The Vickers Incident from 3-30-05

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Good morning. Good game.

IF Tara said noone was in the house and she was alone then how would they know HD was there for the OPD to need his statement when he didn't go outside and according to Tara he wasn't there? This isn't adding up. JMHO

Because Anthony told the truth about his involvement,so Taras' story had to start growing legs............one lie leads to another,etc...........
MOO

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I think Anthony probably told the 2 officers HD was in there, and I think they just didn't write it up as a detail relevant to the disorderly conduct AV exhibited toward the policemen. Sure, I think they were trying to protect Tara's integrity, etc., as well. Barrs IMO just uses HD as a corroborating witness that no mistreatment took place between local LE and Anthony. As to why Anthony didn't put HD's name in his written statement, I don't know. If you notice, he doesn't say MUCH at all about the reason he was there or anything about Tara & him (or HD, for example), at all. His focus is on the LE interaction. I do think HD's name was mentioned on 3-30, but I think this report and associated papework was written up to focus more on AV's conduct and the police's conduct--Tara & the "reason" for the police call being left way out in left field.

HD didn't see the arrest so how could he help them? How could HD witness that no mistreatment took place when he didn't see anything except LE escorting AV to the police vehicle? JMHO

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Good morning, Results. Hope you enjoyed the game last night.

HD being omitted from mention could be something very simple like no one actually saw him in the house and we know he didn't come out of the house. AV could say anything he likes about HD but Tara could have very easily said she was alone. No need to mention someone who wasn't involved directly with the incident. Of course, in this case anything is possible. JMHO.

IMO, HD only became of interest to OPD when AV filed his report claiming undue force by the arresting officer. At least, that is how I read it. In that case, his statement was needed to reinforce the OPD claims that there was no police force used. Again, JMHO.

Friend.....I beg to differ here !!!! If I had money to bet, I'd bet it all that the above,about when HD ONLY-- became of interest...............

IS way off............

This drama had been in the making for a while.IMO............

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I suppose his help was not seeing/hearing anything negative by LE toward AV. He does mention the "get your __ hands off of me" comment, and that backs up the officers' claims of AV being belligerent, etc. IMO, Barrs/LE didn't need HD's statement to support anything, so I don't know why he included it in the file if they were (IF) trying to keep it clean and leave out the fact Tara had a man in the house with her, etc. I just don't know.

HD didn't see the arrest so how could he help them? How could HD witness that no mistreatment took place when he didn't see anything except LE escorting AV to the police vehicle? JMHO

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HD didn't see the arrest so how could he help them? How could HD witness that no mistreatment took place when he didn't see anything except LE escorting AV to the police vehicle? JMHO

He couldnt,Results, and everyones' statements,LE, Taras', told that AV had
called the officer a sob but did you notice Mr.****s said.....a ..blank...sob?
His non eye witness account was padded with extra explitives(?)
JMHO

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I suppose his help was not seeing/hearing anything negative by LE toward AV. He does mention the "get your __ hands off of me" comment, and that backs up the officers' claims of AV being belligerent, etc. IMO, Barrs/LE didn't need HD's statement to support anything, so I don't know why he included it in the file if they were (IF) trying to keep it clean and leave out the fact Tara had a man in the house with her, etc. I just don't know.

That is a good point you made there. That is believable to back up the officers claim of AV being belligerent. Also, that is another good point they didn't need him so why put him in there at all. You had the neighbors, Tara, and 2 officers telling the same story and AV with his story. You have 4 to 1. I don't know either and probably will never know.

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He couldnt,Results, and everyones' statements,LE, Taras', told that AV had
called the officer a sob but did you notice Mr.****s said.....a ..blank...sob?
His non eye witness account was padded with extra explitives(?)
JMHO

ITA about his version.

[Its just me]

Vickers incident from 3/30/05

1. Where are all 19 pages? If anyone was going to post anything at all, why censor it here?

Most of the 19 pages were hand written as reports and if you type a hand written page you will see it takes up much less space than a hand written one. One of the pages were probably the booking of AV at 6:00 pm and another or more of the pages was the release along with the property bond. I don't have a problem with 19 pages of material recieved being put into the space it takes up here on ctv.

2. Was this report altered in any way PRIOR to being released to the public? (sanitized as a "courtesy" to someone else? )

If the report was altered in any way the people involved would have to have rewrote their reports. We have no proof they did or did not but my guess is they were written as reported.

