Discussion Thread .... Week of 10/1

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Yes 'we' do know what happened after they left CnC's. What 'we' don't know is what happened to Natalee after Joran left her on the beach at her request.

Didn't GVC come along on his ATV?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Not lately. Did she ever give her opinion of the tape altering?

Nahhhh, Luke . She couldn't figure out why so many were focused on 10 seconds of tape. This was only supposed to be THEEEEEEEEEEEEE proof of gang rape, after all. She only HYPED it for weeks ....

Unbelievable ....

JMO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



That too is wide open, along with when, where and why.

LOL, you might want to confer with your buddy Alter, s/he knows what happened. Or are you not one of his/her "we"?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Didn't she lamblast the Dutch who she now says were the ones she begged Aruba to give the case to since they could have solved it in 72 hours?

But they couldn't determine it's wasn't blood in Deepak's car and they couldn't tell the Skeeter tape was altered because, well, because they are the Dutch.

Those pesky Dutch aided the Van Der Sloots cover up of Natalee's disappearance but she begged them to step in. I'd say that qualifies as talking out of both sides of her mouth.

[Chocoholic]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
I too would LOVE to see the source claiming Joran VanderSloot left Holland because Beth Twitty was going there.

Telepathy... there is no link to it. These are "all knowing" posters.

[Chocoholic]

Originally posted by No Nic


Something "BAD" !!!

Running away from home and not wishing to return to the parental grasp is generally considered bad, unless you're the daughter trying to escape the "coachings".

[Luke Davis]

Greta

[Twinky]

Originally posted by No Nic


And I believe that is another *misinformation campaign* out of Aruba.


imo

Yes, Beth's misinformation campaign did come out of Aruba.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Twinky


Yes, Beth's misinformation campaign did come out of Aruba.

Nice try, but we all know who the expert "misinformation campaigners" are and it was not Beth that made that phrase famous.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Nice try, but we all know who the expert "misinformation campaigners" are and it was not Beth that made that phrase famous.

imo

Her picture is beside those words in the dictionary.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Greta

I guess Beth lied to the Judson students when it was said:

"The second lesson Twitty shared with the audience is to never lose hope, "saying sometimes we forget to embrace it."

Beth gave up hope less than 10 days after Natalee went missing when there was no evidence of a crime and no body. I would say Mrs Twitty's lesson #2 was one she will need to relearn if she ever learned it all.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I just offered it as an example of how 18-20 might be treated differently. As far as applying it to Aruba, if you initiate a cruise there and are 18-20 you need a signed waiver from an adult to legally drink on the ship.

MOO

I thought the issue was the 'children' needing a chaperone in Aruba per the hotel. Nothing about a ship. If the legal age of majority in Aruba is 18, then where is the need for a requirement of chaperones?

Seems to me the "chaperone" idea comes from MB not Aruba.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
It's interesting that some people claim Beth was just repeating what she was told by various authorities, yet Beth says the authorities were not giving her details, just general info and then no info at all.

So where exactly did Beth get her 'details' that have been proven to be LIES?

But Beth claims nobody would tell her anything, so how can she repeat that which she wasn't told?

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Not that I heard......

only asking why people are focusing on a 20 seconds of tape (or something like that)

after the release that the tape was altered.

I think she said something to the effect of WHY were ALE wasting time on 5 seconds of tape when they had the written confessions.

This following the heels of the 'dramactic', 'this is huge stuff" 'this tape proves all 3 gangraped Natalee ' from the lying trio Phil, skeeters and beth several weeks earlier.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
It's interesting that some people claim Beth was just repeating what she was told by various authorities, yet Beth says the authorities were not giving her details, just general info and then no info at all.

So where exactly did Beth get her 'details' that have been proven to be LIES?

a drunken posse?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
It's interesting that some people claim Beth was just repeating what she was told by various authorities, yet Beth says the authorities were not giving her details, just general info and then no info at all.

So where exactly did Beth get her 'details' that have been proven to be LIES?

Sometimes people are tortured with starvation and sleep deprivation, this can be the cause of halucinations. Beth by her own admisssion did not eat or sleep for 128 hours.

