I could be WAY off base, but the phone "code" that showed up on the caller id could be something Tara programmed into her phone's contact list to show up instead of the caller's real name.
Any contact name can easily be disguised by assigning an alpha or numeric (or combination) alias, so anyone else using her phone or sneaking a peek at her contact list wouldn't recognize the contact's identity.
I've no idea if that is the explanation for the code in this instance, but I think it's a reasonable possibility.
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10-16-2008 10:24 PM #161
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10-16-2008 11:25 PM #162
Oh One2Snoop I totally agree. I have no idea about the science of the pings back then. I am not sure the prepaid cards were available back then. We also live in a strange area with sand dunes and such so that our cell phones do not even work or on a different time or burn out the batteries per call. I am sorry about what you have to go through. Again this would be so much easier if the same info in the FL Anthony case could be like this one. OPEN IMO
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RIP Tara and Caylee
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10-17-2008 12:04 AM #163
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Is this code thing anything like what this web site is talking about?
http://www.codemessaging.net/
can the cops check the phone records of the main suspects and see if they have this code messaging on their phones?
Maybe this could lead to something?
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10-17-2008 02:05 PM #164
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10-17-2008 04:52 PM #165"Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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"When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down "happy". They told me I didn’t understand the assignment.
I told them they didn’t understand life."
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10-17-2008 09:16 PM #166
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10-19-2008 09:17 PM #167
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Things were changed as I see it, when the 48 hours show showed her home..No cloths on the floor where they were first thought to be, on the chair is where they were ...Things where fixed up a little better!
Did you all see 48 hours last night? The father was the killer and he moved the body many times before the lady was taken in parts to a dump site.
In the show they had dogs search a small under level unseen spot in the house being checked and the dogs smelled a body....then the murderer moved it to other various places...Did not the dogs smell something at first over at the house that burnt down? just like these dog did in the lower level unseen spot in that house on last nights 48 hours.
I believe that home holds a clue and I also feel the phone record,computer are two other items that hold a clue to this huge mystery.Now if Tara had lochs ready to go into place to be used to loch someone out that is a red zone and tells me she was about to change not to keep someone in but out...Somehow that person found out and he or she went after her wanting this to stop.I feel either the three would be involved since Tara had some problems with the three main persons..but then maybe someone else could have been around that no-one knew about...But I think we have a good picture of the persons.I have to read this article you are talking of unless I did and I think your talking of something else....Tara is gone out of sight and mind and it's most likely for good. You know she was standing in front of a cotton field in the one picture..I would like to know where that is and how big it is..and if she frequented this spot a lot...Does cotton fields have the type of dirt that was found on her car after she went missing? Did the dogs take a wiff of the back of HD's truck?or MH's vehicle, Tara's car and MH's family and friends home and fields/forests..and guess what ..those dogs that did the smelling searched the house after 30 years and had the sent of the lady who went missing..We are only a few years into Tara's missing...so if they bring some good dogs in like the ones used for the last nights 48 hours THOSE POSS? maybe somethings will pop out of the darkness of this case?They could get the Detective who worked the case last night on 48 hours mystery ..That women is a good detective, you can bet on that!
This case is not closed and hope it does not...and I know they can do more with whats left!by what I saw last night there still could be a miracle and they might be able to still find Tara and what really happened!
You know what I REALLY feel it is weird that the car was washed and checked for something....?....YEAH RIGHT!Before the cops came in and took it away?.....I also have a feeling maybe the killer might also be one of those people because I could care less what people think...YOU DON'T MESS WITH EVIDENCE OR A CRIME SCENE!!That should have been obstructing the law and a crime scene.
They should have been booked for that since the crime was not closed or and all evidence was collected and the criminal also!Legally after 24 hours a person is missing and shouldn't that have been a crime also?If the investigator figured it to be a possible crime, then they crossed the line the the process of law.even possibly moving stuff around in the house or bringing things to a crime scene and If I was in charge of that crime scene NO-ONE would have passed the yellow line.
And people should watch their backs around those people, especially if they feel you are on to something!
