Two Ramsey Questions

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There was also a palm print on the door which led to JonBenet's body, and a boot print.

The palm print was indentified as belonging to Melinda Ramsey.

The boot print is now thought to have been left by Burke Ramsey.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...342847,00.html

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by harz


I thought JonBenet had bath that night, which it would likely wash away what was under fingernails, and she would have clean underpants afterward.

I never read anything about JonBenet having a bath before or after the Ramsey attented the White party. Asked if JonBenet had washed her hands at the Whites Patsy had said something to the effect, you know how kids are. That I had read in the police interviews.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by jmgos1


I never read anything about JonBenet having a bath before or after the Ramsey attented the White party. Asked if JonBenet had washed her hands at the Whites Patsy had said something to the effect, you know how kids are. That I had read in the police interviews.

Patsy never mentioned bathing JB on Christmas day before the party.

The kids were outside playing before the party, and there was no mention that they really washed thoroughly before they went to the Whites'.

According to the Ramseys, JB was asleep when they got home.

They put her straight to bed & didn't even wash her hands, let alone bathe her.

[Athena]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


The palm print was indentified as belonging to Melinda Ramsey.

The boot print is now thought to have been left by Burke Ramsey.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...342847,00.html

Interesting that it is ONLY the Rocky Mountain News that have said this and they DO NOT identify their source. Any article after that specifically refers back to Rocky Mountain as well. Sounds like another unfounded leak to me. When the BPD were asked about those prints when Karr was arrested they refused to say anything about either of them.

Also peculiar is that the palmprint did not match the first time but matched the second time? However Wood did not dispute that.

As far as the bootprint goes -- Burke was only 9 years old at the time. Doubt that this could not have been concluded from day one whether or not that print was a child's print or an adult print? JMHO

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by jmgos1


I never read anything about JonBenet having a bath before or after the Ramsey attented the White party. Asked if JonBenet had washed her hands at the Whites Patsy had said something to the effect, you know how kids are. That I had read in the police interviews.

from the police interview June 23

TH...Would she have washed her hands at a particular time?

PR: Well, at dinner, she rarely washed her hands.
TH: Would she, or perhaps she had been eating crab and you have all that slimy stuff all over?

PR: Yeah, I think she is going to wash her hands. But I didn't see her. I don't know.

TH:Getting her ready that early afternoon, four or five o'clock, did you give her a bath, did she take a bath?
PR: I don't think so.

TH: You don't think you gave her one?
PR: Huh uh.

TH: Do you think she took one?
PR: No, she didn't take one...

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


The palm print was indentified as belonging to Melinda Ramsey.

The boot print is now thought to have been left by Burke Ramsey.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...342847,00.html

you posted a 2002 news report.

best regards,
Pru

[Arizona]

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Originally posted by LI_Mom


The palm print was indentified as belonging to Melinda Ramsey.

The boot print is now thought to have been left by Burke Ramsey.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...1342847,00.html
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Originally posted by Pruddennce


you posted a 2002 news report.

best regards,
Pru

:lol: To think she just posted this...

"And it doesn't matter whether the amount he received is called 'deferred compensation' or a 'bonus'.... the relevant fact is that this amount was printed on his pay stubs."

"

[hohum]

Originally posted by rosyredrobin


How many people do you know who "style" their children's hair for bed? lol

It is a silly idea and confuses the facts at hand.

[hohum]

Originally posted by harz


I thought JonBenet had bath that night, which it would likely wash away what was under fingernails, and she would have clean underpants afterward.

No bath that night or just before going to the White's. I don't know that it's been stated when JB last had her bath, maybe that morning or Christmas Eve?

[ferretplay]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


where is green garland stated in the autopsy report?

best regards,
Pru

The green garland was strung on spiral staircase.

