Spokeswoman: 7 found dead at Ga. mobile home [Archive]

samanthajane13

08-29-2009, 04:12 PM

By RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writer Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writer – 1 min ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – A spokeswoman for a southeastern Georgia county says seven people have been killed at a mobile home.

Glynn County spokeswoman Candice Temple confirmed the deaths Saturday but wouldn't say how they died. Two people are also in critical condition.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering says authorities discovered the victims when responding to a 911 call shortly after 8 a.m. Saturday.

Doering says injured were taken to area hospitals.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — Authorities in southeastern Georgia say multiple people have been found dead at a mobile home and two people are critically injured.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering says authorities discovered the victims when responding to a 911 call shortly after 8 a.m. Saturday.

Doering wouldn't say how many were found dead or how they were killed. The injured were taken to area hospitals.

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SaraSidle

08-29-2009, 04:30 PM

samanthajane13

08-29-2009, 06:02 PM

Police chief: 7 found slain at Ga. mobile home
By RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writer Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writer – 44 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – Seven people were found slain and two critically injured Saturday at a mobile home located on a historic plantation in southeastern Georgia, police said.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering called it the worst mass slaying in his 25 years of police work in this coastal Georgia county. He wouldn't say how the victims died and released few other details.

"This is a record for us. We've never had such an incident with so many victims," Doering told reporters. "It's not a scene that I would want anybody to see."

Doering said police were working on leads to identify a suspect but that no arrests had been made Saturday afternoon. He said a family member called 911 at about 8 a.m. Saturday.

The two injured victims were taken to a Savannah hospital 60 miles away and were in critical condition, Doering said.

Doering said some of the victims had been tentatively identified, but he would not release any names or ages. He said only that the victims ranged "from a young age to a very old age."

The home where the bodies were found is part of a mobile home park consisting of about 100 spaces and nestled among centuries-old live oak trees near the center of New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

The 1,100 acre tract a few miles north of the port city of Brunswick is all that remains of a Crown grant made in 1763 to Henry Laurens, who later succeeded John Hancock as president of the Continental Congress in 1777.

Laurens obtained control of the South Altamaha river lands and named it New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

Lisa Vizcaino, who has lived at New Hope for three years, said the management works hard to keep troublemakers out of the mobile home park and that it tends to be quiet.

"New Hope isn't rundown or trashy at all," Vizcaino said. "It's the kind of place where you can actually leave your keys in the car and not worry about anything."

Vizcaino said she didn't know the victims and heard nothing unusual when she woke up at 7 a.m. Saturday morning. After word of the slayings spread, she said, the park was quieter than usual.

"Everybody had pretty much stayed in their houses," Vizcaino said. "Normally you would see kids outside, but everybody's been pretty much on lockdown."

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samanthajane13

08-29-2009, 09:00 PM

7 found slain at Ga. mobile home, 2 badly hurt
By RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writer Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writer – 34 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – Seven people were found slain and two critically injured Saturday at a mobile home park built on the grounds of a historic plantation in southeastern Georgia, police said.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering called it the worst mass slaying in his 25 years of police work in this coastal Georgia county. He wouldn't say how the victims died.

"This is a record for us. We've never had such an incident with so many victims," Doering told reporters. "It's not a scene that I would want anybody to see."

A family member called 911 at about 8 a.m. Saturday after discovering the bodies inside a dingy mobile home shaded by large, moss-draped oaks with an old boat in the front yard.

At an afternoon news conference, Doering declined to say whether police believe the killer was among the dead or remained at large. No arrests had been made.

Investigators were interviewing neighbors about whether they saw or heard anything unusual Saturday morning.

The two injured victims were taken to a Savannah hospital 60 miles away and were in critical condition, Doering said.

By early Saturday evening, four of the seven bodies had been removed from the crime scene. Some of the victims had been tentatively identified, but Doering would not release any names or ages.

"I really don't know the ages," Doering said. "There were some older-aged victims and we believe there were some in their teens."

Located a few miles north of the port city of Brunswick, the mobile home park consists of about 100 spaces and is nestled among centuries-old live oak trees near the center of New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

The 1,100 acre tract is all that remains of a Crown grant made in 1763 to Henry Laurens, who later succeeded John Hancock as president of the Continental Congress in 1777.

Laurens obtained control of the South Altamaha river lands and named it New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

Lisa Vizcaino, who has lived at New Hope for three years, said the management works hard to keep troublemakers out of the mobile home park and that it tends to be quiet.

"New Hope isn't rundown or trashy at all," Vizcaino said. "It's the kind of place where you can actually leave your keys in the car and not worry about anything."

Vizcaino said she didn't know the victims and heard nothing unusual when she woke up at 7 a.m. Saturday morning. After word of the slayings spread, she said, the park was quieter than usual.

"Everybody had pretty much stayed in their houses," Vizcaino said. "Normally you would see kids outside, but everybody's been pretty much on lockdown."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090829/ap_on_re_us/us_mobile_home_slayings

samanthajane13

08-30-2009, 01:35 PM

Police arrest man who reported 7 dead in Ga. home
By RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writer Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writer – 16 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – Police said Sunday they arrested a family member who called 911 to report finding seven people slain in a southeast Georgia mobile home, but the charges were drug-related and police wouldn't say if the man was a suspect in the killings.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said Guy Heinze Jr., 22, was arrested late Saturday and charged with illegal possession of prescription drugs and marijuana, tampering with evidence and making false statements to police.

"He was a family member who came home and discovered (the victims), at least that's what he told us," Doering told reporters. "He was the one who called 911."

Asked if police believe Heinze was involved in the slayings, Doering said: "I'm not going to characterize him as a suspect."

The chief also said police didn't know whether more than one person was involved.

Police have released few details about the grisly mass slaying in this coastal Georgia county. Seven people were found dead along with two critically injured survivors Saturday morning inside a dingy mobile home at a trailer park built on the grounds of a historic plantation.

Autopsies were being conducted Sunday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. The two surviving victims remained in critical condition Sunday morning at a hospital in Savannah, 60 miles north of the crime scene, Doering said.

