Murders of Nicole Brown Simpson& Ron Goldman Part 2

[martin II]

the reason faye was at nicoles house was because her husband had put her out because of her drug use. her money had run out but she was freebassing coke daily. unless nicole was loaning her money she may have been getting her drugs on credit.

[William Anthony]

i agree
but i don't think le ever tried to find out who she was arguing with. if fayes drug dealer was calling about his money,that may make her cry.

I think that it should have been thoroughly investigated, as to whom it was on the phone and the subject matter of the conversation. The failure to do so was a part of Mr. Cochran's declaration of a rush to judgment. The police found no bloody clothes or murder weapon just some blood that was claimed to be Simpson's, which could have been deposited at anytime. The evidence about the collection, storage, handling of the blood, the missing blood, blood that must have come from preserved blood or the person would have been dead, the Rockingham blood, MF's Freudian slips, the blood smear on the carpet in the Bronco and the glove demonstration all led to reasonable doubt.

[martin II]

Q: And what did [Name Deleted] tell you?

A: Well, we were consoling, and he said to me nice things about Nicole.

Q: Excuse me. I can't concentrate because Mr. Simpson is talking to Mr. Kelly.

A: And they -- and he told me that "I wanted to tell you something about Nicole."

I said, "Well" -- then he told me that they went out to dinner, and Nicole asked them if they do threesome.

Q: Nicole and [Name Deleted] went out to dinner?

A: And Ron Goldman. Ron Goldman, [Name Deleted] and Nicole. That was their first -- they went out to dinner.

Q: This is being related to you by [Name Deleted]. Is that right?

A: Yes.

Q: And this is sometime after Nicole's death. Right?

A: Yes.

Q: When was this?

A: Must be a week, during that week.

Q: Okay. And where did you and [Name Deleted] --

A: Saw --

Q: -- go? Starbucks, did you say?

A: We didn't go. I saw him at Starbucks coffee.

Q: Just ran into him?

A: Yes, I ran into him.

Q: Middle of the day?

A: Yes.

Q: And he just told this to you?

A: Well, he gave me a hug because he knew.

Q: And said, "Oh, by the way, did you know that Nicole was soliciting men?" Is that what you told --

A: No.

MR. BAKER: Argumentative.

THE WITNESS: He didn't say it quite that way.

He just gave me a hug and he said, "You know, I'm sorry for what happened."

And I said, you know -- and he said nice things about Nicole, and I said -- so he asked me about Faye Resnick. I said, "Yeah, you know, and" --

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: What did he ask you about Faye Resnick?

A: He said, "Who is Faye Resnick?" I said, "Well, you know, it's Nicole and" --

Q: What did you say to him?

A: I said, "This is Nicole's friend."

Q: Okay. Continue.

A: And --

MR. BAKER: Continue with her answer?

MR. PETROCELLI: Yes.

MR. BAKER: So you interrupted her.

THE WITNESS: And he told me that they went out to dinner, and Nicole got a little drunk and started asking about that question, and he says, "It's not that I want to shock you."

I said, "Well, I know that already. She told me," and that was it. So, you know...



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A: Nicole told me that she did -- she did it with Faye and another guy, and Faye told me after Nicole died, because I wanted answers, I wanted to know if that really happened, and Faye confirmed it.

Q: Confirmed it?

A: Well, she told me. She told me the same thing what Nicole told me.

Q: Okay. When did Nicole tell you this? Give me a date.

A: I would say around April, late April.

Q: '94?

A: '94.

Q: Where were you and Nicole when you had this conversation?

A: Starbucks.

Q: Just the two of you?

A: Yes.

Q: And was this after her trip to Cabo?

A: Yes.

[martin II]

Q: And you said Nicole mentioned this topic again to you on another occasion?

A: Yes.

Q: And describe that to me.

A: This must be a week after -- I don't remember, but she kinda mentioned it in passing that, "Don't get mad at me, but I" -- "Faye and I did it."

Q: Did what?

A: That's exactly what she told me. Did what. They did it. And then she started to giggle.

Q: You mean that Faye -- she told you that Faye Resnick and she had sex with another man?

