One Trip Or Two Trip

[cookiewench]

What do you think? I've never settled on a permanent theory.

I think Laci's scent at the Gallo dumpster is a big clue to a night trip. I can't see Scott putting something in there in broad daylight.

No one saw him loading umbrellas into the truck, and that would have taken a couple of trips. That would mean he had to do his dirty deed and get out of the house by about 11:00pm, though.


But, a neighbor said she saw his truck in the driveway around 4:45am, I believe. Or was it 5:45?

A night trip would explain his strange behavior the next day, if he was very tired and very worried. The way he goofed off at the warehouse sounds like he was indecisive about what to do - too jazzed to go play some alibi golf, and thinking that he should take a run back to the bay to check everything out.

[TopGunner]

Two, for sure.

[Luke Davis]

Two, for sure.

Ditto, for sure.

[cookiewench]

You think he went back the next day without the boat, or took it with him to check out the bay?

Wait a minute: if he went at night, what was the purpose of the faux fishing tackle?

[Cadillakin]

What do you think? I've never settled on a permanent theory.

I think Laci's scent at the Gallo dumpster is a big clue to a night trip. I can't see Scott putting something in there in broad daylight.

No one saw him loading umbrellas into the truck, and that would have taken a couple of trips. That would mean he had to do his dirty deed and get out of the house by about 11:00pm, though.


But, a neighbor said she saw his truck in the driveway around 4:45am, I believe. Or was it 5:45?

A night trip would explain his strange behavior the next day, if he was very tired and very worried. The way he goofed off at the warehouse sounds like he was indecisive about what to do - too jazzed to go play some alibi golf, and thinking that he should take a run back to the bay to check everything out.

I don't think the Gallo evidence was allowed.. Delucchi found fault with it.. As a resident here, I found fault with it too for other reasons.. And as to Medina's supposed sighting of Scott's truck in the driveway.. under repeated questioning, she would not specifically identify either of the vehicles as Scott's truck at 5am..

Two trips. The state of Laci's partially dressed body tells the tale. The pizza box and dressing that were left out on the counter indicates that Laci never cleaned and mopped in the morning ... Scott had already told the first police arrivals that Laci did do cleaning and mopping. In saying so, Scott was attempting to explain the buckets and mops just outside the front door to the officers.. The mops and bucket appeared to be recently used. In light of that first story he provided, Scott became cognizant of the leftover counter items while the police were moving around his house that evening and according to Brocchini, Scott removed the pizza box from view.. Then LATER, in the late night interview, Scott told the story that he had eaten pizza and drank milk to Brocchini, in an attempt to explain why last nights dinner was STILL OUT ON THE COUNTER if Laci had indeed mopped and cleaned.

Notice how Scott works the pizza into the interview with Brocchini the night of the 24th.. some 6 hours after the initial police arrival at the Peterson home. In the context of the questioning and the initial mentioning of the pizza, Scott leaps forward in time to work in an explanation for that pizza box being out... as Brocchini is clearly asking about earlier in the afternoon... I noticed also in reading the entire interview how passive Scott was.. and asserting he was damn hungry was a definite change in tone. Later on, the pizza is brought up again, as he takes it to the shower

BROCCHINI: Right. Okay did you drive straight there?
PETERSON: I did.
BROCCHINI: You stop for lunch?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: Did you buy bait?
PETERSON: Nope, I’m not a bait fisherman.
BROCCHINI: You didn’t buy no lunch, didn’t even eat nothin’?
PETERSON: Um.
BROCCHINI: Take a lunch?
PETERSON: No I didn’t. I was damn hungry for that pizza when I got home.

some other questions, some time passes in the interview, then this....

BROCCHINI: Yeah I think so. Did you, did you, you, did you start the washer?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Did you put soap?
PETERSON: Um hum. (affirmative)
BROCCHINI: Okay then what?
PETERSON: Ah grabbed some pizza from the fridge.
BROCCHINI: Took the box out?
PETERSON: Yeah put it on the counter like it was, ahh, glass of milk, then jumped in the shower.
BROCCHINI: You had a glass of milk?
PETERSON: Ah small one, yeah.
BROCCHINI: Okay, you put it in a glass?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: How many pizza did you have?
PETERSON: Ah I think just one full piece, and a half a bit of another one.
BROCCHINI: Then you took a shower?
PETERSON: [SIZE=3]Um hum. but I took some pizza in there with me, started the shower.[/SIZE]


That last line in the interview is the weirdest damn thing to say.. taking pizza to the shower... Even mentioning or remembering something so weird as that is significant to me. Why would he say THAT in an interview? Why remember such an odd detail? My guess is that Laci threw up when he killed her.. and Scott washed the regurgitation matter into the drain of the shower... In case the forensics guys found pizza bits in the drain... he had his explanation.