I was not there and don't know the complete clocked time line of all events, I just am saying what I feel if I was in charge!
Where is MH now..is he in school now? does anyone know..or is he loose running around in the states?Last edited by crimehunter; 10-19-2008 at 09:42 PM.
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10-19-2008 09:33 PM #168
A GBI said long ago when asked about MH and AV, that they had found no connections,IIRC..
So HD,LG,AG? who? because actually,I think AG was the one responsible for dressing up/cleaning up the house,BEFORE those shows . WHY do that?
I agree that Taras computer,phone(home and cell)hold the clues,IMOO.
But the locks? No one has even determined when those were put there. Remember, the house was completely different.Different pics/different days/different clues,then,imo.
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10-19-2008 10:11 PM #169
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10-19-2008 11:29 PM #170
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Then someone could ask Rothwell or someone from the family who was at the house right that night Tara went missing if those lochs where there at that time or after she was found missing...
And Yes there is something odd about cleaning up the place, the car ect....no thinking over about that situation.
I don't go for the WE/I cleaned it up to look good, crud.That sounds to much like they knew they would get some comeback( Questioning) on their actions.
If you get what I mean!
And also anyone ever think maybe a family member called/ paid someone to get rid of Tara and the other three might get the blamed for Tara missing?
I can see a jealous person or upset person doing something like that. Now does anyone know of anyone in those shoes in this picture?
Just a new type of thinking.
Who had moved into the house after Tara went missing ..who set this all up?Did Ag have anything to do with this..maybe she or whom ever was to quick about this thought....might be some type of clue also..You know the bad guys always make mistakes especially those who are not a regular practicing type of criminal.
You know what? I also wonder who was the favorite in Tara's family?
Was Tara the "Favorite" of her mom?
Was Tara going to recieve anything like money when her mom knew she was dieing?
You know they said Tara was a mess sort of one day at school..could be about her boy freinds stuff but it also could she found out some terrable stuff about her mom being sick and with the two things that was very hard on her.
Did Tara want to marry so no-one could get any of the stuff that she could get from the mom if mom knew she was not going to live ...
Her mom passed on after Tara went missing...I wonder if maybe Tara's missing is linked in any way from her mom passing on...
I know Sisters/ family could fight over stuff like homes and money and Maybe Tara was going to receive something Ag wanted and jealousy came showing it's ugly face.
Did Tara know about her mom's sickness before anyone else did and AG did not, then AG found out, got ticked about it and also found out something Tara did not want AG or brother and sisters ect.... to know this secret. Maybe this made the stuff hit the fan and Tara was the one who end up dead? If AG was smart she could play all the boyfriends into the game making them look guilty and the ball would roll their way rather then her being the guilty one.
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10-20-2008 12:06 AM #171
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Rothwell did not say they where not out of the picture!
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10-20-2008 01:30 AM #172
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10-20-2008 10:12 AM #174
No one is out of the picture.It was stated,as an answer to a question, at one time, that they could find no connection to MH and AV.
IMO, that said a LOT. SO............Tara/Taras phone, had been very busy that weekend.So who else did they find a connection to, IF NOT HD?
I really believe they found many connections there,but need some rock solid proof,meaning her body.IMOO
This is about as strange, as strange gets,imo.What one person is so above the rest that he can get left out of the picture?
OR is it that he is the MAIN POI and was very adept at his lying,sneaking,hiding(and imo,killing Tara)and so far has committed the perfect crime.?
This is only my opinion. I will BEG forgiveness if/when proven wrong.
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10-20-2008 11:40 AM #175
BS, I totally agree with everything you said..I'm still at a loss as to why HD is never mentioned by name and is treated so much better thatn MH and AV. I get so angry that I have had to tep away for awhile. Someone in LE needs to explain why this case has been treated so much different than other missing persons cases in my opinion.~Suz
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10-20-2008 12:17 PM #176
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Drugs only cover up a problem and drugs don't take away problem either!
I like to go different routes, especially, if the route that has been taken is not going anywhere or leading you to a dead end.New ideas could open a door to a crime,so a person should never stop thinking!