A: Well, she told me that "Faye and I did it," so that's as far as I --

Q: What did you understand that to mean?

A: That the two of them had an affair together.

Q: Alone? Or with another man?

A: Alone and with another man. Well, she said they did it, and says, "Don't get mad at me."

I said, "I'm not going to get mad at you."

Q: Wait a second. You said, "Alone and with another man."

A: Well, later on she told me that they did it with a man. So they did it before, and then they did it with another man.

Q: And she told you this in the second conversation that you had with her. You already told me about the first time.

A: Yes. Yes.

Q: Now, when she said, "Don't get mad," had you previously expressed your disapproval to her when she related the incident the first time?

A: Well, because she knew me --

MR. KRAMER: It's a yes or a no.

THE WITNESS: What -- I'm sorry.

MR. KRAMER: Did you express your disapproval to her when she told you the first time, was the question?

THE WITNESS: No.

[martin II]

during the football season oj was on the east coast working for nbc. when he came home i doubt people were comkming to him spilling the beans on nicole.
i don't think he knew much of what nicole was doing.





Q: Now, when you've had your many conversations with O.J. Simpson, since he got out of jail, about this case, have he and you discussed this topic of solicitation of men by Nicole?

MR. BAKER: I am going to object to the term "many."

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: You may answer.

A: Yes, I mentioned to him.

Q: And he has discussed it with you?

A: No.

Q: What do you mean, "No"? He's never discussed it with you?

A: No. Well, I told him, and he was shocked, couldn't believe it.

Q: Couldn't believe that Nicole did such a thing?

A: Yeah.

Q: And did you tell him about the free-basing?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay. And what was his reaction to that?

A: Well, he was shocked, because he said, "That's not the Nicole that I knew," you know, "Nicole was different."

[martin II]

Q: Do you have some story that you want to relate?

A: No, no. I wanted to tell you what happened those times.

Q: What happened?

A: That was it. She said that she had the best time with O.J., and that was it, and that's why when you told me afterwards, it couldn't happen --

Q: So what made her --

A: -- because she had said she had great sex with O.J.

Q: She had great sex with O.J.

A: Right.

Q: That's what she told you.

A: Yes.

Q: Okay. And what made her change her mind?

A: What made her change her mind?

Q: What made her decide to end the relationship? That is, what did she tell you, if anything?

A: Oh, God, she said that Faye and she met a guy in Cabo and that he's a good-looking guy.

Q: So she was interested in another man.

A: Yes. She said --

Q: This man named Brett?

A: Yeah. She said, "I mess around with her" -- "with him." I'm sorry.

Q: This is not Brett Shaves, by the way. Right?

A: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Q: This is another Brett. Right?

[martin II]

A: I spoke to him around -- oh, God, what -- May or April, around that time -- no, before -- I saw him -- he went to pick up the kids, and I was behind him. I said, "O.J., I want to talk to you," and then he went to -- he said, "Come to my house and we'll go around the neighborhood."

I said, "Okay, fine." So I just had to bring my son to a game. I went to his house, and we walked around the block, and at that time I told O.J., "You have one" -- I wanted -- see, I told him, "You have" -- "you could still save your marriage. Why don't you go and move to Florida?" She wanted to do. "That's the only way you can save -- get out of L.A."

Q: That's the only way you could save your marriage?

A: Yeah. I said, you know, "If you really want your marriage, Nicole wants her family, why don't you go and move to Florida?" And that was our conversation.

Q: What did he say?

A: Well, he said, you know, "This whole thing is crazy," you know. "I'm back with Paula, but I don't know what Nicole wants. Nicole wants me back. I try to go back, and then she keeps on changing her mind. What's going on here, Cora? What's going on?"

I said, you know, "Give her some time. Give her some time. You know, she wants to work things out, but" -- you know, that's pretty much the gist of our conversation.

Q: And did Nicole ask you to have that conversation?

A: No. I volunteered because I wanted to help their relationship because Nicole really wanted to go back, but she just didn't know when.

Because there were times when she said, "Cora, I really want to go back because I want to have my family back." Then at the end she says, you know, "When" -- she says, "You know, O.J. keeps on leaving me, you know. Every time he goes on trips I feel lonely." And so that's why she goes out with Faye and stuff like that.

