Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

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hahaha = wonderful woman.
yes, watching jvm was a waste of time.NG will be a waste too...they are 5 days behind...i coulodn't believe they stopped at cbs part 1.

HAHAHA Nancy is asking Mr. Shoemaker to give her his word about Ron's time schedule and his different jobs the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Why does she need his word when she's already got Ron's?

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omg, she did...NG just said it again...she said come on (crystal) doesn't even exercise visitation....how the devil is NG allowed to lie, like that on the news?:flamemad:

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To NG's credit, bipolar Chicago girl Jessica Jones reunited with her family after a tipster saw The Nancy Grace Show.

[ErrinSpelling]

HAHAHA Nancy is asking Mr. Shoemaker to give her his word about Ron's time schedule and his different jobs the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Why does she need his word when she's already got Ron's?

b/c she's insane? who knows what is in her head.

[ErrinSpelling]

ok, now it's 30,000- 70,000 reward.. NG you need to go home....when this case is over i am through w/ cnn....instead of looking for missing people, they just try to be outrageous...i turned the volume off today & watched newhart,on the computer & decided to just watch if haleigh is on.....

i am tired of " texting while driving"- taking your calls....hello , i think it's great,who cares if i kill people....WHY IS THERE A QUESTION?

today the caption said: father propositions daughter on facebook...taking your calls....ARE there 2 sides to this? it's ridiculous.

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b/c she's insane? who knows what is in her head.

Hayell yes she's insane. Else she wouldn't take Ron so seriously.

[ErrinSpelling]

To NG's credit, bipolar Chicago girl Jessica Jones reunited with her family after a tipster saw The Nancy Grace Show.

i am shocked, but that is wonderful.

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ok, now it's 30,000- 70,000 reward.. NG you need to go home....when this case is over i am through w/ cnn....instead of looking for missing people, they just try to be outrageous...i turned the volume off today & watched newhart,on the computer & decided to just watch if haleigh is on.....

i am tired of " texting while driving"- taking your calls....hello , i think it's great,who cares if i kill people....WHY IS THERE A QUESTION?

today the caption said: father propositions daughter on facebook...taking your calls....ARE there 2 sides to this? it's ridiculous.

Saw Mike Galanos starting up on that story. Oh. My. God. Didn't watch the discussion. Because what is there to discuss?

Seems to me that the other night, "friend of the show" Teresa Neves also said that there is a $70,000 reward for Haleigh. :shrug:

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Hayell yes she's insane. Else she wouldn't take Ron so seriously.

well that's a good point....i long for the days,when she had someone's record , in her hand & said: it's a book.... not one word about ron ever being arrested, but many words about crystal's car thingy.

[ErrinSpelling]

Saw Mike Galanos starting up on that story. Oh. My. God. Didn't watch the discussion. Because what is there to discuss?

Seems to me that the other night, "friend of the show" Teresa Neves also said that there is a $70,000 reward for Haleigh. :shrug:

exactly my point.what is there to discuss.

friend ,TN , probably heard NG say that, b/c we read all your articles & no one has said it has changed again.

[deacon]

I am getting this strange feeling that there is more to this whole story than meets the eye. I just can't figure out what it is. A lot of players in this saga no a lot more than they are saying and I mean more than misty or ron.

Something stinketh in Denmark.

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Exclusive: Misty Cummings’ Undercover Mama!

It was a unique search operation for Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, who seems to have a sixth sense – and a track record few can challenge, cracking unsolved mysteries by making people talk, finding the missing and the dead, offering expertise and equipment to police –and hope and closure to grieving families.

But in the search for Haleigh Cummings, he’s found his toughest challenge yet.

Instead of scanning ocean bottoms or busting through bedrock, he’d hoped to chisel away at the hardened heart of a tortured teenager, a child bride of 17 who police still believe holds the key to a missing five year old she reported missing eight months ago, while babysitting in Satsuma, Florida.

Call it “Operation Misty,” with one of Miller’s volunteers playing Misty Cummings’ undercover Mama, to keep her safe and glean information that he hoped might be useful to the Haleigh task force, The Bald Truth has learned.

In an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth Monday, Miller confirmed he secretly funded Misty Cummings’ mystery road trip to Daytona, Cocoa Beach, and Orlando, including a visit to Universal, after after she flunked a lie detector — because he feared her life was in danger. “If she died, we’d never find Haleigh,” he said.

Only last week’s road rage incident, when police pulled Misty over with driver and new best “friend” Donna Brock, blew his cover. Courtney Ballinger told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that a driver and passenger of a blue Dodge Caliber kept gesturing and making threats as they were driving near her on Interstate 4. No one was charged or arrested, but Brock was identified as a Miller volunteer, outted by a Florida radio station.

The information, that her pal, Donna, was in effect a spy, albeit for a good cause, reached Misty after the CBS Early Show flew the women to New York for Misty’s two part interview last week. “She was sitting there and got a text from Ronald, telling her what happened,” says Miller. “Let’s just say she wasn’t too happy.”

Brock is a long time Texas Equusearch volunteer; she’s worked on searches in North Carolina and in the Caylee Anthony case, lives parttime in Florida and, Miller tells me, offered to befriend Misty with a two-pronged goal: to glean information Misty confided that Miller would feed Putnam County Sheriff’s investigators, and to put some distance between her and husband Ronald Cummings.

“I was afraid Ronald Cummings might carry out his threat to ‘blow her teeth through the back of her head’ if it turned out she had anything to do with his missing daughter, then kill himself,” Miller told The Bald Truth.

”We’ve worked several missing persons cases where the one we believe has the answers has died or taken their own life, like Trenton Duckett’s Mom, and the case dies with them. If anything happened to Misty, the key to finding Haleigh, or what happened to her, would be gone.”

Miller says he first became alarmed after Misty “miserably” flunked a polygraph and a voice stress test he says she asked him to set up to clear her name—after initially balking. In getting to know the couple, to make them feel comfortable, he’d dropped by the Satsuma trailer where they lived with Annette Sykes, Ronald’s grandmother.

There, he says Ronald lead him to a closet, where he kept an assault rifle, with two clips, each holding 32 rounds, and pulled it out.

With his 3 year old son, Junior, watching, Miller tells me Cummings “made a statement that if he found out Misty had some involvement, he’d blow her teeth through the back of her head.

“Then, he put the (assault rifle) down on floor, butt first, and almost got on his knees, bent over, and put the barrel in his mouth, and says, ‘I’ll kill her, and then kill myself, and take a few others with me.’

“I said, ‘Ronald, give me that damn gun! You don’t need that gun around here. We don’t need anymore problems,’ and he said, ‘No, I’ll need this one more time.’

“And Junior is in the room, watching, and I’m thinking, ‘Here we go. He’s got a gun in the closet that doesn’t lock. It’s not in a locked gun case and there’s Junior in the house. It felt like child endangerment to me.

So I said, ‘Ronald, you already lost one child, and even at Junior’s age, they’re curious, and you don’t want to lose another child being irresponsible with this damn gun.’ That was the bedroom where he said he slept with Misty and Junior.”

Miller said he relayed the gun incident to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department, as Ronald and Misty appeared to be butting heads, with numerous family fights reported on this site, and documented by police. Ronald Cummings lawyer could not be reached for comment, nor did Donna Brock return our calls.

Two weeks ago, cameras captured Misty and Ronald in a very public embrace before Misty climbed into the car of a mystery friend who would later be identified as Donna Brock, and took off for the beach. Our sources told us, however, that The Kiss, belied the tension between them, and over the next week, we reported numerous fights via phone and text, including one where Ronald purportedly told Misty not to come back.

Shortly after she returned to Satsuma, Ronald’s mother, Teresa Neves, blamed major dysfunction in Misty’s family as one culprit in the relationship, with a restraining order against brother Tommy, who’d accused Ronald of decapitating a rat and putting it in his mailbox, both Misty parents declaring they felt she knew more than she was revealing about Haleigh, and a mother awaiting transfer to the Putnam County jail from Tennessee on theft charges.

Meanwhile, Misty flew to New York for the CBS Early Show, accompanied by Donna Brock, with the network paying for round trip airfare, hotel and meals, as is customary for those flown in for interviews.

At the same time, Ronald Cummings was telling his story to Maury Povich, for airing Oct. 22, and the couple was blaming media pressure, that they could go nowhere without mass attention, for the cause of their split, even hinting reconciliation might be possible one day.

Is any of this beginning to sound scripted?

As we reported the roller coaster relationship, we were told initially Misty had split from Ronald, gone AWOL, with the couple fighting and acrimonious.

Then as we learned more, we were asked not to reveal our sources of the inside information on the rift in progress, lest we blow TE’s strategy to unearth any surreptitious Haleigh leads, and honored that request. We did confirm independently that law enforcement was receiving a regular feed and updates on Misty whereabouts, along with tidbits that might be useful in the investigation, on a voluntary basis.

In no way were Miller or Brock official agents of law enforcement, sources tell me, or agents would have to read Misty her Miranda rights, that she was a target and that anything she said might be held against her.

“Detectives didn’t know where they were all the time,” says one insider close to the investigation,”but they knew how to find her if needed.”

Indeed, when Misty Cummings returned from her initial road trip week ago, she spent a few days in Satsuma, then joined back up with Brock who Miller describes as “the mother she never had,” for the brief New York foray back into fame, her second bite at the Big Apple after The NBC Today Show with Ronald.

Then it was back to Florida, and Satsuma, where Brock let her off at a gas station in Satsuma Saturday night, a bit of a come down, Miller tells me...

to be continued

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Continued from above

...By then, Misty’s initial anger had passed, he says, with Donna reporting back she’d actually gotten a kiss on the cheek from her new friend, who also told her, ‘I love you.’

Now that Miller has confirmed his Undercover Mama, he says he still has compassion for Misty, who “didn’t stand a chance” with the upbringing she received. “But the only reason we did this is to help find Haleigh.”

Whether Misty or anyone is ever arrested or charged with a crime remains up in the air, but at least for a time, if she ever winds up behind bars, Misty Croslin Cummings can say she got a taste of the good life, with mini-makeovers, hair and nails, a little spoiling, and a sympathetic shoulder to cry on and confide in, thanks to Miller and TE special agent Donna Brock.

With her lawyer, Robert Fields, resigning last week after she kept ignoring his advice, Misty may well feel alone in the world; her father has moved back in with brother Tommy; her mother remains behind bars, and sister in law Lindsay tells me she can’t come home again—though they’d welcome her – until and unless she asks the judge to drop the TRO against Tommy.

Meanwhile, her grandmother, Flora Hollers, in Nashville, asks me to relay a message to her that she will drop everything and drive to Satsuma to pick her up, if she wants to come home to live with her. The family, by in large, seems relieved Ronald is out of her life, for now.

But those close to the case can only hope an isolated Misty will reveal what investigators believe she’s holding—information that just might solve the case.

Miller says she asked to speak with detectives several days ago, so Brock drove her in and sat with her, as investigators laid out what her future could look like if they make a case against her: she may be too young to get the death penalty, but life in prison is a possibility, she was told.

“We still don’t’ believe she’s giving us straight information,” a source close to the case tells me. “She keeps telling us the same thing over and over again, and we have information that shows it’s not true…At some point, she has to make a decision if she wants to stay the course, or is she going to tell us.

“We’ve told her, ‘We are going forward with the case, no matter what your commitment is, and the moment we can prove you had something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh, we will proceed with criminal charges against you.’”

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/#more-3224

[SuzDuJour]

[I]“She was sitting there and got a text from Ronald, telling her what happened,” says Miller. “Let’s just say she wasn’t too happy.”

WHAT??!!!! Is this saying RONALD called to tell her Donna Brock was a spy??

WOW...so apparently Ronald doesn't REALLY want Misty to spill the beans...

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WHAT??!!!! Is this saying RONALD called to tell her Donna Brock was a spy??

WOW...so apparently Ronald doesn't REALLY want Misty to spill the beans...

So who told Ronald? And why?

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>>“And Junior is in the room, watching, and I’m thinking, ‘Here we go. He’s got a gun in the closet that doesn’t lock. It’s not in a locked gun case and there’s Junior in the house. It felt like child endangerment to me.

So I said, ‘Ronald, you already lost one child, and even at Junior’s age, they’re curious, and you don’t want to lose another child being irresponsible with this damn gun.’

Miller said he relayed the gun incident to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department

And where is Junior tonight? And where is the weapon and ammo tonight?

>>Miller describes as “the mother she never had

Poor Misty. Lisa never took her out on a road rage road trip?

>>That was the bedroom where he said he slept with Misty and Junior.”

Nothing like the little one sleeping with the newlyweds. Yeah, that's really appropriate. I suppose it's possible that Butterbean doesn't want to sleep alone. Then again, there's the possibility that he wouldn't want to sleep with Misty. Look where (supposedly) sleeping with Misty got Haleigh.

>>Misty, who “didn’t stand a chance” with the upbringing she received.

Misty has acknowledged that. She can change the outcome of that sorry upbringing.

>>the moment we can prove you had something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh, we will proceed with criminal charges against you.’”

Is Agent Donna the source of this information? Pardon me for thinking Donna Brock is every bit as full of **** as everyone else making money off Haleigh.

[SuzDuJour]

Everything in this case is upside down. Ronald married Misty cuz you keep your friends close and your enemies closer...yet when it comes real close to someone (Donna) possibly finding out what actually happened to Haleigh, Ronald calls Misty to tell her that Donna is a spy? HUH???

Not to mention, he can't really say why he married her, and he can't really say why he's divorcing her, except to say that maybe down the road they might reconcile?

THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY...

[SaraSidle]

Art Harris calls Donna Brock a "wonderful woman" on JVM tonight. :confused:

JVM is behind the times, reporting that it's unknown whether or not Misty meant the Cummings family or the Sheffield family when she made her remarks on Friday about the other side of the family having taken Haleigh. Would it really be so hard to have listened to exactly what Misty had to say today instead of just Friday's interview? :punch:

Judge Karen Mills -Francis smooched up to Jane by saying that she knew that Jane would have asked follow-up questions whereas CBS didn't bother.:rolleyes:

Oh, here's a quick blurb about Jane's addiction. :no: Puhleez Can we not bring up this 14 1/2 years of sobriety for just a NY minute here? Sure, up to and including 50% of Putnam County may have drug problems or addictions, but could Jane leave herself and her book out of the discussion?

On herself and the book? A BIG NO

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>>“And Junior is in the room, watching, and I’m thinking, ‘Here we go. He’s got a gun in the closet that doesn’t lock. It’s not in a locked gun case and there’s Junior in the house. It felt like child endangerment to me.

So I said, ‘Ronald, you already lost one child, and even at Junior’s age, they’re curious, and you don’t want to lose another child being irresponsible with this damn gun.’

Miller said he relayed the gun incident to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department

And where is Junior tonight? And where is the weapon and ammo tonight?

>>Miller describes as “the mother she never had

Poor Misty. Lisa never took her out on a road rage road trip?

>>That was the bedroom where he said he slept with Misty and Junior.”

Nothing like the little one sleeping with the newlyweds. Yeah, that's really appropriate. I suppose it's possible that Butterbean doesn't want to sleep alone. Then again, there's the possibility that he wouldn't want to sleep with Misty. Look where (supposedly) sleeping with Misty got Haleigh.

>>Misty, who “didn’t stand a chance” with the upbringing she received.

Misty has acknowledged that. She can change the outcome of that sorry upbringing.

>>the moment we can prove you had something to do with the disappearance of Haleigh, we will proceed with criminal charges against you.’”

Is Agent Donna the source of this information? Pardon me for thinking Donna Brock is every bit as full of **** as everyone else making money off Haleigh.

:D lol yes, poor misty didn't have lisa to take her on a road rage trip....i think misty could cause road rage by herself.

that's what i said, LE is just waiting for haleigh, to arrest misty.

ty for finding my word from last night- dysfunctional.

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Everything in this case is upside down. Ronald married Misty cuz you keep your friends close and your enemies closer...yet when it comes real close to someone (Donna) possibly finding out what actually happened to Haleigh, Ronald calls Misty to tell her that Donna is a spy? HUH???

Not to mention, he can't really say why he married her, and he can't really say why he's divorcing her, except to say that maybe down the road they might reconcile?

THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY...

There is just so much extraneous garbage in this case, mostly created by the people closest to Haleigh; how do they have the ftime and fenergy?!? I am uber suspicious of the people reporting anymore. How much of this is actually news? And how much is revenue for the reporters? And how much will ever be used to convict whoever is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance?

[SaraSidle]

So who told Ronald? And why?

he may have heard it because she was outted on the road rage incident by the media. again why did he tell her is a very good question.

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On herself and the book? A BIG NO

I think Jane makes a good point about the fact that drugs and alcohol and addiction are so very often integral to the cases she covers, but does she have to constantly bring up her own experiences when it ultimately leads to an advertisement for her new book? Don't get me wrong, I really love her and think she has a very different approach to crime with her "war on women" theme and feminist approach, but she's getting to the point of seeming like she has tunnel vision and is almost predictable word for word in her responses. She needs to keep it fresh. (Which is exactly what I like about Mike Galanos.)

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:D lol yes, poor misty didn't have lisa to take her on a road rage trip....i think misty could cause road rage by herself.

that's what i said, LE is just waiting for haleigh, to arrest misty.

ty for finding my word from last night- dysfunctional.

If Haleigh is dead, LE could be waiting until Misty is a senior citizen to charge her with a crime, so I'm not really sure if they're waiting to be taken by the hand to her body. If Haleigh is alive, I find it hard to believe that Misty is the only one who can lead them to her. :shrug: And if Donna Brock is the "source", my doubts are multiplied.

[SaraSidle]

I think Jane makes a good point about the fact that drugs and alcohol and addiction are so very often integral to the cases she covers, but does she have to constantly bring up her own experiences when it ultimately leads to an advertisement for her new book? Don't get me wrong, I really love her and think she has a very different approach to crime with her "war on women" theme and feminist approach, but she's getting to the point of seeming like she has tunnel vision and is almost predictable word for word in her responses. She needs to keep it fresh. (Which is exactly what I like about Mike Galanos.)

You are so correct. If Mike did both shows I would be happy. I have had to hear about NG book,JVM book and Robin meade (am newswomen) book. Okay we got it. you all wrote books. NG has all her fans be her favorite so she can send them a book. JVM says drugs and alcohol are the root of all evil and to fix it buy my book........................Loretta let's write a book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

If Haleigh is dead, LE could be waiting until Misty is a senior citizen to charge her with a crime, so I'm not really sure if they're waiting to be taken by the hand to her body. If Haleigh is alive, I find it hard to believe that Misty is the only one who can lead them to her. :shrug: And if Donna Brock is the "source", my doubts are multiplied.

With all the drugs going on there anything is possible. Cocaine and Oxycotin.
serious drugs

[lorettalockhorn]

he may have heard it because she was outted on the road rage incident by the media. again why did he tell her is a very good question.

You could be exactly right, I'm not at all sure the timeline there and not sure how to find out.

You are so correct. If Mike did both shows I would be happy. I have had to hear about NG book,JVM book and Robin meade (am newswomen) book. Okay we got it. you all wrote books. NG has all her fans be her favorite so she can send them a book. JVM says drugs and alcohol are the root of all evil and to fix it buy my book........................Loretta let's write a book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What'll we write about? My addiction to crosswords, cryptograms, sudokus and shade gardening isn't nearly as sexy as the CNN/HLN women's non-fiction and fiction stories.

[Amy]

In part two of an interview with Maggie Rodriguez, Misty Cummings, stepmother of missing five-year-old Haleigh, points to other relatives for the disappearance of her stepdaughter.

http://www.cbs.com/daytime/the_early_show/video/?pid=caMa52j6PuaY9bn5NUKuYbe_R7Hb40my

Everybody seems to be talking, but who the hell is LOOKING????

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Everybody seems to be talking, but who the hell is LOOKING????

Good question. We know who isn't.

[Amy]

omg, she did...NG just said it again...she said come on (crystal) doesn't even exercise visitation....how the devil is NG allowed to lie, like that on the news?:flamemad:

It isn't the news, really. She just talks about cases in the news. It might not be that she is lying so much as she doesn't look @ anything past her first impressions. In other cases, and even before she had her own show, she makes up her mind about something, and does not let discovery of other evidence get in her way of continuing to think the same way. Some rumors or speculation is printed or on a news program, and she runs with that, and doesn't always (well, hardly ever) corrects her "information," IMO.

[Amy]

Exclusive: Misty Cummings’ Undercover Mama!

snip for brevity.......

Is any of this beginning to sound scripted?

As we reported the roller coaster relationship, we were told initially Misty had split from Ronald, gone AWOL, with the couple fighting and acrimonious.

Then as we learned more, we were asked not to reveal our sources of the inside information on the rift in progress, lest we blow TE’s strategy to unearth any surreptitious Haleigh leads, and honored that request. We did confirm independently that law enforcement was receiving a regular feed and updates on Misty whereabouts, along with tidbits that might be useful in the investigation, on a voluntary basis.

In no way were Miller or Brock official agents of law enforcement, sources tell me, or agents would have to read Misty her Miranda rights, that she was a target and that anything she said might be held against her.

“Detectives didn’t know where they were all the time,” says one insider close to the investigation,”but they knew how to find her if needed.”

Indeed, when Misty Cummings returned from her initial road trip week ago, she spent a few days in Satsuma, then joined back up with Brock who Miller describes as “the mother she never had,” for the brief New York foray back into fame, her second bite at the Big Apple after The NBC Today Show with Ronald.

Then it was back to Florida, and Satsuma, where Brock let her off at a gas station in Satsuma Saturday night, a bit of a come down, Miller tells me...

to be continued

BBM

Is any of this beginning to sound STUUUPID??????

[lorettalockhorn]

It isn't the news, really. She just talks about cases in the news. It might not be that she is lying so much as she doesn't look @ anything past her first impressions. In other cases, and even before she had her own show, she makes up her mind about something, and does not let discovery of other evidence get in her way of continuing to think the same way. Some rumors or speculation is printed or on a news program, and she runs with that, and doesn't always (well, hardly ever) corrects her "information," IMO.

Like her notions of the Duke lacrosse case?

[SaraSidle]

BBM

Is any of this beginning to sound STUUUPID??????

I know it does not sound real anymore

[SaraSidle]

You could be exactly right, I'm not at all sure the timeline there and not sure how to find out.



What'll we write about? My addiction to crosswords, cryptograms, sudokus and shade gardening isn't nearly as sexy as the CNN/HLN women's non-fiction and fiction stories.

You know between the 2 of us we could come up with a lot of good stuff from the last 30 years or so. try it before you buy it

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Update: Father's Attorney Seeks 2nd Pair of Eyes and an NPO



Six-year-old Haleigh Cummings has been missing since she disappeared from her Satsuma, Florida home on February 9, 2009. The last person to see her was her babysitter Misty Croslin-Cummings, who then became her stepmother and will soon become her father's ex-wife.

According to Terry Shoemaker, the attorney representing Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, he believes the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is doing an excellent job following leads and tips, but a fresh set of eyes may aid the investigation.

Shoemaker told www.actionnewsjax.com, "What we’d like to do is hire an independent private investigator that would allow them to look into some different areas, check down some different stories that have come in and possibly lead the investigation in another direction."

Shoemaker is now investigating ways to set up a non-profit organization. He says its purpose would be to 1) help get the word out about Haleigh’s disappearance, and 2) serve as a way to gather funds to pay the private investigator.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5429075.php

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...I will be talking with Cobra at 1pm central, 2pm eastern today Oct/13 on BTR. To tune in, point your browser at www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before the show, you will see the link to it on the front page...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122612

Link on page.

[wind149]

Up till the last few days, I was thinking that TM is a good person, intent on finding Haleigh and now I am re-thinking that one! What would possess this man to try to play Magnum PI and send in a "spy" to befriend Misty hoping that she would give this woman info?? I would imagine Putnam is none to happy over that move!! And now we know that woman allegedly lied and said that Misty and Donna pulled a gun on her? Wanted her 15 minutes did she? Seems like everyone wants to be involved in this in one way or another and it is clear that she recognized Misty and decided to piss in her cornflakes too?? Now we all know Misty and Ron are not well liked by anyone, but to claim that these women were packing when she actually was the one to cut them off??? Her credibility went right out the window along with the bathwater on this one!! And why am I not surprised to learn about this gun incident involving Ron and that Jr was in the room? NG made the comment last night about the walls closing in on Misty and that appears to becoming a reality, first her own family turns on her and now if everyone is to be believed, Ron no longer is standing behind her and she KNEW that BEFORE she went on CBS singing her tune that he does not blame her even now and it was just "too much" for him so that is why he wants a divorce? And that Crystal's side of the family took Haleigh?? She is grasping at whatever she can at this point and now she knows that Donna was just not being a kind person, but a spy and where is she in Satsuma?