[Pruddennce]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ferretplay
The green garland was strung on spiral staircase. [/QUOTE

ok. in the autopsy report? am I missing what the poster stated as fact?

best regards,
Pru

[MissOtisRegrets]

Originally posted by nutmeg22

I think this scenario is plausible. I still think it is someone who knew the Ramseys and had been in their home...someone fairly intelligent who would use satire as a means of getting a point across. It could be that this crime had no purpose other than to assuge someone's anger/frustration at this very particular time in his life. JMO

Even someone who knew it had to be done that night, because the Ramseys were going to Charlevoix in the morning.

And everybody and their mother had a key to that house. (22 keys, six accounted for.)

MOO

[ferretplay]

I have PM/PT book.Pages 38-39 have Barbara Kostanick.Her daughter Megan was close friends with JonBenet.Quote from the book["The day before Christmas,Jonbenet was at our house playing with Megan.The kids were talking about Santa,getting all excited.I asked Jonbenet if she had visited Santa Claus yet.She said,"Oh,Santa was at our Christmas party the other night."Megan had seen Santa at the Pearl Street Mall,so we talked about that. Then Jonbenet said,"Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas." I thought she was confused."Christmas is tonight," I told her."And Santa will be coming tonight "No,no," Jonbenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret."] I have followed this incident from the beginning & have never forgot this.I keep coming back to it.Seems like an important clue to me .Maybe it could have led somewhere.

[sunsplashed]

I think both Santa Bill McReynolds and his wife gave hair, blood, and handwriting samples and were cleared. Who knows what the police and he talked about. Perhaps he did mean to visit JB later on in a perfectly innocent manner.

I read that he had been cleared, but until I find the link again, I'll have to mark this...

JMO

[sunsplashed]

Sorry, double post.

[sunsplashed]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pruddennce

Originally posted by ferretplay
The green garland was strung on spiral staircase. [/QUOTE

ok. in the autopsy report? am I missing what the poster stated as fact?

best regards,
Pru

This says green garland, like the garland decorating the spiral staircase in the house, was found tangled in her hair.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014k.htm

It's not the autopsy report; the source is apparently Linda Arndt.

It also states the ME could not state with certainty whether JB died from the head injury or from strangulation.

It's a newspaper article, though. It's going to have some misinformation, IMO.

[Athena]

Originally posted by ferretplay
I have PM/PT book.Pages 38-39 have Barbara Kostanick.Her daughter Megan was close friends with JonBenet.Quote from the book["The day before Christmas,Jonbenet was at our house playing with Megan.The kids were talking about Santa,getting all excited.I asked Jonbenet if she had visited Santa Claus yet.She said,"Oh,Santa was at our Christmas party the other night."Megan had seen Santa at the Pearl Street Mall,so we talked about that. Then Jonbenet said,"Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas." I thought she was confused."Christmas is tonight," I told her."And Santa will be coming tonight "No,no," Jonbenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret."] I have followed this incident from the beginning & have never forgot this.I keep coming back to it.Seems like an important clue to me .Maybe it could have led somewhere.

I do too but the BPD were too quick to clear them IMO. It is unforgiveable that the BPD did not consider that anyone else could have committed this crime. I always wondered why Janet McReynolds spoke about JonBenet's "torture" also and the fact that she was a movie critic.

Out of all the suspects I believed these two should have been investigated more thoroughly. They moved to Miss in 1998 and Bill McReynolds died in 2002.


"Janet McReynolds, for 10 years a drama and movie critic for the Boulder Daily Camera, placed little significance in the fact that JonBenet was assaulted and slain in a basement, just like the character in her 1976 play.
"I was surprised that the police wanted to talk to me about Hey Rube, because it never occurred to me that there was a possible connection,'' she said.
Her play is a fictionalized account of a real crime, the 1965 torture and murder of Sylvia Likens in Indiana.
The 16-year-old girl was brutalized by a gang of teen-agers and a woman who had agreed to board Likens in her home.
"She was a teen-ager, and the torture took place over a period of months, and the whole neighborhood was involved,'' Janet McReynolds said.
"In JonBenet's case, the torture was over a short period of time -- I hope.''


