Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[javahog]

http://i30.tinypic.com/25t9lpz.jpg

oh, yeah, sums it up, lol!

[javahog]

Hypothetically if a guy took her. This case is already doomed to fail in like the 99% range......it will end in death. The reason is simple, the person who took her will get life in prison ( if it's a man) for the abduction , thus there really is no incentive to let her go as opposed to they will likely kill her and get rid of the body so as not to be testified against in court and then convicted to life in prison. They have a better chance of hiding the body and never being linked to her death than just letting her go and having to sit there and be testified against. I'd say more than likely she was taken for a sexual reason and not necessarily for the joy of some kinda kill. You never see a case where the prosecution sort of plea deals over the air so it becomes All or Nothing for the abductor.....I know some will say that the abductor would get death for murder but not for kidnapping but that would be minor to the guarantee of lwop . IMO. Thus that is why death will likely occur in the 99% range. IMO. I think a man knows he won't get a break.

For the Glass Ceiling alone men deserve a greater risk of the DP. and that doesn't even take the inventor of high heels into account.

[javahog]

Yes i am sure much more info to come. Yes as far as i am concerned they are trailer trash-you dont have to live in one or be poor to behave like one. MOO

And "trash" doesn't just come white. That's why I object to the injection of race at all.

[javahog]

If I understand myspace and facebook and those kinds of things, (and I'm not saying I do, lol) if you have it set to private, only those you accept as friends have privy to anything other than (on myspace) the avatar, and I'm 39, female, that little blurb.

The person in charge of that myspace is the person in charge of fuzzing out the faces--if she doesn't, and does not set it to private, anyone can keep accessing it, unfuzzed.

I know. I was thinking someone here could do a screen cap and delete faces so we don't link to the original. But I suppose it doesn't matter. Its not on private. Its just kind of creepy we are seeing this and the girl doesn't even know, probably.

[wind149]

Java no real malice on my part calling them "white trash" On the OJ board I called him black trash and got my ass chewed out as a racist??? But they are that TRASH!! That better now??? This child is almost missing for two weeks now and speaking to a friend this a.m. she thinks Misti has something to do with the child being missing just like my friend Joe does, and would that surprise anyone here??? Nothing at this point could possibly shock me about these losers and yeah I did pick up on the fact that Ron did not call her by name and he looked and acted like he was on something, but Gee, wait a minute, this man does not do drugs, have never dealt any, never "done hit no woman" "No I did not whup my child" I guess the system gave him all those felony charges because they don't like the way he looks huh? And I wonder how many kids this creep actually has out there! And all these loser women or maybe I should say teens, think he is Brad Pitt and he is as homely as a hedge fence, yeah, studmuffin of the trailer trash circuit of Satsuma. This child is not going to be found alive, it would be a miracle like Elizabeth Smart, she is about the only missing child besides Shasta Groene to be found alive, all the others dead. It is now a waiting game, just like with Caylee.

[Amy]

I suppose its OK if gets everyone to rat on everyone else, but I also think it is rather mean. Last week they were geting along and had the birthday party and the prayer vigil together. Now they are at each other's throats. I think the media is responsible for keeping things stirred up and they ought to be ashamed.

I think you are right. They had their says, they made up, so to speak, so as to be united in the search for their daughter. They don't need a mic in their faces every day, and when there isn't something titillating to report--someone starts bringing up questions regarding the "other side" and, off they go. Of course, they don't HAVE to meet those mics everyday, go on GVS, NG, etc. If they don't, tho, people wonder why not, plus it DOES keep Haleigh in the front of people's minds everyday.

Perhaps this would be a good time for a spokesperson from a reliable, established missing person organization to be the one to get in front of the mic everyday, to say the family is holding on as best they can, they are praying for their daughter and want for whomever took her to bring her back.

[javahog]

Java no real malice on my part calling them "white trash" On the OJ board I called him black trash and got my ass chewed out as a racist??? But they are that TRASH!! That better now??? This child is almost missing for two weeks now and speaking to a friend this a.m. she thinks Misti has something to do with the child being missing just like my friend Joe does, and would that surprise anyone here??? Nothing at this point could possibly shock me about these losers and yeah I did pick up on the fact that Ron did not call her by name and he looked and acted like he was on something, but Gee, wait a minute, this man does not do drugs, have never dealt any, never "done hit no woman" "No I did not whup my child" I guess the system gave him all those felony charges because they don't like the way he looks huh? And I wonder how many kids this creep actually has out there! And all these loser women or maybe I should say teens, think he is Brad Pitt and he is as homely as a hedge fence, yeah, studmuffin of the trailer trash circuit of Satsuma. This child is not going to be found alive, it would be a miracle like Elizabeth Smart, she is about the only missing child besides Shasta Groene to be found alive, all the others dead. It is now a waiting game, just like with Caylee.

I'm not calling you a racist, Wind. I just don't like racial qualifiers for stuff that is universally bad behavior. I can't stand these people, their bizarre fecundity, their choice of illegal sexual partners, the number of partners, one guys overpowering of the gene pool, the criminal activity, their internecine strife...it is a flat-out trashy lifestyle, imo. I hope the child turns up, but I honestly have no hope.

[javahog]

Thank-you. You just exposed yourself. imo. BTW.....women wear "high heels" because they like them....that's why they spend crazy amounts of money on them, I love how women like people to think it's somehow a man behind it....give me a break. If you took them all off the shelves women would cry foul. Men couldnt care less. imo

I just exposed sarcasm. You have been exposing yourself for quite a while here. Thankfully not literally.

[STLcardfan]

Geraldo in Satsuma FL 2/21/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n...e=channel_page


Disappearance Prompts Alleged Internet Scam
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstor...VVZzuu-1A.cspx


Fox anchor banned from camp of missing girl's father
Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning on Saturday
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...g_girls_father


Tennessee cousin not a suspect in the case
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...ct_in_the_case

Misty Croslin's Tennessee Relative Not a Suspect in Haleigh's Disappearance
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...131872&catid=3

Missing Florida Girl's Dad: I 'Never' Hit My Child
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498127,00.html




:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hypothetically if a guy took her. This case is already doomed to fail in like the 99% range......it will end in death. The reason is simple, the person who took her will get life in prison ( if it's a man) for the abduction , thus there really is no incentive to let her go as opposed to they will likely kill her and get rid of the body so as not to be testified against in court and then convicted to life in prison. They have a better chance of hiding the body and never being linked to her death than just letting her go and having to sit there and be testified against. I'd say more than likely she was taken for a sexual reason and not necessarily for the joy of some kinda kill. You never see a case where the prosecution sort of plea deals over the air so it becomes All or Nothing for the abductor.....I know some will say that the abductor would get death for murder but not for kidnapping but that would be minor to the guarantee of lwop . IMO. Thus that is why death will likely occur in the 99% range. IMO. I think a man knows he won't get a break.

It's hard to know where you get your "statistics" since you never post a link; I'll assume your posts are opinion.

Here are a couple of good sources for you to bone up on:

http://www.kidsfightingchance.com/stats.php

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-mcstatistics.htm

Sorry, but I can't understand the point of your post re: pleas and deals. Maybe you could elucidate or post a citation.

[STLcardfan]

Haleigh Cumming's little brother says man in black took his sister

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime...ook-his-sister



Police Follow Tips In Day 12 Of Haleigh Investigation

http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html


"Girlfriend" Misty Croslin Under Police Suspicion In Haleigh Cummings Disappearance

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsSt...d=77156&cat=19

[lorettalockhorn]

STLcardfan
There are so many loser families these days it almost seems the norm at times!! I have been teaching for a long time (30yrs) and I have been in the inner city for 15 of those yrs and I just can't believe how we do not protect our kids. We have so many issues at school and the issues are not academic but family related that impinge on the academic success of many of our students. My heart breaks for them. For the last few years we have used our Title 1 money, not for another reading teacher, but for a full time social worker who doesn't stop all day just dealing with home related problems. I see so many kids who, if I could get them out of their families, would really be able to excel
sigh.......

Sad but true.

[lorettalockhorn]

I suppose its OK if gets everyone to rat on everyone else, but I also think it is rather mean. Last week they were geting along and had the birthday party and the prayer vigil together. Now they are at each other's throats. I think the media is responsible for keeping things stirred up and they ought to be ashamed.

I'm very curious as to just how the Geraldo At Large interviews came about. I suppose Brother Craig went to Satsuma and did some advance scouting, but wonder which side was approached first or if either side volunteered to go on camera.

If you look at the Putnam County criminal court site, you will see that the drug use and violence is intergenerational and on both sides of Haleigh's family. And I had to laugh a little at Teresa Neves on her phone to call the law; her criminal history is for harassing phone calls.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cumming's little brother says man in black took his sister

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime...ook-his-sister



Police Follow Tips In Day 12 Of Haleigh Investigation

http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html


"Girlfriend" Misty Croslin Under Police Suspicion In Haleigh Cummings Disappearance

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsSt...d=77156&cat=19

STL, I'm getting the forbidden schtick with that first link, can you post the text or the home url? Please, pretty please?!

[STLcardfan]

STL, I'm getting the forbidden schtick with that first link, can you post the text or the home url? Please, pretty please?!


Haleigh Cumming's little brother says man in black took his sister
5 comments February 21, 9:42 PM
by Cindy Adams, Crime Examiner
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Haleigh CummingsAccording to News 4 Jax.com, Haleigh Cumming’s little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr. gave his mother a startling bit of information regarding the night his sister was abducted.

The children’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, said that 4-year-old Ronald told her that a man dressed entirely in black entered the home and took Haleigh.

Sheffield relayed this information to authorities and Ronald Jr. was immediately questioned by a team of people who deal with children.

Authorities would not comment on this tip or any other tips they have received in order to protect the integrity of the case.

Misty Croslin, 17, claims she was at home sleeping when the girl disappeared. Croslin said that when she got up to use the bathroom, she discovered the kitchen light on, the back door propped open with a brick, and Haleigh gone. Croslin is Haleigh's father's live-in girlfriend.

Ronald Jr. celebrated his fourth birthday without his big sister and told his mother, "I want to find my sissy.”

Haleigh has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall. Please call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cumming's little brother says man in black took his sister


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister

Thanks a million! :seeya:

[STLcardfan]

i don't know what happen to my links but here is the 3rd one

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=77156&cat=19

Law News

"Girlfriend" Misty Croslin Under Police Suspicion In Haleigh Cummings Disappearance
Police in Florida question girlfriend of father in missing child case.

Los Angeles 2/20/2009 06:08 AM GMT (TransWorldNews)



Haleigh Cummings has been missing Tuesday the 10th of February and was abducted from her home in Satsuma, Florida. Haleigh was left in the care of her father's girlfriend Misty Croslin, 17.



Let's get to the main questions that need to be answered and quick, a little girls life is on the line. If you have any information that can aid in the investigation, please contact the tip line set up by local law enforcement or go to our website and use our tip submission at http://www.hollywoodpi.info/.



In a recent video interview with a reporter from News4Jax.com the “girlfriend”, Misty Croslin makes mention of a “White Van That they took”. Click here to go directly to the video clip and pay close attention at the 35-37 second mark. We need more information about the van referenced. Whose van is it and was it reported stolen? Is it a police van? We need details. It has not been mentioned anywhere yet.



It would seem as if Misty Croslin knows what happened to Haleigh. Remember, Misty was supposed to be watching and caring for Haleigh. Misty claims she placed Haleigh in bed at approximately 8:00 PM alone. Where were the other children in the home? We keep getting conflicting reports on that.





Best Possible Theory at this time.

Someone was in the house with Misty, Good possibility Misty and her guest were drinking or doing drugs, smoking pot. Misty fell asleep or passed out. The guest saw an opportunity to abduct Haleigh. In the process of removing Haleigh, he/she turned on the kitchen light, opened the back door, heard it squeak, got a brick to prop it open so when they left it would not squeak. Went back into the home, picked up the child and exited. That's why the door was found propped open and the light was left on.



The suspect literally had his/her hands full and could not turn off the light or take the brick from the door because they had to have both hands on the child.



If you have any information that could be useful in this case. Please contact the local tip lines at;

386-329-0808

386-329-0809

[STLcardfan]

poor whoraldo is banned from the cumming's property LMAO

[javahog]

I'm very curious as to just how the Geraldo At Large interviews came about. I suppose Brother Craig went to Satsuma and did some advance scouting, but wonder which side was approached first or if either side volunteered to go on camera.

If you look at the Putnam County criminal court site, you will see that the drug use and violence is intergenerational and on both sides of Haleigh's family. And I had to laugh a little at Teresa Neves on her phone to call the law; her criminal history is for harassing phone calls.

Just thought I'd throw this in here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9807E6D91539F933A25750C0A9679482 60&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all

To sum up, studies are suggesting toxic exposure and drug use in the father makes a chromosomal abnormality (like Turner's syndrome) more likely. NOT that that is the only cause of genetic disorders...

[javahog]

poor whoraldo is banned from the cumming's property LMAO

His presence could make even that property value drop, lol!

[javahog]

When a Mary Winkler or an Andrea Yates or a Delaney aren't convicted of " Murder" when they clearly commit murder than the stats for female murders remain lower than what is actual.

How about men who kill their whole families and then suicide, therefore are not convicted of "Murder": doesn't that skew the stats?

[wind149]

Banning Geraldo from the property is a hoot!! Gee, this pile of trash don't like to hear the truth, did he hit a nerve?? I think just like with Casey these losers are no stranger to the truth either. Now as far as Junior seeing a man in black come into the home, not much there to go on unless Junior recognized him and I have not heard any reports advising that. I just got done reading a local paper down there and besides all of us, the local yokels down there are pretty skeptical about all their stories, and many are pointing a finger at Misti, many feel she did leave that night, others think she had some low-lifers over to party and she passed out and maybe they took the child. Others think maybe she killed the child, and who can blame Floridians who feel this way? The Casey Anthony case and now this, before that it was the Jessica Lunsford and the Carlie Brucia case.

Also many of the locals are thinking the same things most of us are, that these losers and their lifestyle play a big factor in this case and I guess his record is pretty well known and he can fish lie all he wants about how he does or did not deal or use drugs, we have the proof here and so does LE. Also many have expressed that she is probably dead, seems to be a general consensus. And they are not letting Mommy off the hook too. Women, I noticed expressed a lot of disgust like I did that if Ron was beating on the children and was such a bad ass, then why did she not fight to get custody??? Ah, a lot easier to just hook up with another loser and start all over again, pattern with these type of low-life women. I would say maybe out of 65 comments, three people actually said nice things about them and they are probably kinfolk, spelling is not a strong suit. Bottom line. Not much sympathy for this clan, but feel greatly for the children and so do we.

[javahog]

A female poster was trying to say the reason women wear " high heels" is somehow a mans fault. You seem to know what I know.....women just love them and will buy them because they like the way they look. I know this because my girlfriend seriously buys like a million of them.

I was mocking your sexism. Which you are continuing to prove.

[javahog]

I'm the one not being sexist. I believe in EQUAL justice. I would submit it is you who are sexist. imo

And you somehow think I do not believe in equal justice? Is there some thread I have started entitled "Off the men, leave the women killers alone"?

I reject your submission.

[lorettalockhorn]

poor whoraldo is banned from the cumming's property LMAO

It's interesting because it's not actually Cummings' property, the owner interceded on the Cummings family's behalf. Don't get me wrong, I do feel sorry for Haleigh's family (on both sides), but Ronald needs to get straight with the media if he wants the public to think that he's being straight with LE. For instance, I haven't seen Crystal denying drug use like RC does.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just thought I'd throw this in here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9807E6D91539F933A25750C0A9679482 60&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all

To sum up, studies are suggesting toxic exposure and drug use in the father makes a chromosomal abnormality (like Turner's syndrome) more likely. NOT that that is the only cause of genetic disorders...

We can only hope that Cummings' "garbage disposal system" breaks down and his sperm count goes to zero.

Haven't we read that Junior has a heart murmur? In my opinion, Cummings' choice of underage partners isn't an asset to his siring of healthy children.

