Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[BeastofBears]

I totally think you are right about the landfill, Wind. Think how tiny a child's body is, hers especially because of her size, and then getting smaller from decomposition. She will never be found imo. She's in the trash :(

[Woostock]

Wind
the dogs hit on the dumpster early in the investigation. I have surmised that there was a good chance the body was there at one time. We may never know, unfortunately. I personally would not give a dime for anyone in her family. They are the low of the low; what horrible role models, as they do drugs, lie, end up in jail, sleep with the next body that comes along, ,,,,,,
and yet I have seen kids in similar situations who made it IN SPITE OF and not because of their so called parents

[lorettalockhorn]

You know how I have thought for months that Haleigh ended up in the landfill and isn't it eerie how that Clay County deputy thought to follow the trash so to speak and they were able to recover Somer's body? I am wondering after going in a trash compactor how viable it is, but I am hoping it wasn't destroyed enough where they are not able to obtain DNA? Now we know they KNOW the COD and we don't need anyone telling us that she was raped, these b*stards, it is their primary motive to sexually assault the child, they don't take them to have tea and crumpets and I think it is a "Couey" or a wanna be. Now Haleigh. was not taken by a SO, she is in the landfill, and that is why that skank Misty is so confident that her body will not be recovered and I am disgusted that right off, like Clay Co did, that they did not search the dumpsters? I know they were thinking live child, but everytime we had a missing kid or an adult, dumpsters were searched, woodsheds, even wells, and I have seen them drain ponds and streams and go out in the worst weather in deep forests and they searched till they were confident the person was not there, but Putnam is a yahoo dept and not capable to handling this case and why is the FBI not more involved??? The right cop has not come down the pike yet to crack Misty.

Now I am surprised that Misty has not flapped her lips and blames this unknown POS who has raped and murdered Somer, and I am even more amazed that Cindy has stayed away, because I was so sure she would want to take this opportunity to garner herself more camera time, and I am betting it is not because it is the decent thing to do, I am wondering that maybe she did contact the family and they told her to get lost? These folks, are good parents and some are blaming the mama for letting her daughter walk home from school and I was like, that is not fair, usually the kids all walked together, it just so happens that day, that Somer got upset with another kid, and ran ahead, that happens every day, no one ever got pissed off at another kid before??? No these parents are not involved in their child's death at all and I sure of that. Now we all know how dramatic Susan Smith got in front of the media when she was running her sham, but Dena ain't faking her grief and anger and only has appeared on the media circuit to thank everyone and to vent at the POS and appeal to all who might have saw something that day, she is not hogging the spot light like Cindy has done from day one and is not wanting to go on NG and Jane and Geraldo and CBS, NBC, and ABC morning shows to get $20 grand.

There have been donation sites set up so people can donate towards the funeral and other expenses like she is gonna be out of work for awhile and she needs to pay her bills and also she wants money to help find her child's killer and I would be more than happy to donate to that and I would assume all of you would do so and if I find a link I will let you all know. I wouldn't send a dime to Ron if my life depended on it and I wonder how much money he got for his dead daughter, must be a goodly amount as he hasn't worked in months and unless his granny is supporting him, how is he feeding and clothing Jr??? I just wish Putnam has searched that landfill because I truly feel that is where Haleigh went to and is now more than methane gas and I seriously doubt she will ever be recovered. Now I could be wrong and I sure hope I am.

It's refreshing to see a dignified victim after +or- a year of the Ants and the Cummings clan.

Found this:

Donations for funeral expenses for the family of Somer Renee Thompson can be made at any Vstar Credit Union. Account No. 702794000

VyStar Credit Union
P.O.Box 45085
Jacksonville FL 32232

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/23/hunt_for_a_child_killer.html

I'm also concerned about the fact that Somer's father had to accept the donation of a specially fitted vehicle due to a recent surgery/injury suffered while in Iraq with the Army and is applying for disability. Is this common? To be without means after serving in the armed forces?

There is an article posted above where Putnam County LE states that they searched the landfill for Haleigh early on in the investigation.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind
the dogs hit on the dumpster early in the investigation. I have surmised that there was a good chance the body was there at one time. We may never know, unfortunately. I personally would not give a dime for anyone in her family. They are the low of the low; what horrible role models, as they do drugs, lie, end up in jail, sleep with the next body that comes along, ,,,,,,
and yet I have seen kids in similar situations who made it IN SPITE OF and not because of their so called parents

So true. And God bless them.

[wind149]

Yeah, the dogs hit and yeah they searched it, we saw them do it, and that is what upsets me, that if those dogs hit early on, why did it take them days to finally search it?? And finally we hear from TM that he NOW thinks Haleigh is dead? How did he come up with that I wonder??? Putting his woman "detective" on Misty did not garner anything, that worthless waste case low down hillbilly trash is not going to give it up because she is selfish and bottom line, she KNOWS where Casey is and where Casey will be till the day they needle her and as dumb as she is, she knows she would be in a cell right next to her. Lots of people in FL who hate her guts along with her scum family and Ron, he is just as hated, have said that it would take a hell of a beating to get the truth out of her lying trash mouth and that kids, I think would be the only way at this point and LE is not allowed to do that. And you are right about her tiny little body, she was smaller than most 5 year old's due to the Turners and one turn in a compactor and she would not be recognizable, but it is a moot point now isn't it?

And Teresa, for all her "grandmotherly" actions on NG and Jane, if she really wanted to know where her grandchild's body is, then she should have squared off with Misty 8 1/2 months ago and got the truth out of her, instead she sings her praises and rocks the "Misty was a mama to the kids" mantra for months, defending her when no one else was and is and now, she probably will never know. As for Crystal, I give her a lot of credit for staying out of the limelight and she has done what she can unless people expect her to beat the crap out of Misty too and she is a meek and quiet person and she has to be strong for Jr, someone has to be. And she has made no cash off her dead child and gone on cruises and she has not appeared on TV shows for months and sure as hell did not go on Maury who is a clone of Springer and just as useless. She, I think, will be the only one that will forever mourn her child and I wish Haleigh could be recovered so she can give her a proper burial, where she can go and talk to her child, tell her that she loves and misses her, she can bring teddy bears and flowers and heal.

It is so much worse when people do not have a body, for years and years, they know their loved one is dead, they just want to bring them home so they have a place to go and when the remains are never recovered, you never will have closure, I know, my cousin was never recovered from Ground Zero and all that is in his grave is his dress uniform. pictures of the kids and he and Jackie's wedding pictures and pics of he and his "other family" the FDNY and some other mementos. We will never have him back, he was forever entombed in that huge hole that used to be the footprint of the world's most glorious buildings that stood for trade among nations and an icon of the NY skyline. So if Haleigh is never recovered, Crystal and I and the other families of murdered loved ones will share that pain till the day we die and it really really sucks..

[lorettalockhorn]

We don't know when LE searched the landfill. We don't know if it was before or after the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster (the scene that we saw all over HLN). We just don't know a lot. And probably won't know until there is an arrest. (Which may be a good part of why there hasn't been an arrest. IMO)

Mother Teresa just doesn't impress me. Not in a good way. Sobbing over the Too Close to Looking Like Caylee's Babydoll struck me as false. As did Ron's tear stained face, minus the tears.

[deacon]

We don't know when LE searched the landfill. We don't know if it was before or after the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster (the scene that we saw all over HLN). We just don't know a lot. And probably won't know until there is an arrest. (Which may be a good part of why there hasn't been an arrest. IMO)

Mother Teresa just doesn't impress me. Not in a good way. Sobbing over the Too Close to Looking Like Caylee's Babydoll struck me as false. As did Ron's tear stained face, minus the tears.

And we don't know if they searched the right part of the landfill. The dumpster they showed was an open top construction type dumpster not a household garbage dumpster. Normally these two are dumped in different places. If you are "not so smart", you may look in the wrong place.

[lorettalockhorn]

And we don't know if they searched the right part of the landfill. The dumpster they showed was an open top construction type dumpster not a household garbage dumpster. Normally these two are dumped in different places. If you are "not so smart", you may look in the wrong place.

And we probably won't know until there is an arrest. As frustrating as it is that PCSO/FDLE is so close-mouthed, they come out and tell us that they searched the landfill and we're still dubious. They can't win, so they may as well keep it all to themselves.

[deacon]

And we probably won't know until there is an arrest. As frustrating as it is that PCSO/FDLE is so close-mouthed, they come out and tell us that they searched the landfill and we're still dubious. They can't win, so they may as well keep it all to themselves.

I really doubt they know if the searched the correct part.

[wind149]

I agree. Those cops, all they do is once every couple of weeks, announce they are working on leads, and of course they don't pan out, that child is dead and died that night and she is not going to be seen in Cow Palace WY at a Chuckie Cheese. And that was a construction dumpster wasn't it? So yeah, they would dump in a different spot than household trash, but even now, 8 months later, they still would not find Haleigh's body. I don't think we will ever know where Haleigh's final resting spot is, unless by some miracle, that lying skank gives it up, but we all likely would win the lottery before that ever happens. At least, Clay CO has a body and please Lord, help them find the scumbag who is responsible for this heinous crime and soon!!! And, yes, it is refreshing, sad, but refreshing to have a family that is not a bunch of self serving assholes and pure D white trash scum who all have been in the news ever since their kids went missing and one has been recovered, and they have been in the news because ya got one grandmother and mother who is a complete camerawhore and a lap dog father and grandfather who have sold their dead grandchild many times over, and then ya got the hillbilly trash Scummings and Croslin clan, who all have jail records and one of them is in jail for ripping off checks, and then we have "Rategate" and then low life 17 year old brain dead loser chick who was the last to see the missing and presumed dead child and is the murderer of that child who just accused some black dudes of ripping her off for illicit drugs and was involved in a road rage incident and all this takes the focus off Caylee and Haleigh!!! And there stands Dena, in total agony who never wanted to be in front of a camera crying her heart out begging someone to bring back her baby and then learns the awful truth, her baby is dead, found in a landfill and now the hunt is on for the killer and this woman's life will never be the same and she will have to be strong and she appears to be and please Lord, give this woman some justice, you can't bring back her child, but guide LE to the monster who did this and make sure he pays.

[lorettalockhorn]

I really doubt they know if the searched the correct part.

...He said, like Clay County detectives, his investigators searched hard for Haleigh.

"We have searched thousands of acres of land, by air, by horseback, by foot, atv's, boats, waterways, we've used sonar and all kinds of equipment," said Hardy.

He says right after Haleigh disappeared his detectives searched every county dumpster and the county landfill.

"We tarped it, we covered it and we protected it and we had approximately 48 volunteers from emergency management, volunteer firemen and deputy sheriff's that went out there."

Despite making those efforts, Hardy admits some areas were never searched.

"We have 807 square miles of land and we have not searched every inch of soil," he said.

He says he is continuing to search for Haleigh and doesn't think it is too late to find her.

"There are missing children they are finding after 17 and 18 years that are still alive and that's where we remain hopeful," he said....

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/actionlocal/story/Haleighs-family-prays-for-Somers-family/RC4OMh68rEGoA5uutd7kBA.cspx

LE has searched "thousands of acres" and then Hardy specifies the 807 acres. Not sure how that applies to the landfill. But if he's not being straight, it'll come back to bite him in the butt, for sure. IF there is ever an arrest.

Not sure why I can't wrap my mind around Haleigh being alive.

[BeastofBears]

...He said, like Clay County detectives, his investigators searched hard for Haleigh.

"We have searched thousands of acres of land, by air, by horseback, by foot, atv's, boats, waterways, we've used sonar and all kinds of equipment," said Hardy.

He says right after Haleigh disappeared his detectives searched every county dumpster and the county landfill.

"We tarped it, we covered it and we protected it and we had approximately 48 volunteers from emergency management, volunteer firemen and deputy sheriff's that went out there."

Despite making those efforts, Hardy admits some areas were never searched.

"We have 807 square miles of land and we have not searched every inch of soil," he said.

He says he is continuing to search for Haleigh and doesn't think it is too late to find her.

"There are missing children they are finding after 17 and 18 years that are still alive and that's where we remain hopeful," he said....

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/actionlocal/story/Haleighs-family-prays-for-Somers-family/RC4OMh68rEGoA5uutd7kBA.cspx

LE has searched "thousands of acres" and then Hardy specifies the 807 acres. Not sure how that applies to the landfill. But if he's not being straight, it'll come back to bite him in the butt, for sure. IF there is ever an arrest.

Not sure why I can't wrap my mind around Haleigh being alive.

I wonder if he misspoke. The county is 807 square miles http://www.pcso.us/ , but I haven't found anything related to the dump and 807 acres...

[Marian Paroo]

Not sure why I can't wrap my mind around Haleigh being alive.

Nor can I.

[Nawny]

We don't know when LE searched the landfill. We don't know if it was before or after the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster (the scene that we saw all over HLN). We just don't know a lot. And probably won't know until there is an arrest. (Which may be a good part of why there hasn't been an arrest. IMO)

Mother Teresa just doesn't impress me. Not in a good way. Sobbing over the Too Close to Looking Like Caylee's Babydoll struck me as false. As did Ron's tear stained face, minus the tears.

Yeah the tears. They were most likely told not to wipe the tears, lest they wipe off 3 pounds of makeup. The doll could have been Maury's staff's idea. It was show biz, but it still reeked of deep sorrow IMO. I'm thinking if Misty turns up responsible, Ron is going to open that closet with the guns. That's the main reason she won't talk. She's afraid of one person, that's Ronald Scummings, and no one else. Misty is a survivor. Self preservation is the word of the day for them.

[lorettalockhorn]

Looks like there is more than one landfill for Putnam County. (And they have a really good recycling program, much better than what we [don't] have). LE doesn't state that they searched both or all landfills. From reading it looks like residential and commercial waste is dumped at the same facility.:

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/san.asp

I tried to make us a map here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=landfill&sll=29.650465,-81.803856&sspn=0.109799,0.305214&ie=UTF8&radius=9.16&rq=1&ev=zi&hq=landfill&hnear=&ll=29.662996,-81.805573&spn=0.468972,1.220856&z=10

You can zoom in on the landfills; they don't look that large to me(43,560 sq.ft./acre). Landfill central north of Palatka looks like a large area. (I'm sorta kinda orientation impaired.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah the tears. They were most likely told not to wipe the tears, lest they wipe off 3 pounds of makeup. The doll could have been Maury's staff's idea. It was show biz, but it still reeked of deep sorrow IMO. I'm thinking if Misty turns up responsible, Ron is going to open that closet with the guns. That's the main reason she won't talk. She's afraid of one person, that's Ronald Scummings, and no one else. Misty is a survivor. Self preservation is the word of the day for them.

Can you blame her? TN does truly seem brokenhearted, but I find it hard to believe that she doesn't know as much as Ron does. I think they all know where Haleigh is and their sorrow is likely for their own necks. Just opinion.

[lorettalockhorn]

Caylee Anthony & Haleigh Cummings – Radio Wrap Up For Sun Oct 25

...We then moved onto the Haleigh Cummings search. We did have one surprise caller, Jeremiah Regan’s father Pastor John Regan. He is yet another victim in the Haleigh Cummings story...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122753

We call me confused, but I thought that Cobra had indicated that John Regan was part of the phony search that the Sheffields set up early on. Now he's a victim. Of the Sheffields? Does anyone listen to this bilge who can summarize for us?

[SaraSidle]

Caylee Anthony & Haleigh Cummings – Radio Wrap Up For Sun Oct 25

...We then moved onto the Haleigh Cummings search. We did have one surprise caller, Jeremiah Regan’s father Pastor John Regan. He is yet another victim in the Haleigh Cummings story...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122753

We call me confused, but I thought that Cobra had indicated that John Regan was part of the phony search that the Sheffields set up early on. Now he's a victim. Of the Sheffields? Does anyone listen to this bilge who can summarize for us?

I thought he was the ex FBI man..or pretending to be?????

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought he was the ex FBI man..or pretending to be?????

Yep. But now he's a victim. Hmmm

[Nawny]

Can you blame her? TN does truly seem brokenhearted, but I find it hard to believe that she doesn't know as much as Ron does. I think they all know where Haleigh is and their sorrow is likely for their own necks. Just opinion.

Really Lor? I need to examine this closer. How can anyone do that? Of course I can be the queen of stupid questions at times and perhaps I haven't seen the underbelly of child abusers as you have. I just can't imagine it... but ya nevah know, you might be right on.

What I have observed is contradictory. I mean, Ron comes across on TV like a concerned father, (dang! He gets me every time!) then he goes home and acts out consistent violence. Academy award time?!

As for Misty, no I don't blame her for being afraid of Ron, no.

[lorettalockhorn]

Really Lor? I need to examine this closer. How can anyone do that? Of course I can be the queen of stupid questions at times and perhaps I haven't seen the underbelly of child abusers as you have. I just can't imagine it... but ya nevah know, you might be right on.

What I have observed is contradictory. I mean, Ron comes across on TV like a concerned father, (dang! He gets me every time!) then he goes home and acts out consistent violence. Academy award time?!

As for Misty, no I don't blame her for being afraid of Ron, no.

Aw Nawny, now you see, I think Ron's acting sucks. From the first time that I saw him throw himself on the ground; what was that less than half a day after his daughter had been stolen while he was out earning an honest living? That high pitched keening and crying with no tears and the unasked for alibi to the 911 operator while he was threatening to kill his daughter's abductor without actually looking for whoever stole her. Sh!t the bed, Fred; he's a phony.

But heck yeah, I'll give him an award. Best non-supportive father in an actor's role.

[deacon]

Aw Nawny, now you see, I think Ron's acting sucks. From the first time that I saw him throw himself on the ground; what was that less than half a day after his daughter had been stolen while he was out earning an honest living? That high pitched keening and crying with no tears and the unasked for alibi to the 911 operator while he was threatening to kill his daughter's abductor without actually looking for whoever stole her. Sh!t the bed, Fred; he's a phony.

But heck yeah, I'll give him an award. Best non-supportive father in as actor's role.

They are all phonys. The whole lot. Everyone of them.

[lorettalockhorn]

If y'all didn't see Miss Nancy tonight, hie thee to a rerun, youtube or transcript and see Nancy Ann Grace apologize to Crystal on air re: Misty's drug use.

Also Misty is on a bus (how appropriate; hope no one gets thrown under it) to TN (Tennessee, not Mother Teresa). She has apparently run out of open doors in Satsuma and would prefer to be in the shadow of Cousin Joe than be near her ex-hubby. Does this mean that a reconciliation is not a gonna happen? Granny will notify LE if Misty spills anything.

All of this according to Art Harris who continues to show up in time to be on camera, but still doesn't seem to have the initiative to know WTH is going on in his forum. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

They are all phonys. The whole lot. Everyone of them.

For sure. My bad for singling out RC!

[deacon]

For sure. My bad for singling out RC!

Not bad. Just think this is the most messed up bunch of screwballs I have ever read about. Not an elevator in the whole place can make it to the top floor. None of them. (but he does rank up there with the quickest stopping elevator)

This is like the WWE in real life.

[One2Snoop]

If y'all didn't see Miss Nancy tonight, hie thee to a rerun, youtube or transcript and see Nancy Ann Grace apologize to Crystal on air re: Misty's drug use.

Also Misty is on a bus (how appropriate; hope no one gets thrown under it) to TN (Tennessee, not Mother Teresa). She has apparently run out of open doors in Satsuma and would prefer to be in the shadow of Cousin Joe than be near her ex-hubby. Does this mean that a reconciliation is not a gonna happen? Granny will notify LE if Misty spills anything.

All of this according to Art Harris who continues to show up in time to be on camera, but still doesn't seem to have the initiative to know WTH is going on in his forum. :rolleyes:

Is she on good terms with cousin Joe? or does she have a restraining order against him too that's not valid in TN? I've about given up following this saga - "As the Hillbillies Turn" - tune in tomorrow for gawd who knows what LOL!! :tongue:

Poor Haleigh, where are you? :shrug: :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Is she on good terms with cousin Joe? or does she have a restraining order against him too that's not valid in TN? I've about given up following this saga - "As the Hillbillies Turn" - tune in tomorrow for gawd who knows what LOL!! :tongue:

Poor Haleigh, where are you? :shrug: :rose:

Or "As the Hillbillies Turn On Each Other"! Shame on me for my hyena-like outburst.

I'm with Tim Miller, I think Haleigh can't possibly have survived this long, especially considering everyone who cares soooooooooo much about her has been preening in front of a camera and the local judge for nine months. I mean, who's left to take care of her and her health issues?

What I just can't get through my thick head is why TM's outlook has changed in less than a week.

[beemer]

Wow-yeah i thought Misty had run outta family. Whats the deal with Joe i cant remember or i've blocked it out ;) They all are sandwich short of a picnic. Poor Haleigh lost in all the drama and poor junior :cuss:

[beemer]

How did Crystal respond to Nancy's apology??

[lorettalockhorn]

Beem, Joe was in Satsuma the afternoon before Haleigh disappeared and the criticism is that she and Ron would allow him in their home after she alleges that he abused her when she was younger. He and Ron also supposedly fought over a gun that Joe stole from Ron.

Crystal wasn't on Nancy (that I saw), it was just amazing though that Nancy would apologize over that fact that Misty apparently uses drugs and scoring was the purpose of the trip to the Ragsdale Apts the night that Misty was assaulted.

Funny, no one on air seems to question LE about the fact that they walked away from that incident without a complete investigation.

TN was there and once again said that God answers prayers and therefore Haleigh must be alive. Well, I'm not nearly as religious as a lot of folks, but I can tell you for a fact that God is like any other parent figure and sometimes the answer is flat out "NO".

And I find it hard to believe that after all this time, Mother Teresa doesn't realize that.

[wind149]

Gee, "sources close to the case now say that Haleigh is dead" Just figuring this out now, how many months have we all been saying it? And Teresa tonight was just plain pathetic, I mean I know people hold out hope that their loved one will return to them unscathed, but she needs to re-enter the real world and accept that is not going to happen, the child is dead. And the concerned grandma thing is as old as hell, had she been that concerned when Haleigh was alive that she and her grandson had been in the care of a brain dead inbred idiot, maybe Haleigh would be alive today if she had intervened and told her stupid son that the girl was way too young to care for these kids and did she??? NOOO! Hell, she was beaming all over the place, camera in hand at that hillbilly sham of a wedding, dollar store arbor not withstanding, like she was real proud that her son was marrying that piece of inbred tail, so forgive me if I don't get all teary eyed watching her sniff and cry and tell Miz Nancy that she talks to God and that he answers your prayers, that has gotten real old, she has said that for the last three times NG has had her on the show and that is ALL she says. Now she ain't on there all fired up at Misty like she should have been from day one, I would believe more of her and her love for her grandbaby if I heard her say, that she NO LONGER believes Misty and have we heard that???

