OMG!! Boy Forced Into Sex With Mom

[Hey Paula]

Reportedly the woman is from Haiti and identifies herself as asian. Early reports may be in error but I believe the woman.

Luke, I believe the woman said "Haitian", not Asian. (The two words sound almost the same).

IMO

[Mishell1383]

"I tell him it doesn't matter, to save your life child, to do it. I know you love me, and I love you too, but you have to protect yourself."

When the attackers finally left, mother and son laid there together, sobbing in the bathroom.

This woman is remarkable to have had the courage to look at her son and say these words to him while there is a gun to his head and he is laying on top of her.

And in the aftermath to tell him you need to try to be a better person than them. There is still love in this world.. I know many remarkable Haitian women and know I know another.

I don't mean to nit pick on the details, but did he have to have sex with his mother or did she have to perform oral sex? Because from her statement she said she told him she loved him while she had to perform oral. So I was wondering if maybe he didn't have to rape his mother?

What happened next, is heart-breaking as the mother is forced at gunpoint to perform oral sex on her own son.

"I tell him it doesn't matter, to save your life child, to do it. I know you love me, and I love you too, but you have to protect yourself."

When the attackers finally left, mother and son laid there together, sobbing in the bathroom.

Too scared to get up, too shocked to even call police.

[Hey Paula]

Hello Atok..
Excellent, thoughtful, informed post. I agree with all you stated, here.

I agree completely!

Atok's post is an excellent one indeed!

IMO

[One2Snoop]

For those who have very little money and are trying to make a better life for themselves unfortunately they have no other alternative than to live in these conditions. I highly doubt this horrific incident will change anything for Dunbar Village seeing as how its been referred to as "Hell" for quite sometime now. For the sake and safety of the people who do live there, all I can do is ask why a city would allow such an existence?

Snipped from the linked article above....

Welcome to Dunbar Village, a place residents call hell.

Built in 1940 to house poor blacks in then-segregated West Palm Beach, Dunbar Village's 226 units sit blocks from million-dollar condos.

The public housing project's buildings are spread across 17 acres. The average rent is about $150 a month.

[Mishell1383]

For those who have very little money and are trying to make a better life for themselves unfortunately they have no other alternative than to live in these conditions. I highly doubt this horrific incident will change anything for Dunbar Village seeing as how its been referred to as "Hell" for quite sometime now. For the sake and safety of the people who do live there, all I can do is ask why a city would allow such an existence?

Snipped from the linked article above....

Thank you for this O2S!

[Atok]

For those who have very little money and are trying to make a better life for themselves unfortunately they have no other alternative than to live in these conditions. I highly doubt this horrific incident will change anything for Dunbar Village seeing as how its been referred to as "Hell" for quite sometime now. For the sake and safety of the people who do live there, all I can do is ask why a city would allow such an existence?

Snipped from the linked article above....

It's a public housing project which means it was created and thus should be maintained by the taxes of the citizenry. Where are the people in charge of the oversight for this community, such as security patrol, neighborhood watch, maintenance issues, rent collection? Are there any? When it was built in 1940 what was set up... anything? Or was it built to whatever codes exisited and they dumped people there and washed their hands of them? (At least they have a roof over their poor black heads...) How strict are the eviction policies?

Where do we put people that can't abide by the rules of society when the jails are full or "more dangerous criminals?" I in no way mean to infer that people forced to live in these situations are automatically people who refuse to abide by rules. I want there to be known there is a difference. But what do we do with the ones who won't?

Seems like we need a way of dealing with societal rejects before they become societies criminals. Rewarding them with room and board and free medical care doesn't seem fair to those who do follow the rules.

[Sharona]

I think their punishment should be to have their "weapon of choice" surgically removed so they can't do this to anyone else.

[imanewsjunkie]

This is a horribly disturbing story. The mother's strength and courage through this is amazing. My thoughts go out to them through their very long recovery from this brutal incident.

[Luke Davis]

Luke, I believe the woman said "Haitian", not Asian. (The two words sound almost the same).

IMO

Thanks Paula, from the context I took it the wrong way.

[Luke Davis]

It's a public housing project which means it was created and thus should be maintained by the taxes of the citizenry. Where are the people in charge of the oversight for this community, such as security patrol, neighborhood watch, maintenance issues, rent collection? Are there any? When it was built in 1940 what was set up... anything? Or was it built to whatever codes exisited and they dumped people there and washed their hands of them? (At least they have a roof over their poor black heads...) How strict are the eviction policies?