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10-20-2008 12:55 PM #177
No offense CH, but I think O2S and Sara was trying to say that your posts are very hard to understand. Therefore maybe something you could take in order to perhaps help you remember better or make your thoughts clearer
? I am not trying to be mean but you do seem to post things that are not cohesive sometimes. I hope you undrstand that I mean no offense to you at all.~Suz
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10-20-2008 05:34 PM #178
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10-20-2008 07:38 PM #179
Sara there are lots of things in this case that can be looked at from different directions but the FACT that HD has been sheltered from the public is just what it is. He has been sheltered. No if's or and's about it. Until my strong opinion is proven wrong it will remain that it is because of "who" he is. Friends with the Perry GBI. fep
ETA: Why he has been sheltered can be argued...That he has been sheltered has no wiggle room for argument. He has been. fepLast edited by Its just me; 10-20-2008 at 07:54 PM.
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10-20-2008 08:39 PM #180
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10-20-2008 11:13 PM #182
I agree with you fep, HD most definately has been "sheltered". If he were not a cop would he be getting this, IMO, "preferential treatment"? .. somehow I think not. Sara posted, speaking of HD, "he is just a cop" .. so true.
In my eyes HD is just a man who happens to be a cop .. a man with a HUGE question mark hanging over his head.
JMHOExcerpt: "And remember the business card investigators had found at Tara's front door? "It was certainly a piece of evidence that we’re interested in. I mean it's a business card stuck in the door of a person that’s now missing," Rothwell says." - CBS - 48 Hours - Stolen Beauty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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10-21-2008 03:14 AM #183
I agree Odette. HD is JUST a man who happens to be a cop. What makes him so special in that even though he is the ONLY one who can be put at Tara's that weekend without a doubt, That he is the ONLY one who left over twenty mesgaes on her answering machine, That he is the ONLY one who hasn't come out and made any kind of statement, That he is the ONLY one who called her mom at 12:30 AM Monday morning standing in her yard, yet he did Nothing to have a wellness check on her even though he claimed to be so worried about her, well yall get the picture..Even with all that he has been shelterd repeatedly by AG/LG and LE...Why when they have came out and said they can not find a connection for MH or AV in Tara's disappearance...My qestion was and will continue to be WHY does everyone refuse to say anything except to refer to him as a married police officer from a neighboring town..It just makes me sick...IMO~Suz
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10-21-2008 11:40 AM #184
IMO, this married police officer from a neighboring community is GUILTY as sin,until proven otherwise.
I know, I know, He is innocent until proven guilty.
The problem is, how has this liar,sneak, CHEATER gone so long, without HIS NAME even being mentioned?
Did the Sister, BIL and married police officer decide that Tara was EXPENDABLE?
IMO, yes.
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10-21-2008 12:03 PM #185
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10-21-2008 08:12 PM #186
I think this is the last article about Tara. Thanks One 2 for starting the new thread for Tara. It's hard to believe it's been 3 years.
The article mentions the broken bed as being a sign of a struggle..according to my information the bed was damaged way before Tara went missing.
It also appears unless something else is discovered there will not be an arrest. Maybe I'm reading that wrong.
There is an agent working full time on Tara's case. fep
Fox24 in Macon:
Tara Grinstead Anniversary
As a tragic anniversary approaches the search continues for an Ocilla teacher and friend.
Tara Grinstead went missing three years ago this October 22nd. The GBI says they are still investigating leads in the case.
Grinstead was last seen around 11:00 PM when she left a friend's BBQ. Monday morning authorities were notified after she didn't show up to the high school she taught in. The only sign of struggle was a damaged bed frame and broken lamp at her home. Her car, cell phone and dog Dolly Madison were left at the home.
"At this time we believe that foul play is probably involved, however, we can't rule out any possibilities. We've interviewed hundreds of people to this point but haven't reached any circumstance where we are even considering effecting any kind of arrest," said GBI Special Agent in Charge Gary Rothwell.
The case has gained national attention, and the GBI says the mystery surrounding the beauty queen's disappearance is solvable.