[lorettalockhorn]

When a Mary Winkler or an Andrea Yates or a Delaney aren't convicted of " Murder" when they clearly commit murder than the stats for female murders remain lower than what is actual.

What do Mary Winkler and/or Andrea Yates have to do with the murder of abducted children?

[lorettalockhorn]

A female poster was trying to say the reason women wear " high heels" is somehow a mans fault. You seem to know what I know.....women just love them and will buy them because they like the way they look. I know this because my girlfriend seriously buys like a million of them.

WOW! A million! Shoes? Or pairs of shoes? Like seriously.

[lorettalockhorn]

And you somehow think I do not believe in equal justice? Is there some thread I have started entitled "Off the men, leave the women killers alone"?

I reject your submission.

I submit that your rejection of his submission is warranted. :hat:

[javahog]

I submit that your rejection of his submission is warranted. :hat:

I submit that I appreciate your submission that my rejection of his submission is warranted. End of submission.

[javahog]

Yeah me too. Gawd if he is trying for his next 15 min. of fame he is so far beyond that. And i am going back to his Al Capone vault and womanizing day's. He seems so defense sided that i stopped listening after the few times i did on the Caylee case. He is old news and cant redeem himself in my eye's. MOO

He seems to have been trying to create as much press for himself as possible after Fox cut his face time when he gave away the troop locations. Report the story, Gerry, don't BE the story! There's a lot to uncover here without going the 60 minutes satire route.

[Woostock]

"if you look at the Putnam County criminal court site, you will see that the drug use and violence is intergenerational and on both sides of Haleigh's family. And I had to laugh a little at Teresa Neves on her phone to call the law; her criminal history is for harassing phone calls."

Both sides; a real dummy whammy for the kids. don't get me going on that!!
As I am known for saying "------made it inspite of his, her family"

[lorettalockhorn]

He seems to have been trying to create as much press for himself as possible after Fox cut his face time when he gave away the troop locations. Report the story, Gerry, don't BE the story! There's a lot to uncover here without going the 60 minutes satire route.

God help me (and forgive me) for saying this, but even though I can barely tolerate Geraldo anymore (what happened?!?), I liked what he did last night. He proved once again that Cummings is a liar and that his family is willing to stand behind his lies. Too bad GR didn't have a copy of Cummings' criminal history in his hand. Too bad he didn't ask Cummings about his own family's report about the hassle over the gun with Joe. Yeah, I know the cousin doesn't have anything to do with Haleigh's abduction according to LE (eve though it's still being report on Fox as of today), but Cummings needs to realize that he can't blow smoke up the publics' ass about drug use, or a felon in possession of a firearm, or timelines, or Haleigh's disappearance, or anything else.

I wonder how much information Misty has given LE and the media (off the record) about life with the Cummings Clan. She was conspicuous by her absence last night.

[lorettalockhorn]

Both sides; a real dummy whammy for the kids. don't get me going on that!!
As I am known for saying "------made it inspite of his, her family"

I hear ya and thank gawd for folk like u who care and do what ya do. Especially for little Haleigh who has every card stacked against her. Not to say she could not climb out of the trenches but we all know the odds. Children learn what they live and live what they learn. MOO

Great points!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey i am always a true believer in redemption.lol. It's too bad GR did not do a bit of homework prior as u said they may have really cut to the chase. So Cummings may be relying on the fact that i have my kids and i am working so i am redeemed. Oh good lord. As far as i am concerned he is pond scum. MOO

I think he and Craig did their homework, but can't help but wonder what the effect of sticking some paperwork in Cummings' face might have been. As much as I hate Springeresque Moments, I wonder if that's what it's going to take for the truth to come out in this case. Guess it would be safer for everyone concerned if someone would volunteer to mediate for them all. If Ron and Misty will own the truth, I think Haleigh can be brought home sooner rather than later or not at all. Not saying they personally did something to her necessarily, but I do think one or both of them know more than they're telling.

His statement about believing Haleigh is alive until they find her was chilling. Hope it was just a case of poor public speaking skills.

[Woostock]

Lorretta
It is too bad you were not there with Geraldo. Those questions needed to be asked. Cummings is not being forthcoming and he is the parent who left his kids with Misty. It is the parents duty to protect the children. I personally do not trust either one of them. In laws, outlaws the whole bunch are suspect in my eyes.

[Amy]

He seems to have been trying to create as much press for himself as possible after Fox cut his face time when he gave away the troop locations. Report the story, Gerry, don't BE the story! There's a lot to uncover here without going the 60 minutes satire route.

I think he thinks he is investigative reporter extraordinaire. He sure is coming up with some down and dirty questions (wonder if he investigated and found information, or is just guessing and hitting some nails on the head.) But, in the Anthony case, where there had been comments about, how come no one (talk show hosts in particular) didn't ask the HARD questions of the A's and their lawyers? When investigative reporter Geraldo Rivera came on scene--HE didn't either, I guess cuz he was steaming for the defense.

I guess, without anyone being accused or charged, there is no "defense" yet to be on the side of.

[lorettalockhorn]

Since we have been talking shoe issues etc. today. lol I thought i would share a blip from my field newbie days. Loretta u reminded me of it with your post about pairs of shoes. As i said i was a very green newbie and was to take an individual out clothing shopping. Having said that i knew enough about him with severe OCD and an explosive temper all guidelines had to be gone over with him prior to the outing. Before we even got out the door he went into a rage. We had gone over the shopping list and monies for weeks before i even left the building with him. He kept yelling at me i want 2 pr of shoes. I kept recanting to him we had discussed and agreed per his budget it only allowed for 1 pr. with all the other items he wanted. I spent prolly 30 min. before i figured it out. In his mind we were only shopping for 1 shoe!!! In his mind 2 pair meant 2 shoes. As i travel around thru this agency i am now back working with him. Karma

Aww beem, that's sad for him to be so fixated that it's a battle to make him understand the concept. And it makes sense that he wants two shoes! I've seen kids in pretty ritzy digs (compared to home) while in foster care piss and moan that they aren't getting enough on their shopping trips.

[Amy]

God help me (and forgive me) for saying this, but even though I can barely tolerate Geraldo anymore (what happened?!?), I liked what he did last night. He proved once again that Cummings is a liar and that his family is willing to stand behind his lies. Too bad GR didn't have a copy of Cummings' criminal history in his hand. Too bad he didn't ask Cummings about his own family's report about the hassle over the gun with Joe. Yeah, I know the cousin doesn't have anything to do with Haleigh's abduction according to LE (eve though it's still being report on Fox as of today), but Cummings needs to realize that he can't blow smoke up the publics' ass about drug use, or a felon in possession of a firearm, or timelines, or Haleigh's disappearance, or anything else.

I wonder how much information Misty has given LE and the media (off the record) about life with the Cummings Clan. She was conspicuous by her absence last night.

Does he (Ronald) really think that no one can access his police records and KNOW about his criminal history? What the heck good does he think lying about it is going to accomplish? It certainly isn't going to put him in a favorable light with anyone--if ya lie about one thing, how are we (or LE) going to know you aren't lying about everything?

[lorettalockhorn]

Your prob. right Loretta. Perhaps that was the effect. I have never said this yet but will put it out there now. Was she not the child that had higher needs and higher long term needs??? That just peaks my curiosity? Maybe nothing since she is female but i am willing to put it out there. MOO

Cummings doesn't seem to have respect for much of anyone, but I wonder if he isn't a raging misogynist. And Haleigh had this particular illness that would likely leave her unable to have children; birthing babies might symbolize worth for someone like her father. Barefoot and pregant. Yup. Yup.

[Amy]

I stopped listening to Geraldo with the Caylee case cuz he was so pro defense. My thoughts were it was never about the issue and what was right or wrong. In my opine as of late all the talking head shows are about ratings nothing more nothing less. Are we not in sweeps weeks? Not to say they dont have credible moments but as far as i am concerned they are just moments. MOO

I really haven't been watching any of those shows (NG, GVS, etc.--and until just recently, wasn't sure @ ALL where and when Geraldo pops up, just accidently got him once.) I have been going back to old reruns of Forensic Files and 48 Hours and Dominic Dunne. NG won't let anyone answer her questions, and GVS, while a lot calmer, seems to be about 2 months behind the eight ball. Occasionally when I flip thru channels, there is something about Caylee, or Haleigh on whatever show is on---just some calm reports, no ranting and raving by hosts. Not even th's--and it is refreshing, I must say.

[ErrinSpelling]

Geraldo in Satsuma FL 2/21/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n...e=channel_page


Disappearance Prompts Alleged Internet Scam
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstor...VVZzuu-1A.cspx


Fox anchor banned from camp of missing girl's father
Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning on Saturday
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...g_girls_father


Tennessee cousin not a suspect in the case
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...ct_in_the_case

Misty Croslin's Tennessee Relative Not a Suspect in Haleigh's Disappearance
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...131872&catid=3

Missing Florida Girl's Dad: I 'Never' Hit My Child
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498127,00.html




:seeya:

in fox anchor banned..i wonder what that means GR would not sign the warning, but he would not come back?that sounds , a little bit like he may try to go back
& wants to get arrested.

[Amy]

in fox anchor banned..i wonder what that means GR would not sign the warning, but he would not come back?that sounds , a little bit like he may try to go back
& wants to get arrested.

Who knows w/Geraldo. Maybe he thinks that, as the only show host to show up @ the sight, it's his DUTY to get to the bottom of the mystery. Of course, he COULD let LE do their job, but I'm thinking he wants to be famous for SOMETHING other than finding an empty crypt.

He might think that if he has to go to JAIL in pursuit of finding Haleigh, so be it, he will CHAMPION his cause!!!! OTOH, maybe he just went back to wherever with his tail between his legs--and I'm betting that this time he would be on the side of the prosecution especially if any of Haleigh's family is found to be involved, even peripherally.

[ErrinSpelling]

Looked at some of Geraldo again and wondering several things:

The two families had decided to put their differences aside last week. What has changed?

There should be written reports and a photograph of Haleigh's injuries from the school accident either taken by the school or the hospital. That should be compared to the photograph that Marie has. If Haleigh's injuries at some point were more severe than what the school recalls, they should have been reported to DCF by the school.

Cummings did seem stoned to me and even though he was controlled, it took effort. His denial of using drugs is ridiculous; his record is public. It was ironic that he was threatening to press charges for some of the things being said. But I'm not sure irony is in his realm of thought. I don't think I heard him refer to Haleigh a single time as "Haleigh". She's always "his child" or "his daughter". I don't think I've ever heard him refer to her as "Doodlebug" (supposedly her nickname) throughout this entire ordeal.

I can't stand it when he cries and his voice goes all wonky.

It does seem outrageous that Geraldo would in effect blow Cummings' cover as a confidential informant, true or otherwise. If Ronald didn't have enemies before, he probably does now.

Is it at all possible that the Cummings family doesn't know how GR operates? That the type of questions he asked tonight are a huge topic of discussion that the other media has touched on as well? Why did he agree to talk to Geraldo and Craig?

Cummings will always believe that Haleigh is alive until they find her. I can't describe how that sounds, but almost like he's been told that she's dead or has received a specific threat.

Did Geraldo At Large pay any of these people to speak to him? Did Fox pay to show Haleigh's photo with the bruises? Did something happen within the past few days that Fox got wind of that convinced GR that he should go to Satsuma and confront RC in person?

I would agree with Mrs. Neves that Fox (and everyone else) is commercializing Haleigh's disappearance except they agree to talk to him. Were they duped? Did Geraldo think that by confronting Cummings that he would get some bombshell (there's that word!) information?

Something is not right with these families and especially with Ron's and Misty's stories. I think the FBI should send in a negotiator or mediator. (Being somewhat facetious here.) I smell a rat.

Where was Misty tonight?somebody must have reported something to dcf, because didn't we read they were familiar with the family & couldn't discuss anything & ron sounded like they have talked to him personally,on GR last night.
was that you, that found the telephone charge against mrs. neves as funny?
(i had pictured her , as a 911 operator in my head, before,sillily).

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Who knows w/Geraldo. Maybe he thinks that, as the only show host to show up @ the sight, it's his DUTY to get to the bottom of the mystery. Of course, he COULD let LE do their job, but I'm thinking he wants to be famous for SOMETHING other than finding an empty crypt.

He might think that if he has to go to JAIL in pursuit of finding Haleigh, so be it, he will CHAMPION his cause!!!! OTOH, maybe he just went back to wherever with his tail between his legs--and I'm betting that this time he would be on the side of the prosecution especially if any of Haleigh's family is found to be involved, even peripherally.

yes, who knows.maybe only GR knows...i think he is the one who has stirred up all the fighting.i don't think crystal would offer anything.she seemes quiet to me,until NG & GR start asking her the (right ) questions....not that i think they are right, but they obviously do.
they are just stirring the pot,like NG used to say..i forgot that long explanation.

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I must of missed that one???? I said i luv the way they look-I dont really luv them. Give me a Rockport or Sketcher flat hands down for comfort. I dont have a million of them. Do u resent that your girlfriend buys a million of them?

i would like to submit to the court ,even though my dr. in 1989 said rockport was the softest on the feet, that ecco is a lot more comfortable...the ones not made in this country, are even softer,jmfo.
f= fibromyalgia

[lorettalockhorn]

somebody must have reported something to dcf, because didn't we read they were familiar with the family & couldn't discuss anything & ron sounded like they have talked to him personally,on GR last night.
was that you, that found the telephone charge against mrs. neves as funny?
(i had pictured her , as a 911 operator in my head, before,sillily).

I think the locals in Satsuma are talking to the media off the record and supplying him with sketchy details (how's that for an oxymoron?); in other words giving him the heads up about what's been going on with this family. I wonder too if Misty wouldn't throw Ron under the bus if she's in trouble and he can be linked to whomever has Haleigh. Like if it's one of his frienemies.

I did find it funny/ironic that Mrs. Neves was on the phone to report Geraldo to LE with her own criminal history(can't tell if she was prosecuted). Not sure what her job is, but I've read that she does work in the sheriiff's office in some capacity.

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I think the locals in Satsuma are talking to the media off the record and supplying him with sketchy details (how's that for an oxymoron?); in other words giving him the heads up about what's been going on with this family. I wonder too if Misty wouldn't throw Ron under the bus if she's in trouble and he can be linked to whomever has Haleigh. Like if it's one of his frienemies.

I did find it funny/ironic that Mrs. Neves was on the phone to report Geraldo to LE with her own criminal history(can't tell if she was prosecuted). Not sure what her job is, but I've read that she does work in the sheriiff's office in some capacity.

i pictured her at the sheriff's office answering 911.

i can see them all talking to GR.that makes sense, even next door neighbor's, maybe 3 ministers...
after reading that myspace thing ,if misty wrote that comment to amber, she would throw ron under the bus.

[lorettalockhorn]

From Putnam County Records:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

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From Putnam County Records:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION



is that alias line, something that is written on all of these forms for everyne or does she have an alias?
i love your ending,- the truth and ms. anthiny are strangers,which i believe with all my heart,it started with the truth and mrs. anthony being strangers.

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Good to know and i thank you for that lol. I never mince on work shoes cuz i need comfort and at times need to move fast. In defence of the shoe from the Fowler clinic it is a New Balance shoe with some sort of rocker thingy in the arch??? We live near a world renowned trauma hospital and when my hubby 9 years ago was driving home from a golf tourney was hit head on. 2 years later he had a new foot and could finally walk. Almost lost his leg in the interim. He still has another surgery pending but he just sucks it up-at least at this point. He hates drugs. It was a 2 year recovery. I have workmates that say to me oh i luv your shoes where did u get them yadayadadaya. Well guess what the shoes i pay 140.00 dollars to outlive what they are buying. Ya gotta find what works. MOO

i'm so sorry about your husband....i have been a little ocd too, with ordering these shoes from ebay every week...you can get them 75% +off ..some are soft, but some are like clouds.i was told those are the ones made in europe..

[lorettalockhorn]

is that alias line, something that is written on all of these forms for everyne or does she have an alias?
i love your ending,- the truth and ms. anthiny are strangers,which i believe with all my heart,it started with the truth and mrs. anthony being strangers.

