The Men In This Case Discussion

[fsbiii]

What in the world?

[The R]

When it is all said and done Tara will have stayed in love with Marcus.Why? I don't know. When you and I talked on the phone I mentioned that I had looked at everyone and came right back to my initial thoughts. You said that was good as it represented an open mind yet I feel you were not being honest with me considering many of the posts here. You know I have looked at all. You know I have questioned all. I thought you a regular guy with a genuine mission. Please don't tell me I was wrong.

Did I insult or offend you CP?

You don't believe she was in love with Marcus? Her own step-mother said so on the 48 hr program.

re: your comments about us speaking, that was so long ago I don't even remember the date, do you? I can remember Talla wanting the girls to get together to discuss the case at the Mexican place and it seems we even talked about that, right? It never came to fruition although I was willing to meet and discuss but I don't think Talla was dealing with a full deck for some reason. I remember just leaving it at that.

If I said you were being open minded then good, but what do you mean about coming full circle? I honestly don't remember although I do remember a couple other things that you seemed to be inferring.

I still don't know what happened to TG and I don't think any of my ramblings have affected the case one iota.

Should you decide to call again or vice-versa, I have no problems speaking with you or anyone else here for that matter.

ALLMO,
R

[fsbiii]

CP, you don't act with an open mind and look at all possibilities. You might tell yourself that, but c'mon. Do you actually read some of the things you've posted? Particularly at Websleuths (where we can't "doctor" anything? LOL)

You pick someone out, go after them with fangs, and then retreat and move onto another. Usually in a pack formation. That's not open minded. That's scary.

I wish everyone could actually CEASE the freakyness and just be OPEN MINDED to address any and all possibilities without having to be RIGHT or claim to know some secret that doesn't exist.

I commend The R for his post and his gentlemanly efforts. I truly do.

[concernedperson]

Did I insult or offend you CP?

You don't believe she was in love with Marcus? Her own step-mother said so on the 48 hr program.

re: your comments about us speaking, that was so long ago I don't even remember the date, do you? I can remember Talla wanting the girls to get together to discuss the case at the Mexican place and it seems we even talked about that, right? It never came to fruition although I was willing to meet and discuss but I don't think Talla was dealing with a full deck for some reason. I remember just leaving it at that.

If I said you were being open minded then good, but what do you mean about coming full circle? I honestly don't remember although I do remember a couple other things that you seemed to be inferring.

I still don't know what happened to TG and I don't think any of my ramblings have affected the case one iota.

Should you decide to call again or vice-versa, I have no problems speaking with you or anyone else here for that matter.

ALLMO,
R

She stayed in love with Marcus from all indications. I don't know why. I can't see it but to each his own. His new girlfriend seems to be having the same problems with commitment and other things but she is on her own with that. I hope GBI checks her out for her own safety just in case, JMO. No basis but history.

I do remember speaking with you in early 2007 and all attempts to get together were hindered on your wife not being able to be there and my ex not being able to care for my daughter while I was there with you. So, it was never meant to be. I still thought you sounded like a person that I would want to meet. But, I could have been wrong.

[The R]

CP, you don't act with an open mind and look at all possibilities. You might tell yourself that, but c'mon. Do you actually read some of the things you've posted? Particularly at Websleuths (where we can't "doctor" anything? LOL)

You pick someone out, go after them with fangs, and then retreat and move onto another. Usually in a pack formation. That's not open minded. That's scary.

I wish everyone could actually CEASE the freakyness and just be OPEN MINDED to address any and all possibilities without having to be RIGHT or claim to know some secret that doesn't exist.

I commend The R for his post and his gentlemanly efforts. I truly do.

thanks for the kind comment.

FWIW I wholeheartedly agree with your statement about addressing possibilities.

ALLMO,
R

[The R]

She stayed in love with Marcus from all indications. I don't know why. I can't see it but to each his own. His new girlfriend seems to be having the same problems with commitment and other things but she is on her own with that. I hope GBI checks her out for her own safety just in case, JMO. No basis but history.

