The Vickers Incident from 3-30-05

[concernedperson]

Yes, all of the above, but I believe there would have been ONE thing that would have sent the wolf over the cliff. All those things were in play, JMO, but he had been dealing with that for 5 months or longer. There would have to be ONE thing that would implode the entire situation...the ignition point.

JMOO

Very good. From what we have learned his morals weren't the best as possibly there was another paramour. Tara wasn't tightening the noose too much cuz she was hunting Marcus in the weeks preceding her disappearance. It seems like it was more convenient for the two of them. When Heath can come by and when Tara can see him. Both were going along with this arrangement for many months, it seems.

We have Anthony mixed in as a prior. We have another gentleman from the Atlanta area in here too. We have Marcus nixing the idea of it all. RR wasn't interested. So, were there some side salads (hate that term, picked up by the salacious idiot in the Scott Peterson jury who was kicked off but it seems to fit enormously in this situation). Where did her BIL fit in this time and place?

[mooloo]

yes, many thanks...

BTW,

Many thanks to Results and fsbiii for all the great work!!



R

[Brainstorm]

Yes, all of the above, but I believe there would have been ONE thing that would have sent the wolf over the cliff. All those things were in play, JMO, but he had been dealing with that for 5 months or longer. There would have to be ONE thing that would implode the entire situation...the ignition point.

JMOO

IMOO....Tara was playing HD that day also,maybe for longer(picking her up at school,etc.)she was in her elemnt that day,pageants,HD,in & out,calling her,
then went causually by a BBQ where word would get back to MH.......she was still in love with Marcus..........that poor drama-queen Tara had stopped by alone....boo,hoo.....(waiting for MH to change his mind?)
so yes,HD got INFRUIATED THAT SAT,but I believe he already had this in mind............it just BOILED over that Sat. night/Sunday morning.
His lover's sister & bil were convienant partners in the rest of the story IMOO
my opinion only..........

[concernedperson]

i know for a fact that others who read/visit/post here have had the ability to correct false info and did not. results is appreciated for her work, but i do not think for one second results is the first person here to see/get that report. there is another regular here who (imo) had this report from the moment he learned it existed. how else could he have known to word his posts so precisely tailored to the REAL truth in the report knowing that when the truth did come out, he could say he never insinuated this or that? yes. he has always said verrrry little and been verrrry careful. there is a goood reason for that.

actually, i've felt for a long time that every single one of us were just spinning our wheels here. i came here knowing up front that i am vulnerable to all the crap that people try to post and make us think it is factual. i know i am vulnerable because i do NOT know what happened to tara. the only ones NOT vulnerable to the BS are the ones who are much more deeply involved in this case than we realize. they may not be quite as easily led as the rest of us. the ones with the least info are the most vulnerable indeed.

we have been spoon fed a bunch of "jack" in order to spin our heads out of control. i'm just as fed up with it as others and fully realize how naive i have been. it makes me sick in my stomach. i think many of us have been used as pawns in a game. if you want to point a finger at me for that, rest assured i feel you are probably one of those who knows where tara is.

i have been here as genuinely interested in seeing this case solved as the next GENUINELY concerned person. But some need to get your heads out of your crack if you think that we have not been misled and intentionally deprived of truth as it does exist.

from what i've learned that helped me to arrive at what i feel, today is the last day i will ride in the "circus" and perform tricks for the benefit of some group who thinks this is all funny. real people have real emotions and it's real sad to be real FAKE.

i too think tara led men on and told stories to one that were different from the stories she told the next. i think she used them and when they tried to reveal her true colors, she either turned her back on them (AV) or tried to convince others that the guy was the one who was "playing with her mind." (MH) For the record, I feel sorry for AV. I feel sorry for MH. I feel sorry for other men who wound up entangled in this web of obvious deceit. I feel sorry for myself and others for getting entangled (imo)in the same web.

we have all been encouraged in subtle ways to believe tara is dead and we should just move on. why do you think that is? is there proof she's dead? no. no proof tara grinstead is dead. no blood, no weapon, no real clear path that tells us she is dead. someone (hd) was dangled in front of us like raw meat in a lion's den, but imo, it's all been a game to see us scurry in and out of little rat holes with hopes of getting to the 'big cheese.' LOL! there's no big cheese here, imo. no big finish. no solution that we will ever know.

i honestly feel in my gut that the person(s) who know what has taken place in this case is reading here now. somebody knows where tara is at this moment and imo, she's not a dead woman.

that's my take on the matter.