I'll stop here, night kill.. Scott buried her at night..

[cookiewench]

How interesting. And he told Sharon he had grabbed a piece of pizza out of the FRIDGE. Now, I'm not Martha Stewart, but I don't leave splattered dressing on the counter overnight simply because it would be so much harder to clean it up later.

I think he probably killed her while she was eating or about to eat, too.

Her inside-out blouse (the type of blouse that Laci would have taken to the cleaners, not thrown in a hamper with the home laundry) would be from him either pulling it over her head to disable her, or from pulling it off of her after he'd killed her because it needed to be there as "proof" that she'd gone to bed that night. She had other tan pants.

[cookiewench]

Oops. I meant to say that I also don't think Laci would shove the whole pizza box in the fridge. That's a college-kid type of thing to do. An efficient woman will take any leftover pieces out, wrap them up, and dispose of the box.

[Lavindar]

Oops. I meant to say that I also don't think Laci would shove the whole pizza box in the fridge. That's a college-kid type of thing to do. An efficient woman will take any leftover pieces out, wrap them up, and dispose of the box.

LOL guess that makes me a college-kid. There's another fact that no one seems to bring up in support of the two trip theory. The buoys in the Bay are lit at night for the deep water channel. Scott could have launched off Richmond (much closer to Brooks) with the launch wheels. There's a lot to support the two-trip theory. I Think it was most likely a two trip deal too - and his purpose of going to the Bay on the 24th was merely to solidify his alibi.

[Cadillakin]

PETERSON: Ah grabbed some pizza from the fridge.
BROCCHINI: Took the box out?
PETERSON: Yeah put it on the counter like it was, ahh, glass of milk, then jumped in the shower.

Notice how Scott stumbles and changes directions when talking about the pizza box.. "Yeah put it on the counter like it was ______ (Where was he going with that?)

Another thing that Scott does in the interview with Brocchini; he often leaves out the pronoun, "I", as if that will somehow make him seem less involved.. It's easily noticed that his language isn't right. He's pretty easy to read...

[Cadillakin]

I strongly believe Scott didn't have the boat with him on the 24th, in the morning/afternoon. I base this on the fact that Scott invented interactions with the park employees (bumping into the pylon and them laughing at him)to Brocchini.

Those employees were all known and all testified.. The Geragos team did not even attempt to question them and verify that Scott was THERE on a short, innocuous fishing trip.. Why? Because he wasn't there with the boat. He was watching, watching.. He knew they were there, so he made up the lie to Brocchini, but they NEVER SAW HIM.

There is no other possible or reasonable explanation why the employees were not questioned about seeing Scott. THAT WAS HIS ALIBI.. Geragos might have said...

Geragos: And you saw Scott with his boat...
Employee; YES
Geragos: And you saw nothing odd, just a normal guy fishing, right?
Employee: Right..
Geragos: Did he look like he was hiding a body in that small boat?
Employee: No, I could see nothing like that.

If that testimony would have occurred, the jury would have hung..

But not one single solitary person saw Scott in the afternoon that day.. NONE. ZERO.. No evidence of any boat. Not one person can vouch for anything he says about hooking up the boat or traveling to the bay and fishing...

[Lavindar]

I strongly believe Scott didn't have the boat with him on the 24th, in the morning/afternoon. I base this on the fact that Scott invented interactions with the park employees (bumping into the pylon and them laughing at him)to Brocchini.

Those employees were all known and all testified.. The Geragos team did not even attempt to question them and verify that Scott was THERE on a short, innocuous fishing trip.. Why? Because he wasn't there with the boat. He was watching, watching.. He knew they were there, so he made up the lie to Brocchini, but they NEVER SAW HIM.

There is no other possible or reasonable explanation why the employees were not questioned about seeing Scott. THAT WAS HIS ALIBI.. Geragos might have said...

Geragos: And you saw Scott with his boat...
Employee; YES
Geragos: And you saw nothing odd, just a normal guy fishing, right?
Employee: Right..
Geragos: Did he look like he was hiding a body in that small boat?
Employee: No, I could see nothing like that.