And I guess ole honey pie has left the building again and ya know if i wasn't so sure she murdered Haleigh, I would almost feel sorry for her, she has no place to live, she can't go live with Daddy because the bro she has the RO on lives there, her mama is in the joint and by the sounds of things is gonna remain there for quite a while so she decides to head to Slant-eyed Joe's shack in TN and am I remembering right (it is so hard to keep track of the crap that comes out of her empty head) did she not say that he molested her when she was younger??? And that he is a SO??? "Slant Eye" is another slang word for molester in the great state of NH and not Asian folks, thought I would clear that one up right away! Now this dumb broad, what is she gonna do in TN? Sell herself? Sell drugs?? I listened to her pathetic 911 call and she is freaking out and did you catch what I did? When the 911 dispatcher asked her about a physical description of the dude that grabbed her, she tells the woman, "he was all dressed in black"?? Haven't we heard those words before out of Jr??? A black man dressed in black at a known crackhouse, Boy, he must stand out huh??? And she got a boo boo on her arm, BFD!!! What kind of boo boo's did she inflict on Haleigh??? And did you all catch NG's form of an apology to Crystal??? What are these dumb cops waiting for, move in and arrest her for at least child neglect and let the chips fall where they may! Maybe with the right cop, some kindly old soul who might come off as grandpa could sit down with her and tell her, that look, something happened that night, was Haleigh acting up? Was she not obeying you? Did you hit her and she fell and hit her head? Did you give an Oxy to get her to go to sleep so you could go out and party? You know you have been carrying this around with you for too long now, you husband divorced you because he no longer believes in you and you have no one on your side and you have no where to live and if you tell me what happened, maybe I can help you, but you have to tell me,, whether it is good or bad.

Now this is just what an older cop I know would play out, the good old Joe trying to be her friend. The guy from SLED got Susan Smith to break by using this approach, however, since Misty is trying to save her own ass, I don't know if this would fly, but one of those Barney's aren't gonna do it, and where is the FBI in all of this? Haven't heard a word out of them, it seems to me the only one doing anything to get to the truth is TIM MILLER!! And he is not LE!!! He has tried really hard to get to the truth, not conventional methods, but hey, he at least has busted his ass over this and I give credit to Art Harris too. All Putnam says that they are working on leads, maybe they need to listen to Tim and Art and publicly admit they don't think Haleigh is alive either, maybe that would get them somewhere with that skank. Something has to give here, that child needs to be recovered so her mama can bury her.

[beemer]

Beem, Joe was in Satsuma the afternoon before Haleigh disappeared and the criticism is that she and Ron would allow him in their home after she alleges that he abused her when she was younger. He and Ron also supposedly fought over a gun that Joe stole from Ron.

Crystal wasn't on Nancy (that I saw), it was just amazing though that Nancy would apologize over that fact that Misty apparently uses drugs and scoring was the purpose of the trip to the Ragsdale Apts the night that Misty was assaulted.

Funny, no one on air seems to question LE about the fact that they walked away from that incident without a complete investigation.

TN was there and once again said that God answers prayers and therefore Haleigh must be alive. Well, I'm not nearly as religious as a lot of folks, but I can tell you for a fact that God is like any other parent figure and sometimes the answer is flat out "NO".

And I find it hard to believe that after all this time, Mother Teresa doesn't realize that.
Thanks Loretta-now i remember who he is. Yeah why does Misty seem to walk away from any kind of investigation. Known drug user and if they still suspect her pick her up and keep picking her up. If Misty is guilty she is likely in survivor mode (in my opine) Keep the heat on her she's bound to cave or say something. She's just not that smart. Good gawd i hope they get their heads outta the sand. Haleigh is not with Zanny having a good ole time. I do believe she is with Caylee :rose:

[SaraSidle]

Thanks Loretta-now i remember who he is. Yeah why does Misty seem to walk away from any kind of investigation. Known drug user and if they still suspect her pick her up and keep picking her up. If Misty is guilty she is likely in survivor mode (in my opine) Keep the heat on her she's bound to cave or say something. She's just not that smart. Good gawd i hope they get their heads outta the sand. Haleigh is not with Zanny having a good ole time. I do believe she is with Caylee :rose:

Might be harder to keep the heat on anyone with her in TN. Might get kind of cold if she stays. dang it. I wish someone would spill. iMO

[JLette]

Wow-yeah i thought Misty had run outta family. Whats the deal with Joe i cant remember or i've blocked it out ;) They all are sandwich short of a picnic. Poor Haleigh lost in all the drama and poor junior :cuss:

pretty sure Cousin Joe is the SO or am i wrong?:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

EquuSearch Founder Compares Somer Case To Haleigh

Tim Miller Not Optimistic Haliegh Cummings Will Be Found

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The man who helped search for Caylee Anthony said he was impressed with the speed in which Somer Thompson's body was recovered.

In an exclusive interview with WESH 2 News, Tim Miller, of Texas EquuSearch, said, "It just shows again what people can do when everybody is working together for the right cause."

Miller contrasted the search for Somer, a 7-year-old Orange Park girl whose body was found in a Georgia landfill, with the Haleigh Cummings case in Putnam County. Miller, whose group assisted in the search, said Haleigh's family was not working well together.

Haleigh disappeared from her home earlier this year and has not been found. Miller and his group help search for missing persons and became familiar to many in Central Florida during the search for Caylee Anthony, whose body was found in Orange County woods in December months after she was last seen.

Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death

Watch The Story

The Cummings' family continues to hold out hope that Haleigh will be found alive. Miller, however, is not as optimistic.

"I've worked a lot of these things...Haleigh is not going to be one of those miracles," Miller said. "I truly believe it's going to be a miracle if we find Haleigh's body some day ... and I just hate to be that blunt."

http://www.wesh.com/news/21431079/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

pretty sure Cousin Joe is the SO or am i wrong?:shrug:


I do not know JLette. I do not remember anything about him but what Loretta just posted above. sorry:shrug::)

[Amy]

Aw Nawny, now you see, I think Ron's acting sucks. From the first time that I saw him throw himself on the ground; what was that less than half a day after his daughter had been stolen while he was out earning an honest living? That high pitched keening and crying with no tears and the unasked for alibi to the 911 operator while he was threatening to kill his daughter's abductor without actually looking for whoever stole her. Sh!t the bed, Fred; he's a phony.

But heck yeah, I'll give him an award. Best non-supportive father in an actor's role.

My first impression of Ron is pretty much the same. What caught my ear first was the "honest living" thing. Not just once, but @ least twice he emphasized that. Why? As opposed to a dishonest living? Did he have a job in both worlds, and it just so happened that it was when he was @ his honest living job that his daughter was taken? Would it have made a difference if he was @ his dishonest job @ the time? Hmmm....would he have even MENTIONED it if he was @ his dishonest job?

Then, after he fell to the ground wailing for his daughter, he popped right back up and talked to the reporter--not a tear in his eye, not a catch in his voice, just a regular every day voice.

Then, after his tat--are the cameras on? Oh, okay. Now, you guys need to quit following me around, I need to be able to wind down, relax without having cameras in my face. Oh, and I'll show you my daughter's tat, but not my son's. (I can see why, if Jr's tat was as bad as Haleigh's, I wouldn't have shown it, either. Well, wouldn't have shown such a botched job of "my daughter's" either.) Wonder who notified the media he was going to go get a tat? Hmmmm??????

[Amy]

Is she on good terms with cousin Joe? or does she have a restraining order against him too that's not valid in TN? I've about given up following this saga - "As the Hillbillies Turn" - tune in tomorrow for gawd who knows what LOL!! :tongue:

Poor Haleigh, where are you? :shrug: :rose:

Didn't she try to throw Cousin Joe under the bus, with accusations that he had molested her, or had tried to? Geesh, I'd be as skeered to cozy up w/Cousin Joe after that, as much as I'd be skeered to cozy up to my brother whom I have a restraining order against.

Speaking of brother Tommy--did he and or Lindsay rescind the offer to let Misty into their hearth and home? Or, perhaps his wife was the only one who extended the invite--maybe he didn't agree? Or, perhaps someone pointed out to her that it would not be kosher to live w/someone you have a restraining order against. Unless, of course, you want that person to end up in jail time and time again for breaking the order. And, just where is dear ol' dad these days? Is he in FL, or is he in TN?

[deacon]

Beem, Joe was in Satsuma the afternoon before Haleigh disappeared and the criticism is that she and Ron would allow him in their home after she alleges that he abused her when she was younger. He and Ron also supposedly fought over a gun that Joe stole from Ron.

Crystal wasn't on Nancy (that I saw), it was just amazing though that Nancy would apologize over that fact that Misty apparently uses drugs and scoring was the purpose of the trip to the Ragsdale Apts the night that Misty was assaulted.

Funny, no one on air seems to question LE about the fact that they walked away from that incident without a complete investigation.

TN was there and once again said that God answers prayers and therefore Haleigh must be alive. Well, I'm not nearly as religious as a lot of folks, but I can tell you for a fact that God is like any other parent figure and sometimes the answer is flat out "NO".
And I find it hard to believe that after all this time, Mother Teresa doesn't realize that.

Thinking any less is making God less than God. Belief like that is forcing your agenda on God. That does not work.

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't she try to throw Cousin Joe under the bus, with accusations that he had molested her, or had tried to? Geesh, I'd be as skeered to cozy up w/Cousin Joe after that, as much as I'd be skeered to cozy up to my brother whom I have a restraining order against.

Speaking of brother Tommy--did he and or Lindsay rescind the offer to let Misty into their hearth and home? Or, perhaps his wife was the only one who extended the invite--maybe he didn't agree? Or, perhaps someone pointed out to her that it would not be kosher to live w/someone you have a restraining order against. Unless, of course, you want that person to end up in jail time and time again for breaking the order. And, just where is dear ol' dad these days? Is he in FL, or is he in TN?

I think Cousin Joe's record is posted in here somewhere (I'll look when I the coffee kicks in, if ever!), and IIRC his victim was young, and Lisa Croslin was the complainant, so it stands to reason that he did molest Misty in some way. That's why it's such a head scratcher that she or Ron would even think of inviting him into Haleigh's home.

Pretty sure that Lindsey and Tommy and still living in Satsuma (Hank and Lisa may be living with them); if Misty was to have direct contact or move in with him, the restraining order would be nullified.

[Nawny]

Aw Nawny, now you see, I think Ron's acting sucks. From the first time that I saw him throw himself on the ground; what was that less than half a day after his daughter had been stolen while he was out earning an honest living? That high pitched keening and crying with no tears and the unasked for alibi to the 911 operator while he was threatening to kill his daughter's abductor without actually looking for whoever stole her. Sh!t the bed, Fred; he's a phony.

But heck yeah, I'll give him an award. Best non-supportive father in an actor's role.

Okay, good reply loretta. I'm hangin with you from now on. Me, the sucker for a sob story. I'd been pretty certain Ron was out of the loop, except for his involvement with a minor (which is horrific to me) in the first place. I never expect young people to be responsible enough to keep little children safe, at best. I'm a nawny and when I have more than one weeble with me, I am super duper vigilant because they can get lost or hurt in the blink of an eye.
And, yeah, I saw the dramatic display. Yep, you're right there.

I know its your opinion, but thank you for it. I have to see the other side of coins.

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thinking any less is making God less than God. Belief like that is forcing your agenda on God. That does not work.

Excellent outlook, deacon. Teresa's mantra seems extremely egocentric to me. Life is all about disappointments that we have to cope with and eventually accept.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, good reply loretta. I'm hangin with you from now on. Me, the sucker for a sob story. I'd been pretty certain Ron was out of the loop, except for his involvement with a minor (which is horrific to me) in the first place. I never expect young people to be responsible enough to keep little children safe, at best. I'm a nawny and when I have more than one weeble with me, I am super duper vigilant because they can get lost or hurt in the blink of an eye.
And, yeah, I saw the dramatic display. Yep, you're right there.

I know its your opinion, but thank you for it. I have to see the other side of coins.

:seeya:

You are so right about how important vigilance is with the little ones and they are lucky to have you for a nawny! Ron and Mother Teresa could be as innocent and pure as the driven snow for all of me, but they left those babes with Misty while she wasn't 100% after her lost weekend, and in a completely different situation from what Ron told the judge would be the household setup. In fact, when Amber was babysitting Haleigh and Junior, that wasn't kosher according to what he advised the court would be provided for the children.

And it's very possible that I'm wrong about Ron's demeanor. Could be his hardwiring is fried and he's not capable of acting in an acceptable manner (by my standards). And who am I to judge? I can only imagine how I would act in his situation. It wouldn't be purdy.

[JLette]

I do not know JLette. I do not remember anything about him but what Loretta just posted above. sorry:shrug::)

lol yea as soon as i posted mine i saw loretta's. seems like i am always a step behind on here lol

[JLette]

I think Cousin Joe's record is posted in here somewhere (I'll look when I the coffee kicks in, if ever!), and IIRC his victim was young, and Lisa Croslin was the complainant, so it stands to reason that he did molest Misty in some way. That's why it's such a head scratcher that she or Ron would even think of inviting him into Haleigh's home.

Pretty sure that Lindsey and Tommy and still living in Satsuma (Hank and Lisa may be living with them); if Misty was to have direct contact or move in with him, the restraining order would be nullified.

ok, so this is JMO of course, but maybe their logic is a little flawed. maybe they figured he wouldn't molest Haleigh because he wasn't related to her....this bunch seems a little wacked in their thought processes.

[SaraSidle]

lol yea as soon as i posted mine i saw loretta's. seems like i am always a step behind on here lol


I feel that way too sometimes. I am always going back and rereading and if that does not work I ask. I might sound dumb but this has been going on for a while and just like the Caylee case there are a lot of details. sara

[SaraSidle]

ok, so this is JMO of course, but maybe their logic is a little flawed. maybe they figured he wouldn't molest Haleigh because he wasn't related to her....this bunch seems a little wacked in their thought processes.

BBM

yes that is an understatement.

[Mojo]

Gee, "sources close to the case now say that Haleigh is dead" Just figuring this out now, how many months have we all been saying it? And Teresa tonight was just plain pathetic, I mean I know people hold out hope that their loved one will return to them unscathed, but she needs to re-enter the real world and accept that is not going to happen, the child is dead. And the concerned grandma thing is as old as hell, had she been that concerned when Haleigh was alive that she and her grandson had been in the care of a brain dead inbred idiot, maybe Haleigh would be alive today if she had intervened and told her stupid son that the girl was way too young to care for these kids and did she??? NOOO! Hell, she was beaming all over the place, camera in hand at that hillbilly sham of a wedding, dollar store arbor not withstanding, like she was real proud that her son was marrying that piece of inbred tail, so forgive me if I don't get all teary eyed watching her sniff and cry and tell Miz Nancy that she talks to God and that he answers your prayers, that has gotten real old, she has said that for the last three times NG has had her on the show and that is ALL she says. Now she ain't on there all fired up at Misty like she should have been from day one, I would believe more of her and her love for her grandbaby if I heard her say, that she NO LONGER believes Misty and have we heard that???

And I guess ole honey pie has left the building again and ya know if i wasn't so sure she murdered Haleigh, I would almost feel sorry for her, she has no place to live, she can't go live with Daddy because the bro she has the RO on lives there, her mama is in the joint and by the sounds of things is gonna remain there for quite a while so she decides to head to Slant-eyed Joe's shack in TN and am I remembering right (it is so hard to keep track of the crap that comes out of her empty head) did she not say that he molested her when she was younger??? And that he is a SO??? "Slant Eye" is another slang word for molester in the great state of NH and not Asian folks, thought I would clear that one up right away! Now this dumb broad, what is she gonna do in TN? Sell herself? Sell drugs?? I listened to her pathetic 911 call and she is freaking out and did you catch what I did? When the 911 dispatcher asked her about a physical description of the dude that grabbed her, she tells the woman, "he was all dressed in black"?? Haven't we heard those words before out of Jr??? A black man dressed in black at a known crackhouse, Boy, he must stand out huh??? And she got a boo boo on her arm, BFD!!! What kind of boo boo's did she inflict on Haleigh??? And did you all catch NG's form of an apology to Crystal??? What are these dumb cops waiting for, move in and arrest her for at least child neglect and let the chips fall where they may! Maybe with the right cop, some kindly old soul who might come off as grandpa could sit down with her and tell her, that look, something happened that night, was Haleigh acting up? Was she not obeying you? Did you hit her and she fell and hit her head? Did you give an Oxy to get her to go to sleep so you could go out and party? You know you have been carrying this around with you for too long now, you husband divorced you because he no longer believes in you and you have no one on your side and you have no where to live and if you tell me what happened, maybe I can help you, but you have to tell me,, whether it is good or bad.

Now this is just what an older cop I know would play out, the good old Joe trying to be her friend. The guy from SLED got Susan Smith to break by using this approach, however, since Misty is trying to save her own ass, I don't know if this would fly, but one of those Barney's aren't gonna do it, and where is the FBI in all of this? Haven't heard a word out of them, it seems to me the only one doing anything to get to the truth is TIM MILLER!! And he is not LE!!! He has tried really hard to get to the truth, not conventional methods, but hey, he at least has busted his ass over this and I give credit to Art Harris too. All Putnam says that they are working on leads, maybe they need to listen to Tim and Art and publicly admit they don't think Haleigh is alive either, maybe that would get them somewhere with that skank. Something has to give here, that child needs to be recovered so her mama can bury her.

Wind, you are absolutely correct. I when I heard Misty say that on her 911 call, I stopped and did a double take. We have heard the same thing before. Not sure if it means anything but I kinda think it does.

[lorettalockhorn]

I feel that way too sometimes. I am always going back and rereading and if that does not work I ask. I might sound dumb but this has been going on for a while and just like the Caylee case there are a lot of details. sara

I'm the same way! Sometimes I think I've forgotten more than I remember. Pretty sure that I've read a copy here of the record of Lisa Croslin taking Joe Overstreet to court, but I'm darned if I can find it. :punch:

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, you are absolutely correct. I when I heard Misty say that on her 911 call, I stopped and did a double take. We have heard the same thing before. Not sure if it means anything but I kinda think it does.

Could very well be, but my first thought was that it's far too often the case that people claim that the Black Dude Did It.

[wind149]

I checked out Art's site today, pretty interesting stuff there that NG has not revealed like Lisa is out of jail on bond and that honey pie is gonna live with her granny and yes, Slant Eye Joe is a CSO and he was accused of molesting Misty and that Lisa was the complaining party, but nothing came of so who really knows if he even touched her, I would say yes, keeping in terms this whole family are nothing more than inbred idiots way way low down on the scale of intelligence and that is how they like to be, this is as good as it gets for them and ya know, as I said, if I was not so convinced that trash murdered that precious child, I would feel for her, no place to call her own, a 7th grade education and the mentality level of a stalk of celery, no job prospects, the best she could do is stock shelves or flip burgers, but I am thinking along the lines of selling herself or drugs, I don't see her getting a job, she is too damm lazy and has been taught to live off men. Now some people who feel for her say that she has to survive anyway she knows, and that if she does admit to killing Haleigh, she would be in prison and I am like, well duh, that is where you go when you murder someone???

Now ole OJ, skated for murder, but is exactly where he needs to be, locked up because he is a sociopath and while I don't think Misty is, she killed that child, I think either out of jealousy or to get her out of the way, but what I can't explain is why didn't she do away with Jr too? Now if I were wired like she is, and living in a trailer with two babies every day when she likes to party it up, those kids would be on my nerves, but I dig their Daddy, so maybe I will just do away with the one that drives me the most nuts, won't listen to me and Ron pays her more attention than me as I am thinking Jr is a little more mellow than Haleigh and let's not forget this child had health issues and was probably a typical 5 year old, they don't tend to want to mind too much, I know when Jason was 5, he was worse at that age than the terrible twos. He would not listen to anyone and give you 34 reasons why he should not go to bed at 8 pm and was lippy as hell, lots of time outs for my lad I can tell ya that!!

So many people feel that NOW that this child is dead so why doesn't Putnam come right out and say it like Orange CO did with Casey??? I mean come on, they are Sheriff's depts, still mandated by the state and SOP so as far as I can see, they have probable cause to arrest her for child neglect and then the dumb cooze admits to cops that her her and her buds were ROBBED OF THEIR ILLICIT DRUGS by a black dude dressed in black?? Doesn't this smack of another one of her crap stories? She wants sympathy pure and simple, Ron has deserted her, her family as f*cked up as they are have thrown her under the bus, even her own BFF Nay tried to jam her up with that get out of jail roll of the dice which did not pan out, people publicly have spat in her face and if you read the posts from FL based papers and TV stations, she is almost as hated as Casey is. And I think that 911 was just as staged as the one she made that night, all of it an act and did she really expect the police to go after a dude who stole drugs from her???

OH yeah, they be right on it Misty!! This girl has watched too many movies and she lives in a fantasy world. What galls me so much is how confident she is that Haleigh's body will never be found, one poster on Art believes what I do, she was in the dumpster for a few days, and then when cops announced that all ground searches would be suspended, she moved the body to a gator filled pond, the one that was drained a few weeks back and if gators do live in it, there would be nothing left. Now my sister just said something to me that does give one pause for hope. I really didn't think Caylee's body would be recovered either and on a fluke it was, so maybe, Haleigh will be recovered, but it is a big maybe.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lisa has been out of jail for almost two weeks:

Lisa Croslin out on bond. Wonder what all she told the po po:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

Cousin Joe isn't listed as a sex offender in FL or TN that I can find, but he's only a couple of years older than Misty, so that may be why. Wish I could remember where the heck I saw that information about Lisa taking him to court; don't think DCF was involved.

There are a couple of comments at AH claiming to be from an insider and Art is also claiming that his inside LE source acknowledges that Haleigh is most likely dead. It's hard to know why the PCSO would publicly state that they think Haleigh is alive after all this time what with her health issues.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've rarely heard NG apologize to anyone, so was glad to hear this Monday night however short but sweet:

...(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, my apologies to Crystal Sheffield, the ex-wife of Ronald Cummings, because apparently when the new stepmother, Misty Croslin, calls 911, her two cohorts with her are saying they`re out scoring dope when they get armed robbed.

Now that`s a good one. Let me go to the lawyers...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/26/ng.01.html

[Tracian]

I have seen Nancy say once or twice that she was wrong. I am glad she apologised to Crystal, and I am glad that she is not leading a witch hunt to accuse either parent.

[LadyFisher]

I have seen Nancy say once or twice that she was wrong. I am glad she apologised to Crystal, and I am glad that she is not leading a witch hunt to accuse either parent.Hi, Tracian....yeah, it's rare for NG to apologize to anyone.......apparently Nancy doesn't think the parents are involved....but it is obvious she is after Misty imho....but we can understand why ..failed polys...LE saying she is consistently inconsistent:no:....my concern is in the AH comments.....he said Tim told him that Misty had threatened suicide to Donna about 3 times......why, oh, why doesn't Misty just tell what she knows and get it over with.....Tracian, I pm'd you at IS....I am Mo.Gramma over there ....for some reason I couldn't get signed in anymore there as LadyFisher....it's good too see you....I've always enjoyed reading your common sense posts....imho

[LadyFisher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9c8JLnPfOE&feature=player_embedded ng part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re5kZImSyks&feature=related part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLSqv9E9l7A&feature=player_embedded

[LadyFisher]

I truly do feel sorry for Teresa Neves.....she appears to be devastated....but hanging on to hope that Haleigh is alive....imho I posted the above videos so others could view them if they missed NG.....