Police have not released the victims' names or said how they died, but Doering said investigators have ruled out those found dead or injured as having committed the killings.

"We're comfortable that none of those nine were involved with this assault," he said.

Investigators were talking to neighbors about whether they saw or heard anything unusual at the home shaded by large, moss-draped oaks with an old boat in the front yard. Police had not been able to speak with the survivors, who may be the only witnesses.

All seven bodies were tentatively identified and Doering said families of the victims had been notified, but he would not release any names or ages before receiving the autopsy results. He had previously said that he didn't know their ages, but that some were older while others were in their teens.

The mobile home park consists of about 100 spaces and is nestled among centuries-old live oak trees near the center of New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

The 1,100 acre tract is all that remains of a Crown grant made in 1763 to Henry Laurens, who later succeeded John Hancock as president of the Continental Congress in 1777.

Laurens obtained control of the South Altamaha river lands and named it New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

Lisa Vizcaino, who has lived at New Hope for three years, said the management works hard to keep troublemakers out of the mobile home park and that it tends to be quiet.

"New Hope isn't rundown or trashy at all," Vizcaino said Saturday. "It's the kind of place where you can actually leave your keys in the car and not worry about anything."

Vizcaino said she didn't know the victims and heard nothing unusual when she woke up at 7 a.m. Saturday morning. After word of the slayings spread, she said, the park was quieter than usual.

"Everybody had pretty much stayed in their houses," Vizcaino said. "Normally you would see kids outside, but everybody's been pretty much on lockdown."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090830/ap_on_re_us/us_mobile_home_slayings

One2Snoop

08-30-2009, 11:19 PM

Police: 8th person dead in Ga. mobile home attack

By RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writer Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 28 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – An eighth person has died in an attack on a Georgia mobile home, police said Sunday.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering identified the victim as 19-year-old Michael Toler. He was one of two people critically injured in the attacks in Brunswick along the Georgia coast. A ninth is hospitalized.

The man who reported the gruesome slayings, originally of seven people, faces charges of lying to police and tampering with evidence, and authorities said they haven't ruled him out as a suspect in the killings.

The killer was not among the dead, whose bodies were found Saturday, or the last survivor, according to Doering.

Doering also announced a $25,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and conviction. He said police have no other suspects, adding: "We need help."

Guy Heinze Jr., 22, was arrested late Saturday and also faces charges of illegal possession of prescription drugs and marijuana, said Doering.

"He was a family member who came home and discovered (the victims), at least that's what he told us," Doering said.

Asked if Heinze was involved in the slayings, Doering said: "I'm not going to rule him out, but I'm not going to characterize him as a suspect."

Police have not released the other victims' names or said how they died in the home on an old plantation, nestled among centuries-old, moss-draped oak trees in coastal southeast Georgia. Doering defended his vague statements about the case, saying he didn't want the public to know details that might compromise what he called a "tedious" investigation.

"We just simply don't have a lot to go on," Doering said. "I'm not going to tell people not to be cautious. Until we know exactly what happened and who did it, that's not going to change."

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation began conducting autopsies Sunday. GBI spokesman John Bankhead said results would be released by Glynn County police, and Doering refused to comment, saying it could take two or three days for autopsies to be completed.

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samanthajane13

08-31-2009, 12:00 AM

Thanks for the update, Snoop!!!

lighthousedazy

08-31-2009, 08:06 AM

Ga. city worries that mass killer is on the loose
By RUSS BYNUM
Toni Mugavin says she wonders if she needs to sleep with a gun under her pillow, afraid the killer of eight people at a Georgia mobile home is still on the loose and frustrated with the lack of information about what happened.
The eighth casualty came Sunday, a day after police discovered seven bodies and two survivors in one mobile home in Brunswick. The latest victim was Michael Toler, 19, who lived in the home and had been hospitalized Saturday. He is the first and only victim police have named.

Police have refused to say how the eight were killed or give a possible motive.

"There's no manhunt, no suspect. Was it a murder-suicide? There's nothing specific they're telling us," the 50-year-old Mugavin said Sunday.

Police acknowledged they don't know if the killer was still out there, urging residents to be aware and cautious.

"The person or persons responsible for this still remain unknown to us," said Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering, who added the killer could have fled to another county or even another state. "I cannot tell you if they are at large. I simply do not know."

The victims ranged in age from teenagers to adults, with a ninth person hospitalized with critical injuries Sunday in Savannah. Police are offering a $25,000 reward for information, with Doering saying, "We need help."

Police have arrested one man - a family member who lived in the mobile home and called 911 to report the attack, police said. Guy Heinze Jr., 22, faces charges of tampering with evidence, lying to police and illegal possession of prescription drugs and marijuana. He was jailed Sunday.

"He ... came home and discovered (the victims), at least that's what he told us," Doering said.

Asked if Heinze was involved in the slayings, Doering said: "I'm not going to rule him out, but I'm not going to characterize him as a suspect."

The killer was not among the dead or the last survivor, according to Doering.

Earlier, Doering said it was the worst murder case he had ever encountered in his 25 years with the county that includes Brunswick, a city of about 16,000 people between Savannah and Jacksonville, Fla., along Georgia's southeastern coast.

The slayings happened in a dingy mobile home built on the grounds of a historic plantation, nestled among centuries-old, moss-draped oak trees. The park consists of about 100 spaces and is near the center of New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

The 1,100-acre tract is all that remains of a Crown grant made in 1763 to Henry Laurens, who later succeeded John Hancock as president of the Continental Congress in 1777.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation was conducting autopsies Sunday on four of the victims. GBI spokesman John Bankhead said Glynn County police would be in charge of releasing any results, and Doering refused to comment on them. He said autopsies on the remaining four victims would begin Monday.

Doering defended his vague statements about the case, saying he didn't want the public to know details that might compromise what he called a "tedious" investigation.

Still, the dearth of information has frustrated residents, said Mary Strickland, who owns The Georgia Pig, a popular local barbecue place.