If that testimony would have occurred, the jury would have hung..

But not one single solitary person saw Scott in the afternoon that day.. NONE. ZERO.. No evidence of any boat. Not one person can vouch for anything he says about hooking up the boat or traveling to the bay and fishing...

Yet Geragos got it out in the media that he had been seen.

[cookiewench]

Notice how Scott stumbles and changes directions when talking about the pizza box.. "Yeah put it on the counter like it was ______ (Where was he going with that?)

Another thing that Scott does in the interview with Brocchini; he often leaves out the pronoun, "I", as if that will somehow make him seem less involved.. It's easily noticed that his language isn't right. He's pretty easy to read...

Arggghh: that reminds me of two "Petersonisms" that drive me batty and that also are very telling.

One of them is the use of the word "we", although they never qualify who "we" is, and I guess we're supposed to think this means all of the Petersons. Even on his personal website, Scott talks about how "we" are encouraged by all the support, blah blah.....not "my family and I". It's like none of them are capable of being an individual and speaking as an individual.

The other one is the phrase "no question". It's a negative phrase, not a positive one, and they use it instead of "yes", or "sure" or "that is correct". It's like, instead of confirming whatever it is they were asked, they're putting up their hand and saying "no more questions!".

Jackie - Janey - Lee - Scott - they ALL use these two forms of speech.

[One2Snoop]

Cheers to you cookiewench for starting this topic and here I thought I was the only one who believed in the two trip theory. I've always been a firm believer that it took two trips, simply because there isn't any possible way Scott could dispose of Laci and Conner in broad daylight without someone seeing him. I always wondered what the cell phone records showed the evening of the 23rd after 9 pm. The only reason I can think of why the prosecution didn't go with this two trip theory is because SP left his cell phone at home that night or had it turned off. No traceable activity.

IMO, JMO.

[Rachel Cory]

I strongly believe Scott didn't have the boat with him on the 24th, in the morning/afternoon. I base this on the fact that Scott invented interactions with the park employees (bumping into the pylon and them laughing at him)to Brocchini.

Those employees were all known and all testified.. The Geragos team did not even attempt to question them and verify that Scott was THERE on a short, innocuous fishing trip.. Why? Because he wasn't there with the boat. He was watching, watching.. He knew they were there, so he made up the lie to Brocchini, but they NEVER SAW HIM.

There is no other possible or reasonable explanation why the employees were not questioned about seeing Scott. THAT WAS HIS ALIBI.. Geragos might have said...

Geragos: And you saw Scott with his boat...
Employee; YES
Geragos: And you saw nothing odd, just a normal guy fishing, right?
Employee: Right..
Geragos: Did he look like he was hiding a body in that small boat?
Employee: No, I could see nothing like that.

If that testimony would have occurred, the jury would have hung..

But not one single solitary person saw Scott in the afternoon that day.. NONE. ZERO.. No evidence of any boat. Not one person can vouch for anything he says about hooking up the boat or traveling to the bay and fishing...

I'm assuming you are not posting the above as fact. That might confuse some people.

[cookiewench]

I'm assuming you are not posting the above as fact. That might confuse some people.

Do you know someone who saw Scott at the marina that day?

[Cadillakin]

I'm assuming you are not posting the above as fact. That might confuse some people.

If you're referring to the NG's, don't worry, I won't confuse them.. They're already confused...

[Lavindar]

I'm assuming you are not posting the above as fact. That might confuse some people.

People are talking about their beliefs, not some "evidence" that Scott is innocent. I don't see anyone saying it is a fact. They are speculating, just as we believe you are speculating on your van stealing laci as she entered the park. We still are waiting on your source for that information.

[Cadillakin]

People are talking about their beliefs, not some "evidence" that Scott is innocent. I don't see anyone saying it is a fact. They are speculating, just as we believe you are speculating on your van stealing laci as she entered the park. We still are waiting on your source for that information.

With one important difference, I based my speculation on the trial proceedings, on some facts..

[Cadillakin]

I have a question...

Most of us in the Guilty camp believe Scott took two trips.. The reasons vary a bit between us for the second trip...

My question is; If in fact Scott did kill Laci at night, came back home, and went back again.. why would he take his boat? Think about it.. If he decided to take the boat on his second trip to the Bay for some kind of fishing alibi.. would he not make 100% sure he had witnesses that saw him in the boat and going out fishing?