It wouldn't be surprising if she thought God talked to her, Joran confessed or Natalee waved goodbye.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Twinky


I thought the issue was the 'children' needing a chaperone in Aruba per the hotel. Nothing about a ship. If the legal age of majority in Aruba is 18, then where is the need for a requirement of chaperones?

Seems to me the "chaperone" idea comes from MB not Aruba.

I believe the hotel requires adults over 21 with large groups of 18-20 year olds.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Sometimes people are tortured with starvation and sleep deprivation, this can be the cause of halucinations. Beth by her own admisssion did not eat or sleep for 128 hours.

It wouldn't be surprising if she thought God talked to her, Joran confessed or Natalee waved goodbye.

MOO

That might be believable if Beth wasn't a known liar. We know she didn't go without sleep for 128 hours because she gave a statement and the ALE brought it to her in a restuarant to be signed on June 1 and was on tv daily after that. I doubt she went without food during that time either.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
It's interesting that some people claim Beth was just repeating what she was told by various authorities, yet Beth says the authorities were not giving her details, just general info and then no info at all.

So where exactly did Beth get her 'details' that have been proven to be LIES?

On a show with Greta, Beth said she had absolute proof J2K kidnaped, raped and possibly murdered Natalee. Greta asked what the proof was and Beth replied a feeling in her gut.

I think we are dealing with sliding measures of proof. For some, a feeling is all they need.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Watership Down



That might be believable if Beth wasn't a known liar. We know she didn't go without sleep for 128 hours because she gave a statement and the ALE brought it to her in a restuarant to be signed on June 1 and was on tv daily after that. I doubt she went without food during that time either.

Do you know when the 128 hours begins?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
I don't believe what she said about not sleeping, eating or showering for the first 128 (I thought it was 118?) hours any more than I believe her claim that it took 36 hours to find a polis station.

She lies all the time.

Why does she lie?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
But a gut feeling is not absolute truth.

Not for me.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Was Beth hungry?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Why does she lie?

That is what some of us have been asking for awhile now.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Watership Down



That is what some of us have been asking for awhile now.

Yes but I have never gotten what I consider a reasonable answer.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Yes but I have never gotten what I consider a reasonable answer.

MOO

None of us have.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Didn't she say it was 128 hours after she landed before she ate, slept or showered?

Then it was 152 hours since she slept?

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Didn't she say it was 128 hours after she landed before she ate, slept or showered?

128 hours of not showering in that heat and she wonders why no one wanted to talk to her????

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
I don't believe what she said about not sleeping, eating or showering for the first 128 (I thought it was 118?) hours any more than I believe her claim that it took 36 hours to find a polis station.

She lies all the time.

How can she claim it took her 36 hours to find a polis station when she met Charles Croes at Noord polis station before schlepping to the VDSs that firts night?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Twinky


How can she claim it took her 36 hours to find a polis station when she met Charles Croes at Noord polis station before schlepping to the VDSs that firts night?

Perhaps with the stress Beth was under, hours were like minutes and minutes like seconds and days like weeks and years like months and things were confusing.


MOO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Perhaps with the stress Beth was under, hours were like minutes and minutes like seconds and days like weeks and years like months and things were confusing.

MOO

I think you've got it backward. Minutes would have to be like hours, and hours would have to be like days to make it seem like time was standing still.

[SukiJane]

Please tell me this isn't a conversation about what, or if Beth ate anything and how much, if any, she slept.

Tell me it isn't so, that any loving mother worried sick about her child is going without food or sleep. Goodness I lay awake plenty of times at night worried about my kids, and they are not even missing, just down the hall sleeping.

C'mon people let's put aside our hatred for Beth, and get in touch with our human side.

jmo

[feelings]

Originally posted by SukiJane
Please tell me this isn't a conversation about what, or if Beth ate anything and how much, if any, she slept.

Tell me it isn't so, that any loving mother worried sick about her child is going without food or sleep. Goodness I lay awake plenty of times at night worried about my kids, and they are not even missing, just down the hall sleeping.

C'mon people let's put aside our hatred for Beth, and get in touch with our human side.

jmo

I can´t really put that hatred aside since I don´t have any and those that do discount and twist everything I say. I think they do the same with Beth. Some people take advantage of others when something bad happens to them. The hatred is constructed for others to justify what they do and make it look o.k. IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by SukiJane
Please tell me this isn't a conversation about what, or if Beth ate anything and how much, if any, she slept.