"If it is a murder-suicide then let people know so they don't think there's some lunatic out there," Strickland said. "We got a lot of people who panic and the more information you put out there, the better you make them feel."

http://www.macon.com/local/story/827004.html

samanthajane13

08-31-2009, 12:00 PM

Ga. 911 caller screams `My whole family is dead!'
By RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writer Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writer – 31 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – A frantic caller told authorities he had just come home to find several relatives apparently beaten to death and another barely breathing, according to a 911 tape released Monday from the weekend attack at a mobile home park in southeastern Georgia.

"My whole family is dead!" screamed Guy Heinze Jr., 22. "It looks like they've been beaten to death. I don't know what to do, man."

When authorities arrived Saturday morning, they found seven people dead and two clinging to life. One of the survivors died Sunday, raising the death toll to eight.

Police have refused to say how they were killed or why and have said they don't know if the killer or killers are still in the area. Heinze was arrested on drug and other charges but police have not called him a suspect in the slaying.

On the 911 call, made from a neighbor's home, Heinze said his father, uncle and cousins were among the dead. He also pleads with a 911 operator to send help for one of two survivors whose face was "smashed in" but was still breathing. Heinze says the survivor is his cousin Michael and that he has Down syndrome.

"Michael's alive, tell them to hurry!" Heinze said. "He's breathing! He needs help!"

Police on Sunday said one man rescued at the scene, 19-year-old Michael Toler, had died at a Savannah hospital. The lone remaining survivor was in critical condition, police said.

Police have said the killer was not among the dead or the last survivor. They also said they have no evidence to suggest that suicide was involved.

Neighbor Margaret Orlinski, who called 911 after Heinze came screaming to her home, told a 911 operator that a baby also lived in the mobile home where the victims were found.

"I know there's a little baby," Orlinski says on the recording. "Shoot, there's a little babe. I don't know if the baby was in there or not."

Heinze doesn't mention a baby on the 911 recording. Police have declined to give ages of the victims, but Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering has said there were "no infants" among them.

Police have arrested Heinze, the 911 caller, on suspicion of tampering with evidence, lying to police and illegal possession of prescription drugs and marijuana. He was jailed Sunday.

Asked if Heinze was involved in the slayings, Doering said: "I'm not going to rule him out, but I'm not going to characterize him as a suspect."

Police acknowledged they don't know if the killer was still out there, urging residents to be aware and cautious.

"The person or persons responsible for this still remain unknown to us," Doering said Sunday, adding the killer could have fled to another county or even another state. "I cannot tell you if they are at large. I simply do not know."

The uncertainty has created fear among some in the town.

Resident Toni Mugavin said she wonders if she needs to sleep with a gun under her pillow, afraid the killer is still on the loose. Mugavin expressed frustration with the lack of information about what happened.

"There's no manhunt, no suspect," said Mugavin, 50. "There's nothing specific they're telling us."

Earlier, Doering said it was the worst murder case he had ever encountered in his 25 years with the county that includes Brunswick, a city of about 16,000 people between Savannah and Jacksonville, Fla., along Georgia's southeastern coast.

The slayings happened in a mobile home park on the grounds of a historic plantation, nestled among centuries-old, moss-draped oak trees. The park consists of about 100 spaces and is near the center of New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

The 1,100-acre tract is all that remains of a Crown grant made in 1763 to Henry Laurens, who later succeeded John Hancock as president of the Continental Congress in 1777.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation was conducting autopsies Sunday on four of the victims. GBI spokesman John Bankhead said Glynn County police would be in charge of releasing any results, and Doering refused to comment on them. He said autopsies on the remaining four victims were to begin Monday.

Doering defended his vague statements about the case, saying he didn't want the public to know details that might compromise what he called a "tedious" investigation.

Still, the dearth of information has frustrated residents, said Mary Strickland, who owns The Georgia Pig, a popular local barbecue place.

"We got a lot of people who panic and the more information you put out there, the better you make them feel," Strickland said

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Associated Press Writer Dionne Walker in Atlanta contributed to this report.

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scubadvr99

08-31-2009, 07:45 PM

http://www.news4jax.com/download/2009/0831/20645886.mp3

Uncut 911 call. It is on the Jacksonville News Station.

samanthajane13

08-31-2009, 08:28 PM

Thanks so much, scubadvr99!!!

Great link!!

SaraSidle

08-31-2009, 09:08 PM

http://www.news4jax.com/download/2009/0831/20645886.mp3

Uncut 911 call. It is on the Jacksonville News Station.

hey scubadvr it is great to see you back.!!!!!!!!!1 sara

lighthousedazy

09-01-2009, 08:03 AM

http://www.macon.com/149/story/828231.html

Southeast Ga. police chief plays mobile home slayings close to the vest
By KATE BRUMBACK and RUSS BYNUM
Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering knows the public is eager to know more about the mysterious slayings of eight people in this Georgia coastal city but is reticent to release details that might destroy his investigation.
Two days after seven bodies and two critically injured victims were found in a Brunswick mobile home, he refused to release most of their names, ages or how they were killed - though some of that could come during a Tuesday afternoon briefing. No motive and no suspects, he says. And police are not sure if the killer was still in the area.

"I understand their frustration," Doering said Monday about the public's desire for knowledge. "But this is a very difficult investigation. ...I have to be very careful."

On the flipside, the chief was willing to release the recording of the 911 call made by Guy Heinze Jr., who arrived early Saturday to find seven members of his family dead and two more clinging to life. One of the survivors, 19-year-old Michael Toler, later died at a hospital, bringing the total dead to eight. The ninth victim remained in critical condition.

The tape provided a chilling glimpse of the gory scene.

"My dad's dead, my uncle's dead. There's like six. My whole family's dead!" Heinze said, struggling to describe the scene to a dispatcher after his neighbor called 911 and handed him the phone. "It looks like they've been beaten to death. I don't know what to do, man."

Moments later, the 22-year-old who is facing charges of lying to police and other counts went back inside and discovered his cousin Michael still breathing.

"Michael's alive, tell them to hurry!" Heinze yelled in the background as a maintenance man at the mobile home park stayed on the phone with the dispatcher. "He's beat up! His face is smashed in!"

