbean ... if you ever had an intuitive thought (or otherwise), this would be a good time to spill it ... as opposed to spinning it!

[lw-intuit]

I have your early posts, logicworks. Maybe you could explain the difference between your intuitiveness and Carla Barons remote (psychic) sensing ... and the reasons why neither has made any headway.

I have no idea about CB or any psychic or for that matter anything 'psychic'. I have only ever followed what I think is intuition. In so far as headway, I am satisfied with my progress. This case has been unlike the few others I have followed, and definitely unique in length of time. I don't do so for any self-serving reasons. I do so to know myself and the uni-verse. I have never found a dead missing person nor do I make any effort to 'talk' to any.

The first time I stepped forward to do something about what I sensed was when someone who I had heard of through my supervisor had been stabbed during a robbery. I prayed for her recovery and read they were looking for the culprit locally. That night/early morning I had a dream showing the man in a bus station getting a ticket in another city in PA. I woke up and called LE and told them to check out the bus stations in a city I was totally unfamiliar with. That is where he was found with bus ticket in hand ready to leave the city for the South. I was kept on the phone for a long time, with LE wanting to know how I knew the guy-------lol. My first case that I called LE and my first taste of the skeptic..........I thought everyone knew about intuition because I always used it.........my misunderstanding.

The second case was years later when ESmart went missng and I had a dream. In that first dream I saw her seemingly buried in dirt with her head sticking out. I could see her arm and leg twisted strangely. I thought she must be dead, but she had a strange look on her face that told me she wasn't. The dream showed location, which was close to SLC, on a mountainside near a village her mother's family had settled years before. On the map it was to the right of where Mrs.S's brother taught at a college there. Proved to be correct later..........

The second dream was of her walking, hidden in all white clothes, in a straight line with people also dressed in all white, above Washington, Utah. Also proved to be correct later when she was found. I reported both dreams to the site open by the family for tips a minimum of six months before she was found.

The third thing that happened was the every morning song, 'when the sun comes up on the Santaaaa' and it ended there, coming to me and being sung by a plaintive young female voice that sounded so forlorn. Took me awhile to understand that it was possibly ES who was singing, but never did figure out what it meant until she was found, and it was determined she had been in Santee for months.

Everything that came to me proved true, so while, in this RG case, you call it 'not making any headway', it's your choice to call it like you see it. I don't call it 'not making any headway'....I call it progress, not perfection, I am just someone walking through life with a slightly different view and telling what I see.

In so far as making headway in this case, again, I am satisfied with the progress I have made. I saw something related to the case being tucked under a bridge.
I saw 'horses', but at the time, had no way of knowing when and where the meaning would show up but I knew when it did it would be the most important element, and it has proven true, IMO. I dreamed of the GAS (thanks, nowhereman!) pipeline and continue to study it. If I search for answers in a different manner than most, what bother should that be to those who have provided no answers, only questions? There are many more book-learned-only skeptics in this world that are willing to remain robot in rote and rule. If the answers are in a book somewhere, then someone should be forthcoming with it any day now. Considering nothing I've read thus far in the 7.5 years comes anywhere close to providing any answers, IMO, the other has produced far less than what I believe has been and will ultimately prove to be answers but that is MY intuitive view only.

JMO

[lw-intuit]

In her "masterpiece" of Gricardom, JKA left out everything ever written by logicworks, UndertheRadar, day2day and countless others. Why do you suppose that was, lw? You could never be taken in by some nutcase, could you?

You would have to ask the 'author' why since I have no way of knowing.

In so far as being 'taken in', I have not been at risk here. Those who choose to act as such work quite diligently to identify themself in which case who am I to argue with them or dissuade them from acting as such? Holding an opinion in mind different than my own alone doesn't qualify------40 years wandering in the wilderness held enough lessons to distinguish the difference between energies, enough to know when to circumnavigate that which diminishes.

It's almost autumn of yet another year we are searching together. It always reminds me of the lesson of wild geese, so putting this here for those interested.

Lessons of the Geese

In the fall when you see geese heading south for the winter flying along in the "V" formation, you might be interested in knowing what science has discovered about why they fly that way.

As each bird flaps its wings, it creates uplift for the bird immediately following. By flying in a "V" formation, the whole flock adds at least 71% greater flying range than if each bird flew on its own.

Quite similar to people who are part of a team and share a common direction get where they are going quicker and easier, because they are traveling on the trust of one another and lift each other up along the way. Whenever a Goose falls out of formation, it suddenly feels the drag and resistance of trying to go through it alone and quickly gets back into formation to take advantage of the power of the flock.