3. Why did Officer Fletcher write a report 20 days after the incident?
(Officer Parrish wrote his the same day/he was arresting officer, but SF was on the scene and spoke to TG, so why did it take him 20 days to give his story? or did he, and re-did it?

I don't work for the OPD but my guess again would be that the arresting officer's report is the only one required. I think SF gave a report 20 day after because Det Barrs asked him (according to SF report)

4. If Witnesses saw Officer Parrish place AV on hood of Jeep, and ****s saw officers escort AV to patrol unit in handcuffs, and Officer Fletcher says he saw Officer Parrish put AV down on the Jeep, why hasn't anyone else noticed that AV was the only one to say that the officer SLAMMED HIM DOWN ON THE HOOD OF THE PATROL CAR?

I did notice the difference in AV's report and the other reports and I think I posted about it on this board or on the TT board. Why AV gave his report to Det Barrs is not stated but by reading AV's statement he thought (or reported) he may have been roughed up by the police. It is also reported in another report that AV stated while being arrested that he was being roughed up. The neighbor L******** who called the police reported that AV was placed on the Jeep.

5. Why didn't AV write out a statement at the OPD on 3/30/05?
Why was his written statement not added to the report until 4/15/05?
This is 16 days later?
Again my guess would be that anyone arrested for disorderly conduct or DUI or murder do not write a report when they are arrested. 4/15/05 would be getting close to the time the fine had to be paid. I think AV wrote out his statement and presented it to Barrs and Barrs requested the additional reports to investigate what AV reported to see if there was any evidence that AV was roughed up.

6. Did AV's family obtain an attorney to sue the OPD for brutality or excessive force?
Not to my knowledge and if they did it never has been in court to my knowledge. You have the neighbor, the police officers and Tara's statement that there was no brutality or excessive force used. What would be the odds of even getting this into a court of law.

7. If they pursued this, would Tara be needed as a witness to testify either FOR or AGAINST Ocilla Police Department?
Before I go anywhere on this question you need to get the documents that this was pursued by AV. I say it did not happen and only court documents would change my mind.

8. How did Detective BB know to contact HD? If AV was shouting out about HD in the back of the patrol car, why wouldn't the officers write that in their report? after you've been arrested, anything you say can and WILL be used against you, so how did Det. BB know to contact HD? Where is THAT explanation posted so we can see that?

My guess would be that when an officer writes a report that they do not nor are they required to write everyword spoken unless it is important. HD hiding in the house and doing nothing would have been left out because the charges was against AV acting disorderly and only what AV did to prove he was acting disorderly is required. AV banging on Tara's door and shouting was what caused the arrest not HD being in the house hiding. Only the ones that wrote the report can explain why HD's name was left out but Ocilla is a small town and I do not question that the police department knew that HD was present that day and in my mind he was a part of the root to the problem he actually did nothing to be in this report. Barrs was investigating if AV's report could be backed up by a witness and it appears there was none and AV's fine was paid and that is the end of this story. I think the reason it's not posted on this board is because there simply was nothing to post. Results got a copy of this report and I am sure you can do the same if you don't believe what is posted on the board.

BTW the bold is my thoughts. IJM

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That is a good point you made there. That is believable to back up the officers claim of AV being belligerent. Also, that is another good point they didn't need him so why put him in there at all. You had the neighbors, Tara, and 2 officers telling the same story and AV with his story. You have 4 to 1. I don't know either and probably will never know.

I believethings were getting "warm for Tara",several of her younger friends,IMO........probably knew about AV,.....Tara decided to use HD to scare AV off.......flip him off........(riding around with her LE protector-that day).................
this probably impressed her younger friends also..........the knight in shining armor........The important,"captain,big-shot,personal friend,etc. .....actually escorting Tara around town,in public........DRama----take one million,again,

but since AV reacted the way he did & LE had to be called, the snake ddidn't get to carry out his "plans" then......

