Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you Nawny.

I don't see Misty as a child either, and didn't even when she was 16.

It isn't about her age in years that bothers me, but the fact that she was living with a much older man (if you can call him that) and the entire thing was illegal to begin with.

And one of the things that blew me away was on one of the news reports. Her mom said something about signing for Misty to marry. It was something like..I know she's too young but decided to let her marry him.

"Let her marry him"? LOL. She let her live with him with no problem, then makes the supreme sacrifice of letting her marry him.

Who knows? Maybe when Ron was on bended knee asking for Misty's hand, he (erroneously) convinced the Croslins that the marriage would prevent him from being forced to testify against her.

[Etherealgirl]

Who knows? Maybe when Ron was on bended knee asking for Misty's hand, he (erroneously) convinced the Croslins that the marriage would prevent him from being forced to testify against her.

That very well could be Loretta. Or maybe they were just happy that anyone would want to marry her?

[Etherealgirl]

He went to the Stop and Rob and bought beer, ciggies and peanuts. Then he went home. Doesn't sound like an honest living earning man concerned about his family.

Stop and Rob? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's an excellent point. He wasn't exactly tearing the roads up trying to get home, was he? Especially after calling home a gazillion times and getting no answer.

[Marian Paroo]

Thank you Nawny.

I don't see Misty as a child either, and didn't even when she was 16.

It isn't about her age in years that bothers me, but the fact that she was living with a much older man (if you can call him that) and the entire thing was illegal to begin with.

And one of the things that blew me away was on one of the news reports. Her mom said something about signing for Misty to marry. It was something like..I know she's too young but decided to let her marry him.

"Let her marry him"? LOL. She let her live with him with no problem, then makes the supreme sacrifice of letting her marry him.

Misty was his mistress, and I have been using that word since day one.

It bugged me when Amber Frye was referred to as Petersen's mistress. Heck, he wasn't keeping her. She was holding down a job and left him as soon as she realised he was married, never mind realising that he was the murderer (which I'm sure she realised rather quickly).

Misty was the kept woman, exchanging a little light housekeeping, sex and totally incompetent at best child care, for a roof over he head and pin money.

[beemer]

Welcome Etherealgirl :seeya: I am sorry you had such a rough journey. So happy you came thru to the other side. I pop on this thread only periodically but wanted to welcome ya :seeya:

[beemer]

Fact or Fiction? I'll post it anyway
Letter supposedly from Nay Nay explaining what happened to Haleigh

http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nay-nay-letter-wm.JPG

[Amy]

...“We believe that releasing some of the information we’ve found out advances the investigation. And particularly the way that we think this will advance it is that Misty’s family now knows about this information that I’m telling you now about Hank. We hope that the family or maybe Misty by her own conscience, if there is a discrepancy, that if she was indeed not home or she wants to explain why Hank banged on the door, with no response we want to hear Misty’s side of that,” said Major Bowling...

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/New-details-released-in-Haleigh-Cummings-case/LUzL96-XdkaN3mv-O_qs6A.cspx

I wish they would make up their minds. I could swear that in one of the links Major Bowling (or @ least someone in LE) said that Misti's family has known this (about Tommy going to "check" on Misti) from the beginning. So, which is it? And, if they HAVE known all along, LE's releasing this information now isn't going to make any difference to the family. Unless they think they have to explain to the public (I don't think they give a rat's patootey about the public) now that the rest of the world knows they knew. Heck, Misti's family has been jumping ship before this was reported this past week.

[Etherealgirl]

Welcome Etherealgirl :seeya: I am sorry you had such a rough journey. So happy you came thru to the other side. I pop on this thread only periodically but wanted to welcome ya :seeya:

Thank you, Beemer, for the kind words and welcome!

[Etherealgirl]

Misty was his mistress, and I have been using that word since day one.

It bugged me when Amber Frye was referred to as Petersen's mistress. Heck, he wasn't keeping her. She was holding down a job and left him as soon as she realised he was married, never mind realising that he was the murderer (which I'm sure she realised rather quickly).

Misty was the kept woman, exchanging a little light housekeeping, sex and totally incompetent at best child care, for a roof over he head and pin money.

I agree, and I'm betting she had done the same for other guys, maybe not babysit, but probably the rest of the things you suggested.

[Etherealgirl]

Fact or Fiction? I'll post it anyway
Letter supposedly from Nay Nay explaining what happened to Haleigh

http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nay-nay-letter-wm.JPG

What if..Ron had illegal Oxycontin at home and Haleigh got into it and died?

Maybe she even died before Ron went to work and they cooked up a scheme to say someone took her.

That could be what Misty has on him and the 911 call could have been staged, because it sure sounded staged (at least to me).

And the reason Ron called 20 times was to see if Misty had gotten rid of her body.

And that's why he was in no hurry to get home.

Maybe?

[SuzDuJour]

Etherealgirl, I join the rest in honoring your strength and ability to survive...I also think you should write about your journey - you have a gift with words and it may bring you some solace and relief...when you're ready.

I also wonder if Haleigh got into drugs. The timing of the phone calls and fight at 8:30 is interesting, particluarly since she turned off her phone after that.

I'm a little confused about what time the g'mother was at the house - 7:30am or PM??

[Etherealgirl]

http://twitter.com/HaleighNewz

"The are now unconfirmed reports that Ronald has met up with Misty at Universal Studios. Waiting for confirmation."

# Misty's attorney confirms that she is vacationing at Universal Studios in Orlando. http://bit.ly/C2HGl (5th paragraph)about 1 hour ago from web

Vacationing? Well ain't that romantic? Doesn't matter they don't freaking WORK, lets go to Universal Studios, or better still, get a make over and some kind of plastic surgery-lift TN (that failed miserably to lift whatever it was 'spose to lift).

[Etherealgirl]

Etherealgirl, I join the rest in honoring your strength and ability to survive...I also think you should write about your journey - you have a gift with words and it may bring you some solace and relief...when you're ready.

I also wonder if Haleigh got into drugs. The timing of the phone calls and fight at 8:30 is interesting, particluarly since she turned off her phone after that.

I'm a little confused about what time the g'mother was at the house - 7:30am or PM??

Thank you Suz.

Since they are forever changing, I can't keep with any of the times as far as this case is concerned.

Turned her phone off...I just had a thought. What IF she didn't turn if off..she was just out of range? Maybe in the woods near that place where the plastic rose was found? She knew the rose was there. What if Ron was frantic wondering if she had done the deed yet?

What if my head explodes from all the garbage they have floated around masquerading as facts?

[SuzDuJour]

It just seems like a small amount of time - from the fight at 8:30 until the knock on the door at 10:30 (if we believe that...). I can't imagine she didn't call someone and say "what do I do now"... she doesn't strike me as someone who could cope with the arrangements of getting rid of a body.

[Etherealgirl]

It just seems like a small amount of time - from the fight at 8:30 until the knock on the door at 10:30 (if we believe that...). I can't imagine she didn't call someone and say "what do I do now"... she doesn't strike me as someone who could cope with the arrangements of getting rid of a body.

You have a point there. Plus how would she transport it?

And by 'it' I don't mean any disrespect to Haleigh. God only knows what all that little girl endured. All you have to do is look at where she slept to see that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Cummings' Brother's Story Corroborates One Police Theory

PALATKA, FL -- Police say Hank Croslin's story about going to his sister's home hours before Haleigh Cummings disappeared and finding no activity in the house, corroborates one of their theories about what happened that night.

Detectives say Croslin, Misty Cummings' brother, told them Cummings' husband and Haleigh's father, Ronald, called and asked him to check on Misty since he lived down the street. He says Ronald Cummings was at work and said he couldn't get in touch with his wife.

Croslin says he stopped by the mobile home around 9:45 p.m., Feb. 9. But detectives were told no one came to the door. Cummings has said she awoke at 3 a.m. the next morning and found that 5-year-old Haleigh had disappeared from the Satsuma home.

Cummings says she may have been sleeping at the time, according to Robert Fields, her attorney. Fields added that Croslin could also be wrong about the time of his visit.

"Trying to nail a time line down is one of those greasy pig issues," Fields says. He says currently his client is visiting Universal Studios.

Detectives spoke with Misty over the weekend, but would not reveal what was discussed.

Maj. Gary Bowling of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Hank Croslin's story marks the first time anyone has said they were at Misty and Ronald Cummings' home after 7:30 p.m.

"It is surprising that someone would hold that information," Bowling said.

But Misty Cummings is sticking by her story, telling investigators she was at home with Haleigh and Ronald Cummings Jr., who was 3 at the time. She says she was washing a blanket about 10 p.m.

29-year-old Greg Page of Palatka says he was with Misty Croslin Cummings days before Haleigh's disappearance. However, he told First Coast News Wednesday that he has not spoken to Misty since Haleigh disappeared and he has no idea what happened to the little girl.

Investigators have interviewed Page regarding the Haleigh Cummings' case.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=145447

Lawsy, Art Harris is on JVM saying that Misty is in parts unknown. Guess he doesn't believe Mr. Fields!

[lorettalockhorn]

It just seems like a small amount of time - from the fight at 8:30 until the knock on the door at 10:30 (if we believe that...). I can't imagine she didn't call someone and say "what do I do now"... she doesn't strike me as someone who could cope with the arrangements of getting rid of a body.

According to Etherealgirl's link 7:30pm is the last time that anyone (assuming GGMS) reported seeing Haleigh at home.

I think it's possible that Misty had someone there helping her get rid of Haleigh's body (if that's the case), and maybe that's where she was when Hank dropped by.

[beemer]

What the H/E/L/L is up with Liars and Universal Studio's :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Art Harris: Ron has told her "don't come back."

[lorettalockhorn]

What the H/E/L/L is up with Liars and Universal Studio's :shrug:

I'm ready for my closeup Mr. DeMille. :hat:

Seriously, what does one do at Universal Studios?

Never mind I googled it. Sounds like a dream vacation for a child or childlike mind.

Oh God help us, JVM is going to talk about Mackenzie and John Phillips' sexual affair. :eek: Why don't we have a blowing my brains out smiley?

[beemer]

Do u guys put any stock into Nay Nay's letter i posted? Is she reminding of an alibi? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Do u guys put any stock into Nay Nay's letter i posted? Is she reminding of an alibi? :shrug:

What letter?!?!?!? Must find!

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty was his mistress, and I have been using that word since day one.

It bugged me when Amber Frye was referred to as Petersen's mistress. Heck, he wasn't keeping her. She was holding down a job and left him as soon as she realised he was married, never mind realising that he was the murderer (which I'm sure she realised rather quickly).

Misty was the kept woman, exchanging a little light housekeeping, sex and totally incompetent at best child care, for a roof over he head and pin money.

Misty was his child rape victim playing mistress maybe. Except Ron wasn't married and it wasn't exactly a deep dark secret.

[SuzDuJour]

I found this - it sure lets Ron off the hook that anything might have happened before he went to work:

A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all. Ronald Cummings joins about 30 volunteers on horseback in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.

A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all. Ronald Cummings joins about 30 volunteers on horseback in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.
A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all. Ronald Cummings joins about 30 volunteers on horseback in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.

Sorry it won't let me copy the link - I found the article linked to another board.

[lorettalockhorn]

Fact or Fiction? I'll post it anyway
Letter supposedly from Nay Nay explaining what happened to Haleigh

http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nay-nay-letter-wm.JPG

Bombshell!

I can imagine Haleigh ODing, it's not like there weren't drugs around. Butlooks like Junior would have some memory of being at a party, and looks like it should be relatively easy for LE to figure out if NayNay was at Donnie's or if he was at home by triangulating phone records.

Of course the use of the word relatively is very relative.

[lorettalockhorn]

I found this - it sure lets Ron off the hook that anything might have happened before he went to work:

A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all. Ronald Cummings joins about 30 volunteers on horseback in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.

A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all. Ronald Cummings joins about 30 volunteers on horseback in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.
A day after detectives said they were following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been at home when Haleigh disappeared, the 5-year-old's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes, said she doesn't believe the tip at all. Ronald Cummings joins about 30 volunteers on horseback in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings.

Sykes said there is no way Croslin wasn’t home the night Haleigh went missing.

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. She fed them. She bathed them. Every morning when Haleigh went out to go to school, she looked like she just stepped out of a beauty shop," Sykes said. "Y'all don't know her. Those children love her, and she loves them. I know everybody makes a big deal that she's only 17, and that's true, but she's a lot more mature than a lot of people that I've seen and that I know who are 25 and 30."

Police said they received a tip that Croslin was out instead of home with Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother last Monday night. However, Sykes said that tipster was wrong.

"We have heard rumor after rumor after rumor that has scared the daylights out of us, and it was absolutely nothing but a rumor," Sykes said.

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.

Sorry it won't let me copy the link - I found the article linked to another board.

No, Annette. What is a crock is that even though Haleigh went to school looking like she stepped out of a beauty shop, she has no role models. And don't care to be constantly reminded of her and Junior eating a corndog on the porch in February weather. Cry me a friver.

[SuzDuJour]

Hi Loretta - don't put too much stock into what Mackenzie Phillips' says = she has had a different drug excuse each time she comes out of re-hab over the years. My brother knew Michelle Phillips and has said what a piece of work John Phillips was, but most of the family doesn't believe a word that comes out of Mackenzie's mouth...

Universal Studios...oh god. They just keep getting stupider and stupider, don't they?? I wanna to to Disneyland...

Acccording to JVM (I think, might have been NG), Ron kicked Misty out of the house, clothing and all...but then chased her down to apologize...so not sure what the status of that is...it seems unlikely he would go to U. Studios to tell her he's done with her?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Loretta - don't put too much stock into what Mackenzie Phillips' says = she has had a different drug excuse each time she comes out of re-hab over the years. My brother knew Michelle Phillips and has said what a piece of work John Phillips was, but most of the family doesn't believe a word that comes out of Mackenzie's mouth...

Universal Studios...oh god. They just keep getting stupider and stupider, don't they?? I wanna to to Disneyland...

Acccording to JVM (I think, might have been NG), Ron kicked Misty out of the house, clothing and all...but then chased her down to apologize...so not sure what the status of that is...it seems unlikely he would go to U. Studios to tell her he's done with her?

Ugh Mack, it's just TMI And do people really, really want to read this in People magazine? No matter to me, I don't read it myself, but don't want it on my TV either. Just ugh.

Interesting that AH doesn't tell us which night it was that Ron&Misty had this big blowup, but we did see video of them canoodling one morning supposedly after a big blowup. If Ron would get off his arse and go to work and support his son he wouldn't be able to zip down to Orlando to tell Misty anything in person, but it's interesting that he knows where to find her in a big ol town. hmmm

[SuzDuJour]

Maybe they should call in Psychic Detectives? Now THAT would be interesting!

I don't think there will be much evidence even if they find a body...and I don't think there will ever be any real answers from this clan.

[beemer]

Bombshell!

I can imagine Haleigh ODing, it's not like there weren't drugs around. Butlooks like Junior would have some memory of being at a party, and looks like it should be relatively easy for LE to figure out if NayNay was at Donnie's or if he was at home by triangulating phone records.

Of course the use of the word relatively is very relative.

This case makes my head hurt :eek: It lost me for a bit when the likes of Nay Nay and WBG etc. came aboard. Reads like bad fiction. I do come here for updates and cruise elsewhere. My head still hurts :D Gawd if Misty has left for good i sure hope "The Ronald" aint out trolling again :no:

[SuzDuJour]

One of the biggest points of confusion for me is Misty's poly, where she said

she didn't know where Haliegh is = 99% Deception
she didn't know what happened to Haliegh = 99% Deception
she didn't know who took her = 42% Deception

So she apparently knows where Haleigh is and what happened to her, but doesn't know who took her? HuH??? How does that make any sense at all? Unless there were so many people in the house that she didn't see who took her out the door.

[lorettalockhorn]

One of the biggest points of confusion for me is Misty's poly, where she said

she didn't know where Haliegh is = 99% Deception
she didn't know what happened to Haliegh = 99% Deception
she didn't know who took her = 42% Deception

So she apparently knows where Haleigh is and what happened to her, but doesn't know who took her? HuH??? How does that make any sense at all? Unless there were so many people in the house that she didn't see who took her out the door.

If she was busy making the beast with two backs, she might not have seen who took Haleigh out?

[Nawny]

What if..Ron had illegal Oxycontin at home and Haleigh got into it and died?

Maybe she even died before Ron went to work and they cooked up a scheme to say someone took her.

That could be what Misty has on him and the 911 call could have been staged, because it sure sounded staged (at least to me).

And the reason Ron called 20 times was to see if Misty had gotten rid of her body.

And that's why he was in no hurry to get home.

Maybe?


Oooooooo, now I'm hearing the twilight zone music. :eek:

[Nawny]

One of the biggest points of confusion for me is Misty's poly, where she said

she didn't know where Haliegh is = 99% Deception
she didn't know what happened to Haliegh = 99% Deception
she didn't know who took her = 42% Deception

So she apparently knows where Haleigh is and what happened to her, but doesn't know who took her? HuH??? How does that make any sense at all? Unless there were so many people in the house that she didn't see who took her out the door.

Whoa! Thanks suz. I hadn't seen that. But didn't Ron pass the poly? IF so that blows a few theories. That girl is a mess. Seems she put on some weight too. If you notice she was much fuller in the video when she bailed him out of jail last round. Could this little vacation be an appointment for an abortion? Just a wild guess.

[deacon]

Oooooooo, now I'm hearing the twilight zone music. :eek:

If that were the case they could throw in a couple of "felony stupid" charges after what ever else thy charged those two with. Oxycotin has very few uses. One of them is for felony stupid people to misuse for "the feeling". It is dangerous.(I looked it up and the side effects are horribe)

[lorettalockhorn]

If that were the case they could throw in a couple of "felony stupid" charges after what ever else thy charged those two with. Oxycotin has very few uses. One of them is for felony stupid people to misuse for "the feeling". It is dangerous.(I looked it up and the side effects are horribe)

I may be misremembering or hallucinating or something, but it seems to me like Ron copped to having prescriptions for the prescription drugs in his possession. Which sounds like an admission of sorts that he actually takes those drugs. Can't remember is Oxy was the drug being speculated about. :shrug:

[beemer]

I may be misremembering or hallucinating or something, but it seems to me like Ron copped to having prescriptions for the prescription drugs in his possession. Which sounds like an admission of sorts that he actually takes those drugs. Can't remember is Oxy was the drug being speculated about. :shrug:

Was that the drug Misty's father claimed he gave him when he accused Ron of trying to kill him?

[lorettalockhorn]

Palatka Man Speaks Out About Haleigh Case

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- A Palatka man is speaking out about his relationship with Haleigh Cummings' stepmother.

Greg Page says he and Misty Croslin spent time together just days before Haleigh disappeared. The 29-year-old says his mother introduced him to Misty shortly before Haleigh vanished.

Page told First Coast News, "The weekend before [Haleigh disappeared], Misty came over with a friend, Nay Nay, and we hung out and she left."

Page said he and Misty had a sexual encounter.

Misty has since married Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Page, who goes by the street name 'White Boy Greg,' has been interviewed by investigators several times regarding the Haleigh case and about his relationship with Misty Croslin-Cummings.

Page was arrested Tuesday night and charged with drug possession in Palatka. He told First Coast News police questioned him again about the little girl.

"They just asked me where she was at. I told them, 'I don't know,'" Page explained, "I said if I knew I would've disclosed that information to the cops."

Page added that he has not spoken to Misty since Haleigh vanished. Meanwhile, investigators are working on another lead.

Major Gary Bowling with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Misty's brother told them that the night Haleigh disappeared, Haleigh's father called him, asking him to check on Misty and the kids.

Bowling said Croslin told them Ronald Cummings had earlier called Misty about 20 times and could not get her on the phone.

Bowling said Croslin went to the house where Misty, Haleigh, and Haleigh's little brother were supposed to be. Croslin said the house was dark and quiet.

So does this mean Misty was not at home when she claims she was? Bowling said her brother feels she was not there.

"It is one of two or three very viable theories," Bowling explained. "It's a valid theory that she was not at home. This [information from Croslin] seems to corroborate that theory."

For a couple days this week, Misty Croslin-Cummings has not been at home in Welaka where she lives with her husband, his grandmother, and her stepson.

Responding to reports that Misty had skipped town, Misty's Attorney, Robert Fields, says she's taken a couple days to go to Universal Studios in Orlando with a friend.