Scott had no witnesses..He lied about it.. There would be no reason to lie about the workers and make up a story if he had the boat and really went fishing. On that deserted day, a simple hello to a couple of them would have sealed his fishing alibi.

[Lavindar]

With one important difference, I based my speculation on the trial proceedings, on some facts..

Point taken.

[accordn2me]

Cheers to you cookiewench for starting this topic and here I thought I was the only one who believed in the two trip theory. I've always been a firm believer that it took two trips, simply because there isn't any possible way Scott could dispose of Laci and Conner in broad daylight without someone seeing him. I always wondered what the cell phone records showed the evening of the 23rd after 9 pm. The only reason I can think of why the prosecution didn't go with this two trip theory is because SP left his cell phone at home that night or had it turned off. No traceable activity.

IMO, JMO.

I respectfully disagree. (snicker)

[Cadillakin]

I respectfully disagree.

Why do you disagree?

[Cadillakin]

BROCCHINI: Right. Okay did you drive straight there?
PETERSON: I did.
BROCCHINI: You stop for lunch?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: Did you buy bait?
PETERSON: Nope, I’m not a bait fisherman.
BROCCHINI: You didn’t buy no lunch, didn’t even eat nothin’?
PETERSON: Um.
BROCCHINI: Take a lunch?
PETERSON: No I didn’t. I was damn hungry for that pizza when I got home.

some other questions, some time passes in the interview, then this....

BROCCHINI: Yeah I think so. Did you, did you, you, did you start the washer?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Did you put soap?
PETERSON: Um hum. (affirmative)
BROCCHINI: Okay then what?
PETERSON: Ah grabbed some pizza from the fridge.
BROCCHINI: Took the box out?
PETERSON: Yeah put it on the counter like it was, ahh, glass of milk, then jumped in the shower.
BROCCHINI: You had a glass of milk?
PETERSON: Ah small one, yeah.
BROCCHINI: Okay, you put it in a glass?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: How many pizza did you have?
PETERSON: Ah I think just one full piece, and a half a bit of another one.

I just noticed that at the begining of the Brocchini interview when Scott is trying to explain why the pizza was out on the counter, he asserted to Brocchini that while fishing or on his way back, he was damn hungry for that pizza.. A few minutes later when Brocchini asked him how much he ate, he said one piece, or a piece and a half.. Hmmm.. Not much of an appetite for a guy who said he could hardly wait to get at that pizza...

If I would have posted this in the early days of the trial, ten NG.s would have sworn that it was the Jumbo-HeMan Pizza that he bought at Mountain Mikes... with each piece weighiing over 2 lbs.

Catching Scott in a lie is such a ho-hum deal. Almost everything he says is a lie or contradicts known facts. Can you believe that Marlene once asserted that Scott never lied about anything except for the affair... She's a smart one, that Marlene.

[accordn2me]

Why do you disagree?

I don't believe there were thousands of bay watchers on their balconies with telescopes and binoculars on that Christmas Eve. I posted some pics on the "Blowing off Steam" thread of a trip we took in a 14' boat. We weren't that far off shore at all. The chances that anyone could see what you are doing, even with binoculars, is very slim...to none.

[Luke Davis]

I don't believe there were thousands of bay watchers on their balconies with telescopes and binoculars on that Christmas Eve. I posted some pics on the "Blowing off Steam" thread of a trip we took in a 14' boat. We weren't that far off shore at all. The chances that anyone could see what you are doing, even with binoculars, is very slim...to none.

IIRC There were video cameras at the Berkeley Marina and there were dozens of National Guard troops on the bridges. There was an alert for a mysterious Zodiac boat.

Still, probably no one would have paid attention to a loan fisherman in a boat.

[Cadillakin]

I don't believe there were thousands of bay watchers on their balconies with telescopes and binoculars on that Christmas Eve. I posted some pics on the "Blowing off Steam" thread of a trip we took in a 14' boat. We weren't that far off shore at all. The chances that anyone could see what you are doing, even with binoculars, is very slim...to none.

In fact, the place was deserted, with only a few people buying parking tickets in the days preceding and afterwards.. The park workers testifed to that.. Ideal conditions as you suggest.. just as Scott would have wanted.. But it's unlikely Scott would have known those conditions existed.. He did check the tides.. low tide at 3am.. When we check the tides, that's what we are looking at, low and high tides... Wading boots and camouflage jacket were in his bag..