AV was out of the picture at this point, IMO.........so Marcus Harper became the imaginary POI......for HDs plans..........IMOO

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If Tara filed a complaint against SF it happened because SF was on the scene when HD was at her house. If someone told MH about HD being with Tara she went after the one who was an eye witness. If Tara filed a report it ended up like AV's with nothing to back up SF did anything wrong because it is public records that HD was present after he wrote a report for the AV incident.
Did Tara file the (if she filed one) charge against SF before or after 4/15/05. If before HD could have been included for this reason. This is just speculation because I don't know if Tara filed a report or when if she did.
Do LE cover for each other. It happens every day. Did it happen in this case, only the people there and involved knows. Is there any documented proof....only AV's report. Is AV telling the truth. I don't know but he is or he is not. Does it make a hill of bean to Tara's case probably not but then again it could. Just rambling. IJM

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If Tara filed a complaint against SF it happened because SF was on the scene when HD was at her house. If someone told MH about HD being with Tara she went after the one who was an eye witness. If Tara filed a report it ended up like AV's with nothing to back up SF did anything wrong because it is public records that HD was present after he wrote a report for the AV incident.
Did Tara file the (if she filed one) charge against SF before or after 4/15/05. If before HD could have been included for this reason. This is just speculation because I don't know if Tara filed a report or when if she did.
Do LE cover for each other. It happens every day. Did it happen in this case, only the people there and involved knows. Is there any documented proof....only AV's report. Is AV telling the truth. I don't know but he is or he is not. Does it make a hill of bean to Tara's case probably not but then again it could. Just rambling. IJM

does it make a hill of beans ?............IMO it could........process of elimination.........IMO........

I've eliminated AV,now,already, but HD is becoming IMO,more and more, the truly #1 POI......IMOO

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FWIW: I would like to add something to this discussion that I found in some old information on my computer. At one point, a person in Ocilla claimed in a chat room that HD's vehicle (with government tag) was in the driveway at Tara's house on the day Anthony came to her house and the incident in question occurred. I think this, if true, is relevant in light of Anthony's comments about "men in uniform and G.I.'s". HD very well could have been in uniform that day since he was, apparently, on duty, if he was driving his police car (probably an unmarked sedan with government tag). This info sort of conflicts with HD being in Tara's car with her as a passenger and being cursed at earlier in the day by AV if it occurred on the same day, etc.

This also brings up a point about where AV was parked at, and where LE parked their cruiser at. Tara's driveway would only hold 2 cars, in my guesstimation.

(Officer Parrish or Fletcher, HD, Anthony, or Tara could easily clear this up, of course).

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RCM, we need help here please. Can you find out why HD is not mentioned in this report NOT 1 TIME from the officers to Tara, and AV? Someone, I can't remember, said it sometimes is a courtesy for another Officer to leave his name out. IMO it could very well be that Tara went down to the OPD and talked to the Chief and I don't think it had anything to do with SF. I do believe it was to keep HD's name out of it and that is how his name was left out of it and how the Det knew who to call. This is my opinion. Nothing in this report would indicate why she would file a complaint against SF. I'm thinking WTH is going on here. JMHO

Vickers incident from 3/30/05

1. Where are all 19 pages? If anyone was going to post anything at all, why censor it here?

2. Was this report altered in any way PRIOR to being released to the public? (sanitized as a "courtesy" to someone else? )

3. Why did Officer Fletcher write a report 20 days after the incident?
(Officer Parrish wrote his the same day/he was arresting officer, but SF was on the scene and spoke to TG, so why did it take him 20 days to give his story? or did he, and re-did it?

4. If Witnesses saw Officer Parrish place AV on hood of Jeep, and ****s saw officers escort AV to patrol unit in handcuffs, and Officer Fletcher says he saw Officer Parrish put AV down on the Jeep, why hasn't anyone else noticed that AV was the only one to say that the officer SLAMMED HIM DOWN ON THE HOOD OF THE PATROL CAR?

5. Why didn't AV write out a statement at the OPD on 3/30/05?
Why was his written statement not added to the report until 4/15/05?
This is 16 days later?

6. Did AV's family obtain an attorney to sue the OPD for brutality or excessive force?

7. If they pursued this, would Tara be needed as a witness to testify either FOR or AGAINST Ocilla Police Department?

8. How did Detective BB know to contact HD? If AV was shouting out about HD in the back of the patrol car, why wouldn't the officers write that in their report? after you've been arrested, anything you say can and WILL be used against you, so how did Det. BB know to contact HD? Where is THAT explanation posted so we can see that?