As for Page, he maintains he does not know what happened to Haleigh. He said he never met the child, and he wished he had not met Misty Croslin-Cummings.

"It was a mistake. I wish I had never got caught up with that girl. It's been turmoil ever since," Page said.

CLICK HERE to read more about Hank Croslin's encounter with investigators.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145521&catid=3#

[lorettalockhorn]

Was that the drug Misty's father claimed he gave him when he accused Ron of trying to kill him?

...“Hank said that he regularly gets prescription pills from Ronald, including xanex and roxicet.”...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-ronald-cummings-tried-to-kill-me/#more-1743

[wind149]

EG, I too have suffered greatly at the hands of all people, a police officer and this made the New England news as I made sure this prick or die trying was no longer a cop or could be anywhere near a child and everytime even now, the dept he worked for, who has had a major overhauling and now there are good cops and a great Chief, if they see him with a woman, they warn her to not to get involved and when they ask why, these guys don't hold back, they knew what the former chief did to me as well as the dirtbag and it is like they are trying to make up for what this scumbag did to their dept and to 7 other wome and at least 4 little girls.
So sister, I feel your pain and anger, someday, when you are able, maybe you can share with us what went down, everyone here cares about each other and I have gotten good advise as well as a shoulder to cry on, basically, everyone here is more than willing to help anyone.

As for the new story that Haleigh died of a Oxy overdose??? Either this is the real truth for once or another person that is trying to throw Misty under the bus again or has a motive, like a get out of jail free card just like Hank is trying to get. What did I say about these scumbags? The Croslin's taught their kids to fear police and if backed into a corner or arrested, lie like hell and bring down as many people as you can with you. Now we do not know the identity of this woman who allegedly wrote this letter, and from what I was able to gather LE is way aware of this letter, but have not advised that they are honoring the validity and it is a go to arrest Misty. Now Teresa said something about Haleigh would not have willingly ate the pill, but what if Misty mixed into a soft drink?? You would not be able to taste it, as I have been on the liquid form of Oxy as well as the pills and it does not have any taste mixed with Pepsi.

I can see Misty doing this, she wanted to party and she was forced to take the kids with her and I am betting that she put a pill in her drink to make her go to sleep, and as brain dead as she is, apparently even though this was her drug of choice, she did not know that even a 5 mg given to a child would kill them?? This is plausible, but is it the truth?? And where the hell is she?? According to Art, she was supposed to hook back up with Ron tomorrow, but apparently she is now not going to do so. I felt bad for Teresa tonight, the poor woman is still holding out hope that Haleigh is alive, but imagine the pain she must feel that she is not willing to share with NG or anyone else, now with this latest tidbit that possibly could be the truth. I don't see how she can stand behind Misty now and must be imploring her son to not stand behind her either because the truth is about to come out, I am getting one of my guts, and I do believe that even that dumb broad knows the end is near and I just wish that she would just end this NOW!!

If Haleigh did ingest a pill and died, why the hell did she not come clean right off?? Because while I think in her teeny mind, that she loves Ron but fears him the most and probably thought if she confessed that she was partying and brought the kids with her, he would have been super pissed off and if she had told him that Haleigh had gotten into some Oxy and died, she probably thought that he would literally kill her. And he had to have known something wasn't right, this twit is responsible for your children and you try to call her 20 times and she would not answer due to the fight they had earlier, and unless I see a result of a LDT that Tommy took and passed, I would then believe that he indeed went there that night and found no one at home and that would surely blow up the rest of her crap stories right off the pier and furtherly boost this woman's claim and I wish I was a fly on the wall at Putnam, I am dying to know if they do plan on polygraphing him or do they think like I do, that he is just angling for a get out of jail free card and a walk?? And do they consider this letter and the woman to be valid???

As I said this is plausible seeing as how honey pie was just party girl central, according to "White Boy" the weekend prior, they really whooped it up, did the nasty, drank some beer, smoked some weed, rode around higher than kites, ate some Oxy's, a high old time in the deep south!! And that loser Ron trusts this skank to the care of his young children and if this b!tch confesses, he has no one to blame but himself as well as her. He has stuck by her when people are telling him to lose her and no one is worth the death of a child. If he indeed does not legitmately know where Haleigh is, and she finally confesses, he is going to go off, so Putnam better have her under lock and key when he hears the truth. And where do you think she went and how the hell are they supporting themselves?? She has never held a job and he lost his months ago, and who is supporting Jr? His family is not rich by measures, I mean Ron and honey have been bunking with Granny and I am betting she is on SS, so she can't be buying their ciggies and alcohol and probably Misty has still been Oxying?? I know he got what $12,000 from that woman in TX for Crystal's back child support, but $12,000 don't go far these days and donation jars are no loger up and running for them so who is footing the bills and the lawyer bills? Surely, these guys are not doing this pro bono?? So I sit here pondering this and I am beat, so I am signing off, good night kids.

[Nawny]

What the H/E/L/L is up with Liars and Universal Studio's :shrug:

ROTFL!!!!

Yeah and I'd like to tell you that the hotel prices there are pretty pricey! Nice eh? I guess you know that, you Disney putana! ;)

[beemer]

ROTFL!!!!

Yeah and I'd like to tell you that the hotel prices there are pretty pricey! Nice eh? I guess you know that, you Disney putana! ;)

LOL Yeah i can just picture Misty sitting in Casey's plush office with her feet up on the desk clearing her head :D Sorry i cant stop myself:shrug: Ya just cant even write this stuff-Lordy their all friggin nuts :cuss:

[beemer]

Anyone know who Misty is having her play date with? I cant keep track of friends who are currently out of jail :shrug:

[beemer]

I'm ready for my closeup Mr. DeMille. :hat:

Seriously, what does one do at Universal Studios?

Never mind I googled it. Sounds like a dream vacation for a child or childlike mind.

Oh God help us, JVM is going to talk about Mackenzie and John Phillips' sexual affair. :eek: Why don't we have a blowing my brains out smiley?

That would be Universal. I know O/T but i caught a blurb bout the Mac thing. Who in their right mind would publicly out that :confused: Must be a money/book thing. Is there anyone left with an ounce of intergrity? Stating it was consentual? Does she not have a son way past the learn to read stage :cuss:

[BeastofBears]

Misty was his mistress, and I have been using that word since day one.

It bugged me when Amber Frye was referred to as Petersen's mistress. Heck, he wasn't keeping her. She was holding down a job and left him as soon as she realised he was married, never mind realising that he was the murderer (which I'm sure she realised rather quickly).

Misty was the kept woman, exchanging a little light housekeeping, sex and totally incompetent at best child care, for a roof over he head and pin money.

Amber Frye rocked! Yeah, she was no mistress, she was the Angel of Vengeance! She must have figured it out fast, since she trotted right to the cops with her story and recorded his antics. I will never forget how wonderful Paris was, har! Thank you, Amber, you were one of Laci's best allies.

[beemer]

She sure was Bob and it sure turned that case upside down when she came forward. I felt bad for her for being so trashed for sleeping with Scooter on the first date. I wonder how many showers and how many months it took to get Scooter out of her system and her head :eek: Gawd those phone calls were just the best-classic. Luved it when he tripped over the cobblestone in Paris ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

That would be Universal. I know O/T but i caught a blurb bout the Mac thing. Who in their right mind would publicly out that :confused: Must be a money/book thing. Is there anyone left with an ounce of intergrity? Stating it was consentual? Does she not have a son way past the learn to read stage :cuss:

John's dead so the charges are irrefutable even if Chynna will corroborate them. And this is chit that belonged on Springer or Steve Wilkos, NOT People magazine or prime time TV. I don't doubt the dysfunction or the taboos broken and boundaries crossed, but what is to be gained here that Mac can't just handle in the privacy of her shrink's office? No way her children or any of John's grandchildren can ever escape this. You can't unring a bell. Just wanna puke.

[Marian Paroo]

Fact or Fiction? I'll post it anyway
Letter supposedly from Nay Nay explaining what happened to Haleigh

http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nay-nay-letter-wm.JPG

If she was busy making the beast with two backs, she might not have seen who took Haleigh out?

Nay Nay's handwriting skeeves me, even without reading the text (I'm going to try to enlarge it and darken it a bit before I try). There is something about those round letters that most of the time says something to me, and what it says, ain't good.

Love the expression "beast with two backs" and use it a lot myself. When I was younger, so much younger, I knew great parts of Othello by heart.

Having had some experience with rape survivors, including younger ones, I still can't see Misty as a child rape victim. Not as an individual anyway, maybe as a victim of an environment that teaches a girl that she ain't notin' wo/a man. Hey, would any of our parents let us go play house like that when we were teens? In her milieu in seemed to be a sign of success.

[lorettalockhorn]

Amber Frye rocked! Yeah, she was no mistress, she was the Angel of Vengeance! She must have figured it out fast, since she trotted right to the cops with her story and recorded his antics. I will never forget how wonderful Paris was, har! Thank you, Amber, you were one of Laci's best allies.

She sure was Bob and it sure turned that case upside down when she came forward. I felt bad for her for being so trashed for sleeping with Scooter on the first date. I wonder how many showers and how many months it took to get Scooter out of her system and her head :eek: Gawd those phone calls were just the best-classic. Luved it when he tripped over the cobblestone in Paris ;)

Amber was a great ally to Laci, because she knew when to do the right thing, no matter what and that took guts. People shouldn't trash her for sleeping with him early on, look how it served to prove what a chameleon he was; it helped the jury to see how he duped everyone while manipulating everything in his grasp. Last I read in/of his blog, his mother is still under his spell.

[beemer]

John's dead so the charges are irrefutable even if Chynna will corroborate them. And this is chit that belonged on Springer or Steve Wilkos, NOT People magazine or prime time TV. I don't doubt the dysfunction or the taboos broken and boundaries crossed, but what is to be gained here that Mac can't just handle in the privacy of her shrink's office? No way her children or any of John's grandchildren can ever escape this. You can't unring a bell. Just wanna puke.

I hear ya I'm still reeling :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Nay Nay's handwriting skeeves me, even without reading the text (I'm going to try to enlarge it and darken it a bit before I try). There is something about those round letters that most of the time says something to me, and what it says, ain't good.

Love the expression "beast with two backs" and use it a lot myself. When I was younger, so much younger, I knew great parts of Othello by heart.

Having had some experience with rape survivors, including younger ones, I still can't see Misty as a child rape victim. Not as an individual anyway, maybe as a victim of an environment that teaches a girl that she ain't notin' wo/a man. Hey, would any of our parents let us go play house like that when we were teens? In her milieu in seemed to be a sign of success.

Hate to sound like I'm making excuses for Misty (and I'm not when it comes specifically to Haleigh), but your narrow minded attitude about statutory rape makes me wanna puke. However considering that you've bashed women to hell and back, I'm not one bit surprised.

Misty is a victim in the eyes of the law.

[Marian Paroo]

Amber was a great ally to Laci, because she knew when to do the right thing, no matter what and that took guts. People shouldn't trash her for sleeping with him early on, look how it served to prove what a chameleon he was; it helped the jury to see how he duped everyone while manipulating everything in his grasp. Last I read in/of his blog, his mother is still under his spell.

Who was it that said, "a boy's best friend is his mother"? :shrug:

[Marian Paroo]

Hate to sound like I'm making excuses for Misty (and I'm not when it comes specifically to Haleigh), but your narrow minded attitude about statutory rape makes me wanna puke. However considering that you've bashed women to hell and back, I'm not one bit surprised.

Misty is a victim in the eyes of the law.

Well, I hope so. When I was her age, back in the early 70s, in most states a statuary rape accusation would be nulled by marriage. It was in a book titled Up against the law: your righs if you are under twenty-one.

And I don't base 'women". I've been around the block enough times to have lost my patience with dumb.

Have demonstrated against violence against women and been called a fat ugly **** (well, two outta three aint bad) enough times to know what reality is like. Have heard stories of women staffing the phones at rape crisis centeres here who have been called by women who said they were not raped, but wanted to know if the centre had a fund for paying for a private abortion that the could get for free through the health system.

Not chickening out, it's 7:31 am and I gotta git off to work.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I hope so. When I was her age, back in the early 70s, in most states a statuary rape accusation would be nulled by marriage. It was in a book titled Up against the law: your righs if you are under twenty-one.

And I don't base 'women". I've been around the block enough times to have lost my patience with dumb.

Have demonstrated against violence against women and been called a fat ugly **** (well, two outta three aint bad) enough times to know what reality is like. Have heard stories of women staffing the phones at rape crisis centeres here who have been called by women who said they were not raped, but wanted to know if the centre had a fund for paying for a private abortion that the could get for free through the health system.

Not chickening out, it's 7:31 am and I gotta git off to work.

Maybe I should have said that Misty was a victim in the eyes of the law. Won't surprise me in the least to see Ron charged with stat rape when this is all over (when and if it ever is).

And go back and read some of your posts in the cold sober light of day. Some of your generalizations are loathsome. I'm an equal opportunity basher when it comes to specific behavior, but you have an uncanny ability to single out groups of women in the pejorative and say what you will about Misty and all of her shortcomings, she is a victim not only of Ron Cummings, but her own parents, family and the system.

[BeastofBears]

I hear ya I'm still reeling :eek:

I know its OT, but geez...can't people just not spew everything? This whole therapy via media thing-old. How about therapy via therapy?

imo.

[beemer]

I know its OT, but geez...can't people just not spew everything? This whole therapy via media thing-old. How about therapy via therapy?

imo.

I know-some things the world just doesn't need to know. Save it for the therapist.

[beemer]

Night all :seeya: Lids are closing. Hope tomorrow can shed some light. I fear that this may never be solved. Even if they find Haleigh will there be any clues? Everyone involved has such a low trust factor :shrug: I take comfort in knowing Haleigh is in a good place :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I know its OT, but geez...can't people just not spew everything? This whole therapy via media thing-old. How about therapy via therapy?

imo.

Could not agree more.

[lorettalockhorn]

Night all :seeya: Lids are closing. Hope tomorrow can shed some light. I fear that this may never be solved. Even if they find Haleigh will there be any clues? Everyone involved has such a low trust factor :shrug: I take comfort in knowing Haleigh is in a good place :rose:

Oh gosh, and it's very likely a better place.

Finally watching NG with blurbs from AH and TJ Hart. Sounds like LE took NayNay's letter to heart, although I thought they announced new information came via a letter from a prisoner in another location. I do have to wonder how it is that Cobra intercepted that letter (according to what I read at BNN); don't letters go out in the mail? Isn't tampering with the delivery of mail illegal? Does that mean that the letter went out from the jail in some way other than the postal service? So many questions! So little time.

Sweetie pie dreams! :tongue:

[BeastofBears]

Night all :seeya: Lids are closing. Hope tomorrow can shed some light. I fear that this may never be solved. Even if they find Haleigh will there be any clues? Everyone involved has such a low trust factor :shrug: I take comfort in knowing Haleigh is in a good place :rose:

'nighty-nite! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Mother Teresa is wearing more war paint than Miss Nancy! :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Gumby on NG! http://i26.tinypic.com/bi8mec.jpg

Haleigh could have died from one or two Oxycontin, children sometimes think it's candy. If soft tissue exists, a determination could be made of ingestion.

[lorettalockhorn]

EXCLUSIVE: Joe ID'd In Jail Letter as Man Who Said "Haleigh OD'd"

The man whose name was difficult to read in the letter Kristina Rene "Nay Nay" Prevatt sent to her boyfriend from jail regarding questioning she received a few days ago about the disappearance of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cumming of Satsuma, FL., has been identified as Joseph Franklin Pytko.

An earlier attempt to decipher his name had it as a street name "Joe Psycho."

It has been confirmed by sources close to the investigation that Pytko is the man who signed a sworn affidavit stating that Prevatt, a party gal pal of the missing child's stepmom Misty Croslin-Cummings, was at a party with Misty, Greg Page (a man that Misty just had a weekend of sex and drugs with before the child vanished) and the children Haleigh and Junior the night Haleigh disappeared.

In his sworn statement--according to Prevatt's jail letter, Pytko said:

"Haleigh ingested oxycontin pills and died. Everybody freaked out and White Boy Greg (Greg Page) put Haleigh in a black bag and dumped her in a pond at the Mondex."

Last weekend, the L pond at Mondex was drained with no trace of Haleigh.

Pytko has a bit of a past with police and reportedly has had some issues:

"Police were caught in a two-hour standoff with a man threatening suicide early in the morning of June 24, 2008, forcing the closing of St. Johns Avenue until officers forcibly brought the man out.

According to reports from the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, dispatch received a call from a concerned neighbor stating that Joseph Franklin Pytko, 32, was threatening to commit suicide by shooting himself.

Deputies arrived to the 3300 block of St. Johns Avenue and set up a perimeter around the man's home."..

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/Picture%20letter.jpg

copy of letter at link can be enlarged.

[Etherealgirl]

One of the biggest points of confusion for me is Misty's poly, where she said

she didn't know where Haliegh is = 99% Deception
she didn't know what happened to Haliegh = 99% Deception
she didn't know who took her = 42% Deception

So she apparently knows where Haleigh is and what happened to her, but doesn't know who took her? HuH??? How does that make any sense at all? Unless there were so many people in the house that she didn't see who took her out the door.

Polygraphs are worded in specifics. Let's say they didn't know the manner of 'Jane's' death but they thought she was stabbed and asked the perp "Did you stab Jane"?

If Jane wasn't stabbed and the perp said "no" the perp wouldn't get as high a deception score, just like with Misty.

IF Misty took Haleigh with her somewhere, and they asked Misty if she knew who took her, then that would be a messed up question to ask, because Misty wouldn't consider her own self "taking" the child, the same way someone would come in and take her (snatch her).

This is one screwed up situation. I barely understand what I just said.

[lorettalockhorn]

TN getting to me saying that she thinks Haleigh is alive because she stands on God's promise and believes God will give you what you pray for. Kinda tearing me up. I know God hears out prayers and answers them, but sometimes the answer is flat out "No."

Ron's keeps his crying to himself (away from Junior) at home. Junior drew Haleigh a map to find her way home. :(

[Etherealgirl]

Haleigh could have died from one or two Oxycontin, children sometimes think it's candy. If soft tissue exists, a determination could be made of ingestion.

She easily could have died from just that much, especially since she had Turner's Syndrome and was already prone to respiratory problems.

But Oxycontin is nasty, patients hate taking it because it's so bitter tasting.

Maybe someone gave her just one (at the party), thinking it would only make her sleep, it depressed her respiration and killed her? It would have probably looked like she just went to sleep and they left her where she "fell asleep"? Then when it was time to come home they discovered she was dead.

Another thing is it makes most people immediately nauseous, so shortly after taking one maybe she vomited and some of it aspirated into her lungs (remember she has already has respiratory problems) and that killed her.

And maybe some of the vomit landed on her blanket and that's why it had to be washed (even without detergent). Misty brought her blanket back home because she knew it would be missed.

Or..maybe these things happened at home.

[lorettalockhorn]

$70,000 reward? When did it double? That would buy a lot of crank for someone willing to come forward with information.

[lorettalockhorn]

She easily could have died from just that much, especially since she had Turner's Syndrome and was already prone to respiratory problems.

But Oxycontin is nasty, patients hate taking it because it's so bitter tasting.

Maybe someone gave her just one, thinking it would only make her sleep, it depressed her respiration and killed her? It would have probably looked like she just went to sleep and they left her where she "fell asleep"? Then when it was time to come home they discovered she was dead.

I think it's likely that Perper may have been referring to people calling a medication candy in order to coax a child to take it rather than the taste being candy-like. Haleigh has frequent absenteeism from school and frequent doctor visits, so it's easy to understand that she was always at risk for illness, and decreased respiration could have been deadly. We've also read that she used a nebulizer and she also had a heart murmur, but haven't read much about how much it played into her current (at the time) health.

[lorettalockhorn]

This poorly written paragraph may top them all!

.."I believe my son," said Lisa Croslin, who has since married Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. "I know this will kill Misty when she hears it."...

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/113204.html#

[Etherealgirl]

TN getting to me saying that she thinks Haleigh is alive because she stands on God's promise and believes God will give you what you pray for. Kinda tearing me up. I know God hears out prayers and answers them, but sometimes the answer is flat out "No."

Ron's keeps his crying to himself (away from Junior) at home. Junior drew Haleigh a map to find her way home. :(

I saw that. TN needs to spend some time at St. Judes Children's Hospital and see the outcome of some the parent's prayers there.

