Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[lorettalockhorn]

NA, I didn't find any registered sex offenders named Croslin in KY or anywhere in the US. But maybe his last name isn't Croslin.

[lorettalockhorn]

Girlfriend describes role with children

PALATKA - Misty Croslin has been the girlfriend of Haleigh Cummings' father, Ronald Cummings, for five months, lives in his house and has been the primary caretaker of Haleigh and her younger brother, Croslin told The Sun on Friday.

The 17-year-old said that she loves the children as if they were her own and that they love her.

"I always stay with the kids," she said. "I had them 24/7, except for the four days out of the month when they would go to their mom's."

Croslin is a central figure in the disappearance of Haleigh from the Cummings home on Tuesday morning.

Cummings was at work when Croslin woke up to use the bathroom and discovered Haleigh missing from the home at about 3 a.m.

The children and Croslin were asleep in the master bedroom - Haleigh on one bed close to the television set and Croslin and Ronald Cummings Jr., 3, in another bed, Croslin said Friday.

Authorities and a force of volunteers have spent the week searching the woods and rivers near Cummings' home in Satsuma in Putnam County.

Croslin said she is originally from Michigan and has lived in Florida for about seven years. Croslin has lived in various parts of the state, including Daytona Beach, where she lived with her brother.

Initial trips to Palatka were to visit her parents, and Croslin said she did not like the community.

"It's country," she said. "I'm not used to the country. I'm city."

Croslin said she has not attended school in some time, adding that she had signed up for GED classes but did not attend.

Croslin said Cummings regularly works the night shift and that she watches the children while he's at work. Haleigh was often driven to school and typically took the bus home, she said.

Croslin said that despite being 17, she has considerable experience caring for children.

"I've been baby-sitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902141012/-1/LIVING05?Title=Girlfriend_describes_role_with_chil dren

[Zingo]

The talking head on NG tonight said that a footprint was found by the dog team; I wonder if he meant that literally. Was Haleigh barefoot when the print was made? I also wonder if the perp walked her to the water. Maybe not strong enough to carry her.

Well, my question is how do the dogs know the scent wasn't made by Haleigh any day of the week? I mean, why do we assume they follow a trail, that it couldn't have been an older trail? (Zingo don't know nothin' about bloodhounds) :shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

I don't usually do this but it needs to be said. You are a snob. Your name calling AKA trailor trash, hillbillies etc is sick. Yes these people have little means, education, life skills etc. but the fact that you look down on them because they are not like you or you friends is just plain snobish. You remind me of the twits on the titanic that thought their lifeboat should only hold the upper class and let the lower class drown. There is nothing wrong with living in a trailor. Not everone is born with a silver spoon up their arse as clearly you were. I think there is something up to with the GF but it has NOTHING to do with their social status.:punch: :punch: :punch: and one more for the road :punch: :cuss::flamemad:
Hi STL, I'm not Wind, but I think she/he is disgusted with the criminal element. I thought he/she said that h/she had lived in a trailer once. I, like Loretta am worried that these children were exposed to drugs, bad language, sex offenders, etc. I am a piney woods rooter from GA, and I have lived in a mobile home for several years. One difference, my and my husbands parents watched us when we were children, disciplined us, and made sure we had an education and were taught right from wrong. We were by far not rich but they worked and saved, and provided a good life. My 3 children are grown now but when they were little, I never let them out of my sight and the people who baby sat them did not either. I don't really believe Wind is a snob. I like h/she am tired with crime and innocent children being snatched from their environment and killed. Education is the ticket out of poverty, and basic education doesn't cost in the USA. I appreciate every one's opinion and just wanted to state mine. :) And I do hope this beautiful little girl is found safe and returned, but statistically it doesn't look good. :rose:

[STLcardfan]

Hi STL, I'm not Wind, but I think she/he is disgusted with the criminal element. I thought he/she said that h/she had lived in a trailer once. I, like Loretta am worried that these children were exposed to drugs, bad language, sex offenders, etc. I am a piney woods rooter from GA, and I have lived in a mobile home for several years. One difference, my and my husbands parents watched us when we were children, disciplined us, and made sure we had an education and were taught right from wrong. We were by far not rich but they worked and saved, and provided a good life. My 3 children are grown now but when they were little, I never let them out of my sight and the people who baby sat them did not either. I don't really believe Wind is a snob. I like h/she am tired with crime and innocent children being snatched from their environment and killed. Education is the ticket out of poverty, and basic education doesn't cost in the USA. I appreciate every one's opinion and just wanted to state mine. :)

read back on several of her post they all alike. She looks down on these people because of their social status period. I to agree that this family were not good parents. But I also think maddy McCann parents were not good parents somewhat and they were loaded. who leaves thier kid in a hotel room luxury or not and goes to have dinner. What I am saying is molesters take advantage of a situation no matter if its a luxury resort or a run down mobil home in the swamps of FL. I just don't think calling them losers, hillbillys etc as she has done in all her post is productive.

[lighthousedazy]

read back on several of her post they all alike. She looks down on these people because of their social status period. I to agree that this family were not good parents. But I also think maddy McCann parents were not good parents somewhat and they were loaded. who leaves thier kid in a hotel room luxury or not and goes to have dinner. What I am saying is molesters take advantage of a situation no matter if its a luxury resort or a run down mobil home in the swamps of FL. I just don't think calling them losers, hillbillys etc as she has done in all her post is productive.I can see your point, especially about Maddie. Her parents should have hired a trustworthy baby sitter when they went out to dinner. I would never have left a child that age and her little sibling alone. So sad. jmo I know that crime, abuse, pedophilia, etc., and even stupidity, crosses every line. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

Crytal was denied a restraining order against Ronald in '06:

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=210959&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

Click the individual page to open PDF file. (I don't think Crystal and Ronald were ever married. Can't find a record of a divorce.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Found this on another board, but there is no link:

This has no bearing on the case but bio mom lost custody because she didn’t show for court and supposedy she had drug issues.

Now Dad’s record is showing up
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint

12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN

12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003

11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE

11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court

8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe…3879&IMG=49930
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007

12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL

4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE

11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence: $273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST

[mandi3020]

read back on several of her post they all alike. She looks down on these people because of their social status period. I to agree that this family were not good parents. But I also think maddy McCann parents were not good parents somewhat and they were loaded. who leaves thier kid in a hotel room luxury or not and goes to have dinner. What I am saying is molesters take advantage of a situation no matter if its a luxury resort or a run down mobil home in the swamps of FL. I just don't think calling them losers, hillbillys etc as she has done in all her post is productive.

I agree totally with your comments! I am a hillbilly--there I said it. I was born and raised in WV, still live there today. I am educated and a professional. Having said that, I work with the poor and uneducated, many of whom are living in trailers or dwellings that are not as nice as a trailer, and I can assure you that the majority of them are wonderful people who would do anything that they could for a total stranger.

There have been very snobby, shallow comments made on this thread regarding this family, and it's a shame when you consider the nightmare they are living right now.

[STLcardfan]

Found this on another board, but there is no link:

This has no bearing on the case but bio mom lost custody because she didn’t show for court and supposedy she had drug issues.

Now Dad’s record is showing up
10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint

12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
Sentence: maybe someone can translate. These are the notes from the trial: THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN

12/12/2002 - ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT
Notes:
2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I
2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II
2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003
2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003

11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
Notes:
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID
2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE

11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
Notes:
This one was transferred to County Court

8/1/2006 - TRESPASS - http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe…3879&IMG=49930
Notes:
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS
2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY
2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST
2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006
2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION
2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006
2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007

12/19/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT
Notes:
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL

4/3/2007 - AFFRAY
Sentence: 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE

11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence: $273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST


this is not suprising. This guy has no business having custody of these kids not just because of this record but his fedish for young girls is distubing.

[lorettalockhorn]

Crystal's myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

[lighthousedazy]

this is not suprising. This guy has no business having custody of these kids not just because of this record but his fedish for young girls is distubing.
I find that odd also. Usually custody is granted to the mother unless she really has a drug or alcohol dependence,etc or is shown unfit. She said that the first subpoena was sent to a phoney address and she missed the court hearing. I guess we will never hear all of it, but I hope and pray that the little girl is found.

[STLcardfan]

I find that odd also. Usually custody is granted to the mother unless she really has a drug or alcohol dependence,etc or is shown unfit. She said that the first subpoena was sent to a phoney address and she missed the court hearing. I guess we will never hear all of it, but I hope and pray that the little girl is found.


I am starting to wonder about FL laws and the ability to protect kids. Sounds like they both had issues with drugs. How many times can you get busted in FL before you actually do some time? what happened to mandtory sentencing? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty's myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

Misty's brother Timothy's myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=102176131

Misty's brother Tommy's myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882

[lorettalockhorn]

Someone asked about the layout of the trailer:

http://i39.tinypic.com/6isl6p.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wdul2b.jpg

The back door is actually in the master bathroom, which would mean that if Haleigh was in her room or in front of the TV (versions 3&4?), the kidnapper would have had to come in and out through Misty's bedroom to carry Haleigh out. For some reason, I had thought that the back door was on the back of the trailer, or in the kitchen.