Tell me it isn't so, that any loving mother worried sick about her child is going without food or sleep. Goodness I lay awake plenty of times at night worried about my kids, and they are not even missing, just down the hall sleeping.

C'mon people let's put aside our hatred for Beth, and get in touch with our human side.

jmo

This was a conversation about more of Beth's lies.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I think you've got it backward. Minutes would have to be like hours, and hours would have to be like days to make it seem like time was standing still.

If I haven't taken a bath in 128 hours, it seems like eons.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by SukiJane
<snip>

C'mon people let's put aside our hatred for Beth, and get in touch with our human side.

jmo

What other side is there? Spiritual?

[Luke Davis]

Most of those who attended the prayer service at the church, which is on the former campus of Southeastern Bible College, said they couldn't say anything, including — in almost every case — their names. Nor would they provide the identities of the chaperones who accompanied them on the trip when asked.

One dark-haired teenager eating an apple as she walked away from the prayer service put an index finger over her lips in a "shush" motion when a reporter asked a group of women about what happened on the Caribbean island.

Their refusals to talk were polite, but firm.

"It's all in our best interest not to talk to the press right now," said one female attendee of the service. She wore big brown sunglasses and had a purse slung over a shoulder with a yellow ribbon affixed to the strap. She held the hand of another woman as a reporter walked beside her, asking questions. "But thank you, though."

The young woman who said the family had asked them not to talk to the media was part of a group of three. After the conversation ended and the reporter turned away, another woman in the group called back: "Sorry, it's just kind of hard to talk."

When asked if the family feared that negative publicity — like a story from The Associated Press on Thursday that reported Holloway had been drinking before her disappearance — might jeopardize the search for her, Twitty said Holloway's safe return is all that matters.

"Alcohol never plays a good role in anything," she said during a news conference Thursday. "That whole thing is part of this puzzle we'll answer later. Right now, we need to find Natalee."

Twitty, who said she had 23 years of experience in public relations and marketing, said after the prayer service that the story of what transpired on Aruba during the trip would come out eventually. After all this is over, she said, the students "can talk all they want."

[QUOTE] Most of those who attended the prayer service at the church, which is on the former campus of Southeastern Bible College, said they couldn't say anything, including — in almost every case — their names. Nor would they provide the identities of the chaperones who accompanied them on the trip when asked.

Why the secrecy, even today?

cloak of silence

[Luke Davis]

TWITTY: Oh, no. No, I mean, I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time. And you know, I've heard his offer that he is willing to sit down with myself or with Dave or the family, and absolutely, I would do it. I would go to Holland. I'd meet him wherever he would choose to. But you know, Greta, I would have to have one polygraph expert with me because, you know, just having Joran talk without any type of repercussions — I mean, I think those days are over for him. You know, I'd like to get to the bottom of where his lies are, and I think that a polygraph expert could help do that.

Greta

I'd love to have a polygraph on both, then let them debate for an hour on Greta!

[shells]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
It's interesting that some people claim Beth was just repeating what she was told by various authorities, yet Beth says the authorities were not giving her details, just general info and then no info at all.

So where exactly did Beth get her 'details' that have been proven to be LIES?

I was shocked when I popped in here to see what was happening with this case to read comments like this...

WTH would someone feel it's necessary to call the mother of a missing girl a liar.

What does that do to help bring Natalie home?

Gosh - the freaking nerve of some people.

Who cares what Beth ate, how she slept, what she said to who - A beautiful girl was taken from her friends and family some time ago - and perhaps all the energy you are wasting trash talking someone you don't even know would be better spent trying to come up with a plausible reason as to where Natalie is.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by shells


I was shocked when I popped in here to see what was happening with this case to read comments like this...

WTH would someone feel it's necessary to call the mother of a missing girl a liar.

What does that do to help bring Natalie home?

Gosh - the freaking nerve of some people.

Who cares what Beth ate, how she slept, what she said to who - A beautiful girl was taken from her friends and family some time ago - and perhaps all the energy you are wasting trash talking someone you don't even know would be better spent trying to come up with a plausible reason as to where Natalie is.

Beth has spent months lying about facts in this case. One has to wonder why the parent of a missing person is lying for any reason.