Discussion Thread .... Week of 10/1

[fairmaiden]

Well .... I'm taking a chance on opening a thread for this week. I haven't seen anything not allowing it ....

We seem to be turning the "poll thread" into a discussion.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by maljunulino


Boy are you out on a limb.....ha ha. I'll come out too. Nothing much new, except all the speculation about the Nov 1 hearings and whether or not Deepak is in negociations for damages from Dr. Phil or whether he's in negociations for an tv interview, or whether he's not in any at all, never sure how much credibility to assign to Dave's ramblings.

I sincerely hope it is negotiations with Dr Phil over Skeeter's tape. The silence from both Dr Phil and Skeeter's makes me think that is exactly what it is.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by maljunulino


I'm sure if it happens it will include a hermetic zipper for Deepak's mouth, and of course on the other side too. Negociation completed, details not disclosed. Hope he gets a big fat new house, cars, and enough to retire for life from that internet shop, somewhere away from any twangs.

IMO

I don't see how Beth can avoid being named tho since she was right in the thick of it. I should think Deepak would like it that way.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Twinky


I don't see how Beth can avoid being named tho since she was right in the thick of it. I should think Deepak would like it that way.

She hyped that tape as the case breaker but backed off fast when it was deemed manipulated.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by fairmaiden
Well .... I'm taking a chance on opening a thread for this week. I haven't seen anything not allowing it ....

We seem to be turning the "poll thread" into a discussion.

Way to go FM#1. I was until Freshy said it is okay.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
That was her 'proof' of gang rape.

And it blew up in her face.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
I was ticked to see some people don't think the tape was altered. I recall the Dutch getting bad mouthed when the DFI findings were revealed.

If the negotiations are with Dr Phil and he settles that will end the issue once and for all.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Alter Ego


My bad, I meant tickled, NOT ticked!!

LOL

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Watership Down



If the negotiations are with Dr Phil and he settles that will end the issue once and for all.

You'd think it would, but we're still hearing Joran and the Kalpoes fingered the security guards, Paulus said "no body, no case", Beth believed from the very beginning Natalee had been kidnapped, Joran confessed, but Aruba and the Netherlands are covering it up, and all the other nonsense.

The unfounded and disproved claims will never stop.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Well now they are all in one document, compiled by Dave's internet investigators ready for the Dutch investigators to peruse.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Did they include "swapping out the furniture"?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
And it's not like Dr Phil is a stranger to settling law suits

To the tune of 10.5 Million.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Watership Down



If the negotiations are with Dr Phil and he settles that will end the issue once and for all.

That only settles it once and for all with Dr Phil. Skeeters and Beth can be held accountable as well.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
That was her 'proof' of gang rape.

I thought she reverted back to her 'confessions' for proof pf gangrape. I mean "why were they wasting so much time on 5 seconds of tape?"--Beth Twitty circa Oct 2005

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Well now they are all in one document, compiled by Dave's internet investigators ready for the Dutch investigators to peruse.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

It will certainly save them a trip to Aruba since Dave was kind enough to streamline the 'evidence' for them.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Twinky


That only settles it once and for all with Dr Phil. Skeeters and Beth can be held accountable as well.

I know that. I meant it ended it once and for all on the topic of whether the tape was manipulated.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I know that. I meant it ended it once and for all on the topic of whether the tape was manipulated.

Technically not true. Depending on how much Deepak would be asking for Dr Phil could settle as a nuisance suit without admitting guilt.

Besides it has been settled once and for all. The DFI has spoken. The same DFI the Dutch LE (that Beth "has wanted to take over the case for 1.5 years") would rely on.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Twinky


Technically not true. Depending on how much Deepak would be asking for Dr Phil could settle as a nuisance suit without admitting guilt.

Besides it has been settled once and for all. The DFI has spoken. The same DFI the Dutch LE (that Beth "has wanted to take over the case for 1.5 years") would rely on.

