Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[RaVeN71806]

I know this has been posted but I want to make this a topic...there is an Amber Alert for this little girl...



http://www.wesh.com/video/18684243/index.html

[shadydaisy]

Just saw this http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Florida has certainly been in the news recently.

[RaVeN71806]

yes it has...this story has alot gaps in it...and it only has just begun...

[RaVeN71806]

5-Year-Old Vanishes From Bedroom; Father Says She Was 'Stolen'
Detective: 'Whoever Has The Child Is Not Supposed To Have The Child'

POSTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
UPDATED: 5:53 pm EST February 10, 2009
SATSUMA, Fla. -- More than 130 law enforcement personnel from several local and state agencies are searching for a 5-year-old girl who disappeared from her home in Satsuma before dawn Tuesday.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday when her father's girlfriend put her to bed at their home on Green Lane, off Buffalo Bluff Road.

While deputies and state officers from at least five agencies searched the area and the nearby St. Johns River, Haleigh's grieving father told Channel 4 there is no doubt in his mind that she was abducted and he'll do anything to get her back.

Ronald Cummings said Haleigh is afraid of the dark and there's no way she would have gone out in the middle of the night by herself.

"I came home this morning to find that I didn't have a child," Cummings. "Somebody stole my child."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

[RaVeN71806]

Family, Friends Pray As Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues
POSTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
UPDATED: 8:54 am EST February 11, 2009


Haleigh Cummings
VIDEO:
100s Search For Missing Satsuma Girl
UNCUT: Father's Emotional Interview
UNCUT 911 Calls: 5-Year-Old Missing

SATSUMA, Fla. -- After the sun set on Tuesday, the bright lights came on at the Putnam County Command Center near the home where 5-year-old Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was last seen.

Local detectives and even investigators with the FBI remained at the scene and said they would continue to feverishly work the case throughout the night.

According to detectives, when dealing with missing children, the first 24 hours are crucial. At 10 p.m. on Tuesday, investigators said they were very aware that it had been a full day since Haleigh was last seen and they were working hard to make every minute count toward finding the missing girl.

"We feel good about what we're doing, but we feel really desperate that 24 hours have passed now and we don’t have a clue where this child is," said PCSO Major Gary Bowling.

Haleigh was last seen in her Satsuma home on Green Lane with her 2-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend. The girlfriend told police she put the children to bed at 10 p.m. Monday but when she awoke at 3 a.m. to use the bathroom Haleigh was missing and the back door of the home was open.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I assume the mother of these children has been checked out? :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

...Investigators are looking into various angles of the case, including finding out the location of 44 registered sexual offenders who live within a five-mile radius of the Cummings home, Sheriff Jeff Hardy told the Palatka Daily News...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/11/missing.florida.girl/index.html?eref=ib_topstories

[lorettalockhorn]

Sheriff's news conference:

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18691743/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Kidfinders, Josh Duckett to help in search for missing girl

SATSUMA, Fla. - The same group of people who helped in the search for missing toddler Caylee Anthony are now lending a hand to help find 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Joshua Duckett, father of missing toddler Trenton Duckett, has already arrived in Satsuma to help the Cummings family.

A team from Kindfinders Network is also on their way. The team plans to send out mailers to help put Haleigh?s face in the public view. There are already flyers up on houses and cars, giving information about the missing girl...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021109Kidfinders_Josh_Duckett_to_help_in_search_fo r_missing_girl

[lorettalockhorn]

Satsuma has a population of 6,347 + or - according to: http://www.relohomesearch.com/NorthAmericaCity/FL/Satsuma.aspx

44 registered sex offenders within a five mile radius of this child's home seems awfully high. Wonder how many square miles this town covers.

I can't tell from the websites about Haleigh's picture, but the one that her father was holding last night looked like it had been wadded up or something; it was creased. Maybe had never been in a frame to keep it in good shape. :shrug:

[RaVeN71806]

I assume the mother of these children has been checked out? :confused:

as far as I read snoop..she hasn't but I could be wrong on that..the last thing I read was she wasn't even with Haleighs dad she went to stay with her family...

[RaVeN71806]

"Today, Haleigh's grandfather Johnny Sheffield told FOX 35 that he was distraught over the disappearance of his granddaughter. He says he does not know much about Ronald's girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, but thinks she is suspicious."

This part in this article is very interesting...

And here is the part about the gf staying with the her family
Investigators say Croslin is now with her family. They are not calling her a suspect at this time. Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis is also pleading to the public for help. She told FOX 35 that Trenton Duckett's father is assisting in the search, as well as other search teams.


sorry to dissect it..
this is the link to the rest of it..
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

[RaVeN71806]

Satsuma has a population of 6,347 + or - according to: http://www.relohomesearch.com/NorthAmericaCity/FL/Satsuma.aspx

44 registered sex offenders within a five mile radius of this child's home seems awfully high. Wonder how many square miles this town covers.

I can't tell from the websites about Haleigh's picture, but the one that her father was holding last night looked like it had been wadded up or something; it was creased. Maybe had never been in a frame to keep it in good shape. :shrug:

I've never seen that many sex offenders in one area...

[Justice Denied?]

Kidfinders, Josh Duckett to help in search for missing girl

SATSUMA, Fla. - The same group of people who helped in the search for missing toddler Caylee Anthony are now lending a hand to help find 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Joshua Duckett, father of missing toddler Trenton Duckett, has already arrived in Satsuma to help the Cummings family.

A team from Kindfinders Network is also on their way. The team plans to send out mailers to help put Haleigh?s face in the public view. There are already flyers up on houses and cars, giving information about the missing girl...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021109Kidfinders_Josh_Duckett_to_help_in_search_fo r_missing_girl

Thanks to Raven for starting the thread. God Bless Josh Duckett! He has been so faithful to help others in the same position he was (is).

[lorettalockhorn]

Mike Galanos and Jane Velez-Mitchell both gave this case airtime on HLN tonight, and I was glad to hear that the talking heads have issues with what the teen reported, and that it's hard to understand why she waited to call 911, and how the killer could have either taken Haleigh out of the bed where two other people were sleeping OR seized the opportunity to grab Haleigh right when the teen was in the bathroom.

They also reported that the family has not been ruled out even though investigators are treating this as an abduction. (No link yet, but I'll add it later when it's posted.)

[Gatordog]

On NG tonight (2/11) she reports that both the father and girlfriend passed lie detector tests.

Gator

[Gatordog]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18681356/detail.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18691022/detail.html


Gator

[SaraSidle]

I am thinking it was a neighbor or someone known to the family. IMO sara.
what is going on there in your state gator?:shrug:

[Amy]

"Today, Haleigh's grandfather Johnny Sheffield told FOX 35 that he was distraught over the disappearance of his granddaughter. He says he does not know much about Ronald's girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, but thinks she is suspicious."

This part in this article is very interesting...

And here is the part about the gf staying with the her family
Investigators say Croslin is now with her family. They are not calling her a suspect at this time. Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis is also pleading to the public for help. She told FOX 35 that Trenton Duckett's father is assisting in the search, as well as other search teams.


sorry to dissect it..
this is the link to the rest of it..
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

From the article:

According to investigators, Haleigh was last seen on Monday night around 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane. Haleigh, her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m., about the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone.
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That makes 3 versions. First was that the girlfriend had gotten up to go to the bathroom and discovered Haleigh gone. Then, it was that the girlfriend was asleep and when she woke up to go to the bathroom, Haleigh was gone. Now, it's the little girl got up to go to the bathroom about the time her daddy came home, and disappeared.

I can understand people being frantic and upset and the dad misunderstanding what the girlfriend said, but it does seem that the girlfriend's version of what happened should be--the same each time. You'd think that what SHE said, since she was the one present would be taken for fact ---unless she changed what she was saying.

And, didn't hear if NG corrected herself later in the show, but she started out saying "the 17 y/o BABYSITTER." I had read an article, I guess it was a public comment to an article about a 17 y/o cousin, the 2 little kids and the girlfriend, but never read anything about a babysitter @ all, so wonder where she came up with that?

[Amy]

Mike Galanos and Jane Velez-Mitchell both gave this case airtime on HLN tonight, and I was glad to hear that the talking heads have issues with what the teen reported, and that it's hard to understand why she waited to call 911, and how the killer could have either taken Haleigh out of the bed where two other people were sleeping OR seized the opportunity to grab Haleigh right when the teen was in the bathroom.

They also reported that the family has not been ruled out even though investigators are treating this as an abduction. (No link yet, but I'll add it later when it's posted.)

Now, what HAS been consistent in what the dad and the girlfriend have said is that the girlfriend discovered Haleigh missing just as the dad was pulling into the drive. In all the versions:the girlfriend got up to the bathroom and Haleigh was missing when she came back; the girlfriend was asleep and when she woke up, (don't know what woke her) Haleigh was gone. The last one is a little harder to figure---like WHEN did Haleigh get up to go to the bathroom? Did the girlfriend wake up and ask her what she was doing, or see her go to the bathroom? But, however this last one was, again, the girlfriend discovered Haleigh missing about the time the dad came in from work. So, the call to 911 was pretty immediate, in all versions.

[TheSkwerl]

This case really struck me just as the Caylee Anthony case has. God bless Mr. Duckett for lending his help in this, and that he gets smiled on from above for this. I'm VERY suspicious about this 17yr. old girlfriend , I think she harmed that poor child. She better hope that she didn't because if she did, I will personally WALK to Jacksonville and whip her.
I'm also flabbergasted at the amount of registered sex offenders that are located in and near that house. WTH????? Don't people check this stuff out before moving into an area?
I'll say it before and I'll say it again, it is unacceptable and unforgivable to harm a child, no matter what!
Thank you.

[lorettalockhorn]

From the article:

According to investigators, Haleigh was last seen on Monday night around 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane. Haleigh, her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m., about the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone.
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That makes 3 versions. First was that the girlfriend had gotten up to go to the bathroom and discovered Haleigh gone. Then, it was that the girlfriend was asleep and when she woke up to go to the bathroom, Haleigh was gone. Now, it's the little girl got up to go to the bathroom about the time her daddy came home, and disappeared.

I can understand people being frantic and upset and the dad misunderstanding what the girlfriend said, but it does seem that the girlfriend's version of what happened should be--the same each time. You'd think that what SHE said, since she was the one present would be taken for fact ---unless she changed what she was saying.

And, didn't hear if NG corrected herself later in the show, but she started out saying "the 17 y/o BABYSITTER." I had read an article, I guess it was a public comment to an article about a 17 y/o cousin, the 2 little kids and the girlfriend, but never read anything about a babysitter @ all, so wonder where she came up with that?

Whut the fack?!?!?! I hadn't read this new version. I'm pretty sure that is was the sheriff or one of the investigators on JVM tonight, and he acknowledged that the two previous stories don't add up.

(Kinda surprised that Nancy hasn't jumped on the seventeen year old live-in/sleepover girlfriend thing.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Nancy Grace, 2/11/09:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Jane Velez-Mitchell,2/11/09:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ijvm.01.html

[One2Snoop]

I Just Want Her Home
A press conference is held regarding missing Putnam County 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18693025/index.html

[Amy]

Whut the fack?!?!?! I hadn't read this new version. I'm pretty sure that is was the sheriff or one of the investigators on JVM tonight, and he acknowledged that the two previous stories don't add up.

(Kinda surprised that Nancy hasn't jumped on the seventeen year old live-in/sleepover girlfriend thing.)

Nancy called her the 17 y/o BABYSITTER. I'm not sure she has listened to anyone (even the people on that same show) to hear GIRLFRIEND.

[samanthajane13]

Investigators think missing Fla. girl was abducted


SATSUMA, Fla. – Investigators were treating the disappearance of a 5-year-old north Florida girl as an abduction and continued searching for the child Thursday.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said investigators assume Haleigh Cummings was abducted because house-to-house searches of the neighborhood Wednesday found no evidence that she wandered away.

Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings also said he didn't believe she had left their home in the middle of the night.

"I know somebody took her. I know for a fact she didn't wander off — she's afraid of the dark," Cummings told NBC's "Today" on Thursday.

Haleigh was last seen Monday night in her father's mobile home in Satsuma. The rural community along the St. Johns River is about 70 miles north of Orlando.

She was reported missing when her father returned home from work early Tuesday. His girlfriend had woken up and discovered the child was missing.

The girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, told a 911 dispatcher that a back door that was usually locked had been propped open by a brick.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy told NBC's "Today" that searches for Haleigh by air, ground and water would continue Thursday. Investigators also were interviewing the 44 sex offenders living within 5 miles of Ronald Cummings' home.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090212/ap_on_re_us/missing_florida_girl

[wind149]

How can you guys in Fl feel safe with kids?? I hope to God this is not the same outcome as the Jessie Lunsford horror show! But I am betting the farm that whoever took this child was not hoping to get rich on a ransom from this redneck family, I think it is a sex offender that probably scoped out the house like that scumbag Couey did and figured out how to gain access to the trailer, he took Jessie right out her bedroom window on a ladder that is how warped and twisted that POS is, he knew her Daddy left at night to be with his girlfriend and figured out that the grandparents went to bed early and made his move. It might be some POS has done the same thing, figured out the lock was cheesy, grabbed the kid and ran and I hope to God she is still alive but we all know most children that are kidnapped by SO's are usually found dead these scums are selfish, Couey buried Jessie alive because he knew he would go to prison for a long time and I fear whoever has taken this child is a SO. Her Daddy and his woman, yeah all of 17, and Daddy ain't he something? both passed polygraphs so I don't think they are involved at all. I just hope they find her alive and let's all pray for this little angel and her family.:rose::rose::rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Nancy called her the 17 y/o BABYSITTER. I'm not sure she has listened to anyone (even the people on that same show) to hear GIRLFRIEND.

I heard Nancy continue to call her the babysitter, just like I heard her continually refer to the little brother as a four year old. She must not be an auditory learner.

I know that the father and GF have passed lie detector tests, but the storIES don't add up.

[lorettalockhorn]

How can you guys in Fl feel safe with kids?? I hope to God this is not the same outcome as the Jessie Lunsford horror show! But I am betting the farm that whoever took this child was not hoping to get rich on a ransom from this redneck family, I think it is a sex offender that probably scoped out the house like that scumbag Couey did and figured out how to gain access to the trailer, he took Jessie right out her bedroom window on a ladder that is how warped and twisted that POS is, he knew her Daddy left at night to be with his girlfriend and figured out that the grandparents went to bed early and made his move. It might be some POS has done the same thing, figured out the lock was cheesy, grabbed the kid and ran and I hope to God she is still alive but we all know most children that are kidnapped by SO's are usually found dead these scums are selfish, Couey buried Jessie alive because he knew he would go to prison for a long time and I fear whoever has taken this child is a SO. Her Daddy and his woman, yeah all of 17, and Daddy ain't he something? both passed polygraphs so I don't think they are involved at all. I just hope they find her alive and let's all pray for this little angel and her family.:rose::rose::rose:

Doesn't 44 like an inordinate number of offenders in this locationsmall town? I don't think we have that many in our entire county.

[RaVeN71806]

SATSUMA, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) - Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who for several months in 2008 had been engaged in the search for Orlando toddler Caylee Marie Anthony, is now offering a $25,000 reward for the safe return of another missing girl.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

[Lodi]

Doesn't 44 like an inordinate number of offenders in this locationsmall town? I don't think we have that many in our entire county.

Birds of a feather.

[RaVeN71806]

I heard Nancy continue to call her the babysitter, just like I heard her continually refer to the little brother as a four year old. She must not be an auditory learner.

I know that the father and GF have passed lie detector tests, but the storIES don't add up.

I know what you mean loretta these stories don't add up..and were going on three different stories now..I don't know I have a bad feeling about this girlfriend, babysitter or whatever she is...how does a 5yr old little girl just disappear :shrug:...how don't you hear anything...I may be wrong about 17yr old and god forgive me if I'am but right now her storie's aren't flying with me..

[RaVeN71806]

SATSUMA, Fla. - Putnam County Sheriff's Deputies are on day 3 of searching for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. Haleigh was last seen on Monday night at 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane in Satsuma. Investigators said she was sleeping in the same bed as her 3-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin. When Croslin woke up around 3:30 a.m., the same time Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings got home from work, they realized Haleigh was gone and called 911.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021209Day_3_in_search_for_Haleigh

[Lodi]

Is this the father?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930

[lorettalockhorn]

Amber Alert -- Haleigh's Grandparents Speak Out

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Haleigh Cummings mother, her parents and other family members sat outside the subdivision where deputies said the 5-year-old was snatched from her father's home.

They're handing out fliers and asking questions.

They even have questions about the father and his girlfriend's story.

"Yeah I question all of it,” said Haleigh’s maternal grandmother Marie Griffis. “How can someone get up out of bed, go to the bathroom, then come back and find the child missing? Why didn't she see the child missing when she got up?”

The 5-year-old was first reported missing Monday by her father and his girlfriend.

The father told deputies he locked the back door before leaving for work and left Haleigh in bed with his girlfriend.

The girlfriend, who we know only as Misty, told deputies she went to the bathroom for a few minutes, and when she returned, Haleigh was gone.

Cunningham told deputies he routinely did this every night.

"If the back door is dead, bolted you're not just gonna pry it open, you're gonna have to break the door down," said Haleigh’s maternal grandfather Jeff Scheffield.

The grandfather and grandmother said someone inside a mobile home would have heard
someone trying to break in.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there were no signs of forced entry.

Marie Griffis-grandmother
"We don't know what to believe," said Griffis.

There is an ongoing rift between Haleigh’s mother and father, who are legally separated, but not divorced.

Griffis said the girl’s father would often threaten to take away visitation rights from the mother -- a mother who now sits speechless waiting for new information about her daughter's whereabouts.

Investigators : Haleigh Abducted
Putnam County investigators are getting some help with the search of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

About a dozen members of Texas EquuSearch will be helping with the search on horseback on rough terrain. Josh Duckett, the father of missing Lake County toddler Trenton Duckett, is also helping in the search.

For the second night in a row, family and friends held a vigil for Haleigh, who has been missing since Monday night. Investigators still don't know if she was abducted or wandered away from her Satsuma home, which is about 70 miles north of Orlando.

Deputies said there were no signs of forced entry, but a back door was open.

At an 11 a.m. press conference Thursday, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said investigators have covered a 5 mile area by helicopter and on the ground for Haleigh. A dive team also searched the St. Johns River near the girl’s home. Hardy said he’s not certain Haleigh is still in the area.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement and FBI are working with Putnam County investigators to locate the 44 known sex offenders living in the area.

Haleigh's father said his daughter was missing when he returned from work around 3 a.m. Tuesday. Ronald Cummings, who has legal custody of Haleigh, said his girlfriend was awake and frantic after she realized Haleigh was missing from her bed.

"I just got home from work and my 5-year-old daughter is gone," Cummings told a dispatcher on a 911 call. "If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing them. I don't care if I spend the rest of my life in prison."

Hardy said Cummings’ girlfriend was interviewed and given a polygraph. However, he did not disclose what was revealed.

Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, admits the girl has wandered off before and was found in a canal.

"It wasn’t like she wandered out. I mean, we were getting ready to leave. I told her father to get her and put her in the car. I had already put Junior, the baby, in the car. I went back in to get the bags and the baby's stuff. I come out, Haleigh was not in the car, and I ran straight down to the canal, and that's where she was," Sheffield said.

Authorities said until they have other evidence, they are treating this as an abduction case.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is offering a reward of $25,000 for the safe return of Haleigh by midnight Saturday.

If you have seen Haleigh Cummings, call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0808 or 911.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/12/amber_alert__search_for_haleigh_continues.html

[RaVeN71806]

I'm sorry but I can't believe that a 5yr old little girl whos afraid of the dark is gonna just wander out the back door at that time of the night...theres something about this girlfriend....

[RaVeN71806]

SATSUMA – The 17-year-old girlfriend of a Putnam County man whose 5-year-old daughter has been the focus on an intense three-day search has taken lie-detector tests and passed as far as she and her boyfriend know.

“I took two of them,” Misty Croslin said this morning down the street from where Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings vanished late Monday or early Tuesday. Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, 25, said he also was tested and believes both he and his girlfriend passed.

“We have all offered to take lie detectors,” Cummings said of his family, who is staying nights mostly huddled beneath a canopy near the Green Lane mobile home that is still roped off by investigators. He said he is willing to do what is needed.

“If you need to draw blood, draw blood,” he said.

His girlfriend also has been under a lot of scrutiny for being the last one to see her.

"I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it," Croslin said.

Croslin said she had little to tell investigators about what happened Monday night. Because Tuesday was a school day, she put the kindergartner to bed about 8:15 p.m. About two hours later Croslin said she went to sleep with Cummings' son, 3-year-old Ronald Jr., in the same room.

Croslin said she did not hear anything or notice anything amiss until she got up around 3 a.m.

“When I went to sleep she was there,” she said. “When I woke up she was gone.”

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-12/story/girlfriend_explains_more_of_what_she_knows_about_m issing_haleigh

ok now shes saying that haleigh was gone when she woke up to go to the bathroom....WTH????

[lorettalockhorn]

Croslin said she had little to tell investigators about what happened Monday night.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-12/story/girlfriend_explains_more_of_what_she_knows_about_m issing_haleigh

ok now shes saying that haleigh was gone when she woke up to go to the bathroom....WTH????

hmmm Not much to say except those three versions of what happened.

