Myths In The Ramsey Case

[nuisanceposter]

http://www.chieftain.com/editorial/1167216177/3

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist’s rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn’t been murdered during Christmas Night 10 years ago.

Predictably she would have matured into an attractive - not stunningly so - teenager with all the appearances of an affluent lifestyle and happy social life.

There was one big omission from that portrait, however. She wasn’t wearing a beauty queen’s tiara and sash.

Unless she had rebelled against her domineering mother’s demands, JonBenet would have been groomed to compete in all the big pageants - Miss Teen, Miss America and Miss USA. Even today she might be preparing to live in a Big Apple suite provided by Donald Trump.

None of that was pictured in the doctored-up "photo" of JonBenet, though, and so it’s just about as genuine as a lot of other "myths" in the strange murder case.

There is a myth that DNA evidence eventually will solve the case, when the reality is that - even according to world-class expert Dr. Henry Lee - JonBenet’s killer didn’t leave behind any incriminating DNA.

There is a myth that a grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to indict anyone for the slaying. The reality is that the jurors were never allowed to vote on whether they thought there was enough evidence to indict.

There is a myth that, after the first few hours of the investigation when the scene was compromised, that the Ramsey home was under tight police control. The reality is that JonBenet’s aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the family’s belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenet’s bedroom.

There is a myth that there isn’t any available evidence that hasn’t been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenet’s father, still hasn’t been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughter’s body was discovered in a basement storage room. Additionally, all medical and psychological records of JonBenet and her mother, Patsy, haven’t been subpoenaed - something that can now be easily accomplished since both of them are dead.

There is a myth that because the Ramseys were suspects, no other leads were followed. The reality is that thousands of hours of investigative work were devoted to the pursuit of more than 100 potential suspects.

There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in.

The popular myths will never be dispensed with until the murder is solved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmm, here's another source saying the GJ didn't get to vote, among other very interesting things...such as the amount of time and effort BPD put into this case, and how many suspects they covered. I think it's simply shameful that Lacy has been wasting time and money on a man who consistently points the finger at the wrong person, Michael Tracey. This case will never be solved as long as it's in the hands of biased officials.

[LindaA]

Ah yes, The Globe -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism.

[nuisanceposter]

Did you check the link and read the entire article?

It didn't come from the Globe - it's an editorial from the Pueblo Cheiftain. The only mention of the Globe is in the first sentence where the author refers to the current Globe issue with an age-progressed artist-rendered picture of JonBenet.

Nothing else about the article has anything to do with The Globe. The author, Chuck Green, is a veteran Colorado journalist and former editor-in-chief of The Denver Post, who also syndicates a statewide column. That's a lot better crendentials than the Globe, now innit?

[sweetcharlotte]

If I'm not mistaken the article is copyrighted.

[Sprocket]

It's interesting that the Globe picked up this article by this very respected journalist.

And, it's nice to see FOX news interviewing Tom Wickman, mentioning similar information.

[andU]

I have to admit that I do have doubts about the DNA... I really consider it worthless ... but I hope I am wrong. Unless someone takes enough interest in this case to pursue other evidence (or to test what is in storage), there may be no closure at all. I have not wanted to admit to these feelings.
I truly believe that someone that knew the Ramsey's entered their home on Christmas night and not only invaded their privacy, but violated and killed their daughter. I also believe that JMK is on the knowing end of more than he is believed. JMO, of course.

[Tober]

Ah yes, The Globe -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism.

Ah yes, Michael Tracey -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism.

[Coloradokares]

Ah yes, The Globe -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism.

The article was not from the Globe. the picture of what JonBenet would look like was. Chuck Green is about as unimpeachable a resource as you could want. JMHO

[SnarkyCow]

http://www.chieftain.com/editorial/1167216177/3

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist’s rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn’t been murdered during Christmas Night 10 years ago.

Predictably she would have matured into an attractive - not stunningly so - teenager with all the appearances of an affluent lifestyle and happy social life.

There was one big omission from that portrait, however. She wasn’t wearing a beauty queen’s tiara and sash.