[beemer]

Thanks so much Lady for the video links :seeya:

[LadyFisher]

Sorry if you ladies already posted this link about Misty going to Nashville and threatening suicide to Donna 3 times....if so....maybe it can be removed.......http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/26/exclusive-expert-believes-haleigh-cummings-dead-misty-splits/#

[LadyFisher]

Thanks so much Lady for the video links :seeya:
Hi, beemer, you are quite welcome....much of the time I miss the show and have to run to youtube to see if anyone has posted videos of it....hope you are well.....

[LadyFisher]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/28/exclusive-tim-miller-will-keep-searching-for-haleigh-cummings/ here's a snippet of it .........“We will never, EVER quit searching for Haleigh Cummings,” he tells me in an exclusive interview to clear up an apparent misunderstanding that lead volunteers and supporters to jam Texas Equusearch switchboard flabbergasted to hear Miller might not be willing to use his considerable expertise or equipment to look for Haleigh because he felt she was dead.

“We already have plans to return for another organized search when the vegetation thins out this winter,” he says. “”I don’t think Haleigh’s (body) is all that far away from Satsuma because whoever took her isn’t smart enough to carry her far.”

[Tracian]

Hi, Tracian....yeah, it's rare for NG to apologize to anyone.......apparently Nancy doesn't think the parents are involved....but it is obvious she is after Misty imho....but we can understand why ..failed polys...LE saying she is consistently inconsistent:no:....my concern is in the AH comments.....he said Tim told him that Misty had threatened suicide to Donna about 3 times......why, oh, why doesn't Misty just tell what she knows and get it over with.....Tracian, I pm'd you at IS....I am Mo.Gramma over there ....for some reason I couldn't get signed in anymore there as LadyFisher....it's good too see you....I've always enjoyed reading your common sense posts....imho

Thanks for the kind words, and likewise LadyFisher, I think this is a great place to dicuss Haleigh's case, so you will be seeing more of me.

Misty confuses me; I have always thought that she was most likely gone, when HaLeigh was taken; but now I tend to believe she may know more; she just seems beyond her years in street smarts.

Part of the problem is that so many have come forward later, like Tommy, after seven months saying her checked the house and no one was home. The main problem I have with that, is that I think JR would be old enough to have told someone that they left the house that night; but instead he offers the man in black story.

[beemer]

Sorry if you ladies already posted this link about Misty going to Nashville and threatening suicide to Donna 3 times....if so....maybe it can be removed.......http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/26/exclusive-expert-believes-haleigh-cummings-dead-misty-splits/#

All good here Lady i hope this finds you well too :seeya: Wow i missed the suicide threats-thats huge :eek:

[LadyFisher]

Thanks for the kind words, and likewise LadyFisher, I think this is a great place to dicuss Haleigh's case, so you will be seeing more of me.

Misty confuses me; I have always thought that she was most likely gone, when HaLeigh was taken; but now I tend to believe she may know more; she just seems beyond her years in street smarts.

Part of the problem is that so many have come forward later, like Tommy, after seven months saying her checked the house and no one was home. The main problem I have with that, is that I think JR would be old enough to have told someone that they left the house that night; but instead he offers the man in black story.I thought she was probably gone, too....but she seemed by all accounts to have a penchant for coke and oxy.....now I've never done either of them...but once my momma had to take oxy...she wasn't even use to taking aspirins much less a strong narcotic...and she hallucinated....although Misty was probably drug tolerant....couldn't the coke or something make her do something she normally wouldn't:shrug:....just thinking out loud here....this case just bugs me so badly.....I want this child found....

[LadyFisher]

All good here Lady i hope this finds you well too :seeya: Wow i missed the suicide threats-thats huge :eek: yes, it is.....it worries me....because if she does commit suicide we may never have the answers to Haleigh's disappearance.....imho

[Tracian]

yes, it is.....it worries me....because if she does commit suicide we may never have the answers to Haleigh's disappearance.....imho


At the risk of sounding cold, I don't buy the story. I know that my daughter when upset, would say very dramatically, "Oh..maybe I should just kill myself"

IMO, Misty most likely made those comments when feeling pressured, I don't see her as suicidal.

[lorettalockhorn]

Welcome ladies (gents? lady and gent?)! :seeya:

At the risk of sounding fractious, I think if Misty was truly suicidal, she would stay with in the bosom of the Cummings family. At any rate, she seems to have some pretty strong self-preservation instincts. But someone ought to do her a favor and warn her that if she's buying street drugs, how easy it would be for someone to poison/dose/kill her. I'm thinking she's probably not much more popular around Satsuma than she is on the internet.

Thanks for the links!

[SaraSidle]

At the risk of sounding cold, I don't buy the story. I know that my daughter when upset, would say very dramatically, "Oh..maybe I should just kill myself"

IMO, Misty most likely made those comments when feeling pressured, I don't see her as suicidal.

It is so nice to see you posting here again Tracian. I can see why it would be awful for Misty to end her life but I agree with you. I think she wants media attention and to be paid for it. I wonder how long she will be with mom and dad. I also agree with TM. SHe is probably no longer alive and not far from Satsuma. I really hope this stays in the media as long as possible.

[beemer]

Oh i agree-anyone who threatens suicide generally doesn't do it. Usually suicide is a shock to those around them. I just think it was huge she said it. Misty may be street smart but she's not much else and she doesn't see how the rest of us see her on the outside looking in. I took it as her way of seeking attention and sympathy. She wouldn't know any better. Little does she realize she is just on her way to a slow death if she doesn't quit messing with those drugs.

[beemer]

I just wanted to add-Misty really cant afford to be killing off any of the few firing and remaining brain cells she has. If she keeps it up she's gonna be wearing a drooly bib :eek:

[One2Snoop]

Investigators set up email for Haleigh Cummings tips
By
Drew Petrimoulx
@ October 28, 2009 2:56 PM
(AP) A new e-mail address has been created for people to communicate tips and leads directly with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office about missing Florida girl Haleigh Cummings.

The address - haleigh@putnamsheriff.org - is in addition to the Crime Stopper tip line.

Authorities said on Wednesday that this address will help ensure that all of the e-mails coming into the sheriff's office are routed to the appropriate person.

Haleigh, then five years old, disappeared in February from her father's trailer home, in a heavily wooded area near the central Florida town of Satsuma.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/investigators-set-up-email-for.html

[lorettalockhorn]

The Dangers Our Children Face Walking To School

http://jacksonville.com/interact/blog/william_jackson/2009-10-28/the_dangers_our_children_face_walking_to_school

Amber Alert's record shows it can make a crucial difference

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/amber-alerts-record-shows-it-can-make-a-crucial-a-difference/1047419

[Tracian]

It is so nice to see you posting here again Tracian. I can see why it would be awful for Misty to end her life but I agree with you. I think she wants media attention and to be paid for it. I wonder how long she will be with mom and dad. I also agree with TM. SHe is probably no longer alive and not far from Satsuma. I really hope this stays in the media as long as possible.


Thank you Sara, it is nice to see so many old friends.

Misty, in my opinion, as this case has evolved has gone from being a 17 year old girl, to someone that has a great deal of street smarts, as well as a very strong drive for self protection.

I have rewatched some of the early interviews, she seems to cry on cue, she says a lot of self serving comments, and at times closes her eyes while answering questions...

[LadyFisher]

Thank you Sara, it is nice to see so many old friends.

Misty, in my opinion, as this case has evolved has gone from being a 17 year old girl, to someone that has a great deal of street smarts, as well as a very strong drive for self protection.

I have rewatched some of the early interviews, she seems to cry on cue, she says a lot of self serving comments, and at times closes her eyes while answering questions...Here are some signs of lying I found online.......How to Tell if Someone is Lying
The tell-tale signs on how to tell if someone is lying are:

The eyes may momentarily and unconsciously flicker to the left or right
Pupils of the eye may narrow.
Lying is stressful. It can cause certain areas of the body to become dry. They may lick their the lips or run their tongue across their teeth.
People may swallow hard.
They may momentarily smirk.
They may have inappropriate facial reactions in comparison to what is said.
They may have a fake smile. When a smile is sincere, all of the facial muscles are used. When a smile is insincere, only the muscles around the mouth are used. For instance, if a smile is insincere, the smile wrinkles around the eyes usually do not appear. Furthermore, when a smile is forced, the teeth usually do not appear.
They may have a blank expression.
Eyes move down and to the left or right.
In addition to facial reactions, body language can indicate lying. Some of these reactions are:

They may act nervous, fidgety, or tap their foot.
They may rub their forehead near the temples.
People may feel threatened when they lie. They may keep the arms and close to the body as a protective measure.
They may sweat more. A thin layer of perspiration may appear on the face and palms.
Their face may become flushed.
They may bite their lower lip or suck in their cheeks.
When a person is under stress, tissues in the nose will fill up with blood, and their nose may itch.
When a person lies, they may revert back to childhood reactions like covering their mouth, touching their head, or wringing their hands.
They usually hide their palms or put their hands in their pockets.
They may fiddle with objects or place objects between you and themselves.
They are less likely to face you directly and may turn their face or body away from you.
They may cross their arms or legs.
They may subconsciously try to hide by their body by occupying less space. Their posture usually is not straight. They may slouch and pull their chest in.
They may breathe heavier.
They may use less hand gestures.
They are more likely to
They are less likely to correct imperfections in their stories.
They are more likely to use second and third personal pronounts like we and they rather than I.
The way a person talks can also reveal if they are lying. Some of these indicators are:

When people lie, they normally get defensive and raise their voice.
Their voice tone may also be lower, and they appear less confident.
They may answer a question with the words of question. For example, if you ask them if they took the money. They may answer, "No. I did not take the money."
To get out of an uncomfortable situation, they may talk rapidly.
A guilty person usually becomes defensive, whereas an innocent person becomes offensive.
A person may speak more slowly; pause in between words; use stilted language or use filler words like uh, um, and ah while trying to choose their words or think of an explanation.
They may say too much or too little.
They are more likely to give short responses.
They have a tendency to use less contractions. For instance, if they are asked, "Did you steal the money?" They may answer, "I did not steal the money."
They may use terms like "to be perfectly honest" or "to tell the truth."
They may take longer before answering a question.
They are more likely to ask a question to be repeated.
Although none of these signs are conclusive by themselves, when you notice several signs, the chances are fairly good they are lying. One thing to remember when you are assessing behavior is whatever tell-tale sign you observe, it normally coincides with the moment the lie is being told. Furthermore, baseline behavior is important. If you know what a person acts like normally, it is easier to spot differences. Compare how they act before and after the suspected lie. Were they more relaxed before or after the suspected lie?

[LadyFisher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E This video just bugs me....why does she say if I had heard something I wouldn't have let THEM take her.....:eek: blanket was in that van that they took, who are they???

[LadyFisher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E This video just bugs me....why does she say if I had heard something I wouldn't have let THEM take her.....:eek: blanket was in that van that they took, who are they???

I wanted to add that these are only two of the things that were quoted by me on a previous post about lying.....They are less likely to correct imperfections in their stories.
They are more likely to use second and third personal pronouns like we and they rather than I.

[One2Snoop]

Posted this today in the Caylee Anthony discussion....

10 Ways To Catch A Liar
Wednesday, October 28, 2009
Article By Heather Hatfield WebMD Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

J.J. Newberry was a trained federal agent, skilled in the art of deception detection. So when a witness to a shooting sat in front of him and tried to tell him that when she heard gunshots she didn’t look, she just ran — he knew she was lying.

Tip No. 1: Inconsistencies

“When you want to know if someone is lying, look for inconsistencies in what they are saying,” says Newberry, who was a federal agent for 30 years and a police officer for five.

When the woman he was questioning said she ran and hid after hearing gunshots — without looking — Newberry saw the inconsistency immediately.

“There was something that just didn’t fit,” says Newberry. “She heard gunshots but she didn’t look? I knew that was inconsistent with how a person would respond to a situation like that.”

So when she wasn’t paying attention, he banged on the table. She looked right at him.

“When a person hears a noise, it’s a natural reaction to look toward it,” Newberry tells WebMD. “I knew she heard those gunshots, looked in the direction from which they came, saw the shooter, and then ran.”

Sure enough, he was right.

“Her story was just illogical,” says Newberry. “And that’s what you should look for when you’re talking to someone who isn’t being truthful. Are there inconsistencies that just don’t fit?”

Tip No. 2: Ask the Unexpected

“About 4% of people are accomplished liars and they can do it well,” says Newberry. “But because there are no Pinocchio responses to a lie, you have to catch them in it.”

Sir Walter Scott put it best: “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!” But how can you a catch a person in his own web of lies?

“Watch them carefully,” says Newberry. “And then when they don’t expect it, ask them one question that they are not prepared to answer to trip them up.”

snip
more at the link....
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/10/10-ways-to-catch-a-liar/

[SaraSidle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E This video just bugs me....why does she say if I had heard something I wouldn't have let THEM take her.....:eek: blanket was in that van that they took, who are they???


And RC bugs me in the end.
he does not act like someone happy to get married.
She is definitely lying a lot in that video per the above posts.

[Amy]

Thank you Sara, it is nice to see so many old friends.

Misty, in my opinion, as this case has evolved has gone from being a 17 year old girl, to someone that has a great deal of street smarts, as well as a very strong drive for self protection.

I have rewatched some of the early interviews, she seems to cry on cue, she says a lot of self serving comments, and at times closes her eyes while answering questions...

And, her repeated statement about "I'm just a 17 y/o girl, what do you expect?" I can't remember if she said that during any of the "tests" performed in conjunction w/Tim Miller, or in the interviews after. But, really, that statement got pretty old quickly, just like Ron's "I was working to make an honest living" or variations of it. Methinks she was protesting too much. Someone gave her the idea that surely no one would think a 17 y/o girl could be manipulative, or evil, or could make a little girl disappear so much that 7 months later, she still hasn't been found.

[Tracian]

And, her repeated statement about "I'm just a 17 y/o girl, what do you expect?" I can't remember if she said that during any of the "tests" performed in conjunction w/Tim Miller, or in the interviews after. But, really, that statement got pretty old quickly, just like Ron's "I was working to make an honest living" or variations of it. Methinks she was protesting too much. Someone gave her the idea that surely no one would think a 17 y/o girl could be manipulative, or evil, or could make a little girl disappear so much that 7 months later, she still hasn't been found.


I agree with you about Misty, the statements, "I am only 17' was after the failed tests by Tim.

As far as Ron saying he was at work, until LE tells us otherwise, that really is the only first hand knowledge of that night he has; being at work.


I don't think either Ron or Crystal are good speakers; of course, few are under such circumstances.

[lorettalockhorn]

The video you've never seen - Exposing the search for Haleigh. -- Tonight on Action News, after the Mentalist on CBS47

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/default.aspx

[lorettalockhorn]

E-mail address accepts tips on HeLeigh Cummings

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office has set up a new e-mail address devoted to information about HaLeigh Cummings, the Satsuma child who disappeared in February.

The new address is haleigh@putnamsheriff.org.

"We continue to receive a large number of tips and leads," said Deputy Hancel Woods, assistant public information officer with the sheriff's office.

"Some of those were being e-mailed to us directly, along with all the other correspondence for the sheriff's office," he said. "This will make sure that a lead will get routed to the right person, so we don't miss anything."

Those with possible information about the missing child are also asked to call Crimestoppers at (888) 277-TIPS.

HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings was 5 years old when she disappeared from her father's blue doublewide trailer in the Hermit's Cove area of Putnam County the night of Feb. 9.

Her father, Ronald Cummings, was at work in Palatka at the time.

Misty Croslin, Cummings' live-in girlfriend, was babysitting HaLeigh and Ronald Jr., Cummings' son, who turned 4 after his sister's disappearance.

Croslin told investigators she put HaLeigh to bed at 8 p.m. and last saw the little girl around 10. She said that she went to bed herself between 10:30 and 11.

She said she got up shortly before 3:30 in the morning, and HaLeigh had vanished from the trailer.

Cummings and Croslin were married on March 12.

A St. Johns County judge finalized their divorce on Oct. 15.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/102909/news_102909_035.shtml

[lorettalockhorn]

Tim Miller Compares Searches For Somer, Haleigh

http://www.wesh.com/video/21431618/index.html

[SaraSidle]

Tim Miller Compares Searches For Somer, Haleigh

http://www.wesh.com/video/21431618/index.html

interesting comparison. In my opinion I do not feel like the landfill was searched properly in Haleigh's case either. not that she is there but I agree that Somer's search was done more efficiently. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

interesting comparison. In my opinion I do not feel like the landfill was searched properly in Haleigh's case either. not that she is there but I agree that Somer's search was done more efficiently. IMO

What I picked up on was a not too subtle criticism of a lack of cooperation or coordination.

[SaraSidle]

What I picked up on was a not too subtle criticism of a lack of cooperation or coordination.

yes that was forefront on TM's views and I agree with that and that LE opinion is my own only...:seeya:

[beemer]

Last words on video-TM wonders if it's time to pack up ES and quit :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

The search for Haleigh Cummings

To watch additional exclusive search video, see the video player in the top right of this page.

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Haleigh Cummings home is only a speck on the map of Palatka county. Even from a birds-eye view, it is hard to see the homes in Haleigh's neighborhood. Finding a six year old girl has been even harder.

"Each one of those plots were searched the best they could be," says George Pottorf, who has been searching for Haleigh since the day she went missing.

Each step behind Haleigh's neighborhood takes you deeper and deeper into the woods. Action News found that once we hit certain spots in the woods, you could barely see a person in front of you, let alone a scrap of evidence at your feet. They are woods, a forest, that only experts can get through. Woods so deep and so thick, that even our camera had a hard time getting through some of the thickest terrain in Florida.

This is the first time the public gets to see why a search on this land is so difficult.

"You don't want to find anything, that's the key," says Pottorf. "Actually, you're hoping for a good result and obviously if you find what you are looking for, it's not going to be a good end result."

Pottorf has the training necessary to find the clues that could lead to a break in the Haleigh case. He owns hundreds of acres right next to Haleigh's home and knows the land well. As a lieutenant with the Florida Fish and Wildlife, George is also an expert in the water. In the early hours of the investigation, George searched for Haleigh by boat too.

"On the very first day, we spent probably about 16 hours out here. We were hoping to find just a cold wet little girl."

The area Haleigh was taken from is filled with razor sharp palmettos, vines and shrubs. Finding a shred of evidence is almost impossible for the untrained eye.

"That's why we like trained searchers to be able to try to identify recent items, versus something that's been there awhile," explains Pottorf.

Most of the woods aren't walkable. Searchers needed four wheelers just to get through. In these woods, even the most obvious piece of evidence can be hidden by nature.

You would think someone would pull off the road and say lets search right here, it's going to be easy but in reality it's hard.

"In reality its going to be tough, at least the first 50 feet is going to be," explains Pottorf. "Trying to walk through there with the hollowed out sections, your foot would go in but your body would keep going, people were constantly tripping."

While searchers hunted for clues they were also worried about things hunting them. The woods are filled with deadly spiders, ticks, rattle snakes, cottonmouths and pygmy rattlers.

Pottorf says potential evidence created problems in the search too.

"A lot of times searchers would find remains [...] which are obviously animals," he said.

Satsuma woods are filled with animal bones. Each time some are spotted, George says the search has to stop.

"Obviously we'd have to stop, mark it, tag it, if we thought there was anything suspicious about it, especially in the later weeks. Obviously in the early weeks you're not going to have that type of deterioration, but it held up the investigation several times."

Search crews went through four thousand acres of thick North Florida country side searching for Haleigh, and there are thousands of acres left to be searched. These acres become just a spot from the sky, but people believe that spot may hold the answers to find Haleigh.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/The-search-for-Haleigh-Cummings/DBnR5p00YEyVxwGMBu1lIg.cspx[/I]

[LadyFisher]

Good grief, I hope that child's body is not out in that infested mess somewhere..:eek:...it's flashbacks of the Caylee case :eek:imho

[SaraSidle]

Good grief, I hope that child's body is not out in that infested mess somewhere..:eek:...it's flashbacks of the Caylee case :eek:imho

dang I was thinking the same thing. especially when I saw the snake part.

I know I read somewhere that when they used the dogs and found the smell in the dumpster the dogs also led to a path and then stopped. And a child's foot print was found somewhere.

[One2Snoop]

Last words on video-TM wonders if it's time to pack up ES and quit :eek:

OK, I saw that and didn't quite get what was being said - did he mean quit ES forever or just looking for Haleigh? :confused: I think this case has really gotten to him - down to the core. TM has set in his mind Haleigh is no longer living, so I believe someone said something to make him think that. I sure hope this isn't a case of burnout but after the way he was treated in the Anthony case and now the Haleigh case, who can blame him? :shrug:

[beemer]

OK, I saw that and didn't quite get what was being said - did he mean quit ES forever or just looking for Haleigh? :confused: I think this case has really gotten to him - down to the core. TM has set in his mind Haleigh is no longer living, so I believe someone said something to make him think that. I sure hope this isn't a case of burnout but after the way he was treated in the Anthony case and now the Haleigh case, who can blame him? :shrug:

Now that you say that snoop-not sure either. I hate to think of either but i can understand in the search for Haleigh. So many others that need his help. I know with what that man has been thru over the years this may be what makes him decide enough. These last 2 have been mind benders. Not the usual response of grateful for help from these last ingrates. He looks worn thats for sure. Maybe he could just turn it over to someone else to head up.

[Woostock]

Loretta
thank you for all the updates you send!! It really helps that the info is right there without having to search. The latest info regarding the unyielding environment around the trailer is very discouraging. Actually it is sickening to even imagine that Haleigh was ever there. I am so concerned that whoever did this will go unpunished. I guess it is possible that we may never know......what really went on that night.

[samanthajane13]

I think that IF Haleigh even got into the woods, she was long dead.

[BeastofBears]

I think that IF Haleigh even got into the woods, she was long dead.

Not to defend the indefensibles, but I could imagine MC being out of it or cranky from a bender, and "stubborn" Hayleigh marching out of the house...and ending badly in the woods. Is it most likely? No, but possible :shrug:

imo, moo.