[Native Alien]

The below link sort of explains how the father had custody.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=10

[Native Alien]

Dang lorettalockhorn you have been busy while I was sleeping.

About the mobile home, I am of the opinion that there is a door on the end and it has a wheelchair ramp instead of stairs.

That however doesn't explain why someone would turn the kitchen light on when all they needed to be in was the bedroom.

I forget who I was listing to but they said that there was a mattress on the floor in the master bedroom that Haleigh was on. But again that doesn't explain why someone would risk crossing the room to turn on the kitchen light and then come back and get the little girl and to out.

Unless of course they knew that Misti wouldn't wake up.

[STLcardfan]

The below link sort of explains how the father had custody.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=10

unbeliveable that judge needs disbarred. The man is a freaking drug dealer. apparently since Momma works at the sherriffs office he has been getting away with it like a license to sell drugs. they give them to informants here in my state.
Its erie that her Mom stated that if they left the kids with him it would just be a matter of time until something happened. I am shocked at the courts in FL. :flamemad::cuss:

[Woostock]

Danagher
totally agree with your post. Parents/caretakers have a duty to protect their children and in this case something is not right. I do not believe a word of what the girlfriend has said and she has changed her story more than once. One does NOT have to be a Harvard graduate with a Ph.d. to show the level of care and protection of their children.Believe me, I see situations where I am very concerned about very young children and always refer to the authorities (Child Services) if I have any concerns at all. For goodness sake these are CHILDREN. and we need to protect them.

[Woostock]

WIND 149
You are absolutely right in my opinion. Parents have a duty to watch, care and protect their children. When children are young it is fairly easy to do; as they get older, teenage years it does become harder in some cases. over the summer I fill in for early intervention workers and do home visits. I watch like a hawk and will refer any thing that is amiss. And in spite of this I lost a child. The teen mother smoked, left cigarettes burning, etc. I got after her and called social services and we tried to get the 4 yr old out. I had gotten the 2 yr old into family daycare but the 4 yr old was too old and while social services tried to put something together he died in the fire from her cigarette. I have never gotten over it but at least I tried.

[STLcardfan]

Danagher
totally agree with your post. Parents/caretakers have a duty to protect their children and in this case something is not right. I do not believe a word of what the girlfriend has said and she has changed her story more than once. One does NOT have to be a Harvard graduate with a Ph.d. to show the level of care and protection of their children.Believe me, I see situations where I am very concerned about very young children and always refer to the authorities (Child Services) if I have any concerns at all. For goodness sake these are CHILDREN. and we need to protect them.

its not just the girlfriend. The father has a history of drug arrests, abuse etc. I got a bad feeling he is controlling what she says starting with making her call 911 when is is standing right there and its his kid. Than covering his mike and coaching her on National TV. I am starting to think something happened to this girl BEFORE he went to work. She had nearly drowned before under his care. what judge gives custody to a man with a history of drug arrest.

[Kellapple]

i have been watching this case with interest since it first began and i hope and pray the child is found safe, though as time goes by i begin to realize that may not happen. The police seem to have ruled out the child unlocking the front door and wandering outside.

I have read everything that has been said on here, and i feel the need to say something. My former husband was from west virginia, and his family was what would be termed "hillbillies". When i first met them, it was quite a culture shock for me. However, as i got to know them, i found that in spite of their lack of education, poor verbal skills, and backwoods appearance, they had hearts of gold. When neighbors needed help, they were the first ones the first ones there to extend their hand. They would give you the shirt off their back, and ask for nothing in return. They worked long and hard hours to feed and clothe their children, and their love for them was no different from the love any parent feels for their child.

While my life has taken me away from that family and my circumstances are quite different from what they are used to, i still remember them with fondness. They were, for the most part, good, honest people.

This family has suffered a tragedy of the magnitude that most of us cannot comprehend. To be honest, , i have been saddened by many,many of the comments that have been made about them. I hope none of you are ever in a similar situation and have your life, home, family, income, habits, appearance, speech, and education held up to scrutiny in the most minute detail, while you are going through the most harrowing event of your life.

For myself, i will reserve judgement until all the facts are known and the case is hopefully resolved.

very well said!

[Woostock]

STLCardFan
Seems that way....both the father and the girlfriend have histories that are coming to light.

[mandi3020]

Someone asked about the layout of the trailer:

http://i39.tinypic.com/6isl6p.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wdul2b.jpg

The back door is actually in the master bathroom, which would mean that if Haleigh was in her room or in front of the TV (versions 3&4?), the kidnapper would have had to come in and out through Misty's bedroom to carry Haleigh out. For some reason, I had thought that the back door was on the back of the trailer, or in the kitchen.

I don't think that the back door being IN in the master bedroom makes sense. I think that is a window. Unless, previous residents replaced the window with a door--I'm thinking if there had been a disabled member of the household that would have needed direct wheelchair access to the master bedroom. I think someone in a previous post mentioned a wheelchair ramp. Wow, everything about this situation is so troubling. Thanks for your work on getting the physical layout of the home. It was me that was curious about it.

[Lodi]

I don't think that the back door being IN in the master bedroom makes sense. I think that is a window. Unless, previous residents replaced the window with a door--I'm thinking if there had been a disabled member of the household that would have needed direct wheelchair access to the master bedroom. I think someone in a previous post mentioned a wheelchair ramp. Wow, everything about this situation is so troubling. Thanks for your work on getting the physical layout of the home. It was me that was curious about it.

The backdoor leads out from one of the two bathrooms.

[Lodi]

Anyone visiting the house recently could have used that bathroom and unlocked that door on purpose. The air conditioning unit was just worked on and it's located next to the bathroom. Other people were there on Sunday also. Ronald says the door was locked but can he be sure?

[wind149]

Well you can think I am a snob, but I too lived in a trailer park, I am not rich by any means, but the park I lived in does stringent background checks and credit checks, this one apparently does not. And before you make me out to be the bad guy here, look at the records these people have, they are losers IMO and unless you have worked in LE and seen kids being subjected to things they never should ever be, you should not sit in judgment of me. I have seen kids raped, molested, burned, beat, subjected to domestic violence, drugs and alcohol abuse and most times it is by a family member or somebody they brought into the child's life and this case speaks volume of all of that.

Now if these people were good parents, the kind that love and cherish their kids, that knows exactly who is in their children's lives, Geez, Mommy did not even know that Haleigh was missing school, had no clue, she barely knows Misty, I would have a totally different opinion of them, as I said in my earlier post that abducted kids are from all walks of life, Samantha Runnion was from a good loving family and some POS raped and murdered her, her parents lifestyle was far from these people's, Jessie Lunsford's family was middle class, her Dad was a truck driver and from all indications she was being raised right, she was the light of her father's eyes.

I call things the way I see it and so far I don't think I am wrong about these people, and maybe I am generalizing, but when you have seen people like this abuse their children, time and time again you get kind of jaded because that is the only way to cope, I was taught to not let this type of thing to get to you, but it does, yes, it does so I am basing my opinions on the fact that these people left their children vulnerable and I don't give a rip if Misty ran a daycare, I would never trust her to care for a child, she is but one herself and not very bright. SO if I am a snob so be it, after seeing their records neither one of these idiots should have custody of these poor kids. And what is wrong with having friends that are educated? I live on the right side of the law and these people haven't and their kids have been subjected to things they should never have been.

[Justice Denied?]

This little girl has already had a catastrophic life. She actally drowned a few years back. The father was loading the car, the mother came out and asked where Haleigh was and he didn't know even though he was supposed to be watching her. The mother ran down to the creek and Haleigh was floating face down. she was rescusitated through CPR. The file on this family is inches thick.

Gator

Gator,

Do you have a link on this? Would love to know more about this family.

[wind149]

I just tried to make heads or tails of Daddy's record and holy s**t is more like it. He is working on his third felony charge if he commits another crime so how in hell did he get custody of these kids?? Neither one of them deserve to have them! And I am the jerk for pointing out these people are trash?

Drugs: Cocaine and pot
Possession with intent to sell
Had script drugs without a script
Jacking deer out of season
Assault
Affray (probably a brawl of some kind)
Currently on probation
Probably has all conditions like do not possess or consume drugs not prescribed by a doctor, can not consume or possess alcohol

I have a feeling if Haleigh is found alive, CPS will probably snatch both kids if they are not working on it already, somebody messed up big time for giving him custody, the drug charges alone should have dictated that he not get custody but did I make the right call on Mommy too? YEP! I know why she does not have custody despite what she told NG. Not the lame excuse that "they done blew me off" "They was not on my side" Or "they done sent my court date paperwork to an address I never lived at" She can't pick up a phone and ask?? Clearly, these people should not have custody of these poor kids, much as I hate to see families broken up and the kids end up in foster care, I know I went down that trip and luckily I had good foster parents, these people are incapable of caring for these kids properly.