And just how long has she been this guy's (who is an adult and eight years older) girlfriend? Where are her parents? If she's not mature enough to babysit for the child, she is certainly not old enough to be her "mother". Is she deaf as well as having a weak bladder? She didn't hear someone wrenching open the door? Or was it ever locked?

Why would LE need to draw blood from the father or anyone? Has DNA been found somewhere?

[Amy]

I heard Nancy continue to call her the babysitter, just like I heard her continually refer to the little brother as a four year old. She must not be an auditory learner.

I know that the father and GF have passed lie detector tests, but the storIES don't add up.

Haven't read thru the whole thread, but the last I did read, the sheriff didn't confirm anyone had passed polys, in fact, am not sure he even confirmed who had taken them.

Nancy does have a bit of trouble with being corrected, not that many make a point of saying, "Hey, Nancy, you got that wrong" @ least not on camera. But when absolutely everyone else says the correct thing, as in this --girlfriend, she seems to steamroll right on, ignoring it. In some cases, she continues w/the wrong info for DAYS, never really makes the correction, it's just that that info eventually becomes old news and isn't brought up again.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haven't read thru the whole thread, but the last I did read, the sheriff didn't confirm anyone had passed polys, in fact, am not sure he even confirmed who had taken them.

Nancy does have a bit of trouble with being corrected, not that many make a point of saying, "Hey, Nancy, you got that wrong" @ least not on camera. But when absolutely everyone else says the correct thing, as in this --girlfriend, she seems to steamroll right on, ignoring it. In some cases, she continues w/the wrong info for DAYS, never really makes the correction, it's just that that info eventually becomes old news and isn't brought up again.

It was (mis)reported last night that both the father and the GF had passed the polygraphs. Today's report was that the results weren't revealed.

Steamroll. Perfect description!

[Amy]

hmmm Not much to say except those three versions of what happened.

And just how long has she been this guy's (who is an adult and eight years older) girlfriend? Where are her parents? If she's not mature enough to babysit for the child, she is certainly not old enough to be her "mother". Is she deaf as well as having a weak bladder? She didn't hear someone wrenching open the door? Or was it ever locked?

Why would LE need to draw blood from the father or anyone? Has DNA been found somewhere?

According to Haleigh's mom, the dad has been dating Misti for 4 to 6 months. Not long @ all. I don't know how long she has LIVED there, but obviously not more than 6 months @ the most. I would venture to say she hasn't been living there long enough to develop a sense of kids waking up or moving about. And, from my experience w/teenagers, they can be pretty darn heavy sleepers, they don't wake up for nothing!!! Especially depending on what you might have had to eat, drink, smoke or inhale prior to going to sleep.

There is no sign of forced entry, according to the Sheriff. And, dad says he locked the door. If he did, someone other than a 5 y/o little girl opened it. No way can a little kid wake up out of a sleep and quietly open a lock she probably couldn't even reach. Probably not plausible even if she was sleep walker. She would have had to have made noise dragging a chair or something--and unless she watched Dad very carefully as he locked the door, she probably wouldn't even have a CLUE how to unlock it!!! And what little 5 y/o, regardless of how smart she is, is going to think of putting a brick to prop the door open? Just waking out of a sleep. A little kid who wakes up and decides to try to go outside for whatever reason--if she encounters an obstacle, she is probably going to whimper and cry, try to leave thru another door. IMO.

So, it seems that either dad didn't lock the door as he says, or someone other than the 2 and 5 y/o unlocked it after he left for work. Hmmmm.....

[Amy]

I guess, on the DNA, if a body is found and isn't easily recognized, the parents' DNA would already be available for comparison? And, if there is evidence of sexual assault, his DNA would already be there to rule him out on that, too. Otherwise, I can't figure out why he's already talking DNA, except maybe he watches some of the forensic shows the rest of us do, and knows it will come up sooner or later.

[lorettalockhorn]

According to Haleigh's mom, the dad has been dating Misti for 4 to 6 months. Not long @ all. I don't know how long she has LIVED there, but obviously not more than 6 months @ the most. I would venture to say she hasn't been living there long enough to develop a sense of kids waking up or moving about. And, from my experience w/teenagers, they can be pretty darn heavy sleepers, they don't wake up for nothing!!! Especially depending on what you might have had to eat, drink, smoke or inhale prior to going to sleep.

There is no sign of forced entry, according to the Sheriff. And, dad says he locked the door. If he did, someone other than a 5 y/o little girl opened it. No way can a little kid wake up out of a sleep and quietly open a lock she probably couldn't even reach. Probably not plausible even if she was sleep walker. She would have had to have made noise dragging a chair or something--and unless she watched Dad very carefully as he locked the door, she probably wouldn't even have a CLUE how to unlock it!!! And what little 5 y/o, regardless of how smart she is, is going to think of putting a brick to prop the door open? Just waking out of a sleep. A little kid who wakes up and decides to try to go outside for whatever reason--if she encounters an obstacle, she is probably going to whimper and cry, try to leave thru another door. IMO.

So, it seems that either dad didn't lock the door as he says, or someone other than the 2 and 5 y/o unlocked it after he left for work. Hmmmm.....

Speaking of the brick, Cummings called it a cinderblock (but he doesn't know where it came from; what? the abductor brought it with him?). Haleigh is reported as weighing 39 pounds. I don't think she could budge a cinderblock.

I hate to bag on crime victims, but there seems to be negligence here; either in leaving the children with someone woefully irresponsible, or not providing a secure residence for the children.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess, on the DNA, if a body is found and isn't easily recognized, the parents' DNA would already be available for comparison? And, if there is evidence of sexual assault, his DNA would already be there to rule him out on that, too. Otherwise, I can't figure out why he's already talking DNA, except maybe he watches some of the forensic shows the rest of us do, and knows it will come up sooner or later.

Mike Brooks just reiterated on Prime News that the bloodhounds hit on Haleigh's scent, but I think they stopped at the river.

It's possible that whoever was doing the polygraph (or whoever explained the ruling out process) explained to Mr. Cummings about blood and DNA tests. I just thought his remark about giving a blood sample sounded oddly premature with no blood having been found.

That, and I smell a rat where this child's disappearance is concerned.

[RaVeN71806]

I honestly don't understand this case at all....we have three different stories here...and I don't believe any of them...I feel the same way as you do Loretta I don't want to attack the crime victim's either but its just a very weird situation..I really hope Haleigh is found and is alright but my hope is running out..:(

[RaVeN71806]

Brad Conway, George and Cindy Anthony's attorney, has confirmed that George Anthony is in Satsuma, offering support to Haleigh's family.

"He went up there because his family went through the exact same thing they're going through now," Conway said. "George has gone up to lend help and support and sympathy to the family and do whatever they need while the search goes on."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-021209,0,5779988.story

my heart goes out to george for doing this..

[lorettalockhorn]

Jane Velez-Mitchell is covering the story tonight and according to the Jacksonville reporter, the girlfriend's story has mutated again; she has now said that Haleigh was in her own bed, and that the kitchen light was on. Reportedly items of evidence have been taken from the home. Last night on NG, Mr. Cummings said that he didn't know anything about cinderblocks on the property, but apparently there is a pile of them about fifty feet from the house. The reporter says that it's very heavily wooded behind the house, but not sure if the pile of blocks is actually in the woods.

On camera, the girlfriend said that she loved that little girl like she was her own.

[SaraSidle]

Jane Velez-Mitchell is covering the story tonight and according to the Jacksonville reporter, the girlfriend's story has mutated again; she has now said that Haleigh was in her own bed, and that the kitchen light was on. Reportedly items of evidence have been taken from the home. Last night on NG, Mr. Cummings said that he didn't know anything about cinderblocks on the property, but apparently there is a pile of them about fifty feet from the house. The reporter says that it's very heavily wooded behind the house, but not sure if the pile of blocks is actually in the woods.

On camera, the girlfriend said that she loved that little girl like she was her own.

I am starting to have a bad feeling in my gut about all the different stories being told. It also is way too close to the Jessica Lund story for me. IMO sara

[old_soul]

Misty is saying she never made it to the bathroom...the kitchen light was on, and the back door was open, propped by the cinderblock.

She's just a kid herself, this girl. To watch her, you almost know she's just scared and obviously (not smart enough) to have time to do something with Haleigh, while still having the 4 year old with her.

A lesson to learn from Polly, Jessica Lunsford and the Smart case......if there's a will there's a way. Who could EVER have believed someone would climb a ladder......or steal a kid from a sleepover or their own room? Geez.......We can no longer say Never. :(

In the initial statement that Raven posted (start of this thread) on the 10th says she put her to bed around 8:00. No mention at that time of all being in the same bed..........

This doesn't 'feel' like our Caylee case, does it? Feels more like Jessica and Couhey.

Prayers for little Haleigh...bring her home soon. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty is saying she never made it to the bathroom...the kitchen light was on, and the back door was open, propped by the cinderblock.

She's just a kid herself, this girl. To watch her, you almost know she's just scared and obviously (not smart enough) to have time to do something with Haleigh, while still having the 4 year old with her.

A lesson to learn from Polly, Jessica Lunsford and the Smart case......if there's a will there's a way. Who could EVER have believed someone would climb a ladder......or steal a kid from a sleepover or their own room? Geez.......We can no longer say Never. :(

In the initial statement that Raven posted (start of this thread) on the 10th says she put her to bed around 8:00. No mention at that time of all being in the same bed..........

This doesn't 'feel' like our Caylee case, does it? Feels more like Jessica and Couhey.

Prayers for little Haleigh...bring her home soon. :rose:

LE that spoke to JVM tonight and Mark Lunsford are being more than gracious about Mistie's inconsistencies and the fact that she waited to call 911.

[deacon]

I am starting to have a bad feeling in my gut about all the different stories being told. It also is way too close to the Jessica Lund story for me. IMO sara

Jessica Lundsford? Yep, and people jumped on everybody from the father to the grandparents, I think it was, on that one. And all the time, at least for a short while, she was not far away. Just accross the road if I remember correctly.

This is sad and I don't have a good feeling about this just like Jessica.:rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Reporter says that the 44 sex offenders have been checked out and cadaver dogs will search tomorrow. I think it was on JVM that we learned that the bio Mom didn't take a polygraph. Don't know if she refused, or was never asked to take one.

[beachbum]

They are talking about the door being propped open at the home -----well I know from my own experience--our cars were robbed right in our own carport ......they opened the doors and did not close them back after taking what they wanted----the reason they do not close them back----cause you can hear car doors shut. (they can easily be opened but not shut) I am assuming the reason if she was abducted out of the house...the reason the perpretator could have propped it open for quick get away and to keep anyone from hearing it shut.

Well the actual mother just stated on NG that the little girl missed alot of school and if she missed much more the dad was going to jail. Hmmmmmm
something not right there. :shrug: The girlfriend is very young---how old is the dad??? Anyone know?

[lorettalockhorn]

They are talking about the door being propped open at the home -----well I know from my own experience--our cars were robbed right in our own carport ......they opened the doors and did not close them back after taking what they wanted----the reason they do not close them back----cause you can hear car doors shut. (they can easily be opened but not shut) I am assuming the reason if she was abducted out of the house...the reason the perpretator could have propped it open for quick get away and to keep anyone for hearing it shut.

Well the actual mother just stated that the little girl missed alot of school and if she missed much more the dad was going to jail. Hmmmmmm
something not right there. :shrug:

I just saw part of the text of the 911 call where Mr. Cummings is cussing like a fishwife and saying he's got better things to do than talk to some MFer who isn't coming. (Did her think the operator was supposed to come?) He's not just hysterical, he's got a nasty temper.

Also, the GF tells the operator that Haleigh is wearing PJs, but reportedly she was wearing panties and a tee shirt.

bb, I get what you're saying, but if I was a baby snatcher, there is no way that I would lug a cinderblock from the pile in the back yard to prop open the door, I'd use a matchbook or bandana or pencil or something.

This mother doesn't seem like she's willing to answer NG's questions about why Haleigh was missing school.

[beachbum]

I just saw part of the text of the 911 call where Mr. Cummings is cussing like a fishwife and saying he's got better things to do than talk to some MFer who isn't coming. (Did her think the operator was supposed to come?) He's not just hysterical, he's got a nasty temper.

Also, the GF tells the operator that Haleigh is wearing PJs, but reportedly she was wearing panties and a tee shirt.

bb, I get what you're saying, but if I was a baby snatcher, there is no way that I would lug a cinderblock from the pile in the back yard to prop open the door, I'd use a matchbook or bandana or pencil or something.


Seems to be a pretty rough bunch. Lots of foul language to have so many tots around.

PS Girlfriend not looking at the people when she talks.....sometimes a sign...not telling the truth. JMO Heard this from Susan Smith
---she often didnt look at the people or detectives when she told her story about what happened to her boys.

[lorettalockhorn]

Seems to be a pretty rough bunch. Lots of foul language to have so many tots around.

Yes'm and who's buying ciggies for the girlfriend? Doncha have to be eighteen? Hope she doesn't smoke around the kids.

[deacon]

I just saw part of the text of the 911 call where Mr. Cummings is cussing like a fishwife and saying he's got better things to do than talk to some MFer who isn't coming. (Did her think the operator was supposed to come?) He's not just hysterical, he's got a nasty temper.

Also, the GF tells the operator that Haleigh is wearing PJs, but reportedly she was wearing panties and a tee shirt.

bb, I get what you're saying, but if I was a baby snatcher, there is no way that I would lug a cinderblock from the pile in the back yard to prop open the door, I'd use a matchbook or bandana or pencil or something.


Well, in that situation everyone reacts differently. I am sitting listening to the phone call and he is upset because of some of the questions the operator is asking. Yes, he could have used some better language and should not have gotten angry at the operator but he is desperate to find his little girl.

Oh, listening tonight to her birth mother, she wasn't suppose to have been at his home that long.

Also, those people are completely forgetting that another little girl was taken from a home in Florida and killed by someone outside of the home and no one heard. Nancy is on the haterade tonight and needs to step back and think. This has happened before. It has also happened to an adult that was snatched out of a house full of friends who were asleep and no one heard.

I just hope they find this little girl and she is alright.

[old_soul]

God forgive me.

The mother is a derelict. She is claiming she got shamboozled out of custody. The she says she knows the girl missed lots of days of school when with the dad. Nancy asks why>>>>She doesn't know why she missed school. NG>>>>was she sick? I don't know. There is no love lost between the mom and dad.

She doesn't call this little sweetie to talk to her? Doesn't know when she's sick, what she does, who she's with?

The girlfriend is also a derelict. The only thing I can say is that she seems honestly distraught on the 911 call and whatever sound bites I heard. She is not very bright though.

The back screen door has a plastic lock, cheaply made if you have ever seen one of these trailers. Now there are conflicting reports about entry marks on/ or not on the door itself...

That cinderblock is very suspicious. An intruder would want to get out quick and quietly..............a cinderblock would help with that if his hands were full..

[lorettalockhorn]

Seems to be a pretty rough bunch. Lots of foul language to have so many tots around.

PS Girlfriend not looking at the people when she talks.....sometimes a sign...not telling the truth. JMO Heard this from Susan Smith
---she often didnt look at the people or detectives when she told her story about what happened to her boys.

Bio Mom did the same thing when NG asked her why Haleigh was missing school. Who doesn't know whether her child has been sick?

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, in that situation everyone reacts differently. I am sitting listening to the phone call and he is upset because of some of the questions the operator is asking. Yes, he could have used some better language and should not have gotten angry at the operator but he is desperate to find his little girl.

Oh, listening tonight to her birth mother, she wasn't suppose to have been at his home that long.

Also, those people are completely forgetting that another little girl was taken from a home in Florida and killed by someone outside of the home and no one heard. Nancy is on the haterade tonight and needs to step back and think. This has happened before. It has also happened to an adult that was snatched out of a house full of friends who were asleep and no one heard.

I just hope they find this little girl and she is alright.

Sorry Deacon, I'm on the Haterade too. Maybe when we get more information about whatever miscommunications there are, I'll be able to back off Mistie. But I'll still be disgusted by Mr. Cummings' relationship with a teenager who seems an inappropriate caretaker for his daughter.

[deacon]

God forgive me.

The mother is a derlict. She is claiming she got shamboozled out of custody. The she says she knows the girl missed lots of days of school when with the dad. Nancy asks why>>>>She doesn't know why she missed school. NG>>>>was she sick? I don't know. There is no love lost between the mom and dad.

She doesn't call this little sweetie to talk to her? Doesn't know when she's sick, what she does, who she's with?

The girlfriend is also a derelict. The only thing I can say is that she seems honestly distraught on the 911 call and whatever sound bites I heard. She is not very bright though.

The back screen door has a plastic lock, cheaply made if you have ever seen one of these trailers. Now there are conflicting reports about entry marks on/ or not on the door itself...

That cinderblock is very suspicious. An intruder would want to get out quick and quietly..............a cinderblock would help with that if his hands were full..

Does Florida require school attendance at 5 years old? SC does, I just don't know about Florida.

I don't exactly see any "rocket scientists" in this group myself.:D

[lorettalockhorn]

Does Florida require school attendance at 5 years old? SC does, I just don't know about Florida.

I don't exactly see any "rocket scientists" in this group myself.:D

Arkansas does too, but found this (Haleigh has been referred to as a kindergartner):

21. Is kindergarten attendance required for a child that turns five before September 1?
No. A parent that chooses not to enroll their child in kindergarten is not in violation of compulsory school attendance laws. However, Florida law, [Section 1003.21 (1)(a), Florida Statutes], specifies that all children who have attained the age of six years or who will have attained the age of 6 years by February 1 of any school year are required to attend school regularly during the entire school term. If a child enters public school at age 6 without evidence of kindergarten completion of an official transcript, then they will be placed in the first program of study, and that is kindergarten. The child will progress according to the district's student progression plan.

http://www.fldoe.org/faq/default.asp?Dept=107&ID=521

[beachbum]

Bio Mom did the same thing when NG asked her why Haleigh was missing school. Who doesn't know whether her child has been sick?


Sounds like no communication of any kind. What mother doesnt go back and get her kids when visitation is over. I would say not a very concerned one. Why does she not know why the little girl hasnt been to school? I would say more than likely lack of responsiblity from both sides. Mom didnt care she came back home...at least enough to go get her. They obviously dont care to see she got to school. Detectives need to get in touch with her school for teacher observations. Teachers know alot about children. They are trained to observe signs of abused kids not to say that she was but they will have a good idea what alot of the excuses are for her not coming to school. jmo

[deacon]

Arkansas does too, but found this (Haleigh has been referred to as a kindergartner):

21. Is kindergarten attendance required for a child that turns five before September 1?
No. A parent that chooses not to enroll their child in kindergarten is not in violation of compulsory school attendance laws. However, Florida law, [Section 1003.21 (1)(a), Florida Statutes], specifies that all children who have attained the age of six years or who will have attained the age of 6 years by February 1 of any school year are required to attend school regularly during the entire school term. If a child enters public school at age 6 without evidence of kindergarten completion of an official transcript, then they will be placed in the first program of study, and that is kindergarten. The child will progress according to the district's student progression plan.

http://www.fldoe.org/faq/default.asp?Dept=107&ID=521

She would be in kindergarten here too but it is manditory here. Like they will put take you to court if they are not there.

[deacon]

Sounds like no communication of any kind. What mother doesnt go back and get her kids when visitation is over. I would say not a very concerned one. Why does she not know why the little girl hasnt been to school? I would say more than likely lack of responsiblity from both sides. Mom didnt care she came back home...at least enough to go get her. They obviously dont care to see she got to school. Detectives need to get in touch with her school for teacher observations. Teachers know alot about children. They are trained to observe signs of abused kids not to say that she was but they will have a good idea what alot of the excuses are for her not coming to school. jmo

I guess, to some who call themselves parents, the children are an incovience so they just ignore them. So, I really couldn't answer that one. If we as a group could, we would all be rich.

[old_soul]

Arkansas does too, but found this (Haleigh has been referred to as a kindergartner):

21. Is kindergarten attendance required for a child that turns five before September 1?
No. A parent that chooses not to enroll their child in kindergarten is not in violation of compulsory school attendance laws. However, Florida law, [Section 1003.21 (1)(a), Florida Statutes], specifies that all children who have attained the age of six years or who will have attained the age of 6 years by February 1 of any school year are required to attend school regularly during the entire school term. If a child enters public school at age 6 without evidence of kindergarten completion of an official transcript, then they will be placed in the first program of study, and that is kindergarten. The child will progress according to the district's student progression plan.

http://www.fldoe.org/faq/default.asp?Dept=107&ID=521

So Loretta, are we thinking bio mom is fullof chit for making that statement? (he was facing jail etc) She has been making these snide remarks throughout NG grilling her, but can't answer chit about her baby. A real loving mom, huh?
As you can tell, that part is really bothering me.

That SOB was watching Jessica, someone seems to have been watching Haleigh. When you know she's left by herself a lot instead of being watched........maybe someone who lives close by and has been in the home?

Oh, another thing...how can the mother say HE told her there was a dead bolt (ha) on the back door. Did the dad tell anyone/LE that? I highly doubt there was one on the fricken door, considering they lived like........never mind.

[Justice Denied?]

Mike Brooks just reiterated on Prime News that the bloodhounds hit on Haleigh's scent, but I think they stopped at the river.

It's possible that whoever was doing the polygraph (or whoever explained the ruling out process) explained to Mr. Cummings about blood and DNA tests. I just thought his remark about giving a blood sample sounded oddly premature with no blood having been found.

That, and I smell a rat where this child's disappearance is concerned.