http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/.../0302jonnn.htm

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by ferretplay
I have PM/PT book.Pages 38-39 have Barbara Kostanick.Her daughter Megan was close friends with JonBenet.Quote from the book["The day before Christmas,Jonbenet was at our house playing with Megan.The kids were talking about Santa,getting all excited.I asked Jonbenet if she had visited Santa Claus yet.She said,"Oh,Santa was at our Christmas party the other night."Megan had seen Santa at the Pearl Street Mall,so we talked about that. Then Jonbenet said,"Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas." I thought she was confused."Christmas is tonight," I told her."And Santa will be coming tonight "No,no," Jonbenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret."] I have followed this incident from the beginning & have never forgot this.I keep coming back to it.Seems like an important clue to me .Maybe it could have led somewhere.

We know that the Ramseys were going to Michigan to celebrate Christmas there as well.

It's possible someone in her family told her that she would be seeing Santa after Christmas 12/25 was over & told her something about a surprise which she translated into 'secret.'

At 6 years old, children often confuse facts & wind up tell wild sounding stories.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Athena


Interesting that it is ONLY the Rocky Mountain News that have said this and they DO NOT identify their source. Any article after that specifically refers back to Rocky Mountain as well. Sounds like another unfounded leak to me. When the BPD were asked about those prints when Karr was arrested they refused to say anything about either of them.

Also peculiar is that the palmprint did not match the first time but matched the second time? However Wood did not dispute that.

As far as the bootprint goes -- Burke was only 9 years old at the time. Doubt that this could not have been concluded from day one whether or not that print was a child's print or an adult print? JMHO

Updated Aug. 23, 2002, 3:02 p.m. ET

Evidence in JonBenet's slaying appears to discount intruder theory

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — Investigators have concluded that both a palm print and a footprint found in the home of JonBenet Ramsey were actually made by family members, not an intruder as some have suggested, the Rocky Mountain News reported Friday.

Investigators believe the prints found in the basement of the home were not related to the unsolved killing of the 6-year-old beauty queen, whose body was found Dec. 26, 1996.

Investigators have known the answers for some time, the newspaper reported.

A footprint found in mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar, near where the girl's body was found, was linked by investigators to her then-9-year-old brother, Burke. Burke, now 15, has long since been cleared by authorities.

Investigators also said a long-unidentified palm print on the door leading to the wine cellar is that of Melinda Ramsey, JonBenet's adult half sister, who was in Georgia at the time of the girl's death. The technician who originally ruled her out as the source of the print had made an error, the newspaper said.

"They were certainly some things that had to be answered, one way or the other, and we feel satisfied that they are both answered," the newspaper quoted an unidentified source as saying.

Attorney Lin Wood of Atlanta, who represents JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, said his clients do not dispute the palm-print findings, but he said the family disagrees that the footprint came from Burke.

"Burke Ramsey does not and has never owned a pair of quote, unquote, trademarked Hi-Tec sneakers that the Ramseys are aware of," he said. "I would think they know what shoes he has owned."

He also said the investigators' conclusions regarding the two pieces of evidence do not eliminate the theory that an intruder killed the girl.

"Even if that explanation turns out to be true, but I have serious doubts, it certainly does not outweigh the overwhelming physical evidence and other evidence pointing to an intruder," Wood said.


http://www.courttv.com/archive/news/.../benet_ap.html

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"And the mystery of the Hi-Tec boot imprint was solved in grand jury testimony. Prosecutors disclosed in the 2000 interviews of the Ramseys that Burke and one of his friends had told jurors that Burke owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots — something his parents said they somehow overlooked or forgot when they told authorities no one in the family owned such a boot, even though there is a distinctive compass on the boot."

http://www.crimemagazine.com/solvingjbr-main.htm



Aug. 29, 2000

Atty. Bruce Levin & John Ramsey


Q. We have been provided, and again, one of the sources of this information is confidential grand jury material I can tell you in the question, but we have been provided information from two sources that your son Burke, prior to the murder of your daughter, owned and wore Hi-Tec boots that had a compass on them, which makes them distinctive. Do you recall -- if you don't recall that they actually were Hi-Tec, do you remember Burke having boots that had a compass on the laces?