If we have as much sense as a Goose, we will stay in formation and share information with those who are headed in the same way that we are going. When the lead Goose gets tired, he rotates back in the wings and another Goose takes over. It pays to share leadership and take turns doing hard jobs.

The Geese honk from behind to encourage those up front to keep their speed. Words of support and inspiration help energize those on the front line, helping them to keep pace in spite of the day-to-day pressures and fatigue. It is important that our honking be encouraging. Otherwise it's just - well .. honking!

Finally, when a Goose gets sick or is wounded and falls out, two Geese fall out of the formation and follow the injured one down to help and protect him. They stay with him until he is either able to fly or until he is dead, then they launch out with another formation to catch up with their group. When one of us is down, it's up to the others to stand by us in our time of trouble.

If we have the sense of a Goose, we will stand by each other when things get rough we will stay in formation with those headed where we want to go. The next time you see a formation of Geese, remember their message that: "IT IS INDEED A REWARD, A CHALLENGE AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF A TEAM"

Author Unknown
What I've learned from this is ----know when it's 'just honking'----------------

JMO

[nowhereman]

LW..just continue on your own path. Payer is powerfull.

[lw-intuit]

Still sifting through the clues, and up to this point it appeared that the first time the term 'horsing around' came up was in Seasock's report but according to victim 4's testimony, it was what JS called it............
He said Sandusky was the one who would start the play fighting, or "horsing around," as Sandusky called it.

Thinking back on the horses that came to me, they were tan, which in JS case would definitely fit his description, but they also had a white 'blaze'. Just did some checking to see what that could mean other than the white stripe down the front of the horse's face-----and I think I found it.........someone who had a lot of publicity wrapped around him, in the news......
(it's definitely true now but was likewise true before this case opened up.)
blaze 3 (blz)
tr.v. blazed, blaz·ing, blaz·es
To make known publicly; proclaim: Headlines blazed the news.

Another thing that was common with the horses is that the horse had a woman 'on his back'.
(IMO, not too hard to figure out who that could possibly be.) It is very possible she was 'on his back', 'riding him' seeking his attention considering all of the activities he had going on away from home.

There is one other thing I remember about the first horse that always had my attention, likely because of the colors------ a small, boxy red and white marking on the sleeve of the white shirt she wore. I always thought that must be the Mini, but how that fit in with the woman's arm, I could never quite get a grasp on what it could possibly mean........... Does anyone know whether DS smokes?

JMO

[lw-intuit]

Something that has consistently occurred when I looked at JS photos which have been in the news now for almost a year is that little voice in the back of my mind tweaking me saying 'he looks like an animal'. At first I thought 'well, if accusations are correct, animal seems like a good description'. Still every time I would see a photo of him, it was always the first thing that came to mind.....he looks like an animal but which one?

Last evening after writing about the tan and white on the horses that came to me, I thought 'he is horsefaced'! I went to check to see if there was anyone who might have seen the same thing as I do, and it seems I am not alone......here's one I found (see comment at end).
http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2012/...d-by-sandusky/

Tonight while I was looking at that 'look', I saw something else.......funny how I can look at something a gazillion times, feel some 'sensing' about it yet never connect..........The colors in the photo of what JS is wearing that has been plastered online for months now are the same colors of the horse......the tan (tan-rust color) with the white blaze down the front, (white shirt) that I was posting about last evening.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...jerry-sandusky

There is one other thing on the first horse that caught my attention, a bridle, tied.......IMO, it's JS's tie, different shade of color than the tan and white horse. I can hold the JS photo next to the horse and see it is definitely the match I have been searching for------for years, (intuitive match that is, since others might see only a horse and a man.) That leaves no doubt in my mind now as to who the disappearance involved. What I don't know is where it goes from there..........the scene on the mountain ends with JS, the young football player and 'nan'.......nothing after that on the mountainside.

After that is the red and white car on Cherry Run Road near Loganton. Taking that one step further, I would guess that could mean a family member lived near there. I would also guess the easiest, most accessible hidden area was used to hide the car until later. IF there is a crime scene in this scenario, there are two possibilities, IMO. One is either back where the car was parked because there were 'two tall people in the car', with S1 reminding me of my 'first sighting', or at a family member's house. Since I heard the two shots on the mountain the day my CD screamed after passing the 'I 'heart' U' rock, I would guess it could be either because both may be in line with it, just from different angles. Loganton is not that big of a town, but if hiding the vehicle meant going back the nearest back road, I would guess a family relative living somewhere near Main St. intersection.

Going to sleep on this tonight and pray for more clarity about what could have happened after the mountain scene.