I did not take the comment about the blood that way at all. Cummings said he would do anything to help find his daughter including give blood. I think he meant it like he would give all he had.

i agree something is not adding up. This girlfriend is hinky. She has taken two lie detector tests and wasn't told whether she passed or not but thinks she did.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh's DOB is 8/17/03, so she reached age five before the 9/1 kindergarten entrance date, but attendance is categorized as "permissive" (although the child runs the risk of being remediated at age six).

Chart about 1/2 down:

http://www.ecs.org/clearinghouse/58/27/5827.htm

You wonder why if Mr. Cummings told Mrs. Sheffield that he was about to go to jail, she didn't ask what the problem was. Especially if there was frequent illness.

[Justice Denied?]

Reporter says that the 44 sex offenders have been checked out and cadaver dogs will search tomorrow. I think it was on JVM that we learned that the bio Mom didn't take a polygraph. Don't know if she refused, or was never asked to take one.

If she was home at the time and that can be verified, LE may not feel it is necessary. I don't believe she would be at the location and so upset if she was involved.

[lorettalockhorn]

I did not take the comment about the blood that way at all. Cummings said he would do anything to help find his daughter including give blood. I think he meant it like he would give all he had.

i agree something is not adding up. This girlfriend is hinky. She has taken two lie detector tests and wasn't told whether she passed or not but thinks she did.

I guess I found it odd because they didn't actually take his blood. But so far there seems to be no dearth of excited utterances.

So does anyone wonder if it's possible that Mistie had a friend over while Mr. Cummings was at work and something happened to Haleigh? What of her statement that she loved her?

[lighthousedazy]

Seems to be a pretty rough bunch. Lots of foul language to have so many tots around.

PS Girlfriend not looking at the people when she talks.....sometimes a sign...not telling the truth. JMO Heard this from Susan Smith
---she often didnt look at the people or detectives when she told her story about what happened to her boys.On NG tonight I noticed she had her eyes closed the whole time she was answering one question. I can't remember the ? though. :o

[lorettalockhorn]

If she was home at the time and that can be verified, LE may not feel it is necessary. I don't believe she would be at the location and so upset if she was involved.

Yes, that's why I noted that she may have not been asked, and may not have refused.

[Justice Denied?]

They are talking about the door being propped open at the home -----well I know from my own experience--our cars were robbed right in our own carport ......they opened the doors and did not close them back after taking what they wanted----the reason they do not close them back----cause you can hear car doors shut. (they can easily be opened but not shut) I am assuming the reason if she was abducted out of the house...the reason the perpretator could have propped it open for quick get away and to keep anyone from hearing it shut.

Well the actual mother just stated on NG that the little girl missed alot of school and if she missed much more the dad was going to jail. Hmmmmmm
something not right there. :shrug: The girlfriend is very young---how old is the dad??? Anyone know?

You have to assume that the perp would have his arms full coming out the door, so proping it may be a smart move.

Cummings is 25, 8 years older than the girlfriend.

[lorettalockhorn]

So Loretta, are we thinking bio mom is fullof chit for making that statement? (he was facing jail etc) She has been making these snide remarks throughout NG grilling her, but can't answer chit about her baby. A real loving mom, huh?
As you can tell, that part is really bothering me.

That SOB was watching Jessica, someone seems to have been watching Haleigh. When you know she's left by herself a lot instead of being watched........maybe someone who lives close by and has been in the home?

Oh, another thing...how can the mother say HE told her there was a dead bolt (ha) on the back door. Did the dad tell anyone/LE that? I highly doubt there was one on the fricken door, considering they lived like........never mind.

Not sure if LE has confirmed the deadbolt, but the reporter on NG said LE says there are no signs of forced entry. You would have to tear up the door frame to get through a deadbolt.

[lighthousedazy]

Does Florida require school attendance at 5 years old? SC does, I just don't know about Florida.

I don't exactly see any "rocket scientists" in this group myself.:DI don't know if kindergarten is required in all states now. I know it is in GA usually around age 5. Pre K for age 4 but that is first come first served for so many slots. jmo

Regarding the folks, I grew up in the GA backwoods, and there all kinds of people out there. It is sad when so many teens quit school and have babies and don't get their education. I do hope this beautiful little girl is found and is ok. :rose:

[Justice Denied?]

Bio Mom did the same thing when NG asked her why Haleigh was missing school. Who doesn't know whether her child has been sick?

Isn't missing school a lot one of the symptoms of child abuse? Sems like I read that somewhere.

[deacon]

Not sure if LE has confirmed the deadbolt, but the reporter on NG said LE says there are no signs of forced entry. You would have to tear up the door frame to get through a deadbolt.

Mobile home doors are not that hard to get into. The deadbolt would make it harder but not impossible. Who said the possible person came in through the door? Could have been a window. If the deadbolt was not engaged, simple to get in the door and not leave marks. I once lived in one, locked my keys in the house. Took about five minutes. That is one of the reasons I don't like mobile homes. Way too easy to break into.

[lorettalockhorn]

Isn't missing school a lot one of the symptoms of child abuse? Sems like I read that somewhere.

It can certainly be a flag, particularly if there are noticeable signs such as bruising, that need to be hidden from mandated reporters.

[deacon]

Isn't missing school a lot one of the symptoms of child abuse? Sems like I read that somewhere.

Can be. Most of the time it is the sign of neglect. From the statute, I really don't know if she was enrolled though. If it isn't required, I would doubt it. IMOO

[lighthousedazy]

I guess I found it odd because they didn't actually take his blood. But so far there seems to be no dearth of excited utterances.

So does anyone wonder if it's possible that Mistie had a friend over while Mr. Cummings was at work and something happened to Haleigh? What of her statement that she loved her?It could be possible. I also noticed when she was talking she feigned crying and I could see no tears on her face. But I don't think she did anything to the child. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

Mobile home doors are not that hard to get into. The deadbolt would make it harder but not impossible. Who said the possible person came in through the door? Could have been a window. If the deadbolt was not engaged, simple to get in the door and not leave marks. I once lived in one, locked my keys in the house. Took about five minutes. That is one of the reasons I don't like mobile homes. Way too easy to break into.

Mobile homes are death traps here in Tornado Alley! I wondered about the front door; what kind of lock does it have. The perp could have come in one door and out the other. I think the point about the forced entry was due to the fact that Mistie didn't hear anything and you would expect her to have better hearing perhaps than the sleeping Lunsford grandparents (for example). I find it strange that a seventeen year old is up to tinkle after being asleep only five hours. I'm 55 and can sleep through the night. (Do your Kegels people!)

[beachbum]

Isn't missing school a lot one of the symptoms of child abuse? Sems like I read that somewhere.


The detectives need to contact the school for some information...I would be interested to know what they have to say.

[Justice Denied?]

I don't know if kindergarten is required in all states now. I know it is in GA usually around age 5. Pre K for age 4 but that is first come first served for so many slots. jmo

Regarding the folks, I grew up in the GA backwoods, and there all kinds of people out there. It is sad when so many teens quit school and have babies and don't get their education. I do hope this beautiful little girl is found and is ok. :rose:

These people are obviously ignorant, low IQ, uneducated and lacking in social graces. But that doesn't mean they harmed Haleigh. In view of Jessica, I'll reserve my judgment.

I typed the words "this child" and had to go back and change it to her name because it reminded me too much of the A's.

[lorettalockhorn]

Can be. Most of the time it is the sign of neglect. From the statute, I really don't know if she was enrolled though. If it isn't required, I would doubt it. IMOO

Nancy specifically asked about her school attendance on Monday, and the reporter said that we only know about Haleigh's schedule from Mistie on Monday night/Tuesday morning. It's going to look mighty hinky if she's not enrolled in kindergarten after her mother's statement. :eek:

[beachbum]

It could be possible. I also noticed when she was talking she feigned crying and I could see no tears on her face. But I don't think she did anything to the child. jmo

Another Susan Smith thing.....she always faked crying....

[deacon]

Mobile homes are death traps here in Tornado Alley! I wondered about the front door; what kind of lock does it have. The perp could have come in one door and out the other. I think the point about the forced entry was due to the fact that Mistie didn't hear anything and you would expect her to have better hearing perhaps than the sleeping Lunsford grandparents (for example). I find it strange that a seventeen year old is up to tinkle after being asleep only five hours. I'm 55 and can sleep through the night. (Do your Kegels people!)

I think the forced entry was probably checked at the door. That is why I think it may have been a window. Now that I am out of one I can say this, the windows can be opened with a very little sound and you can not tell they were opened. No, I am not a burglar. I just had to get in where my keys were. I did it more than once when I would work in the yard.

[deacon]

Nancy specifically asked about her school attendance on Monday, and the reporter said that we only know about Haleigh's schedule from Mistie on Monday night/Tuesday morning. It's going to look mighty hinky if she's not enrolled in kindergarten after her mother's statement. :eek:

hinky is right. A lot of this case is looking hinky. Of course, so have a lot of others.

[mu8shark]

This case really struck me just as the Caylee Anthony case has. God bless Mr. Duckett for lending his help in this, and that he gets smiled on from above for this. I'm VERY suspicious about this 17yr. old girlfriend , I think she harmed that poor child. She better hope that she didn't because if she did, I will personally WALK to Jacksonville and whip her.
I'm also flabbergasted at the amount of registered sex offenders that are located in and near that house. WTH????? Don't people check this stuff out before moving into an area?
I'll say it before and I'll say it again, it is unacceptable and unforgivable to harm a child, no matter what!
Thank you. One of the experts on tv said it was a lower than usual number for an area. I find that really, really freaky but apparently this is not a high number.

[mu8shark]

Another Susan Smith thing.....she always faked crying....OMG I thought the same exact thing, no tears just kind of fake little catch in her voice, just like Susan Smith. I thought the exact same thing tonight.

[deacon]

One of the experts on tv said it was a lower than usual number for an area. I find that really, really freaky but apparently this is not a high number.

Yea, the term "sex offender" covers a very large group of people who have commited different types of crimes.

[lorettalockhorn]

Registered sex offenders by state (adjusted to offenders by million):

http://www.familywatchdog.us/OffenderCountByState.asp

[SuzDuJour]

I think the young GF sounded really frightened during the 911 call and I can't figure out why the dad had her call. He sounds like he might be coaching her in the background, but when he finally picks up the phone he just starts cussing and yelling. I think he may be having her lie for him - do we know that he actually went to work and what time he actually came home? He said he passed the polygraph with flying colors, but has LE confirmed that?

I just can't get the picture out of my mind of his face getting all scrunched up in his interview when he realized he said "I'd give my life to have the life of my child back", and then he collapses to the ground. Then pops right up again.

So far, has there been any confirmation of HIS story?

[lorettalockhorn]

Yea, the term "sex offender" covers a very large group of people who have commited different types of crimes.

Right. The Family Watchdog maps are color coded so that you can pinpoint pedophiles, for instance.

[mu8shark]

I honestly don't understand this case at all....we have three different stories here...and I don't believe any of them...I feel the same way as you do Loretta I don't want to attack the crime victim's either but its just a very weird situation..I really hope Haleigh is found and is alright but my hope is running out..:( The cinder block sounds staged to me for one thing. A kidnapper is coming to get a five year old child through the door, not to steal an awkward couch or get a pool table through the door, why would you need to prop open the door exactly? It just sounds staged. Also what kind of a surface would a concrete block be for fingerprints? Would it be a good source or not? I also think something is wrong with the way this story has evolved or changed. It almost sounds like the girl is trying to make her story fit something.. I realize people panic and misspeak but I don't know, I had a hinky feeling about this when they said no forced entry. And after seeing her 'crying' I just get that hmmmmm feeling. Also LE did not say she passed the lie detector test, she told reporters she felt like she passed the test or thought she had passed it. LE would not comment on the tests. As for them saying she is not a suspect for now. I have heard that a lot and it turned out a few days later, they were zeroing in on a person.I think the words for now are key.

[Zingo]

On NG tonight I noticed she had her eyes closed the whole time she was answering one question. I can't remember the ? though. :o

Well, the father had his eyes closed on NG last night while he answered questions. At first I took it that he was not being truthful, but then I realized that if he was working a 3rd shift, he hadn't slept in more than 24 hours, so I cut him some slack.

Still, something seems fishy about this group ... I didn't like how he kept saying, "I was at work" and "trying to make an honest living." I don't get why people say "honest living."

Anyway, I gotta go to bed now...

[lorettalockhorn]

I think the young GF sounded really frightened during the 911 call and I can't figure out why the dad had her call. He sounds like he might be coaching her in the background, but when he finally picks up the phone he just starts cussing and yelling. I think he may be having her lie for him - do we know that he actually went to work and what time he actually came home? He said he passed the polygraph with flying colors, but has LE confirmed that?

I just can't get the picture out of my mind of his face getting all scrunched up in his interview when he realized he said "I'd give my life to have the life of my child back", and then he collapses to the ground. Then pops right up again.

So far, has there been any confirmation of HIS story?

The original story that I read on the Orlando Sentinel website said that Mistie got up and discovered Haleigh missing around 3am, but the 911 call wasn't until almost 3:30 when Mr. Cummings arrived home. Why the wait? And it's ridiculous that he wouldn't have been on the phone giving the operator pertinent information such as the description. What was he doing? Mistie didn't even know Haleigh's DOB.

No confirmation that I've found on the LDTs.

[mu8shark]

I think the young GF sounded really frightened during the 911 call and I can't figure out why the dad had her call. He sounds like he might be coaching her in the background, but when he finally picks up the phone he just starts cussing and yelling. I think he may be having her lie for him - do we know that he actually went to work and what time he actually came home? He said he passed the polygraph with flying colors, but has LE confirmed that?

I just can't get the picture out of my mind of his face getting all scrunched up in his interview when he realized he said "I'd give my life to have the life of my child back", and then he collapses to the ground. Then pops right up again.

So far, has there been any confirmation of HIS story?Well what I heard the reporter say was that LE would not confirm what the test results are. And you make a good point on the father. At first they said he was at work when it happened, but as Nancy pointed out, when was the last time an independant souce saw the child. I am not accusing but lets say something did happen to the child prior to him going to work , just for arguments sake, and the girlfriend claim she put her to bed. I am not saying it did happen to this way but they can't necessarily assume she was alive and well at 8 pm or later. Assume nothing.

[SuzDuJour]

Did the search dogs hit on anything or go any particular direction - does anyone know?

Also, if she's only 17 and has been there several months - is this allowed in Florida?? He's way older than she is, seems like statutory rape at least? That could explain some of the strangeness I sense from this guy, maybe he just doesn't want to get into trouble on that front while his daughter has honestly been taken.

I read a comment section in one of the papers online and someone said he has been known to 'prey' on young girls to take care of his children.

Don't know...just something with them both doesn't seem right to me.

[lighthousedazy]

These people are obviously ignorant, low IQ, uneducated and lacking in social graces. But that doesn't mean they harmed Haleigh. In view of Jessica, I'll reserve my judgment.

I typed the words "this child" and had to go back and change it to her name because it reminded me too much of the A's.
They are peculiar, but I don't think they harmed Haleigh either. I really believe she was kidnapped by a stranger and it looks very grim as time goes by. :(

[lorettalockhorn]

Did the search dogs hit on anything or go any particular direction - does anyone know?

Also, if she's only 17 and has been there several months - is this allowed in Florida?? He's way older than she is, seems like statutory rape at least? That could explain some of the strangeness I sense from this guy, maybe he just doesn't want to get into trouble on that front while his daughter has honestly been taken.

I read a comment section in one of the papers online and someone said he has been known to 'prey' on young girls to take care of his children.

Don't know...just something with them both doesn't seem right to me.

I've asked about laws in FL, my understanding is that Mistie is a minor. Some states take into consideration the age difference as a means of determining statutory rape. She seems immature to me, but I don't see her parents removing her from Cummings' home. I guess she has their blessing.

ETA: Blood hounds followed Haleigh's scent to the river, but sonar didn't reveal anything in the water. Cadaver dogs will search tomorrow.

[lighthousedazy]

Registered sex offenders by state (adjusted to offenders by million):

http://www.familywatchdog.us/OffenderCountByState.aspI heard Oprah say once that statistically (not physically) there is 1 sex offender in every square mile of this country. If you look at some of these creeps in the Satsuma area they are very old. These people cannot be rehabilitated and should be in prison for life, imo. :flamemad: I live in Columbia SC now. My zipcode is 17 square miles and there are 70+ in my area. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Three feet tall and 39 pounds seems very short to me. Wonder if her size had something to do with the allegation that she frequently missed school.

[STLcardfan]

I am fairly sure the father told Greta the other night the last time he seen her was at 3:45 when he got her off the school bus. Don't let the looks or IQ of these people shade your opinion. My first thought when I seen Jessica's dad was wow what a country bumkin yet he managed to get laws changed.

[mu8shark]

Three feet tall and 39 pounds seems very short to me. Wonder if her size had something to do with the allegation that she frequently missed school. The mother said the father told her if the child missed any more school he would be arrested. What does that mean, can you get in trouble for your child having crappy attendance in school? I mean if you have doctors notes to back it up it does not make sense to me. Was he just telling her that so he could make her skip a visit or has he kept her out of school and can't prove she is sick and the state or district thinks he is contributing to some kind of truancy. Also the story the mother told about why she lost custody of the child seemed sketchy at best. There is something she is not telling. I have never heard that if you don't return a child after a visit as she said he did that the state would just let you keep them like that. I would think the father would be in trouble for doing that. She was very hesitant in some of her answers and I am not of course saying the mother knows anything about her abduction, I just think the story of why he has custody did not come out on NG.

[lighthousedazy]

I am fairly sure the father told Greta the other night the last time he seen her was at 3:45 when he got her off the school bus. Don't let the looks or IQ of these people shade your opinion. My first thought when I seen Jessica's dad was wow what a country bumkin yet he managed to get laws changed.
I hope I haven't seemed snubby. The people that I saw from the neighborhood seemed to be as good as gold. imo Abusers and pedophiles can come from every class. And Ronald Cummings was sincere and distraught and very upset that his child was missing.

[SuzDuJour]

Well what I heard the reporter say was that LE would not confirm what the test results are. And you make a good point on the father. At first they said he was at work when it happened, but as Nancy pointed out, when was the last time an independant souce saw the child. I am not accusing but lets say something did happen to the child prior to him going to work , just for arguments sake, and the girlfriend claim she put her to bed. I am not saying it did happen to this way but they can't necessarily assume she was alive and well at 8 pm or later. Assume nothing.

Actually, I hadn't thought about what could have happened BEFORE he went to work...his shift would be 7:00pm to 3:00am - is that about right? ITA with you about a confirmation of who last saw her and when!

[lorettalockhorn]

I am fairly sure the father told Greta the other night the last time he seen her was at 3:45 when he got her off the school bus. Don't let the looks or IQ of these people shade your opinion. My first thought when I seen Jessica's dad was wow what a country bumkin yet he managed to get laws changed.

I thought he works from 3pm - 3am. How did he get her off the bus while he was at work?

[mu8shark]

I am fairly sure the father told Greta the other night the last time he seen her was at 3:45 when he got her off the school bus. Don't let the looks or IQ of these people shade your opinion. My first thought when I seen Jessica's dad was wow what a country bumkin yet he managed to get laws changed. Well the fact of whether they are smart or dumb or polished or sleazy or sophisticated or not does not really bear on my judgement as far as if they had something to do with her disappearance at all because the rich and middle classes harm their children too. But what does influence me is that the story so far does not quite add up and just because the Dad says he and the girl passed a lie detector test does not to me anyways automatically exonerate them. I am not saying they had something to do with it, just that so far I would not rule them out. Maybe LE has a clearer picture than I do though of course as it is early. I wonder if every little thing will be released to the media like in the Caylee case. Somehow I still believe Sunshine law or not there are things they can hold close to their vest, not stuff they can keep from the defense but from the public and I am anxious to see how that part of it plays out. I know in the Lunford case we did not learn everything before trial, so it makes me wonder.

[lorettalockhorn]

The mother said the father told her if the child missed any more school he would be arrested. What does that mean, can you get in trouble for your child having crappy attendance in school? I mean if you have doctors notes to back it up it does not make sense to me. Was he just telling her that so he could make her skip a visit or has he kept her out of school and can't prove she is sick and the state or district thinks he is contributing to some kind of truancy. Also the story the mother told about why she lost custody of the child seemed sketchy at best. There is something she is not telling. I have never heard that if you don't return a child after a visit as she said he did that the state would just let you keep them like that. I would think the father would be in trouble for doing that. She was very hesitant in some of her answers and I am not of course saying the mother knows anything about her abduction, I just think the story of why he has custody did not come out on NG.

When I was a caseworker, a large number of neglect (and some abuse) cases were brought to our attention due to frequent absenteeism. And not only is kindergarten mandatory in AR, but so is attendance. Even with a doc's excuse, a child can be remediated. It's difficult to tell what the FL laws are with regard to days absent.

[lorettalockhorn]

Three feet tall and 39 pounds seems very short to me. Wonder if her size had something to do with the allegation that she frequently missed school.

Answering myself here. According to the pediatric BMI calculator, Haleigh is not underweight at all.

[mu8shark]

When I was a caseworker, a large number of neglect (and some abuse) cases were brought to our attention due to frequent absenteeism. And not only is kindergarten mandatory in AR, but so is attendance. Even with a doc's excuse, a child can be remediated. It's difficult to tell what the FL laws are with regard to days absent. Thanks Loretta good to know!