Yes, that's the format posted on the site. Teresa's is blank.

That Judge Strickland is a wise man!

ETA: Link to site. Lawsy. Most of this bunch is in there on the civil and/or criminal docket.

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Yes, that's the format posted on the site.

That Judge Stirckland is a wise man!

good to know.

that judge is a wise man & should be quoted.

[lorettalockhorn]

good to know.

that judge is a wise man & should be quoted.

LMAO I should honor him by at least spelling his name right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek::hat::punch:

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LMAO I should honor him by at least spelling his name right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek::hat::punch:

you silly goose,for pleading insanity.he will forgive you!imo

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thank u so much it's all good. Was it devastaning of course. But the way we view it is he still here. And it prompted him to form his new comany. It's all good. And i will never forget the day he had the accident-he had just called me to stay at the tourney to collect the gifts. I heard the ambulunces going up 40 highway. That is typical. Then got the call and how bad it was. Having said that it's good. No here in Canada we have ceiling caps with lawsuits-in our suit that took a painfegging stake all we ever wanted was lost wages and the othos's. There were 2 other plaintiff's and the one that lost her babe was so justified. All we wanted as is said was lost wages and shoes and ortho's over the years. Having said that. It's a screwed up system.

it isn't any better here,or in s.c...was hurt in 11 wrecks in s.c.& 10 people had the same ins. co...barely paid any medical bills.they get away saying, you're already going to chiropractor 3 days a week & p.t.. )to make it a short story)

how terrible to have heard the ambulance.

[lorettalockhorn]

i would like to submit to the court ,even though my dr. in 1989 said rockport was the softest on the feet, that ecco is a lot more comfortable...the ones not made in this country, are even softer,jmfo.
f= fibromyalgia

Take care!

thank u so much it's all good. Was it devastaning of course. But the way we view it is he still here. And it prompted him to form his new comany. It's all good. And i will never forget the day he had the accident-he had just called me to stay at the tourney to collect the gifts. I heard the ambulunces going up 40 highway. That is typical. Then got the call and how bad it was. Having said that it's good. No here in Canada we have ceiling caps with lawsuits-in our suit that took a painfegging stake all we ever wanted was lost wages and the othos's. There were 2 other plaintiff's and the one that lost her babe was so justified. All we wanted as is said was lost wages and shoes and ortho's over the years. Having said that. It's a screwed up system.

That's a positive attitude!

[Amy]

i'm so sorry about your husband....i have been a little ocd too, with ordering these shoes from ebay every week...you can get them 75% +off ..some are soft, but some are like clouds.i was told those are the ones made in europe..

Do they have a darn good arch support? That's my trouble w/shoes. If they don't have a good arch support, I have to buy inserts, and dang if I can remember from shoe-to-shoe which were the good ones!!!!

[Amy]

i pictured her at the sheriff's office answering 911.

i can see them all talking to GR.that makes sense, even next door neighbor's, maybe 3 ministers...
after reading that myspace thing ,if misty wrote that comment to amber, she would throw ron under the bus.

I don't remember the article and exactly how it was said, but I also figured her to be dispatch. Didn't think about the fact that there are other job categories in the police/sheriff office.

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Do they have a darn good arch support? That's my trouble w/shoes. If they don't have a good arch support, I have to buy inserts, and dang if I can remember from shoe-to-shoe which were the good ones!!!!

i'm so dumb,i don't even know an arch is,even though i've heard the word forever.:hat:

[wind149]

Ron's mother is a dispatcher? You are kidding right? She looks like she can't even read or write, never mind dispatch calls, you need a brain to do that job and I am not feeling it here, she can't even enunciate words, "fixing" is not a word I would use on a LE radio, what department does she work for??? Where I worked you had to have a high school diploma and some college, and common sense had to prevail and I do not see she having any of it. Putnam County strikes me as being way more than Mayberry, it is a fairly large county and surely they would have people working for them that are educated and trained well, not some woman who can't even speak well. I listened to the officer's end of the 911 call and heard them acknowledge the call and they spoke very well, radio protocol used, did not sound like Barney Fife! Maybe she cleans the offices?? I can see her doing that, not dispatching!!!

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I don't remember the article and exactly how it was said, but I also figured her to be dispatch. Didn't think about the fact that there are other job categories in the police/sheriff office.

you know how you just picture things in your head..i never read what she did exactly.

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Ron's mother is a dispatcher? You are kidding right? She looks like she can't even read or write, never mind dispatch calls, you need a brain to do that job and I am not feeling it here, she can't even enunciate words, "fixing" is not a word I would use on a LE radio, what department does she work for??? Where I worked you had to have a high school diploma and some college, and common sense had to prevail and I do not see she having any of it. Putnam County strikes me as being way more than Mayberry, it is a fairly large county and surely they would have people working for them that are educated and trained well, not some woman who can't even speak well. I listened to the officer's end of the 911 call and heard them acknowledge the call and they spoke very well, radio protocol used, did not sound like Barney Fife! Maybe she cleans the offices?? I can see her doing that, not dispatching!!!

cleaning is possible..now we really have to find out, what she does do.

[Nawny]

I submit that I appreciate your submission that my rejection of his submission is warranted. End of submission.


Haaa!!! You don't think that poster with the high heel fetish stands a chance here amongst all us femina's here, do ya?

Carry on Jav, ya got a great intellectual left hook! :beer:

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GR may say something new at the bottom of the hour, on fox.

[javahog]

Haaa!!! You don't think that poster with the high heel fetish stands a chance here amongst all us femina's here, do ya?

Carry on Jav, ya got a great intellectual left hook! :beer:

Well, since we are still wicked off-topic on shoes, I discovered the most comfortable sandals in the world, literally. They are called "Naot" from Israel (they live in sandals), you can find them online. Hope that helps someone. PS, I don't think they come in high heels...

[Nawny]

thank u so much it's all good. Was it devastaning of course. But the way we view it is he still here. And it prompted him to form his new comany. It's all good. And i will never forget the day he had the accident-he had just called me to stay at the tourney to collect the gifts. I heard the ambulunces going up 40 highway. That is typical. Then got the call and how bad it was. Having said that it's good. No here in Canada we have ceiling caps with lawsuits-in our suit that took a painfegging stake all we ever wanted was lost wages and the othos's. There were 2 other plaintiff's and the one that lost her babe was so justified. All we wanted as is said was lost wages and shoes and ortho's over the years. Having said that. It's a screwed up system.


My heart goes with you Beem. :rose: So much is wrong with our systems and our dirty green paper. ($) Love is all there is that's worth anything, and I can see you have that.

I won't even talk about shoes. If I start, I'll never stop. :hat:

[Nawny]

Well, since we are still wicked off-topic on shoes, I discovered the most comfortable sandals in the world, literally. They are called "Naot" from Israel (they live in sandals), you can find them online. Hope that helps someone. PS, I don't think they come in high heels...

OOooooooooo thanka you very too mucha!;)

[lorettalockhorn]

They're not sandals (which I FHATE on men! UGH mandals), but they're comfy; got a pair for My Little Love for Christmas, and they donate a pair for each pair bought:

http://tomsshoes.com/

Java, thanks for the heads up about Naot. Found a link:

http://www.naot.com/index.html

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Well, since we are still wicked off-topic on shoes, I discovered the most comfortable sandals in the world, literally. They are called "Naot" from Israel (they live in sandals), you can find them online. Hope that helps someone. PS, I don't think they come in high heels...

that's very interesting.i have to write that down.

[lorettalockhorn]

GR may say something new at the bottom of the hour, on fox.

Thanks Errin I'll try to catch him at 9CST. Hope it's not an empty teaser, but not holding my breath.

Found this pic of the foot/arch. As in architecture, the arch has a weight bearing function:

http://craftofpiano.com/slike/Arch_Structure_of_the_Foot.jpg

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Thanks Errin I'll try to catch him at 9CST. Hope it's not an empty teaser, but not holding my breath.

Found this pic of the foot/arch. As in architecture, the arch has a weight bearing function:

http://craftofpiano.com/slike/Arch_Structure_of_the_Foot.jpg

is 9 cst = 12 est i wonder....i don't think he said much.maybe it was a teaser,i don't know...possibly something about the 3 days leading up to haleigh's disappearance...imo

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Thanks Errin I'll try to catch him at 9CST. Hope it's not an empty teaser, but not holding my breath.

Found this pic of the foot/arch. As in architecture, the arch has a weight bearing function:

http://craftofpiano.com/slike/Arch_Structure_of_the_Foot.jpg

sorry i didn't see that..yes exactly the ones i have on do have a good arch support & there are some red clogs for sale tonight at ebay, just like these,
AMY!

[lorettalockhorn]

is 9 cst = 12 est i wonder....i don't think he said much.maybe it was a teaser,i don't know...possibly something about the 3 days leading up to haleigh's disappearance...imo

10EST/9CST/8PST Hey, I'd love to know what happened in the days ahead of Haleigh's disappearance. I've read that Misty was on a three day bender and Cummings had only brought her home the day before Haleigh was snatched that night. Now, I know that some of what I've read on those local newsites is absolutely rumor, but some of it has come to the fore as verifiable. Cummings' proclivity for young girls for instance, and the information about Jeremy Miller.

Anyway, for all we know, Misty racked up a large bill in the past and/or over that weekend and Haleigh was taken for "payment".

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10EST/9CST/8PST Hey, I'd love to know what happened in the days ahead of Haleigh's disappearance. I've read that Misty was on a three day bender and Cummings had only brought her home the day before Haleigh was snatched that night. Now, I know that some of what I've read on those local newsites is absolutely rumor, but some of it has come to the fore as verifiable. Cummings' proclivity for young girls for instance, and the information about Jeremy Miller.

Anyway, for all we know, Misty racked up a large bill in the past and/or over that weekend and Haleigh was taken for "payment".

oh it's like tennessee time,thank-you again...the things i have learned from you today...
i am afraid he is going to blame that rumour, about misty & the 3 day bender, as having a lot to do with the disappearance.

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Do they have a darn good arch support? That's my trouble w/shoes. If they don't have a good arch support, I have to buy inserts, and dang if I can remember from shoe-to-shoe which were the good ones!!!!

this may be easier for you to see, here...YES thanks to loretta's picture, it does.:hat:

i mean they do.woah i am catching that poor buy's ocd thinking i can have only one shoe.

[DrewBerry]

Folks such as these cast of characters should be recruited for poster people on birth control-the reason not to have children. So so sad. RC creeps me out with his feral like wailing. MOO

Good one, Beem. I'm in total agreement! The whole bunch is wacked.

[lorettalockhorn]

oh it's like tennessee time,thank-you again...the things i have learned from you today...
i am afraid he is going to blame that rumour, about misty & the 3 day bender, as having a lot to do with the disappearance.

Errin, I'm hope you're not on the West coast, because it should be 7PST. :punch:

At this point I'd be glad to see anyone make some sense out of any of this! I can appreciate LE wanting to hold things back, but what about what people may have seen and may know? They need to be inspired to come forward with what may seem unconnected, but really is.

[DrewBerry]

10EST/9CST/8PST Hey, I'd love to know what happened in the days ahead of Haleigh's disappearance. I've read that Misty was on a three day bender and Cummings had only brought her home the day before Haleigh was snatched that night. Now, I know that some of what I've read on those local newsites is absolutely rumor, but some of it has come to the fore as verifiable. Cummings' proclivity for young girls for instance, and the information about Jeremy Miller.

Anyway, for all we know, Misty racked up a large bill in the past and/or over that weekend and Haleigh was taken for "payment".

Yeah, me too Loretta. I'd love to know who was actually watching those kids and every bit of activity that went on in that mobile home. Did I hear Crystal say on NG a few days ago that LE has created a 30 day timeline?:confused:
I can't wait to get the detals. They're all in deep chit.

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Errin, I'm hope you're not on the West coast, because it should be 7PST. :punch:

At this point I'd be glad to see anyone make some sense out of any of this! I can appreciate LE wanting to hold things back, but what about what people may have seen and may know? They need to be inspired to come forward with what may seem unconnected, but really is.

one thing ,wherever i am ,i am always on the east coast.

i know.they say at the press conference, they don't want to say anything that may hurt the criminal case, but let's worry a little, a lot more about finding & saving a life...

[Native Alien]

Yeah, me too Loretta. I'd love to know who was actually watching those kids and every bit of activity that went on in that mobile home. Did I hear Crystal say on NG a few days ago that LE has created a 30 day timeline?:confused:
I can't wait to get the detals. They're all in deep chit.

I am so with you on this one.

I know that LE has been saying for the past week in the press briefings that they were establishing a 30 day timeline. At least, that was one of the things that they were working on.

More and more I am reading online that people are thinking that this is all in some way drug related, which wouldn't surprise me. What I have noticed is that Misty is noticeably absent over the last couple days. Since the last time she did an interview and her mom was telling her to get into the truck anyway.

And whoever posted that GR should have done looked up the records, he did because on one of the videos where he is interviewing Ronald you can hear him ask about the drugs, both prior and present use. Ron just blows him off.
The other thing is that Ron is denying things that are there in black and white for anyone that looks to read. So there went his creditability right down the drain.

I personally think that it is going to be a contest as to who throws who under the bus first. I think that Misti knows more than she is telling and I think the same is true of Ron. If I were going to put money on anyone to tell the truth in this mess it would have to be Crystal's Mother.

[Justice Denied?]

is 9 cst = 12 est i wonder....i don't think he said much.maybe it was a teaser,i don't know...possibly something about the 3 days leading up to haleigh's disappearance...imo

10pm EST would be 9pm CST. East coast one hr ahead. Then MST is 8pm and west coast PST is 7pm. 4 time zones in US.:D

[DrewBerry]

Errin, I'm hope you're not on the West coast, because it should be 7PST. :punch:

At this point I'd be glad to see anyone make some sense out of any of this! I can appreciate LE wanting to hold things back, but what about what people may have seen and may know? They need to be inspired to come forward with what may seem unconnected, but really is.

Hey, Loretta. Thanks for the info. I am a west coaster (sunny Seattle!) and plan on tuning in at 7 PM.
Any other west coasters here??;)

[Justice Denied?]

oh it's like tennessee time,thank-you again...the things i have learned from you today...
i am afraid he is going to blame that rumour, about misty & the 3 day bender, as having a lot to do with the disappearance.

I would not be at all suprised if it did have a lot to do with it. Either that, or the fight over the gun.

[Native Alien]

one thing ,wherever i am ,i am always on the east coast.

i know.they say at the press conference, they don't want to say anything that may hurt the criminal case, but let's worry a little, a lot more about finding & saving a life...

Errin, I don't think that at this point in reality they are going to find that child alive. It has been way to long. I will agree with whoever said that it will be a miracle at this point if they find a body.

[Native Alien]

I would not be at all suprised if it did have a lot to do with it. Either that, or the fight over the gun.

He can't blame the fight over the gun because there wasn't one, at least according to Ron there wasn't one.

[ErrinSpelling]

10pm EST would be 9pm CST. East coast one hr ahead. Then MST is 8pm and west coast PST is 7pm. 4 time zones in US.:D

:hat:my brain was only programmed for est & scott peterson time....

it is time right now.greta is on .maybe GR will be on her show now.

[lorettalockhorn]

I personally think that it is going to be a contest as to who throws who under the bus first. I think that Misti knows more than she is telling and I think the same is true of Ron. If I were going to put money on anyone to tell the truth in this mess it would have to be Crystal's Mother.

Crystal's mother might need someone to explain her own background (this whole family needs a publicist!), but the Sheffield's seem pretty honest to me when it comes to Haleigh's having gone missing.

It's a crying shame that LE would have to put together a 30 day timeline to get at the truth here, but there you have it. I think Ron and Misty know much much more than they're saying, and I think it's very likely that they had been threatened before Haleigh was taken and didn't meet some sort of deadline that resulted in her abduction.

[lorettalockhorn]

He can't blame the fight over the gun because there wasn't one, at least according to Ron there wasn't one.