A. Vaguely. I don't know if they were boots or tennis shoes. My memory is they were tennis shoes, but that is very vague. He had boots that had lights on them and all sorts of different things.

Q. But you do have some recollection that he had some type of footwear that had compasses attached to them?

A. I don't, I don't specifically remember them, but my impression is that he did, in my mind, yeah. But my impression was that they were tennis shoes.

Q. Sneakers?

A. Sneakers. Yeah. Ask Burke if he remembers it. I said, ask Burke, perhaps he -- well, we could certainly ask Burke.

http://www.webbsleuths.com/john2000.txt

[Athena]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


We know that the Ramseys were going to Michigan to celebrate Christmas there as well.

It's possible someone in her family told her that she would be seeing Santa after Christmas 12/25 was over & told her something about a surprise which she translated into 'secret.'

At 6 years old, children often confuse facts & wind up tell wild sounding stories.
(Added your quote from above to this post "Not suprprisingly, the Pro-Ramsey people never seem to be bothered about 'rumors' or inaccuracies that are repeated as long as it's beneficial to the Ramseys.") A

You know LI Mom I have never responded to a post made by you on a personal basis; have even supported you when I saw another poster unfairly attack you -- but I have to say now that you have repeatedly made blanket statements about pro-Ramsey people repeating rumors or inaccuracies - and I challenge you to show them.

Speaking for myself I support my statements with links, and updated ones I might add. You make statements with no supporting documentation, you make statements such as "I am sure, or even better that you could put yourself into the Ramseys' home and say what they did or did not do and other statements are just speculation. Also links from other forums IMO are not credible sources. They are posters just the same as we are offering their opinions.

This post you say 6 year olds confuse facts and wind up telling wild sounding stories which I suppose is a fair statement. But it is mere speculation on your part that JonBenet now confused the word "surprised" with secret although it was used in the content of "secret visit" - I wonder who is actually telling the wild sounding stories.

Before you make unfounded blanket statements about others I suggest you check out yours first. JMO

[ferretplay]

Originally posted by sunsplashed


This says green garland, like the garland decorating the spiral staircase in the house, was found tangled in her hair.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014k.htm

It's not the autopsy report; the source is apparently Linda Arndt.

It also states the ME could not state with certainty whether JB died from the head injury or from strangulation.

It's a newspaper article, though. It's going to have some misinformation, IMO.

Thanks, I was looking for that.

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by sunsplashed


This says green garland, like the garland decorating the spiral staircase in the house, was found tangled in her hair.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014k.htm

It's not the autopsy report; the source is apparently Linda Arndt.

It also states the ME could not state with certainty whether JB died from the head injury or from strangulation.

It's a newspaper article, though. It's going to have some misinformation, IMO.

ok...thought I missed it....because you stated that garland was in her hair....your source/link: autopsy report.

I read the autopsy report: Cause of death of this six year old: 'asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma'.

newspaper articles are flawed.

best regards,
Pru

[sunsplashed]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


ok...thought I missed it....because you stated that garland was in her hair....your source/link: autopsy report.

I read the autopsy report: Cause of death of this six year old: 'asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma'.

newspaper articles are flawed.

best regards,
Pru

No, I was wrong. I apologize. You didn't miss it, I recalled incorrectly. The autopsy report does not state garland was in her hair, Linda Arndt stated it.

I, too, think newspaper articles are often flawed.

Even police reports are flawed at times.

There was a lot of garland in the house, judging by the photos I've seen. It makes sense to me that there would be garland in her hair. I don't see anything strange about that.

The autopsy report states the way her hair was tied in two ponytails and the blue ties used to tie it.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Athena


You know LI Mom I have never responded to a post made by you on a personal basis; have even supported you when I saw another poster unfairly attack you -- but I have to say now that you have repeatedly made blanket statements about pro-Ramsey people repeating rumors or inaccuracies - and I challenge you to show them.