So, do you think Scott killed her at night, then basically let the cover of darkness pass him by.. exposing himself to the neighbors being able to see him hoisting her body into the truck.. and the tenants that he worked along side in adjoining warehouse space, being able to see him remove her from the truck to get her into the warehouse? Because there was no other way! Scott's back gate did not wheel open to let the truck in, it was a walk thru gate for people.. so Laci had to come thru that gate in broad daylight and into the back of his truck in a partially open, exposed place.. There is no other way.. We know from the evidence photos, his warehouse was full with the boat already inside, so the truck could not get inside... We know the boat stayed inside during the prep, because it had cement dust and debris all over it.. so the truck did not go inside.. Impossible. So Laci would have had to be lifted out of the back and carried or dragged into the warehouse thru the big door... Let's see.. a long body-size package being lifted out of his truck in broad daylight the day his wife goes missing.. That's tough to explain..

Some of the tenants were likely there.. I worked on Christmas Eve.. A lot of people work on Christmas Eve. Most of them start work at 7 or 8 am. I know some of those people. I used to solicit business in that warehouse area..

So, he sat on her all night.. watching porn or taking cat naps till the morning.. and when morning came, he waited till 10 am to even begin to move her...I can't fathom that at all.. It's dark till 7am in Modesto in December. After that, he can be seen..

At the bay, he had to back his truck and boat down the boating ramp.. Other people might/would be there.. If anybody saw him setting off with his boat cover still on the front, that would bust him for sure.. or if they saw him, even from a distance, throwing something large overboard, he would be a cooked goose.

Do you think Scott would have checked his email and his Ebay account with the Ping Golf Bag for sale, gone to his warehouse and sent another mail to his boss if the deed wasn't already done.. The NG's love to use that argument, but they pretend it was Laci on the computer at the house... ..

I don't know about you... but if I kill somebody, I'm not going to sit around the house in broad daylight with her body on the floor next to me surfing the web, selling my golf bag... sending friendly emails.. I'll do that stuff when Im finished.. but not while she needs to be disposed of and buried. What if somebody came over.. What if Sharon arrived and wanted to talk to her.. was worried about her.. or one of her friends did the same, and Scott had to make up a story how she walked away a few minutes ago.. Walked where? It's cold outside, why didnt she take her car? Does she have her cell? Where Scott, where did she go? It was Christmas Eve.. visitors do arrive.. Family comes over..

There is more, but I'll leave it at that. You're entitled to disagree.

[deputydi]

I have a question...

Most of us in the Guilty camp believe Scott took two trips.. The reasons vary a bit between us for the second trip...

My question is; If in fact Scott did kill Laci at night, came back home, and went back again.. why would he take his boat? Think about it.. If he decided to take the boat on his second trip to the Bay for some kind of fishing alibi.. would he not make 100% sure he had witnesses that saw him in the boat and going out fishing?

Scott had no witnesses..He lied about it.. There would be no reason to lie about the workers and make up a story if he had the boat and really went fishing. On that deserted day, a simple hello to a couple of them would have sealed his fishing alibi.

I am a firm believer in the two trip theory. IMO, the reason he took the boat with him on the second trip was to go back to the area where he dumped Laci and he couldn't do that on foot. He had to make sure (in the daylight) that she hadn't floated to the surface and he hadn't left any evidence behind.

I've always believed that his real intention was to dump her body at night and then go golfing as planned the next day. No one would ever have to know he was anywhere near the marina and he knew without a doubt her body wouldn't be found anywhere close to where he could prove to have been all day. I think he got worried about what he may have left behind and felt compelled to go back. I truly don't believe he ever intended "fishing" to be his alibi. On the second trip I think he was worried that someone may have seen him and he had no one to testify he was at the golf course.

[Lavindar]

I am a firm believer in the two trip theory. IMO, the reason he took the boat with him on the second trip was to go back to the area where he dumped Laci and he couldn't do that on foot. He had to make sure (in the daylight) that she hadn't floated to the surface and he hadn't left any evidence behind.

I've always believed that his real intention was to dump her body at night and then go golfing as planned the next day. No one would ever have to know he was anywhere near the marina and he knew without a doubt her body wouldn't be found anywhere close to where he could prove to have been all day. I think he got worried about what he may have left behind and felt compelled to go back. I truly don't believe he ever intended "fishing" to be his alibi. On the second trip I think he was worried that someone may have seen him and he had no one to testify he was at the golf course.