I just HAVE to address # 6........kath, I have no idea about the fact or not of this statement,but, you need to understand....in the south,in small towns,in rural areas,counties,etc...........when LE is called..for whatever reasons,to whatever locations....the chances are the parties involved,LE and common citizens,are either friends,neighbors,relatives,or sometimes,closer,immediate family.......or at least known of.......each other.
Sometimes the officers have to separate ma & pa or jr.Sometimes they have to make somebody shut up...simple........
thats what happened with AV andthe AV INcident........and IMO....end of story about AV.........enter once again HD........
and of course my own hypothetical theory.......

my point being,suppose there's another big brutality case/under cover/case
that the star witness is missing?.............JMHO

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OFF TOPIC BUT IMPORTANT


I know all of you have been so deeply concerned for Tara. Crime Library has placed a CALL TO ACTION (top of page) for another young woman who is missing. In this case the local LE/DA has failed the investigation. I am asking all those who care about the missing to go to this forum this afternoon (David Lohr has written an update story that will be up around noon) and PLEASE vote on the staus poll and write your thoughts on that thread - I intend to send the thread to the DA's Office and Local Media. We need all the help you can give to help find Roxanne.\
Thanks

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Good job FW! Now if you could please get David Lohr to write an article for Tara we all would appreciate that. He is one tough reporter. I know he is busy but just one article! I have e-mailed him and asked him so can you please put in a good word for us to him! Thanks!

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FWIW: I would like to add something to this discussion that I found in some old information on my computer. At one point, a person in Ocilla claimed in a chat room that HD's vehicle (with government tag) was in the driveway at Tara's house on the day Anthony came to her house and the incident in question occurred. I think this, if true, is relevant in light of Anthony's comments about "men in uniform and G.I.'s". HD very well could have been in uniform that day since he was, apparently, on duty, if he was driving his police car (probably an unmarked sedan with government tag). This info sort of conflicts with HD being in Tara's car with her as a passenger and being cursed at earlier in the day by AV if it occurred on the same day, etc.

This also brings up a point about where AV was parked at, and where LE parked their cruiser at. Tara's driveway would only hold 2 cars, in my guesstimation.

(Officer Parrish or Fletcher, HD, Anthony, or Tara could easily clear this up, of course).

I think they need to clear it up!

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AV's Mother's Jeep was in the yard. That would mean they all knew someone was inside if HD's vehicle was in her driveway. Getting more and more interesting.

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FWIW: I would like to add something to this discussion that I found in some old information on my computer. At one point, a person in Ocilla claimed in a chat room that HD's vehicle (with government tag) was in the driveway at Tara's house on the day Anthony came to her house and the incident in question occurred. I think this, if true, is relevant in light of Anthony's comments about "men in uniform and G.I.'s". HD very well could have been in uniform that day since he was, apparently, on duty, if he was driving his police car (probably an unmarked sedan with government tag). This info sort of conflicts with HD being in Tara's car with her as a passenger and being cursed at earlier in the day by AV if it occurred on the same day, etc.

This also brings up a point about where AV was parked at, and where LE parked their cruiser at. Tara's driveway would only hold 2 cars, in my guesstimation.

(Officer Parrish or Fletcher, HD, Anthony, or Tara could easily clear this up, of course).

Officer Parrish seemed to have something against me when he 1st pulled into the yard. PER AV STATEMENT!

I saw Officer Parrish grab Vickers right arm. I then saw Parrish spin Vickers around and put him face down on the hood of the Jeep Liberty that was in the yard. PER SF STATEMENT!

So if there was room in Tara's driveway don't you think the officers would have pulld in the driveway? hmmmm

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Officer Parrish seemed to have something against me when he 1st pulled into the yard. PER AV STATEMENT!

I saw Officer Parrish grab Vickers right arm. I then saw Parrish spin Vickers around and put him face down on the hood of the Jeep Liberty that was in the yard. PER SF STATEMENT!

So if there was room in Tara's driveway don't you think the officers would have pulld in the driveway? hmmmm

It was/is a small yard,space there,Taras' yard,& I imagine the officers would have no problem remembering how the 1,2 or? 3,vehicles were pulled in that day..Does/do any of the LHG know the officers that were involved back then, or could ask????
JMHO

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I'm gonna reach out here to my Southern friends. I'm confused about the use of the word "yard". Is it typical in rural areas for folks to pull up on the grass/lawn/yard? If there is no room for another car in the driveway, wouldn't you just park at the curb on the street? I'm trying to get a visual of the vehicle situation based on the photos of Tara's house and I'm just so confused JMHO.

at the curb,on the street?..........ROFLMAO.........No
pull up on the grass etc.,.........YES !!!!!!!!!!
you pull up in a hurry,you get as close to the door as possible....IMO...saves steps....and watch out if theres anything in the way..........lol
JMHO

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There is no curb to park on, per se. Her yard joins the public streets on each side. If Tara's car was under the carport, and if HD's car was behind it, I would guess that AV's vehicle was in the front yard area. There's a large pine immediately right of the driveway if you're looking at the house from the end of the driveway, so I don't see a vehicle being able to pull in straight and park diagonal in that area. The yard area directly in front of the front door is where I'd guess someone would park. JMOO, looking at old photos.