Her mama is in jail and her brothers are not about to take her in, so she must be couch crashing somewhere, basically homeless with no money, and maybe now that she is desperate, that Putnam should move in for the kill. I truly believe now that Ron has finally woken up, but to what degree??? We still do not know for sure if he does KNOW where Haleigh's body is, that child is deceased and it has been 9 months now, in three, it will be a year. He might have known all along and both of them have kept their mouths shut, or he might actually not know, it is a Catch 22 thing there. She killed the child in some fashion, that I am sure of, but was it out of anger or an accident? Now logic would dictate, that if Haleigh ate an Oxy and died, that is accidental, so why not cop to the fact that she accidently ingested an Oxy? She would be charged with illegal possession of a controlled substance resulting in a death which would not garner a life sentence, but some time, like 5 years maybe, but if she killed the child out of malice, of course she is not going to cop to it, but there have been parents, distracted, but not cruel, that have left their kids in hot cars only to have the child perish, but rarely, if any, of these people have been charged with murder or even manslaughter.

So if it was an accident she should have copped, but because of the way she was raised, that all police are evil and out to put you in jail, that she did not call them and I still think that someone helped her dispose of the body, but who?? And now it is all over but the crying for her, a jury, providing this baby's body is ever recovered, is going to see that she is not some dumb hick with a third grade education, they are going to see her as a murderess and how she lied and lied and tried to pin it on the bio mom's family and I love NG's comment about, "how does a fish get caught, it opens it's mouth?" Well she stuck her foot in it on national TV Fri and Mon and lied to LE from day one and this will not bode well for her. Now some lawyer will try the "childhood defense" that I am sure of, but in the end, she will be likely be just like Casey, in prison till death beckons either by natural causes or the executioner's needle. Her life is over and she is too dumb to see it and I hold Ron responsible too for thinking with his dick instead of his head, for allowing this twat to take care of his babies when clearly, she is incapable for caring for herself, never mind two young children and one with serious medical issues.

It is almost a blessing that this child is deceased, having to grow up with all of these inbred losers, can you imagine how she would have fared? How is Jr going to be when he gets older? I think CPS needs to step in and snap him because I think Ron would make good on his threats and poor Jr would probably be in the home when he snaps and shoves a gun down her throat!!! He has a horrible temper which clearly has gotten him in trouble many times and while the charges on his jacket reflects felony charges, I think he rolled on people and that is how he ends up not doing time, clearly, he is as much of a POS as she is and frankly, they belong together. I hate her for putting Crystal through this and while she won't win mommy of the year, I doubt the crap story that she was not close to Haleigh. Maybe she did not see her every day, but she loves her kids and I do feel for her because she is uneducated and does not know any better, she is a product of her upbringing too, women in lower classes often have many kids they can't care for, but that is all they know, they often have many siblings and parents that are addicts or drunks and can't escape the cycle as this is all they know and also, they tend to get pregnant very young as she did as there is no one telling them not to as their own mama's could not escape the cycle either.

And before I insult anyone here from the south, it seems to happen more in those small towns deep in the heart of Dixie. Incest runs deep in these families too and Turner's can be a result of inter-breeding too. One only has to take a look at Misty's trash family and you can see the incest coursing through their veins!!! Poor sweet, little Haleigh, she never stood a chance, being born into these ignorant people and I do hope good things for Jr, but that ain't gonna happen. I predict as a result of his sister being murdered, that he will grow up with many issues and probably have a prison record himself, so, so sad, that I feel this way for that little baby. A woman made a good point last night on Mike, albeit, a tad racist, but her point was duly noted.

The little black boy missing in CA, whose "Daddy" may or may not have murdered him was arrested, however, he was set free, so this woman who clearly is black calls Mike and says "well that man was arrested and they did not have a body yet either, so why doesn't Misty get arrested. is it because she is white"?? No, I don't think race is involved, the boy and the "daddy and mommy are black" but they were released, no solid evidence and no body. And may very well be arrested again as I DO feel he murdered that child. So while TM feels compelled to play detective and he failed miserably with "Donna the Spy", bottom line, this child lies somewhere, either in a field, or like I said, the landfill, or she became gator snack, in a garbage bag in a ditch and the b!tch responsible is free to smoke her ciggies at this very moment.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't remember reading anything anywhere that the victim of the road rage incident was lying or that she recognized Misty and used that as a way to insert herself into the case, except what Misty has had to say about the incident. And from what I remember of the 911 call, she said that she thought whatever they had could be a gun and wasn't insistent that it was a gun throughout the entire call.

I still think Tim Miller is finest kind, but this cockamamie idea was just an example of poor judgment all the way round, just liability-wise if for no other reason. I'm sure LE isn't thrilled (but I'm sure they took notes when Agent Donna was debriefed); looks like since the FBI is involved they could have found a better mole than Brock. It'll be interesting to see where Misty ends up and for how long; she can't move in with her brother obviously since she has a restraining order against him.

And it's interesting to me that Ron kind of pussyfoots around disavowing any support for Misty. He says one thing behind closed doors and another in front of the camera. He's as FOS as Misty. And much more dangerous IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sheriff's Office Responds to Haleigh Rumors

PALATKA, FL -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office has responded about the latest series of rumors regarding the search for Haleigh Cummings.

Officials said not a day goes by that someone doesn't report seeing the girl who disappeared from her home in Satsuma in February when she was 5-years-old.

Calls have come in from as far away as Texas, California and Massachusetts. Calls about sightings in nearby areas come in very frequently.

Recently, two sightings -- one each in Georgia and South Carolina -- were reported. There was videotape evidence for one of the sightings. However, the girl in the video was confirmed to be someone other than Haleigh Cummings.

Sheriff's Office officials say they still follow up on every lead that comes in, and they work with other law enforcement agencies to help them track down distant leads.

Despite the tips -- well over 4,000 -- officials are still no closer to finding out what happened to Haleigh...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146582&catid=3#

[wind149]

OK maybe she did not lie outright, but to confuse a carton of ciggies with a gun and she claims they were following her very closely, surely you could see that it was ciggies and not a gun? I am just skeptical of the whole thing is all. And the Putnam press release was not a BOMBSHELL, just their usual, we are working on leads, blah blah blah. They have no clue what to do about Misty and while I do hope they are checking out these supposed leads, I think they have just been spinning their wheels. I realize that there is a big argument about probable cause, but if Orange CO felt compelled to arrest Casey for child neglect and endangerment and lying to LE, surely, Putnam CO could levy the same charges seeing as Misty was responsible for Haleigh's well being that night and they do admit that her stories have big holes in them? And this skank has failed THREE LDT's, two of which they administered, they KNOW she is lying to save her own skinny ass??

I am willing to bet however, had Haleigh come from a blue blood southern family, they would have combed every inch of FL with a shovel and a toothbrush, would have formed a task force and called in every LE favor they ever had and I think, the child would have been recovered. But because she comes from a lower class family, they, have not done all they could have and it is sad that I feel this way, but it has been 9 freaking months and not one molecule of this child has been found. And ya know, the media has not helped one bit.They have been so caught up in the drama of these inbred families lives, that the focus has been off Haleigh for months, it is an afterthought that even NG is guilty of, she starts right off BOMBSHELL!!! "Misty and Ron get engaged at a Chili's" to the nuptials, to "RATEGATE" to BOMBSHELL! "Ron divorcing Misty" to BOMBSHELL! "Misty arrested in road rage incident"!!! ENOUGH ABOUT THESE LOSERS NG, get some people on your shows that care about HALEIGH and would work tirelessly trying to find her body instead of the usual lame talking heads blathering about the same old s!it!!!

And Mark Klaas is a tool IMO!!! Of all people who should know about having a missing and murdered child, he has been most unkind and very opined, almost condescending at times and I get that these people are pure D trash, no argument from me there, but me thinks he would be less if Haleigh came from the same income bracket as he. And I understand he is frustrated with Misty, who isn't??? I can't stand the sight of her ignorant face, but I would for the sake of finding that child!!! It is NOT ABOUT HER, it is an innocent child who did not ask to be born unto this trash, she had no choice but to accept that Misty was gonna be "mommy", this child, never stood a chance and all the media can do is report on the actions of these losers that are her family and forced family members, it is getting beyond sickening!!! Almost as sickening as the Jon and Kate crap!! God am I tired about that!!

Both of those people are complete asswipes and are lousy parents and they sold their kids down the river for money and these tools are the reason I hate most reality shows because most of them are pure D s!it and not worth the air time and money it cost to feature idiots and especially those two and their 8 brats!!!!! And people wait with bated breath to hear all the latest crap out of one of their mouths!! JON STEALS THE LAST $200,000 IN THEIR CHECKING ACCOUNT, HOW IS KATE SUPPOSED TO PAY THE INTERNET BILL AND THE VOLVO PAYMENT??? And we are supposed to feel sorry for these two dysfunctional yuppie puppies who did not happen to have eight freaking kids naturally??? They are as bad as OCTOMOM!!! But did you know that Kate wants a tummy tuck? Who is gonna pay for that? How is she gonna sell her kids for that??? I think the media nowadays are not into reporting news, it is the whole ratings ratings, and when ya got people who have no lives wanting to hear what club Jon was at last night and was he with a blond or a redhead, and the media is happy to oblige because Dora Rae in Beer Fart OK called the JVM show wanting to know all about the BIG DATE??? PLEASE WTF!!!!!! And while we are all guilty here of wanting to know about where the Haleigh debacle is at, I could give a crap less if Ron does shove a 44 right down Misty's throat providing Jr is not in the room???

[Eagle1]

Ron had lost his job. Does he have another one?

Misty just flew 1st class, I believe NG said, to NY. For an interview, and the show paid for her flight?

[lorettalockhorn]

>>a blue blood southern family, they would have combed every inch of FL with a shovel and a toothbrush

Wind, I've thought the same thing, but LE is really under a microscope here and has the help of FDLE and the FBI, so I hope what seems like bumbling is just a matter of little or nothing being said and the fact that a great deal of what is actually leaked is being reported by a few vulture commentators. (I hesitate to use the term journalist or reporter except maybe for TJ Hart.)

I don't think we've heard the last about the road rage incident, especially if some of these intrepid "journalists" can prove that there is some sort of connection among the parties that existed before Agent Mama Donna hooked up with Misty. And I'm so prejudiced against Misty (she's got to be the most reviled fslut in the news these days since Casey Anthony), I can well imagine her pointing a cigarette box or carton or whatever and miming like it's a gun, her being so fly and all. :rolleyes:

I would usually fall down and salaam Mark Klaas, but he's been pretty naive about Haleigh's life and household before she went missing; in fact he reminds me of NG in that sense. Nothing is going to make her think that Ron is less of a parent than her own fine self; this all happened while he was working the night shift earning an honest living!!! I wonder if Nancy and some of her uninformed guests simply choose what they want to believe. :shrug:

[Bullwinkle]

Here's how I found Cobra's interview from earlier today: Search (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/william-cobra-staubs/) and play the first one.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ron had lost his job. Does he have another one?

Misty just flew 1st class, I believe NG said, to NY. For an interview, and the show paid for her flight?


I think if Ron had a new job we would have heard about it by now! I mean, poor guy can't do anything without people staring at him and all. You'd think the judge who awarded him custody would want to know all about his work and insurance and gun possession and storage arrangements.

Assuming that Maury paid for Ron's airfare and accommodations and that CBS paid for Misty's. I read somewhere that Misty didn't fly first class but don't remember where.

[ErrinSpelling]

If Haleigh is dead, LE could be waiting until Misty is a senior citizen to charge her with a crime, so I'm not really sure if they're waiting to be taken by the hand to her body. If Haleigh is alive, I find it hard to believe that Misty is the only one who can lead them to her. :shrug: And if Donna Brock is the "source", my doubts are multiplied.

in the word of NG "understood"...i had imagined something like washing ashore & then they go get misty..not necessarily misty doing anything...

[ErrinSpelling]

It isn't the news, really. She just talks about cases in the news. It might not be that she is lying so much as she doesn't look @ anything past her first impressions. In other cases, and even before she had her own show, she makes up her mind about something, and does not let discovery of other evidence get in her way of continuing to think the same way. Some rumors or speculation is printed or on a news program, and she runs with that, and doesn't always (well, hardly ever) corrects her "information," IMO.

no,it isn't really news ...the reason i called it lying is b/c it wouldn't be the 1st time....she kept calling chris coleman's GF a stripper, even after she was told , she wasn't....2 more nights, she kept saying stripper...then finally she said stripper a 3rd time & stopped , made a mean face & said excuse me,HOSTESS.....i have seen her being stubborn...i think she knows better /that crystal does have visitation....that was uncalled for.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's how I found Cobra's interview from earlier today: Search (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/william-cobra-staubs/) and play the first one.

Thanks Bullwinkle, does anyone have a recap or transcript? http://media.photobucket.com/image/lalala%20smiley/b_grrrlie/smileys/lalala.gif

[ErrinSpelling]

I think if Ron had a new job we would have heard about it by now! I mean, poor guy can't do anything without people staring at him and all. You'd think the judge who awarded him custody would want to know all about his work and insurance and gun possession and storage arrangements.

Assuming that Maury paid for Ron's airfare and accommodations and that CBS paid for Misty's. I read somewhere that Misty didn't fly first class but don't remember where.

i think you read it on pg 163,in art's story...cbs paid for roundtrip airfare, meals & hotel for misty, as is customary.

are we talking about an honest living or a dishonest living? j/k:hat:

[SuzDuJour]

Speaking of Mark Klaas, last night he was talking about GPS enabled cell phones for kids and what a great idea they are. I had gotten one for my 11-year old granddaughter since she just started middle school and is riding the bus for the first time. The GPS thing is the GREATEST - I log on with the computer and it tells exactly where she is - which is usually a picture of the school or a picture of her home. Well, today I logged on and it showed a picture of an empty field next to a country road and a row of trees. I had a grammie HEART ATTACK on the spot...quickly phoned her and she was home safe and sound. I don't know why it located that area, but I called her mom and told her to check "K"s backpack for maybe some 'plants' or something... kidding, of course.

Anyway...GPS for kids. Great idea...

[ErrinSpelling]

Speaking of Mark Klaas, last night he was talking about GPS enabled cell phones for kids and what a great idea they are. I had gotten one for my 11-year old granddaughter since she just started middle school and is riding the bus for the first time. The GPS thing is the GREATEST - I log on with the computer and it tells exactly where she is - which is usually a picture of the school or a picture of her home. Well, today I logged on and it showed a picture of an empty field next to a country road and a row of trees. I had a grammie HEART ATTACK on the spot...quickly phoned her and she was home safe and sound. I don't know why it located that area, but I called her mom and told her to check "K"s backpack for maybe some 'plants' or something... kidding, of course.

Anyway...GPS for kids. Great idea...
:)
i saw that on reba..the little one traded, with her 16 yr. old sister ,who went to a karaoke bar.

[SuzDuJour]

:)
i saw that on reba..the little one traded, with her 16 yr. old sister ,who went to a karaoke bar.

LOL!! No matter how clever you think you are, a 10 year old is more so!!

[BeastofBears]

I think Jane makes a good point about the fact that drugs and alcohol and addiction are so very often integral to the cases she covers, but does she have to constantly bring up her own experiences when it ultimately leads to an advertisement for her new book? Don't get me wrong, I really love her and think she has a very different approach to crime with her "war on women" theme and feminist approach, but she's getting to the point of seeming like she has tunnel vision and is almost predictable word for word in her responses. She needs to keep it fresh. (Which is exactly what I like about Mike Galanos.)

I've been noticing that too. It's been feeling to me like she is seeing everything through the lens of her own experiences...like as soon as drugs or alcohol are mentioned, you see her perk up and think ah-ha! and she runs with it.

[BeastofBears]

:)
i saw that on reba..the little one traded, with her 16 yr. old sister ,who went to a karaoke bar.

Oh great...a new way for the little darlings to mess with our heads!

[wind149]

What happens on HlN is Mike gets to run with whatever he wants to for his two hours, then Jane will re-hash almost verbatim what he and his guests and viewers talked about and then comes NG not to be outdone with her decry of BOMBSHELL!! Like something changed in three hours, but all she does is rehash too and add her usual scorn and sarcasm and while I dig her scorn of Misty, I can't for the life of me understand her complete love fest with Ron!! He is as much as a POS as Misty, but she just plays the Miz Nancy thing to the hilt and at first I thought this was one of her legal ploys, play the good one and you will get more dirt and that eventually she was going to go on for the kill, now I am not so sure. I think because he did pass a polygraph and his cell phone pinged the right tower and 34 people swear he was running a big ass crane during the supposed time line, she completely buys into he is as innocent as a new born kitten!!!

Now someone who knows her way around a courtroom still would have reservations about a complete low life seeing as she saw many in her career and yet, she seems to really buy into he is a good man and a good daddy crap. I see him as the creep he is, with a penchant for young girls, a bad temper and a druggie to boot with a record saying as much, but I think he is also a rat and that is how he has skated. In other words, no better than the Croslin clan, he would turn on his own mother to save his own ass. And he let that stupid inbred piece of jail bait into his home to take care of his kids and now one is dead and he can blame himself too, but he won't. And maybe if he did stick a gun down her throat, maybe she would confess as to where the body is??? She is afraid of him and that is why she has not said boo about him to the media, she has not called him an asshole, she has not talked smack about him, it is like she is like just letting the divorce ride.

But I suspect some other low life down there in Deliverance will think she is a hottie and feel sorry for her and she will be shacked up by next month with Billy Bob or DeShawn the local drug dealer, Misty knows how to use her body and right now, that is all she has left. I would feel a tad sorry for her if I did not feel so strongly that she has murdered Haleigh. She has the mental age of a third grader and probably has no idea that brothers and daddies don't boink their sisters and daughters and mama's don't steal checks from old men and kids as a rule don't live in cars and shelters. And mommies and daddies do not use the welfare checks for a fix. She has had it hard, no doubt and I guess Ron looked like Brad Pitt to her and a means to get out of her parents shack. But clearly, she could not cope with the kids and Ron was no help, I bet if she complained, he would tell her tough, and she has been taught from a young age, you don't question the mister!!!

So she was living day after day in a trailer with two kids and let's not forget this gal liked to Oxy it up and kids will cramp your partying lifestyle and I think Haleigh might have been acting up as kids do at that age and she snapped. With that said, if only she had come clean and told the cops she hit the child and the child hit her head and died, or maybe she did overdose her with an Oxy, she would be doing time, but now, she will be facing a life sentence or maybe the DP as the DA is going to go for blood because of the way she has avoided the police, has stormed out of sessions when she did agree to talk to them, and when a question would arise she did not wish to answer, she was quick to point out that she had, HAD a lawyer being the operative word now, Now she has no one in her corner and Donna turned on her too is what she is probably thinking now. I would hate to be her at this point and if she had a brain cell, she should be copping to wherever Haleigh is and taking her chances that the DA does not seek to incarcerate her for life. She might have been able to get out in time to still have one, but now, that is highly doubtful.

[Amy]

Ron had lost his job. Does he have another one?

Misty just flew 1st class, I believe NG said, to NY. For an interview, and the show paid for her flight?

As a rule, networks pay for travel expenses, including hotels and meals for an "interviewee." I don't have a link, but there have been article links in this and the Caylee Anthony case when the issue comes up. The networks will admit to paying for this stuff, and insist they don't "pay" for the interviews.

Ron hasn't had another job, that has been reported. At least, not one where he would be earning "an honest living." ;)

And, I do believe I read somewhere, that this last interview Misti participated in, she actually went coach.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Update: Rumors of Dad and His Guns Spark Investigation

Based on claims in report from an internet site and information from web forums, sources close the Haleigh Cummings abduction case say an investigation was opened by DCF regarding claims Haleigh's father had talked about using a gun in a threating manner in the presence of his young son.

Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch is reported saying on www.artharris.com:

"With his 3 year old son, Junior, watching, Miller tells me Cummings “made a statement that if he found out Misty had some involvement, he’d blow her teeth through the back of her head.
“Then, he put the (assault rifle) down on floor, butt first, and almost got on his knees, bent over, and put the barrel in his mouth, and says, ‘I’ll kill her, and then kill myself, and take a few others with me.’ "

CORRECTION: Sources close to the investigation tell 97.3 The Sky that DCF got that report Tuesday and that the Putnam County Sheriff's Office sent a deputy to assist the agency.

Our source also says the sheriff's office has not yet been involved in this matter, but are they being kept in the loop should something criminal evolve from the DCF investigation.

Haleigh is described as a 6 year old white female. She is approximately 3'0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.

Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit's Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.

A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.

If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637).

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php

[lorettalockhorn]

>>that the Putnam County Sheriff's Office sent a deputy to assist the agency...Our source also says the sheriff's office has not yet been involved in this matter, but are they being kept in the loop should something criminal evolve from the DCF investigation.

If the deputy assisted DCF aren't they actually involved? Or is this a case of them being on the scene but not involved like the Cobra incident with the RSO. :confused:

>>An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.

So the reward now stands at $65,000 or $100,000? :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh. Someone looks worse for the wear:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

Wasn't her bail much higher on the pickup warrant?

[lorettalockhorn]

So far no divorce papers filed by either of the Cummingses. Gee Ron's so level headed.

[beemer]

Oh. Someone looks worse for the wear:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

Wasn't her bail much higher on the pickup warrant?

Lordy she is only 40 :eek: looks much older. Yeah whats up with the bail?

[Nawny]

With all the drugs going on there anything is possible. Cocaine and Oxycotin.
serious drugs

Yes Sara. SO many crimes are committed by altered minds. I think Crystal Meth is about the worst. If you google it you will see a lot of before and after pictures of those who became addicted to that one. Hag-Momma looks just like one of the AFTER pictures.. OMG! That drug makes you ugly in hurry. I have no idea what the thrill is in that stuff. I guess those who start playing with it think it won't affect them that way. They are said to have terminal uniqueness. It effects everyone that way. Bad.

[Nawny]

It isn't the news, really. She just talks about cases in the news. It might not be that she is lying so much as she doesn't look @ anything past her first impressions. In other cases, and even before she had her own show, she makes up her mind about something, and does not let discovery of other evidence get in her way of continuing to think the same way. Some rumors or speculation is printed or on a news program, and she runs with that, and doesn't always (well, hardly ever) corrects her "information," IMO.

I'm on the fence about Crystal. The fact that NG isn't shy about her feelings about her makes me nervous. I get the sense that she knows something about Haleigh's mother that we don't. Wouldn't it be a huge shocker if we find out she had something to do with the child's fate. I know it's not a good theory, I was just thinking how weird that would be. When she talks she's so monotone and her facial expressions are not normal for a mom who's kid is missing. :shrug:

[JLette]

I'm on the fence about Crystal. The fact that NG isn't shy about her feelings about her makes me nervous. I get the sense that she knows something about Haleigh's mother that we don't. Wouldn't it be a huge shocker if we find out she had something to do with the child's fate. I know it's not a good theory, I was just thinking how weird that would be. When she talks she's so monotone and her facial expressions are not normal for a mom who's kid is missing. :shrug:

ITA Nawny, and its interesting because i feel the very same about Ronald. neither of them ever have any type of emotion in their voice when they speak, and they always have a deadpan face on. weird:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm on the fence about Crystal. The fact that NG isn't shy about her feelings about her makes me nervous. I get the sense that she knows something about Haleigh's mother that we don't. Wouldn't it be a huge shocker if we find out she had something to do with the child's fate. I know it's not a good theory, I was just thinking how weird that would be. When she talks she's so monotone and her facial expressions are not normal for a mom who's kid is missing. :shrug:


I guess it wouldn't surprise me if NG knows something about Crystal that we don't, but wouldn't some one else have ferreted out this information and posted it somewhere or blabbed it by now? Can't imagine that Crystal has secrets much darker than Ron's being a serial statutory rapist and liar. And it's laughable that Miss Nancy harps on Crystal's car theft history considering how often Ron has been arrested. And that he's a liar. And a rageaholic. And a liar.

Crystal had what seemed like some pretty serious health issues soon after Haleigh was kidnapped, but don't know if they were stress related. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if she isn't on some sort of medication to settle her nerves.