So the gun that he didn't fight with Cousin Joe isn't the same gun that he told LE he was going to use on the kidnapper during the 911 call?

This guy would rather lie than eat.

[Native Alien]

So the gun that he didn't fight with Cousin Joe isn't the same gun that he told LE he was going to use on the kidnapper during the 911 call?

This guy would rather lie than eat.

I have to agree Loretta.

I picked this up on another site, and I can't find a link to it but I have a strong suspicion that it is true.

From Blink on Crime:

Sources close to the investigation are reporting a new impatience with Misty. In a conversation earlier today, it was expressed to me that they have treated her with kid gloves long enough and the strategy that she will lead them to Haleigh in her post-abduction behavior is not working. While they stop short of calling her complicit, the consensus is that she is lying about her whereabouts and her overall account of what contributed to the disappearance of 5 year old Haleigh Cummings.

[Native Alien]

Crystal's mother might need someone to explain her own background (this whole family needs a publicist!), but the Sheffield's seem pretty honest to me when it comes to Haleigh's having gone missing.

It's a crying shame that LE would have to put together a 30 day timeline to get at the truth here, but there you have it. I think Ron and Misty know much much more than they're saying, and I think it's very likely that they had been threatened before Haleigh was taken and didn't meet some sort of deadline that resulted in her abduction.

I don't think that a publicist would be able to help some of them. They are way past that point. I think that Crystal's mom has done nothing but try to find Haleigh.

[ErrinSpelling]

I would not be at all suprised if it did have a lot to do with it. Either that, or the fight over the gun.

before i could read this i see you already have answers...i remember reading something about other guns he had, but that was dropped quickly, like deer hunting guns..maybe in police reports.i guess they are non-existent also.:confused:

[ErrinSpelling]

Errin, I don't think that at this point in reality they are going to find that child alive. It has been way to long. I will agree with whoever said that it will be a miracle at this point if they find a body.

i don't think GR helped her being found alive, after his stupid informant question,if that has anything to do with why she was taken.

[ErrinSpelling]

GR is going to discuss it seems like 10 different things, 2 being casey & hailey...he showed clips from last night....one was crystal saying ,haleigh told her ron back-handed haleigh.imo

[ErrinSpelling]

GR::confused: "and now to earth wind & fire...Jose ( defense attorney)..."

what is going on.are you watching this,loretta, anyone?

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think that a publicist would be able to help some of them. They are way past that point. I think that Crystal's mom has done nothing but try to find Haleigh.

The Sheffields strike me as being honest and earnest. Crystal's reactions to some of the information is flat, but I sure as hell can't fault her for that.

[lorettalockhorn]

before i could read this i see you already have answers...i remember reading something about other guns he had, but that was dropped quickly, like deer hunting guns..maybe in police reports.i guess they are non-existent also.:confused:

One of his arrests was for spotlighting deer, so we'll assume that he has/had longarms. I think he told the 911 operator that he had a handgun (?) the morning of the call.

[javahog]

GR::confused: "and now to earth wind & fire...Jose ( defense attorney)..."

what is going on.are you watching this,loretta, anyone?

Did he actually say that? Dirt, gas and...I mean earth, wind, and fire?

[javahog]

One of his arrests was for spotlighting deer, so we'll assume that he has/had longarms. I think he told the 911 operator that he had a handgun (?) the morning of the call.

During muzzle-loading season. I had no idea there was such a thing. People hunt with muskets?

[lorettalockhorn]

GR::confused: "and now to earth wind & fire...Jose ( defense attorney)..."

what is going on.are you watching this,loretta, anyone?

I did see Jose, but didn't catch the convo. I'm watching the rerun of last night. Ron's referring to Haleigh as "my child". He is calling spanking discipline rather than corporal punishment. Geraldo calls the confrontation unpleasant but necessary. He cites the denials about drug use. Brother Craig has the records. Three counts of a controlled substance with no prescription in 2005. Xanax and according to Crystal, morphine. Ooh He's talking about Misty being exhausted from a long weekend being the reason that she slept so soundly.

[ErrinSpelling]

One of his arrests was for spotlighting deer, so we'll assume that he has/had longarms. I think he told the 911 operator that he had a handgun (?) the morning of the call.

baretta was the nonexistant gun, so there would have to be longarms for deer hunting...not that i know what that is..i did know what the shining light,thing was that he did...

[lorettalockhorn]

During muzzle-loading season. I had no idea there was such a thing. People hunt with muskets?

LOL By longarm I meant rifle or shotgun. As opposed to sidearm.

[ErrinSpelling]

Did he actually say that? Dirt, gas and...I mean earth, wind, and fire?

yes he really did....
they were saying GR did check his arrests..8/29.05
3 counts of controlled substances.
xanax & possibly morphene?
i thought yall were joking about the xanax.

[javahog]

LOL By longarm I meant rifle or shotgun. As opposed to sidearm.

Okay, city girl here, not much use for "longarms", but a 9mm Glock, another story, lol!

[lorettalockhorn]

Craig doesn't know why Misty was so tired, Craig's source has heard the same story about Misty being out of the house that night. Misty was out of the house between 7:30-9pm doing drugs, he has an eye witness. She went back to the house and staged the break-in. (I though LE says there was not a break-in?)

Coming back for more and the Anthony/Bozo case after the break.

[Amy]

i'm so dumb,i don't even know an arch is,even though i've heard the word forever.:hat:

It's a little hard to explain, but did find a picture

http://www.google.com/search?q=foot+arch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[lorettalockhorn]

i don't think GR helped her being found alive, after his stupid informant question,if that has anything to do with why she was taken.

Back to this, if Ron is an informant and that's the reason for the abduction, I'm not sure that GR's announcement would cause the kidnappers to kill Haleigh after all this time, but more likely soon after she was taken and when/if RC didn't comply with their demands. I think there's a reason that he commented last night that he believes Haleigh is alive until they find her.

[Amy]

you know how you just picture things in your head..i never read what she did exactly.

Me neither--just that she worked for the police or sheriff office--heck, can't even remember which. I guess, since it didn't say officer I just assumed (and we know what that makes me!! lol) dispatcher.

[ErrinSpelling]

I did see Jose, but didn't catch the convo. I'm watching the rerun of last night. Ron's referring to Haleigh as "my child". He is calling spanking discipline rather than corporal punishment. Geraldo calls the confrontation unpleasant but necessary. He cites the denials about drug use. Brother Craig has the records. Three counts of a controlled substance with no prescription in 2005. Xanax and according to Crystal, morphine. Ooh He's talking about Misty being exhausted from a long weekend being the reason that she slept so soundly.

well i wasn't listening either, but now he is really talking trying to prove it was 2003, not 2008, because casey wasn't near the home...so what, it could have been brought to the house in the bag from the boyfriend or casey carried it....i will have no opinion, until they show what is before or after...

but i thought of you, when ron kept saying my child & not haleigh, like a narcissist & looking mean...i never saw him look so evil, before he met GR.

[Amy]

cleaning is possible..now we really have to find out, what she does do.

I tho't about that, too. But there had been posts about his mom possibly having an influence on his getting out of arrests or convictions or whatever. Surely the cleaning staff wouldn't have that much influence?

[lorettalockhorn]

Talk about the injunction for domestic violence, when Cummings was arrested for drugs he was found to be in violation of the order of protection. Oh Lord, Jose is acting as an expert and explaining the stay away order. Too bad Caylee didn't have one against her Fmother.

Geraldo commenting about Ron's circle of friends. All the leads, blah, blah, blah, they're going to end up with the inner circle around Haleigh. Why haven't they put pressure on Cummings by arresting him for statutory rape? (!!!!!) Jose thinks that after all leads are exhausted, LE will focus on the family and he will be arrested for statutory rape as leverage.

[lorettalockhorn]

I tho't about that, too. But there had been posts about his mom possibly having an influence on his getting out of arrests or convictions or whatever. Surely the cleaning staff wouldn't have that much influence?

*Insert dirty joke here*

[ErrinSpelling]

Craig doesn't know why Misty was so tired, Craig's source has heard the same story about Misty being out of the house that night. Misty was out of the house between 7:30-9pm doing drugs, he has an eye witness. She went back to the house and staged the break-in. (I though LE says there was not a break-in?)

Coming back for more and the Anthony/Bozo case after the break.
:confused::eek:

i was reading, not listening.

[lorettalockhorn]

well i wasn't listening either, but now he is really talking trying to prove it was 2003, not 2008, because casey wasn't near the home...so what, it could have been brought to the house in the bag from the boyfriend or casey carried it....i will have no opinion, until they show what is before or after...

but i thought of you, when ron kept saying my child & not haleigh, like a narcissist & looking mean...i never saw him look so evil, before he met GR.

He's Jealous of Geraldo's mustache.

[lorettalockhorn]

:confused::eek:

i was reading, not listening.

LMAO Thank goodness for youtube!

[javahog]

Talk about the injunction for domestic violence, when Cummings was arrested for drugs he was found to be in violation of the order of protection. Oh Lord, Jose is acting as an expert and explaining the stay away order. Too bad Caylee didn't have one against her Fmother.

Geraldo commenting about Ron's circle of friends. All the leads, blah, blah, blah, they're going to end up with the inner circle around Haleigh. Why haven't they put pressure on Cummings by arresting him for statutory rape? (!!!!!) Jose thinks that after all leads are exhausted, LE will focus on the family and he will be arrested for statutory rape as leverage.

Great. So now Geraldo is helping Baez by letting him act like an expert so he has a demo reel to start his dream career in legal tv.

Seeing the two of them nuzzling shoulders was really drawing the bile to my throat...

[ErrinSpelling]

Back to this, if Ron is an informant and that's the reason for the abduction, I'm not sure that GR's announcement would cause the kidnappers to kill Haleigh after all this time, but more likely soon after she was taken and when/if RC didn't comply with their demands. I think there's a reason that he commented last night that he believes Haleigh is alive until they find her.

i'm not sure either.i started to write that last night & stopped ..maybe i have seen too many law & order episodes,mannix, barnaby jones,burn notice.that must be my problem.

[Amy]

oh it's like tennessee time,thank-you again...the things i have learned from you today...
i am afraid he is going to blame that rumour, about misty & the 3 day bender, as having a lot to do with the disappearance.

But how could a rumor that came out AFTER Haleigh disappeared have anything to do with it?

[ErrinSpelling]

Great. So now Geraldo is helping Baez by letting him act like an expert so he has a demo reel to start his dream career in legal tv.

Seeing the two of them nuzzling shoulders was really drawing the bile to my throat...

i'm passing you my nexium,to stop the burning.

[lorettalockhorn]

i'm not sure either.i started to write that last night & stopped ..maybe i have seen too many law & order episodes,mannix, barnaby jones,burn notice.that must be my problem.

Aren't most victims who are ultimately murdered killed within hours of being taken?

I don't think the danger of Geraldo's allegation is to Haleigh; it's to Ron (at this point).

[ErrinSpelling]

But how could a rumor that came out AFTER Haleigh disappeared have anything to do with it?

i'm ten pages behind, so i'm working backwords now...
i called it a rumour . b/c there is no proof, that misty was away for 3 days, * ron dragged her back & this has something to do with what happened.

[Amy]

Crystal's mother might need someone to explain her own background (this whole family needs a publicist!), but the Sheffield's seem pretty honest to me when it comes to Haleigh's having gone missing.

It's a crying shame that LE would have to put together a 30 day timeline to get at the truth here, but there you have it. I think Ron and Misty know much much more than they're saying, and I think it's very likely that they had been threatened before Haleigh was taken and didn't meet some sort of deadline that resulted in her abduction.

I remember an interview (can't remember which one, tho) where Crystal was talking about the layout of the mobile home--as to where the bed(s) would be and I think it was in reference to how could Misti not have heard anything. Then, come to find out, Crystal never lived in that house (unless she and Ron lived in it prior to his moving to his mom's) because Ron and Misti had only lived there 3 weeks. So, there is a little problem with making something up to make Ron and Misti come in a worse light.

Maybe MISTI was the object of the threat, and she had left the house for whatever reason, blocking the door open so she could get back in--and when the one who threatened didn't fine HER there, took Haleigh instead?

[ErrinSpelling]

Aren't most victims who are ultimately murdered killed within hours of being taken?

I don't think the danger of Geraldo's allegation is to Haleigh; it's to Ron (at this point).

so if GR caused any harm,it was to ron.ok...that is logical.

[ErrinSpelling]

He's Jealous of Geraldo's mustache.

:D that's hilarious.

[javahog]

so if GR caused any harm,it was to ron.ok...that is logical.

Maybe that is how Geraldo is going to pay society back for his misdeeds, go around implying on the air that anyone with a drug background is an informant, thereby cutting down on drug arrests, but raising the murder rate...

[Amy]

i don't think GR helped her being found alive, after his stupid informant question,if that has anything to do with why she was taken.

I'm betting that she hasn't been alive since shortly after her abduction--it's not like there has been any kind of ransom note. And, since police have swarmed on scene since 3:30am the day of her disappearance, there is no way an abductor would have tried to just return her, IMO. I don't see any Mitchell (can't remember his first name) type of religious nuts in the area who would abduct her for part of his harem like Elizabeth Smart. So, I don't think Geraldo's informant questions would have had any affect on her fate. IMO

[ErrinSpelling]

Talk about the injunction for domestic violence, when Cummings was arrested for drugs he was found to be in violation of the order of protection. Oh Lord, Jose is acting as an expert and explaining the stay away order. Too bad Caylee didn't have one against her Fmother.

Geraldo commenting about Ron's circle of friends. All the leads, blah, blah, blah, they're going to end up with the inner circle around Haleigh. Why haven't they put pressure on Cummings by arresting him for statutory rape? (!!!!!) Jose thinks that after all leads are exhausted, LE will focus on the family and he will be arrested for statutory rape as leverage.

i'm glad jose has time, to be a talking head expert for this case.that is interesting.whatever finds haleigh.

[Nawny]

They're not sandals (which I FHATE on men! UGH mandals), but they're comfy; got a pair for My Little Love for Christmas, and they donate a pair for each pair bought:

http://tomsshoes.com/

Java, thanks for the heads up about Naot. Found a link:

http://www.naot.com/index.html


That was a beautiful link loretta! I just bought my seven weebles a cute pair of Tom's shoes. I bought nawny a pair too. I sent the link to everyone on my mailing list.

Ahem, Jav, you just cost poppa money too, with your Naot info. :punch: (Ya got me started now with the shoes) I'm weak.

:hat:

[Amy]

Craig doesn't know why Misty was so tired, Craig's source has heard the same story about Misty being out of the house that night. Misty was out of the house between 7:30-9pm doing drugs, he has an eye witness. She went back to the house and staged the break-in. (I though LE says there was not a break-in?)

Coming back for more and the Anthony/Bozo case after the break.

So, if she was back in the house by 9 pm, that was a long time for her to be "calm" about Haleigh not being there. I guess, she could have been "mellow" and not realized the direness of the situation--until she realized Ron probably wouldn't be so calm when he got home.

She said, "no one" can tell you I wasn't in the house, or something to that effect. My response to that was--if she was with anyone (and why would she leave the house to do drugs, if she was alone?) maybe "no one" could tell LE, but "someone" most surely could!!!! Wonder why in the world she would think that druggie friends wouldn't eventually rat her out?

[ErrinSpelling]

I remember an interview (can't remember which one, tho) where Crystal was talking about the layout of the mobile home--as to where the bed(s) would be and I think it was in reference to how could Misti not have heard anything. Then, come to find out, Crystal never lived in that house (unless she and Ron lived in it prior to his moving to his mom's) because Ron and Misti had only lived there 3 weeks. So, there is a little problem with making something up to make Ron and Misti come in a worse light.

Maybe MISTI was the object of the threat, and she had left the house for whatever reason, blocking the door open so she could get back in--and when the one who threatened didn't fine HER there, took Haleigh instead?

don't quote me on this, but is it possible, crystal saw the floorplan on myspace..i keep reading they have the floorplan there .