Q: Why did you suggest to O.J. that he take Nicole to Florida to live?

A: Because when they tried to reconcile in April --

Q: Of what year? The year before?

A: Oh, God. '93.

Q: Yes?

A: O.J. said this is not the town for them. He says, "All these women, who are these women?" Stuff like that.

So O.J. said -- I mean Nicole said, "I'II move to wherever you" -- you know, "We can move."

So they suggested Florida because he loves golf, and Nicole and I even took golf lessons because she really wanted to work things out with -- you know, we took golf lessons at the Riviera Country Club.

Q: So you -- did Nicole suggest to you in May of 1994 that she wanted to move to Florida --

A: Yeah.

Q: -- with O.J.?

A: Yes.

Q: And when did she tell you that?

A: Well, she said, "I'm gonna move to Florida," you know. "That's where we're gonna move, and we're gonna play golf," you know. She just wanted her family.

Q: Now, when you -- Nicole had not been seeing any other men other than O.J. from 1993 in April until this incident in Cabo with Brett. Is that right?

A: Well, she saw Marcus Allen intermittently.

Q: But you understood starting in April of 1993 that O.J. and Nicole were going to try to work things out. Right?

A: Oh, yes, they tried, yes, right.

Q: And Mr. Simpson stopped seeing Paula Barbieri. Correct?

A: Correct.

Q: And that process lasted for about a year. Right?

A: Yes.

Q: And then when Nicole came back from Cabo, sometime when she -- after she returned, she told you that she was not going to see Mr. Simpson anymore. She was going to end the relationship. Right?

A: At some point, yes.

Q: And she told you she was interested in this Brett person. Right?

A: She was not interested with this Brett person, no. She really didn't care about the guy.

Q: But she wanted to see him.

A: She just wanted to have that --

Q: Freedom to date.

A: Right. She just wanted, yeah, to see the guy with Faye.

Q: Did she tell you that she wanted to date other men as well?

A: No.

Q: Did she tell you what had caused her to decide to end her reconciliation process with Mr. Simpson?

A: No

[martin II]

Q: Is that correct? That's what she told you, that she had stopped seeing this fellow?

A: Well, you know, she was still seeing Marcus Allen.

Q: You looked at Mr. Simpson when you said that. Are you concerned about his --

A: Well, because he wrote it down, too, and I felt bad because they were friends, so --

Q: You felt bad that --

A: Marcus and O.J. were friends.

Q: -- that Marcus and O.J. were friends, and just shortly before Nicole's death that Nicole was seeing Marcus Allen. Right?

A: Well, I don't know before the death, but they were still talking.

Q: In May and June of 1994. Correct?

A: I would say correct, yes.

Q: And Nicole told you that. Right? Correct?

A: Yes.

Q: And you saw Marcus at Nicole's condo at Bundy. Correct?

A: No.

Q: You saw his car there. Right?

A: No.

Q: What did Nicole tell you about her seeing Marcus Allen in the May and June of '94 time frame? Tell me what she related to you, as best you can recall.

A: There was one day where after Nicole and I had coffee I said, "What happened?"

She said, "Well, I just saw Brett," and then that same day she saw Marcus Allen.

Q: Did she call you after that day to tell you that she had seen Marcus or -- I'm a little confused.

A: No. In the afternoon. We saw each other in the afternoon.

Q: And she told you in that same day she had seen both Brett and Marcus?

A: Yes.

Q: Together or separately?

A: Separately.

Q: And what did she say about seeing Brett?

That she had had sex with him?

A: Well, she didn't go -- she just said that words, "I saw Brett today."

Q: Where? At her --

A: At her apartment, at her condo.

Q: And where did she say she had seen Marcus Allen?

A: I assumed that same place.

Q: And when was this day when she told you that she had seen both Brett and Marcus Allen on the same day?

A: When?

Q: Yeah. And maybe you can think about this in reference to her birthday and her bout with pneumonia. Was it before or after?

A: I'm trying to -- it could be before her pneumonia.

Q: Was this the first time in a while that she had told you about Marcus Allen, about seeing Marcus Allen again?

