Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[ErrinSpelling]

ROFLROLF!!!!
And Daryl and Daryl and Hank/Tommy Timmy:D

omg, there are 2 hanks too!

[SuzDuJour]

I just read about the headless dead rat in Hank/Tommy's mailbox. Maybe Ron didn't do it. Maybe Cindy Anthony did.

[ErrinSpelling]

Hell, Ron rarely calls Haleigh by her name. Keep waiting for the headshrinks to comment on that one.

i know.you and amy beat them to it, months ago.they weren't paying attention. oh wait, they were not even allowed ,on tv, for the last almost,6 months.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just read about the headless dead rat in Hank/Tommy's mailbox. Maybe Ron didn't do it. Maybe Cindy Anthony did.

LMAO Cindy doesn't decapitate rats, she beats them to a pulp with her trusty baseball bat. :eek:

[ErrinSpelling]

I just read about the headless dead rat in Hank/Tommy's mailbox. Maybe Ron didn't do it. Maybe Cindy Anthony did.

she gave him lessons...but there is a witness & you can see his mailbox .it isn't blocked as the ronettes would have you believe.

that poor woman needs to be in witness protection.

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i know.you and amy beat them to it, months ago.they weren't paying attention. oh wait, they were not even allowed ,on tv, for the last almost,6 months.

but, but, but it just Ps me O that Nancy keeps mentioning how Misty is so emotionally distant from Haleigh, but when it comes to her bud Ron, nada. :cuss:

Oh well, I'll give her a break since she called out Mark Klaas tonight on the Tim Miller thing.

[One2Snoop]

LMAO Cindy doesn't decapitate rats, she beats them to a pulp with her trusty baseball bat. :eek:

I thought she liked hammers? :chicken:

[SuzDuJour]

I thought she liked hammers? :chicken:

Heee!

Maybe she just guilt-tripped it into blowing it's own head off. With Ron's gun...

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I thought she liked hammers? :chicken:

She uses a hammer to beat the peewaddle&doo out of her baseball bat. :eek:

[ErrinSpelling]

but, but, but it just Ps me O that Nancy keeps mentioning how Misty is so emotionally distant from Haleigh, but when it comes to her bud Ron, nada. :cuss:

Oh well, I'll give her a break since she called out Mark Klaas tonight on the Tim Miller thing.

don't worry...i have decided to believe she knows more than she pretends to know.. she hinted she knew why ron had a lawyer, last night/ ratgate.
she wants him to think miss nancy is on his side, then she will move in for the kill, when it's time...she is the only reporter he trusts.

[wind149]

OMG! The teasing I got when I lived in CT about the Darrel and Darrel thing being from VT! The company I worked for never let me hear the end of it, but they quickly whipped out money for me to bring them back bottles of cheap booze and ciggies because NH does not have tax on these items! And at that time, the Newhart show was one of the top rated shows and yes, there are real Larry's and Darrel's in VT, knew a couple myself, not the sharpest tools in the shed, porch light on, nobody home, elevator does not reach the top floors? Now these people I speak about are simple minded people, but hard working, honest to a fault, and kind to everyone and will help anybody with anything and sure as hell never kill anyone or lie to police. Now they might not be able to tell you what year it is or who is president, their book learning is a bit lacking, but these kindly folks might be poor and simple minded, but they are not white low life trash that lie like dogs!

Kids, go on First Coast news and WJXT! I post there as michcat49 and 12 people agreed with me that scenario about Haleigh being placed in the dumpster and it was emptied way before the cops even thought to look in it as it was a dog that alerted them several days AFTER Haleigh went gone and I believe that her body ended up in the landfill and one poster thinks that my scenario is more logical than anything the media or LE came up with and I think it is not a stretch to think this is what happened.

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don't worry...i have decided to believe she knows more than she pretends to know.. she hinted she knew why ron had a lawyer, last night/ ratgate.
she wants him to think miss nancy is on his side, then she will move in for the kill, when it's time...she is the only reporter he trusts.

Oh for sure, Shoemaker is his attorney of record on the Putnam County criminal docket, re: ratgate(okay, the battery and burglary charge). What I find hard to believe is that any attorney would allow Ron to go on camera with Miss Schmancy or anyone else.

[ErrinSpelling]

Hi Loretta! :seeya:OT: I've been unable to spend much time on the boards since Adam (my 21 yr. old) was hospitalized last week for renal failure. He's home and doing well now but the kidney specialist is still not certain what caused his problem. So, long story, somewhat short, I've been doing a lot of driving to and from hospital to work to home, etc. You know the drill.

Anyway I agree that Ronnie Boy is probably just as guilty as Misty of covering up/withholding information. I'm just baffled as to why LE has not been able to get HER to spill the beans. I could be wrong, but I think she's slowly cracking now. I also believe that Ronnie has probably threatened to harm her (or already has) if she has lied about who took Haleigh. I keep going back to that 911 call when he's yelling "How could you let someone take my child *****!" He is a rageaholic and I bet he watches her 24/7 and controls everything she does and says. You are right, L. He's covering his own arse as well. :flamemad:
Drewi hope adam is a lot better. how is your mother?

for some reason, this made me wonder, if misty gets free drugs from ron.

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OMG! The teasing I got when I lived in CT about the Darrel and Darrel thing being from VT! The company I worked for never let me hear the end of it, but they quickly whipped out money for me to bring them back bottles of cheap booze and ciggies because NH does not have tax on these items! And at that time, the Newhart show was one of the top rated shows and yes, there are real Larry's and Darrel's in VT, knew a couple myself, not the sharpest tools in the shed, porch light on, nobody home, elevator does not reach the top floors? Now these people I speak about are simple minded people, but hard working, honest to a fault, and kind to everyone and will help anybody with anything and sure as hell never kill anyone or lie to police. Now they might not be able to tell you what year it is or who is president, their book learning is a bit lacking, but these kindly folks might be poor and simple minded, but they are not white low life trash that lie like dogs!

Kids, go on First Coast news and WJXT! I post there as michcat49 and 12 people agreed with me that scenario about Haleigh being placed in the dumpster and it was emptied way before the cops even thought to look in it as it was a dog that alerted them several days AFTER Haleigh went gone and I believe that her body ended up in the landfill and one poster thinks that my scenario is more logical than anything the media or LE came up with and I think it is not a stretch to think this is what happened.

That Larry was a smart one on Newhart, it was Darryl and Darryl who were sharing half a brain! :hat:

I think this was discussed early on, but wasn't it the 27th that cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster and LE pulled everything out (with HLN's cameras rolling)? Was this the first time cadaver dogs as opposed to hounds had been used? Surely to goodness by now LE has tracked that dumpster between 2/10 and 2/27 and has searched the area where it was dumped at the local landfill.

[lorettalockhorn]

i hope adam is a lot better. how is your mother?

for some reason, this made me wonder, if misty gets free drugs from ron.

I think she pays a steep and horrible price for everything she gets from Ron.

[ErrinSpelling]

Oh for sure, Shoemaker is his attorney of record on the Putnam County criminal docket, re: ratgate(okay, the battery and burglary charge). What I find hard to believe is that any attorney would allow Ron to go on camera with Miss Schmancy or anyone else.

shoemaker....well the poor guy was shifty eyed & squirming in his seat, while ron was answering...he was so uncomfortable.
ron has a mind of his own... only ggma can tell him, what to do.

[lorettalockhorn]

shoemaker....well the poor guy was shifty eyed & squirming in his seat, while ron was answering...he was so uncomfortable.
ron has a mind of his own... only ggma can tell him, what to do.

Did you listen to TJ Hart's inteview with Simon today? GGMS can also tell Misty what to do!!

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EXCLUSIVE AUDIO: Tim Miller, "Ron Doubts Misty's Stories"

TJ Hart


In the words of CNN/HLN's Nancy Grace, "Bombshell!" in the Haleigh Cummings disappearance case.

Immediately after signing off the Nancy Grace Show Tuesday night, I grabbed the phone and called Tim Miller to ask him more questions about these doubts Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, had allegedly shared with him a couple of weeks ago surrounding his new wife Misty's stories regarding the night the child was taken.

This includes a discussion as to whether he believes now that Misty had gone to bed at 10pm as she has said or still questions her claim since telling Miller "the bed was made."...

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5128823.php

Link to audio on page.

[ErrinSpelling]

I think she pays a steep and horrible price for everything she gets from Ron.

mentally & physically, but not monetarily....larry went to harvard or yale or somewhere.

[ErrinSpelling]

Did you listen to TJ Hart's inteview with Simon today? GGMS can also tell Misty what to do!!

no sireebob...i will never go to that place again... my broadband just started working again, after 2 months & i still see people say their computers shut off also... but i did read about what was said...one thing is strange...tim said there was yelling & ggma asked misty if she wanted to live , 2 more days, to take the polygraph or something...
i have to go / dr. early, so i better go get ready.i didn't know yall were having a party.
:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

no sireebob...i will never go to that place again... my broadband just started working again, after 2 months & i still see people say their computers shut off also... but i did read about what was said...one thing is strange...tim said there was yelling & ggma asked misty if she wanted to live , 2 more days, to take the polygraph or something...
i have to go / dr. early, so i better go get ready.i didn't know yall were having a party.
:seeya:

Oh Tay! What GGMS supposedly said to Misty was the best part of the interview. Listen to the link up there from thesky973. Crazy!

Hope you have a good trip to the doc. :seeya:

[deacon]

OMG! The teasing I got when I lived in CT about the Darrel and Darrel thing being from VT! The company I worked for never let me hear the end of it, but they quickly whipped out money for me to bring them back bottles of cheap booze and ciggies because NH does not have tax on these items! And at that time, the Newhart show was one of the top rated shows and yes, there are real Larry's and Darrel's in VT, knew a couple myself, not the sharpest tools in the shed, porch light on, nobody home, elevator does not reach the top floors? Now these people I speak about are simple minded people, but hard working, honest to a fault, and kind to everyone and will help anybody with anything and sure as hell never kill anyone or lie to police. Now they might not be able to tell you what year it is or who is president, their book learning is a bit lacking, but these kindly folks might be poor and simple minded, but they are not white low life trash that lie like dogs!

Kids, go on First Coast news and WJXT! I post there as michcat49 and 12 people agreed with me that scenario about Haleigh being placed in the dumpster and it was emptied way before the cops even thought to look in it as it was a dog that alerted them several days AFTER Haleigh went gone and I believe that her body ended up in the landfill and one poster thinks that my scenario is more logical than anything the media or LE came up with and I think it is not a stretch to think this is what happened.

That only thing is that when a dumpster, at least here, needs to be emptied an empty one is brought to the site and place there and the full one is taken away. If that is the case there it would not have been the same one. That is the thing that I keep getting hung up on. If she was placed in the dumpset and dumped the one they searched would have been a different one.

[Marian Paroo]

Trash, trash, trash, trash, trash!!!! :flamemad:

Gonna go out and check the NG transcript.

Meanwhile, Greta, who I can watch is playing political correspondent:(, a job she socks at!!!!:cool:

[Amy]

Oh for sure, Shoemaker is his attorney of record on the Putnam County criminal docket, re: ratgate(okay, the battery and burglary charge). What I find hard to believe is that any attorney would allow Ron to go on camera with Miss Schmancy or anyone else.

He very well have gone on camera against the advice of his attorney. SP did the same thing, but his attorney suggested he get another attorney about that time. Wonder if Shoemaker advised against it, and if he did, will he con't to be the attorney? Or, maybe Ron went on w/o speaking to the attorney? Altho, one would think he and Misti learned their lesson when they went w/Tim Miller, then ahd to come up w/what seems to be a pack of lies to try to make Tim look like a bad guy.

[Amy]

That only thing is that when a dumpster, at least here, needs to be emptied an empty one is brought to the site and place there and the full one is taken away. If that is the case there it would not have been the same one. That is the thing that I keep getting hung up on. If she was placed in the dumpset and dumped the one they searched would have been a different one.

Here, the trunks roll along the alleys and some mechanism picks up the dumpster, the floppy lid opens as the dumpster is turned upside down over the truck and the trash is transfered to the truck. Then the dumpster is returned to the same spot by the mechanism. I think the only time a dumpster is actually removed is if it is damaged beyond usefulness.

[SaraSidle]

He very well have gone on camera against the advice of his attorney. SP did the same thing, but his attorney suggested he get another attorney about that time. Wonder if Shoemaker advised against it, and if he did, will he con't to be the attorney? Or, maybe Ron went on w/o speaking to the attorney? Altho, one would think he and Misti learned their lesson when they went w/Tim Miller, then ahd to come up w/what seems to be a pack of lies to try to make Tim look like a bad guy.

Or maybe the attorney coached Ron. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

He very well have gone on camera against the advice of his attorney. SP did the same thing, but his attorney suggested he get another attorney about that time. Wonder if Shoemaker advised against it, and if he did, will he con't to be the attorney? Or, maybe Ron went on w/o speaking to the attorney? Altho, one would think he and Misti learned their lesson when they went w/Tim Miller, then ahd to come up w/what seems to be a pack of lies to try to make Tim look like a bad guy.

Well, Shoemaker was sitting right there with him, so that either indicates some level of approval, or he was there to stuff a sock in Ron's mouth just in case he actually answered a question (instead of stonewalling and changing the subject). He did answer at least one of the questions for Ron.

As for Tim being a bad guy, I can't see it. He is well-respected and has been for a long time; did this outfit and this case suddenly turn him into an asshat? Don't think so! Be sure and read the TJ Hart convo with Miller, it's an eye opener.

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Here, the trunks roll along the alleys and some mechanism picks up the dumpster, the floppy lid opens as the dumpster is turned upside down over the truck and the trash is transfered to the truck. Then the dumpster is returned to the same spot by the mechanism. I think the only time a dumpster is actually removed is if it is damaged beyond usefulness.

That's pretty much the way Waste Management does the large construction type dumpsters around here, not sure about the other companies, but that is the most cost effective and efficient way to operate in my cheapskate opinion. Depending on how the trash hauling company does business, they should be able to track which dumpsters have been where, when they were dumped, etc. I can imagine that a body or body part(s) could have been in that dumpster at one time and then removed by the perpetrator as well as the dumpster having been emptied completely. If memory serves, it was seventeen days after Haleigh went missing that the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster.

[lorettalockhorn]

Eyes For Lies on the Misty hypnosis video:

It's obvious why the police are saying Misty is inconsistent publicly now, because when you listen to her latest story with the hypnotist, you can't miss it. You don't need any talent to see the changes in Misty's story. I have not believed Misty nor Ronald from day one. You can read my original thoughts here.

When we live through an event, we usually recall the details similarly every time we talk about it, but Misty's story changes again and again, quite notably.

Read moreIn this hypnosis video, Misty says:

I woke up some...at three o'clock, I just woke up out of the blue. Three something, I just woke up. I don't know what made me wake up, and I seen the kitchen light that was on and I know my kitchen light was shut off, and it was glaring in my bedroom so I mean all the lights, every things turned off when I went to bed...and the light in the kitchen is glaring so I get up to see what is going on, and the back door was wide open, and there's a cement block holding the screen door open. I didn't know Haleigh was gone yet. I ran back into the bedroom to grab my cell phone, called 911, because the back door was open and I know the back door was shut when I went to sleep, and I freak'n out already, cuz the back door was open, and I didn't know what do, and as soon as I called...I got my phone and uh... and I as soon as I got on the phone and I turned around, she was gone. So I started look in the house, under the beds, closets, everywhere I could think of...just freak'n out. And by the time I opened the front door to go out the front door, Ronald pulled up, and he said call the cops so I immediately called 911 (end time marker 9:38).

Events that Misty marked before as notable are now different. Triggers such as having to go to the bathroom in her first recollections of Haleigh's last night have now changed to a blaring light streaming into her bedroom...

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/09/mistys-voice-hypnosis.html

[Amy]

Well, Shoemaker was sitting right there with him, so that either indicates some level of approval, or he was there to stuff a sock in Ron's mouth just in case he actually answered a question (instead of stonewalling and changing the subject). He did answer at least one of the questions for Ron.

As for Tim being a bad guy, I can't see it. He is well-respected and has been for a long time; did this outfit and this case suddenly turn him into an asshat? Don't think so! Be sure and read the TJ Hart convo with Miller, it's an eye opener.

Bolding mine.

Thanks. I didn't see the video, just was reading the posts. :o

Maybe he is kind of like Brad Conway, the client is going to go on tv regardless of his advise, so be there to as you say, stuff a sock if need be.

I guess maybe in Sutsama they don't know the reputation of Tim Miller, and that he can't be thrown under the bus by people who have shown themselves to be liars over the past 6 months. Do they really think that people have hung on their every word, and would take their word over that of Tim Miller? :eek:

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Bolding mine.

Thanks. I didn't see the video, just was reading the posts. :o

Maybe he is kind of like Brad Conway, the client is going to go on tv regardless of his advise, so be there to as you say, stuff a sock if need be.

I guess maybe in Sutsama they don't know the reputation of Tim Miller, and that he can't be thrown under the bus by people who have shown themselves to be liars over the past 6 months. Do they really think that people have hung on their every word, and would take their word over that of Tim Miller? :eek:

Not sure if I posted a vid from NG, but Shoemaker was with him in some of the others that were posted in case you get a chance to watch and judge body language and whatnot. Like Conway, his main duty may be damage control!

When you see good people like Miller being accused, slandered, libeled, etc. when they have such a fine reputation and when they know loss from a personal perspective, it's not only maddening, but in this case, and Caylee's pretty much proof of what a sh!t magnet the families and the case itself can be.

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Mother of HaLeigh Cummings Supports Texas EquuSearch and Tim Miller

GLEN ST. MARY, Fla., Sept 02, 2009 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Crystal Sheffield, mother of HaLeigh Cummings who disappeared from her home in Satsuma, Florida, supports the renewed involvement of Texas EquuSearch and Tim Miller in the search for her daughter. HaLeigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, also supports the efforts of Tim Miller and his organization.

The Sheffield/Griffis families appreciate the dedication of Tim Miller to the truth and to the search for HaLeigh. As a family, they have made a donation to Texas EquuSearch in the name of HaLeigh Cummings and they ask others to do the same.

"I still wake up every morning wondering if someone will call and tell me that HaLeigh has been found and that she wants to see me. All I want is HaLeigh back home. I would like to thank Tim Miller for trying to help find my daughter," says Crystal Sheffield.

Marie Griffis agrees and says, "We have been looking for HaLeigh for over six months and we need all of the help we can get. All we want is the truth. Thank you Mr. Miller for helping to find out the truth about HaLeigh."

The family asks that people show their support for Texas EquuSearch and Tim Miller by making donations to the organization in the name of HaLeigh Cummings.

Donations can be mailed to: Texas EquuSearch, P.O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Online donations can be made at the Texas EquuSearch website at : www.texasequusearch.org

SOURCE Crystal Sheffield...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mother-of-haleigh-cummings-supports-texas-equusearch-and-tim-miller-2009-09-02

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From NG's facebook:

Nancy Grace EXCLUSIVE TONIGHT: Crystal Sheffiled & Marie Griffis, mother & grandmother of missing girl, Haleigh, take your calls live! Hear what they have to say about reports Misty Croslin, Haleigh’s stepmom & babysitter, reportedly flunked a ploy in relation to Haleigh’s disappearance!


http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

(Really like the pic Nancy uses on her FB.)

[wind149]

When I lived in the trailer park, there were 3 dumpsters per street meaning a total of six. Now unless they were really gross (which most of the time the ones on the next street over from me usually were) they were grabbed by an hydraulic arm on the truck and dumped and then set back down again and I am going to try to do some sleuthing today, about these dumpsters, I am going to look up and see how many trash companies there are in that area and ask them if they are in that trailer park and how much can they tell me, if indeed, I hit on one that does service the park? I don't see any confidentially issues involving trash, but ya never know do ya? Now if they tell me that they just dump theirs, I am going to try to ask if they were dumped doing that time frame which would be starting at the date that Haleigh went missing till the next time it was due to be emptied?? Now one would hope that Putnam CO did this, but I have not gotten any answers by asking posters from FL on those TV web sites or newspapers, people do not know either, so is it safe to assume the landfill was never checked? And Lord Knows how many millions of pounds of garbage could be piled on top of her?

I saw a case on 48 Hours where the police did locate a female body in theirs months after she went missing, they scoured every inch of where the landfill indicated where trash from her hood was dumped and they found her, but not her child and her dirtbag husband was convicted of her murder and got LWPOP so while it sounds like a long shot, it can be done? Now I do think that black druggie there plays a big part in this, sure would clinch Jr's recollection of a black man dressed in black and the couch? You know kids at that age, will give you bits and pieces because their little brains do not recognize time frames, and don't forget little Blake Cutts, he told police that "mommy was in the rug, mommy fell down"? Now he knew mommy was wrapped in something, and probably thought the comforter was a rug and he obviously saw his mother down on the floor at some point that night, and Bobby confessed to have hit her hard? SO I do believe what Jr saw that night, should not be taken lightly and I think if he does get the counseling, this is bound to come out and I think this is why Daddy does not want him to go, he is afraid that Jr will spill more, like maybe seeing Misty hit her or he heard Haleigh cry out? Clearly, either he is the most blind person in the world, or he loves this useless low life more than his own kids, or deep down he knows and that is why he keeps her around? According to folks down there, he made the statement that says, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"?? HUH???

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PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The mother of missing child Haleigh Cummings said she supports the involvement of Equusearch in the search for her daughter and has made a donation to the Texas-based volunteer search group.

Crystal Sheffield said she and her family made the donation in Haleigh's name and encourage others to do the same.

"I still wake up every morning wondering if someone will call and tell me that Haleigh has been found and that she wants to see me. All I want is Haleigh back home. I would like to thank Tim Miller for trying to help find my daughter," Sheffield said in a press release.

Haleigh has been missing since February, when she was 5 years old. The girl was in her Putnam County home with Misty Croslin Cummings – who has since married her father Ronald Cummings – and disappeared at some point during the night.

There has been recent controversy involving Equusearch, its director Tim Miller and the Cummings. Miller said he invited the Cummings to Orlando to clear their heads. While they were there he said Misty Cummings -- who had fallen under suspicion in the girl's disappearance -- asked to take voice analysis and polygraph tests in order to help find Haleigh and clear her name, which she failed. The Cummings, however, said that Miller tricked them, took away their cell and pressured Misty Cummings to take the tests.

Investigators now have those test results. They said they show Misty Cummings is withholding information.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20686706/detail.html

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The Ties That Bind Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, and Cobra

This week's New Times cover story chronicles the adventures of a Fort Lauderdale bail bondsman, William Staubs, AKA "Cobra," who fell into a world of trouble when he started searching for a missing 5-year-old from Putnam County, Haleigh Cummings. But before he began looking for Haleigh, Cobra briefly searched for perhaps the most famous missing child in Florida: Caylee Anthony.

Caylee was a bright-eyed 2-year-old first reported missing from her Orange County home in July 2008. Her mother, Casey Anthony, admitted that she hadn't seen her daughter for a month. Three months later, Anthony was charged with first-degree murder. Caylee's remains were discovered in December, in woods near her house. Her mysterious death grabbed headlines nationwide.

Cobra worked on the case only briefly, when he followed up on a tip that Caylee had been seen in Glades County -- a tip that didn't pan out. Then, this past February, Cobra happened to be near Orlando chasing a drug dealer. He heard about a memorial service for Caylee involving fellow bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and decided to attend, curious to see how the dramatic case had turned out.

At the memorial service, Cobra met Richard Grund, whose son, Jessie, was once engaged to marry Casey Anthony. Grund soon hired Cobra to do some investigative work to expose the people who had tried to implicate Jessie in Caylee's murder.

Meanwhile, several hours before the service, Haleigh was said to have disappeared from the bedroom of her family's trailer home in Satsuma, a rural, spitball town north of the Ocala National Forest. Camera crews immediately descended on the town and were already drawing comparisons between the two missing-child cases. A woman who advocates for missing children asked Richard Grund to recommend a private investigator to search for Haleigh, and Grund says he referred her to Cobra.

So Cobra left for Satsuma in March, launching a search that would threaten to end his career. "Craziest **** I ever done in my life," he says now. To read more about his adventures, check out "Cobra's Last Stand."