Please rest. It will do you worlds of good. I think your mind is on overload and to differentiate right now in a complex case is too much. No one has a true pulse on this case and many have interjected. The truth is Tara is not found and if, I say if, she was alive and partly functioning as a human being, something would have shown up by now. She wasn't sophisticated enough to pull off a complete transfer of identity.

None of the yahoos associated with her could pull it off either. Could be a wonderkin out there I am not familiar with but that is a stretch too.I think more than likely one of the yahoos got there proverbial "d**K" stepped on and acted out. JMO.

[Results]

i know for a fact that others who read/visit/post here have had the ability to correct false info and did not. results is appreciated for her work, but i do not think for one second results is the first person here to see/get that report. there is another regular here who (imo) had this report from the moment he learned it existed. how else could he have known to word his posts so precisely tailored to the REAL truth in the report knowing that when the truth did come out, he could say he never insinuated this or that? yes. he has always said verrrry little and been verrrry careful. there is a goood reason for that.
What would it matter if someone did have the report before me? Maybe this person was not in a position to be able to share the report. Maybe because I am a nobody I have more room than the individual who had it before me and that is if what you say is true. You will judge a person because you believe they had the report and didn't share it without knowing why this person didn't share it?
actually, i've felt for a long time that every single one of us were just spinning our wheels here. i came here knowing up front that i am vulnerable to all the crap that people try to post and make us think it is factual. i know i am vulnerable because i do NOT know what happened to tara. the only ones NOT vulnerable to the BS are the ones who are much more deeply involved in this case than we realize. they may not be quite as easily led as the rest of us. the ones with the least info are the most vulnerable indeed.
You have to make a choice. Do you want to be committed to trying to find out the truth? This isn't a prison where you have to stay. It's the choices you make to be here and to be here for the right reasons. You have to take a post that anyone makes and weigh it with pro's and con's...does it fit, no it don't fit, or maybe it does fit, or the trash that goes in the garbage can. When you do that with a list believe it or not the jigsaw puzzle starts to form a picture.
we have been spoon fed a bunch of "jack" in order to spin our heads out of control. i'm just as fed up with it as others and fully realize how naive i have been. it makes me sick in my stomach. i think many of us have been used as pawns in a game. if you want to point a finger at me for that, rest assured i feel you are probably one of those who knows where tara is.
A game always has a winner and a loser. Not all can be winners but most importantly you have to play in the game in order to be either one. Since I'm not in the game I can be neither. No matter what happens in this case I can't be a winner or a loser.
i have been here as genuinely interested in seeing this case solved as the next GENUINELY concerned person. But some need to get your heads out of your crack if you think that we have not been misled and intentionally deprived of truth as it does exist.
Your preaching to the choir on this one!
from what i've learned that helped me to arrive at what i feel, today is the last day i will ride in the "circus" and perform tricks for the benefit of some group who thinks this is all funny. real people have real emotions and it's real sad to be real FAKE.
I don't think there is any group that thinks this is funny! If you make accusations of groups please don't be a coward and name them because so far it doesn't matter what group you are in or what you believe I don't see anyone laughing in NONE OF THE GROUPS.
i too think tara led men on and told stories to one that were different from the stories she told the next. i think she used them and when they tried to reveal her true colors, she either turned her back on them (AV) or tried to convince others that the guy was the one who was "playing with her mind." (MH) For the record, I feel sorry for AV. I feel sorry for MH. I feel sorry for other men who wound up entangled in this web of obvious deceit. I feel sorry for myself and others for getting entangled (imo)in the same web.
This goes right back to choices. It is your decision alone to make. Don't feel sorry for me I made my choice to try to find some truth in all this mess and I don't regret spending not one minute of it on Tara. Tara wasn't perfect but she deserves as many people that will stand up and fight for her and not run away when the going gets tough.
we have all been encouraged in subtle ways to believe tara is dead and we should just move on. why do you think that is? is there proof she's dead? no. no proof tara grinstead is dead. no blood, no weapon, no real clear path that tells us she is dead. someone (hd) was dangled in front of us like raw meat in a lion's den, but imo, it's all been a game to see us scurry in and out of little rat holes with hopes of getting to the 'big cheese.' LOL! there's no big cheese here, imo. no big finish. no solution that we will ever know.
I find the statement about HD ironic. Where were you when MH, SF, AV, and many more were dangling in front of us like raw meat...where was your voice for them? Now this right here I can tell you has not been a game because I, Results, believe HD knows something and I don't know any of the players to be in a game but I most certainly believe that HD knows where Tara is either way. Am I right? I don't know. But all my list that I made as I mentioned to you earlier is forming a picture and HD is most certainly in it.
i honestly feel in my gut that the person(s) who know what has taken place in this case is reading here now. somebody knows where tara is at this moment and imo, she's not a dead woman.
I hope you are right and I would love to be wrong on this one. This would probably be the only time I would jump for joy to be wrong.
that's my take on the matter.