"We did an exclusive story with 48 Hours Mysteries. That generated a lot of leads out of that story. We are constantly everyday getting phone calls, emails, and inquires about the case," said GBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Craig Rotter.
Rothwell says time has passed since Grinstead disappeared, but not their attention and dedication to the case.
"By no means is this a cold case. We have one agent that is more or less dedicated to it full time. Additionally all other agents in the office are in the pursuit of leads."
The bureau says someone out there knows something, and any tip could solve the case.
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10-21-2008 08:55 PM #187
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Feppy I agree. Thats what it sounded like to me. It's mighty strange to me that with all of the info they have been given and have read on the message boards about HD they never even said a word about him, not even now when they say therany solid leads..Of course this is only my opinion. Miss you and love you much
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10-21-2008 09:07 PM #188
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10-21-2008 10:40 PM #190
Excerpt: "And remember the business card investigators had found at Tara's front door? "It was certainly a piece of evidence that we’re interested in. I mean it's a business card stuck in the door of a person that’s now missing," Rothwell says." - CBS - 48 Hours - Stolen Beauty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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10-21-2008 10:55 PM #191I keep reading that that this case is "solvable".Excerpt:
........ and the GBI says the mystery surrounding the beauty queen's disappearance is solvable.
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It's been three years now .. WHY hasn't it been solved?Excerpt: "And remember the business card investigators had found at Tara's front door? "It was certainly a piece of evidence that we’re interested in. I mean it's a business card stuck in the door of a person that’s now missing," Rothwell says." - CBS - 48 Hours - Stolen Beauty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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10-22-2008 01:04 AM #192
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Does HD have any kids just wondering.
and Yes.. it is strange that if the case is solvable then why is it not being solved...That to me says a lot!
Anyway, If HD's DNA is not the DNA from the glove, then is it safe to say maybe he did not do it?
But then again if the glove was a dummy glove, he may have.
Another words, the glove was put there to curve off any investigation that could point to him. Now one other thought! Had HD done any arrests before this glove was found like maybe a week or to before...The glove could have been used by another cop or person who works for the cops..(With no past rap sheet of bad stuff hanging over their names and w/o DNA results listed omn that rap sheet) and then sitting in his truck and he just dropped it...So maybe he could have that DNA in his truck?
What about the cop that MH was hanging out with that week for the ride along, did he have any gloves he may have taken during his ride along.....that maybe where sitting around he could have dropped in the yard if he did the job of getting rid of Tara? You see where I am going..If the glove does not match any in her house..That glove came form outside somewhere from someone...If you ask me they could DNA all the cops get it?Or maybe test any person just jailed before Tara went missing..this would lead you back to HD or MH...Since cops carry those types of gloves which one could have used for the curving off the investigation!
I bet it was not in their pocket and it fell out..I will bet it was in a plastic bag and they used something to take it out of the bag( So not to get their own DNA on it!) and dropped it on the ground.
Cops know how to keep evidence from getting messed up and so do undercover military guys who are working as secret agents....like MH.
You know I am thinking Tara stopped and talked with someone and then she left for home they may have followed her still in a rage...and then things got out of hand.
I really still want to know the close details of when HD and MH where in the area when HD got to Tara and when MH went on his car ride along and when Tara was heading home....Who was where and who could have taken fast roads to get around and get lost before someone saw them in certain places...There are just a few odd things that do not jive in this case and I feel they are clues.
His sitting side ways while being interviewed kind of made me feel like he was being a smarty pants and kind of hinting...You won't figure this out people, I done good!I think they should have checked MH's vehicle for this unknown DNA!To late now though!
I tell you another thing where ever MH goes, I hope they keep track of anyone missing in the area he may be living, because if he does this, it may be a pattern he's been very good at hiding! But don't ask me, It's just an opinion that is all!Last edited by crimehunter; 10-22-2008 at 01:25 AM.
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10-22-2008 05:36 AM #193www.talktara.com is the home of the "LONG HAUL GROUP" where we continue to search for answers. Somebody, Somewhere knows Something. What happened to Tara Grinstead?