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/09/caylee_anthony_haleigh_cobra.php

Link to New Times article inside.

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Prime News $35,000 in exchange for Haleigh Cummings? According to Texas EquuSearch, Misty’s father says that Ron told him if he had the money, he could get the missing 6-year-old back safe… Now, an Equusearch supporter has written a check out to Ron for $35,000...... but he won’t get it until he finds her. What's going on here? We'll talk to the director of Texas EquuSearch to sort it all out.Read More


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Prime-News/93710322266?ref=nf

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Ronald Cummings ‘If I had $35,000, I Would Have Haleigh Back”
By Steph
On August 28th, Misty Cummings’ father, Hank Croslin Sr., left a voicemail message for Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch claiming Ronald Cummings told him “If I had $35,000, I could have Haleigh back”. So Tim Miller reacted quickly, reaching out to people he knew who would help. Now another fellow Texan and friend of Millers, Roy Moffitt of Roy Moffitt Customized Fueling Inc. has stepped up to the plate and written a check to Ronald Cummings for $35,000

So now that Tim Miller, who’s only concern is to find Haleigh Cummings, has got you the money, (below is a copy of the check to prove it.) you and Hank SR. can go get Haleigh, Ronald, and bring her home safely.

check

Also in another voicemail message Ronald Cummings mother Teresa Neves called Miller on August 18th saying Misty was ‘ready to crack” In her voicemail, Neves is concerned about Misty’s state of mind, saying she won’t even be in the same room as Ronald,and leaves to talk on the phone privately and is acting “crazy” Neves urges Miller to come to florida quickly because Misty ”is ready to crack’

stand by for link to voicemails

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/ronald-cummings-if-i-had-35000-i-would-have-haleigh-back/

Don't see a copy of the check anywhere. :shrug: Okay, so who is Ron going to give this money to? And how are they going to meet up? Why not just send LE armed with ammo instead of money to bring Haleigh home?

[Amy]

Ronald Cummings ‘If I had $35,000, I Would Have Haleigh Back”
By Steph
On August 28th, Misty Cummings’ father, Hank Croslin Sr., left a voicemail message for Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch claiming Ronald Cummings told him “If I had $35,000, I could have Haleigh back”. So Tim Miller reacted quickly, reaching out to people he knew who would help. Now another fellow Texan and friend of Millers, Roy Moffitt of Roy Moffitt Customized Fueling Inc. has stepped up to the plate and written a check to Ronald Cummings for $35,000

So now that Tim Miller, who’s only concern is to find Haleigh Cummings, has got you the money, (below is a copy of the check to prove it.) you and Hank SR. can go get Haleigh, Ronald, and bring her home safely.

check

Also in another voicemail message Ronald Cummings mother Teresa Neves called Miller on August 18th saying Misty was ‘ready to crack” In her voicemail, Neves is concerned about Misty’s state of mind, saying she won’t even be in the same room as Ronald,and leaves to talk on the phone privately and is acting “crazy” Neves urges Miller to come to florida quickly because Misty ”is ready to crack’

stand by for link to voicemails

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/ronald-cummings-if-i-had-35000-i-would-have-haleigh-back/

Don't see a copy of the check anywhere. :shrug: Okay, so who is Ron going to give this money to? And how are they going to meet up? Why not just send LE armed with ammo instead of money to bring Haleigh home?

Sure, I can just see the kidnapper sit back and let Ron bring LE, FBI, and whatever other agencies would be involved (hopefully a crack SWAt team would be on hand) right to his front door step, $35,000 or not. Wonder if that is the amount of money dear Ron just happens to owe someone. And, how early on was this statement made? Did the kidnapper give Ron an unlimited amount of time to come up w/the money? Do we really think that, 6 months later, the kidnapper would still let Haleigh live? Where would he have her sequestered to the extent no one would know he had her? Wouldn't she need medical care in those 6 months? How would he have gotten her necessary medical care? I guess, he could say she died of natural causes since she wasn't getting medical care.

And, since there is a great love between Ron and his father-in-law who does not seem to be the most up and up fellow in Satsuma, that leads me to wonder-- did Ron really say this, or is this in retaliation for Hank Jr (Timmy/Tommy, whichever) getting beat up by dear SIL? Or retaliation for the ratgate affair? Geesh, with this group, it's really hard to cull the truth from the lies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sure, I can just see the kidnapper sit back and let Ron bring LE, FBI, and whatever other agencies would be involved (hopefully a crack SWAt team would be on hand) right to his front door step, $35,000 or not. Wonder if that is the amount of money dear Ron just happens to owe someone. And, how early on was this statement made? Did the kidnapper give Ron an unlimited amount of time to come up w/the money? Do we really think that, 6 months later, the kidnapper would still let Haleigh live? Where would he have her sequestered to the extent no one would know he had her? Wouldn't she need medical care in those 6 months? How would he have gotten her necessary medical care? I guess, he could say she died of natural causes since she wasn't getting medical care.

And, since there is a great love between Ron and his father-in-law who does not seem to be the most up and up fellow in Satsuma, that leads me to wonder-- did Ron really say this, or is this in retaliation for Hank Jr (Timmy/Tommy, whichever) getting beat up by dear SIL? Or retaliation for the ratgate affair? Geesh, with this group, it's really hard to cull the truth from the lies.

LE has said this isn't a stranger abduction and I find it hard to believe that a family member is holding Haleigh for ransom, not to mention that family seems to be accounted for. So who is connected to Haleigh that Ron would be paying off to get her back?

If LE wasn't watching Ron like a hawk before, surely they are now. Why would Ron even utter these words aloud? Doesn't it put Haleigh in danger? Sounds like some sort of extortion scam to me.

[Amy]

LE has said this isn't a stranger abduction and I find it hard to believe that a family member is holding Haleigh for ransom, not to mention that family seems to be accounted for. So who is connected to Haleigh that Ron would be paying off to get her back?

I think technically a "friend" of Ron's would not have to be a stranger to Haleigh, depending on how much this "friend" hung around the Cummings household. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I think technically a "friend" of Ron's would not have to be a stranger to Haleigh, depending on how much this "friend" hung around the Cummings household. IMO

The connection to Haleigh is through Ron (or Misty or the family). That is something that as parents we all provide our children whether wittingly or not.

[DrewBerry]

i hope adam is a lot better. how is your mother?

for some reason, this made me wonder, if misty gets free drugs from ron.

Hi Errin. OT: Thank you for asking. Adam is well. Mother is not. She's still struggling with dad's suicide but she refuses to get professional help. In addition, my sister's husband (who is same age as my dad,78) is slipping away this week-he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer 1 yr. ago. My sister is 1 yr. younger than me (54). This has been a very trying and sad year for our family.

I tend to agree with you about Misty getting drugs with/from Ronnie. As many have said here, she was most likely drunk or stoned the night Haleigh disappeared. I believe the BOTH know what happened. These ya-hoos are soon to be busted. JMO. Good to see you Errin.
:seeya:
Drew

[lorettalockhorn]

Drew, great news about Adam. So sorry to hear about your Mother, is it non-PC to hold an intervention for this sort of thing? Not meaning to come off as cruel, but this inability to deal can threaten her physical health and severely shorten her lifespan. (Not that you don't know that.) When My Sainted Mother died, my Dad was so deeply depressed that he too neglected his own health and activities literally for years. It took an odd chain of events and some baldfaced lies last year to get him into ICU to correct his CHF, straighten out his diabetes, get him on a serious diet and now finally things are turning around.

Sorry to hear about your BIL, I know your sister must be heartbroken and frightened. I'll say a prayer for y'all.

Love ya!

[deacon]

Here, the trunks roll along the alleys and some mechanism picks up the dumpster, the floppy lid opens as the dumpster is turned upside down over the truck and the trash is transfered to the truck. Then the dumpster is returned to the same spot by the mechanism. I think the only time a dumpster is actually removed is if it is damaged beyond usefulness.

The one I remember seeing on tv was like a construction dumpster which is pulled onto the back of the truck and removed. At least that was the type they show on all of the news shows.

[lorettalockhorn]

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Texas Equusearch expects to receive a gift of $35,000 in hopes of finding Haleigh Cummings, who has been missing for more than six months.

Director Tim Miller sought out the money from a sponsor and will put it in an account.

Miller says this stems from a tip that said Haleigh's father Ronald needs $35,000 to get his daughter back.

But, Ronald Cummings' attorney says this is misinformation, and says Ronald does not know where his daughter is, and the money will not bring her home.

First Coast News is continuing to follow this developing story. CLICK HERE for complete coverage of the Search for Haleigh.



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=144348&catid=3

[deacon]

When I lived in the trailer park, there were 3 dumpsters per street meaning a total of six. Now unless they were really gross (which most of the time the ones on the next street over from me usually were) they were grabbed by an hydraulic arm on the truck and dumped and then set back down again and I am going to try to do some sleuthing today, about these dumpsters, I am going to look up and see how many trash companies there are in that area and ask them if they are in that trailer park and how much can they tell me, if indeed, I hit on one that does service the park? I don't see any confidentially issues involving trash, but ya never know do ya? Now if they tell me that they just dump theirs, I am going to try to ask if they were dumped doing that time frame which would be starting at the date that Haleigh went missing till the next time it was due to be emptied?? Now one would hope that Putnam CO did this, but I have not gotten any answers by asking posters from FL on those TV web sites or newspapers, people do not know either, so is it safe to assume the landfill was never checked? And Lord Knows how many millions of pounds of garbage could be piled on top of her?

I saw a case on 48 Hours where the police did locate a female body in theirs months after she went missing, they scoured every inch of where the landfill indicated where trash from her hood was dumped and they found her, but not her child and her dirtbag husband was convicted of her murder and got LWPOP so while it sounds like a long shot, it can be done? Now I do think that black druggie there plays a big part in this, sure would clinch Jr's recollection of a black man dressed in black and the couch? You know kids at that age, will give you bits and pieces because their little brains do not recognize time frames, and don't forget little Blake Cutts, he told police that "mommy was in the rug, mommy fell down"? Now he knew mommy was wrapped in something, and probably thought the comforter was a rug and he obviously saw his mother down on the floor at some point that night, and Bobby confessed to have hit her hard? SO I do believe what Jr saw that night, should not be taken lightly and I think if he does get the counseling, this is bound to come out and I think this is why Daddy does not want him to go, he is afraid that Jr will spill more, like maybe seeing Misty hit her or he heard Haleigh cry out? Clearly, either he is the most blind person in the world, or he loves this useless low life more than his own kids, or deep down he knows and that is why he keeps her around? According to folks down there, he made the statement that says, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"?? HUH???

The one they showed on the news program was an open top, roll off construction dumpster. I remember seeing LE in the top of it pulling stuff out. Those are not really dumpster like are put around neighborhoods for people to put their garbage in. They are for construction waste. One of the things I remember seeing them pull out was large sheets of plastic. Not one or two but several. Someone must have been doing some construction around there somewhere.

[lorettalockhorn]

Would $35,000 Haleigh Get Back?


There is another bizzare turn of events in the disappearance of 6-year old Haleigh Cummings. The father Misty Croslin-Cummings, Haleigh's babysitter-now stepmom who was supposed to be watching the child the night she disappeared, left a strange message on the phone of Texas Equusearch Director Tim Miller claiming Ronald Cummings needs $35,000 to get the child back!

Recently Tim Miller with Texas Eqqusearch was asked to once again help search for the child. Two weeks ago, Misty Cummings asked Miller to arrange a polygraph to clear her of suspsicion since police had publicly said her stories of the night in question are inconsistent.

Misty failed both the polygraph and a voice stress test. She is now saying she was duped into taking the tests.

On August 28th, Misty Cummings’ father, Hank Croslin Sr., left a voicemail message for Miller claiming Ronald Cummings told him "If I had $35,000, I could have Haleigh back."

Croslin said on the message he had witnesses claiming Ronald had made the statement.

Croslin said he thought Tim Miller was a friend and was angry that the pressure appeared to be on his daughter.

Miller sought the help of a fellow Texan and friend of Millers, Roy Moffitt of Roy Moffitt Customized Fueling Inc.. Moffit has since written a check to Ronald Cummings for $35,000 payable upon the safe return of Haleigh.

The Sky's TJ Hart asked Miller what exactly the $35,000 was for. Miller said he was only concerned about getting missing Haleigh back and that he "didn't give a damn."

Hart now has in his posession and has forwarded copies of telephone messages of Croslin making the $35,000 claim and another one from Ronald Cumming mother Teresa Neves from August 18th.

In that message, Neves appeared to be concerned about Misty’s state of mind, saying she won’t even be in the same room as Ronald,and leaves to talk on the phone privately and is acting “crazy” Neves urges Miller to come to Florida quickly because Misty ”is ready to crack’

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5137544.php

[SuzDuJour]

SO Hank Croslin, Sr. - not to be confused with Hank, Jr/TommyTimmy, called Tim Miller to say that Ronald told him he could get Haleigh back for $35K. Why do we think Ronald is even talking to Hank, Sr... I thought they were all beating each other up??

Geeez, I can't keep up with how strange this family is. And don't forget about Cousin Joe...who quickly left for TN the night Haleigh went missing. You know, the cousin Misty doesn't trust because he's been in trouble his whole life. Originally the police said they ruled him out and then said they hadn't ruled anybody out.

I'm beginning to think this family doesn't get along...

[lorettalockhorn]

SO Hank Croslin, Sr. - not to be confused with Hank, Jr/TommyTimmy, called Tim Miller to say that Ronald told him he could get Haleigh back for $35K. Why do we think Ronald is even talking to Hank, Sr... I thought they were all beating each other up??

Geeez, I can't keep up with how strange this family is. And don't forget about Cousin Joe...who quickly left for TN the night Haleigh went missing. You know, the cousin Misty doesn't trust because he's been in trouble his whole life. Originally the police said they ruled him out and then said they hadn't ruled anybody out.

I'm beginning to think this family doesn't get along...

HAH! Ya think?!?!

Hank Sr. may have been stoned out of his gourd when he called Tim Miller, not to be confused with Timmy Croslin who is Hank Jr/Tommy's brother. If Ron (and maybe he was stoned too) ever made such a statement, there's no telling when he did, maybe before the sh!t hit the fan. I'm thinking retaliation is a big part of what goes on between these two families, and the most dastardly blow that the Croslins may have dealt Ron is giving Misty permission to marry the guy. But doncha wonder why Hank gave this information to TM instead of to LE or Crimestoppers?

[wind149]

Holy crap!!! Daddykins done tole Tim Miller that Ron NEEDS JUST $35,000 TO GET HALEIGH BACK?? HUH? How come he waits till NOW to allegedly leave this message? I think it is pure D HORSE PUCKY, Daddykins is just trying to deflect attention off his daughter and that is all it is? And if this was the case and Ron did make this statement, then why have the cops not been privy to this FIRST? And if he hates Ron that much and is trying to save his loser daughter's ass, but yet, he calls the very man that "MADE" his loser daughter take and FLUNK A POLYGRAPH and VOICE STRESS TEST??? God these people get worse by the hour and have even surpassed my hatred towards Casey and Cindy?? Well we predicted that Ron and Misty would turn on each other and now it sounds like Daddy wants to start a war? And then there was his lame claim that Ron "poisoned" him by giving him pills and he done almost died? Now this loser was in an accident and surely if one has painful injuries, A DOCTOR would prescribe painkillers, so I am thinking the doc shut him off, Ron gives him something and he has a reaction to it, but who was the idiot who shoved them down his throat? The whole lot of them are going to turn on each other shortly you watch??? And I believe this here new crap is a ploy on his part to turn on Ron and to make people re-think his scum daughter is not involved??? Well my mind has been made up since day one and I am going to tune into NG, see you guys after, we are gonna want to hash this big time!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Just started watching NG, but if Ron's phone records show that he and Misty were have a phone call(s) "just before" Haleigh went missing, doesn't that kinda blow Misty's story about waking up and finding her missing out of the water? And if Misty was awake and talking on the phone, wouldn't it have been impossible for the perp to get in and grab Haleigh and block the door open, etc? Wouldn't Ron have been able to tell what was going on at home during these convos?

[lorettalockhorn]

Mike Brooks comments that there is still no probable cause. Not to be negative toward one of my favorite baldies, but to me the probably cause has a lot to do with the actual crime, and we don't know what the crime is. Kidnapping? Rape? Murder? And we don't know who committed the crime. Makes a big difference. At this point, probably cause is a moot point unless they want to work completely backwards.

[wind149]

What bug was up Nancy's ass this evening? She treated Crystal, the only innocent one in all of this, like absolute crap, but treats Ron like he is the victim in all of this?? Gee, they are such good buds, he calls her "Miz Nancy"???? and tonight she grills Crystal about what time Haleigh gets out of school and what time off the bus? Please, the woman did not live there and don't forget she and Ron were/are not exactly on the best of terms and that IMO is not a big deal, because Haleigh was seen in the park after all the kids would be home?? And I don't blame this poor woman for not wanting to talk to that skank, Nancy was trying to make her look like she was not giving a crap about her child by not wanting to talk about Misty? And she is under no obligation to us, the media and especially Nancy to convey her deepest darkest anger towards Misty, I think by not talking smack about her, shows she has a little class about her and she, I do have the utmost empathy for and her only "crime" was to hook up with that loser, but she too was very young and not well educated. She looked nice tonight, I thought and so did her mother and they answered her questions better than I would have!! Because I would have lost my temper at her rudeness! And she did show a touch of ire when Nancy kept hammering at her, sometimes, she can be a real pain in the ass and has a tendency of not giving a crap what she says and how much she can wound innocent people with her sarcastic remarks???

Totally uncalled for tonight, poor Crystal is not part of this f@cked up family anymore and she trusted in Ron to make sure her children were being well cared for and safe and had his word that Misty was doing just that? While this poor woman was stressing out over her beautiful child being gone, and having seizures and a car accident due to a seizure and trying to start a foundation in her daughter's name, these scumbags were gitting hitched under a cheesy dollar store arbor, and then getting a "honeymoon"courtesy of the Today Show??? And Nancy has the balls to get on her case because she does not know precisely when Haleigh gets out of school? My god-son gets out at 2:35, but since the school is away's from my house and his as we live near each other, he does not arrive home till around 4? Now this is not consistent every day, so how is poor Crystal supposed to know to the minute when Haleigh would do the same? PLEASE!! It could be 4:10 today and 4:22 tomorrow?? I just think that she was cruel and very nasty to this poor woman who has to wake up everyday to the reality that her child is gone and she goes to bed with the same reality, she is raising another child as well and has visitations with Jr and that little boy is going to help break this case, I have one of my guts on that?

And then she treats Ron, the worst loser of the lot, like he is golden in all of this?? Now she treated Cindy with kid gloves, but was all over George, who also is probably innocent in all of their mess?? I wonder how many people write or call about her attitude and sheer nastiness on behalf of the people she makes sure she gets on her show and then treats them like they are Bin Laden? I am willing to bet, that tonight, will be Crystal's last time on her show and who can blame her? feel compelled to e-mail her myself, but she don't give a crap anyway so why bother? I am usually defending her because some people hate her guts, so I do not understand why she was so awful to these women who are heartbroken and I am sure, deep down they know the odds of Haleigh coming back to them alive, is slim to none and I want her to hold onto as much hope as she can, we witnessed a miracle when Elizabeth Smart came home and Jaycee was just found alive, and I wish I could have a gut that says that Haleigh is going to do the same, but sadly, I don't feel it kids, and boy do I wish it would come true and I would have loved to meet her as she looks like a little angel and she looks like her mama.

A talking head, did bring up a very valid point. In the slim chance that Haleigh was taken by whoever, and this child had serious medical issues and had been hospitalized many times and had to take medications, how would the "kidnappers" obtain her meds as they would be prescribed by her pedi doc?? Surely, if Ron or someone else had gone to an RX to fill them, we would have known and more importantly, the law would have known? And it would be all over the media?? There is no way in hell, anyone has this child and is holding her for ransom? Now according to TJ, an argument over the phone happened between Ron and honey pie and allegedly it was over the fact that she had gone off on a "drug toot" for several days, how many spouses would not be pissed off if their wife took off? Both of my husbands would have tore me out a new one had I done that?? So there is no "love story" going on here, the marriage is a sham and they are so dumb they do not, still realize that this is no statue on FL law books that states a spouse can't testify against each other, especially since Haleigh went missing BEFORE they entered into "wedded bliss"?? Here again, they watched too many bad movies???

[deacon]

What bug was up Nancy's ass this evening? She treated Crystal, the only innocent one in all of this, like absolute crap, but treats Ron like he is the victim in all of this?? Gee, they are such good buds, he calls her "Miz Nancy"???? and tonight she grills Crystal about what time Haleigh gets out of school and what time off the bus? Please, the woman did not live there and don't forget she and Ron were/are not exactly on the best of terms and that IMO is not a big deal, because Haleigh was seen in the park after all the kids would be home?? And I don't blame this poor woman for not wanting to talk to that skank, Nancy was trying to make her look like she was not giving a crap about her child by not wanting to talk about Misty? And she is under no obligation to us, the media and especially Nancy to convey her deepest darkest anger towards Misty, I think by not talking smack about her, shows she has a little class about her and she, I do have the utmost empathy for and her only "crime" was to hook up with that loser, but she too was very young and not well educated. She looked nice tonight, I thought and so did her mother and they answered her questions better than I would have!! Because I would have lost my temper at her rudeness! And she did show a touch of ire when Nancy kept hammering at her, sometimes, she can be a real pain in the ass and has a tendency of not giving a crap what she says and how much she can wound innocent people with her sarcastic remarks???

Totally uncalled for tonight, poor Crystal is not part of this f@cked up family anymore and she trusted in Ron to make sure her children were being well cared for and safe and had his word that Misty was doing just that? While this poor woman was stressing out over her beautiful child being gone, and having seizures and a car accident due to a seizure and trying to start a foundation in her daughter's name, these scumbags were gitting hitched under a cheesy dollar store arbor, and then getting a "honeymoon"courtesy of the Today Show??? And Nancy has the balls to get on her case because she does not know precisely when Haleigh gets out of school? My god-son gets out at 2:35, but since the school is away's from my house and his as we live near each other, he does not arrive home till around 4? Now this is not consistent every day, so how is poor Crystal supposed to know to the minute when Haleigh would do the same? PLEASE!! It could be 4:10 today and 4:22 tomorrow?? I just think that she was cruel and very nasty to this poor woman who has to wake up everyday to the reality that her child is gone and she goes to bed with the same reality, she is raising another child as well and has visitations with Jr and that little boy is going to help break this case, I have one of my guts on that?

And then she treats Ron, the worst loser of the lot, like he is golden in all of this?? Now she treated Cindy with kid gloves, but was all over George, who also is probably innocent in all of their mess?? I wonder how many people write or call about her attitude and sheer nastiness on behalf of the people she makes sure she gets on her show and then treats them like they are Bin Laden? I am willing to bet, that tonight, will be Crystal's last time on her show and who can blame her? feel compelled to e-mail her myself, but she don't give a crap anyway so why bother? I am usually defending her because some people hate her guts, so I do not understand why she was so awful to these women who are heartbroken and I am sure, deep down they know the odds of Haleigh coming back to them alive, is slim to none and I want her to hold onto as much hope as she can, we witnessed a miracle when Elizabeth Smart came home and Jaycee was just found alive, and I wish I could have a gut that says that Haleigh is going to do the same, but sadly, I don't feel it kids, and boy do I wish it would come true and I would have loved to meet her as she looks like a little angel and she looks like her mama.

A talking head, did bring up a very valid point. In the slim chance that Haleigh was taken by whoever, and this child had serious medical issues and had been hospitalized many times and had to take medications, how would the "kidnappers" obtain her meds as they would be prescribed by her pedi doc?? Surely, if Ron or someone else had gone to an RX to fill them, we would have known and more importantly, the law would have known? And it would be all over the media?? There is no way in hell, anyone has this child and is holding her for ransom? Now according to TJ, an argument over the phone happened between Ron and honey pie and allegedly it was over the fact that she had gone off on a "drug toot" for several days, how many spouses would not be pissed off if their wife took off? Both of my husbands would have tore me out a new one had I done that?? So there is no "love story" going on here, the marriage is a sham and they are so dumb they do not, still realize that this is no statue on FL law books that states a spouse can't testify against each other, especially since Haleigh went missing BEFORE they entered into "wedded bliss"?? Here again, they watched too many bad movies???