Speaking for myself I support my statements with links, and updated ones I might add. You make statements with no supporting documentation, you make statements such as "I am sure, or even better that you could put yourself into the Ramseys' home and say what they did or did not do and other statements are just speculation. Also links from other forums IMO are not credible sources. They are posters just the same as we are offering their opinions.

This post you say 6 year olds confuse facts and wind up telling wild sounding stories which I suppose is a fair statement. But it is mere speculation on your part that JonBenet now confused the word "surprised" with secret although it was used in the content of "secret visit" - I wonder who is actually telling the wild sounding stories.

Before you make unfounded blanket statements about others I suggest you check out yours first. JMO

I made ONE POST today saying 'pro-Ramsey people repeat rumors or inaccuracies' & if I made that statement at another time, it was in response to a specific post or poster. And in particular, I was thinking of the insistence of the pro-Ramsey posters to continually repeat the most likely UNTRUE claim that the dna from the panties & nails came from one person. When asked to provide a link OTHER THAN the single cbsnews article, they never do.

I would think that most people understand that a link to other message forums are going to offer other people's opinions. If people take the time to follow the links, they'll see that they are also a good source of information because the posters THERE are providing links to back up what they are saying.

People who are interested in learning about the case, should be willing to read what people think and WHY they've come to their conclusions.

And of course, most of what people talk about can be called 'speculation.'

But that is not limited to fence sitters or people who already believe the Ramseys are guilty.

People who believe the Ramseys are innocent are posting as much speculation as anyone else. Until someone is tried AND convicted of killing JB... all we have are theories and speculations.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by sunsplashed


There was a lot of garland in the house, judging by the photos I've seen. It makes sense to me that there would be garland in her hair. I don't see anything strange about that.

I never understood why the garland was important.

Couldn't she have easily gotten that in her hair when John carried her upstairs to bed?

Or maybe when Arndt laid down on the floor near the tree?

Or even at the party?

[sunsplashed]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


I never understood why the garland was important.

Couldn't she have easily gotten that in her hair when John carried her upstairs to bed?

Or maybe when Arndt laid down on the floor near the tree?

Or even at the party?

I don't see anything strange about the garland. There was probably garland all over the place, at the Ramseys and at the Whites.

What I find strange is the fact that her hair was in two ponytails, one on top of her head and one lower, and tied with blue ties (that IS in the autopsy report).

I honestly don't think Patsy would let JB wear her hair that way to the Whites. (I've never seen a photos of JB at the Whites, so don't know.)

According to books, that's the way Patsy brushed JB's hair for bed (the Ramseys book even). But other posters have said all Patsy said she did was take off her black velvet jeans and put on the long underwear. And I don't see how a killer would know how JB usually wore her hair when she went to bed. Certainly no one jealous of John or a pedophile or a kidnapper would know how Patsy usually brushed JB's hair for bed.

That, I find strange.

JMO

[sunsplashed]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


I made ONE POST today saying 'pro-Ramsey people repeat rumors or inaccuracies' & if I made that statement at another time, it was in response to a specific post or poster. And in particular, I was thinking of the insistence of the pro-Ramsey posters to continually repeat the most likely UNTRUE claim that the dna from the panties & nails came from one person. When asked to provide a link OTHER THAN the single cbsnews article, they never do.

I would think that most people understand that a link to other message forums are going to offer other people's opinions. If people take the time to follow the links, they'll see that they are also a good source of information because the posters THERE are providing links to back up what they are saying.

People who are interested in learning about the case, should be willing to read what people think and WHY they've come to their conclusions.

And of course, most of what people talk about can be called 'speculation.'

But that is not limited to fence sitters or people who already believe the Ramseys are guilty.

People who believe the Ramseys are innocent are posting as much speculation as anyone else. Until someone is tried AND convicted of killing JB... all we have are theories and speculations.