These statements are of my opinion.

[Brainstorm]

Well said,Results.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Here we had a new thread,interesting and valuable information being shared and then................SLAP !!!!!!!!!..........here comes this tirade.......(kaths' post) right when I'm into understanding what the other posters are saying....
I wish that post could be moved out of this discussion !!!!!!!!!!!!
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

ITA. kath, once again, is off topic. We can only hope she's true to her written word and that the tirade she posted will be her last "ride" on this board. I for one, disagree completely with her post and I am offended by her continuing use of the pronouns "we" and "us". I want to make it perfectly clear she does not speak for me. I would have thought after being taken to task by rml and sogalady for using the all inclusive "fools" she would have learned.

Let's hope she takes concernedpersons' advice and gets some "rest".

JMHO.

I TOTALLY AGREE,Merrick, and furthermore,....while trying to re read the post, I had to SWIM tho that bs time after time.....MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[Its just me]

Before I get back on topic I have to say Kath would carry more weight with me if she had taped her fingers and not posted this last (hoping) post. To me it appears in part of her post she is speaking of the kind person who helped results get this report to the board. No doubt Kath has been on other boards and probabaly had a run in with him and he caused her to get her big girl panties all in a wad because he don't take no s***. I commend him for the time and common sense he has brought to this board and other places. I don't think I misread Kath's post.

Not back to the topic of this thread.

Handwritten Statement of Tara F. Grinstead - 2 pages
Given on 3-30-05 at approximately 5:30 pm, signed by Tara F. Grinstead (signature of person giving voluntary statement) and Sgt. Sean Fletcher (signature of witness)


Anthony’s behavior was abnormal and was very aggressive on this day,

Tara may have meant that AV's behavior was abnormal for anyone but I think Tara meant this behavior was abnormal for AV. She knew this 19 year old young man well and I think she knew when he saw her at the red light that she had pushed him overboard. MHOO

[Brainstorm]

of couse she knew.......IJM...and she was getting in a bind,so HER BEHAVIOR
TOWARD ANthony was abnormal also.....
JMHO

[Its just me]

of couse she knew.......IJM...and she was getting in a bind,so HER BEHAVIOR
TOWARD ANthony was abnormal also.....
JMHO

I agree I think her behavior toward AV was not what he was use to. I doubt she had ever hid in her house from him before or refused to talk to him prior to this day and it was in day time which though I know he actions were wrong he did not sneak around during the night to confront her. As I stated AV's actions were wrong that day but I was young once upon a time and I had boyfriends during those days and yes I have acted ugly at least one time when I thought my boyfriend was sneaking around on me. I actually showed my ass. My life has nothing to do with this case but we may want to chew on our young lives when considering AV's actions that day.