Nance Grace is show business and not news. Kinda like the WWE, not a sport but entertainment. Nancy is about being bossy and bit.... now and not following a story. That is why I have stopped watching her.

Bombshell tonight....nancy is full of herself and crap.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, I'm with the folks who think that Nancy may be playing Ron just a little. But you're exactly right that she treats Crystal with undue hostility. Sure, I would want to know every little thing about Haleigh's schedule, but would Ron&Misty tell her the truth? And what's up with Nancy hammering away about the inconsistencies? She did the same with Ron herself, but in a butter won't melt in the mouth manner. She only got a little tough with Ron a couple of times. And she knows damn good and well that there are rumors of Misty being on a toot the prior weekend and out of the house that night; hell, LE has even asked for people to come forward with information about that night.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nancy tells Kirby What'sHisName that we know what time Ron went to work. Wish she'd tell us, because I've never heard it confirmed. And Nancy yammers on and on about Ron being surprised coming home and finding Haleigh missing. Helllllloooooo She told us at the beginning of the program that Ron&Misty had an argument on the phone shortly before Haleigh went missing. Ron should have a clue what was going on in the background during those calls.

RE: Haleigh's medications and inhaler, etc., I would hope that LE and the DEA could do some tracking of the filling of those prescriptions.

[old_soul]

Tim Miller's audiotape freaked the he** out of me tonight!

Did you all hear what he said?! Ronnie told him, "Misty didn't sleep at all that night, never made the bed, didn't have any fricken laundry detergent so she didn't wash fricken anything that night, that b***h has something to do with my kid's disappearance...."
They were NOT having cordial conversations that night, he**, Misty and he weren't even talking (no wonder she waited so long to call him initially)
etc., etc.....................

Good God, this is so fricken convoluted...

Where the he** is Haleigh?! Re: her questioning of Crystal...The only thing I agree with NG about is getting hold of Misty and cornering her about where her daughter is! Crystal saying she hasn't spoken to her since that phone call....:no:

Imagine if it was one of US wanting to get that info???? .

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[DrewBerry]

Drew, great news about Adam. So sorry to hear about your Mother, is it non-PC to hold an intervention for this sort of thing? Not meaning to come off as cruel, but this inability to deal can threaten her physical health and severely shorten her lifespan. (Not that you don't know that.) When My Sainted Mother died, my Dad was so deeply depressed that he too neglected his own health and activities literally for years. It took an odd chain of events and some baldfaced lies last year to get him into ICU to correct his CHF, straighten out his diabetes, get him on a serious diet and now finally things are turning around.

Sorry to hear about your BIL, I know your sister must be heartbroken and frightened. I'll say a prayer for y'all.

Love ya!

Thanks for the prayer and your kind words, dear Loretta. I will post more on the "Anything else" thread so I'm not violating OT rule.
:seeya:
Drew

[DrewBerry]

Tim Miller's audiotape freaked the he** out of me tonight!

Did you all hear what he said?! Ronnie told him, "Misty didn't sleep at all that night, never made the bed, didn't have any fricken laundry detergent so she didn't wash fricken anything that night, that b***h has something to do with my kid's disappearance...."
They were NOT having cordial conversations that night, he**, Misty and he weren't even talking (no wonder she waited so long to call him initially)
etc., etc.....................

Good God, this is so fricken convoluted...

Where the he** is Haleigh?! Re: her questioning of Crystal...The only thing I agree with NG about is getting hold of Misty and cornering her about where her daughter is! Crystal saying she hasn't spoken to her since that phone call....:no:

Imagine if it was one of US wanting to get that info???? .

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OMG! I'm just now watching NG and I cannot believe Crystal knows so little about the day her daughter went missing. NG is flabbergasted, as am I, that Crystal has a lot of "I dunno" responses to simple, basic questions such as what time little Haleigh got out of school, what time she gets off the school bus. :flamemad:
ITA, OS! I would have cornered Misty long ago and demanded answers. And, yes, I can imagine if it was one of US. It wouldn't be pretty!
:seeya:
Drew

[lorettalockhorn]

Tim Miller's audiotape freaked the he** out of me tonight!

Did you all hear what he said?! Ronnie told him, "Misty didn't sleep at all that night, never made the bed, didn't have any fricken laundry detergent so she didn't wash fricken anything that night, that b***h has something to do with my kid's disappearance...."
They were NOT having cordial conversations that night, he**, Misty and he weren't even talking (no wonder she waited so long to call him initially)
etc., etc.....................

Good God, this is so fricken convoluted...

Where the he** is Haleigh?! Re: her questioning of Crystal...The only thing I agree with NG about is getting hold of Misty and cornering her about where her daughter is! Crystal saying she hasn't spoken to her since that phone call....:no:

Imagine if it was one of US wanting to get that info???? .

http://i31.tinypic.com/4l0z1y.jpg

If I was of frail health and I'll assume that's how we might categorize Crystal's situation, I'm not sure that I'd confront Misty either. Especially considering the propensity to violence that the Croslin/Cummingses seem to embrace. What we don't know is whether or not Crystal has contact with LE as to what has transpired and what LE is willing to tell her. Ron seems to think that LE should be contacting him. I think most of us would be camped out on the front steps of the SO to hear the least bit of news or progress on the case (as opposed to Ron being inSIDE the pokey). Misty isn't any more likely to give Crystal a straight answer than she is to give LE the truth.

Take into consideration that I think Crystal is hella more laid back than I am. I have a tendency to get up in people's business and can only imagine how exponentially that trait would mushroom if my firstborn was missing.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the prayer and your kind words, dear Loretta. I will post more on the "Anything else" thread so I'm not violating OT rule.
:seeya:
Drew

Thanks, babe. Because of the schlepping I do in summer I got weeks/months? behind in the Anything Else thread, but I'll be doing some catching up now that it's fall (for the time being!) in Arkansas.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ron's Lawyer: Girl Talks To Haleigh, Kept by Man "Larry"

TJ Hart


Family and friends of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings who was snatched from her Satsuma home in February are treating with cautious optimism word that the Haleigh is alive and she has been talking to another girl.

This came to light Wednesday when HLN producer for the Nancy Grace Show asked Terry Shoemaker, the attorney for Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, what he thought about the claims by Ronald's father in-law that he could get his daughter back if he had $35,000.

AUDIO: Hank Croslin Sr.'s Voice Message

Lance: Did Ronald tell Misty's father that if he had $35,000, he'd be able to bring haleigh home?

Shoemaker: I would deny that Ronald ever told misty’s father that. The story is complicated but Ronald has a friend who has this little four year old girl and this came up in our fdle conversation yesterday. Ronald was talking to the girl and the girl said she talks to Haleigh and he asked her what Haleigh tells her. She responded saying that she told her is that she is being kept by a guy named Larry. What Ronald said to Misty’s dad is that if we knew who Larry was and 35 thousand dollars then we could get her back. Ronald doesn’t have any idea who has Haleigh and if he had a million dollars wouldn’t know what to do with it to get her back...

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php

Lawsy. So even though Ron says he can't talk to Hank, he does? And why does Ron need that $35K anyway, that's the amount of the reward being offered. Let the reward be awarded for Haleigh's return.

[DrewBerry]

Just started watching NG, but if Ron's phone records show that he and Misty were have a phone call(s) "just before" Haleigh went missing, doesn't that kinda blow Misty's story about waking up and finding her missing out of the water? And if Misty was awake and talking on the phone, wouldn't it have been impossible for the perp to get in and grab Haleigh and block the door open, etc? Wouldn't Ron have been able to tell what was going on at home during these convos?

Loretta: Yes, indeed! to all of the above. :beer:
Also, did I hear correctly tonight on NG that Tim Miller asked Ron why he married Misty if she's such a "dumb b***h" and Ron supposedly stated: "You keep your friends close and your enemies closer." :confused: WTF!!
Why do you think Tim is revealing all these "tid-bits" now? I'll have to think about this for a bit. Things are definitely heating up, huh?
:seeya:
Drew

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta: Yes, indeed! to all of the above. :beer:
Also, did I hear correctly tonight on NG that Tim Miller asked Ron why he married Misty if she's such a "dumb b***h" and Ron supposedly stated: "You keep your friends close and your enemies closer." :confused: WTF!!
Why do you think Tim is revealing all these "tid-bits" now? I'll have to think about this for a bit. Things are definitely heating up, huh?
:seeya:
Drew

What TM said about "keeping your enemies closer" is exactly what Cobra reported that Ron said the night of the failed re-enactment. Hmmm

Not sure what's up with Tim. Honestly, I think he may be baiting Ron somewhat. BUT baiting him with the truth.

I do not for a minute think that LE doesn't consider Ron a POI. Minimally.

[DrewBerry]

If I was of frail health and I'll assume that's how we might categorize Crystal's situation, I'm not sure that I'd confront Misty either. Especially considering the propensity to violence that the Croslin/Cummingses seem to embrace. What we don't know is whether or not Crystal has contact with LE as to what has transpired and what LE is willing to tell her. Ron seems to think that LE should be contacting him. I think most of us would be camped out on the front steps of the SO to hear the least bit of news or progress on the case (as opposed to Ron being inSIDE the pokey). Misty isn't any more likely to give Crystal a straight answer than she is to give LE the truth.

Take into consideration that I think Crystal is hella more laid back than I am. I have a tendency to get up in people's business and can only imagine how exponentially that trait would mushroom if my firstborn was missing.

I have overlooked Crystal's health problems (seizures, right?) and I suppose I'm not as sympathetic to her as I was in the beginning. As a mother myself, I just know I wouldn't be this uninformed, laid back, and confused as Crystal seemed to be tonight. ITA, Misty isn't more likely to give Crystal any honest answers but I sure as heck would be pushing. Also, I keep forgetting that Crystal and the whole lot, are clearly uneducated and ignorant in many ways. However, motherly instincts don't require a diploma. I was just surprised that Crystal could only respond "I dunno" to just about every question asked of her tonight. :shrug:
DrewB

[SuzDuJour]

I keep running through my head - who has motivation to either kidnap or murder Haleigh?

Misty = because she's so young and babysitting can be difficult
Ron = because he has an uncontrolled temper
Pedophile = because he wanted to use her up and throw her away

What I can't reconcile is that if Misty killed her, why would Ron marry her? I don't think for a minute he worried about her being underage...sure seems like she has something on him. Which leads us to Ron getting out of control and Misty knows what happened. She saw it, she pressured him into a wedding, she looks at him everytime a question is asked. He continues to defend her when we all know she's lying.

Pedophile = seems like Misty wouldn't have any problems turning in Cousin Joe.

I keep coming back to Ronald...do we know for certain he passed his poly?

[old_soul]

I have overlooked Crystal's health problems (seizures, right?) and I suppose I'm not as sympathetic to her as I was in the beginning. As a mother myself, I just know I wouldn't be this uninformed, laid back, and confused as Crystal seemed to be tonight. ITA, Misty isn't more likely to give Crystal any honest answers but I sure as heck would be pushing. Also, I keep forgetting that Crystal and the whole lot, are clearly uneducated and ignorant in many ways. However, motherly instincts don't require a diploma. I was just surprised that Crystal could only respond "I dunno" to just about every question asked of her tonight. :shrug:
DrewB

Yup. Those motherly instincts beat out my health, my kindness and patience and anything else I might be known for! Where, little girl is my kid?! What were you doing when she was taken?! What happened?!

Minimal telephone conversation just won't cut it! I'd ring her fricken house 24/7 until I got the answers she hasn't given...

If I were Crystal, when I heard her 'Rose' story and her dream??????????!!!!.....

Forget about it!!!!!http://i26.tinypic.com/5mk3dy.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

I have overlooked Crystal's health problems (seizures, right?) and I suppose I'm not as sympathetic to her as I was in the beginning. As a mother myself, I just know I wouldn't be this uninformed, laid back, and confused as Crystal seemed to be tonight. ITA, Misty isn't more likely to give Crystal any honest answers but I sure as heck would be pushing. Also, I keep forgetting that Crystal and the whole lot, are clearly uneducated and ignorant in many ways. However, motherly instincts don't require a diploma. I was just surprised that Crystal could only respond "I dunno" to just about every question asked of her tonight. :shrug:
DrewB

Such a great point! I see your posture and OS's and Crystal's approach isn't mine for sure. But I think I can see how/why it might be hers. I honestly think Crystal is probably only just now realizing that she has a voice after being put down by the Putnam County judge and Cummings machine. I loved that she pointed out at least once to NG that she had gotten information from the Nancy Grace Show. Kinda made Nancy's incredulousness seem ffalse! As far as I know, Crystal wouldn't be privileged to some information directly from the school; I can tell you from my own personal experience (I know, anecdotal evidence means squat), my ex hubby was not on a need to know basis at the school or daycare or Sunday school or anywhere else when it came to My Little Love's schedule, and it's possible that Crystal wasn't privy to Haleigh's either. :shrug:

I've read an old adage many times re: law and the court; never ask a question unless you already know the answer, and I'm sure that Nancy is well aware of that rule and asks Crystal questions accordingly. She knows ahead of time when CS will answer that she dunno!

[lorettalockhorn]

I keep running through my head - who has motivation to either kidnap or murder Haleigh?

Misty = because she's so young and babysitting can be difficult
Ron = because he has an uncontrolled temper
Pedophile = because he wanted to use her up and throw her away

What I can't reconcile is that if Misty killed her, why would Ron marry her? I don't think for a minute he worried about her being underage...sure seems like she has something on him. Which leads us to Ron getting out of control and Misty knows what happened. She saw it, she pressured him into a wedding, she looks at him everytime a question is asked. He continues to defend her when we all know she's lying.

Pedophile = seems like Misty wouldn't have any problems turning in Cousin Joe.

I keep coming back to Ronald...do we know for certain he passed his poly?

Nope. We just have his word as a law abiding citizen.

:rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

Yup. Those motherly instincts beat out my health, my kindness and patience and anything else I might be known for! Where, little girl is my kid?! What were you doing when she was taken?! What happened?!

Minimal telephone conversation just won't cut it! I'd ring her fricken house 24/7 until I got the answers she hasn't given...

If I were Crystal, when I heard her 'Rose' story and her dream??????????!!!!.....

Forget about it!!!!!http://i26.tinypic.com/5mk3dy.jpg

Gawd I sound like a Crystal-ite tonight! There is built in to just about every divorce and custody agreement a protection agreement that would be fair warning to Crystal (and also to Ron&Misty) not to harass the other party. Prosecution of such a thing might be waivered under these extreme conditions, but all things considered, if I was Crystal (and boy am I not!), I wouldn't press the issue. It's gonna be hard for her to pay child support for TWO children and take care of her little one if she's sitting in jail for contempt of court.

[lorettalockhorn]

Cobra's pre-trial hearing tomorrow:

2009-08-03 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 09/03/2009

2009-08-04 13 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF COUNSEL; WAIVER OF PERSONAL

2009-08-04 13 APPEARANCE AT ARRAIGNMENT; WRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY

2009-08-04 13 FILED BY DONALD HOLMES

2009-08-04 14 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY

2009-08-05 15 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (09/03/2009)

2009-08-05 16 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (09/03/2009)


Don't understand how this charge can exist to begin with, let alone get to the point where it gets in front of a judge. Godspeed Cobra.

[DrewBerry]

Gawd I sound like a Crystal-ite tonight! There is built in to just about every divorce and custody agreement a protection agreement that would be fair warning to Crystal (and also to Ron&Misty) not to harass the other party. Prosecution of such a thing might be waivered under these extreme conditions, but all things considered, if I was Crystal (and boy am I not!), I wouldn't press the issue. It's gonna be hard for her to pay child support for TWO children and take care of her little one if she's sitting in jail for contempt of court.

Loretta, I don't consider you a Crystal-ite! You make a good point about custody orders, parenting plans, etc. And, as you've stated, I would guess that some of the details of the orders would be waived under these conditions. I wonder what type of visitation arrangements were in place before Haleigh went missing. Perhaps Crystal wasn't allowed to pick up her child from school, daycare, etc. If I recall, didn't Crystal live a few hours away from the kids? That whole bit about losing custody because she didn't receive the notification of the court date in time bothers me as well. As you know, I'm not a Ronnie fan, but I'm not a real fan of anyone in this damn group of idiots. These kids were at high risk for this very thing to happen given the background of the adults in their lives. JMO.
I have a feeling we'll know lots more in the next few days.
g'nite all!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I keep running through my head - who has motivation to either kidnap or murder Haleigh?

Misty = because she's so young and babysitting can be difficult
Ron = because he has an uncontrolled temper
Pedophile = because he wanted to use her up and throw her away

What I can't reconcile is that if Misty killed her, why would Ron marry her? I don't think for a minute he worried about her being underage...sure seems like she has something on him. Which leads us to Ron getting out of control and Misty knows what happened. She saw it, she pressured him into a wedding, she looks at him everytime a question is asked. He continues to defend her when we all know she's lying.

Pedophile = seems like Misty wouldn't have any problems turning in Cousin Joe.

I keep coming back to Ronald...do we know for certain he passed his poly?

Hi Suz! Good question. Been wondering the same thing. I'm sure LE has not cleared him of anything either.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Nope. We just have his word as a law abiding citizen.

:rolleyes:

HA! HA! You constantly crack me up! :D

Drew

[lorettalockhorn]

From TJH's post yesterday:

...Lance: Did Ronald tell Misty's father that if he had $35,000, he'd be able to bring haleigh home?

Shoemaker: I would deny that Ronald ever told misty’s father that. The story is complicated but Ronald has a friend who has this little four year old girl and this came up in our fdle conversation yesterday. Ronald was talking to the girl and the girl said she talks to Haleigh and he asked her what Haleigh tells her. She responded saying that she told her is that she is being kept by a guy named Larry. What Ronald said to Misty’s dad is that if we knew who Larry was and 35 thousand dollars then we could get her back. Ronald doesn’t have any idea who has Haleigh and if he had a million dollars wouldn’t know what to do with it to get her back...

Does this make sense? No wonder Nancy fawns over Shoemaker's abilities and reputation, he speaks double-talk. I predict a bright future as a politician for him.

[lorettalockhorn]

Video of Crystal on NG, 9/2/09:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime/2009/09/02/ng.haleigh.mom.cnn.html

[Amy]

The one I remember seeing on tv was like a construction dumpster which is pulled onto the back of the truck and removed. At least that was the type they show on all of the news shows.

I wasn't thinking about the dumpster being near a construction site. :punch: I suppose, if I paid attention to those type of dumpsters, that is probably how those are handled here, too.

[Amy]

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Texas Equusearch expects to receive a gift of $35,000 in hopes of finding Haleigh Cummings, who has been missing for more than six months.

Director Tim Miller sought out the money from a sponsor and will put it in an account.

Miller says this stems from a tip that said Haleigh's father Ronald needs $35,000 to get his daughter back.

But, Ronald Cummings' attorney says this is misinformation, and says Ronald does not know where his daughter is, and the money will not bring her home.

First Coast News is continuing to follow this developing story. CLICK HERE for complete coverage of the Search for Haleigh.



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=144348&catid=3

Guess Ronald Cummings' attorney didn't read the information coming from his client's FIL. :punch::chicken:

[Amy]

Holy crap!!! Daddykins done tole Tim Miller that Ron NEEDS JUST $35,000 TO GET HALEIGH BACK?? HUH? How come he waits till NOW to allegedly leave this message? I think it is pure D HORSE PUCKY, Daddykins is just trying to deflect attention off his daughter and that is all it is? And if this was the case and Ron did make this statement, then why have the cops not been privy to this FIRST? And if he hates Ron that much and is trying to save his loser daughter's ass, but yet, he calls the very man that "MADE" his loser daughter take and FLUNK A POLYGRAPH and VOICE STRESS TEST??? God these people get worse by the hour and have even surpassed my hatred towards Casey and Cindy?? Well we predicted that Ron and Misty would turn on each other and now it sounds like Daddy wants to start a war? And then there was his lame claim that Ron "poisoned" him by giving him pills and he done almost died? Now this loser was in an accident and surely if one has painful injuries, A DOCTOR would prescribe painkillers, so I am thinking the doc shut him off, Ron gives him something and he has a reaction to it, but who was the idiot who shoved them down his throat? The whole lot of them are going to turn on each other shortly you watch??? And I believe this here new crap is a ploy on his part to turn on Ron and to make people re-think his scum daughter is not involved??? Well my mind has been made up since day one and I am going to tune into NG, see you guys after, we are gonna want to hash this big time!!

If I followed the "story" correctly--and we all know how hard that is to do!!!--I think Hank Sr, not to be confused with Timmy and Hank Jr/Tommy :D gave that info prior to Tim Miller coming back to search? Or, if it was after, like you say, it would deflect attention away from the fact that his daughter failed all tests administered by TM's associated. IMO, he knows there was no pressure on TM's part about those tests.

So, the question would be--did Ron Cummings actually say that, or is Hank Croslin, Sr, not to be confused w/Timmy or Hank, Jr/Tommy, just making this up to get the focus back on Ron's possible involvement of Haleigh's disappearance? The one thing I would bet the farm on is that he did tell this to Tim Miller.

I suppose they don't "trust" LE much any more, considering Ron has been arrested--I can't remember, once or was it twice, recently. One for the bruhaha w/the Croslin clan, and another drug related?

[Amy]

OMG! I'm just now watching NG and I cannot believe Crystal knows so little about the day her daughter went missing. NG is flabbergasted, as am I, that Crystal has a lot of "I dunno" responses to simple, basic questions such as what time little Haleigh got out of school, what time she gets off the school bus. :flamemad:
ITA, OS! I would have cornered Misty long ago and demanded answers. And, yes, I can imagine if it was one of US. It wouldn't be pretty!
:seeya:
Drew

I agree w/wind on the what time did she get out of school, what time she gets off the bus thing. It would certainly depend on whether or not Ron and/or Misti deigned to tell her, or if they even told her the truth. Heck, after listening to that crew, do any of US know? Ron took her to school, Ron picked her up that day (from school or from the bus?) No, it was Misti who claims to have picked her up. And, IIRC, even Teresa claimed @ one time to have (or was it GGMS?) I don't know as if I have ever heard Ron or Misti or TN or GGMS mentioning times. Did NG grill Ron and/or Misti about times? (Sorry, can't do the NG thing anymore, life is too short.)

[Amy]

I keep running through my head - who has motivation to either kidnap or murder Haleigh?

Misty = because she's so young and babysitting can be difficult
Ron = because he has an uncontrolled temper
Pedophile = because he wanted to use her up and throw her away

What I can't reconcile is that if Misty killed her, why would Ron marry her? I don't think for a minute he worried about her being underage...sure seems like she has something on him. Which leads us to Ron getting out of control and Misty knows what happened. She saw it, she pressured him into a wedding, she looks at him everytime a question is asked. He continues to defend her when we all know she's lying.

Pedophile = seems like Misty wouldn't have any problems turning in Cousin Joe.

I keep coming back to Ronald...do we know for certain he passed his poly?

I don't think LE has divulged whether anyone has passed or failed the polys. Any information on those have come from those who took them. Except for the recent one w/Tim Miller, of course.

I don't know what Misti was thinking, if she "had something" on Ron, and pressured him to marry him (or he tho't it would be a good idea :chicken:) According to I think it is TN, Misti is afraid to be in the same room as Ron, goes outside for phone calls, etc. (Wonder to whom she is talking, and WHAT she is saying?) I gather TN thinks it is because Misti is the perp, or it is one of "her" friends, and Misti is afraid of what Ron might do. OTOH, it very well could be that, in their most private moments, Ron has intimidated, if you will, Misti about revealing information if he or one of HIS friends might be involved. Wonder if Misti is regretting her hasty wedding, for whichever reason?

[Amy]

Nope. We just have his word as a law abiding citizen.