I agree. I find a lot of interesting and thought-provoking things on other boards. Those ideas lead me to research to substantiate or debunk them. I lean much I didn't know before. Some of it leads me to believe the Ramseys are innocent and some of it leads me to believe the Ramseys are guilty.

I think people who aren't willing to read and absorb the thoughts of others have waaaaaay too much invested in this case emotionally and are unable to look at the facts objectively.

I even get Ramsey supporters jumping on me for my word choice. That seems a little "desperate" to me. I'm not out to win any popularity contest. LOL

JMO

[hohum]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


I never understood why the garland was important.

Or even at the party?

Who said there was any garland at the White's Christmas party? The garland in JBs hair matched what was on the Ramsey staircase. More confusion.

[hohum]

Originally posted by Notnathanhecht
Patsy did it. It really is just that simple. The rest of the stuff is a bunch of red herrings.

And thank you for providing the motive and proof of that. :lol:

[Arizona]

Originally posted by sunsplashed


<snip>

I think people who aren't willing to read and absorb the thoughts of others have waaaaaay too much invested in this case emotionally and are unable to look at the facts objectively.

I even get Ramsey supporters jumping on me for my word choice. That seems a little "desperate" to me. I'm not out to win any popularity contest. LOL

JMO

It also can be said people who are willing to read and absorb people's thoughts have too much invested in this case emotionally and are unable to look at the facts objectively.

You dont think that some people who feel the Ramseys are guilty dont jump on others for their wording or posting?

I think it works all ways around. People need to quit nitpicking the spelling or the wording. Or anothers intelligence.
I could sit here and nitpick at how it appears some posters are on here 24/7. Many people, like me, do not have that kind of time to invest into this kind of thing.

My last paragraph is not directed at you. I guess I let more out then expected.

I read some posts where people try to act so much more educated and have made remarks on others grammar or spelling.
If these so-called educated people would stick with the topic of the discussion then I think there would be so much less rumor, confusion and argument.

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by sunsplashed


No, I was wrong. I apologize. You didn't miss it, I recalled incorrectly. The autopsy report does not state garland was in her hair, Linda Arndt stated it.

I, too, think newspaper articles are often flawed.

Even police reports are flawed at times.

There was a lot of garland in the house, judging by the photos I've seen. It makes sense to me that there would be garland in her hair. I don't see anything strange about that.

The autopsy report states the way her hair was tied in two ponytails and the blue ties used to tie it.

no problem! I did find this:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Legal%20Documents

12/26/06 search warrant

not sure how valid this document is (linked from boulder news archives) but if it is, this is Det Arndt's first mistake:

"At approximately 1300 hours Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, Fleet (friend of the family, and John Fernie to check the interior of the residence for any sign of JonBenet"

she did not assign someone from LE to go around with JR....she allowed him and family friends to 'search' unescorted? thats not securing 'the scene' IMO...

ps...the affidavit refers to Det A's observation of the garland in her hair...but that never makes it to the official autopsy findings.

best regards,
Pru

[hohum]

Originally posted by Athena


You know LI Mom I have never responded to a post made by you on a personal basis; have even supported you when I saw another poster unfairly attack you -- but I have to say now that you have repeatedly made blanket statements about pro-Ramsey people repeating rumors or inaccuracies - and I challenge you to show them.

Speaking for myself I support my statements with links, and updated ones I might add. You make statements with no supporting documentation, you make statements such as "I am sure, or even better that you could put yourself into the Ramseys' home and say what they did or did not do and other statements are just speculation. Also links from other forums IMO are not credible sources. They are posters just the same as we are offering their opinions.

This post you say 6 year olds confuse facts and wind up telling wild sounding stories which I suppose is a fair statement. But it is mere speculation on your part that JonBenet now confused the word "surprised" with secret although it was used in the content of "secret visit" - I wonder who is actually telling the wild sounding stories.

Before you make unfounded blanket statements about others I suggest you check out yours first. JMO

Very typical of this poster and best just to IGNORE. I've never seen another poster on any message board so able to say what should have been done, could have been done, purely personal speculation without merit as supporting evidence in the case.