[javahog]

So, if she was back in the house by 9 pm, that was a long time for her to be "calm" about Haleigh not being there. I guess, she could have been "mellow" and not realized the direness of the situation--until she realized Ron probably wouldn't be so calm when he got home.

She said, "no one" can tell you I wasn't in the house, or something to that effect. My response to that was--if she was with anyone (and why would she leave the house to do drugs, if she was alone?) maybe "no one" could tell LE, but "someone" most surely could!!!! Wonder why in the world she would think that druggie friends wouldn't eventually rat her out?

Must have have harshed her mellow real good.

[Amy]

Great. So now Geraldo is helping Baez by letting him act like an expert so he has a demo reel to start his dream career in legal tv.

Seeing the two of them nuzzling shoulders was really drawing the bile to my throat...

Shouldn't Baez be in his office reading thru the latest doc dump? Don't tell me he has read it all, written down (or put on his computer) important points to investigate, or to read up on to point out as "junk science." Conferring with his "dream team" about the info so they can prepare for the trial of the century? Putting his "expert" 2 cents worth on another case isn't getting him ready for that trial!!!!!

[ErrinSpelling]

Maybe that is how Geraldo is going to pay society back for his misdeeds, go around implying on the air that anyone with a drug background is an informant, thereby cutting down on drug arrests, but raising the murder rate...

wow...so the taxpayers don't have to pay for the trials or jail of the people who would be arrested...but he then causes a new set of problems.......................

[Amy]

don't quote me on this, but is it possible, crystal saw the floorplan on myspace..i keep reading they have the floorplan there .

The thing is, in the interview, she was talking about when she lived there, which is when I found out (in response to a post I made about that) that she had never lived there.

[lorettalockhorn]

so if GR caused any harm,it was to ron.ok...that is logical.

Well, if Haleigh was taken as revenge for Cummings being an informant, the kidnappers already knew he was an informant. No need to wait for Geraldo to announce it. And if so, LE is looking at anyone that Cummings ratted out. (Or surveilling the local druggies while they go on a search to find Haleigh for themselves.) Someone could have been brought in to grab Haleigh and she could have been long gone before Misty even noticed she was missing.

[ErrinSpelling]

Shouldn't Baez be in his office reading thru the latest doc dump? Don't tell me he has read it all, written down (or put on his computer) important points to investigate, or to read up on to point out as "junk science." Conferring with his "dream team" about the info so they can prepare for the trial of the century? Putting his "expert" 2 cents worth on another case isn't getting him ready for that trial!!!!!

all i can think of is did he accomplish anything by saying the journal is from 2003, to all, or the few people ,who are not watching abc now?

[lorettalockhorn]

Must have have harshed her mellow real good.

Dude, Ron's a total buzz kill.

[Nawny]

Aren't most victims who are ultimately murdered killed within hours of being taken?

I don't think the danger of Geraldo's allegation is to Haleigh; it's to Ron (at this point).

I was thinking about these perps who kill soon after they abduct a child and noticed it is happening more often. I Wonder if the penalties now imposed on child molesters is the reason for the murders. I mean, there was a time when children kept the perp's secrets. Now days they are taught early to give them up. Perps know this. They also know the penalties. Am I thinking right?

Too many children are dying. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Shouldn't Baez be in his office reading thru the latest doc dump? Don't tell me he has read it all, written down (or put on his computer) important points to investigate, or to read up on to point out as "junk science." Conferring with his "dream team" about the info so they can prepare for the trial of the century? Putting his "expert" 2 cents worth on another case isn't getting him ready for that trial!!!!!

Yes, oh yes he should. He might want to review the heart sticker on the duct tape evidence, for instance.

[ErrinSpelling]

The thing is, in the interview, she was talking about when she lived there, which is when I found out (in response to a post I made about that) that she had never lived there.

ohhh, when she lived there, sorry i am going to fast to keep up, read, with the big boys & girls, not to mention the fast typers.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking about these perps who kill soon after they abduct a child and noticed it is happening more often. I Wonder if the penalties now imposed on child molesters is the reason for the murders. I mean, there was a time when children kept the perp's secrets. Now days they are taught early to give them up. Perps know this. They also know the penalties. Am I thinking right?

Too many children are dying. :rose:

Children (and adults) used to keep abusers' secrets, but seem to come forward more now. Or we hear about molestation more, or more people are trained to recognize the signs.

One of the reasons that I'm not for the death penalty for sexual offenders is because I think more children would be murdered; what's the perp got to lose? Is he any more likely to be caught for a killing than he is for a rape? I think it would make the victim more expendable. JMO

[ErrinSpelling]

Well, if Haleigh was taken as revenge for Cummings being an informant, the kidnappers already knew he was an informant. No need to wait for Geraldo to announce it. And if so, LE is looking at anyone that Cummings ratted out. (Or surveilling the local druggies while they go on a search to find Haleigh for themselves.) Someone could have been brought in to grab Haleigh and she could have been long gone before Misty even noticed she was missing.

people were saying taken as a drug payment, so i thought,if they hear this informant thing, now they will really murder, b/c they had no idea, until GR asked...but i see what you mean.

[lorettalockhorn]

The thing is, in the interview, she was talking about when she lived there, which is when I found out (in response to a post I made about that) that she had never lived there.

I've seen her say that she's never been inside. :shrug: I just assumed that her knowledge of the interior was from Haleigh being excited about her new room for instance and talking about the move and the new place.

[Nawny]

ohhh, when she lived there, sorry i am going to fast to keep up, read, with the big boys & girls, not to mention the fast typers.

I made a meatloaf sandwich while I wait for your posts Errin.. ;) I'll get out the Haterade too while I'm waiting. This case is a humdinger.

:beer::beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

people were saying taken as a drug payment, so i thought,if they hear this informant thing, now they will really murder, b/c they had no idea, until GR asked...but i see what you mean.

You would think that if a child was adbucted for payment she would soon be sold into slavery or killed. I mean, don't drug dealers and their minions have better things to do than entertain a five year old and keep her fed while they wait two weeks for Dad to cough up the payment? The only way it makes sense to me that they would keep her alive would be if Ron was a drug runner and was holding out, but actually had the money and would make the payment pronto.

[ErrinSpelling]

I made a meatloaf sandwich while I wait for your posts Errin.. ;) I'll get out the Haterade too while I'm waiting. This case is a humdinger.

:beer::beer:

:D..that was too funny ,i can't quit coughjing to type now.make another one.

[Nawny]

people were saying taken as a drug payment, so i thought,if they hear this informant thing, now they will really murder, b/c they had no idea, until GR asked...but i see what you mean.

Good point re: the media (GR) giving clues to the criminals.

[lorettalockhorn]

I made a meatloaf sandwich while I wait for your posts Errin.. ;) I'll get out the Haterade too while I'm waiting. This case is a humdinger.

:beer::beer:

mmmm Meatloaf. May I have one with horseradish? Please, pretty please? :hat:

[ErrinSpelling]

You would think that if a child was adbucted for payment she would soon be sold into slavery or killed. I mean, don't drug dealers and their minions have better things to do than entertain a five year old and keep her fed while they wait two weeks for Dad to cough up the payment? The only way it makes sense to me that they would keep her alive would be if Ron was a drug runner and was holding out, but actually had the money and would make the payment pronto.

my only knowledge is on general hospital, the mafia did entertain the one year old & change diapers, while bombs were going off.... but in real life, you are right.

[javahog]

I was thinking about these perps who kill soon after they abduct a child and noticed it is happening more often. I Wonder if the penalties now imposed on child molesters is the reason for the murders. I mean, there was a time when children kept the perp's secrets. Now days they are taught early to give them up. Perps know this. They also know the penalties. Am I thinking right?

Too many children are dying. :rose:

I don't think it is really more frequent, we just hear about it more. Adam Walsh and Kevin Collins, Polly Klaas, Michaela Garecht, etc were quite a while ago. Lots of children disappeared and were never found because there were no organized searches in the past, we just know what to do and look for now. LE knows how to read the signs and find the bad guys.

There was a lot of concern about increased punishment causing a higher murder rate (leave no witnesses) on the enactment of the 3 strikes law (Polly's Law) here in California. Not only did it not happen, it dropped...http://www.threestrikes.org/senatorchuck.html

[Nawny]

:D..that was too funny ,i can't quit coughjing to type now.make another one.

LOL!! It's late and we always get daffy on Sundays. (I speak mainly for myself ;)

I made a nice hot cup pf Kalahari Chocolatte Green Tea too and it's about to get spiked. Take your time Errin... it's gonna be along long night. :)

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

my only knowledge is on general hospital, the mafia did entertain the one year old & change diapers, while bombs were going off.... but in real life, you are right.

Oh General Mobspittle.

Announcer: Thanks for that weather update Sam Champion. We now return our veiwers to the regularly scheduled explosions, fires, mob wars and Sonny shooting at the sky. :rolleyes:

[ErrinSpelling]

Good point re: the media (GR) giving clues to the criminals.

the media (GR ) is giving clues to the criminals & not giving clues (NG & press through LE), to the public to help find the criminal(s).

[Nawny]

I don't think it is really more frequent, we just hear about it more. Adam Walsh and Kevin Collins, Polly Klaas, Michaela Garecht, etc were quite a while ago. Lots of children disappeared and were never found because there were no organized searches in the past, we just know what to do and look for now. LE knows how to read the signs and find the bad guys.

There was a lot of concern about increased punishment causing a higher murder rate (leave no witnesses) on the enactment of the 3 strikes law (Polly's Law) here in California. Not only did it not happen, it dropped...http://www.threestrikes.org/senatorchuck.html


Good points and info. Thank you Jav.

[Nawny]

the media (GR ) is giving clues to the criminals & not giving clues (NG & press through LE), to the public to help find the criminal(s).

Agree. The criminals watch TV.. exactly!

[Nawny]

Girls?! Any news on the Anthonys, beside their lawyer posing as a talking head?

[ErrinSpelling]

LOL!! It's late and we always get daffy on Sundays. (I speak mainly for myself ;)

I made a nice hot cup pf Kalahari Chocolatte Green Tea too and it's about to get spiked. Take your time Errin... it's gonna be along long night. :)

:seeya:

:seeya:boy that tea sounds good danagher!

[ErrinSpelling]

Oh General Mobspittle.

Announcer: Thanks for that weather update Sam Champion. We now return our veiwers to the regularly scheduled explosions, fires, mob wars and Sonny shooting at the sky. :rolleyes:

i will have to watch for sonny shooting at the sky.now he has a good name.if i was a male poster,i would be maurice grrenberg or something like that.

[Nawny]

mmmm Meatloaf. May I have one with horseradish? Please, pretty please? :hat:

LOL!! I never tried it that way. Hmmm, I put relish on mine. It's a New England thing. :hat:

Now I have to get the crumbs out of the keyboard. Excuse me while I turn my laptop up side down... Close your eyes....


I'll be back ;)

[javahog]

Girls?! Any news on the Anthonys, beside their lawyer posing as a talking head?

Well, he does have a head...and it talks...but says the silliest things!

All I've got is Jose is claiming there was no sticker residue on the duct tape. Maybe he's right-he's pretty close to a source who would know all about the duct tape, imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

Girls?! Any news on the Anthonys, beside their lawyer posing as a talking head?

I checked the usual sites this morning and didn't see anything. When Jose was on Grr At Large tonight, he was arguing that the video of Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains wouldn't indicate conscience of guilt. Gee, play that video in conjunction to her saying earlier that Caylee's clothes hadn't even been found, and I think it might!

[Nawny]

i will have to watch for sonny shooting at the sky.now he has a good name.if i was a male poster,i would be maurice grrenberg or something like that.

If I were a male I would be gay. I love being a girl. But if I had to be a male, I'd be Mick O'Malley.

[lorettalockhorn]

i will have to watch for sonny shooting at the sky.now he has a good name.if i was a male poster,i would be maurice grrenberg or something like that.

SonnyShootsAtTheSky is one of my usernames on another board. :hat:

I usually refer to MB as St. Benard or Maurice deSade. He's such a hack and camera hog, and I cannot stand the stuttering and mumbling. Sheesh

[Nawny]

I checked the usual sites this morning and didn't see anything. When Jose was on Grr At Large tonight, he was arguing that the video of Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains wouldn't indicate conscience of guilt. Gee, play that video in conjunction to her saying earlier that Caylee's clothes hadn't even been found, and I think it might!

Yer damn right loretta! Actually your God damn right! Does he know his client is a psychopath?

Thanks for the heads up. :seeya: I was out most of the day.

[One2Snoop]

Transcripts of the Geraldo interview that turned confrontational
* By Deirdre Conner
* Story updated at 7:22 PM on Sunday, Feb. 22, 2009

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/transcripts_of_the_geraldo_interview_that_turned_c onfrontational

[ErrinSpelling]

If I were a male I would be gay. I love being a girl. But if I had to be a male, I'd be Mick O'Malley.

i want to stay a girl too...is he a boxer?

[ErrinSpelling]

SonnyShootsAtTheSky is one of my usernames on another board. :hat:

I usually refer to MB as St. Benard or Maurice deSade. He's such a hack and camera hog, and I cannot stand the stuttering and mumbling. Sheesh

really,you are !

is that really his name maurice benard?i hate to know those things.it spoils the show, for me.

[Nawny]

i want to stay a girl too...is he a boxer?

Haaaaaaaa!! No he's not a boxer. he's the priest in that old John Wayne movie. I forgot the name of it. Damn hagnog!
;)

[ErrinSpelling]

Haaaaaaaa!! No he's not a boxer. he's the priest in that old John Wayne movie. I forgot the name of it. Damn hagnog!
;)
lol...oh
google & i are not friends..it told me he was a featherweight,

[DrewBerry]

I did see Jose, but didn't catch the convo. I'm watching the rerun of last night. Ron's referring to Haleigh as "my child". He is calling spanking discipline rather than corporal punishment. Geraldo calls the confrontation unpleasant but necessary. He cites the denials about drug use. Brother Craig has the records. Three counts of a controlled substance with no prescription in 2005. Xanax and according to Crystal, morphine. Ooh He's talking about Misty being exhausted from a long weekend being the reason that she slept so soundly.

Yeah Loretta, I've heard him say "my child" several times rather than saying Haleigh's name---as if she is an object/possession of his. A true misogynist. What a crock of chit saying that DCF told him spanking his kids is an acceptable form of discipline---as if we're all going to believe that load of crap. This guy lies every time he opens his mouth. Now that Crystal and Ronald are feuding again, she's beginning to leak some truths.
My guess is that Misty is MIA since her last interrogation because she knows too much and she's been told if she continues to "tent it out" with Ronnie Rage he'll be jailed for statutory rape. OR, maybe she can't "sleep as soundly" in that tent city they've erected. JMO.

[Nawny]

lol...oh
google & i are not friends..it told me he was a featherweight,

LOL!LOL!LOL!!!! Here ya go. THe name of the movie is, The Quiet Man. John Wayne is the American Irishman who inherits a farm in Innisfree, and meets Mary Kate, falls in love with her and all hell breaks lose. Mick O'Malley is the drunken priest who plays match maker and he has the greatest time doing it. :)

You can catch it on utube in parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5BjMTVnNuE

Boy oh boy am I off topic! :punch: me.

[ErrinSpelling]

oh i can already hear NG tomorrow night..we are here at tent city, where we find tot mom's attorney.

[ErrinSpelling]

LOL!LOL!LOL!!!! Here ya go. THe name of the movie is, The Quiet Man. John Wayne is the American Irishman who inherits a farm in Innisfree, and meets Mary Kate, falls in love with her and all hell breaks lose. Mick O'Malley is the drunken priest who plays match maker and he has the greatest time doing it. :)

You can catch it on utube in parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5BjMTVnNuE

Boy oh boy am I off topic! :punch: me.

thank-you very much...the boxer was 31 & from australia...big difference.

[Nawny]

oh i can already hear NG tomorrow night..we are here at tent city, where we find tot mom's attorney.

LOL! Yep.