Misty probably is no stranger to drugs either, I will give Ronnie credit for working and yeah what is up with the mother is it, that works at the Sheriff's Dept? If she was playing dirty pool, when it comes to her son she could be in a heap of crap. I remember a dispatcher in NH that got canned and charged with obstruction of justice and lying to a police officer because her son crashed his car into another, a header, and the driver of that car was killed and he split the scene and she tried to cover for him by saying his car was stolen and he was with her which was a pile of crap and when Sonny went running from the scene a man who lived right next to where the crash occurred saw him run and recognized who it was and she actually did some jail time and blew her 26 year career up! So if you want to think I am a jerk for calling it the way it is, so be it.

[Justice Denied?]

I don't usually do this but it needs to be said. You are a snob. Your name calling AKA trailor trash, hillbillies etc is sick. Yes these people have little means, education, life skills etc. but the fact that you look down on them because they are not like you or you friends is just plain snobish. You remind me of the twits on the titanic that thought their lifeboat should only hold the upper class and let the lower class drown. There is nothing wrong with living in a trailor. Not everone is born with a silver spoon up their arse as clearly you were. I think there is something up to with the GF but it has NOTHING to do with their social status.:punch: :punch: :punch: and one more for the road :punch: :cuss::flamemad:

Three cheers! I agree 100%. Not all people have the same advantages in life. And let me tell you one thing - the poor and uneducated are capable of giving and receiving just as much love as the richy, rich and often more. And broken hearts aren't reserved for rich people either.

[Native Alien]

I don't think that the back door being IN in the master bedroom makes sense. I think that is a window. Unless, previous residents replaced the window with a door--I'm thinking if there had been a disabled member of the household that would have needed direct wheelchair access to the master bedroom. I think someone in a previous post mentioned a wheelchair ramp. Wow, everything about this situation is so troubling. Thanks for your work on getting the physical layout of the home. It was me that was curious about it.

Actually the area that is marked is a door and it doesn't go into the master bedroom, it goes into the wash room where the washer and drier are. There is one interior wall between the washroom and the master bedroom. That door into the washroom would explain the kitchen light being on, which if the door had opened into the master bedroom there would be no need for the kitchen light.

[Justice Denied?]

Well, my question is how do the dogs know the scent wasn't made by Haleigh any day of the week? I mean, why do we assume they follow a trail, that it couldn't have been an older trail? (Zingo don't know nothin' about bloodhounds) :shrug:

The LE officer who did the interview on Saturday (police chief, maybe) stated that Misty said they had walked down that way earlier in the day so the print was discounted. Just an aside - isn't that awfully rough ground for a child to be barefoot?

[lorettalockhorn]

Gonna step in and first off the bat say that it takes a special kind of person to sit in judgment of "the judgmental". :rolleyes:

Yes, the way these people talk bother me, but mostly because it's a PITA to interpret a string of double negatives.

Yes, it bothers me that the judge awarded full custody to (a man with a record) the father, but I haven't seen a link to court records to prove it, nor have I seen Crystals record, if she has one. The judge likely felt that he was making a decision based on the lesser of two evils, and opted for the father because he could provide, being employed and having access to insurance, even though I find it unlikely that he understands the fine print between a co-pay and the actual monthly deduction to pay his share of the premium. The irony here, is that the father eventually left the care of these children to an uneducated girl; an unemployed drop-out and minor. Not such a different scenario than what Crystal presented to the court. You've got to admit that Crystal's testimony that she was going to rely on relatives to help her with the children is idiotic in that they seemed to be unable or unwilling to help her get Haleigh to the doctor on a regular basis.

As for all the Ronald bashing, I could go into a philosophical diatribe about why he's an irresponsible lowlife, but the bottom line is; this man appears to be a rageaholic with no respect for where the law stands with regard to respect for girl children; he impregnated one twice and is living with another, and presumably having sexual relations with her given that they share a bed. That tells me that in a few short years, Haleigh herself could be in danger of not being protected from the likes of her own father. He might very well turn a blind eye to an older boy/man who would corrupt her.

I believe that not only have Haleigh's parents and grandparents let her down, but so has the judicial system and DFS. Regardless of the financial details of the Cummings household, Haleigh's needs don't appear to have been met, and it would seem that a guy who makes $10/hour and works up to sixty hours per week and has supposedly completed his parenting course could understand what needed to be provided for both Haleigh and Junior, but for whatever reason it wasn't a priority for him to have qualified care for them. And if Haleigh has missed excessive number of days of school, it's an indication of his disrespect for the education that he and Misty are in such desperate need to avail themselves.

The problem here is not how they talk, or how they swear, or that they lie, or that they live in a trailer, or that the father screws around with teenagers, or that there are problems with the law, it's all of the above. And you don't have to be a snob to see that; you only need to fall down on the side of the law and believe in erring on the side of the child. Any child.

[Justice Denied?]

Hi STL, I'm not Wind, but I think she/he is disgusted with the criminal element. I thought he/she said that h/she had lived in a trailer once. I, like Loretta am worried that these children were exposed to drugs, bad language, sex offenders, etc. I am a piney woods rooter from GA, and I have lived in a mobile home for several years. One difference, my and my husbands parents watched us when we were children, disciplined us, and made sure we had an education and were taught right from wrong. We were by far not rich but they worked and saved, and provided a good life. My 3 children are grown now but when they were little, I never let them out of my sight and the people who baby sat them did not either. I don't really believe Wind is a snob. I like h/she am tired with crime and innocent children being snatched from their environment and killed. Education is the ticket out of poverty, and basic education doesn't cost in the USA. I appreciate every one's opinion and just wanted to state mine. :) And I do hope this beautiful little girl is found safe and returned, but statistically it doesn't look good. :rose:

I recently read somewhere that the #2 regret of elderly people (#1 not spending more time with loved ones and taking time to enjoy life) was not getting more education. Let that be a warning to all children.

I have a daughter who is in nursing school at almost 40. Bet she wishes she had gone when she was young and had parents to pay for it. (Little hard head)

[lorettalockhorn]

Actually the area that is marked is a door and it doesn't go into the master bedroom, it goes into the wash room where the washer and drier are. There is one interior wall between the washroom and the master bedroom. That door into the washroom would explain the kitchen light being on, which if the door had opened into the master bedroom there would be no need for the kitchen light.

NA, when I was looking at the interior when I posted it, I thought the laundry room is a bathroom, which in the light of day it clearly is not. Not sure how far off the ground the trailer is, but it looks like it would be hard to prop the door "wide open" using one. I could see that one could be set in the door to keep it ajar. At any rate, I find it hard to believe that the perp entered through that door, walked through the master BR while Misty (and maybe Junior) slept, grabbed Haleigh, and came back through the bedroom without waking Misty. And half that sojourn was in the dark if the kitchen light was off when Misty went to bed.

Crystal and/or her family stated that there is a bathroom right off the master, but from what I can tell, there is only one bath in the trailer.

[lorettalockhorn]

The LE officer who did the interview on Saturday (police chief, maybe) stated that Misty said they had walked down that way earlier in the day so the print was discounted. Just an aside - isn't that awfully rough ground for a child to be barefoot?

I don't have a link, but I read that scent hounds can differentiate between old tracks and new tracks. From the TES slideshow pix that I posted yesterday, I would think that even on a trail, that would be hard going, and it seems to chilly this time of year for Haleigh to have been barefoot anyway. (I'm not even going to go into a rant about hook worms and roundworms.)

[Justice Denied?]

Someone asked about the layout of the trailer:

http://i39.tinypic.com/6isl6p.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wdul2b.jpg

The back door is actually in the master bathroom, which would mean that if Haleigh was in her room or in front of the TV (versions 3&4?), the kidnapper would have had to come in and out through Misty's bedroom to carry Haleigh out. For some reason, I had thought that the back door was on the back of the trailer, or in the kitchen.

Does that bathroom open off the kitchen or am I looking at it wrong. Looks lie a solid wall between bathroom and bedroom and a sliding door from kitchen to bath.

[Woostock]

Wind149
I have reported to children's services for LESS than what these jerks are doing. How in the world did he get custody. Also, do you know if there are early intervention follow ups in Fla???? I would think someone would have made sure the children had a home visit once in a while to see what was going on in that family..

[lorettalockhorn]

Does that bathroom open off the kitchen or am I looking at it wrong. Looks lie a solid wall between bathroom and bedroom and a sliding door from kitchen to bath.

It looks to me as though the kitchen counter that shares the bathroom wall is angled, and that there is a small hallway between the kitchen and bedroom #3 with the bathroom door on the west. (Does that make sense?)

[Woostock]

I said it in the Caylee Anthony case and I will say it again in this case. Haleigh's parents let her down.

[deacon]

Does that bathroom open off the kitchen or am I looking at it wrong. Looks lie a solid wall between bathroom and bedroom and a sliding door from kitchen to bath.