:rolleyes:

Don't forget--one who was just "working for an honest living" @ the time his daughter was abducted. Of course, that being the last time he did so. I've always wondered, why was that such an important statement to make @ the time. IIRC, he said that several times in that first interview. Working @ an honest living as opposed to what? Was he formerly working @ a dishonest living? Or was he doing both, and that night just happened to be a time when he was @ the "honest living" workplace? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

If I followed the "story" correctly--and we all know how hard that is to do!!!--I think Hank Sr, not to be confused with Timmy and Hank Jr/Tommy :D gave that info prior to Tim Miller coming back to search? Or, if it was after, like you say, it would deflect attention away from the fact that his daughter failed all tests administered by TM's associated. IMO, he knows there was no pressure on TM's part about those tests.

So, the question would be--did Ron Cummings actually say that, or is Hank Croslin, Sr, not to be confused w/Timmy or Hank, Jr/Tommy, just making this up to get the focus back on Ron's possible involvement of Haleigh's disappearance? The one thing I would bet the farm on is that he did tell this to Tim Miller.

I suppose they don't "trust" LE much any more, considering Ron has been arrested--I can't remember, once or was it twice, recently. One for the bruhaha w/the Croslin clan, and another drug related?

The incident in June was interference with child custody, don't think he was actually arrested.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't forget--one who was just "working for an honest living" @ the time his daughter was abducted. Of course, that being the last time he did so. I've always wondered, why was that such an important statement to make @ the time. IIRC, he said that several times in that first interview. Working @ an honest living as opposed to what? Was he formerly working @ a dishonest living? Or was he doing both, and that night just happened to be a time when he was @ the "honest living" workplace? :shrug:

Yes, that one cracked me up!

[wind149]

You guys take her kindness towards Ron as just playing the Devil's Advocate? I know in the past she has been a tad sarcastic towards him, but she was just about slopping sugar over him last night?? Now maybe that is the prosecutor in her that is playing up to his emotions and do you think she is going to move in for the kill? So let's say for the sake of argument, that is what she has intentions of doing, but why be so downright hostile to Crystal? What purpose did that serve? It made me angry to listen to her repeatedly insisting that she tell her the precise time Haleigh is released for the day?? And when Crystal could not tell her, then she rolls her eyes and gets that "OH REALLY" look on her face and wants us, her audience to believe that Crystal is a horrible mother simply because she won't talk smack about Misty and did you all catch her badgering her about that and that she does not know her child's whereabouts or routine 24/7 and besides that. she does not even live in Deliverance? Now some kids go to bed every night around the same time frame so how the hell would Crystal know exactly to the minute when Haleigh goes down for the night?? I just think she could have been more sympathetic towards her as she is the innocent party.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Update: Is The Timeline Improving?

TJ Hart


There is some new information coming into The SKY News Room pertaining to the timeline regarding the disappearance of 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma who was taken from her home February 9, 2009.

News Talk 97.3 the Sky has learned the following information from several highly credible sources close to the investigation:

Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings had a fight with then babysitter -now bride Misty Croslin-Cummings at about 8:30 the night the child was abducted. That fight took place over the phone while Cummings was at his job at PDM near Palataka, FL.

Ronald's work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.

News Talk 97.3 The SKY hopes to get more information regarding Ronald and Misty's phone records shortly...

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5144515.php

[tv]

You guys take her kindness towards Ron as just playing the Devil's Advocate? I know in the past she has been a tad sarcastic towards him, but she was just about slopping sugar over him last night?? Now maybe that is the prosecutor in her that is playing up to his emotions and do you think she is going to move in for the kill? So let's say for the sake of argument, that is what she has intentions of doing, but why be so downright hostile to Crystal? What purpose did that serve? It made me angry to listen to her repeatedly insisting that she tell her the precise time Haleigh is released for the day?? And when Crystal could not tell her, then she rolls her eyes and gets that "OH REALLY" look on her face and wants us, her audience to believe that Crystal is a horrible mother simply because she won't talk smack about Misty and did you all catch her badgering her about that and that she does not know her child's whereabouts or routine 24/7 and besides that. she does not even live in Deliverance? Now some kids go to bed every night around the same time frame so how the hell would Crystal know exactly to the minute when Haleigh goes down for the night?? I just think she could have been more sympathetic towards her as she is the innocent party.

I wouldn't nominate Crystal for mother of the year but she's far better than Ronald or Misty either one. Nancy Grace has had it in for Crystal from day one. I've noticed she does this with people that are easy to bully. If she tried to do the same to Ronald Cummings he'd tell her to eff off. Her anger should be vented at Ronald for not demanding answers from the only person in a position to give them -- Misty. Sometimes I'm embarrassed for NG but she doesn't seem to have enough sense to be embarrassed for herself.

[lorettalockhorn]

TV, Nancy comes off as self-righteous with Crystal. Don't know any other way to put it. To me, her prejudice against Crystal is based on the fact that she is the non-custodial parent, but I have never, NEVER seen her blast a man who doesn't have physical custody or who has shared custody of his kids. Never.

On the surface, it would appear that Ron was the better choice for custody in '05 (if you're willing to forget that he had committed statutory rape), but we know that there are issues, and if NG wants to be any better at her job than say Greta VS who so very often is not up-to-date on the facts and issues, she needs to take time away from exposing her children on the internet and do some background research on Haleigh's pathetic situation.

Okay. I feel better now.

[lorettalockhorn]

$35K put up for girl's return

By Larry Sullivan and Kristin Chambers
Published: Thursday, September 3, 2009 3:27 AM EDT
A Texas businessman has offered $35,000 in response to a claim that Haleigh Cummings could be found for that price.

The money, in the form of a check to Haleigh's father, Ronald, was offered Wednesday by Cypress, Texas, businessman Roy Moffitt, according to Tim Miller, director of the Texas-based search organization EquuSearch.

Miller said the figure was cited in a voice mail he received Tuesday from Cummings' father-in-law Hank Croslin.

In the voice mail, Croslin says Cummings had said he could get Haleigh "back" if he had $35,000, Miller said.

Miller described Moffitt as "a very, very kind person" who backs the search organization. Miller said Moffitt wrote on the check that it was payable only upon Haleigh's return.

"He told me, 'I pray to God that Ronald Cummings has the opportunity to cash this check,'" Miller said.

Moffitt also offered to bring cash to Florida if it would mean the 6-year-old girl could be found, Miller said.

"How do you put a dollar amount on it," Miller said, "if there's a chance that little girl is alive out there?"

Miller, who has led two searches - one last weekend - for Haleigh, recently arranged for polygraph tests and other exams for Misty Croslin-Cummings regarding Haleigh's disappearance, which he said she failed.

In an interview Wednesday night, Miller expressed surprise he has been criticized by people associated with the Cummingses.

"We did everything that they asked us to do," he said.

Meanwhile, Ronald Cummings' objective is to keep Haleigh's face in the spotlight, even when the publicity seems negative, his attorney says.

"Our goal is just to have Haleigh's picture on TV every day," Terry Shoemaker said. "Even if it involves negative publicity about Misty, it puts Haleigh's face on TV."

Shoemaker began representing Cummings about a week ago when Cummings approached the St. Augustine attorney to defend him from pending charges involving a reported fight with his in-laws.

"Charges have not been filed yet, but obviously our role there is to get the charges dropped before they make a filing decision," Shoemaker said.

Cummings faces a charge of burglary with battery stemming from a confrontation with his brother-in-law last month.

The attorney is also handling a family law case involving custody of Ronald Junior, Cummings' son, and the ongoing search for Haleigh.

"Our role there is to look out for Ronald's best interest and make sure Haleigh stays in the spotlight and people continue to look for Haleigh," Shoemaker said.

Misty Croslin-Cummings, Ronald's wife, agrees that Haleigh should come first, her attorney said.

"I think that she shares that goal with him," her attorney, Robert Fields, said. "It's Ronald's goal, and she feels the same way."

Cummings' continues to support his wife's story after she reportedly failed lie detector tests last week.

Croslin-Cummings has proclaimed that Equusearch founder Tim Miller tricked her into taking a polygraph, a voice analysis and undergoing hypnosis, but Miller said it was her decision to take the tests in effort to clear her name.

"He (Cummings) doesn't have much faith in the way that the polygraph was done or the results of the polygraph," Shoemaker said. "He believes what Misty has told him regarding anything that she might know, and until he gets valid proof or some facts that lead him to believe differently, he's going to stand by her - she's his wife."

Shoemaker said Cummings will do anything is takes to find his daughter, even if it means undergoing another polygraph.

"I know the investigation is continuing. We've met with law enforcement in the past couple of days and we hope to meet with law enforcement again soon to help shed any light on Haleigh's disappearance," Shoemaker said. "We will do anything we can to help resolve this.

Also, in a statement issued Tuesday, Haleigh's maternal family expressed support for Miller and his organization.

"I would like to thank Tim Miller for trying to help find my daughter," Crystal Sheffield said in the statement. "All I want is Haleigh back home."...


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/03/news/news02.txt

[tv]

Loretta, I agree with the non-custodial mother thing. That's the only thing I can come up with that prejudices NG against Crystal. She must think that because she has the twins she's an expert on mothering and above reproach. I think it's irresponsible the way she exposes them on tv. Sometimes when people call in and gush over how beautiful they are and she gets those fake tears and sniffles I think I'm going to scream. I would say more but I have steadfast policy of finding all children perfect. :)

It's obvious that GVS has no interest in some of the cases she reports on. I haven't watched her on any regular basis since she made an idiot of herself with Leonard Padilla. Not that I'm taking up for LP but she had no idea what she was talking about.

[lorettalockhorn]

Audio to TN has been added:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5137544.php

(Don't think it was there before. :shrug: )

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, I agree with the non-custodial mother thing. That's the only thing I can come up with that prejudices NG against Crystal. She must think that because she has the twins she's an expert on mothering and above reproach. I think it's irresponsible the way she exposes them on tv. Sometimes when people call in and gush over how beautiful they are and she gets those fake tears and sniffles I think I'm going to scream. I would say more but I have steadfast policy of finding all children perfect. :)

It's obvious that GVS has no interest in some of the cases she reports on. I haven't watched her on any regular basis since she made an idiot of herself with Leonard Padilla. Not that I'm taking up for LP but she had no idea what she was talking about.

I don't watch GVS either although I have a few times and found it frustrating that she knows less than her audience!

Good to see you in here, we're just a bunch of practical folks when it comes to kids!

Yes, Nancy's the expert all right. And I've noticed that she manages to get into the conversation that her babes were premature every chance she gets, and can't help but wonder if that's because her wedding was such a big damned secret. I mean let's face it; she's not exactly known for wanting to keep her family out of the media what with her her constant babbling and blathering about the baby blog. I think her kids are great too, but her news/discussion program isn't the place to go on and on about them.

[lorettalockhorn]

Think I've been misunderstanding people on TV and in interviews the past couple of days; in TN's message it sounds like Misty won't let Ron out of her sight, not for a phone call or to step out and smoke. What I had interpreted before was that she was having secret phone calls. That's not the case according to this.

So Mother Teresa knew what the plan was re: Ron&Misty going out of town with TM. Makes it kind of ridic for them to get in front of the camera and act like they've been snookered if it was a generally accepted plan.

I think Ron says in public as little as possible in public if it doesn't support Misty and his statements can pretty much be discounted. What matters is what he's saying to LE. Period.

[wind149]

I stand firm on Crystal, she strikes me as a meek person, not one to be confrontational like I am and she said she did talk to Misty and that she was still singing the same song, so what did Nancy expect her to do? Haul off and belt her one? No, I think she is doing the right thing, she is making sure that people do not think of her as just plain white trash like everyone thinks of the Scummings and Croslin clan and she is under, like I said, no obligation to tell her feelings about Misty to anyone and maybe she felt if she did talk smack about her she would appear to be just as bad as honey pie and Ron, that LE and others would not consider anything she says to be the truth and she passed the LDT with flying colors!! I give her credit for last night, Nancy was downright rude and Crystal was at the mercy of her wrath and I thought she handles herself well? And you ever notice NG always has to toot her own horn when it comes to Mommyhood? Like she is the the one who invented motherhood and sometimes the twin thing is a bit much, but some people live to see their daily pictures, "Look! Here is John David playing with Mommy's shoes, And here is Lucy eating her applesauce"?? Please enough of the daily mantra of two kids that are not any more special that all your kids here? And she thinks that Crystal is a lousy mother, but ole Ronnie there, she treats him like he is the perfect father??

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, I thought Crystal did a good job last night on NG, but wonder about her attorney; was it a conscious decision for her not to appear or a schedule conflict?

I perceive that Crystal's background may be very similar to Misty's, but slowly but surely she has changed her life, and what an acid test Haleigh's abduction has been!! I loved it when Ms. Schmancy asked her a particular question about how she knew something or where she heard something and Crystal answered that Actually it was on NG's show. :beer:

Anyway, I find it extremely unattractive for the likes of Miss High and Mighty to be beating up on a poor country girl who has probably been left in the dark by design.

[tv]

Wind, I thought Crystal did a good job last night on NG, but wonder about her attorney; was it a conscious decision for her not to appear or a schedule conflict?

I perceive that Crystal's background may be very similar to Misty's, but slowly but surely she has changed her life, and what an acid test Haleigh's abduction has been!! I loved it when Ms. Schmancy asked her a particular question about how she knew something or where she heard something and Crystal answered that Actually it was on NG's show. :beer:

Anyway, I find it extremely unattractive for the likes of Miss High and Mighty to be beating up on a poor country girl who has probably been left in the dark by design.

I was impressed with Crystal's reserve -- for lack of a better word. She isn't behaving in the trashy manner that the Ronald Cummings Clan indulges in. That tells me that even though she may not have any more education then that bunch she has more innate smarts. I'd like to see NG turn that acid tongue on Ronald but I don't see it happening any time soon.

Miss Nasty may have gotten some kind of weird satisfaction in beating up on a country girl but in my eyes she came out the loser.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was impressed with Crystal's reserve -- for lack of a better word. She isn't behaving in the trashy manner that the Ronald Cummings Clan indulges in. That tells me that even though she may not have any more education then that bunch she has more innate smarts. I'd like to see NG turn that acid tongue on Ronald but I don't see it happening any time soon.

Miss Nasty may have gotten some kind of weird satisfaction in beating up on a country girl but in my eyes she came out the loser.

Yep, I don't see Ron's superhero giving him what for.

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/ronettesinc/supernancy.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings Investigator – Case Continued Till October/12

Still waiting for details on this mornings happenings in Putnam County. Investigator William “Cobra” Staubs is charged with false imprisonment, the charges stem from him attempting to revoke the bond of suspected child molester Daniel Snodgrass who lives in the Putnam County.

I will be updating this story as details come in. We have just received some raw video of TJ Hart interviewing William “Cobra” Staubs immediately after the hearing.

Cobra sounded upbeat following the hearing and feels confident that this matter can be resolved prior to the next hearing.

At the heart of the case is the question of who asked him to revoke the bond? Clearly as Cobra was in possession of the file, someone must have given him the file. Why would they do that if they did not want Mr Snodgrass picked up? In the raw video Cobra surmises that the insurance company is merely trying to avoid a law suit by putting the blame on him.

There is a plea deal on the table, and the prosecutors are turning the heat up by threatening to add a gun charge if the deal is not taken.

Raw Video Here...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122105

Video at link.

[lorettalockhorn]

Florida statute 648.30:

The 2003 Florida Statutes

Title XXXVII
INSURANCE Chapter 648
BAIL BOND AGENTS AND RUNNERS View Entire Chapter

648.30 Licensure and appointment required.--

(1) A person may not act in the capacity of a bail bond agent or temporary bail bond agent or perform any of the functions, duties, or powers prescribed for bail bond agents or temporary bail bond agents under this chapter unless that person is qualified, licensed, and appointed as provided in this chapter.

(2) A person may not represent himself or herself to be a bail enforcement agent, bounty hunter, or other similar title in this state.

(3) A person, other than a certified law enforcement officer, may not apprehend, detain, or arrest a principal on a bond, wherever issued, unless that person is qualified, licensed, and appointed as provided in this chapter or licensed as a bail bond agent or bail bond enforcement agent, or holds an equivalent license by the state where the bond was written.

(4) Any person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0648/SEC30.HTM&Title=->2003->Ch0648->Section%2030#0648.30

[lorettalockhorn]

Can't quite figure out why LE allowed Cobra to take this cretin down to begin with if he was outside the law; they are sworn to prevent or stop a crime in progress when eye witnesses to the crime.

[SaraSidle]

Yep, I don't see Ron's superhero giving him what for.

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/ronettesinc/supernancy.jpg

you should really send that to NG loretta. too funny

[lorettalockhorn]

Jaycee, Caylee, and Haleigh: Missing Children With Strange Parallels

Aside from their eerily similar first names, there are compelling parallels among the missing-child cases of Jaycee Dugard, Caylee Anthony, and Haleigh Cummings. Each time, investigators have focused on the child's parents. And each time, they've had wildly different results.

Jaycee Dugard's stepfather came under police scrutiny when the 11-year-old went missing 18 years ago. Carl Probyn took lie detector tests and was repeatedly questioned about seeing Jaycee get whisked away in a car driven by two strangers. But then last week, Jaycee was found alive after being held captive for 18 years by convicted sex offender Phillip Garrido, who is accused of kidnapping and raping her.

Meanwhile, Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, has been charged with first-degree murder. Her 2-year-old daughter's remains were found in the woods last December near the family's Orange County home.

Finally, the 17-year-old woman who was babysitting Haleigh the night she disappeared from her trailer home in Satsuma is being targeted by Putnam County sheriff's officials, who say she continues to "hold important answers in the case."

Misty Croslin-Cummings was Haleigh's dad's girlfriend when Haleigh disappeared in February. She and Ronald Cummings have since married. And in a recent news release, Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office wrote that Croslin-Cummings:


"has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh's disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty's sketchy account of her evening activities."

Focusing on the role of the parents in these cases is a wise and not-surprising strategy. But it will be interesting to see if any of the other cases turn out like Jaycee's, with a stranger suspect that no one... suspected...

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/09/jaycee_caylee_haleigh_cummings.php

[lorettalockhorn]

CONFIRMED; MISTY CUMMINGS IS A LIAR
By Steph
Misty Cummings is on the defense, and now she, along with Ronald and the rest of the families have banded together and come out swinging at Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch. Misty now claims Miller force her into taking the polygraph, voice analysis and hypnosis, and that he brokered search efforts for Haleigh. Well I was there, and Misty Cummings is a liar.

Although Misty still has a restraining order against Hank Jr. (Tommy) and he has one against her (hey they’re free why not waste the courts time) and everyone else hates everyone else, well none of that matters anymore. Now, the entire family is coming to Misty’s defense. Even granny who said, and I quote “If she doesn’t do it I’m gonna throw her through the damn window” is now saying Misty felt pressured by Miller to take the tests. Personally I think Misty felt pressured from being threatened to be “thrown threw the damn window” to take take the test.

The day of the interviews family tensions were particularly high. Ronald was ready to kill both Misty and her brother and anyone else that he thinks may have done something to Haleigh. Hey I don’t blame the guy, but he really is serious and he does have a gun, as does Tommy. Its a concern to the police as well that Ronald may go on a shooting rampage. Anyways, Misty’s public response to the tapes being released to the media and the families support of her lies is exactly why I was asked to be present and note everything that happened and record the interviews.

Misty said she wanted to by hypnotized, she says it during the voice analysis tape (see previous post for tape) and she even wrote a note saying she was being polygraphed because she wanted to clear her name. (see note below)



The day the voice analysis and hypnosis was to occur (a few days after the polygraph) there was actually a point that Misty did get cold feet. Miller was so frustrated with the whole thing he said to Misty “no problem, you call me when your ready, Im outa here” Ronald chased him done and convinced him, actually begged Miller to stay for a few more hours while HE talked to Misty. We left and went for lunch and before we were done Ronald had called and said she would do it. And she did, and the entire family huddled around awaiting the results, quietly questioning each other about the possibility that Misty could have done this. We taped the interviews at Ronald’s aunt house, and at one point she broke down in tears at the thought that this 17 year old girl could have done something to Haleigh. Then the interviews aired. Then Misty’s stories changed. Then everyone else’s did.

It was in a phone message from Ronalds mother (link here) that she begged Miller to come to Florida because “Misty was ready to Crack” She even ends the message to Miller with “I Love You” They knew why Tim was coming and what he was planning on doing. Make no mistake about it.

Historically, in the cases I’ve covered, when someone lies about one thing. It’s safe to assume its probably not the first they’ve lied, if you get my drift. Misty admits that her childhood was not very good, drug addicted parents, sexual abuse, even homelessness. This is a horrible existence for any child, and unthinakble to most of us. But with that kind of upbring comes the keenest ability to lie from a young age as a survival mechanism She’s a liar, I witnessed I first hand.

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUCK

In the voice analysis interview Misty points fingers at her brother Tommy, saying he raped her as a child, and could have done something to Haleigh. She then says people claim they saw a red truck near the house that night (we know Tommy was there smoking marijuana earlier that evening) Tommy drove a red truck that he sold after Haleigh disappeared. The day after the interviews, Miller asked Misty if she knew where the truck was. She had mentioned to us she knew who had bought it and Miller wanted to see the location. Ronald and Misty took Miller to the guy’s house who had bought the truck. Although it wasn’t there at the time, Miller returned to the location with me right after and we recorded the address and went to the police with the info. The title was never transferred to the new owner so the truck is still listed in Misty and Tommy’s mother name. The police were going to get the truck and process it. hopefully it’s not too late...

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/

[lorettalockhorn]

>>The title was never transferred to the new owner so the truck is still listed in Misty and Tommy’s mother name. The police were going to get the truck and process it. hopefully it’s not too late.

Oh for pity's sake. LE could and should have looked at the computer database to see what vehicles are/were owned by family members anywhere near the area the night Haleigh disappeared, NOT six months later for processing. Fingers crossed this guy is at least somewhat misinformed.

[old_soul]

Yep, I don't see Ron's superhero giving him what for.

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/ronettesinc/supernancy.jpg



http://i32.tinypic.com/34gx16g.gif !

[tv]

Yep, I don't see Ron's superhero giving him what for.

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/ronettesinc/supernancy.jpg

Thanks, Loretta...the expression is priceless! http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif

[wind149]

Drew honey, I have been so bi-polar over this mess, I forgot to tell you that I feel for you and I am sorry life is not giving you lemons right now and I would tell you to add some vodka, but I don't know if that is something you drink?? I think I asked you this before, but do you feel that there is a role reversal regarding your mother? Like now you are the parent? And then you go to work and have to deal with other people's issues, it can get to ya, I know!! When I dispatched, I made a promise to myself, not to get caught up in other people's issues, but the fatal car wrecks, some that so could have been prevented, the child abuse horror shows and dealing with mentally ill people many times over wondering why these people are not held involuntarily when they should be and then my concerns would turn into anger when it became clear, that they did not have insurance or they did, but it would not cover long term stays and out in the cold they went, some directly to the streets and New England winters are a b!tch.

Often I would see them wondering around, looking dazed, lost and it could tug your heart strings big time because some of these poor souls just needed someone to give a crap that "John Smith" is severely bi-polar and suicidal, homeless, can't get any welfare assistance because he does not have an address and I more than once, handed out dollar bills to some, some of the deputies would hand out blankets and coffee on really cold nights and then a wonderful woman, who was a deputy's wife, started a Drop Inn Center, where they could get out of the cold, get some hot food, take a shower and wash their clothes and try to hook them up with services and possibly get them into the shelter, but with only 30 beds, that place was booked up tighter then the Hilton and single people did not even stand a prayer in getting in there, so Melinda would ask for donations to put these folks up at local hotels, but some, did not want "the riff raff" at their digs, so she would let them crash for at least a couple of days there and would try her all to get them treatment or a room at the one rooming house that would accept ill folks.

Now in the summer, they would all set up camp down by the river and they were OK there because the cops would check on them daily as sometimes fights would break out or somebody would go off their nut. And this happens in every town and city in the good old USA. I miss dispatching, but I am leaning now, towards crime scene investigation more so than corrections, but I have two years to work it out. So I am so sorry about your family members, and it sounds like you need some down time!

[SuzDuJour]

Yep, I don't see Ron's superhero giving him what for.

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/ronettesinc/supernancy.jpg

OMG!!! Loretta, that's the funniest thing you've ever done and you've done some pretty hilarious stuff...OMG!!!