A: If -- I'm sorry. Could you repeat the question?

Q: When she told you that she had seen Marcus Allen on this occasion when you had coffee together --

A: Yes.

Q: -- where was this? In Starbucks?

A: Yes.

Q: Was this the first time in a while that she had mentioned Marcus Allen to you?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay. So to your knowledge she hadn't been seeing Marcus Allen for a long time before this conversation. Is that right?

A: Right.

Q: And this conversation was the first time that you found out that she was seeing Marcus Allen again.

A: Yes.

Q: And what did you say when she told you that?

A: I said -- I don't remember. I was -- just smiled. I said, you know, "Why? O.J.'s out of town again?" You know, so that was it. I mean...

Q: Meaning that she would not feel secure about seeing Marcus Allen while O.J. was in town?

A: Well, no. Marcus calls Nicole when O.J. is out of town.

Q: Marcus to your knowledge would seize the opportunity of O.J. being out of town --

MR. BAKER: Speculation --

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: -- to call Nicole and see her. Is that what you're saying?

MR. BAKER: Speculation.

THE WITNESS: That's what she told me, but --

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: That Marcus liked to call her when Marcus knew or believed that O.J. was out of town.

MR. BAKER: Leading.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: Correct?

A: Marcus [sic] was out of town. Correct.

Q: And Nicole told you how upset O.J. would be if he were to find out that Marcus was seeing Nicole.

MR. BAKER: Leading.

THE WITNESS: At that time Nicole didn't say that, no.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: But you knew from prior conversations that it was a source of great anger on O.J. Simpson's part. Correct?

A: That's what she told me, yes.

Q: And you knew that O.J. Simpson and Marcus Allen were very close friends. Right?

A: Right.

Q: And you knew that Marcus Allen had seen Nicole romantically the year before, before he was married to Katherine. Right?

A: Right, yes.

Q: And you knew that when Mr. Simpson found out about that, how upset he was. Right?

MR. BAKER: Speculation. Leading.

THE WITNESS: He was upset because he was shocked. He said, "What more surprises are you going to give me?" So...

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

[martin II]

Q: Okay. And what did you tell him when he said these things to you?

A: I said, you know, "Just give her some time," you know. "She really ultimately wants to move back, and she's just confused right now." I even told him, I said, "You're the one who even told her that she's going through a phase in her life where, you know, in the thirties she's going to go through this difficult time."

And even Nicole told me how O.J. is understanding. You know, "At least he understands what I'm going through." And she even told me, you know, "You know, Cora, it's really not O.J. It's not Ron. It's us," you know.

MR. PETROCELLI: Let me read that back. One second.

Q: "It's," you know, "...Ron." Who's Ron?

A: Ron Fischman.

Q: What does Ron Fischman have to do with this conversation you're having with O.J. Simpson about why Nicole has left him?

A: Why Nicole has left him?

Q: Yes.

A: Well, we always talked about how we need to do something for ourselves, you know. You know, "We're married to wealthy men, and we needed -- we need to do something for ourself," you know, I told Nicole.

"We cannot just run all the time. And it's not Ron. It's not O.J. It's us," you know. That's what Nicole said.

She says, you know, "Cora, we're the ones screwed up, not O.J., not Ron. It's us. 99 percent of women would love to have what we have." That's what she told me.

Q: And you were relating to O.J. Simpson what Nicole and you had said?

A: Yes, exactly.

Q: Trying to make him feel better, that it was not him that was the problem, but it was that Nicole was going --

A: Right.

Q: -- through this phase of her life?

A: Exactly.

Q: And that he, O.J., had to be patient and understanding before he could get her back?

A: I didn't say it that way, but --

Q: But that was the sense of what you were saying to him?

A: Pretty much, yes.

Q: And what was his reaction to that?

A: Nothing. I mean...

Q: So that's a telephone conversation. Right? That's what you said. Right?

A: Right.

Q: And can you remember anything else Mr. Simpson said to you in that telephone conversation?

A: I don't remember any more.

Q: You're covering your mouth up.

A: I don't remember.

Q: Okay. Did you tell Nicole that Mr. Simpson had said these things to you on the telephone?

A: Did I tell Nicole?