But you have to remember the few claimed that it wasn't manipulated because Dr Phil didn't discuss it so if he settled a potential lawsuit they would have his answer.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Watership Down



But you have to remember the few claimed that it wasn't manipulated because Dr Phil didn't discuss it so if he settled a potential lawsuit they would have his answer.

The few who claimed it wasn't manipulated b/c Dr Phil didn't discuss don't understand the power of Paramount inhouse attorneys. They gagged him immediately and they could also knew the tape was manipulated from the show's editor depending on what he/she was given by Skeeters. But all 3, Phil., Skeeters and Beth are guilty of tampering with evidence whether they did the actual physical editing or not.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
It was his internet investigators, not Dave, who produced that 'document'

That maybe but Dave was director and appears to want executive producer credit as well.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
I thought she reverted back to a Journal Entry

The quote I am referring to, she reverts to the 'confessions.'

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
No, that would require plastering a picture into the document and I don't think they are savvy enough to know how to include visual aids.

They can hire someone.

MOO

[fairmaiden]

WOW .... I started the thread, then lost power .... lol. I thought it was a "sign" .... lol.

Talking about the "tape" .... I wonder how many people considered that some kind of "turning point"? I know I did. I wondered then, and I wonder now .... why would anyone need to "manufacture" evidence, OR "tamper" with it, like Twinky said??

JMO

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
He can have it, the document quotes his book as if that is an authority on how the investigation was conducted. How would he know, by his own admission, he based all his knowledge on rumors and media reports!

Interesting how Natalee is referred to as the missing child as if she is nine or ten instead of the missing ADULT, which she was on Aruba.

Why was this child left unattended by her parents on a foreign island getting drunk for 5 days?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
My question before the tape was even played was why didn't ALE have this tape instead of Dr Phil?

Now I know.

I wondered that about Natalee's camera, cell phone, toothbrush, etc.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Interesting that those 'confessions' were not included in any of the statements she gave to BFN and the Monkeys.

If you look at page 27 of 'the script", Twitty is quoted as pleading with "Dutch authorities to allow FBI to take over." She further goes on to say that the Hague is "protecting Joran."

Now some 14 months later we and the Dutch LE are supposed to believe she wanted the Dutch authorities to take over from the beginning? ?? If I were them I'd LMAO, throw a Jenever in her face and call it a day.

Someone ought to tell Mrs Twitty the meaning of too little, too late.

[Twinky]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
He can have it, the document quotes his book as if that is an authority on how the investigation was conducted. How would he know, by his own admission, he based all his knowledge on rumors and media reports!

Interesting how Natalee is referred to as the missing child as if she is nine or ten instead of the missing ADULT, which she was on Aruba.

The guy talks to rocks or are those in his head?

[Heyes]

Just saw the interview with Beth in Holland. It was lovely. It seems as if the posters statement that the host is anti-twitty was wrong, completely wrong. He was serious and polite and seemed to care a great deal about this poor mothers plight.


I just read where joran ran back to aruba when Beth landed in Holland and now that she's gone, he's returned. lol I bet it's true the big .
Also read about the on-line gambling, aruba is going down on many levels it seems.

Too bad, all they had to do was give the family justice. but they just couldn't manage that now could they?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Heyes
Just saw the interview with Beth in Holland. It was lovely. It seems as if the posters statement that the host is anti-twitty was wrong, completely wrong. He was serious and polite and seemed to care a great deal about this poor mothers plight.


I just read where joran ran back to aruba when Beth landed in Holland and now that she's gone, he's returned. lol I bet it's true the big .
Also read about the on-line gambling, aruba is going down on many levels it seems.

Too bad, all they had to do was give the family justice. but they just couldn't manage that now could they?

I just watched the video, Heyes, and yes, the host was wonderful to Beth. He never questioned her belief that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. Hmmmmmmmm, this from a Dutchman? No *hard* questions, no support for Joran at all, but plenty of support for Beth. I guess the Dutch don't *hate* Beth after all. I loved the interview, very well done and Beth looked lovely.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


I just watched the video, Heyes, and yes, the host was wonderful to Beth. He never questioned her belief that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. Hmmmmmmmm, this from a Dutchman? No *hard* questions, no support for Joran at all, but plenty of support for Beth. I guess the Dutch don't *hate* Beth after all. I loved the interview, very well done and Beth looked lovely.