Nancy Schmancy wasn't shy about her feelings about the Duke LaCrosse case either.

[ErrinSpelling]

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if NG knows something about Crystal that we don't, but wouldn't some one else have ferreted out this information and posted it somewhere or blabbed it by now? Can't imagine that Crystal has secrets much darker than Ron's being a serial statutory rapist and liar. And it's laughable that Miss Nancy harps on Crystal's car theft history considering how often Ron has been arrested. And that he's a liar. And a rageaholic. And a liar.

Crystal had what seemed like some pretty serious health issues soon after Haleigh was kidnapped, but don't know if they were stress related. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if she isn't on some sort of medication to settle her nerves.

Nancy Schmancy wasn't shy about her feelings about the Duke LaCrosse case either.

wouldn't suprise me either...they were all writing at art's a few months ago, about how crystal is taking anti-seizure medication.
i just realized,even if nancy schmancy doesn't have the book of ron's arrests...she probably can count & knows misty + ron = no no.

[wind149]

I think Crystal is a product of her upbringing, therefore, she is a tad slow in the brains dept, but I truly do not feel that she had anything to do with Haleigh being dead. If she was truly worried for the kids, would she not have had Jr taken as well??? As for Ron, I think most of his emote was staged and many people in FL feel very strongly that the 911 call was a completely staged call and don't ya agree, especially since the very nano second his truck pulled in the yard is the time Misty calls them? Not one second before, but that precise moment? A DA will have a field day with that one, believe me and the defense is gonna be sitting there, not breathing. As for Misty, all of her emote has been staged as well. Watching that footage of her and her sea hag mama and there is Misty trying to convince the world that she "would never hurt that little girl, I loved her", LOVED being the operative word? And this being within hours of the child's disappearance??? Like she already knew Haleigh was in the past tense? Not I love that little girl, I LOVED HER has always stuck in craw and the way she was trying like hell to cry, and not a tear rolled down her cheek. Kinda like Susan Smith on national TV, sobbing, but no tears like she had to dig deep for an emotion enough to make her cry??? Like method actors do??? And I can sorta understand NG's disdain for Crystal seeing as she is now the eternal earth mother of those twins she can't get enough of bragging on, because Crystal did not have custody and might not have known Haleigh's daily routine and every move, but I do believe that she loves her kids way more than Ron does and Misty has never loved, I think she saw Haleigh as a rival for Ron's affections and that is why she did not harm Jr, but if that man is to be believed at the school bus stop where he heard her swearing at him and possibly smacking him, she did not dig him at all either, but Haleigh was reported to be "daddy's girl" and since Misty has the intelligence of a stalk of celery, I am thinking jealousy was rearing it's ugly head on a daily basis.

[deacon]

I'm on the fence about Crystal. The fact that NG isn't shy about her feelings about her makes me nervous. I get the sense that she knows something about Haleigh's mother that we don't. Wouldn't it be a huge shocker if we find out she had something to do with the child's fate. I know it's not a good theory, I was just thinking how weird that would be. When she talks she's so monotone and her facial expressions are not normal for a mom who's kid is missing. :shrug:

You know, it is really strange to me that she did not have custody. I know she didn't have a job and ron was making an *honest* living but that would normally just lead to more child support. However, she lost custody. There is something in the closet we don't know yet. This, BTW would be the perfect time for her to attempt to get custody of Jr. but she isn't. Weird.

[JLette]

You know, it is really strange to me that she did not have custody. I know she didn't have a job and ron was making an *honest* living but that would normally just lead to more child support. However, she lost custody. There is something in the closet we don't know yet. This, BTW would be the perfect time for her to attempt to get custody of Jr. but she isn't. Weird.

i wish they would arrest someone already so the sunshine law could shine some light on some of this stuff. :read:

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, it is really strange to me that she did not have custody. I know she didn't have a job and ron was making an *honest* living but that would normally just lead to more child support. However, she lost custody. There is something in the closet we don't know yet. This, BTW would be the perfect time for her to attempt to get custody of Jr. but she isn't. Weird.

Before Picazio jumped ship, custody of Junior may have been the plan, but based on what? DCF didn't find anything (including the fact that teen mom was negligent) for Crystal to use to strongarm a change in custody. And she was woefully behind in support; that right there would keep me from going to the judge. Either she or Picazio knew that those arrearages needed to be brought up to date before filing any motions along those lines.

And like Wind I don't like the phony emotions by Ron&Misty, the false prosidy by Ron, the past tense of the verb love, the fact that Haleigh is so frequently referred to as "that little girl" and "my daughter", but not by her name, etc, etc.

Interesting that lately Misty has said that Crystal admitted that she and Haleigh didn't have a good relationship, but I don't think I've ever seen that in any interview, and you'd think Miss Nancy would jump on that like a duck on a Junebug. On the other hand, Crystal could at any time tell the world that Haleigh doesn't/didn't love Misty, but she has done exactly the opposite.

[lorettalockhorn]

i wish they would arrest someone already so the sunshine law could shine some light on some of this stuff. :read:

JLette, I've thought for a while that that is a big part of why they don't arrest Misty for lying to LE.

And speaking of LE and the article earlier about the task force not considering Haleigh to be dead (because they have no evidence that she is) despite the fact that the task force includes a homicide detective, I would love for them to elucidate on just how it is that they think Haleigh has been kept alive all these months.

[deacon]

Before Picazio jumped ship, custody of Junior may have been the plan, but based on what? DCF didn't find anything (including the fact that teen mom was negligent) for Crystal to use to strongarm a change in custody. And she was woefully behind in support; that right there would keep me from going to the judge. Either she or Picazio knew that those arrearages needed to be brought up to date before filing any motions along those lines.

And like Wind I don't like the phony emotions by Ron&Misty, the false prosidy by Ron, the past tense of the verb love, the fact that Haleigh is so frequently referred to as "that little girl" and "my daughter", but not by her name, etc, etc.
Interesting that lately Misty has said that Crystal admitted that she and Haleigh didn't have a good relationship, but I don't think I've ever seen that in any interview, and you'd think Miss Nancy would jump on that like a duck on a Junebug. On the other hand, Crystal could at any time tell the world that Haleigh doesn't/didn't love Misty, but she has done exactly the opposite.

None of them qualify for parent of the year or anything. I just have to wonder why ron got custody to start with. He was what he is now back then and the judge still gave him custody. That is very unusual.

[Nawny]

ITA Nawny, and its interesting because i feel the very same about Ronald. neither of them ever have any type of emotion in their voice when they speak, and they always have a deadpan face on. weird:shrug:

Yes, agree and I don't think it's because they have a wealth of integrity. I mean like Jackie O or someone like that would be able to be composed in the worst of times, as she has shown us. But those ingrates are stoned, I think.

[lorettalockhorn]

None of them qualify for parent of the year or anything. I just have to wonder why ron got custody to start with. He was what he is now back then and the judge still gave him custody. That is very unusual.

I posted what was available from the court way back when. You can read it (and may have to read between the lines) and your guess is as good as anyone else's. But basically it was because Crystal had no DL or car and no way to guarantee that Haleigh would meet her doc appointments, and had in fact missed at least two (if memory serves) while with Crystal. Ron told the judge that Mother Teresa and GGMS (and maybe also his sister) would be babysitting the kids, that they would be living with TN, and the judge wanted the children added to Ron's insurance as soon as possible. Ron and Crystal each alleged that the other had used drugs.

What I have seen for many, many years when both parents are as sorry as buzzard sh!t is the judge granting joint custody. Since Crystal had no reliable transportation, I suppose even that wasn't possible. But you'd think she would have foreseen that before she went to court. :shrug:

[Nawny]

JLette, I've thought for a while that that is a big part of why they don't arrest Misty for lying to LE.

And speaking of LE and the article earlier about the task force not considering Haleigh to be dead (because they have no evidence that she is) despite the fact that the task force includes a homicide detective, I would love for them to elucidate on just how it is that they think Haleigh has been kept alive all these months.

I hear ya loretta. There is something going on, however not as in the case of Caylee where no one reported her missing for a month. These goofs went hysterical instantly, same night.. hmmm, yet Misty didn't make the call instantly did she?

OT: Though there was no physical proof that Caylee was dead, they must have decided on the premice that Casey didn't report her missing. That was the deciding factor that she was dead. Not so here in Haleigh's case.

Did I just make sense?

Wouldn't it be so wonderful if someone has the child and is treating her like a human being, loving her, feeding her, keeping her safe? We all wish that were true I'm sure.

[deacon]

I posted what was available from the court way back when. You can read it (and may have to read between the lines) and your guess is as good as anyone else's. But basically it was because Crystal had no DL or car and no way to guarantee that Haleigh would meet her doc appointments, and had in fact missed at least two (if memory serves) while with Crystal. Ron told the judge that Mother Teresa and GGMS (and maybe also his sister) would be babysitting the kids, that they would be living with TN, and the judge wanted the children added to Ron's insurance as soon as possible. Ron and Crystal each alleged that the other had used drugs.

What I have seen for many, many years when both parents are as sorry as buzzard sh!t is the judge granting joint custody. Since Crystal had no reliable transportation, I suppose even that wasn't possible. But you'd think she would have foreseen that before she went to court. :shrug:

I guess the thing I have problems with is that around here, fathers who have custody are about as common as hen's teeth. It just does not happen.:shrug:

[Nawny]

I posted what was available from the court way back when. You can read it (and may have to read between the lines) and your guess is as good as anyone else's. But basically it was because Crystal had no DL or car and no way to guarantee that Haleigh would meet her doc appointments, and had in fact missed at least two (if memory serves) while with Crystal. Ron told the judge that Mother Teresa and GGMS (and maybe also his sister) would be babysitting the kids, that they would be living with TN, and the judge wanted the children added to Ron's insurance as soon as possible. Ron and Crystal each alleged that the other had used drugs.

What I have seen for many, many years when both parents are as sorry as buzzard sh!t is the judge granting joint custody. Since Crystal had no reliable transportation, I suppose even that wasn't possible. But you'd think she would have foreseen that before she went to court. :shrug:


Good post loretta. :beer:

Crystal isn't wrrapped too tightly. She's a sleepy young lady. She managed to wake up early enough to get her make over eh?

[lorettalockhorn]

I hear ya loretta. There is something going on, however not as in the case of Caylee where no one reported her missing for a month. These goofs went hysterical instantly, same night.. hmmm, yet Misty didn't make the call instantly did she?

OT: Though there was no physical proof that Caylee was dead, they must have decided on the premice that Casey didn't report her missing. That was the deciding factor that she was dead. Not so here in Haleigh's case.

Did I just make sense?

Wouldn't it be so wonderful if someone has the child and is treating her like a human being, loving her, feeding her, keeping her safe? We all wish that were true I'm sure.

Of course you make sense! And it makes sense that if there is no physical evidence like massive quantities of blood found at the trailer, then LE has no reason to believe that Haleigh is dead. (So far as we know the only blood on the scene was from where Ron punched the door and banged up his knuckles.) And there is the argument that LE can't arrest Misty without probably cause just because she lied unless they can back that up in court. But recently they have stated that physical evidence at the scene doesn't support her version(s) of the facts, so it sounds to me like they possibly can make an arrest.

I'm good with that.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess the thing I have problems with is that around here, fathers who have custody are about as common as hen's teeth. It just does not happen.:shrug:

It's very unusual around here too, and joint custody is relatively rare also. To be honest, some judges use it when they simply can't decide who is the lessor of two evils and then it's incumbent on both parties to be a better parent than the other (instead of trying to get away with be a bigger Ahole than the other).

[lorettalockhorn]

Good post loretta. :beer:

Crystal isn't wrrapped too tightly. She's a sleepy young lady. She managed to wake up early enough to get her make over eh?

hehehe And at least she didn't end up looking like Wednesday Addams like Misty did!

[SuzDuJour]

I keep going back to Tommy Croslin putting himself at the scene at the very time Haleigh disappeared. Why would he do that? Was LE fishing and told him he was seen there and he felt he needed an explanation? So strange.

Is his the van that had the big scratch on it? (I've lost track)
Is there a blanket missing that Misty said was in THAT van?

BTW, I saw that Ron's lawyer (last night on NG) said that Misty had signed the paperwork for the big D, but they weren't going to be filed until today. I haven't seen anything on that yet...anyone?

[lorettalockhorn]

I keep going back to Tommy Croslin putting himself at the scene at the very time Haleigh disappeared. Why would he do that? Was LE fishing and told him he was seen there and he felt he needed an explanation? So strange.

Is his the van that had the big scratch on it? (I've lost track)
Is there a blanket missing that Misty said was in THAT van?

BTW, I saw that Ron's lawyer (last night on NG) said that Misty had signed the paperwork for the big D, but they weren't going to be filed until today. I haven't seen anything on that yet...anyone?

Good point about LE on a fishing expedition, but it's been verified that Ron called him. About what we don't know yet.

Wasn't the van with the scratch on it that LE impounded for a while Timmy and Chelsea's? Timmy had been by earlier in the day with his boys and Cousin Joe? Better check that out.

I'll look at the courthouse website again too.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nothing at the courthouse on the D*I*V*O*R*C*E yet.

Van story:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

[SuzDuJour]

Good point about LE on a fishing expedition, but it's been verified that Ron called him. About what we don't know yet.

Wasn't the van with the scratch on it that LE impounded for a while Timmy and Chelsea's? Timmy had been by earlier in the day with his boys and Cousin Joe? Better check that out.

I'll look at the courthouse website again too.

Thanks Lo, I knew you'd have the answers!

[SuzDuJour]

Oh, I remember now...the cousin Joe thing.

[deacon]

Alright, let's step back and look at this in a different light. Who is "flying under the radar?" Who is LE not looking at? We know they are looking at misty, we know they are (I would think) looking at ron, they may be looking at crystal. Who is left out? There has to be someone that is sliding by without being questioned. Just, who is it?

[SuzDuJour]

wait a second. We know Ron called Tommy...but the rumors are that Tommy was at the party where Haleigh overdosed and died, so he couldn't have checked the house. (Unless the party was right down the street).

So if he DID check, that means he wasn't at the party AND he checked the house and Misty was NOT there. So does that mean there wasn't a party?

If he didn't check the house and was at the party, why would he say he checked the house? He could have taken Ron's call on his cell phone and just told Ron he would check, but actually didn't (then why say he did)...OR he left the party, checked the house and said Misty wasn't there - which he would already know because he was at the party with Misty.

Where am I going wrong here?

Just sayin' (and pulling out my hair)

[deacon]

wait a second. We know Ron called Tommy...but the rumors are that Tommy was at the party where Haleigh overdosed and died, so he couldn't have checked the house. (Unless the party was right down the street).

So if he DID check, that means he wasn't at the party AND he checked the house and Misty was NOT there. So does that mean there wasn't a party?

If he didn't check the house and was at the party, why would he say he checked the house? He could have taken Ron's call on his cell phone and just told Ron he would check, but actually didn't (then why say he did)...OR he left the party, checked the house and said Misty wasn't there - which he would already know because he was at the party with Misty.

Where am I going wrong here?

Just sayin' (and pulling out my hair)

And just for argument, all of the above. Who knows with this group.

[lorettalockhorn]

wait a second. We know Ron called Tommy...but the rumors are that Tommy was at the party where Haleigh overdosed and died, so he couldn't have checked the house. (Unless the party was right down the street).

So if he DID check, that means he wasn't at the party AND he checked the house and Misty was NOT there. So does that mean there wasn't a party?

If he didn't check the house and was at the party, why would he say he checked the house? He could have taken Ron's call on his cell phone and just told Ron he would check, but actually didn't (then why say he did)...OR he left the party, checked the house and said Misty wasn't there - which he would already know because he was at the party with Misty.

Where am I going wrong here?

Just sayin' (and pulling out my hair)

Okay, I've probably forgotten that Tommy was at the party. What if Misty was at the party but then left (when Haleigh ODed) and that's when Tommy went to check on her? Maybe he has to put himself at the trailer because he knows that the cellphone pings are going to put him there.

Putnam Putz>>:shrug:

[SuzDuJour]

And just for argument, all of the above. Who knows with this group.

LOL Deac...

But seriously, if Tommy wasn't at the party (as the NayNay letter says), then there probably wasn't a party and something else happened to Haleigh (which would be totally MISTY).

[lorettalockhorn]

Alright, let's step back and look at this in a different light. Who is "flying under the radar?" Who is LE not looking at? We know they are looking at misty, we know they are (I would think) looking at ron, they may be looking at crystal. Who is left out? There has to be someone that is sliding by without being questioned. Just, who is it?

There seems to be any number of people in PC who are in Ron&Misty's crowd and are likely suspects, and I suppose might not be considered a stranger. (Maybe the whole thing hinges on the definition of "stranger". Stranger to Haleigh? Complete stranger to the family?)

Ron is a hothead was probably a user back then (he still looks stoned sometimes), I can't get away from the thought that Haleigh was taken for a debt or for revenge.

[ErrinSpelling]

LOL Deac...

But seriously, if Tommy wasn't at the party (as the NayNay letter says), then there probably wasn't a party and something else happened to Haleigh (which would be totally MISTY).

if it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck,it's misty.

it sounded like the lawyer said misty went to a notary & signed the papers, but that must have been a clip from last night.

[Bullwinkle]

http://mistycroslin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ronald-cummings-1.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3231119937_f82ef705fe.jpg

Has anyone else ever noticed that Ronald Cummings and Boris Badenov are never in the same place at the same time?

[ErrinSpelling]

There seems to be any number of people in PC who are in Ron&Misty's crowd and are likely suspects, and I suppose might not be considered a stranger. (Maybe the whole thing hinges on the definition of "stranger". Stranger to Haleigh? Complete stranger to the family?)

Ron is a hothead was probably a user back then (he still looks stoned sometimes), I can't get away from the thought that Haleigh was taken for a debt or for revenge.

speaking of hothead, rage-aholic, they just said donna was suprised misty had a bad temper & was arguing w/ ron... it takes a lot of nerve to argue w/ him, but nothing phases her.....she said oh no, he didn't call me a dumb b----......it just rolls right off the duck's back.

and now i will have my own rage. what the devil is wrong w/ mark klass...he is outrageous...tim told le what he was doing...they can't do anything, which is what my point was exactly,the other day....he's trying to find a missing person & klass wants tim in jail.:mad:

[ErrinSpelling]

http://mistycroslin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ronald-cummings-1.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3231119937_f82ef705fe.jpg

Has anyone else ever noticed that Ronald Cummings and Boris Badenov are never in the same place at the same time?

:D lol

[lorettalockhorn]

speaking of hothead, rage-aholic, they just said donna was suprised misty had a bad temper & was arguing w/ ron... it takes a lot of nerve to argue w/ him, but nothing phases her.....she said oh no, he didn't call me a dumb b----......it just rolls right off the duck's back.

and now i will have my own rage. what the devil is wrong w/ mark klass...he is outrageous...tim told le what he was doing...they can't do anything, which is what my point was exactly,the other day....he's trying to find a missing person & klass wants tim in jail.:mad:

Jail? You have got to be kidding?!?! For what? Stupidity? Heck, there'd be more people in jail than out if stupidity was illegal.

[SuzDuJour]

http://mistycroslin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ronald-cummings-1.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3231119937_f82ef705fe.jpg

Has anyone else ever noticed that Ronald Cummings and Boris Badenov are never in the same place at the same time?

Yes!! and I do know that when I see him swaggering down the sidewalk I always hum "Popeye the Sailor man"

[Amy]

You know, it is really strange to me that she did not have custody. I know she didn't have a job and ron was making an *honest* living but that would normally just lead to more child support. However, she lost custody. There is something in the closet we don't know yet. This, BTW would be the perfect time for her to attempt to get custody of Jr. but she isn't. Weird.

Probably waiting for the next pro-bono lawyer?

[SaraSidle]

hehehe And at least she didn't end up looking like Wednesday Addams like Misty did!

You so correct. I knew she reminded me of someone. good call

[lorettalockhorn]

http://mistycroslin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ronald-cummings-1.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3231119937_f82ef705fe.jpg

Has anyone else ever noticed that Ronald Cummings and Boris Badenov are never in the same place at the same time?

LMAO Must keel moose and squirrel. Er uh rat.

[Marian Paroo]

None of them qualify for parent of the year or anything. I just have to wonder why ron got custody to start with. He was what he is now back then and the judge still gave him custody. That is very unusual.


Bribery? Returning favors because Ron ratted someone out to the police?


http://mistycroslin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ronald-cummings-1.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3231119937_f82ef705fe.jpg

Has anyone else ever noticed that Ronald Cummings and Boris Badenov are never in the same place at the same time?

Misty aint no Natasha!!!

I loved that series as a kiddo. I was like five when I first watched and caught all the cold war references. We were a very political household.

[Nawny]

Mark Klass is still living his nightmare. Myheart goes out to him and I sort of understand his anger toward Tim MIller. Didn't Tim lose a child also?

[Amy]

Mark Klass is still living his nightmare. Myheart goes out to him and I sort of understand his anger toward Tim MIller. Didn't Tim lose a child also?

Yes. I think his daughter was 18 or so. And, there were problems about that, the idea of kids in their teens maybe being runaways, so the searches aren't as quick, or maybe as thorough @ the first? Kind of like the adult who goes missing, just wait, s/he might have walked off in a tiff and might come back,etc.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/3.html

The daughter was 16, named Laura. This starts out w/the story of Laura and her disappearance. It's worse than I tho't--it seems there wasn't ANY search for Tim Miller's 16 y/o daughter.

[lorettalockhorn]

Bribery? Returning favors because Ron ratted someone out to the police?




Misty aint no Natasha!!!

I loved that series as a kiddo. I was like five when I first watched and caught all the cold war references. We were a very political household.

We were raised on opera and I always thought the play on words/names with Boris Badenov and Boris Godunov, tsar and subject of the often cut and pasted opera was too cute!

True, Misty is no Natasha, but she must be Fatale at least where Ron is concerned. :rolleyes: Ron&Misty both seem to be No-Goodniks.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes. I think his daughter was 18 or so. And, there were problems about that, the idea of kids in their teens maybe being runaways, so the searches aren't as quick, or maybe as thorough @ the first? Kind of like the adult who goes missing, just wait, s/he might have walked off in a tiff and might come back,etc.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/3.html

The daughter was 16, named Laura. This starts out w/the story of Laura and her disappearance. It's worse than I tho't--it seems there wasn't ANY search for Tim Miller's 16 y/o daughter.

Truly heartbreaking story. Thank God Laura's death didn't completely/permanently break Tim; he's pretty amazing in my book.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lisa Croslin Now Jailed in Putnam County

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The mother of the woman who put Haleigh to bed before she disappeared is behind bars in Putnam County.

The sheriff's office arrested 40-year-old Lisa Carmen Croslin on two felonies and a misdemeanor Wednesday afternoon.

According to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office web site, Croslin faces charges of fraud utter false instrument, forgery of alter public record certificate, and larceny petit theft.

The arrest stems from warrants that led to her arrest in Nashville last month.

Croslin is the mother of Misty Croslin-Cummings, the teenaged stepmother of Haleigh Cummings.

The 5-year-old girl vanished on the night of February 9 at her home in Satsuma. Misty Croslin-Cummings said she put Haleigh to bed.

Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information to help investigators.

There is a $35,000 reward for Haleigh's safe return.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146706&catid=3#

[lorettalockhorn]

Case Summary Case Number DR09-1779
Case Type DR - DOMESTIC RELATIONS
Case Status ACTIVE
State Case Number 552009DR001779A000XX
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Agency CLK
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Jurisdiction CO
File Action 134
Date Filed 10/13/2009
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Custody
Judge Name JOHN ALEXANDER
Defense Atty.
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Prosecuting Atty. BEARDSLEY, BRANDON D.
Party Summary Person Name CUMMINGS, RONALD
Date of Birth
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Party Related To Case Attorney
CUMMINGS, RONALD
PRIMARY PLAINTIFF BEARDSLEY, BRANDON D.
3940 LEWIS SPEEDWAY STE 2103
ST AUGUSTINE, FL 32084
(904)824-5711

http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/uc_web_live/default.aspx

http://www.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/

[lorettalockhorn]

Exclusive: Haleigh Cummings Dad Probed by Child Welfare

The Bald Truth has learned that Putnam County child welfare officials launched a new investigation Tuesday into the safety of Haleigh Cummings’ baby brother, “Junior,” 3, after we reported exclusively that an eye witness claimed the missing child’s father, Ronald Cummings, brandished an assault rifle in front of his son and threatened to kill his wife, then himself, if he learned Misty Cummings had anything to do with his missing daughter’s disappearance.