Q: Yeah.

A: I must have.

Q: Why do you say that?

A: Because Nicole was the one who told me about this.

Q: You were reporting a conversation that you had with O.J. Simpson.

A: Yeah.

Q: And what I am asking you is whether you told Nicole about your conversation with O.J. Simpson.

A: I usually don't tell Nicole about my conversation with O.J.

Q: Okay. And the next conversation you had with O.J. Simpson was when you had the talk in his office?

A: The next?

Q: After this telephone call?

A: No, no, no, no, no. No.

Q: What do you mean, "No"?

A: He just got back from a trip, and I saw him picking up the kids. So that's when --

Q: What I am trying to find out is: You've now told me about two conversations: One telephone call, which we just discussed what was said, and then another conversation in which you met him at the school and went off to the office.

A: You know what? It could be that conversation was probably just in the office then. I don't remember, you know, between telephone conversation and discussion in the office.

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[martin II]

Q: O.J. Simpson told you he wanted the relationship with Nicole to work when he talked to you in his office. Right?

A: No. At the time he really was -- he says, you know, "Either we work it out or we don't work it out, but I" -- you know, he said, "I have another life here, Cora. I can't go on like this. Either" --

Q: Can't go on like what?

MR. BAKER: You stopped her again.

THE WITNESS: The back and forth, the back and forth situation.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: Did you think that was unfair, what Nicole was doing to him?

A: At that time Nicole even felt it that way, you know. She told me, "I guess I should just leave O.J. alone."

Q: Did you tell that to O.J. Simpson, that Nicole had said that?

A: Well, I told O.J. before, "Just give her some time. Give her some time. She's going through a phase in her life." I reassured him many times that "She loves you, and at some point in her time she wants to go back to you."

Q: And what would he say in response to that?

A: He said, you know, "Cora, I feel like a battered husband here. I don't know.

I mean, I want to have my own life with Paula, and then here comes" -- "she wants to come back" -- you know, like, "I want to have my own life, and then when she sees that I have my own life, she comes back." He says, "What does she want? Tell me what she wants."

Q: And what did you tell him?

A: I told him, I said, "Give her some time. Give her some time."

Q: And what did he say?

A: He says, "I don't know what to do. What do we do here?" As he said, "I'm in the back nine. You're in the front nine." You know, "I'm 47 years old."

Q: Did Mr. Simpson tell you that he was concerned about his age relative to Nicole's age?

A: No. I think it was more so Nicole was concerned with her age because, as I told you before, she was worried about getting old, aging.

Q: Did Mr. Simpson tell you that Nicole had told him, you know, "I'm going to be" -- "you're gonna be an old man and not" --

A: Yeah, "You're gonna be an old man and you're still going to be able to find a 20-year-old. I'll be 50; nobody's gonna look at us," you know.

Q: Did Mr. Simpson tell you that he felt like a battered husband?

A: Yeah, he told me that. That was at the conversation in the office. In fact, even Nicole said, "God, gee," you know, "they feel they're battered husbands here," you know, so...

Q: What was your reaction to his statement to you that he was a battered husband?

A: At the time Nicole and I were thinking -- see, I guess what battered to me meant was emotionally, the back and forth. That's all. You know, Nicole bringing tapes and bringing muffins to O.J. and then, you know, "I want my family back," and then, "I don't want my family back. I still want to have the year off." I mean --

MR. KELLY: Miss Fischman, I can't hear you.

THE WITNESS: Oh, sorry.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: Did Mr. -- do you know why Mr. Simpson -- Withdrawn.

Is that conversation with him in the office the last one you had with him?

A: As far as I can recall, yes. Yes.

Q: You said you saw him at the recital?

A: Yes.

[socaldiva]

I find it funny that you are posting testimony from the civil trial. The one Simpson LOST.

I'm off to enjoy my day

[martin II]

I find it funny that you are posting testimony from the civil trial. The one Simpson LOST.

I'm off to enjoy my day

this is testimony from CF deposition.she didn't testify at the trial.

[socaldiva]

this is testimony from CF deposition.she didn't testify at the trial.