Unless she had rebelled against her domineering mother’s demands, JonBenet would have been groomed to compete in all the big pageants - Miss Teen, Miss America and Miss USA. Even today she might be preparing to live in a Big Apple suite provided by Donald Trump.

None of that was pictured in the doctored-up "photo" of JonBenet, though, and so it’s just about as genuine as a lot of other "myths" in the strange murder case.

There is a myth that DNA evidence eventually will solve the case, when the reality is that - even according to world-class expert Dr. Henry Lee - JonBenet’s killer didn’t leave behind any incriminating DNA.

There is a myth that a grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to indict anyone for the slaying. The reality is that the jurors were never allowed to vote on whether they thought there was enough evidence to indict.

There is a myth that, after the first few hours of the investigation when the scene was compromised, that the Ramsey home was under tight police control. The reality is that JonBenet’s aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the family’s belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenet’s bedroom.

There is a myth that there isn’t any available evidence that hasn’t been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenet’s father, still hasn’t been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughter’s body was discovered in a basement storage room. Additionally, all medical and psychological records of JonBenet and her mother, Patsy, haven’t been subpoenaed - something that can now be easily accomplished since both of them are dead.

There is a myth that because the Ramseys were suspects, no other leads were followed. The reality is that thousands of hours of investigative work were devoted to the pursuit of more than 100 potential suspects.

There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in.

The popular myths will never be dispensed with until the murder is solved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmm, here's another source saying the GJ didn't get to vote, among other very interesting things...such as the amount of time and effort BPD put into this case, and how many suspects they covered. I think it's simply shameful that Lacy has been wasting time and money on a man who consistently points the finger at the wrong person, Michael Tracey. This case will never be solved as long as it's in the hands of biased officials.

Very interesting read! Thanks for posting this!

[shill]

"It is a myth" is just another way of saying "IMO"

[Louisadelmar]

http://www.chieftain.com/editorial/1167216177/3

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist’s rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn’t been murdered during Christmas Night 10 years ago.

Predictably she would have matured into an attractive - not stunningly so - teenager with all the appearances of an affluent lifestyle and happy social life.

There was one big omission from that portrait, however. She wasn’t wearing a beauty queen’s tiara and sash.

Unless she had rebelled against her domineering mother’s demands, JonBenet would have been groomed to compete in all the big pageants - Miss Teen, Miss America and Miss USA. Even today she might be preparing to live in a Big Apple suite provided by Donald Trump..

Yup. A mother so domineering she’s criticized for being too permissive. So domineering that when her daughter decided she wanted to wear an outfit other than what her mother had chosen – she did.

None of that was pictured in the doctored-up "photo" of JonBenet, though, and so it’s just about as genuine as a lot of other "myths" in the strange murder case.

There is a myth that DNA evidence eventually will solve the case, when the reality is that - even according to world-class expert Dr. Henry Lee - JonBenet’s killer didn’t leave behind any incriminating DNA..

Funny I haven’t read Lee saying that. He said it could be artifact. On the other hand Lee hasn’t been involved with the case for a long time. Was he involved at all with DNAX? Like all of us, Lee isn’t infallable. Remember his cement shoe prints at the OJ trial? Recently a producer was quoted as saying the DNA found in her underwear was 10 to 12 times the concentration of 'trace' DNA found in other packages. Wonder what Lee would say in response to that?

There is a myth that a grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to indict anyone for the slaying. The reality is that the jurors were never allowed to vote on whether they thought there was enough evidence to indict.

Source?

There is a myth that, after the first few hours of the investigation when the scene was compromised, that the Ramsey home was under tight police control. The reality is that JonBenet’s aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the family’s belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenet’s bedroom.

Source = Steve Thomas

There is a myth that there isn’t any available evidence that hasn’t been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenet’s father, still hasn’t been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughter’s body was discovered in a basement storage room. Additionally, all medical and psychological records of JonBenet and her mother, Patsy, haven’t been subpoenaed - something that can now be easily accomplished since both of them are dead.