“I got a call from a child welfare investigator Tuesday who asked me to fill out a sworn statement about what I told you I saw regarding Ron’s threat,” Texas Equusearch director Tim Miller told The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview Wednesday. “Of course, I will cooperate in their investigation. I’m worried about a child living with a father who is careless with his guns.”

With his 3 year old son, Junior, watching, Miller told The Bald Truth Cummings “made a statement that if he found out Misty had some involvement, he’d blow her teeth through the back of her head. Then, he put the (assault rifle) down on floor, butt first, and almost got on his knees, bent over, and put the barrel in his mouth, and says, ‘I’ll kill her, and then kill myself, and take a few others with me.’ ”

Sources close to the investigation tell me a local Bald Truth reader anonymously called the Putnam County abuse hotline to alert child welfare officials to our story; officials called Miller, verified the accuracy of our account, then opened a new investigation into Cummings’ fitness as a father.

At the request of (child welfare), the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department Tuesday dispatched a deputy to accompany the DCF investigator when she visited Cummings’ trailer, where he lived with Junior and Misty until their recent split.

Miller, as we reported, said that’s where he saw Ronald pull the assault rifle and two 32 round clips from a closet, then replace the weapon without locking the closet or a case.

Miller tells me after watching Ronald put the barrel in his mouth and threaten to blow himself and Misty away, if she was behind Haleigh gone missing, he began to fear for Junior AND Misty, and wanted to help get her out of town and keep her away from her husband, fearing if she was killed, “the case would die with her.”

Enter volunteer Donna Brock and Miller’s Uncercover Mama operation to use her as a double agent.

Cummings lawyer, Terry Shoemaker, told Nancy Grace producers that police had confiscated all Cummings guns long ago. In fact, sources close to the investigation tell me police did seize Cummings’ guns the day his then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, reported Haleigh missing in Feb.

“They did take them as a precaution, in case Haleigh’s body was found,” a source close to the case told me Wednesday, “so if she died of a gunshot wound, they could rule Ronald’s guns in or out as the source of any bullet.”

After his guns were taken, sources tell us Cummings bragged that he bought more guns. It was unclear whether any where found Tuesday during a DCF visit to his grandmother’s trailer, where he once shared a bedroom with Misty and Junior...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dad-probed-by-child-welfare/

[lorettalockhorn]

Exclusive: New Misty Cummings’ “Double Agent” Details!

As unlikely as it seems, both Misty Cummings, under suspicion as the last person to see Haleigh Cummings, and missing child advocate Mark Klaas, both blasted Texas Equusearch for an amateur undercover operation that used a volunteer to befriend Misty as a sort of “undercover mama” in an attempt to ferret out any information police believe the 17 year old babysitter turned stepmom may be hiding about the child’s disappearance.

What TE founder Tim Miller did was wrong, said Klaas, on HLN’s Nancy Grace Show Wednesday, and could threaten the case.

Not so, says Miller. In a statement issued by Texas Equusearch, the missing child advocate hailed volunteer Donna Brock as a hero of sorts, even though her role as a Satsuma double agent took a wrong turn on I-4 after she and Misty were pulled over by police, briefly handcuffed and released following an alleged road rage fiasco.

“Donna Brock did a tremendous job with Misty,” said Miller in a statement issued Wednesday by Texas Equusearch, “and has the support of Tim Miller and the Board of Directors of TES.”

While a driver claimed Brock and Misty had flipped her off and had brandished a gun, no weapon was found; no charges were filed and they were released.

The controversy sparked debate over the role of amateur sleuths like Brock and raised questions whether such agent provacteurs might damage any case police might build against Misty, who law enforcement says holds the key to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Miller tells me that Brock met several times with Putnam County detectives to debrief them on what she heard or learned from the weeks she played a role as Misty’s gal pal. They’ve been together, on and off, since they met in Orlando during Cummings visit to take the TE polygraph and other tests.

“It was Misty who warmed up to Donna and started calling her to ask her to take Misty to the mall and do other girl things,” Miller told me. “Donna called me and said, ‘What do I do,’ so I said, ‘Play along and see what you can find out.’

“Haleigh remains our number one consideration, and we have to do whatever we can to find out what happened to her. This was more important than searching the woods or water. We believed this just might get us a clue as to where we needed to search.”

To make sure his agent provacateur wasn’t later viewed as in any way tied to law enforcement, and anything she might learn dismissed should a criminal case ever be made against Misty, Miller tells me he didn’t relay to law enforcement where the pair were “every moment,” but investigators knew “we could locate Misty if they needed her.” He said Brock met regulary with law enforcment as a citizen-volunteer, and briefed them on what she learned talking to Ronald Cummings wife, hearing their fights on the phone, details about Misty’s heart-breaking childhood–and a dark side that has yet to emerge in public and could add to law enforcement’s behavioural profile of the mysterious stepmom.

“Misty has a furious temper,” says Miller, and “at times it scared Donna.” According to Miller, when provoked, Misty would explode in a rage Brock feared could turn violent fast...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15/exclusive-new-misty-cummings-double-agent-details/

[lorettalockhorn]

Celebration of a Thousand Points of Light

Tim Miller has been invited by former President George H.W. Bush to a Presidential Forum and Special Event celebrating the 20th Anniversary of a Thousand Points of Light, an award previously bestowed upon Mr. Miller. The Presidential Forum will be held at the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum at Texas A&M University in College Station, Texas on Friday, October 16, 2009.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/celebration-of-a-thousand-points-of-light/

[Marian Paroo]

We were raised on opera and I always thought the play on words/names with Boris Badenov and Boris Godunov, tsar and subject of the often cut and pasted opera was too cute!

True, Misty is no Natasha, but she must be Fatale at least where Ron is concerned. :rolleyes: Ron&Misty both seem to be No-Goodniks.

I didn't get the opera pun until many years later, but I did get the good enough / bad enough part of the pun.

I loved Edward Evert Horton narrating the "fractured fairytales."

[lorettalockhorn]

Post at the SKY's twitter claims LE is looking for Jeremy Reagan (Regan?):

http://twitter.com/THESKY973DOTCOM

[ErrinSpelling]

Jail? You have got to be kidding?!?! For what? Stupidity? Heck, there'd be more people in jail than out if stupidity was illegal.

yes.this case is so aggravatingly stupid.they let the guilty run around & want to put the good people in jail....mark said tim was outrageous , so i said he was...i feel sorry, but while i wastching last night ,i could not imagine how someone who knows what it's like day after day, to not know what happened to his child, want to stop tim....it has been 8 months..i've been hysterical since day 2,wanting to ring misty's neck, until she talks.

[ErrinSpelling]

Exclusive: Haleigh Cummings Dad Probed by Child Welfare

The Bald Truth has learned that Putnam County child welfare officials launched a new investigation Tuesday into the safety of Haleigh Cummings’ baby brother, “Junior,” 3, after we reported exclusively that an eye witness claimed the missing child’s father, Ronald Cummings, brandished an assault rifle in front of his son and threatened to kill his wife, then himself, if he learned Misty Cummings had anything to do with his missing daughter’s disappearance.

“I got a call from a child welfare investigator Tuesday who asked me to fill out a sworn statement about what I told you I saw regarding Ron’s threat,” Texas Equusearch director Tim Miller told The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview Wednesday. “Of course, I will cooperate in their investigation. I’m worried about a child living with a father who is careless with his guns.”

With his 3 year old son, Junior, watching, Miller told The Bald Truth Cummings “made a statement that if he found out Misty had some involvement, he’d blow her teeth through the back of her head. Then, he put the (assault rifle) down on floor, butt first, and almost got on his knees, bent over, and put the barrel in his mouth, and says, ‘I’ll kill her, and then kill myself, and take a few others with me.’ ”

Sources close to the investigation tell me a local Bald Truth reader anonymously called the Putnam County abuse hotline to alert child welfare officials to our story; officials called Miller, verified the accuracy of our account, then opened a new investigation into Cummings’ fitness as a father.

At the request of (child welfare), the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department Tuesday dispatched a deputy to accompany the DCF investigator when she visited Cummings’ trailer, where he lived with Junior and Misty until their recent split.

Miller, as we reported, said that’s where he saw Ronald pull the assault rifle and two 32 round clips from a closet, then replace the weapon without locking the closet or a case.

Miller tells me after watching Ronald put the barrel in his mouth and threaten to blow himself and Misty away, if she was behind Haleigh gone missing, he began to fear for Junior AND Misty, and wanted to help get her out of town and keep her away from her husband, fearing if she was killed, “the case would die with her.”

Enter volunteer Donna Brock and Miller’s Uncercover Mama operation to use her as a double agent.

Cummings lawyer, Terry Shoemaker, told Nancy Grace producers that police had confiscated all Cummings guns long ago. In fact, sources close to the investigation tell me police did seize Cummings’ guns the day his then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, reported Haleigh missing in Feb.

“They did take them as a precaution, in case Haleigh’s body was found,” a source close to the case told me Wednesday, “so if she died of a gunshot wound, they could rule Ronald’s guns in or out as the source of any bullet.”

After his guns were taken, sources tell us Cummings bragged that he bought more guns. It was unclear whether any where found Tuesday during a DCF visit to his grandmother’s trailer, where he once shared a bedroom with Misty and Junior...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dad-probed-by-child-welfare/

so they took his guns,in the beginning.. he brags he has more guns..that sounds like him...the ratgate officer said he is known to have guns...miller sees a gun,w/ jr. right there....dcf isn't going to do anything again,in the end are they?

[lorettalockhorn]

yes.this case is so aggravatingly stupid.they let the guilty run around & want to put the good people in jail....mark said tim was outrageous , so i said he was...i feel sorry, but while i wastching last night ,i could not imagine how someone who knows what it's like day after day, to not know what happened to his child, want to stop tim....it has been 8 months..i've been hysterical since day 2,wanting to ring misty's neck, until she talks.

Personally I think TM's actions were outrageous, but if LE knew what was up and didn't caution him, it's going to look more than ridic for them to arrest him. What I worry about is the liabilities that TES would have assumed if things had gone worse than they actually did. Just not a completely baked idea.

But for Mark to continue to bag on Tim is mystifying; his words are usually more carefully chosen, but he went overboard this time IMO. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

so they took his guns,in the beginning.. he brags he has more guns..that sounds like him...the ratgate officer said he is known to have guns...miller sees a gun,w/ jr. right there....dcf isn't going to do anything again,in the end are they?

For DCF to recommend a change is going to be tantamount to bucking the judge's custody order. They very well might not (want to) do that.

[lorettalockhorn]

A Statement From William Cobra Staubs About Recent Developments

There has been a lot of scuttlebutt about Cobra over the past couple of days, he asked me to publish an article explaining his position and exactly what is going on. To know Cobra is to love him, but he does have a bit of a habit of speaking in Cobra, I have done my best to translate, and any mistakes are entirely mine and unintentional – Simon

I do not want to take up any more radio time as there are more important news stories than mine. I do however want to address the E-mails that are asking me to make statements about Kim, Jim, and who the Lone Ranger is.

Tim Holmseth in my simple understanding of complex people, is as off the wall as the people that follow him on his site. I have had no dealings with Tim for some time, and do not plan on talking with him in the foreseeable future. In my opinion he has little honor and his integrity is now in question. To some he might even be viewed as an internet terrorist.

Many of you have likely heard the tapes put out by Holmseth. Yes I did say those things. I swore a lot. I was very angry with the system, I was very very angry with Kim, I was very angry with some online posters, and I was very angry with Tim. There does however come a day of reckoning, and this seems to be it. On one of the tapes I said that I thought Kim was the devil, and that she was trying to set up White Boy Greg. In retrospect, maybe she was just testing my integrity. Maybe she did not know what to say or do as she had me as a friend, and a client that was making her job as a lawyer unbearable. It obviously did not help that I was looking side ways at her client. Kim is, and was governed by the ethics of her profession and realized that she needed to distance herself from me in order to protect her client. I make no apology, I was merely reacting to what I had seen and perceived, if the truth is a lie, and the lie is the truth, then I was on the wrong case. I am sure that part of the frustration was caused because I was these to investigate on Haleigh’s behalf, I viewed the missing girl as my boss, not the family members. No one was above suspicion. The net result was that I managed to upset one on the best Civil Attorneys in Florida, I also took a couple of shots at the prosecutors investigators brother. Once again, I am not sure that it was the best move, but I wanted to do everything I could for Haleigh Cummings.

A lot of water has passed under the bridge, as a result Kim and I are patching up our long standing friendship.

The mission is to find Haleigh Cummings, it always has been...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122637

[ErrinSpelling]

Personally I think TM's actions were outrageous, but if LE knew what was up and didn't caution him, it's going to look more than ridic for them to arrest him. What I worry about is the liabilities that TES would have assumed if things had gone worse than they actually did. Just not a completely baked idea.

But for Mark to continue to bag on Tim is mystifying; his words are usually more carefully chosen, but he went overboard this time IMO. :shrug:

i don't see how any good could have come of it, but there is no law against taking an inconsistent person ,to universal, cocoa beach, for a haircut or to get their nails done, that anyone should go to jail for doing....art said LE knew & they were cool, with it.

it is mystifying.

[ErrinSpelling]

For DCF to recommend a change is going to be tantamount to bucking the judge's custody order. They very well might not (want to) do that.

they haven't in the past.

[lorettalockhorn]

i don't see how any good could have come of it, but there is no law against taking an inconsistent person ,to universal, cocoa beach, for a haircut or to get their nails done, that anyone should go to jail for doing....art said LE knew & they were cool, with it.

it is mystifying.

The issue for me is that TM did this using a TES member which may have put the liability onto TES had anything gone horribly wrong. Like for instance if anyone had been killed in the road rage incident. People are donating to TES based on Tim's reputation and track record which for the most part probably don't include amateur sleuthing.

Tim Miller IS Texasequusearch to me and probably to many others. It could very well be that he used his personal money for this outing and Donna Brock has a pristine background and there is no reason for alarm. On the other hand there are practicalities which have not been addressed by Miller and maybe will never be.

It was just a boneheaded idea that has the potential to hurt his entire group.

[lorettalockhorn]

they haven't in the past.

Never with this judge? Never in this case? Never in the State of Florida?

Ron may be teflon and I wonder if when this incident with the gun occurred and Tim Miller spoke to LE and then made his affadavit to DCF if someone gave Ron a heads up and maybe knowing that another investigation by the child welfare was on the horizon that was part of his reasoning behind the divorce.

Some judges have an awful lot of ego behind their decisions. Others rely on the good information provided to them by outside sources and recognize that sometimes change is in order. It's hard to know from this distance where this particular judge falls within those parameters. Heck, for all we know he thinks DCF is a waste of time and money and flips a coin to make decisions.

[ErrinSpelling]

The issue for me is that TM did this using a TES member which may have put the liability onto TES had anything gone horribly wrong. Like for instance if anyone had been killed in the road rage incident. People are donating to TES based on Tim's reputation and track record which for the most part probably don't include amateur sleuthing.

Tim Miller IS Texasequusearch to me and probably to many others. It could very well be that he used his personal money for this outing and Donna Brock has a pristine background and there is no reason for alarm. On the other hand there are practicalities which have not been addressed by Miller and maybe will never be.

It was just a boneheaded idea that has the potential to hurt his entire group.

they are saying tim used his own money.not sure where i read that...

i sent you art's post, from last night.

[ErrinSpelling]

Never with this judge? Never in this case? Never in the State of Florida?

Ron may be teflon and I wonder if when this incident with the gun occurred and Tim Miller spoke to LE and then made his affadavit to DCF if someone gave Ron a heads up and maybe knowing that another investigation by the child welfare was on the horizon that was part of his reasoning behind the divorce.

Some judges have an awful lot of ego behind their decisions. Others rely on the good information provided to them by outside sources and recognize that sometimes change is in order. It's hard to know from this distance where this particular judge falls within those parameters. Heck, for all we know he thinks DCF is a waste of time and money and flips a coin to make decisions.
that would be a good reason , to ron ,to get divorced.

maybe people should flip a coin , when voting for him....a 2 headed coin & call the one, not on the coin.

[ErrinSpelling]

they just have to be more confusing on NG.. 1st & i'm guessing that guy was a defense attorney, who answered NG about why would a mother not be on her child's side, said it was probably to try to get off....helloo, that was long before,there was even a charge & before jail....

then mark klass , who used to be against misty, said he would have a temper too, if he found out donna was a spy..... hellllloooo again,donna said misty had a temper with ron, not her.

[lorettalockhorn]

they are saying tim used his own money.not sure where i read that...

i sent you art's post, from last night.

Hey, I've had a hassle staying online lately ( :flamemad::cuss: ) and haven't read my hotmail emails, but I posted an article from Art earlier today. Miller says that the board has determined that the road rage victim's claim was frivolous, Donna Brock is in good standing with TES, and also Tim was quoted as saying that it was donated money that funded the trip and is a legitimate expense. I disagree because of the liabilities, but if Tim wants to stick by what Art Harris has quoted, then so be it.

[lorettalockhorn]

they just have to be more confusing on NG.. 1st & i'm guessing that guy was a defense attorney, who answered NG about why would a mother not be on her child's side, said it was probably to try to get off....helloo, that was long before,there was even a charge & before jail....

then mark klass , who used to be against misty, said he would have a temper too, if he found out donna was a spy..... hellllloooo again,donna said misty had a temper with ron, not her.

Well, it's getting harder and harder to know who to believe in this sorry tale, but according to what we've read, Misty quickly turned on Donna, and I guess made a scene beating on her door and screaming obscenities at her.

I take it all with a grain of salt and that includes reports from Art Harris. And I'm back to thinking the cops are idiots. All of this stuff makes for great daytime drama, but where is Haleigh and what is anyone doing to bring her home?

[SaraSidle]

Well, it's getting harder and harder to know who to believe in this sorry tale, but according to what we've read, Misty quickly turned on Donna, and I guess made a scene beating on her door and screaming obscenities at her.

I take it all with a grain of salt and that includes reports from Art Harris. And I'm back to thinking the cops are idiots. All of this stuff makes for great daytime drama, but where is Haleigh and what is anyone doing to bring her home?

Also remember if she takes the drugs I have heard mentioned she has a temper just on that let alone on her upbringing.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lisa Croslin out on bond. Wonder what all she told the po po:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

[lorettalockhorn]

Action Date Document Id Docket Text
10/15/2009 DISPOSED CASE
10/13/2009 9.0000 MOTION FOR ORDER OF REFERENCE
10/13/2009 8.0000 MOTION FOR ORDER WAIVING 20 DAY PERIOD
10/13/2009 7.0000 WIFE'S WAIVER OF SPPERANCE
10/13/2009 6.0000 NOTICE OF FILING REPORT OF SPECIAL EXAMINER
10/13/2009 5.0000 STANDING FAMILY LAW ORDER
10/13/2009 4.0000 MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON PLEADINGS
10/13/2009 3.0000 MARITAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
10/13/2009 PAYMENT OF $408.00 BY: CUMMINGS, RONALD ON 10/13/2009
10/13/2009 2.0000 CIVIL COVER SHEET
10/13/2009 1.0000 PETITION

http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/uc_web_live/default.aspx

http://www.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/

[ErrinSpelling]

Hey, I've had a hassle staying online lately ( :flamemad::cuss: ) and haven't read my hotmail emails, but I posted an article from Art earlier today. Miller says that the board has determined that the road rage victim's claim was frivolous, Donna Brock is in good standing with TES, and also Tim was quoted as saying that it was donated money that funded the trip and is a legitimate expense. I disagree because of the liabilities, but if Tim wants to stick by what Art Harris has quoted, then so be it.

i saw that. this was just a post, by art the poster,that said LE was cool w/ what tim did.
i did not know tim said that... i shouldn't have assumed posters who were against tim,but saying he used his own money , knew what they were talking about.

[ErrinSpelling]

Well, it's getting harder and harder to know who to believe in this sorry tale, but according to what we've read, Misty quickly turned on Donna, and I guess made a scene beating on her door and screaming obscenities at her.

I take it all with a grain of salt and that includes reports from Art Harris. And I'm back to thinking the cops are idiots. All of this stuff makes for great daytime drama, but where is Haleigh and what is anyone doing to bring her home?

sorry, did not read hear that either....i guess mark did.....well the main characters are all criminals.they think nothing of telling lies,which makes it harder for the press...
NG is the only one, who still says haleigh is missing from her bed...i noticed , all the articles have started saying, from her home.
"5 hours later SHE'S GONNNE"....still using ,her little shtick for caylee...why she says 5,i don't know though.....since she believes misty,it should be 7 hours.

[Nawny]

Truly heartbreaking story. Thank God Laura's death didn't completely/permanently break Tim; he's pretty amazing in my book.

I like Tim Miller too and didn't know about his loss. He's given his grief a voice. Seeing his story perhaps Mark Klass was a bit hard on him. :( I get why he invested in his desperation for answers.

[lorettalockhorn]

sorry, did not read hear that either....i guess mark did.....well the main characters are all criminals.they think nothing of telling lies,which makes it harder for the press...
NG is the only one, who still says haleigh is missing from her bed...i noticed , all the articles have started saying, from her home.
"5 hours later SHE'S GONNNE"....still using ,her little shtick for caylee...why she says 5,i don't know though.....since she believes misty,it should be 7 hours.

I'm online! (for prolly about 30 seconds), but I've been trying to post everything I can find here, and let people decide what/who they believe. If this stuff I'm referring to isn't in here, blame it on my router. :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

Group helped Misty - and the police

A volunteer in the search for Haleigh Cummings was a mother-like figure to Misty Cummings and recently accompanied the 17-year-old to New York to obtain information about the missing child.

EquuSearch founder Tim Miller said Donna Brock met Misty Cummings the day the teen reportedly took polygraph tests in Orlando, and Misty befriended the woman immediately.

Little did she know Brock was passing information along to investigators.

"This is all about Haleigh," Miller said. "It's all about one little child, and we will do anything in our power to get that child located."



Miller added he was concerned about Misty Cummings' well-being after witnessing fights between her and her former husband, Ronald Cummings.

"It was an opportunity to get Misty out of the house into a safe place," Miller said.

"She certainly wasn't set up, she reached out to Donna. It felt as though Misty may say something valuable and take this investigation forward."

Equusearch provided funding for Brock to take Cummings to get her hair and nails done, and other leisure activities, Miller said.

"Equusearch spent a lot of money, but how do you put a price tag on Haleigh? You can't do it," Miller said.

"I have a lot of compassion for Misty. She had a terrible, terrible life growing up. She lived in a house that was extremely dysfunctional, full of drugs and alcohol," Miller added. "If Misty was involved with Haleigh's case it's halfway understandable, but by no means justified."

On Wed-nesday, Cummings' mother, Lisa Croslin, was booked into the Putnam County Jail on two felony charges and a misdemeanor stemming from her arrest in Tennessee last month.

The 40-year-old was charged with fraud utter false instrument, forgery or alter of public record certificate and larceny.

Any information Brock learned was reported directly to investigators, Miller said.

Meanwhile, divorce papers for the Cummings' were signed by a judge Thursday, finalizing the couple's split, Brandon Beardsley, attorney for Ronald Cummings, said.

An Amber Alert for Haleigh was issued Feb. 10 after she was reported missing by Misty Cummings at 3:27 a.m.

A massive search ensued, involving helicopters, boats, canines and horseback units. No sign of the child was found.

Misty Cummings previously said she put Haleigh to bed about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9 and went to sleep herself two hours later. She said the child was gone when she awoke the next day at 3 a.m. to use the restroom.

Investigators believe that Haleigh was abducted.

Meanwhile, reports of people spotting the missing 6-year-old continue to come forward, but all have been unfounded.

"There have been sightings since the beginning of the case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said. "She's been spotted all over the country and Canada. She's been spotted everywhere."

The sheriff's office has now received more than 5,000 tips.

To report any information on Haleigh's whereabouts, call 329-0808.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/16/news/news01.txt

[lorettalockhorn]

Exclusive: Texas Equusearch Defends Misty Cummings “Double Agent,” Fires Back!

As unlikely as it seems, fellow missing child advocate Mark Klaas has blasted Texas Equusearch founder Tim Miller for an amateur undercover operation that used a TES volunteer to befriend Misty Cummings, playing her “undercover mama” in an attempt to ferret out new information that might be helpful to police, who believe the 17 year old babysitter turned stepmom may be hiding more than she’s revealed about the missing child.