I am a devout believer in God, and I know enough to know He doesn't punish us or our children. We punish ourselves and our children sometimes suffer for our mistakes. And sometimes things 'just happen'. Chalk it all up to free will.

I believe in the power of prayer and have never blamed God for anything and never will. I also know that sometimes death can be a blessing, and sometimes prayers are not meant to be answered because there are lessons to be learned.

And sometimes you have to learn to see the 'big picture', which takes years and usually means going through hell before you can see it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I saw that. TN needs to spend some time at St. Judes Children's Hospital and see the outcome of some the parent's prayers there.

I am a devout believer in God, and I know enough to know He doesn't punish us or our children. We punish ourselves and our children sometimes suffer for our mistakes. And sometimes things 'just happen'. Chalk it all up to free will.

I believe in the power of prayer and have never blamed God for anything and never will. I also know that sometimes death can be a blessing, and sometimes prayers are not meant to be answered because there are lessons to be learned.

And sometimes you have to learn to see the 'big picture', which takes years and usually means going through hell before you can see it.

Some of us will never see the big picture for one reason or another, but that's why I accept that the answer is not always yes. Can't believe that Mother Teresa doesn't realize that. If all prayers were answered in the positive, God would merely be meeting our often selfish demands.

[Marian Paroo]

Loretta --

If I said that Misty is a victim of her upbringing and background (which I do believe), you would probably just say I was a bigot and making judgements about someone's upbringing and culture because I don't understand it. Well, I've seen teens of Misty's age walk away from bad upbringing and into NGO children's shelters.

We all make choices and have to live by them. I made some bad choices at seventeen and am still paying for them, but I admit them and don't ask for anyone to be sorry for me.

Sorry-Charlie.

I have just lost patience with some people, and they do not have to be female. I can think of plenty of others that I am not crying for.

A large % of the poor where I am are fundamentalist and have never worked a day in their lives because that is part of their fundamentalist beliefs -- no work, only prayer and "study." They are very right wing and anti-socialism in any form, except for welfare and gov't health care. And they expect me to make extra donations to their charities for even more money?

Stars fell out of my eyes long ago.

[Amy]

Thank you Suz.

Since they are forever changing, I can't keep with any of the times as far as this case is concerned.

Turned her phone off...I just had a thought. What IF she didn't turn if off..she was just out of range? Maybe in the woods near that place where the plastic rose was found? She knew the rose was there. What if Ron was frantic wondering if she had done the deed yet?

What if my head explodes from all the garbage they have floated around masquerading as facts?

I can't remember now if it said it just rang, or went straight to voicemail-assuming they had that. What if she just let it ring and ring and didn't answer it because she just didn't want to talk to Ron?

[Amy]

I'm ready for my closeup Mr. DeMille. :hat:

Seriously, what does one do at Universal Studios?

Never mind I googled it. Sounds like a dream vacation for a child or childlike mind.

Oh God help us, JVM is going to talk about Mackenzie and John Phillips' sexual affair. :eek: Why don't we have a blowing my brains out smiley?

I was just thinking--maybe she thinks she will get arrested for something (about anything would apply) and wants one last "hurrah" before that happens? I do wonder who is financing the trip--doesn't sound like any of them would be able to afford it, and probably wouldn't if they could.

[Amy]

Bombshell!

I can imagine Haleigh ODing, it's not like there weren't drugs around. Butlooks like Junior would have some memory of being at a party, and looks like it should be relatively easy for LE to figure out if NayNay was at Donnie's or if he was at home by triangulating phone records.

Of course the use of the word relatively is very relative.

Bolding mine.

We haven't heard about what Jr saw or heard since the beginning where he talked about the bouncing couch and squeaky floor, and the man in black (or sometimes the black man.) And, that was what Crystal let be known. LE hasn't said what info they got from Jr, that I remember. BUT, IMO, if he had gone somewhere w/Misti and Haleigh, whether she was alive or dead, I would think "going somewhere" would have come up. Or, perhaps, he was so engrossed in the movie Misti put him in front of, or maybe had fallen asleep that he wasn't aware that Misti had perhaps taken Haleigh out thru the back door (that was propped open.) And, perhaps he had fallen asleep and didn't hear Tommy knocking (and maybe Tommy didn't knock all that loud, even tho he says he banged on the door.) We have discussed about how some kids can sleep thru anything.

[Amy]

No, Annette. What is a crock is that even though Haleigh went to school looking like she stepped out of a beauty shop, she has no role models. And don't care to be constantly reminded of her and Junior eating a corndog on the porch in February weather. Cry me a friver.

Just because GGMS saw them @ 7pm, does not preclude them from being gone from the house any time after that.

[Amy]

Hi Loretta - don't put too much stock into what Mackenzie Phillips' says = she has had a different drug excuse each time she comes out of re-hab over the years. My brother knew Michelle Phillips and has said what a piece of work John Phillips was, but most of the family doesn't believe a word that comes out of Mackenzie's mouth...

Universal Studios...oh god. They just keep getting stupider and stupider, don't they?? I wanna to to Disneyland...

Acccording to JVM (I think, might have been NG), Ron kicked Misty out of the house, clothing and all...but then chased her down to apologize...so not sure what the status of that is...it seems unlikely he would go to U. Studios to tell her he's done with her?

I was thinking that Mackenzie Phillips was so stoned thru the years, she probably doesn't have a clue then or now what was going on. I wouldn't believe a word she says, either.

So, did Ron kick Misti out of the house before or after the nauseating video of "lovebirds" from the other day?

[Amy]

Whoa! Thanks suz. I hadn't seen that. But didn't Ron pass the poly? IF so that blows a few theories. That girl is a mess. Seems she put on some weight too. If you notice she was much fuller in the video when she bailed him out of jail last round. Could this little vacation be an appointment for an abortion? Just a wild guess.

IIRC, LE hasn't confirmed anyone has passed or failed any poly's--just the people involved have said (of course, I could have missed that.) And, I don't think Misti would abort her baby, if she were pregnant. After all, that would even the playing field with Amber. And, would keep her "attached" to her "man."

[Nawny]

Before poppa went to bed, he told me about the letter. I thought he was talking about the grandma's letter at first. I was working on some stuff and didn't see NG. I had nightmares over it. In my dream I kept seeing a little girl being abused. Ooof! I was happy to wake up.

Between the Mackenzie Phillips stuff, Misty and the Haleigh stuff of nighmares, it's all so wicked!

I read the letter and all the posts here this morning. The letter seemed staged and deliberate. I was trying to understand why it was written, if not to clear her sorry self. Another "Dog ate the homework" story. That remark about slapping the fink in the face, was weak at best.

The most poignant thing about this case is Misty's attitude. I don't know what she was on when she was interviewed but she seemed to be cocky in every one of them. As if they were looking for a set of keys and not a little child. IMO. That first interview they showed where she said, through tears, "What do they want with a little girl?" Was first class acting, it seemed. Maybe Universal offered her a contract for a movie.

Misty is well trained and most likely grew up in the center of the central lie, as so many children who are sexually abused do. (Why she was attracted to Ron and most likely why she is promiscuous with every Chester the molester she meets.) Some young children with her obvious history grow up to abhor sexual relationships and some become so desperate for love that they lay down with anything. I don't know why such extreme opposite reactions. :shrug:

I do see the paradox in Misty. Half woman/half child. I'm going to venture a guess that she, like so many who have been used by men as children, has to anesthetize herself. Perhaps she thought it was normal to anesthetize Haleigh.
I have such little hope for her.
God knows!

Just my 2 cents worth of musings.

[Marian Paroo]

I was thinking that Mackenzie Phillips was so stoned thru the years, she probably doesn't have a clue then or now what was going on. I wouldn't believe a word she says, either.

So, did Ron kick Misti out of the house before or after the nauseating video of "lovebirds" from the other day?


For some reason I think I believe Phillips. That whole family was a weird scene.

Where can I see this lovebirds video? Darn CNN International for not picking up Nancy Graceless. As you can tell, I don't care for her that much, but at least she still covers crime. Well, it's back to the transcipts page for that.

So is or is not Ronald Stand[ing] by his Woman?

[Nawny]

For some reason I think I believe Phillips. That whole family was a weird scene.

Where can I see this lovebirds video? Darn CNN International for not picking up Nancy Graceless. As you can tell, I don't care for her that much, but at least she still covers crime. Well, it's back to the transcipts page for that.

So is or is not Ronald Stand[ing] by his Woman?



There is an Oprah site. I saw the clips this morning with Mackenzie Phillips talking about her experience and I for one, believe every word. She has nothing to gain with her mea culpa. She doesn't appear to be impoverished. The odds are she won't live to spend the proceeds of a book like that. She's rotted from the inside out. Her father was a POS. Another victim bites the dust. Another soul murder.:(
IMO

[beemer]

Great posts above fellow posters!!! On the Mac thing-I believe her too. I just wish we didn't have to know. Good to see your man Gumby back Loretta :hat: This letter thing is just so confusing. If they would just charge somebody we would get fact. I hope :shrug: Somebody please tell me Nay Nay does not have custody of her child. That nagged at me as i tried to fall asleep. If Misty was preggo my question would be who's the Daddy? Such sad lives being led in that town :eek: From what i understand with the Oxy there are different strengths like any drug. It is crushed and snorted to get the immediate hit. If just taken orally it has a slow release. Lord knows how much tho is too much in a child.

[Nawny]

Great posts above fellow posters!!! On the Mac thing-I believe her too. I just wish we didn't have to know. Good to see your man Gumby back Loretta :hat: This letter thing is just so confusing. If they would just charge somebody we would get fact. I hope :shrug: Somebody please tell me Nay Nay does not have custody of her child. That nagged at me as i tried to fall asleep. If Misty was preggo my question would be who's the Daddy? Such sad lives being led in that town :eek: From what i understand with the Oxy there are different strengths like any drug. It is crushed and snorted to get the immediate hit. If just taken orally it has a slow release. Lord knows how much tho is too much in a child.

I hear you on the Mac thing. And yet, why not? It's such a hushed subject that perhaps should be talked about for the sake of all the children who are going through it.

TOo many suicides, for the fallout of such an intrusion of innocence and its death defying. Mac committed mental and emotional suicide with drugs. She'll never be right. She's not the only tortured soul. There are books upon books that cover this kind of thing. THe only way IMO, to survive such horrible abuse is to give it a voice. I expect her to get bashed badly for it though. THe very thing a child feels when they are victims is that it is their fault. If not, she would have turned him in long ago. This is bad and uncomfortable to hear, but I'm glad she peeled off the facade and came out. It can't hurt more than keeping her father's secrets. Did I say "father?"

Like Emily Dickinson said... "If I can stop one bird from falling, I shall not live in vain."

Maybe she can save one precious child. That's just my point of view. :rose:

[beemer]

I agree with what ya said Nawny-maybe i needed to hear the whole interview. I guess it was her whole approach from the bit i heard. It just sent me when she described their sexual realtionship as mutual. It just gave it a whole new twist.

[Nawny]

I agree with what ya said Nawny-maybe i needed to hear the whole interview. I guess it was her whole approach from the bit i heard. It just sent me when she described their sexual realtionship as mutual. It just gave it a whole new twist.

Yep, that was sick, too sick for words Bree. :(

[beemer]

[/B]

Yep, that was sick, too sick for words Bree. :(

For sure-I hate the message that brings to others who have endured. Thats the part that made me nuts.

[beemer]

Holy shamolly i cant type today LOL Relationship :D:eek: Gotta fly to the hairbenders as Loretta calls em :beer:

[tv]

Who was it that said, "a boy's best friend is his mother"? :shrug:

Norman Bates. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta --

If I said that Misty is a victim of her upbringing and background (which I do believe), you would probably just say I was a bigot and making judgements about someone's upbringing and culture because I don't understand it. Well, I've seen teens of Misty's age walk away from bad upbringing and into NGO children's shelters.

We all make choices and have to live by them. I made some bad choices at seventeen and am still paying for them, but I admit them and don't ask for anyone to be sorry for me.

Sorry-Charlie.

I have just lost patience with some people, and they do not have to be female. I can think of plenty of others that I am not crying for.

A large % of the poor where I am are fundamentalist and have never worked a day in their lives because that is part of their fundamentalist beliefs -- no work, only prayer and "study." They are very right wing and anti-socialism in any form, except for welfare and gov't health care. And they expect me to make extra donations to their charities for even more money?

Stars fell out of my eyes long ago.

Oh, for pity's sake. Only an idiot would say that Misty was not failed by her upbringing and the welfare system. From what I can see of just the players in Haleigh's case, there is systemized negligence when in comes to minors in Putnam County. Doesn't make it excusable. Had Misty been in school all those years, forcibly or not, and had LE and The State not turned a blind eye to the fact that she was a victim of statutory rape while shacked up with RC, and had her parents been prosecuted for failure to protect, Haleighs life might have gone very differently. Possibly might not have been snuffed out.

Personally, I think Misty is low level functioning and very well may not be responsible for her decisions.

And yes, I've seen you make what I consider to be bigoted remarks primarily against women. Southern women. White women. Christian women.

MEH

[lorettalockhorn]

I can't remember now if it said it just rang, or went straight to voicemail-assuming they had that. What if she just let it ring and ring and didn't answer it because she just didn't want to talk to Ron?

I think that's what LE is working on now. Not sure why it's taking so long, but we learn that service providers can be somewhat reluctant to provide information. Kind of suprised that TJ or AH or Cobra or someone hasn't done some armchair sleuthing on where the drop off areas of Putnam County are.

I was just thinking--maybe she thinks she will get arrested for something (about anything would apply) and wants one last "hurrah" before that happens? I do wonder who is financing the trip--doesn't sound like any of them would be able to afford it, and probably wouldn't if they could.

That makes sense that she would want to get away before she gets put away. (Really think that she won't be arrested until the last minute so that LE can avoid providing information that would be released according to the Sunshine Laws). For some reason I keep picturing Misty and Leonard Padilla at Islands of Adventure or whatever it's called. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Bolding mine.

We haven't heard about what Jr saw or heard since the beginning where he talked about the bouncing couch and squeaky floor, and the man in black (or sometimes the black man.) And, that was what Crystal let be known. LE hasn't said what info they got from Jr, that I remember. BUT, IMO, if he had gone somewhere w/Misti and Haleigh, whether she was alive or dead, I would think "going somewhere" would have come up. Or, perhaps, he was so engrossed in the movie Misti put him in front of, or maybe had fallen asleep that he wasn't aware that Misti had perhaps taken Haleigh out thru the back door (that was propped open.) And, perhaps he had fallen asleep and didn't hear Tommy knocking (and maybe Tommy didn't knock all that loud, even tho he says he banged on the door.) We have discussed about how some kids can sleep thru anything.

Wondered for some time if Misty was dog tired from her bacchanalia, if she might have given both Haleigh and Junior a dose of benedryl to make them sleep. Guess if she was out of OTC drugs, she might substitute prescription or illegal drugs, at least for sassy, rowdy, non-compliant Haleigh.

[lorettalockhorn]

Shocking Allegations Made In Haleigh Cummings Case

PALATKA -- The search for Haleigh Cummings may have taken another dramatic twist.

A letter written by an inmate in the Putnam County Jail said Haleigh Cummings died of a drug overdose.

The letter was written by Kristina Prevatt, who is currently jailed on drug charges. Prevatt is an acquaintance of Haleigh's stepmother, Misty Cummings.

In the letter, Prevatt claims she was interrogated last week by investigators in the Cummings case. She also made claims that another acquaintance of Misty Cummings, Joe Pytko, gave detectives a sworn affidavit that detailed how Haleigh died.

"(He said) we were all over at a party at Chad's house and HaleIgh got a hold of some Oxycontin and died. We supposedly freaked out and Greg put her (Haleigh) in a black bag in my car, and we took her to a pond," Prevatt said in the letter.

The information in the letter might have led to last weekend's search of the L Pond at Mondex in Putnam County.

Prevatt also said in the letter that detectives took her car from a junk yard for DNA testing.

The letter was obtained by The Sky 97.3 FM News Talk radio in Gainesville.

Sheriff’s officials said they drained the pond because the water was too murky, but told the media various excuses as to what they were searching for, ranging from training to looking for drugs, to recovering stolen property taken from another nearby home.

Even if they were not specifically looking for drugs, searchers did find about 100 potted marijuana plants along the water’s edge early Saturday morning.

Finally, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy released a statement before noon Saturday that the search was, indeed, for new clues in the Haleigh Cummings case, though he dispelled rumors that they had found a body.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/24/inmate_says_she_knows_what_happened_to_haleigh_cum mings.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – BNN On The Radio – TJ Hart And Simon Barrett

Because of the huge amount of information that has surfaced in the past few days in the Haleigh Cummings case TJ and I have decided that another of our one-on-one radio programs is needed. The Haleigh Cummings story is becoming more bizarre by the moment.

The program is scheduled for Noon central, 1pm Eastern today, Thursday Sept/24.

This week has been so full of Haleigh Cummings misinformation that TJ and I decided it was time to set the record straight...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122365

Link to player inside.

[lorettalockhorn]

Palatka Man Speaks Out About Haleigh Case

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- A Palatka man is speaking out about his relationship with Haleigh Cummings' stepmother.

Greg Page says he and Misty Croslin spent time together just days before Haleigh disappeared. The 29-year-old says his mother introduced him to Misty shortly before Haleigh vanished.

Page told First Coast News, "The weekend before [Haleigh disappeared], Misty came over with a friend, Nay Nay, and we hung out and she left."

Page said he and Misty had a sexual encounter.

Misty has since married Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Page, who goes by the street name 'White Boy Greg,' has been interviewed by investigators several times regarding the Haleigh case and about his relationship with Misty Croslin-Cummings.

Page was arrested Tuesday night and charged with drug possession in Palatka. He told First Coast News police questioned him again about the little girl.

"They just asked me where she was at. I told them, 'I don't know,'" Page explained, "I said if I knew I would've disclosed that information to the cops."

Page added that he has not spoken to Misty since Haleigh vanished. Meanwhile, investigators are working on another lead.

Major Gary Bowling with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Misty's brother told them that the night Haleigh disappeared, Haleigh's father called him, asking him to check on Misty and the kids.

Bowling said Croslin told them Ronald Cummings had earlier called Misty about 20 times and could not get her on the phone.

Bowling said Croslin went to the house where Misty, Haleigh, and Haleigh's little brother were supposed to be. Croslin said the house was dark and quiet.

So does this mean Misty was not at home when she claims she was? Bowling said her brother feels she was not there.

"It is one of two or three very viable theories," Bowling explained. "It's a valid theory that she was not at home. This [information from Croslin] seems to corroborate that theory."

For a couple days this week, Misty Croslin-Cummings has not been at home in Welaka where she lives with her husband, his grandmother, and her stepson.

Responding to reports that Misty had skipped town, Misty's Attorney, Robert Fields, says she's taken a couple days to go to Universal Studios in Orlando with a friend.

As for Page, he maintains he does not know what happened to Haleigh. He said he never met the child, and he wished he had not met Misty Croslin-Cummings.

"It was a mistake. I wish I had never got caught up with that girl. It's been turmoil ever since," Page said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145521&catid=3#

[lorettalockhorn]

For some reason I think I believe Phillips. That whole family was a weird scene.

Where can I see this lovebirds video? Darn CNN International for not picking up Nancy Graceless. As you can tell, I don't care for her that much, but at least she still covers crime. Well, it's back to the transcipts page for that.

So is or is not Ronald Stand[ing] by his Woman?



Posted Monday:

Video (including the lovebirds):

http://www.wesh.com/video/21043768/index.html

[Nawny]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2209563/did_5yearold_haleigh_cummings_od_on.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Great posts above fellow posters!!! On the Mac thing-I believe her too. I just wish we didn't have to know. Good to see your man Gumby back Loretta :hat: This letter thing is just so confusing. If they would just charge somebody we would get fact. I hope :shrug: Somebody please tell me Nay Nay does not have custody of her child. That nagged at me as i tried to fall asleep. If Misty was preggo my question would be who's the Daddy? Such sad lives being led in that town :eek: From what i understand with the Oxy there are different strengths like any drug. It is crushed and snorted to get the immediate hit. If just taken orally it has a slow release. Lord knows how much tho is too much in a child.

Beem, I think it was Cobra who reported that there is a woman in Putnam County who takes care of NayNay's baby, but think I've read that the father (about 45 years old?! :eek: ) has custody.