[beemer]

For some reason i keep hearing her stupid statement "I'm only 17" in my head. So in her mind the fact that she's only 17 never mattered when she engaged in drugs,partying,sex,marriage,divorce,no job,education etc. etc. Mind boggling it never crossed her mind when she accepted the ring "I'm only 17" :cuss:

[LadyFisher]

OK, I saw that and didn't quite get what was being said - did he mean quit ES forever or just looking for Haleigh? :confused: I think this case has really gotten to him - down to the core. TM has set in his mind Haleigh is no longer living, so I believe someone said something to make him think that. I sure hope this isn't a case of burnout but after the way he was treated in the Anthony case and now the Haleigh case, who can blame him? :shrug:I think he is burnt out, too....and I can't bash him.....he has done a lot of good things....and ES has brought home many.....some they just cannot find.....he might need a long vacation ....I do think he is inundated daily with calls from desperate families wanting his help...and, of course, he wants to help everyone...but that would be impossible.....I hope he takes some time away from everything.....imho

[LadyFisher]

For some reason i keep hearing her stupid statement "I'm only 17" in my head. So in her mind the fact that she's only 17 never mattered when she engaged in drugs,partying,sex,marriage,divorce,no job,education etc. etc. Mind boggling it never crossed her mind when she accepted the ring "I'm only 17" :cuss:That statement of Misty got to me, too....it's a cop out....she's a big enough girl as you've stated above to go out on a drug/sex binge the weekend before Haleigh went missing......she's an awfully street smart 17 y/o...I do wish she would just tell what she knows and end this charade....it just burns me up.....imho:flamemad:

[LadyFisher]

Not to defend the indefensibles, but I could imagine MC being out of it or cranky from a bender, and "stubborn" Hayleigh marching out of the house...and ending badly in the woods. Is it most likely? No, but possible :shrug:

imo, moo. Didn't in one of the links Donna Brock say that Misty has quite a temper......I can envision the children getting on her nerves after her drug binge...or she was doing some on the night of the disappearance....imho:shrug:

[beemer]

Didn't in one of the links Donna Brock say that Misty has quite a temper......I can envision the children getting on her nerves after her drug binge...or she was doing some on the night of the disappearance....imho:shrug:

Yes i did read that too and it alarmed me to think of what she may have done in a fit of anger. Those poor kids-combine her temper and Ron's-my gawd-not good :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta
thank you for all the updates you send!! It really helps that the info is right there without having to search. The latest info regarding the unyielding environment around the trailer is very discouraging. Actually it is sickening to even imagine that Haleigh was ever there. I am so concerned that whoever did this will go unpunished. I guess it is possible that we may never know......what really went on that night.

You're very welcome, and apologize if some of them are late or are duplicates. My real life interferes sometimes. :cuss:

I think that IF Haleigh even got into the woods, she was long dead.

For sure, take for instance the presence of the wild hogs that the man demonstrated are in the area and the snakes, etc.

For some reason i keep hearing her stupid statement "I'm only 17" in my head. So in her mind the fact that she's only 17 never mattered when she engaged in drugs,partying,sex,marriage,divorce,no job,education etc. etc. Mind boggling it never crossed her mind when she accepted the ring "I'm only 17" :cuss:

While I agree with some of the talking heads that part of Misty's issues is that hardwiring isn't complete at her age, she can take that "only 17" and stick it where the sun don't shine. She's old enough to get married and play mommy, so she's old enough to tell the truth. (And part of the issue with her pea brain is her decision to take drugs. Apparently Ron had no problem with that.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't in one of the links Donna Brock say that Misty has quite a temper......I can envision the children getting on her nerves after her drug binge...or she was doing some on the night of the disappearance....imho:shrug:

UGH@the whole Donna Brock thing. I'm thinking she's got anger issues of her own. So like the rest of the ASWs in this case, I'll take what she has to say with a grain of salt.

I think he is burnt out, too....and I can't bash him.....he has done a lot of good things....and ES has brought home many.....some they just cannot find.....he might need a long vacation ....I do think he is inundated daily with calls from desperate families wanting his help...and, of course, he wants to help everyone...but that would be impossible.....I hope he takes some time away from everything.....imho

TES is a great outfit and I can only imagine the pressures that TM feels day in and day out. I don't understand some of his recent decisions, statements and what seems to be outbursts, but I'm perfectly willing to write it off as job stress and my armchair advice is for him to take a vacation.

[Tracian]

Yes i did read that too and it alarmed me to think of what she may have done in a fit of anger. Those poor kids-combine her temper and Ron's-my gawd-not good :eek:



For someone that is accused of having a horrible temper, I have yet to see any real evidence that he ever hurt anyone.

Likewise with the guns, the night Tommy showed up, if Ron was so violent and waved guns around, what stopped him that night? Not only that, Tommy didn't appear to have a mark on him.

[lorettalockhorn]

For someone that is accused of having a horrible temper, I have yet to see any real evidence that he ever hurt anyone.

Likewise with the guns, the night Tommy showed up, if Ron was so violent and waved guns around, what stopped him that night? Not only that, Tommy didn't appear to have a mark on him.

I think GGMS may have put the kibosh on that situation getting any worse than it was. I do wonder who put Tommy in that cervical collar though, and what the diagnosis was. Or maybe those were old pix of him with an old injury?

[Tracian]

I think GGMS may have put the kibosh on that situation getting any worse than it was. I do wonder who put Tommy in that cervical collar though, and what the diagnosis was. Or maybe those were old pix of him with an old injury?


Neck injuries are a favorite of con artists, they are nearly impossible to prove or disprove. With the current charges against Tommy and his Mother offer that they are not the most honest of folks.

[lorettalockhorn]

Neck injuries are a favorite of con artists, they are nearly impossible to prove or disprove. With the current charges against Tommy and his Mother offer that they are not the most honest of folks.

Doesn't all of that go without saying?

[LadyFisher]

Neck injuries are a favorite of con artists, they are nearly impossible to prove or disprove. With the current charges against Tommy and his Mother offer that they are not the most honest of folks.And fake injuries can help you attain prescription narcotic muscle relaxers or pain meds.......my own dentist here had to change his home phone because he told me there were too many dopers calling him on the weekend claiming pain just to get a script....:rolleyes:

[LadyFisher]

I think that IF Haleigh even got into the woods, she was long dead.So do I, Sam.....If she's dead...I'd bet she was first put in that dumpster....where the cadaver dogs hit.....and then the perp decided that was just too risky and moved her body....I am still praying she's alive....but with all these s/o and dopers in that area....I am losing hope of that...just as TM did....but I also thought Sean Hornbeck was dead here in Missouri and we had a miracle....so you just never ever know...imho

[wind149]

I agree, the I am only 17 is a total pile of horse crap! This inbred piece of trash was probably not even a virgin at age 5, she probably has done drugs and alcohol at a young age with her parents and she smokes, so this chickie ain't no shrinking violet!! That 17 thing is her smokescreen, her cop-out as it were, kinda like Cindy who always lays the, "well I don't want to answer that, you will have to ask my lawyer" But she as long as she pre-approves the questions, she is in her freaking glory. Now some smart cookies in FL posted on Art's site some interesting points that I found to be very profound. The 911 calls. The first one, on 2/10 was very vague, she was not showing much emotion like most people would if the child who has been left in their care was missing, and it was all she could do to answer the dispatcher's questions, she was not crying or screaming, she was, well, just bland and robotic.

But, when she calls 911 to report that alleged "robbery" of her illicit drugs, she is freaking out, crying and screaming, and claiming she is so injured, the dispatcher feels compelled to call the paramedics to the scene and she goes to the hospital complaining of arm pain. All about her, and yet, when the young child of her boyfriend, the same child she professes to love so much, goes missing, she is like completely dead pan, she could have been reading a menu to the dispatcher for all the emotion she showed. But on the other call, she is frantic and very upset so does this further add up that she did not give one crap if Haleigh has gone missing, and yet, when she is personally involved, she is hysterical???? Adds up totally for me.

And I am surprised she has not gone on a media junket singing the song that whoever took Somer probably was the one that took Haleigh too? I fully expected this to be reported by NG or Mike or Jane and so far, she has surprised me, but I think too, just like Cindy, she has been digging all this attention focused on her, this broad has never had anything, half the time to hear her talk, she and her family were homeless many times due in part to her parent's addictions, I am thinking she never even had new clothes or toys and she probably was humiliated in school because kids like her, dirt poor, are usually picked on for having hand me down clothes and that I am sure her parents were on the crime blotter of the local paper often so she too, never stood a chance and she must have seen Ron as the man who was gonna take her away from all of that, her knight as it were, and the kids had to come as a package deal and I think she could not handle being in that house all day with kids and what she should have done was just have dated him and Haleigh would be alive today.

Now Ron is just plain white trash too, and dumb as they come, so he really thought this twit could handle being mama and was too dumb to see that she couldn't and that is the selfishness in him. I am sure she complained to him that Haleigh would not mind her, and he simply told her to deal with it any way she saw fit and apparently, she did. I just hope someday that Haleigh's remains will be found and a COD can be established and as it stands now, it will be ruled a homicide and not an untimely. Haleigh was afraid of the dark, she did not wander into the woods and nor did she fall into the river, they are were searched as well as all of Satsuma, except, I am still thinking, the landfill.

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty's 911 call is at this link for anyone who hasn't heard it yet:

Misty is capable of emotion. Whoda thunk it?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/21/misty-cummings-new-911-call-robbed-when-drug-deal-went-bad/#more-3277

[W_D_1]

I think GGMS may have put the kibosh on that situation getting any worse than it was. I do wonder who put Tommy in that cervical collar though, and what the diagnosis was. Or maybe those were old pix of him with an old injury?



The "diagnosis" was severely strained back and neck according to an article right after the fight. I don't have the link to it but it was a video article and Tommy and Hank Sr were both interviewed. I'll search my posts on IS and see if I can find the link there.

[beemer]

Thanks for that link Loretta-thats the first I had heard it. Was there any follow up as to how bad Misty's injuries really were? Well ya hang with scum ya get scum. I still cant believe they were stupid enough to admit they were there for a drug deal :shrug: Well maybe i can ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

The "diagnosis" was severely strained back and neck according to an article right after the fight. I don't have the link to it but it was a video article and Tommy and Hank Sr were both interviewed. I'll search my posts on IS and see if I can find the link there.

Thanks and welcome! I had read that Hank Sr. had taken him to the hospital for his complaints, but didn't know there was an official diagnosis.

[Tracian]

The "diagnosis" was severely strained back and neck according to an article right after the fight. I don't have the link to it but it was a video article and Tommy and Hank Sr were both interviewed. I'll search my posts on IS and see if I can find the link there.




IIRC, HankJr. said that both Misty and Ron attacked him. I would think that if punches were thrown there would have been some evidence of this; seems that at best with the described injuries this was a pushing match.

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC, HankJr. said that both Misty and Ron attacked him. I would think that if punches were thrown there would have been some evidence of this; seems that at best with the described injuries this was a pushing match.

I think the police report said that photos of injuries had been taken and downloaded to the SO site; maybe they'll turn up at the trial. And if the PoPo is going to go to the trouble to take pix of injuries, you'd think they'd take pix of everyone's knuckles too where punches are alleged to have been thrown.

[W_D_1]

IIRC, HankJr. said that both Misty and Ron attacked him. I would think that if punches were thrown there would have been some evidence of this; seems that at best with the described injuries this was a pushing match.

I think the police report said that photos of injuries had been taken and downloaded to the SO site; maybe they'll turn up at the trial. And if the PoPo is going to go to the trouble to take pix of injuries, you'd think they'd take pix of everyone's knuckles too where punches are alleged to have been thrown.



The police report said photos were taken of Ron and Tommy IIRC. We also saw pictures of the bump on Misty's head when she filed for the RO on Tommy so I'm guessing they took pics of everyone involved.

[wind149]

Whatever injuries she sustained they were minor and probably did not even warrant being seen by paramedics, but like I said, her world has been falling apart as of late, she flunks 3 polygraphs and a voice stress test, and it is revealed that she flunked miserably, then the whole gig with her brother and the rat thing, then Ron smartens up and kicks her to the curb and she is basically homeless, her parents have moved to TN to only find her sea hag mama is arrested and extradited back to FL for stealing and cashing checks and then Donna the Dog BFF's her trying to get info and the road rage thing goes down and then she is with 2 other losers going to a known crackhouse and she gets pushed to the ground and robbed of her drugs, and for once the focus is on her, she wants everyone to feel sorry for her, so she calls 911 just to get sympathy, "Gee, Misty's life just sucks, she just can't catch a break"

And boy, did that backfire on her as I thinking that she thought Ron might come running, begging her to come back to him and forget about the divorce??? And he did not even say one word about it publicly anyway. So she figures if she gets a boo boo, then maybe some other sucker will come and sweep her off her feet, because getting a job to support herself will never cross her teeny mind, this type always lives off men and seeing as she has had no education you might as well say, job prospects are slim to none and who would want to hire her to do anything??? So I guess she gonna sleaze off her granny for now, but mark my words, there will be some other low life that will think she is a hottie and he will bring her to live at his shack and I pray he will have no kids.

[Tracian]

The police report said photos were taken of Ron and Tommy IIRC. We also saw pictures of the bump on Misty's head when she filed for the RO on Tommy so I'm guessing they took pics of everyone involved.


I agree, pictures were taken of everyone. IMO, the lack of injuries seen on both Ron and Tommy don't prove that anything really intense happened. My 9year old son looked worse after playing Pop Warner football.

[LadyFisher]

Whatever injuries she sustained they were minor and probably did not even warrant being seen by paramedics, but like I said, her world has been falling apart as of late, she flunks 3 polygraphs and a voice stress test, and it is revealed that she flunked miserably, then the whole gig with her brother and the rat thing, then Ron smartens up and kicks her to the curb and she is basically homeless, her parents have moved to TN to only find her sea hag mama is arrested and extradited back to FL for stealing and cashing checks and then Donna the Dog BFF's her trying to get info and the road rage thing goes down and then she is with 2 other losers going to a known crackhouse and she gets pushed to the ground and robbed of her drugs, and for once the focus is on her, she wants everyone to feel sorry for her, so she calls 911 just to get sympathy, "Gee, Misty's life just sucks, she just can't catch a break"

And boy, did that backfire on her as I thinking that she thought Ron might come running, begging her to come back to him and forget about the divorce??? And he did not even say one word about it publicly anyway. So she figures if she gets a boo boo, then maybe some other sucker will come and sweep her off her feet, because getting a job to support herself will never cross her teeny mind, this type always lives off men and seeing as she has had no education you might as well say, job prospects are slim to none and who would want to hire her to do anything??? So I guess she gonna sleaze off her granny for now, but mark my words, there will be some other low life that will think she is a hottie and he will bring her to live at his shack and I pray he will have no kids.
Wind, had Donna Brock gotten Misty to tell her the truth about that night everyone would be singing her praises...but since the attempt failed...she is viewed with disdain......this case was going cold until the last poly, voice analysis, etc....and then Donna coming onto the scene......Misty knew that Donna was connected to ES....yet, she contacted her....I say kudos to Donna and Tim for at least giving it a try.... it brought interest back onto this case...this child needs to be found...imho

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree, pictures were taken of everyone. IMO, the lack of injuries seen on both Ron and Tommy don't prove that anything really intense happened. My 9year old son looked worse after playing Pop Warner football.

The police report stated that pictures were taken of injuries. Is it possible that the photos were taken of non-injuries? I haven't seen the pix to know if they showed a lack of injuries; have they been published somewhere?

[SaraSidle]

Wind, had Donna Brock gotten Misty to tell her the truth about that night everyone would be singing her praises...but since the attempt failed...she is viewed with disdain......this case was going cold until the last poly, voice analysis, etc....and then Donna coming onto the scene......Misty knew that Donna was connected to ES....yet, she contacted her....I say kudos to Donna and Tim for at least giving it a try.... it brought interest back onto this case...this child needs to be found...imho

ITA LadyFisher

FYI NG is balloon boy and Somer

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, had Donna Brock gotten Misty to tell her the truth about that night everyone would be singing her praises...but since the attempt failed...she is viewed with disdain......this case was going cold until the last poly, voice analysis, etc....and then Donna coming onto the scene......Misty knew that Donna was connected to ES....yet, she contacted her....I say kudos to Donna and Tim for at least giving it a try.... it brought interest back onto this case...this child needs to be found...imho

Personally, I view Donna Brock with disdain because of her admitted behavior, i.e. her anger issue(s) demonstrated in the road rage incident. And as a contributor to TES, I don't find that particular expenditure a wise choice. But had Donna not lost her not so well-heeled cool and had learned something, I might feel different(ly). It was an ill-advised outing as it stands.

[Tracian]

The police report stated that pictures were taken of injuries. Is it possible that the photos were taken of non-injuries? I haven't seen the pix to know if they showed a lack of injuries; have they been published somewhere?

There may have been some redness or something, but anything serious, like black eyes, swollen lips, or deep brusing would have been visable when Tommy gave his interview, IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Somer Thompson is mourned; Haleigh Cummings is still missing

The cases of two missing children in Florida have key differences.

ORANGE PARK - Across the street from where 7-year-old Somer Thompson lived in suburban Orange Park, a memorial grows in the shade of an old oak tree.

Friends, family and strangers leave candles, flowers, prayer cards, teddy bears, balloons and short, hopeful notes: "You're OK now. God got U Baby" and "You are my Sunshine" and "Justice for Somer."

Profound sadness surrounds the place but so does a certain sense of closure: Somer Thompson lived here. She is gone now. Somebody did a horrible thing to her, but many others loved this girl.

Fifty miles south in rural Satsuma, there is no closure.

In February, 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings' disappearance captured national attention. Now a billboard along U.S. 17 flashes Haleigh's face every few seconds at drivers passing through town and provides a number to call with tips.

But unlike Somer, whose body was discovered in a Georgia landfill two days after she disappeared, Haleigh has never been found.

Missing-children's experts involved in both cases say the cooperation of Somer's family and her community coupled with some creative and aggressive detective work by the Clay County Sheriff's Office led to the girl's discovery.

At the same time, some say inconsistencies in the story told by the last person believed to have seen Haleigh late Feb. 9, has thwarted the efforts of investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

It's been the difference, they say, between one little girl being found and put to rest near her home and a series of fruitless searches through woods, lakes and fields that have turned up no body after nearly nine months.

"In Clay County, they said, 'You know, we've got a little girl missing. Let's go to work,'" said Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch, who is familiar with both cases. "They've got a family that's being honest. They've got a community that's being honest. They got right in on it and they just did a tremendous job."

On Tuesday, Somer was buried at the Jacksonville Memory Gardens near her home. The discovery of her body has the community frightened, but also confident her killer will be found.

But in Haleigh's case, Miller said investigators still are not sure exactly when the child disappeared. Initially, they thought the child had been abducted from her father Ronald Cummings' double-wide in Satsuma.

By mid August, about the time Haleigh would have turned 6, they were publicly expressing doubt that a stranger had taken Haleigh. And investigators noted that his then-girlfriend Misty Croslin-Cummings "continues to hold important answers in the case."

Tests have shown Misty Cummings to be deceptive when answering questions about Haleigh's disappearance.

"From very, very early on, we stated publicly there were inconsistencies in Misty's story about what happened that evening," said Putnam Sheriff's Deputy Hancel Woods, adding that investigators continue to work the case daily as they've handled nearly 6,000 tips.

While praising the team investigating Somer's case in neighboring Clay County, Woods said the two cases have many differences and nothing at this point suggests they might be related. "Obviously there are similarities drawn due to geographic proximity and the girls' ages, but each case stands on its own," Woods said.

While Clay County detectives have received widespread praise for finding Somer so soon, experts say Putnam County officials have done their job well too.

"Putnam County [investigators] did everything right," Miller said this week. "Unfortunately they didn't have a damn thing to work with . . . We don't know positively for sure that the girl [Haleigh] was in the house."

Miller added, "Misty Cummings holds the key and Misty Cummings can bring an end to this in the next 15 minutes."

Investigators working on the Somer Thompson case didn't have the frustration of dealing with someone being disingenuous; they had the pressure of time slipping away with each hour Somer was missing.

But they were prepared. Several months earlier they had trained for just such a scenario, a child who went missing after school.

They had started searching Somer's neighborhood quickly, including the trash coming out of the Grove Park neighborhood where the girl was last seen walking home from school early last week, according Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler.

But one detective, Bruce Owens, came to work early the morning after Somer was reported missing and noticed "Dumpsters were being picked up" in the neighborhood, Beseler said. "Bruce said to me that morning, 'We need to get on those Dumpsters,'" Beseler said. "I said, 'I want a deputy on every garbage truck.'"

Orange Park's trash is brought to a local transfer station before being hauled up to a Georgia landfill, where the child was found.

If Beseler's team had not tracked the trucks -- and their contents -- as soon as they did, he said it would have been much harder, perhaps impossible, to ever find Somer and valuable evidence.

"She might have been under too much debris," he said. "In any abduction murder case your crime scene is wherever the body is found. Time and the elements cause degradation of any forensic value."

Beseler, who is still awaiting forensic testing done in the wake of Somer's discovery, added, "It has had to unnerve the person who did this that we found her body so quickly."

By late this week about 50 detectives from the sheriff's office, FBI, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the U.S. Marshal's Service were working the case.

The crucial discovery of Somer's body so soon may provide a wealth of "forensic evidence," including possible fingerprints, fibers and DNA samples, said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

"You have the ultimate evidence of the crime scene," Allen said. "While it is a tragedy and an outrage, it does provide substantial evidence for a positive ending. You've got somewhere to start."

He called the sheriff's decision to rapidly follow the trucks "brilliant" and a tactic that will likely be followed by other law enforcement agencies in the future.

Woods, in Putnam County, said investigators searched the landfill as part of Haleigh's investigation as well. Such searches are routine parts of missing child and suspected abduction cases.

"I personally was inside a Dumpster, searching that morning," said Woods. The "meticulous" landfill search came a little later, but that's because trash pick up in the area did not occur immediately after Haleigh was reported missing as it did in Somer's case, he said.

Allen emphasized that Cases like Haleigh's, in which the child is not found within days or months, should not be forgotten.

"The reality in each of these cases is: Somebody knows," Allen said. "Somebody knows where Haleigh Cummings is. It's really important that we not let the world forget."

"The key to this case is us getting that one tip, that one lead from someone who know something," Woods said.

Meanwhile, back at the memorial for Somer at the corner of Debarry Avenue and Horton Drive in Orange Park, Kaliyah Allen, who lives near the Thompson home but does not know the family, said the investigators working the case appear to be handling it well.

"I think they're doing the best they can without exposing too much information and hurting their case," she said. "They're building a case. Honestly, I think they're doing a good job."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-somer-thompson-haleigh-cummings-case-103009,0,2680739,full.story

[Tracian]

Wind, had Donna Brock gotten Misty to tell her the truth about that night everyone would be singing her praises...but since the attempt failed...she is viewed with disdain......this case was going cold until the last poly, voice analysis, etc....and then Donna coming onto the scene......Misty knew that Donna was connected to ES....yet, she contacted her....I say kudos to Donna and Tim for at least giving it a try.... it brought interest back onto this case...this child needs to be found...imho

I would have felt differently about this 'undercover' stunt if Tim would not have released so much to the media in regards to Misty's tests--that should have been only given to LE, and they should have made the call.

Just like offering what Ron said about Misty; if Ron's idea was to get Misty to talk, broadcasting that all over the place kinda messed that up.