They didn’t need to be subpoenaed because the Ramseys signed them over.

There is a myth that because the Ramseys were suspects, no other leads were followed. The reality is that thousands of hours of investigative work were devoted to the pursuit of more than 100 potential suspects.

They why was Thomas having kittens when Lou Smit entered evidence related to intruders in the evidence book?

There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in.

Like Steve Thomas?

The popular myths will never be dispensed with until the murder is solved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmm, here's another source saying the GJ didn't get to vote, among other very interesting things...such as the amount of time and effort BPD put into this case, and how many suspects they covered. I think it's simply shameful that Lacy has been wasting time and money on a man who consistently points the finger at the wrong person, Michael Tracey. This case will never be solved as long as it's in the hands of biased officials.

Greene does editorials. Editorials are opinions. His opinion has always been that the Ramseys are guilty. He's hardly an inside or neutral source.

[Eagle1]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, I truly believe that someone that knew the Ramsey's entered their home on Christmas night and not only invaded their privacy, but violated and killed their daughter. I also believe that JMK is on the knowing end of more than he is believed. JMO, of course.

Yes, Karr may be a nut but knows something for sure, and the bear that JBR was given at a pageant in or near Atlanta where Karr was, definitely was white. So how did his (evidently his) get into her bedroom that night? He may have been with someone. I believe the shabby brown bear is still in police custody. Are they investigating it?

Whoever did this may have known weather forecasts that there would be a light snow before morning, to cover any footprints outdoors, or they may have just been careful to stay on the dry concrete.

I wish the link opening this thread had been to a copy of the picture. Don't want to have to buy a Globe just for that.

[sweetcharlotte]

<snip>

Greene does editorials. Editorials are opinions. His opinion has always been that the Ramseys are guilty. He's hardly an inside or neutral source.

You're right.

[bullmoose]

Is it my imagination or does mytherpiece sound an awful lot like Twisterpiece? I too would like to see what the source of that assertion about the grand jury; as I don't recall having seen that claim made so boldly before. And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

[Coloradokares]

Is it my imagination or does mytherpiece sound an awful lot like Twisterpiece? I too would like to see what the source of that assertion about the grand jury; as I don't recall having seen that claim made so boldly before. And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

According to you the only credible sources we ever had in Colorado though was Ramseys and they moved to Atlanta....So Colorado itself is vacated of credibility. We are the Colorado crazies ........

[Sprocket]

Is it my imagination or does mytherpiece sound an awful lot like Twisterpiece? I too would like to see what the source of that assertion about the grand jury; as I don't recall having seen that claim made so boldly before. And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

Liberties with reality? I'm curious as to what dramatic liberties this dedicated detective made that causes you to reject any statements he made? Or, do you just fault him for writing a book?

[TuscanDreams]

DNA can't be dated- This isn't a DNA case. JMO but I also don't see anyone ever being prosecuted for this. My thoughts are that one of the parents may have killed JonBenet, but I'm open to ideas on the intruder theory.

So much evidence has leaked out on this case that it's impossible to win a conviction- look at John Karr. He learned about this case and put together a little scenario to fit the crime scene.

[Tober]

And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

How is it that name-calling adds to the case discussion?

[bullmoose]

I have Synthroid Steve's book; I have read it and would give him an A for convincing me that he believes totally in his theory; however his book lacks credability and believability, IMO. His explanation for why his thyroid went askew[the case and his hard, hard work that nobody in the DA's office would listen to with the gravity it deserved] is IMO completely self-pitying and silly. Before he blasted everybody with his whiny resignation letter I believe he applied for police disability for his thyroid problem, its in his book; he quit after it was denied. So my calling him Synthroid Steve is a tribute to his literary powers. CK: You are mistaken about being the crazies, with all that snow, I think that the Colorado Avalanche is more apropriate. The case against the Ramseys is just a snow job.

[nuisanceposter]

Liberties with reality? I'm curious as to what dramatic liberties this dedicated detective made that causes you to reject any statements he made? Or, do you just fault him for writing a book?