[SuzDuJour]

Misty is definitely a liar, but why did Ron marry her and is defending her so strongly. They kept playing the 911 call from Misty last night and I could hear Ron coaching her in the background, but I couldn't make out what he was saying. But why would he coach the ONE person who knew what happened (unless HE knew what happened too)?

[SuzDuJour]

I have a creepy story along the lines of the 4 year old who is saying she talks to Haleigh and that someone named "Larry" has her.

I work at night, so was able to watch the David Westerfield trial during the day. I take care of my granddaughter who was around 4 at the time. She was playing with her books and looked up at one point during the trial and asked, "Is that Westerfield, Grammie" and I told her it was and asked her what she thought about him (I wasn't sure what she had heard = should have been watching Elmo!) She said "He hurt the girl" and I told her he might have, but we didn't know how he got her out of the house. She said, "He tippytoed up the stairs and took her hand and said "shhhh". Really creeped me out - I don't think that was ever in testimony!! Or maybe, like Crystal, she heard it on Nancy Grace... Anyway, out of the mouths of babes!

[Nawny]

Hi Errin. OT: Thank you for asking. Adam is well. Mother is not. She's still struggling with dad's suicide but she refuses to get professional help. In addition, my sister's husband (who is same age as my dad,78) is slipping away this week-he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer 1 yr. ago. My sister is 1 yr. younger than me (54). This has been a very trying and sad year for our family.

I tend to agree with you about Misty getting drugs with/from Ronnie. As many have said here, she was most likely drunk or stoned the night Haleigh disappeared. I believe the BOTH know what happened. These ya-hoos are soon to be busted. JMO. Good to see you Errin.
:seeya:
Drew

I am so sorry about your mother in all that emotional and metal mess. You have permission to step away DrewB, you are also grieving a father; good bad or indifferent, he is your father. It's such an odyssey when there is a loss of a parent and the stages of grief hit all family members at different levels. And now you're all going to be faced with another person who is about to cross over. I hope you know that your emotions are going to go for a ride on the hurting bus for a while. Of course you know it, but sometimes DrewB, the shoemaker doesn't have shoes. You must find the irony in the fact that you help other people sort out their feelings and must find it hard to be objective about your own.

It will all work out even as you walk with it, you heal. If you ever want to vent your head off, just ring us up, aye!

I'm just catching up on this Haleigh case and am waiting for LE to arrest that little pig whom I believe is totally responsible for Haliegh going missing. and bone head Cummings was responsible by proxy. Haliegh was probably more intelligent at 5 than she is. Her mother, Crystal is another box of rocks. She seemd stoned as a rock star last night on NG with all her new make over and all. Jeeesh!

That's my 2 cents. I hope my opinion isn't offensive to anyone here. It seems Crystal is the better of the three but, I found her too vague. Why go on national TV at all if you're not going to feed the NG beast? Stay home and grieve your child. I hate when NG pushes people to cry. She wants the blood and guts for her own ratings and I hate it!

[DrewBerry]

I am so sorry about your mother in all that emotional and metal mess. You have permission to step away DrewB, you are also grieving a father; good bad or indifferent, he is your father. It's such an odyssey when there is a loss of a parent and the stages of grief hit all family members at different levels. And now you're all going to be faced with another person who is about to cross over. I hope you know that your emotions are going to go for a ride on the hurting bus for a while. Of course you know it, but sometimes DrewB, the shoemaker doesn't have shoes. You must find the irony in the fact that you help other people sort out their feelings and must find it hard to be objective about your own.

It will all work out even as you walk with it, you heal. If you ever want to vent your head off, just ring us up, aye!

I'm just catching up on this Haleigh case and am waiting for LE to arrest that little pig whom I believe is totally responsible for Haliegh going missing. and bone head Cummings was responsible by proxy. Haliegh was probably more intelligent at 5 than she is. Her mother, Crystal is another box of rocks. She seemd stoned as a rock star last night on NG with all her new make over and all. Jeeesh!

That's my 2 cents. I hope my opinion isn't offensive to anyone here. It seems Crystal is the better of the three but, I found her too vague. Why go on national TV at all if you're not going to feed the NG beast? Stay home and grieve your child. I hate when NG pushes people to cry. She wants the blood and guts for her own ratings and I hate it!

Hey Nawn. Your caring comments and suggestions come at a much needed time for me. The shoemaker is barefoot right now! :shrug: I cherish the friendships here and as distant as we obviously all are, we are also close when someone is in need. Thank you all!

With re: to Crystal. I know my thoughts about her are not too popular but that's what I like about this place. We are respectful of different opinions. I did notice the makeover (good for you Crystal) but it doesn't change the fact that she is clueless when it comes to her children's day-to-day lives. I would have thought BY NOW, she'd be able to get it together for Jr.'s sake. She's still the same box of rocks but a better box of rocks than R & M. She should have known NG was going to push the parenting questions. None of these idiots are fit to be parents in my view. JMO.
:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Drew honey, I have been so bi-polar over this mess, I forgot to tell you that I feel for you and I am sorry life is not giving you lemons right now and I would tell you to add some vodka, but I don't know if that is something you drink?? I think I asked you this before, but do you feel that there is a role reversal regarding your mother? Like now you are the parent? And then you go to work and have to deal with other people's issues, it can get to ya, I know!! When I dispatched, I made a promise to myself, not to get caught up in other people's issues, but the fatal car wrecks, some that so could have been prevented, the child abuse horror shows and dealing with mentally ill people many times over wondering why these people are not held involuntarily when they should be and then my concerns would turn into anger when it became clear, that they did not have insurance or they did, but it would not cover long term stays and out in the cold they went, some directly to the streets and New England winters are a b!tch.

Often I would see them wondering around, looking dazed, lost and it could tug your heart strings big time because some of these poor souls just needed someone to give a crap that "John Smith" is severely bi-polar and suicidal, homeless, can't get any welfare assistance because he does not have an address and I more than once, handed out dollar bills to some, some of the deputies would hand out blankets and coffee on really cold nights and then a wonderful woman, who was a deputy's wife, started a Drop Inn Center, where they could get out of the cold, get some hot food, take a shower and wash their clothes and try to hook them up with services and possibly get them into the shelter, but with only 30 beds, that place was booked up tighter then the Hilton and single people did not even stand a prayer in getting in there, so Melinda would ask for donations to put these folks up at local hotels, but some, did not want "the riff raff" at their digs, so she would let them crash for at least a couple of days there and would try her all to get them treatment or a room at the one rooming house that would accept ill folks.

Now in the summer, they would all set up camp down by the river and they were OK there because the cops would check on them daily as sometimes fights would break out or somebody would go off their nut. And this happens in every town and city in the good old USA. I miss dispatching, but I am leaning now, towards crime scene investigation more so than corrections, but I have two years to work it out. So I am so sorry about your family members, and it sounds like you need some down time!

Hey Wind! You are spot on! As so many of us know, being the parentified child at a very early age is a hard pattern to break as we get older. The only way to keep myself healthy and sane is to enforce strong boundaries with my mother. Less contact is better. Many thanks to you for your thoughts and support. I love reading your posts! You crack me up. Oh, and BTW, I'll take that drink of vodka now!
:seeya:
Drew

[beemer]

Hey Drew:seeya: Always in my thoughts:rose:

[beemer]

Loretta that pic of Nancy is hysterical-is she saying the F word :D And yeah why does she pick on Crystal for losing Haleigh. At the end of the day didn't Ron and/or Misty kinda lose her too :cuss:

[DrewBerry]

Loretta that pic of Nancy is hysterical-is she saying the F word :D And yeah why does she pick on Crystal for losing Haleigh. At the end of the day didn't Ron and/or Misty kinda lose her too :cuss:

Beemers. . .watcha doing up so late? Good to see ya. Thought I was the only one here this time of night or morning for you, I guess.

I too, can't stop laughing at Loretta's NG artwork!! How does she come up with these things?!! Too funny!! :biggrin:

Drew

[beemer]

Beemers. . .watcha doing up so late? Good to see ya. Thought I was the only one here this time of night or morning for you, I guess.

I too, can't stop laughing at Loretta's NG artwork!! How does she come up with these things?!! Too funny!! :biggrin:

Drew

Hey Drew-worked till midnight so just unwinding. Had to swing by the lounge partay too. I know she is a scream for sure :beer:

[SaraSidle]

Beemers. . .watcha doing up so late? Good to see ya. Thought I was the only one here this time of night or morning for you, I guess.

I too, can't stop laughing at Loretta's NG artwork!! How does she come up with these things?!! Too funny!! :biggrin:

Drew

I do not know but there was another moment of me laughing so hard my husband just stared at me. you know i cannot explain it to someone who has no interests in crime boards or NG. LL and OS really make me laugh.
sara

bree people just laugh at the experiences you and I have.

when is this case going to break open? I started thinking up different ways for Haleigh disapearing.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am so sorry about your mother in all that emotional and metal mess. You have permission to step away DrewB, you are also grieving a father; good bad or indifferent, he is your father. It's such an odyssey when there is a loss of a parent and the stages of grief hit all family members at different levels. And now you're all going to be faced with another person who is about to cross over. I hope you know that your emotions are going to go for a ride on the hurting bus for a while. Of course you know it, but sometimes DrewB, the shoemaker doesn't have shoes. You must find the irony in the fact that you help other people sort out their feelings and must find it hard to be objective about your own.

It will all work out even as you walk with it, you heal. If you ever want to vent your head off, just ring us up, aye!

I'm just catching up on this Haleigh case and am waiting for LE to arrest that little pig whom I believe is totally responsible for Haliegh going missing. and bone head Cummings was responsible by proxy. Haliegh was probably more intelligent at 5 than she is. Her mother, Crystal is another box of rocks. She seemd stoned as a rock star last night on NG with all her new make over and all. Jeeesh!

That's my 2 cents. I hope my opinion isn't offensive to anyone here. It seems Crystal is the better of the three but, I found her too vague. Why go on national TV at all if you're not going to feed the NG beast? Stay home and grieve your child. I hate when NG pushes people to cry. She wants the blood and guts for her own ratings and I hate it!

No clue why Crystal hasn't by now found out what happened except to guess that a) she doesn't want to get into some kind of knockdown dragout with Ron&Misty (or their enablers), and b) they would probably lie to her anyway. Look how many stories are out there re: who picked Haleigh up at the bus stop? And that GGMS dropped off laundry, yet there are conflicting statements about Misty having done laundry even though there was no detergent. I'd leave this to the detectives too. The Cummins and Croslin Clans just aren't reliable sources of information.

The professionals go on Nancy Grace and get beat up too and the attorney types have fighting in their nature for gosh sakes. I just don't think Crystal does.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Nawn. Your caring comments and suggestions come at a much needed time for me. The shoemaker is barefoot right now! :shrug: I cherish the friendships here and as distant as we obviously all are, we are also close when someone is in need. Thank you all!

With re: to Crystal. I know my thoughts about her are not too popular but that's what I like about this place. We are respectful of different opinions. I did notice the makeover (good for you Crystal) but it doesn't change the fact that she is clueless when it comes to her children's day-to-day lives. I would have thought BY NOW, she'd be able to get it together for Jr.'s sake. She's still the same box of rocks but a better box of rocks than R & M. She should have known NG was going to push the parenting questions. None of these idiots are fit to be parents in my view. JMO.
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DrewB

I'm a little surprised that Crytal's new attorney did accompany her to assist in answering some of those questions. It was uncomfortable to watch, but NG came off as such an ogre that I can excuse Crystal by default. Better box of rocks is a great left-handed compliment!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta that pic of Nancy is hysterical-is she saying the F word :D And yeah why does she pick on Crystal for losing Haleigh. At the end of the day didn't Ron and/or Misty kinda lose her too :cuss:

I didn't create that pic, just stole it from the Ronettes Inc@twitter. Isn't it great? Miss Schmancy looks like she's trying to such spinach out of her teeth. :hat:

Or swallow Ron's story about Misty not being inconsistent.

[Nawny]

No clue why Crystal hasn't by now found out what happened except to guess that a) she doesn't want to get into some kind of knockdown dragout with Ron&Misty (or their enablers), and b) they would probably lie to her anyway. Look how many stories are out there re: who picked Haleigh up at the bus stop? And that GGMS dropped off laundry, yet there are conflicting statements about Misty having done laundry even though there was no detergent. I'd leave this to the detectives too. The Cummins and Croslin Clans just aren't reliable sources of information.

The professionals go on Nancy Grace and get beat up too and the attorney types have fighting in their nature for gosh sakes. I just don't think Crystal does.

True enough. I think and IMO, Crystal is hushed up by 2 things; her lawyer and those good beans. If not, then she has been advised severely to stay away from any dialog with the Cummings' bunch. Everything she says at this point will grow arms and legs. I noticed in recent cases, there is less and less dialog. Must be learning from the A's to, "Shut it -lock it- put it in yer pocket" that's what I teach the weebles and they're children!!! :shrug:

[ErrinSpelling]

Hi Errin. OT: Thank you for asking. Adam is well. Mother is not. She's still struggling with dad's suicide but she refuses to get professional help. In addition, my sister's husband (who is same age as my dad,78) is slipping away this week-he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer 1 yr. ago. My sister is 1 yr. younger than me (54). This has been a very trying and sad year for our family.

I tend to agree with you about Misty getting drugs with/from Ronnie. As many have said here, she was most likely drunk or stoned the night Haleigh disappeared. I believe the BOTH know what happened. These ya-hoos are soon to be busted. JMO. Good to see you Errin.
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Drew

so sorry about your mother and very sad your b-i-l is so ill.we are all here for you, as you can see.

i want to add one thing about NG treating crystal so badly.i thought she was acting with ron, the 1st 2 nights to get his trust, b/c she is the only one he will talk to & then she will go in for the kill, but i see she doesn't know what is going on...too hard to take care of twins & know the facts of a case.

ron supposedly would not let crystal call ,except the night before her week-ends.....he didn't tell her where they lived..she had to pick up the children at mcdonalds...everyone says he's a rageaholic here, so i can hardly believe he would tell her anything about school or anything, she wanted to know &
NG SHOULD KNOW THAT...(yelling at NG)

she is mad at crystal for not telling the truth about a stupid car, yet ron was arrested 15 times & she says nothing about that.ron took her children, to hurt her. can we see him saying anything about her school schedule or when he takes her or her teacher's name ?
remember how many days of school she missed....he doesn't want people to know...remember he said if she misses any more , he will go to jail...NG you need to read !

[Nawny]

so sorry about your mother and very sad your b-i-l is so ill.we are all here for you, as you can see.

i want to add one thing abot NG treating crystal so badly.i thought she was acting with ron, the 1st 2 nights to get his trust, b/c she is the only one he will talk too & then she will go in for the kill, but i see she doesn't know what is going on...too hard to take care of twins & know the facts of a case.

ron supposedly would not let crystal call ,except the night before her week-ends.....he didn't tell her where they lived..she had to pick up the children at mcdonalds...everyone says he's a rageaholic here, so i can hardly believe he would tell her anything about scholl or anything, she wanted to know &
NG SHOULD KNOW THAT...(yelling at NG)
she is mad at crystal for not telling the truth about a stupid car, yet ron was arrested 15 times & she says nothing about that.


I very much agree with your post. I believe he had Crystal in fear. He's a nutcase. Also she is in a relationship and that has to go far up his narcissistic wazoo. He seemed to be punishing her, and he had the court by the short hairs.

Do they get paid to appear on NG? I know NG gets paid and well. IMO she has a method to her madness and is very deliberate in her performances. She also has a superior who must tell her how to approach Ron. She can get fired as easy as anyone else.

Her attitudinal approach is what gets her ratings, I think. I notice how some of the TH's laugh when she goes after them. Can it be all an illusion? Showbiz? These people who go on that program when their children are missing make me nervous. I mean I get that they may be trying to spread the word for the sake of finding the child, and that's all good, but over and over again to say nothing? Crystal?

Anyway, I wonder if there is money involved and how much.

[ErrinSpelling]

I'm a little surprised that Crytal's new attorney did accompany her to assist in answering some of those questions. It was uncomfortable to watch, but NG came off as such an ogre that I can excuse Crystal by default. Better box of rocks is a great left-handed compliment!!

ah,i thought that was spinach, in her teeth.

ron had his criminal defense attorney, next to him, b/c he's a criminal.jmo
that's one answer.
or maybe , her attorney did not want to go through ,the same type of problems kim had...NG appeared to hate kim & all the ronette's love to make up carp, no matter what is said.

[SaraSidle]

I very much agree with your post. I believe he had Crystal in fear. He's a nutcase. Also she is in a relationship and that has to go far up his narcissistic wazoo. He seemed to be punishing her, and he had the court by the short hairs.

Do they get paid to appear on NG? I know NG gets paid and well. IMO she has a method to her madness and is very deliberate in her performances. She also has a superior who must tell her how to approach Ron. She can get fired as easy as anyone else.

Her attitudinal approach is what gets her ratings, I think. I notice how some of the TH's laugh when she goes after them. Can it be all an illusion? Showbiz? These people who go on that program when their children are missing make me nervous. I mean I get that they may be trying to spread the word for the sake of finding the child, and that's all good, but over and over again to say nothing? Crystal?

Anyway, I wonder if there is money involved and how much.

I wondered that too. I started watching NG
when Caylee went missing. I am quite confident the TH's are prepared for the negativism and are paid quite well for it. they are all "experts" and I cannot imagine them letting her treat them badly without getting paid a lot.
I do not think she picks the topics/scheduling. I feel she would rather spend more time on children-missing,abducted,etc. It is beginning to seem like she and JVM are now covering different topics from each other instead of both covering the same stuff. this could all be my imagination also. IMO sara

[ErrinSpelling]

I very much agree with your post. I believe he had Crystal in fear. He's a nutcase. Also she is in a relationship and that has to go far up his narcissistic wazoo. He seemed to be punishing her, and he had the court by the short hairs.

Do they get paid to appear on NG? I know NG gets paid and well. IMO she has a method to her madness and is very deliberate in her performances. She also has a superior who must tell her how to approach Ron. She can get fired as easy as anyone else.

Her attitudinal approach is what gets her ratings, I think. I notice how some of the TH's laugh when she goes after them. Can it be all an illusion? Showbiz? These people who go on that program when their children are missing make me nervous. I mean I get that they may be trying to spread the word for the sake of finding the child, and that's all good, but over and over again to say nothing? Crystal?

Anyway, I wonder if there is money involved and how much.

i don't think cnn or abc ,etc. is allowed to pay guests...i have read they might pay for transportation,or a hotel,meal or aomething like that....

yes, crystal's mother said she was in fear , especially,when they were together & she finally was able to get away...i just see how evil he is yelling at reporters in front of the world,so i can't imagine how he yells at crystal , when no one is there.
i just saw something about how he can stare at LE or someone & not answer.

[ErrinSpelling]

I wondered that too. I started watching NG
when Caylee went missing. I am quite confident the TH's are prepared for the negativism and are paid quite well for it. they are all "experts" and I cannot imagine them letting her treat them badly without getting paid a lot.
I do not think she picks the topics/scheduling. I feel she would rather spend more time on children-missing,abducted,etc. It is beginning to seem like she and JVM are now covering different topics from each other instead of both covering the same stuff. this could all be my imagination also. IMO sara

oh i forgot about the TH's .ty for reminding me sara...she does yell at them & some laugh, but they come back...i wouldn't. she would yell ,only once at me.

i probably didn't answer the question. i wrongly,thought nawny asked if ron & crystal were paid.

[lorettalockhorn]

I do remember someone ranting at Mike Galanos (Prime News/HLN) once about sitting around, not helping but getting paid, and MG said NO one is getting paid. (Although I'm sure he draws a salary.) I took that to mean that guests are just that. Guests. Seems like on most of these shows, the guests aren't actually in the studio with the host, they're in the studio of a sister station or appearing via video hookup. I would think that any type of honorarium for meals or hotel accommodations is rare. Like for instance when the network paid for Ron&Misty's honeymoon. :rolleyes: Or all the ass kissing that has gone on for the Ants to lie on national television. :rolleyes:

[SaraSidle]

I do remember someone ranting at Mike Galanos (Prime News/HLN) once about sitting around, not helping but getting paid, and MG said NO one is getting paid. (Although I'm sure he draws a salary.) I took that to mean that guests are just that. Guests. Seems like on most of these shows, the guests aren't actually in the studio with the host, they're in the studio of a sister station or appearing via video hookup. I would think that any type of honorarium for meals or hotel accommodations is rare. Like for instance when the network paid for Ron&Misty's honeymoon. :rolleyes: Or all the ass kissing that has gone on for the Ants to lie on national television. :rolleyes:

Well it is a mystery to me. If I was an expert TH I would have to be paid for someone to talk to me like that. Even if I knew it would happen in advance for entertainment's sake. Now if I was a guest like Crystal and really wanted my child back I would appear just to give her the publicity. IMO
sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Well it is a mystery to me. If I was an expert TH I would have to be paid for someone to talk to me like that. Even if I knew it would happen in advance for entertainment's sake. Now if I was a guest like Crystal and really wanted my child back I would appear just to give her the publicity. IMO
sara

The THs probably respect Nancy just as much as she respects them. I'm guessing they just want to get their names and faces out there, but by golly I would want to be heard! Loved it last night when the caller asked Schmancy to allow Bethany Marshall to complete her thought. :beer:

[Amy]

I was impressed with Crystal's reserve -- for lack of a better word. She isn't behaving in the trashy manner that the Ronald Cummings Clan indulges in. That tells me that even though she may not have any more education then that bunch she has more innate smarts. I'd like to see NG turn that acid tongue on Ronald but I don't see it happening any time soon.

Miss Nasty may have gotten some kind of weird satisfaction in beating up on a country girl but in my eyes she came out the loser.

Crystal actually seems to be acting in the manner most of us have said one should act....unlike some people who get on a tv show and spout off @ the mouth, speaking mistruths or halftruths or downright lies, berating police who are looking for a missing (or murdered) little girl.

Methinks NG was wanting some rousing entertainment for her show, and tho't that Crystal would rant and rave and carry on about Misti and Ron, maybe even about LE, Staub and whomever else she could work into the occasion. When Crystal didn't rise to the occasion, NG had to let off steam somehow, and slathered her wrath on Crystal.

Miss Nancy does NOT raise her twins every single minute of every single day. Her babies go to bed when the nanny/babysitter or whomever watches them puts them to bed. I'm betting that person gives the same exact time every night, whether she puts them to bed earlier, or if they were up later for whatever reason. "Yes, Mz Nancy. They went to bed @ 8pm. Ate their supper @ 7." On the dot, every single day. Yep, and I have a bridge in the Sahara.........

[Amy]

Loretta, I agree with the non-custodial mother thing. That's the only thing I can come up with that prejudices NG against Crystal. She must think that because she has the twins she's an expert on mothering and above reproach. I think it's irresponsible the way she exposes them on tv. Sometimes when people call in and gush over how beautiful they are and she gets those fake tears and sniffles I think I'm going to scream. I would say more but I have steadfast policy of finding all children perfect. :)

It's obvious that GVS has no interest in some of the cases she reports on. I haven't watched her on any regular basis since she made an idiot of herself with Leonard Padilla. Not that I'm taking up for LP but she had no idea what she was talking about.

I didn't watch her much, was frustrated during Laci Peterson case when they would say they had breaking news about the case, and in the last couple of minutes, there would be an oft-watched clip that was so old it had mold on it!!!!

I did catch her once some time ago. I think it had to do w/the Caylee Anthony case. She had Mark Furhman on, and to listen, one would think they were giving out breaking news, but what came on was age old stuff that have been reported by others months before!!! I don't know if the footage of Furhman was something he had done in the investigation months before and she was just getting around to using, or if he was actually just coming up on information that was old news by that time. Either way, I figured I'd get my Caylee Anthony updates elsewhere.

[lorettalockhorn]

Crystal actually seems to be acting in the manner most of us have said one should act....unlike some people who get on a tv show and spout off @ the mouth, speaking mistruths or halftruths or downright lies, berating police who are looking for a missing (or murdered) little girl.

Methinks NG was wanting some rousing entertainment for her show, and tho't that Crystal would rant and rave and carry on about Misti and Ron, maybe even about LE, Staub and whomever else she could work into the occasion. When Crystal didn't rise to the occasion, NG had to let off steam somehow, and slathered her wrath on Crystal.