Where do we put people that can't abide by the rules of society when the jails are full or "more dangerous criminals?" I in no way mean to infer that people forced to live in these situations are automatically people who refuse to abide by rules. I want there to be known there is a difference. But what do we do with the ones who won't?

Seems like we need a way of dealing with societal rejects before they become societies criminals. Rewarding them with room and board and free medical care doesn't seem fair to those who do follow the rules.

Conta Costa

He dropped out of school after spending three years in seventh grade. The family lives on food stamps and recently had to pawn their television and radio, Ruby Walker said.

"I just feel like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ... My son is not a rapist," she said.

Ruby Walker said she herself was raped twice, at ages 7 and 12. She said that just days before the Dunbar attack, someone tried to rape her again, and "my son came to me crying and said he wouldn't ever do that to anyone."

She has had her own problems with the law—at least nine arrests on charges such as disorderly conduct, aggravated assault and battery, according to state records.

Avion Lawson was a headstrong kid, never listening to his mother, said his cousin, Cassandra Ellis.

"I knew he was bad, but I never pictured him to be that type of bad," Ellis said. She said one traumatic experience may have scarred him—watching his older sister fatally stab a boyfriend.

"It was an accident. She killed her boyfriend. They was fighting, there was a knife," Ellis said. "He was there when it happened."

———

City officials are quick to note that neither Lawson nor Walker lived at Dunbar, and say they are doing their best to make the place safe.

As quickly as overhead lights can be replaced, they are shot out, so officials are now considering bulletproof lighting.

"Isn't that quite a commentary on what the situation is there?" said City Commissioner Molly Douglas, whose district includes part of Dunbar. "Dunbar Village is a hell hole. They shouldn't have to live in fear."

More officers are hitting the streets, but "I just bow my head sometimes and think we just couldn't possibly have enough officers ever to take care of all of this," Douglas said.

Laurel Robinson, head of the city's housing authority, said that up until about four years ago, the federal government provided the city with $160,000 a year for security in public housing projects, but Congress did away with the money.

"Every family housing project in the country has suffered because of it," she said.

Snitches get stitches, they say. Or worse.

[Atok]

Conta Costa



Snitches get stitches, they say. Or worse.

Thanks for the information. It seems like $160,000 was meant to go to Dunbar and the Federal goverment cut those funds. Does this mean they cut them from a state request for federal aid? Where do the state taxes go as far as supporting blighted communities like Dunbar, I wonder? I wonder how much per year is allocated to develop any security or enforcement programs for these communities. I would also be interested in how much was allocated last year and how/what it was spent on. Bet it would be an eye opener for some local news team to get in the records of.

Maybe this case can bring out an investigative journalist to inquire about those types of things locally? Just as a segment even on "How your tax money is spent." The best way I can see for focusing on these issues in one small patch of hell at a time. With the residents mandated to assist to the best of their abilities. Most of the community block projects I have seen have come out of concerned residents deciding that they won't take it anymore and they get active for their own lives and proposition the community leaders and deeper pockets to get behind the redevelopment.

The fear is killing these people.

"I'm in by 7, I don't come out."
"Snitches get stitches."
"We never wanted to end up in Dunbar."
"Hell."
"We'll never have enough police force to fix this place."
"A woman was raped, so what! We got much worse crime here."

Something has to give... and it seems the sacrifice is innocence and humanity.

[frydaddy]

Thanks for the information. It seems like $160,000 was meant to go to Dunbar and the Federal goverment cut those funds. Does this mean they cut them from a state request for federal aid? Where do the state taxes go as far as supporting blighted communities like Dunbar, I wonder? I wonder how much per year is allocated to develop any security or enforcement programs for these communities. I would also be interested in how much was allocated last year and how/what it was spent on. Bet it would be an eye opener for some local news team to get in the records of.

Maybe this case can bring out an investigative journalist to inquire about those types of things locally? Just as a segment even on "How your tax money is spent." The best way I can see for focusing on these issues in one small patch of hell at a time. With the residents mandated to assist to the best of their abilities. Most of the community block projects I have seen have come out of concerned residents deciding that they won't take it anymore and they get active for their own lives and proposition the community leaders and deeper pockets to get behind the redevelopment.

The fear is killing these people.

"I'm in by 7, I don't come out."
"Snitches get stitches."
"We never wanted to end up in Dunbar."
"Hell."
"We'll never have enough police force to fix this place."
"A woman was raped, so what! We got much worse crime here."