I'd like to know, too. I've asked more than once, but other than ramble off a string of insults for Thomas, bullmoose has no answer.

I've also asked bullmoose to ease up on his single-minded hatred of Thomas and stop using derogatory nicknames for him every time he posts...still waiting for bullmoose to find the maturity to speak of Thomas without letting his rancor shine through.

Apparently he doesn't realize the name-calling makes people who want to discuss the case dismiss him as not being able to add anything valuable to the conversation other than accusations he hasn't backed up.

[bullmoose]

According to you the only credible sources we ever had in Colorado though was Ramseys and they moved to Atlanta....So Colorado itself is vacated of credibility. We are the Colorado crazies ........

Why, CK, you live in Colorado; and I find your posts highly creditable; by the way does the Twister still live in Colorado?or did he have move somewhere else, where the climate is easier on his thyroid?

[LindaA]

Sorry, Bullmoose, I'm afraid CK has left us.

[honibugs]

I have to admit that I do have doubts about the DNA... I really consider it worthless ... but I hope I am wrong. Unless someone takes enough interest in this case to pursue other evidence (or to test what is in storage), there may be no closure at all. I have not wanted to admit to these feelings.
I truly believe that someone that knew the Ramsey's entered their home on Christmas night and not only invaded their privacy, but violated and killed their daughter. I also believe that JMK is on the knowing end of more than he is believed. JMO, of course.

I'm with you on all of your points and I especially think JMK knows more than he is believed. I think he was a patsy that would make the BPD test his DNA with the minute sample that is in custody, knowing that it wouldn't match, in an attempt to degrade the sample so it could not be used again.

[bullmoose]

I don't want to burst you bubble, honibugs, but I think that the DNA found on Jonbenet has long since been tested and the results filed; the only DNA they used when testing Karr was his own. They then compared the results with what they already had on file. Oh man, CK has left us??!! Where am I going to get my regular Globe quotes from now?

[LindaA]

I'm afraid you are out of luck. She got angry a week or so back when asked to name her source and said she was putting her notes in storage and leaving the RDIs to fend for themselves. I suspect she is lurking, though.

[shill]

I'm afraid you are out of luck. She got angry a week or so back when asked to name her source and said she was putting her notes in storage and leaving the RDIs to fend for themselves. I suspect she is lurking, though.

CK is at Websleuths along with Ames. It appears they just wanted to talk about how much they hate the Ramseys with out justifying why.
It's like a chat room after an episode of "Desperate Housewives", a bunch of gossiping hens slinging mud.

[Louisadelmar]

CK is at Websleuths along with Ames. It appears they just wanted to talk about how much they hate the Ramseys with out justifying why.
It's like a chat room after an episode of "Desperate Housewives", a bunch of gossiping hens slinging mud.

Because my aim's always to please... I'll add two myths I saw being created while I was wandering around the internet tonight.

1. Patsy didn't really throw up. She faked it to cover where JonBenet had vomited when she received the head blow. Must be Priscilla White is in on the conspiracy. PMPT, ppbk, p14. Meanwhile Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Page 14...took me about 3 minutes to find it.

2. Patsy went back upstairs after calling 911 and that was when she put on her makeup.

Kind of reminds me of the time years and years ago when a poster seriously suggested Patsy had killed JonBenet because she'd decided JonBenet was never going to be tall enough to be Miss America. Sadly the posts were lost in a crash, but there was actual discussion of this as a motive.

[bullmoose]

A week or more ago I asked CK for a link to show that Patsy actually had either beaver boots or a beaver coat, as she had claimed; she replyed with a link to either the Globe or The Enquirer , which quoted the famous 'unnamed sources' as saying it was so. The same source said that Patsy would be arrested very shortly[ I think the article was from 97 or 98]. When I pointed this out and asked for a real source, she got very huffy with me, stating that she had her evidence packed away in boxes. I can't help but wonder if she saves, stacks and stores tabloids as her research file. It would explain her heavy reliance on them for information and IMO would explain her anti-Ramsey tilt. She's an RDI, but it seems at times to go deeper than that. But if she's gone for good or just a while, I'll miss her; at least [even if it was the Globe] she backed her claims up. Unlike some. Later on, CK

[Jayelles]

Because my aim's always to please... I'll add two myths I saw being created while I was wandering around the internet tonight.