Tim Miller “should be in jail” for what he did, declared Klaas on CNN HLN’s The Nancy Grace Show Wednesday night. Klaas said such a sting operation could threaten any case police might build against Misty should she ever be charged.

But an outraged Miller fired back Thursday. “F—Mark Klaas!” said Miller, in an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth. “Yesterday Texas Equusearch found our 102nd victim. Unfortunately, he’d drowned, but we used our sonar and equipment and brought closure to another family. How many missing people has Mark Klaas found? All he’s done is live off his daughter’s name.”

Miller said he was shocked Klaas would question his status with police, and the high regard LE say they have for TES and its help in the Cummings case. It was Miller who put together an explosive battery of tests, including a polygraph he says Misty flunked, that many credit with jump-starting public interest in the case. Miller shared the results with investigators.

“I challenge Mark Klaas to walk into the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department with me and see if I get arrested,” he told me Thursday, offering to fly Klaas to Florida next week when he plans to return to Satsuma. “If I had enough time to read, let alone answer, all the criticism against me, nothing would get done in my office. So, for now, I’m loading up my boat and sonar equipment, to go search for another fisherman who drowned, and help another family. I invite Mark Klaas to join us.”

Both Klaas and Miller have lost daughters to kidnappers; the remains of Miller’s 16 year old daughter, Laura, were found in a field 17 months after he says he asked law enforcement to search the area and they ignored him. No killer was ever caught, but Miller has channeled his pain, grief and guilt into finding others’ lost loved ones.

“At least I got to bury my daughter,” he says, “and that’s something so many victims’ families don’t get to do. If I can help one family avoid what I went through, Laura will not have died in vain.”

Both men have received the Improvement for Justice award, accompanied by a $10,000 check for their non profit organizations, with Klaas winning it last year. “I’d won it the year before,” says Miller, “and they asked me to nominate someone for the award the next year, so I asked them to give it to Mark Klaas.”

In a statement issued by Texas Equusearch, Miller hailed volunteer Donna Brock as a hero of sorts, even though her role as a Satsuma double agent backfired on Florida’s Interstate 4 after she and Misty were pulled over by police, briefly handcuffed and released following an alleged road rage fiasco.

“Donna Brock did a tremendous job with Misty,” said Miller in a statement issued Wednesday by Texas Equusearch, “and has the support of Tim Miller and the Board of Directors of TES.”

While a driver claimed Brock and Misty had flipped her off and had brandished a gun, no weapon was found; no charges were filed and they were released.

The controversy sparked furious debate over the role of amateur sleuths like Brock and raised questions whether such agent provacteurs might damage any case police might build against Misty, who law enforcement says holds the key to finding out what happened to Haleigh.

Miller tells me that Brock met several times with Putnam County detectives to debrief them on what she heard or learned during her weeks playing a role as Misty’s gal pal. She’s been with Misty, on and off, since meeting her in Orlando during Cummings visit to take the TES polygraph and other tests.

“It was Misty who warmed up to Donna and started calling her to ask her to take Misty to the mall and do other girl things,” Miller told me. “Donna called me and said, ‘What do I do,’ so I said, ‘Play along and see what you can find out.’

“Haleigh remains our number one consideration, and we have to do whatever we can to find out what happened to her,” said Miller. “This was more important than searching the woods or water. We believed this just might get us a clue as to where we needed to search.”

To make sure his spy wasn’t later viewed as in any way tied to law enforcement, and anything she might learn dismissed should a criminal case ever be made against Misty, Miller tells me he didn’t relay to law enforcement where the pair were “every moment,” but investigators knew “we could locate Misty if they needed her.”

He said Brock met regularly with law enforcement as a citizen-volunteer, and briefed them on what she learned talking to Ronald Cummings’ wife, witnessing their fights on the phone, learning details about Misty’s heart-breaking childhood–and a dark side that has yet to emerge in public and could add to law enforcement’s behavioural profile of the stepmom.

“Misty has a furious temper,” says Miller, and “at times it scared Donna.”

According to Miller, when provoked, Misty would explode in a rage he said Brock feared could turn violent fast. After Ronald texted her while Misty was on a trip to New York to appear on the CBS Early Show, that Brock was spying on her, not acting as just a friend, he says Misty pounded on Brock’s hotel door in New York, cursed her and called her a “*****.”

Miller says he was told that Brock had provided “useful” information to law enforcement. “I told her, ‘Don’t tell me details so I don’t let anything out that might hurt the case.’”

Sources close to the case confirm Brock briefed investigators several times and once accompanied Misty when she was questioned by detectives.

I’m told LE has 30 hours of Misty on tape, and has taken her on quite an emotional roller coaster ride in the interrogation room, recently laying out consequences of withholding what she may know–possible life behind bars if they ever make a criminal case against her in connection with Haleigh’s disappearance.

Misty maintains her innocence, saying she was sleeping and woke up to find Haleigh gone. Her frustrated lawyer, Robert Fields, sent me a text message Friday saying he was resigning as her attorney, after she repeatedly ignored his advice, including not to go on the CBS talk show.

While some believe her pending divorce from Ronald Cummings means she might be more vulnerable, less controlled and open to cooperating further, skeptics close to the case believe the split may be a calculated move to hide the couple’s true motives and exploit media opportunities for profit...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15/exclusive-new-misty-cummings-double-agent-details/

[One2Snoop]

Report: Haleigh Cummings' dad finalizes divorce to Misty

4:01 p.m. EDT, October 16, 2009

Misty Croslin and Ronald Cummings, father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings, are divorced, a Web site is reporting.

MyFoxOrlando.com says records in St. Johns County court show the marriage between the two is over and that they waived a 20-day waiting period to dissolve their 7-month marriage.

They married about a month after Haleigh vanished from their trailer in Putnam County.

Then girlfriend Misty was the last person to see Haleigh, then 5.

The child was abducted, officials say, but no suspects have been named.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-misty-divorced-101609,0,1968246.story

[BeastofBears]

The issue for me is that TM did this using a TES member which may have put the liability onto TES had anything gone horribly wrong. Like for instance if anyone had been killed in the road rage incident. People are donating to TES based on Tim's reputation and track record which for the most part probably don't include amateur sleuthing.

Tim Miller IS Texasequusearch to me and probably to many others. It could very well be that he used his personal money for this outing and Donna Brock has a pristine background and there is no reason for alarm. On the other hand there are practicalities which have not been addressed by Miller and maybe will never be.

It was just a boneheaded idea that has the potential to hurt his entire group.

What I don't get is...if I personally witnessed a person, in front of their 3 year old, with a rifle in hand, threaten a murder/suicide and mass killing, I would almost instantly notify police (once I was out of range). TM did not? He tells the media long after the fact??? What if the "news" of her involvement had broken early? What if the whole clan was taken out?

I mean, come on TM, either your failure to report was irresponsible, or I question whether it happened. :no: I think he really needs to step away from this. His personal concern and efforts for Haleigh are a threat to TES. imo, moo.

[Woostock]

We have come full circle in this case. If it's true that TM witnessed Ron with a rifle not locked up and Jr around and he didn't report it immediately, shame on him. I have called the police for less than that and have gone to crt to remove a child for less than that. Imagine if Ron had followed thru and done what he said he would do and TM knew it was a possiblity and did nothing----it would haunt him for the rest of his life. I have never had LE or a judge tell me I was out of line reporting something if I thought a child could possibly be in danger.
I am really taken aback regarding this news......

[deacon]

We have come full circle in this case. If it's true that TM witnessed Ron with a rifle not locked up and Jr around and he didn't report it immediately, shame on him. I have called the police for less than that and have gone to crt to remove a child for less than that. Imagine if Ron had followed thru and done what he said he would do and TM knew it was a possiblity and did nothing----it would haunt him for the rest of his life. I have never had LE or a judge tell me I was out of line reporting something if I thought a child could possibly be in danger.
I am really taken aback regarding this news......

Specially if guns had been taken from him once before. CPS should have a field day with this but you want to make a bet they don't?

[LadyFisher]

Specially if guns had been taken from him once before. CPS should have a field day with this but you want to make a bet they don't?
Looks like they might be if AH is to be believed....
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dad-probed-by-child- Exclusive: Haleigh Cummings Dad Probed by Child Welfare

[SaraSidle]

Looks like they might be if AH is to be believed....
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/15/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dad-probed-by-child- Exclusive: Haleigh Cummings Dad Probed by Child Welfare


I agree with or without AH that child welfare will probably get involved again
with just the media alone not to mention the guns. IMO

Nice to see you posting LadyFisher. sara:seeya:

[LadyFisher]

I agree with or without AH that child welfare will probably get involved again
with just the media alone not to mention the guns. IMO

Nice to see you posting LadyFisher. sara:seeya:Thank you, Sara.....good to see you again....:rose:

[Eagle1]

I think if Ron had a new job we would have heard about it by now! I mean, poor guy can't do anything without people staring at him and all. You'd think the judge who awarded him custody would want to know all about his work and insurance and gun possession and storage arrangements.

Assuming that Maury paid for Ron's airfare and accommodations and that CBS paid for Misty's. I read somewhere that Misty didn't fly first class but don't remember where.

I just wonder where their living is coming from. Hadn't even heard that Ron flew somewhere too. Guess I'll have to watch NG's yelling. I must have blinked. :seeya:

[Amy]

I just wonder where their living is coming from. Hadn't even heard that Ron flew somewhere too. Guess I'll have to watch NG's yelling. I must have blinked. :seeya:

Maybe he found the same way to get disability like the Anthony's reported to have done. Don't know what disability any of them could qualify--not something physical, I'm thinking. And, the only psychological thing I can think of is that a family member is missing (Haleigh) or murdered (Caylee.) But, it doesn't seem that the rest of the people in this country who have a child or grandchild missing or murdered gets disability for that, so surely that couldn't be the basis for their (Anthony's) disability.

[LadyFisher]

I just wonder where their living is coming from. Hadn't even heard that Ron flew somewhere too. Guess I'll have to watch NG's yelling. I must have blinked. :seeya: He flew along with his mother last week to tape an episode on the Maury show that will air 10/22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIPMQNghtc&feature=related Here's a preview of the program... http://www.mauryshow.com/vid_player.php?cat=0&cid=1167426

[SaraSidle]

He flew along with his mother last week to tape an episode on the Maury show that will air 10/22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIPMQNghtc&feature=related Here's a preview of the program... http://www.mauryshow.com/vid_player.php?cat=0&cid=1167426

I wonder if he is home yet. I expect some possible fireworks when they are in the same place. IMO

[LadyFisher]

I wonder if he is home yet. I expect some possible fireworks when they are in the same place. IMO Surely he is.....he filmed that episode for Maury last week...gotta say goodnight....arrrgh...wish I didn't have to get up so early as I do the next three days.....see ya soon!:)

[SaraSidle]

Surely he is.....he filmed that episode for Maury last week...gotta say goodnight....arrrgh...wish I didn't have to get up so early as I do the next three days.....see ya soon!:)

Have a good sleep. I am going to eat dinner. :beer:

[Marian Paroo]

I just wonder where their living is coming from. Hadn't even heard that Ron flew somewhere too. Guess I'll have to watch NG's yelling. I must have blinked. :seeya:

Drug sales?

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings: Maury Povich looks at her story Thursday

The story of Haleigh Cummings, the Florida girl who vanished, will receive national attention this week.

Maury Povich explores the issue of missing children, and several families took part in the episode that will air at 1 p.m. Thursday on WKCF-Channel 18.

Ronald Cummings and his mother, Teresa Neves, taped the episode of "Maury" on Oct. 8 in Stamford, Conn.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/haleigh-cummings-maury-povich-looks-at-story-thursday.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Read Ronald and Misty Cummings' Marital Settlement Agreement

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d17-Read-Ronald-and-Misty-Cummings-Marital-Settlement-Agreement

There's actually a reconciliation clause included. Hmmm Makes you wonder, don't it? Like the whole thing is BS.

[lorettalockhorn]

...Misty Croslin and Ronald Cummings apparently are now divorced. According to Fox News, the divorce was finalized a mere two days after it was filed. That stretches my imagination, but if Fox says so…..

On HLN’s Nancy Grace show (which alas has become the news version of the WWE) guest Mark Klass made some less than flattering comments about Tim Miller and his Equusearch organization.

Lisa, mother of Haleigh Cumming’s stepmom Misty (yes I know this gets complicated) is back in Putnam County, after being extradited from Tennessee.

Did Ronald Cummings threaten Misty Croslin with a loaded shotgun? Did he jam the gun in his own mouth? Did Ronald Jr. witness this? Did he or Misty admit this to Tim Miller?

What is Donna Brock’s real involvement? What about the ‘road rage’ story? Was that a set up? I for one think that there are some very interesting connections between the people involved. It certainly makes me wonder if a certain journalist might have set this up as a way to clear a corporate credit card debt for some plastic surgery?

What is the story between Cobra and Kim?

Was an Emmy winning journalist paid to cover the case by a private party? While there is nothing illegal about this, the word ‘ETHICS’ screams at you...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122645

Link to blog talk:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/10/18/Haleigh-Cummings-Update#

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony- BNN Radio Wrap Up Oct 18

http://www.bloggernews.net/122652

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Mark Klass made some less than flattering comments about Tim Miller and his Equusearch organization.

>>Did Ronald Cummings threaten Misty Croslin with a loaded shotgun? Did he jam the gun in his own mouth? Did Ronald Jr. witness this? Did he or Misty admit this to Tim Miller?

Okay, so Simon rags on MK for disparaging TM. Then later he wonders about the shotgun incident and if anyone admitted this to him, but I would have sworn that I read at BNN and several other places that Tim witnessed the incident with his own eyes. So is Simon himself doubting Tim's word?

It's getting hard as heck to figure out who's who and who's a frienemy in this business.

[lorettalockhorn]

Bounty Hunting 101 – Piercing The Veil

http://www.bloggernews.net/122650

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings mystery feeds online obsession

Local stories like Haleigh's become national fixations when observers with opinions take rants to the Web

The disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings eight months ago occurred about the time Ellen Johnson got Internet access at home in east Texas.

"I didn't even have a computer in my house until just before this," she said.

Now, the 46-year-old petroleum engineer has a Twitter account called haleighnewz dedicated to the case and at summer's end, was in Putnam County to help with a school supply drive for Haleigh's classmates. Johnson met Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and grandmother Marie Griffis there. She spends hours sharing her thoughts online and probing for information about the ongoing investigation.

It is as if the Internet has removed a wall.

Johnson is not alone. In the eight months since the kindergartner disappeared from the Satsuma mobile home where she was living with a younger brother, their father and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, Haleigh has touched legions of hearts and spawned international attention in an online community.

Johnson says her attraction to the case is not something she understands completely. She had never posted on an online forum but is now immersed in Haleigh's story.

"You are interacting with the people themselves," she said. "There is not that distance between them and you."

Johnson said she is not married and has no children but was struck by the plight of a mother without her child.

"On some level I felt compassion for them," she said.

Steph Watts, a broadcast producer and journalist who has worked for Court TV, CNN and Fox and followed crime and justice stories, said there is a danger in becoming too close to a case. "We feel like we have permission and a right to be in their lives and we don't," he said.

Watts has a blog, Watts Up With This??? at stephww.wordpress.com that follows the Haleigh story.

"What the Internet has done is taken those local stories and made them national stories," he said.

Watts said he began writing about Haleigh in August.

"I think people are feeling they can become part of the story by weighing in," he said.

What has happened is not necessarily new, he said, and reactions from online observers are equivalent to earlier generations yelling opinions at the television.

"This is like a high-speed letter to the editor," he said.

Kathy Schmidt, 42, a mother of three in Madison, Wis., calls the case a "scattered puzzle."

Schmidt, who has a Twitter account, camille_2010, is scheduled to launch the Justice 4 Haleigh blog today with a friend she met online. It will be at justice4haleigh.wordpress.com.

Passion ebbs and flows in the forums, she said.

"Nobody is really in charge of anything," she said. "They just get a following."

Like Johnson, Schmidt said she had never been compelled by a case before Haleigh's.

"She didn't get treated right and she didn't deserve this," Schmidt said of the still-missing youngster.

She has an answer for her children, aged 10 to 14, when they ask her why she is so absorbed by a girl so far away that she never knew.

"I don't really see anybody fighting for Haleigh on either side," she tells them. "If it was you, I'd want someone fighting for you. Haleigh didn't just walk out of that trailer for the rest of her life."

It is as if these people can reach through their computer screens to ease the pain of Haleigh's family or nudge a detective's shoulder to prod them forward.

They e-mail the cops and politicians when investigations seem to sputter and urge state child safety workers to check the welfare of Haleigh's younger brother, said Chantell Wofter, 44, of Southern Ohio. She created her crwofter1 Twitter account because of the case.

"I feel close to the investigation," she said, one time even calling the FBI. "If there is a search or something is going on, I hear about it first."

Since Feb. 10, detectives and analysts have tried to crack the mysterious disappearance. They remain unconvinced that Croslin, who became Haleigh's stepmother after marrying 25-year-old Ronald Cummings in March, is telling all she knows.

But while searches, the Cummings' already dissolved marriage, standoffs by both Haleigh's parents and unrelated arrests of family members and others are strong fodder, they are not all that drives the story, said Art Harris, whose blog The Bald Truth at artharris.com gives her prominent coverage.

"There is something about Haleigh's picture," he said of the girl whose often-used image shows her with a bright smile and a pink bow in her hair.

"She is so winning," he said. "Just by looking at the pictures regardless of how you feel about her parents, she is an innocent."

Harris' posts are often biting and most likely focus on Ronald or Misty Cummings. Harris describes his coverage as "calling it the way you see it." He is regularly interviewed by cable television's Nancy Grace.

"My challenge is how do you get behind the motives and the reasons behind it," he said.

Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said bloggers Harris and Watts check information and have not caused heartburn for investigators.

"The only thing that is really discouraging is those bloggers who have bad information," he said.

Some hide behind online anonymity, he said.

"We don't know who they are. People take what these people say as gospel."

The Internet can offer a measure of secrecy but is still within the reach of the law, said Rick Karcher, a torts law professor at Florida Coastal School of Law.

Opinions are not illegal but the First Amendment does not protect against false, defamatory statements, he said.

"It's from the perspective of the reader," he said. "Would they think it is true?"

While the case has gripped a divided online following that casts public accusations about such troubled families, to Haleigh's relatives, much of the attention is a bombardment that puts them on the defensive.

"It just consumes too much of your time to continue to sit and try to keep up with who is saying what," said Griffis, who lives in Baker County. "I think they're irrelevant. Half of their information isn't true."

Now, she said, she limits her involvement to posting Scripture. Those who think they have a lead in the case need to contact detectives, she said.

"If it is someone I've become familiar with, I'll answer them, but nine out of 10 times I don't," she said.

Ronald Cummings' grandmother, Annette Sykes, lives in southern Putnam County and saihttp://twitter.com/haleighnewzd her family has found support but also suffers sharply from the commentary.

"There's not much you can do," she said. "They are going to believe what they want to believe or say what they want to say."

http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2009-10-20/story/haleigh_cummings_mystery_feeds_online_obsession

Link to HaleighNewz:

http://twitter.com/haleighnewz

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty Cummings Robbed At Apartment Complex

PALATKA, FL -- The woman who put Haleigh Cummings to bed the night she disappeared was robbed Monday evening while at an apartment complex.

Misty Cummings, who is recently divorced from Haleigh's father, was with two friends Monday evening at the Ragsdale Apartments in the parking lot. One friend got out of the car to talk to someone and when she returned, "two or three black males jumped on Cummings taking her purse and pulling her out of the vehicle," the report said.

Cummings managed to get back into the car and the driver took off. The third woman, however, chased after the men. Cummings was taken to Putnam County Medical Center after complaining of minor injuries. Police found a purse strap and a "crushed pill bottle with unknown pills inside" at the scene.

One of the women in the car told police after the incident that she and Cummings had gone to the apartment complex to buy drugs. Police were called to another scene while interviewing the women and no one was arrested.

Haleigh Cummings, 6, disappeared from her home in Satsuma more than six months ago. CLICK HERE for complete coverage.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146957&catid=3#

[ErrinSpelling]

Misty Cummings Robbed At Apartment Complex

PALATKA, FL -- The woman who put Haleigh Cummings to bed the night she disappeared was robbed Monday evening while at an apartment complex.

Misty Cummings, who is recently divorced from Haleigh's father, was with two friends Monday evening at the Ragsdale Apartments in the parking lot. One friend got out of the car to talk to someone and when she returned, "two or three black males jumped on Cummings taking her purse and pulling her out of the vehicle," the report said.

Cummings managed to get back into the car and the driver took off. The third woman, however, chased after the men. Cummings was taken to Putnam County Medical Center after complaining of minor injuries. Police found a purse strap and a "crushed pill bottle with unknown pills inside" at the scene.

One of the women in the car told police after the incident that she and Cummings had gone to the apartment complex to buy drugs. Police were called to another scene while interviewing the women and no one was arrested.

Haleigh Cummings, 6, disappeared from her home in Satsuma more than six months ago. CLICK HERE for complete coverage.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146957&catid=3#

:seeya:
:eek: are they kidding? no one was arrested?
only a sociopath who isn't arrested , for the disappearance of a child, would have the nerve to go buy drugs, when every eye in the town is on her, but that's jmo.
i would like to start a charity to buy another jail for that town, if that's the problem.

[SaraSidle]

:seeya:
:eek: are they kidding? no one was arrested?
only a sociopath who isn't arrested , for the disappearance of a child, would have the nerve to go buy drugs, when every eye in the town is on her, but that's jmo.
i would like to start a charity to buy another jail for that town, if that's the problem.

Nothing about this surprises me. I guess that is a pretty sad statement.
I will just say I am glad I am not in the neighborhood. IMO

[SuzDuJour]

They need to arrest her, put in holding until she needs a fix, then trade her a fix for information. Of course that's just my opinion and probably not supported by ACLU...or anyone else.

[lorettalockhorn]

It's all hard to believe; Ron needs to be making sure that Misty doesn't have to buy street drugs. Ron and White Boy Greg need to put Misty under their protection. LE needs to be keeping a close eye on Misty. And someone at the PCSO has some splainin to do. What call occurred during this report that warranted the po po to run off and leave a crime scene to possibly be contaminated? Maybe someone was listening to the scanner and can answer that question, because it's a biggie.

[LadyFisher]

Nothing about this surprises me. I guess that is a pretty sad statement.
I will just say I am glad I am not in the neighborhood. IMOLOL......it just gets stranger and stranger......I knew Misty couldn't go without her drugs too long.....and quite honestly I doubt that Ronald can......I think maybe it has sunk into him that his lifestyle might have led to his daughter's disappearance.....he's had three women now that were into drugs...nobody can tell me that he was clean when all this went down imho

[SaraSidle]

LOL......it just gets stranger and stranger......I knew Misty couldn't go without her drugs too long.....and quite honestly I doubt that Ronald can......I think maybe it has sunk into him that his lifestyle might have led to his daughter's disappearance.....he's had three women now that were into drugs...nobody can tell me that he was clean when all this went down imho

Exactly LadyFisher which is why I think a dam is going to burst somewhere around there. the drug scene will make it much more difficult to keep things hidden when everyone is high. I cannot even imagine the tension down there now. sara IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty Cummings reportedly robbed

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Misty Cummings and two associates were reportedly robbed Monday night.

Palatka Police say they responded to a report of three women being robbed in the Ragsdale Apartment Complex located on Moody Road in Palatka. Police say one of the victims was identified as Misty Cummings, age 17.

According to one of the victims, Brandy Steedley, age 18, they had driven to the complex so that one of the girls in the car could make contact with a friend, reports say. As the girl was getting back to the vehicle, 2 or 3 unidentified black male suspects approached the vehicle, reports say. The men reportedly grabbed Misty Cummings and stole her purse.

Reports say Cummings was able to get back in the vehicle and she and one other girl, Steedley drove off in the vehicle. The third girl, identified as Melinda Santmyer, age 22 ran off on foot, reports say.

Officers located and interviewed Melinda Santmyer at an apartment in the complex. She told officers that they came to apartment complex attempting to buy drugs, reports say. She stated that she got out of the car to look for an unidentified man they gave money to for drugs, reports say. As she was going back to the vehicle the unidentified suspects came up to them and stole Cummings purse and her purse, reports say.

