GBI Releases New Info In Tara Grinstead Case

[zorro]

Nancy the car was still at Tara's when Dr.G came to Ocilla. Crimelibrary's article dated the last of Feb said Dr. G would arrive in Ocilla in a week. IIRC I don't know the date the GBI picked up the car but after Dr.G arrived he said he recovered pine bark and there was something about dirt on the tires also AG was not happy with the GBI's investigation at that time the best I can remember. At some point after Dr. G's arrival AG had the car privately checked and luminoled. The GBI picked up the car at some point when that was finished. Any how...The GBI got the car at some point after the first of March, 2006. 5/6 months after Tara disappeared. There are two different versions about the car... it's being held by the GBI or it's available but no family member has claimed it. I personally believe the later version but that's just me. fep

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori..._find_her.html

The car was picked-up by the GBI well before March 2006. The car was picked up before Dr. G arrived in Ocilla. The pine bark and the clay on the tires were found months before Dr G started the case.

[NancynNC]

The car was picked-up by the GBI well before March 2006. The car was picked up before Dr. G arrived in Ocilla. The pine bark and the clay on the tires were found months before Dr G started the case.

Well now, you may be right. It seemed a long time to me before the GBI took the car. It was discussed here on the board as to why didn't they take it. I know they fingerprinted it that first day. I remember seeing the picture with the dust on the trunk. It was washed by the neighbor. AG did have it checked. It seemed to me if GBI had fingerprints from the glove in 10 days, they would have rushed to get the car.

I know Dr. G. did check the car, how could he, if the GBI had it?

[zorro]

I do not think Dr saw the car. The clay and the pine bark were removed from the car before it was picked up by the GBI. I think the car was picked up before the private company had a chance to treat it with luminol. I think the GBI wanted to do it.

[Atok]

The GBI had plenty of time to luminol it before the information that a private company was being considered for the job. It was months.

I don't know if anyone ever did it.

I think the delayed handling of the car was additional poor investigation for this case. LE shouldn't have released it to be washed, they should have taken it to impound that day. The fact they released it is yet another indicator that they weren't considering this case to be as serious as it appears today.

[McKenna]

I do not think Dr saw the car. The clay and the pine bark were removed from the car before it was picked up by the GBI. I think the car was picked up before the private company had a chance to treat it with luminol. I think the GBI wanted to do it.

IIRC, GBI stepped in to take the car when preps were being made to have it privately done. I think you are quite right that "GBI wanted to do it". After the car was treated with luminol, GBI never gave it back, despite requests by the family to regain possession of it, PRIOR to the death of Faye Grinstead. It is my assumption that something must have been found upon their close inspection of it. Otherwise, the car would have been returned long ago IMO.

I don't have personal knowledge of the pine bark, etc. and the timing on that, but you are quite correct that GBI picked up the vehicle well before March, 2006, and it remains with them even now, almost 3 years into Tara's disappearance.

[Its just me]

I do not think Dr saw the car. The clay and the pine bark were removed from the car before it was picked up by the GBI. I think the car was picked up before the private company had a chance to treat it with luminol. I think the GBI wanted to do it.

Thanks, You are right...I've been doing some back reading at TT and Dr. G "did not" remove the pine bark. I'd swore I thought he said he did. My apology to all. fep

[Its just me]

The GBI had plenty of time to luminol it before the information that a private company was being considered for the job. It was months.

I don't know if anyone ever did it.

I think the delayed handling of the car was additional poor investigation for this case. LE shouldn't have released it to be washed, they should have taken it to impound that day. The fact they released it is yet another indicator that they weren't considering this case to be as serious as it appears today.

I agree..totally. Unless the car is to preserve the evidence found on day one..I see no value of anything later found in the car after it sat unsecured. Any evidence found on the outside would have most likely disappeared on wash day. fep

[The R]

I agree..totally. Unless the car is to preserve the evidence found on day one..I see no value of anything later found in the car after it sat unsecured. Any evidence found on the outside would have most likely disappeared on wash day. fep

would the taking of the car into evidence happen to coincide with the time Rothwell states the GBI found out for sure there was DNA in the glove?

Anyone know?

TIA,
R

[Atok]

Rothwell said they found evidence 10 days after they took the glove. The car wasn't taken 10 days into the case. I don't think it coincides with the glove. I agree that it coincides with when it was said the family wanted to get a private luminol done.

[Its just me]

would the taking of the car into evidence happen to coincide with the time Rothwell states the GBI found out for sure there was DNA in the glove?