1. Patsy didn't really throw up. She faked it to cover where JonBenet had vomited when she received the head blow. Must be Priscilla White is in on the conspiracy. PMPT, ppbk, p14. Meanwhile Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Page 14...took me about 3 minutes to find it.

2. Patsy went back upstairs after calling 911 and that was when she put on her makeup.

Kind of reminds me of the time years and years ago when a poster seriously suggested Patsy had killed JonBenet because she'd decided JonBenet was never going to be tall enough to be Miss America. Sadly the posts were lost in a crash, but there was actual discussion of this as a motive.

Interesting. The only person who has ever posted about that is Don Bradley/Toth. He couldn't provide a source so IMO it's his way of trying to discredit the "borg". No RDI has seriously suggested that. How convenient that the post was "lost in a crash"....

[Louisadelmar]

Interesting. The only person who has ever posted about that is Don Bradley/Toth. He couldn't provide a source so IMO it's his way of trying to discredit the "borg". No RDI has seriously suggested that. How convenient that the post was "lost in a crash"....

Nope. I saw it and Websleuths was the forum. It was probably 5 or 6 years ago.

[Jayelles]

Nope. I saw it and Websleuths was the forum. It was probably 5 or 6 years ago.

Seems that only you and Toth/DonBradley saw this particularly unusual post and continue to use it many years later are an example of "BORG" theories. You also have another thing in common with Toth - i.e. the use of the phrase "she (Patsy) decided" to kill Jonbenet.

I have studied the case and the Internet community for 7 years now and can confidently say that most RDI theorists do NOT believe that Patsy deliberately killed her daughter (or that she "decided" to kill her). Therefore, I think it's unfair to take one extreme comment and hold it up as though it were common/typical of a particular POV. I recently read at jameson's where a member suggested that the killer tube fed the pineapple to JonBenet. I thinkn it would be fair to say that this is an unusual and extremely unlikely scenario. I doubt if the RST would be pleased if the RDIs adopted it as "typical" of RST mentality!

If this comment DID exist, I'd say it was probably tongue in cheek and not a serious suggestion. In fact, I wouldn't put it past old Toth to pose as an RDI and make it himself so that he could harp on about it for years to com.

[Louisadelmar]

Seems that only you and Toth/DonBradley saw this particularly unusual post and continue to use it many years later are an example of "BORG" theories. You also have another thing in common with Toth - i.e. the use of the phrase "she (Patsy) decided" to kill Jonbenet.

I have studied the case and the Internet community for 7 years now and can confidently say that most RDI theorists do NOT believe that Patsy deliberately killed her daughter (or that she "decided" to kill her). Therefore, I think it's unfair to take one extreme comment and hold it up as though it were common/typical of a particular POV. I recently read at jameson's where a member suggested that the killer tube fed the pineapple to JonBenet. I thinkn it would be fair to say that this is an unusual and extremely unlikely scenario. I doubt if the RST would be pleased if the RDIs adopted it as "typical" of RST mentality!

If this comment DID exist, I'd say it was probably tongue in cheek and not a serious suggestion. In fact, I wouldn't put it past old Toth to pose as an RDI and make it himself so that he could harp on about it for years to com.

I doubt that Toth/DonBradley and I were the only ones who saw it but perhaps we have similar senses of humor so it stuck with us. Though I have on rare occasions used the word ‘BORG’, I don’t usually because I think it, like RST, is unnecessarily antagonistic. I usually use RDI or IDI.

I wasn’t trying to suggest that the idea Patsy deliberately killed her daughter is common. If I wasn’t clear, I apologize. It is not, however, unheard of:

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonb...O5N153QPIGL989
Tasha
Concho, OK
Feb 15, 2006
I think that JonBenet's parents killed her. I think that her mom was jealous that her daughter was getting all the attention and decided to kill her.

http://websleuths.com/forums/printth...p?t=3082&pp=40

BrotherMoon
12-17-2003

ajt400, I didn't say the strangulation was accidental, I said it was deliberate.