It's tough to get a straight story from these people and I hope like he11 the media doesn't land on them too long, because it will be a total waste of time. Poor Amy will be driven more crazy. ;)

Though I don't give too much to the idea that they are trash or ignorant and that those are the reasons for the criminal behavior or the missing child. I live 20 minutes away from Sonny Von Bulow. There was criminal behavior there too and damn, they were brilliant people with lots of money. That Dynasty was putrid.

The terrible things that happen in this world happen anywhere they want to. IMO

[Nawny]

Goodnight everyone! Nawny is sleepy... I hope we see Gator, Old Soul and all of you great posters here tomorrow.
I got the colors picked out for the parlor and dining room, so you know where I'll be. ;)


Sleep well, stay strong and happy.

Prayers for the children. . . :rose:

[ErrinSpelling]

LOL! Yep.

It's tough to get a straight story from these people and I hope like he11 the media doesn't land on them too long, because it will be a total waste of time. Poor Amy will be driven more crazy. ;)

Though I don't give too much to the idea that they are trash or ignorant and that those are the reasons for the criminal behavior or the missing child. I live 20 minutes away from Sonny Von Bulow. There was criminal behavior there too and damn, they were brilliant people with lots of money. That Dynasty was putrid.

The terrible things that happen in this world happen anywhere they want to. IMO
that's the truest statement i've ever seen.terrible things happen anywhere they want to...

[ErrinSpelling]

Goodnight everyone! Nawny is sleepy... I hope we see Gator, Old Soul and all of you great posters here tomorrow.
I got the colors picked out for the parlor and dining room, so you know where I'll be. ;)


Sleep well, stay strong and happy.

Prayers for the children. . . :rose:
:seeya:you too! nighty danagher.

[DrewBerry]

I checked the usual sites this morning and didn't see anything. When Jose was on Grr At Large tonight, he was arguing that the video of Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains wouldn't indicate conscience of guilt. Gee, play that video in conjunction to her saying earlier that Caylee's clothes hadn't even been found, and I think it might!

Yeah, and play that video when she's first arrested being brought in hand cuffs smiling at the camera wearing that little hoodie she bought at Target with her friend's check book. Also, she didn't look too distraught while partying and pole dancing. :flamemad:
Why does Bozo continue to go on camera and do these interviews. WTF!

[ErrinSpelling]

Yeah, and play that video when she's first arrested being brought in hand cuffs smiling at the camera wearing that little hoodie she bought at Target with her friend's check book. Also, she didn't look too distraught while partying and pole dancing. :flamemad:
Why does Bozo continue to go on camera and do these interviews. WTF!
and show what she's buying at target with the stolen checks...i wish they could show her taking caylee's money out of the bank, GA put there for caylee.

[Amy]

Yeah, and play that video when she's first arrested being brought in hand cuffs smiling at the camera wearing that little hoodie she bought at Target with her friend's check book. Also, she didn't look too distraught while partying and pole dancing. :flamemad:
Why does Bozo continue to go on camera and do these interviews. WTF!

Well, ya know that all this commotion about this little girl is taking headlines and NG time away from his client. Gotta keep that front and center, and if it takes going on Geraldo to pose as an "expert" whatever (cuz there is no "defense" here, yet, there not being an arrest) and, by the way, get in a few points about HIS client, well, a high profile lawyer's gotta do what a high profile lawyer's gotta do!!!!!

Oh, and don't forget those cute white big sunglasses!!! Bet the whole state of FL sold out of glasses like that once people saw her wearing them!!! :tongue:

[Native Alien]

I remember an interview (can't remember which one, tho) where Crystal was talking about the layout of the mobile home--as to where the bed(s) would be and I think it was in reference to how could Misti not have heard anything. Then, come to find out, Crystal never lived in that house (unless she and Ron lived in it prior to his moving to his mom's) because Ron and Misti had only lived there 3 weeks. So, there is a little problem with making something up to make Ron and Misti come in a worse light.

Maybe MISTI was the object of the threat, and she had left the house for whatever reason, blocking the door open so she could get back in--and when the one who threatened didn't fine HER there, took Haleigh instead?

I remember that interview as well Amy and there was one where she was asked about that and said that she was going by what Ron and Misti had told her.

[Native Alien]

Okay from the Geraldo Transcript, does anyone else find this a strange turn of a phrase?

"RONALD CUMMINGS : I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her. "

[Lodi]

Okay from the Geraldo Transcript, does anyone else find this a strange turn of a phrase?

"RONALD CUMMINGS : I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her. "

Sounds like something Yogi Berra might say.

Example: At a political convention, New York Mayor Lindsay's wife told Yogi Berra "You are certainly looking cool tonight" and Yogi replied "Thanks, you don't look so hot yourself"

[DrewBerry]

Okay from the Geraldo Transcript, does anyone else find this a strange turn of a phrase?

"RONALD CUMMINGS : I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her. "

YES indeedy!! Notice he never calls Haleigh by name. It's always my child or my daughter.

[DrewBerry]

Well, ya know that all this commotion about this little girl is taking headlines and NG time away from his client. Gotta keep that front and center, and if it takes going on Geraldo to pose as an "expert" whatever (cuz there is no "defense" here, yet, there not being an arrest) and, by the way, get in a few points about HIS client, well, a high profile lawyer's gotta do what a high profile lawyer's gotta do!!!!!

Oh, and don't forget those cute white big sunglasses!!! Bet the whole state of FL sold out of glasses like that once people saw her wearing them!!! :tongue:

Too funny, Amy! Yeah, I remember dumb ass glasses. She's a real fashion trend setter.;)

[wind149]

Well another LE perspective here. My friend who is a retired CO thinks Misti is lying through her teeth, he thinks the same as I that she left them alone based on the story changes. I told him what Mark Klaas had said about the truth never changes and he agreed. He also feels whoever did this knows the family or was scoping out the place, like a SO would. I am still wondering now that "Cousin Joe" has been ruled out if a SO is not hiding in that park and nobody has a clue. Case in point Couey, his scum sister covered his ass, who is to say that somebody in this park is not doing the same thinking they do not want to get their kinfolk in trouble??? Somebody who is as much of a scumbag like sister there??? This child is dead, 13 days now, and I agree with the posters here that pedophiles know the law in FL and after using the child as a sex toy then they have to kill them to cover up their crime like Couey did. But turning back to this here Clampet clan, I still can't fathom the granny being a dispatcher, she sounds too ignorant to be one and I can guess she did not get a HS diploma like it is required, I am leaning towards cleaning. I can't see a cleaning lady or anyone for that matter getting carte blanche from the Sheriff to "fix tickets" or expunge records that have already been generated such as the charges Ron has, i.e. the drug charges, restraining orders, traffic offenses such as DWI stay on permanently and can't be erased by anyone. The only time that might happen is a juvenile record which can be expunged on their 18th birthday. Ron has all adult charges but it would not surprise me much to find out he has a JV record too.

[javahog]

Well, ya know that all this commotion about this little girl is taking headlines and NG time away from his client. Gotta keep that front and center, and if it takes going on Geraldo to pose as an "expert" whatever (cuz there is no "defense" here, yet, there not being an arrest) and, by the way, get in a few points about HIS client, well, a high profile lawyer's gotta do what a high profile lawyer's gotta do!!!!!

Oh, and don't forget those cute white big sunglasses!!! Bet the whole state of FL sold out of glasses like that once people saw her wearing them!!! :tongue:

The best is where Gerry pulls Jose on camera and says he wasn't here to talk about Hayleigh, but he can answer questions because he "is such a good lawyer". And what convinced you of that, Geraldo? His successful defense record? His many years of experience? His dignity, composure, and eloquence? The fact that he speaks Spanish?

Geraldo looked like a fool saying that, imo.

[ErrinSpelling]

Well another LE perspective here. My friend who is a retired CO thinks Misti is lying through her teeth, he thinks the same as I that she left them alone based on the story changes. I told him what Mark Klaas had said about the truth never changes and he agreed. He also feels whoever did this knows the family or was scoping out the place, like a SO would. I am still wondering now that "Cousin Joe" has been ruled out if a SO is not hiding in that park and nobody has a clue. Case in point Couey, his scum sister covered his ass, who is to say that somebody in this park is not doing the same thinking they do not want to get their kinfolk in trouble??? Somebody who is as much of a scumbag like sister there??? This child is dead, 13 days now, and I agree with the posters here that pedophiles know the law in FL and after using the child as a sex toy then they have to kill them to cover up their crime like Couey did. But turning back to this here Clampet clan, I still can't fathom the granny being a dispatcher, she sounds too ignorant to be one and I can guess she did not get a HS diploma like it is required, I am leaning towards cleaning. I can't see a cleaning lady or anyone for that matter getting carte blanche from the Sheriff to "fix tickets" or expunge records that have already been generated such as the charges Ron has, i.e. the drug charges, restraining orders, traffic offenses such as DWI stay on permanently and can't be erased by anyone. The only time that might happen is a juvenile record which can be expunged on their 18th birthday. Ron has all adult charges but it would not surprise me much to find out he has a JV record too.

i don't know what her job is, but it is a small town, what if she went to school with people in the sheriff's office, was friends for years,with their wives,or something.

i just for the first time, had probably a dumb idea of what i hope didn't happen, after watching the youtube greta interview , with captions now...
it sounded like ron & misty said they never used the back door.then a few minutes later, misty tells greta she used it sometimes to take trash out...

if she left that door open & was in a not so wonderful frame of mind, let's say..haleigh could have gone out,when it was light...i came up with this . b/c i am remembering ,in the beginning, LE saying,imo, dogs tracked her scent to the water.

[ErrinSpelling]

The best is where Gerry pulls Jose on camera and says he wasn't here to talk about Hayleigh, but he can answer questions because he "is such a good lawyer". And what convinced you of that, Geraldo? His successful defense record? His many years of experience? His dignity, composure, and eloquence? The fact that he speaks Spanish?

Geraldo looked like a fool saying that, imo.

he did look foolish.he needs to be on the side of truth, justice...

[javahog]

O/T MARION COUNTY, MisS MASS ESCAPE OF PRISONERS! LOCK DOWN IF YOU ARE THERE!

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9889268

[ErrinSpelling]

O/T MARION COUNTY, MisS MASS ESCAPE OF PRISONERS! LOCK DOWN IF YOU ARE THERE!

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9889268

that's *one* reason i think murderers should get the death penalty..it should never happen & i don't know how often it does, but when i was in charleston, a few years ago,greta announced twice,it happened in s.c. ,just within a few months, & a 3rd time in another state.

[lorettalockhorn]

O/T MARION COUNTY, MisS MASS ESCAPE OF PRISONERS! LOCK DOWN IF YOU ARE THERE!

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9889268

Scary! Do we know how they managed to escape?

[beachbum]

Scary! Do we know how they managed to escape?

Article said they bore a hole thru the concret wall.

[lorettalockhorn]

Article said they bore a hole thru the concret wall.

Thanks bb, I couldn't see it for looking at it. :punch: Good thing I'm not a jailer. :punch:

[ErrinSpelling]

i don't know what her job is, but it is a small town, what if she went to school with people in the sheriff's office, was friends for years,with their wives,or something.

i just for the first time, had probably a dumb idea of what i hope didn't happen, after watching the youtube greta interview , with captions now...
it sounded like ron & misty said they never used the back door.then a few minutes later, misty tells greta she used it sometimes to take trash out...

if she left that door open & was in a not so wonderful frame of mind, let's say..haleigh could have gone out,when it was light...i came up with this . b/c i am remembering ,in the beginning, LE saying,imo, dogs tracked her scent to the water.

i should have said i only said haleigh could have gone out in the light, b/c they said she was afraid of the dark, and i am discounting that misty put her to bed at 8, because of the way everyone is telling mistruths, at this point..we don't even really know, if she was afraid of the dark.i am wondering if misty is purposely telling lies now, or she can't really remember anything & she is guessing, but that is still lying.
crystal is the only person, i will believe now, because she admitted to using drugs & i don't think she is trying to be mean,i think GR is in her face & telling her to say everything, that this will find her child..is she supposed to lie.he & NG were the one's asking her the questions.

[beachbum]

Thanks bb, I couldn't see it for looking at it. :punch: Good thing I'm not a jailer. :punch:

Your welcome Loretta--prob should say this on the Caylee sight but I love
that sweet little picture of her with her dolly. She looks so important to me
in that one for some reason. God bless these children.

[wind149]

Yeah, we don't even know what time Misti put them to bed, she could be lying about that too like I think she is lying about everything else, the truth never changes if it is indeed the truth, you don't waver, you tell the detective on Monday the same story you told a detective on Sunday, not change it three times but what you expect out of trash like this??? A 17 year old girl, dumber than a stump taking care of a 25 year old loser's young children, accident waiting to happen.

[Molly3]

I'm still wondering about that pervert who's been missin since Feb.1.

This child went missing on Feb. 10th, I believe. Perfect timing, seems to me,
for a Perv to plan his deeds.

I've been reading here along with you kids for days. Couldn't talk with ya
because my account didn't work. My Nepphie hooked me up and I'm back.
hehhhee.

Another beautiful child up and gone. We have such a heart break of these
cases.

[Molly3]

I think the family lifestyle contributed greatly to this child being vunerable.

Such a real shame.

IIRC, that perv who disappeared on the 1st had a track record of molesting
children in mobile homes, entering in the middle of the night, etc. More than one
time conviction I think. Can't find the link about him right now.

Anyway, he hasn't turned up yet that I know of and neither has the child.

[Justice Denied?]

Errin, I don't think that at this point in reality they are going to find that child alive. It has been way to long. I will agree with whoever said that it will be a miracle at this point if they find a body.

Is this the area of FL that has alligators? I know there was a lot of talk in the Duckett and Anthony cases that that would be a good way to dispose of a body. Horrible to think about though.

[Native Alien]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18776448/detail.html

2 Weeks Into Hunt For Haleigh, Police Have Nothing To Report
Putnam Deputies Ban Fox News' Geraldo Rivera From Satsuma Scene

POSTED: Monday, February 23, 2009
UPDATED: 1:33 pm EST February 23, 2009

PALATKA, Fla. -- One of the rituals that has defined life in Putnam County since 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared Feb. 10 continues, but another has ended.

For 13 nights, Haleigh's family and friends hold candlelight vigils praying for her return. Some evenings, the whole family has come together. Sunday, like many other nights, Haleigh's mother and father held separate observances.

But another ritual -- a daily new briefing by the Putnam County Sheriff's Office -- didn't happen Sunday, and officials said no briefing is planned for Monday.

Dozens of county detectives, along with agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI, continue working their way through 1,600 tips that have come in about Haleigh's disappearance. Deputies are seen coming and going from the Satsuma neighborhood where Haleigh disappeared.

While the official ground searches were suspended, volunteers on horseback spent the weekend looking for the missing kindergartner around the Satsuma home where Haleigh lived with her father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

The family is trying to keep the focus on the search and the investigation and not on the rumors and accusations involving both sides of the family.

On Saturday evening, that tension boiled over during an interview between Cummings and Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera.

When the controversial journalist brought up allegations of abuse, Cummings said he "never, ever have I ever hit my child."

"Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF (Florida Department of Children and Families) says that you can take care of disciplining your children," Cummings said in the Fox interview.

When Rivera continued pressing Cummings with allegations he hit Sheffield when she was pregnant with Haleigh, used illegal drugs and told someone he was "75 percent sure" he knew know took Haleigh, the property owners told Rivera to leave and Putnam County deputies were called.

Rivera was issued a warning that if he would be charged with trespassing if he returned, according to the Putnam County incident report.

While neither of Haleigh's parents would speak to the media after the incident, Haleigh's maternal grandmother wasn't surprised at the confrontation between the family and Rivera.

"I knew it was going to fester and explode," Marie Griffis told Channel 4 on Sunday.

Griffis then turned the focus to where both sides of the family want it to be: "Whoever has Haleigh, just bring her home."

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

The reward for information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts and/or the conviction of the perpetrator of any crimes involving stands at $20,000.

[Justice Denied?]

Great. So now Geraldo is helping Baez by letting him act like an expert so he has a demo reel to start his dream career in legal tv.