I'm gonna reach out here to my Southern friends. I'm confused about the use of the word "yard". Is it typical in rural areas for folks to pull up on the grass/lawn/yard? If there is no room for another car in the driveway, wouldn't you just park at the curb on the street? I'm trying to get a visual of the vehicle situation based on the photos of Tara's house and I'm just so confused JMHO.

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There are some posters that say they know that HD was parking at the P's. Maybe after this incident is why he started parking at the P's. I'm beginning to believe that his car was there that would make sense why the other vehicles are in the yard and why he started parking at the P's. If this is true then I guess GA at least you know where your hard earned tax dollars are going to support HD's gas and vehicle to Ocilla and back. So that would be Distance: 96.0 miles Approximate Travel Time: 1 hour 38 mins. Well that would be for a regular vehicle a government tag vehicle probably could speed and make much better time without having to worry about a ticket. JMHO

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I'm gonna reach out here to my Southern friends. I'm confused about the use of the word "yard". Is it typical in rural areas for folks to pull up on the grass/lawn/yard? If there is no room for another car in the driveway, wouldn't you just park at the curb on the street? I'm trying to get a visual of the vehicle situation based on the photos of Tara's house and I'm just so confused JMHO.

IIRC there is no curb which would make it easy for a person to pull their car up into the yard.

Oooops - I see fsbiii already answered. I believe there's a picture of her front yard/house floating around somewhere - I need to leave for work but I'll look for it later.

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Thanks. I get the picture now. It's not legal to park on your lawn where I live and people just don't do it. Lawn care is of the utmost importance around here.

:lol: This made my day (so far)... *LOL* Welcome to South GA, Merrick!

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There are some posters that say they know that HD was parking at the P's. Maybe after this incident is why he started parking at the P's. I'm beginning to believe that his car was there that would make sense why the other vehicles are in the yard and why he started parking at the P's. If this is true then I guess GA at least you know where your hard earned tax dollars are going to support HD's gas and vehicle to Ocilla and back. So that would be Distance: 96.0 miles Approximate Travel Time: 1 hour 38 mins. Well that would be for a regular vehicle a government tag vehicle probably could speed and make much better time without having to worry about a ticket. JMHO

Wonder if besides his regular salary,during these trips, if he was also being PAID by (anyone,Tara,AG or LG?) for his OTHER LIFE?PROTECTOR OF TARA???
or was he only being repaid in sexual favors? JMHO

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Thanks for the bump Merrick - I didn't see that post from Freshwater but I will go do so now. That poor mom - it's more than obvious the boyfriend knows what happened to Roxanne!! His buddy had HER ID on him a couple days after she went missing!! --aaarrggghh--

I have to wonder about HD parking at the P's....this just doesn't strike me as something that would happen. I mean....I'm thinking out loud here...but, the P's are an older, protective couple....Tara was obviously hiding the fact that HD came to her house (or was she only hiding it that ONE day when AV showed up??) Can you imagine her asking the P's to let her "friend" park in their drive way so as not to raise suspicion? I just don't see Tara asking that, - it in affect, makes her own up to the fact that they may have not been involved in an ethical relationship. Does anyone else think that? I can't imagine saying "Hey, Mr. P, I was wondering....you know, umm, I have this friend, and when he uh, when he comes to visit, would you mind if he kind of...parked in YOUR driveway, instead of mine?" Wouldn't Mr P or Mrs P, ask WHY he'd need to do that??

Do you know for any certainty (ha!) if the P's ever stated that HD did park there or if Tara had asked them if he could?