Miss Nancy does NOT raise her twins every single minute of every single day. Her babies go to bed when the nanny/babysitter or whomever watches them puts them to bed. I'm betting that person gives the same exact time every night, whether she puts them to bed earlier, or if they were up later for whatever reason. "Yes, Mz Nancy. They went to bed @ 8pm. Ate their supper @ 7." On the dot, every single day. Yep, and I have a bridge in the Sahara.........

Yep. She probably spends about the same amount of time with The Twins as some non-custodial parents.

[lorettalockhorn]

New Developments In Search For Haleigh
Equusearch Says Ronald Cummings Said He Could Get Daughter Back

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- In the search for Haleigh Cummings, Tim Miller of Equusearch has said Ronald Cummings told him if he had $35,000, he could get his daughter back.

So Miller said he got a friend of his in Texas to cut him a check for that exact amount.

Haleigh vanished Feb. 9 from her Satsuma home.

Ronald Cummings' lawyer said that revelation is news to him and no one has given him any check...

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20709663/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Word on the street: Scanner picked up a call for LE to GGMS house overnight. No details. Suspicious vehicle maybe?

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings Update: Miller Audio: 3rd Party Verifies Stepmom’s Failed Polygraph, Dad’s Work Hours

This just in from TJ Hart, we are still waiting for some documents and I will add those as soon as we can process them. This freight train is moving downhill at the speed of light - Simon

In an interview Friday, September 4, 2009, regarding updates in the disappearance of 6-year-old Haliegh Cummings of Satsuma, FL, Texas Equusearch Director Tim Miller spoke with me openly about a third party verification of then-babysitter–now stepmom Misty Croslin-Cummings recently failed polygraphs and the work hours of Haleigh’s father.

Regarding the failed polygraph of Misty Cummings, the last person to see the missing child, Miller said Daniel Sosnowski, President of the American Polygraph Association, reached out to TES and agreed to review all documents referred to in his report.

Waiting to process documents, should have them in a few minutes - simon...

...Miller also stated that Ron’s timeline is also supported by the fact that he was seen on a convenience store surveillance video just after 3am buying beer, cigarettes and peanuts.

Ronald also reportedly told Miller that Misty did not appear panicked when he first saw her after returning from work and learning that Haleigh was missing...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122122

TJ Hart's update:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5153285.php

[Amy]

Hey Nawn. Your caring comments and suggestions come at a much needed time for me. The shoemaker is barefoot right now! :shrug: I cherish the friendships here and as distant as we obviously all are, we are also close when someone is in need. Thank you all!

With re: to Crystal. I know my thoughts about her are not too popular but that's what I like about this place. We are respectful of different opinions. I did notice the makeover (good for you Crystal) but it doesn't change the fact that she is clueless when it comes to her children's day-to-day lives. I would have thought BY NOW, she'd be able to get it together for Jr.'s sake. She's still the same box of rocks but a better box of rocks than R & M. She should have known NG was going to push the parenting questions. None of these idiots are fit to be parents in my view. JMO.
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DrewB

In the first posts about that NG episode, and how NG went @ Crystal, I was thinking, it wasn't Crystal's first rodeo w/NG, she knew how vitriolic NG is. Why would she even bother to go on? I'm sure there would be folks in RL and on computers who would be questioning why SHE wouldn't go on, after all, Ron et al did. But I would think--good for her!!! if she chose to not go down that road.

As to her knowing the day-to-day routine of her children. I for one don't think there was ANY routine in that house, except for hopefully getting Haleigh to the bus or to school on time. I would think that, even if she didn't want to talk to Misti, she could have possibly talked w/TN or GGMS about the "routine" @ least in relation to when Haleigh usually got out of school, or off the bus. I don't know how amicable her relationship w/either of these ladies might have been. And, even tho butter wouldn't melt in their mouths on tv and in interviews, who knows how they treated or reacted to Crystal when no one else was around. Besides, I don't think there was any ROUTINE to her getting off the bus, either. Ron picked her up before he went to work. Oh, Misti illegally drove the van to pick her up that day. And, wasn't there one version where it was either TN or GGMS who did? If they don't have a clue, how could Crystal possibly know, or even know after asking them?

Did NG ask Ron or Misti these "what is the routine" questions? Wouldn't she have expected THEM to know the answers, much more than one could expect Crystal to know. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

From Facebook:

Nancy Grace Tonight: Haleigh's grandma breaks her silence! Teresa Neves joins Nancy to talk about what she thinks of stepmom Misty Croslin’s polygraph test results & the alleged fight between Croslin & Haleigh's dad the night the little girl vanished without a trace.


http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

[Amy]

Hey Wind! You are spot on! As so many of us know, being the parentified child at a very early age is a hard pattern to break as we get older. The only way to keep myself healthy and sane is to enforce strong boundaries with my mother. Less contact is better. Many thanks to you for your thoughts and support. I love reading your posts! You crack me up. Oh, and BTW, I'll take that drink of vodka now!
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Drew

Keep strong, Drew. I see you know that you have to take care of yourself, too. You can't be of any help to your Mom if you are a basket case yourself. We are having elderly parent issues in our family now. Thank goodness, out of the 7 of us kids, 5 are pretty much on the same page, altho we don't all agree on all the issues. Having support of siblings is most helpful, and I do wish there was more of that for you.

[Amy]

I very much agree with your post. I believe he had Crystal in fear. He's a nutcase. Also she is in a relationship and that has to go far up his narcissistic wazoo. He seemed to be punishing her, and he had the court by the short hairs.

Do they get paid to appear on NG? I know NG gets paid and well. IMO she has a method to her madness and is very deliberate in her performances. She also has a superior who must tell her how to approach Ron. She can get fired as easy as anyone else.

Her attitudinal approach is what gets her ratings, I think. I notice how some of the TH's laugh when she goes after them. Can it be all an illusion? Showbiz? These people who go on that program when their children are missing make me nervous. I mean I get that they may be trying to spread the word for the sake of finding the child, and that's all good, but over and over again to say nothing? Crystal?

Anyway, I wonder if there is money involved and how much.


I have tho't sometimes about going on the likes of NG in order to get the word out about a missing, abducted child. I would have to think long and hard about the pros and cons of that. Maybe some other show, but I don't think I would take NG up on any offers. She isn't just wanting to help keep the missing child in the news, she is about ratings, and would go after anyone and everyone, whether it has bearing on the case or not. I don't think I could tolerate being treated like a piece of chit. No matter who is on (with the recent exception of Ron Cummings, it would seem) she thinks she is so....hardball? I don't know the word, in asking the "hard questions" and acting incredulous @ answers given by the parent. God forbid that a mother might not have an exact bedtime for a child who was in the care of someone else (and don't get so damn righteous, NG, YOU aren't home to put your babies to bed) on a particular night.

Oh, and how I know NG isn't home to put her babies to bed every night has come from her own lips. "When I get home from work, the FIRST thing I do is go to the twins' room and check on them, and they are so beautiful lying there asleep," etc etc etc ad nauseum, gag me with a spoon. Oh, and don't forget this is spoken with tears in her eyes and a break in her voice, being such a poignant moment and all. ;)

Oh, and I can tell each and every one of you, no matter how good a mother you think you are, you will NEVER be the mother NG is to those twins. NEVER!!!! There has never been such a mother before her, and never will again be. Take my word on that!!!!

[Amy]

I wondered that too. I started watching NG
when Caylee went missing. I am quite confident the TH's are prepared for the negativism and are paid quite well for it. they are all "experts" and I cannot imagine them letting her treat them badly without getting paid a lot.
I do not think she picks the topics/scheduling. I feel she would rather spend more time on children-missing,abducted,etc. It is beginning to seem like she and JVM are now covering different topics from each other instead of both covering the same stuff. this could all be my imagination also. IMO sara

I firmly believe that NG is the one in charge of her show. I just don't see her putting up w/having to kowtow much @ all to producers and directors. And I don't see the producers worrying much @ all about keeping the rein in on her, as long as her show has followers and ratings. IMO, if she didn't have control over her show, she would just stay home taking care of her babies. But, that is just how I see her.

[Amy]

i don't think cnn or abc ,etc. is allowed to pay guests...i have read they might pay for transportation,or a hotel,meal or aomething like that....

yes, crystal's mother said she was in fear , especially,when they were together & she finally was able to get away...i just see how evil he is yelling at reporters in front of the world,so i can't imagine how he yells at crystal , when no one is there.
i just saw something about how he can stare at LE or someone & not answer.

It's pretty much an all-paid trip, from what I understand. Airfare, hotel and meals (and not Motel 6 and McD's,) taxi fare from here to there, probably tickets to something, a show or whatever else the person(s) are wanting to do. I suppose, picking up souveniers and such might be @ the guest's own expense, but pretty much everything else is picked up by the network.

Hey, a free trip out of town, national tv, some cushy digs and eats, even if they aren't paid for the appearance, what's not to like about it? :shrug:

[Amy]

oh i forgot about the TH's .ty for reminding me sara...she does yell at them & some laugh, but they come back...i wouldn't. she would yell ,only once at me.

i probably didn't answer the question. i wrongly,thought nawny asked if ron & crystal were paid.

I think the th's are paid. It's not like they are just "guests" they are the "experts" on specific cases to answer questions in areas the host might not have expertise in. Otherwise, I don't think that national exposure to be put down and ridiculed by the host would be enough "payment" for most of them to continue to return.

Think about it. I don't even recall the names of most of the th's that are on the program. The one in the middle, the blond w/long hair, the dude w/the heavy glasses. Sometimes another poster will come up w/the name, but most of the time, not. Now, the Gumby man doctor--I know Loretta a Beemer and BoB and Gator and Nawny know HIS name---I can't remember HIS name, but NG doesn't put him down like she does the lawyers. Heck, she even fawns all over Dr Lee, who I do happen to recognize. Oh, and I recognize Dr Baden. But the lawyers? Who remembers their names? Oh, that Mickey guy (not Spillane) who represented that Skakel kid in the Martha Moxley case.

[Amy]

New Developments In Search For Haleigh
Equusearch Says Ronald Cummings Said He Could Get Daughter Back

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- In the search for Haleigh Cummings, Tim Miller of Equusearch has said Ronald Cummings told him if he had $35,000, he could get his daughter back.

So Miller said he got a friend of his in Texas to cut him a check for that exact amount.

Haleigh vanished Feb. 9 from her Satsuma home.

Ronald Cummings' lawyer said that revelation is news to him and no one has given him any check...

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20709663/detail.html

Of course no one has "given him a check." There isn't anyone that stupid, that I can think of, especially not Tim Miller and his financial backer. Ron, it says payable upon the return of Haleigh Cummings. You see that Haleigh is returned, and you will see your check. Do ya really think someone is going to just hand you $35,000 and expect you to use it for what it was intended? :punch::chicken:

[lorettalockhorn]

Of course no one has "given him a check." There isn't anyone that stupid, that I can think of, especially not Tim Miller and his financial backer. Ron, it says payable upon the return of Haleigh Cummings. You see that Haleigh is returned, and you will see your check. Do ya really think someone is going to just hand you $35,000 and expect you to use it for what it was intended? :punch::chicken:

To Mr. Shoemaker, the check's in the mail!

(I thought I read somewhere that TM said that if Ron has trouble cashing the check, his donor will bring him cash.)

[Amy]

To Mr. Shoemaker, the check's in the mail!

(I thought I read somewhere that TM said that if Ron has trouble cashing the check, his donor will bring him cash.)

Yeah, but Ron has to produce Haleigh first.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, but Ron has to produce Haleigh first.

I think the money is for Larry. Ron can cash the check to give to Larry.

Interesting that the amount is the same as the reward money, eh? And I wonder if LE has talked to this child and figured out who Larry is. Media isn't talking about it that I can find.

[Nawny]

Of course no one has "given him a check." There isn't anyone that stupid, that I can think of, especially not Tim Miller and his financial backer. Ron, it says payable upon the return of Haleigh Cummings. You see that Haleigh is returned, and you will see your check. Do ya really think someone is going to just hand you $35,000 and expect you to use it for what it was intended? :punch::chicken:

If Haleigh is found, or Ron comes up with her, and, the state allows him to keep custody of her, I'm moving to Sicily.

[Nawny]

i don't think cnn or abc ,etc. is allowed to pay guests...i have read they might pay for transportation,or a hotel,meal or aomething like that....

yes, crystal's mother said she was in fear , especially,when they were together & she finally was able to get away...i just see how evil he is yelling at reporters in front of the world,so i can't imagine how he yells at crystal , when no one is there.i just saw something about how he can stare at LE or someone & not answer.

He'd last less than a NY second with me. I push back harder. A dirty look from a man gets my dander up. I love to bully the bully. They're weak. I believe that is the reason Scummy Cummings picks children for partners. THe beauty of it is, he doesn't take care of those helpless teens very well, which is what they think he will do when he's courting them. At least Crystal got out.

He need Mrs Bobbit around for a bit.. IMO.

[Nawny]

I do remember someone ranting at Mike Galanos (Prime News/HLN) once about sitting around, not helping but getting paid, and MG said NO one is getting paid. (Although I'm sure he draws a salary.) I took that to mean that guests are just that. Guests. Seems like on most of these shows, the guests aren't actually in the studio with the host, they're in the studio of a sister station or appearing via video hookup. I would think that any type of honorarium for meals or hotel accommodations is rare. Like for instance when the network paid for Ron&Misty's honeymoon. :rolleyes: Or all the ass kissing that has gone on for the Ants to lie on national television. :rolleyes:

Yep! ITA. Those Anthony freakazoids on TV were sheer entertainment. Free to the stations too! Poor boo hoo's never got paid to act out their tantrums and ratings skyrocketed! How's that for capitalism?

[lorettalockhorn]

If Haleigh is found, or Ron comes up with her, and, the state allows him to keep custody of her, I'm moving to Sicily.

Can I go with?!?!?

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – The Law Of Unintended Consequences

Being even remotely involved with the Haleigh Cummings case is somewhat like being a bit player in the classic movie ‘The Curse Of The Mummy’. No charges have been filed concerning the direct case, finding the missing 6 year old, but grief and pain is awaiting all that enter this all too real soap opera.

I am writing this as an Op-Ed piece, and as a consequence feel no commitment to ‘name names’ or sources, take it for what it is.

The victim in this case is Haleigh Cummings, however she is not the only one. There are dead and wounded everywhere. You could write an entire book on the subject, and maybe I will at some point. Some of the victims of the ‘Haleigh Curse’ richly deserve the ills that have befallen them. Some entered the fray looking for fame and fortune, only to find infamy and ill-will. I don’t think I need to expand on who those people are. But, they have reaped their richly deserved ignominy. If I hear the term Pro-Bono bloody lawyer one more time I swear I am going to puke!

Others entered this battleground with nothing but the best of intentions, they were not seeking fame, they were seeking a little lost child. Of course, under the curse, no good deed can go unpunished, but that will be the subject of another article.

Although I am by no means a supporter of drugs or prostitution, this case has also created some major waves in the local hood. That is not a bad thing, it has had an effect on the dynamics of the area. Suddenly what was tolerated in the old Putnam County is no longer quite as acceptable.

A question that I am asked a lot is why don’t the press push this case, why don’t we see Haleigh Cummings face on the TV everyday? The answer is simple, to touch this case is to commit a form of professional Hari Kari.

Yes, CNN or more correctly their HLN cable channel are sometimes goaded into covering it, but, and it is a big but, when was the last time they actually covered any ‘breaking news’, or in Nancy speak ‘Bombshell’. For the most part the coverage is days old, and the coverage very sanitized...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122124#comment-1401900

[ErrinSpelling]

I think the th's are paid. It's not like they are just "guests" they are the "experts" on specific cases to answer questions in areas the host might not have expertise in. Otherwise, I don't think that national exposure to be put down and ridiculed by the host would be enough "payment" for most of them to continue to return.

Think about it. I don't even recall the names of most of the th's that are on the program. The one in the middle, the blond w/long hair, the dude w/the heavy glasses. Sometimes another poster will come up w/the name, but most of the time, not. Now, the Gumby man doctor--I know Loretta a Beemer and BoB and Gator and Nawny know HIS name---I can't remember HIS name, but NG doesn't put him down like she does the lawyers. Heck, she even fawns all over Dr Lee, who I do happen to recognize. Oh, and I recognize Dr Baden. But the lawyers? Who remembers their names? Oh, that Mickey guy (not Spillane) who represented that Skakel kid in the Martha Moxley case.

new glasses= ray juidice (sp), blond= ann bremner, loretta's gumby, jds, me, author of when to call the dr.= dr. joshua perper
mickey sherman

[SaraSidle]

It's pretty much an all-paid trip, from what I understand. Airfare, hotel and meals (and not Motel 6 and McD's,) taxi fare from here to there, probably tickets to something, a show or whatever else the person(s) are wanting to do. I suppose, picking up souveniers and such might be @ the guest's own expense, but pretty much everything else is picked up by the network.

Hey, a free trip out of town, national tv, some cushy digs and eats, even if they aren't paid for the appearance, what's not to like about it? :shrug:

no kidding. especially new york or atlanta

[ErrinSpelling]

He'd last less than a NY second with me. I push back harder. A dirty look from a man gets my dander up. I love to bully the bully. They're weak. I believe that is the reason Scummy Cummings picks children for partners. THe beauty of it is, he doesn't take care of those helpless teens very well, which is what they think he will do when he's courting them. At least Crystal got out.

He need Mrs Bobbit around for a bit.. IMO.

he would probably be nice to mrs. bobbit & call her, miss lorena.

there was that story, that possibly abc ? paid for the anthony's stay & gave them a free meal at the 4 sesons & they were eating crab puffs, when they got the call caylee had been found & they kept eating.

[SaraSidle]

he would probably be nice to mrs. bobbit & call her, miss lorena.

there was that story, that possibly abc ? paid for the anthony's stay & gave them a free meal at the 4 sesons & they were eating crab puffs, when they got the call caylee had been found & they kept eating.

RC would be skeert!!!!!!!!!:chicken::chicken::chicken::chicken :

[ErrinSpelling]

RC would be skeert!!!!!!!!!:chicken::chicken::chicken::chicken :
:D yes he would be.

[ErrinSpelling]

yesterday we find out ron worked 4 pm-3 am, for the 1st time... now NG says 5pm....:shrug:

TN you are 48,NG is 50: why are you calling her miss nancy?she isn't that much older than you are...

[SaraSidle]

yesterday we find out ron worked 4 pm-3 am, for the 1st time... now NG says 5pm....:shrug:

TN you are 48,NG is 50: why are you calling her miss nancy?she isn't that much older than you are...

a southern thing?

[ErrinSpelling]

a southern thing?

yes, but where i come from, s.c., you say it to people a lot ,older than you are.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Update: Dad's Timeline More Solid

TJ Hart


More information on the timeline of the father of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma the night she disappeared has been made public.

During the taping of Friday night's Nancy Grace Show on HLN, I was guest along with Ronald Cummings' mother Teresa Neves and Ronald's attorney Terry Shoemaker among others. Nancy asked me about the reported argument between Ronald and his then-babysitter--now wife Misty over the telephone the evening Haleigh vanished. I told her it took place at about 8:30pm while Ronald was at work.

Earlier I had reported that my sources close to the investigation told me Ronald goes to work at about 4pm and returns home after 3am.

Nancy Grace asked Ronald's attorney Friday night some questions about his timeline on February 9, 2009. Terry Shoemaker said on national television that Ronald picked up Haleigh at the bus stop at 3:30 and Iitt takes him 19 minutes to go from home to work at PDM. Shoemaker then cleared up a significant grey area stating that Ronald usually gets to work about 45 minutes or so early for his 5pm shift at PDM, putting him at work around 4pm but not actually working until 5pm.

Both investigators and PDM officials say Ron was at work the whole shift.

Tim Miller, Director of Texas Equusearch--who arranged for Misty's recent polygraph that she failed, also asked Ronald about his timeline a couple of weeks ago in the law office of Orlando attorney Mark Nejame. Miller account concurs with that of law enforcement officials. Miller also states that Ronald was seen on tape at a convenience store buying beer, cigarettes and peanuts just after 3am February 10, 2009.

AUDIO: Tim Miller

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5154674.php

[lorettalockhorn]

a southern thing?

IMO it's an affectation in this instance.

[lorettalockhorn]

new glasses= ray juidice (sp), blond= ann bremner, loretta's gumby, jds, me, author of when to call the dr.= dr. joshua perper
mickey sherman

http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/images/Joshua_Perper/Joshua_Perper_0001.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

yes, but where i come from, s.c., you say it to people a lot ,older than you are.

What exactly is the purpose of Mother Teresa showing up tonight? She has no new information. She just cannot fathom why Misty flunked the polygraph. :confused:

Baffling.

[SaraSidle]

yes, but where i come from, s.c., you say it to people a lot ,older than you are.

Nancy is older Maybe Crystal is being polite.

Wan't TN on the NG show to talk about the argument rc and mc had the night Haleigh disappeared? I am watching a marathon of my favorite show all night so I have not watched NG or JVM. sara

[Nawny]

i don't think cnn or abc ,etc. is allowed to pay guests...i have read they might pay for transportation,or a hotel,meal or aomething like that....
yes, crystal's mother said she was in fear , especially,when they were together & she finally was able to get away...i just see how evil he is yelling at reporters in front of the world,so i can't imagine how he yells at crystal , when no one is there.
i just saw something about how he can stare at LE or someone & not answer.

Thanks Errin. I didn't know either way. :seeya:

[wind149]

Mother Teresa is in deep denial I think. And the reason I think this, is she can't bad mouth Misty or even reveal her true feelings because she KNOWS her son is in this up to his ass and to implicate Misty on national TV, is like cutting off her own hand? I truly feel now that Ron married her and she married him was to make sure they both keep their mouths shut because neither one of these inbred pieces of trash want to go to prison and I just wish that Haleigh's body could be found somewhere just like when Caylee was found, Cindy and George could not continue the charade of Zany the Nanny kidnapped Caylee and it blew up every lie out of Casey's mouth and this is what I want to see happen for honey pie and I have a gut and it is telling me, that soon, her body just might turn up. I don't have a clue where, I just have these feelings that something is going to open right up and the world will know for sure that this little skank has been lying all long and I would love to see the look on her face and for sure Ron's when Haleigh is found? It would be priceless??

And I still feel the medication angle, this child was on several according to a poster on FCN that knows the family and if she is indeed alive, who is getting them for her? NO ONE because she is not being held for ransom? The $35,000 is probably what Ron owes his local dope dealer? And all Hank is trying to do is deflect attention away from his scum daughter and he has no love for Ron, I think it is pure D crap about the guy "LARRY" too?? If Hank really felt compelled to tell someone that Haleigh could be bought back, don't you think he would have told Putnam CO and not Tim Miller? Come on, I know this trash fears police, but a child is missing, not a bad bag of dope?? Easy to see how Misty learned to lie fluently because this loser lies like a rug too?? The whole lot of them are almost on the same white trash meter as the Couey's?? And that lousy sister of his lied through her tooth to save her scum brother and did not give one crap that Jessie was being held in his closet, taken out only when he used her for a sex toy?? And then the maggot buried her alive?? And Nancy tonight, with Teresa, nice as pie and still is bashing Crystal???

And today the twinnies, turned 22 months old, I am surprised we were not treated to the whole party scene, where they wear their cake and ice cream and she tears up and her whole viewing audience was oohing ahhing, well, not this girl, it gets a little bit much, you would swear she was the first woman to give birth to twins and she is an expert don't ya know at motherhood and she does not spend every waking minute with them so it is safe to assume she has a babysitter or a nanny?? Now some people have said that Crystal would not win mother of the year and I agree, but she is innocent in all of this and she just wants her daughter back and she did not deserve the crap NG gave her, and I really hate when she does that roll her eyes with that sarcastic Oh Really, and some of the heads she treats like they are complete idiots, but she introduces them as so and so is an expert, an esteemed ME, or reknowned defense lawyer blah blah and then when they don't say what she wants them to, or God Forbid they disagree with her, then all hell breaks loose, she interrupts them rudely and tears some of them out a new one and then some, who have been the focus of her wrath before, they just kiss her ass!! The only talking head on there that I like is Susan Moss, that woman knows her stuff and she does not kiss ass either and says it like it is and does not give a crap if Nancy does not like what she has to say or disagrees?? Monday, she is gonna hash this whole thing out with a special, hopefully, she might have something new or good to hash, for months with the Anthony's last summer and fall, it was the same old crap day after day and she did this with the ANS debacle too.