The 12-minute call provided some of the only details about the crime that Doering calls the worst murder case in his 25 years on the job. He said he expected to be able to release the identities at a Tuesday news conference once all the autopsies have been completed. The killings have the community on edge, and some have been critical of the lack of information.

Others are supportive.

Thomas Joiner, who has lived in the area since 1955 and lives about five miles from the mobile home park, said he didn't fault the chief for withholding information.

"I understand what the police are doing. You cannot give too many details," he said, adding that that could make it harder to solve the crime.

But he said the uncertainty over whether a violent killer was still on the loose is tough to take and he's not taking chances.

"I am being very vigilant," he said, adding that he has a pit bull as a guard dog, keeps his shotgun handy and, since Saturday, has started locking his doors at all times, something he never felt the need to do.

Doering also took a reporter, photographer and video cameraman to see and film the outside of the crime scene from the back seat of his police car Saturday after the mobile home park's management refused all day to let reporters onto the property.

But he can also be coy. At a news conference Sunday, Doering gave a brief update and took questions for 20 minutes before revealing the day's biggest news - that Heinze had been arrested. Heinze is expected to make his first court appearance Wednesday. Doering has not called him a suspect and Heinze's lawyer said his client is very upset and denies any involvement in the killings.

Though he'd already been asked if police had any suspects, Doering said teasingly at the news conference that he was surprised nobody asked specifically about arrests.

"I was waiting for one of y'all to say, 'Gee, Matt, I went down to the jail and checked the records and you all are doing pretty good,'" he said.

His guarding of details in a high-profile crime isn't new.

A weeklong search for a missing 6-year-old boy in March 2007 ended with Christopher Barrios being found dead. Police charged a convicted child molester and his parents with sexually assaulting and killing the boy.

As he's done since last weekend's mass slaying, Doering called frequent news conferences to accommodate reporters - but also kept back details he believed could jeopardize the case. He revealed names of suspects, who police had questioned for days, only after charges were filed. Details of how the boy died didn't emerge until the suspects were indicted.

Amy Callaway sits on the county board of commissioners. She declined to say whether officials were briefed on details not made public but supported the chief.

"I think the police chief is being very guarded because he's trying to protect the families. I think that's his main concern right now," Callaway said. "As time goes on, more and more information will come out."

lighthousedazy

09-01-2009, 08:44 AM

"Mass murder probe now in Florida"

http://www.gpb.org/news/2009/08/31/mass-murder-probe-now-in-fla

scubadvr99

09-01-2009, 09:29 AM

hey scubadvr it is great to see you back.!!!!!!!!!1 sara

Thanks Sara, I have a lot of catching up to do!!!

scubadvr99

09-01-2009, 09:37 AM

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20663543/detail.html

Names of the victims are released.

SaraSidle

09-01-2009, 12:00 PM

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20663543/detail.html

Names of the victims are released.

Excellent links. I kind of feel bad for the one who is arrested. I mean if he had nothing to do with it his family was just murdered and he has to process that in Jail. I guess they are doing what they have to. IMO sara

scubadvr99

09-01-2009, 01:52 PM

SaraSidle

09-01-2009, 02:13 PM

I would have to think that several people were involved because with that many adults, they could have overcome one person doing this.

I have to wonder was the family member arrested because of involvement, for his protection, or was it really just for lying and the drugs???

IMO

well he did find a shotgun at the scene and hid it. that is suspicious to me.
so strange. If a shotgun had been used the neighbors should have heard it and called 911 also......IMO sara

samanthajane13

09-01-2009, 03:03 PM

Ga. mobile home slayings hit extended family
By KATE BRUMBACK and RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writers Kate Brumback And Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writers – 45 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – The eight people slain in a weekend mobile home attack in coastal Georgia included a father and four older children and other members of an extended family, police and relatives said Tuesday.

Police released the names and ages of the dead in a short statement three days after the carnage was first reported in a frantic 911 call by a relative who discovered the bodies on returning home. No suspect has been named in the Saturday killings that have rocked this Atlantic port city between Savannah and Jacksonville, Fla.

The dead included Russell D. Toler Sr., 44, and his four children: Chrissy Toler, 22; Russell D. Toler Jr., 20; Michael Toler, 19; and Michelle Toler, 15. Police did not characterized their relationship, but a relative by marriage and an acquaintance confirmed it to The Associated Press.

Guy Heinze Jr., who first reported the deaths in a 911 call released Monday, told the operator he had just found his father, Guy Heinze Sr., 45, his uncle and several cousins apparently beaten to death. His uncle is believed to be Toler Sr.

Several hours after the 911 call, police arrested Heinze Jr. on charges of drug possession, tampering with evidence and lying to a police officer. Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said he isn't calling Heinze a suspect in the killings, nor is he ruling him out.

Also killed in the attack were Brenda Gail Falagan, 49, and Joseph L. West, 30. Their connections to the family were not immediately known.

Mark Hill was once married to Toler Sr.'s ex-wife and stepfather to their four children — Chrissy, Russell Jr., Michael and Michelle.

"They were good kids, well mannered, well behaved," Hill said in an interview before the names were released. "Every one of them were good kids."

Hill said he and the mother of the children divorced about eight years ago and he had not seen them in several years.

An acquaintance of Toler Sr., Sam Davis, said Toler and his children used to stop in at the convenience store where Davis worked when the family lived in nearby Townsend.

"He was just a nice guy. Quiet, humble. He'd do anything for anybody in the world," Davis said, adding Toler Sr. was always buying snacks and drinks for his children. "He looked like he loved his kids. I'd see him stop by with them going on fishing trips."

Police have not released many details of the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the investigation. They have not confirmed the cause of death, and have not identified a suspect in the attack. Autopsies were completed Monday.

The 12-minute 911 call by Heinze Jr. has provided some of the only details about the crime that Doering, the police chief, has called the worst murder case in his 25 years on the job.

On the call, Heinze Jr. screamed, "My whole family's dead!" The 22-year-old struggled to describe what he saw, and at one point returned to the mobile home to find his cousin Michael, whom he says has Down syndrome, barely breathing.