I do remember speaking with you in early 2007 and all attempts to get together were hindered on your wife not being able to be there and my ex not being able to care for my daughter while I was there with you. So, it was never meant to be. I still thought you sounded like a person that I would want to meet. But, I could have been wrong.

I can't control how you feel, nor can I control what the facts are about this case and what we all choose to believe based on what we know.

I can say that I do wish there were answers and I do hope they come soon.

ALLMO,
R

[fsbiii]

Scarlett: What are you doing?
Rhett Butler: I'm leaving you, my dear. All you need now is a divorce and your dreams of Ashley can come true.
Scarlett: Oh, no! No, you're wrong, terribly wrong! I don't want a divorce. Oh Rhett, but I knew tonight, when I... when I knew I loved you, I ran home to tell you, oh darling, darling!
Rhett Butler: Please don't go on with this, Leave us some dignity to remember out of our marriage. Spare us this last.
Scarlett: This last? Oh Rhett, do listen to me, I must have loved you for years, only I was such a stupid fool, I didn't know it. Please believe me, you must care! Melly said you did.
Rhett Butler: I believe you. What about Ashley Wilkes?
Scarlett: I... I never really loved Ashley.
Rhett Butler: You certainly gave a good imitation of it, up till this morning. No Scarlett, I tried everything. If you'd only met me half way, even when I came back from London.
Scarlett: I was so glad to see you. I was, Rhett, but you were so nasty.
Rhett Butler: And then when you were sick, it was all my fault... I hoped against hope that you'd call for me, but you didn't.
Scarlett: I wanted you. I wanted you desperately but I didn't think you wanted me.
Rhett Butler: It seems we've been at cross purposes, doesn't it? But it's no use now. As long as there was Bonnie, there was a chance that we might be happy. I liked to think that Bonnie was you, a little girl again, before the war, and poverty had done things to you. She was so like you, and I could pet her, and spoil her, as I wanted to spoil you. But when she went, she took everything.
Scarlett: Oh, Rhett, Rhett please don't say that. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry for everything.
Rhett Butler: My darling, you're such a child. You think that by saying, "I'm sorry," all the past can be corrected. Here, take my handkerchief. Never, at any crisis of your life, have I known you to have a handkerchief.
Scarlett: Rhett! Rhett, where are you going?
Rhett Butler: I'm going back to Charleston, back where I belong.
Scarlett: Please, please take me with you!
Rhett Butler: No, I'm through with everything here. I want peace. I want to see if somewhere there isn't something left in life of charm and grace. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Scarlett: No! I only know that I love you.
Rhett Butler: That's your misfortune.
[Rhett turns to walk down the stairs]
Scarlett: Oh, Rhett!
[Scarlett watches Rhett walk to the door]
Scarlett: Rhett!
[runs down the stairs after Rhett]
Scarlett: Rhett, Rhett!
[catches him as he's walking out the front door]
Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?
Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
[Rhett walks off into the fog]

[concernedperson]

thanks for the kind comment.

FWIW I wholeheartedly agree with your statement about addressing possibilities.

ALLMO,
R

When I had some questions did you not say that you didn't know fsbiii but you knew his wife? I have thought about that a lot. Without knowing what you possibly meant of course.

There is a time to quit bashing each other and just speak the truth. I doubt I can get anyone of you to do this but the R isn't denying the phone call and that is a good thing as he knows it happened. And, it can be traced for veracity.

[fsbiii]

What are you up to tonight, CP? You must not have got the same memo or phone call McKenna got today, I guess? You can't stop bashing or trashing to save your freakin' life, so drop the act. Who cares if The R talked to you on the phone? Is that some kinda tool in your arsenal now? Hell, you'll be denying it in a year just like Harriett's... *LOL*

And why are you going on about my wife? Do you really want to go down a wrong road with me?