[Amy]

new glasses= ray juidice (sp), blond= ann bremner, loretta's gumby, jds, me, author of when to call the dr.= dr. joshua perper
mickey sherman

Ah, yes. Dr Perper and Mickey Sherman. It's a wonder I couldn't remember Dr Perper's name, considering my drink of choice is Dr Pepper, lol!!!

The others, I am pretty sure I recognize the name Ann Bremner, not the other so much. She takes so long to present the credentials of the th's, it's easy to forget the name by the time she gets thru!!!

[Marian Paroo]

But that "Miss Nancy" thing, instead of "Ms. Grace" or even "Miss Grace" sounds rather patronizing and demeaning to me.

Like speaking to some nitwit Southern antebellum belle, instead of an educated (whatever you think of her she is educated) professional.

[ErrinSpelling]

http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/images/Joshua_Perper/Joshua_Perper_0001.jpg

:D lol

poor tj hart, writes the work timelime, of ron & the next day his defense attorney says 5 & then tj has to write another story.......

well either TN wanted to show off her new hairdo, or cnn wanted to advertise she was on, for ratings or to get people to watch.i can't make the call.

[ErrinSpelling]

Nancy is older Maybe Crystal is being polite.

Wan't TN on the NG show to talk about the argument rc and mc had the night Haleigh disappeared? I am watching a marathon of my favorite show all night so I have not watched NG or JVM. sara

oh i didn't hear crystal say that. i heard TN, but i like loretta's affectation answer.they should put TN's picture above affectation, in the dictionary.

what marathon, did i miss?

i don't know why, but i can't see ron telling TN ,what he was fighting about...maybe now, b/c everything has to be explained,or lied about,on tv, but at the time,i just don't see the "rageaholic" saying mom i had a fight with MC about so&so, or she was with WBG., or ...........

[ErrinSpelling]

Thanks Errin. I didn't know either way. :seeya:

they took my waving guy again...smilie bandit, i guess.

[ErrinSpelling]

Ah, yes. Dr Perper and Mickey Sherman. It's a wonder I couldn't remember Dr Perper's name, considering my drink of choice is Dr Pepper, lol!!!

The others, I am pretty sure I recognize the name Ann Bremner, not the other so much. She takes so long to present the credentials of the th's, it's easy to forget the name by the time she gets thru!!!

lol..
i was trying to remember the name of a mall & it's the same name as the town,i am living in & the building,i live at......

i meant to say, i only learned their names,during scott peterson, so i could write, what they say....

she says the name & credentials, after every commercial too, usually.

[lorettalockhorn]

But that "Miss Nancy" thing, instead of "Ms. Grace" or even "Miss Grace" sounds rather patronizing and demeaning to me.

Like speaking to some nitwit Southern antebellum belle, instead of an educated (whatever you think of her she is educated) professional.

Nitwit Southern antebellum belle? Sheesh My nieces and nephews frequently refer to me as Miss Loretta or Miss Hels and opposed to Aunt or Auntie. You really have a talent for slagging on women. :rolleyes:

Some things may simply be outside of your realm of understanding. As hard as that may be for you to swallow.

[lorettalockhorn]

oh i didn't hear crystal say that. i heard TN, but i like loretta's affectation answer.they should put TN's picture above affectation, in the dictionary.

what marathon, did i miss?

i don't know why, but i can't see ron telling TN ,what he was fighting about...maybe now, b/c everything has to be explained,or lied about,on tv, but at the time,i just don't see the "rageaholic" saying mom i had a fight with MC about so&so, or she was with WBG., or ...........

Ron doesn't have to tell Mother Teresa anything, the umbilical cord is still attached. And UGH that tattoo. "MOM" and an apple pie wasn't good enough?! She's so far up his wazoo, she can probably tell you what he's digesting.

[Marian Paroo]

Nitwit Southern antebellum belle? Sheesh My nieces and nephews frequently refer to me as Miss Loretta or Miss Hels and opposed to Aunt or Auntie. You really have a talent for slagging on women. :rolleyes:

Some things may simply be outside of your realm of understanding. As hard as that may be for you to swallow.

I did say it may come from being a Yankee. In the title of my post.

I really didn't know it was still used in the 20th and the 21st century and by decent normal people like you and yours. My apologies. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I did say it may come from being a Yankee. In the title of my post.

I really didn't know it was still used in the 20th and the 21st century and by decent normal people like you and yours. My apologies. :rose:

Makes little difference to me which side of the Mason Dixon line you grew up on; I've seen you on numerous occasions bash white women, Christian women and now Southern women. You don't come off so much as a Yankee but rather a misogynist.

[lorettalockhorn]

Cape Cod couple questioned in HaLeigh Cummings case

A family in South Yarmouth, Mass. has been questioned by authorities regarding the disappearance of six-year-old Florida girl, HaLeigh Cummings.

The Cape Cod Times reports that deputies from a Florida sheriff’s office questioned the couple on Saturday at the South Yarmouth state police headquarters in relation to the little girl’s disappearance over six months ago.

Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael O’Keefe said, “This is an ongoing investigation and the state police detectives assigned to my office are assisting the Florida authorities. I’m not going to make any comments regarding an ongoing investigation.”

South Yarmouth, Mass. is over 1200 miles north of Satsuma, Fla., where HaLeigh vanished.

Police would not elaborate further about the investigation, and the identity of the individuals questioned has not yet been released.

HaLeigh’s stepmother, Misty Cummings, recently failed a polygraph, and other tests regarding her knowledge about the little girl’s disappearance. Misty claimed to be home alone with HaLeigh and her little brother when the girl went missing Feb. 10, however, authorities have publicly stated Misty's story has repeatedly changed and is not credible.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d5-Cape-Cod-couple-questioned-in-HaLeigh-Cummings-case

[lorettalockhorn]

Cape couple questioned about missing Florida girl

SOUTH YARMOUTH – A local family has been questioned regarding the disappearance of a 6-year-old girl from Florida more than six months ago, according to law enforcement officials.

Deputies from a Florida sheriff’s office questioned the local couple Saturday afternoon at the South Yarmouth state police barracks in relation to the Feb. 10 disappearance of Haleigh Cummings, state police Sgt. Robert Finacom said. He referred all other questions to Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael O’Keefe.

“This is an ongoing investigation and the state police detectives assigned to my office are assisting the Florida authorities,” O’Keefe said Saturday night. “I’m not going to make any comments regarding an ongoing investigation.”

Haleigh disappeared in the middle of the night from her home in Satsuma, Fla. Her father’s girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, put her to bed and was the last person to see the youngster. Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, 25, was at work when she disappeared, according to published reports.

The case has received national attention, but there have been no arrests.

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090905/NEWS11/909059982

[lorettalockhorn]

Body found in St. Johns near San Marco

Jacksonville police are investigating the discovery Saturday night of a body in the St. Johns River in San Marco.

The body was found near River Road and Landon Avenue, close to Riverfront Park, and was retrieved by boat. It's not clear where the death occurred.

Police did not immediately release information about the body, including gender or age. Police at the scene said the cause of death was undetermined.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-09-06/story/body_found_in_st_johns_near_san_marcoAbout

[lorettalockhorn]

Gee, this sure looks like Haleigh at a social network site. Wonder who posted this and when?

http://www.doulike.us/photos/7133610.html?b=4&w=46

ETA: Guess Misty posted this to Tim's myspace on 6/18. :confused:

http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – Action Moves To Massachusetts

The Cape Cod Times are running an article that officers from a Florida Sheriffs office interviewed a local couple about the February 10th disappearance of then five year old Haleigh Cummings. The Cape Cod Times said:

Deputies from a Florida sheriff’s office questioned the local couple yesterday afternoon at the South Yarmouth state police barracks in relation to the Feb. 10 disappearance of Haleigh Cummings, state police Sgt. Robert Finacom said. He referred all other questions to Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael O’Keefe.

Details are sketchy as to the identity of this couple. The South Yarmouth duty officer would not provide any hard information other than confirm that an interview had indeed taken place. He suggested that we should contact the detective involved for any additional information.

The timing of this interview has piqued my interest, if it was merely an anonymous tip, one of the 4000 plus that have been received by the Putnam County Sheriffs Office it would seem unlikely that they would follow it up on a long weekend. So the question becomes, is this a new tip? And if it is, where did it come from? Could it be as a result of the recent round of re-questioning the family members?

The timing also means that the press can effectively be stonewalled until Tuesday, is something afoot?

I have just got off a conference call with TJ Hart and William “Cobra” Staubs, and an interesting but maybe coincidental piece of information came to light. As best we can tell Misty Croslin’s older brother Timmy and his wife moved to Massachusetts some two months ago...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122140

[lorettalockhorn]

Local couple questioned in case of missing girl

YARMOUTH, Mass. -- Florida authorities have interviewed a couple in New England about the disappearance of Florida 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings, according to the Cape Cod Times.

Police say they will not comment on what is an ongoing investigation.

Cummings disappeared from Florida in the middle of the night in February.

Her father's girlfriend, now his fiance, was the last person to see her.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO123719/

[Woostock]

This case gets more twists and turns than a runway!! there wasn't anything in our paper today about Haleigh; it's just so convoluted you don't know what or who to believe.
I never considered she might be here in MA.......

[lorettalockhorn]

Mrs. Tim Croslin's (Chelsea's) maiden name is Bergen. She is listed with a relative Robert Bergen in Harwich, MA which is about 15 miles from Yarmouth, MA where the couple was questioned.

To a cynic it looks like Misty stays busy expending all her energy pointing the finger of guilt and doubt instead of concentrating on a viable and truthful story for LE to work with.

[Nawny]

But that "Miss Nancy" thing, instead of "Ms. Grace" or even "Miss Grace" sounds rather patronizing and demeaning to me.

Like speaking to some nitwit Southern antebellum belle, instead of an educated (whatever you think of her she is educated) professional.

Being born and raised on the East Coast I had never heard anyone referred to as Miss (First name) When my mom moved to Florida she was addressed as Miss Vicky by all her new native southern friends. It never occurred to her or me, or anyone in my Yankee family to be offended. We found it an affectionate (and it reeked with respect) title. Miss Vicky was an educated, warm, hospitable, and fine lady. The southerners were very warm and friendly toward her.

?????? I don't understand your take on the "miss" word.

[Nawny]

Cape Cod couple questioned in HaLeigh Cummings case

A family in South Yarmouth, Mass. has been questioned by authorities regarding the disappearance of six-year-old Florida girl, HaLeigh Cummings.

The Cape Cod Times reports that deputies from a Florida sheriff’s office questioned the couple on Saturday at the South Yarmouth state police headquarters in relation to the little girl’s disappearance over six months ago.

Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael O’Keefe said, “This is an ongoing investigation and the state police detectives assigned to my office are assisting the Florida authorities. I’m not going to make any comments regarding an ongoing investigation.”

South Yarmouth, Mass. is over 1200 miles north of Satsuma, Fla., where HaLeigh vanished.

Police would not elaborate further about the investigation, and the identity of the individuals questioned has not yet been released.

HaLeigh’s stepmother, Misty Cummings, recently failed a polygraph, and other tests regarding her knowledge about the little girl’s disappearance. Misty claimed to be home alone with HaLeigh and her little brother when the girl went missing Feb. 10, however, authorities have publicly stated Misty's story has repeatedly changed and is not credible.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d5-Cape-Cod-couple-questioned-in-HaLeigh-Cummings-case

Thanks for the link kid. :)

[Nawny]

So does anyone believe that hypnosis is credible? I lean more toward the voice analyst's report. Misty is a child IMO and she's lying her head off. Like wind, I feel Haleigh's remains will show up. We've seen stranger things happen. Angels do very big things sometimes. Poor Haleigh. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

So does anyone believe that hypnosis is credible? I lean more toward the voice analyst's report. Misty is a child IMO and she's lying her head off. Like wind, I feel Haleigh's remains will show up. We've seen stranger things happen. Angels do very big things sometimes. Poor Haleigh. :rose:

I dreamed Haleigh was dumped in The Zone and was freaked out when I read Gator's post about the vultures over on Suburban. :( I think she'll turn up too, but I'm puzzled that LE thinks she can be alive. Who would take such good care of her what with dr's appointments and meds? But no sightings?

(Of course, jackals might be competent to give her a better life than Ron&Misty.)

ETA: I do think hypnosis is a viable tool, but the subject has to be cooperative. And does anyone find it odd that it was Misty who suggested the voice stress analysis? Where did she learn about that? Was it on Melrose Place or something?

[Nawny]

I dreamed Haleigh was dumped in The Zone and was freaked out when I read Gator's post about the vultures over on Suburban. :( I think she'll turn up too, but I'm puzzled that LE thinks she can be alive. Who would take such good care of her what with dr's appointments and meds? But no sightings?

(Of course, jackals might be competent to give her a better life than Ron&Misty.)

ETA: I do think hypnosis is a viable tool, but the subject has to be cooperative. And does anyone find it odd that it was Misty who suggested the voice stress analysis? Where did she learn about that? Was it on Melrose Place or something?

Amen on the Jackals. :beer:

I've been hypnotized twice, but I wasn't really. Ya know? First time was to gather some hints about a past I have repressed. Second time was for smoking. Wasted money, no success. But that's just me. I always wondered if hypnosis was a viable tool. As for Haleigh being alive... hmmm it's a long shot, don't you think? Perhaps LE is using their statements as a strategy?:shrug:

I don't get Misty asking for the voice analysis. It doesn't add up to her mental status level. I can't see her wanting something she can't spell. Someone encouraged that idea IMO. She's a little liar all day every day.

[Gatordog]

But that "Miss Nancy" thing, instead of "Ms. Grace" or even "Miss Grace" sounds rather patronizing and demeaning to me.

Like speaking to some nitwit Southern antebellum belle, instead of an educated (whatever you think of her she is educated) professional.

I am from NY originally and have gotten very used to southern politeness. A neighbor of mine is close to my age yet when he sees me he always calls me Miss Joanne. I find it very quaint and charming.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Gee, this sure looks like Haleigh at a social network site. Wonder who posted this and when?

http://www.doulike.us/photos/7133610.html?b=4&w=46

ETA: Guess Misty posted this to Tim's myspace on 6/18. :confused:

http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

That little girl looks just like her - has to be don't you think? It was posted in 2008?

[Nawny]

I am from NY originally and have gotten very used to southern politeness. A neighbor of mine is close to my age yet when he sees me he always calls me Miss Joanne. I find it very quaint and charming.

Gator

Is he married? :hat:


Yes, ya can't help but notice those southerners are friendly. Strangers say good morning there. Here, they tell you to move your car. And they call the police on you when your dog barks. ;)

[Gatordog]

I dreamed Haleigh was dumped in The Zone and was freaked out when I read Gator's post about the vultures over on Suburban. :( I think she'll turn up too, but I'm puzzled that LE thinks she can be alive. Who would take such good care of her what with dr's appointments and meds? But no sightings?

(Of course, jackals might be competent to give her a better life than Ron&Misty.)

ETA: I do think hypnosis is a viable tool, but the subject has to be cooperative. And does anyone find it odd that it was Misty who suggested the voice stress analysis? Where did she learn about that? Was it on Melrose Place or something?

Loretta, it was so horrible seeing those birds there. I immediately thought that maybe someone dumped another body there to use it to throw off LE and create an alibi. It was terrible to see and I had to turn away. I drove down the end of the street to make a U-turn and noticd there were two more vultures sitting on the street lamp looking down.

Gator

[Amy]

Gee, this sure looks like Haleigh at a social network site. Wonder who posted this and when?

http://www.doulike.us/photos/7133610.html?b=4&w=46

ETA: Guess Misty posted this to Tim's myspace on 6/18. :confused:

http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

And so did someone else, looks like the post just prior to Misti's? Only w/a different pic. I don't know, but that looks like a dating type of site (or worse.) What in the world would they be doing putting Haleigh's pic there?? OH, I bet I get it!!! Misti and that other fellow put Haleigh's pic out there, and some POS answers back, and then they trap that person and see if s/he might have Haleigh? Or, might have some friends or acquaintances that might have heard something thru the pediophile grapevine? :shrug:

[Nawny]

Loretta, it was so horrible seeing those birds there. I immediately thought that maybe someone dumped another body there to use it to throw off LE and create an alibi. It was terrible to see and I had to turn away. I drove down the end of the street to make a U-turn and noticd there were two more vultures sitting on the street lamp looking down.

Gator

EEEK! That must have made you very sad. It's unspeakable, why they were really there. I've never heard anything about this on the news. You should contact someone and it may end up in the trial. I think its important.

That was a strange dream lorettta. And yet.. not.

[Amy]

Local couple questioned in case of missing girl

YARMOUTH, Mass. -- Florida authorities have interviewed a couple in New England about the disappearance of Florida 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings, according to the Cape Cod Times.

Police say they will not comment on what is an ongoing investigation.

Cummings disappeared from Florida in the middle of the night in February.

Her father's girlfriend, now his fiance, was the last person to see her.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO123719/

Whomever wrote that article needs to get up-to-speed on the case, if s/he is going to be reporting on it, IMO. The girlfriend was his "fiance" for all of a couple of days, and has long since become his wife.

[Nawny]

Whomever wrote that article needs to get up-to-speed on the case, if s/he is going to be reporting on it, IMO. The girlfriend was his "fiance" for all of a couple of days, and has long since become his wife.


True!

Hey Amy! We've been looking for you. Come to the anything board and tell us about that "hinky" I'm reading that book about hinkey's and I'm loving it.

That's such a great word! :seeya:

[Amy]

Amen on the Jackals. :beer:

I've been hypnotized twice, but I wasn't really. Ya know? First time was to gather some hints about a past I have repressed. Second time was for smoking. Wasted money, no success. But that's just me. I always wondered if hypnosis was a viable tool. As for Haleigh being alive... hmmm it's a long shot, don't you think? Perhaps LE is using their statements as a strategy?:shrug:

I don't get Misty asking for the voice analysis. It doesn't add up to her mental status level. I can't see her wanting something she can't spell. Someone encouraged that idea IMO. She's a little liar all day every day.

I wonder how difficult it would be for someone to be able to take Haleigh to see a doctor, to see that she is getting proper medication and such. Well, maybe not. I can't remember that I had to produce any documents about either myself or my kids when we saw doctors. Of course, the kids went to the same doc that delivered them. I remember having to produce a SSN to the business office, but that's it. I guess SSN's are pretty much a dime a dozen, if ya know where to go to get them.

I would think a doctor would want previous medical records, but I suppose there might be some doctor or maybe a clinic of some type that would not push the issue to get them. I do hope this is the case, and that wherever the doctor/clinic is, they have not received the news coverage, so don't know to question that this little girl might be the one missing from FL.

I don't know much about her disease, and how sick she might get w/out meds or medical monitoring, or if she could die fairly quickly without them.

[lorettalockhorn]

Amen on the Jackals. :beer:

I've been hypnotized twice, but I wasn't really. Ya know? First time was to gather some hints about a past I have repressed. Second time was for smoking. Wasted money, no success. But that's just me. I always wondered if hypnosis was a viable tool. As for Haleigh being alive... hmmm it's a long shot, don't you think? Perhaps LE is using their statements as a strategy?:shrug:

I don't get Misty asking for the voice analysis. It doesn't add up to her mental status level. I can't see her wanting something she can't spell. Someone encouraged that idea IMO. She's a little liar all day every day.

HAHAHAHA I've read that GGMS threatened to throw Misty out the window if she didn't go through with the tests, so maybe that's your encouragement!! I can well imagine LE using all kinds of strategy. Like saying that people aren't suspects or POIs. I just don't believe it. :shrug:

Maybe hypnosis is hit or miss, I've had no experience with it, but have thought about using it to quit smoking. I'll try to find someone who has a money back guarantee! Been meaning to look up Florida's statute, but in some states, you cannot testify in court if you have been hypnotized. Maybe that's why Misty agreed. ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

That little girl looks just like her - has to be don't you think? It was posted in 2008?

Hey Miss Joanne! :seeya: I thought it was posted on 6/18/09? Myspace is a total mystery to me, but isn't that the posted date to the right of Misty's avatar and at the top of the doulike thingie? I'm pretty sure that wasn't there the last time that I looked at Tim's page. At any rate, what kind of sick kcuf would make a doulike for Haleigh?!?!

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, it was so horrible seeing those birds there. I immediately thought that maybe someone dumped another body there to use it to throw off LE and create an alibi. It was terrible to see and I had to turn away. I drove down the end of the street to make a U-turn and noticd there were two more vultures sitting on the street lamp looking down.

Gator

We used to have buzzards up here on Crow Mountain (on the old maps it was called Carrion Crow Mountain), and it was okay; they kept to themselves and policed the area of roadkill, etc. But THEN the turkey vultures moved in and they are so aggressive and so vile that the buzzards moved away. They do take live prey and one day when my back was turned literally for a minute, snatched up my sweet little flamepoint angora cat and I guess lost their grasp (or didn't like his runny nose). When I found him down the hill he was already dead. It broke my heart to tell Leroy. A former cat hater, he spent hours finding the perfect spot and digging his grave. RIP Sneezy&Dopey.

I am very wary of those nasty creatures. They're like an evil omen.

[Nawny]

HAHAHAHA I've read that GGMS threatened to throw Misty out the window if she didn't go through with the tests, so maybe that's your encouragement!! I can well imagine LE using all kinds of strategy. Like saying that people aren't suspects or POIs. I just don't believe it. :shrug:

Maybe hypnosis is hit or miss, I've had no experience with it, but have thought about using it to quit smoking. I'll try to find someone who has a money back guarantee! Been meaning to look up Florida's statute, but in some states, you cannot testify in court if you have been hypnotized. Maybe that's why Misty agreed. ;)

Ahhhhhhh, wooooooo hooooo!!! Stupid Misty, like a fox! Man they can find ways to get their butts out of a jam, but they can't find a Damn *&^%!@# JOB!

As for hypnosis for quiting smoking, at $60 bucks a pop, I'd rather buy me some pumpkins to smash. It'd be more productive. I went 3 times, and I even got bent over to buy 3 cassette tapes that did zero to cure my smoking habit.
I can't be hypnotized. I'm too hyper-vigilant. :punch: or a complete thick head.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder how difficult it would be for someone to be able to take Haleigh to see a doctor, to see that she is getting proper medication and such. Well, maybe not. I can't remember that I had to produce any documents about either myself or my kids when we saw doctors. Of course, the kids went to the same doc that delivered them. I remember having to produce a SSN to the business office, but that's it. I guess SSN's are pretty much a dime a dozen, if ya know where to go to get them.

I would think a doctor would want previous medical records, but I suppose there might be some doctor or maybe a clinic of some type that would not push the issue to get them. I do hope this is the case, and that wherever the doctor/clinic is, they have not received the news coverage, so don't know to question that this little girl might be the one missing from FL.

I don't know much about her disease, and how sick she might get w/out meds or medical monitoring, or if she could die fairly quickly without them.

Like you point out, there may not have been a lot of coverage, and the newspaper article even listed Misty as the fiance, so Haleigh might go unnoticed to John Doe. I would like to think that the investigation team has put out BOLOs to the medical community for a blonde five year old with Turner's Syndrome, certain birthmarks, webbing on the toes, and a heart murmur. Supposedly, Haleigh had lots of colds (enough to miss a lot of school) and used some sort of medication with a nebulizer. Not sure about other meds. It does seem like someone would have to be looking for Haleigh to notice her for whatever reason.

Just read in this morning's paper about a young boy(?) who was being held in a safe (or at least secret) room in the grandparent's house after a custodial abduction two years ago. This child may have never seen the light of day during that time. :shrug:

I'm using the :shrug: a lot lately!