[SaraSidle]

so Tracian do you have any theories on what happened to Haleigh?

[wind149]

I just posted two comments on the Orlando Sentinel site about what I think are the differences in these two cases. First off, the Thompson's are law-abiding decent folks who love and cherish their children and would lay their own life down for them and the Scummings/Croslin clan are just low life's who should have never been allowed to breed as they are all terrible parents and how could a man hook up with a child with the mentality level of a 1st grader, 8 years his junior and expect her to be the mama of these kids?? And one he knew loved to party and do drugs and slept around? And was unfaithful to him the weekend before Haleigh came up missing and it was with a low life black drug dealer??? And how Misty has been lying through her tooth from day one and that Putnam has yet to arrest her, but Orange CO arrested Casey on child neglect and lying to officials so why can't Putnam do the same? IMO, the only ones that have kept this case alive and actually have tried to get the truth out of that skank and have tried many ploys to do so is Art and TM. They have both done far more than those Barney's, all they do is say every couple of weeks is they are checking out leads and that is never gonna pan out unless it is a done deal where her body is and I believe it went to the landfill. No sightings of her in Maple Woods VT are gonna pan out anymore than supposed sightings of Caylee in OK did and we all know where Caylee's final resting spot was found, mere blocks from her home and I wonder how far away the landfill is from that trailer park, ours here is about 10 miles away. So I just wonder how long Putnam is just gonna spin wheels and just lamely, following up on these so called leads.

[Tracian]

so Tracian do you have any theories on what happened to Haleigh?


What I hope, is that some family member took her, and she is being well cared for; and I keep holding that.

However, what I think, worse case scenario, is the accidental overdose theory.

I think it is possible, that Misty has one or two people over at the house; I think it is possible that HaLeigh accidentally ingested some kind of drug that sadly overdosed her.

I think it is possible, that what Jr. saw (the man in black bouncing on the couch) was an attempt to revive HaLeigh, maybe CPR.

I also think it is possible that Misty called her brother, Tommy, after the fact, and he helped her cover up the crime, and concoct a story about HaLeigh being abducted.

I say possible not to be snippy, but to be very clear, that I have no proof of my theory, just piecing together the stuff that has been reported in the media, and the precious little that LE has offered.

I find it very troubling that Tommy, apparently didn't offer that he visited the house until after he was sitting in jail; and that LE traveled out of state, to speak to the other members of Misty's family.

IMO, LE seems to be focused on Misty, and her family above all else.

[SaraSidle]

What I hope, is that some family member took her, and she is being well cared for; and I keep holding that.

However, what I think, worse case scenario, is the accidental overdose theory.

I think it is possible, that Misty has one or two people over at the house; I think it is possible that HaLeigh accidentally ingested some kind of drug that sadly overdosed her.

I think it is possible, that what Jr. saw (the man in black bouncing on the couch) was an attempt to revive HaLeigh, maybe CPR.

I also think it is possible that Misty called her brother, Tommy, after the fact, and he helped her cover up the crime, and concoct a story about HaLeigh being abducted.

I say possible not to be snippy, but to be very clear, that I have no proof of my theory, just piecing together the stuff that has been reported in the media, and the precious little that LE has offered.

I find it very troubling that Tommy, apparently didn't offer that he visited the house until after he was sitting in jail; and that LE traveled out of state, to speak to the other members of Misty's family.

IMO, LE seems to be focused on Misty, and her family above all else.

Well no one has any proof of anything at this point. but your theory does sound feasible. I also think a blanket and the van were involved.
I am finding it hard to believe she is still alive after all this time. People talk.
On the other hand as I posted a while ago.......a boy was hidden between 2 walls and survived. If she is not I am thinking accidental and probably accidental drug overdose. Also I know I heard the inhaler was left behind but was it empty and she had an attack?????? I just do not know....thanks

[lorettalockhorn]

I just posted two comments on the Orlando Sentinel site about what I think are the differences in these two cases. First off, the Thompson's are law-abiding decent folks who love and cherish their children and would lay their own life down for them and the Scummings/Croslin clan are just low life's who should have never been allowed to breed as they are all terrible parents and how could a man hook up with a child with the mentality level of a 1st grader, 8 years his junior and expect her to be the mama of these kids?? And one he knew loved to party and do drugs and slept around? And was unfaithful to him the weekend before Haleigh came up missing and it was with a low life black drug dealer??? And how Misty has been lying through her tooth from day one and that Putnam has yet to arrest her, but Orange CO arrested Casey on child neglect and lying to officials so why can't Putnam do the same? IMO, the only ones that have kept this case alive and actually have tried to get the truth out of that skank and have tried many ploys to do so is Art and TM. They have both done far more than those Barney's, all they do is say every couple of weeks is they are checking out leads and that is never gonna pan out unless it is a done deal where her body is and I believe it went to the landfill. No sightings of her in Maple Woods VT are gonna pan out anymore than supposed sightings of Caylee in OK did and we all know where Caylee's final resting spot was found, mere blocks from her home and I wonder how far away the landfill is from that trailer park, ours here is about 10 miles away. So I just wonder how long Putnam is just gonna spin wheels and just lamely, following up on these so called leads.

Agree that from the lay side of the equation, Tim Miller has tried to get information, but in a misguided way. I truly hope something isn't going on with him personally, but he doesn't seem quite at himself lately, and I hope this is a temporary situation; we need more people like him.

AH is another story. From what I can tell, he hasn't been that close to the investigation and hasn't been anywhere around Satsuma, but is relying on information from whatever Tom, Dick and Harry offers up to him by phone and is referred to as a "source close to the investigation".

TJ Hart doesn't have as much to say and certainly isn't as sensational or money grubbing as Art, but his information seems more genuine. Just opinion.

[lorettalockhorn]

What I hope, is that some family member took her, and she is being well cared for; and I keep holding that.

However, what I think, worse case scenario, is the accidental overdose theory.

I think it is possible, that Misty has one or two people over at the house; I think it is possible that HaLeigh accidentally ingested some kind of drug that sadly overdosed her.

I think it is possible, that what Jr. saw (the man in black bouncing on the couch) was an attempt to revive HaLeigh, maybe CPR.

I also think it is possible that Misty called her brother, Tommy, after the fact, and he helped her cover up the crime, and concoct a story about HaLeigh being abducted.

I say possible not to be snippy, but to be very clear, that I have no proof of my theory, just piecing together the stuff that has been reported in the media, and the precious little that LE has offered.

I find it very troubling that Tommy, apparently didn't offer that he visited the house until after he was sitting in jail; and that LE traveled out of state, to speak to the other members of Misty's family.

IMO, LE seems to be focused on Misty, and her family above all else.

Good point. I truly believe it's possible that Misty used Benadryl or something to babysit both children while she went out and it had an adverse or paradoxical affect on Haleigh and Junior was drugged enough that what he recalls is colored by the effects of the drug. Who knows if he's been tested for drug ingestion. I really waver re: how effective and efficient LE is. Thank God the FBI is involved.

I hold Ron responsible bottom line in that he left Misty in charge of the children when he had offered other completely different arrangements in the mind of the judge who awarded him custody, and his lies about his past and his attitude in general makes him suspicious, maybe unfairly.

[Tracian]

Good point. I truly believe it's possible that Misty used Benadryl or something to babysit both children while she went out and it had an adverse or paradoxical affect on Haleigh and Junior was drugged enough that what he recalls is colored by the effects of the drug. Who knows if he's been tested for drug ingestion. I really waver re: how effective and efficient LE is. Thank God the FBI is involved.

I hold Ron responsible bottom line in that he left Misty in charge of the children when he had offered other completely different arrangements in the mind of the judge who awarded him custody, and his lies about his past and his attitude in general makes him suspicious, maybe unfairly.


I think that Ron will beat himself up enough about his poor choice in Misty, should I be correct; As far as the custody, I don't believe that any judge would, expect that ever would Ron never find anyone, nor did the judge expect that his mother would forever be the caregiver of his children, or that he would live with her forever.

Ron and Crystal equally failed in some ways, and I am sure most of us can say the same in regards to having and raising our children; neither IMO, would ever fathom that this could or would have happened.

I am not a Ron or Crystal supporter, per say, except that I have empathy for both as parents of a missing child--I support HaLeigh, and in Ron's words:

"I don't care who is responsible, let them fry"

[Tracian]

Well no one has any proof of anything at this point. but your theory does sound feasible. I also think a blanket and the van were involved.
I am finding it hard to believe she is still alive after all this time. People talk.
On the other hand as I posted a while ago.......a boy was hidden between 2 walls and survived. If she is not I am thinking accidental and probably accidental drug overdose. Also I know I heard the inhaler was left behind but was it empty and she had an attack?????? I just do not know....thanks


According to Teresa and Ron on Maury, she was not dependant on an inhaler, but if someone that knows her that has her, they could have planned on this and had one, I dunno....I realize this is as thin as can be..but I am an optimist.

[SaraSidle]

According to Teresa and Ron on Maury, she was not dependant on an inhaler, but if someone that knows her that has her, they could have planned on this and had one, I dunno....I realize this is as thin as can be..but I am an optimist.

I completely understand that. I hoped that Caylee was alive until they found her. now I have my guards up but that is how I cope. If she had an asthma attack and the inhaler was empty that would be bad. and that is the difference between her and Jr. Just an idea in my head along with everything else. I so wish we knew more IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I think that Ron will beat himself up enough about his poor choice in Misty, should I be correct; As far as the custody, I don't believe that any judge would, expect that ever would Ron never find anyone, nor did the judge expect that his mother would forever be the caregiver of his children, or that he would live with her forever.

Ron and Crystal equally failed in some ways, and I am sure most of us can say the same in regards to having and raising our children; neither IMO, would ever fathom that this could or would have happened.

I am not a Ron or Crystal supporter, per say, except that I have empathy for both as parents of a missing child--I support HaLeigh, and in Ron's words:

"I don't care who is responsible, let them fry"

It certainly doesn't seem likely that the judge would expect Ron to once again bed an underage girl and once again be guilty of statutory rape, for sure. And considering that Crystal's address became a bone of contention in the custody battle, you would think that Ron would notify the court of his change of address, but didn't see any notations in the court record. They could be there and just aren't entered. :shrug:

For whatever reason, it's a lot easier for me to believe that Ron was perfectly okay with Misty's youth, inexperience with children and her drug use than it is to believe that he questioned her abilities as a mother figure. Maybe it's the conclusion that he is also a drug user and lies about it. Or maybe he's clean, always has been and has been victimized what with all those arrests.

According to Teresa and Ron on Maury, she was not dependant on an inhaler, but if someone that knows her that has her, they could have planned on this and had one, I dunno....I realize this is as thin as can be..but I am an optimist.

From what I understand, Haleigh used a nebulizer and a rescue inhaler both of which require prescription medication. If Haleigh is alive, that prescription would have been filled numerous times by now. But where would the prescription come from? Surely, Haleigh would have to present herself for examination for a new doctor to write the script.

Anything is possible and I hope you're right that Haleigh is alive, but I hope to God that if she is, and if she is found, that she isn't returned to the snakepit that she was living in when she was abducted.

[Tracian]

It certainly doesn't seem likely that the judge would expect Ron to once again bed an underage girl and once again be guilty of statutory rape, for sure. And considering that Crystal's address became a bone of contention in the custody battle, you would think that Ron would notify the court of his change of address, but didn't see any notations in the court record. They could be there and just aren't entered. :shrug:

For whatever reason, it's a lot easier for me to believe that Ron was perfectly okay with Misty's youth, inexperience with children and her drug use than it is to believe that he questioned her abilities as a mother figure. Maybe it's the conclusion that he is also a drug user and lies about it. Or maybe he's clean, always has been and has been victimized what with all those arrests.



From what I understand, Haleigh used a nebulizer and a rescue inhaler both of which require prescription medication. If Haleigh is alive, that prescription would have been filled numerous times by now. But where would the prescription come from? Surely, Haleigh would have to present herself for examination for a new doctor to write the script.

Anything is possible and I hope you're right that Haleigh is alive, but I hope to God that if she is, and if she is found, that she isn't returned to the snakepit that she was living in when she was abducted.


Let's get to the meat of this:

Misty is 'underage' which apparently did not bother her parents, nor her grandmother or anyone else. I do not approve of Ron's relationship with her, but that pales in regards to HaLeigh, and the only connection is that Misty may have/be responsible for her missing. 17 year olds babysit all the time, this is not out of the relm of normal; that does not excuse Misty, if she either left the home and the children, or if she did not seek medical care for HaLeigh, as is my possible theory.

Many guilty people are never arrested, Crystal herself admitted to using while pregnant, but was never arrested, but that does not mean she never did drugs? Using that same logic, Misty never did drugs either. Now to be fair, both had issues years ago, people change and mature...they kick bad habits and behaviors, I give them both that benefit, until proven otherwise.

Likewise, just because someone is arrested does not mean they are guilty, again, using that logic why the need for juries, or project innocents?

In reference to 'snakepits' what about the fact that Chad, Crystal's live in had a RO for two years for DV?

I am not thrilled with either parent but those that live in glass houses should not throw stones..and I don't want to see either parent gouged by glass shards..unless evidence proves that one or the other was directly involved in hurting HaLeigh. Heaven knows both have been gouged enough.

[lorettalockhorn]

Let's get to the meat of this:

Misty is 'underage' which apparently did not bother her parents, nor her grandmother or anyone else. I do not approve of Ron's relationship with her, but that pales in regards to HaLeigh, and the only connection is that Misty may have/be responsible for her missing. 17 year olds babysit all the time, this is not out of the relm of normal; that does not excuse Misty, if she either left the home and the children, or if she did not seek medical care for HaLeigh, as is my possible theory.

Many guilty people are never arrested, Crystal herself admitted to using while pregnant, but was never arrested, but that does not mean she never did drugs? Using that same logic, Misty never did drugs either. Now to be fair, both had issues years ago, people change and mature...they kick bad habits and behaviors, I give them both that benefit, until proven otherwise.

Likewise, just because someone is arrested does not mean they are guilty, again, using that logic why the need for juries, or project innocents?

In reference to 'snakepits' what about the fact that Chad, Crystal's live in had a RO for two years for DV?

I am not thrilled with either parent but those that live in glass houses should not throw stones..and I don't want to see either parent gouged by glass shards..unless evidence proves that one or the other was directly involved in hurting HaLeigh. Heaven knows both have been gouged enough.

Sure, seventeen year old babysit all the time, but usually, hopefully, they aren't on drugs. And Misty wasn't just babysitting, she was sleeping with Ron which constituted stat rape. I personally could care less if that was with the permission of her parents, grandparents or Joe Camel, it is against the law and was as far as I can tell public knowledge. The meat of the issue is that Ron Cummings has victimized more than one teenage girl.

There is no getting around the fact that Misty was responsible for Haleigh and Junior and that Ron left her in charge of Haleigh and Junior. Or if so, his cheerleading squad needs to step it up and let it be known.

I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that Crystal and/or Chad had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance and since Crystal didn't have custody or responsibility for Haleigh and Junior I'm not sure where the RO for DV comes into play here. Are there allegations of abuse that I don't know about while Haleigh and Junior had visitation? If Chad is or was an abuser it's heartbreaking that Crystal would turn to another such lowlife after having gotten away from Ron; Crystal at one time made allegation(s) of abuse against Ron, but like in the case of the other charges against him, he was teflon and nothing stuck.

My compliments on your rosy outlook that Ron isn't responsible for leaving his children to be taken care of by an immature girl (who is now miraculously an adult by virtue of their short marriage) knowing that she was not in the best condition to care for them. I've simply spent too much time in the real world working with families to agree that he's not culpable. Whether by commission or omission.

[Woostock]

Loretta

After reading your posts I have also thought that we think somewhat alike because we are the ones who have dealt with these issues and worked with child services. My MO is to report what I think could endanger a child and let the judge and DCF make that determination. Here, evidence of drugs is a determinant.

[LadyFisher]

Good point. I truly believe it's possible that Misty used Benadryl or something to babysit both children while she went out and it had an adverse or paradoxical affect on Haleigh and Junior was drugged enough that what he recalls is colored by the effects of the drug. Who knows if he's been tested for drug ingestion. I really waver re: how effective and efficient LE is. Thank God the FBI is involved.

I hold Ron responsible bottom line in that he left Misty in charge of the children when he had offered other completely different arrangements in the mind of the judge who awarded him custody, and his lies about his past and his attitude in general makes him suspicious, maybe unfairly.I agree about the possibility of the use of benadryl.......I have made that comment on another board once.....According to Ron and Teresa's interview on the Maury show....Haleigh did have to see a cardiologist ......her disease does/can affect the heart.....and benadryl might not be a good choice when dealing with such a condition.....it could have thrown her into an arrhythmia, if she already was prone to such a condition....jmho.......I am troubled that Tommy did not come forward before.....I don't trust him and have no idea if he is telling the truth or not.....by placing himself at the home at 10ish is just nuts if he really wasn't there......I do hope LE gave him an LDT......imho....my granddaughter who is only almost 16 has babysit for different families....of course, she isn't a drug user.....I think one of the reason Ron married Misty is because he was afraid he might get into trouble for statutory rape if he didn't....just thinking out loud here.....if this hasn't already been posted here's a link to a radio show Tim Miller will be on tomorrow night...hope some of you will catch it and report back, because I do have a meeting tomorrow night...should get home before then but might forget....http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta

After reading your posts I have also thought that we think somewhat alike because we are the ones who have dealt with these issues and worked with child services. My MO is to report what I think could endanger a child and let the judge and DCF make that determination. Here, evidence of drugs is a determinant.

The first step toward completing a family plan is compliance and taking responsibility for whatever has put your family into the court system. I don't see anyone in the Cummings family stepping up and admitting that everything to keep Haleigh safe wasn't done. I realize that Ron doesn't have a case with DCF (that we know of), but I wonder if he has ever accepted responsibility for his choices and actions in life.

Something that I go back to is that Polly Klaas and Jessica Lunsford were taken from their homes right out from under their familys' noses and there is a small possibility (at least in my mind) that that could have been the case here. But LE says this is not a stranger abduction and if that's the case, someone has to have an idea of who took Haleigh and the motive.

Back to accountability for another second; when Misty had spent the weekend frying her brain, Ron should have made other arrangements for at least that night to have his children taken care of while Misty caught up on her sleep. But I doubt if he will ever acknowledge that.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree about the possibility of the use of benadryl.......I have made that comment on another board once.....According to Ron and Teresa's interview on the Maury show....Haleigh did have to see a cardiologist ......her disease does/can affect the heart.....and benadryl might not be a good choice when dealing with such a condition.....it could have thrown her into an arrhythmia, if she already was prone to such a condition....jmho.......I am troubled that Tommy did not come forward before.....I don't trust him and have no idea if he is telling the truth or not.....by placing himself at the home at 10ish is just nuts if he really wasn't there......I do hope LE gave him an LDT......imho....my granddaughter who is only almost 16 has babysit for different families....of course, she isn't a drug user.....I think one of the reason Ron married Misty is because he was afraid he might get into trouble for statutory rape if he didn't....just thinking out loud here.....if this hasn't already been posted here's a link to a radio show Tim Miller will be on tomorrow night...hope some of you will catch it and report back, because I do have a meeting tomorrow night...should get home before then but might forget....http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

I think Benedryl is often jokingly referred to as a chemical babysitter, so it's not a wonder that it comes up when theories are being discussed. If I was LE I would have had Junior tested for any drug ingestion; if he was clean I might be convinced that he hadn't been dosed, but if he did have something in his system, I might be thinking that both Haleigh and Junior had been given something and maybe Haleigh ODed. It also occurs to me that even though LE refers to Haleigh's having gone missing as an abduction, there's an outside chance that they think it was something else and are using the term to make a guilty party think they don't know what's up.

[beemer]

The first step toward completing a family plan is compliance and taking responsibility for whatever has put your family into the court system. I don't see anyone in the Cummings family stepping up and admitting that everything to keep Haleigh safe wasn't done. I realize that Ron doesn't have a case with DCF (that we know of), but I wonder if he has ever accepted responsibility for his choices and actions in life.

Something that I go back to is that Polly Klaas and Jessica Lunsford were taken from their homes right out from under their familys' noses and there is a small possibility (at least in my mind) that that could have been the case here. But LE says this is not a stranger abduction and if that's the case, someone has to have an idea of who took Haleigh and the motive.

Back to accountability for another second; when Misty had spent the weekend frying her brain, Ron should have made other arrangements for at least that night to have his children taken care of while Misty caught up on her sleep. But I doubt if he will ever acknowledge that.

Yes and to leave his children with someone 17 who evidently partied like a rock star is negligent. How did he ever know when at work these children were safe and warm and clean and loved. All the basics in life they deserved. Those children never came first. As one poster pointed out no i dont have proof Ron has a temper and I have nothing to support my opine. At the end of the day i can say he was/is a neglectful father. Liked his drugs and teenage girls. From the 911 call he is certainly verbally abusive. That i can support.

[wind149]

LE is right about that, this was no stranger abduction and you would think that they would name Misty a suspect and haul her ass in and charge her with at least child neglect and false info to a police official based on her crap stories about where Haleigh was sleeping. Now first she says, they all were in bed together, then it was Haleigh was less than three feet away from their bed on a child's mattress on the floor, then it was she was in hers and Jr's room, so which is it you loser? This is what I would pick apart when I would be hammering at her. The kitchen light can not been seen from the bedroom, and why would she get up to use a bathroom down the hall when the master bath is also less than 3 feet away from her bed? And then she changes her story again and claims she got out to get a drink of water? Also, what predator is going to grab cement blocks to prop open an extremely hard to open, noisy screen door and open the inside door, also hard to open and noisy??

She claims she told Haleigh she could watch a particular movie and to put it in the DVD player, the same one that was high up on a shelf, a shelf, Haleigh could not reach and that movie was not located at the home during the first search or the last search of the trailer. And this I find very profound, Recently, when this slob was allegedly "robbed" of her illicit drugs, she claims it was a "black dude dressed in all black" Now where did we first hear this sentence??? When little Jr claims that is who he saw taking Haleigh? Now we all know kids can be told things to say and she easily have told him what to say, and being so young, Jr does not know right from wrong, he has no idea that to lie for that skank is wrong because these kids have been raised horribly and would easily lie and not know it is a lie as that is what they have been taught. It just sounds so hinky, that is exactly what the little fellow says and now she says it verbatim to police???

And then her complete lack of emotion on that first 911 tape, she sounds so vague and robotic, even when Ron is flipping out and yet, when she gets "attacked" she flips out? And let's not forget her lack of tears. Remember the one footage where she and sea hag are being interviewed? She is moaning about how much she loved (LOVED) that little girl and she would not hurt her?? Not one tear rolling down her cheeks, it was like she almost had to conjure up some sad place in her mind to appear to be all despondent and it was all for the camera. And while I think Nay was angling for a get out of jail card, the overdose theory is not far fetched seeing as this skank loves her Oxy and notice how Nay says that "Haleigh ate an Oxy" Not Vicodin or Morphine, but her drug of choice? So many things add up that she has done away with Haleigh and what galls me is wherever her body is, Misty is very confident that she will never be recovered and if a body has been in a gator pond or landfill, there will be nothing left of it, probably not even bones at this point. SO I fear that Haleigh will be forever lost and that b!tch is getting away with murder and those Barney's allowing her to do so instead of hauling her ass in.