[The R]

She stayed in love with Marcus from all indications. I don't know why. I can't see it but to each his own. His new girlfriend seems to be having the same problems with commitment and other things but she is on her own with that. I hope GBI checks her out for her own safety just in case, JMO. No basis but history.

I do remember speaking with you in early 2007 and all attempts to get together were hindered on your wife not being able to be there and my ex not being able to care for my daughter while I was there with you. So, it was never meant to be. I still thought you sounded like a person that I would want to meet. But, I could have been wrong.

One other comment CP. The statement I bolded above may be part of the reason you see Harper like you do. It seems to matter a lot to you that people should see why TG shouldn't have loved Harper. IMO this has little to do with the investigation and is almost what I see as a personal bias you have towards Harper. Have you ever truly considered this? The fact is she did love him and it doesn't really matter that he didn't reciprocate in the manner you think worthy. I think that may have something to do with many of the ladies that post and seem to hate the fact that Harper may not have shown TG the love they felt he should've.

On the other hand - and to be objective, there are posters that dislike HD because of infidelity and they let that dislike bias their thinking IMO.

Regardless, HD was in Ocilla that weekend for whatever reason and there is plenty reason to suspect him and others in the disappearance of Tara Grinstead.

ALLMO,
R

[fsbiii]

I think CP and others cast their own demons on Marcus Harper for whatever reasons that dwell in their past. Maybe they had a "Marcus" of their own, who knows... you bring up a good point, R. A damn good one, IMO.

[The R]

When I had some questions did you not say that you didn't know fsbiii but you knew his wife? I have thought about that a lot. Without knowing what you possibly meant of course.

There is a time to quit bashing each other and just speak the truth. I doubt I can get anyone of you to do this but the R isn't denying the phone call and that is a good thing as he knows it happened. And, it can be traced for veracity.

???

No I didn't say that I knew fsbiii's wife. I've never met him or his wife, but from what I know of them, the pleasure in meeting them would be mine. I only know him by PM, but they are both no doubt good and responsible citizens in their community.

R

[fsbiii]

Why thank you, R. I'm not sure what pill or bottle CP is swallowing tonight, but it's clearly almost empty. I don't get her at all. So damn mean and half cocked.

???

No I didn't say that I knew fsbiii's wife. I've never met him or his wife, but from what I know of them, the pleasure in meeting them would be mine. I only know him by PM, but they are both no doubt good and responsible citizens in their community.

R

[concernedperson]

One other comment CP. The statement I bolded above may be part of the reason you see Harper like you do. It seems to matter a lot to you that people should see why TG shouldn't have loved Harper. IMO this has little to do with the investigation and is almost what I see as a personal bias you have towards Harper. Have you ever truly considered this? The fact is she did love him and it doesn't really matter that he didn't reciprocate in the manner you think worthy. I think that may have something to do with many of the ladies that post and seem to hate the fact that Harper may not have shown TG the love they felt he should've.

On the other hand - and to be objective, there are posters that dislike HD because of infidelity and they let that dislike bias their thinking IMO.

Regardless, HD was in Ocilla that weekend for whatever reason and there is plenty reason to suspect him and others in the disappearance of Tara Grinstead.

ALLMO,
R

Infidelity is in many families and in Tara's too. From a young age and that could be part of her upbringing, just a speculation of course.Hd was in Ocilla at 12:15 on Sunday/Monday according to reports. But so was Marcus just small minutes away for most of Saturday Night/early Sunday.No one heard from Tara after 11 PM Saturday so logically thinking that is the beginning of the time frame.

[The R]

Why thank you, R. I'm not sure what pill or bottle CP is swallowing tonight, but it's clearly almost empty. I don't get her at all. So damn mean and half cocked.

YW fsbiii. I think CP may just be questioning what she believes about the case....

With that, I'm calling it a night!

ALLMO,
R

[Vera]

I can't speak for any of the other ladies, but I don't have any demons to cast. I've been lucky in life and lucky in matters of the heart.

When I offer my opinions they are based on facts and circumstances and the reasonable inferences to be drawn from them.