The strangulation caused death. The blow to the head had meaning in that it sent the angel on it's way as per The Psalms
118-16 The Lord's right hand is lifted high, The Lord's right hand has done mighty things.

Acronyms are commonly used in the Christian subculture and S.B.T.C. is commonly known as saved by the cross. Acronyms are an important part of the Christian myth as JHVH, INRI, ICTHYS and many others.My theory is speculation based on connections made betwen well known facts of the case. Most notably literature that Patsy concerned herself with and elements of the case that match the literature.

The body was posed post mortem. I include the final position of the garrote as part of the posing. The head blow was delivered before that and did not have anything to do with killing as that was already done by the strangualtion (manual, garroting or otherwise).

The lack of skin lascration precludes an accident as an accident would likely be with a hard object. The head was covered or the object that hit her was padded.

Nehemiah and ajt400 see www.Seraph.net.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...?t=8032&page=2
Paradox
November 26, 2006, 10:41 am, Sun Nov 26 10:41:27 CST 2006
That is first related by the narrator, then Sandy is said to have pondered it from time to time.

Sandy thinks Brodie is an unconscious lesbian.

It would then follow that the "Brodie side" of Patsy was the one that caused the vaginal abuse.

Sandy wanted to put a stop to Brodie as she was beginning to form another set after Sandy left school. She did so and became a nun.

Near the end of the book Jenny calls Brodie a sinner. Sandy says "Oh, she was quite an innocent in her way."

And of course, Patsy titled her book Death of Innocence.

I think the Sandy side of Patsy attempted to kill the Jean Brodie side of Patsy 12/25/'96.


And here there are 7 people who believe "One of the Ramseys killed Jonbenet with malice aforethought ."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...hybrid&t=39893

[KingCoyote]

I just wanted to say hello to Jayelles. I have read your "Big Bloomies" Post on what must be your home forum and find it fascinating. I consider it "recommended reading." I hope you get a chance to read some of mine...not that my posts are anywhere near as profound as yours though.

KingCoyote

[Jayelles]

I doubt that Toth/DonBradley and I were the only ones who saw it but perhaps we have similar senses of humor so it stuck with us. Though I have on rare occasions used the word ‘BORG’, I don’t usually because I think it, like RST, is unnecessarily antagonistic. I usually use RDI or IDI.

I wasn’t trying to suggest that the idea Patsy deliberately killed her daughter is common. If I wasn’t clear, I apologize. It is not, however, unheard of:

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonb...O5N153QPIGL989
Tasha
Concho, OK
Feb 15, 2006
I think that JonBenet's parents killed her. I think that her mom was jealous that her daughter was getting all the attention and decided to kill her.

http://websleuths.com/forums/printth...p?t=3082&pp=40

BrotherMoon
12-17-2003

ajt400, I didn't say the strangulation was accidental, I said it was deliberate.

The strangulation caused death. The blow to the head had meaning in that it sent the angel on it's way as per The Psalms
118-16 The Lord's right hand is lifted high, The Lord's right hand has done mighty things.

Acronyms are commonly used in the Christian subculture and S.B.T.C. is commonly known as saved by the cross. Acronyms are an important part of the Christian myth as JHVH, INRI, ICTHYS and many others.My theory is speculation based on connections made betwen well known facts of the case. Most notably literature that Patsy concerned herself with and elements of the case that match the literature.

The body was posed post mortem. I include the final position of the garrote as part of the posing. The head blow was delivered before that and did not have anything to do with killing as that was already done by the strangualtion (manual, garroting or otherwise).

The lack of skin lascration precludes an accident as an accident would likely be with a hard object. The head was covered or the object that hit her was padded.

Nehemiah and ajt400 see www.Seraph.net.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...?t=8032&page=2
Paradox
November 26, 2006, 10:41 am, Sun Nov 26 10:41:27 CST 2006
That is first related by the narrator, then Sandy is said to have pondered it from time to time.