Wasn't there something missing from his boat - a seat cushion or life preserver or something? That could account for his return trip - to try to find it. Just speculating.

[deputydi]

Wasn't there something missing from his boat - a seat cushion or life preserver or something? That could account for his return trip - to try to find it. Just speculating.

I vaguely remember something missing from the boat, but I don't remember what it was. I agree -- he wasn't sure he had covered all his tracks so he felt compelled to go "fishing". His statement explaining he made the "last minute decision to go fishing because it was too cold to golf" never, ever made sense to me.

[Cadillakin]

I am a firm believer in the two trip theory. IMO, the reason he took the boat with him on the second trip was to go back to the area where he dumped Laci and he couldn't do that on foot. He had to make sure (in the daylight) that she hadn't floated to the surface and he hadn't left any evidence behind.

I've always believed that his real intention was to dump her body at night and then go golfing as planned the next day. No one would ever have to know he was anywhere near the marina and he knew without a doubt her body wouldn't be found anywhere close to where he could prove to have been all day. I think he got worried about what he may have left behind and felt compelled to go back. I truly don't believe he ever intended "fishing" to be his alibi. On the second trip I think he was worried that someone may have seen him and he had no one to testify he was at the golf course.

Ok, all that is reasonable.. I agree with you mostly, but tell me why you think Scott told Brocchini that he interacted with the maintenance workers when he backed into the pylon and they laughed at him? Why would he invent a story of his boat hitting the pylon, the park workers seeing that and laughing at him. Those men, all of the men on duty testified. There was no interaction or knowledge of Scott. There can be no mistake on this.. because within days of the 24th, the police were swarming the area asking everybody about Scott. If the workers saw him or his very distinct short-bed truck with a large green toolbox, they would have remembered.

Scott also said he talked to a couple of guys who asked him if he caught anything.. and neither of those guys came forward either, despite the massive publicity.. Probably a made-up story, as well. Maybe they moved to Mars afterwards and never heard of Scott dumping his wife in the marina... So, you see, the first lie to Brocchini is about his boat bumping into the pylon.. the second lie he tells he was supposedly coming in after fishing, and some men asked him about his fishing luck.. For reasons known only to him, Scott felt he had to invent an alibi for the boat being present and for his fishing.. That's how I see it...

But let's not get sidetracked.. Tell me why you think Scott lied about the park workers seeing him with his truck and boat? Why?. He had already forked over the ticket from the parking lot with the proper date proving he was there.. so why does he have to lie about the boat and his fishing?

[deputydi]

Ok, all that is reasonable.. I agree with you mostly, but tell me why you think Scott told Brocchini that he interacted with the maintenance workers when he backed into the pylon and they laughed at him? Why would he invent a story of his boat hitting the pylon, the park workers seeing that and laughing at him. Those men, all of the men on duty testified. There was no interaction or knowledge of Scott. There can be no mistake on this.. because within days of the 24th, the police were swarming the area asking everybody about Scott. If the workers saw him or his very distinct short-bed truck with a large green toolbox, they would have remembered.

Scott is a pathological liar. He is slicker at making up stories on the spot than anyone I have every known. He probably thought it would make his story sound more believable if someone had seen him. Or, maybe, he actually thought they had seen him. The backing into the pylon thing may or may not have happened -- every good lie has a thread of truth running through it. The fact that didn't remember him either didn't concern him or he just didn't think about it at all.

Scott also said he talked to a couple of guys who asked him if he caught anything.. and neither of those guys came forward either, despite the massive publicity.. Probably a made-up story, as well. Maybe they moved to Mars afterwards and never heard of Scott dumping his wife in the marina... So, you see, the first lie to Brocchini is about his boat bumping into the pylon.. the second lie he tells he was supposedly coming in after fishing, and some men asked him about his fishing luck.. For reasons known only to him, Scott felt he had to invent an alibi for the boat being present and for his fishing.. That's how I see it...

You can tell Scott's lying when you look at him and his mouth is moving.

But let's not get sidetracked.. Tell me why you think Scott lied about the park workers seeing him with his truck and boat? Why?. He had already forked over the ticket from the parking lot with the proper date proving he was there.. so why does he have to lie about the boat and his fishing?