Seeing the two of them nuzzling shoulders was really drawing the bile to my throat...

You and me, too. I definitely need some nausea pills. That's exactly what G was trying to do - present Bozo as some sort of legal expert.:D:biggrin::D

[lighthousedazy]

Is this the area of FL that has alligators? I know there was a lot of talk in the Duckett and Anthony cases that that would be a good way to dispose of a body. Horrible to think about though.JD, I am almost positive that there are alligators in that area in the creeks, swamps and rivers. I know that they are in S Georgia and as far north as Central Georgia now. jmo

[Justice Denied?]

Me neither--just that she worked for the police or sheriff office--heck, can't even remember which. I guess, since it didn't say officer I just assumed (and we know what that makes me!! lol) dispatcher.

I may be mistaken, but I am almost positive that I heard or read somewhere that she IS a dispatcher. I remember because I kept trying to imagine her accent coming across over 911.

[Justice Denied?]

i'm passing you my nexium,to stop the burning.

Bless you, my child. Another star in your halo.

[Justice Denied?]

i'm glad jose has time, to be a talking head expert for this case.that is interesting.whatever finds haleigh.

Now there's an expert I want to listen to - one with 3 yrs experience with DUIs and Soliciting for Prostitution cases. :D

[wind149]

Justice! Holy crap she is a dispatcher? The woman can't put two words together that don't speak of bad grammar and they let her get on a radio??? I had to use radio protocol at all times, I could not be familiar, in other words call the deputies by name I had to use their call number, I could never say "Hey ya'll head out to Highway 5, you are fixing to have a car wreck, seems like Bubba Smith done cracked up his F-150 right near Carlie Sue's house and he ain't hurt none" Proper use of the radio would be, " Dispatch to 147, 145, 143, 10-76 to Highway 5 in the vicinity of Carla Sue Fagen's residence for 10-50 with no PI" which means no injury. Maybe they do things different in that neck of the woods, but I did copy loud and clear the officers that were responding to the call and they used radio protocol completely, even used the same 10 codes and Zulo codes. 911 operator raises them on the radio and advises that they have a 5 Whiskey Foxtrot (5 year old white female) that is missing from a residence and they advise the operator that they were 76 that way, I heard total radio protocol so maybe she works for the Satsuma police and they can do things their way maybe like Mayberry PD.

[Justice Denied?]

Justice! Holy crap she is a dispatcher? The woman can't put two words together that don't speak of bad grammar and they let her get on a radio??? I had to use radio protocol at all times, I could not be familiar, in other words call the deputies by name I had to use their call number, I could never say "Hey ya'll head out to Highway 5, you are fixing to have a car wreck, seems like Bubba Smith done cracked up his F-150 right near Carlie Sue's house and he ain't hurt none" Proper use of the radio would be, " Dispatch to 147, 145, 143, 10-76 to Highway 5 in the vicinity of Carla Sue Fagen's residence for 10-50 with no PI" which means no injury. Maybe they do things different in that neck of the woods, but I did copy loud and clear the officers that were responding to the call and they used radio protocol completely, even used the same 10 codes and Zulo codes. 911 operator raises them on the radio and advises that they have a 5 Whiskey Foxtrot (5 year old white female) that is missing from a residence and they advise the operator that they were 76 that way, I heard total radio protocol so maybe she works for the Satsuma police and they can do things their way maybe like Mayberry PD.

I can't be sure she is a dispatcher. Maybe I just assumed that on my own as she works for LE. Please don't quote me on it.

[Mojo]

Haleigh Cumming's little brother says man in black took his sister
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime...ook-his-sister



Police Follow Tips In Day 12 Of Haleigh Investigation

http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html


"Girlfriend" Misty Croslin Under Police Suspicion In Haleigh Cummings Disappearance

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsSt...d=77156&cat=19

That answers one question I had. Nobody had ever mentioned if anyone had spoken to Junior. He was there and might have seen or heard something and would know if the girlfriend was up to no good.
Does anyone know why everyone sleeps in one room? What is wrong with the other two bedrooms? Just curious.

[Molly3]

That answers one question I had. Nobody had ever mentioned if anyone had spoken to Junior. He was there and might have seen or heard something and would know if the girlfriend was up to no good.
Does anyone know why everyone sleeps in one room? What is wrong with the other two bedrooms? Just curious.


That second link didn't work for me. What did it say about Junior?

[wind149]

I wondered too if Junior had heard or seen anything and the only info I got was he said it was a man in black which means absolutely nothing if the child did not recognize the person and keep in mind he is four. I am still thinking that Misti is lying and we do not have confirmation from LE as to what they discussed with her and whether or not they believe her crap stories, we also do not know for certain whether she really passed the polygraph, can't take her word for it!!! Also, if they made her take a second one, I will venture a guess that they do not believe her, because as a rule, they make someone take one to either rule them out or number one suspect, very rarely, have I seen where they administrated a second one unless they have doubts and will put the questions to her differently, such as they asked her about the three of them in bed, and the next test they ask her if she is SURE that all of them were in the same bed, if this story is not true, she will get nervous and it will show up on the test as being deceptive or inconclusive and I am thinking this is what has gone down.

[ErrinSpelling]

That answers one question I had. Nobody had ever mentioned if anyone had spoken to Junior. He was there and might have seen or heard something and would know if the girlfriend was up to no good.
Does anyone know why everyone sleeps in one room? What is wrong with the other two bedrooms? Just curious.

i have no idea, but these are some of the answers i have seen to that question:
the a/c man was there, so maybe the heat was broken & they were just keeping that one room warm somehow....or too expensive to heat entire place..
or children are afraid , so some families like to sleep together, in the same room.:shrug:

[wind149]

Mike Brooks just said the exact same thing I have been pondering, why would LE make Misti take another polygraph unless they got a deception hit on the first test?? He said the same thing, I did, very rarely does this happen and it gives him pause for cause as well. As for the mud slinging between the camps here, he also wonders with the record Ron has, especially the drug charges and the possession charge without a script was for morphine and also was in possession of a syringe so was he banging it and why did DCF allow this man to have custody? Also a talking head finally speaks his mind and calls this clan low-lifes with low-life friends and could this be a factor in Haleigh's disappearance?? Well it probably does not help it any, especially if some drug buddy took the child. Notice Ron tells Geraldo that he spanks Haleigh on her behind? As far as I know, CPS here does not encourage any physical contact, more like time-outs and taking away the video games or what-not, not wailing on their butts!! Can I see him hitting Haleigh, well yeah! Mike also pointed it out that he violated a restraining order, presumably on Crystal or maybe some other woman??? So we know this much. Both parents have drug charges on them, he has domestic violence charges as well. What has these poor children been exposed to? If Haleigh comes back, CPS needs to snap these kids and do not even let kinfolk have them, these people are unfit as parents.

[Lodi]

I wondered too if Junior had heard or seen anything and the only info I got was he said it was a man in black which means absolutely nothing if the child did not recognize the person and keep in mind he is four. I am still thinking that Misti is lying and we do not have confirmation from LE as to what they discussed with her and whether or not they believe her crap stories, we also do not know for certain whether she really passed the polygraph, can't take her word for it!!! Also, if they made her take a second one, I will venture a guess that they do not believe her, because as a rule, they make someone take one to either rule them out or number one suspect, very rarely, have I seen where they administrated a second one unless they have doubts and will put the questions to her differently, such as they asked her about the three of them in bed, and the next test they ask her if she is SURE that all of them were in the same bed, if this story is not true, she will get nervous and it will show up on the test as being deceptive or inconclusive and I am thinking this is what has gone down.

As I recall, in one of her first media statements, Misty made a point of saying "I couldn't be still yesterday, I couldn't stop moving." I think she was referring to when she took her first polygraph. You can't continue to move when taking one and i'm sure they told her that.

[ErrinSpelling]

Mike Brooks just said the exact same thing I have been pondering, why would LE make Misti take another polygraph unless they got a deception hit on the first test?? He said the same thing, I did, very rarely does this happen and it gives him pause for cause as well. As for the mud slinging between the camps here, he also wonders with the record Ron has, especially the drug charges and the possession charge without a script was for morphine and also was in possession of a syringe so was he banging it and why did DCF allow this man to have custody? Also a talking head finally speaks his mind and calls this clan low-lifes with low-life friends and could this be a factor in Haleigh's disappearance?? Well it probably does not help it any, especially if some drug buddy took the child. Notice Ron tells Geraldo that he spanks Haleigh on her behind? As far as I know, CPS here does not encourage any physical contact, more like time-outs and taking away the video games or what-not, not wailing on their butts!! Can I see him hitting Haleigh, well yeah! Mike also pointed it out that he violated a restraining order, presumably on Crystal or maybe some other woman??? So we know this much. Both parents have drug charges on them, he has domestic violence charges as well. What has these poor children been exposed to? If Haleigh comes back, CPS needs to snap these kids and do not even let kinfolk have them, these people are unfit as parents.

i was going to write that about that person brian who called ron a low-life, his girlfriend a low-life & their inner circle low-lifes..i don't know who brian is, but i was shocked he could say that on hln.

i really thought GR said there were charges 9/29 05 for 3 counts of controlledsubstanmces, but i didn't see that date in his records.

[lorettalockhorn]

i was going to write that about that person brian who called ron a low-life, his girlfriend a low-life & their inner circle low-lifes..i don't know who brian is, but i was shocked he could say that on hln.

i really thought GR said there were charges 9/29 05 for 3 counts of controlledsubstanmces, but i didn't see that date in his records.

The charge is 9/28 in a different county:

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608

Looks like the charges were dropped for some reason. hmmm

[ErrinSpelling]

The charge is 9/28 in a different county:

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608

Looks like the charges were dropped for some reason. hmmm

you are a genius,thank-you! sarasota..maybe the deer who saw him,with the drugs dropped the charges,if he promised not to hunt.

brian russel /forensic psychologist is on hln again now..i knew he was going to be a psychologist.

[lorettalockhorn]

you are a genius,thank-you! sarasota..maybe the deer who saw him,with the drugs dropped the charges,if he promised not to hunt.

brian russel /forensic psychologist is on hln again now..i knew he was going to be a psychologist.

Just a Yenta!

Watching Prime News a few minutes behind you. Once again we have Cummings talking about the "Daddy-Daughter agreement". And spanking on the behind with DCF approval. I call Bullchit.

[lorettalockhorn]

Someone needs to call Mike Galanos and ask him to address the fact that all these charges against Cummings have been dropped!

[ErrinSpelling]

Just a Yenta!

Watching Prime News a few minutes behind you. Once again we have Cummings talking about the "Daddy-Daughter agreement". And spanking on the behind with DCF approval. I call Bullchit.

i am not sure if it was mike brooks & or someone else who said that dcf reports are not usually made public.

i have come up with a foolish way to make haleigh alive....maybe her great -grandmother unlocked the back door, when she was there , came back & took haleigh.what if she is a drug kingpin & misty & ron owed her money.
i can't think of anything else.:punch:

[lorettalockhorn]

i am not sure if it was mike brooks & or someone else who said that dcf reports are not usually made public.

i have come up with a foolish way to make haleigh alive....maybe her great -grandmother unlocked the back door, when she was there , came back & took haleigh.what if she is a drug kingpin & misty & ron owed her money.
i can't think of anything else.:punch:

Well, Mrs. Griffis has a drug record that looks like distribution, but not sure about great-granny. In fact, she strikes me as one of the more real players here. Sheesh It's so hard to tell with this group of folks.

Mike Brooks questioned if any of this information is pertinent to finding Haleigh, and at this point I disagree. If these charges against Cummings have been dropped because he's a narc, I would think it's very important (but maybe the public is not on need to know basis).

ETA: True dat about DCF investigations.

[ErrinSpelling]

Someone needs to call Mike Galanos and ask him to address the fact that all these charges against Cummings have been dropped!

i have been trying to remember who mike galanos is & now i see his name, on the tv.

[ErrinSpelling]

Well, Mrs. Griffis has a drug record that looks like distribution, but not sure about great-granny. In fact, she strikes me as one of the more real players here. Sheesh It's so hard to tell with this group of folks.

Mike Brooks questioned if any of this information is pertinent to finding Haleigh, and at this point I disagree. If these charges against Cummings have been dropped because he's a narc, I would think it's very important (but maybe the public is not on need to know basis).

ETA: True dat about DCF investigations.

everything is important,especially in this case, but you're right.they don't need to tell us, but they should tell us enough to help find haleigh, but how do they know what they need to tell,b/c who is telling the truth & what's important...it's too complicated...:confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Sheriff's Office: No New Leads In Search For Haleigh
Investigators Speak With Haleigh's Father Again

SATSUMA, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office canceled its daily news conference on Monday in the search for Haleigh Cummings.

The sheriff's office said it canceled the news conference because it had no new information or leads to share.

Haleigh, 5, was reported missing from her Satsuma home early in the morning of Feb. 10 by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, 17.

Despite the canceled news conference, investigators were still hard at work in Satsuma on Monday.

Investigators spoke with two people related to the case on Monday -- Haleigh's mother's fiancé, Chad Griffis, and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said Chad Griffis has nothing to hide. Marie Griffis is also Chad Griffis' stepmother...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

So technically Crystal is engaged to her step-brother. Is this The Bold And The Beautiful?

[ErrinSpelling]

i think a donor added 25,000 today to reward = 41,000.

[ErrinSpelling]

Sheriff's Office: No New Leads In Search For Haleigh
Investigators Speak With Haleigh's Father Again

SATSUMA, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office canceled its daily news conference on Monday in the search for Haleigh Cummings.

The sheriff's office said it canceled the news conference because it had no new information or leads to share.

Haleigh, 5, was reported missing from her Satsuma home early in the morning of Feb. 10 by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, 17.

Despite the canceled news conference, investigators were still hard at work in Satsuma on Monday.

Investigators spoke with two people related to the case on Monday -- Haleigh's mother's fiancé, Chad Griffis, and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said Chad Griffis has nothing to hide. Marie Griffis is also Chad Griffis' stepmother...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

So technically Crystal is engaged to her step-brother. Is this The Bold And The Beautiful?

wait a minute is this general hospital: crystal's fiance is her mother's stepson?

[lorettalockhorn]

i think a donor added 25,000 today to reward = 41,000.

YEA!!!!!! A donation that's NOT the Octo-Dad!!!!!!!!!

[ErrinSpelling]

YEA!!!!!! A donation that's NOT the Octo-Dad!!!!!!!!!
LOL

i didn't have to write that.i later saw it was in your wesh article.

[wind149]

I see LE's point of view, they have no solid leads to go by, they ground searched all they could, she has been entered into NCIC with what info that is solid like her description, age, possible weight and height, LSW which is last seen with, in this case Misti, and now it is a waiting game and it is anyone's guess as to where she is. I truly pray that she has not fell victim to somebody like that scumbag Couey and I have this nagging feeling that a SO had been crashing there and someone is protecting him like Couey's scum sister did. I wonder if LE has searched all the trailers in that park and if I know SO's they will not register or live where they are supposed to and look at Couey's PO. He had no clue that he was not living where he was supposed to and even worse had no idea he split to GA!!! Oh my, the truth is coming out. Mommy just admitted using cocaine with Ron, oh, but she stopped when she found out she was pregnant, what a pile of low life losers!! Maybe her drug use is the reason that Haleigh has health problems????

The boy I spoke about that was my ex-boyfriend's suffers from Alcohol Fetal Syndrome because his loser mother drank and did crack when she was pregnant with him and I betcha she still is sucking on a crack pipe and swilling away. She also had two other children taken from her, why is it that low-lifes like her and these people get to breed???? She tried periodically to get back custody of Derek for only one reason, she would get more money in her SSI check!!! She would call him and tell him that if he came to live with her that she would buy him a new ATV because he really wanted one and Kurt could not afford to buy him one and I told him, that his mother did not have a pot to piss in and that he would have nothing and certainly not love. I went to court in 2004 when she pulled her crap, she shows up late for the hearing, looking like she just rolled off a bender, wearing a grubby t-shirt and sweat pants and we are dressed in suits, and demanded the judge to give her custody because (GAG) she had changed!!! The judge, it was all she could do to hide her disgust, proceeded to tell this loser that there was no way that she was awarding custody to her and no visits either!!! She called the judge and us names and stormed out of the courtroom and Kurt has not heard from her since and neither has Derek!!! Now he is 18 and still he does not want anything to do with her. If Haleigh comes back, I hope CPS or DCF takes both of these poor kids away from either of them!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, JVM is picking up the theme that the accusations that Crystal is making are of not help to the search for Haleigh, and once again I disagree. His criminal background goes directly to the company he keeps and what may be a motive.