[SuzDuJour]

I thought he works from 3pm - 3am. How did he get her off the bus while he was at work?

A 12-hour shift and two little tad to take care of - quite a load for a young guy. Not to mention having to get up early to get her on a bus for school. It's an awful lot to deal with at any age.

[lorettalockhorn]

A 12-hour shift and two little tad to take care of - quite a load for a young guy. Not to mention having to get up early to get her on a bus for school. It's an awful lot to deal with at any age.

Couldn't agree more!

[mu8shark]

Actually, I hadn't thought about what could have happened BEFORE he went to work...his shift would be 7:00pm to 3:00am - is that about right? ITA with you about a confirmation of who last saw her and when! You know what is weird is that when you follow true crime cases you kind of get a feel for certain things and you look at stories I think differently. Not saying I am right about everything of course but one of my cousins once said to me that I tended to be more suspicious and ask more questions on these cases and that I did not accept things just because someone said it was so. And I thought she was putting me down but she added 'And you turn out to be right about 95 per cent of the time." And I think I see that in others on this board, just because someone told the story a certain way does not make it so. I would not call it cynical but realistic because you have to dig a bit to find the truth sometimes. And of course I am not saying if you follow true crime you think everyone is bad or lying but I guess when you have seen the good husband, the devoted wife, the goodie, goodie daughter turn out to be a killer you start looking behind the curtain a bit.

[STLcardfan]

I thought he works from 3pm - 3am. How did he get her off the bus while he was at work?


I was thinking the same thing when he said that. I agree something doesn't add up with these two. I hope they didn't have anything to do with this. The thought of another parent killing their child is just to much.

[lorettalockhorn]

Two things from GVS, 2/12/09:

...GRIFFIS: The only thing we know about any neighbors is there were some kids that lived next door that Haleigh and Junior played with, and they were seen out playing in the yard around 5:00 o'clock yesterday -- or Monday evening. I guess it was Monday evening. I can't even remember anymore. The days are just running together now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, the father of your child was at work when, apparently, Haleigh disappeared. What kind of work does he do, Crystal?

SHEFFIELD: I'm not sure. All I know is he runs a crane.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know, Marie, why he was out until 3:00 o'clock in the morning? I mean, what kind of work would have him out that late, or that early, depending on how you characterize it?

GRIFFIS: He -- we was ere told he worked from 3:00 to 3:00, so I supposed it's a 12-hour shift. And he's a crane operator working for a place called PDM Bridge (ph)...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Nancy Grace, 2/12/09:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html

Jane Velez-Mitchell,2/12/09:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ijvm.01.html

[Native Alien]

On the door lock:

This is from the transcript at the above link on GVS:

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, let me ask you the same question. What's your theory tonight? And I realize this is a very fluid situation, but what's your -- what do you think is the trail we should go down to look for this child? What do you think happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I know because I specifically locked those doors before I left for work, and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way. And I know it was locked all the way. I checked it myself. And she does not open the door for strangers or wander alone in the dark, nothing like that. So somebody broke into my home and stole my child.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure.

As to the girlfriend, first of all if it was a brick that is one thing, but it was a concrete block, commonly referred to as a cinderblock. I would think that living in the state of Florida she would know the difference. Secondly, I don't know how she could have slept thru someone entering the house with the noise that they would have made breaking in that door.

The mother said that the 1st court notice for the custody hearing went to a wrong address. They held that against her when it came to the second hearing.

Kindergarden here in Ohio is a half day, in some places only 3 hours long. So it could have been earlier than 3:45 when he got the little girl off the bus.

[deacon]

On the door lock:

This is from the transcript at the above link on GVS:

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, let me ask you the same question. What's your theory tonight? And I realize this is a very fluid situation, but what's your -- what do you think is the trail we should go down to look for this child? What do you think happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I know because I specifically locked those doors before I left for work, and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way. And I know it was locked all the way. I checked it myself. And she does not open the door for strangers or wander alone in the dark, nothing like that. So somebody broke into my home and stole my child.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure.

As to the girlfriend, first of all if it was a brick that is one thing, but it was a concrete block, commonly referred to as a cinderblock. I would think that living in the state of Florida she would know the difference. Secondly, I don't know how she could have slept thru someone entering the house with the noise that they would have made breaking in that door.
The mother said that the 1st court notice for the custody hearing went to a wrong address. They held that against her when it came to the second hearing.

Kindergarden here in Ohio is a half day, in some places only 3 hours long. So it could have been earlier than 3:45 when he got the little girl off the bus.


But from what I read, the door showed no signs of forced entry. So it would not have been broken down.

The question I had about kindergarten wasn't about time but was it required in Florida so the father would be in trouble for her not being in school as he was reported to have said.

[Native Alien]

I lived in Florida some 20 years ago and it was required then where we were. Both of my daughters went a half a day to kindengarden.

So I think that the answer would be yes to your question deacon.

[Native Alien]

Here is another video of an interview that the girlfriend did that has caused me to have some serious problems with her.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

While I realize there can be miscommunication anytime that you have two people in a room, this is a little beyond that if you ask me. Something just isn't right with all of this.

[old_soul]

Damned if you do damned if you don't?

There's no reason to believe anything happened since she came home from school (assuming she came home from school). Uneducated, yes, seemingly a few eggs short of a dozen, But I don't get the feeling Misty did anything to Haleigh.

What I am thinking is, what was going on in the early evening....? Did she have anyone over and were they partying? Did she leave her company to let themselves out while she put the kids in bed? Was that possibly how the back door was unlocked and open? That is more of a scenario, than to think this not too bright 17 year old got rid of her. She would not want to admit that to her boyfriend, and it seems that they haven't had a minute alone since the phone call..but, would she ultimately tell him people were over, etc?

It's either someone took her
or
Misty did this.

This is what there is to go on, and any miscommunications about the time he starts work, or that she got up at 3:20 instead of 3:00 AM to go to the bathroom have not been talked about by LE. I have gotten up in the wee hours like that, only to stay up and have a cigarette out the bathroom window (as usual).
But, as Deacon has said, there's no problem getting in a trailer/mobile home, and cummings knows that. I'm sure there have been times they have had to get in their own home because they locked themselves out.

Either it was left unlocked, or someone got in.......

MHO ~ and waiting to hear about the lie detector tests.

[lorettalockhorn]

Why does Mistie's story keep changing? Why does Cummings insist that the door was forced open with a crowbar or something, yet there is no sign of forced entry? Why not just say that someone got in somehow instead of saying that someone came in through the deadbolted door?

Mistie said she never got to the bathroom because when she saw that the kitchen light was on and the door open, that is when she discovered Haleigh missing. Why did she wait 27 minutes to call 911 if she got up at 3am?

It's time for LE to nail down these stories, including what time Ronald went to work, and how if he works 3pm-3am he was able to take Haleigh off the bus at 3:45. What does the bus driver say about that?

[old_soul]

Why does Mistie's story keep changing? because she's a twit. Why does Cummings insist that the door was forced open with a crowbar or something, yet there is no sign of forced entry? Why not just say that someone got in somehow because he's another twitinstead of saying that someone came in through the deadbolted door?

Mistie said she never got to the bathroom because when she saw that the kitchen light was on and the door open,true that is when she discovered Haleigh missing. Why did she wait 27 minutes to call 911 if she got up t 3:00 AM? because she's not bright enough to say she didn't know the time. He said he told her to call 911, but she waited till he got there, cause he was just about home. She's a twit.

It's time for LE to nail down these stories, including what time Ronald went to work, and how if he works 3pm-3am he was able to take Haleigh off the bus at 3:45. What does the bus driver say about that?

I agree, but they might not feel the need to explain all of it to the public. I hope that's not true, but they might, to preserve what they know (that we don't).

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree, but they might not feel the need to explain all of it to the public. I hope that's not true, but they might, to preserve what they know (that we don't).

There's no sense in these twits going on camera and cussing and threatening (although Mr. Cummings now says he doesn't want revenge), and crying and carrying on and want to be taken seriously if they're going to spout a bunch of cock and bull to the media and the public.

[lorettalockhorn]

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
Family Holds On To Hope At Vigils

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Despite an intense search of a five-mile area around the home of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using helicopters, boats and ground teams on Thursday, investigators found no new clues in the search for the Putnam County girl.

Family members of Haleigh have been offered polygraph examinations as authorities interview everyone related to the child.

Misty Croslin, 17, was home when the girl disappeared. She is the girlfriend of Haleigh's father, and took the exam. She said she would never do anything to hurt Haleigh.

"I just want everyone to know that I didn't do anything with that little girl. I love her like she's my own, and I'll do anything to get her back," Croslin said.

Croslin said she woke up to find the girl gone and the back door of the home propped open with a brick.

Search crews are working around the clock to find the missing girl...


http://www.wesh.com/news/18706529/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Equusearch teams will begin search

SATSUMA, Fla. - Equusearch volunteers will begin their first search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings this morning. A command center has been set up at 194 E. Buffalo Bluff Road for volunteers to gather and get information.

Members from the KidFinders Network are also set up to help in the search for the missing girl. They have set up a Web site, HelpFindHaleigh.com to ask for donations to help in the search.

Detectives with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office have entered the fifth day in the search for missing Haleigh. Sheriff Jeff Hardy said they plan to bring in more aviation assets, dive teams, boats and ground crews. They also have a fresh team going back to the house, tracing any steps they can find.

Hardy says right now they don't have any suspects. He would not confirm if either of the girls parent's vehicles had been tested for evidence...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021309Equusearch_teams_will_begin_search_for_Halei gh

[lorettalockhorn]

Investigators still searching for Haleigh Cummings

SATSUMA - UPDATE: 11:15 a.m. Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy just wrapped up a news briefing about the search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

"Listen, we have actively investigated and pursued over 350 leads that have come in to date. So we are not just going to limit this search to Putnam County. We'll go where ever it takes us."

He would not address media reports about inconsistencies in statements given by the 17-year-old girlfriend who reported Haleigh missing. She told investigators she was sleeping in the same bed as Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother before Haleigh was discovered missing. But Misty Croslin told reporters Thursday she was sleeping in her own bed before discovering Haleigh was gone.

Hardy also said searchers are expanding the area of the search, but he would give details. About 50 law enforcement officers, 100 volunteers and 20 agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement are in Putnam County and helping with the investigation and search...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-missing-florida-girl-haleigh-021309,0,5976597.story

[lorettalockhorn]

>>are expanding the area of the search, but he would give details.

Should this read wouldn't give details?

[lighthousedazy]

Here is another video of an interview that the girlfriend did that has caused me to have some serious problems with her.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

While I realize there can be miscommunication anytime that you have two people in a room, this is a little beyond that if you ask me. Something just isn't right with all of this.In the video she mentioned a white van that they took. Who took? She was speaking fast at the time and I didn't understand. I noticed that she raised her eyebrows when she answered some of the questions. I think that is one sign of lying. jmo I don't understand how Misty wouldn't hear anything. She doesn't seem to be hearing impaired.

I also think the person that took Haleigh would have to be someone in the area that knows her or sees where she lives, or someone that has been in the home. They should also check with the father's co workers. jmo

[Lodi]

~Snip~ According to investigators, Haleigh was last seen on Monday night around 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane. Haleigh, her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m., about the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When THEY went back into the bedroom THEY discovered Haleigh was gone.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

It's difficult to say why the stories change. Is the reporters not listening or is Mistie actually giving different accounts?

[lorettalockhorn]

In the video she mentioned a white van that they took. Who took? She was speaking fast at the time and I didn't understand. I noticed that she raised her eyebrows when she answered some of the questions. I think that is one sign of lying. jmo I don't understand how Misty wouldn't hear anything. She doesn't seem to be hearing impaired.

I also think the person that took Haleigh would have to be someone in the area that knows her or sees where she lives, or someone that has been in the home. They should also check with the father's co workers. jmo

Interesting article on eye movement and lying with regard to access of information:

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

ETA: No clue about the van. Is that what Cummings drove/rode to work in?

What's up with the peed on blanket? Wouldn't Mistie have washed it even if it didn't smell like urine? And is this child a frequent bedwetter? Health problems? Emotional problems?

Agree that whoever took Haleigh from the house must have been familiar, or there would have been bumbling and stumbling and noisemaking.

[wind149]

Some of this does not add up, one minute she says they all were in the same bed and then she says the child was in her own bed and from what I can gather from the mother's report, the two children shared a room and the daddy and she had the other bedroom, now I am keeping in terms that trailers are not a large home, bedrooms tend to be right next to each other and the wallboard tends to be thin as well, but this would not be the first time a woman resented her partner's children. I speak from experience here. About 4 years ago I was dating a man I found to be wonderful, hard-working, he is a chef, did not drink or do drugs and as faithful as you can get. The drawback? His child from hell!!! The kid was supposed to be ADHD but in my opinion he was spoiled rotten, did not want Daddy to have any kind of life and was just a pain the ass!!

He could go to a friend's and Kurt and I would try to spend time together and the little beast would call about the time we were enjoying ourselves and want to go home and Kurt would just leap up and go get him and I saw through this brat's game plan, he had to be the center of attention when it came to Kurt, did not want to share him and wanted everything his way. I tried at first to turn this kid around, I even bought this kid a computer, clothing, video games, we took him out to eat, he was allowed to mow my lawn and get some pocket money and all I asked was for this brat to give Dad and I some time alone! We could not even go the casino which is where Kurt likes to go, unless we went when the brat was in school and then he would demand to know where we went and would throw a hissy when we told him where we went and then demand to know if we won!!! We would go on the casino floor and he would go the arcade and when he RAN out of the money then we HAD to leave!!!

Kurt is such a good man, he stepped up to plate and took "D" at birth because the loser mother was a crack addict and a drunk and has tried to do his best with this little beast!! I got to thinking one day about how I did not think this kid was ADHD. First of all, he got very good grades,. scarily enough and kids with ADHD have no attention span he did. Keeping in mind his loser mother did drugs and drank throughout the pregnancy so on a fluke I looked up Alcohol Fetal Syndrome and this little beast fit all the criteria!!! The not wanting to hear the word no, throwing fits when he did not get his own way and hyperactivity so I told Kurt and at first he did not want to hear of it and I suggested he contact his doctor and ask if he could be tested and he called and the doctor said, yes, he would test him, he does and determines that yes, he has AFS and decided to put him on meds.

Two days later they are at my house for dinner and he did not like what I was serving and refused to eat and I was like oh well and then he boldly walks to the fridge and tries to take out a sandwich and again I told him no and with that, he grabs a beautiful butterfly plate my best friend had given me and threw it!! I just saw RED!!! I told them both to get the f**k out of my house and not come back!!!And I had not seen either one of them till last month and believe it or not the kid who is now 18 has a good job, his own house and a new car!! After I broke up with him, Kurt put him in a bootcamp because the little beast tried to burn down his bedroom and had fired a bee bee gun at people and the police told him that the kid would go to jail if he did not send him to that camp and from I gathered, he was there for 6 months getting the help he clearly needed.

I never would fault Kurt for it, if anything I respect him for loving this troubled kid and I felt for the kid on some levels especially the AFS part, he did not ask to be born, he did ask to have the POS mother that he has and in some ways because of the way his brain is wired he could not help himself in some aspects and I am glad that he turned out as good as he has. I am wondering about girlfriend here, she is only 17 does not strike me as being too bright, in fact the whole lot of them are pure hillbillies, and being young, hooking up with Daddy who appears to be in his late 20's, a man who has two young children and maybe she felt overwhelmed. Now this is conjecture on my part but her stories are a tad conflicting and I pray this little angel is alive and not have been abducted by a sexual predator because I don't want her to be like Jessie Lunsford.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings Search Update 02/13/09
Posted on 13. Feb, 2009 by B Tarr in Active Cases, Missing Persons, TES News

02/13/09 - Texas EquuSearch began the first day of coordinated volunteer search efforts today, in conjunction with local and state law enforcement. As of 9:30am, EST, approximately 100 volunteers have shown up, in addition to the core TES team and law enforcement. We are extremely pleased with the turnout that we are seeing and the level of cooperation that we are receiving from the community.

If you are interested in volunteering today, or over the weekend if the search continues, please keep your eye on this website for updates. To volunteer, you must be 18 years old or older and have a valid photo ID. In order to make the check in process easier, please download, complete and bring with you, a copy of the Volunteer Registration form and a copy of your valid photo ID. Click here for the Registration form.

We need people to search on foot and on horseback. We do not need ATV’s at this time. Horse owners must bring a copy of a negative Coggins report for each horse, to be retained by TES for our records. At this time, we are not in need of any K-9 teams.

Please make sure to dress appropriately for searching. Long pants, long sleeve shirt, comfortable walking shoes or boots (water resistant recommended), and heavy socks are appropriate. For safety purposes, no shorts are allowed. Please bring bug spray, sunscreen and a walking stick. Because we are in a very remote area, all searchers should bring their own lunches and snacks.

IMPORTANT - Do not bring pets or children to the Command Center. For safety purposes, they are not allowed, and although we hate to do so, we will have to ask you to leave. Safety of our volunteers always comes first.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-update-021309/

[f0revery0urs]

There are so many things wrong with this story. First of all, the father's girlfriend is 17?? Is that legal in Florida or something? Next, it mentioned they live in a mobile home and all sleep in the same room. The girlfriend, father, and 2 children. Correct? I thought I read 2 children. But anyways, the girlfriend gets home to go to the bathroom and her boyfriend comes home. Don't mobile homes have 1 door? Sure, windows, but not big enough for someone to get through, especially without anyone hearing them! And if she was taken, or walked out of the front door, she would've had to pass her father and his girlfriend.

In my opinion, I think the girlfriend did something. At 17 years old, she is still very irresponsible and I think she took that little girl somewhere, or did something to her so she wouldn't have to put up with it anymore. At 17, I highly doubt she wanted to be "mommy."

Dating for 4-6 months and fully trusting your children with someone was his mistake. When I have children, they won't be left with anyone except people like family, or friends, who I know I can trust because I've known them for awhile. 4-6 months?!

[Justice Denied?]

I think the young GF sounded really frightened during the 911 call and I can't figure out why the dad had her call. He sounds like he might be coaching her in the background, but when he finally picks up the phone he just starts cussing and yelling. I think he may be having her lie for him - do we know that he actually went to work and what time he actually came home? He said he passed the polygraph with flying colors, but has LE confirmed that?

I just can't get the picture out of my mind of his face getting all scrunched up in his interview when he realized he said "I'd give my life to have the life of my child back", and then he collapses to the ground. Then pops right up again.

So far, has there been any confirmation of HIS story?

I can't answer you questions, but I wanted to say I think both he and the girlfriend are faking their emotions, sort of what they think they should do.
He reminds me of Melinda Duckett when she said " I know who f --ing did it" May just be the accent.

[lorettalockhorn]

There are so many things wrong with this story. First of all, the father's girlfriend is 17?? Is that legal in Florida or something? Next, it mentioned they live in a mobile home and all sleep in the same room. The girlfriend, father, and 2 children. Correct? I thought I read 2 children. But anyways, the girlfriend gets home to go to the bathroom and her boyfriend comes home. Don't mobile homes have 1 door? Sure, windows, but not big enough for someone to get through, especially without anyone hearing them! And if she was taken, or walked out of the front door, she would've had to pass her father and his girlfriend.

In my opinion, I think the girlfriend did something. At 17 years old, she is still very irresponsible and I think she took that little girl somewhere, or did something to her so she wouldn't have to put up with it anymore. At 17, I highly doubt she wanted to be "mommy."

Dating for 4-6 months and fully trusting your children with someone was his mistake. When I have children, they won't be left with anyone except people like family, or friends, who I know I can trust because I've known them for awhile. 4-6 months?!

GF was already home, she was babysitting while Dad was at work. She claims that she woke up to go to the bathroom (which is right off the master bedroom according to the ex-wife). What has changed is exactly which room Haleigh was sleeping in, which bed, and with whom.

Yeah, I've got a big problem with this whole relationship. The girl's too young to be buying the cigarettes that she smokes, let alone mature enough to be responsible for two children, IMO. Most people would be well advised not to even introduce their children to a new GF/lover/mother figure, let alone be shacked up with them and leave the children with her/him for twelve+ hours per day in such a short period of time. And don't even get me started on what kind of guy would even be interested in such an emotionally immature girl (I hesitate to use the word woman here.)

I think it's possible that she had someone over that she thought she could trust and something happened to Haleigh and she doesn't want to admit it to LE or her "boyfriend".

[javahog]

GF was already home, she was babysitting while Dad was at work. She claims that she woke up to go to the bathroom (which is right off the master bedroom according to the ex-wife). What has changed is exactly which room Haleigh was sleeping in, which bed, and with whom.

Yeah, I've got a big problem with this whole relationship. The girl's too young to be buying the cigarettes that she smokes, let alone mature enough to be responsible for two children, IMO. Most people would be well advised not to even introduce their children to a new GF/lover/mother figure, let alone be shacked up with them and leave the children with her/him for twelve+ hours per day in such a short period of time. And don't even get me started on what kind of guy would even be interested in such an emotionally immature girl (I hesitate to use the word woman here.)

I think it's possible that she had someone over that she thought she could trust and something happened to Haleigh and she doesn't want to admit it to LE or her "boyfriend".

That sadly makes a lot of sense...

[lorettalockhorn]

Statutory Rape Laws by state:

...Florida

Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors if someone age 24 or older engages in sexual activity with someone age 16 or 17.