Anyone know?

TIA,
R

I'm now lost R and would like to know the date the GBI got the car also...Rothwell said they had the results back in 10 days ?? and I believe he stated it was sent to the lab within a few days. That would be pretty fast for AG to want the car tested privately. IMHOO. fep

[crimehunter]

Pine bark and clay was found on the car...did anyone think about finding the area which might have this type of tree and ground to see if that may be where Tara could buried?I have been wondering since no-one really knows exactly how long it took Tara to get to her house, maybe she went a different way or took an alternative route home..maybe she took a scenic route and that is where she was in contact with someone else, a friend or the perp?what I am saying is if she never came home or if they followed her home maybe it was from that area?
I still can't figure why anyone would mess with any type of crime scene evidence...like washing the car or even checking it for stuff that could be found. I don't care how long it is sitting around before police get to it ,it is still evidence and should have never been messed with.If you ask me that just says someone wanted to either contaminate evidence or remove it somehow.

[crimehunter]

Thinking like a geologist I would look in area's where there is a lot of tree's and maybe some bluff or mountain type situation and where clay would be found. I know Georgia is full of this so it would be like hunting in a hay pile..I would look outside of the city not around Tara's home and more in forest preserves. Is there any particular park or forest reserve that is secluded and not visited a lot.You know clay is more of a under the ground type of stuff..Kind of makes a person think...if Tara does not have clay then why did they find that.
I would ask where the Dr. where he found the clay..on the car or in the car? If it was in the car..then where? front floor? That would surely ring a bell!

[philosophy]

It is my understanding that Dr. Godwin was told in March 2006 that Ocilla PD had a piece of the bark and some clay taken from the front underside of Tara’s car. Dr. Godwin requested a sample of those items so he could have a forensic geologist/bontanist that he knew to examine it. His request was never acknowledged.

[Its just me]

It is my understanding that Dr. Godwin was told in March 2006 that Ocilla PD had a piece of the bark and some clay taken from the front underside of Tara’s car. Dr. Godwin requested a sample of those items so he could have a forensic geologist/bontanist that he knew to examine it. His request was never acknowledged.

Dr.G should have known that the Ocilla PD had called in the GBI to do the investigation and he should have asked them instead of the OPD. fep

[philosophy]

Dr.G should have known that the Ocilla PD had called in the GBI to do the investigation and he should have asked them instead of the OPD. fep

Why? Ocilla PD had the bark/clay not the GBI even in March 2006 almost 5 months after Tara went missing.

[Its just me]

Why? Ocilla PD had the bark/clay not the GBI even in March 2006 almost 5 months after Tara went missing.

Why would the GBI give the bark and clay to the OPD when the GBI processed the car. fep

[butterbean]

Why would the GBI give the bark and clay to the OPD when the GBI processed the car. fep

The bark and the clay were given to the OPD. The delay was in the OPD turning it over to the GBI.

[Its just me]

The bark and the clay were given to the OPD. The delay was in the OPD turning it over to the GBI.

Well I'm more lost than if I was downtown Hong Kong...Who took the bark and clay from the car to give it to the OPD. Why didn't the GBI get the bark and clay when they processed the car Monday afternoon. fep

[McKenna]

The bark and the clay were given to the OPD. The delay was in the OPD turning it over to the GBI.

IIRC there were several things that were "delayed" in turning over to GBI, but that's another story for another day.

[concernedperson]

The bark and the clay were given to the OPD. The delay was in the OPD turning it over to the GBI.

This is not good.

[Its just me]

FWIW..In all honesty. I'm not lost and never have been..It's just as I figured. More s*** I know who processed the car and I know who was present when it was processed. No amount of poop changes facts But do carry on. fep

[Lodi]

FWIW..In all honesty. I'm not lost and never have been..It's just as I figured. More s*** I know who processed the car and I know who was present when it was processed. No amount of poop changes facts But do carry on. fep

Do you know if the one that processed the car in the presence of GBI was the same one who said GBI agents were arguing over the camera? If he didn't trust the agent in charge, isn't it likely he would turn the bark/clay over to OPD?

[Its just me]

Do you know if the one that processed the car in the presence of GBI was the same one who said GBI agents were arguing over the camera? If he didn't trust the agent in charge, isn't it likely he would turn the bark/clay over to OPD?