[Brainstorm]

I agree I think her behavior toward AV was not what he was use to. I doubt she had ever hid in her house from him before or refused to talk to him prior to this day and it was in day time which though I know he actions were wrong he did not sneak around during the night to confront her. As I stated AV's actions were wrong that day but I was young once upon a time and I had boyfriends during those days and yes I have acted ugly at least one time when I thought my boyfriend was sneaking around on me. I actually showed my ass. My life has nothing to do with this case but we may want to chew on our young lives when considering AV's actions that day.

I totally agree, and also,.........Anthony was IMO........really concerned about TARA and the wolf she had been with earlier in the day and was hiding in the house....and who was "protecting who?"...........
who's to say that HD might have been planning Taras disappearance that weekend, but since things turned out the way they did he had to change his plans...........
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

I agree I think her behavior toward AV was not what he was use to. I doubt she had ever hid in her house from him before or refused to talk to him prior to this day and it was in day time which though I know he actions were wrong he did not sneak around during the night to confront her. As I stated AV's actions were wrong that day but I was young once upon a time and I had boyfriends during those days and yes I have acted ugly at least one time when I thought my boyfriend was sneaking around on me. I actually showed my ass. My life has nothing to do with this case but we may want to chew on our young lives when considering AV's actions that day.

Since it is Sunday, I'll say AMEN to all of that!

[The R]

Please rest. It will do you worlds of good. I think your mind is on overload and to differentiate right now in a complex case is too much. .

yes, a mind is a terrible thing to waste............

MOO,
R

[mooloo]

Excellent post!

I agree I think her behavior toward AV was not what he was use to. I doubt she had ever hid in her house from him before or refused to talk to him prior to this day and it was in day time which though I know he actions were wrong he did not sneak around during the night to confront her. As I stated AV's actions were wrong that day but I was young once upon a time and I had boyfriends during those days and yes I have acted ugly at least one time when I thought my boyfriend was sneaking around on me. I actually showed my ass. My life has nothing to do with this case but we may want to chew on our young lives when considering AV's actions that day.

[Brainstorm]

Excellent post!

I agree mooloo, she didnt beat around the bush,just put it out there , "I showed my ass !!!!!!! LOL....now thats honesty that I can relate too. LOL
We've all had to burn a few bridges or sink some ships,etc.
JMHO

[mooloo]

Hell's bells...I think I have (back in the day) had to sink a whole dang fleet!

And because of this...I don't think Anthony was out of control...mad as heck, yes. But not out of control. Kids are experiencing these kinds of things for the first time....everything is "THE MOST IMPORTANT"...not so an adult, well, adults who have more experience than Anthony did, at any rate.

Tara was NOT Anthony's victim---Anthony was TARA'S victim.

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

I agree mooloo, she didnt beat around the bush,just put it out there , "I showed my ass !!!!!!! LOL....now thats honesty that I can relate too. LOL
We've all had to burn a few bridges or sink some ships,etc.
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Hell's bells...I think I have (back in the day) had to sink a whole dang fleet!

And because of this...I don't think Anthony was out of control...mad as heck, yes. But not out of control. Kids are experiencing these kinds of things for the first time....everything is "THE MOST IMPORTANT"...not so an adult, well, adults who have more experience than Anthony did, at any rate.

Tara was NOT Anthony's victim---Anthony was TARA'S victim.

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

Sorry, I couldn't resist! *LOL*

[mooloo]

To be sure! I am sticking with that story!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist! *LOL*

[One2Snoop]

:lol: *LOL*

[TuscanDreams]

In response to asking why the Tara forum is now private at Justice Sleuths/aka To Touch One Life. It's nothing sinister, a couple of the posters wanted to post stuff that they didn't want lurkers to read...one of those posters is me.

So, as for this case and the Vickers incident, I'm still not sure that I believe that Tara had a romantic relationship with Vickers. Is there proof or just rumors? Real proof, not someone claiming they saw them together or whatever.

[fsbiii]

What would be real proof? A marriage license?

[fsbiii]

Who asked anything about Justice Sleuths here? Maybe I missed it.