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Thanks for the bump Merrick - I didn't see that post from Freshwater but I will go do so now. That poor mom - it's more than obvious the boyfriend knows what happened to Roxanne!! His buddy had HER ID on him a couple days after she went missing!! --aaarrggghh--

I have to wonder about HD parking at the P's....this just doesn't strike me as something that would happen. I mean....I'm thinking out loud here...but, the P's are an older, protective couple....Tara was obviously hiding the fact that HD came to her house (or was she only hiding it that ONE day when AV showed up??) Can you imagine her asking the P's to let her "friend" park in their drive way so as not to raise suspicion? I just don't see Tara asking that, - it in affect, makes her own up to the fact that they may have not been involved in an ethical relationship. Does anyone else think that? I can't imagine saying "Hey, Mr. P, I was wondering....you know, umm, I have this friend, and when he uh, when he comes to visit, would you mind if he kind of...parked in YOUR driveway, instead of mine?" Wouldn't Mr P or Mrs P, ask WHY he'd need to do that??

Do you know for any certainty (ha!) if the P's ever stated that HD did park there or if Tara had asked them if he could?

Why would she not ask him? She ate lunch with him everyday at school. Did yard work together. They seemed to be very close. After the AV incident he might of suggested it who knows? I don't know who asked who what but according to alot of posters HD parked his car at the P's. JMHO

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FWIW ... On the first Tara forum, it was posted by more than a few that Tara and HD were having an affair and that when HD came to visit Tara he parked/hid his car out of sight over at the neighbors place, and he was given permission to do so.

JMHO

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I'm also wondering "where" he parked, i.e., in the grass between Tara's house and the Portiers, or actually IN their drive, etc.? Looking at the pics available, he could've easily parked "closer" to their house than Tara's to give the appearance of the vehicle being theirs, or a guest at their house, etc. Anyone know where he parked when he did?

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So, if the P's gave consent for the parking situation - then is it safe to say they knew of HD's reasons for being there and that he was married, and they would be, in effect, helping Tara and HD hide this affair?

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Why would she not ask him? She ate lunch with him everyday at school. Did yard work together. They seemed to be very close. After the AV incident he might of suggested it who knows? I don't know who asked who what but according to alot of posters HD parked his car at the P's. JMHO

Very close....as in he'd know if she was having an affair with a married man? Wonder if he'd know about the alleged relationship with AV? This kind of brings me back to just how much DO the P's know? (not that I suspect them, but wonder how much helpful info they may know and have told LE??)

ETA: which brings another point - why when the AV episode took place, he called the police, but it would seem he didn't go over there?? Her protector/watchman? He didn't run over after calling police to try to calm AV or get him away from Tara? I mean, we've talked about how HD didn't help Tara....why didn't the P'S?

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So, if the P's gave consent for the parking situation - then is it safe to say they knew of HD's reasons for being there and that he was married, and they would be, in effect, helping Tara and HD hide this affair?

I don't necessarily think Tara would have to tell them she was having an affair. She could've told them he needed to park there because she was having problems (with someone else) and he was there for her protection.

Oh there's that word again - Protection - sorry!

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Very close....as in he'd know if she was having an affair with a married man? Wonder if he'd know about the alleged relationship with AV? This kind of brings me back to just how much DO the P's know? (not that I suspect them, but wonder how much helpful info they may know and have told LE??)

ETA: which brings another point - why when the AV episode took place, he called the police, but it would seem he didn't go over there?? Her protector/watchman? He didn't run over after calling police to try to calm AV or get him away from Tara? I mean, we've talked about how HD didn't help Tara....why didn't the P'S?

The P's are not the one's who called police - it was the neighbor's across the street - last name starts with L.

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PNut - this is from the police report....

I spoke with Mr. Leverette, and he stated that he was outside doing some yard work when he heard someone hollering, and he heard someone beating on a door in the direction of the victim’s house. Mr. Leverette said he walked and looked towards the victim’s house and saw the offender. Mr. Leverette stated that there was some kids riding around on their bicycles. Mr. Leverette stated that the offender shouted at the kids and at that time Mr. Leverette stated the offender saw him and shouted at him to take a f***ing picture it would last longer, and Ms. Leverette stated that the offender was shouting that the resident at 300 West Park St. liked men in uniform, that she loved G.I.’s. Mr. Leverette stated at that time he called the police.

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Very close....as in he'd know if she was having an affair with a married man? Wonder if he'd know about the alleged relationship with AV? This kind of brings me back to just how much DO the P's know? (not that I suspect them, but wonder how much helpful info they may know and have told LE??)