Are you saying someone don't trust the GBI. Interesting. fep

[Lodi]

Are you saying someone don't trust the GBI. Interesting. fep

It all seems to tie together. How many people would be close enough to hear agents arguing IF the story is true? Does GBI trust just anyone when they argue? If the person doing the processing was not another GBI agent, he could feel free to pass on such information. He also would not trust the agent in charge with other evidence.

[Its just me]

It all seems to tie together. How many people would be close enough to hear agents arguing IF the story is true? Does GBI trust just anyone when they argue? If the person doing the processing was not another GBI agent, he could feel free to pass on such information. He also would not trust the agent in charge with other evidence.

To be truthful Lodi...I don't know who trusted who...But I sure would not have. I don't think Chief Hancock would have done one thing dishonest...I'd bet every dime I have. He called in the GBI because there was a conflict of interest. They came Monday afternoon and started their investigation which included processing the car. Anything concerning "collected bark/clay evidence" that is outside of that is speculation, rumor or lies. IMHOO fep

ETA: If the stroy is not true someone investigating told a lie. fep

[One2Snoop]

The bark and the clay were given to the OPD. The delay was in the OPD turning it over to the GBI.

This is almost beginning to sound like whose on first?! Now my question to your post is,
Who gave the clay and bark to the OPD before it was turned over to the GBI?

Its just me

FWIW..In all honesty. I'm not lost and never have been..It's just as I figured. More s*** I know who processed the car and I know who was present when it was processed. No amount of poop changes facts But do carry on. fep

I know you aren't lost and I agree with you Fep, just more bull poop. Getting mighty smelly in here don't ya think?

[Lodi]

To be truthful Lodi...I don't know who trusted who...But I sure would not have. I don't think Chief Hancock would have done one thing dishonest...I'd bet every dime I have. He called in the GBI because there was a conflict of interest. They came Monday afternoon and started their investigation which included processing the car. Anything concerning "collected bark/clay evidence" that is outside of that is speculation, rumor or lies. IMHOO fep

I agree. One other point of speculation is that if there was a delay in GBI knowing about a piece of evidence concerning the car, that could have prompted them to come back and impound the car for further testing.

[Its just me]

I agree. One other point of speculation is that if there was a delay in GBI knowing about a piece of evidence concerning the car, that could have prompted them to come back and impound the car for further testing.

Your right that would be speculation so I don't know. I don't believe the car had any evidence but that's just my thinking. Truthfully that's about all we can do is think..because we don't know. The car should have been taken on day one but no one can unring that bell. fep

[crimehunter]

Now If that is the case, that the Dr. did find this stuff, did anyone even go to do research on this to find where she could have been to have that on her car? Gosh darn if it was my family member, I would have been in every park and hiking parks to see if any new area looked like it was dug up.I wouldn't let anyone near that car she drove except the cops and no-one would be doing any snooping..because everyone would be a suspect until the real one was found..and that would mean until the end..even ten years later, until when he or she was found...No one would pull no good stuff on me and get in and screw any evidence up, even if it was just a friendly gesture.

[Lodi]

Your right that would be speculation so I don't know. I don't believe the car had any evidence but that's just my thinking. Truthfully that's about all we can do is think..because we don't know. The car should have been taken on day one but no one can unring that bell. fep

I understand your thinking. As for myself, I wouldn't want to speculate on whether the car contained evidence. I have no way of knowing.

[One2Snoop]

Now If that is the case, that the Dr. did find this stuff, did anyone even go to do research on this to find where she could have been to have that on her car? Gosh darn if it was my family member, I would have been in every park and hiking parks to see if any new area looked like it was dug up.I wouldn't let anyone near that car she drove except the cops and no-one would be doing any snooping..because everyone would be a suspect until the real one was found..and that would mean until the end..even ten years later, until when he or she was found...No one would pull no good stuff on me and get in and screw any evidence up, even if it was just a friendly gesture.

The Dr. did not find the clay and bark. From what I understand he asked for a sample and never got a response for his request.

ETA -FWIW and FYI - this was something posted by the nics Philosphy and butterbean. See above.

[Its just me]

I understand your thinking. As for myself, I wouldn't want to speculate on whether the car contained evidence. I have no way of knowing.