[mooloo]

Never saw anyone ask....how many of you visit Justice Sleuths?

Who asked anything about Justice Sleuths here? Maybe I missed it.

[One2Snoop]

Who asked anything about Justice Sleuths here? Maybe I missed it.

Hmmmm I must of missed it too!?

[Brainstorm]

Hmmmm I must of missed it too!?

Ditto here.......and may I add, I'm glad I found this forum first and became a poster here. I'm not above checking another site out,but IMO,this is the only one I care to spend my time reading.........& participating in...
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

In response to asking why the Tara forum is now private at Justice Sleuths/aka To Touch One Life. It's nothing sinister, a couple of the posters wanted to post stuff that they didn't want lurkers to read...one of those posters is me.

So, as for this case and the Vickers incident, I'm still not sure that I believe that Tara had a romantic relationship with Vickers. Is there proof or just rumors? Real proof, not someone claiming they saw them together or whatever.

Is there any proof that HD didnt have an affair with Tara
or was in Ocilla that Sat./Sun?
or all day Sunday
or Monday????????????
and a whole lot of other questions.????????????
JMHO

and are there any AG,HD or LG supporters on that site ??

[Its just me]

I believe Tara and AV had a relationship and its not based on what I have read on a message board. I believe Tara and HD had an affair and it's not based only on what I have read on a message board. I think if both were put on a witness stand and "told the truth" AV and HD would confirm my belief. There are people who knew Tara and I don't think they are the kind of people who start wild untrue stories but have Tara in their best interest and have been willing to share what they know. Simple as that.

[Its just me]

Hell's bells...I think I have (back in the day) had to sink a whole dang fleet!

And because of this...I don't think Anthony was out of control...mad as heck, yes. But not out of control. Kids are experiencing these kinds of things for the first time....everything is "THE MOST IMPORTANT"...not so an adult, well, adults who have more experience than Anthony did, at any rate.

Tara was NOT Anthony's victim---Anthony was TARA'S victim.

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

Hey Moo I think if we all told the truth there are times in our lives where all of us have acted up at some point in our lives. LOL

I also base my thoughts that AV was not a danger to Tara is because he was released 45 minutes after he was booked according to the report. This would give time for a phone call to his mom and time for her to get to the station and the paper work done. It looks like the police also thought the same on the day of the arrest. AV was no threat to Tara. Period.

[Brainstorm]

Not only people that have Tara in their interest.......finding Tara,or her body, then bringing the perp that caused this to justice.There was/is a WHOLE county,town,towns,involved,but mostly OUR OWN beautiful daughters,sisters,loved ones,.....we all have our own Taras,whether in our immediate families or cousins,friends,school-mates,etc...............
There is still a killer walking around in SO GA imo, and our girls are NOT SAFE !!!
JMHO

[minga]

Not only people that have Tara in their interest.......finding Tara,or her body, then bringing the perp that caused this to justice.There was/is a WHOLE county,town,towns,involved,but mostly OUR OWN beautiful daughters,sisters,loved ones,.....we all have our own Taras,whether in our immediate families or cousins,friends,school-mates,etc...............
There is still a killer walking around in SO GA imo, and our girls are NOT SAFE !!!
JMHO

BS, I am going out on this limb, but I don't think anyone is in danger. I don't think this is anything serial by any means. If that was the case, well, there would be more disappearances or bodies. No absolute proof in Tara's case that there was a crime, no proof that there is a body anywhere. I am not saying there may not be, but at this point there simply is no proof. And if there is a killer....well, he may not be in south georgia. Nobody has the facts, only the speculations.

[Brainstorm]

BS, I am going out on this limb, but I don't think anyone is in danger. I don't think this is anything serial by any means. If that was the case, well, there would be more disappearances or bodies. No absolute proof in Tara's case that there was a crime, no proof that there is a body anywhere. I am not saying there may not be, but at this point there simply is no proof. And if there is a killer....well, he may not be in south georgia. Nobody has the facts, only the speculations.