Cummings reportedly received minor injuries.

No suspects have been identified in the case. If anyone has information please contact the Palatka Police Department at 329-0115.

The marriage between Misty and Ronald Cummings, father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings , is officially over. St. Johns County court documents show Misty and Ronald are officially divorced just 2 days after Ronald filed the papers. Both waived the 20 day waiting period. They got married just over 7 months ago, about a month after Haleigh vanished. Putnam County Sheriff’s Office investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped on February 10, 2009 and the last person to see 5-year-old Haleigh was Misty, who placed the 911 call alerting police to Haliegh's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/102009_Misty_Cummings_reportedly_robbed

[ErrinSpelling]

Nothing about this surprises me. I guess that is a pretty sad statement.
I will just say I am glad I am not in the neighborhood. IMO

yeah.why was i suprised.lol.. i shouldn't have been.

glad we aren't there either.

[ErrinSpelling]

It's all hard to believe; Ron needs to be making sure that Misty doesn't have to buy street drugs. Ron and White Boy Greg need to put Misty under their protection. LE needs to be keeping a close eye on Misty. And someone at the PCSO has some splainin to do. What call occurred during this report that warranted the po po to run off and leave a crime scene to possibly be contaminated? Maybe someone was listening to the scanner and can answer that question, because it's a biggie.

i forgot , but cobra was protecting WBG,from ron, who was trying to kill him.i actually believe that one.
cobra said there was a minister, who always listened to the scanner..that was back during the amber incident, but i bet if someone listens all the time, they didn't stop.

[SaraSidle]

Also find it wierd that the one girl told LE that she came to buy drugs.
wonder if it was a setup by LE? tomorrow could be interesting.

[ErrinSpelling]

Misty Cummings reportedly robbed

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Misty Cummings and two associates were reportedly robbed Monday night.

Palatka Police say they responded to a report of three women being robbed in the Ragsdale Apartment Complex located on Moody Road in Palatka. Police say one of the victims was identified as Misty Cummings, age 17.

According to one of the victims, Brandy Steedley, age 18, they had driven to the complex so that one of the girls in the car could make contact with a friend, reports say. As the girl was getting back to the vehicle, 2 or 3 unidentified black male suspects approached the vehicle, reports say. The men reportedly grabbed Misty Cummings and stole her purse.

Reports say Cummings was able to get back in the vehicle and she and one other girl, Steedley drove off in the vehicle. The third girl, identified as Melinda Santmyer, age 22 ran off on foot, reports say.

Officers located and interviewed Melinda Santmyer at an apartment in the complex. She told officers that they came to apartment complex attempting to buy drugs, reports say. She stated that she got out of the car to look for an unidentified man they gave money to for drugs, reports say. As she was going back to the vehicle the unidentified suspects came up to them and stole Cummings purse and her purse, reports say.

Cummings reportedly received minor injuries.

No suspects have been identified in the case. If anyone has information please contact the Palatka Police Department at 329-0115.

The marriage between Misty and Ronald Cummings, father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings , is officially over. St. Johns County court documents show Misty and Ronald are officially divorced just 2 days after Ronald filed the papers. Both waived the 20 day waiting period. They got married just over 7 months ago, about a month after Haleigh vanished. Putnam County Sheriff’s Office investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped on February 10, 2009 and the last person to see 5-year-old Haleigh was Misty, who placed the 911 call alerting police to Haliegh's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/102009_Misty_Cummings_reportedly_robbed

no editors: they "stole cummings purse and her purse".

associates-that just kills me.lol.. i love when ron or misty has associates.

i think it was friday,on NG, i couldn't believe ron's attorney did not know how to use come & came in a sentence,twice...the poor guy has probably been around his clients ,too long...
i have almost forgotten.

[ErrinSpelling]

Also find it wierd that the one girl told LE that she came to buy drugs.
wonder if it was a setup by LE? tomorrow could be interesting.

it is wierd,funny, honest, stupid....

maybe she was reporting it to LE, so her insurance co. would pay..... maybe misty pretended to be hurt to get free drugs, at the hospital...
i'm just being silly.

[SaraSidle]

no editors: they "stole cummings purse and her purse".

associates-that just kills me.lol.. i love when ron or misty has associates.

i think it was friday,on NG, i couldn't believe ron's attorney did not know how to use come & came in a sentence,twice...the poor guy has probably been around his clients ,too long...
i have almost forgotten.

LOL I missed that. tv was broke. that is too funny.
associates kind of make it sound like mafia related

[SaraSidle]

it is wierd,funny, honest, stupid....

maybe she was reporting it to LE, so her insurance co. would pay..... maybe misty pretended to be hurt to get free drugs, at the hospital...
i'm just being silly.

I believe normal people may need to be silly here since there is nothing normal. :seeya:

[ErrinSpelling]

LOL I missed that. tv was broke. that is too funny.
associates kind of make it sound like mafia related

oh no.i hate, that.

it does sound like mafia or physicians.

[ErrinSpelling]

I believe normal people may need to be silly here since there is nothing normal. :seeya:
:) thank-you, for calling me normal!

(waving) they take my waving guy away,every few minutes.

[Amy]

Read Ronald and Misty Cummings' Marital Settlement Agreement

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d17-Read-Ronald-and-Misty-Cummings-Marital-Settlement-Agreement

There's actually a reconciliation clause included. Hmmm Makes you wonder, don't it? Like the whole thing is BS.

I don't think it is even a divorce. Sounds more like a separation of sorts. Way down near the end, there is a paragraph about dissolutioning the marriage.

I see their property consisted of 3 vehicles. Good thing she gave them all to Ron, seeing as how I don't think she has ever gotten her driver's license yet. In fact, that is probably why, in most states you can't register a car in your name if you don't have a license. And, Ron is responsible for all payments, insurance, etc etc etc. Well, it's not like she ever was--never had a job that I can tell. Of course, he doesn't seem to have one now--wonder how he will afford 3 vehicle payments and insurance and stuff.

[Amy]

Misty Cummings Robbed At Apartment Complex

PALATKA, FL -- The woman who put Haleigh Cummings to bed the night she disappeared was robbed Monday evening while at an apartment complex.

Misty Cummings, who is recently divorced from Haleigh's father, was with two friends Monday evening at the Ragsdale Apartments in the parking lot. One friend got out of the car to talk to someone and when she returned, "two or three black males jumped on Cummings taking her purse and pulling her out of the vehicle," the report said.

Cummings managed to get back into the car and the driver took off. The third woman, however, chased after the men. Cummings was taken to Putnam County Medical Center after complaining of minor injuries. Police found a purse strap and a "crushed pill bottle with unknown pills inside" at the scene.

One of the women in the car told police after the incident that she and Cummings had gone to the apartment complex to buy drugs. Police were called to another scene while interviewing the women and no one was arrested.

Haleigh Cummings, 6, disappeared from her home in Satsuma more than six months ago. CLICK HERE for complete coverage.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146957&catid=3#

I guess, if the news stops following you for a couple of days, there are always ways to get back in there!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Looks like Nay Nay has been sprung from the hoosegow, the day after Mama Croslin:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755794&IMG=37631

Guess Amber Brooks is the only playa on the inside (for now).

[lorettalockhorn]

Exclusive: Misty Cummings Can Go Home Again!

...On Friday, Lisa Croslin was happy to be home celebrating the 6th birthday of grandson Austin, Haleigh’s favorite cousin, family tell The Bald Truth. Lindsay Croslin, in an exclusive interview, said that the family would also welcome Misty home if she would drop the restraining order against her brother, and Lindsay’s husband, Tommy, who reported she wasn’t home the night Haleigh disappeared when he knocked on the door about 10 p.m.

On the CBS Early Show, Misty Croslin said he likely made that false claim to get out of jail, where he’d been locked and charged with stealing a gun from a neighbor.

While her real mother was locked up, Misty bonded with her “undercover mama,” Texas Equusearch volunteer Donna Brock, whose double agent mission was to keep her company and keep her safe, and away from Satsuma and Ronald Cummings who Tim Miller feared migtht carry out private threats to kill her, then himself. But Ronald Cummings attorney scoffed that Ronald was in no psychological danger, and did not have the assault rifle that Miller has described in a sworn statement he sent to Putnam County child welfare officials...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/18/exclusive-misty-cummings-can-go-home-again/

[lorettalockhorn]

Exclusive: “No Way Misty Hurt Haleigh Cummings!”–Hank Croslin

After scarfing down takeout from Taco Bell in Palataka, Florida, a ravenous Misty Cummings Tuesday swore she didn’t know what happened to the five year old she was babysitting, Feb. 9, a month before she married the child’s father, Ronald Cummings.

“I said, ‘Misty, even if it was an accident, and you just admit it, or know something, anything, tell the police, and you won’t have to spend life in prison like they’re saying you will if they ever arrest you,’” Hank Croslin, Sr. tells The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview. “We’ll be there for you no matter what.

“But if you know anything, I wish you’d tell me so we could all move on.’ And she said, ‘Daddy, I’m telling you the truth. I just woke up and Haleigh wasn’t there…’

“I believe her. I know she didn’t just vanish off the face of the earth. She’s out there somewhere and someone knows something. But I don’t know, my wife doesn’t know, my son Tommie doesn’t know and I’m 99 per cent sure Misty doesn’t know. She’s my daughter, and I’ve got to spend time with her and I really believe she doesn’t know what happened. She could never harm a child; she loved Haleigh, and I don’t think she’s trying to protect anyone.”

Is it possible she wasn’t home, I ask, like Tommie Croslin told investigators he figured when he banged on the door at Ronald’s request and got on answer after they’d fought earlier and she wasn’t picking up the phone?

“Anything’s possible,” says Croslin, Sr., “but Misty is a heavy sleeper. She always was, just like her brothers, Tommie and Timmie. Nothing could wake them up growing up. Not me… a cat walking across the floor can wake me up.”...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/21/exclusive-no-way-misty-hurt-haleigh-cummings-hank-croslin/

[lorettalockhorn]

>> Not me… a cat walking across the floor can wake me up.”

Um just what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Were you sleeping at Ron's trailer that night? :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Just noticed this at the Texas Equusearch website under the Donate to TES button:

Your donation to Texas Equusearch will be used for search and rescue missions, equipment, fuel, food, lodging for the Search Coordinators and expenses to get the Mobile Command Center to the search location.

Don't see anything about "well-heeled" (and THAT'S up for interpretation) undercover mama operations. I guess the devil is in the details. Like the definition of the word "missions".

[Amy]

Exclusive: Misty Cummings Can Go Home Again!

...On Friday, Lisa Croslin was happy to be home celebrating the 6th birthday of grandson Austin, Haleigh’s favorite cousin, family tell The Bald Truth. Lindsay Croslin, in an exclusive interview, said that the family would also welcome Misty home if she would drop the restraining order against her brother, and Lindsay’s husband, Tommy, who reported she wasn’t home the night Haleigh disappeared when he knocked on the door about 10 p.m.

On the CBS Early Show, Misty Croslin said he likely made that false claim to get out of jail, where he’d been locked and charged with stealing a gun from a neighbor.

While her real mother was locked up, Misty bonded with her “undercover mama,” Texas Equusearch volunteer Donna Brock, whose double agent mission was to keep her company and keep her safe, and away from Satsuma and Ronald Cummings who Tim Miller feared migtht carry out private threats to kill her, then himself. But Ronald Cummings attorney scoffed that Ronald was in no psychological danger, and did not have the assault rifle that Miller has described in a sworn statement he sent to Putnam County child welfare officials...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/18/exclusive-misty-cummings-can-go-home-again/

I must admit, the family dynamics of that group down there are kind of beyond my experience and comprehension. Now, Lindsay might be a very nice lady, heck, Tommy might be a very nice man --a little hotheaded maybe?--but really, if my brother made accusations against me, and especially if they are FALSE accusations, I don't think I would be choosing them to bunk with. Plus, if brother is hot-headed, whilst he might say let by-gones be by-gones, he might bring up the restraining order against him, and what SHE said about him, and there might be fireworks.

As for the Ron's attorney scoffing that Ron doesn't have the assault rifle described by Tim Miller--well, maybe not now, as the attorney is speaking. The question would be--did he have it @ the time Tim Miller says the incident took place? Attorney needs to quit thinking he can fool the media and public with double speak. Most of us have @ least our high school diplomas, and it really only takes a kindergarden diploma to figure that one out.

No psychological issues? :biggrin::biggrin: (Need a ROTFLMAO icon here.)

[Amy]

Exclusive: “No Way Misty Hurt Haleigh Cummings!”–Hank Croslin

After scarfing down takeout from Taco Bell in Palataka, Florida, a ravenous Misty Cummings Tuesday swore she didn’t know what happened to the five year old she was babysitting, Feb. 9, a month before she married the child’s father, Ronald Cummings.

“I said, ‘Misty, even if it was an accident, and you just admit it, or know something, anything, tell the police, and you won’t have to spend life in prison like they’re saying you will if they ever arrest you,’” Hank Croslin, Sr. tells The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview. “We’ll be there for you no matter what.

“But if you know anything, I wish you’d tell me so we could all move on.’ And she said, ‘Daddy, I’m telling you the truth. I just woke up and Haleigh wasn’t there…’

“I believe her. I know she didn’t just vanish off the face of the earth. She’s out there somewhere and someone knows something. But I don’t know, my wife doesn’t know, my son Tommie doesn’t know and I’m 99 per cent sure Misty doesn’t know. She’s my daughter, and I’ve got to spend time with her and I really believe she doesn’t know what happened. She could never harm a child; she loved Haleigh, and I don’t think she’s trying to protect anyone.”

Is it possible she wasn’t home, I ask, like Tommie Croslin told investigators he figured when he banged on the door at Ronald’s request and got on answer after they’d fought earlier and she wasn’t picking up the phone?

“Anything’s possible,” says Croslin, Sr., “but Misty is a heavy sleeper. She always was, just like her brothers, Tommie and Timmie. Nothing could wake them up growing up. Not me… a cat walking across the floor can wake me up.”...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/21/exclusive-no-way-misty-hurt-haleigh-cummings-hank-croslin/

BBM.

Just the type of person every diligent, protective parent hires to watch their children DURING THE NORMAL HOURS OF SLEEP!!! Yep, honey, we can't leave the kids alone @ night, so let's get just anyone--doesn't matter if she would wake up if the kids needed anything. :flamemad:

Surely, in the amount of time that Ron and Misty had been together, he would notice that Misty is a really heavy sleeper. Unless, of course, HE is, too. Then, he wouldn't be awake to notice. And, if indeed there was a bit of drug use going on, that could certainly add to a person's not being easy to waken. Yet, Ron lets the heavy sleeper who can't be awakened for anything be his childrens' caretaker during the night. Way to go, Ron!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I must admit, the family dynamics of that group down there are kind of beyond my experience and comprehension. Now, Lindsay might be a very nice lady, heck, Tommy might be a very nice man --a little hotheaded maybe?--but really, if my brother made accusations against me, and especially if they are FALSE accusations, I don't think I would be choosing them to bunk with. Plus, if brother is hot-headed, whilst he might say let by-gones be by-gones, he might bring up the restraining order against him, and what SHE said about him, and there might be fireworks.

As for the Ron's attorney scoffing that Ron doesn't have the assault rifle described by Tim Miller--well, maybe not now, as the attorney is speaking. The question would be--did he have it @ the time Tim Miller says the incident took place? Attorney needs to quit thinking he can fool the media and public with double speak. Most of us have @ least our high school diplomas, and it really only takes a kindergarden diploma to figure that one out.

No psychological issues? :biggrin::biggrin: (Need a ROTFLMAO icon here.)

All good points! Speaking of the rifle, didn't we read somewhere that DCF had recently found (presumably after TM's affidavit) that Ron's guns were all stored properly? Did that include THE rifle in question? Or did I dream that?

@Ron's attorney's comments http://i40.tinypic.com/30myhj8.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/s46ft1.jpghttp://i30.tinypic.com/6fmm8x.jpg

And I can't help but remember Misty's attorney's comment before he resigned that she was going to come out swinging. Did he mean to say syringing?

[lorettalockhorn]

BBM.

Just the type of person every diligent, protective parent hires to watch their children DURING THE NORMAL HOURS OF SLEEP!!! Yep, honey, we can't leave the kids alone @ night, so let's get just anyone--doesn't matter if she would wake up if the kids needed anything. :flamemad:

Surely, in the amount of time that Ron and Misty had been together, he would notice that Misty is a really heavy sleeper. Unless, of course, HE is, too. Then, he wouldn't be awake to notice. And, if indeed there was a bit of drug use going on, that could certainly add to a person's not being easy to waken. Yet, Ron lets the heavy sleeper who can't be awakened for anything be his childrens' caretaker during the night. Way to go, Ron!!!

Ron should have expected Misty to crash after her weekend, so even if every other day of the world she was the perfect babysitter/pretend mommy, she wouldn't have been that night.

And is it just me or are the Croslins making a little too much of the heavy sleeper excuse? I can't put my finger on it, and I wouldn't bet that they're experts at logic, but I smell a rat (don't worry, it still has its head) here. http://i33.tinypic.com/2hyxfrb.jpg

[Amy]

All good points! Speaking of the rifle, didn't we read somewhere that DCF had recently found (presumably after TM's affidavit) that Ron's guns were all stored properly? Did that include THE rifle in question? Or did I dream that?

@Ron's attorney's comments http://i40.tinypic.com/30myhj8.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/s46ft1.jpghttp://i30.tinypic.com/6fmm8x.jpg

And I can't help but remember Misty's attorney's comment before he resigned that she was going to come out swinging. Did he mean to say syringing?

I would imagine that the minute Ron heard Tim Miller had gone public with the info about the gun, that he made sure they were all put up correctly. Heck, he MIGHT have figured out right after the incident that Tim Miller could go to LE @ anytime, and he could have put all the guns up right then. Heck, once Misty was out of the house, and not likely to return, there was no need to keep his arsenal @ the ready to use on her. So, go ahead and put them away. (I don't know, maybe I'm giving Ron too much credit here, thinking he would think things through.)

[SaraSidle]

Well Looks like Equusearch will be busy in Florida with Haleigh and the 7 yr old Somer missing from Orange Park which is about an hour north of Satsuma.

I think the heavy sleeping by the Croslin kids maybe due to crashing from drugs. about as good as a sleeping pill. I wonder if Lindsay says the same thing about Tommy sleeping? IMO

[SaraSidle]

All good points! Speaking of the rifle, didn't we read somewhere that DCF had recently found (presumably after TM's affidavit) that Ron's guns were all stored properly? Did that include THE rifle in question? Or did I dream that?

@Ron's attorney's comments http://i40.tinypic.com/30myhj8.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/s46ft1.jpghttp://i30.tinypic.com/6fmm8x.jpg


And I can't help but remember Misty's attorney's comment before he resigned that she was going to come out swinging. Did he mean to say syringing?


BBM just love it Loretta. ITA

[lorettalockhorn]

Well Looks like Equusearch will be busy in Florida with Haleigh and the 7 yr old Somer missing from Orange Park which is about an hour north of Satsuma.

I think the heavy sleeping by the Croslin kids maybe due to crashing from drugs. about as good as a sleeping pill. I wonder if Lindsay says the same thing about Tommy sleeping? IMO

Well, doesn't crashing from drugs apply to Hank too? :hat:

Seriously, I remember that one of the SILs earlier said something about Misty sleeping through some sort of noise that woke her up out of a dead sleep and at the time I wondered why she has a babysitter while she's home, but just asssumed that she had been working a night shift or was sick or something. Now I really wonder if it's to explain something away. :shrug:

[Amy]

Ron should have expected Misty to crash after her weekend, so even if every other day of the world she was the perfect babysitter/pretend mommy, she wouldn't have been that night.

And is it just me or are the Croslins making a little too much of the heavy sleeper excuse? I can't put my finger on it, and I wouldn't bet that they're experts at logic, but I smell a rat (don't worry, it still has its head) here. http://i33.tinypic.com/2hyxfrb.jpg

lol!!! Cute rat!!!

Well, you do have to wonder why the emphasis on her being a heavy sleeper is just now being mentioned by the family. I don't recall much convo about it @ all, in the beginning, even when people were questioning how a little girl could get out of the same bed (whether 4 inches or 4 feet from her) without her not sensing the movement of the bed, if nothing else.

Wonder which came first here--Ron telling LE he had called Tommy to check on Misty (I don't recall that he said to check on Misty AND THE KIDS, just read about needing to check on MISTY) or Tommy telling LE Ron had called him. I would imagine the heavy sleeper thing is rearing it's head @ this late date to cover why Misty not only would not have heard Haleigh leave/be taken, but also why she didn't answer the door.

Oh, hey, they could add that he was pounding @ the "front" door, and the bedroom was more to the back, plus she can tell about having the washing machine on which of course could add to why someone would not be able to hear knocking. Altho, I would think BANGING on the door would wake someone up--if not Misty, the kids. Unless, of course they were given something to help THEM sleep "soundly."

You know, @ first, I didn't see anything usual about Ron stopping @ the 7-11 to get his snacks and cigs and beer before heading on home. When I worked evenings and nights, I would stop to get whatever I figured I would need, cuz I sure wouldn't want that stuff bad enough in the middle of my sleep to get out and get it. Even if I had to go a few miles out of the way.

THEN, we find out that Ron had been calling Misty w/no answer, and had sent Tommy over to check on her. Now, either Tommy didn't go check on her, or he didn't report back to Ron about Misty not answering the door. Any way you cut it, if I was THAT worried about my SO (and my kids, but that's just me) I wouldn't be stopping anywhere before checking @ home to see that all was well. OR, if Tommy DID report to him that there was no answer--to get home to see if they are home yet, or if not, if there is any clue as to where they might have gone. Etc Etc etc. (Sorry, fell asleep here, and lost my train of tho't--if I had one. :D)

Oh, the emphasis on heavy sleeping--CYA, or CMA (in this case, cover Misty's a##, as opposed to what it means in the other case) pure and simple. Maybe, as long as she gets away from Ron, her family is willing to stand by her?

[SaraSidle]

I know it would not work for me to have a babysitter that sleeps that hard.
IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

lol!!! Cute rat!!!

Well, you do have to wonder why the emphasis on her being a heavy sleeper is just now being mentioned by the family. I don't recall much convo about it @ all, in the beginning, even when people were questioning how a little girl could get out of the same bed (whether 4 inches or 4 feet from her) without her not sensing the movement of the bed, if nothing else.

Wonder which came first here--Ron telling LE he had called Tommy to check on Misty (I don't recall that he said to check on Misty AND THE KIDS, just read about needing to check on MISTY) or Tommy telling LE Ron had called him. I would imagine the heavy sleeper thing is rearing it's head @ this late date to cover why Misty not only would not have heard Haleigh leave/be taken, but also why she didn't answer the door.

Oh, hey, they could add that he was pounding @ the "front" door, and the bedroom was more to the back, plus she can tell about having the washing machine on which of course could add to why someone would not be able to hear knocking. Altho, I would think BANGING on the door would wake someone up--if not Misty, the kids. Unless, of course they were given something to help THEM sleep "soundly."

You know, @ first, I didn't see anything usual about Ron stopping @ the 7-11 to get his snacks and cigs and beer before heading on home. When I worked evenings and nights, I would stop to get whatever I figured I would need, cuz I sure wouldn't want that stuff bad enough in the middle of my sleep to get out and get it. Even if I had to go a few miles out of the way.

THEN, we find out that Ron had been calling Misty w/no answer, and had sent Tommy over to check on her. Now, either Tommy didn't go check on her, or he didn't report back to Ron about Misty not answering the door. Any way you cut it, if I was THAT worried about my SO (and my kids, but that's just me) I wouldn't be stopping anywhere before checking @ home to see that all was well. OR, if Tommy DID report to him that there was no answer--to get home to see if they are home yet, or if not, if there is any clue as to where they might have gone. Etc Etc etc. (Sorry, fell asleep here, and lost my train of tho't--if I had one. :D)

Oh, the emphasis on heavy sleeping--CYA, or CMA (in this case, cover Misty's a##, as opposed to what it means in the other case) pure and simple. Maybe, as long as she gets away from Ron, her family is willing to stand by her?

