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samanthajane13
09-15-2009, 02:44 PM
By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer Jill Lawless, Associated Press Writer – 37 mins ago

LONDON – The world is endlessly fascinated with Jack the Ripper — but what about his victims?

On Tuesday an online genealogy company published census information that casts light on the lives of the women murdered by the Victorian serial killer.

The company findmypast.com trawled records of Britain's 1881 census for information on the five women generally accepted as victims of the Ripper: Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine Eddowes and Mary Jane Kelly.

All were killed between Aug. 31 and Dec. 20, 1888, in London's East End, where they worked as prostitutes. Their bodies were horribly mutilated.

The firm said the census data — available on its site and elsewhere online — provides "a small window onto the past" and dispels an image some people may have of the victims as teenage streetwalkers. Most were formerly married women with children who resorted to prostitution when their lives took a turn for the worse.

There is no record of Nichols or Kelly in the census, taken on April 3, 1881, suggesting they may already have been working the streets at that time.

Stride was recorded as 37 and living with her husband, a carpenter. Eddowes was 38, living with her husband and two children, her occupation listed as "charwoman."

Chapman was 40, married but living with her parents. She later moved out of London to live with her husband, a stud groom.

The women appear to have turned to prostitution after their marriages broke up. According to newspaper reports of the time, none of the victims was living with their husbands at the time of their deaths.

"Some people treat the Jack the Ripper story as a bit of a game," said Alex Werner, a Museum of London historian who curated a recent Jack the Ripper exhibition. "It wasn't a game. It was against real people in the East End, people who had fallen on really hard times, who had gravitated to the East End as a place where they could earn some kind of living as a prostitute."

Newspaper accounts at the time, which helped the Ripper's fame spread, touched on the women's fall from respectability.

The Star newspaper's report on Sept. 27, 1888, on the death of Chapman, struck a sympathetic tone, describing how a woman who "had perhaps a happy and innocent girlhood, and was once a wife, had to turn out and seek the sale of her body for the price of a bed."

"A few hours later," the newspaper said, "she was found a corpse."

The murderer's infamy spread quickly around the world. London newspapers reveled in the gore, which was spread across the country and to distant lands by telegraph. The killer was dubbed "Jack the Ripper" after a man using that pseudonym claimed responsibility in letters to the media and police.

No one was ever prosecuted for the murders, helping to fuel speculation about his identity that continues to this day. Among the suspects identified at various times are Francis Tumblety, an American quack doctor; Sir William Gull, physician to Queen Victoria; Victoria's grandson, Prince Albert Victor; and the artist Walter Sickert.

Andrew Cook, author of the recent book "Jack the Ripper," thinks the Ripper has always been a media creation. He argues that the crime could not have been committed by a single person.

Cook said the Ripper myth has been constructed from "layer upon layer of sediment, nonsense and crazy theories."

"It has become an industry," he said. "What really was a terrible scenario of events has almost become over-commercialized."

Werner doubts we will ever know the Ripper's true identity.

"My feeling is we'll never know for certain," said Werner. "We are too far away now to make sense of the different candidates."

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On the Net:

Historical census records: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_jack_the_ripper

SaraSidle
09-15-2009, 02:59 PM
By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer Jill Lawless, Associated Press Writer – 37 mins ago

LONDON – The world is endlessly fascinated with Jack the Ripper — but what about his victims?

On Tuesday an online genealogy company published census information that casts light on the lives of the women murdered by the Victorian serial killer.

The company findmypast.com trawled records of Britain's 1881 census for information on the five women generally accepted as victims of the Ripper: Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine Eddowes and Mary Jane Kelly.

All were killed between Aug. 31 and Dec. 20, 1888, in London's East End, where they worked as prostitutes. Their bodies were horribly mutilated.

The firm said the census data — available on its site and elsewhere online — provides "a small window onto the past" and dispels an image some people may have of the victims as teenage streetwalkers. Most were formerly married women with children who resorted to prostitution when their lives took a turn for the worse.

There is no record of Nichols or Kelly in the census, taken on April 3, 1881, suggesting they may already have been working the streets at that time.

Stride was recorded as 37 and living with her husband, a carpenter. Eddowes was 38, living with her husband and two children, her occupation listed as "charwoman."

Chapman was 40, married but living with her parents. She later moved out of London to live with her husband, a stud groom.

The women appear to have turned to prostitution after their marriages broke up. According to newspaper reports of the time, none of the victims was living with their husbands at the time of their deaths.