It is probably an opening without a door.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm wondering how you get into the laundry room from inside the house. I only see the exterior door which opens inward. It looks like one door in the master bedroom opens into the living room and the other into a closet. There must be some sort of door in the laundry room that goes into the kitchen rather than the bedroom. (Should have gotten out my magnifying glass sooner.)

If so, that means that the perpetrator was never on the east side of the house where Misty was sleeping.

[Justice Denied?]

It looks to me as though the kitchen counter that shares the bathroom wall is angled, and that there is a small hallway between the kitchen and bedroom #3 with the bathroom door on the east. (Does that make sense?)

I was actually referring to the laundry room without realizing it. Looks like you would have to walk from the Master bedroom thru the kitchen and laundry room between the washer and dryer to get outside. Is that corect?

[Native Alien]

I'm wondering how you get into the laundry room from inside the house. I only see the exterior door which opens inward. It looks like one door in the master bedroom opens into the living room and the other into a closet. There must be some sort of door in the laundry room that goes into the kitchen rather than the bedroom. (Should have gotten out my magnifying glass sooner.)

If so, that means that the perpetrator was never on the east side of the house where Misty was sleeping.

This trailer's floorplan is the same as someone that I know. There is an exterior door out of the laundryroom. There is an interior door between the kitchen and the laundry room. The laundryroom and the master bedroom share an interior wall that has a closet on the master bedroom side. So anyone coming into the trailer thru that exterior door would have come into the laundryroom, then into the kitchen, then into the master bedroom.

Does that make sense or help clear things up for ya'll?

[wind149]

For seeing the points I have been trying to make. It is not even so much that they are not educated, lots of uneducated people are good parents, it is their lifestyle that is putting their children at risk and now they have a 5 year old missing and how can anyone look past the record that this man has??? Drugs? Assaults? And there is a history of domestic violence between the parents kinda hard to overlook that, these poor kids saw their parents rocking out on each other and that had to have terrified them, I saw many kids after the parents or parent got arrested for DV and they are often hysterical or actually withdrawn like they are used to it, the guys would give them teddy bears or candy, no kid should see mommy and daddy physically or mentally assaulting each other and I speak from experience here.

My second husband is a prime example of how DV can impact someone's life for life. His father was extremely abusive to him and his mother, in fact, Ken had to cut short his military career to come home and care for his mother after the father shot her in the chest, it was a miracle she lived and he harbors deep resentment towards his father and Ken was abusive to me and every woman he has ever been with, like father, like son. He only hit me once and I left him for good when that happened and he is an educated man, just incapable of love or empathy for anyone. He, I think suffers from anti-social behavior, never did have many friends unless they were business associates and it bugged him I did and friends with men? He could not grasp that one, thought for sure I screwed every guy I worked with, he was good for dishing out the mental abuse, and by the third year of marriage, I wanted to leave, I talked him into getting away and while we did have a good time, talked about our relationship, I told him that he had to learn to trust someday and I felt like he was smothering me and he copped an attitude but when I told him I was going to leave him, he did try to be a better person, but IMO the damage to him can not be undone, he will continue to have relationships with women and sooner or later they leave too.

He will never seek help, he thinks he is fine, he married his 5th wife right after our divorce in 1998 and already is divorced again and it is partially not his fault. He saw things he never should have, his father used to beat him and belittle him and it is a wonder he did not go to become a serial killer, instead he went into the Marines which in IMO was not the route he should not have taken, it made him worse than he probably was at 17. SO my question is this? You can sit in judgment of me all you want, I am thick-skinned but how many abused kids have you seen or known? We have no idea how they treat these kids physically or mentally, Ken's father never called him by name, he called him the little b*****d and a loser and a wimp, this man never saw real love, his mother is a nice lady, but she was powerless to stop her husband, years ago, domestic violence was not a crime, in fact she told me she did call the police after he broke her arm and was told "a man has the right to keep his wife in line" Can you see why Ken is so broken? Kids that are exposed to violence have a tendency to continue the cycle, kids emulate their parents.

I remember a little 6 year old boy brought cocaine to school to sell it, because that is what Daddy did, Can you imagine? My mother was abusive and one reason I never had children, I was afraid I would be like her, and we were upper middle class, mommy dearest made sure appearances were kept up, we looked like the Cleaver's from the outside, inside we were anything but. SO I do know how it feels to feel unloved and wonder what I am doing wrong and the worst part of this I got a daily dose of how I was a "chosen child" I never bonded with her and a lot of adopted kids go through this. I think that I suffer from attachment disorder even though I have never been diagnosed. And my adoptive father did nothing to stop her, he did not hit me often though, I think it bothered him, her never. I got beat for not putting the cap on the toothpaste right. I got beat because my brother had a seizure. I got beat because I did not want to go to piano lessons. She had these grandiose ideas in her head for me and they were unrealistic. She never wanted me to just be a kid.

She wanted me to be Miss New Jersey, I hated getting all dressed up, she had me taking ballet class, everything I was not and when she could not mold me into what she perceived, then she did not want me and she resented me and even at a young age I felt that every day. Kids can feel even as an infant whether they feel the love and I never did and I can't tell you how good it felt when I found my biological family, they accept me for me and I feel the love now, it only took me 46 years. So my point is I feel these kids were not being cared for properly, were in a tug-of-war between them, Daddy sticks a girl he barely knows to fill the Mommy shoes, Mommy only sees them every other weekend and it is obvious why she does not have custody, if a police officer had believed me when I told him I was being abused, I would have left home a lot sooner and his response? "Your parents have the right to punish you" "I have known your parents for years, they are good people and you are a bad child for lying" And you know of course he could not wait to tell them what I said and I got beat for that. So I know what a bad parent is and like I said I was raised upper middle class.

[Native Alien]

I was actually referring to the laundry room without realizing it. Looks like you would have to walk from the Master bedroom thru the kitchen and laundry room between the washer and dryer to get outside. Is that correct?

Exactly right Justice.

[Native Alien]

NA, when I was looking at the interior when I posted it, I thought the laundry room is a bathroom, which in the light of day it clearly is not. Not sure how far off the ground the trailer is, but it looks like it would be hard to prop the door "wide open" using one. I could see that one could be set in the door to keep it ajar. At any rate, I find it hard to believe that the perp entered through that door, walked through the master BR while Misty (and maybe Junior) slept, grabbed Haleigh, and came back through the bedroom without waking Misty. And half that sojourn was in the dark if the kitchen light was off when Misty went to bed.

Crystal and/or her family stated that there is a bathroom right off the master, but from what I can tell, there is only one bath in the trailer.

It will set about 2 or so feet off the ground, and there is a wheelchair ramp up to that door which is how they propped it open with a cinder or concrete block. I saw that in some of the footage yesterday. They had to come in that washroom exterior door, then thru the kitchen, around the wall, into the master bedroom and then back out.

I am with you in that I only see one bathroom in that floorplan. In my friend's there is a master bath but it is not so that you can separate it from the bedroom it's self. Maybe this one is the same way and there is no wall really separating the bathroom from the bedroom area. Her's has an archway that will allow for a curtain or curtains to be hung up to separate the areas but there is no traditional separation of the bedroom/bathroom.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was actually referring to the laundry room without realizing it. Looks like you would have to walk from the Master bedroom thru the kitchen and laundry room between the washer and dryer to get outside. Is that corect?

That's how I see it. I originally thought the laundry room was a bathroom, because of what the Sheffield's were saying, but according to this drawing, there is only one bathroom, north of the kitchen. Looks like you would have to go from the master, through the living room, kitchen, and laundry room to get outside.

Which could be the reason that Misty changed her story that she was actually sleeping with Haleigh.

[Native Alien]

Nothing new revealed in the press conference from the Sheriff's Office today, other than they have moved to Patalaska(sp?) and that they are not releasing the trailer back to the family just yet. They do have a couple more areas that they want to search but then they will suspend the ground search.

I think that they know more than they are letting on. Otherwise they would go ahead and release the trailer back to the family.

[dan_uk]

found this,wonder if hes got somthing to do with haleigh going missing

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the update, Native. I hope LE is putting the squeeze on Cummings and Croslin.

[lorettalockhorn]

found this,wonder if hes got somthing to do with haleigh going missing

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html

Thanks for the link. Don't see how this guy can't be a person of interest.

Did you notice yet another version of the story?

...Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

[lorettalockhorn]

TES update:

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-update-021509/

Slideshow:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/texasequusearch/sets/72157613848753454/show/

[lorettalockhorn]

A birthday without his big sister: Haleigh Cumming’s little brother turns four

Sunday Haleigh Cumming’s brother, Ronald Cummings, Jr., turns four without his sister by his side. Haleigh disappeared Monday night from her home while her father, Ronald Cummings, was at work and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, was taking care of the children. Search crews have been looking for the little girl for almost a week.

Croslin claimed to have gotten up to use the bathroom at about 3 a.m. and noticed the kitchen light on. She then discovered Haleigh was missing.

Haliegh’s maternal grandmother Marie Griffs and her mother Crystal Sheffield publicly apologized for making accusations that Haleigh’s father and his girlfriend were not being truthful about what they knew. On Saturday, all of them banded together to pray at a vigil for Haleigh...