Up to 15 years in prison...

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-R-0376.htm

[lorettalockhorn]

Search Expands For Missing 5-Year-Old Girl

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- After four days and no sign of little 5-year-old Haleigh Cumming, the search just got more intense Friday with more interviews, more volunteers and a wider, more expansive search.

Tim Miller, from Texas-based EquuSearch, was involved in the search for Caylee Anthony and is now leading the search for Haleigh.

Investigators are re-interviewing family members, but wouldn't say which ones...

...Investigators say they found items of interest in their search Friday and that was confirmed by the sheriff's office late Friday afternoon. They won't say what they found or where they found it, but it may be important evidence and it turned up because of Friday's intense search...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18708433/detail.html

[Justice Denied?]

A 12-hour shift and two little tad to take care of - quite a load for a young guy. Not to mention having to get up early to get her on a bus for school. It's an awful lot to deal with at any age.

Maybe he depended on the girlfriend and she didn't do it.

[Gatordog]

There are so many things wrong with this story. First of all, the father's girlfriend is 17?? Is that legal in Florida or something? Next, it mentioned they live in a mobile home and all sleep in the same room. The girlfriend, father, and 2 children. Correct? I thought I read 2 children. But anyways, the girlfriend gets home to go to the bathroom and her boyfriend comes home. Don't mobile homes have 1 door? Sure, windows, but not big enough for someone to get through, especially without anyone hearing them! And if she was taken, or walked out of the front door, she would've had to pass her father and his girlfriend.

In my opinion, I think the girlfriend did something. At 17 years old, she is still very irresponsible and I think she took that little girl somewhere, or did something to her so she wouldn't have to put up with it anymore. At 17, I highly doubt she wanted to be "mommy."

Dating for 4-6 months and fully trusting your children with someone was his mistake. When I have children, they won't be left with anyone except people like family, or friends, who I know I can trust because I've known them for awhile. 4-6 months?!

It's a mobile home, not a trailer. My friend lived in a mobile home and it was 1600 sq with three bedrooms and front door and a back door.

Gator

[wind149]

I just heard some things on JVM that bother me. First of all now we hear that Misty claims the child wet the bed so she washed the blanket but says nothing about the bedding and the mattress? According to her maternal grandmother Hayleigh had not wet the bed for at least 3 years and she is questioning that, kinda makes me wonder what was really on the blanket, was it blood?? Now we hear an AC repairman was there that day and her older brothers and nephews stopped by in the evening and why did she not divulge that? The AC guy has been cleared. I mean we are talking about some pretty uneducated people here, can't even talk right, and I have doubts about Misty, I think now that she might harbor some resentment, sounds like Daddy appointed her Mommy and taking care of a 2 and 5 year old all day and night would drive me crazy, but at 17 I would have never hooked up with a 25 year old guy with two young kids!!!

Hell, I won't hook up with one at my age now!! LE says they have cleared all of the SO's in the area, but what about one that has failed to register or has not been caught yet? Couey was not living where he told his PO he was, in fact he was 150 yards from Jessie and what galls me to this day is when Citrus County Sheriff's Dept came to that trailer, Jessie was probably still alive in that closet and that lying skank sister of Couey's should be sitting on DR herself along with her scumbag daughteras well, all crackwhores and Couey. She lied through her tooth for him and I still can't understand to this day why the DA did not charge her with at least lying and obstruction of justice, she lies for that POS and they let her walk, makes me puke!!! I just hope they find this child alive, but 4 days and no sight, hope is starting to dim as the first 48 hours are crucial to finding a missing child after that, with nothing to go on, often they interview everyone they can, they search miles of land, and nothing, shades of Caylee.

[deacon]

It's a mobile home, not a trailer. My friend lived in a mobile home and it was 1600 sq with three bedrooms and front door and a back door.

Gator

and most have regular size windows now.

[Justice Denied?]

But from what I read, the door showed no signs of forced entry. So it would not have been broken down.

The question I had about kindergarten wasn't about time but was it required in Florida so the father would be in trouble for her not being in school as he was reported to have said.

I think we need to verify everything that comes from Crystal ( the mom). She seems to be pretty bitter and hateful regarding Ronald and Missy. She wants to paint him in a bad light.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just heard some things on JVM that bother me. First of all now we hear that Misty claims the child wet the bed so she washed the blanket but says nothing about the bedding and the mattress? According to her maternal grandmother Hayleigh had not wet the bed for at least 3 years and she is questioning that, kinda makes me wonder what was really on the blanket, was it blood?? Now we hear an AC repairman was there that day and her older brothers and nephews stopped by in the evening and why did she not divulge that? The AC guy has been cleared. I mean we are talking about some pretty uneducated people here, can't even talk right, and I have doubts about Misty, I think now that she might harbor some resentment, sounds like Daddy appointed her Mommy and taking care of a 2 and 5 year old all day and night would drive me crazy, but at 17 I would have never hooked up with a 25 year old guy with two young kids!!!

Hell, I won't hook up with one at my age now!! LE says they have cleared all of the SO's in the area, but what about one that has failed to register or has not been caught yet? Couey was not living where he told his PO he was, in fact he was 150 yards from Jessie and what galls me to this day is when Citrus County Sheriff's Dept came to that trailer, Jessie was probably still alive in that closet and that lying skank sister of Couey's should be sitting on DR herself along with her scumbag daughteras well, all crackwhores and Couey. She lied through her tooth for him and I still can't understand to this day why the DA did not charge her with at least lying and obstruction of justice, she lies for that POS and they let her walk, makes me puke!!! I just hope they find this child alive, but 4 days and no sight, hope is starting to dim as the first 48 hours are crucial to finding a missing child after that, with nothing to go on, often they interview everyone they can, they search miles of land, and nothing, shades of Caylee.

Wind, maybe Mistie's relatives' visit is what she is referring to when she mentions the van in the interview that NA linked. I don't get the peed on blanket thing at all. You only wash it if it smells? HUH? You wait until the child's bedtime the next day to take care of laundry duties? Don't most parental units who deal with a bedwetting or vomiting or spillage or whatever accident take care of it right away?

I agree that this girl doesn't have the sense God gave a goose and probably couldn't plan and carry off an abduction, but it seems easy enough to believe that she wittingly or unwittingly abetted a kidnapper.

Just now watching JVM, and I find it very strange that Haleigh's mother and her relatives don't seem to know the girl who was taking care of her daughter.

[lorettalockhorn]

It's a mobile home, not a trailer. My friend lived in a mobile home and it was 1600 sq with three bedrooms and front door and a back door.

Gator

I didn't know that there is a difference, but I do know that some look much nicer and better constructed than others. We should realize that there are at least two doors, since there is reference to the back door.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think we need to verify everything that comes from Crystal ( the mom). She seems to be pretty bitter and hateful regarding Ronald and Missy. She wants to paint him in a bad light.

She doesn't strike me as bitter or hateful, but she sure as hell doesn't seem to know what's going on with her daughter, and doesn't even know Haleigh's (and Junior's) caretaker. WTF?

As for Ronald, I'd paint him in a bad light too, but probably for different reasons that Crystal. Like the statutory rape going on in her children's home seemingly with the blessing of everyone involved. You better believe I'd be in family court with that bit of information for the judge.

[Justice Denied?]

Equusearch teams will begin search

SATSUMA, Fla. - Equusearch volunteers will begin their first search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings this morning. A command center has been set up at 194 E. Buffalo Bluff Road for volunteers to gather and get information.

Members from the KidFinders Network are also set up to help in the search for the missing girl. They have set up a Web site, HelpFindHaleigh.com to ask for donations to help in the search.

Detectives with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office have entered the fifth day in the search for missing Haleigh. Sheriff Jeff Hardy said they plan to bring in more aviation assets, dive teams, boats and ground crews. They also have a fresh team going back to the house, tracing any steps they can find.

Hardy says right now they don't have any suspects. He would not confirm if either of the girls parent's vehicles had been tested for evidence...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021309Equusearch_teams_will_begin_search_for_Halei gh

That is one thing I have been wondering. Did Misty have access to a car in order to get rid of the body, if she did if fact kill her? I honestly don't think she did anything. She was two willing to take not one, but two lie detector tests.

[Justice Denied?]

Interesting article on eye movement and lying with regard to access of information:

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

ETA: No clue about the van. Is that what Cummings drove/rode to work in?

What's up with the peed on blanket? Wouldn't Mistie have washed it even if it didn't smell like urine? And is this child a frequent bedwetter? Health problems? Emotional problems?

Agree that whoever took Haleigh from the house must have been familiar, or there would have been bumbling and stumbling and noisemaking.

They apparantly had 2 vehicles. Don't have any idea who drove what. I'm assuming "they" are LE who took the van.

[Sunbug70]

and most have regular size windows now.

They all have regular sized windows as well as front and back doors, they have to for fire codes. Most of the newer double wides are built pretty much the same as stick built homes.

I hope I am not wrong on this.. but I really think the girlfriend is just young and scared. Much of the story confusion could be caused by simple reporting errors by news stations. Even NG has been reporting confused information on this story. (Calling the 17 year old a babysitter instead of the girlfriend) You know, she tells one cop, the story is relayed to the next then to a reporter and on and on. Like a game of telephone, by the time we get it some of the details could be confused.

It is interesting the her brothers/nephews may have been there earlier in the day. I will be interested to hear more about them.

I feel bad that so many people are down on these folks due to their verbal skills and housing. Good and bad parents come in all varieties. Being rich or poor isn't a deal maker on who is or isn't.

What I do find objectionable is that this girl is only 17 and he is 25. That is just wrong. Not 100 percent certain on FL law but illegal or not it is wrong.

IMHO

[lorettalockhorn]

They all have regular sized windows as well as front and back doors, they have to for fire codes. Most of the newer double wides are built pretty much the same as stick built homes.

I hope I am not wrong on this.. but I really think the girlfriend is just young and scared. Much of the story confusion could be caused by simple reporting errors by news stations. Even NG has been reporting confused information on this story. (Calling the 17 year old a babysitter instead of the girlfriend) You know, she tells one cop, the story is relayed to the next then to a reporter and on and on. Like a game of telephone, by the time we get it some of the details could be confused.

It is interesting the her brothers/nephews may have been there earlier in the day. I will be interested to hear more about them.

I feel bad that so many people are down on these folks due to their verbal skills and housing. Good and bad parents come in all varieties. Being rich or poor isn't a deal maker on who is or isn't.

What I do find objectionable is that this girl is only 17 and he is 25. That is just wrong. Not 100 percent certain on FL law but illegal or not it is wrong.

IMHO

I could care less about these folks' verbal skills, my problem is with the lack of common sense exhibited. As for Mistie being misunderstood, you might want to go back and read her statements or watch the videos, she has contradicted herself. You can't put that off on NG or the rest of the media. And you can't blame the media for the fact that she waited almost thirty minutes before calling LE and didn't even know Haleigh's DOB. Also, Ronald has contricted LE's statement about a break-in.

Post #136 has a link to Florida law with regard to statutory rape, and I have quoted what is pertinent.

Oh, and while you're watching the videos, watch for the non-verbal clues for lying.

[wind149]

Yeah, these people, all of them are pure D hillbillies for sure and right now on NG, the sister of Ronald is on and she doesn't know jack either and most responsible parents and grandparents would really want to know who is taking care of the children and instead, Daddy puts a 17 year old girl who appears to be totally uneducated in the care of his children, she could barely talk to the 911 operator, do you guys with kids know how much your child weighs or how tall or the DOB?? And the blanket? Something tells me that trailer is gonna look like a ****hole, probably filthy, dirty clothes everywhere, dirty dishes in the sink, she does not strike me as a good housekeeper or caretaker for the kids never mind just wash a pee stained blanket, what about the sheets? She claims she gave the child a sheet, but did she clean the mattress? My money says no and I have a feeling she did not wash that blanket unless it contained something she did not want people to know about like blood. I think it was somebody that knew that trailer, somebody that has been in it and knows where the doors are and possibly know when Daddy would leave for work.

Couey scoped out Jessie before he made his move, He knew when Mark left at night to see his girlfriend and grandparents went to bed, sick POS like him will go any lengths to snap a kid and even though LE claims they have searched all of the 44 SEX OFFENDERS residents and accounted for their whereabouts, but we know that there could be someone that moved into that park that is a convicted sex offender or a wannabe and has not registered, we all know if left up to them, they won't and wannabe's wait for a occasion to finally assault a child, I have a feeling of dread. Remember Brooke Bennett over the summer the girl from VT? I knew the minute her uncle was confirmed to be a registered SO, I knew that child was dead and I am feeling that here as much as I don't want it to be a reality but in this sick world where a SO get probation for raping kids, it empowers them to continue until just molesting and raping them is not enough then they murder them too either to cover up the crime or because killing them gives them a woody too! Lots of questions here kids.

[Justice Denied?]

She doesn't strike me as bitter or hateful, but she sure as hell doesn't seem to know what's going on with her daughter, and doesn't even know Haleigh's (and Junior's) caretaker. WTF?

As for Ronald, I'd paint him in a bad light too, but probably for different reasons that Crystal. Like the statutory rape going on in her children's home seemingly with the blessing of everyone involved. You better believe I'd be in family court with that bit of information for the judge.

You and me, too. What's up with this girl? How come nobody's putting her parents in jail because she's not atending school? She doesn't have a job either unless you consider babysitting.

I know it's common in some parts of the country for girls to marry really young, but this is ridiculous. Of course, Momma has a fiance also.

[Justice Denied?]

It's a mobile home, not a trailer. My friend lived in a mobile home and it was 1600 sq with three bedrooms and front door and a back door.

Gator

My sister's has 2 back doorsone on each end and regular size windows. I did notice tonight on NG that this one does have regular windows.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, I'm several minutes behind watching NG (YEA! Mike Brooks!), but one of the talking heads said that the bloodhounds followed a trail directly from the back door to the river. (I had only read that they hit on her scent at the river, not that they followed the scent.) My question is, would there be a trail if Haleigh had been carried? Wouldn't she have had to walk? OR did LE find something inside the home belonging to the perp for the hounds to track?

[lorettalockhorn]

You and me, too. What's up with this girl? How come nobody's putting her parents in jail because she's not atending school? She doesn't have a job either unless you consider babysitting.

I know it's common in some parts of the country for girls to marry really young, but this is ridiculous. Of course, Momma has a fiance also.

Yeah, Mistie doesn't strike me as the kind of girl who would be able to convince a judge that she's a candidate for emancipation.

ETA: Apparently there was legislation in 2008 to raise the compulsory age for school attendance from sixteen to eighteen:

http://www.hslda.org/Legislation/State/fl/2009/FLSB82/default.asp

[Justice Denied?]

Wind, maybe Mistie's relatives' visit is what she is referring to when she mentions the van in the interview that NA linked. I don't get the peed on blanket thing at all. You only wash it if it smells? HUH? You wait until the child's bedtime the next day to take care of laundry duties? Don't most parental units who deal with a bedwetting or vomiting or spillage or whatever accident take care of it right away?

I agree that this girl doesn't have the sense God gave a goose and probably couldn't plan and carry off an abduction, but it seems easy enough to believe that she wittingly or unwittingly abetted a kidnapper.

Just now watching JVM, and I find it very strange that Haleigh's mother and her relatives don't seem to know the girl who was taking care of her daughter.

I don't think it's all that strange that Crystal doesn't know Misty all that well. Most exes don't know the current girlfriend all that well.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think it's all that strange that Crystal doesn't know Misty all that well. Most exes don't know the current girlfriend all that well.

It's probably more lackadaisical than strange.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, we just heard from the talking head that as soon as LE arrived at the scene, the bloodhounds initated the tracking out the back door and along the trail. They believe they found a child's footprint in the dirt.

[Justice Denied?]

Wind, I'm several minutes behind watching NG (YEA! Mike Brooks!), but one of the talking heads said that the bloodhounds followed a trail directly from the back door to the river. (I had only read that they hit on her scent at the river, not that they followed the scent.) My question is, would there be a trail if Haleigh had been carried? Wouldn't she have had to walk? OR did LE find something inside the home belonging to the perp for the hounds to track?

There was also some talk about a child-sized footprint being found. I don't know if someone leaves a trail if they are carried or not. My first thought was, if they found a footprint, she must have gotten out and wandered off on her own and perhaps drowned or something.

[javahog]

Oh, we just heard from the talking head that as soon as LE arrived at the scene, the bloodhounds initated the tracking out the back door and along the trail. They believe they found a child's footprint in the dirt.

I sure hope she didn't wander off from lousy supervision and get et.

[Sunbug70]

I could care less about these folks' verbal skills, my problem is with the lack of common sense exhibited. As for Mistie being misunderstood, you might want to go back and read her statements or watch the videos, she has contradicted herself. You can't put that off on NG or the rest of the media. And you can't blame the media for the fact that she waited almost thirty minutes before calling LE and didn't even know Haleigh's DOB. Also, Ronald has contricted LE's statement about a break-in.

Post #136 has a link to Florida law with regard to statutory rape, and I have quoted what is pertinent.

Oh, and while you're watching the videos, watch for the non-verbal clues for lying.

I agree there has been a lack of common sense. I'm not saying that it has all been misunderstood, I just think that some of the confusion could be due to communication issues. The younger brother for example has been reported as being 2, 3 and 4 years old. Not blaming the media, just know that sometimes things get confused and misreported in the rush to get the story out.

I've watched the videos and read all the articles. I've seen her contradict herself. I'm just hoping and thinking IMO that she is just young and scared. I noticed many of the non-verbal clues also.

I did see your post on the statutory rape law in FL. It would seem that Ronald is guilty of that.

[mandi3020]

Mistie stated that she loves Haleigh and Junior like "her own," and they think of her as "mommy." Yet, she didn't know Haleigh's DOB. From what I understand she's only been dating the dad for a few months. I don't think she is as close to the children as she is leading everyone to believe. That isn't to say that I think she harmed Haleigh, I just think she is very young and probably fearful and making statements that don't make sense.

My thoughts on mobile homes/doublewides (In my job I go to patient homes, many of which are this type of dwelling so I've been in A LOT of them). The majority have the master bedroom on one end of the house, the other bedrooms at the opposite end. The reason I'm thinking of this is I can't get the story straight as to whether Mistie and the two children were sleeping in the same room, OR was Mistie and the little boy sleeping in the master bedroom and Haleigh in a different bedroom, perhaps at the far end of the home. Often the master bathroom is "inside," the master bedroom, meaning that if Mistie was sleeping in the master bedroom and got up to go the bathroom, using the one inside the master bedroom, then how would she see a back door open? Maybe the bathroom set up isn't as I've described, or maybe she went to check on Haleigh first.......I don't know, I'd like to know the physical layout of the home. I may not be making sense, but it seems important to me.

I think the dad seems very desperate about his little girl. I think that's where the "take my blood," statement comes from. He comes off as someone willing to do anything to get his child back. I don't agree with the age difference between him and Mistie, but it seems as though he was working to support his children, which many parents fall short on (ala Casey Anthony) so I give him kudos for that. jmo

[STLcardfan]

There are so many things wrong with this story. First of all, the father's girlfriend is 17?? Is that legal in Florida or something? Next, it mentioned they live in a mobile home and all sleep in the same room. The girlfriend, father, and 2 children. Correct? I thought I read 2 children. But anyways, the girlfriend gets home to go to the bathroom and her boyfriend comes home. Don't mobile homes have 1 door? Sure, windows, but not big enough for someone to get through, especially without anyone hearing them! And if she was taken, or walked out of the front door, she would've had to pass her father and his girlfriend.

In my opinion, I think the girlfriend did something. At 17 years old, she is still very irresponsible and I think she took that little girl somewhere, or did something to her so she wouldn't have to put up with it anymore. At 17, I highly doubt she wanted to be "mommy."

Dating for 4-6 months and fully trusting your children with someone was his mistake. When I have children, they won't be left with anyone except people like family, or friends, who I know I can trust because I've known them for awhile. 4-6 months?!

Mobil homes are required to have 2 doors, doulbe wides have 3. The windows are they same as in houses. I don't really see anything wrong with her sleeping in the same room when there is no man around at night. there is a lot of stereo typing here. sure they are uneducated but the fact they live in a mobil home makes they more apt to commit a crime is really reaching. You live where you can afford at least they were not homeless. I too have a lot of questions about this girl but one is NOT wheather she is to young to pee at night.
JMO:no:

[STLcardfan]

I could care less about these folks' verbal skills, my problem is with the lack of common sense exhibited. As for Mistie being misunderstood, you might want to go back and read her statements or watch the videos, she has contradicted herself. You can't put that off on NG or the rest of the media. And you can't blame the media for the fact that she waited almost thirty minutes before calling LE and didn't even know Haleigh's DOB. Also, Ronald has contricted LE's statement about a break-in.

Post #136 has a link to Florida law with regard to statutory rape, and I have quoted what is pertinent.

Oh, and while you're watching the videos, watch for the non-verbal clues for lying.

according to LE family services were involved with the family if they had a problem with the age difference I am sure it would have been addressed.:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

according to LE family services were involved with the family if they had a problem with the age difference I am sure it would have been addressed.:shrug:

Maybe LE or family services will be at some point. It's illegal according to the information that I found. Mistie's parents don't seem to give a rat's arse about the statutory rape. Maybe Ronald and Mistie are celibate. :shrug:

I can guarandamntee you, if I was the mother of these children, I would be doing my best to put a stop to a crime being committed 24/7 in the house where my minor children live. And I still wonder who buys cigarettes for the girl.