[LadyFisher]

Sorry folks if this has been posted already....Somer found, why not Haleigh...... http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/orl-somer-haleigh-103109,0,340366.story here's just a snippet.....the entire article is good though....."From very, very early on, we stated publicly there were inconsistencies in Misty's story about what happened that evening," said Putnam Deputy Sheriff Hancel Woods, adding that investigators continue to work the case daily, as they have handled nearly 6,000 tips.

[cat3]

Good evening,everyone.After looking at the last few posts it seems that some have a firm opinion of Ron Cummings and find him lacking as a father.
My thoughts are that he made a huge mistake in trusting Misty.
Hindsight is twenty/twenty as the saying goes and I'm sure he would give a lot to have been able to see the outcome of what more than likely was a routine of Misty being the childrens caregiver.
I'm sure he has kicked himself over and over more than we will ever know with 'what ifs' and 'if onlys'
Sadly we can't change what has happened due to his lack of judgment or his trust of Misty,but I don't see that RC owes us a pound of flesh for his mistake.....the mistake that has already cost him dearly.

[Tracian]

Good evening,everyone.After looking at the last few posts it seems that some have a firm opinion of Ron Cummings and find him lacking as a father.
My thoughts are that he made a huge mistake in trusting Misty.
Hindsight is twenty/twenty as the saying goes and I'm sure he would give a lot to have been able to see the outcome of what more than likely was a routine of Misty being the childrens caregiver.
I'm sure he has kicked himself over and over more than we will ever know with 'what ifs' and 'if onlys'
Sadly we can't change what has happened due to his lack of judgment or his trust of Misty,but I don't see that RC owes us a pound of flesh for his mistake.....the mistake that has already cost him dearly.



Hiya Cat:

I agree with you. I don't think that Ron ever thought that his choice in Misty would result in HaLeigh missing.

[cat3]

Hiya Cat:

I agree with you. I don't think that Ron ever thought that his choice in Misty would result in HaLeigh missing.

Hi,Tracian

I'm sure he thought it would be like the other evenings that Misty had watched Jr and Haleigh.
I really think he was doing the best he could with what resources he had at hand.
I can't imagine the horror of coming home to find one of his kids missing.
I'm sure I would have done more than a little cussing had it been me walking into that situation.

[Tracian]

Hi,Tracian

I'm sure he thought it would be like the other evenings that Misty had watched Jr and Haleigh.
I really think he was doing the best he could with what resources he had at hand.
I can't imagine the horror of coming home to find one of his kids missing.
I'm sure I would have done more than a little cussing had it been me walking into that situation.


Yeah, I never understood why Ron's reaction was seen as odd; I think that would be a rather understandable under the circumstances.

[deacon]

These two, ron and misty, were raised in the '80s and 90s, the times when parents were told not to say anything negative to children because it would upset their self-confidence. This is the root of the entire problem. They were never held, IMO, responsible for their actions. Thus the problem with raising children. They did what they wanted, when they wanted without regard for the consequences to other people. (their children or the children in their care) Did misty cause the death or kill Haleigh? I dont' know. I do think that there was some neglect on mist's part if she did not directly cause the death. As for stat rape, ron is guilty of this but no one filed a complaint against him so he was not and probably will not, be charged. It is a bit late for misty or her parents to file charges against him and given her behavior, I doubt it would go very far.

It is really sad that a child died because her parents and misty had no idea how to raise a child and would not put her well being before their party lifestyle.

BTW, on the aledged injuries, prescription drugs are very popular drugs on the open market. Lortabs and percocets are in great demand amoung people who want a high and who believe that because they are prescription they are not illegal.

[Amy]

Hi,Tracian

I'm sure he thought it would be like the other evenings that Misty had watched Jr and Haleigh.
I really think he was doing the best he could with what resources he had at hand.
I can't imagine the horror of coming home to find one of his kids missing.
I'm sure I would have done more than a little cussing had it been me walking into that situation.

BBM

It seems the "resources he had @ hand" was his mother, which was the arrangement told to the judge which seemed to have been a consideration is his being awarded custody.

[Tracian]

BBM

It seems the "resources he had @ hand" was his mother, which was the arrangement told to the judge which seemed to have been a consideration is his being awarded custody.



I don't think a judge would expect Ron to live at home with his mother forever, nor do I remember that part of the judges ruling specifically stated that Ron living with his mother, and her care taking the children indefinitely was paramount in his ruling.

If any of the above was true, the minute Ron moved out with Misty, then Crystal would have grounds to file for custody due to change in circumstance, or for Ron being in contempt of the order.

[beemer]

BBM

It seems the "resources he had @ hand" was his mother, which was the arrangement told to the judge which seemed to have been a consideration is his being awarded custody.

Yeah i think Mom would have been a logical choice over drug hazed jail bait.

[Amy]

These two, ron and misty, were raised in the '80s and 90s, the times when parents were told not to say anything negative to children because it would upset their self-confidence. This is the root of the entire problem. They were never held, IMO, responsible for their actions. Thus the problem with raising children. They did what they wanted, when they wanted without regard for the consequences to other people. (their children or the children in their care) Did misty cause the death or kill Haleigh? I dont' know. I do think that there was some neglect on mist's part if she did not directly cause the death. As for stat rape, ron is guilty of this but no one filed a complaint against him so he was not and probably will not, be charged. It is a bit late for misty or her parents to file charges against him and given her behavior, I doubt it would go very far.

It is really sad that a child died because her parents and misty had no idea how to raise a child and would not put her well being before their party lifestyle.

BTW, on the aledged injuries, prescription drugs are very popular drugs on the open market. Lortabs and percocets are in great demand amoung people who want a high and who believe that because they are prescription they are not illegal.

I couldn't believe the drug activity until it was close to home. The kids' niece was looking @ even Stratera and any other drugs we were subscribed. In fact, when DD had surgery, niece was upset that DD wouldn't sell her some of her medication, so she could sell it to others. DD's then bf even encouraged her to do so, as they were strapped for cash. And, the niece was always have dental "surgery" and never used the pain med-but sold it. Unfortunately, I did not know that @ the time I helped her get the antibiotic and pain med once. If I had, I would have seen to it that she got the antibiotic, but she would have had to find another way to get the pain med. :flamemad:

[deacon]

I couldn't believe the drug activity until it was close to home. The kids' niece was looking @ even Stratera and any other drugs we were subscribed. In fact, when DD had surgery, niece was upset that DD wouldn't sell her some of her medication, so she could sell it to others. DD's then bf even encouraged her to do so, as they were strapped for cash. And, the niece was always have dental "surgery" and never used the pain med-but sold it. Unfortunately, I did not know that @ the time I helped her get the antibiotic and pain med once. If I had, I would have seen to it that she got the antibiotic, but she would have had to find another way to get the pain med. :flamemad:

That is a big concern in Worker's Comp. People will fake neck and back injuries just to get the junk then sell it.

[cat3]

BBM

It seems the "resources he had @ hand" was his mother, which was the arrangement told to the judge which seemed to have been a consideration is his being awarded custody.

Wasn't TN working at the time as a police dispatcher? I'm with Tracian in that while the judge was looking for stable living conditions for the children that he would never expect that those living arrangements couldn't be subject to change at some point.It was never said that Ron must always live with TN and she be the caretaker of the children.
I really do believe that RC was doing all that he could for his kids by working to support them and trying to provide someone to care for them while at work.
How could he possibly know that he would come home one night and find one of them missing?

[deacon]

Wasn't TN working at the time as a police dispatcher? I'm with Tracian in that while the judge was looking for stable living conditions for the children that he would never expect that those living arrangements couldn't be subject to change at some point.It was never said that Ron must always live with TN and she be the caretaker of the children.
I really do believe that RC was doing all that he could for his kids by working to support them and trying to provide someone to care for them while at work.
How could he possibly know that he would come home one night and find one of them missing?

When you "travel in the circles" he traveled in you could expect something to happen to your family. Believe me, he did not hang around the best of people. Drugs and some of the other things he was caught up in do not make him a good candidate for fatherhood. IMO

[beemer]

Well at this point in time I nor anyone else can say Ron had no involvement or any in Haleighs disappearance. Now he knew Misty partied and went on weekend benders. Hardly a person most would feel comfortable leaving their children with. I could go on and on. At the end of the day how do you marry the dumb b/i/t/c/h that done got your kid stole :shrug: :eek:

[deacon]

Well at this point in time I nor anyone can say Ron had no involvement or any. Now he knew Misty partied and went on weekend benders. Hardly a person most would feel comfortable leaving their children with. I could go on and on. At the end of the day how do you marry the dumb b/i/t/c/h that done got your kid stole :shrug: :eek:

Amen

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh for crying out loud, Ron isn't guilty of simply exercising bad judgment, he gambled with his children's lives and Haleigh paid the price. Being no stranger to drugs, he should have realized after Misty's wild weekend that she was in no condition to care for the little ones, but instead of asking Mother Teresa and/or GGMS to watch them for the night, he chose to leave them with Misty. And according to both TN and AS, they were there at the house delivering laundry, so it would seem that they had the evening free.

Ron is no stranger to drugs himself and alleged that Crystal had used drugs in the past to get leverage during the custody issue (and I guess his own record escaped the attention of the judge), but for some reason Misty's drug use was okay with him. And according to what we've read, Misty accused Amber of using drugs while she was pregnant and babysitting and that's how she came by the job (and also became Ron's third statutory rape victim). So while I can appreciate the feeling (however misguided it is in the real world) that Ron was doing the best that he could, it's just BS.

As for his behavior during the 911 call, it's surely not unusual for people to be upset in his situation, but he wasn't cooperative; in fact I believe that he hung up on the operator three times and from what I remember he didn't assist her in getting Haleigh's descriptors out to the officers.

Yeah, he's probably sorry all right. In fact, I've heard him rue the fact that he can't do what he wants without the media following him like when he got the Haleigh tattoo. Funny that we haven't seen much indication of him actually searching (after that first sweep) for his daughter whose name rarely passes his lips but seldom.

MEH

[cat3]

When you "travel in the circles" he traveled in you could expect something to happen to your family. Believe me, he did not hang around the best of people. Drugs and some of the other things he was caught up in do not make him a good candidate for fatherhood. IMO

At least he was making an effort to care for the kids and that is my point in all of this.Sometimes things happen to people with the best of intentions or plans that are in place to protect and keep safe.
He did all the right things.He was working to make a life for the kids and had someone in place to care for them.I'm not sure what more could be expected?

Catch you all in a bit.TV time for me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wasn't TN working at the time as a police dispatcher? I'm with Tracian in that while the judge was looking for stable living conditions for the children that he would never expect that those living arrangements couldn't be subject to change at some point.It was never said that Ron must always live with TN and she be the caretaker of the children.
I really do believe that RC was doing all that he could for his kids by working to support them and trying to provide someone to care for them while at work.
How could he possibly know that he would come home one night and find one of them missing?

It would be interesting to know if Ron informed the court of his change(s) of address, his children's new living arrangements, and the ages of his roomies.

As for your last question, I think that's probably the biggie. The one that Ron is holding back the answer to.

[lorettalockhorn]

At least he was making an effort to care for the kids and that is my point in all of this.Sometimes things happen to people with the best of intentions or plans that are in place to protect and keep safe.
He did all the right things.He was working to make a life for the kids and had someone in place to care for them.I'm not sure what more could be expected?

Catch you all in a bit.TV time for me.

A sober babysitter? A living arrangement where children are not exposed to the ravages of drug use? A sleeping arrangement whereby children are not exposed to any possibility of witnessing illegal sex?

[SaraSidle]

Instead of inferring that Ron and Crystal were good or bad parents let's move on to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Judging others without a lot of information does not sound like the right thing to do. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Instead of inferring that Ron and Crystal were good or bad parents let's move on to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Judging others without a lot of information does not sound like the right thing to do. IMO

Sorry, but what happened to Haleigh is positively and directly correlated to her parents' bad choices, and in this case falls squarely in the lap of Ron Cummings.

And I'm not inferring anything, I'm saying that is my opinion based on years of experience with selfish, immature parents and observing how the courts deal with them.

[deacon]

At least he was making an effort to care for the kids and that is my point in all of this.Sometimes things happen to people with the best of intentions or plans that are in place to protect and keep safe.
He did all the right things.He was working to make a life for the kids and had someone in place to care for them.I'm not sure what more could be expected?

Catch you all in a bit.TV time for me.

IMO, an effort to care for his children would have included a change in lifestyle. The problem lies in the fact that no one in this saga is believable. No one in this group knows how to really care for and raise children. No one in this group is going to help find Haleigh. If they were, IMO, she would have been found already. His efforts in keeping a job would also be the efforts to buy what ever his drug of choice would have been too. Whether it was solid or liquid. Without money he could not buy beer or other drugs to help him get high. He is far from a saint or a good father.

[deacon]

Instead of inferring that Ron and Crystal were good or bad parents let's move on to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Judging others without a lot of information does not sound like the right thing to do. IMO

His "rap" sheet does this quite well. It provides quite a bit of information.

[SaraSidle]

His "rap" sheet does this quite well. It provides quite a bit of information.


rap sheet does not make for a good or bad father. this board is beginninng to sounds like another one that gets closed quite a bit so I hope this one does not. that board also does the parent thing too.


Okay we have established both parents took drugs and no longer live together. done deal. ron screwed up leaving misti in charge even though he had left her in charge before and nothing bad happened that we know of.
Everyone lies from all three families probably. ok

stepping forward what can we say about the blanket ,van and dumpster?

[lorettalockhorn]

rap sheet does not make for a good or bad father. this board is beginninng to sounds like another one that gets closed quite a bit so I hope this one does not. that board also does the parent thing too.


Okay we have established both parents took drugs and no longer live together. done deal. ron screwed up leaving misti in charge even though he had left her in charge before and nothing bad happened that we know of.
Everyone lies from all three families probably. ok

stepping forward what can we say about the blanket ,van and dumpster?

Causation is a huge factor in crime.

We don't know much about the van and the blanket because most of what we've heard came from Misty. Chelsea did say after the van was returned that it was scratched, but we don't know what that occurred. When Misty used it to pick Haleigh up that afternoon? Did Cousin Joe use it? Where was the van driven to get it banged up?

LE has stated that they searched dumpsters and the landfill, and we saw them search a particular dumpster, but don't know how long it had been in the area.

[deacon]

rap sheet does not make for a good or bad father. this board is beginninng to sounds like another one that gets closed quite a bit so I hope this one does not. that board also does the parent thing too.


Okay we have established both parents took drugs and no longer live together. done deal. ron screwed up leaving misti in charge even though he had left her in charge before and nothing bad happened that we know of.
Everyone lies from all three families probably. ok

stepping forward what can we say about the blanket ,van and dumpster?

That is just it, we don't have any information on any of these. The closest we have is that dogs hit on the dumpster. Information from this would hinge on what the dog was trained to hit on and how good the dog was. If the dog was just looking for the scent of a person, Haleigh in this case, then Haleigh was either in that dumpster or came in contact with something that was in that dumpster. The dumpster was a construction dumpster and not a household garbage dumpster meaning that if it were a dog trained in finding bodies of dead people, there was a dead person in that dumpster at some time. Who we do not know because there is no way to tell who it was or when that body was in the dumpster. So, see, we are no better off now than when this whole thing started. The "everyone lies froma ll three families probably" points to why there is a problem. If they didn't lie we would know more. These people are more worried about their own condition than what happened to Haleigh. The world revolves around them and we could give them all lie detector tests until the cows come home and we would be no closer to knowing what happened. Lie dector tests are not allowed as evidence in court and would not be use to make an arrest because they do not lead to probably cause.

Does anyone know the address of the mobile home?

[lorettalockhorn]

That is just it, we don't have any information on any of these. The closest we have is that dogs hit on the dumpster. Information from this would hinge on what the dog was trained to hit on and how good the dog was. If the dog was just looking for the scent of a person, Haleigh in this case, then Haleigh was either in that dumpster or came in contact with something that was in that dumpster. The dumpster was a construction dumpster and not a household garbage dumpster meaning that if it were a dog trained in finding bodies of dead people, there was a dead person in that dumpster at some time. Who we do not know because there is no way to tell who it was or when that body was in the dumpster. So, see, we are no better off now than when this whole thing started. The "everyone lies froma ll three families probably" points to why there is a problem. If they didn't lie we would know more. These people are more worried about their own condition than what happened to Haleigh. The world revolves around them and we could give them all lie detector tests until the cows come home and we would be no closer to knowing what happened. Lie dector tests are not allowed as evidence in court and would not be use to make an arrest because they do not lead to probably cause.

Does anyone know the address of the mobile home?

Green Lane. The numerical is 202. ;)

[deacon]

Green Lane. The numerical is 202. ;)

Hmm google earth does not show much for that address. The trailor must be in the trees there. The river looks like it is about 1/4 mile to the west. There are a lot more homes there than I thought.

[beemer]

Hey folks remember this is Florida-the land of no lies-just mis and half truths :eek: The dog hitting on that dumpster leads me to believe it is more likely that Haleigh is no longer with us. Was there not something they could of held Misty on in the beginning-when her inconsistencies began? Really put the heat on her? I didn't follow this case closely.

[deacon]

Hey folks remember this is Florida-the land of no lies-just mis and half truths :eek: The dog hitting on that dumpster leads me to believe it is more likely that Haleigh is no longer with us. Was there not something they could of held Misty on in the beginning-when her inconsistencies began? Really put the heat on her? I didn't follow this case closely.

What type of dog was that?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmm google earth does not show much for that address. The trailor must be in the trees there. The river looks like it is about 1/4 mile to the west. There are a lot more homes there than I thought.

This map show's how close the trailer is to all kinds of water:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116287515801680968232.00046d241c250db2896d5&t=h&ll=29.576742,-81.674423&spn=0.149591,0.22007&z=12

[lorettalockhorn]

What type of dog was that?

It was a cadaver dog that hit on the construction dumpster. Has this been posted before? Don't remember it, but it's interesting:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/268305

[deacon]

This map show's how close the trailer is to all kinds of water:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116287515801680968232.00046d241c250db2896d5&t=h&ll=29.576742,-81.674423&spn=0.149591,0.22007&z=12

The closest though is the river to the west. I am going back to google earth again. gives a better picture.

[beemer]

Thanks for the link-always good to refresh.

[Amy]

Causation is a huge factor in crime.

We don't know much about the van and the blanket because most of what we've heard came from Misty. Chelsea did say after the van was returned that it was scratched, but we don't know what that occurred. When Misty used it to pick Haleigh up that afternoon? Did Cousin Joe use it? Where was the van driven to get it banged up?

LE has stated that they searched dumpsters and the landfill, and we saw them search a particular dumpster, but don't know how long it had been in the area.

That's another question. Misti says she picked Haleigh up that afternoon, but didn't Teresa also claimed to have? And, originally, wasn't it Ron who allegedly picked her up--it being real close to the time he was supposed to report to work. Wonder who really did pick her up that day?

[lorettalockhorn]

That's another question. Misti says she picked Haleigh up that afternoon, but didn't Teresa also claimed to have? And, originally, wasn't it Ron who allegedly picked her up--it being real close to the time he was supposed to report to work. Wonder who really did pick her up that day?

The pattern of lying is just crazy with this bunch. :confused:

[beemer]

It got to the point of just craziness-I think my head hurt when Nay Nay and Whiteboy Greg came on the scene. Why lie about something as simple and basic as to who picked Haleigh up if you have nothing to hide :shrug:

[beemer]

Nite all :seeya:

[cat3]

A sober babysitter? A living arrangement where children are not exposed to the ravages of drug use? A sleeping arrangement whereby children are not exposed to any possibility of witnessing illegal sex?

Well since you asked.....we don't know if Misty was or wasn't sober that night.I have heard about the weekend binge,but was that ever confirmed by LE and if so was that an isolated incident with Misty?
I also don't think we can say that the children were exposed to drugs.The last record that I saw in regards to RC was back in 05,iirc.
Regarding the sleeping arrangements....we don't live in an ideal world,but I would like to think that even RC would know not to engage in sex with the children in the same room.
IMO

[LadyFisher]

Sorry, but what happened to Haleigh is positively and directly correlated to her parents' bad choices, and in this case falls squarely in the lap of Ron Cummings.

And I'm not inferring anything, I'm saying that is my opinion based on years of experience with selfish, immature parents and observing how the courts deal with them.
There are a lot of young immature parents who make bad choices, yet there daughter doesn't come up missing....I heard part of the radio program tonight with TM and SW on there....Tim does hold Ronald culpable some for not taking off work and checking on the children, especially after the argument he and Misty had on the phone around 8ish.....then she obviously shut her phone off.....Ronald did know of the drug binge she had been on the weekend prior......but, if I heard correctly neither of these guys think that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance....they are looking at Misty, just like LE is....if I heard TM right, he thinks Haleigh was probably already dead by 10ish......he intends to return to search for her when the vegetation dies down.....when Steph Watts was asked for his opinion...he said his sources say LE is still looking at Misty very closely and he thinks they are dotting all their I's and crossing all their T's.......hmmmmmm.......I am like sara, I really don't think we should be bashing Ron and Crystal, I am sure they are beating themselves up over this and I do fear Ronald might attempt suicide if he finds out Misty who he foolishly entrusted with his children might be the cause of his daughter's demise.......yes, this was a dysfunctional home......look how many are out there and this type of thing doesn't happen.....there are doper parents all over this country....yet their children are home safely in their beds jmho

[LadyFisher]

Haleigh,, we are still praying for you to be found......you have touched many, many hearts....:rose::rose::rose:

[cat3]

There are a lot of young immature parents who make bad choices, yet there daughter doesn't come up missing....I heard part of the radio program tonight with TM and SW on there....Tim does hold Ronald culpable some for not taking off work and checking on the children, especially after the argument he and Misty had on the phone around 8ish.....then she obviously shut her phone off.....Ronald did know of the drug binge she had been on the weekend prior......but, if I heard correctly neither of these guys think that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance....they are looking at Misty, just like LE is....if I heard TM right, he thinks Haleigh was probably already dead by 10ish......he intends to return to search for her when the vegetation dies down.....when Steph Watts was asked for his opinion...he said his sources say LE is still looking at Misty very closely and he thinks they are dotting all their I's and crossing all their T's.......hmmmmmm.......I am like sara, I really don't think we should be bashing Ron and Crystal, I am sure they are beating themselves up over this and I do fear Ronald might attempt suicide if he finds out Misty who he foolishly entrusted with his children might be the cause of his daughter's demise.......yes, this was a dysfunctional home......look how many are out there and this type of thing doesn't happen.....there are doper parents all over this country....yet their children are home safely in their beds jmho

Sounds like it was an interesting show,but I hope TM was wrong about Haleigh being "dead" by 10ish.I don't believe RC knows anything about what happened to Haleigh,but have always thought Misty at the very least might have left the kids alone and something happened to Haleigh as a result.
If Misty harmed Haleigh directly it would be my guess that one or more of her family helped her in some way after the fact.
On that happy note......night all.Hope to hear some good news about Haleigh soon.