"Michael's alive, tell them to hurry!" Heinze Jr. is heard yelling in the background as a maintenance man at the mobile home park spoke with the dispatcher. "He's beat up! His face is smashed in!"

Michael Toler died Sunday at a Savannah hospital. The sole survivor, whose age and name has not been released, remains in critical condition.

Heinze Jr.'s first court appearance was set for Wednesday. His attorney, Ron Harrison, said Heinze Jr. was not involved in the killings and was "deeply saddened, very distraught."

The killings have the community on edge, and some have been critical of the lack of information being released by police. Others have been supportive.

Thomas Joiner, who has lived in the area since 1955, said he didn't fault the chief for withholding information. But he said the uncertainty over whether a violent killer was on the loose is tough to take and he's not taking chances.

"I am being very vigilant," he said, adding that he has a pit bull as a guard dog, keeps his shotgun handy and, since Saturday, has started locking his doors at all times, something he never felt the need to do.

(This version CORRECTS ages of Toler Jr., Heinze Sr, Falagan and West per updated information from police. )

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090901/ap_on_re_us/us_mobile_home_slayings

scubadvr99

09-01-2009, 09:17 PM

well he did find a shotgun at the scene and hid it. that is suspicious to me.
so strange. If a shotgun had been used the neighbors should have heard it and called 911 also......IMO sara

I agree if that someone would have heard a shotgun blast. I didn't realize he was hiding stuff, but did wonder what he had done at the scene.

Thanks for the info Sara :seeya:

samanthajane13

09-01-2009, 09:56 PM

8 people slain in Ga. were 'good country folks'
By KATE BRUMBACK and RUSS BYNUM, Associated Press Writers Kate Brumback And Russ Bynum, Associated Press Writers – 14 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – Rusty Toler Sr. took in people who were down on their luck, packing his mobile home with relatives and others who had lost their jobs or fallen on hard times.

It's what good country folk do, says the manager of the park where Toler, his four children, two siblings and his daughter's boyfriend were found slain. Ten people lived in the single-wide, 980-square-foot trailer in coastal Georgia that cost Toler $405 a month.

Police have no suspects and have not said how the family died.

"They were very good people," said Laura Davis, an aunt to Toler's children. "They struggled but they had what they needed. They had a roof over their heads and clothes on their backs."

Police released the names and ages of the dead Tuesday, three days after the carnage was reported in a frantic 911 call by a relative who said he had returned from a night out to find his whole family dead.

"It's just a shock," said Gail Montgomery, who manages the New Hope Plantation mobile home park where Toler and his family lived. "They were just what I'd call good country folks. I don't think any of them would hurt a fly."

The victims included 44-year-old Toler and his four children: Chrissy Toler, 22; Russell D. Toler Jr., 20; Michael Toler, 19; and Michelle Toler, 15.

Also killed were two of Toler's siblings — Guy Heinze Sr., 45, and Brenda Gail Falagan, 49, as well as 30-year-old Joseph L. West, Chrissy Toler's boyfriend. A ninth victim, whom police did not identify, remained in critical condition Tuesday.

Montgomery said the elder Toler had taken in his brother, a nephew, his daughter and her boyfriend because they had lost jobs and couldn't find work. Montgomery said his daughter's young child also lived with them and was the lone survivor.

Toler Sr. had worked for 20 years at a plant that dries chemicals and food products located behind the mobile home park, but was laid off several months ago, said Kathy Clock, administrative assistant to the owner of the plant and New Hope Plantation.

Montgomery said Toler Sr. also did odd jobs for her, including groundskeeping and hauling trailers.

But he had too many people living in the home. They were told more than two months ago they would have to move, which they planned to do.

"He had a big heart," Montgomery said. "And you just don't tell your family no."

Toler Sr. received notice of eviction proceedings Aug. 13 and was to have been in court with the landlord Monday, two days after he was killed. Montgomery said they had come to an agreement — the family had found a new place and promised to move out by Sept. 8.

"Rusty took care of family," Clock said. "If you needed a place to sleep, there was a place to sleep."

Davis, the children's aunt, said she had never known the family to have enemies, especially anyone who would want to kill them.

"I don't think somebody did this because they're mad at them," Davis said. "I think this is just a senseless murder."

Police have released little information about the case that has rocked this port city between Savannah and Jacksonville, Fla., saying they don't want to jeopardize their investigation.

It was Heinze's son, Guy Heinze Jr., 22, who told police he found the bodies after returning home Saturday morning.

A recording of a 12-minute 911 call has provided some of the only details about the crime.

Heinze Jr. could be heard on the call screaming, "My whole family's dead!" and struggled to describe what he saw, at one point returning to the mobile home to find his cousin Michael, whom he said had Down syndrome, barely breathing.

"Michael's alive, tell them to hurry!" Heinze Jr. yelled in the background as a maintenance man at the mobile home park spoke with a dispatcher. "He's beat up! His face is smashed in!"

Michael Toler died Sunday at a hospital in Savannah.

Several hours after Heinze Jr. said he found the bodies, police arrested him on charges of drug possession, tampering with evidence and lying to a police officer. Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said he isn't calling Heinze Jr. a suspect in the killings but isn't ruling him out. Heinze's attorney said he is distraught over the slayings and was not involved.

"My client believes the killer is still on the loose," said the lawyer, Ron Harrison, who said Heinze Jr. is cooperating with police.

Heinze Jr. is scheduled for court on Wednesday.

A graveside service was tentatively set for the Tolers, Heinze and Falagan on Saturday, according to the Howard-Jones-Nobles Funeral Home. Details of West's funeral were not immediately available.

"The only comfort I can draw from this is that Rusty did the best he could for his children," Davis said. "And he's in heaven now with his children."

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Associated Press writer Greg Bluestein in Atlanta contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_re_us/us_mobile_home_slayings

scubadvr99

09-01-2009, 11:22 PM

Thanks for the update Samantha. I haven't had a chance to catch up on the news today.

samanthajane13

09-02-2009, 12:57 AM

You're welcome, hon!!