[fsbiii]

Some of your opinions have been based on lies and fabricated facts, Vera. You won't admit that, but anyone who's followed your trail can verify it. You've also claimed "woman's intuition" in the past when talking about Tara and Marcus' relationship. I think there's a whole lotta "you" in your thoughts about what happened in this case; there's nothing wrong with that, but admitting it would be a great feat.

[Vera]

Discounting and dismissing a stranger's differing opinions by stating they are formed from personal issues is oxymoronic..... and is really only a power play for control.

[fsbiii]

Whatever, Paula... you keep telling yourself what sounds good and you'll stay in the same boat you're in. Party of 1, sinking in this direction.... goodnight.

[Its just me]

This is what Joe Portier told Greta:

"We got up early Sunday morning and went back out to our cabin and spent Sunday out at our cabin coming back in about eight o'clock Sunday night. We didn't see any lights on in her house but her car was there that morning when we left and it was still there Sunday night when we come back."

So Faye couldn't reach the Portiers between 8pm and quarter past midnight, presuming what philosophy posted might be accurate? I don't think so. I also think JP has been quoted as saying that Faye called them one time.
"About 12:30 Sunday night her mother called and awakened us and was concerned that she hadn't been able to reach Tara by phone all day and wanted to know had we seen her."

oh boy I had a hard time finding you. Thanks for the quotes. I thought I remembered Mr. P giving a time they got home Sunday night and it didn't fit with what philosophy said about FG couldn't reach the Portiers so she called HD to drive to Ocilla to ck on Tara. Important trip to do nothing. It's would be interesting to know how FG contacted HD. Cell phone, house, or Police Department. If it happened and I sure have my doubts. It might be like the 10 phone messages compared to 24. Who knows. fep

[Its just me]

I can't speak for any of the other ladies, but I don't have any demons to cast. I've been lucky in life and lucky in matters of the heart.

When I offer my opinions they are based on facts and circumstances and the reasonable inferences to be drawn from them.

I totally disagree on both points. You may not see it but others can. fep

[NancynNC]

This is what Joe Portier told Greta:

"We got up early Sunday morning and went back out to our cabin and spent Sunday out at our cabin coming back in about eight o'clock Sunday night. We didn't see any lights on in her house but her car was there that morning when we left and it was still there Sunday night when we come back."

So Faye couldn't reach the Portiers between 8pm and quarter past midnight, presuming what philosophy posted might be accurate? I don't think so. I also think JP has been quoted as saying that Faye called them one time.

"About 12:30 Sunday night her mother called and awakened us and was concerned that she hadn't been able to reach Tara by phone all day and wanted to know had we seen her."

Around here you do not call anyone after 11pm unless it is an emergency. IMO FG knew HD was going to Ocilla to check on Tara and was waiting to hear from him, before calling the neighbors.

I can see him overlooking the glove, seems like Mr. P and the Harpers did too when they first went into the house.

[fsbiii]

Well, everyone sure slept soundly after the emergency, IMO. One day we might get the whole story from Sunday, but so far I think we've got a swiss cheese version.

[Its just me]

Well, everyone sure slept soundly after the emergency, IMO. One day we might get the whole story from Sunday, but so far I think we've got a swiss cheese version.

From Sunday into Monday. We have it said that HD contacted the GBI before the house being searched..."What did he say" ??? Well we have Rothwell saying they looked at MH first. Not a quote but basically that is what he said. Kind of interesting when you put the two together. fep

[odette]

HD did not go in the house based on what he said to .....

HD said that the glove was not in the yard at 12:15 AM Monday morning (if he is to be believed).

HD supposedly was called by Faye after she could not get JP on the phone, that is supposedly why he drove 2 hours to Ocilla.

HD told who that he did not enter Tara's house?

philosophy quote: "HD supposedly was called by Faye after she could not get JP on the phone, that is supposedly why he drove 2 hours to Ocilla."