Something has to give... and it seems the sacrifice is innocence and humanity.

Agree with this! And these comments are for all, just chose your post to jump in.

What would $160 large buy? Four cops working 12 hour shifts? How long before THAT causes problems? Who besides me feels like these mass housing projects are a huge mistake. Somewhere, someone decided to funnel all the poor people into a small area. Was this to make it easier to monitor them? Easier to provide more housing to them collectively, cheaper and faster? Or was it just to get them centralized AWAY from those who don't want to be bothered with them? Having so many people in such a confined space, under so much duress, without any type of regular control, what should we expect? Especially as some people's values APPEAR to be rapidly receding.

Heck, twice I've had a manifesto of sorts typed up about the many issues this story conjures up. Then I realize that with each topic, there's sub-topics. Soon I realize I have diarrhea of the mouth (fingers). The welfare system, racism, immigration, criminal justice, politics - how many am I overlooking - topics that come to mind in the background of this story. Then who qualifies for welfare, what should be changed, what positive and negative effects are there, etc. I think many of us could go on for hours if time allowed.

Just thinking out loud here, I'm pretty opinionated, but certainly not educated or objective enough on the surface to be locked in to one school of thought. While I haven't totally agreed with every word posted on this thread, I appreciate the effort and insight provided by all. Thanks for that!

[adnoid]

I think their punishment should be to have their "weapon of choice" surgically removed so they can't do this to anyone else.

While agree with you goals, I think a rusty pair of pliers would be more appropriate.

[ExLiberal]

Somewhere, someone decided to funnel all the poor people into a small area. Was this to make it easier to monitor them? Easier to provide more housing to them collectively, cheaper and faster? Or was it just to get them centralized AWAY from those who don't want to be bothered with them?

It sure seems like that, but the story is much more complicated.

The history of public housing is interesting, and not necessarily what you'd think. Unfortunately, the projects (like Dunbar) were constructed against the advice of many social scientists, by people whose vision was first one of simply "tear down the slums" and put the poor in "new" housing, without regard to the vibrancy of the old neighborhood, and after the war one of then-trendy European socialism. So over the protests of Americans who knew better, the deep thinkers in Washington hired European socialist architects to design projects. The result was high-rise monstrosities designed with, let's say, "the Polish worker" in mind: a hard-working, submissive, devout member of a social class that had for centuries been doing what the nobility ordered. Needless to say, this design did not work for Americans, black or white, and the high-rises soon became intolerable. (Google "Pruitt-Igoe" to see zillions of photographs of the famous demolition of perhaps the best example of failed public housing.)

Some of the worst social policy in American history was based on the notion that places upper West Side liberals thought looked "blighted" should be torn down and the people warehoused. There was absolutely no thought to how human beings would behave in such housing. The assumption was that the submissive poor would be grateful and live quietly and peacefully.

We see the frustration today among the European elites: "We gave them (crummy) food, (minimal) shelter, and (lousy) free medical care—why are they rioting?"

As everyone knows, many southern black people moved north during the Second World War, as good-paying jobs had opened up in the cities. Housing had to be built for them. Detroit suffered horrendous "Negro riots" after the government went back and forth on who would get to live in a huge new housing project: blacks or whites. I have forgotten the details, but they're certainly available, though you won't find them in your typical high school feel-good "social studies" text.


Hey!—"Security Guard Wanted. Dunbar Homes, West Palm Beach. $80,000 Yearly."

Any takers?

[beachgirl40]

My God, I don't even know how to put my thoughts into words. Everytime I read a little more about this atrocity, I cry again. This poor child, to be exposed to these horrible acts, at such a tender age. I fear for his mental/emotional and spiritual health. What a brave & loving mother! I have the utmost admiration for her.

As to the death penalty, these little monsters deserve a whole lot worse than lethal injection. The sad truth is the ones who were 18 are not eligible for the death penalty. The Supreme Court recently ruled that no one who committed their offense while under the age of 18 is eligible for the dp. (sorry do not have citation) If they can be tried as adults after committing an "adult" crime, why can't they be punished accordingly.

For mom & son:

[BeastofBears]

Stories like this make you wonder how society can ever get back to something resembling a decent way to live. From the stories of children mutilating baby animals to this, I fear for the future. How can a generation of kids be free of conscience like this? They intentionally did something horrible just to press the bounds of depravity, not to alleviate poverty or protest social injustice, but to be sick.

This is why some think its the end of the world. Too sad for words, really.