Someone (Drew Findley) points out that Cummings isn't making the same type of allegations toward Crystal. BFD He's the one (besides Misty) who has lied to the media and contradicted himself regarding the details of Haleigh's disappearance. I do agree that the judge's charge was to choose the lesser or two evils when it came to rewarding custody, but I think the judge erred.

[SuzDuJour]

Gee Errin, the only way I can watch O'R, is if someone will hold my hair while I hug the toilet. :hat:

Oh Loretta...I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe.

[wind149]

Loretta, oh wise one, that is a big 10-4!!! Their habits play a big factor in this case, and it could very well be a drug dealer pissed off at him, who knows??? That vicious gang the M-13's they kill anyone and their families for ratting them out and they will kill little children, they don't care. Now I am not saying he was involved in a gang, I see no evidence of that, but it could be a low-life he knows or maybe Crystal or even Misti????

[DrewBerry]

Mike Brooks just said the exact same thing I have been pondering, why would LE make Misti take another polygraph unless they got a deception hit on the first test?? He said the same thing, I did, very rarely does this happen and it gives him pause for cause as well. As for the mud slinging between the camps here, he also wonders with the record Ron has, especially the drug charges and the possession charge without a script was for morphine and also was in possession of a syringe so was he banging it and why did DCF allow this man to have custody? Also a talking head finally speaks his mind and calls this clan low-lifes with low-life friends and could this be a factor in Haleigh's disappearance?? Well it probably does not help it any, especially if some drug buddy took the child. Notice Ron tells Geraldo that he spanks Haleigh on her behind? As far as I know, CPS here does not encourage any physical contact, more like time-outs and taking away the video games or what-not, not wailing on their butts!! Can I see him hitting Haleigh, well yeah! Mike also pointed it out that he violated a restraining order, presumably on Crystal or maybe some other woman??? So we know this much. Both parents have drug charges on them, he has domestic violence charges as well. What has these poor children been exposed to? If Haleigh comes back, CPS needs to snap these kids and do not even let kinfolk have them, these people are unfit as parents.

ITA, Wind. Ronnie telling GR that CPS says "it's OK to spank his kids on the behind." What a load of crap. Did Ronnie actually go to parenting classes? Wonder if it was mandated by the court. I wonder how many times CPS has been to this home and if Crystal knew about it, why wasn't she fighting for custody? I can only imagine the chit these little ones have been exposed to.:flamemad:

[wind149]

Smack me up side my head!!! The man in black could very well be a reality!! Susan Moss on NG just hit on something big!!! A man dressed all in black, sounds like that was planned??? But one question remains. How did he get into the house? Sounds to me like he knows this family, he has been to the trailer, I am betting maybe the backdoor was not locked??? And the cinder block still bothers me? Another woman on NG says she is not ruling out a SO either and they will go through any length to get to a kid, Look at Couey, he scoped out that sweet child and the habits of her family and made his move. Now with 44 of them in that area, can cops confidently rule them all out?? I want to hope they did but what about my theory that one is in that park now and not one person has a clue including LE???? I was not impressed with the one cop who made it a point to say how many man power hours had already been used up on this case and I am like, so what?

What does that matter??? If you have to pay overtime, you pay it, the county will not deny these hours when you are trying to find a missing child that might already be dead???? If they are strapped for officers, ya ask the next county for help!!! Agencies are supposed to work with each other, I don't know how many times we helped VT state police or other local departments and they in turn helped us and I can tell you that everyone of my guys and gals would work tirelessly on a case like this, in fact, they would eat and breathe it!! Leaving no stone unturned. A talking head is talking about how the person gained entry, and that is the $64 question at this point. Maybe Ron thought he did lock the door, or Misti took off and left the door unlocked. I never used to lock my door until that home invasion happened in Cheshire CT, now both locks are flipped every night. I live in the boonies and I feel very safe, but it is that moment when you let your guard down is when it happens. What would answer a lot is if Junior knew somehow if Misti was even in the house when the man came in, he has not said so or they are not telling the public that.

[DrewBerry]

Well, JVM is picking up the theme that the accusations that Crystal is making are of not help to the search for Haleigh, and once again I disagree. His criminal background goes directly to the company he keeps and what may be a motive.

Someone (Drew Findley) points out that Cummings isn't making the same type of allegations toward Crystal. BFD He's the one (besides Misty) who has lied to the media and contradicted himself regarding the details of Haleigh's disappearance. I do agree that the judge's charge was to choose the lesser or two evils when it came to rewarding custody, but I think the judge erred.

Yes, BFD is right! Crystal's allegations are no doubt pretty damn true. Why shouldn't she spill the beans on Ronnie Boy if it gives LE more information about what goes on in that house. :flamemad:

[wind149]

Hey Drew, ya know it!! It is a load of crap and I am going to call CPS here tomorrow and ask them what the state mandates here, but I am confident that I am correct that butt wailing is unacceptable. These poor kids have been exposed to things no child should ever have to and I am questioning DCF down there as what difference does it make if he makes more money than she does? The guy has drug possession charges, domestic violence charges and they award custody to him?? They have done a disservice to these children IMO!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Drew, ya know it!! It is a load of crap and I am going to call CPS here tomorrow and ask them what the state mandates here, but I am confident that I am correct that butt wailing is unacceptable. These poor kids have been exposed to things no child should ever have to and I am questioning DCF down there as what difference does it make if he makes more money than she does? The guy has drug possession charges, domestic violence charges and they award custody to him?? They have done a disservice to these children IMO!

I'll tell you what bugs me about the "Daddy Daughter Agreement" and the spanking on the behind for discipline, is that spanking is corporal punishment. Miles away from discipline. DFS (DCF?) encourages punishment over discipline??

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew, ya know it!! It is a load of crap and I am going to call CPS here tomorrow and ask them what the state mandates here, but I am confident that I am correct that butt wailing is unacceptable. These poor kids have been exposed to things no child should ever have to and I am questioning DCF down there as what difference does it make if he makes more money than she does? The guy has drug possession charges, domestic violence charges and they award custody to him?? They have done a disservice to these children IMO!

I see it every day, judges making rotten decisions. My bias, but most "family court" judges where I live are middle aged white guys who don't have a clue about the cycle of abuse and how kids suffer from witnessing it. Most have not received adequate training or education in DV and the dynamics of abusive relationships. They know law but not relationships. JMO.

[Nawny]

I see it every day, judges making rotten decisions. My bias, but most "family court" judges where I live are middle aged white guys who don't have a clue about the cycle of abuse and how kids suffer from witnessing it. Most have not received adequate training or education in DV and the dynamics of abusive relationships. They know law but not relationships. JMO.


Talk about Judges? They like to party too and let's not even go there with police officers. Sometimes the decisions they make offer a barf bag. :flamemad: Of course we must remember the lawyers who give lies (no one can prove) instead of information.

Did I just make sense?

Anyway, some judges, not all, are responsible for the repeat offenders. Registered sex offenders have to do it again. It's their mission. They can't stop. I say string um up!

[Nawny]

I'll tell you what bugs me about the "Daddy Daughter Agreement" and the spanking on the behind for discipline, is that spanking is corporal punishment. Miles away from discipline. DFS (DCF?) encourages punishment over discipline??

It's better to get to the root of the kid's bad behavior than to spank. Sometimes the kid is "acting out" They do that when they're witnessing something that frightens them and oddly they go into bad behavior. I remember when I was a young mother and my son was 3 years old. He developed a fascination with matches. I found a vac bag full of them and almost fainted. I didn't spank him. I took him to see a kid shrink who video taped her sessions with him.

When I saw how he fibbed about the fire fetish, I wanted to flog him.(Believe meeeee!) He was a baby! I was terrified that he would grow up to be a pyromaniac! She assured me he wouldn't and asked me what was going on in my home at the time. I said, His grandpa died and we moved. Well, she thought that might be the reason he was "acting out"

He went on to college and majored in Calculus. :shrug:

[DrewBerry]

I'll tell you what bugs me about the "Daddy Daughter Agreement" and the spanking on the behind for discipline, is that spanking is corporal punishment. Miles away from discipline. DFS (DCF?) encourages punishment over discipline??

Loretta, I caught that "Daddy-Daughter" comment too. He's dumb as a box of rocks! No educated, ethical CPS caseworker would recommend corporal punishment. Maybe they do "in that neck of the woods" in FL but it's highly unlikely. Ronnie Boy is lying to cover his OWN behind. JMO.

[Native Alien]

To me, this just backs up what I have been thinking over the last few days.

All the leads are bringing LE right back to Ronald and Misti.

I really don't think that Chad had anything to do with this. One reason why would be that Haleigh would need to see a specialist for the Turner Syndrome that she has and that would mean getting her medical records transferred. LE knows this. They would be carefully following up with her endocrinologist.

[lorettalockhorn]

To me, this just backs up what I have been thinking over the last few days.

All the leads are bringing LE right back to Ronald and Misti.

I really don't think that Chad had anything to do with this. One reason why would be that Haleigh would need to see a specialist for the Turner Syndrome that she has and that would mean getting her medical records transferred. LE knows this. They would be carefully following up with her endocrinologist.

Agree. And after all the times that Ron and Misty have been interviewed and have taken the polygraph, LE still says everyone is a suspect.

Way behind watching NG, but they just had a segment where Crystal explained that Chad's speaking to LE today was about Ronald's comment "75% sure" who had Haleigh, and that he was referring to Cousin Joe.

In the meantime, Nancy continues to preach that there is no way that 17 year old Misty is pulling the wool over LE's eyes, and she seems to be incredulous that there is a problem with Cummings.

Crystal told Nancy tonight that she has been polygraphed, but didn't say when. She said the administrator said he thought she passed.

[wind149]

ITA! It does seem to come back to them doesn't it?? And Mommy would not win any awards from me either, but I don't think she and Chad are at the high point of the list that LE has. If she passed, she passed. As for Misti, I am dying to know if Junior knew at the time that Haleigh was taken whether or not she was in the house??? If she was, and he saw the man come in, why did he not wake her up by screaming or something?? And if she wasn't in the house, why did he not tell her when she came back in? I realize he is a small child and their perception of time is not going to be too clear, but something really stinks here now. I really think for sure she was not in the house when Haleigh was taken and I am almost positive that it is somebody these losers know, you get all dressed up in black? Now I am not saying a SO would not do that, they will go through any lengths to get to a kid, but I am really thinking that this is somebody that knows that house well and has an agenda.

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA! It does seem to come back to them doesn't it?? And Mommy would not win any awards from me either, but I don't think she and Chad are at the high point of the list that LE has. If she passed, she passed. As for Misti, I am dying to know if Junior knew at the time that Haleigh was taken whether or not she was in the house??? If she was, and he saw the man come in, why did he not wake her up by screaming or something?? And if she wasn't in the house, why did he not tell her when she came back in? I realize he is a small child and their perception of time is not going to be too clear, but something really stinks here now. I really think for sure she was not in the house when Haleigh was taken and I am almost positive that it is somebody these losers know, you get all dressed up in black? Now I am not saying a SO would not do that, they will go through any lengths to get to a kid, but I am really thinking that this is somebody that knows that house well and has an agenda.

Does anyone wonder why it was Haleigh who was taken and not Junior? Looks like he would be easier to carry/spirit away, if for no other reason that he weighs less. So if LE is looking at pedophiles, they're looking at those who prefer girls? Why else would the older, heavier (presumably), more talkative child be taken?

[Amy]

i don't know what her job is, but it is a small town, what if she went to school with people in the sheriff's office, was friends for years,with their wives,or something.

i just for the first time, had probably a dumb idea of what i hope didn't happen, after watching the youtube greta interview , with captions now...
it sounded like ron & misty said they never used the back door.then a few minutes later, misty tells greta she used it sometimes to take trash out...

if she left that door open & was in a not so wonderful frame of mind, let's say..haleigh could have gone out,when it was light...i came up with this . b/c i am remembering ,in the beginning, LE saying,imo, dogs tracked her scent to the water.

Things don't connect here (surprise, surprise.)

So, they don't use the back door. Ronald has said he doesn't go into the back yard, except maybe to wash the car. If the door isn't used, why would he say that he ALWAYS checks AND LOCKS the back door, makes sure the deadbolt is locked? If it isn't used, why would he have to lock it everyday before he goes to work? :shrug:

[Amy]

Justice! Holy crap she is a dispatcher? The woman can't put two words together that don't speak of bad grammar and they let her get on a radio??? I had to use radio protocol at all times, I could not be familiar, in other words call the deputies by name I had to use their call number, I could never say "Hey ya'll head out to Highway 5, you are fixing to have a car wreck, seems like Bubba Smith done cracked up his F-150 right near Carlie Sue's house and he ain't hurt none" Proper use of the radio would be, " Dispatch to 147, 145, 143, 10-76 to Highway 5 in the vicinity of Carla Sue Fagen's residence for 10-50 with no PI" which means no injury. Maybe they do things different in that neck of the woods, but I did copy loud and clear the officers that were responding to the call and they used radio protocol completely, even used the same 10 codes and Zulo codes. 911 operator raises them on the radio and advises that they have a 5 Whiskey Foxtrot (5 year old white female) that is missing from a residence and they advise the operator that they were 76 that way, I heard total radio protocol so maybe she works for the Satsuma police and they can do things their way maybe like Mayberry PD.

Now, THAT is funny!!!! Good thing I had swallowed my pop, or I'd be then next one waiting on a keyboard!!!!

[Amy]

That answers one question I had. Nobody had ever mentioned if anyone had spoken to Junior. He was there and might have seen or heard something and would know if the girlfriend was up to no good.
Does anyone know why everyone sleeps in one room? What is wrong with the other two bedrooms? Just curious.

The preacher who had lived there previously talked like the house wasn't in the best condition when he was there--maybe the other bedrooms aren't in good enough shape?

Or, possibly, Misti goes to sleep w/the kids until Ronald gets home (maybe Haleigh isn't the only one afraid of the dark?) and then they go to another room? Nah--Misti had to go out into the dark if she wasn't there when Haleigh was taken. Or, she had company to go out with her.

[Amy]

Well, JVM is picking up the theme that the accusations that Crystal is making are of not help to the search for Haleigh, and once again I disagree. His criminal background goes directly to the company he keeps and what may be a motive.

Someone (Drew Findley) points out that Cummings isn't making the same type of allegations toward Crystal. BFD He's the one (besides Misty) who has lied to the media and contradicted himself regarding the details of Haleigh's disappearance. I do agree that the judge's charge was to choose the lesser or two evils when it came to rewarding custody, but I think the judge erred.

It seems to me that if he had to choose the "lesser of 2 evils" perhaps the children would best have been served by being place in foster care, NOT to other "family" either.....and then which ever parent actually straightened up his/her life would get custody--with lots of DCF visits to keep an eye on the situation.

[ErrinSpelling]

Things don't connect here (surprise, surprise.)

So, they don't use the back door. Ronald has said he doesn't go into the back yard, except maybe to wash the car. If the door isn't used, why would he say that he ALWAYS checks AND LOCKS the back door, makes sure the deadbolt is locked? If it isn't used, why would he have to lock it everyday before he goes to work? :shrug:

to me it sounded like they both said they never used it & then a few minutes later she asked again & then they said they did...misty said she took the trash out that way sometimes...why would you take it out that way sometimes..does the trash can move?

i don't know why you would have to lock it everyday..maybe check the lock everyday,to make sure,especially if you have ocd..i remember once roseanne was on tv talking about checking locks many times a day.