Surely to goodness Ron knows that LE would find out that he had called Tommy for whatever reason; afterall, he was smart enough to tell Tim Miller that they wanted throw away cells to take to Orlando to avoid being tracked. But, knowing Ron, it could be that he never mentioned those calls, if only to avoid having to explain why he didn't go straight home after being oh so very worried. IF he never mentioned the 20+ calls and LE finally got the information from Ron's and Misty's (and maybe everyone else's) cells, they used that to leverage information out of Tommy.

Here's the thing; instead of Misty telling all those versions of why she woke up out of such a dead sleep, she could have explained that it was the kidnappers making some sort of noise that woke her. Heck, she could have even claimed to have chased them to save Haleigh. But whoever took Haleigh seems to have waltzed in and out knowing the layout of the place, and I'll assume knowing that Haleigh sleeps with Ron&Misty. (BTW, the master bedroom isn't at the back of the house, it's directly to the left of the front porch/front door area on the front of the house.) We know that the rear interior door bangs shut with a self-closing mechanism, but the dirty laundry was piled up keeping it open. And of course, the cinderblock was propping the screen or storm door open. Most adults wouldn't need to prop that door open to carry Haleigh at only forty pounds out, but Misty would, so that's got to mean something.

So I have to wonder when Tommy went to check on Misty, she wasn't home and he knew where to go to find her partying. Maybe he brought her home and they found Haleigh dead from an overdose of benedryl or worse and together they got rid of Haleigh's body. Or maybe Tommy freaked and left Misty alone to dump her.

The only thing that I don't like about this new scenario is that it places no direct blame on Ron. There has to be some reason that he immediately offered up an alibi, was uncooperative with the 911 operator, and that even though he threatened to kill whoever is responsible, he never (apparently) left the trailer to find Haleigh. And that scene with him throwing himself on the ground with his crocodile tears while holding the crumpled 8X10 (that Mother Teresa had soooooooo thoughtfully brought along with her the night before) was just not a true display of emotion by my way of thinking.

[wind149]

Now that I have finally stopped laughing, it is time to weigh in! This is the second time the cats have heard strange sounds coming from Mumma, me laughing my ever loving ass off!! She calls the cops and says her and her scum friends were robbed of their ILLICIT DRUGS by two black dudes? She is even more brain dead than I gave her credit for, she is beyond retarded, she is par to an ocean parasite that lives in the bellies of whales!!! In other words, one single cell!!!! She can call the cops when she allegedly gets ripped off, but can't and won't cop to where Haleigh's body is and several people posted on WJXT that maybe somebody really needs to beat the truth out of her and I can tell you this, there would be no shortage of people lining up to be the one!!! Now she must have been paid a handsome amount of money by CBS, wonder if she made 20 grand like the Ants? She has never held a job, so maybe my prediction of some other piece of inbred trash willing to hook up with her is true as well, she has to be able to get money for her habits and where is she crashing now that Ron has kicked her to the curb, the only smart and decent thing he has done in his sorry ass life and I can't help but feel very strongly that he has not known where Haleigh is, because these people will sell out their own mother to save their own asses and if Ron knows, Misty would use that against him at some point and he knows it so, while I think he is a complete POS, a lousy excuse for a father, I now feel that he doesn't have a clue, but now, I am willing to bet, deep down, he KNOWS Misty murdered or sold for drugs his daughter.

That it one possibly that my sister has ran with all these months and with her admitting to copping drugs to the cops and the fact that she had gone on a drug toot with her scum friends the week before, and Nay's lame statement that Haleigh got into pills and died, this sounds like a distinct possibly, Charles Manson's mother sold him for a pitcher of beer and people in Cambodia and Vietnam and India have sold their own children to traffickers either knowing or not knowing that they would become sex slaves, so Misty selling Haleigh to a trafficker is not too far fetched? Maybe this explains why not one molecule of this poor child has turned up, maybe she is in India being used like a sex toy, big bucks in trafficking, less risk than selling drugs and more profitable because while one can sell a kilo of coke for what they want, they only get the one price, whereas you can sell a human being over and over again. And that would explain Jr's version of that night, " a man dressed in black" but I still can't explain away the couch bouncing unless Misty had to boink the guy too, part of the bargain?

And I am so pleased that more people are NOW focusing on Haleigh and not her trash family and one person posted the other day, that technically, Misty is NOT her step-mother because at the time she went gone, they were not married so she is just the babysitter and Ron's piece of jailbait ass. And now she is his ex piece of jailbait!!!! And I think that dumb cooze thinks people are gonna have sympathy for her because she was allegedly robbed by other losers, and if you read the posts from FL, they hate her guts and not one soul expressed anything but hatred and contempt and some have said things even worse and who can blame them? That little skank murdered this child as sure as Casey murdered hers? And now, another child is missing and if she comes up dead and died by the hands of a pedophile, you watch, Misty will be on the horn to JXT or FCN "that see, I didn't do anything to Haleigh, he probably did it" But I do not think so based on how these scumbags operate. As much as they desire the kid, they are not going to open two extremely loud doors, march down the hallway and grab a kid that is inches to two feet away from another person, they ain't that stupid, they don't want to be caught! Especially if they are "Couey's" they hone their craft, they watch the homes, they observe the families routines and when the kids might be by themselves or where the bedrooms are like Couey did and then they strike. I think she needed to make up a story she thought that cops and Ron would buy seeing as Casey was in the news every day singing her Zany tune, so dumb Misty decides that is how Haleigh goes missing, a stranger came in the house while they were all sleeping???? Pure D crap!!!

And I swear, if Haleigh's body is ever found, this twat is gonna go down and she is so dumb, she has sealed the deal that she will be in prison for life so she better enjoy herself while she can, I feel the end is near for her as I am thinking that maybe hunters will find the body. I remember a girl who came up missing in Woo's neck of the woods in MA and also close to where Molly Bish vanished and 9 months later, hunters found her body deep in the woods about a mile from her home. And hunters who at the time did not realize the bits of blue bathing suit they saw in the woods about 20 miles away belonged to Molly till the state cop who pursued that case like a man possessed talked to a guy he knew and the guy told him about the suit they had seen, they went up there and her body was recovered in a shallow grave by CSI's and she had been missing three years. Hunters usually do find things that people do not want people to find. IN my book, my serial killing POS cop, puts 4 little girl's bodies in the woods and hunters find them so that is why the book is named "Hunter's Moon as the beginning chapter has two local boys going out the first day of hunting season to the deer blind they had built the previous year and they find the first body. I just pray they find her soon, so that little b!tch can get what is coming to her as she is as bad as CA.

[LadyFisher]

Well Looks like Equusearch will be busy in Florida with Haleigh and the 7 yr old Somer missing from Orange Park which is about an hour north of Satsuma.

I think the heavy sleeping by the Croslin kids maybe due to crashing from drugs. about as good as a sleeping pill. I wonder if Lindsay says the same thing about Tommy sleeping? IMO
I don't know about Tommy other than imho he should be a POI....he places himself at the home at approx. 10ish.......:confused::shrug: imho

[lorettalockhorn]

Now that I have finally stopped laughing, it is time to weigh in! This is the second time the cats have heard strange sounds coming from Mumma, me laughing my ever loving ass off!! She calls the cops and says her and her scum friends were robbed of their ILLICIT DRUGS by two black dudes? She is even more brain dead than I gave her credit for, she is beyond retarded, she is par to an ocean parasite that lives in the bellies of whales!!! In other words, one single cell!!!! She can call the cops when she allegedly gets ripped off, but can't and won't cop to where Haleigh's body is and several people posted on WJXT that maybe somebody really needs to beat the truth out of her and I can tell you this, there would be no shortage of people lining up to be the one!!! Now she must have been paid a handsome amount of money by CBS, wonder if she made 20 grand like the Ants? She has never held a job, so maybe my prediction of some other piece of inbred trash willing to hook up with her is true as well, she has to be able to get money for her habits and where is she crashing now that Ron has kicked her to the curb, the only smart and decent thing he has done in his sorry ass life and I can't help but feel very strongly that he has not known where Haleigh is, because these people will sell out their own mother to save their own asses and if Ron knows, Misty would use that against him at some point and he knows it so, while I think he is a complete POS, a lousy excuse for a father, I now feel that he doesn't have a clue, but now, I am willing to bet, deep down, he KNOWS Misty murdered or sold for drugs his daughter.

That it one possibly that my sister has ran with all these months and with her admitting to copping drugs to the cops and the fact that she had gone on a drug toot with her scum friends the week before, and Nay's lame statement that Haleigh got into pills and died, this sounds like a distinct possibly, Charles Manson's mother sold him for a pitcher of beer and people in Cambodia and Vietnam and India have sold their own children to traffickers either knowing or not knowing that they would become sex slaves, so Misty selling Haleigh to a trafficker is not too far fetched? Maybe this explains why not one molecule of this poor child has turned up, maybe she is in India being used like a sex toy, big bucks in trafficking, less risk than selling drugs and more profitable because while one can sell a kilo of coke for what they want, they only get the one price, whereas you can sell a human being over and over again. And that would explain Jr's version of that night, " a man dressed in black" but I still can't explain away the couch bouncing unless Misty had to boink the guy too, part of the bargain?

And I am so pleased that more people are NOW focusing on Haleigh and not her trash family and one person posted the other day, that technically, Misty is NOT her step-mother because at the time she went gone, they were not married so she is just the babysitter and Ron's piece of jailbait ass. And now she is his ex piece of jailbait!!!! And I think that dumb cooze thinks people are gonna have sympathy for her because she was allegedly robbed by other losers, and if you read the posts from FL, they hate her guts and not one soul expressed anything but hatred and contempt and some have said things even worse and who can blame them? That little skank murdered this child as sure as Casey murdered hers? And now, another child is missing and if she comes up dead and died by the hands of a pedophile, you watch, Misty will be on the horn to JXT or FCN "that see, I didn't do anything to Haleigh, he probably did it" But I do not think so based on how these scumbags operate. As much as they desire the kid, they are not going to open two extremely loud doors, march down the hallway and grab a kid that is inches to two feet away from another person, they ain't that stupid, they don't want to be caught! Especially if they are "Couey's" they hone their craft, they watch the homes, they observe the families routines and when the kids might be by themselves or where the bedrooms are like Couey did and then they strike. I think she needed to make up a story she thought that cops and Ron would buy seeing as Casey was in the news every day singing her Zany tune, so dumb Misty decides that is how Haleigh goes missing, a stranger came in the house while they were all sleeping???? Pure D crap!!!

And I swear, if Haleigh's body is ever found, this twat is gonna go down and she is so dumb, she has sealed the deal that she will be in prison for life so she better enjoy herself while she can, I feel the end is near for her as I am thinking that maybe hunters will find the body. I remember a girl who came up missing in Woo's neck of the woods in MA and also close to where Molly Bish vanished and 9 months later, hunters found her body deep in the woods about a mile from her home. And hunters who at the time did not realize the bits of blue bathing suit they saw in the woods about 20 miles away belonged to Molly till the state cop who pursued that case like a man possessed talked to a guy he knew and the guy told him about the suit they had seen, they went up there and her body was recovered in a shallow grave by CSI's and she had been missing three years. Hunters usually do find things that people do not want people to find. IN my book, my serial killing POS cop, puts 4 little girl's bodies in the woods and hunters find them so that is why the book is named "Hunter's Moon as the beginning chapter has two local boys going out the first day of hunting season to the deer blind they had built the previous year and they find the first body. I just pray they find her soon, so that little b!tch can get what is coming to her as she is as bad as CA.

Technically, it was the adult who told LE that they were there to buy drugs; and how crappy was it of the two teens to drive off and leave her there in the parking lot? I'm still dying to know what important call LE was summoned to that they didn't complete an investigation of this crime. And, truly if Misty's one goal in life is to obtain drugs, I'd think Ron was her free pass to that! Now she's got to pay her own way. Bummer. That's gotta be a buzzkill. I guess since Ron would likely be such an easy source of drugs for Misty, I find it hard to believe that she would sell Haleigh for drugs. But I don't find it too far-fetched at all for Haleigh to have been taken to pay off a debt that Ron owed.

At any rate, it's hard to imagine that whoever took Haleigh wasn't extremely familiar with everyone's habits, work schedule, the floorplan of the trailer, and where everyone slept. And what are the chances that someone would come in the very night that Misty was crashing from her weekend of debauchery?

[LadyFisher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGPxqI_YSXs&feature=sub HLN 10/21/09

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know about Tommy other than imho he should be a POI....he places himself at the home at approx. 10ish.......:confused::shrug: imho

For sure, but why would he willingly place himself there? Surely not just to bust on Misty. And surely he realizes that he's making himself a POI. Since we don't know what time Haleigh was actually last seen, does the 10pm time that Tommy claims to have been at the trailer matter?

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGPxqI_YSXs&feature=sub HLN 10/21/09

A day without media coverage is a day without sunshine and orange juice. :rolleyes:

[LadyFisher]

Surely to goodness Ron knows that LE would find out that he had called Tommy for whatever reason; afterall, he was smart enough to tell Tim Miller that they wanted throw away cells to take to Orlando to avoid being tracked. But, knowing Ron, it could be that he never mentioned those calls, if only to avoid having to explain why he didn't go straight home after being oh so very worried. IF he never mentioned the 20+ calls and LE finally got the information from Ron's and Misty's (and maybe everyone else's) cells, they used that to leverage information out of Tommy.

Here's the thing; instead of Misty telling all those versions of why she woke up out of such a dead sleep, she could have explained that it was the kidnappers making some sort of noise that woke her. Heck, she could have even claimed to have chased them to save Haleigh. But whoever took Haleigh seems to have waltzed in and out knowing the layout of the place, and I'll assume knowing that Haleigh sleeps with Ron&Misty. (BTW, the master bedroom isn't at the back of the house, it's directly to the left of the front porch/front door area on the front of the house.) We know that the rear interior door bangs shut with a self-closing mechanism, but the dirty laundry was piled up keeping it open. And of course, the cinderblock was propping the screen or storm door open. Most adults wouldn't need to prop that door open to carry Haleigh at only forty pounds out, but Misty would, so that's got to mean something.

So I have to wonder when Tommy went to check on Misty, she wasn't home and he knew where to go to find her partying. Maybe he brought her home and they found Haleigh dead from an overdose of benedryl or worse and together they got rid of Haleigh's body. Or maybe Tommy freaked and left Misty alone to dump her.

The only thing that I don't like about this new scenario is that it places no direct blame on Ron. There has to be some reason that he immediately offered up an alibi, was uncooperative with the 911 operator, and that even though he threatened to kill whoever is responsible, he never (apparently) left the trailer to find Haleigh. And that scene with him throwing himself on the ground with his crocodile tears while holding the crumpled 8X10 (that Mother Teresa had soooooooo thoughtfully brought along with her the night before) was just not a true display of emotion by my way of thinking.
I have wondered about the benedryl scenario, too......What if Misty really was crashed and Tommy came over....what do we really know about him,...petty thief....doper....didn't Misty accuse him of trying to molest her at a young age???? imho

[LadyFisher]

For sure, but why would he willingly place himself there? Surely not just to bust on Misty. And surely he realizes that he's making himself a POI. Since we don't know what time Haleigh was actually last seen, does the 10pm time that Tommy claims to have been at the trailer matter?
Loretta, I don't know if it matters or not....it could have been his get out of jail free card....but I don't think so....there were calls from Ron to him that night....maybe Tommy believed someone might have seen him there....I wish I had the answers...imho

[SuzDuJour]

It looks like Somer is yet another victim = they found a child's body at the landfill after following garbage trucks from her neighborhood. God, I'm sick of them finding little children's bodies.

[LadyFisher]

It looks like Somer is yet another victim = they found a child's body at the landfill after following garbage trucks from her neighborhood. God, I'm sick of them finding little children's bodies.We are all sick of these pedos.......it is very disturbing to all of us who have children and grandchildren....something has to be done with these sickos....a child has the right to walk home from school safely.....arrrrrgh ...I am as angry as you are:flamemad:

[One2Snoop]

Just thought you might want to know we have a discussion thread for Somer....

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?p=9229386#post9229386

[deacon]

We are all sick of these pedos.......it is very disturbing to all of us who have children and grandchildren....something has to be done with these sickos....a child has the right to walk home from school safely.....arrrrrgh ...I am as angry as you are:flamemad:

What really makes me sick is when they catch them they don't do anything with them. I guess in some, people's thoughts, they are not dangerous. They need to be put away for life. Not a few years and then turned back into society. Stop being nice to people in jail. Take all rights away from them. Make it a place that no one wants to go to. Quit with the "recreation" of brutal animals while they are in jail.

[lorettalockhorn]

It looks like Somer is yet another victim = they found a child's body at the landfill after following garbage trucks from her neighborhood. God, I'm sick of them finding little children's bodies.

We are all sick of these pedos.......it is very disturbing to all of us who have children and grandchildren....something has to be done with these sickos....a child has the right to walk home from school safely.....arrrrrgh ...I am as angry as you are:flamemad:

It's too sickening. And you know, I heard last week(?) that someone narced on someone for letting a neighbor boy come into her house to wait for the school bus. WTF?!?!? She may very well be saving a child's life, but some asshole reported her for running an unlicensed daycare center when all she is doing is being a good neighbor. Kid has to wait for the bus on the porch from now on.

My God, we were outside on our own from practically sun up to sun down or later when I was a kid. Not saying that's necessarily a good thing, but at least it was a mostly safe option for our parents.

Saw another story about a bunch of pedophiles who are living in a camp and the citizens are up in arms. Well, let them. At least they'd be in a centralized location to be under observation. And we all know that if the government tried to force them to live together it would be a civil rights violation.

[LadyFisher]

What really makes me sick is when they catch them they don't do anything with them. I guess in some, people's thoughts, they are not dangerous. They need to be put away for life. Not a few years and then turned back into society. Stop being nice to people in jail. Take all rights away from them. Make it a place that no one wants to go to. Quit with the "recreation" of brutal animals while they are in jail. I hear ya.....a pedo that was in our neighborhood went to jail for only a couple of years...he molested a small girl of the woman he was living with....it shocked everyone.....he's out somewhere now:punch:.....I think there should be stronger punishment.....and so many of them congregate in Florida.....didn't the sheriff say 70 something s/o were being interviewed in the Somer case.....in a 5 mile radius :eek: that is just unbelievable....it is epidemic proportions...imho

[LadyFisher]

It's too sickening. And you know, I heard last week(?) that someone narced on someone for letting a neighbor boy come into her house to wait for the school bus. WTF?!?!? She may very well be saving a child's life, but some asshole reported her for running an unlicensed daycare center when all she is doing is being a good neighbor. Kid has to wait for the bus on the porch from now on.

My God, we were outside on our own from practically sun up to sun down or later when I was a kid. Not saying that's necessarily a good thing, but at least it was a mostly safe option for our parents.

Saw another story about a bunch of pedophiles who are living in a camp and the citizens are up in arms. Well, let them. At least they'd be in a centralized location to be under observation. And we all know that if the government tried to force them to live together it would be a civil rights violation.When my children were growing up....they walked alone to friends homes and their friends would walk across town to our house....we didn't ever worry about their safety.....would we do that now...never ...it's impossible to trust anyone anymore......I use to tell my children there was no boogeyman....well, now there are boogymen...and we have to be honest with our grandchildren.....how times have changed....and not in a good way....scary stuff going on out there...:eek::shrug:

[Nawny]

I believe normal people may need to be silly here since there is nothing normal. :seeya:

Yes sara.. is there anyone here besides me, who is beginning to develop a twitch? :tongue:

[Nawny]

When my children were growing up....they walked alone to friends homes and their friends would walk across town to our house....we didn't ever worry about their safety.....would we do that now...never ...it's impossible to trust anyone anymore......I use to tell my children there was no boogeyman....well, now there are boogymen...and we have to be honest with our grandchildren.....how times have changed....and not in a good way....scary stuff going on out there...:eek::shrug:

ITA.. There are boogymen!

I grew up in the city. We all walked to school. (Sometimes alone) It might be safer in the city actually. My grandchildren all live in the burbs and I am thankful that they have over protective parents. This child abduction business is getting nuts!

My oldest grandchild went to a 4 day educational camp last week. My DIL was just notified that 30 children who attended came down with ecoli and warned her to pay close attention to any symptoms.

She called me half hysterical today. She wanted to vent about it and offered the reality that nothing seems safe anymore for the kids. I had to agree. This camp was part of a school program for gifted children. Many parents attended and there were many meetings prior assuring parents that the kids would be in good hands. Not to mention the expense. She is a very hyper vigilant mother, but she trusted this.

Dammit! Doesn't anything run properly in this country?

[Amy]

Yes sara.. is there anyone here besides me, who is beginning to develop a twitch? :tongue:

Funny you should say that!!! As a matter of fact, my left eye has had this twitch for several days now!!! Really. Makes it hard to drive and to see the computer screen, I can tell you that!!!!:mad:

[SaraSidle]

ITA.. There are boogymen!

I grew up in the city. We all walked to school. (Sometimes alone) It might be safer in the city actually. My grandchildren all live in the burbs and I am thankful that they have over protective parents. This child abduction business is getting nuts!

My oldest grandchild went to a 4 day educational camp last week. My DIL was just notified that 30 children who attended came down with ecoli and warned her to pay close attention to any symptoms.

She called me half hysterical today. She wanted to vent about it and offered the reality that nothing seems safe anymore for the kids. I had to agree. This camp was part of a school program for gifted children. Many parents attended and there were many meetings prior assuring parents that the kids would be in good hands. Not to mention the expense. She is a very hyper vigilant mother, but she trusted this.

Dammit! Doesn't anything run properly in this country?

I do not know Nawny. We have added some SO's on our map since I
looked last Not many but a few. I do not think there is a place in this country a child can be safe anymore. very disturbing. IMO

[Marian Paroo]

We are all sick of these pedos.......it is very disturbing to all of us who have children and grandchildren....something has to be done with these sickos....a child has the right to walk home from school safely.....arrrrrgh ...I am as angry as you are:flamemad:

Not every murderer of a child is a sexual predator.

And I do prefer the term sexual predator to paedophile, which literally means "lover of children." Yeah. Right. Talk about euphemisms! :flamemad:

[Amy]

I do not know Nawny. We have added some SO's on our map since I
looked last Not many but a few. I do not think there is a place in this country a child can be safe anymore. very disturbing. IMO

You do have to look @ why the person is an RSO. Not all are rapists or pedophiles. I can't remember all the acts than can get a person on the list, but one is related to relieving oneself in public--even if looks around and thinks there is no one to see (not an exhibitionist) before he does it. Some are also men who as youngsters had sex w/their about the same age gf's.

But, that being said, there are too many of the threatening kind. And the trouble is, even repeat offenders don't seem to get as much sentence time as they should. IMP

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty is capable of emotion. Whoda thunk it?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/21/misty-cummings-new-911-call-robbed-when-drug-deal-went-bad/#more-3277

[lorettalockhorn]

Police report. No mention of officers leaving the area to take another call.

http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Misty-Palatka-Police-report-10-19.TIF

[lorettalockhorn]

2 Misty Croslin-Cummings, Haleigh's Babysitter, Robbed and Beaten; Two or Three "Black Guys Did It"...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2311553/misty_croslincummings_haleighs_babysitter.html?cat =8

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – PCSO Has New E-mail Tip Line

I was contacted this morning by Captain Dominic Piscitello of the PCSO. They are receiving a high volume of tips and leads in the search for missing 6 year old Haleigh Cummings, many of these tips are coming in through E-mail. Unfortunately they are being sent to many different E-mail accounts, and often are going through various hands before getting to the Haleigh team.

To alleviate this problem and streamline the flow of information Capt, Piscitello asks that all E-mail leads and tips be sent to haleigh@putnamsheriff.org This account will be closely monitored and will ensure that information gets to the right people with the minimum of delay...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122718

[lorettalockhorn]

Sam Watkins Country benefit for Haleigh Cummings:

http://samwatkinscountry.com/Shows_and_Events.html

[SaraSidle]

For sure, but why would he willingly place himself there? Surely not just to bust on Misty. And surely he realizes that he's making himself a POI. Since we don't know what time Haleigh was actually last seen, does the 10pm time that Tommy claims to have been at the trailer matter?


not disagreeing but he might have told LE that to get out of jail.
he might have been afraid someone saw him there. I wonder what he was driving. IMO :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

You do have to look @ why the person is an RSO. Not all are rapists or pedophiles. I can't remember all the acts than can get a person on the list, but one is related to relieving oneself in public--even if looks around and thinks there is no one to see (not an exhibitionist) before he does it. Some are also men who as youngsters had sex w/their about the same age gf's.