You misunderstood me,completely.........
I do not believe for one second,that we have a serial killer, & need to lock our girls away..............by no means.........I believe this was directed SOLELY at Tara,but the fact remains HD needs to help find her, & this IMO is telling the truth, the whole truth & nothing but...........
JMHO

[minga]

You misunderstood me,completely.........
I do not believe for one second,that we have a serial killer, & need to lock our girls away..............by no means.........I believe this was directed SOLELY at Tara,but the fact remains HD needs to help find her, & this IMO is telling the truth, the whole truth & nothing but...........
JMHO

Obviously I did. I'm sorry.

[odette]

You misunderstood me,completely.........
I do not believe for one second,that we have a serial killer, & need to lock our girls away..............by no means.........I believe this was directed SOLELY at Tara,but the fact remains HD needs to help find her, & this IMO is telling the truth, the whole truth & nothing but...........
JMHO

FWIW Brainstorm, I understood what you were saying.

Regarding 'finding' Tara, I think that there needs to be some organized searches in Pulaski County and into Bleckley County

JMHO

[mooloo]

Somebody please pass the Kool-Aid (I'll take grape!) and the Cotton Candy??

[SIZE="6"]RIGHT NOW!![/SIZE]

i meant to ask why it took until April 20 for the first officer to make mention of AV being over the hood of a vehicle?

why didn't Officer Parrish write that in his initial report? Why didn't he mention putting him over the hood of the vehicle, whichever one it was. AV says hood of patrol car/Ofcr Fletcher says Jeep. Officer Parrish says nothing about the hood of anything. iirc.

it seems like in his very late addition to the report, SF was drawing obvious attention to the fact that NO extra force was used to get AV in cuffs. aND he does say AV did NOT resist, so.

what date did tara file a complaint on officer SF?

how soon after this incident did she file a complaint?
heck, did she really file a complaint? Guess I need to ask that one.

[fsbiii]

I thought she was through riding the carousel or whatever it was she said. Short term memory loss, I reckon.

[Results]

RCM, we need help here please. Can you find out why HD is not mentioned in this report NOT 1 TIME from the officers to Tara, and AV? Someone, I can't remember, said it sometimes is a courtesy for another Officer to leave his name out. IMO it could very well be that Tara went down to the OPD and talked to the Chief and I don't think it had anything to do with SF. I do believe it was to keep HD's name out of it and that is how his name was left out of it and how the Det knew who to call. This is my opinion. Nothing in this report would indicate why she would file a complaint against SF. I'm thinking WTH is going on here. JMHO

[Results]

Good morning, Results. Hope you enjoyed the game last night.

HD being omitted from mention could be something very simple like no one actually saw him in the house and we know he didn't come out of the house. AV could say anything he likes about HD but Tara could have very easily said she was alone. No need to mention someone who wasn't involved directly with the incident. Of course, in this case anything is possible. JMHO.

IMO, HD only became of interest to OPD when AV filed his report claiming undue force by the arresting officer. At least, that is how I read it. In that case, his statement was needed to reinforce the OPD claims that there was no police force used. Again, JMHO.

Good morning. Good game.

IF Tara said noone was in the house and she was alone then how would they know HD was there for the OPD to need his statement when he didn't go outside and according to Tara he wasn't there? This isn't adding up. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I thought she was through riding the carousel or whatever it was she said. Short term memory loss, I reckon.

promises,promises,thats all we ever get...................
JMHO

[fsbiii]

I think Anthony probably told the 2 officers HD was in there, and I think they just didn't write it up as a detail relevant to the disorderly conduct AV exhibited toward the policemen. Sure, I think they were trying to protect Tara's integrity, etc., as well. Barrs IMO just uses HD as a corroborating witness that no mistreatment took place between local LE and Anthony. As to why Anthony didn't put HD's name in his written statement, I don't know. If you notice, he doesn't say MUCH at all about the reason he was there or anything about Tara & him (or HD, for example), at all. His focus is on the LE interaction. I do think HD's name was mentioned on 3-30, but I think this report and associated papework was written up to focus more on AV's conduct and the police's conduct--Tara & the "reason" for the police call being left way out in left field.