I don't believe that FG called HD because she couldn't get JP on the phone .. C'mon, does HD really expect anyone to believe that? .. and this is why HD "supposedly" made a 4 hours round trip from Perry to Ocilla and back home again, in the middle of the night? .. all because FG couldn't get JP on the phone? .. good grief, HD must be clutching at straws to think that anyone would buy that. I certainly don't. (There will be some who believe HD .. that's their choice.)

Why was it that FG phoned the P's after midnight and just AFTER talking to HD, who was "supposedly right there in in Tara's yard, to ask them "if a car was home or if anything looked unusual"?. Did HD forget to tell FG that Tara's car was not at home when he was talking to her?.

I believe that if FG was concerned about JP OR Tara not answering the phone she would have phoned the OPD and asked them to do a welfare check.

JMHO

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../13/ng.01.html

Excerpt: HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showp...28&postcount=1

[Its just me]

HD told who that he did not enter Tara's house?

philosophy quote: "HD supposedly was called by Faye after she could not get JP on the phone, that is supposedly why he drove 2 hours to Ocilla."

I don't believe that FG called HD because she couldn't get JP on the phone .. C'mon, does HD really expect anyone to believe that? .. and this is why HD "supposedly" made a 4 hours round trip from Perry to Ocilla and back home again, in the middle of the night? .. all because FG couldn't get JP on the phone? .. good grief, HD must be clutching at straws to think that anyone would buy that. I certainly don't. (There will be some who believe HD .. that's their choice.)

Why was it that FG phoned the P's after midnight and just AFTER talking to HD, who was "supposedly right there in in Tara's yard, to ask them "if a car was home or if anything looked unusual"?. Did HD forget to tell FG that Tara's car was not at home when he was talking to her?.

I believe that if FG was concerned about JP OR Tara not answering the phone she would have phoned the OPD and asked them to do a welfare check.

JMHO

Or thought the P's and Tara were out somewhere together...They were close friends...plus it would not have been that late when FG would have "had" to have called HD for him to be in Ocilla at 12:15..The latest would have been probably around 10:30. Plus FG said she did not even get concerned until later...You don't go from not worried to full emergency worry in a short time in situations like this unless FG got a call that made her get that worried.
This picture doesn't sell or I'm not smart enough to buy it. fep

[odette]

HD told who that he did not enter Tara's house?

philosophy quote: "HD supposedly was called by Faye after she could not get JP on the phone, that is supposedly why he drove 2 hours to Ocilla."

I don't believe that FG called HD because she couldn't get JP on the phone .. C'mon, does HD really expect anyone to believe that? .. and this is why HD "supposedly" made a 4 hours round trip from Perry to Ocilla and back home again, in the middle of the night? .. all because FG couldn't get JP on the phone? .. good grief, HD must be clutching at straws to think that anyone would buy that. I certainly don't. (There will be some who believe HD .. that's their choice.)

Why was it that FG phoned the P's after midnight and just AFTER talking to HD, who was "supposedly right there in in Tara's yard, to ask them "if a car was home or if anything looked unusual"?. Did HD forget to tell FG that Tara's car was AT home when he was talking to her?.

I believe that if FG was concerned about JP OR Tara not answering the phone she would have phoned the OPD and asked them to do a welfare check.

JMHO

Edited to correct my post to say that Tara's car was AT home.

[The R]

HD told who that he did not enter Tara's house?

philosophy quote: "HD supposedly was called by Faye after she could not get JP on the phone, that is supposedly why he drove 2 hours to Ocilla."

I don't believe that FG called HD because she couldn't get JP on the phone .. C'mon, does HD really expect anyone to believe that? .. and this is why HD "supposedly" made a 4 hours round trip from Perry to Ocilla and back home again, in the middle of the night? .. all because FG couldn't get JP on the phone? .. good grief, HD must be clutching at straws to think that anyone would buy that. I certainly don't. (There will be some who believe HD .. that's their choice.)