Hope your trip to the bender boi is more pleasant than my trip yesterday. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2209563/did_5yearold_haleigh_cummings_od_on.html

Thanks! Interesting that Bowling is quoted as saying the letter isn't worth responding to, yet they spent how much time and money on that pond??

[lorettalockhorn]

Inmate's letter claims missing Haleigh died from drug OD

GAINESVILLE -- A handwritten note from an inmate known to associated with Haleigh Cummings' stepmother says someone is alleging the missing girl died from a drug overdose, FLORIDA TODAY news partner WKMG Local 6 reports.

Kristina Prevatt, an inmate known to hang out with Misty Cummings, who was in the Satsuma home in February when Haleigh vanished, sent the letter to her boyfriend. The letter became public when a Gainesville radio station obtained it from a private investigator.

The letter claims a man named Joe told authorities that Misty Cummings, Prevatt and a man named Greg were at a party when Haleigh got hold of some drugs, took them and died. According to the letter, Joe said Haleigh's body was put in a bag, which was placed in Prevatt's car and taken to a pond.


A Putnam County pond, located off Highway 19 south of Palatka, was drained last week in the search for Haleigh, who was 5 years old when she vanished.


Putnam County Sheriff's deputies said the letter is not worth a comment.


In the letter, Prevatt denies that she was at the party, stating that she was with at her boyfriend's house the night Haleigh disappeared.


Prevatt remains jailed in Putnam County on several charges, including possession of cocaine and cyberstalking.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090924/BREAKINGNEWS/90924003/1006/NEWS01/Inmate+s+letter+claims+missing+Haleigh+died+from+d rug+OD

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Prevatt remains jailed in Putnam County on several charges, including possession of cocaine and cyberstalking.

My inner yenta wants to know who NayNay was stalking. And speaking of cyberstalking, what about the nasty bits that Misty posted on Amber's and Cousin Joe's myspace pages?

[Nawny]

Thanks! Interesting that Bowling is quoted as saying the letter isn't worth responding to, yet they spent how much time and money on that pond??

I noticed that. :confused:

[Etherealgirl]

Where Did Misty Cummings Go When She Left Home?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

Misty was indeed in Orlando with the intent to visit Universal Studios according to her attorney and according to her mother-in-law Teresa Neves. Ronald and his son Junior were to meet up with Misty in Orlando today, but things changed after the media discovered their plans and made them public.

Misty is expected home today .

Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.

[Etherealgirl]

Nationwide Pickup Warrant Out For Mother of Haleigh's Stepmom
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5292416.php


Misty's mom Lisa has a warrant out for her arrest

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch


Also, Hank/Tommy bonds out today.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503

[beemer]

I think we all need to do some shots to continue following this saga :shrug::confused::cuss:

[beemer]

Beem, I think it was Cobra who reported that there is a woman in Putnam County who takes care of NayNay's baby, but think I've read that the father (about 45 years old?! :eek: ) has custody.

Hope your trip to the bender boi is more pleasant than my trip yesterday. :eek:

My gawd i pray for these children-thanks for passing on the info. My bender trip was hysterical read your message i sent ya ;)

[shadydaisy]

I think we all need to do some shots to continue following this saga :shrug::confused::cuss:

I'm starting as soon as I get home.

Has anyone started a power point presentation of this cast of characters with their bio's? I'm so confused - who is related to who? Who's in jail - out of jail - should be jail? We also need to breakdown every one's different story and cross reference.

Are they done at the pond or is there still activity there?

[Marian Paroo]

Has anyone started a power point presentation of this cast of characters with their bio's? I'm so confused - who is related to who? Who's in jail - out of jail - should be jail? We also need to breakdown every one's different story and cross reference.


I'd prefer an Excell sheet. PP presentations make me dizzy.

[shadydaisy]

I'd prefer an Excell sheet. PP presentations make me dizzy.

I do Excel every single day..... I should have written the book Excel for Dummies. Someone beat me to it.

*They* know when I'm about to go bonkers by the amount of color I add to each sheet.

[Marian Paroo]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]At one of the other places I hang we have a vBulletin board, but we can use color.

And I do. Believe me, I do./FONT]

[beemer]

For sure we need a who's who and who's where spreadsheet. Where meaning incarcerated or not and if so when and what for. Oh lordy i wish i had some shots here. Tomorrow is Friday i may go get some :beer:

[beemer]

I believe they are done at the pond. IIRC i believe i read it had been re-filled. Now i am going to just put this out there. Would there be Gator's in that pond? :eek: I just remember when my sis lived there she always said rule of thumb with her kids was if there is water assume there is a gator?? I shudder to think :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I think we all need to do some shots to continue following this saga :shrug::confused::cuss:

I'm doing double shots cuz I saw Gina Neely on axident after Barefoot Contessa was over. :eek:

[wind149]

Holy crap, Nay wrote the letter? And is she to be believed or is she now sending her BFF under the bridge too??? I want to believe it is true so maybe Haleigh's body can be recovered, but coming from this low life, I can see why Putnam has not exactly leaped on this because this dumb broad would do anything to get all the charges she has on her go away and since we are dealing with the low life mentality here, the validity is questionable at best. And this furthers bolsters my theory that Nay and this black dude helped Misty get rid of Haleigh's body and seeing as these losers all dug Oxy, I can still say that Haleigh given a fatal dose of it by Misty, in her intent to make her go to sleep so she could party down makes sense and might very well be the first glimmer of truth in all of this, but wouldn't these fools be charged with child endangerment at least??

And Misty could be charged with manslaughter as to the death penalty if it can be proven that she did not overdose Haleigh on purpose, and I am torn there. I have not, from day one bought the big love fest she and Haleigh had, I think she was jealous of the attention Ron paid his daughter instead of her and seeing as she is borderline retarded and far from mature, she would probably act like a child if Ron did not spend time with her so maybe, she did kill the child out of spite like we know Casey did. God, from people killing kids to entire families being wiped out, this world is going to hell faster than I thought. From GA to Il to FL three guys wiped out families including two of them that killed their own, and no one as a clue yet who killed the family in IL and once again, I find myself locking my door at night.

Seeing as I had neighbors, I haven't for awhile, but they are moving and they are OK neighbors, this house is huge enough where we live seperate lives and they are younger than me and dig kids, she babysits and he just lost his job so they can't pay the rent and I don't believe she has ever held a real job and probably wouldn't have the first clue how to get one like lots of women out here, jobs are for boyfriends and husbands, they stay home and calve out kids right and left, and between these two, they have six, he has 4 and she two and I am like, why does everyone feel they have to procreate out here? In NE, most people just have one or two or none at all, prefering to have a life like me. I have a friend who has never left the state and never even went to a concert in her whole life and she too was a stay to homer, raising six kids and her mama has 12!!

[beemer]

I'm doing double shots cuz I saw Gina Neely on axident after Barefoot Contessa was over. :eek:

LMFAO :beer: Can ya send me some-I think i have some wine and a bit of beer but i think this case requires the hard stuff ;)

[SuzDuJour]

Is there any other pond in the area? I'm also wondering where the party was and if that dumpster was close by?

Also thinking maybe Lil Ron said a man put her in a black bag, and was misunderstood as black man or man in black.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is there any other pond in the area? I'm also wondering where the party was and if that dumpster was close by?

Also thinking maybe Lil Ron said a man put her in a black bag, and was misunderstood as black man or man in black.

Suz, if you go to google maps and enter 212 green lane, satsuma, fl, you will see that there are ponds everywhere in the area. I tried to make a screenshot of the L Pond, but it didn't work. :cuss: I'll look around and see if someone else made one and posted it.

Meantime, Janie Weintraub was on JVM blathering on about NayNay's letter and saying that these people in jail who write letters to LE wanting to get benefit; that's all it is. Yes, NayNay has credibility issues, but would it kill Janie to brush up on the case? I guess Jane wanted to shut her up because she didn't set her straight or fill her in on the details.

[beemer]

Have any of you's heard of The Trailer Park Boy's ? It's a Canadian Show and everytime i see something advertised I think of these folks. I swear they are stealing scripts from each other. Only difference is no children missing. Lots a drinking,drugging,jail,sex. Folks up here just luv it. Well not all. Google it. I've watched a few episodes it got old. Now i cant cuz i am am waiting for this clan to pop in :eek:

[SaraSidle]

$70,000 reward? When did it double? That would buy a lot of crank for someone willing to come forward with information.

I thought it was 35,from tim miller and 35,000 from ron's dad??? I really cannot remember. I already forgot who Chad was. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought it was 35,from tim miller and 35,000 from ron's dad??? I really cannot remember. I already forgot who Chad was. :shrug:

Thanks! Found this from two weeks ago at examiner, it doesn't say a lot, but guess I've got some reading to do!

... An additional $35,000 in rewards have been posted...

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d8-Haleigh-Cummings-missing-child-case-update-and-Misty-Croslin-hypnosis-and-voice-analysis-videos

[lorettalockhorn]

Suz, check out the L Pond and all the other ponds nearby.

http://i33.tinypic.com/33emzom.jpg

Since this is across the river from Haleigh's house, I don't really consider it in the neighborhood as reported; it's not like Misty could easily put her in this particular pond by going cross country. And LE says neither body nor evidence was found. :shrug:

Running a little later watching NG, but she calls Teresa Neves a friend of the show. Is she blowing smoke up our patooties? Or TN's? Does she really not consider some of Mother Teresa's statement to be untruthful? And we saw a retrospect of her badgering Crystal about suggesting that Misty was on a toot, but she's sure as heck treating NayNay's letter like a real bombshell.

Is it me, but is Miss Nancy less shrewish lately the way she treats her guests?

[Nawny]

I think we all need to do some shots to continue following this saga :shrug::confused::cuss:

CRY LAFFIN!!!!!! :punch: You're killin nawny here!!!!!

[Nawny]

I noticed NG is using her edit buttons a little more than usual. There are a few ticking time bombs in this case (Potential suicides) and I'm sure she doesn't want to go back to court in a libel suit, since that young woman committed suicide the night after being on NG. NG verbally slaughtered the girl. CRS disorder prevents me from remembering her name. She claimed her baby was kidnapped and was then accused of murdering the child? Anyone?

Anyway, Misty is unstable, so is Crystal, Ron and TN. Heaven knows what can come about as the case unfolds. NG needs to keep her pie hole edited. She's not good with this case and nothing she says is for the greater good. LE IMO has been trying to get to the bottom of this case and unlike the Ants and their team of mighty men, this bunch isn't forgetting that the media can trip up the investigation. IMO

I don't know nuthin, but if I know one thing, I know that if we can see right through Misty Cummings, then LE can run through her.

[SuzDuJour]

Thanks for the pond pic, Lo - they sure can't drain them all, can they?

Trenton Duckett was the child whose mother killed herself...was it Melinda Duckett or something like that.

I think NG is being nice to TN because she made her cry last night. NG seemed to notice and actually tempered herself. I think her 'mommy' instincts kicked in and she realized this a grandma in pain, regardless of her support of Misty (which I'll NEVER understand...)

[lorettalockhorn]

Deputies seek public’s help in HaLeigh case

New speculation in the case of missing HaLeigh Cummings centers on a jailhouse letter from an acquaintance of Misty Cummings saying she was questioned by police who were told the 5-year-old died from drugs she took during a party.

William “Cobra” Staubs, a private investigator and bounty hunter, provided a copy of the letter to the Florida Times-Union, the Record’s sister newspaper. He said it’s from 19-year-old Kristina Renee “Naynay” Prevatt, who was partying with Misty Cummings the weekend before Haleigh disappeared.

Prevatt is in jail on several charges including drugs, smuggling contraband into jail and cyber-stalking and harassment.

Staubs is an associate of a former lawyer in the case on Haleigh’s mother’s side. He once bailed Prevatt out of jail and returned her for breaking conditions of her release.

The letter is to her boyfriend Donnie and is dated Sept. 18 and signed Love (a heart outline) Always Naynay.

It states that she got interrogated again in the case and was told a friend of Donnie wrote a sworn affidavit about what happened the night the 5-year-old disappeared.

It said she was at a party with Misty, Haleigh, Junior (Haleigh’s brother) and a young man. It says HaLeigh got into some Oxycontin and overdosed. The young man allegedly put HaLeigh in a black bag in Prevatt’s car, and they took her to a pond.

Her car also was taken from the junkyard to search for evidence, the letter to Donnie said.

Why would he make something like that up and put her in the middle of a homicide investigation, the letter asked in angrier terms. “You know I was with you that night!”

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office hasn’t confirmed anything. HaLeigh has been missing since Misty Cummings, 17, last saw her Feb. 9. Investigators recently drained a pond off Florida 19, but the Sheriff’s Office said no evidence was found.

The young man, who has a history of drug arrests, was booked again Tuesday on charges of cocaine and marijuana possession. He was released on $1,500 bail. On the weekend before HaLeigh disappeared during a night of partying and drugs, the young man said he hooked up with Misty Cummings (then Misty Croslin) with the help of Prevatt after her fight with Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings.

http://news.staugustine.com/news/2009/09/24/jailhouse-letter-adds-new-wrinkle-in-haleigh-case/

Video at link.

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought it was 35,from tim miller and 35,000 from ron's dad??? I really cannot remember. I already forgot who Chad was. :shrug:

Duh me, there are two Chads that I can think of: Crystal's fiance Chad Griffis and Chad Reynolds the RSO who (to the best of my knowledge) hasn't been seen or heard from since around the beginning of February, but before Haleigh went missing (IIRC).

[lorettalockhorn]

Ran across this mentioned on another website;listen to around the 5:45 mark and Ron says (aside to Misty) something along the lines of "she had nothing to do with this, we're fvcked, I had nothing to do with this". Who is he talking to? But the timer on the video backtracks. I'd bet it's Ron's voice, but not sure about the timer. :shrug:<< My friend Putnam Putz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMkLE5fhk0

[wind149]

Holy sheep sh!t now Mrs Croslin has a warrant out for her arrest for forgery in TN?? Hell. they have only lived there a few weeks and already one of this scum family has now committed another felony??? Who is next? Daddy gonna get picked up for a crime too?? Now we all know that this family has taught their kids to not respect the law and to steal, cheat, lie, assault, sexual assault (if Misty is to be believed on that, but it would not surprise me any) and do lots of dope legal or otherwise so you can see why Misty never stood a chance either and a talking head said that by she living with Ron, has been the first stable home that she has lived in and really as far as trailers go, that one is not in that bad a shape, videos of the home saw on NG, it was clean, but I am wondering if it was like that all the time as Teresa told the reporter that she and Granny came over and cleaned it right after police were done with it and Misty does not strike me as being a good housekeeper and I have visions of tons of dirty, scummy dishes, dirty floors, dirty, stinky bathroom and the laundry room piled high with dirty clothes??

I am a natural neat freak, a place for everything and every thing in it's place. You should see how I outfitted my car. New everything, it cost me about $800 to repair it properly, but the guy I bought it from did not lie, he told me what was wrong with it, like I had to have new brakes, and muffler and straight pipe, plugs and oil filter and air filter and a few fuses and the car is running in tip top shape!! I love it, it might be an older car, but it is so clean, no rust anywhere on it and even the underside was not that rusted, if the car had been a rust bucket I never would have bought it and the price was right!!! It will get up and go and the mechanics who worked on it said for a 15 year old car, it is in excellent shape and I think it is because it never saw any MI winters and I plan on having it undercoated very shortly. I bought seat covers and floor mats in a pale gray as the car is a deep blue and yesterday I had it hand washed and waxed and it gleams, some of my friends said they wish they had spotted it first!! The best part? NO freaking payment!!!

Back to Misty. Now she needs to come clean before everyone in Satsuma turns on her and if she loses the Scummings support, she is done for and it is lonely at the bottom, especially sitting in a jial cell locked up 24/7 like Casey is and she is going to do time, regardless if she killed her accidently or with malice and she KNOWS it, so she is holding out hope that LE will just forget about her, but the voice stress test guy was on NG and he could tell right off that she was lying through her tooth, totally stressed out and let's not forget that she has flunked three LDT's so what is LE waiting for??? Now I read on WJXT that the Chief is all pissed off at NG for releasing the letter contents to the public and calls her show. "tabloid TV" and at times, I can very well agree with that. especially when she lobs off the BOMBSHELLS!!!

And I was not impressed the way she treated Crystal, she won't win mommy of the year anytime soon, but her treatment of her was downright rude and nasty and I am wondering if HLN has told her to back it down because I know for a fact that people have complained to the network about how she treats her guests and others that she interviews as my cousin works for TMZ and they hate her guts and he thinks she is a total asshole and says she is a nasty little cold hearted person??? And she did treat Ms Duckett pretty bad, but I don't hold NG responsible for her suicide, it might have contributed to it, but that broad too killed her little boy and unlike Casey and Misty, she could not live with herself and she knew where her ass was going for the rest of her life and she was selfish right to the end. And I do not believe that little boy's body will ever be found, it has been what three years???

What is up with these broads killing their kids? Remember how horrified we all were when we heard about Susan Smith??? For 9 days she ran the spin that a black man car jacked her car and took off with the kids and even that first day, to me that did not sound plausible, because the dude would just want the car and not the liability of having two little white kids with him, he would have told her to get out and take the kids with her??? And then the ugly truth came out and I remembered just freaking out, my ex came into the house thinking I was hurt because I was screaming and he too, was as horrified as I was and he was not that demonstrative when it came to people and he hates kids so I was surprised at his reaction and my mother-in-law called just a freaking out and then my sister, it was awful. Now we have several women who have killed their kids from putting them in microwaves to beating them to death, to stabbing and shooting them to death, it is beyond sickening.

[SaraSidle]

Duh me, there are two Chads that I can think of: Crystal's fiance Chad Griffis and Chad Reynolds the RSO who (to the best of my knowledge) hasn't been seen or heard from since around the beginning of February, but before Haleigh went missing (IIRC).

well that cleared up a lot loretta thanks. the only chad I remembered was Crystal's fiance and I could not picture him partying with misti. whew

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought it was 35,from tim miller and 35,000 from ron's dad??? I really cannot remember. I already forgot who Chad was. :shrug:

Okay, Errin (is she on tonight?) pointed out to me that the amount that Tim Miller's friend anted up (in Ron's name for ?Larry?) is $35,000. Is that what the media (NG in particular?) is adding to the longstanding $35,000 reward?

[lorettalockhorn]

well that cleared up a lot loretta thanks. the only chad I remembered was Crystal's fiance and I could not picture him partying with misti. whew

Well, this is Florida. Maybe it's the infamous hanging Chad?!?

[One2Snoop]

At one of the other places I hang we have a vBulletin board, but we can use color.

And I do. Believe me, I do.

You can use color here too - unfortunately it's screwed up somehow when updates where done awhile back. You can hand type in the code
[ color=red] text [ /color] I put a space in the brackets to show you how to do it.

I've also found if you make a post and go back and edit the color option is available that way. Go figure. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

I'm starting as soon as I get home.

Has anyone started a power point presentation of this cast of characters with their bio's? I'm so confused - who is related to who? Who's in jail - out of jail - should be jail? We also need to breakdown every one's different story and cross reference.

Are they done at the pond or is there still activity there?

Me too - my head is spinning trying to keep up with all this.

[lorettalockhorn]

Woman Drops Off Haleigh Cummings 'Tip' at Newspaper

ST. AUGUSTINE, FL -- Putnam County authorities are looking for the woman who dropped off a letter at the St. Augustine Record Newspaper on Wednesday afternoon.

The associate editor of the newspaper said it contained a tip regarding the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

Detectives want to talk to the woman, who did not identify herself in the letter. They are asking for the public's help.

The surveillance video shows it took just a few seconds for the blonde woman in blue scrubs to give a newspaper receptionist the letter.

"My name, and the paper's name, and address was on the envelope, sealed," said Richard Prior, Associate Editor for the St. Augustine Record.

"It could go a long way to solving what happened," said Prior.

Prior tells First Coast News Reporter Monica Landeros that he made a copy of the letter, and gave the original to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

"They're looking at letter and envelope for fingerprints," said Prior.

He can't reveal what the letter says. However, Prior said it is one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials.

"If the information is accurate, it's going to be pretty volatile," said Prior.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is not commenting on the letter but released the video in hopes that someone would recognize the woman wearing sunglasses.

"The person needs to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office so they can determine if there's any validity to the information," said Prior.

Prior said he cannot reveal what the letter says because it could hurt the Haleigh Cummings investigation.