Do you have details on the family services involvement or a link? Guess I missed that.

[wind149]

My gut tells me that this child is dead and I don't want to be the voice of gloom and doom but early on we all knew Caylee was dead and so did LE and searches were conducted by many people for weeks until she was finally found. If a SO has this child, he is hiding her like Couey did, taking her out of the closet like he did to Jessie, raping her for three days or so and then he knew he could not send her home, so he convinces the child she is going home and he puts her in the bag and buries her alive only to suffocate to death and I hope when that POS gets to meet Satan, he will burn for eternity, he should scream in agony forever, putting a needle in that scumbag's arm is a travesty of justice, I would have rather let Mark kill the scumbag in the most heinous way, he and about 30 bros get to kill the POS and I said I would have bought the beer, the pig and the mops!!!

Also Couey and his kin were about the worst white trash ever seen, in that family it was hunky for Uncle Johnny to hop on all the females, that skank one toothed piece of dog crap sister even let him hop her daughter and the daughter? That crack ho got her kids taken away, Thank God and I hope to Christ the state has refused to let her have more. Now this family here is pretty backwoods, the whole lot of them can't put two sentences together without bad grammar i.e. "we was" typical of people that are not educated and I should not be so picky, but my godchildren, I know exactly who is in their lives and it appears that Mommy, Grandma, Grandpa don't know diddly about girlfriend and I know all of Ian's friends and their parents!! And I certainly would not let some backwoods 17 year old girl near my kids!!! Who knows?

Maybe she knows sex offenders, maybe one of her kin is one and has been to the trailer, maybe she let him in previous and he scoped out the place, trailers are not huge and that is what made me so pissed off when Couey's fugly sister claimed she did not hear a thing and having lived in a trailer, you can hear a mouse fart in one of them, His room was right off the kitchen and she heard nothing when he was raping that poor child?? MY ASS!! She KNEW that child was in his room and did not care WTF!!! She even said she tried to protect that slimebag as he was kin and she also knew he hopped on her kid and other female children and did nothing there either, pure D white trash scumbag!!! I remember I was on another board and one woman who lived in FL found out where trash sister moved and proceeded to tell every neighbor in her hood who she was and the whole hood was in an uproar and she ended up moving again and I hope she never has a moment of peace, she should have be on DR too for not telling the cops that day that Jessie was in the closet, she could have saved her life and instead she enabled that scumbag to continue to rape and then murder her and that DA is a moron for giving her a pass!!!

And I told him as much in an e-mail I sent!! If LE had done their job and the system had done theirs, Couey should have been locked up for good the FIRST TIME he molested a kid, instead he gets probation, he served more time for breaking and entering than he did molesting little girls and with this case, I have a bad feeling, I wish I didn't but my gut is usually not wrong, working in LE taught me to hope for the best but expect the worst especially when it is a child. Adults by law can go missing, little kids are a different story. When we got a report of a missing child, I would first put them directly in NCIC, and all the guys would roll on it, we set up a command center and got all info out to all departments and start searching. We had a kid who spent the night in a swamp after being the only survivor of a plane crash where his whole family was killed but him, we knew the plane had gone down in our area, but it is mountainous and very dense woodland and rescue planes started looking as well as on the ground with ATV's and dogs, there was heavy snow on the ground and later it was revealed that the plane went down because the pilot did not de-ice the plane well before he took off, he was flying into ice and then snow and a small plane will come down like a rock when the drag becomes too much it like smacks it down.

The little boy was 3 and he was found in waist deep water and had been there about 9 hours and initially the father did survive the impact, but died in the bus after he was extracted from the plane. Three other boys ages 7, 9, and 15 died along with the Mom and I knew these people, it made it hard for all of us. The Dad owned a popular car dealership and I had bought cars from him, but my point is we left no stone unturned and the police are doing their best to find Haleigh and I am curious as to why her scent ends at the river, maybe she got out herself and drowned? No, I don't think so, if she did, she would be close to shore, so many questions, so little time.

[lorettalockhorn]

The talking head on NG tonight said that a footprint was found by the dog team; I wonder if he meant that literally. Was Haleigh barefoot when the print was made? I also wonder if the perp walked her to the water. Maybe not strong enough to carry her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Dr. Perper ( :tongue: ) told Mike Brooks tonight that the cinder block could have DNA on it. If so, that would go a long way to ruling a perpetrator out(or in). The family has pledged to be cooperative and the RSOs' DNA should be on file.

[Native Alien]

The talking head on NG tonight said that a footprint was found by the dog team; I wonder if he meant that literally. Was Haleigh barefoot when the print was made? I also wonder if the perp walked her to the water. Maybe not strong enough to carry her.

The way I took it that was a barefoot print that was found and they said that the first dog on the scene, which one of the first responder units was a K9 unit tracked from the back door down a foot path and back to the back door.

Police Report Link

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[Native Alien]

I noticed on the police report that it states that the Haleigh has Turner's Syndrome and this might explain her small size.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html

Now for some thoughts that I have.

The biological mother, grandmother, fiance and others have done the paperwork to have the polygraphs done, but haven't been given a polygraph. They all consented, just waiting for it to be done.

The biological mother only has visitation rights, every other weekend from Friday at 6:00 p.m. until Sunday at 6:00 p.m. The maternal grandmother stated that the father wouldn't let them talk to the kids on the phone most of the time when they called. So her only contact was when she got them for her visitation.

It is noteworthy at this time to mention that the biological father's mother is a dispatcher for a local sheriff's department. That too, is in the police report.

I believe that they got something from the block back. The block, which is a concrete or cinder block would be more than able to hold all kinds of evidence called touch evidence. By the very nature of the surface of the block it likely had skin cells on it.

They are likely just getting the test results back today given all the stuff that they are trying to process.

I, too, have lived in a trailer or mobile home and I have to agree with Wind. You hear every little noise that is made in one. Especially someone walking around in one. If the back door that they are referring to as being left open is close to the master bedroom, and most of these are laid out the same way as they have been for years, then the little girl would have been in a bedroom at the other end of the trailer. So the perp would have entered and exited just feet from the bed where Misti was sleeping.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much for the links! I wondered about Turner's syndrome; in one of the photos, Haleigh's elbows appear to be turned out, which is a symptom I've read.

I had no idea that Crystal Sheffield is so young. If she is the parent listed (with the name redacted) she was fourteen when Haleigh was born and thirteen when she got pregnant. Haleigh is listed as a male, maybe Crystal's DOB is a typo too.

Waiting for the rest to download.

[old_soul]

I believe it was Tuesday that they reported.... once before Haleigh had walked away by herself to the water, went in and had to be recusitated. This was not at the place where her dad is living now, and I believe at the time the parents were together.

As was said, the dogs followed the scent out That back door to a path, which led to railroad tracks. A big question is: were the locks changed, they hadn't been living there long. The AC guy was cleared.... but the footprint is really questionable, because she was probably barefoot, and didn't have much clothes on. I am thinking 10 to 1 she was carried, but, her scent would be there any way because she lives there!

LE is saying it's an abduction. It's been 4 days already, and they always say the first 48 hours are the most important. I'm afraid they are not going to find her, and if they do, it won't be good. Still wondering if it's someone that had been at that house partying with them...........

It's good to see how LE is keeping much close to their vests, and seemed to have learned from Jessica's abduction, and they are leaving no stone unturned. I still have a bad feeling about little Haleigh though. 44 sexual deviants, no matter what kind, plus the ones we don't know about, is waaaaaaaaaaay too many. All these kids in Florida.....whew, scarey stuff.

[lighthousedazy]

I also agree with Wind's post. I think these POS sex offenders should be locked up forever. I have lived in a mobile home too and unless you are deaf you hear every movement in one. On NG tonight it was suggested to check with the former tenants and landlord too because the locks had probably not been changed.

As for the dogs trailing Haleigh to the river, the perp could have had a boat there if she was kidnapped. jmo Check every home that has a boat also, even if it is only a broken down little jon boat.

OS, good thoughts too. Sorry I posted before reading your post. I do agree with Mike Brooks and think it had to be someone familiar with the layout of the house.

[Native Alien]

Thanks so much for the links! I wondered about Turner's syndrome; in one of the photos, Haleigh's elbows appear to be turned out, which is a symptom I've read.

I had no idea that Crystal Sheffield is so young. If she is the parent listed (with the name redacted) she was fourteen when Haleigh was born and thirteen when she got pregnant. Haleigh is listed as a male, maybe Crystal's DOB is a typo too.

Waiting for the rest to download.

I think that I remember reading somewhere that the biological mom is 22 if that is any help. I think that most of that police report is information that they got from the bio dad and the girlfriend.

[STLcardfan]

Thanks so much for the links! I wondered about Turner's syndrome; in one of the photos, Haleigh's elbows appear to be turned out, which is a symptom I've read.

I had no idea that Crystal Sheffield is so young. If she is the parent listed (with the name redacted) she was fourteen when Haleigh was born and thirteen when she got pregnant. Haleigh is listed as a male, maybe Crystal's DOB is a typo too.

Waiting for the rest to download.

yes I seen that and found that distubing. And the GF just turned 17 in December, what is up with this guy and young girls. link to police report:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[deacon]

I noticed on the police report that it states that the Haleigh has Turner's Syndrome and this might explain her small size.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html

Now for some thoughts that I have.

The biological mother, grandmother, fiance and others have done the paperwork to have the polygraphs done, but haven't been given a polygraph. They all consented, just waiting for it to be done.

The biological mother only has visitation rights, every other weekend from Friday at 6:00 p.m. until Sunday at 6:00 p.m. The maternal grandmother stated that the father wouldn't let them talk to the kids on the phone most of the time when they called. So her only contact was when she got them for her visitation.

It is noteworthy at this time to mention that the biological father's mother is a dispatcher for a local sheriff's department. That too, is in the police report.

I believe that they got something from the block back. The block, which is a concrete or cinder block would be more than able to hold all kinds of evidence called touch evidence. By the very nature of the surface of the block it likely had skin cells on it.
They are likely just getting the test results back today given all the stuff that they are trying to process.

I, too, have lived in a trailer or mobile home and I have to agree with Wind. You hear every little noise that is made in one. Especially someone walking around in one. If the back door that they are referring to as being left open is close to the master bedroom, and most of these are laid out the same way as they have been for years, then the little girl would have been in a bedroom at the other end of the trailer. So the perp would have entered and exited just feet from the bed where Misti was sleeping.


Being a concrete block, most certainly it would have skin cells in the tiny voids. Very rough surface. Like sand paper but coarser. Skin cells, DNA. That will pretty much tell the story of the concrete block. Wondering who else handled those blocks. There may be several DNA matches. I hope not.

[lorettalockhorn]

Being a concrete block, most certainly it would have skin cells in the tiny voids. Very rough surface. Like sand paper but coarser. Skin cells, DNA. That will pretty much tell the story of the concrete block. Wondering who else handled those blocks. There may be several DNA matches. I hope not.

Deacon, in one interview, Ronald said that he didn't know what's in the back yard, but one of the reports stated that there is a pile of blocks in the back yard about fifty feet from the house. That report or another one said that the yard is wooded, which would mean that if the perp brought the block up to the house, he would have to know that the blocks were there ahead of time, if they were in the trees.

Did y'all notice that page five of five is not on the file? Anything important there? Or sensitive?

[Native Alien]

Being a concrete block, most certainly it would have skin cells in the tiny voids. Very rough surface. Like sand paper but coarser. Skin cells, DNA. That will pretty much tell the story of the concrete block. Wondering who else handled those blocks. There may be several DNA matches. I hope not.

Maybe someone should ask gator when they last had any rain of any amount. The block is likely from the pile that is some 50 feet from the trailer and a good rain would have washed it at least mostly clean.

[lorettalockhorn]

yes I seen that and found that distubing. And the GF just turned 17 in December, what is up with this guy and young girls. link to police report:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

GF turned sixteen in December and they've been together for a few months, which means that they hooked up when she was sixteen. And they're already living together.

I'm on the record: I don't like this guy.

[deacon]

yes I seen that and found that distubing. And the GF just turned 17 in December, what is up with this guy and young girls. link to police report:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Isn't he like 25? Let's see, I was 25 when I got married and my wife was 18.
That is 7-8 years difference in our ages. Now, she was a great deal more mentally mature than either of those two but my point is, the age difference isn't that large. It isn't that uncommon. Hey, last December 16 was 31 years. Our marrige seem to be holding up quite nicely, if you ask me.

I don't think the issue of these two in "age" as much as it is maturity. They both seem to be about 14 mentally. That said, it doesn't mean they did anything to hurt this little girl but it may explain some of what I see as childish behavior. He says he locked the door. Do you really think he would admit it if he didn't? That would go over real well in a custody case. I really think that at least one of the doors to that home was left open and the block could have been used to make sure the door didn't make any noise when it was shut. As always, JMO

[deacon]

Maybe someone should ask gator when they last had any rain of any amount. The block is likely from the pile that is some 50 feet from the trailer and a good rain would have washed it at least mostly clean.

Then that would be a good thing. No "extra" profiles to eliminate.

[lorettalockhorn]

NA, thanks for the link to the Turner Syndrome site, noticed that kidney problems are one effect of TS; that could explain the bedwetting incident. I entered Haleigh's height and weight into a pediatric body mass indicator calculator and the result was 21.2, which is overweight for a female child.

[lighthousedazy]

GF turned sixteen in December and they've been together for a few months, which means that they hooked up when she was sixteen. And they're already living together.

I'm on the record: I don't like this guy.
In Georgia you are a juvenile legally until your 17th birthday. Don't know about Florida.

[lorettalockhorn]

Isn't he like 25? Let's see, I was 25 when I got married and my wife was 18.
That is 7-8 years difference in our ages. Now, she was a great deal more mentally mature than either of those two but my point is, the age difference isn't that large. It isn't that uncommon. Hey, last December 16 was 31 years. Our marrige seem to be holding up quite nicely, if you ask me.

I don't think the issue of these two in "age" as much as it is maturity. They both seem to be about 14 mentally. That said, it doesn't mean they did anything to hurt this little girl but it may explain some of what I see as childish behavior. He says he locked the door. Do you really think he would admit it if he didn't? That would go over real well in a custody case. I really think that at least one of the doors to that home was left open and the block could have been used to make sure the door didn't make any noise when it was shut. As always, JMO

If your current mien is any indication, you were probably mature enough when you were 25 that you weren't interested in immature girls. And eighteen is a legal adult.

This guy impregnated a thirteen year old and is has been seeing/dating/together with his current GF since she was sixteen. Crystal wasn't even eighteen when Junior was born, but maybe by then the two were married and it wasn't legally rape.

[lorettalockhorn]

In Georgia you are a juvenile legally until your 17th birthday. Don't know about Florida.

Age of majority in Florida is eighteen, I think it's in another link that I posted when I was carping about the cigarettes.

[lorettalockhorn]

(1) The disability of nonage is hereby removed for all persons in this state who are 18 years of age or older, and they shall enjoy and suffer the rights, privileges, and obligations of all persons 21 years of age or older except as otherwise excluded by the State Constitution immediately preceding the effective date of this section and except as otherwise provided in the Beverage Law.


http://lawdigest.uslegal.com/minors/age-of-majority/6322/

Married minors are automatically emancipated including after divorce.

[STLcardfan]

GF turned sixteen in December and they've been together for a few months, which means that they hooked up when she was sixteen. And they're already living together.

I'm on the record: I don't like this guy.


I second that. Maybe it’s acceptable in their circle of family and friends it is in the Appalachia hills LOL. My ex was only 17 and I 18 when we married. We were too young and much more mature and better educated then these 2. We were able to stay married, go back to school and get degrees, buy a house cars etc for 11 years. As you grow up you grow in different directions. We share 3 Grandchildren now and are still friends and celebrate occasions together. But this guy reeks of bordering on a child molesting with more than 1 girl under age and doing the deed. JMO

[Nawny]

I have a feeling the girlfriend had company that night. She fell asleep and her friend took the kid. There were no signs of forced entry.

IMO

[STLcardfan]

one more thing. he refered to misty as his dumb ***** girfreind in the police report. well mr smarty pants how smart are you leaving your kids with a dumb *****. pot meet kettle:flamemad:

he clearly has no respect for women.

[STLcardfan]

I have a feeling the girlfriend had company that night. She fell asleep and her friend took the kid. There were no signs of forced entry.

IMO

I agree probally smoked a fat doobie and fell out and who ever was there took the girl.

[lorettalockhorn]

one more thing. he refered to misty as his dumb ***** girfreind in the police report. well mr smarty pants how smart are you leaving your kids with a dumb *****. pot meet kettle:flamemad:

he clearly has no respect for women.

Yeah, that honked me off too. He's the sumb!tch who hired her. Or whatever you want to call it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe someone should ask gator when they last had any rain of any amount. The block is likely from the pile that is some 50 feet from the trailer and a good rain would have washed it at least mostly clean.

Here's a weather history chart thingie, I set the weather station for the sheriff's office, then discovered I don't have the attention span to read it. LOL

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KFLPALAT3&graphspan=day&month=2&day=1&year=2009

[lighthousedazy]

Age of majority in Florida is eighteen, I think it's in another link that I posted when I was carping about the cigarettes.Yes, I remember the cigarette thing too. In GA. - juvenile til 17, Can't buy cigarettes til 18, vote 18, drive 16, drink 21, fight for your country 18. I agree with you, seems like he is bordering on pedophilia also. jmo :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Part of the search using the dogs was redacted. Could evidence have been found that is being held back?

[lorettalockhorn]

Police Grill 44 Sex Offenders in Missing Florida Girl Case, Find 'Items of Interest' During Search

Investigators found "items of interest" in the dense woods surrounding the home of a missing Florida girl in a "productive day" of searching even as hundreds of volunteers swarmed the area Friday but found no sign of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

"I can say we did discover some items of interest. I can't go into detail as to what those items were or are," said Major Steve Rose of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, who would not comment how the items were being handled for fear of revealing what they are...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492425,00.html

[Lodi]

My #1 suspect is the father. There was no sign of a break in. He had the key to the door. He was way too angry and threatening during the 911 call. His motive for getting rid of Haleigh could be to prevent social services and his wife from taking her. He stands out as the only monster in the neighborhood.
imo

[deacon]

Yeah, that honked me off too. He's the sumb!tch who hired her. Or whatever you want to call it.

I have to agree with you on that one. No matter the situation, that was not called for.

[deacon]

Part of the search using the dogs was redacted. Could evidence have been found that is being held back?

Sure, I think it they found something that was evidence and it isn't enough to make an arrest or even bring someone in they would not put it out there right now.

In fact, there would be no need to release evidence, they haven't charged anyone and it may not be anything they want out in the public. It might trigger someone that they are on to them and they will run

[lighthousedazy]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

A growing sense of gloom and hopelessness for the well-being of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings has fallen over the little girl’s south Putnam neighborhood as the search for her continues into its fifth day.

More than 200 people on horseback, all-terrain vehicles and foot resumed their search about 9 a.m. this morning, with no signs from police or others that anything new has developed. The search for the 5-year-old girl has gone on through periods of rain and dark skies, reflecting the mood of those hoping to still find Haleigh alive.

Family members of the missing kindergartner said they are growing worried with each passing hour. The families of the mother, Crystal Sheffield, and father, Ronald Cummings, remain under and around tents set up down the road from each other.

“I just feel like if we don’t find her today, where do we go from here?” said a tearful Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield. “They been searching so far out. They’re not checking cars anymore. There are no helicopters up.”

Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, said she continues to believe someone abducted her granddaughter. Neves wept as she spoke about struggling with the idea that her granddaughter may be suffering at the hands of a stranger.

"It's harder every minute," said Neves, 49. "I just trust in God to bring out baby home alive.

Volunteers showing up for the search are counting the hours and minutes that the girl has been missing and have grown worried, said Carolyn Todd, who is with the Texas-based search group known as Equusearch.

“They don’t like the feel of this,” Todd said. “They don’t think we’re going to find a well child.”

Haleigh was last seen asleep in her blue mobile home Monday night by Misty Croslin, the girlfriend of her father, Ronald Cummings. Investigators have said no one has been ruled out as a suspect. They have repeatedly interviewed family members and have also talked with 44 sexual predators who live in or near the area.

Police have received more than 350 leads. Authorities called the Friday's search "very productive" and said some type of evidence was recovered, but they have not elaborated on what was found.

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office plans to give a news briefing at 4 p.m.

[Kellapple]

I agree there has been a lack of common sense. I'm not saying that it has all been misunderstood, I just think that some of the confusion could be due to communication issues. The younger brother for example has been reported as being 2, 3 and 4 years old. Not blaming the media, just know that sometimes things get confused and misreported in the rush to get the story out.

I've watched the videos and read all the articles. I've seen her contradict herself. I'm just hoping and thinking IMO that she is just young and scared. I noticed many of the non-verbal clues also.

I did see your post on the statutory rape law in FL. It would seem that Ronald is guilty of that.

I totally agree with you. We have to be careful when reading NOT to take everything as fact. I read an article this morning that reported Misty got up to get a drink of water.

As far as the age thing, that would be the least to worry about (imo). I think in small rural towns that this is common. Both sets of parents are not opposed to the relationship and I don't think that it would be worth pursuing. There's a little girls life at stake here and that is where LE is concentrating. imo

Does anyone know if a candle has been lit for Haleigh? I would love to light one. I think it would be better to light one where everyone else has lit one to keep our energy and prayers together.