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10-22-2008 06:08 AM #194
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I've read it being solvable more than one time and didn't Rothwell make some kind of bold statement about him being involved until it was solved. I know he did but don't remember exactly what he said.
It may be solvable but reading the Fox article it appears that 5 foot thick file doesn't contain the information to solve it. They have nothing to even consider an arrest according to Rothwell.
I've told you guys all along the GBI talks out of both sides of their mouths. And they continue to keep Tara's case a circus by talking in circles with the information they provide the public.
The only hope I have left is Agent Lightner, who is the agent working full time on this case, will start over on day one and reinvestigate the case. Throw the 5 foot file down the toilet and start a new one. I do know she is active on the case.
fepLast edited by Its just me; 10-22-2008 at 06:34 AM.
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10-22-2008 08:06 AM #195
Excerpt: "And remember the business card investigators had found at Tara's front door? "It was certainly a piece of evidence that we’re interested in. I mean it's a business card stuck in the door of a person that’s now missing," Rothwell says." - CBS - 48 Hours - Stolen Beauty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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10-22-2008 09:33 AM #196
Odette, Most cases are solvable so they are telling me absolutely nothing there. Most cases are unsolvable if the investigators don't want it to be also. Just a fact. What is going on in Tara's case I can't say...I do know things have been done that makes the investigation of Tara's case questionable. Just another fact. I also know things have been done in past cases that makes the GBI questionable as a whole and that includes the top dogs sitting in Atlanta Georgia. Another fact. fep
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10-22-2008 11:00 AM #197
I feel that this is absurd. They should know the perp by now. Rothwell is not helping.......... IMO sara[/QUOTE]
Maybe LL will piece it together.The TRUTH is in there,somewhere.
We have to remember, if LL is devoting MOST of her time to this, she will have to have EVERYTHING in order.
(Im trying to convince myself,here)
Her professional career is at stake,IMOO. I am willing to give her time(ALL the time she needs) to GET IT RIGHT.
Of course, this doesnt explain why HD is an unmentionable!!!
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10-22-2008 02:20 PM #198
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I was thinking about the glove...
HD did see any glove right? To me where it was laying, you would have thought HD would have been seen it and as a cop I bet he did look around as of habbit because of being a cop and also since Tara did not answer the door...
SO.... If it was not there ...unless of course if he was not being truthful that is...
Someone else brought the glove in to the scene of the crime.
Next question then would be...
Who was to Tara's house after he was?I mean before the cops were brought into the picture.
If you ask me, I have a feeling someone who was at the crime scene before and after the cops were called know who did it or was part of the crime.And Rothwell is right there w probably was more then one person involved in the crime.
You know what I mean.
This is why I believe HD is being set up.
and with his s history, I can see where a few person might want to teach him a lesson. Think about those persons who might just want to do that and maybe how they might go about doing it.
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10-23-2008 01:31 PM #199Lodi Guest
"At this time we believe that foul play is probably involved, however, we can't rule out any possibilities. We've interviewed hundreds of people to this point but haven't reached any circumstance where we are even considering effecting any kind of arrest," said GBI Special Agent in Charge Gary Rothwell.
I suppose it's obvious but in the bolded sentence above, Agent Rothwell states in plain english that GBI doesn't know if Tara met with foul play. She could be alive or dead. There is no real evidence that leads them in either direction. No possibilities can be ruled out.
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10-23-2008 03:00 PM #200
I think most have had that opinion all along. Nothing can be ruled out except the impossible. I've seen some of that on these message boards.
I personally think Rothwell is saying what he said... they believe foul play is "probably " (which can mean, almost certainly, most likely, in all probability, perhaps, maybe, possibly etc) involved. To me Rothwell is saying foul play is more of a possibility than any other possibility. But that's just me...I lose hope at times but I still try to cling to that chance Tara is alive and well. fepwww.talktara.com is the home of the "LONG HAUL GROUP" where we continue to search for answers. Somebody, Somewhere knows Something. What happened to Tara Grinstead?
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