[HiLife]

Stories like this make you wonder how society can ever get back to something resembling a decent way to live. From the stories of children mutilating baby animals to this, I fear for the future. How can a generation of kids be free of conscience like this? They intentionally did something horrible just to press the bounds of depravity, not to alleviate poverty or protest social injustice, but to be sick.

This is why some think its the end of the world. Too sad for words, really.

The highlighted sentence reminded me of something I read and will never forget, right after the Oklahoma Bombing. It was a preacher, interviewed by Newsweek who expressed his feelings:

"If God doesn't come back soon, then He owes Sodom and Gomorrah a BIG apology!"

[One2Snoop]

The highlighted sentence reminded me of something I read and will never forget, right after the Oklahoma Bombing. It was a preacher, interviewed by Newsweek who expressed his feelings:

"If God doesn't come back soon, then He owes Sodom and Gomorrah a BIG apology!"

I remember that - it was Billy Graham - here's a little follow-up on that quote....

http://www.biblestudyemail.com/karme..._09_Part_1.htm

[HiLife]

I remember that - it was Billy Graham - here's a little follow-up on that quote....

http://www.biblestudyemail.com/karme..._09_Part_1.htm

Thanks for this information, O2S - had no idea. But, now that I see this, I do remember it was an unknown preacher who said it for the interview. I think the preacher Newsweek quoted must've taken it from Billy Graham and changed it a bit - lol!

Off for a more thorough read of your informative link!

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for this information, O2S - had no idea. But, now that I see this, I do remember it was an unknown preacher who said it for the interview. I think the preacher Newsweek quoted must've taken it from Billy Graham and changed it a bit - lol!

Off for a more thorough read of your informative link!

YW HiLife - I don't want to send this thread off-topic but I thought since you brought this quote up you might find it worthwhile to read a "little bit" of the background on it. No doubt there are mega interpretations on the net about it - but this one made the most sense to me.

Prayers for this mother and son and all those who've endured this sort of pain and anguish in their lifetime. I don't feel that my own experience will solve what they've gone thru but I do share their pain and hope they find resolve in our good lord above.

[Mishell1383]

[frydaddy]

Somewhere, someone decided to funnel all the poor people into a small area. Was this to make it easier to monitor them? Easier to provide more housing to them collectively, cheaper and faster? Or was it just to get them centralized AWAY from those who don't want to be bothered with them?

It sure seems like that, but the story is much more complicated.

The history of public housing is interesting, and not necessarily what you'd think. Unfortunately, the projects (like Dunbar) were constructed against the advice of many social scientists, by people whose vision was first one of simply "tear down the slums" and put the poor in "new" housing, without regard to the vibrancy of the old neighborhood, and after the war one of then-trendy European socialism. So over the protests of Americans who knew better, the deep thinkers in Washington hired European socialist architects to design projects. The result was high-rise monstrosities designed with, let's say, "the Polish worker" in mind: a hard-working, submissive, devout member of a social class that had for centuries been doing what the nobility ordered. Needless to say, this design did not work for Americans, black or white, and the high-rises soon became intolerable. (Google "Pruitt-Igoe" to see zillions of photographs of the famous demolition of perhaps the best example of failed public housing.)

Some of the worst social policy in American history was based on the notion that places upper West Side liberals thought looked "blighted" should be torn down and the people warehoused. There was absolutely no thought to how human beings would behave in such housing. The assumption was that the submissive poor would be grateful and live quietly and peacefully.

We see the frustration today among the European elites: "We gave them (crummy) food, (minimal) shelter, and (lousy) free medical care—why are they rioting?"

As everyone knows, many southern black people moved north during the Second World War, as good-paying jobs had opened up in the cities. Housing had to be built for them. Detroit suffered horrendous "Negro riots" after the government went back and forth on who would get to live in a huge new housing project: blacks or whites. I have forgotten the details, but they're certainly available, though you won't find them in your typical high school feel-good "social studies" text.


Hey!—"Security Guard Wanted. Dunbar Homes, West Palm Beach. $80,000 Yearly."

Any takers?

Just wanted to say thanks for the insight here, sometimes the worst human behavior can provide an opportunity for folks to educate themselves on issues outside of their box. I appreciate it!

By the way - if the nic is 100% accurate...I salute you!

[Luke Davis]

3rd Teen Arrested in Fla. Gang Rape

Times-News

[Hey Paula]

3rd Teen Arrested in Fla. Gang Rape

Times-News

Thanks, Luke!