Why was it that FG phoned the P's after midnight and just AFTER talking to HD, who was "supposedly right there in in Tara's yard, to ask them "if a car was home or if anything looked unusual"?. Did HD forget to tell FG that Tara's car was not at home when he was talking to her?.

I believe that if FG was concerned about JP OR Tara not answering the phone she would have phoned the OPD and asked them to do a welfare check.

JMHO

10-4 on your points.....ITA with the last point.

Even if Dr Phil is right about FG calling HD after she couldn't get the Portiers or whatever, why call HD at all? Why would Miss Faye call HD period? I can't figure that one out. If you fear something is wrong why wouldn't she call the OPD for instance?

ALLMO,
R

[Lodi]

10-4 on your points.....ITA with the last point.

Even if Dr Phil is right about FG calling HD after she couldn't get the Portiers or whatever, why call HD at all? Why would Miss Faye call HD period? I can't figure that one out. If you fear something is wrong why wouldn't she call the OPD for instance?

ALLMO,
R

FG loved Tara and yet she didn't call OPD. That could say that FG was not thinking seriously about Tara being in physical danger. She could be worried about Tara's mental state or the possibility that Tara might run away. She might consider these being something that OPD wouldn't handle.

[Its just me]

FG loved Tara and yet she didn't call OPD. That could say that FG was not thinking seriously about Tara being in physical danger. She could be worried about Tara's mental state or the possibility that Tara might run away. She might consider these being something that OPD wouldn't handle.

We don't know the stroy to all this but I have no doubt that if the OPD had been called they would have at least done what HD supposedly did. Knocked on the door and called FG. I totally agree that FG loved Tara very much. fep

[SaraSidle]

Okay I am confused again. Please help.
Did HD call FG at midnight or did she call him?
Was it Sat night/sundayam or sunday night/ Monday am?
And when did FG call JP at midnight?

[Lodi]

Okay I am confused again. Please help.
Did HD call FG at midnight or did she call him?
Was it Sat night/sundayam or sunday night/ Monday am?
And when did FG call JP at midnight?

I have read that HD called FG around midnight Sunday or shortly after. FG called JP shortly after that. Philosophy said that FG called HD sometime Sunday after she was unable to contact JP.

[NancynNC]

10-4 on your points.....ITA with the last point.

Even if Dr Phil is right about FG calling HD after she couldn't get the Portiers or whatever, why call HD at all? Why would Miss Faye call HD period? I can't figure that one out. If you fear something is wrong why wouldn't she call the OPD for instance?

ALLMO,
R

IMO FG may have called all of Tara's close friends that she knew of. She probably did not get so worried til the time she knew that Tara would be going to bed and she was still not answering the phone. Why wouldn't she call HD? He may have called FG earlier after he was getting no answer.

[Atok]

One "man" in this case that I haven't pinned down is the person a minor child supposedly witnessed at Tara's house that weekend. We haven't heard much about that. From what I recall Dr. Godwin was trying to track down the family and see if he could get a description from this child. Then my memory says that there was a description given that the man was wearing camouflage. What day was this supposed to have happened? What hour was the minor child told harshly to forget what they had seen? Was a sketch made or... anyone know further details?

Would this correspond with someone being at Tara's house and dropping the glove? Is this the mystery man we need to identify?

[One2Snoop]

Here's the article Atok...

Published April 18, 2006 10:25 pm - OCILLA — The sister of Tara Grinstead believes that a newly discovered witness could shed light on the teacher’s October 2005 disappearance.

New lead in Grinstead case


By Dusty Vassey

OCILLA — The sister of Tara Grinstead believes that a newly discovered witness could shed light on the teacher’s October 2005 disappearance.


Grinstead was last seen Oct. 22, 2005, and her sister Anita Gattis believes that a man spotted at the teacher’s home the following night might have had a hand in the disappearance.

Gattis said the man was spotted by a witness found recently by Dr. Maurice Godwin, a private forensic investigator researching the case.

“This is a person that we heard of shortly after Tara went missing,” Gattis said of the male witness, whose name has not been released.