Thanks again for the local info!!!

lighthousedazy

09-02-2009, 02:00 AM

I agree if that someone would have heard a shotgun blast. I didn't realize he was hiding stuff, but did wonder what he had done at the scene.

Thanks for the info Sara :seeya:From the 911 call, I don't think a shot gun was involved either. If these people were beaten, there had to be more than one perpetrator. jmo.

My thoughts: "I do hope that this case is solved soon also. I think the Heinze fellow that came home and called 911 has been arrested for his own protection. I also think there had to be several perpetrators also. I also wish the LE could release some more info to either ease the minds of the local community or heighten their awareness that there may be some murderers in the area. This does bring back memories of the Alday case and also a case that happened in Jones County, (central Ga, north of Macon) about 12 years ago. Gerry Moss came home from work and found her husband and 11 year old son and 15 year old daughter shot to death in their home. It was determined that robbery was the motive and the Jones County SO canvassed the neighborhood and questioned every vehicle that came and left that neighborhood for at least 8 hours or longer and they had arrested the 2 lowlife culprits with in 24 hours. Good police work and I am faithful that the Glynn Co. SO will solve this crime also." jmo
:rose:

scubadvr99

09-02-2009, 02:39 AM

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/heinzearrestwarrant90109.pdf

Here is a link to the arrest warrants

samanthajane13

09-02-2009, 01:42 PM

Ga. man arrested after family killed granted bond
By KATE BRUMBACK, Associated Press Writers Kate Brumback, Associated Press Writers – 19 mins ago

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – A Georgia man arrested after he reported finding his family killed in their mobile home has been released on bond and under supervision.

Guy Heinze (hynz) Jr. was granted $20,000 bond Wednesday. It was his first court appearance since he was arrested on charges of drug possession, evidence tampering and lying to police after the killings Saturday that claimed eight lives in this coastal Georgia city.

The judge ordered the 22-year-old Heinze placed under house arrest with an ankle monitor. It was uncertain where Heinze will serve his house arrest since he was living in the mobile home where his relatives were found dead.

Police have released little information on who they think killed the family. They aren't calling Heinze a suspect in the killings but also aren't ruling him out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_re_us/us_mobile_home_slayings

scubadvr99

09-02-2009, 03:55 PM

http://www2.wsav.com/sav/news/local/article/remembering_the_victims_of_glynn_county_mass_murde r/43302/

This is a story that talks about the kids

Jadedblueeyes

09-02-2009, 05:53 PM

From the 911 call, I don't think a shot gun was involved either. If these people were beaten, there had to be more than one perpetrator. jmo.

My thoughts: "I do hope that this case is solved soon also. I think the Heinze fellow that came home and called 911 has been arrested for his own protection. I also think there had to be several perpetrators also. I also wish the LE could release some more info to either ease the minds of the local community or heighten their awareness that there may be some murderers in the area. This does bring back memories of the Alday case and also a case that happened in Jones County, (central Ga, north of Macon) about 12 years ago. Gerry Moss came home from work and found her husband and 11 year old son and 15 year old daughter shot to death in their home. It was determined that robbery was the motive and the Jones County SO canvassed the neighborhood and questioned every vehicle that came and left that neighborhood for at least 8 hours or longer and they had arrested the 2 lowlife culprits with in 24 hours. Good police work and I am faithful that the Glynn Co. SO will solve this crime also." jmo
:rose:

I sure wish I was that convinced that Jr. had nothing to do with this but I get very suspicious, when the only family member that wasn't there, starts giving false statements to the police about his whereabouts.

LE could easily protect him by removing him to an undisclosed location without bringing charges against him.

I don't know if he will make bail but if he does he seems to have been put on very tight restriction and LE is wanting to keep up with his every move, including having an ankle bracelet.

I think that it may have looked like the victims were beaten but from what the media has reported they were shot in the head. It was stated that Michael the DS child was shot so I think the others were too. I am not sure how many perps had to do this. That is hard to ascertain because we don't have knowledge of how it went down. Whomever he or they were could have burst through the door with weapons drawn and the two older adult men may have died first. The perp could have done like Joseph Duncan did in the Greone case and had each one of the victims bind the other one up. The victims may have been compliant hoping they would not be shot and killed.

In so many cases gunfire is never heard. Even Beth Karas has mentioned it through the years and there can be a murder with multiple shots right next door from an adjoining apartment yet no one heard a thing.

The Alday murders happened in Seminole County, county seat, Donalsonville, Georgia. I remember that horrific case like yesterday and the sickening fact that it took 30 years to execute, Carl Issac.:flamemad:

I do believe that this was drug related but I do not believe that it entailed the entire family but maybe just one that brought these raging murderers in that home and killed everyone there so as to leave no witnesses behind that could identify them.

I do think Jr. knows way more than he said when he told the 911 Op he did not know who did this. I think he does know.

imo

SaraSidle

09-02-2009, 06:07 PM

I sure wish I was that convinced that Jr. had nothing to do with this but I get very suspicious, when the only family member that wasn't there, starts giving false statements to the police about his whereabouts.

LE could easily protect him by removing him to an undisclosed location without bringing charges against him.

I don't know if he will make bail but if he does he seems to have been put on very tight restriction and LE is wanting to keep up with his every move, including having an ankle bracelet.

I think that it may have looked like the victims were beaten but from what the media has reported they were shot in the head. It was stated that Michael the DS child was shot so I think the others were too. I am not sure how many perps had to do this. That is hard to ascertain because we don't have knowledge of how it went down. Whomever he or they were could have burst through the door with weapons drawn and the two older adult men may have died first. The perp could have done like Joseph Duncan did in the Greone case and had each one of the victims bind the other one up. The victims may have been compliant hoping they would not be shot and killed.

In so many cases gunfire is never heard. Even Beth Karas has mentioned it through the years and there can be a murder with multiple shots right next door from an adjoining apartment yet no one heard a thing.

The Alday murders happened in Seminole County, county seat, Donalsonville, Georgia. I remember that horrific case like yesterday and the sickening fact that it took 30 years to execute, Carl Issac.:flamemad:

I do believe that this was drug related but I do not believe that it entailed the entire family but maybe just one that brought these raging murderers in that home and killed everyone there so as to leave no witnesses behind that could identify them.