Now they need to apprehend the other 7 vile thugs.

[One2Snoop]

3rd Teen Arrested in Fla. Gang Rape

Times-News

Thank goodness - hopefully one of the three will start naming the others.

[HiLife]

3rd Teen Arrested in Fla. Gang Rape

Times-News

Thanks, Luke. Three down, seven to go.

It is my worst nightmare that a good portion of these thugs will be walking the streets soon.....I don't have the courage to see what the "maximum" punishment is for the offenses committed against the victim and her son.

While the details are heinous, what do they look like when dissected in a court of law? Who and how will they determine did exactly what?

[Athena]

I just emailed the local parish that has recently provided outreach/support to another crime victim, pleading with them to reach out to this mother & son.

This was really a great idea. Hopefully your plea will be heard.

I cannot imagine the mental anguish this mother and her son will suffer and they will need tremendous support and counseling! My heart certainly goes out to them and I will keep them in my prayers. My prayers have been getting longer and longer lately because of these senseless acts.

[Athena]

"I tell him it doesn't matter, to save your life child, to do it. I know you love me, and I love you too, but you have to protect yourself."

When the attackers finally left, mother and son laid there together, sobbing in the bathroom.

This woman is remarkable to have had the courage to look at her son and say these words to him while there is a gun to his head and he is laying on top of her.

And in the aftermath to tell him you need to try to be a better person than them. There is still love in this world.. I know many remarkable Haitian women and know I know another.

I am sitting here crying as I'm reading this! I couldn't bring myself to read the article but caught your post. OMG - what a courageous woman --I believe love does transcend and just reading this mother's words I believe in this case love will. Hopefully they will be OK with support and counseling.

[beachgirl40]

I just can't get this family out of my mind. The crimes committed against them are almost beyond belief.

I have read with great interest the posts regarding the life styles and poverty surrounding the alleged perpetrators. Please don't misunderstand what I am about to say. People who grow up in the type of environment where these children were raised are damaged by it. No sensible person could deny that.

Having said that, I would like to assert that poverty is no excuse. This brave and loving mother came from Haiti, an island of extreme poverty. She did her very best to protect her precious son and raise him right. My brother, sister & I grew up in extreme poverty, in east TN during the 60's & 70's. My dad was in prison for most of my childhood and a great share of my young adulthood. My mom did the best she could for us. None of us siblings has ever had serious trouble with the law. My sister was arrested once for possession of marijuana. None of us has ever physically harmed another human being or animal, for that matter. We are all grown now with families of our own. We are far from perfect, but have become responsible adults who contribute positively to society.

At some point in one's life, you must take responsibility for your own actions. One must make a choice between living a decent life, or wreaking as much havoc on our fellow humans as one can. These boys chose evil and must be punished accordingly.

Thank you for listening.

For the family. May God grant them the peace and comfort they so richly deserve.

[One2Snoop]

beachgirl40 - I agree with you and must commend you for sharing your story. I hope its an inspiration to others who may be read it.

[JustMyOpinion]

I just can't get this family out of my mind. The crimes committed against them are almost beyond belief.

I have read with great interest the posts regarding the life styles and poverty surrounding the alleged perpetrators. Please don't misunderstand what I am about to say. People who grow up in the type of environment where these children were raised are damaged by it. No sensible person could deny that.

Having said that, I would like to assert that poverty is no excuse. This brave and loving mother came from Haiti, an island of extreme poverty. She did her very best to protect her precious son and raise him right. My brother, sister & I grew up in extreme poverty, in east TN during the 60's & 70's. My dad was in prison for most of my childhood and a great share of my young adulthood. My mom did the best she could for us. None of us siblings has ever had serious trouble with the law. My sister was arrested once for possession of marijuana. None of us has ever physically harmed another human being or animal, for that matter. We are all grown now with families of our own. We are far from perfect, but have become responsible adults who contribute positively to society.

At some point in one's life, you must take responsibility for your own actions. One must make a choice between living a decent life, or wreaking as much havoc on our fellow humans as one can. These boys chose evil and must be punished accordingly.

Thank you for listening.

For the family. May God grant them the peace and comfort they so richly deserve.