[lorettalockhorn]

There are a lot of young immature parents who make bad choices, yet there daughter doesn't come up missing....I heard part of the radio program tonight with TM and SW on there....Tim does hold Ronald culpable some for not taking off work and checking on the children, especially after the argument he and Misty had on the phone around 8ish.....then she obviously shut her phone off.....Ronald did know of the drug binge she had been on the weekend prior......but, if I heard correctly neither of these guys think that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance....they are looking at Misty, just like LE is....if I heard TM right, he thinks Haleigh was probably already dead by 10ish......he intends to return to search for her when the vegetation dies down.....when Steph Watts was asked for his opinion...he said his sources say LE is still looking at Misty very closely and he thinks they are dotting all their I's and crossing all their T's.......hmmmmmm.......I am like sara, I really don't think we should be bashing Ron and Crystal, I am sure they are beating themselves up over this and I do fear Ronald might attempt suicide if he finds out Misty who he foolishly entrusted with his children might be the cause of his daughter's demise.......yes, this was a dysfunctional home......look how many are out there and this type of thing doesn't happen.....there are doper parents all over this country....yet their children are home safely in their beds jmho

Thanks for the recap.

Sorry if my bashing irresponsible parents or bleeding hearts is offensive. Ron went to great pains to see to it that he had custody of Haleigh and Junior and then let them down. Period.

And I would say the same about any parent. It could be Crystal, a neighbor, a member of my church, a former client, anyone. Sure, millions of children being raised by slackass parents don't go missing, but if they did and the parents behaved in the way that Haleigh's family has, there would be talk. And hopefully people would learn from it.

Some people don't want to learn; that would require taking the head out of the sand.

[LadyFisher]

Sounds like it was an interesting show,but I hope TM was wrong about Haleigh being "dead" by 10ish.I don't believe RC knows anything about what happened to Haleigh,but have always thought Misty at the very least might have left the kids alone and something happened to Haleigh as a result.
If Misty harmed Haleigh directly it would be my guess that one or more of her family helped her in some way after the fact.
On that happy note......night all.Hope to hear some good news about Haleigh soon.
Cat, I hope she isn't dead, either....but I am starting to believe she probably is..:eek:....I don't know if Misty harmed her or not.....I still find it strange that her brother claims he went over there at 10 and he couldn't rouse anyone.:shrug:...Misty claimed she was doing laundry about that time....she knows something.....I just pray she will tell the truth....imho goodnight to you, too....:seeya:

[LadyFisher]

Thanks for the recap.

Sorry if my bashing irresponsible parents or bleeding hearts is offensive. Ron went to great pains to see to it that he had custody of Haleigh and Junior and then let them down. Period.

And I would say the same about any parent. It could be Crystal, a neighbor, a member of my church, a former client, anyone. Sure, millions of children being raised by slackass parents don't go missing, but if they did and the parents behaved in the way that Haleigh's family has, there would be talk. And hopefully people would learn from it.

Some people don't want to learn; that would require taking the head out of the sand.You are quite welcome for the recap, Loretta.....it is a very frustrating case.......and we want to shake folks and say hey...you should have done this or that....but it's too late for that now....I just can't bash Ron, his mom, or Crystal at this time....I think they are all in a lot of pain.....I, like you, do hope young parents will learn from cases like this....goodnight and God bless....:seeya:

[LadyFisher]

Here's my humble opinion.....I think Misty had some guests in the home that night....did some heavy drugs with them ....and allowed someone to take Haleigh.....I think she was drugged out of her mind ....but she does know who it is.....because she wouldn't have said I wouldn't let THEM take her, etc....and the They she uses in different interviews.....she knows who took this child jmho

[Amy]

Cat, I hope she isn't dead, either....but I am starting to believe she probably is..:eek:....I don't know if Misty harmed her or not.....I still find it strange that her brother claims he went over there at 10 and he couldn't rouse anyone.:shrug:...Misty claimed she was doing laundry about that time....she knows something.....I just pray she will tell the truth....imho goodnight to you, too....:seeya:

Another fact that has not been substantiated by authorities. And kind of contradicted when Ron says there wasn't any laundry detergent. Of course, there might have been something Misty was wanting washed pretty badly, and maybe felt that even a spin in the machine sans detergent would be better than nothing.

[Marian Paroo]

Well at this point in time I nor anyone else can say Ron had no involvement or any in Haleighs disappearance. Now he knew Misty partied and went on weekend benders. Hardly a person most would feel comfortable leaving their children with. I could go on and on. At the end of the day how do you marry the dumb b/i/t/c/h that done got your kid stole :shrug: :eek:

Amen

Oh for crying out loud, Ron isn't guilty of simply exercising bad judgment, he gambled with his children's lives and Haleigh paid the price. Being no stranger to drugs, he should have realized after Misty's wild weekend that she was in no condition to care for the little ones, but instead of asking Mother Teresa and/or GGMS to watch them for the night, he chose to leave them with Misty. And according to both TN and AS, they were there at the house delivering laundry, so it would seem that they had the evening free.

Ron is no stranger to drugs himself and alleged that Crystal had used drugs in the past to get leverage during the custody issue (and I guess his own record escaped the attention of the judge), but for some reason Misty's drug use was okay with him. And according to what we've read, Misty accused Amber of using drugs while she was pregnant and babysitting and that's how she came by the job (and also became Ron's third statutory rape victim). So while I can appreciate the feeling (however misguided it is in the real world) that Ron was doing the best that he could, it's just BS.

As for his behavior during the 911 call, it's surely not unusual for people to be upset in his situation, but he wasn't cooperative; in fact I believe that he hung up on the operator three times and from what I remember he didn't assist her in getting Haleigh's descriptors out to the officers.

Yeah, he's probably sorry all right. In fact, I've heard him rue the fact that he can't do what he wants without the media following him like when he got the Haleigh tattoo. Funny that we haven't seen much indication of him actually searching (after that first sweep) for his daughter whose name rarely passes his lips but seldom.

MEH

I am totaling on your bench. Got room for me?

[LadyFisher]

Another fact that has not been substantiated by authorities. And kind of contradicted when Ron says there wasn't any laundry detergent. Of course, there might have been something Misty was wanting washed pretty badly, and maybe felt that even a spin in the machine sans detergent would be better than nothing.Yes, you are probably correct! :)

[deacon]

There are a lot of young immature parents who make bad choices, yet there daughter doesn't come up missing....I heard part of the radio program tonight with TM and SW on there....Tim does hold Ronald culpable some for not taking off work and checking on the children, especially after the argument he and Misty had on the phone around 8ish.....then she obviously shut her phone off.....Ronald did know of the drug binge she had been on the weekend prior......but, if I heard correctly neither of these guys think that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance....they are looking at Misty, just like LE is....if I heard TM right, he thinks Haleigh was probably already dead by 10ish......he intends to return to search for her when the vegetation dies down.....when Steph Watts was asked for his opinion...he said his sources say LE is still looking at Misty very closely and he thinks they are dotting all their I's and crossing all their T's.......hmmmmmm.......I am like sara, I really don't think we should be bashing Ron and Crystal, I am sure they are beating themselves up over this and I do fear Ronald might attempt suicide if he finds out Misty who he foolishly entrusted with his children might be the cause of his daughter's demise.......yes, this was a dysfunctional home......look how many are out there and this type of thing doesn't happen.....there are doper parents all over this country....yet their children are home safely in their beds jmho

1. Here in lies one of my problems. He didn't follow up on anything. He took the safety of his daughter for granted. A good father would not do this.

2. Another point where he knew his daughter could be in danger and did nothing.

3. That should have been on his mind when he left the children with her not after his daughter came up missing. Being a parent is a full time job, not a part time job. Their safety must be at the forefront of you mind at all times.

4. None of which excuses what has happened here. Just because someone is careless and nothing happens does not excuse that type of behavior.

BTW, I really don't think ron is beating himself up that bad. It doesn't show in his actions. If that were true, he would hang misty out to dry. All of the information that came out of the interview with tommy would have already been known. That is, if he were truely that upset about his daughter being missing. LE would have already known that someone was sent over to check on them and they were not there. In fact, he would have called LE himself. If I had someone check on my children and the person who was suppose to be keeping them and I got the report back that they were no there I would have called 911 myself. I certainly would not have driven by the house to the store and bought adult beverages and cigs before I even went to check on them.

Just because something is common does not make it right. His actions can not be excused just because others do the same and nothing happens to their children.

[Woostock]

Deacon
"Just because something is common does not make it right. His actions can not be excused just because others do the same and nothing happens to their children." so true
Parents have a duty to protect their children and in this case it just did not happen. I think a lot of people are probably looking at this case and realizing many mistakes have been made. There really was no oversight that I am aware of and Ron actually changed the living arrangements of his children and that apparently was not caught either. Teachers are also mandated reporters and obviously none of Haleigh's teachers reported anything or we would have known that by now. Every thing now is hindsight unfortunately for Haleigh.

[beemer]

I am totaling on your bench. Got room for me?

Sliding over :beer:

[beemer]

I dont view my Ron comments as bashing. I formed opines based on info that appears to follow a pattern. If someone truly wants to turn their life around and leave the drug world-you dont pick up with jail bait that evidently has her own drug problem. And to then expect your children are going to get good care? Ron put those children at risk. Those are things i hold him responsible for. Crystal states Ron was abusive and she was afraid of him. Do we know that as fact-no. However with the life style of both at that time I sure as heck can believe it. I think Ron slipped under the radar living in a state with a burdened system.

[Marian Paroo]

In the Yom Hakippurim service, one asked forgiveness for the sins of omission as well as the sins of comission.

Ron is at very least guilty of sin in that first group.

[W_D_1]

That's another question. Misti says she picked Haleigh up that afternoon, but didn't Teresa also claimed to have? And, originally, wasn't it Ron who allegedly picked her up--it being real close to the time he was supposed to report to work. Wonder who really did pick her up that day?


No Teresa didnt claim she picked Haleigh up. The NG transcript was a typo and if you watch the actual video she said her son picked Haleigh up.

The neighbor who claimed she saw Misty pick Haleigh up that day has told several different versions of that day. In one she claims Misty was in the van talking to her companions about bad !@#$. In another she claims Misty was in the car and talking to someone on the phone about it. It yet another she claims Misty was in the car, talking on the phone and another car pulled up to talk to Misty. It seems even witnesses can't come up with consistent stories.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am totaling on your bench. Got room for me?

Marion, there is always room to learn, and personally I'd rather learn by someone else's mistakes than suffer the consequences of my own.

In the Yom Hakippurim service, one asked forgiveness for the sins of omission as well as the sins of comission.

Ron is at very least guilty of sin in that first group.

Good point! Leroy and I have that omission/commission debate from time to time. Boy howdy, do we.

[lorettalockhorn]

I dont view my Ron comments as bashing. I formed opines based on info that appears to follow a pattern. If someone truly wants to turn their life around and leave the drug world-you dont pick up with jail bait that evidently has her own drug problem. And to then expect your children are going to get good care? Ron put those children at risk. Those are things i hold him responsible for. Crystal states Ron was abusive and she was afraid of him. Do we know that as fact-no. However with the life style of both at that time I sure as heck can believe it. I think Ron slipped under the radar living in a state with a burdened system.

I don't necessarily think of it as bashing either, but if people want to label it as that then so be it. People bring their own life experiences to their opinions (which is why they often change over time) and in my opinion Ron is a selfish, immature scofflaw who not only left Haleigh and Junior in a precarious situation, but when he became concerned enough to question what the heck was going on still didn't act in a responsible way. For him to call Tommy to check up on his family but not follow through by asking for LE to do a welfare check and then to not head straight home (immediately or after work) is very similar to Cindy Anthony having never reported Caylee missing, but now insisting that she was.

[beemer]

I don't necessarily think of it as bashing either, but if people want to label it as that then so be it. People bring their own life experiences to their opinions (which is why they often change over time) and in my opinion Ron is a selfish, immature scofflaw who not only left Haleigh and Junior in a precarious situation, but when he became concerned enough to question what the heck was going on still didn't act in a responsible way. For him to call Tommy to check up on his family but not follow through by asking for LE to do a welfare check and then to not head straight home (immediately or after work) is very similar to Cindy Anthony having never reported Caylee missing, but now insisting that she was.

And the icing on the cake was stopping to buy beer and other items WTF :cuss: Why do these folk have to have children it just breaks my heart :shrug:

[Woostock]

I am only looking at what has been reported that Ron did or did not do.
In my opinion he made bad choices and did not put his children first. It is especially disconcerting to me that he did not look for someone else to watch his children after it was very clear that Misty's life style was not conducive to protecting young children. Now we see the results....and why in the world wouldn't he have headed right home after getting out of work.....

[lorettalockhorn]

No Teresa didnt claim she picked Haleigh up. The NG transcript was a typo and if you watch the actual video she said her son picked Haleigh up.

The neighbor who claimed she saw Misty pick Haleigh up that day has told several different versions of that day. In one she claims Misty was in the van talking to her companions about bad !@#$. In another she claims Misty was in the car and talking to someone on the phone about it. It yet another she claims Misty was in the car, talking on the phone and another car pulled up to talk to Misty. It seems even witnesses can't come up with consistent stories.

Thanks for the reminder about the Teresa misunderstanding, I have read that was an error in the transcript. IIRC, Misty stated in the voice stress test that Ron picked Haleigh up.

[beemer]

I am only looking at what has been reported that Ron did or did not do.
In my opinion he made bad choices and did not put his children first. It is especially disconcerting to me that he did not look for someone else to watch his children after it was very clear that Misty's life style was not conducive to protecting young children. Now we see the results....and why in the world wouldn't he have headed right home after getting out of work.....

I know-that speak volumes as to his priorities :eek: He knew of Misty's partying my gawd anything could have been going on at that home :eek:

[W_D_1]

Thanks for the reminder about the Teresa misunderstanding, I have read that was an error in the transcript. IIRC, Misty stated in the voice stress test that Ron picked Haleigh up.


The neighbor is the only one who claims Misty picked Haleigh up and like I said....she hasnt been consistent either.

[LadyFisher]

I dont view my Ron comments as bashing. I formed opines based on info that appears to follow a pattern. If someone truly wants to turn their life around and leave the drug world-you dont pick up with jail bait that evidently has her own drug problem. And to then expect your children are going to get good care? Ron put those children at risk. Those are things i hold him responsible for. Crystal states Ron was abusive and she was afraid of him. Do we know that as fact-no. However with the life style of both at that time I sure as heck can believe it. I think Ron slipped under the radar living in a state with a burdened system.Beemer, I hope you folks didn't take my comments personally.....I don't think Ron nor Crystal are/were stellar parents.....I think they lived a high risk lifestyle and are paying the consequences......when Ron Married Misty and got the tattoo, etc...I thought...what the heck is up with that.....but I do think it is sinking in to them now that something bad has really happened to that child.....I believe Tim even said he thought Jr. should be taken out of that home and put in a normal environment or he wouldn't have a chance at life...but his goal is to find out what happened to Haleigh and bring her home for a proper burial.....I truly do feel sorry for Teresa Neves....and I do think there is a possibility that Ron might be considering suicide if he finds out that Misty was involved in this...and that would imho be just another tragedy.....Tim even was empathetic toward Misty due to her upbringing.....but as he said...she knows something and is holding back....maybe protecting someone in her family.....Tommy, perhaps.....does anyone know who was at Tommy's house that night?? Could a group of them have come over, done some heavy drugs....and Misty was so out of it, she allowed some of them to take Haleigh??? Someone knows something and Misty is going to have to tell the truth whether she is scared or not jmho

[lorettalockhorn]

Florida ranks third in missing persons, mostly children

At times Florida can seem to be the national epicenter of reported missing children and child abductions.

The cases here gain national prominence and rarely have happy endings. After the media fanfare is over, the children's names stick out as sad reminders: Carlie Brucia. Jessica Lunsford. Trenton Duckett. Caylee Anthony. Haleigh Cummings. And now Somer Thompson.

The state does hold a number of unfortunate distinctions when it comes to measuring the number of children reported missing and, what some consider a related statistic, the number of registered sex offenders in the state.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Florida generally ranks third in the nation — behind only California and Texas — for reported missing persons, most of whom are children, registered sex offenders and the number of "stereotypical kidnappings," the most serious kind of stranger abductions.

The numbers can seem frightening for parents. Florida had nearly 62,000 missing-person reports during 2007. And as of July, the state had 51,560 registered sex offenders.

The vast majority of missing-person cases end up getting resolved. Many times reported missing children are kids who get lost or are runaways, said Ernie Allen with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Many other cases involve custodial disputes. So of the roughly 800,000 kids reported missing nationwide each year, only about 58,000 represent "nonfamily abductions," Allen said. And only about 115 of those are defined as "stereotypical kidnappings."

Those involve someone the child does not know or has only a slight acquaintance with and who "holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom or intends to keep the child permanently," according to Allen and U.S. Department of Justice statistics.

The large missing-persons numbers in California, Texas and Florida may be explained by a number of common factors.

"You've got large, populous states. You've got magnet states," Allen said. "You've got year-round climate, and kids tend to be relatively more accessible."

The large numbers of sex offenders in those states "probably" have some correlation, Allen said, but he also noted that not all sex offenders' crimes involve children.

"The 51,000 in Florida does not mean they all represent a serious threat to children in the state," said Allen, who has called for a tiered system for delineating sex offenders.

Florida ranks behind 13 other states in the number of sex offenders per 100,000 people. Florida has 281 such offenders per 100,000. Nationwide the ratio is 223 per 100,000.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/orl-somer-sidebar-103109,0,73629.story

[lorettalockhorn]

GPS Tracking Device for Your Children Is This a Good Idea or Not?

http://www.bloggernews.net/122807

Not sure why carrying a GPS device would be any more humiliating for kids than having to carry a cellphone. Manufacturers should find a way to classify their product as a status symbol.

I'll assume that kidnappers would disable a GPS like they do a cellie to slow the discovery process.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – BNN Radio Wrap Up Nov/1

We had our regular panel of Simon and Jan Barrett, ace reporter TJ Hart, the ‘Crime Doctor’ Denny Griffin, and investigator William Cobra Staubs...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122822

Link to discussion on the page.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Update: Was a Possible Clue Overlooked?

Six-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma, FL was taken from her home February 9, 2009. Since then, very few solid clues have turned to help find her.

At this point, investigators are looking at every piece of evidence and reviewing everything they've gathered so far.

In a tape William "Cobra" Staubs dug up from March 31, 2009, he spoke with Misty Saunders--the stepdaughter of an accused sexual predator Daniel Snodgrass.

Daniel Snodgrass is the man who tried donate furniture to the Haleighbug Center in Satsuma and ended up causing trouble at the building.

Warning: Adult languange and disturbing descriptions.

AUDIO: P.I. William "Cobra" Staubs with Misty Saunders

Staubs tells 97.3 The Sky that the Putnam County Sheriff's Office was kept in the loop involving his interview with Misty Saunders and his subsequent search.

Part Two is coming soon

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5577857.php

Link to audio on page.

[beemer]

Lady-no not at all :beer: No worries. Your posts are always thought provoking whether we agree or not. I respect your posts.

[beemer]

Audio link would not work for me Loretta :shrug: Anyhoo click on the accused sex offender Daniel Snodgrass right in the article. Shocking-his girlfriend says he's a great guy :cuss: I pray she doesn't have children :flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

Audio link would not work for me Loretta :shrug: Anyhoo click on the accused sex offender Daniel Snodgrass right in the article. Shocking-his girlfriend says he's a great guy :cuss: I pray she doesn't have children :flamemad:

Beem, I couldn't get it to play using IE, but it worked using MF.:shrug:

[beemer]

Beem, I couldn't get it to play using IE, but it worked using MF.:shrug:

Thanks Loretta :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Audio link would not work for me Loretta :shrug: Anyhoo click on the accused sex offender Daniel Snodgrass right in the article. Shocking-his girlfriend says he's a great guy :cuss: I pray she doesn't have children :flamemad:

That article is dated 2008, and if Ms. Sanders is one and the same as Ms. Saunders' mother, I'm sure she has changed her tune if this interview is on the up and up.

[lorettalockhorn]

Beemer, I hope you folks didn't take my comments personally.....I don't think Ron nor Crystal are/were stellar parents.....I think they lived a high risk lifestyle and are paying the consequences......when Ron Married Misty and got the tattoo, etc...I thought...what the heck is up with that.....but I do think it is sinking in to them now that something bad has really happened to that child.....I believe Tim even said he thought Jr. should be taken out of that home and put in a normal environment or he wouldn't have a chance at life...but his goal is to find out what happened to Haleigh and bring her home for a proper burial.....I truly do feel sorry for Teresa Neves....and I do think there is a possibility that Ron might be considering suicide if he finds out that Misty was involved in this...and that would imho be just another tragedy.....Tim even was empathetic toward Misty due to her upbringing.....but as he said...she knows something and is holding back....maybe protecting someone in her family.....Tommy, perhaps.....does anyone know who was at Tommy's house that night?? Could a group of them have come over, done some heavy drugs....and Misty was so out of it, she allowed some of them to take Haleigh??? Someone knows something and Misty is going to have to tell the truth whether she is scared or not jmho

I don't see Ron and Misty as paying the consequences so much as Junior and Haleigh. Well, unless you count how Ron whined about the media following him to get that awful tat. Poor guy can't do what he wants to do without the media in tow. :rolleyes:

[beemer]

That article is dated 2008, and if Ms. Sanders is one and the same as Ms. Saunders' mother, I'm sure she has changed her tune if this interview is on the up and up.

Whew thanks and good catch there on the date :beer: I'll have to listen to that interview now.

[wind149]

As a former police dispatcher, I have a hard time picturing TN as a dispatcher because the woman can't even use good diction or grammar and one can guess radio protocol is extremely different down in Deliverance. I can hear it now.
TN- Hey Bubba!" I need you to be fixing to Rte 30 by the bridge, but closer to Billy Bob's Martin, Johnny Ray Neely done cracked up hiss truck" "Okey Dokey Teresa, has he done hurt himself" "Naw he ain't hurt none, from what Billy Bob says, he done climbed into the "shine" Now my radio protocol would be, "Dispatch to 106" "106 Go ahead dispatch" "Dispatch, there is a 10-50 with no I down by the bridge on Rte 30, near the Martin residence and according to the Martin subject, he is advising one John Ray Neely is very 10-56 so this will be a 10-55 and be advised he has priors for 10-55"
As for these low life's why is it that people like this are always fertile and can calve them out till their ovaries fall out and the men can knock them until they are 80 and none of these people are good anything, never mind parents.