Don't you wonder why the defense didn't use her if they thought she had truthful information that would have been helpful to their client? Perhaps they decided she had a credibility problem

[William Anthony]

Did the judge exclude her testimony, as he did MF's.

[Hotwater]

I really don't understand what Nicole's sex life has to do with her murder other than people wanting to trash her reputation. It looks to me like that's what being done on this message board. Isn't that against discussion rules? YES. Change the subject.

HW

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_05.html

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_09.html

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_01.html

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_07.html

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_04.html

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_10.html

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_08.html

[weezer]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_05.html

just what we've been saying all along:

". . .Simpson's evidence, as revealed by his interrogatory responses, is such that no reasonable jury could find that Simpson has met his burden of proof on this issue. In special interrogatories, Goldman asked Simpson if he contended that certain of these blood drops (LAPD evidence items-6, 7,12, and 14) consisted, in whole or in part, of planted evidence, and, if so, to state all facts that supported this contention. After initially refusing to respond to these interrogatories, Simpson was ordered to do so by Judge Haber on June 25. At the June 25 hearing, Judge Haber made clear that, if Simpson elected to respond by simply referring to other documents such as criminal trial transcripts, he would be required to cite to the specific pages and lines of such documents where the facts on which his contention was based could be found. . ."

[William Anthony]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_11.html

[weezer]

http://walraven.org/simpson/pm_11.html

Exactly!

". . .To establish a proper chain of custody for the physical evidence at issue, rendering that evidence (and the various tests thereon) admissible, Goldman need only "show to the satisfaction of the trial court that, taking all the circumstances into account including the ease or difficulty with which the particular evidence could have been altered, it is reasonably certain that there was no alteration." People v. Riser. 47 Cal. 2d 566, 580 (1956) (emphasis added). Where there is only "the barest speculation that there was tampering, it is proper to admit the evidence and let what doubt remains go to its weight." Id. at 581; accord People v. Lozano, 57 Cal. App. 3d 490, 493-96 (1976). . ."

[William Anthony]

Exactly!

". . .To establish a proper chain of custody for the physical evidence at issue, rendering that evidence (and the various tests thereon) admissible, Goldman need only "show to the satisfaction of the trial court that, taking all the circumstances into account including the ease or difficulty with which the particular evidence could have been altered, it is reasonably certain that there was no alteration." People v. Riser. 47 Cal. 2d 566, 580 (1956) (emphasis added). Where there is only "the barest speculation that there was tampering, it is proper to admit the evidence and let what doubt remains go to its weight." Id. at 581; accord People v. Lozano, 57 Cal. App. 3d 490, 493-96 (1976). . ."

Exactly! You have shown why the evidence of planting should have been admitted. Thank you!!!!

"Where there is only "the barest speculation that there was tampering, it is proper to admit the evidence and let what doubt remains go to its weight." Id. at 581; accord People v. Lozano, 57 Cal. App. 3d 490, 493-96 (1976). . ."

However, this court did not.

[William Anthony]

just what we've been saying all along:

". . .Simpson's evidence, as revealed by his interrogatory responses, is such that no reasonable jury could find that Simpson has met his burden of proof on this issue. In special interrogatories, Goldman asked Simpson if he contended that certain of these blood drops (LAPD evidence items-6, 7,12, and 14) consisted, in whole or in part, of planted evidence, and, if so, to state all facts that supported this contention. After initially refusing to respond to these interrogatories, Simpson was ordered to do so by Judge Haber on June 25. At the June 25 hearing, Judge Haber made clear that, if Simpson elected to respond by simply referring to other documents such as criminal trial transcripts, he would be required to cite to the specific pages and lines of such documents where the facts on which his contention was based could be found. . ."

As you know, since I have previously posted it, Simpson did meet his burden as he was allowed to argue the theory of planting in his closing.

[weezer]

Exactly! You have shown why the evidence of planting should have been admitted. Thank you!!!!

"Where there is only "the barest speculation that there was tampering, it is proper to admit the evidence and let what doubt remains go to its weight." Id. at 581; accord People v. Lozano, 57 Cal. App. 3d 490, 493-96 (1976). . ."

However, this court did not.

the barest speculation that there was tampering --

[weezer]

As you know, since I have previously posted it, Simpson did meet his burden as he was allowed to argue the theory of planting in his closing.