I completely agree the youths must be apprehended, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and sentenced in accordance with the henious crimes they perpetrated on their innocent and vulnerable victims. I personally think if any of these guilty parties are not apprehended or.. are ever given their liberty again, they will continue to pose a danger to society.........JMO
For me, discussing all of the circumstances which may have contributed to these teen-agers becoming apparent psychopaths has to do with prevention & intervention, and doesn't excuse these offenders or negate their responsibility by one iota. JMO

[One2Snoop]

beachgirl40 - I agree with you and must commend you for sharing your story. I hope its an inspiration to others who <may be> read it.

quoting myself to fix an error....

I hope its an inspiration to others who read it.

[Luke Davis]

Update with video

[I'mSun]

Update with video

Thanks for posting the link. It is good to know that three have now been arrested for this horrible attack. I just can't agree with the attorney's opinion of the boy who he describes as a "polite young man" who continues to maintain his innocence. "Polite young man" - I really don't think so.

[Hey Paula]

Thanks for posting the link. It is good to know that three have now been arrested for this horrible attack. I just can't agree with the attorney's opinion of the boy who he describes as a "polite young man" who continues to maintain his innocence. "Polite young man" - I really don't think so.

YIKES!!!! "Polite young man"?????

IMO, this quote applies to some defense attorneys:

"The lawyer is the devil's advocate. Lawyers' profession is one of private interests, not of morality. He is paid, he pleads for his clients. Such is the logic and morality of a lawyer."

Quote by: Ion Iliescu

[ExLiberal]

As far as I knew Earth was all one planet/world and all of our home?

True. But not every inhabitant that is biologically human is a true human being. Human beings have souls (atheists, don't waste your time responding) and consciences. Animals do not. Beings in human form who rape and torture and murder and know they did wrong are still human, despicable as they may be. Beings in human form who rape and torture and murder and lose not a wink of sleep are mere animals. They are devoid of empathy—the ability to feel what others are feeling.

And humans share the planet with animals.

Notice that the reports were that Avian Lawson, the first to be arrested, "showed no remorse." Look again at the picture of him smirking in the courtroom.

My guess is that the ten monsters, though they may be able to parrot something about right and wrong, do not have a true understanding of the difference and are, in every way except purely biologically, mere animals—or mad dogs—not human beings.

[Mishell1383]

As far as I knew Earth was all one planet/world and all of our home?

True. But not every inhabitant that is biologically human is a true human being. Human beings have souls (atheists, don't waste your time responding) and consciences. Animals do not. Beings in human form who rape and torture and murder and know they did wrong are still human, despicable as they may be. Beings in human form who rape and torture and murder and lose not a wink of sleep are mere animals. They are devoid of empathy—the ability to feel what others are feeling.

And humans share the planet with animals.

Notice that the reports were that Avian Lawson, the first to be arrested, "showed no remorse." Look again at the picture of him smirking in the courtroom.

My guess is that the ten monsters, though they may be able to parrot something about right and wrong, do not have a true understanding of the difference and are, in every way except purely biologically, mere animals—or mad dogs—not human beings.

i just could not read any more,,, i don't live in the us,, and even though i live in australia,,, and we may experience the same,, i'm sorry,, but we don't,,, and this case said it all for me.. because i have a teenage son,, and reading this case made me want to vomit... what is wrong with our world,, what is wrong with your world??? this is not my world,,, i don't live there,, and is rumaj,, finds a case i will die,, but serioulsly,, what is going on,,,,,, this is just not right,, and it has to come from education,,, and what we live,,?? such a sad world

Thanks for your response EL but I was simply referring to the fact that she/he blatantly insulted The US because of a few animals. Not fair if you ask me. Every place has crime.

[ExLiberal]

Thank you for your reasoned and logical post, Sallynuts. You are aptly named.

Australia, incidentally, has had more than its share of horrendous crimes.

[Luke Davis]

Donations pour in for West Palm rape victims, but not leads

Update with video

[Luke Davis]

this is not necessarily to the last poster,,

i just could not read any more,,, i don't live in the us,, and even though i live in australia,,, and we may experience the same,, i'm sorry,, but we don't,,, and this case said it all for me.. because i have a teenage son,, and reading this case made me want to vomit... what is wrong with our world,, what is wrong with your world??? this is not my world,,, i don't live there,, and is rumaj,, finds a case i will die,, but serioulsly,, what is going on,,,,,, this is just not right,, and it has to come from education,,, and what we live,,?? such a sad world

Hi Sally,

I am just wondering what you are doing right that we are doing so wrong?

Is it just that you have a less dense population? More homogenius? A better support system?

What would happen to a poor Haitian woman and her son should they come to Australia? Would the citizens there send thousands of dollars to help them?

Any help you can give will be appreciated.