I do think Jr. knows way more than he said when he told the 911 Op he did not know who did this. I think he does know.

imo

It is nice to see you posting again. sara

Jadedblueeyes

09-02-2009, 07:18 PM

It is nice to see you posting again. sara

Thank you, Sara.

Always nice to "see" you here.

imo

samanthajane13

09-03-2009, 01:22 AM

Jaded!!!! :seeya:

Hi-girl!!!

Where ya been hiding yourself???

:biggrin:

Jadedblueeyes

09-03-2009, 08:34 AM

Jaded!!!! :seeya:

Hi-girl!!!

Where ya been hiding yourself???

:biggrin:

Hi there samantha!:seeya:

I have been busy with real life things and haven't had much free time to post.

I sure hope they solve this case soon.

Jadedblueeyes

09-03-2009, 08:35 AM

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/MURDER-090309

Police: Murders Not Gang Related

Glynn County police are ruling out a gang connection in the slaying of eight people Saturday at a mobile home park, as bond was set Wednesday for the frantic caller who reported the chilling crime scene to the 911 Center.

Police Chief Matt Doering said Wednesday that detectives are making progress in the investigation of the murder of eight persons and wounding of a child in a trailer at Lot 147 at New Hope Plantation, in north Glynn County.

Police had not officially said how the eight were killed, though an official close to the investigation told The News they had been shot.

"We're still collecting evidence at the crime scene," Doering said, adding that some of the physical evidence collected has been sent to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation Crime Laboratory in Savannah. "The analysis of evidence is progressing, but there's nothing substantial to report."

Police are continuing to question people, but Doering declined to comment on the specifics of the case.

Doering said that so far the investigation has not led the police to believe that there is any connection between gang activity and Saturday's massacre.

He said police also do not consider the homicides Aug. 21 and Aug. 22 in Glynn County in which two men were gunned down in two separate robbery attempts within a short period of time to have any connection to the killings inside a trailer at New Hope Plantation.

SaraSidle

09-04-2009, 10:26 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/04/georgia.killings/index.html

One2Snoop

09-04-2009, 11:09 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/04/georgia.killings/index.html

Thanks for the update Sara - I believed from day one he was involved. Whether it's indirectly or he actually pulled the trigger and killed all eight, time will tell. It most definitely had something to do with drugs, IMO. Was he high or did he have an incredible debt to pay and couldn't get the money? Could be a combo of both.

SaraSidle

09-04-2009, 11:17 PM

Thanks for the update Sara - I believed from day one he was involved. Whether it's indirectly or he actually pulled the trigger and killed all eight, time will tell. It most definitely had something to do with drugs, IMO. Was he high or did he have an incredible debt to pay and couldn't get the money? Could be a combo of both.

ITA O2S. Drugs are involved. I suspected him from the start too. When i heard he had hidden the gun in the trunk red flags were up big time. sara

scubadvr99

09-04-2009, 11:46 PM

SaraSidle

09-05-2009, 12:03 AM

Jadedblueeyes

09-07-2009, 08:19 PM

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20735567/index.html

I agree guys, I became suspicious with him moving the shotgun. The neighbor talking about the dog tied up at the door also made me believe that it was someone that knew the family.

How does someone do something like this??? It is hard to believe someone would, much less a family member.

I think it was much more than that Scuba.

Why in the world would he lie right off the bat to police about his alibi and whereabouts knowing how serious this case is? It just made no sense from day one.

What family member.... once seeing what had to be the most unimaginable horror of their lives, even has the afterthought to think about a shotgun when bodies littered their entire home from a small child to his own father? If he had not done this there is no way that he would be able to even function with the shock of it all much less think about removing a shot gun to his trunk.

It is so hard for us to comprehend why family members do such things but unfortunately it isn't an uncommon occurrence.

I don't know what his motive could have been. Imo it will be as senseless as all of the brutal murders he committed.

I truly understand his younger brother wants to believe he didn't do this. What family member wouldn't want to hang onto that belief? But I do believe he is going to have to face the brutal facts one day and blame Heinz Jr. for completely taking his entire family away from him.

Everyday we seem to hear of multiple family members losing their lives to a mad man determined to destroy them all. The enemy within.

imo

Jadedblueeyes

09-08-2009, 07:46 PM

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-09-08/story/all_eight_victims_of_brunswick_mobile_home_park_as sault_killed_by_beat

All eight victims of Brunswick mobile home park assault killed by beating
Glynn County police say suspect Guy Heinze Jr. alone killed his father and seven others.

BRUNSWICK — The eight people killed Aug. 29 in a mobile home all died of beating, Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said.

Guy Heinze, 22, the lone suspect and son of one of the victims, acted alone in beating the eight dead and the lone survivor, Byron Jimerson, 3, who remains in critical condition today, Doering said.

Doering declined to divulge what sort of weapon or object was used to administer what is officially known as blunt force trauma or whether it has been recovered.

"Evidence indicates more than one weapon was used to inflict the injuries,'' said Capt. Marissa Tindale, head of detectives for the department.

Both said the home at New Hope Mobile Park remains an active crime scene and that detectives are still working there as they interview potential witnesses and track down tips.

"There's still a lot of work to be done,'' Doering said.

One2Snoop

09-08-2009, 08:54 PM

Wow, he must of been higher than a kite to accomplish this. 8 people by himself? :eek: How is this possible? :confused:

Thanks for the update Jaded.

SaraSidle

09-08-2009, 09:15 PM

Wow, he must of been higher than a kite to accomplish this. 8 people by himself? :eek: How is this possible? :confused:

Thanks for the update Jaded.