Again -- pathological liars just can't help embellishing a good story. Sure, he had the proof but this would be further "proof" and it made his story sound a whole lot more interesting. Remember Francois and Pasqual -- were they really necessary to his Paris story?

[Cadillakin]

I am a firm believer in the two trip theory. IMO, the reason he took the boat with him on the second trip was to go back to the area where he dumped Laci and he couldn't do that on foot.

Upon reflecting.. I don't think going back to the secret place where you buried your spouse when you can be seen is a good idea at all.. if only for the fact, if somebody sees you there, the police search will probably commence in that very spot.. He might have gone just 30 minutes away from Modesto in another direction and got himself a fishing alibi...

Also, when arrested, Scott had a pair of binoculars with him.

[Luke Davis]

I vaguely remember something missing from the boat, but I don't remember what it was. I agree -- he wasn't sure he had covered all his tracks so he felt compelled to go "fishing". His statement explaining he made the "last minute decision to go fishing because it was too cold to golf" never, ever made sense to me.

IIRC a life vest was reported missing but later found in the warehouse. Also, there were scratches on the boat and trailer, which may be why SP made up the pylon story.

[deputydi]

Upon reflecting.. I don't think going back to the secret place where you buried your spouse when you can be seen is a good idea at all.. if only for the fact, if somebody sees you there, the police search will probably commence in that very spot.. He might have gone just 30 minutes away from Modesto in another direction and got himself a fishing alibi...

Also, when arrested, Scott had a pair of binoculars with him.

You're right that it's not a good idea -- but neither is killing your spouse. Scott didn't much care if someone saw him in the daylight because he had already decided to change his alibi from golfing to fishing. Anyone seeing him would assume he was just out boating. Kind of an odd thing to do in Dec, but maybe it isn't odd in CA.

[Cadillakin]

IIRC a life vest was reported missing but later found in the warehouse. Also, there were scratches on the boat and trailer, which may be why SP made up the pylon story.

Luke.. my friend, we went over this before.. two life jackets were in the boat when Scott purchased it. One was lost and never found.. The other was in the warehouse.

[Luke Davis]

You're right that it's not a good idea -- but neither is killing your spouse. Scott didn't much care if someone saw him in the daylight because he had already decided to change his alibi from golfing to fishing. Anyone seeing him would assume he was just out boating. Kind of an odd thing to do in Dec, but maybe it isn't odd in CA.

Not odd at all, even Ron went fishing.

[Luke Davis]

Luke.. my friend, we went over this before.. two life jackets were in the boat when Scott purchased it. One was lost and never found.. The other was in the warehouse.

SP said it was lost?

[Cadillakin]

You're right that it's not a good idea -- but neither is killing your spouse. Scott didn't much care if someone saw him in the daylight because he had already decided to change his alibi from golfing to fishing. Anyone seeing him would assume he was just out boating. Kind of an odd thing to do in Dec, but maybe it isn't odd in CA.

Well, if he went to get an alibi, perhaps he should have let a somebody see him, or he could have talked to at least one person, , i.e... ask an employee for directions to the bathroom.., or ran around his truck naked.. because not a single person vouches that Scott was at the Bay. Nor did anybody see his truck or boat...So, I doubt that he went there to get an alibi...

Nope.. Even a dumb guy like Scott knows that to have an alibi, somebody must be able to vouch for your presence...

[deputydi]

Well, if he went to get an alibi, perhaps he should have let a somebody see him, or he could have talked to at least one person, , i.e... ask an employee for directions to the bathroom.., or ran around his truck naked.. because not a single person vouches that Scott was at the Bay. Nor did anybody see his truck or boat...So, I doubt that he went there to get an alibi...

Nope.. Even a dumb guy like Scott knows that to have an alibi, somebody must be able to vouch for your presence...

Nope . . . he had a time stamped receipt proving that he was there. I'm just saying that it didn't matter whether anyone did or did not see him. If someone actually saw him, fine. If no one saw him he still had the parking receipt.

At this point IMO, he wasn't trying to hide his whereabouts. He had already dumped Laci into the Bay and his only mission on the second trip was to make sure she stayed where he had put her. Anyone seeing him on the second trip wouldn't have seen him doing anything suspicious.

[Luke Davis]

He should have been on the cam and made a call to friends and waved at them. I remember watching the search for Laci on some of the bay cams.

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