Sandy thinks Brodie is an unconscious lesbian.

It would then follow that the "Brodie side" of Patsy was the one that caused the vaginal abuse.

Sandy wanted to put a stop to Brodie as she was beginning to form another set after Sandy left school. She did so and became a nun.

Near the end of the book Jenny calls Brodie a sinner. Sandy says "Oh, she was quite an innocent in her way."

And of course, Patsy titled her book Death of Innocence.

I think the Sandy side of Patsy attempted to kill the Jean Brodie side of Patsy 12/25/'96.


And here there are 7 people who believe "One of the Ramseys killed Jonbenet with malice aforethought ."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...hybrid&t=39893

1) I've never heard of Tasha.
2) Paradox and BrotherMoon are one and the same. It also seems that Paradox is also included in your 7 people from the WS poll.
3) Over 90% of the people who participated in that poll thought it was an accident. My point entirely.

In a study of troll behaviour, one of the behaviours noted was for "trolls" to pose as a member of the opposite side and made a ridiculous post in order to discredit the other side.

For someone to post that following a lovely family & friends Christmas Day, Patsy simply "decided" to kill her daughter because although she was only 6, Patsy reckoned she'd be too small to be Miss America ....kind of makes me think the poster wasn't being humorous/facetious OR that a troll was at work in order to provide the RST with a "BORG Bull" thread.

Please don't confuse RST with IDI. There is a BIG difference.

[Jayelles]

I just wanted to say hello to Jayelles. I have read your "Big Bloomies" Post on what must be your home forum and find it fascinating. I consider it "recommended reading." I hope you get a chance to read some of mine...not that my posts are anywhere near as profound as yours though.

KingCoyote

Hello back to King Coyote. I'm not familiar with your hat but that's probably because I didn't realise that Court tv had moved here. I had CTV bookmarked and everytime I went there, threads seemed to have disappeared. I just thought they were trying to discourage Ramsey discussion! I'm missed a lot of discussion.

[Jayelles]

I doubt that Toth/DonBradley and I were the only ones who saw it

It seems that Toth isn't the only one to claim he saw the post. I forgot that Tipper also claimed to have seen it.

Originally Posted by tipper
I saw it too. It was here, either in 2000 or 2001. Can't remember the poster, Nandee? maybe.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/pri...1&page=2&pp=25

So there are at least two of you who claim to have seen it :-)

[Athena]

I'm afraid you are out of luck. She got angry a week or so back when asked to name her source and said she was putting her notes in storage and leaving the RDIs to fend for themselves. I suspect she is lurking, though.

Or come back with a new nic. I had CK on ignore so wouldn't have really noticed much. Occasionally I'd take a peek at her posts but it was the same old thing - the library's queue is backed up, she's posting from notes, stuff was in storage, she "didn't understand" why her links didn't work, she had insider sources but couldn't name them.....etc, etc, etc. LOL

[KingCoyote]

Jayelles:

I am finally getting around to reading your posts. In your Post 403 in this thread you discuss some of the things Pasty was (or was not) doing after the police arrived and before the Ramseys left the house around 1:30 PM or so.

I did an analysis in the Thread "The Pam Griffin Factor", Section 2 of my first post of that thread, that analyzes the possiblity that PR and PW were making several cell phone calls to Pam Griffin during that eventful morning. I would be interested in your comments if you get the chance.

Thanks,

KingCoyote

[bullmoose]

Athena: consider this possibility for CK's inability to produce 'proof' of what she 'knew';once you have used tabloids for what they are best suited for, that is, lining the bottom of birdcages, they then become difficult to read and use as reference works. This explanation would explain CK's inability to produce links to what she was quoting from.?????

[LindaA]

It seems that Toth isn't the only one to claim he saw the post. I forgot that Tipper also claimed to have seen it.



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/pri...1&page=2&pp=25

So there are at least two of you who claim to have seen it :-)

I've also seen a reference to PR faking a vomiting spell to cover up where JBR alledgedly vomited, but for the life of me I can't think where.