She said that at first, she chalked the stories of a witness up to just a rumor — one of many that have circulated about the missing teacher. However, she said Godwin recently tracked the witness down and the man is now being interviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Gattis said that the witness tells a story that could point authorities in the direction of Grinstead’s kidnapper or killer.

The witness lived out of town and visited Grinstead’s neighbors on Oct. 23, Gattis said. She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. He described a man in his late 20s or early 30s.

She said the witness spoke to the man in the truck.

“He made a verbal contact with him,” said Gattis. “The witness said they were very hostile words.”

She said that there have been leads in tracking down the black truck driven by the suspicious man.

In a case that has garnered national media attention, it seemed unlikely that the witness had not heard of the disappearance. When asked why the man did not come forward with the information previously, Gattis said she was unsure. She said it could have been that he thought the information was insignificant or that he was afraid.

“I’m not sure if he has known and just didn’t want to get involved,” she said. “There is a fear factor involved with this case.”

snip...

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepag...yword=topstory

[crimehunter]

That can go both ways too!
That sounds odd also ..That the witness was hanging around Tara's home to see the odd truck...Like why was he/she watching Tara's place in the first place?
I have heard where the witnesses actually were the criminal using the sighting for his or her way to not be figured as the crime doer.

Thats just a thought though!

Then again she could have had someone say that to cover her but too, since she is also was considered a suspect...............

[crimehunter]

We need the investigator lady from that cold case show!

[One2Snoop]

That can go both ways too!
That sounds odd also ..That the witness was hanging around Tara's home to see the odd truck...Like why was he/she watching Tara's place in the first place?
I have heard where the witnesses actually were the criminal using the sighting for his or her way to not be figured as the crime doer.

Thats just a thought though!

Then again she could have had someone say that to cover her own but too, since she was also a suspect...............

No I don't think it goes both ways in this case. Seriously CH did you even read the article? The witness was from out of town and was visiting Tara's neighbors - I'm going to take a stab and say it was a relative of the neighbor of some sort and he had no clue that his little confrontation with whomever that night would morph into the "Disappearance of Tara Grinstead" at least thats what I get out the article posted. JMO

The witness lived out of town and visited Grinstead’s neighbors on Oct. 23, Gattis said. She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. He described a man in his late 20s or early 30s.

She said the witness spoke to the man in the truck.

“He made a verbal contact with him,” said Gattis. “The witness said they were very hostile words.”

[Its just me]

No I don't think it goes both ways in this case. Seriously CH did you even read the article? The witness was from out of town and was visiting Tara's neighbors - I'm going to take a stab and say it was a relative of the neighbor of some sort and he had no clue that his little confrontation with whomever that night would morph into the "Disappearance of Tara Grinstead" at least thats what I get out the article posted. JMO

The witness lived out of town and visited Grinstead’s neighbors on Oct. 23, Gattis said. She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. He described a man in his late 20s or early 30s.

She said the witness spoke to the man in the truck.

“He made a verbal contact with him,” said Gattis. “The witness said they were very hostile words.”

Dr.Godwin's information on this witness who had words with the guy in the truck was never ID'd because GBI didn't follow through. He said the boy told several people what happened and told them what the man said. Not a quote but one is available. Just information as I know it. fep

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The Truck ...

NANCY GRACE - Aired April 27, 2006

Excerpt: GRACE: This beauty queen-turned-high schoolteacher has been missing for months now. Finally, is there a break in the Tara Grinstead mystery?

Straight out to Robert Preston with the "Douglas Daily News." Tell me about the vehicle, now allegedly spotted parked up in her yard the night she went missing.

ROBERT PRESTON, REPORTER, "DOUGLAS DAILY NEWS": Nancy, as you know, Dr. Maurice Godwin, a forensic psychologist has been in Ocilla trying to track down any leads, any other leads that may have been overlooked in this case. Dr. Godwin identified three people who saw a black Chevrolet pickup, a late-`90s model pickup here in Tara`s yard, approximately where we`re standing right now.