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d15-A-birthday-without-his-big-sister--Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-turns-four

[Justice Denied?]

Exactly right Justice.

OK. Let's assume that it wasnot a stranger that took Haleigh. It is too big a coincidence that a stranger would pick this trailer in this trailer park at a time when the man of the house was not at home. A stranger would probably have stumbled over something geting in and out of the house and would have no way of even knowing there was a young female inside.

I also do not believe that Ronald and Misty were directly involved. They are being too cooperative and have taken lie detector tests. Ronald, at least, would have sense enough to hire a lawyer and to keep his mouth shut.

Therefore, it has to be someone they know, who has been in this trailer. I feel LE needs to look closer at the young men who were at the trailer that day. JMO, of course.

[lorettalockhorn]

Divided Families Unite for Candlelight Vigil for Haleigh

SATSUMA, FL -- Haleigh Cummings' younger brother will be celebrating a birthday without his sister at his side Sunday, as search crews head back out to look for the little girl who has been missing for nearly a week.

Ronald Cummings Jr. turns four years old on Sunday. Haleigh, 5, vanished from her home sometime after her father's girlfriend put her to bed on the night of February 9.

SEARCH FOR HALEIGH: THE 911 CALL

Saturday night, Haleigh's father and mother came together for the first time to hold a candlelight vigil for their daughter. The two had been holding vigils at their respective camps around the corner from each other...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131366&catid=17

[lorettalockhorn]

OK. Let's assume that it wasnot a stranger that took Haleigh. It is too big a coincidence that a stranger would pick this trailer in this trailer park at a time when the man of the house was not at home. A stranger would probably have stumbled over something geting in and out of the house and would have no way of even knowing there was a young female inside.

I also do not believe that Ronald and Misty were directly involved. They are being too cooperative and have taken lie detector tests. Ronald, at least, would have sense enough to hire a lawyer and to keep his mouth shut.

Therefore, it has to be someone they know, who has been in this trailer. I feel LE needs to look closer at the young men who were at the trailer that day. JMO, of course.

If the stranger didn't have help from anyone inside the trailer, he would have to know where to find the light switch, for instance, so that might indicate having been in the home several times. And would have to have a way to get inside the dead-bolted door.

I just don't believe that the door was locked; either Ronald lied about that or simply doesn't remember, or Misty unlocked it for some reason. To let someone in? Someone who coudln't afford to be seen coming in the front entrance?

I hope LE sits on these two until they get the truth.

LE has said that the families are

[javahog]

Three cheers! I agree 100%. Not all people have the same advantages in life. And let me tell you one thing - the poor and uneducated are capable of giving and receiving just as much love as the richy, rich and often more. And broken hearts aren't reserved for rich people either.

ITA...and "idiot" knows no class, it is a class by itself, and it develops independent of income, race, or education. People with money and education are not immune from doing stupid things, they just cover up better, either through having responsible nannies, good lawyers, what have you.

It should be just as frowned upon for a child to be allowed to run off to "explore" for their "development" as to run off to play, imo...same potential result...

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Focus Shifting From Search To Investigation
Chief Deputy: 'We're Just As Enthusiatic ... As We Were On Day One'

PALATKA, Fla. - After a sixth day of searching for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings turned up "nothing of significance," authorities said they are close to wrapping up the ground operation and on Sunday moved the command center from the neighborhood to the Putnam County emergency operations center...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29213448/

[lorettalockhorn]

Seasoned detectives on case of missing girl
Investigators retrace their steps, double and triple checking

Florida seems to have more than its share of child abduction cases, so when Haleigh Cummings was reported missing from her south Putnam County home early Tuesday, authorities had experienced resources from which to draw as they began searching.

Putnam County sheriff's officials quickly had dogs trying to trace Haleigh's scent. They have repeatedly searched the same areas close to Haleigh's home.

They have not only talked to neighbors but in some cases have gotten permission to search property. And they are working with state officials who have firsthand experience with such cases, such as the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Child Abduction Response Team - known as CART...

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902151004/1005/SPORTS01?Title=Seasoned_detectives_on_case_of_miss ing_girl

[javahog]

OK. Let's assume that it wasnot a stranger that took Haleigh. It is too big a coincidence that a stranger would pick this trailer in this trailer park at a time when the man of the house was not at home. A stranger would probably have stumbled over something geting in and out of the house and would have no way of even knowing there was a young female inside.

I also do not believe that Ronald and Misty were directly involved. They are being too cooperative and have taken lie detector tests. Ronald, at least, would have sense enough to hire a lawyer and to keep his mouth shut.

Therefore, it has to be someone they know, who has been in this trailer. I feel LE needs to look closer at the young men who were at the trailer that day. JMO, of course.

Even if it were someone familiar with the layout, how would they know where to find Hayleigh? They had to be real familiar with sleeping arrangements...and that should narrow it down...

[javahog]

Seasoned detectives on case of missing girl
Investigators retrace their steps, double and triple checking

Florida seems to have more than its share of child abduction cases, so when Haleigh Cummings was reported missing from her south Putnam County home early Tuesday, authorities had experienced resources from which to draw as they began searching.

Putnam County sheriff's officials quickly had dogs trying to trace Haleigh's scent. They have repeatedly searched the same areas close to Haleigh's home.

They have not only talked to neighbors but in some cases have gotten permission to search property. And they are working with state officials who have firsthand experience with such cases, such as the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Child Abduction Response Team - known as CART...

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902151004/1005/SPORTS01?Title=Seasoned_detectives_on_case_of_miss ing_girl

This brought a question to mind...If LE is searching for a missing child and asks to search your property, and you say yes...what if they spot something like a pot plant? I just ask because I wonder if some people would want to help but be afraid to...and if LE turns a blind eye to "minor" crimes in true emergencies like this...

[Justice Denied?]

Even if it were someone familiar with the layout, how would they know where to find Hayleigh? They had to be real familiar with sleeping arrangements...and that should narrow it down...

That is a very good point. I still think they had a lot of nerve to take a child from a room where a grown girl and a child were sleeping. If Haleigh was sleeping on a matress next to the door and Misty and Jr. on one in the corner, that's still close proximity.

[lorettalockhorn]

Even if it were someone familiar with the layout, how would they know where to find Hayleigh? They had to be real familiar with sleeping arrangements...and that should narrow it down...

Um yeah. Especially if musical beds was the norm.

[lorettalockhorn]

My puter wont let me open the link. Is this article referring to Misty's brother?

Guy's name is Chad Reynolds; here ya go:

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender

Police searching for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings were notified about a missing Florida sex offender, but stopped short of calling the man a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Ocala.com reports.

Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Feb. 4.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

Maj. Chris Blair told Ocala.com that the Marion County Sheriff's Office contacted the Putnum County Sheriff's Office about Reynolds.

Authorities said their first concern is Reynolds' safety, but added that he will likely be arrested for failing to report to his probation officer.

Reynolds was released in November and is on 10 years of community supervision, Ocala.com reports.

Haleigh was discovered missing from her Satsuma, Fla. home by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

Police believe the girl was abducted.

Chief Deputy Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Department said in a news conference investigators continue to interview family members, their friends and others. Everyone is considered a potential person of interest.

"We're frustrated, of course, but the No. 1 mission is to find the little girl and return her to her family," he said. "We haven't lost our motivation or our drive."

As a registered sexual predator, Reynolds is required to report to his mother's house everyday, according to Ocala.com.

"We're handling it like any missing and endangered person. We're concerned for his safety because his mother said he hasn't done anything like this before," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Tommy Bibb said.

[lorettalockhorn]

This brought a question to mind...If LE is searching for a missing child and asks to search your property, and you say yes...what if they spot something like a pot plant? I just ask because I wonder if some people would want to help but be afraid to...and if LE turns a blind eye to "minor" crimes in true emergencies like this...

Well, if you looked at Misty's brothers myspace pages, you'll see that marijuana is a recurring thing. I'm thinking that people who dabble in illegal activities probably remove evidence before the knock and talk; knowing surely that it will take place.

And speaking of myspace, Crystal's says that she's 24 years old and is a taurus, but the police report shows her birthdate as August 30, 1989. Which would make her nineteen and a virgo. What's up with that?

[mandi3020]

Well, if you looked at Misty's brothers myspace pages, you'll see that marijuana is a recurring thing. I'm thinking that people who dabble in illegal activities probably remove evidence before the knock and talk; knowing surely that it will take place.

And speaking of myspace, Crystal's says that she's 24 years old and is a taurus, but the police report shows her birthdate as August 30, 1989. Which would make her nineteen and a virgo. What's up with that?

It's not uncommon for people to lie on myspace.

[Lodi]

Even if it were someone familiar with the layout, how would they know where to find Hayleigh? They had to be real familiar with sleeping arrangements...and that should narrow it down...