[Kellapple]

Sure, I think it they found something that was evidence and it isn't enough to make an arrest or even bring someone in they would not put it out there right now.

In fact, there would be no need to release evidence, they haven't charged anyone and it may not be anything they want out in the public. It might trigger someone that they are on to them and they will run

Exactly. I believe any evidence would not be released to the public/media until Discovery. And there is no Discovery until there is an arrest and a case. LE might disclose information if they thought it would help find a "perp" like a sketch or description of a car. imo

[lorettalockhorn]

I totally agree with you. We have to be careful when reading NOT to take everything as fact. I read an article this morning that reported Misty got up to get a drink of water.

As far as the age thing, that would be the least to worry about (imo). I think in small rural towns that this is common. Both sets of parents are not opposed to the relationship and I don't think that it would be worth pursuing. There's a little girls life at stake here and that is where LE is concentrating. imo

Does anyone know if a candle has been lit for Haleigh? I would love to light one. I think it would be better to light one where everyone else has lit one to keep our energy and prayers together.

Absolutely the focus should be on Haleigh's safety and well-being, but I have a nagging feeling that the lifestyle that this child is exposed to may be in part responsible for whatever has happened to her.

I live in an area in Arkansas where there are many small towns, and any adults' choice of minor wives and girlfriends would not only be considered scandalous, but would be cause for alarm and intervention by the courts.

However, the family must be keenly aware that they are under intense scrutiny and they don't seem shy about getting Haleigh's story out to the world. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign. At any rate, Ronald's proclivity to statutory rape needs to be addressed at some point.

[deacon]

Absolutely the focus should be on Haleigh's safety and well-being, but I have a nagging feeling that the lifestyle that this child is exposed to may be in part responsible for whatever has happened to her.
I live in an area in Arkansas where there are many small towns, and any adults' choice of minor wives and girlfriends would not only be considered scandalous, but would be cause for alarm and intervention by the courts.

However, the family must be keenly aware that they are under intense scrutiny and they don't seem shy about getting Haleigh's story out to the world. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign. At any rate, Ronald's proclivity to statutory rape needs to be addressed at some point.


I totally agree on those two points. On the first one, that atmophere has to change. Sadly enough, I really doubt that it will even if she is found unhurt. On the second one, he needs to grow up in numerous ways. Oh, I am going out on a limb here please don't saw it off behind me, some guys who, how do I say this nicely, are "not so smart" seem to want to be with females who are "not as smart" as they are. Know what I mean? They want to be the center of attention and fear that if their "partner" is smarter or more mature (not age) than they are their role in the relationship is somewhat lessened. I think he may be one of those. Believe me, I would not have been happy being married to a lady who was as "dumb as a box of rocks." But, some are. That is what I read into the statement of the dumba-- girlfriend statement.

[Kellapple]

Absolutely the focus should be on Haleigh's safety and well-being, but I have a nagging feeling that the lifestyle that this child is exposed to may be in part responsible for whatever has happened to her.

I live in an area in Arkansas where there are many small towns, and any adults' choice of minor wives and girlfriends would not only be considered scandalous, but would be cause for alarm and intervention by the courts.

However, the family must be keenly aware that they are under intense scrutiny and they don't seem shy about getting Haleigh's story out to the world. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign. At any rate, Ronald's proclivity to statutory rape needs to be addressed at some point.

Absolutely it should be addressed. Especially now that it is out in the open. But, it doesn't seem to be on their minds at all, looking at the videos, where he puts his arm around Misty. She also smokes and maybe that should be addressed, she couldn't buy cigarettes in Florida without being 18. And I'll stick my neck out here and say I'm sure she has imbibed of alcohol. All that is besides the point because none of it would matter if Haleigh wasn't missing. No one would care about any of that if Haleigh wasn't missing. IMO. All I'm trying to say is that I don't think they should be judged by their circumstances or the way they were living before this.

[lorettalockhorn]

I totally agree on those two points. On the first one, that atmophere has to change. Sadly enough, I really doubt that it will even if she is found unhurt. On the second one, he needs to grow up in numerous ways. Oh, I am going out on a limb here please don't saw it off behind me, some guys who, how do I say this nicely, are "not so smart" seem to want to be with females who are "not as smart" as they are. Know what I mean? They want to be the center of attention and fear that if their "partner" is smarter or more mature (not age) than they are their role in the relationship is somewhat lessened. I think he may be one of those. Believe me, I would not have been happy being married to a lady who was as "dumb as a box of rocks." But, some are. That is what I read into the statement of the dumba-- girlfriend statement.

Agree. It's likely a control issue. He may choose young partners in order to wield his age and experience as a superior "better half". He doesn't strike me as a man particularly in control of himself; he wasn't able to help the officers on scene due to his emotional state. 25 should be old enough to get a grip, expecially when his demand that the officers show up were met. :confused:

I hope the kind of language and rage he has displayed isn't something that Haleigh and Junior are continually exposed to.

[Woostock]

"I hope the kind of language and rage he has displayed isn't something that Haleigh and Junior are continually exposed to."Loretta I agree with you...
I don't think he will ever get the father of the year award....usually people who use that kind of language and displayed rage do it automatically. I don't get a good feeling at all. I thought maybe the girlfriend had company while he was at work????Here we go again....
_

[deacon]

Agree. It's likely a control issue. He may choose young partners in order to wield his age and experience as a superior "better half". He doesn't strike me as a man particularly in control of himself; he wasn't able to help the officers on scene due to his emotional state. 25 should be old enough to get a grip, expecially when his demand that the officers show up were met. :confused:

I hope the kind of language and rage he has displayed isn't something that Haleigh and Junior are continually exposed to.

On the first one, from all indicators, no. He hasn't matured enough to control his emotions until the proper time to be emotional. This is what leads to "bar fights" and such. Not able to control your emotions. Then they blame the other person for "making them mad." No one makes you mad, you allow yourself to be mad. That happens in relationships too. I decided a looooong time ago(I had a terrible temper when I was 5-6 years old) that no one was going to control my emotions. They belong to me and no one is going to be in control of that part of me.

On second one, the inability to control one's emotions in no way helps this problem either. His language is terrible. Oh, well, once one decides to live a different lifestyle in actions, words and deeds, then these things will go away. We can not force someone to change, that change has to come from inside. The heart, the place in your being where you make your decisions. That has to change. It can not be forced.

Smoking? The laws are on the books but are seldom enforced. It is like the drinking age. On the books but seldom enforced. That is why we have so many deaths on our highways due to impaired driving. I would venture to say, if the truth were known, as many or more people are killed (murdered) by drunk drivers in this country than there are with guns of any kind. JMO no facts to back it up.

[POE-33]

This is a very disturbing case.
There are a lot of curious aspects to it.

So far, there are a lot more questions than answers.
:confused:

[Kellapple]

On the first one, from all indicators, no. He hasn't matured enough to control his emotions until the proper time to be emotional. This is what leads to "bar fights" and such. Not able to control your emotions. Then they blame the other person for "making them mad." No one makes you mad, you allow yourself to be mad. That happens in relationships too. I decided a looooong time ago(I had a terrible temper when I was 5-6 years old) that no one was going to control my emotions. They belong to me and no one is going to be in control of that part of me.

On second one, the inability to control one's emotions in no way helps this problem either. His language is terrible. Oh, well, once one decides to live a different lifestyle in actions, words and deeds, then these things will go away. We can not force someone to change, that change has to come from inside. The heart, the place in your being where you make your decisions. That has to change. It can not be forced.

Smoking? The laws are on the books but are seldom enforced. It is like the drinking age. On the books but seldom enforced. That is why we have so many deaths on our highways due to impaired driving. I would venture to say, if the truth were known, as many or more people are killed (murdered) by drunk drivers in this country than there are with guns of any kind. JMO no facts to back it up.

Very good post. I am the one who brought up the smoking just to make a point, as you have (about drinking & driving something of which I am a strong believer in STOPPING), about how we can go on and on about the rights and wrongs of the situation. It doesn't change the fact that a little girl who was loved by people from "different walks of life" is missing. She should have been at school yesterday trading Valentines.

My heart is breaking at the thought of what she might be going through as we all sit here and type about her mom, dad, girlfriend, etc. It's just heartbreaking

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings Search 02/14/09 Update
Posted on 14. Feb, 2009 by B Tarr in Active Cases, Featured Articles, Missing Persons

02/14/09 - 1:45pm - Over 200 volunteers have shown up this morning to search for Haleigh. In addition, people have come from all over with donations of food and drink for our volunteers, and we cannot begin to express our gratitude. Searchers are working extremely hard to find Haleigh, and conditions are rough. The terrain is treacherous in places, and sometimes, it is slow moving. However, we are making good progress and we are all feeling as if we are making a difference.

02/14/09 Volunteers began showing up this morning before 7:00am. Foot searchers and horseback searchers are arriving in the droves, as I type this message. We are so grateful for all of the support we are receiving from the community and law enforcement.

It is raining here in Satsuma, and is expected to rain for a while. However, our volunteers are determined and ready to deploy. We have several areas mapped out for our teams and expect to begin deploying early this morning. Please keep an eye on this site for updates as we go through the day.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-021409-update/

[lorettalockhorn]

we need to pray or this little one too.

Arceneaux, Dominick - Camden, AR - 02/13/09 - TES Deployed
Posted on 13. Feb, 2009 by B Tarr in Active Cases, Featured Articles, Missing Persons

02/13/09 - Dominick Arceneaux age 3, has been missing from his home near Camden, Ark, since Tuesday, February 09, 2009. The Ouachita County Sheriff’s Officer has requested activation of a Morgan Nick Amber Alert for three-year-old Dominick Wesley Arceneaux. The child’s mother believes someone abducted him. According to Amber Arceneaux, around 2:00 p.m. Tuesday, Dominick walked outside their mobile home and she hasn’t seen him since. Authorities have been searching a lake located behind the Arceneaux home near Chidester. Dominick has brown hair, brown eyes and was last seen wearing blue jean shorts with red stitching on the pockets. If you have any information, contact the Ouachita County Sheriff’s Office at 870-837-2200.

To view and print a Missing Person poster, click here.

Texas EquuSearch is deploying a team from Texas and Florida to assist in the search, at the request of law enforcement.

Please keep Dominick and his family in your prayers.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/arceneaux-dominick-camden-ar-021309/

[lorettalockhorn]

Hunt for missing boy, 3, intensifies, but no leads

CHIDESTER — The search for a missing boy intensified Friday, with dozens of National Guardsmen scouring the woods near White Oak Lake, a police helicopter buzzing above and FBI agents questioning every sex offender in a 40-mile radius from where the 3-year-old vanished.

Dominick Arceneaux disappeared Tuesday afternoon from behind his family’s trailer that sits on the lake west of Chidester.

Not a scrap of evidence had surfaced to indicate whether he drowned, wandered off into the woods or if something more sinister happened, said Ouachita County Sheriff David Norwood.

“We’ll all be here until we come up with something,” he said Friday as more than 60Arkansas National Guard members began their canvass of the woods that line the north side of the lake.

The soldiers walked shoulder to shoulder through the rugged terrain, looking for any signs of the boy. Search dogs were sent in from Louisiana. And a sonar machine that can help find bodies under water was set to go out on the lake.

“We’re going to make sure nothing’s unturned,” the sheriff said.

The brown-haired toddler was playing barefoot in the unseasonably warm weather about 2 p.m. Tuesday. His mother, Amber Arceneaux, said she was inside for about five to seven minutes when she could no longer hear his voice.

She looked outside, and Dominick was gone.

The wheelbarrow was overturned.

She and her aunt, Sherry Mitchell, searched for Dominick for about 15 minutes, thencalled police.

The trailer is just yards from the lake’s edge. There are no fences.

Norwood said the family’s account of events was corroborated through the investigation, and that Arceneaux and family members have been ruled out as having any involvement in the boy’s disappearance.

There were witnesses in the area, including a fisherman, who recall the boy playing near the water and who saw the two women searching for him, Norwood said. And others confirmed the whereabouts of various relatives.

Divers spent much of the week looking for the boy in the lake, and Arkansas State Police investigators reviewed surveillance video from the few nearby businesses.

Dominick’s grandmother, Martha Cortez, who drove in from Louisiana earlier this week, said she is suspicious of the bar near the family’s trailer. The Wild Horse Saloon is owned by her sister and brother-in-law. The bar gave her a bad feeling.

“I just feel like - something right there - at that barroom,” Cortez said without finishing her thought.

Jack Mitchell, who owns the bar, said earlier this week that it was closed Monday and Tuesday.

Dominick’s father, Andre Arceneaux, rushed to Arkansas from his Army base in Georgia when he learned his son was missing. He said he didn’t know what to make of the situation and was getting varying information from different people.

“I can’t even think about it right now,” he said as a light drizzle dampened his camouflage, Army-issued cap. He is separated from his son’s mother and said he hadn’t seen Dominick since last summer.

John and Peggy Smith, who hunt and fish in the area on weekends, joined in the search Friday. They didn’t know the boy but had seen him playing in the yard just days before he disappeared.

An officer told them if the boy had drowned, his body would surely surface by Friday. So they put on their muck boots, grabbed a couple of hiking sticks and walked the shoreline, with their eyes trained on the water.

“Just trying to help in any way we can,” John Smith said.

Like so many other volunteers this week, the Smiths didn’t see anything useful.

From the beginning, Amber Arceneaux was skeptical her son would have gone near the water, saying he was deathly afraid.

“If for some reason they do pull him out, it’s because somebody threw him in there,” she said Tuesday evening.

Norwood, who vowed to continue the search until he could provide the family with answers, called the situation “heartbreaking.”

“It’s sad,” he said. “They want answers.”

Dominick is 3 feet tall and weighs 38 pounds. He has olive skin, dark hair and brown eyes. He was wearing a pair of bluejean shorts with red stitching on the pockets when his mother last saw him.

This article was published Saturday, February 14, 2009.
Arkansas, Pages 11, 20 on 02/14/2009

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/videos/2009/feb/13/3458/

(Don't know if you can link without a subscription.)

[Kellapple]

Great, We're in the middle of a drought in Florida and it decides to rain today. As if that area needed any more marsh/swamp to go through. The same happened in the Caylee search. Sometimes I get so frustrated

[lorettalockhorn]

Very good post. I am the one who brought up the smoking just to make a point, as you have (about drinking & driving something of which I am a strong believer in STOPPING), about how we can go on and on about the rights and wrongs of the situation. It doesn't change the fact that a little girl who was loved by people from "different walks of life" is missing. She should have been at school yesterday trading Valentines.

My heart is breaking at the thought of what she might be going through as we all sit here and type about her mom, dad, girlfriend, etc. It's just heartbreaking

The smoking and the father's lifestyle are indicative of what may have contributed to Haleigh's having gone missing. Just as the searchers look for Haleigh using different techniques, those of us who cannot physically search for her look for answers in different ways. And that has nothing to do with our hopes and prayers for her recovery.

I don't consider living the life of a scofflaw and the possible prediliction toward pedophilia by the father as merely "a different walk of life".

[deacon]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9164675]Hunt for missing boy, 3, intensifies, but no leads


The brown-haired toddler was playing barefoot in the unseasonably warm weather about 2 p.m. Tuesday. His mother, Amber Arceneaux, said she was inside for about five to seven minutes when she could no longer hear his voice.

(clipped for length)

5 to 7 minutes inside while a small child is in the yard by himself/herself is not good. A child that age demands constant sight while outside. Specially close to water. One can not depend on the "childs fear" of water to protect them or think "it won't happen here." Oh, this one stinks to high heaven.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9164675]Hunt for missing boy, 3, intensifies, but no leads


The brown-haired toddler was playing barefoot in the unseasonably warm weather about 2 p.m. Tuesday. His mother, Amber Arceneaux, said she was inside for about five to seven minutes when she could no longer hear his voice.

(clipped for length)

5 to 7 minutes inside while a small child is in the yard by himself/herself is not good. A child that age demands constant sight while outside. Specially close to water. One can not depend on the "childs fear" of water to protect them or think "it won't happen here." Oh, this one stinks to high heaven.

I hate it too. Not sure what the temp was about 100 miles due south of me, but it's only been 50s-60s tops here this week during the day, so I question that she allowed him to play barefoot in the mud with no jacket on, let alone unsupervised. You know, a three year old could hear a bird or see a bunny and be off to investigate like a shot. The mother and the aunt looked for Dominick several minutes before they called LE, so the little boy was gone twenty to thirty minutes before a full-on search began. Because the nearby lake has camping spaces, there could have been itinerants in the area, and I hope those folks have been looked at.

I wish to God that people would lo-jack their kids. Especially if they're too busy to actually watch them.

[deacon]

[QUOTE=deacon;9164679]

I hate it too. Not sure what the temp was about 100 miles due south of me, but it's only been 50s-60s tops here this week during the day, so I question that she allowed him to play barefoot in the mud with no jacket on, let alone unsupervised. You know, a three year old could hear a bird or see a bunny and be off to investigate like a shot. The mother and the aunt looked for Dominick several minutes before they called LE, so the little boy was gone twenty to thirty minutes before a full-on search began. Because the nearby lake has camping spaces, there could have been itinerants in the area, and I hope those folks have been looked at.

I wish to God that people would lo-jack their kids. Especially if they're too busy to actually watch them.

IMO, you should NEVER be so busy that you can not watch your kids. My wife would not let our son out of her sight when he played outside. We had an 90 lb German Shepard in the yard that loved that little boy to death and would watch him like a hawk. One did not mess with that boy when she was around. She would "go to your rump" if you did. Still, he was never out of his mother's sight when he was that small. Oh, and we did not have water around. That makes it even more important.

[wind149]

In today's sick world, no parent should leave their kids playing in the yard even if the parents are right in the house. Christopher Barrios who was raped and murdered by a whole family of scumbags in GA snapped him right out of his own yard with Grandma right inside the trailer, don't assume because it is your property that these sick MF's won't grab a kid, they will, look what Couey did. I live in a very rural area and alone most of the time, my landlord lived in the main house and now has decided to rent it out, I have mixed feelings about that in itself because I like the quiet and tranquility of living on this farm, but I still lock my door every night. I had not previous, till that horrible home invasion in CT where those scums broke into a house beat the father half to death and raped and murdered the daughters and the mother and they too thought they were safe in their hood, these days, no one is unless they pack heat and who really wants to do that? I spoke to a friend this a.m. and she seems to think girlfriend is more involved than she is willing to admit. Both of us saw her crying on camera, but just like Susan Smith no tears, it was like she was trying to scrunch up her face to give the appearance that she was crying and my theory now is, she did fall asleep and some yahoo low life friend of hers snapped the kid, it has to be somebody that knows the layout of the house, but how do we really know for sure the kid even went out the back door? As for age in MI, 17 is a legal age here, and 18 for cigs so she is of legal age to screw but not to smoke. And my friend agrees these people are kinda low-life, and she agrees with the language thing with Daddy, how much ya bet that is the norm for these hillbillies??? And what I found to be pretty low-life is how he rants on that he will kill who ever has his child? What is he gonna do if he finds out girlfriend had a hand in this??? And time is ticking away, I feel the child is dead by now because SO's know in the state of FL they will get the DP and whoever did this is not gonna hand the kid over, Couey, that scumbag went the selfish route, he knew he could not let Jessie go because she could finger him and because he is such a piece of dog crap, he murdered her to cover up the crime of the kidnap and rape and I really really hate that POS with all I am and I wish just once, a CO would kinda forget to lock him back on DR after a shower and let a few inmates rape and murder him, but it won't happen! I assume the news brief will be on the networks? I am dying to know what evidence they have recovered and if it points to anyone, maybe they will tell us at the brief.

[Justice Denied?]

we need to pray or this little one too.

Arceneaux, Dominick - Camden, AR - 02/13/09 - TES Deployed
Posted on 13. Feb, 2009 by B Tarr in Active Cases, Featured Articles, Missing Persons

02/13/09 - Dominick Arceneaux age 3, has been missing from his home near Camden, Ark, since Tuesday, February 09, 2009. The Ouachita County Sheriff’s Officer has requested activation of a Morgan Nick Amber Alert for three-year-old Dominick Wesley Arceneaux. The child’s mother believes someone abducted him. According to Amber Arceneaux, around 2:00 p.m. Tuesday, Dominick walked outside their mobile home and she hasn’t seen him since. Authorities have been searching a lake located behind the Arceneaux home near Chidester. Dominick has brown hair, brown eyes and was last seen wearing blue jean shorts with red stitching on the pockets. If you have any information, contact the Ouachita County Sheriff’s Office at 870-837-2200.

To view and print a Missing Person poster, click here.

Texas EquuSearch is deploying a team from Texas and Florida to assist in the search, at the request of law enforcement.

Please keep Dominick and his family in your prayers.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/arceneaux-dominick-camden-ar-021309/

My God, will it never end?

[lorettalockhorn]

Deputies say items found during search for Haleigh of "no significance"
Sense of gloom falls over family, community as hunt enters fifth day

SATSUMA - Items of interest found Friday during a search for Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings were of "no significance" and a search today has turned up nothing so far, a Sheriff's Office official said this afternoon.

The troubling news came as a growing sense of gloom and hopelessness for the well-being of Haleigh, 5, has fallen over the little girl’s south Putnam County neighborhood during the fifth day of the search.

Family, volunteers and town residents said they are worried Haleigh may be dead. Police said they are frustrated they have not found the 40-pound little girl, but remain optimistic they will do so.