Two of the people did not see anyone who may have been driving that vehicle. One of those people did. One of the person -- one the people saw the person believed to be driving this Chevrolet pickup, and actually spoke to this person, had verbal contact with him.

So now investigators are trying to track down this pickup, trying to track down whoever this person who may have been driving is.

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert, Robert, what time of the night was this?

PRESTON: The truck was seen several times during the weekend. The most recent time or the latest time it was seen was about 6:00 in the morning on October 24th when Tara was reported missing.

GRACE: To Tara Grinstead`s sister, Anita Gattis, I`m happy we`ve got tip, I`m happy we`ve got the break, Anita. But why are we just learning this?

ANITA GATTIS, MISSING TARA GRINSTEAD`S SISTER: Well, Nancy, we had heard early on about neighbors of Tara`s who saw a dark vehicle in her yard early Monday morning when they went to the convenient store. This person was interviewed by GBI police. I don`t know what they chalked that experience up to, you know, not really sure why they didn`t pursue that any further.

We`ve also found out that a teenager who saw the car had verbal contact and some profanity was exchanged. So I can understand why he`s been a little hesitant, plus he was here visiting with a neighbor who had moved a few weeks after Tara disappeared. So we had some issues in tracking him down.

While we were tracking that kid down, we found a 23-year-old man who saw the vehicle here at another point. Now, I want to make it clear: The vehicle was not here all weekend; it evidently was coming and going and came without being noticed and drawing a lot of attention, so we`re wondering if it was a vehicle that had been here before, someone that knew Tara.

GRACE: OK, let me get this straight. The vehicle was parked -- and, everyone, this is video. We went down and took ourselves to the inside of Tara Grinstead`s home. It`s exactly the way it was, the way when police came in looking for Tara.

And the point is: It`s totally in order. It is untouched. There was no struggle, nothing. Now, there was a broken lamp beside her bed, as I recall. Her necklace was found on the carpeted floor, and her radio clock was thrown off the side table beside her bed. Other than that, everything as you are seeing it right now inside Tara`s home.

Back to her sister, Anita Gattis. Now, why would someone exchange profanity with -- I assume it was a male -- the guy driving this black Chevy parked up on her yard?

GATTIS: Well, you know, that`s a big question to us, too. This kid was playing in the side street that`s next to Tara`s house. The guy was outside the truck. He looked over at him, said some profanity to the kid, so the kid, you know, takes off back inside. That`s what we don`t know: Why this was person angry just because he was recognized?

GRACE: Well, to Richard Herman, whoever is driving a black Chevy pickup -- and maybe you`re better at it than I am -- but in the middle of the night, I don`t know if I could tell a Chevy from a Ford parked up in somebody`s yard, but apparently not one, not two, but three people have observed this vehicle.

Now, Richard, you know, I don`t want to prejudge the case. I would never do a thing like that.

HERMAN: No, not you, Nancy.

GRACE: But here`s the thing: If this person isn`t connected to her disappearance, why haven`t they come forward to say, "Oh, I`m part of the time line. I can tell you she was here, there, this, that, at this time the weekend"? So why are they shrinking back?

HERMAN: You know, Nancy, this is six months after this alleged truck was in and out of that area all over that weekend. I mean, if this guy`s casing the house out in a black truck, a lot of people are going to see him.

I am sure the police have investigated this case up, down and around. And I am a little suspect about of the information about this black truck. They`ve got to investigate it. They`ve got to take every lead possible.

GRACE: Why you are suspect? Three people saw it.

HERMAN: They saw it at different times outside the house there. And, again, you asked the right question: Why would there be profanity exchange? What time did this profanity take place? And why haven`t the police interviewed this kid?

GRACE: You know what? Let`s go to the source. Anita Gattis, what time was the profanity?

GATTIS: It was late in the night.

GRACE: Like, are you talking 1:00 a.m., 11:30 p.m., what?

GATTIS: No, it was before midnight.

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