[beemer]

As a former police dispatcher, I have a hard time picturing TN as a dispatcher because the woman can't even use good diction or grammar and one can guess radio protocol is extremely different down in Deliverance. I can hear it now.
TN- Hey Bubba!" I need you to be fixing to Rte 30 by the bridge, but closer to Billy Bob's Martin, Johnny Ray Neely done cracked up hiss truck" "Okey Dokey Teresa, has he done hurt himself" "Naw he ain't hurt none, from what Billy Bob says, he done climbed into the "shine" Now my radio protocol would be, "Dispatch to 106" "106 Go ahead dispatch" "Dispatch, there is a 10-50 with no I down by the bridge on Rte 30, near the Martin residence and according to the Martin subject, he is advising one John Ray Neely is very 10-56 so this will be a 10-55 and be advised he has priors for 10-55"
As for these low life's why is it that people like this are always fertile and can calve them out till their ovaries fall out and the men can knock them until they are 80 and none of these people are good anything, never mind parents.
Oh Wind-you are too funny :seeya: I know so many good folk out there that cant have children. I have a very good friend who tried to adopt. Due to Canadian law at that time she wasn't even able to get on a list. She was a kidney transplant recipient. They had so much to offer a child. By the time things were lax they were older and set in their ways. They just became Aunty and Uncle to everyone's kids.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings Update: Possible Clue Part 2

This just in from TJ Hart, you can catch part one here - Simon

More information has come into the 97.3 The Sky’s news room regarding a possible missed clue in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

As it turns out, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office investigated the claim that very day the tape you heard in Part 1 was recorded which was March 31, 2009.

The claims made by Misty Saunders to Private Investigator William “Cobra” Staubs indicated she believed her step father, accused capital sex offender Daniel Snodgrass, had something to do with Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Saunders believes Snodgrass might have dismembered and killed children in a shed on the property owned by her mother...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122831

[Woostock]

maybe Wind is very concerned that a bunch of irresponsible people let Haleigh down; I see many mis-steps along the way......not to mention drugs, lies, weapons, etc. I wouldn't leave a gerbil with any of them, never mind a child.

[Marian Paroo]

maybe Wind is very concerned that a bunch of irresponsible people let Haleigh down; I see many mis-steps along the way......not to mention drugs, lies, weapons, etc. I wouldn't leave a gerbil with any of them, never mind a child.

Yeah. That.

[wind149]

Hey longrider, get a clue, yes I was a police dispatcher until illness caused me to have to give up my career. And another thing, we don't feed the trolls here and we don't bash each other either and I don't know what your problem is, but I refuse to be bait.

[SaraSidle]

Haleigh Cummings Update: Possible Clue Part 2

This just in from TJ Hart, you can catch part one here - Simon

More information has come into the 97.3 The Sky’s news room regarding a possible missed clue in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

As it turns out, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office investigated the claim that very day the tape you heard in Part 1 was recorded which was March 31, 2009.

The claims made by Misty Saunders to Private Investigator William “Cobra” Staubs indicated she believed her step father, accused capital sex offender Daniel Snodgrass, had something to do with Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Saunders believes Snodgrass might have dismembered and killed children in a shed on the property owned by her mother...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122831

This thread is about Haleigh. and this Snodgrass sounds like a real pig to me. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

This thread is about Haleigh. and this Snodgrass sounds like a real pig to me. IMO

Yes, that's why I have been posting most of everything I find that mentions Haleigh whether I think it's BS or not.

TJ Hart, unlike the Barretts and Art Harris is a trustworthy reporter/journalist IMO. Why he's hooked up with the bloggernauts beats the heck outta me.

[lorettalockhorn]

As a former police dispatcher, I have a hard time picturing TN as a dispatcher because the woman can't even use good diction or grammar and one can guess radio protocol is extremely different down in Deliverance. I can hear it now.
TN- Hey Bubba!" I need you to be fixing to Rte 30 by the bridge, but closer to Billy Bob's Martin, Johnny Ray Neely done cracked up hiss truck" "Okey Dokey Teresa, has he done hurt himself" "Naw he ain't hurt none, from what Billy Bob says, he done climbed into the "shine" Now my radio protocol would be, "Dispatch to 106" "106 Go ahead dispatch" "Dispatch, there is a 10-50 with no I down by the bridge on Rte 30, near the Martin residence and according to the Martin subject, he is advising one John Ray Neely is very 10-56 so this will be a 10-55 and be advised he has priors for 10-55"
As for these low life's why is it that people like this are always fertile and can calve them out till their ovaries fall out and the men can knock them until they are 80 and none of these people are good anything, never mind parents.

Wind, I can't remember which county TN is/was employed with. Seems like we recently read an article that states she is a former dispatcher. Did she quit her job?

The PC radio traffic has been surprisingly professional sounding. You can listen here:

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369

[Tracian]

maybe Wind is very concerned that a bunch of irresponsible people let Haleigh down; I see many mis-steps along the way......not to mention drugs, lies, weapons, etc. I wouldn't leave a gerbil with any of them, never mind a child.



It seems that the problems with drugs is a multi generational thing; hopefully, all have changed their ways and have moved from that past.

In fairness, we are only seeing a small part of all these people. I have yet to see anyone outside a few media hungry people, come forward to offer any infomation that the children were not cared for, dirty, under fed or abused. Nothing in the medical or school records to support that either child was neglected or abused by either parent, or extended family.

As far as the way any of them talk, again, we are only hearing them speak in regards to a missing child, under a great deal of duress; IMO, hardly a fair way to judge any of them in regards to their speech patterns or their ablity to be articulate as some jobs would require.

[lorettalockhorn]

It seems that the problems with drugs is a multi generational thing; hopefully, all have changed their ways and have moved from that past.

In fairness, we are only seeing a small part of all these people. I have yet to see anyone outside a few media hungry people, come forward to offer any infomation that the children were not cared for, dirty, under fed or abused. Nothing in the medical or school records to support that either child was neglected or abused by either parent, or extended family.

As far as the way any of them talk, again, we are only hearing them speak in regards to a missing child, under a great deal of duress; IMO, hardly a fair way to judge any of them in regards to their speech patterns or their ablity to be articulate as some jobs would require.

Haleigh's school records indicate many absenses which can be expected of a child with Turner's Syndrome and her health issues, but there may have been an issue with all of those absences being excused if it's true that Ron had been warned about excessive absenteeism (according to Crystal (I think)). Since Junior wasn't in school or daycare that we know of, I wouldn't expect him to have much exposure to reporters, mandated or otherwise.

It would be much easier for many of us to not see the players in Haleigh's case in such harsh light if there was more humility displayed. There is far to much of the chip on the shoulder attitude and thanklessness going on with this bunch.

[Tracian]

Haleigh's school records indicate many absenses which can be expected of a child with Turner's Syndrome and her health issues, but there may have been an issue with all of those absences being excused if it's true that Ron had been warned about excessive absenteeism (according to Crystal (I think)). Since Junior wasn't in school or daycare that we know of, I wouldn't expect him to have much exposure to reporters, mandated or otherwise.

It would be much easier for many of us to not see the players in Haleigh's case in such harsh light if there was more humility displayed. There is far to much of the chip on the shoulder attitude and thanklessness going on with this bunch.


I have not seen anything to prove that the school was concerned about HaLeigh nor did DCF find any proof of abuse of Jr. HaLeigh being at the doctor so often, as she is a child with a medical condition, only supports that her doctor(s) also never felt compelled to file a complaint.

As far as Crystal's statements in regards to HaLeigh's schooling, not to attack her, but Crystal knew/knows nothing about HaLeigh's schooling, as she herself stated on NG's show.

Humility? I don't think that the family of a missing child have the presents of mind to be that overly concerned about what people think of them, as much as keeping the focus on the one thing that matters, finding HaLeigh.

Again, we are only seeing a small sampling of these people, and we are only seeing this in regards to a horrific experience that I hope none of us ever have to face; and then being picked apart for every expression, misspoke word, tear, or regional accent.

[SaraSidle]

I have not seen anything to prove that the school was concerned about HaLeigh nor did DCF find any proof of abuse of Jr. HaLeigh being at the doctor so often, as she is a child with a medical condition, only supports that her doctor(s) also never felt compelled to file a complaint.

As far as Crystal's statements in regards to HaLeigh's schooling, not to attack her, but Crystal knew/knows nothing about HaLeigh's schooling, as she herself stated on NG's show.

Humility? I don't think that the family of a missing child have the presents of mind to be that overly concerned about what people think of them, as much as keeping the focus on the one thing that matters, finding HaLeigh.

Again, we are only seeing a small sampling of these people, and we are only seeing this in regards to a horrific experience that I hope none of us ever have to face; and then being picked apart for every expression, misspoke word, tear, or regional accent.

ITA I imagine there are some very nice people living in that area. I also think everyone involved has a problem with addiction and that can change the way a person responds or acts. We are not in their shoes.

We need to concentrate on evidence Like this Snodgrass guy. I would love to know more about this guy

[Amy]

Wind, I can't remember which county TN is/was employed with. Seems like we recently read an article that states she is a former dispatcher. Did she quit her job?

The PC radio traffic has been surprisingly professional sounding. You can listen here:

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369

I haven't heard in particular about TN, but I am sure she wasn't going to work when Haleigh first was taken (as is understandable) but don't know if, like Ron she just didn't return to work, is on leave, or was "let go."


Do you have to live in the same county you work in? I know, for some "county" jobs, you do have to. Others, like my brother, works for one county road department, but lives in the next county.

[SaraSidle]

I haven't heard in particular about TN, but I am sure she wasn't going to work when Haleigh first was taken (as is understandable) but don't know if, like Ron she just didn't return to work, is on leave, or was "let go."


Do you have to live in the same county you work in? I know, for some "county" jobs, you do have to. Others, like my brother, works for one county road department, but lives in the next county.

I think it is up to the individuals depts. Our small town police did have too but now that has laxed into a "so many miles" type thing.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have not seen anything to prove that the school was concerned about HaLeigh nor did DCF find any proof of abuse of Jr. HaLeigh being at the doctor so often, as she is a child with a medical condition, only supports that her doctor(s) also never felt compelled to file a complaint.

As far as Crystal's statements in regards to HaLeigh's schooling, not to attack her, but Crystal knew/knows nothing about HaLeigh's schooling, as she herself stated on NG's show.

Humility? I don't think that the family of a missing child have the presents of mind to be that overly concerned about what people think of them, as much as keeping the focus on the one thing that matters, finding HaLeigh.

Again, we are only seeing a small sampling of these people, and we are only seeing this in regards to a horrific experience that I hope none of us ever have to face; and then being picked apart for every expression, misspoke word, tear, or regional accent.

Oh gosh, I can't help but remember how Sharon Rocha behaved when Laci Peterson was presumed missing and how Patti Canady behaved as Anne Pressly lay dying.

As for Haleigh's school records, they are posted here, but maybe you're already caught up on the thread and have seen them. And back to Junior for a second, it wouldn't be that terribly unusual for him to have escaped any physical abuse; Haleigh could have been targeted.

You're right about one thing. Ron&Misty don't seem to be overly (if at all) concerned about what people think of them. But I don't either or both of them overly focused on finding Haleigh either.

[lorettalockhorn]

I haven't heard in particular about TN, but I am sure she wasn't going to work when Haleigh first was taken (as is understandable) but don't know if, like Ron she just didn't return to work, is on leave, or was "let go."


Do you have to live in the same county you work in? I know, for some "county" jobs, you do have to. Others, like my brother, works for one county road department, but lives in the next county.

In some counties you simply have to be able to respond for on call or emergency duty within a certain time period.

[Tracian]

Oh gosh, I can't help but remember how Sharon Rocha behaved when Laci Peterson was presumed missing and how Patti Canady behaved as Anne Pressly lay dying.

As for Haleigh's school records, they are posted here, but maybe you're already caught up on the thread and have seen them. And back to Junior for a second, it wouldn't be that terribly unusual for him to have escaped any physical abuse; Haleigh could have been targeted.

You're right about one thing. Ron&Misty don't seem to be overly (if at all) concerned about what people think of them. But I don't either or both of them overly focused on finding Haleigh either.



Kevin Fox confessed to the murder of his daughter, but was innocent; Message boards had Mark Lungsford tried and convicted, because some did not like the way he looked, or his supposed 'lifestyle'

There is no proof that Ron abused Haleigh, not a shred, and as much as Haleigh went to the doctor, I highly doubt that it would escape everyone. As far as school records, I have yet to see one hint that Haleigh was reported as a possible abused or negliected due to physical signs, emotioal signs, or because she missed school.

[Woostock]

Tracian
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. I don't think the lifestyle that Ron and Misty had was in the best interest of either child. Be that as it may, I am sure that the average person, once their child went missing, would be constantly looking for the child, organizing search parties, at least I would if it happened to me. I live in the territory of the Molly Bish case and helped look for her...then I look at Ron and Misty and it's like night and day. I believe, one way or another, they have an idea of what happened or they were involved in some way.

[lorettalockhorn]

Kevin Fox confessed to the murder of his daughter, but was innocent; Message boards had Mark Lungsford tried and convicted, because some did not like the way he looked, or his supposed 'lifestyle'

There is no proof that Ron abused Haleigh, not a shred, and as much as Haleigh went to the doctor, I highly doubt that it would escape everyone. As far as school records, I have yet to see one hint that Haleigh was reported as a possible abused or negliected due to physical signs, emotioal signs, or because she missed school.

For the love of Mike, I have never said that Ron abused Haleigh. And I have never said that Haleigh's school records indicate that he or anyone else did. Not sure where you got that, but it's not from reading this thread.

I don't think his behavior is excusable, not the lying, not the running off to get a tattoo (and bashing the same media who constantly reminds us that Haleigh is missing), not for getting married (but, but, but, it's what Haleigh wanted), and not for him getting a divorce (because it's what Haleigh wanted), and certainly not for the fact that he rarely speaks Haleigh's name. It's disrespectful to Haleigh in my book.

[lorettalockhorn]

Tracian
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. I don't think the lifestyle that Ron and Misty had was in the best interest of either child. Be that as it may, I am sure that the average person, once their child went missing, would be constantly looking for the child, organizing search parties, at least I would if it happened to me. I live in the territory of the Molly Bish case and helped look for her...then I look at Ron and Misty and it's like night and day. I believe, one way or another, they have an idea of what happened or they were involved in some way.

You'd think Ron would be serving coffee and bottled water and thanking the searchers if nothing else. I think Crystal hosted at least one cookout, and maybe the Cummingses did too.

Many people have been impressed by Somer Thompson's mother's thankfulness and expressions of gratitude. I've never seen any of that in Satsuma.

[SaraSidle]

Tracian
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. I don't think the lifestyle that Ron and Misty had was in the best interest of either child. Be that as it may, I am sure that the average person, once their child went missing, would be constantly looking for the child, organizing search parties, at least I would if it happened to me. I live in the territory of the Molly Bish case and helped look for her...then I look at Ron and Misty and it's like night and day. I believe, one way or another, they have an idea of what happened or they were involved in some way.

then again woostock sometimes LE asked the family not to search in case they runing the crime scene or cannot handle finding a loved one in that condition. It may be the way that dept handles missing children/adults.

Either way can we go back to suspects and evidence and let everyone have their own opinion about Haleighs Parents please.

[longrider]

Wind, you may have been a police dispatcher. My question to you is why do you paint everyone that does not agree with you with the same brush? Have you ever been anywhere the dispatchers sound like you make'em out to sound? Have you ever actually heard one say any of that tripe? Well, gollee, I've managed to say all this and not called anyone a POS, white trash etc, all terms of which you are so fond. Oh yeah, I am now and have been a certified police officer since 09/1970. Maybe you are the one that needs to get a clue and get out of your ivory tower where everything and everybody has to meet your specifications. Oh, by the way, the agency I have been employed with the last 27 years won't even talk with a candidate for employment without at least a four year degree. Aw shucks, such flattery!!

[beemer]

Wow-i think we need to get back to the matter at hand here. Alot of us have been here awhile and we dont judge each other based on comments. In other words we cut each other slack when venting. This is a relaxed board where there is freedom of speech. I believe we all draw on life/work experience and form our opinions based on such. We all-myself included make blanket statements now and again. Perhaps this board is just not the right fit for you. I mean that with all due respect. We welcome all newbies but if you are inclined to stay sit back and get to know some of the posters here. They are a great group and bring a wealth of knowledge and experience here.

[Tracian]

Loretta:

I guess I misunderstood your comment in this post: BBM




Originally Posted by lorettalockhorn
Oh gosh, I can't help but remember how Sharon Rocha behaved when Laci Peterson was presumed missing and how Patti Canady behaved as Anne Pressly lay dying.

As for Haleigh's school records, they are posted here, they are posted here, but maybe you're already caught up on the thread and have seen them. a second, it wouldn't be that terribly unusual for him to have escaped any physical abuse; Haleigh could have been targeted.

You're right about one thing. Ron&Misty don't seem to be overly (if at all) concerned about what people think of them. But I don't either or both of them overly focused on finding Haleigh either.


Sorry again if I misunderstood your point.

[Tracian]

then again woostock sometimes LE asked the family not to search in case they runing the crime scene or cannot handle finding a loved one in that condition. It may be the way that dept handles missing children/adults.

Either way can we go back to suspects and evidence and let everyone have their own opinion about Haleighs Parents please.


There are many reasons that family should not search. IIRC TES trains their people not to touch anything around a body if found; trace evidence can be compromised. It would be very difficult for a parent, especially not to want to run and scoop up their child--IIRC that is exactly what John Ramsey did when he found his daughter..

[Tracian]

Tracian
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. I don't think the lifestyle that Ron and Misty had was in the best interest of either child. Be that as it may, I am sure that the average person, once their child went missing, would be constantly looking for the child, organizing search parties, at least I would if it happened to me. I live in the territory of the Molly Bish case and helped look for her...then I look at Ron and Misty and it's like night and day. I believe, one way or another, they have an idea of what happened or they were involved in some way.


Ron, I don't think was involved; Misty, I think quite possible does know something, or was directly involved.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta:

I guess I misunderstood your comment in this post: BBM







Sorry again if I misunderstood your point.

Yes, you did. IF Haleigh was abused, there is no reason to believe or assume that Junior would have also been abused.

We can assume that Ron has had some dealings with DCF since at one time he said that Haleigh is spanked according to their instructions (paraphrased). I personally don't hold Florida DCF in high regard. RILYA comes to mind.

[Tracian]

Yes, you did. IF Haleigh was abused, there is no reason to believe or assume that Junior would have also been abused.

We can assume that Ron has had some dealings with DCF since at one time he said that Haleigh is spanked according to their instructions (paraphrased). I personally don't hold Florida DCF in high regard. RILYA comes to mind.


Again, I apologise.

I personally do not assume anything based on a report to DCF. As far as instructions for spanking, that is not to say that Ron was beating Haleigh or JR., every state has different laws in regards to legal spanking. Some states do not allow anything but open hand spanking, some states allow paddling; and most parents, in my experience are not well versed on such laws.

I don't hold Child Services in high regard for many reasons, seems that there are either zealots that see abuse in everything, or jaded workers that would not see abuse if they were slapped upside the head.

[lorettalockhorn]

Again, I apologise.

I personally do not assume anything based on a report to DCF. As far as instructions for spanking, that is not to say that Ron was beating Haleigh or JR., every state has different laws in regards to legal spanking. Some states do not allow anything but open hand spanking, some states allow paddling; and most parents, in my experience are not well versed on such laws.

I don't hold Child Services in high regard for many reasons, seems that there are either zealots that see abuse in everything, or jaded workers that would not see abuse if they were slapped upside the head.

I'm not talking about any report to DCF and I'm not talking about any beating. I am saying that Ron has stated publicly that Haleigh is spanked according to DCF protocol which leads me to believe that he has had contact with them (or maybe he picked up a spanking pamphlet at the beer and ciggy store) and he was instructed on how to spank his daughter.

I guess I could go off on some tangent and assume that he was reported for beating Haleigh and DCF substantiated that as abuse and he was court ordered to attend parenting classes, etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

[Tracian]

I'm not talking about any report to DCF and I'm not talking about any beating. I am saying that Ron has stated publicly that Haleigh is spanked according to DCF protocol which leads me to believe that he has had contact with them (or maybe he picked up a spanking pamphlet at the beer and ciggy store) and he was instructed on how to spank his daughter.

I guess I could go off on some tangent and assume that he was reported for beating Haleigh and DCF substantiated that as abuse and he was court ordered to attend parenting classes, etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum. :rolleyes:


DCF like other agentcies across the country are flooded with claims of abuse, especially when the parents of the child are divorced or fighting for custody. I have no doubt that DCF went out and talked to Ron, and discussed the proper way to spank a child according to Florida law; most likely because a complaint was filed in that regard.

I guess I too could off on some tangent, and that since DCF cleared him of abuse, and that there was no court ruling in regards to parenting classes, because DCF cleared Ron, and Ron agreed to attend before mentioned classes that were strongly recommended that there is no proof of abuse, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum. :rolleyes:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090716/ARTICLES/907169927?Title=Haleigh-Cummings-father-cleared-in-DCF-abuse-investigation


From above link:

According to John Harrell, a spokesman for DCF's northeast region, the investigation was closed a few weeks ago with no indicators of abuse. He said the couple were strongly encouraged to attend parenting classes, "to cover issues like age-appropriate supervision and other topics."

[lorettalockhorn]

DCF like other agentcies across the country are flooded with claims of abuse, especially when the parents of the child are divorced or fighting for custody. I have no doubt that DCF went out and talked to Ron, and discussed the proper way to spank a child according to Florida law; most likely because a complaint was filed in that regard.

I guess I too could off on some tangent, and that since DCF cleared him of abuse, and that there was no court ruling in regards to parenting classes, because DCF cleared Ron, and Ron agreed to attend before mentioned classes that were strongly recommended that there is no proof of abuse, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum. :rolleyes:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090716/ARTICLES/907169927?Title=Haleigh-Cummings-father-cleared-in-DCF-abuse-investigation


From above link:

According to John Harrell, a spokesman for DCF's northeast region, the investigation was closed a few weeks ago with no indicators of abuse. He said the couple were strongly encouraged to attend parenting classes, "to cover issues like age-appropriate supervision and other topics."

Yes, we know that Ron was publicly exonerated according to this article for the investigation during this time frame. We have no idea what transpired in the past or why Ron had dealings with DCF.

Regardless of what tangent anyone goes off on, none of us can say with any certainty that Ron has never had a case of abuse or neglect substantiated against him, can we? If his demeanor with DCF and/or a judge is anything like it is with the media, I can only make a guess as to how compliant he has been. The guy's a schmo IMO.

[beemer]

Do we have any documentation as to whether the parenting classes were completed? That makes me uncomfortable that it was just strongly recommended. Next question did i dream or did i read that TES was going to come back and search again?