However, prior said at some point, he would like to reveal the details in a newspaper article...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145604&catid=3#

[lorettalockhorn]

Jailhouse letter says woman asked by cops about possible Haleigh Cummings overdose

Inmate denies involvement; Putnam chief deputy calls media 'irresponsible'

Speculations in an emotion-provoking jailhouse letter suggesting still-missing Haleigh Cummings died from drugs taken at a party have stung family members of the little girl and have been known to investigators for weeks or more but remain unproven.


Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said the letter was of “no significance” and that the allegations had been investigated.


He said detectives were aware of parties but not one in which Haleigh was harmed.


William “Cobra” Staubs, a private investigator and bounty hunter, provided a copy of the letter to the Times-Union. He said it’s from 19-year-old Kristina Renee “Naynay” Prevatt, who was partying with Misty Cummings the weekend before Haleigh disappeared.


Staubs is an associate of a former lawyer in the case on Haleigh’s mother’s side. He once bailed Prevatt out of jail and returned her for breaking conditions of her release.


In the page-long Sept. 18 letter to the father of her daughter, Prevatt said she was questioned by police who were told the 5-year-old died from Oxycontin she took during a party.


The letter to her boyfriend, Donnie Spells, is signed Love (a heart outline) Always Naynay.
Prevatt is in jail on several charges including drugs, smuggling contraband into jail and cyber-stalking and harassment.


The letter states that she was interrogated again in the case and was told a friend of Spells wrote a sworn affidavit about what happened the night the 5-year-old disappeared. Some of the names are not being published by the Times-Union on the advice of the newspaper’s lawyers.


It said she was at a party with Misty, Haleigh, Junior (Haleigh’s brother) and a male friend at another man’s house. It says Haleigh got into some Oxycontin and overdosed. The male friend put her in a black bag in Prevatt’s car and they took her to a pond, the letter said.


The allegations relayed in the letter are among the “many theories” investigators have checked, Ryan said.


“We have been in close contact with all the associates of Misty,” he said.


Ryan said investigators were not aware of a particular party mentioned where the 5-year-old may have ingested drugs.


“If anybody knows about this so-called party, we would like to know,” he said. “This group of folks were a party crowd.”


Diane Prevatt said her daughter, Kristina Prevatt, wrote her a letter similar to the one sent to Spells.


Her daughter has also told her she was not involved with what happened, was not at the Cummings mobile home and did not pick Misty up the night Haleigh disappeared.


The mother said Naynay and Misty were at Diane Prevatt’s residence the Friday before Haleigh vanished. She said Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, came by three times wanting to see Misty, who was asleep.


When he was not allowed inside, he returned with Misty’s clothes and threw them outside, Diane Prevatt said.


The latest barrage of allegations and stories has family members of the missing girl in disbelief and sadness.


Her great-grandmother, Annette Sykes, said Haleigh had to take medication for respiratory problems and didn’t like it.


“It was hard to get her to take medicine with a good flavor to it,” she said. “She didn’t like pills.”
Sykes said she does not believe there was a party.


“I just don’t put much stock in the letter,” she said.


Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, said she was told by a deputy that the letter was meaningless. She said it was still worrying.


“That’s really bothering me,” she said. “I couldn’t sleep last night. I’ve been pretty much crying last night and this morning.”


Other parts of the letter describe detectives taking Prevatt’s car from a junk yard for processing by evidence technicians.


In an angrier tone the letter to Spells questioned why would the friend make something like that up and put her in the middle of a homicide investigation.


“You know I was with you that night!” the letter said.


Ryan said the car seizure was done weeks ago but would not discuss what was found.


“Everything that is in this letter is in the past,” he said. “Everything we get we consider credible until we verify it is not,” he said.


Haleigh has been missing since Misty Cummings, 17, last saw her Feb. 9. Investigators recently drained a pond off Florida 19 but the Sheriff’s Office said no evidence was found.


Misty Cummings’ attorney reiterated Thursday that his client was home the day Haleigh disappeared.


“Misty was not at a party,” Robert Fields said. “Misty was there that night at the house. There’s not going to be anything pointing to her at all.”


Ryan said releasing the letter to the media was wrong.


“We’ve been responding to drama and rumor control,” he said. “I think it was irresponsible. They basically killed this child off on national television.”


“We are still investigating this as if this child is alive,” Ryan said.


In other twists, Misty Croslin’s brother was released from the Putnam County jail Thursday on $5,000 bail on an unrelated grand theft charge involving a gun. Also Thursday, his mother was arrested in Tennessee on three fraud and forgery charges related to the same theft case, Ryan said.


And Thursday afternoon the Sheriff’s Office said it is seeking information on a woman who left an envelope containing information about the case at the offices of the St. Augustine Record. She dropped it off about 3 p.m. then disappeared.


A video of her can be seen with the story on jacksonville.com.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-09-24/story/jailhouse_letter_says_woman_asked_by_cops_about_po ssible_haleigh_c#

[lorettalockhorn]

>>he returned with Misty’s clothes and threw them outside

Well. Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior.

>>Sykes said she does not believe there was a party.

Really Annette, when is there not a party in Putnam County? Do tell!

[lorettalockhorn]

Shamelessly stolen from the AH forum, sorry no link:

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[Amy]

She easily could have died from just that much, especially since she had Turner's Syndrome and was already prone to respiratory problems.

But Oxycontin is nasty, patients hate taking it because it's so bitter tasting.

Maybe someone gave her just one (at the party), thinking it would only make her sleep, it depressed her respiration and killed her? It would have probably looked like she just went to sleep and they left her where she "fell asleep"? Then when it was time to come home they discovered she was dead.

Another thing is it makes most people immediately nauseous, so shortly after taking one maybe she vomited and some of it aspirated into her lungs (remember she has already has respiratory problems) and that killed her.

And maybe some of the vomit landed on her blanket and that's why it had to be washed (even without detergent). Misty brought her blanket back home because she knew it would be missed.

Or..maybe these things happened at home.

Bolding mine.

I keep going back to Jr. The only statement(s) from him that has been made public makes is sound like they were in the house. It just seems to me that, if the kids had left the house, he would have mentioned that @ some time. That is, if he were awake during the going and coming and the party itself. Perhaps both were given something to keep them asleep during the party, and. luckily for him, he STAYED asleep, where maybe Haleigh didn't?
:shrug:

[Amy]

Beem, I think it was Cobra who reported that there is a woman in Putnam County who takes care of NayNay's baby, but think I've read that the father (about 45 years old?! :eek: ) has custody.

Hope your trip to the bender boi is more pleasant than my trip yesterday. :eek:

I also seem to remember that NayNay does not have custody of her baby, and Amber's grandmother has custody of hers. It stands to reason that someone else would have those babies, as neither seems to be home often enough to give them a bath or even change a diaper, what with the amount of time they seem to spend partying and in the klink. IMO.

[Amy]

I'm starting as soon as I get home.

Has anyone started a power point presentation of this cast of characters with their bio's? I'm so confused - who is related to who? Who's in jail - out of jail - should be jail? We also need to breakdown every one's different story and cross reference.

Are they done at the pond or is there still activity there?

Bolding mine.

Sometimes it seems the doors to the jail revolve so fast that it would be hard to be current about who is in and who is out. About the time it's reported someone is out-s/he is back in!!!;)

[Amy]

Is there any other pond in the area? I'm also wondering where the party was and if that dumpster was close by?

Also thinking maybe Lil Ron said a man put her in a black bag, and was misunderstood as black man or man in black.

You may have a point there!!! And, where was the bouncing couch? @ Chad's house, and not theirs?

It just seems kind of weird that, if this is the scenario, that so many people were involved (just by being @ the party) and yet it takes 7 months before someone slips up (or gets tired of being questioned) and lets any information out? And, this still doesn't shed light on why Ron would marry Misty. Even if it was his oxy--as it seems he was saying he has prescription meds for his I think back injury? Unless, he SOLD the oxy to someone @ the party? But, looking @ his rap sheets, it doesn't seem that having anything to do w/drugs in Putnam Co. is dealt w/seriously by the authorities. @ least, not for Ron Cummings. All those arrests related to drugs, and no convictions on anything?

So, did Misty convince him if they were married that she wouldn't tell who sold the partyiers the drugs? Because their being married now doesn't mean she couldn't testify about things relating to that night (altho it is unclear whether or not the Cummings/Croslin people know that the priviledge is for what went on during the marriage, not for things prior to.)

I'm pretty sure he didn't marry her because she was pregnant. For several reasons. He hasn't bothered to marry other girls he got pregnant. And, if she had been pregnant, she would about be ready to pop by now, and while she seems to have filled out a bit, IMO it would more likely be that they get fed better @ GGMS's house.

So, why DID they get married?

[Nawny]

You may have a point there!!! And, where was the bouncing couch? @ Chad's house, and not theirs?

It just seems kind of weird that, if this is the scenario, that so many people were involved (just by being @ the party) and yet it takes 7 months before someone slips up (or gets tired of being questioned) and lets any information out? And, this still doesn't shed light on why Ron would marry Misty. Even if it was his oxy--as it seems he was saying he has prescription meds for his I think back injury? Unless, he SOLD the oxy to someone @ the party? But, looking @ his rap sheets, it doesn't seem that having anything to do w/drugs in Putnam Co. is dealt w/seriously by the authorities. @ least, not for Ron Cummings. All those arrests related to drugs, and no convictions on anything?

So, did Misty convince him if they were married that she wouldn't tell who sold the partyiers the drugs? Because their being married now doesn't mean she couldn't testify about things relating to that night (altho it is unclear whether or not the Cummings/Croslin people know that the priviledge is for what went on during the marriage, not for things prior to.)

I'm pretty sure he didn't marry her because she was pregnant. For several reasons. He hasn't bothered to marry other girls he got pregnant. And, if she had been pregnant, she would about be ready to pop by now, and while she seems to have filled out a bit, IMO it would more likely be that they get fed better @ GGMS's house.

So, why DID they get married?

Didn't he say that Haleigh wanted them to get married? Ron being a bit hysterical may have actually thought that action would bring her back. As for Misty, she went along with it because she's a hopelessly lost little fool. She never had a role model worth a damn and seems in her short 17 years on earth she wasn't exposed to anything of moral value. I feel sorry for the little waif. It'd take a miracle for her life to find a road out of that hell. IMO
I saw her mother tonight on NG, (Before I fell asleep) and she's no rocket scientist. God forgive me, she's a mess.

[BeastofBears]

I think we all need to do some shots to continue following this saga :shrug::confused::cuss:

I'm coming to the conclusion that none of this is real. The names, the situations, the inbreeding...none of this could really be real, right?!

[Marian Paroo]

I'm coming to the conclusion that none of this is real. The names, the situations, the inbreeding...none of this could really be real, right?!

All to real, all too common in some parts. :(

That little thing when Ron said that Haleigh wanted them to get married. Yeah. Right. Well, maybe it's just me, but the little children of my divorced friends wanted Mommy and Daddy to get back together (even when they saw fighting).

[Marian Paroo]

I believe they are done at the pond. IIRC i believe i read it had been re-filled. Now i am going to just put this out there. Would there be Gator's in that pond? :eek: I just remember when my sis lived there she always said rule of thumb with her kids was if there is water assume there is a gator?? I shudder to think :rose:

Til they found little Caylee's body I was sure that's what Casey did ((shudder))

Have any of you's heard of The Trailer Park Boy's ? It's a Canadian Show and everytime i see something advertised I think of these folks. I swear they are stealing scripts from each other. Only difference is no children missing. Lots a drinking,drugging,jail,sex. Folks up here just luv it. Well not all. Google it. I've watched a few episodes it got old. Now i cant cuz i am am waiting for this clan to pop in :eek:

We saw that here on something called the "Reality Channel" on satalite. Tried to watch it, but it was so bad it was bad.

[BeastofBears]

All to real, all too common in some parts. :(

That little thing when Ron said that Haleigh wanted them to get married. Yeah. Right. Well, maybe it's just me, but the little children of my divorced friends wanted Mommy and Daddy to get back together (even when they saw fighting).

Yeah, that sounds like more along the lines of "those kids love me like I'm their mother" hogwash.

All of this is making me doubt the cultural accuracy of Petticoat Junction, let alone the Dukes of Hazzard.

[Etherealgirl]

Bolding mine.

I keep going back to Jr. The only statement(s) from him that has been made public makes is sound like they were in the house. It just seems to me that, if the kids had left the house, he would have mentioned that @ some time. That is, if he were awake during the going and coming and the party itself. Perhaps both were given something to keep them asleep during the party, and. luckily for him, he STAYED asleep, where maybe Haleigh didn't?
:shrug:

I've thought about that too. I wonder if LE had the forethought to test him for drugs (sleep meds) ? It looks like that would be standard procedure in this case (irresponsible teen babysitter).

They arrested Misty's mom and Misty is supposedly still in Orlando and Ron is with her.

And the 'new photos' of Haleigh NG mentioned last night had TN's name as a copyright all over them, which means they were sold by TN.

[Amy]

I've thought about that too. I wonder if LE had the forethought to test him for drugs (sleep meds) ? It looks like that would be standard procedure in this case (irresponsible teen babysitter).

They arrested Misty's mom and Misty is supposedly still in Orlando and Ron is with her.

And the 'new photos' of Haleigh NG mentioned last night had TN's name as a copyright all over them, which means they were sold by TN.

I guess in these hard times, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get money to live on? :shrug::mad:

[Etherealgirl]

I'm coming to the conclusion that none of this is real. The names, the situations, the inbreeding...none of this could really be real, right?!
It's real, you can believe it. I've seen it first hand, not quite as bad as with the Cummings and Croslins, but then all I've been exposed to is bits and pieces.

But it's there and it's all over the place. There's equal amounts of southern white trash as there is northern white trash. And other colors as well.

Their accents and affect in speech may be different, but just as "a rose is a rose", 'trash is trash'. The scary thing is they don't know it.

[Etherealgirl]

I guess in these hard times, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get money to live on? :shrug::mad:

I could probably think of another way to survive besides selling my missing and possibly dead grandchild's photos to NG. But that's just me.

She admitted to the local news her bf funded Misty's trip to Orlando. Maybe instead of supporting the person who's a suspect in her "baby girl's" (she uses that term on NG) abduction he could have helped her financially?

But people do what they do.

[Marian Paroo]

But it's there and it's all over the place. There's equal amounts of southern white trash as there is northern white trash. And other colors as well.

Their accents and affect in speech may be different, but just as "a rose is a rose", 'trash is trash'. The scary thing is they don't know it.

You know, the worse thing about the expression "white trash" is it it isn't whites that are the real target of the insult.

It's as if by their nature whites aren't trash, so if they are you have to specify. It's the non whites that are the trash.

ITA about trash being trash, although I try, not always successfully to use that term. And you are 100% right about them, whoever they are, not knowing it. At least that's the way I see it in my neckadawoods. They got pictures of "wonder rabbis" on the wall and they know that makes them better than others.

[beemer]

Til they found little Caylee's body I was sure that's what Casey did ((shudder))



We saw that here on something called the "Reality Channel" on satalite. Tried to watch it, but it was so bad it was bad.
I did too Marian-I'm glad Liar didn't have the brain power to think that one thru. It is bad-Trailer Park Boys-dont ya think it's a knock off of Putnam County ;)

[beemer]

I'm coming to the conclusion that none of this is real. The names, the situations, the inbreeding...none of this could really be real, right?!

I know ya cant even write this stuff it's so bad :eek:

[Etherealgirl]

You know, the worse thing about the expression "white trash" is it it isn't whites that are the real target of the insult.

It's as if by their nature whites aren't trash, so if they are you have to specify. It's the non whites that are the trash.
[/I]
ITA about trash being trash, although I try, not always successfully to use that term. And you are 100% right about them, whoever they are, not knowing it. At least that's the way I see it in my neckadawoods. They got pictures of "wonder rabbis" on the wall and they know that makes them better than others.

Exactly! It's as if, "well hey I'm white so I can't possibly be trash." Humanity is an amazing thing, isn't it?

[Marian Paroo]

Exactly! It's as if, "well hey I'm white so I can't possibly be trash." Humanity is an amazing thing, isn't it?

Humanity aint very human sometimes. :(

I'd give you a rep for being one of the few people I've met who've caught that about "white trash" but I just did for being a fine person and survivor.

[lorettalockhorn]

Tip could be 'very helpful' in solving Haleigh Cummings case, officials say

PUTNAM COUNTY - Putnam County Sheriff's Office investigators need help identifying a woman who brought a letter regarding missing Haleigh Cummings to the St. Augustine Record late Wednesday.

The letter apparently includes a tip about the disappearance of then 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings last February, according to a statement just released by the Sheriff's Office. Investigators want to speak with the woman to get more information and details.

The woman who brought the letter appeared at the newspaper's office in St. Augustine and left an envelope for Associate Editor Richard Prior. It included typed information about the young girl. Detectives collected the letter from Prior and started following up on the information, according to the statement.

"Unfortunately the detectives need further clarification of the information, and are hoping that someone will recognize the woman that delivered it," Capt. Dick Schauland said in an e-mailed statement.

Prior said today that he would not be sharing the letter's specifics and that the newspaper was not immediately planning to publish the information in the document. The paper, he said, has decided to wait for the Putnam County investigators to try to contact the woman who dropped it off.

"For the time being we're not going to publish it," Prior said. "Since we are apparently the only ones who have the letter, there's no real rush."

The newspaper's Web site shows an image of the woman dropping off the letter. She has blonde hair and was wearing sunglasses and blue "scrubs," the garment often worn by nurses and others in the medical field.

Prior said she was probably in the newspaper building 10 seconds and probably didn't realize she was caught on camera dropping off the envelope. When he opened it and read the letter, Prior said he thought "It's pretty amazing"

He contacted his boss, made a copy of the letter and also contacted the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. Prior said he also shared the letter with lawyers for Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father. Together, they went to deliver the letter to the Putnam County officials.

Prior said the information in the letter could be "potentially vital" to the investigation, but that's unclear after seven months and thousands of tips related to the case.

"This may be as valueless as all those other tips," Prior said. "But they want to check it out. Nobody knows until the cops check it out."

But Prior added, "If it's true, it will be pretty volatile."

"At some point the contents of the letter will come out," he said. "We're not interested at all in interfering with their investigation...They didn't ask us not to [publish the contents] but they said it would help if we held off until they talk to this woman."

That request, he said, was important in the paper's decision.

"If they had not asked, we probably already would have published it," he said.

The Sheriff's Office is not releasing the letter's contents either, but if the information is true, Schauland said, "It could be very helpful in solving the Haleigh Cummings case."

Anyone who knows the woman who delivered the tip should call Crimestoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477), or the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-092509,0,7386260.story

[lorettalockhorn]

PCSO Criticizes Release of Jail Letter in Haleigh Case, WSKY Responds

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is changing its tune regarding an alleged jail house letter from a party pal of a missing Satsuma girl's stepmother from "we are not reacting to the letter" before it appeared on radio, internet and national television to "very disappointed, and quite frankly, appalled" after it was made public.

The new reaction from PCSO comes after 97.3 The Sky first sent the agency the alleged jail house letter for comments Tuesday night. 97.3 The Sky then sat on the letter for 14 hours awaiting their first response which, at the time was, "we are not reacting to the letter."

Other inquiries from CNN and 2-time Emmy award-winning investigative journalist Art Harris to PCSO authorities were made hours and minutes before the letter became public knowledge on "The Nancy Grace Show."

97.3 The SKY received the letter in question from private investigator William "Cobra" Staubs from its receipient.

The letter was dated 9/18/09. The draining of a Palatka-area pond in a search for evidence of Haleigh started that very weekend.

The letter from Nay Nay Prevatt, a party pal of Misty Cummings--the stepmother of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings, to her boyfriend Donnie relays the kind of questioning she went through the week leading up to the draining of a pond near Palatka. Prevatt states in the letter the questioning she received was in reference to a signed affidavit by Joe Pytko.

She says in the letter that Pyko's affidavit claims:

"(Pytko said) we were all over at a party at Chad's house and Haliegh (sic) got a hold of some oxycotton (Oxycontin) and died. We suposively (sic) freaked out and Greg put her (Haleigh) in a black bag in my car and we took her to a pond."