ETA: which brings another point - why when the AV episode took place, he called the police, but it would seem he didn't go over there?? Her protector/watchman? He didn't run over after calling police to try to calm AV or get him away from Tara? I mean, we've talked about how HD didn't help Tara....why didn't the P'S?

They were used to a lot of traffic in and out around Taras', IMO,her being a teacher/known to help/spend time with/the students.....
but to know for sure,each vehicle,each POI,each & every day ???? They have lives of their own,they couldnt watch Tara 24/7.........
and was it established that they were home that day? I wasnt here or on any board at the time..........
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

I wonder if the P's really knew HD. Maybe they didn't realize he was a married man. I always had the impression the P's were like a second set of parents to Tara and were genuinely concerned about her well being. I just can't see them condoning an adulterous affair. Of course, I don't know the P's or what blows their skirts up, either. Does anyone know just how well known HD was in Ocilla? IIRC he grew up around the Hawkinville area and that's pretty much where he worked and lived. What reason would he have to be in Ocilla other than Tara? JMHO.

Good question Merrick.

[PNut]

Yes, MY BAD!! After I posted that about the P's calling the cops, I remembered it was a different neighbor!! SORRY GUYS!! Teaches me to try and work and post on here!! LOL

ok...if you guys think the P's just didn't KNOW HD, then yeah...maybe they didn't realize what was up. I just certainly don't see them knowing who he was and what was going on between him and Tara, and then allowing them to carry on, by letting him park in their driveway as to keep up the charade. So, maybe they just didn't know him...didn't know he was married.

[Brainstorm]

I wonder if the P's really knew HD. Maybe they didn't realize he was a married man. I always had the impression the P's were like a second set of parents to Tara and were genuinely concerned about her well being. I just can't see them condoning an adulterous affair. Of course, I don't know the P's or what blows their skirts up, either. Does anyone know just how well known HD was in Ocilla? IIRC he grew up around the Hawkinville area and that's pretty much where he worked and lived. What reason would he have to be in Ocilla other than Tara? JMHO.

I thought we had figured out what he'd been doing(for months)--TARA.
JMHO

[odette]

This map shows the distance between Tara's house and the house of the person who called the police.

A is 300 West Park Street (Tara)

B is 611 South Alder Street

Click on the + (on left of page) to enlarge the map


http://tinyurl.com/35dbtj


IMO

[Results]

This map shows the distance between Tara's house and the house of the person who called the police.

A is 300 West Park Street (Tara)

B is 611 South Alder Street

Click on the + (on left of page) to enlarge the map


http://tinyurl.com/35dbtj


IMO

That is correct odette. The caller that dialed the police was on another street at the end of West Park Street and lived on South Alder Street. The distance was 417 feet and he heard the noise and walked down the street to see what it was. That made me wonder if the P's were not at home.

[fsbiii]

Deciphering:

1) You think HD was at Tara's on "official business" on 3-30-05 (even though he had no official jurisdiction or cause to be there).
2) You think HD (a police captain) had something to fear, so he stayed inside the house (like a coward).
3) You think if it was personal/friend business, he would've stepped outside and talked to LE (but since it was "official business," he risked letting Tara be shot or beaten by this guy).

That makes a lot of sense.

The "transcription" contains no errors or omissions, but keep beating your dead horse until it comes alive again and you see it in a vision or something. There are no "portions" of statements, they are complete. Perhaps if you read a little more instead of typed incessantly, you would figure some of this out.

i could be wrong, but i don't think anybody in ocilla was familiar with him, other than what tg may have told them? (think of scott peterson-drove to another town to date his mistress, but he didn't HIDE out at any time. He was very open with his interest in amber wasn't he. Why would he HIDE out in her house? he was married too, but he was far away from his wife and their hometown so he felt comfortable enough to be open. )

so why did HD hide out as we've been led to think?

IMO, i do NOT feel he was there on personal business. I feel he was there on official business. He could have taken care of personal businesswhile he was there i guess, but imo, his visit was business.

If it was personal and he was genuinely tara's good buddy, he would have called police the date of the incident or encouraged TARA to do so. They would have both walked out to speak to officers and he would have handled it.

Nothing to hide? step outside.
Something to fear? do not appear.

He didn't appear outside as far as we know from the portions of statements transcribed here for us that could contain errors or omissions of information.
IMO, he was on business and didn't want the whole town to know it.

So, who said he was in uniform? Who said his unmarked car (black car?) was
in T's driveway? Who noted that? Who recalled that info from 3/30/05?