"Some people treat the Jack the Ripper story as a bit of a game," said Alex Werner, a Museum of London historian who curated a recent Jack the Ripper exhibition. "It wasn't a game. It was against real people in the East End, people who had fallen on really hard times, who had gravitated to the East End as a place where they could earn some kind of living as a prostitute."

Newspaper accounts at the time, which helped the Ripper's fame spread, touched on the women's fall from respectability.

The Star newspaper's report on Sept. 27, 1888, on the death of Chapman, struck a sympathetic tone, describing how a woman who "had perhaps a happy and innocent girlhood, and was once a wife, had to turn out and seek the sale of her body for the price of a bed."

"A few hours later," the newspaper said, "she was found a corpse."

The murderer's infamy spread quickly around the world. London newspapers reveled in the gore, which was spread across the country and to distant lands by telegraph. The killer was dubbed "Jack the Ripper" after a man using that pseudonym claimed responsibility in letters to the media and police.

No one was ever prosecuted for the murders, helping to fuel speculation about his identity that continues to this day. Among the suspects identified at various times are Francis Tumblety, an American quack doctor; Sir William Gull, physician to Queen Victoria; Victoria's grandson, Prince Albert Victor; and the artist Walter Sickert.

Andrew Cook, author of the recent book "Jack the Ripper," thinks the Ripper has always been a media creation. He argues that the crime could not have been committed by a single person.

Cook said the Ripper myth has been constructed from "layer upon layer of sediment, nonsense and crazy theories."

"It has become an industry," he said. "What really was a terrible scenario of events has almost become over-commercialized."

Werner doubts we will ever know the Ripper's true identity.

"My feeling is we'll never know for certain," said Werner. "We are too far away now to make sense of the different candidates."

___

On the Net:

Historical census records: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_jack_the_ripper

Makes me wonder if any of the husbands were looked at????

taboo
09-16-2009, 09:18 AM
I went to drama school in Whitechapel where some of his victims were found . It was mostly around the east end I think one of the stations close by has illustrations on the wall . At another station I think its Charing Cross theres illustrations on the wall of Guy Forks and the men who plotted to blow up Houses Of Parliment . Thats why every 5th November we have fireworks and a dummy in the middle of a fire .

Marian Paroo
09-16-2009, 09:59 AM
I went to drama school in Whitechapel where some of his victims were found . It was mostly around the east end I think one of the stations close by has illustrations on the wall . At another station I think its Charing Cross theres illustrations on the wall of Guy Forks and the men who plotted to blow up Houses Of Parliment . Thats why every 5th November we have fireworks and a dummy in the middle of a fire .

Penny for the Guy?

I may be in Cambridge with some friends on Guy Fawkes night -- she's a chef so she should be doing some good food! And :beer: ! I could do a couple of bottles of Old Peculiar! Can't get it here.

taboo
09-16-2009, 11:06 AM
oh i am so sorry for my spelling of GUY FORKS! I am deslexic ! Now i feel like a right ninny . I was terrafied of fireworks as a child , one time i went to Disney World with my parents and younger sister and would CRY and like scream i was patrafied they still kind of scare me . But I like the pretty colours. Best thing about guy fawks night is the fun fairs and hot dogs ! xxx

Marian Paroo
09-16-2009, 11:38 AM
oh i am so sorry for my spelling of GUY FORKS! I am deslexic ! Now i feel like a right ninny . I was terrafied of fireworks as a child , one time i went to Disney World with my parents and younger sister and would CRY and like scream i was patrafied they still kind of scare me . But I like the pretty colours. Best thing about guy fawks night is the fun fairs and hot dogs ! xxx

Best fun fair I ever went to was one in London in '82 -- for the Lord Mayors Procession.

But boy, am I getting off topic...

I've been in London a number of times, and love the London Walks. But I would never take a Ripper Walk. I think that's exploitation .

taboo
09-16-2009, 01:33 PM
Best fun fair I ever went to was one in London in '82 -- for the Lord Mayors Procession.

But boy, am I getting off topic...

I've been in London a number of times, and love the London Walks. But I would never take a Ripper Walk. I think that's exploitation .

Ok we can say one more thing and then back to the topic . I use to give walking tours mostly to italian groups it was so much fun !!! One time I did a ghost tour but got lost most the time and pretty much winged it but shhhh !

Oh and White Chapel where all the Rippers Victims were found is inhabited by a large Asian community ( along with places like Bethnal Green ) . When I went to drama school I didnt particulary like the place nothing to do with the Asian community ! But it was very grubby and just not a very nice ora about it maybe his ghost still lingers .... spooky ! There is a hospital too but I dont know how old it is ...