Click here to read the letter

WJXT TV Channel 4 asked Putnam County Chief Deputy Rick Ryan about a jail house letter on Thursday and the report on CNN's "Nancy Grace." :

“We know about the letter," Ryan said. "There was some issue about draining of the pond. The pond was drained before the letter. Quite frankly, we feel like it's irresponsible journalism to put this on the air that this letter is the gospel.

"I'm very disappointed, and quite frankly, appalled."

When asked if the affidavit mentioned in the letter is true, Ryan said, "Again, we don't care anything about this letter, and we're not going to waste our time on it. Even if it was our theory, we're just not going to talk about it."

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5300541.php

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty's Mother Arrested, Charged with Forgery. Brother Bonds Out.


Lisa Croslin, the step grandmother of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma, has been arrested in Tennessee after a warrant for felony forgery was issued by Putnam County with a nation-wide pickup.

A sheriff's office report says that one check was forged and cashed by Lisa Croslin on Sept. 8 in the amount of $400. The former neighbor believed the checks and a gun were stolen after the Lisa Croslin and her son, Hank Thomas "Tommy" Croslin Jr., used his phone in August.

Authorities with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office tell 97.3 The Sky Lisa Croslin's bond is $10,504.00. Tennessee documents show her bond at $100,000.

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Incident Report Page 3

Lisa Croslin recenty told several radio, tv and print news organizations she doubted her daughter Misty Croslin-Cummings was home when 6-year old Haleigh vanished from the trailer Misty shared with the child's father, Ronald Cummings.

In fact, Lisa Croslin reportedly backed up a claim made by her son who just bonded out of the Putnam County on an unrelated theft of a gun charge. Her son--and Misty's brother-- Hank Thomas Croslin Jr. stated he went to Rona and Misty's trailer at about 10 p.m. at Ronald's request by phone to check on Misty and the kids the night Haleigh was taken. Hank "Tommy" Croslin said he banged on the door and the home had no lights on and was quiet. He told Putnam County deputies no one was home.

Lisa Croslin was the woman who returned the gun Tommy Croslin allegedly took from a former neighbor hours after the man noticed it missing from his home when the two went there to use his phone.

Shortly after that, Lisa and her husband Hank Croslin Sr. left the Satsuma area rather quickly headed to be in Tennessee at Lisa's mother's home.

Stay tuned to News Talk 97.3 The Sky for updates on this story.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5292416.php

[SuzDuJour]

I'm wondering about Ron's call to Jr./Tommy and Tommy's statement that he went to the trailor and knocked on the door at around 10:30 that night.

Did Ron call him on his cell phone or land line? Because if it was a land line, then Tommy couldn't have been at the party as NayNay says in her letter. And he might have knocked on the door.

If it was a cell phone, wouldn't pinging show if he was at home taking Ron's call or at the party taking Ron's call and then making up the story abou the knock on the door?

[lorettalockhorn]

Suz, I think LE is working on the phone records and pings. I do know that some phone companies aren't set up to provide dumps on landlines (CenturyTel in Central Arkansas, for one), and since Ron was at work, I'm hoping it was his cell so the calls can be verified. IF Tommy was at the party and got to the trailer pretty quickly and happened to call Ron back, that might help to pinpoint where the party was going on. And LE might be able to triangulate from that information where Haleigh was dumped. IF, if, if.

Aside: Can you beLIVE Lisa Croslin talking outta both sides of her mouth about Misty and Ron holding back while having stolen Mr. Marvin's checks? Talk about noive. :shrug:

[SuzDuJour]

Hopefully they'll be able to pinpoint the ping, because if he's lying about knocking on the door and was at the party, he knows what happened...he's put himself in a corner, it will be interesting how it plays out.

The whole family is nuts... actually, they ALL are. That poor kid never had a chance and I don't see much of one for Lil Ron, either.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh case: Mystery letter delivered

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Investigators have spoken with a woman who they say may hold the key to finding Haleigh Cummings.

Action News saw the woman walking into the criminal investigations building around 2 p.m. Friday to speak with detectives. She left about an hour and a half later.

She told us she was a messenger and delivered a letter.

She didn't want to identify herself and said she did not know Haleigh's family.

Detectives are not telling us what they learned from her interview but they are saying she could hold the tip that will help them crack the case.

"This could be it," said Putnam County Sheriff's Office Captain Dick Schauland.

The same woman was caught on surveillance video walking into the St. Augustine Record Wednesday afternoon and dropping off that anonymous, typed letter to the newspaper's associate editor.

"It has to do with the whereabouts of Haleigh," said Schauland.

The information contained in the letter is being kept secret from the media and the public because detectives say they don't want to compromise the investigation.


"Somewhere down the line we are going to have a criminal investigation regarding this and we don't want to spoil any kind of case we may have," said Schauland.

Since February investigators have received more than 4,000 tips.

This anonymous letter is one of those tips and investigators say the woman they spoke with Friday could be the missing link that could help bring Haleigh home.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-case-Mystery-letter-delivered/zel6ND0ZiEmMSugEoAkHRw.cspx

[SaraSidle]

I am having a real struggle with this. Does that mean there are 2 letters now and we cannot see the second one?

[SuzDuJour]

I am having a real struggle with this. Does that mean there are 2 letters now and we cannot see the second one?

Me, too Sara! It appears to be two separate visits and two separate letters. Wow...might just be the case-breaker!

[lorettalockhorn]

I am having a real struggle with this. Does that mean there are 2 letters now and we cannot see the second one?

Well, we've got NayNay's letter and the letter from unknown to Richard Prior at the St. Augustine record, but the contents aren't being released. Read somewhere that it's a typewritten paragraph and may have initials at the bottom.

I see that Dick Shauland is back in the mix from the quotes above. Once again LE refers to bringing Haleigh home. Not convinced that that means that she's still alive, and if they can bring her home in whatever conditions she's in after seven months, that statement must give her kidnapper(s) and/or murderer(s) the heebie jeebies. Honestly, I hope LE is anikcuf with someone's head everytime they speak of bringing Haleigh "home".

[beemer]

Gawd i pray this woman has no record and is not a friend of any of the clan:eek: It would be great if it brought Haleigh home however in the real world i think not. Having followed this case as of late my gawd anything is possible :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Gawd i pray this woman has no record and is not a friend of any of the clan:eek: It would be great if it brought Haleigh home however in the real world i think not. Having followed this case as of late my gawd anything is possible :shrug:

I think at least one of the articles stated the woman claims she has no connection to Haleigh's family, and that should be easily vetted. But the author of the letter could very well be as un-credible as everyone else. :shrug:<<Poor Putnam Putz never gets a day off.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sheba made it on NG tonight. Again. Her theory: Haleigh and Junior were in the car at the party and they were having trouble keeping Haleigh in the car. Somebody slipped them something to make them sleep and when they went back to check on her, Haleigh had ODed (seizure, vomited, soiled herself, wet herself) and they wrapped her up and threw her in a lake OR is there an old cemetery with fresh graves?

Jean Casarez is acting like this sworn affidavit from Joe Psycho is a done deal.

[Nawny]

Sheba made it on NG tonight. Again. Her theory: Haleigh and Junior were in the car at the party and they were having trouble keeping Haleigh in the car. Somebody slipped them something to make them sleep and when they went back to check on her, Haleigh had ODed (seizure, vomited, soiled herself, wet herself) and they wrapped her up and threw her in a lake OR is there an old cemetery with fresh graves?

Jean Casarez is acting like this sworn affidavit from Joe Psycho is a done deal.

NG and JVM and tonight Jean Casarez are starting to sound like an audio rag mag.

[Amy]

I could probably think of another way to survive besides selling my missing and possibly dead grandchild's photos to NG. But that's just me.

She admitted to the local news her bf funded Misty's trip to Orlando. Maybe instead of supporting the person who's a suspect in her "baby girl's" (she uses that term on NG) abduction he could have helped her financially?

But people do what they do.

I know. I was trying to be sarcastic (to the situation, not the post.) I think this and the Caylee Anthony case are the only two I have read about where they are selling off photos and stuff of the deceased (or missing.) Except celeb stuff, of course.

Or, maybe if there are other "regular" folks where this is happening, the people involved aren't so .......I don't know--so unlike the A's and the C's. They just seem to rub many folks the wrong way.

[Nawny]

I know. I was trying to be sarcastic (to the situation, not the post.) I think this and the Caylee Anthony case are the only two I have read about where they are selling off photos and stuff of the deceased (or missing.) Except celeb stuff, of course.

Or, maybe if there are other "regular" folks where this is happening, the people involved aren't so .......I don't know--so unlike the A's and the C's. They just seem to rub many folks the wrong way.

Aww Amy, we know you wouldn't be sarcastic to a poster if they had a knife at your head. LOL! I hope I didn't scare hotwired away with my sarcasm.. Bad me. :punch: Actually he came on kind of strong; no hello, nuthin? I'm making excuses again. Bad me :punch:

[Etherealgirl]

I know. I was trying to be sarcastic (to the situation, not the post.) I think this and the Caylee Anthony case are the only two I have read about where they are selling off photos and stuff of the deceased (or missing.) Except celeb stuff, of course.

Or, maybe if there are other "regular" folks where this is happening, the people involved aren't so .......I don't know--so unlike the A's and the C's. They just seem to rub many folks the wrong way.

I know, Amy. I guess it's because there seem to be so many people who are responsible.

[Etherealgirl]

Haleigh's reward reduced from $70K to $30K??

Wednesday night on NG they said it was $70K and last night it was $30K.

Does anyone know why it was reduced? I've never heard of that happening before. I heard Jean Casarez tell Pat Brown the reward is thirty thousand dollars, as if that's what it had always been.

Friday night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/25/ng.01.html

CASAREZ: But the thing is, Pat Brown, somebody knows something. Somebody does, and nobody`s talking. And there`s a $30,000 reward right now. Somebody can get $30,000. That`s a lot of money. Why isn`t anybody coming forward?

Wednesday night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

NEVES: Nancy, I`m like you. I do not think that that many people, with a $70,000 reward, are going to sit at home and not say anything. I do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it, just simply for that fact.

[grneyes]

Haleigh's reward reduced from $70K to $30K??

Wednesday night on NG they said it was $70K and last night it was $30K.

Does anyone know why it was reduced? I've never heard of that happening before. I heard Jean Casarez tell Pat Brown the reward is thirty thousand dollars, as if that's what it had always been.

Friday night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/25/ng.01.html

CASAREZ: But the thing is, Pat Brown, somebody knows something. Somebody does, and nobody`s talking. And there`s a $30,000 reward right now. Somebody can get $30,000. That`s a lot of money. Why isn`t anybody coming forward?

Wednesday night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

NEVES: Nancy, I`m like you. I do not think that that many people, with a $70,000 reward, are going to sit at home and not say anything. I do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it, just simply for that fact.

Maybe they think they are looking for a body?

[lorettalockhorn]

Two-Time Emmy Award-Winning Journalist Backs WSKY’s “Jail Letter” Story

This in from TJ Hart. I have long thought that the Haleigh Cummings case is akin to the mummies cruse, get involved and trouble starts. One only has to look at the family and acquaintances of Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin to see the curse in action. The latest ruckus though involves the PCSO and the press. The PCSO for a while at least seemed to be coming a little more press tolerant, unfortunately they made the mistake of having too many people going on record with different and conflicting statements. Once the genie is out of the bottle you can not stuff it back in! TJ Hart came under fire from the PCSO for the publication of a letter from a prison inmate, Nay Nay Prevat. This was completely uncalled for, the three press orgs WSKY 97.3, Art Harris.com, and BNN all sat on this letter for over 12 hours waiting for PCSO to comment - Simon

Two-time Emmy Award-winning journalist Art Harris wrote to WSKY Friday in support of a “Jail Letter” we reported in the case of missing 6-year-old Satsuma girl Haleigh Cummings.

97.3 properly investigated and vetted the Putnam County jail house letter from an inmate and party pal of Haleigh’s step mother, Misty Croslin Cummings, to her Palatka boyfriend.

The letter made reference to questioning the inmate received regarding a signed affidavit that said the young girl was with Misty and the inmate at a party, ate OxyContin, died, was placed in a black bag and tossed in a pond. The letter was dated 9/18/09—the same day a pond in the area was being drained in the search for the young girl.

CLICK HERE FOR THE LETTER

Putnam County officials referred to the story as “irresponsible journalism” and a “farce” despite later saying, “Even if it was one of the theories we were working on, we’re not going to talk about it.”

Two-time, Emmy award-winning journalist Art Harris emailed this message Friday to 97.3 The SKY supporting our presentation of the facts as he also did on his website www.artharris.com :

“Right on, TJ. It was highly newsworthy, not just as a letter from a Misty party friend who was with Misty in the days and hours leading up to Haleigh gone poof, but even more so because it detailed investigators line of questioning of her—and a theory they were actively exploring over Misty’s possible role in what happened to the child.

I must have put in half dozen calls to Johnny greenwood and Maj. Gary Bowling, and when got no response all day, had to make a call. As you do, we both share utmost respect and admiration for the Haleigh task force and the daunting task of trying to break a case that may seem easy from the outside. We both understand the kind of witnesses they are dealing with, from interviewing rocks to juggling jello.

As you did, I sent the letter to the show, but also went directly to the person who gave it to Cobra to confirm its authenticity, and of course knew the players and had interviewed Nay Nay on tape here at artharris.com

I decided to go with it as did you before the show because believed the public’s right to know investigators might have powerful theory that could lead to a break in the case outweighed any potential damage to the investigation, and the players involved had all been interviewed by pcsd.

Not only that, but others in the department, while stunned at first we had the letter, seemed upbeat that it might put more pressure on certain parties to kick a break into play.

But bottom line, when I was able to confirm that what nay nay said in the letter was accurate–that investigators had in fact interviewed her about this as she stated – that made it a bombshell worthy of breaking, where the public’s right to know outweighed any possible fallout to people who were already directly or tangentially related to the key players.

It was a good call for both of us to go with it and a gutsy call for Nancy’s show to break our reporting it on CNN. And I’m told it may have helped police in stirring the pot even more and keeping pressure on those they want to feel it.”

Art

TJ Hart

http://www.bloggernews.net/122388

[lorettalockhorn]

Exclusive: Art Harris Haleigh Cummings Update on JVM

As sources tell The Bald Truth the relationship between Ronald Cummings and his child bride, Misty, turns chillier by the day, Art Harris reports on one police theory that emerged in a letter from a jailed Misty Cummings galpal, Nay Nay Kristina Prevatt–a possible accidental overdose by six year old Haleigh Cummings, the then five year old she was babysitting.

Did little Haleigh accidentally ingest Oxycontin, as a former Putnam County Jail inmate claimed in a sworn statement detectives used to press Nay Nay for the truth? That’s what Joe Pytko said he either learned from a purported witness or or may have seen himself…Now the crediblity of Pytko, bonded out this summer for cocaine possession, is certainly a factor to consider, but it sparked a handwritten letter from Prevatt to an ex boyfriend, reminding him, twice in the letter, how they’d been together that night.

We obtained the letter from intrepid private investigator William Staubs, aka Cobra, then verified its authenticity by speaking with the source who received it from Nay Nay’s ex and father of their child. Cobra made sure law enforcement knew about the letter, then passed it on to tireless radio newsman T.J. Hart and The Bald Truth. ..

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/26/exclusive-art-harris-haleigh-cummings-update-on-jvm/#more-3051

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh's reward reduced from $70K to $30K??

Wednesday night on NG they said it was $70K and last night it was $30K.

Does anyone know why it was reduced? I've never heard of that happening before. I heard Jean Casarez tell Pat Brown the reward is thirty thousand dollars, as if that's what it had always been.

Friday night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/25/ng.01.html

CASAREZ: But the thing is, Pat Brown, somebody knows something. Somebody does, and nobody`s talking. And there`s a $30,000 reward right now. Somebody can get $30,000. That`s a lot of money. Why isn`t anybody coming forward?

Wednesday night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

NEVES: Nancy, I`m like you. I do not think that that many people, with a $70,000 reward, are going to sit at home and not say anything. I do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it, just simply for that fact.

The reward has been set at $35K for months. I think it was Errin Spelling who surmised that the additional amount of $35K may have come from Tim Miller's buddy's offer to Ron Cummings to hand over that amount to "Larry". That seems as likely as any other explanation.

As for everyone's incredulousness about no one coming forward (and you do have to agree that kind of money will buy a LOT of crank and crack and weed), I go back in memory to the case in Skidmore, MO where to this day, no one has fingered anyone for the killing of the town bully, Kenneth What'sHisName (McElroy?).

[lorettalockhorn]

I know. I was trying to be sarcastic (to the situation, not the post.) I think this and the Caylee Anthony case are the only two I have read about where they are selling off photos and stuff of the deceased (or missing.) Except celeb stuff, of course.

Or, maybe if there are other "regular" folks where this is happening, the people involved aren't so .......I don't know--so unlike the A's and the C's. They just seem to rub many folks the wrong way.

We see pix of other children and missing persons from time to time in the paper or on TV, etc, but Caylee's and Haleigh's families are the only ones that we can be pretty damned sure are making a profit from such a loss. both these cass seem more appalling that the run of the mill thing that clogs the media anymore. (Not the least of which is that Art Harris is an award winning journalist and that Lisa Croslin is only 40 years old. :eek: Suppose if she spends enough time in jail, she might get some free dentures.)

[Etherealgirl]

We see pix of other children and missing persons from time to time in the paper or on TV, etc, but Caylee's and Haleigh's families are the only ones that we can be pretty damned sure are making a profit from such a loss. both these cass seem more appalling that the run of the mill thing that clogs the media anymore. (Not the least of which is that Art Harris is an award winning journalist and that Lisa Croslin is only 40 years old. :eek: Suppose if she spends enough time in jail, she might get some free dentures.)

Yikes, she's only 40?

They are definitely profiting too, look at pictures of grandma TN. Now there's a transformation. And it isn't just that she decided to 'clean up a bit', she looked the same for months, then boom. And it happened around the same time her newest photos of Haleigh started portraying her name.

I read somewhere that Geraldo will have the 911 tape on his show tonight (I think), with all the background noise removed. I don't watch him but I might check it out for that reason.

Although surely LE has already had that done, they just aren't releasing the revised tape.

[wind149]

Ole Sea hag is only 40 and she looks like total hell! I am 50 and I do not have one wrinkle on my face and she looks like she is like 55-65?? All the good living she has done, probably has done every drug out there and you can tell she is a boozer just by the way she looks! And yeah, Loretta, if she does stay in jail on high bail, she might be able to score some dentures as inmates always get hooked up with free medical and dental!! Imagine my outrage when I read an article about some child killing POS in IN who mind you, is on IN's death row and this scum got hooked up with dentures, but law abiding poor people can't afford them and yet, IN who is gonna fry this POS at some point felt compelled enough to make sure he has some so, get, this, looks GOOD FOR HIS COURT APPEARANCES??? Is this enough to just piss one off?? Now old hag, I am sure lost her to neglect, Gee, it cost money to buy toothpaste and go to the dentist, musta cut into the drug funds, so that is why she looks the way she does, like a complete tweaker and a total loser.

My friend's sister desperately needs dentures, she can't find a job without them and only got a part time at a daycare because the kids don't care what she looks like. And then her sister-in-law who has had the money to buy dentures, walks around without a tooth in her head and wonders why after she graduated from college why she could not find a job at a hospital as a transcriptist?? She actually thinks she does not need teeth and she has lost out on a few good jobs and I don't know why this broad does not go get dentures?? She married a guy in the Army and he has bennies up the ying and she has not even bothered and yet, they have the resources?? One thing with my men, they gotta have teeth and good ones, but I noticed a lot of people out here willingly live without teeth and it does not seem to bother them one bit and I just think people look low life and trashy without teeth or they walk around with nasty ass ones, like completely black and they smile and you want to just hurl??

I saw a guy today at the store that was like that, not half bad looking till he opened his mouth and then I saw his woman and she too did not have a tooth in her head??? They have a dental program here where they can buy them for a couple hundred a set so why not save some money and go get some teeth??? I have now hit the 65 lib mark and I love it, bought some cute shirts today and I just felt good not having to go to the plus size area and I got some jeans today as well and am down 3 pants sizes since July and while I don't think I will hit my goal weight in Dec, I am OK with that, the doctor wants you to lose about 3-5 and that is what I have been averaging, I think I would shed more if I could really exercise more, but today it is damp and cool and my back has been screaming in pain all day so I had to eat two of my Oxy's and I just can't see how these fools get high, I don't. it is like taking asprin to me. As for this latest letter, I want to hear from LE that whatever it says is the gospel truth and that based on it's contents, the world will know where Haleigh's body is.