As you know, since I have previously posted it, orenthal james simpson was found liable for the death of Ron Goldman and the battering of Nicole Brown.

[martin II]

i don't evaluate people based on some character ideas. i have not evaluated nicoles character. i have posted court testimony from the court record. oj simpson and others have been "trashed" in various testimony by withnesses and on the threads.

nicoles lifestyle was what it was. the testimony is what it is.

[William Anthony]

good grief, william. Nicole Brown couldn't have filed a wrongful death action since orenthal james simpson butchered her to death.

I see you really do not understand the law and my language due to my education, training and experience puts you at a disadvantage. Let me inform you again as to what a survival action is.

http://research.lawyers.com/glossary...al-action.html

So you see the cause of action did, in fact, belong to Ms. NBS.

[martin II]

Don't you wonder why the defense didn't use her if they thought she had truthful information that would have been helpful to their client? Perhaps they decided she had a credibility problem

i think the defence kept their eye on showing the jury why the prosecutions claims could not be believed. coras testimony was about nicoles personal life.
i think the plaintiffs lawyers made a mistake by forcing cora to testify as i am sure they did not want some of her testimony to see the light of day.

[Hipcheck]

i don't evaluate people based on some character ideas. i have not evaluated nicoles character. i have posted court testimony from the court record. oj simpson and others have been "trashed" in various testimony by withnesses and on the threads.

nicoles lifestyle was what it was. the testimony is what it is.

You've been trashing Nicole with all of your posts lately and you know it and I don't think that was right of you to do.

If you believe you've done nothing wrong then I would guess you would continue with those posts but I'm betting and hoping you stop the trashing.

[William Anthony]

good grief, william. Nicole Brown couldn't have filed a wrongful death action since orenthal james simpson butchered her to death.

You claim Simpson butchered Mr. Ronald Goldman but his estate filed a wrongful death action. See the difference?

[Hipcheck]

i think the defence kept their eye on showing the jury why the prosecutions claims could not be believed. coras testimony was about nicoles personal life.
i think the plaintiffs lawyers made a mistake by forcing cora to testify as i am sure they did not want some of her testimony to see the light of day.

Cora never testified at the civil trial.

[weezer]

i think the defence kept their eye on showing the jury why the prosecutions claims could not be believed. coras testimony was about nicoles personal life.
i think the plaintiffs lawyers made a mistake by forcing cora to testify as i am sure they did not want some of her testimony to see the light of day.

what day did cora testify to what you've posted, martin. I'd like to read that testimony.

[William Anthony]

You've been trashing Nicole with all of your posts lately and you know it and I don't think that was right of you to do.

If you believe you've done nothing wrong then I would guess you would continue with those posts but I'm betting and hoping you stop the trashing.

I think Martin knows that the moderator has spoken.

[martin II]

Exactly! You have shown why the evidence of planting should have been admitted. Thank you!!!!

"Where there is only "the barest speculation that there was tampering, it is proper to admit the evidence and let what doubt remains go to its weight." Id. at 581; accord People v. Lozano, 57 Cal. App. 3d 490, 493-96 (1976). . ."

However, this court did not.

i don't think weezer read her post completely before posting.

[martin II]

Exactly!

". . .To establish a proper chain of custody for the physical evidence at issue, rendering that evidence (and the various tests thereon) admissible, Goldman need only "show to the satisfaction of the trial court that, taking all the circumstances into account including the ease or difficulty with which the particular evidence could have been altered, it is reasonably certain that there was no alteration." People v. Riser. 47 Cal. 2d 566, 580 (1956) (emphasis added). Where there is only "the barest speculation that there was tampering, it is proper to admit the evidence and let what doubt remains go to its weight." Id. at 581; accord People v. Lozano, 57 Cal. App. 3d 490, 493-96 (1976). . ."

the regular lapd chain of custody was broken when vannatter did not turn ojs blood to sid and carried it around in his pocket for a few hours.

[Hipcheck]

what day did cora testify to what you've posted, martin. I'd like to read that testimony.

Cora Fishman gave a deposition but I don't believe she ever testified at the civil trial.