I can picture a relative or friend coming over on Sunday. They unlock the back door either before or after Ronald leaves for work at 3 pm. This person comes back sometime between 11 pm and 3 am. They enter the house quietly but since they are friendly, they are not afraid of being caught. They turn the kitchen light on without fear ... with the idea that if Misty wakes up, they will just say something that sounds like a reasonable excuse. Such as "hey, I left my crack pipe and came back to get it". But Misty doesn't wake up just as they had hoped for. This person picks Haleigh up from the mattress and leaves quietly

[lorettalockhorn]

It's not uncommon for people to lie on myspace.

LOL So true! And message boards, etc. It just strikes me that people who look at her public page are going to see that there is a "discrepancy" (how's that for nice?) and wonder why she is lying. I was surprised that she had time to log in at all while Haleigh is missing.

[javahog]

It's not uncommon for people to lie on myspace.

Its probably a good idea to lie on myspace. I mean, if people hunt you on the net well enough, they can get enough info to identity theft you...so I can't fault intentional misinformation if that's why its done...doubt it here, though...

[Nawny]

I have a hunch that door was being held open with a cinder block because Misty and her guest were smoking pot. The reason she didn't call 911 was because she was stoned. IMO

[javahog]

I have a hunch that door was being held open with a cinder block because Misty and her guest were smoking pot. The reason she didn't call 911 was because she was stoned. IMO

As a Berkeley alum, I can attest that cracking a door with a cinderblock would not solve the problem...

[lorettalockhorn]

Its probably a good idea to lie on myspace. I mean, if people hunt you on the net well enough, they can get enough info to identity theft you...so I can't fault intentional misinformation if that's why its done...doubt it here, though...

Fo shizzle. ID theft or worse! I just don't "get" myspace or facebook at all unless you have a private setting. It seems completely unwise to put your business and worse, your kids' out where every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Lunatic knows your chit.

[javahog]

I just don't "get" myspace or facebook at all unless you have a private setting. It seems completely unwise to put your business and worse, your kids' out where every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Lunatic knows your chit.

Its madness. I made a page, but there's nothing on it because I can't think of what the world should know about my private life...But I have friends who are addicted, and I've had to warn them about some photos they have up and what kids I know are up to. Every parent should be on there. that's for sure!

[sweetgranny]

Well I watched them all on Geraldo At Large tonight on Fox and I swear that the mother reminded me of Susan Smith. "Bring my baby home. She needs her mama" wa wa wa. Not a tear ws shed...I think she is involved:shrug:

[Nawny]

For seeing the points I have been trying to make. It is not even so much that they are not educated, lots of uneducated people are good parents, it is their lifestyle that is putting their children at risk and now they have a 5 year old missing and how can anyone look past the record that this man has??? Drugs? Assaults? And there is a history of domestic violence between the parents kinda hard to overlook that, these poor kids saw their parents rocking out on each other and that had to have terrified them, I saw many kids after the parents or parent got arrested for DV and they are often hysterical or actually withdrawn like they are used to it, the guys would give them teddy bears or candy, no kid should see mommy and daddy physically or mentally assaulting each other and I speak from experience here.

My second husband is a prime example of how DV can impact someone's life for life. His father was extremely abusive to him and his mother, in fact, Ken had to cut short his military career to come home and care for his mother after the father shot her in the chest, it was a miracle she lived and he harbors deep resentment towards his father and Ken was abusive to me and every woman he has ever been with, like father, like son. He only hit me once and I left him for good when that happened and he is an educated man, just incapable of love or empathy for anyone. He, I think suffers from anti-social behavior, never did have many friends unless they were business associates and it bugged him I did and friends with men? He could not grasp that one, thought for sure I screwed every guy I worked with, he was good for dishing out the mental abuse, and by the third year of marriage, I wanted to leave, I talked him into getting away and while we did have a good time, talked about our relationship, I told him that he had to learn to trust someday and I felt like he was smothering me and he copped an attitude but when I told him I was going to leave him, he did try to be a better person, but IMO the damage to him can not be undone, he will continue to have relationships with women and sooner or later they leave too.

He will never seek help, he thinks he is fine, he married his 5th wife right after our divorce in 1998 and already is divorced again and it is partially not his fault. He saw things he never should have, his father used to beat him and belittle him and it is a wonder he did not go to become a serial killer, instead he went into the Marines which in IMO was not the route he should not have taken, it made him worse than he probably was at 17. SO my question is this? You can sit in judgment of me all you want, I am thick-skinned but how many abused kids have you seen or known? We have no idea how they treat these kids physically or mentally, Ken's father never called him by name, he called him the little b*****d and a loser and a wimp, this man never saw real love, his mother is a nice lady, but she was powerless to stop her husband, years ago, domestic violence was not a crime, in fact she told me she did call the police after he broke her arm and was told "a man has the right to keep his wife in line" Can you see why Ken is so broken? Kids that are exposed to violence have a tendency to continue the cycle, kids emulate their parents.

I remember a little 6 year old boy brought cocaine to school to sell it, because that is what Daddy did, Can you imagine? My mother was abusive and one reason I never had children, I was afraid I would be like her, and we were upper middle class, mommy dearest made sure appearances were kept up, we looked like the Cleaver's from the outside, inside we were anything but. SO I do know how it feels to feel unloved and wonder what I am doing wrong and the worst part of this I got a daily dose of how I was a "chosen child" I never bonded with her and a lot of adopted kids go through this. I think that I suffer from attachment disorder even though I have never been diagnosed. And my adoptive father did nothing to stop her, he did not hit me often though, I think it bothered him, her never. I got beat for not putting the cap on the toothpaste right. I got beat because my brother had a seizure. I got beat because I did not want to go to piano lessons. She had these grandiose ideas in her head for me and they were unrealistic. She never wanted me to just be a kid.

She wanted me to be Miss New Jersey, I hated getting all dressed up, she had me taking ballet class, everything I was not and when she could not mold me into what she perceived, then she did not want me and she resented me and even at a young age I felt that every day. Kids can feel even as an infant whether they feel the love and I never did and I can't tell you how good it felt when I found my biological family, they accept me for me and I feel the love now, it only took me 46 years. So my point is I feel these kids were not being cared for properly, were in a tug-of-war between them, Daddy sticks a girl he barely knows to fill the Mommy shoes, Mommy only sees them every other weekend and it is obvious why she does not have custody, if a police officer had believed me when I told him I was being abused, I would have left home a lot sooner and his response? "Your parents have the right to punish you" "I have known your parents for years, they are good people and you are a bad child for lying" And you know of course he could not wait to tell them what I said and I got beat for that. So I know what a bad parent is and like I said I was raised upper middle class.

May I tell you that you are brave and I'm inspired by your story. Write the book hun. People need to know how you survived all that.
Be blessed and stay strong

[One2Snoop]

Well I watched them all on Geraldo At Large tonight on Fox and I swear that the mother reminded me of Susan Smith. "Bring my baby home. She needs her mama" wa wa wa. Not a tear ws shed...I think she is involved:shrug:


Same thoughts ran thru my mind sweetgranny. It's definitely someone who knows the family and the layout of that home.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well I watched them all on Geraldo At Large tonight on Fox and I swear that the mother reminded me of Susan Smith. "Bring my baby home. She needs her mama" wa wa wa. Not a tear ws shed...I think she is involved:shrug:

I'll watch the repeat later. Thanks for the heads up! :seeya:

[Nawny]

As a Berkeley alum, I can attest that cracking a door with a cinderblock would not solve the problem...

LOL!! Thank you jav. What do I know, I'm just an old fart, never got to college. I never smoked funny cigs either. I smoke the regular kind. They don't make anyone happy happy. ;)

[One2Snoop]

Should we ask DW to set up a seperate forum for Haleigh (like the Casey Anthony forum)? I can put in the request but won't have time to do much with it until Wednesday.

[Native Alien]

Well I watched them all on Geraldo At Large tonight on Fox and I swear that the mother reminded me of Susan Smith. "Bring my baby home. She needs her mama" wa wa wa. Not a tear ws shed...I think she is involved:shrug:

The biological mother has been treated twice for dehydration so that could answer why you saw no tears. As someone that has suffered a traumatic loss I can tell you that there comes a time when you just don't have any more tears.

Crystal's true age now is 23 and there were several typos on the police report or they were given the wrong information by either Ronald or Misti. Like Haleigh is listed as a male.

[Native Alien]

Same thoughts ran thru my mind sweetgranny. It's definitely someone who knows the family and the layout of that home.

I still think that they need to really look at Daddy and the girlfriend.

[lorettalockhorn]

Court file of the findings (explanation) of the judge, adjudicating children's paternity(s), child support, etc. and filing of a request for rehearing by Crystal:

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[Native Alien]

There was also a contempt of court filing done on Tuesday morning after Haleigh went missing. I just can't get it to come up to get a link to it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Has anyone seen a transcript of the entire unedited 911 calls?

What's up with this? I thought Cummings locked the door. Is this bad reporting, or did Misty use the door and lock it?

