Photos of the body at the crime scene

[Bargle5]

After rereading, it is a bit ambiguous. I took a look with Google for the Bauerdorf autopsy photos, but didn't find them. Never mind then.

[SaraSidle]

After rereading, it is a bit ambiguous. I took a look with Google for the Bauerdorf autopsy photos, but didn't find them. Never mind then.

Actually I started reading prior posts there and was fascinated by some of the things I had forgotten. the FBI link is so interesting. too bad there are so many things blacked out. I only read the first 2 sections Bargle but there were some good stuff.

Too bad we cannot look at the whole record now that all this time as passed.
IMO

[Marian Paroo]

Too bad we cannot look at the whole record now that all this time as passed.
IMO

Well, it looks as if we will be able to read the Mata Hari file in a couple of years -- the 100 year ban is coming to an end in 2016 or 2017.

[SaraSidle]

Well, it looks as if we will be able to read the Mata Hari file in a couple of years -- the 100 year ban is coming to an end in 2016 or 2017.

That would be great too

[redcloey]

I wonder who paid for the tattoo for her? If it were an old boyfriend, he might have wanted to take it back. Could there be someone else's initials in the tattoo, someone a boyfriend would be jelous of? Also, maybe they didn't want her to be identified, although if that were the case, he wouldn't have put her body where it was.

From what I've read, she wanted a rich man, someone to spend lots of money on her, but she didn't seem like she had that many choices. She bounced around a lot too much to be a snob, moving from place to place.

Her pictures were grousome and I'm going to check out the fbi files. I just read about her a few weeks ago. She's spooky, something about her story is very haunting. I'm surprised no one has been turned in considering it's a high profile case.

[SaraSidle]

I think they just do not have enough info on it to redo it but maybe not.
It is haunting though. the mouth is bizarre.

[SF_Teddybear]

I'm fortunate in that I live about 5 minutes from her final resting place, in Mountain View Cemetery (in the Piedmont suburb of Oakland, Ca.). I visit her grave often, and always wonder when I'm looking down at that grave if her case will ever be solved. It's my hope that eventually it will be solved, and the poor thing can finally rest in peace.

As far as the "chunk" that was carved from her thigh, I read somewhere that she had a rose tattoo there (which may already have been mentioned in a previous post). Perhaps whoever killed her wanted a macabre "souvenir" from her, in which case it may still be in existence somewhere. Given the grotesque and brutal nature of this crime, especially how her body was mutilated, I have to wonder if it was a crime of a more "personal" nature. Maybe someone wanted her to be their wife, girlfriend......whatever, and she spurned them. Maybe they were so psychologically messed up to begin with that they figured if they couldn't have her, then nobody could. Just a theory.

[SaraSidle]

I'm fortunate in that I live about 5 minutes from her final resting place, in Mountain View Cemetery (in the Piedmont suburb of Oakland, Ca.). I visit her grave often, and always wonder when I'm looking down at that grave if her case will ever be solved. It's my hope that eventually it will be solved, and the poor thing can finally rest in peace.

As far as the "chunk" that was carved from her thigh, I read somewhere that she had a rose tattoo there (which may already have been mentioned in a previous post). Perhaps whoever killed her wanted a macabre "souvenir" from her, in which case it may still be in existence somewhere. Given the grotesque and brutal nature of this crime, especially how her body was mutilated, I have to wonder if it was a crime of a more "personal" nature. Maybe someone wanted her to be their wife, girlfriend......whatever, and she spurned them. Maybe they were so psychologically messed up to begin with that they figured if they couldn't have her, then nobody could. Just a theory.

that makes a lot of sense. it is not like someone was cutting women in half those days. very personal

[Marian Paroo]

Personal.

Without a doubt.

Well, if it hasn't been solved now, it never will be.

[SundaySunshine]

I saw a docudrama regarding this information.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...slug=dahlia110

My father killed 'Black Dahlia,' ex-detective says

I wonder if, back then, they collected any physical evidence that could be tested now. I do wonder if there are cold case files on this case and stored evidence.

[SundaySunshine]

I'm fortunate in that I live about 5 minutes from her final resting place, in Mountain View Cemetery (in the Piedmont suburb of Oakland, Ca.). I visit her grave often, and always wonder when I'm looking down at that grave if her case will ever be solved. It's my hope that eventually it will be solved, and the poor thing can finally rest in peace.

As far as the "chunk" that was carved from her thigh, I read somewhere that she had a rose tattoo there (which may already have been mentioned in a previous post). Perhaps whoever killed her wanted a macabre "souvenir" from her, in which case it may still be in existence somewhere. Given the grotesque and brutal nature of this crime, especially how her body was mutilated, I have to wonder if it was a crime of a more "personal" nature. Maybe someone wanted her to be their wife, girlfriend......whatever, and she spurned them. Maybe they were so psychologically messed up to begin with that they figured if they couldn't have her, then nobody could. Just a theory.

IIRC that gorged out part of her leg was stuffed up her vagina.

[SundaySunshine]

I don't see how this freak only killed once. He must have done some killings before and or after that could be tied to his MO in some way or another. I don't think back then they were connected with other agencies across the country to compare anything. I would think some cold case detectives would take this on. Maybe they don't seem to care based on the fact the killer is probably dead by now. I don't think this killing was based on anything she did to upset him. I believe it was just the killer enjoying killing.

A serial killer?

I believe she was in a high risk category who could have come in contact with a serial killer. She met and went out with a lot of men.

[BeastofBears]

This I have to agree with, Sunday. (IMO), no way this was a one time deal.

Thing is, are there any parallel cases from just before or after?(must admit I am not fully versed, in case anyone wants to jump on my ignorance)

[Marian Paroo]

This I have to agree with, Sunday. (IMO), no way this was a one time deal.

Thing is, are there any parallel cases from just before or after?(must admit I am not fully versed, in case anyone wants to jump on my ignorance)

There were indeed, but none quite as gruesome.

But I would need another cuppa cawfee to remember or even check it out. I think they are refered to in the Wikipedia article on the case.

[BeastofBears]

Not that this really adds to the discussion, but the recent LA episode of Ghost Hunters just covered Elizabeth Short in case anyone is interested.

[Marian Paroo]

Not that this really adds to the discussion, but the recent LA episode of Ghost Hunters just covered Elizabeth Short in case anyone is interested.

Will keep my eye out for it, although I usually don't watch the program.

Have been interested in that case for decades, ever since Cosmopolitan did a story on it about it on the 25th anniversary.

[BeastofBears]

Will keep my eye out for it, although I usually don't watch the program.

Have been interested in that case for decades, ever since Cosmopolitan did a story on it about it on the 25th anniversary.

Who knows, maybe someone watching the show will know something. You never know what could shake something loose... I was actually channel surfing, and I suddenly heard the 'investigators' calling out to Elizabeth Short. It was eerie.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2493444.html

[SaraSidle]

Who knows, maybe someone watching the show will know something. You never know what could shake something loose... I was actually channel surfing, and I suddenly heard the 'investigators' calling out to Elizabeth Short. It was eerie.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2493444.html

that is eerie. I cannot argue about the doctor. I wonder if she was a girlfriend of his and he became angry when she was with someone else. I also wonder being a doctor if he did have a drug problems and drugs and rage set him off. I also think the mouth may have been his anger at her telling him she was his when she really was. I do not know. I always wonder. tattoo removal was either a reminder of her (trophy) or he had it done. I do know it was personal and with lots of rage