Nope the public has no way of knowing. LOL..If there was any evidence on the car maybe crime stoppers will do a show and we will find out. fep

[crimehunter]

That is really sad...no response...
And just think they pay those people to do a job!
I would have been on them like a fly on stinky stuff ...
Funny Tara's sister/family did not demand some results from his finding that stuff!!I mean like to me it sounds like a lack of responsibility on both sides of the picture. It's history now though!
I know that Dr. left because of threat...If it would have been me..I would have found where the call came from and had someone set that dude up for the big fall..and hard too!Didn't he even have his conversations taped? It could have helped put that person in the brink for good man!

[One2Snoop]

That is really sad...no response...
And just think they pay those people to do a job!
I would have been on them like a fly on stinky stuff ...
Funny Tara's sister/family did not demand some results from his finding that stuff!!I mean like to me it sounds like a lack of responsibility on both sides of the picture. It's history now though!
I know that Dr. left because of threat...If it would have been me..I would have found where the call came from and had someone set that dude up for the big fall..and hard too!Didn't he even have his conversations taped? It could have helped put that person in the brink for good man!

From my understanding Dr. G was there on his own dime and wasn't being paid by the family. Can someone else verify this please. Thanks.

Regarding the threat - who knows? *69 was mentioned several times as an option to find out where the call came from and IIRC Dr. G said he didn't have that ability. Everyone has that ability whether you susbcribe to it or not. You can pay a monthly flat fee of approx $6 or by use - I think its approx $1 or a bit more to use it that way from my understanding.

[Lodi]

Now If that is the case, that the Dr. did find this stuff, did anyone even go to do research on this to find where she could have been to have that on her car? Gosh darn if it was my family member, I would have been in every park and hiking parks to see if any new area looked like it was dug up.I wouldn't let anyone near that car she drove except the cops and no-one would be doing any snooping..because everyone would be a suspect until the real one was found..and that would mean until the end..even ten years later, until when he or she was found...No one would pull no good stuff on me and get in and screw any evidence up, even if it was just a friendly gesture.

Unless something about the bark and clay was unusual, how could it lead you to a certain place? Logging trucks leave clay and bark on the highways year round. No need to get off the road to pick it up in your tires.

[crimehunter]

Hey Fep just want to say ...I am rooting for ya!

The old torn up,thrown away ghost book here!

[One2Snoop]

Unless something about the bark and clay was unusual, how could it lead you to a certain place? Logging trucks leave clay and bark on the highways year round. No need to get off the road to pick it up in your tires.

Thats a good point Lodi but I think crimehunter brings up a good point also. Considering the area Tara lives in would it be considered normal for her car to have clay and bark on it?

ETA: By that I mean does she live in a residental area thats all paved or does she have to travel any dirt roads? FWIW - Her driveway isn't paved.

[crimehunter]

Well, you just said a mouth full....thats a start..follow the trucks!and if for chance there is an area that is more clayed up and has the those types of tree's, well I would be putting my dog on the hunt for a body or freshly dug up spot. Like I said, A map and geology state information would be a start. If it was me I would be doing a drive around and checking areas out.

[SaraSidle]

Unless something about the bark and clay was unusual, how could it lead you to a certain place? Logging trucks leave clay and bark on the highways year round. No need to get off the road to pick it up in your tires.

could be some 2 tracks in the area that could have been driven sometime the week before she disappeared even. this is definitely a mistake keeping everything quite. That bark and clay could tell a lot or nothing. Like almost everythng else. Imo Sara

[crimehunter]

Well, you just said a mouth full....thats a start..follow the trucks!and if for chance there is an area that is more clayed up and has the those types of tree's, well I would be putting my dog on the hunt for a body or freshly dug up spot. Like I said, A map and geology state information would be a start. If it was me I would be doing a drive around and checking areas out.

The other side of the road would be..It could not have been that far from where she was ..because where Tara lives and between the time she had gone home..you would have to figure in a time span of when she left form the dinner with friends and got to her house or when she was last seen by the neighbors...I mean...when they figured she was home.
I would say they could figure she may have been somewhere between those times.
The last item would be who( suspects) live near those areas or have Friends in those areas..I try to think of scenarios that could figure in to her disappearance and if they could fit.The last thing who hung out in those areas, parks, forests ect... a lot... The suspect would have to know these areas or use them to be able to know a place for sad doings...
does any of the suspects or their friends fit in this type of situation....since three where involved possibly......

You know what I mean.....

open thinking................
Did anyone look to see if her shoes had anything on them?or the rug or in her house...which would mean she never got out of her car...if she was dragged... she would have that on her clothes..SO she met someone before she got home..................Just thinking!
Is that why AG or who ever wanted the car washed?They knew where she was possibly?. . .