Croslin called 911 and said the rear door to Cummings' manufactured home had been propped open. She said she locked it before putting Haleigh and her little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., to bed.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021509/news_0215009_043.shtml

I'm still curious about him saying that he locked the door anyway; he said that he didn't know anything about the cinder block, but it was reported that there's a pile of them in the back yard. He said he only uses the back yard to wash his car. Did he wash his car that day?

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty's cousin who molested her and her cousin and who is a registered sex offender recently visited and stole a gun from Ronald? Yikes.

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting commentary

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

[One2Snoop]

Misty's cousin who molested her and her cousin and who is a registered sex offender recently visited and stole a gun from Ronald? Yikes.

WTH? :eek: Where did you read that?

[lorettalockhorn]

WTH? :eek: Where did you read that?

Sorry, that's the second time today that I haven't finished my thought/post. It was reported on Geraldo by Brother Craig. Crystal and Marie didn't bat an eye.

[lorettalockhorn]

There was also a contempt of court filing done on Tuesday morning after Haleigh went missing. I just can't get it to come up to get a link to it.

I found that mentioned at Steve Huff's or somewhere, but he says there isn't a record online (yet). I looked in the Putnam County records but didn't find it.

[Native Alien]

WTH? :eek: Where did you read that?

His name is Donald Lee Sapp and he lives a very short distance from the trailer that Haleigh was living in. Do a search on him on the florida sex offender site.

[lorettalockhorn]

This site is easy to use too:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp

Sapp is the TN cousin?

[lorettalockhorn]

His name is Donald Lee Sapp and he lives a very short distance from the trailer that Haleigh was living in. Do a search on him on the florida sex offender site.

UGH He recently moved even closer to the Cummings' place than he was before. What a coincidence that a sex offender who is kin to the victim's babysitter lives so nearby.

[Native Alien]

This site is easy to use too:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp

Sapp is the TN cousin?

Watchdog doesn't have his updated address.

I don't know if he is the one that the reporter was asking about or not.

I just can't help feeling that LE knows more than they are saying.

[dan_uk]

why do the kids live their dad and not their mum?

[RaVeN71806]

Families of missing know the fear, pain

Relatives remember the agony that Haleigh Cummings' family faces now, and how to deal with it.

Never give up hope.

Pray, pray ... and pray some more.

Plaster fliers all over.

Utilize the media.

Almost as a chorus of one, this is what families in high-profile missing-persons cases on the First Coast offer as they intently watch the story of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. It's been nearly a week since she disappeared from her Putnam County home.

Sheila Clifton Delongis understands the devastating worry of not knowing where a child is for several days. Her daughter, Maddie Clifton, was 8 when she didn't come home from playing outside in her Jacksonville neighborhood in November 1998. She was found a week later stuffed beneath the water bed of her neighbor, 14-year-old Joshua Phillips. He is serving a life sentence in prison.

"Keep up the hope - never let that hope die," she said. "That's what kept me going. You will have plenty of time to grieve, so let's just hope and pray they find her."

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-02-16/story/families_of_missing_know_the_fear_pain

[RaVeN71806]

Oh Lordy-not good. For some reason i thought it was her brother not a cousin. Has it been clarified as to whom the family members were visiting thru the day?

I didn't see this either about the cousin....:eek:

[RaVeN71806]

Searchers put on standby
Officials shift focus after weeklong search for missing girl

SATSUMA -- Today is the last time massive law enforcement search crews will comb the area looking for missing Haleigh Cummings, wrapping up a week of roughly 500 dead-end leads, said Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

Chief Rick Ryan, of Putnam Sheriff's Office, said Sunday that search crews will be on standby after today and will work out of the Putnam County Emergency Operations Center. There are two more areas law enforcement, including the FBI, will search today, but Ryan would not give further details.

Haleigh, 5, vanished from her home in Satsuma sometime after her father's girlfriend put her to bed the night of Feb. 9.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021609/news_021609_001.shtml

[dan_uk]

'Items of Interest' Lead to Dead End in Search for Missing Florida Girl


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Watchdog doesn't have his updated address.

I don't know if he is the one that the reporter was asking about or not.

I just can't help feeling that LE knows more than they are saying.

I also found Sapp at http://nsopw.gov/Core/Conditions.aspx and http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/Search.jsp

[lorettalockhorn]

why do the kids live their dad and not their mum?

Links to the court proceedings re: paternity and custody have been posted.

[javahog]

UGH He recently moved even closer to the Cummings' place than he was before. What a coincidence that a sex offender who is kin to the victim's babysitter lives so nearby.

Uggh is right. I wonder how many molester friends he has, how many he's talked to about family details. If not him then someone he knows? Someone familiar with the area would be able to hide her well, too, if they took the time. Look how long it was until Laci and Connor surfaced. This won't end well. I hope they find her.

I could never work in LE the way they have to schlog through the sewers. Metaphorically as well as literally.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh Lordy-not good. For some reason i thought it was her brother not a cousin. Has it been clarified as to whom the family members were visiting thru the day?

I believe it was a brother and nephews, but don't know if it was her brother Tim or the other brother (whose name I can't remember).

ETA: Other brother is Tommy. Tommy is the brother with sons, his myspace page shows that he lives in Daytona Beach. But so does Misty's IIRC.

[Native Alien]

This site is easy to use too:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp

Sapp is the TN cousin?

From another website they are saying that he is not actually related to Misti.

[lorettalockhorn]

From another website they are saying that he is not actually related to Misti.

Where did Sapp's name come from to begin with? I've read on another site that the cousin is Jeremy Miller and someone posted that Misty's mother Lisa had filed suit against him on Misty's behalf. But he's incarcerated, so it's not likely that he recently visited.

[lorettalockhorn]

New Area Searched For Haleigh Cummings

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The search for a missing 5-year-old girl was scaled back Monday, but crews are also focusing on a new area. Dozens of deputies are now searching through thick, heavy brush looking for Haleigh Cummings.

Sixty-one deputies were conducting a grid search Monday in a wooded area just a few miles from Haleigh Cumming's home in Satsuma. Deputies think the 5-year-old was taken from her bedroom last Tuesday and there's still no sign of her this afternoon.

Monday morning, nothing was found in the new search area. Deputies and police from several agencies across the area took a break around noon, but planned to continue searching for clues later in the afternoon...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18722504/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Search Effort For Haleigh Winds Down
Investigation Turns To Following Hundreds Of Leads

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Some major changes were announced on Monday in the search for a missing Putnam County girl.

The ground search for Haleigh Cummings, 5, will come to an end after searchers discovered little to help them find the missing girl.

But authorities said they're not giving up hope that they'll find Haleigh.

Deputies said they'll search two more areas before wrapping up the search effort, and they'll continue to follow hundreds of leads they've received over the past week...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18722551/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

OT:

Fire Burns Home Where Jessica Lunsford Died
Officials Call Trailer 'Total Loss'

POSTED: Monday, February 16, 2009
UPDATED: 10:06 am EST February 16, 2009

HOMOSASSA, Fla. -- The mobile home where a repeat sex offender raped and murdered a 9-year-old Florida girl in 2005 has burned down, officials said.

Citrus County officials said Monday that the fire was suspicious. John Evander Couey's former trailer was vacant when the fire started Sunday night, but officials said it's a "total loss" because of extensive damage.

The fire investigation was turned over to the Florida State Fire Marshal's Office.

Couey told investigators he kept Jessica in a closet for several days before burying her alive in a shallow grave outside the trailer. Jessica had been abducted from her home nearby.

Couey was convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18722656/detail.html

[old_soul]

Hi guys, how sad for this little one.

I daresay, she never had a chance in life. STL fan might have been offended by Wind's post and summation of the family, but truth is, if they weren't living the life they are, things might have been different. I have been exposed to these types of families, after moving from the city to a rural area when I had no say about it.

As an 11 year old child I was shocked by the backwards lives these people led. The children bring themselves up, there is no parental guidance. Education is low on the totum pole, having their weed and cigarettes comes first, everything else follows. I have called them derelicts, and I have called them twits because, mind you, these folks are not piss poor, ok. It is their lifestyle choice. You can be brought up like that and aspire to be different, better than what you come from.....or else just remain so wrapped up in themselves and what is important to them, that the children and their lives remain secondary. I vowed to get the hell out when I was able to, and that's what I did. Being pregnant at 15 or 16 was a way of life to these people ~ and so the cycle continued.

Help me out here ~ I have never seen a trailer or mobile home with a back door in a bedroom. Off a hallway, off a kitchen, out past the laundry room, like Haleigh's seems to be, but not in a bedroom.


BRB

[lorettalockhorn]

Search continues for missing girl, volunteers pull out

Volunteers are not joining Putnam County deputies this morning in the search efforts for the missing 5-year-old girl. More than 200 volunteers, including many from Texas EquuSearch, had helped sheriff's deputies search the Satsuma area for Haleigh Cummings since Friday.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

[fsbiii]

Investigators search
heavily wooded area for
missing girl

SATSUMA, Fla. - Search teams with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office are searching deep in the woods in a secluded area of Satsuma for any sign of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.