But, that being said, there are too many of the threatening kind. And the trouble is, even repeat offenders don't seem to get as much sentence time as they should. IMP

thank you. I do check where there is a spot to find out what they were arrested for and take it from there. we do not have a lenient court system here. You are correct. In my mind I figure this person must have done something for this to be on the map. And of course then I wonder about the unregistered!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

not disagreeing but he might have told LE that to get out of jail.
he might have been afraid someone saw him there. I wonder what he was driving. IMO :shrug:

I think they live around the corner maybe? ETA: He could have been on foot. At any rate, if he placed himself there, he's possibly making himself a person of interest which doesn't make it likely that it would be an automatic lowering of bond and ticket out of jail. Seems like it would have the opposite effect. But it's hard to tell with PCSO.

[SaraSidle]

Haleigh Cummings – PCSO Has New E-mail Tip Line

I was contacted this morning by Captain Dominic Piscitello of the PCSO. They are receiving a high volume of tips and leads in the search for missing 6 year old Haleigh Cummings, many of these tips are coming in through E-mail. Unfortunately they are being sent to many different E-mail accounts, and often are going through various hands before getting to the Haleigh team.

To alleviate this problem and streamline the flow of information Capt, Piscitello asks that all E-mail leads and tips be sent to haleigh@putnamsheriff.org This account will be closely monitored and will ensure that information gets to the right people with the minimum of delay...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122718

This is very interesting. I wonder why all the tips now

[lorettalockhorn]

Not every murderer of a child is a sexual predator.

And I do prefer the term sexual predator to paedophile, which literally means "lover of children." Yeah. Right. Talk about euphemisms! :flamemad:

Obviously not every child murderer is a pedophile or child predator; just look at all the parents who murder for example. But if in the case of Somer Thompson's death, which may have sparked this particular convo and also in the case of Haleigh where there are so many RSOs in the neighborhood, you simply have to ask if the government is doing enough to keep tabs on offenders and if the notification process is efficient/sufficient.

[SaraSidle]

I think they live around the corner maybe? ETA: He could have been on foot. At any rate, if he placed himself there, he's possibly making himself a person of interest which doesn't make it likely that it would be an automatic lowering of bond and ticket out of jail. Seems like it would have the opposite effect. But it's hard to tell with PCSO.

this is true. they have been less than forthcoming on information. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Just saw the end of Maury; Ron and Teresa were both in tears. They explained to Maury about Turner's Syndrome and TN said that she thinks Haleigh is still alive. At the end Ron said that if Haleigh is watching, he loves her.

And I couldn't help but be appalled at the thought of Haleigh or any other child watching Maury.

From what I can tell, this was just an informational program to give a few scant details about the missing children and get their faces on the air.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh case on Maury:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8oenktrOg

[Nawny]

Obviously not every child murderer is a pedophile or child predator; just look at all the parents who murder for example. But if in the case of Somer Thompson's death, which may have sparked this particular convo and also in the case of Haleigh where there are so many RSOs in the neighborhood, you simply have to ask if the government is doing enough to keep tabs on offenders and if the notification process is efficient/sufficient.

I'm hoping with all this stuff happening with repeat offenders, LE will wake the EFF up! Laws need to be stiffened real fast. I personally know of a repeat offender here in RI that had 18 years hanging over his head, offended again, did 2 years and is out with 20 hanging over his head. He also got custody of his son because his wife was a drug user. (Hard to believe, but true)

His name is Steven Ray Johnson. He was married to someone I knew. His picture is plastered all over the notices to parents with small children in local schools here. (That's a good thing. Schools send print outs home with the grammar school kids that post pictures of the ass holes.)

[LadyFisher]

Not every murderer of a child is a sexual predator.

And I do prefer the term sexual predator to paedophile, which literally means "lover of children." Yeah. Right. Talk about euphemisms! :flamemad:
True.....Casey Anthony....for instance...imho

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm hoping with all this stuff happening with repeat offenders, LE will wake the EFF up! Laws need to be stiffened real fast. I personally know of a repeat offender here in RI that had 18 years hanging over his head, offended again, did 2 years and is out with 20 hanging over his head. He also got custody of his son because his wife was a drug user. (Hard to believe, but true)

His name is Steven Ray Johnson. He was married to someone I knew. His picture is plastered all over the notices to parents with small children in local schools here. (That's a good thing. Schools send print outs home with the grammar school kids that post pictures of the ass holes.)

UGH I feel sorry for the child who is court ordered to live with the scum of the earth recidivist father. WTF is the judge thinking?

LE can't do anything but arrest these people over and over. It's up to legislators to create and enact laws with bite. And up to citizens to pay attention to how judges use their power to put those laws in action. And if they're not tough, they should be voted out of office. Period.

[wind149]

Nawny, My pick of the litter of scumbags in NH would be Douglas Carl Alexander of 22 Wallock Acres in Winchester NH, 400 lbs of slob, brown on blue, DOB 4/19/57 who molested and physically abused at least 4 girls that we know of, his own kids and step-daughters, but I suspect that there are a lot more out there as he liked to get them really young, like three??? While he is no longer a cop, he was hiding behind a motorcycle ministry and I was betting they had no clue about his past, so a little birdie made a few calls and it wasn't me, and the preacher was shocked as babyrapers are not welcome and before you can say boo, he is now out of the ministry and I will continue to make his life hell till he dies and I don't even live there anymore, So many people hate this puke, that it is not hard to get people to do my bidding. So now he can sit and eat himself to death and bang his mama as she is his one true love anyway and I am totally serious. One of his ex's came home one day early and he came out of the bedroom naked and did not see her at first and who walked out after him half naked? MOMMY!!! They acted more like lovers than they did mother and son, they could have just spent 4 hours together and he would come home and call her??? Or she would call him??? She sometimes would call him 6 times a day and they could spend hours talking and even on duty, I would hear dispatch tell him to call his mommy!!! This is about the time I broke it off and then he stalks me for weeks and that is about the time I found out about his past. He is a stone cold predator and a woman beater and a stalker and one day, he is gonna kill someone, I just feel that.

[Amy]

UGH I feel sorry for the child who is court ordered to live with the scum of the earth recidivist father. WTF is the judge thinking?

LE can't do anything but arrest these people over and over. It's up to legislators to create and enact laws with bite. And up to citizens to pay attention to how judges use their power to put those laws in action. And if they're not tough, they should be voted out of office. Period.

This is going to be a bunch of "can't remembers" but----there was a case several years ago (I'm thinking WA or CO) where the judge overrode the sentence recommended. She tho't he would not fare well in prison because he was small in stature (a short POS.) I can't remember if it was for rape or child molestation and it really doesn't matter. The POS didn't have any compassion for his victim, why should anyone have compassion about how he might be treated in prison? I sure hope that judge has been disbarred and defrocked and can never sit as a judge again. She has pi$$ poor judgement--if that is an example, she can't be trusted to make appropriated judgements. IMO

[SaraSidle]

True.....Casey Anthony....for instance...imho

yes isn't great. we have to look at family and sex predators right away.
great society we are becoming

[lorettalockhorn]

Petition to change sex offender laws:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/change-sex-offender-laws#

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh's Great Grandmother Reacts to Somer Case

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The recovery of the body of 7-year-old Somer Thompson evoked memories of the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings in Putnam County earlier this year.

The 5-year-old vanished in February and has not been found.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said during the first few days of the investigation that deputies also searched landfills, which is how Somer was found Wednesday.

Trash that was collected from southern Putnam County was taken to the landfill, but deposited in a roped-off area. Forty
sheriff's deputies went through the trash seeking clues, but found no evidence or clues.

Hardy confirmed that a garbage search is protocol in a missing persons case.

Annette Sykes, Haleigh's paternal great grandmother, said today that she sympathizes with Somer's family, and she still holds out hope that Haleigh can be found alive.

She is pleased that police initially looked in the landfill for Haleigh, eliminating that as a possibility.

Also Thursday, Sheriff Hardy announced a new way to send in tips regarding Haleigh. Anyone with information can send an email to haleigh@putnamsheriff.org.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147059&catid=3#

Disclaimer: I'm no fan of GGMS (or any of the Cummings enablers), but am posting this because we have wondered all these months about physical searches early on in Haleigh's case.

[SaraSidle]

Haleigh's Great Grandmother Reacts to Somer Case

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The recovery of the body of 7-year-old Somer Thompson evoked memories of the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings in Putnam County earlier this year.

The 5-year-old vanished in February and has not been found.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said during the first few days of the investigation that deputies also searched landfills, which is how Somer was found Wednesday.

Trash that was collected from southern Putnam County was taken to the landfill, but deposited in a roped-off area. Forty
sheriff's deputies went through the trash seeking clues, but found no evidence or clues.

Hardy confirmed that a garbage search is protocol in a missing persons case.

Annette Sykes, Haleigh's paternal great grandmother, said today that she sympathizes with Somer's family, and she still holds out hope that Haleigh can be found alive.

She is pleased that police initially looked in the landfill for Haleigh, eliminating that as a possibility.

Also Thursday, Sheriff Hardy announced a new way to send in tips regarding Haleigh. Anyone with information can send an email to haleigh@putnamsheriff.org.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147059&catid=3#

Disclaimer: I'm no fan of GGMS (or any of the Cummings enablers), but am posting this because we have wondered all these months about physical searches early on in Haleigh's case.

the comments on the article are pretty unhappy also.

[Nawny]

Haleigh case on Maury:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8oenktrOg

I can't take it... That is raw. Who ever that guy was that beat the chit out of Misty :beer:

[Nawny]

Petition to change sex offender laws:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/change-sex-offender-laws#

I subscribe! Whew! It's about time!

[lorettalockhorn]

Sexual Predators in Florida

“Trick or Treat”? Please be watchful this upcoming season. Amber Justice, Haleigh Cummings and now little Somer Thompson are either missing or have been found deceased. These are little lights that have been extinguished by the hands of a criminal mind. This should not be. http://asia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20091024/twl-us-girl-in-landfill-ef375f8.html Florida girl’s death

Upon a search in Jacksonville, Florida alone; there are 2501 registered offenders. When Somer came up missing on Monday, Oct. 19, 2009, there were 161 registered sex offenders within a 5 mile radius of Orange Park, Florida (suburb of Jacksonville).

Does the word Eunuch take on a new meaning? If the perpetrator would be found guilty (without a reasonable doubt) of a sexual crime against a female, then the world would have more harem attendants walking around as examples to anyone even thinking about such a heinous act.

eu·nuch (noun).
1. A castrated man employed as a harem attendant or as a functionary in certain Asian courts.
2. A man or boy whose testes are nonfunctioning or have been removed.
3. Informal An ineffectual, powerless, or unmasculine man. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eunuch

With Halloween approaching, how will you ensure your child’s safety?

http://www.examiner.com/x-25082-Jacksonville-Christian-Living-Examiner~y2009m10d23-Sexual-Predators-in-Florida

But let me remind you that Wayne Dumond who was castrated by a group of vigilantes in AR and was later convicted and served time, went on to rape and kill again. Read about him and that sumb!tch Mike Huckabee's involvement in his release from prison here, and remember the Guv's meddling the next time he runs for Pres:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/05/huckabee.dumond/

[lorettalockhorn]

Searcher convinced Haleigh dead

The founder of a search team involved in the quest to find Haleigh Cummings says he believes the child is dead and authorities will be lucky to find her body.

Texas Equusearch founder Tim Miller, who has assisted law enforcement in the search for Haleigh since February, says the group focuses on finding children who still have a chance to be alive. That no longer includes the missing 6-year-old from Satsuma.

"In no way possible do I believe Haleigh is alive," Miller said. "Haleigh's going to be just as deceased tomorrow as she is today, or next week as she was six months ago, bottom line. And I hope I'm wrong about that. But let's try to save the ones that just disappeared or that we have leads on, with people that are cooperating, rather than fighting with these families."

After traveling to Jacksonville to assist in the search for 7-year-old Somer Thompson, whose body was discovered in a south Georgia landfill Thursday, Miller immediately jetted off to Oklahoma in his to aid in solving another disappearance.



"You have to drop everything else you're doing if you have a chance of bringing another home alive, and we have to do that," Miller said.

As for Haleigh, Miller's hope is to give her "the funeral she deserves and the dignity she deserves."

Family members of Haleigh have a different idea.

"We fully believe she's alive," Annette Sykes, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, said Friday. "We believe someone will say something, or the conscience of whoever has her will get the best of them."

Miller believes 17-year-old Misty Cummings holds the key to finding out what really happened between 8 p.m. Feb. 9 and 3 a.m. Feb. 10.

"From being with Misty when the polygraph and voice analysis was done, she says she knows Haleigh is alive. And with the inconsistencies I heard from Misty nonstop, that means Haleigh is not alive," Miller said.

Cummings was babysitting Haleigh the night she disappeared from the Satsuma residence. Investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office have said inconsistencies remain in her story.

"I agree with law enforcement 100 percent," Miller said. "Misty does hold the key into Haleigh's disappearance and has information that could bring this case to a close. Who she's protecting? Who knows yet, but I'm sure the day will come that we will find out."

Cummings married Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, about a month after she dialed 911 to report the child missing.

The couple has since divorced, saying they were faced with too much public scrutiny.

Deputy Hancel Woods, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Friday the agency's search for Haleigh is ongoing, with more than 5,000 tips received since her disappearance.

"We continue to investigate tips that come in and are working on the case every day as we have since day one," Woods said. "We still have hope that we are going to bring that little girl home safe."

kchambers@palatkadailynews.com

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/24/news/news01.txt

[lorettalockhorn]

>>the group focuses on finding children who still have a chance to be alive. That no longer includes the missing 6-year-old from Satsuma.

>>"You have to drop everything else you're doing if you have a chance of bringing another home alive, and we have to do that," Miller said.

As for Haleigh, Miller's hope is to give her "the funeral she deserves and the dignity she deserves."


Why did Tim Miller go through so many machinations with Agent Donna and then continue to justify them including announcing the support of the board of directors?

And hadn't he announced that TES would be back to search for Haleigh after the foliage dies off? What has changed? :confused:

Don't get me wrong, I love this man and his group, but is his flip-flopping another case of just how this case is such a sh!t magnet?

[ErrinSpelling]

:seeya:>>the group focuses on finding children who still have a chance to be alive. That no longer includes the missing 6-year-old from Satsuma.

>>"You have to drop everything else you're doing if you have a chance of bringing another home alive, and we have to do that," Miller said.

As for Haleigh, Miller's hope is to give her "the funeral she deserves and the dignity she deserves."


Why did Tim Miller go through so many machinations with Agent Donna and then continue to justify them including announcing the support of the board of directors?

And hadn't he announced that TES would be back to search for Haleigh after the foliage dies off? What has changed? :confused:

Don't get me wrong, I love this man and his group, but is his flip-flopping another case of just how this case is such a sh!t magnet?
well to me,it sounds like tim is saying: why should he fight with families.what kind of people cause trouble, for someone trying to find their child.

after he got misty away from ron & saw that that was not the problem, he was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt,misty is the problem & haleigh is definitely not alive.
they have tried to destroy his work & look at all the problems they have caused for him.

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought that Tim was aligned (for lack of a better word) with Crystal's family and that there was mutual support there. I've never heard of any "fighting" or infighting going on in that faction; which seems much different from the Cummingses. I do recall that the plan was for TES to return to search for Haleigh when the foliage had died back, and as for searching for a missing person dead or alive, TES most certainly has been successful at finding both. If Tim is severing his ties to Haleigh's case, it strikes me that something has changed other than the Ron&Misty dramarama. Just last weekend there was a benefit concert in TX and TM was there and from what I remember, he spoke with Crystal and Marie about plans for another search. So what has happened in less than a week?

[Nawny]

Sexual Predators in Florida

“Trick or Treat”? Please be watchful this upcoming season. Amber Justice, Haleigh Cummings and now little Somer Thompson are either missing or have been found deceased. These are little lights that have been extinguished by the hands of a criminal mind. This should not be. http://asia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20091024/twl-us-girl-in-landfill-ef375f8.html Florida girl’s death

Upon a search in Jacksonville, Florida alone; there are 2501 registered offenders. When Somer came up missing on Monday, Oct. 19, 2009, there were 161 registered sex offenders within a 5 mile radius of Orange Park, Florida (suburb of Jacksonville).

Does the word Eunuch take on a new meaning? If the perpetrator would be found guilty (without a reasonable doubt) of a sexual crime against a female, then the world would have more harem attendants walking around as examples to anyone even thinking about such a heinous act.

eu·nuch (noun).
1. A castrated man employed as a harem attendant or as a functionary in certain Asian courts.
2. A man or boy whose testes are nonfunctioning or have been removed.
3. Informal An ineffectual, powerless, or unmasculine man. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eunuch

With Halloween approaching, how will you ensure your child’s safety?

http://www.examiner.com/x-25082-Jacksonville-Christian-Living-Examiner~y2009m10d23-Sexual-Predators-in-Florida

But let me remind you that Wayne Dumond who was castrated by a group of vigilantes in AR and was later convicted and served time, went on to rape and kill again. Read about him and that sumb!tch Mike Huckabee's involvement in his release from prison here, and remember the Guv's meddling the next time he runs for Pres:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/05/huckabee.dumond/

Thank you for those links Loretta. Things are charging up on these pigs. Our system needs a clue!
:beer:

[Nawny]

I thought that Tim was aligned (for lack of a better word) with Crystal's family and that there was mutual support there. I've never heard of any "fighting" or infighting going on in that faction; which seems much different from the Cummingses. I do recall that the plan was for TES to return to search for Haleigh when the foliage had died back, and as for searching for a missing person dead or alive, TES most certainly has been successful at finding both. If Tim is severing his ties to Haleigh's case, it strikes me that something has changed other than the Ron&Misty dramarama. Just last weekend there was a benefit concert in TX and TM was there and from what I remember, he spoke with Crystal and Marie about plans for another search. So what has happened in less than a week?


I'm thinking this family hasn't' resigned to the probabilities. It's common for humans to refuse to put closure on something they cannot see. Fear that a loved one is dead, isn't the same as knowing it, seeing it. Often it's been said that this is the actual reason for wakes and funerals. It's part of the grief process.

So it stands to reason that Tim Miller is the boogeyman, and he knows this. Any search team that is looking for a dead body would get a negative reaction from the family members most of the time. IMO. I think it's just easier for them to think she's alive, but their faces on Maury P told me they know she's gone. Grief is wicked. I imagine their denial is just prolonging the inevitable, as always.

Haleigh, have fun in heaven angel :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Crystal and Marie weren't on Maury. In fact I haven't seen them in a while and don't know if they've made an appearance outside of the benefit last weekend, and I don't think the video has been posted, but from what I read it was a positive (relatively speaking, I guess) experience. I can fully understand why Tim would want to distance himself from the Crazy Cummings Clan if they're going to go all Anthony on him with the insistence that Haleigh is alive, but TES doesn't just do live searches, they also do recovery. What has changed in less than a week that makes him want to step away from Haleigh's case? Have the Sheffields/Griffises asked him to butt out? Or LE?

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting article re: Cobra's involvement in Haleigh's case:

http://afterhoursfriends.com/?p=3749

[BeastofBears]

Obviously not every child murderer is a pedophile or child predator; just look at all the parents who murder for example. But if in the case of Somer Thompson's death, which may have sparked this particular convo and also in the case of Haleigh where there are so many RSOs in the neighborhood, you simply have to ask if the government is doing enough to keep tabs on offenders and if the notification process is efficient/sufficient.

I don't wonder. I just assume they are not. The government can run nothing properly. As always, good ideas, bad execution. We just have to watch out for our own.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't wonder. I just assume they are not. The government can run nothing properly. As always, good ideas, bad execution. We just have to watch out for our own.

Some agencies are no doubt better than others at preparing for RSOs in the community and getting organized and implementing notification programs, but the responsibility to protect our children is ultimately our own. And that's as it should be IMO. But it just seems insane that its not safe for a group of children to walk back and forth to school or anywhere else in a school neighborhood.

[BeastofBears]

Some agencies are no doubt better than others at preparing for RSOs in the community and getting organized and implementing notification programs, but the responsibility to protect our children is ultimately our own. And that's as it should be IMO. But it just seems insane that its not safe for a group of children to walk back and forth to school or anywhere else in a school neighborhood.

School letting out shouldn't be some pervs blue light special.

It'll get worse with the economy, too. My town just fired all the crossing guards because of budget cuts, so even they will not be out there watching over the kids. I always thought that was good, not just for cars, but for threatening people on the route.

[lorettalockhorn]

School letting out shouldn't be some pervs blue light special.

It'll get worse with the economy, too. My town just fired all the crossing guards because of budget cuts, so even they will not be out there watching over the kids. I always thought that was good, not just for cars, but for threatening people on the route.

AMEN. As far as I know all the crossing guards in our schools districts nearby are either school personnel or volunteers. And Leroy and I were just talking the other day about whether or not the schools do background checks on volunteers these days; they didn't when My Little Love was little.

[Woostock]

I teach in the inner city and all volunteers have to have a CORI. Also any adult coming into the bldg has to check in at the office and wait there. It didn't use to be like this but times are different. The walkers who live in the neighborhood, which is a very nice neighborhood, walk together and the parents take turn walking their children and the neighbors. Most kids take the bus but the walkers that I see are never alone. If I remember correctly the recent missing child in Fla had a long walk. I think it was close to a mile. I would not let my child walk under any circumstance today, unless with an adult. Times have changed and not for the better. In the teacher's room we have an album with sex offenders photos and names; just another layer of protection for our students which the police gave us. so sad.....

[lorettalockhorn]

Woo, that's great to see that the school and the community have so many checks in place. It is a different world for sure; we walked everywhere when we were kids since my father traveled a lot and my mother didn't drive and the biggest worry was the weather.

[wind149]

You know how I have thought for months that Haleigh ended up in the landfill and isn't it eerie how that Clay County deputy thought to follow the trash so to speak and they were able to recover Somer's body? I am wondering after going in a trash compactor how viable it is, but I am hoping it wasn't destroyed enough where they are not able to obtain DNA? Now we know they KNOW the COD and we don't need anyone telling us that she was raped, these b*stards, it is their primary motive to sexually assault the child, they don't take them to have tea and crumpets and I think it is a "Couey" or a wanna be. Now Haleigh. was not taken by a SO, she is in the landfill, and that is why that skank Misty is so confident that her body will not be recovered and I am disgusted that right off, like Clay Co did, that they did not search the dumpsters? I know they were thinking live child, but everytime we had a missing kid or an adult, dumpsters were searched, woodsheds, even wells, and I have seen them drain ponds and streams and go out in the worst weather in deep forests and they searched till they were confident the person was not there, but Putnam is a yahoo dept and not capable to handling this case and why is the FBI not more involved??? The right cop has not come down the pike yet to crack Misty.

Now I am surprised that Misty has not flapped her lips and blames this unknown POS who has raped and murdered Somer, and I am even more amazed that Cindy has stayed away, because I was so sure she would want to take this opportunity to garner herself more camera time, and I am betting it is not because it is the decent thing to do, I am wondering that maybe she did contact the family and they told her to get lost? These folks, are good parents and some are blaming the mama for letting her daughter walk home from school and I was like, that is not fair, usually the kids all walked together, it just so happens that day, that Somer got upset with another kid, and ran ahead, that happens every day, no one ever got pissed off at another kid before??? No these parents are not involved in their child's death at all and I sure of that. Now we all know how dramatic Susan Smith got in front of the media when she was running her sham, but Dena ain't faking her grief and anger and only has appeared on the media circuit to thank everyone and to vent at the POS and appeal to all who might have saw something that day, she is not hogging the spot light like Cindy has done from day one and is not wanting to go on NG and Jane and Geraldo and CBS, NBC, and ABC morning shows to get $20 grand.

There have been donation sites set up so people can donate towards the funeral and other expenses like she is gonna be out of work for awhile and she needs to pay her bills and also she wants money to help find her child's killer and I would be more than happy to donate to that and I would assume all of you would do so and if I find a link I will let you all know. I wouldn't send a dime to Ron if my life depended on it and I wonder how much money he got for his dead daughter, must be a goodly amount as he hasn't worked in months and unless his granny is supporting him, how is he feeding and clothing Jr??? I just wish Putnam has searched that landfill because I truly feel that is where Haleigh went to and is now more than methane gas and I seriously doubt she will ever be recovered. Now I could be wrong and I sure hope I am.