[Nawny]

Like you point out, there may not have been a lot of coverage, and the newspaper article even listed Misty as the fiance, so Haleigh might go unnoticed to John Doe. I would like to think that the investigation team has put out BOLOs to the medical community for a blonde five year old with Turner's Syndrome, certain birthmarks, webbing on the toes, and a heart murmur. Supposedly, Haleigh had lots of colds (enough to miss a lot of school) and used some sort of medication with a nebulizer. Not sure about other meds. It does seem like someone would have to be looking for Haleigh to notice her for whatever reason.

Just read in this morning's paper about a young boy(?) who was being held in a safe (or at least secret) room in the grandparent's house after a custodial abduction two years ago. This child may have never seen the light of day during that time. :shrug:

I'm using the :shrug: a lot lately!

Yep. I hear that Miss Loretta.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – BNN Radio Wrap Up For Sept 6Posted on September 6th, 2009 by Simon Barrett in crimeRead 66 times.Our panel this week consisted of the Barrett’s, TJ Hart, Denny Griffin, William “Cobra” Staubs, and Art Harris.

I had a feeling it was going to be a lively program and I was right. A lot is happening in this case, and it is happening very quickly. Sure, it has taken six months, but suddenly the wheels are beginning to fall off the wagon.

Interestingly enough, most of the recent movement has not been (or at least does not appear to have been) engineered by Law Enforcement. The primary players seem to be the ones hell bent on self destruction. Neither Ronald Cummings nor Crystal Shefeild scored any positive points by appearing on the Nancy Grace program this week. Ronald Cummings was so evasive that I doubt that if Nancy Grace had asked him what his name was, she would have got a straight answer!

Crystals performance the following evening was equally appalling. Crystal was not evasive, she just came across as being completely clueless. When asked what time Haleigh got out of school each day, she did not know! This hardly paints a picture of the ideal, (all be it absent) mother.

I watched these two ‘non-interviews’ with interest, clearly the gloss was beginning to flake on Nancy. I am sure that if it were not for the FCC regulations, she would have let them both know exactly what she thought of them....

...At 3am Ron leaves work. He drives to a convenience store and buys beer, smokes, peanuts, and whatever. Then he drives home to discover that Haleigh is missing.

As Art Harris and Cobra pointed out, to get to the store, you had to drive right by the house! Why would Ron not have gone home first?...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122149

Link to program inside.

[Amy]

Haleigh Cummings – BNN Radio Wrap Up For Sept 6Posted on September 6th, 2009 by Simon Barrett in crimeRead 66 times.Our panel this week consisted of the Barrett’s, TJ Hart, Denny Griffin, William “Cobra” Staubs, and Art Harris.

I had a feeling it was going to be a lively program and I was right. A lot is happening in this case, and it is happening very quickly. Sure, it has taken six months, but suddenly the wheels are beginning to fall off the wagon.

Interestingly enough, most of the recent movement has not been (or at least does not appear to have been) engineered by Law Enforcement. The primary players seem to be the ones hell bent on self destruction. Neither Ronald Cummings nor Crystal Shefeild scored any positive points by appearing on the Nancy Grace program this week. Ronald Cummings was so evasive that I doubt that if Nancy Grace had asked him what his name was, she would have got a straight answer!

Crystals performance the following evening was equally appalling. Crystal was not evasive, she just came across as being completely clueless. When asked what time Haleigh got out of school each day, she did not know! This hardly paints a picture of the ideal, (all be it absent) mother.

I watched these two ‘non-interviews’ with interest, clearly the gloss was beginning to flake on Nancy. I am sure that if it were not for the FCC regulations, she would have let them both know exactly what she thought of them....

...At 3am Ron leaves work. He drives to a convenience store and buys beer, smokes, peanuts, and whatever. Then he drives home to discover that Haleigh is missing.

As Art Harris and Cobra pointed out, to get to the store, you had to drive right by the house! Why would Ron not have gone home first?...

http://www.bloggernews.net/122149

Link to program inside.

Bolding mine.

Well, we do remember that, in the latest? (I think) version, was it during the voice analysis or the LDT, or the non-hypnosis that Misti wonders, as she sees the light on, had Ron been home? And she looks for the phone to call him to ask, and discovers Haleigh gone.

OTOH, when I get off work, I make all the stops I need to make before I get home, cuz I'm one who, once I get home, I'm not all that eager to pile back into the car to go get my smokes and pop and such. No matter which shift I am working. Even if I have to drive right by my house to get to the store that is open @ that particular time.

[Marian Paroo]

hahahaha i've read that ggms threatened to throw misty out the window if she didn't go through with the tests, so maybe that's your encouragement!!

ggms - ???

[Marian Paroo]

This is a link about the disease from a solid, reliable source:




http://www.genome.gov/19519119

I'm not going to say it is "no big deal" but it is definitely something that normal, caring parents can handle.

[tv]

HAHAHAHA I've read that GGMS threatened to throw Misty out the window if she didn't go through with the tests, so maybe that's your encouragement!! I can well imagine LE using all kinds of strategy. Like saying that people aren't suspects or POIs. I just don't believe it. :shrug:

Maybe hypnosis is hit or miss, I've had no experience with it, but have thought about using it to quit smoking. I'll try to find someone who has a money back guarantee! Been meaning to look up Florida's statute, but in some states, you cannot testify in court if you have been hypnotized. Maybe that's why Misty agreed. ;)

I'm glad you brought that up about the hypnosis. That's been my understanding -- that once you're hypnotized you can't testify. I wish I could remember what particular case I was reading about...:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hunt for missing Fla. girl leads to Cape

A nationwide search for a missing Florida girl came to Massachusetts over the weekend, when Sunshine State authorities traveled to Cape Cod to question a couple in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

Investigators interviewed Timothy Croslin and his wife Saturday as they searched for clues that might help them find Haleigh, 6, who disappeared from her Satsuma, Fla., home on Feb. 9, according to Putnam County Sheriff spokesman Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

Croslin’s sister, Misty, 17, was the last person to see Haleigh. She told police she tucked the little girl into bed the night of Feb. 10 while her boyfriend, and Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, 25, was away at work.

Misty, who police say is not a suspect, has given authorities conflicting details of what happened that evening and flunked a lie-detector test.

“If we can determine what happened that night, we’d be a lot closer to bringing Haleigh home,” Greenwood said.

Timothy Croslin could not be reached; neither could Misty Croslin nor Ronald Cummings.

Putnam County Sheriff agents and officials with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement traveled to the Cape to interview Croslin, Greenwood said, but he wouldn’t say why.

According to the Cape Cod Times, the Florida investigators were following up on a tip Haleigh was spotted at an Abington Walmart. Haleigh is 3 feet tall and weighs about 40 pounds.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1195872

[lorettalockhorn]

Bolding mine.

Well, we do remember that, in the latest? (I think) version, was it during the voice analysis or the LDT, or the non-hypnosis that Misti wonders, as she sees the light on, had Ron been home? And she looks for the phone to call him to ask, and discovers Haleigh gone.

OTOH, when I get off work, I make all the stops I need to make before I get home, cuz I'm one who, once I get home, I'm not all that eager to pile back into the car to go get my smokes and pop and such. No matter which shift I am working. Even if I have to drive right by my house to get to the store that is open @ that particular time.

Amy, I could never take a night course when I was in school; I'd come in in the afternoon and not be able to pry myself away.

Anyway, I had wondered about Misty's comment about Ron having been at home, and now we have more of an answer. Sorta kinda.

[Amy]

I'm glad you brought that up about the hypnosis. That's been my understanding -- that once you're hypnotized you can't testify. I wish I could remember what particular case I was reading about...:shrug:

In the case I remember the issue coming up (I remember the issue, not the case, lol) the problem more was of WHO administered the hypnosis. The administrator has to have specific credentials. Oh, I think it was a neighbor in the Laci Peterson case. So, unless TM's hypnotist had specific qualifications, it would seem, if this case ever gets past arrest and charges and on to trial, that Misti might not be on any one's witness list?

I wonder, if it comes down to Misti being the one charged (not saying here that she would be the one, just hypothetical) I guess she would not be able to take the stand? Or, if you are the defendant, there might be exceptions made--and just that nothing about the hypnosis could be brought up?

Or, could she still testify about things that were NOT covered under hypnosis?

[lorettalockhorn]

In the case I remember the issue coming up (I remember the issue, not the case, lol) the problem more was of WHO administered the hypnosis. The administrator has to have specific credentials. Oh, I think it was a neighbor in the Laci Peterson case. So, unless TM's hypnotist had specific qualifications, it would seem, if this case ever gets past arrest and charges and on to trial, that Misti might not be on any one's witness list?

I wonder, if it comes down to Misti being the one charged (not saying here that she would be the one, just hypothetical) I guess she would not be able to take the stand? Or, if you are the defendant, there might be exceptions made--and just that nothing about the hypnosis could be brought up?

Or, could she still testify about things that were NOT covered under hypnosis?

Not finding any statute regarding forensic hypnosis in Florida, but did find several cases on appeal claiming that the admissibility and reliability of hypnotized witnesses has not been proved. All I really could find were laws regarding the licensing of therapeutic hypnotists. :shrug: <<There he is again!

[lorettalockhorn]

Couple questioned about Haleigh

SOUTH YARMOUTH, Mass. – - A Massachusetts newspaper is reporting that a Cape Cod couple was questioned over the weekend about missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings.

According to an article on the website of the Cape Cod Times , investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office questioned the Cape Cod couple Saturday afternoon at the South Yarmouth state police barracks. The couple’s name has not been released. The newspapeer is reporting that investigators were following up on a tip that Haleigh had been spotted at an Abington Walmart.

According to the Boston Herald, Florida investigators interviewed Timothy Croslin and his wife at the South Yarmouth police barracks on Saturday. Croslin's sister, Misty, is dating the little girl's father and was the last person to see her.

Putnam County Sheriff’s Office investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped early on February 10 and the last person to see the five-year-old was her father's girlfriend, now wife, Misty Croslin. Croslin made the 911 call alerting police to Haliegh's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/090709couple_questioned_haleigh

Has LE ever specified before that Haleigh was taken after midnight?

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings: Nancy Grace takes up saga on Monday

Want to know more about the story of missing Haleigh Cummings?

HLN's Nancy Grace will explore the case at 8 and 10 p.m. Monday. The program is a combination of new and old material, an HLN spokeswoman said.

Grace's Web page offers this preview: "What happened to the missing 5-year-old tot, abducted from her own bed, with her teen babysitter & brother in the same room! Cops now call the babysitter's story 'sketchy' & announce they believe Haleigh was not taken by a stranger. What does the babysitter know? Exclusive interviews with key players, including Haleigh's dad and his new wife, the babysitter!"

All those exclamations! I can hear Grace's voice.


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/haleigh-cummings-nancy-grace-takes-up-saga-on-monday.html

[lorettalockhorn]

>>All those exclamations! I can hear Grace's voice.

Love me some Hal!

Seriously, I'm wondering what new news NG will have and hope it has something to do with the Walmart sighting. When did it happen? Is that what took LE to Mass? Was it Timmy who reported the sighting? So many questions!

Wish LE would bust out with their opinion on the doulike posting at Timmy's myspace. What would possess Misty to post and/or create that? Did someone else create it and she posted it to taunty Timmy? So many questions!

[ErrinSpelling]

>>All those exclamations! I can hear Grace's voice.

Love me some Hal!

Seriously, I'm wondering what new news NG will have and hope it has something to do with the Walmart sighting. When did it happen? Is that what took LE to Mass? Was it Timmy who reported the sighting? So many questions!

Wish LE would bust out with their opinion on the doulike posting at Timmy's myspace. What would possess Misty to post and/or create that? Did someone else create it and she posted it to taunty Timmy? So many questions!

don't get too excited...trying to get into the mind of NG :eek: it will not be anything new to people following the case,only to the general population.jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

don't get too excited...trying to get into the mind of NG :eek: it will not be anything new to people following the case,only to the general population.jmo

Just started watching and something stood out to me while listening to the 911 call for the umpteenth time; Misty says that she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00 or so and went to bed at 10:00 or so, but never actually says that Haleigh was or wasn't there when she went to bed. And of course, we later have Ron saying that the bed was never slept in. So the question is not only where was Haleigh sleeping? but where was Junior sleeping?

[ErrinSpelling]

Just started watching and something stood out to me while listening to the 911 call for the umpteenth time; Misty says that she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00 or so and went to bed at 10:00 or so, but never actually says that Haleigh was or wasn't there when she went to bed. And of course, we later have Ron saying that the bed was never slept in. So the question is not only where was Haleigh sleeping? but where was Junior sleeping?
it's a lot of mishegas...
i bet the new news will be clips ,from last week.

[Nawny]

Just started watching and something stood out to me while listening to the 911 call for the umpteenth time; Misty says that she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00 or so and went to bed at 10:00 or so, but never actually says that Haleigh was or wasn't there when she went to bed. And of course, we later have Ron saying that the bed was never slept in. So the question is not only where was Haleigh sleeping? but where was Junior sleeping?

Didn't they back peddle on the unmade bed? It wasn't made? Or it was made?
I can'tbelieve they can't catch a 17 year old in her own lies. We need a profiler. When I was her age I couldn't even get away with telling my parents I was going to church without proof. WTF?

[Nawny]

Not finding any statute regarding forensic hypnosis in Florida, but did find several cases on appeal claiming that the admissibility and reliability of hypnotized witnesses has not been proved. All I really could find were laws regarding the licensing of therapeutic hypnotists. :shrug: <<There he is again!

Thanks Loretta! I still feel that she did the hypnosis thingy for the reasons you mentioned. She's a ding bat and I don't put my money on her independent decisions. She's has to be, being coached. But she's not surrounded by any Harvard Grads.

[ErrinSpelling]

can't the prosecutor just put the man,on the stand ,who said she was not under, b/c she would not allow herself to be put under & then the judge says,ok she testifies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't they back peddle on the unmade bed? It wasn't made? Or it was made?
I can'tbelieve they can't catch a 17 year old in her own lies. We need a profiler. When I was her age I couldn't even get away with telling my parents I was going to church without proof. WTF?

Don't think the bed, made or unmade makes a difference at this point, but what I was trying to point out is that I have never heard Misty say that when she went to bed at 10 - 10:30 Haleigh was still there, just that when she woke up Haleigh wasn't there. Makes me think this is one of the inconsistencies. Had never really made up my mind that Misty was gone from the house that night, but now I think it's a distinct possibility. BUT what are the chances that someone, friend or foe, family or stranger would know that this was the prime time to take Haleigh? And why wasn't Junior taken?

[lorettalockhorn]

can't the prosecutor just put the man,on the stand ,who said she was not under, b/c she would not allow herself to be put under & then the judge says,ok she testifies.

For sure, since Misty (for whatever reason) wasn't actually hypnotized to the point that she could give information, there is no statutory reason for her not to testify in a court of law. But I've got a feeling that if Misty is ever in court re: Haleigh, she won't be testifying. Period.

[ErrinSpelling]

For sure, since Misty (for whatever reason) wasn't actually hypnotized to the point that she could give information, there is no statutory reason for her not to testify in a court of law. But I've got a feeling that if Misty is ever in court re: Haleigh, she won't be testifying. Period.

me,too..i have that same feeling,she will be the defendant.

[deacon]

me,too..i have that same feeling,she will be the defendant.

For some reason I don't think she will be sitting at that table alone though.

[ErrinSpelling]

For some reason I don't think she will be sitting at that table alone though.

there are good reasons, to think that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting that NG used so much anti-Crystal/pro-Ron footage tonight.

And was any of this crappage new?

MEH.

The only thing (once again) I see worth watching, listening and paying attention to is the salute to an American hero. Nancy mentions Labor Day, but no mention of the fact that so many people are without jobs. :(

[deacon]

http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=8209&type=top

This case also has me thinking.

[ErrinSpelling]

Interesting that NG used so much anti-Crystal/pro-Ron footage tonight.

And was any of this crappage new?

MEH.

The only thing (once again) I see worth watching, listening and paying attention to is the salute to an American hero. Nancy mentions Labor Day, but no mention of the fact that so many people are without jobs. :(
oh i knew she was going to do the anti-crystal, last night & show those clips of her close ups, mr. demeil (sp) , making faces at kim picazio.she is just showing her ignorance.

i missed the new.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=8209&type=top

This case also has me thinking.

deacon, that's exactly the case I read about yesterday morning that made me think of the scenario that Haleigh is alive and "well".

[lorettalockhorn]

oh i knew she was going to do the anti-crystal, last night & show those clips of her close ups, mr. demeil (sp) , making faces at kim picazio.she is just showing her ignorance.

i missed the new.

You are not alone. Now just how many viewers does NG have? And just how many glommed onto the new information promised to Hal Boedecker by HLN??

[Nawny]

Don't think the bed, made or unmade makes a difference at this point, but what I was trying to point out is that I have never heard Misty say that when she went to bed at 10 - 10:30 Haleigh was still there, just that when she woke up Haleigh wasn't there. Makes me think this is one of the inconsistencies. Had never really made up my mind that Misty was gone from the house that night, but now I think it's a distinct possibility. BUT what are the chances that someone, friend or foe, family or stranger would know that this was the prime time to take Haleigh? And why wasn't Junior taken?

Okay, I see what you mean now. This is important, yes. We want to hear her say, "and when I went to bed, she was right there." After reading your post, I meandered into the den to watch, Lie to Me.. We need that guy!

[Nawny]

Interesting that NG used so much anti-Crystal/pro-Ron footage tonight.

And was any of this crappage new?

MEH.

The only thing (once again) I see worth watching, listening and paying attention to is the salute to an American hero. Nancy mentions Labor Day, but no mention of the fact that so many people are without jobs. :(

Thanks Loretta. You just saved us a wasted hour. Poppa just came in here to tell me NG was on. (I had mentioned my interest from reading these posts here.) When he told me she's on, I said, :cuss: I don't want to listen to her bull crap for an hour. She has nothing new to say! He gave me the hairy eyeball and left the kitchen. LOL!

[deacon]

Thanks Loretta. You just saved us a wasted hour. Poppa just came in here to tell me NG was on. (I had mentioned my interest from reading these posts here.) When he told me she's on, I said, :cuss: I don't want to listen to her bull crap for an hour. She has nothing new to say! He gave me the hairy eyeball and left the kitchen. LOL!

I watched part of it and no, there was nothing new. SOSDD.

[ErrinSpelling]

You are not alone. Now just how many viewers does NG have? And just how many glommed onto the new information promised to Hal Boedecker by HLN??

i don't know, miss loretta. but i think she is trying to get more & that's why she started from the beginning, to capture new peeps.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, I see what you mean now. This is important, yes. We want to hear her say, "and when I went to bed, she was right there." After reading your post, I meandered into the den to watch, Lie to Me.. We need that guy!

I always forget to watch that! And House, MD! I really, really need an intervention when it comes to NG.

Thanks Loretta. You just saved us a wasted hour. Poppa just came in here to tell me NG was on. (I had mentioned my interest from reading these posts here.) When he told me she's on, I said, :cuss: I don't want to listen to her bull crap for an hour. She has nothing new to say! He gave me the hairy eyeball and left the kitchen. LOL!

Great googly moogly!!!!!! Send our Poppa out to give Miss Schmancy the hairy eyeball. And the finger!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I watched part of it and no, there was nothing new. SOSDD.

Why oh why didn't she cover this Walmart sighting?!?! Who saw her and when could mean something. :shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug: <<See? Can't stop!

[Nawny]

I always forget to watch that! And House, MD! I really, really need an intervention when it comes to NG.



Great googly moogly!!!!!! Send our Poppa out to give Miss Schmancy the hairy eyeball. And the finger!!!!!!

LOL!! Yes, he didn't realize I had read the reactions to tonight's show here.. LMAO!!

Poppa wants to like NG. He wants to believe she really cares about kids and her mission is to help find them. He often gives her the benefit of the doubt. For some reason he finds her funny when she goes into B!tch mode. I grumble, he laughs.

I never minded her when she was covering the liar's case though. This passive aggressive stuff she's playing with the Cummings case is pretty bad.

[Nawny]

Why oh why didn't she cover this Walmart sighting?!?! Who saw her and when could mean something. :shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug: <<See? Can't stop!


LMAO!!!

Maybe tonight's show was taped? :shrug:

[deacon]

LOL!! Yes, he didn't realize I had read the reactions to tonight's show here.. LMAO!!

Poppa wants to like NG. He wants to believe she really cares about kids and her mission is to help find them. He often gives her the benefit of the doubt. For some reason he finds her funny when she goes into B!tch mode. I grumble, he laughs.

I never minded her when she was covering the liar's case though. This passive aggressive stuff she's playing with the Cummings case is pretty bad.

Me thinks she thinks too highly of herself.:mad:

[Nawny]

Me thinks she thinks too highly of herself.:mad:

Yes, Miss Nancy loves Miss Nancy deac.

Some nights, I'd rather watch paint dry.

[Nawny]

loretta. when is House on? I haven't seen it yet. I do like Nurse Jackie. Well I hate it but I like it, if you know what I mean. Also Dexter is another one I love to hate. I'm so into truetv, I miss a lot of normal programs. I'm stuck on crime shows. They make me nuts though. :confused:

[One2Snoop]

Why oh why didn't she cover this Walmart sighting?!?! Who saw her and when could mean something. :shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug: <<See? Can't stop!



IIRC wasn't there a "possible" sighting of Haleigh at a Walmart early on in the investigation? Maybe this was just a re-cap of old news? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL!! Yes, he didn't realize I had read the reactions to tonight's show here.. LMAO!!

Poppa wants to like NG. He wants to believe she really cares about kids and her mission is to help find them. He often gives her the benefit of the doubt. For some reason he finds her funny when she goes into B!tch mode. I grumble, he laughs.

I never minded her when she was covering the liar's case though. This passive aggressive stuff she's playing with the Cummings case is pretty bad.

There is no doubt that NG loves children and I think the anguish she feels for parents of "lost" children is real. But her inability to consider that there are three sides to every story makes me sick and wanna puke. Don't care if Crystal Sheffield is the worst parent and partly due to the slick moves of a serial child rapist, and who is completely at a loss as to what to do about her situation; she deserves some sympathy or empathy in this situation. Unless LE is lying and she is a POI or suspect. Then let's tear her a new one.

loretta. when is House on? I haven't seen it yet. I do like Nurse Jackie. Well I hate it but I like it, if you know what I mean. Also Dexter is another one I love to hate. I'm so into truetv, I miss a lot of normal programs. I'm stuck on crime shows. They make me nuts though. :confused:

House MD is Monday nights on Fox. Oh gosh, I don't even have the channel that shows Dexter, have only seen the season that CBS showed during the writer's strike. <3! Yeah, I'm so stuck on TruTV that Peter Thomas' voice (for instance) is burned into my brain. Just heard it during the FL vs Miami game and was trying to explain to Leroy how it is that an 85 year old man can use his voice to be convincing; don't care what he's selling. (I'm going to be looking for an agent for a newly retired professor!)

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC wasn't there a "possible" sighting of Haleigh at a Walmart early on in the investigation? Maybe this was just a re-cap of old news? :shrug:

Hey stranger! :seeya: Could be and I don't remember? Just find it interesting that even though the location of this sighting reported is a ways off from where the Croslins are living that NG and everyone else hasn't focused on when and by whom the sighting was made. If it's a sighting from early on in the investigation, LE should say so.

[Nawny]

There is no doubt that NG loves children and I think the anguish she feels for parents of "lost" children is real. But her inability to consider that there are three sides to every story makes me sick and wanna puke. Don't care if Crystal Sheffield is the worst parent and partly due to the slick moves of a serial child rapist, and who is completely at a loss as to what to do about her situation; she deserves some sympathy or empathy in this situation. Unless LE is lying and she is a POI or suspect. Then let's tear her a new one.

House MD is Monday nights on Fox. Oh gosh, I don't even have the channel that shows Dexter, have only seen the season that CBS showed during the writer's strike. <3! Yeah, I'm so stuck on TruTV that Peter Thomas' voice (for instance) is burned into my brain. Just heard it during the FL vs Miami game and was trying to explain to Leroy how it is that an 85 year old man can use his voice to be convincing; don't care what he's selling. (I'm going to be looking for an agent for a newly retired professor!)

And I was just thinking I'd crawl up those stairs and get some sleep. Now I'm peeing my pants laughing and I'm wide awake. Should I make something to eat now? LOL!!!!