More than 250 people on horseback, all-terrain vehicles and foot resumed their search of thick scrubland and woods about 9 a.m. Dive teams also continued searching in the St. Johns River about 300 yards from Haleigh's home.

The land search will resume tomorrow, but the water search will be suspended Sunday unless further information is developed, said Chief Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

Ryan said today's search didn't find anything suspicious. He wouldn't identify the items of interest found Friday, but said they turned out not to be useful. He said police welcome any discoveries made by the searchers.

"If it didn't grow there, we want to look at it," he said.

Today's search for the strawberry blonde-haired girl went through early periods of rain and dark skies, reflecting the mood of those hoping to still find Haleigh alive. Despite a partly sunny afternoon, the glum faces of family, friends and volunteers provided a continued sense of concern for Haleigh's safety.

Family members of the missing kindergartner said they have been growing worried with each passing hour. The families of the mother, Crystal Sheffield, and father, Ronald Cummings, remain under and around tents set up down the road from each other.

“I just feel like if we don’t find her today, where do we go from here?” said a tearful Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield. “They have been searching so far out. They’re not checking cars anymore. There are no helicopters up.”...

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

[lorettalockhorn]

Lonely little brother waiting for Haleigh
Deputies, volunteers search region; 'The world is a suspect,' sheriff says

SATSUMA - Ronald Cummings Jr. will turn 4 years old Sunday, a birthday his family isn't sure they'll remind him about.

Valentine's Day may not mean much to a tyke like him, but today's holiday arrived early Friday morning with someone from his sister's school dropping off candy and gifts from her classmates.

"We love you Haleigh," said a card all her kindergarten classmates signed.

But how do you explain to a little boy why his 5-year-old sister wasn't home to get the gifts? How do you tell him that police suspect someone abducted Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings while the siblings were supposed to be snug in bed?

"When he's here by himself, he's a little bit lonely," his paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Friday of the little boy their family calls "Junior."

"We just tell him that Haleigh's not here right now. We're not going to do doom and gloom."...

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/lonely_little_brother_waiting_for_haleigh

[SallyG]

I have been watching this case with interest since it first began and I hope and pray the child is found safe, though as time goes by I begin to realize that may not happen. The police seem to have ruled out the child unlocking the front door and wandering outside.

I have read everything that has been said on here, and I feel the need to say something. My former husband was from West Virginia, and his family was what would be termed "hillbillies". When I first met them, it was quite a culture shock for me. However, as I got to know them, I found that in spite of their lack of education, poor verbal skills, and backwoods appearance, they had hearts of gold. When neighbors needed help, they were the first ones the first ones there to extend their hand. They would give you the shirt off their back, and ask for nothing in return. They worked long and hard hours to feed and clothe their children, and their love for them was no different from the love any parent feels for their child.

While my life has taken me away from that family and my circumstances are quite different from what they are used to, I still remember them with fondness. They were, for the most part, good, honest people.

This family has suffered a tragedy of the magnitude that most of us cannot comprehend. To be honest, , I have been saddened by many,many of the comments that have been made about them. I hope none of you are ever in a similar situation and have your life, home, family, income, habits, appearance, speech, and education held up to scrutiny in the most minute detail, while you are going through the most harrowing event of your life.

For myself, I will reserve judgement until all the facts are known and the case is hopefully resolved.

[lorettalockhorn]

Friday's news conference Part 1:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1847329047/bclid1315822163/bctid12215187001

Part 2:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1847329047/bclid1315822163/bctid12199750001

(Apologies if this has been posted before.)

Didn't find today's presser.

[Nawny]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9164675]Hunt for missing boy, 3, intensifies, but no leads


The brown-haired toddler was playing barefoot in the unseasonably warm weather about 2 p.m. Tuesday. His mother, Amber Arceneaux, said she was inside for about five to seven minutes when she could no longer hear his voice.

(clipped for length)

5 to 7 minutes inside while a small child is in the yard by himself/herself is not good. A child that age demands constant sight while outside. Specially close to water. One can not depend on the "childs fear" of water to protect them or think "it won't happen here." Oh, this one stinks to high heaven.

A GREEEEEEEEEE!!!!

She's lying. He was out there for much longer and it wasn't the first time IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been watching this case with interest since it first began and I hope and pray the child is found safe, though as time goes by I begin to realize that may not happen. The police seem to have ruled out the child unlocking the front door and wandering outside.

I have read everything that has been said on here, and I feel the need to say something. My former husband was from West Virginia, and his family was what would be termed "hillbillies". When I first met them, it was quite a culture shock for me. However, as I got to know them, I found that in spite of their lack of education, poor verbal skills, and backwoods appearance, they had hearts of gold. When neighbors needed help, they were the first ones the first ones there to extend their hand. They would give you the shirt off their back, and ask for nothing in return. They worked long and hard hours to feed and clothe their children, and their love for them was no different from the love any parent feels for their child.

While my life has taken me away from that family and my circumstances are quite different from what they are used to, I still remember them with fondness. They were, for the most part, good, honest people.

This family has suffered a tragedy of the magnitude that most of us cannot comprehend. To be honest, , I have been saddened by many,many of the comments that have been made about them. I hope none of you are ever in a similar situation and have your life, home, family, income, habits, appearance, speech, and education held up to scrutiny in the most minute detail, while you are going through the most harrowing event of your life.

For myself, I will reserve judgement until all the facts are known and the case is hopefully resolved.

I think all of us have that sentiment when it comes to missing and murdered children.

I for one hope and pray not only for Haleigh to be returned safely, but that her (and Junior's) living circumstances will be reexamined.

[Nawny]

I have been watching this case with interest since it first began and I hope and pray the child is found safe, though as time goes by I begin to realize that may not happen. The police seem to have ruled out the child unlocking the front door and wandering outside.

I have read everything that has been said on here, and I feel the need to say something. My former husband was from West Virginia, and his family was what would be termed "hillbillies". When I first met them, it was quite a culture shock for me. However, as I got to know them, I found that in spite of their lack of education, poor verbal skills, and backwoods appearance, they had hearts of gold. When neighbors needed help, they were the first ones the first ones there to extend their hand. They would give you the shirt off their back, and ask for nothing in return. They worked long and hard hours to feed and clothe their children, and their love for them was no different from the love any parent feels for their child.

While my life has taken me away from that family and my circumstances are quite different from what they are used to, I still remember them with fondness. They were, for the most part, good, honest people.

This family has suffered a tragedy of the magnitude that most of us cannot comprehend. To be honest, , I have been saddened by many,many of the comments that have been made about them. I hope none of you are ever in a similar situation and have your life, home, family, income, habits, appearance, speech, and education held up to scrutiny in the most minute detail, while you are going through the most harrowing event of your life.

For myself, I will reserve judgement until all the facts are known and the case is hopefully resolved.

I understand your point Sally. THe fact is, the child went missing from her bed in the middle of the night. That happens too often to well educated northerners too, but this group seemed to be playing Russian roulette with children's lives. A 17 year old airhead and a 25 year old guy who thought leaving his kids in her care during the night was a good idea. It's my guess that the abductor was in the house being entertained before he left with the child. And it's my guess that she wasn't getting a glass of water or using the toilet.

My family isn't full of Harvard graduates either but the little ones in my family can't go from one room to another without being stalked by one of us. These are dangerous times for kids. They need to be watched.
Of course I reserved judgement until I hear the facts. There is a 5 year old little girl missing. Who ever took her didn't even wake the little boy or startle the 17 year old girlfriend. Those are facts.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry the little darlin wasn't protected better. :rose:

IMO

[RaVeN71806]

sorry I've been behind but I've been sick..I can't get rid of this cold...I've checked for any new for information on Haleigh and its all the same stuff...I just wish for her to be found it saddens me so much....all I can say is someone is lieing here...if the door was unlocked just say it was unlocked...there was no forced entry of any kind...I dont care what type of person they are...something is not right here alot of lieing going on here...and someone needs to get the stories right so can Haleigh be found...the more the lies and changeing of stories just makes the suspicions towards that person...so like I said if the door was unlocked say it was unlocked...

[lorettalockhorn]

sorry I've been behind but I've been sick..I can't get rid of this cold...I've checked for any new for information on Haleigh and its all the same stuff...I just wish for her to be found it saddens me so much....all I can say is someone is lieing here...if the door was unlocked just say it was unlocked...there was no forced entry of any kind...I dont care what type of person they are...something is not right here alot of lieing going on here...and someone needs to get the stories right so can Haleigh be found...the more the lies and changeing of stories just makes the suspicions towards that person...so like I said if the door was unlocked say it was unlocked...

Feel better soon, Raven! http://i15.tinypic.com/6kp4lr6.jpg

[RaVeN71806]

I understand your point Sally. THe fact is, the child went missing from her bed in the middle of the night. That happens too often to well educated northerners too, but this group seemed to be playing Russian roulette with children's lives. A 17 year old airhead and a 25 year old guy who thought leaving his kids in her care during the night was a good idea. It's my guess that the abductor was in the house being entertained before he left with the child. And it's my guess that she wasn't getting a glass of water or using the toilet.

My family isn't full of Harvard graduates either but the little ones in my family can't go from one room to another without being stalked by one of us. These are dangerous times for kids. They need to be watched.
Of course I reserved judgement until I hear the facts. There is a 5 year old little girl missing. Who ever took her didn't even wake the little boy or startle the 17 year old girlfriend. Those are facts.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry the little darlin wasn't protected better. :rose:

IMO

very well said Danager...I'm very protective of my child...shes 2yrs old and shes my life...I know every little thing that girl does...

[RaVeN71806]

Feel better soon, Raven! http://i15.tinypic.com/6kp4lr6.jpg

thank loretta...:rose:

[Gatordog]

The smoking and the father's lifestyle are indicative of what may have contributed to Haleigh's having gone missing. Just as the searchers look for Haleigh using different techniques, those of us who cannot physically search for her look for answers in different ways. And that has nothing to do with our hopes and prayers for her recovery.

I don't consider living the life of a scofflaw and the possible prediliction toward pedophilia by the father as merely "a different walk of life".

Unfortunately, that lifestyle is very common in Florida. I f you travel state road 50 just a few miles east of Orlando, you will be in Bithlo. This family would fit right in and no one would bat an eye.

gator

[Gatordog]

This little girl has already had a catastrophic life. She actally drowned a few years back. The father was loading the car, the mother came out and asked where Haleigh was and he didn't know even though he was supposed to be watching her. The mother ran down to the creek and Haleigh was floating face down. she was rescusitated through CPR. The file on this family is inches thick.

Gator

[wind149]

Sally, I guess I am guilty for referring to these people as hillbillies, but scholars they are not. Now we know that abducted children come from all walks of life, but at times, it is the lifestyle that the parents lead that puts their kids at risk for abuse of all kinds, they expose them to drugs and alcohol, domestic violence, seen it happen sadly, many times. Now these people are not living well, some trashy trailer park where I can only guess is one that does not do background checks on potential tenants and I can only guess Mommy lives about the same way, why do people like this get to breed? So I do sound harsh, not going to apologize either for my feelings and I am disgusted with this guy for allowing some dumber than a stump girl take over Mommy duties and while I am not accusing her outright (YET) for this child going missing, I am thinking some friend of hers could be a SO and saw an opportunity. A guy here, next town over about a month ago took a little girl out of her bedroom at 3 a.m. and brought her to his house about 30 miles away and luckily that little girl was able to escape, but he had raped her and he is never getting out. He is being held on $5 million dollars and gee, think he has priors?? Sure nuff!!!

He raped a girl from Detroit about 5 years ago and only served two years, this time he will never get out, he should get the DP IMO!! And yes Sally, we have our share of hillbillies here, believe me we do, I don't associate with any of them, I prefer to have friends that are well educated and lead good lives, none of my friends who have children would never live the way these yahoos do, they know to the minute where their kids are, who they are with and with all my god-kids, I always never let them out of my sight when they were with me and I of course knew most of their friend's parents as the kids pretty much hung with our circle of friend's kids and it was such a joy to watch all these kids of mine grow up, some have done better than others, but they are happy and that makes me happy. My youngest is my Ian, my little man is now (HORRORS) turning into a teenager, yikes!!! I just went through the hair pulling with his sister!! I just think that these poor kids have been subjected to things they should never have been. According to police, there have been domestic violence incidents between Mommy and Daddy, he strikes me as one that likes to get all drunk and stupid, I said on Crimechatter that the earrings went out in the 80's and I am surprised he does not sport a mullet!! Mommy looks like a crack pipe has been in her life and the Grandparents??? Now I am generalizing here, I am just spinning what I think these poor kids have been living through and I don't like it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Slideshow from the TES website:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/texasequusearch/sets/72157613795578812/show/with/3279346374/

[lorettalockhorn]

Unfortunately, that lifestyle is very common in Florida. I f you travel state road 50 just a few miles east of Orlando, you will be in Bithlo. This family would fit right in and no one would bat an eye.

gator

Institutionalized pedophilia is common in Florida? Where does the judiciary and legislature come down on this? Oh wait, I've read the statutes. I don't get why anyone would turn a blind eye to Mr. Cummings' "lifestyle". In fact, until I read the police report last night, I didn't understand why people were commenting on some of the news websites about his proclivities. Misty's age is one thing, but Crystal's is a whole nuther ball of wax.

I'm an Arkansas hillbilly myself, and I find it appalling. People need to be writing some letters to complain about this low standard.

[Native Alien]

I watched the video of today's press conference just a few minutes ago and something struck me as very strange. I want to know if anyone else heard the question and the answer that I think that I did.

One of the reporters towards the end of the press conference asked if the police had talked to one of Misti's, (the girlfriend), relatives, ( I thought I heard the term brother) who is a registered sex offender in another state, had been talked with?

Did anyone else hear this or is it just me?

[Gatordog]

Institutionalized pedophilia is common in Florida? Where does the judiciary and legislature come down on this? Oh wait, I've read the statutes. I don't get why anyone would turn a blind eye to Mr. Cummings' "lifestyle". In fact, until I read the police report last night, I didn't understand why people were commenting on some of the news websites about his proclivities. Misty's age is one thing, but Crystal's is a whole nuther ball of wax.

I'm an Arkansas hillbilly myself, and I find it appalling. People need to be writing some letters to complain about this low standard.

Florida
The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits an adult younger than 24 to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17.

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose Florida code, Title XLVI, Chapter 794

[Gatordog]

It was reorted tonight that Caleigh suffers from Turner Syndrome which could explain why she was sick so often. It's a chromosonal defect present only in females. Only one "X" instead of two. Can also result in mild retardation. News said it is genetic.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Florida
The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits an adult younger than 24 to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17.

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose Florida code, Title XLVI, Chapter 794

Yes, I know. I have posted links about what constitutes statutory rape, school attendance/compulsory ages, and emancipation.

What I want to know is why has this guy Cummings committed this felony at least twice without prosecution?

[lorettalockhorn]

It was reorted tonight that Caleigh suffers from Turner Syndrome which could explain why she was sick so often. It's a chromosonal defect present only in females. Only one "X" instead of two. Can also result in mild retardation. News said it is genetic.

Gator

Turner Syndrome is listed on the police report. Native Alien posted this link last night:

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_...ic/turner.html

If TS is the reason that Haleigh missed school, you just have to wonder why Crystal told NG that she doesn't know why Haleigh had missed so much school that Ronald was about to go to jail. :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

I watched the video of today's press conference just a few minutes ago and something struck me as very strange. I want to know if anyone else heard the question and the answer that I think that I did.

One of the reporters towards the end of the press conference asked if the police had talked to one of Misti's, (the girlfriend), relatives, ( I thought I heard the term brother) who is a registered sex offender in another state, had been talked with?

Did anyone else hear this or is it just me?

Do you have a link to today's press conference? (I think the links I posted were for yesterday's.) I didn't hear that question!

[wind149]

I missed the news brief, did you say her brother is a RSO?? Well there ya go, did Misty not say her brothers came to visit? Well, if that is the case, LE has a leg up on a suspect!!! If this turns out to be the case, I was right. Someone who knows this pile of losers, have been to the home, yuppers, he would be on my radar screen!!! He probably scoped out the house, knew where the doors are and why are back doors in trailers always seem to be near the bedrooms? My backdoor in the one I lived in was right next to my bedroom and I put a heavy duty dead bolt and a panic bar on it, being married to a locksmith taught me about locks and what works and I also put a security light in the backyard, I have one here, and I have heavy duty locks on my door for sure especially since I live in the middle of nowhere, these days, you gotta do whatever it takes to keep out what you don't want in!!!

I am not buying the story about how Daddy locked the door and the cinder block still is freaking me out, I hope they can raise prints off it. This whole story is not adding up, and the evidence they found I guess was a washout and my friend pointed out something Ronnie said to the 911 operator about his dumb ass girlfriend and why in hell did she not call 911 before him? This girl probably comes from another family just like them, surprised she isn't knocked up. These type of women gotta have a kid by every loser out there and the losers tend to resent her kids and usually treat them like crap or molest them, seen it happen many times, too many. I am just wondering if this poor baby is still alive, my gut is telling me she isn't, that whoever took her was not planning on returning her, shades of Couey and if his piece of crap crackho sister had done the right thing Jessie would be alive today, watching Hannah Montana, kissing her Daddy goodnight and going to church with Grandma. I hate that woman so bad, if I ever saw her I would punch her square in the face! I wonder where she lives now, probably still smoking crack, she belongs on death row.

[Native Alien]

Here is the link that I found. It is channel 13

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=0214missinggirl_021420090410&cat=Local&title=Haleigh%20Saturday%20News%20Conference

[STLcardfan]

Sally, I guess I am guilty for referring to these people as hillbillies, but scholars they are not. Now we know that abducted children come from all walks of life, but at times, it is the lifestyle that the parents lead that puts their kids at risk for abuse of all kinds, they expose them to drugs and alcohol, domestic violence, seen it happen sadly, many times. Now these people are not living well, some trashy trailer park where I can only guess is one that does not do background checks on potential tenants and I can only guess Mommy lives about the same way, why do people like this get to breed? So I do sound harsh, not going to apologize either for my feelings and I am disgusted with this guy for allowing some dumber than a stump girl take over Mommy duties and while I am not accusing her outright (YET) for this child going missing, I am thinking some friend of hers could be a SO and saw an opportunity. A guy here, next town over about a month ago took a little girl out of her bedroom at 3 a.m. and brought her to his house about 30 miles away and luckily that little girl was able to escape, but he had raped her and he is never getting out. He is being held on $5 million dollars and gee, think he has priors?? Sure nuff!!!

He raped a girl from Detroit about 5 years ago and only served two years, this time he will never get out, he should get the DP IMO!! And yes Sally, we have our share of hillbillies here, believe me we do, I don't associate with any of them, I prefer to have friends that are well educated and lead good lives, none of my friends who have children would never live the way these yahoos do, they know to the minute where their kids are, who they are with and with all my god-kids, I always never let them out of my sight when they were with me and I of course knew most of their friend's parents as the kids pretty much hung with our circle of friend's kids and it was such a joy to watch all these kids of mine grow up, some have done better than others, but they are happy and that makes me happy. My youngest is my Ian, my little man is now (HORRORS) turning into a teenager, yikes!!! I just went through the hair pulling with his sister!! I just think that these poor kids have been subjected to things they should never have been. According to police, there have been domestic violence incidents between Mommy and Daddy, he strikes me as one that likes to get all drunk and stupid, I said on Crimechatter that the earrings went out in the 80's and I am surprised he does not sport a mullet!! Mommy looks like a crack pipe has been in her life and the Grandparents??? Now I am generalizing here, I am just spinning what I think these poor kids have been living through and I don't like it.

I don't usually do this but it needs to be said. You are a snob. Your name calling AKA trailor trash, hillbillies etc is sick. Yes these people have little means, education, life skills etc. but the fact that you look down on them because they are not like you or you friends is just plain snobish. You remind me of the twits on the titanic that thought their lifeboat should only hold the upper class and let the lower class drown. There is nothing wrong with living in a trailor. Not everone is born with a silver spoon up their arse as clearly you were. I think there is something up to with the GF but it has NOTHING to do with their social status.:punch: :punch: :punch: and one more for the road :punch: :cuss::flamemad:

[STLcardfan]

This little girl has already had a catastrophic life. She actally drowned a few years back. The father was loading the car, the mother came out and asked where Haleigh was and he didn't know even though he was supposed to be watching her. The mother ran down to the creek and Haleigh was floating face down. she was rescusitated through CPR. The file on this family is inches thick.

Gator

you are a wealth of info gator. where do you get it from I know you live in the area. Is it rumor or do you know someone in DFS.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here is the link that I found. It is channel 13

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=0214missinggirl_021420090410&cat=Local&title=Haleigh%20Saturday%20News%20Conference

Thanks, NA! I did hear that question, but it was asked awkwardly or something; the spokesman didn't seem to understand at first that he was asking about Misty's brother, and then didn't answer the question. I don't think the guy's name was mentioned or where he's from.

[lorettalockhorn]

you are a wealth of info gator. where do you get it from I know you live in the area. Is it rumor or do you know someone in DFS.

Couldn't find the news video, but (of course) it's on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

[Native Alien]

Thanks, NA! I did hear that question, but it was asked awkwardly or something; the spokesman didn't seem to understand at first that he was asking about Misty's brother, and then didn't answer the question. I don't think the guy's name was mentioned or where he's from.

I thought that I heard that he was suppose to be in Kentucky but then there is the reporter saying whereever he is suppose to be that he isn't.