[Nawny]

Yikes, she's only 40?

They are definitely profiting too, look at pictures of grandma TN. Now there's a transformation. And it isn't just that she decided to 'clean up a bit', she looked the same for months, then boom. And it happened around the same time her newest photos of Haleigh started portraying her name.

I read somewhere that Geraldo will have the 911 tape on his show tonight (I think), with all the background noise removed. I don't watch him but I might check it out for that reason.

Although surely LE has already had that done, they just aren't releasing the revised tape.


Every time I hear that 911 call, I get that Ron is not the perp. I also get that Misty is chitting herself. Stands to reason that she would be terrified, even if the child was truly kidnapped. So it's a tough call trying to analyze her responses that particular night. If that child actually died, and she knew it, then her behavior during that call makes sense. I'm thinking she is numbed up during the other videos of her talking. Why did she say (in one of them) "What do they want with a little girl?" She's lying her head off, glancing over at her mother who was sitting on her right.

These liars, get to believe what they're saying. It's amazing, but they do. IMO


Her mother is HOW OLD??? OMG! She looks like the "after" picture on the crystal meth site.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yikes, she's only 40?

They are definitely profiting too, look at pictures of grandma TN. Now there's a transformation. And it isn't just that she decided to 'clean up a bit', she looked the same for months, then boom. And it happened around the same time her newest photos of Haleigh started portraying her name.

I read somewhere that Geraldo will have the 911 tape on his show tonight (I think), with all the background noise removed. I don't watch him but I might check it out for that reason.

Although surely LE has already had that done, they just aren't releasing the revised tape.

I'm betting the tape Geraldo will have for us tonight is the one from the youtube link I posted recently. Ron can be heard saying we're fvcked and I didn't have anything to do with it, and what sounds like she didn't have anything to do with it. If he did say she, that means someone else was in the house, and maybe not Junior. If he said twice that he didn't have anything to do with it, he could have been talking to Misty. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Ole Sea hag is only 40 and she looks like total hell! I am 50 and I do not have one wrinkle on my face and she looks like she is like 55-65?? All the good living she has done, probably has done every drug out there and you can tell she is a boozer just by the way she looks! And yeah, Loretta, if she does stay in jail on high bail, she might be able to score some dentures as inmates always get hooked up with free medical and dental!! Imagine my outrage when I read an article about some child killing POS in IN who mind you, is on IN's death row and this scum got hooked up with dentures, but law abiding poor people can't afford them and yet, IN who is gonna fry this POS at some point felt compelled enough to make sure he has some so, get, this, looks GOOD FOR HIS COURT APPEARANCES??? Is this enough to just piss one off?? Now old hag, I am sure lost her to neglect, Gee, it cost money to buy toothpaste and go to the dentist, musta cut into the drug funds, so that is why she looks the way she does, like a complete tweaker and a total loser.

My friend's sister desperately needs dentures, she can't find a job without them and only got a part time at a daycare because the kids don't care what she looks like. And then her sister-in-law who has had the money to buy dentures, walks around without a tooth in her head and wonders why after she graduated from college why she could not find a job at a hospital as a transcriptist?? She actually thinks she does not need teeth and she has lost out on a few good jobs and I don't know why this broad does not go get dentures?? She married a guy in the Army and he has bennies up the ying and she has not even bothered and yet, they have the resources?? One thing with my men, they gotta have teeth and good ones, but I noticed a lot of people out here willingly live without teeth and it does not seem to bother them one bit and I just think people look low life and trashy without teeth or they walk around with nasty ass ones, like completely black and they smile and you want to just hurl??

I saw a guy today at the store that was like that, not half bad looking till he opened his mouth and then I saw his woman and she too did not have a tooth in her head??? They have a dental program here where they can buy them for a couple hundred a set so why not save some money and go get some teeth??? I have now hit the 65 lib mark and I love it, bought some cute shirts today and I just felt good not having to go to the plus size area and I got some jeans today as well and am down 3 pants sizes since July and while I don't think I will hit my goal weight in Dec, I am OK with that, the doctor wants you to lose about 3-5 and that is what I have been averaging, I think I would shed more if I could really exercise more, but today it is damp and cool and my back has been screaming in pain all day so I had to eat two of my Oxy's and I just can't see how these fools get high, I don't. it is like taking asprin to me. As for this latest letter, I want to hear from LE that whatever it says is the gospel truth and that based on it's contents, the world will know where Haleigh's body is.

Congrats on your continued weight loss! :beer: It takes guts to make some of the life changes that you have; Godspeed.

Agree Lisa looks like a former tweaker, but not current since she looks like she has the energy levels of a slug. How healthy can she be? Poor dental hygiene is now linked to heart disease, and digestion begins in your mouth, not your stomach. No wonder she's so puny, she's malnourished. And how's that for a role model for a little girl who should be taught that taking care of yourself and that your health is your number one priority (says me, the cigarette smoker).

[Nawny]

Ole Sea hag is only 40 and she looks like total hell! I am 50 and I do not have one wrinkle on my face and she looks like she is like 55-65?? All the good living she has done, probably has done every drug out there and you can tell she is a boozer just by the way she looks! And yeah, Loretta, if she does stay in jail on high bail, she might be able to score some dentures as inmates always get hooked up with free medical and dental!! Imagine my outrage when I read an article about some child killing POS in IN who mind you, is on IN's death row and this scum got hooked up with dentures, but law abiding poor people can't afford them and yet, IN who is gonna fry this POS at some point felt compelled enough to make sure he has some so, get, this, looks GOOD FOR HIS COURT APPEARANCES??? Is this enough to just piss one off?? Now old hag, I am sure lost her to neglect, Gee, it cost money to buy toothpaste and go to the dentist, musta cut into the drug funds, so that is why she looks the way she does, like a complete tweaker and a total loser.

My friend's sister desperately needs dentures, she can't find a job without them and only got a part time at a daycare because the kids don't care what she looks like. And then her sister-in-law who has had the money to buy dentures, walks around without a tooth in her head and wonders why after she graduated from college why she could not find a job at a hospital as a transcriptist?? She actually thinks she does not need teeth and she has lost out on a few good jobs and I don't know why this broad does not go get dentures?? She married a guy in the Army and he has bennies up the ying and she has not even bothered and yet, they have the resources?? One thing with my men, they gotta have teeth and good ones, but I noticed a lot of people out here willingly live without teeth and it does not seem to bother them one bit and I just think people look low life and trashy without teeth or they walk around with nasty ass ones, like completely black and they smile and you want to just hurl??

I saw a guy today at the store that was like that, not half bad looking till he opened his mouth and then I saw his woman and she too did not have a tooth in her head??? They have a dental program here where they can buy them for a couple hundred a set so why not save some money and go get some teeth??? I have now hit the 65 lib mark and I love it, bought some cute shirts today and I just felt good not having to go to the plus size area and I got some jeans today as well and am down 3 pants sizes since July and while I don't think I will hit my goal weight in Dec, I am OK with that, the doctor wants you to lose about 3-5 and that is what I have been averaging, I think I would shed more if I could really exercise more, but today it is damp and cool and my back has been screaming in pain all day so I had to eat two of my Oxy's and I just can't see how these fools get high, I don't. it is like taking asprin to me. As for this latest letter, I want to hear from LE that whatever it says is the gospel truth and that based on it's contents, the world will know where Haleigh's body is.

Love your posts wind. :seeya: Congrats on the new clothes, you earned them and I'm proud of you. Now as long as you're losing weight and I'm finding it, tell me what you're doing.. :)

[Nawny]

Congrats on your continued weight loss! :beer: It takes guts to make some of the life changes that you have; Godspeed.

Agree Lisa looks like a former tweaker, but not current since she looks like she has the energy levels of a slug. How healthy can she be? Poor dental hygiene is now linked to heart disease, and digestion begins in your mouth, not your stomach. No wonder she's so puny, she's malnourished. And how's that for a role model for a little girl who should be taught that taking care of yourself and that your health is your number one priority (says me, the cigarette smoker).

LOL!! No! No! Ask me the cholesterol addict! (and cigarette smoker!) Yes, I failed miserably. But I can still throw a Cadillac at anyone who hurts a child. And certainly take very good care of my 50 year old teeth! That cawfee I drink is a stain bugger.

[Etherealgirl]

I'm betting the tape Geraldo will have for us tonight is the one from the youtube link I posted recently. Ron can be heard saying we're fvcked and I didn't have anything to do with it, and what sounds like she didn't have anything to do with it. If he did say she, that means someone else was in the house, and maybe not Junior. If he said twice that he didn't have anything to do with it, he could have been talking to Misty. :shrug:

Yep, that's apparently why Geraldo wanted the tape cleaned up. Personally I think everyone within 'spittin' distance is responsible.

[Nawny]

I'm betting the tape Geraldo will have for us tonight is the one from the youtube link I posted recently. Ron can be heard saying we're fvcked and I didn't have anything to do with it, and what sounds like she didn't have anything to do with it. If he did say she, that means someone else was in the house, and maybe not Junior. If he said twice that he didn't have anything to do with it, he could have been talking to Misty. :shrug:

Ah! I missed that one! So he may know something and that's why hagatha (Lisa) said, "They both hiding something" ??

[lorettalockhorn]

Every time I hear that 911 call, I get that Ron is not the perp. I also get that Misty is chitting herself. Stands to reason that she would be terrified, even if the child was truly kidnapped. So it's a tough call trying to analyze her responses that particular night. If that child actually died, and she knew it, then her behavior during that call makes sense. I'm thinking she is numbed up during the other videos of her talking. Why did she say (in one of them) "What do they want with a little girl?" She's lying her head off, glancing over at her mother who was sitting on her right.

These liars, get to believe what they're saying. It's amazing, but they do. IMO


Her mother is HOW OLD??? OMG! She looks like the "after" picture on the crystal meth site.

IMO Ron's behavior during the 911 call and then especially the day that he fell on the ground and then popped back up like Geppetto had hold of Pinocchio's strings and all that dry eyed crying and false prosidy tells me that even if he's not directly involved, he's responsible and knows it. Just how responsible, who knows? And depending on what the final timeline and actual time of Haleigh's disappearance will make a big difference in who did what and why.

http://i38.tinypic.com/dzgx9d.jpg

I'm fifty six and think I look much younger than Lisa. http://i43.tinypic.com/p6art.jpg

Here I am stocking the bar for shots and martinis later on: http://i42.tinypic.com/bfnkfb.jpg

[Etherealgirl]

Ole Sea hag is only 40 and she looks like total hell! I am 50 and I do not have one wrinkle on my face and she looks like she is like 55-65?? All the good living she has done, probably has done every drug out there and you can tell she is a boozer just by the way she looks! And yeah, Loretta, if she does stay in jail on high bail, she might be able to score some dentures as inmates always get hooked up with free medical and dental!! Imagine my outrage when I read an article about some child killing POS in IN who mind you, is on IN's death row and this scum got hooked up with dentures, but law abiding poor people can't afford them and yet, IN who is gonna fry this POS at some point felt compelled enough to make sure he has some so, get, this, looks GOOD FOR HIS COURT APPEARANCES??? Is this enough to just piss one off?? Now old hag, I am sure lost her to neglect, Gee, it cost money to buy toothpaste and go to the dentist, musta cut into the drug funds, so that is why she looks the way she does, like a complete tweaker and a total loser.

My friend's sister desperately needs dentures, she can't find a job without them and only got a part time at a daycare because the kids don't care what she looks like. And then her sister-in-law who has had the money to buy dentures, walks around without a tooth in her head and wonders why after she graduated from college why she could not find a job at a hospital as a transcriptist?? She actually thinks she does not need teeth and she has lost out on a few good jobs and I don't know why this broad does not go get dentures?? She married a guy in the Army and he has bennies up the ying and she has not even bothered and yet, they have the resources?? One thing with my men, they gotta have teeth and good ones, but I noticed a lot of people out here willingly live without teeth and it does not seem to bother them one bit and I just think people look low life and trashy without teeth or they walk around with nasty ass ones, like completely black and they smile and you want to just hurl??

I saw a guy today at the store that was like that, not half bad looking till he opened his mouth and then I saw his woman and she too did not have a tooth in her head??? They have a dental program here where they can buy them for a couple hundred a set so why not save some money and go get some teeth??? I have now hit the 65 lib mark and I love it, bought some cute shirts today and I just felt good not having to go to the plus size area and I got some jeans today as well and am down 3 pants sizes since July and while I don't think I will hit my goal weight in Dec, I am OK with that, the doctor wants you to lose about 3-5 and that is what I have been averaging, I think I would shed more if I could really exercise more, but today it is damp and cool and my back has been screaming in pain all day so I had to eat two of my Oxy's and I just can't see how these fools get high, I don't. it is like taking asprin to me. As for this latest letter, I want to hear from LE that whatever it says is the gospel truth and that based on it's contents, the world will know where Haleigh's body is.

Wind, the first time I saw her was when Misty was being interviewed sitting on a sofa and she reached over and kissed Misty on the cheek. Remember that one?

Teeth or no teeth, I swear I thought she was Misty's grandmother!

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL!! No! No! Ask me the cholesterol addict! (and cigarette smoker!) Yes, I failed miserably. But I can still throw a Cadillac at anyone who hurts a child. And certainly take very good care of my 50 year old teeth! That cawfee I drink is a stain bugger.

LOL@throwing a Caddy!

Just had a call from BCBS the other day and are you sitting down? My monthly rate for the health and dental is less than $340/mo. That's not only cheaper than the rates on their cards, but about $150 less per month that what the sale's rep quoted me. You better believe I got down on my knees and thanked God!

[beemer]

You look fab Loretta-not a day over 30 :beer: Yeah that plaintiff wail Ronald bleated out is seared in my brain. Cocktail night tonight ladies :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Ah! I missed that one! So he may know something and that's why hagatha (Lisa) said, "They both hiding something" ??

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMkLE5fhk0 I think it's around the 5:45 mark.

[lorettalockhorn]

You look fab Loretta-not a day over 30 :beer: Yeah that plaintiff wail Ronald bleated out is seared in my brain. Cocktail night tonight ladies :beer:

Yep, me and Mr. Stoli and my pomegranate martini are taking a bubble bath later! Who does everyone else have a date with?

[Etherealgirl]

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMkLE5fhk0 I think it's around the 5:45 mark.

Wow, how come LE hasn't zoned in on this??

[Nawny]

IMO Ron's behavior during the 911 call and then especially the day that he fell on the ground and then popped back up like Geppetto had hold of Pinocchio's strings and all that dry eyed crying and false prosidy tells me that even if he's not directly involved, he's responsible and knows it. Just how responsible, who knows? And depending on what the final timeline and actual time of Haleigh's disappearance will make a big difference in who did what and why.

http://i38.tinypic.com/dzgx9d.jpg

I'm fifty six and think I look much younger than Lisa. http://i43.tinypic.com/p6art.jpg

Here I am stocking the bar for shots and martinis later on: http://i42.tinypic.com/bfnkfb.jpg

LOL! You!!

Yes you always said that dramatic reenactment of Pinocchio the night after Haleigh went missing was transparent. I saw it as super drama too but (and although he was obviously drunk and stoned) it appeared that he was projecting innocence and yet, perhaps he was hysterical over the facts he wasn't sharing.

Did I say that right? In other words, he didn't cause the problem but he knows who did. And who ever did, could put him away for life regarding unrelated matters.

[Etherealgirl]

Yep, me and Mr. Stoli and my pomegranate martini are taking a bubble bath later! Who does everyone else have a date with?

I have a date with 28 patients who will be stoned out of their gourds and asleep soon.

No bubble bath for me unless I put a bar of soap in the whirlpool bath.

[Nawny]

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMkLE5fhk0 I think it's around the 5:45 mark.

Got it! Thanks!

[Nawny]

Yep, me and Mr. Stoli and my pomegranate martini are taking a bubble bath later! Who does everyone else have a date with?

I have a date with a hot shower and some snuggly flannels. (And the couch.) It's freezing here tonight! And, I've been awake since 4:30am. I'm fading fast. :o

[Nawny]

LOL@throwing a Caddy!

Just had a call from BCBS the other day and are you sitting down? My monthly rate for the health and dental is less than $340/mo. That's not only cheaper than the rates on their cards, but about $150 less per month that what the sale's rep quoted me. You better believe I got down on my knees and thanked God!

WHOA!!! That's $400 dollars less then I pay and Poppa is an insurance broker. Mine just went up near $220 dollars! No dental coverage! A few years ago I had 4 crowns put in my mouth. I could have gone to Europe for a month and stayed at the Excelsior overlooking the Bay of Naples for less. :cuss:

[Nawny]

Wind, the first time I saw her was when Misty was being interviewed sitting on a sofa and she reached over and kissed Misty on the cheek. Remember that one?

Teeth or no teeth, I swear I thought she was Misty's grandmother!

Ignorance is so damn bliss isn't it?! Those people don't even know they're broken. Can't spell therapy or deep grief. Most of them don't have anything left of their dopamine housing. What was she kissing, the part of Misty that didn't make it under the bus- where she tossed her? Good lord! Another camera hugger... sigh ~~~~

[ErrinSpelling]

The reward has been set at $35K for months. I think it was Errin Spelling who surmised that the additional amount of $35K may have come from Tim Miller's buddy's offer to Ron Cummings to hand over that amount to "Larry". That seems as likely as any other explanation.

As for everyone's incredulousness about no one coming forward (and you do have to agree that kind of money will buy a LOT of crank and crack and weed), I go back in memory to the case in Skidmore, MO where to this day, no one has fingered anyone for the killing of the town bully, Kenneth What'sHisName (McElroy?).

i think they are trying to drive us insane...i am going to start using my misty rule,on everyone: everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie.....
(it was 35,000 ,when jerome 1st went to jail & his bail was 33,000)...

NG had 70,000 , then someone must have written cnn they were wrong, but i think they are still wrong.it's 35 not 30.
& then thurs, jvm & NG & hln all said there was a warrant out, for miss toothless, but she was already in jail, at 3:11 pm thursday.

and then the # of letters:
the moderator at arts said there were three letters & i can think of 3:
1.nay nay to BF or former BF ( some articles say it's the baby daddy & some say current bf)
2. nay nay to parents
3.letter to paper

[ErrinSpelling]

Ignorance is so damn bliss isn't it?! Those people don't even know they're broken. Can't spell therapy or deep grief. Most of them don't have anything left of their dopamine housing. What was she kissing, the part of Misty that didn't make it under the bus- where she tossed her? Good lord! Another camera hugger... sigh ~~~~

i will say this b/c i am so upset...mine has been 2100.00 a month, the last 4 years,when i was in s.c. & now the last year,1480.00, b/c i am in maryland , for some dumb reason & i just realized yesterday, they aren't paying med. or dr's for at least the last year, maybe 2.

[beemer]

Yep, me and Mr. Stoli and my pomegranate martini are taking a bubble bath later! Who does everyone else have a date with?

Italian Pinio Grigio :beer:

[Nawny]

i think they are trying to drive us insane...i am going to start using my misty rule,on everyone: everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie.....
(it was 35,000 ,when jerome 1st went to jail & his bail was 33,000)...

NG had 70,000 , then someone must have written cnn they were wrong, but i think they are still wrong.it's 35 not 30.
& then thurs, jvm & NG & hln all said there was a warrant out, for miss toothless, but she was already in jail, at 3:11 pm thursday.

and then the # of letters:
the moderator at arts said there were three letters & i can think of 3:
1.nay nay to BF or former BF ( some articles say it's the baby daddy & some say current bf)
2. nay nay to parents
3.letter to paper

I caught that $30K figure too. It was Wednesday or Thursday night that it changed.
Is it possible that someone is kaching-ing that money? No... no can't be.

[Nawny]

i will say this b/c i am so upset...mine has been 2100.00 a month, the last 4 years,when i was in s.c. & now the last year,1480.00, b/c i am in maryland , for some dumb reason & i just realized yesterday, they aren't paying med. or dr's for at least the last year, maybe 2.

WOW Errinsp.. Is there a pre-existing condition? That is outrageous! It's like a mtg payment! Only in America dammit! I thought mine was high.

I'm moving where loretta lives.. Ooof! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

i will say this b/c i am so upset...mine has been 2100.00 a month, the last 4 years,when i was in s.c. & now the last year,1480.00, b/c i am in maryland , for some dumb reason & i just realized yesterday, they aren't paying med. or dr's for at least the last year, maybe 2.