ITA crystalmeth or php I am thinking. still hard to conceive. IMO sara

One2Snoop

09-08-2009, 10:31 PM

ITA crystalmeth or php I am thinking. still hard to conceive. IMO sara

I'm still having difficulty believing he killed all 8 people by himself. :eek: Had they all died from massive gunshot wounds I might believe it but they didn't. :confused:

SaraSidle

09-08-2009, 10:44 PM

I'm still having difficulty believing he killed all 8 people by himself. :eek: Had they all died from massive gunshot wounds I might believe it but they didn't. :confused:

Exactly unless he was not alone the other(s) got away. I mean did someone see him come home. that was his story is that he had just got home.
all this for 25,000 dollars........:shrug:

One2Snoop

09-08-2009, 10:59 PM

Exactly unless he was not alone the other(s) got away. I mean did someone see him come home. that was his story is that he had just got home.
all this for 25,000 dollars........:shrug:

I missed that - what's the $25,000 for? :confused: Is this life insurance? Although when I think about it, people have murdered for much, much less.

Wow - still blows me away.

Jadedblueeyes

09-08-2009, 11:21 PM

Wow, he must of been higher than a kite to accomplish this. 8 people by himself? :eek: How is this possible? :confused:

Thanks for the update Jaded.

YW.

Actually and unfortunately it isn't has hard as we may think. I have read of multiple family murders before where the sole murderer methodically went through the home killing one victim after the other until everyone was dead. A lot of the victims if they had been stabbed or bludgeoned to death were still in a sleeping position in the bed when found by LE or found close to their beds.

He knew every inch of that house inside out and where each one was. Imo he took out the three adult men first (his father, Rusty Tolar then West.) The others were really no threat to him even if they had tried to defend themselves.

He certainly was cold and ruthless but he also was very determined. He seems to be a strong sturdy built guy then combine that with the adrenaline rush and any drugs running through his veins he was an exploding time bomb.

imo

Jadedblueeyes

09-08-2009, 11:25 PM

I missed that - what's the $25,000 for? :confused: Is this life insurance? Although when I think about it, people have murdered for much, much less.

Wow - still blows me away.

Heinz Sr. had just won a lawsuit 2 days before he was murdered. It was on appeal but imo Jr. knew when they finally did get around to sending the settlement check his father would not be there to collect any of it.

imo

One2Snoop

09-08-2009, 11:37 PM

Heinz Sr. had just won a lawsuit 2 days before he was murdered. It was on appeal but imo Jr. knew when they finally did get around to sending the settlement check his father would not be there to collect any of it.

imo

Thanks, I missed reading about it.

I still can't wrap my head around someone being able to murder 8 of their family members. OK, I guess that means I'm a normal, feeling human being and he's a monster? :eek: :confused:

After hearing about the money/settlement being in the picture do you think this will be a DP case?

scubadvr99

09-09-2009, 01:49 AM

Thanks for the updates. I thought it would be hard for one person to kill that many too. I read that about the money on the Jacksonville news. I guess the warrants won't be available until next week to read. Maybe they will shed a little more light on everything.

He would def have to be high on something to do something like this IMO too.

SaraSidle

09-09-2009, 03:23 AM

Jadedblueeyes

09-09-2009, 10:41 AM

Thanks, I missed reading about it.

I still can't wrap my head around someone being able to murder 8 of their family members. OK, I guess that means I'm a normal, feeling human being and he's a monster? :eek: :confused:

After hearing about the money/settlement being in the picture do you think this will be a DP case?

I certainly do wholeheartedly believe this will be a death penalty case. Now Georgia takes a long time to execute these creeps just like it took 30 years to execute Carl Issac in the Alday murders. If any case qualifies for the DP then it is this case. The DA only has to satisfy one of the prongs necessary and the heinous nature and mass killings qualifies it. Also if it was done for financial gain, that is another prong and iirc if a bludgeoning weapon was used also enhances it as bludgeoning someone to death is seen as the most brutal method.

I have thought about what his brother has said. Not about that he thinks he is innocent for I can certainly understand any family member desperately wanting to cling to that belief but his mention that JR. may bear some responsibility if he was the one that brought the drugs into the home. I think this brother knows a lot more than what he is saying in the media.

I think Jr. was a user and a seller. It makes me wonder since they were all moving to another place if his dad told him to get out and find his own place to live that they were all sick and tired of the drugs being brought in there by him.

His brother tries to infer this was a drug hit but that just doesn't hold water. First drug dealers don't kill their victims by bludgeoning them to death. Their method of choice is handguns so they can pick the victims off like sitting ducks and be gone in a flash.

The person that did this had to know every inch of this mobile home and where each person was at the particular time it happened. They had to know the habits of the people they killed in order to carry this out. And imo, no one knew it any better than the one who was miraculously left behind unscathed.

JMO though

SaraSidle

09-09-2009, 09:26 PM

I certainly do wholeheartedly believe this will be a death penalty case. Now Georgia takes a long time to execute these creeps just like it took 30 years to execute Carl Issac in the Alday murders. If any case qualifies for the DP then it is this case. The DA only has to satisfy one of the prongs necessary and the heinous nature and mass killings qualifies it. Also if it was done for financial gain, that is another prong and iirc if a bludgeoning weapon was used also enhances it as bludgeoning someone to death is seen as the most brutal method.

I have thought about what his brother has said. Not about that he thinks he is innocent for I can certainly understand any family member desperately wanting to cling to that belief but his mention that JR. may bear some responsibility if he was the one that brought the drugs into the home. I think this brother knows a lot more than what he is saying in the media.

I think Jr. was a user and a seller. It makes me wonder since they were all moving to another place if his dad told him to get out and find his own place to live that they were all sick and tired of the drugs being brought in there by him.

His brother tries to infer this was a drug hit but that just doesn't hold water. First drug dealers don't kill their victims by bludgeoning them to death. Their method of choice is handguns so they can pick the victims off like sitting ducks and be gone in a flash.

The person that did this had to know every inch of this mobile home and where each person was at the particular time it happened. They had to know the habits of the people they killed in order to carry this out. And imo, no one knew it any better than the one who was miraculously left behind unscathed.

JMO though

If he hid the shotgun I wonder if that had been the blunt force weapon.
On NG or JVM tonight LE said they had found 2 pieces of evidence today.
some speculate his clothing with blood on it. hhhmmmm IMO sara