[hohum]

Originally posted by Arizona




It also can be said people who are willing to read.....

Here is something key to the case and something many posters have not done. Read any books about the case, read the interrogation transcripts, or done any research. They just hit the keyboard running depending on shows like NG and other message boards for their information. Hence much erroneous information keeps getting posted. Look how many pages of posts were devoted to the color of the shirt JB was wearing the night she was murdered. It shows a lack of real interest in the case not to be correctly informed on the basic facts of the case at the very least. This case is 10 years old and there has been ample time to absorb the facts.

[MissOtisRegrets]

Was there ever an explanation given for the Barbie nightgown that was next to JonBenet's body and had her blood on it?

TIA

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


no problem! I did find this:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Legal%20Documents

12/26/06 search warrant

not sure how valid this document is (linked from boulder news archives) but if it is, this is Det Arndt's first mistake:

"At approximately 1300 hours Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, Fleet (friend of the family, and John Fernie to check the interior of the residence for any sign of JonBenet"

she did not assign someone from LE to go around with JR....she allowed him and family friends to 'search' unescorted? thats not securing 'the scene' IMO...

ps...the affidavit refers to Det A's observation of the garland in her hair...but that never makes it to the official autopsy findings.

best regards,
Pru

edited to reflect date of search warrant: '96 (my typo)

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by hohum


Here is something key to the case and something many posters have not done. Read any books about the case, read the interrogation transcripts, or done any research. They just hit the keyboard running depending on shows like NG and other message boards for their information. Hence much erroneous information keeps getting posted. Look how many pages of posts were devoted to the color of the shirt JB was wearing the night she was murdered. It shows a lack of real interest in the case not to be correctly informed on the basic facts of the case at the very least. This case is 10 years old and there has been ample time to absorb the facts.

Well thats pretty ignorant to give such a blanket statement. Probably a very few people here get there info about the case from NG and the others you spoke about. THose books written are just an opinion of the author, so please people, dont rely on books either. Look at the facts. Then use your own opinion, not any one elses, from the facts that you read.

[hohum]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl


Probably a very few people here get there info about the case from NG and the others you spoke about. THose books written are just an opinion of the author, so please people, dont rely on books either.

Oh sure NG is hardly ever mentioned here.

What books have you read? There are many facts of the case not personal opinions in Perfect Murder Perfect Town. Have you read that book? Facts come from research and reading not message boards.:lol:

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by Arizona




It also can be said people who are willing to read and absorb people's thoughts have too much invested in this case emotionally and are unable to look at the facts objectively.

You dont think that some people who feel the Ramseys are guilty dont jump on others for their wording or posting?

I think it works all ways around. People need to quit nitpicking the spelling or the wording. Or anothers intelligence.
I could sit here and nitpick at how it appears some posters are on here 24/7. Many people, like me, do not have that kind of time to invest into this kind of thing.

My last paragraph is not directed at you. I guess I let more out then expected.

I read some posts where people try to act so much more educated and have made remarks on others grammar or spelling.
If these so-called educated people would stick with the topic of the discussion then I think there would be so much less rumor, confusion and argument.

Amen Arizona! The baiting is so childish here, nitpicking is pretty hysterical and the gang rushing is just bullyish.

[drip~drop1]

Originally posted by TaraCrazyHair


I thought the panties were a gift from the Aunt and that was why the size was larger than she normally wore?

Hi TCH! LTNS!

After Patsy's death one of her sisters was on LKL (I think it was) and said that extra packages of undies in various sizes were kept at the house just in case a guest needed a pair.
Since I don't have a link, I'll just MOO it.

[MissOtisRegrets]

Was a satisfactory explanation ever given for this?:


http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The%20Body

"A "Barbie" nightgown belonging to JonBenet was also found in the wine cellar near her body. (SMF P 149; PSMF P 149.) JonBenet's blood was found only on her body and the Barbie nightgown. (SMF P 150; PSMF P 150.)" (Carnes 2003:17).


TIA