Well, you know I'm still hoping against hope that you get everything straightened out and pronto. Not sure I would pay that amount, even if I had it! It would be very tempting to invest that $25K per year and take a crap shoot. Insurance strikes me as legalized gambling anyway.

[lorettalockhorn]

WOW Errinsp.. Is there a pre-existing condition? That is outrageous! It's like a mtg payment! Only in America dammit! I thought mine was high.

I'm moving where loretta lives.. Ooof! :beer:

Well, here's part of what's interesting; this is about $100/mo cheaper than it was when I was on Leroy's group policy before he retired. My rate actually not only lowered from that, but my numbers when she did the physical (can you say nightmare?) were good enough that we've somehow managed to not feel the 20% increase for smoking. I feel ripped off for all those years that I rarely even used the policy. Should have had it in my own name to begin with maybe?

[BeastofBears]

Well, you know I'm still hoping against hope that you get everything straightened out and pronto. Not sure I would pay that amount, even if I had it! It would be very tempting to invest that $25K per year and take a crap shoot. Insurance strikes me as legalized gambling anyway.

Many conservative Muslims think the same thing. I could imagine some other religions might feel that too. I wonder what they will do if the government mandates the insurance?

I sure hope that improves, Errin. Yipes!

[BeastofBears]

Well, here's part of what's interesting; this is about $100/mo cheaper than it was when I was on Leroy's group policy before he retired. My rate actually not only lowered from that, but my numbers when she did the physical (can you say nightmare?) were good enough that we've somehow managed to not feel the 20% increase for smoking. I feel ripped off for all those years that I rarely even used the policy. Should have had it in my own name to begin with maybe?

I ran the numbers for my family and found out it was cheaper to buy insurance for myself and the kids separately, not through the hubby's work, even though it was the same hmo. Go figure!

[Justice Denied?]

All to real, all too common in some parts. :(

That little thing when Ron said that Haleigh wanted them to get married. Yeah. Right. Well, maybe it's just me, but the little children of my divorced friends wanted Mommy and Daddy to get back together (even when they saw fighting).

I personally think the only reason that Ron married Misty was that he healized the whole case centered on her and he wanted to keep her around. Wiyhout marriage, she was likely as not to take off to TN or somewhere else out of state. JMO, MOO

[BeastofBears]

I personally think the only reason that Ron married Misty was that he healized the whole case centered on her and he wanted to keep her around. Wiyhout marriage, she was likely as not to take off to TN or somewhere else out of state. JMO, MOO

Didn't someone say he made a cryptic comment about 'keeping your enemies close' or something?

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a date with 28 patients who will be stoned out of their gourds and asleep soon.

No bubble bath for me unless I put a bar of soap in the whirlpool bath.

EG, hope you don't get a contact high off all that thorazine and halcyon (or whatever is being handed out). :eek: Hope you have a good night!

Did anyone watch Miss Nancy? Anything new tonight? I've got Wh0reald0 on, but paused it so that every once in a while I can just FF to something interesting.

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't someone say he made a cryptic comment about 'keeping your enemies close' or something?

He made that comment to Cobra early on, but I think TJ Hart mentioned something similar recently. Ugh Sleeping with the enemy. (If that's the case.)

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL! You!!

Yes you always said that dramatic reenactment of Pinocchio the night after Haleigh went missing was transparent. I saw it as super drama too but (and although he was obviously drunk and stoned) it appeared that he was projecting innocence and yet, perhaps he was hysterical over the facts he wasn't sharing.

Did I say that right? In other words, he didn't cause the problem but he knows who did. And who ever did, could put him away for life regarding unrelated matters.

Sorry to be so out of order here, not sure how I missed so many posts. :confused: Of course you make sense!

BUT I'm not convinced that Ron isn't directly responsible. For all I know, whatever happened to Haleigh happened before he went to work; he could have smacked her and she could have lost consciousness. Maybe he left Misty in charge while Haleigh "slept it off" and at some point, either at home or at a party, it was discovered that Haleigh was dead and had to be gotten rid of.

[Nawny]

well, you know i'm still hoping against hope that you get everything straightened out and pronto. Not sure i would pay that amount, even if i had it! It would be very tempting to invest that $25k per year and take a crap shoot. insurance strikes me as legalized gambling anyway.

amen!

[Nawny]

Sorry to be so out of order here, not sure how I missed so many posts. :confused: Of course you make sense!

BUT I'm not convinced that Ron isn't directly responsible. For all I know, whatever happened to Haleigh happened before he went to work; he could have smacked her and she could have lost consciousness. Maybe he left Misty in charge while Haleigh "slept it off" and at some point, either at home or at a party, it was discovered that Haleigh was dead and had to be gotten rid of.

That's worth looking at loretta. Yep! His drama wasn't totally convincing.. actually.

[lorettalockhorn]

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That's worth looking at loretta. Yep! His drama wasn't totally convincing.. actually.

It was just off somehow. And then we learned what a cretin he is and I just couldn't ever get to the place where I thought he's honest. (OR earning an honest living. ((Sorry, that cracks me up to this day, because it's so cliche and sounds like he's giving an alibi where none was asked for.)))

Dutifully watching Geraldo for his comments on the tape. So glad that Ann Coulter isn't part of the team covering the Haleigh story.

[Nawny]

Well, here's part of what's interesting; this is about $100/mo cheaper than it was when I was on Leroy's group policy before he retired. My rate actually not only lowered from that, but my numbers when she did the physical (can you say nightmare?) were good enough that we've somehow managed to not feel the 20% increase for smoking. I feel ripped off for all those years that I rarely even used the policy. Should have had it in my own name to begin with maybe?

I'm not sure if you should have had your own. I just know mine is high because of preexisting junk. I had surgery for a carotid artery blockage back when we were in the crest of leaving Blue Cross and they call me a cardiac risk, it bit me. Blue cross was killing me. When we went with United it was cheaper but we have to pay the first $1000. Full prescriptions and a $20 dollar co pay for Dr's visits.

If we didn't own property I'd never pay for health insurance. Hospitals attach homes. You are so right it's legal gambling! I just read your post to Joe and he said "It's like auto insurance. If you don't get into an accident it's a waste of money. If you do, it's a savings. Same with health. Nothing under the sun in a hospital is affordable."

Pizza just came! Gotta go block my other arteries. :hat:

[SaraSidle]

Well, we've got NayNay's letter and the letter from unknown to Richard Prior at the St. Augustine record, but the contents aren't being released. Read somewhere that it's a typewritten paragraph and may have initials at the bottom.

I see that Dick Shauland is back in the mix from the quotes above. Once again LE refers to bringing Haleigh home. Not convinced that that means that she's still alive, and if they can bring her home in whatever conditions she's in after seven months, that statement must give her kidnapper(s) and/or murderer(s) the heebie jeebies. Honestly, I hope LE is anikcuf with someone's head everytime they speak of bringing Haleigh "home".

Me too Loretta. Me too

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure if you should have had your own. I just know mine is high because of preexisting junk. I had surgery for a carotid artery blockage back when we were in the crest of leaving Blue Cross and they call me a cardiac risk, it bit me. Blue cross was killing me. When we went with United it was cheaper but we have to pay the first $1000. Full prescriptions and a $20 dollar co pay for Dr's visits.

If we didn't own property I'd never pay for health insurance. Hospitals attach homes. You are so right it's legal gambling! I just read your post to Joe and he said "It's like auto insurance. If you don't get into an accident it's a waste of money. If you do, it's a savings. Same with health. Nothing under the sun in a hospital is affordable."

Pizza just came! Gotta go block my other arteries. :hat:

Well, in most states I'll assume that automobile insurance is mandated, and that makes sense, since you are climbinb behind the whell of a two ton weapon and heading out putting yourself at a level of liability every time you drive. Can't say that I see your health as being the business of the general public since a lot of what is actually contagious probably isn't going to be caught and covered by the policy. But you're absolutely right, you don't want to risk your family's home to go without coverage.

Hope there's some EVOO on that pizza to save your arteries! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

just saw a segment on Geraldo about Haleigh's case and nary a word about the 911 tape.

[beemer]

Gawd i am sleepy too from my Pinio-night all:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMkLE5fhk0 I think it's around the 5:45 mark.

whoa as many times as I have heard that tape I never heard that. He is so calm then too.

[SaraSidle]

Gawd i am sleepy too from my Pinio-night all:seeya:

sleep tight Bree and thanks

[BeastofBears]

Well, in most states I'll assume that automobile insurance is mandated, and that makes sense, since you are climbinb behind the whell of a two ton weapon and heading out putting yourself at a level of liability every time you drive. Can't say that I see your health as being the business of the general public since a lot of what is actually contagious probably isn't going to be caught and covered by the policy. But you're absolutely right, you don't want to risk your family's home to go without coverage.

Hope there's some EVOO on that pizza to save your arteries! :seeya:

You can choose to not have a car, too. No choice if it's just because you are alive...It's prudent to have it, but I don't think the gov place is to force us to buy some product. imo moo

[lorettalockhorn]

You can choose to not have a car, too. No choice if it's just because you are alive...It's prudent to have it, but I don't think the gov place is to force us to buy some product. imo moo

Give up my car? :eek: Nevah! I love her. :tongue: Don't mind one bit paying to cover my arse in case I mow someone down. AR used to have mandated vehicle inspections, but that's gone by the wayside. So considering that there are probably more unsafe vehicles than ever on the road it's exactly as you say: prudent.

[lorettalockhorn]

Brief video of the tipster and interview with Crystal:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33822@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh my. Picture juxtaposing the tipster with that Windchime thing from You Know Where is popping up:

http://i33.tinypic.com/jrwnjs.jpg

[SaraSidle]

Oh my. Picture juxtaposing the tipster with that Windchime thing from You Know Where is popping up:

http://i33.tinypic.com/jrwnjs.jpg

what do you think????

[lorettalockhorn]

what do you think????

I think Windchime needs dental work too! :eek:

Seriously, there is a resemblance with the shape of the upper lip and nostrils and those creases on the sides of the nose. I don't get why anyone would hand deliver this letter instead dropping it into a mailbox unless they want to insert themselves into the case. Surely Windchime/Terry would prefer to keep a low profile what with her background and nasty proclivities. Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

[SaraSidle]

I think Windchime needs dental work too! :eek:

Seriously, there is a resemblance with the shape of the upper lip and nostrils and those creases on the sides of the nose. I don't get why anyone would hand deliver this letter instead dropping it into a mailbox unless they want to insert themselves into the case. Surely Windchime/Terry would prefer to keep a low profile what with her background and nasty proclivities. Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

great catch loretta

[Etherealgirl]

just saw a segment on Geraldo about Haleigh's case and nary a word about the 911 tape.

So did I! And that's the only reason I watched it. I heard all over the place it was going to be on there.

For the longest time though, I couldn't for the life of me understand why RC and TN defended Misty. But recently it's been almost like a revelation. I believe they know that when Misty goes down, Ron goes with her. That's the only reason I can think of for TN defending her.

And I'm not saying they did something intentional to Haleigh. But I am willing to bet if Misty is arrested, that Ron will be arrested within a week.

But I could be wrong, because these aren't normal, law-abiding citizens we are dealing with here. :confused:

[Marian Paroo]

Italian Pinio Grigio :beer:


We need a wine glass smilie. I love my :beer:, but to put that similie in the same line as a great Italian white,:no:

Many conservative Muslims think the same thing. I could imagine some other religions might feel that too. I wonder what they will do if the government mandates the insurance?

I sure hope that improves, Errin. Yipes!

About health insurance? Srsly? I've explained our combined private/government system in a number of places here, and have never heard neither fundamentalist Jews nor Muslims complain about it. When you have 12 kids, it's a real good deal.

just saw a segment on Geraldo about Haleigh's case and nary a word about the 911 tape.


Noticed that, too. But I was actually expecting more about the letters.

[Etherealgirl]

I was thinking while driving home tonight about the so called "Scrubs Lady' that delivered that letter to the newspaper.

We had a patient once, and probably many more before I started working there, that sort of used the hospital as a safe haven. He was all wrung out and emotionally exhausted because someone was stalking him (he owed them money).

Here comes another what if. Please bear with me or just ignore me because this is driving me insane.

What if Misty is in some hospital..maybe hiding from Ron? What if the letter is from her and she's talked it over with a doctor who told her to send it to the newspaper?

Maybe like a confession and it includes Ron so she needs to be in a safe place for awhile. With as many relatives and friends as they have in the jail where they live, there's no way she would be safe there. At least she probably wouldn't feel safe.

And please know I am NOT trying to defend her, not in any way at all. And these are just the ramblings of an overly tired mind.

Late last night I read a lot of things about that letter. It has 3 initials at the bottom. Maybe M.C.C? It's only 1 paragraph long, and tells about a location close to or in back of the mobile home.

[Nawny]

Brief video of the tipster and interview with Crystal:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33822@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Thanks, loretta. That's a good one!

[Nawny]

Well, in most states I'll assume that automobile insurance is mandated, and that makes sense, since you are climbinb behind the whell of a two ton weapon and heading out putting yourself at a level of liability every time you drive. Can't say that I see your health as being the business of the general public since a lot of what is actually contagious probably isn't going to be caught and covered by the policy. But you're absolutely right, you don't want to risk your family's home to go without coverage.

Hope there's some EVOO on that pizza to save your arteries! :seeya:

LOL! It's all good. I ate shredded wheat and special K in the morning. The box says Lose 2 inches in 2 weeks. (I guess they want me to eat it 3 times a day for 2 weeks :shrug:)

Today I do the 30 minute treadmill. Nawny got an ipod for Christmas and that helps keep me on the running board longer. Pizza is a cheat, but it was so enjoyable.. while I watched TV last night. I'll get back into those size 10's eventually. :) I have to have my pizza. I'm a fool for it. :D

[beemer]

K-where do i know the name Windchime from?

[beemer]

Is Terry the Baker Acted lady from the Caylee case?

[Nawny]

K-where do i know the name Windchime from?

Isn't she the administrator on CL that had a history with some perp offense she committed?

[Nawny]

I was thinking while driving home tonight about the so called "Scrubs Lady' that delivered that letter to the newspaper.

We had a patient once, and probably many more before I started working there, that sort of used the hospital as a safe haven. He was all wrung out and emotionally exhausted because someone was stalking him (he owed them money).

Here comes another what if. Please bear with me or just ignore me because this is driving me insane.

What if Misty is in some hospital..maybe hiding from Ron? What if the letter is from her and she's talked it over with a doctor who told her to send it to the newspaper?

Maybe like a confession and it includes Ron so she needs to be in a safe place for awhile. With as many relatives and friends as they have in the jail where they live, there's no way she would be safe there. At least she probably wouldn't feel safe.

And please know I am NOT trying to defend her, not in any way at all. And these are just the ramblings of an overly tired mind.

Late last night I read a lot of things about that letter. It has 3 initials at the bottom. Maybe M.C.C? It's only 1 paragraph long, and tells about a location close to or in back of the mobile home.

Hmmm, that's some good thinking EG. Open minded people like you can connect thoughts like that and apply them, often hitting the mystery dead center. I wonder where Misty is. She may be enjoying her last supper soon.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking while driving home tonight about the so called "Scrubs Lady' that delivered that letter to the newspaper.

We had a patient once, and probably many more before I started working there, that sort of used the hospital as a safe haven. He was all wrung out and emotionally exhausted because someone was stalking him (he owed them money).

Here comes another what if. Please bear with me or just ignore me because this is driving me insane.

What if Misty is in some hospital..maybe hiding from Ron? What if the letter is from her and she's talked it over with a doctor who told her to send it to the newspaper?

Maybe like a confession and it includes Ron so she needs to be in a safe place for awhile. With as many relatives and friends as they have in the jail where they live, there's no way she would be safe there. At least she probably wouldn't feel safe.

And please know I am NOT trying to defend her, not in any way at all. And these are just the ramblings of an overly tired mind.

Late last night I read a lot of things about that letter. It has 3 initials at the bottom. Maybe M.C.C? It's only 1 paragraph long, and tells about a location close to or in back of the mobile home.

Your What If makes as much sense as any other supposition. On the one hand we have Misty on vacay at the expense of TN's boyfriend to clear her head (of what? cobwebs??), and on the other hand we have AH saying that Ron&Misty are breaking up. Guess that means they don't like like each other any more. About the only thing that I did glean from Geraldo last night is that the letter refers to a search behind the trailer (but not sure when that happened).

Sometimes I think the best thoughts come when we're tired or just practicing free association since we don't limit ideas. :shrug:

[beemer]

Isn't she the administrator on CL that had a history with some perp offense she committed?

I think u may be right Nawny. Now i remember for sure it was a message board name and I think ya nailed it. My gawd if that is her-I'm speechless :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL! It's all good. I ate shredded wheat and special K in the morning. The box says Lose 2 inches in 2 weeks. (I guess they want me to eat it 3 times a day for 2 weeks :shrug:)

Today I do the 30 minute treadmill. Nawny got an ipod for Christmas and that helps keep me on the running board longer. Pizza is a cheat, but it was so enjoyable.. while I watched TV last night. I'll get back into those size 10's eventually. :) I have to have my pizza. I'm a fool for it. :D

For me it's Leroy's mother's broiled hamburgers or liver and onions with gravy. Only eat those two things once a year (but not at the same time!) and then it's back to Same Old Slop. Took the stairclimber down to the pergola by the pool so I would use it while I watched Andy Griffith, and damn if they didn't change the schedule and he's not on at that time anymore!! :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

Isn't she the administrator on CL that had a history with some perp offense she committed?

Yes, she was an admin/Windchime at Web Sloths when it was learned that she is a sex offender. Think I posted her record in the Caylee forum way back when. Truly disgusting. She was at the search at the Little Econ and was on camera, but don't know if there is a video. It'd be good to compare the voices if there is. Her name is Terry Cavalito? Cavitalo?

[ErrinSpelling]

WOW Errinsp.. Is there a pre-existing condition? That is outrageous! It's like a mtg payment! Only in America dammit! I thought mine was high.

I'm moving where loretta lives.. Ooof! :beer:

i don't know about the reward nawny/can't figure it out.

yes it's outrageous...i guess it was kind of pre-existing, toxic molds, but noone had figured it out yet.. i had princ mutual , in 89 & they said they would keep me forever ( to my lawyers), but they went out of buss...then mutual of omaha took over & they went out of buss....now assurant is the only co. who would take me & it was 1500.00, before they took me.

lol- i do call it a mortgage payment.

[lorettalockhorn]

Found this:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:xHHjvS8WSIEJ:www.docstoc.com/docs/4494306/Cavitalo-James+%22James+Cavitalo%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

And these:

http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=35766722

http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=77661535

[ErrinSpelling]

Well, you know I'm still hoping against hope that you get everything straightened out and pronto. Not sure I would pay that amount, even if I had it! It would be very tempting to invest that $25K per year and take a crap shoot. Insurance strikes me as legalized gambling anyway.

i know , & i have been thinking about not paying it... be back tues., after yom kippur.

[Marian Paroo]

i know , & i have been thinking about not paying it... be back tues., after yom kippur.

Oh, you MoT ?

Have an easy fast then, as they say here.

Me, I don't, haven't in decades.

[ErrinSpelling]

Oh, you MoT ?

Have an easy fast then, as they say here.

Me, I don't, haven't in decades.
happy new year!
i haven't since the mold..i can't go 15 minutes, w/o water/ dehydrated....after 3 hours i end up,in the hospital & then there's the 20 + pills a day..

but i can turn off the computer, lol, so that's what i'm gonna do.

[BeastofBears]

About health insurance? Srsly? I've explained our combined private/government system in a number of places here, and have never heard neither fundamentalist Jews nor Muslims complain about it. When you have 12 kids, it's a real good deal.

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Not saying everyone follows their own religion:D I'll pm a link to you...

[Marian Paroo]

Saw the PM you sent me.

True, most religious fanatics of all stripes tend to observe a lot of customs that are just not religious law. For example, the idea of not putting flowers on a grave in Judaism is nowhere in Jewish law. It is just a custom. Ditto the skullcap! The fringed undergarment is what is required. The skullcap? A custom.

I guess the Moslems in Israel do okay with our system because it is a HMO based one, not an outright insurance system.

I must pay attention the next time I am in my bro's area if any of the Arab towns have schools or community centers or playing fields or the like that have been established with state lottery funds!