You and Heyes, and a few others, have a really difficult time understanding how television shows work, don't you?

[julianella]

Originally posted by No Nic


I just watched the video, Heyes, and yes, the host was wonderful to Beth. He never questioned her belief that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. Hmmmmmmmm, this from a Dutchman? No *hard* questions, no support for Joran at all, but plenty of support for Beth. I guess the Dutch don't *hate* Beth after all. I loved the interview, very well done and Beth looked lovely.

I did not see this interview, can anyone tell me are there transcripts? OR can it be viewed online?

TIA

[julianella]

Originally posted by Alter Ego
Wonder why Beth claimed that she was concerned that Natalee would be of legal age to enter establishments where they're serving alcohol when she got the alcohol included package.

Because there probably was not a choice of alcohol included or not. As explained eariler, when aplanning a trip with a large amount of people like this I highly doubt the trip planner is going to customize the trip for each and every person, all inclusive is the most realistic in a case like this, as everything including certain activities are included also. IMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes
<SNIP>
I just read where joran ran back to aruba when Beth landed in Holland and now that she's gone, he's returned.
<SNIP>

I guess you think we all believe you have a link to a legitimate source, but you just forgot to post it.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

You and Heyes, and a few others, have a really difficult time understanding how television shows work, don't you?

LOL, you guys have been whining for over 16 months that cable news lets Beth get away with saying anything with no question.

Here we have a Dutch interviewer with a perfect opportunity to ask her those *hard* questions and not allow her to make her *unfounded* accusations...........but NOTHING is asked and the inerviewer is very sympathetic?

I would think you would be more outraged at him than the American media.
imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


<Shaking Head> Tsk, tsk, tsk, NN - when are you going to understand that out in the "real world" people don't accuse, blame and harass a victim's mother.

imo.

<Hangin my head in shame> Forgive me, my bad.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


LOL, you guys have been whining for over 16 months that cable news lets Beth get away with saying anything with no question.

Here we have a Dutch interviewer with a perfect opportunity to ask her those *hard* questions and not allow her to make her *unfounded* accusations...........but NOTHING is asked and the inerviewer is very sympathetic?

I would think you would be more outraged at him than the American media.
imo

Like I said, you don't know how TV interviews are conducted.

They're taped. If the interviewer asks questions the subject doesn't want to answer, the subject leaves, and there's no show.

Like it or not, the person being interviewed controls the show.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Like I said, you don't know how TV interviews are conducted.

They're taped. If the interviewer asks questions the subject doesn't want to answer, the subject leaves, and there's no show.

Like it or not, the person being interviewed controls the show.

Oh, so that's why Greta couldn't ask Joran the questions we all wanted the answers to, he was in control (his favorite position). Thanks for clearing that up.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


Oh, so that's why Greta couldn't ask Joran the questions we all wanted the answers to, he was in control (his favorite position). Thanks for clearing that up.

Glad I could help.

You should make a point of trying to learn something every day.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Of course - you're too nice!

Yes, the interviewer was very accomodating and sensitive. I especially like how he took care in first asking Beth the proper way to address Natalee (past or present).

imo.

I didn't see or hear the interview .... what was her answer to that question??

[cassidy]

Originally posted by julianella


Because there probably was not a choice of alcohol included or not. As explained eariler, when aplanning a trip with a large amount of people like this I highly doubt the trip planner is going to customize the trip for each and every person, all inclusive is the most realistic in a case like this, as everything including certain activities are included also. IMO

So in other words, if there was a large group of AA members wishing to travel to Aruba on an all inclusive junket (as in hotel, food and activities), they would have to pay more for their trip without the alcohol?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by cassidy


So in other words, if there was a large group of AA members wishing to travel to Aruba on an all inclusive junket (as in hotel, food and activities), they would have to pay more for their trip without the alcohol?

The trip could have been planned and purchased without the alcohol included.