Nearly 60 vehicles associated with the search are at the location. The exact location has been kept private. The SWAT Team and a mounted patrol are also assisting in the search for the girl.


Texas based Equusearch has pulled out of the search for Haleigh, after volunteers planned to back their bags Monday evening.


Investigators say they are optimistic that they will find Haleigh alive, and they are frustrated that their searches so far have not turned up anything.


Ground teams will be called off after checking two different areas on Monday. Crews will remain on stand-by if they are needed.


Investigators say they have receieved more than 500 tips related to the case.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021609Investigators_search_heavily_wooded_area_for _missing_girl


http://media2.myfoxorlando.com//photo/2009/02/16/1_20090216114221949_320_240.JPG

[Nawny]

Oh Lordy-not good. For some reason i thought it was her brother not a cousin. Has it been clarified as to whom the family members were visiting thru the day?

When I rerun the father's meltdown on the news that day I'm wondering if he had a clue. ?? Maybe when he was threatening to take the "garbage out" he had an idea who that was? Hmmm, maybe not. Anybody?

[Nawny]

The biological mother has been treated twice for dehydration so that could answer why you saw no tears. As someone that has suffered a traumatic loss I can tell you that there comes a time when you just don't have any more tears.Crystal's true age now is 23 and there were several typos on the police report or they were given the wrong information by either Ronald or Misti. Like Haleigh is listed as a male.

So right NA.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi guys, how sad for this little one.

I daresay, she never had a chance in life. STL fan might have been offended by Wind's post and summation of the family, but truth is, if they weren't living the life they are, things might have been different. I have been exposed to these types of families, after moving from the city to a rural area when I had no say about it.

As an 11 year old child I was shocked by the backwards lives these people led. The children bring themselves up, there is no parental guidance. Education is low on the totum pole, having their weed and cigarettes comes first, everything else follows. I have called them derelicts, and I have called them twits because, mind you, these folks are not piss poor, ok. It is their lifestyle choice. You can be brought up like that and aspire to be different, better than what you come from.....or else just remain so wrapped up in themselves and what is important to them, that the children and their lives remain secondary. I vowed to get the hell out when I was able to, and that's what I did. Being pregnant at 15 or 16 was a way of life to these people ~ and so the cycle continued.

Help me out here ~ I have never seen a trailer or mobile home with a back door in a bedroom. Off a hallway, off a kitchen, out past the laundry room, like Haleigh's seems to be, but not in a bedroom.


BRB

Great post! I don't think it's Cummings' income or that the family lives in a trailor (according to the county appraiser's website, 50% of Putnam County lives in trailers), it's the lack of education, lack of common sense and the choices that Cummings has made that put this child at risk. Maybe it's perfectly acceptable for in Putnam County for Cummings to have twice chosen minors to be his lover, but it's not acceptable for many people who are on the outside looking in and wonder why he isn't a registered sex offender himself. Many of us, professionals or not, could have sat down with Cummings and offered alternatives to this situation of having a virtual child looking after his little ones.

Your use of the word cycle is important here; Haleigh lived in a home where it appears that education, respect for the law, and respect for women were low priority. Hell, keeping up with the last names of the nuclear family practically requires a notebook. Out of wedlock children seem to be nothing to bat an eye at; Haleigh's family seems to be more underclass than low class.

And just want to add that I pay $13.00/month for my alarm system to be monitored. That's three packs of cigarettes folks.

[Native Alien]

Where did Sapp's name come from to begin with? I've read on another site that the cousin is Jeremy Miller and someone posted that Misty's mother Lisa had filed suit against him on Misty's behalf. But he's incarcerated, so it's not likely that he recently visited.

Misti's brother has a wife that is a Sapp, and when this Sapp showed up so close, someone just thought that they might be connected.

[Native Alien]

Hi guys, how sad for this little one.

Help me out here ~ I have never seen a trailer or mobile home with a back door in a bedroom. Off a hallway, off a kitchen, out past the laundry room, like Haleigh's seems to be, but not in a bedroom.


BRB

It isn't off the bedroom, that is what we were talking about. At first it looks like it was but when you look at the floor plan you can see it off the laundry room.

[Nawny]

Great post! I don't think it's Cummings' income or that the family lives in a trailor (according to the county appraiser's website, 50% of Putnam County lives in trailers), it's the lack of education, lack of common sense and the choices that Cummings has made that put this child at risk. Maybe it's perfectly acceptable for in Putnam County for Cummings to have twice chosen minors to be his lover, but it's not acceptable for many people who are on the outside looking in and wonder why he isn't a registered sex offender himself. Many of us, professionals or not, could have sat down with Cummings and offered alternatives to this situation of having a virtual child looking after his little ones.

Your use of the word cycle is important here; Haleigh lived in a home where it appears that education, respect for the law, and respect for women were low priority. Hell, keeping up with the last names of the nuclear family practically requires a notebook. Out of wedlock children seem to be nothing to bat an eye at; Haleigh's family seems to be more underclass than low class.

And just want to add that I pay $13.00/month for my alarm system to be monitored. That's three packs of cigarettes folks.


Both posts are good. I can't figure out how to double up posts --then reply. But, ITA with you both.

I lived in Bridgeport Ct. for a few years in a run down part of town. THe crime rate was high and it was, well,,, down right dangerous to live there. My 4 kids were all born there. I went no where without them. How simple is that?
I was a teenage mother when I started, but, ah, um, how simple is that??

[old_soul]

Great post! I don't think it's Cummings' income or that the family lives in a trailor (according to the county appraiser's website, 50% of Putnam County lives in trailers), it's the lack of education, lack of common sense and the choices that Cummings has made that put this child at risk. Maybe it's perfectly acceptable for in Putnam County for Cummings to have twice chosen minors to be his lover, but it's not acceptable for many people who are on the outside looking in and wonder why he isn't a registered sex offender himself. Many of us, professionals or not, could have sat down with Cummings and offered alternatives to this situation of having a virtual child looking after his little ones.

Your use of the word cycle is important here; Haleigh lived in a home where it appears that education, respect for the law, and respect for women were low priority. Hell, keeping up with the last names of the nuclear family practically requires a notebook. Out of wedlock children seem to be nothing to bat an eye at; Haleigh's family seems to be more underclass than low class.

And just want to add that I pay $13.00/month for my alarm system to be monitored. That's three packs of cigarettes folks.

We are in total agreement here, m'dear. So while we know the lifestyle they led, this leads me to believe that someone who had been there before, perhaps even earlier, is the one who took her. I'd bet they were hanging out smoking a couple of joints, fell out (asleep) and didn't lock that door. And the perp knew it because it wouldn't have been the first time they hung out when dad wasn't home. BTW, molestation is another common thing in these type of people. Generalizing here, but from what I have seen, it's true.

The thing is............is she still alive? If it was just for molestation, this person might have gotten rid of Haleigh because of all the attention.

Hope you are all feeling better......Loretta, how's your back?

[Native Alien]

Both posts are good. I can't figure out how to double up posts --then reply. But, ITA with you both.

I lived in Bridgeport Ct. for a few years in a run down part of town. THe crime rate was high and it was, well,,, down right dangerous to live there. My 4 kids were all born there. I went no where without them. How simple is that?
I was a teenage mother when I started, but, ah, um, how simple is that??

I wasn't exactly a teenage mother but I was a single mother and like you, the only place that I went without my two was work. Even when at work, they were safe with my family.

They grew up in a then very rural section of central Florida and I can tell you that the little town over from us had less people in it than Satsuma and it was much the same way. It nearly took a notebook to keep track of who was what to whom.

[Lodi]

Both posts are good. I can't figure out how to double up posts --then reply. But, ITA with you both.

I lived in Bridgeport Ct. for a few years in a run down part of town. THe crime rate was high and it was, well,,, down right dangerous to live there. My 4 kids were all born there. I went no where without them. How simple is that?
I was a teenage mother when I started, but, ah, um, how simple is that??

To quote more than one post, click on the button with the quotation mark on each post. (at bottom right of each post) Each one will turn red. Then click on Post Reply and type your message.

[lorettalockhorn]

We are in total agreement here, m'dear. So while we know the lifestyle they led, this leads me to believe that someone who had been there before, perhaps even earlier, is the one who took her. I'd bet they were hanging out smoking a couple of joints, fell out (asleep) and didn't lock that door. And the perp knew it because it wouldn't have been the first time they hung out when dad wasn't home. BTW, molestation is another common thing in these type of people. Generalizing here, but from what I have seen, it's true.

The thing is............is she still alive? If it was just for molestation, this person might have gotten rid of Haleigh because of all the attention.

Hope you are all feeling better......Loretta, how's your back?

Back is better, thanks! Spent the weekend taking ibuprphen and the occasional painkiller. And TADA! I bent over yesterday!

The news today mentioned that SWAT teams were joining in the search. Should that be particularly significant? Is LE expecting to run into a situation where SWAT's particular skills would be called for?

[Amy]

Seems to be a pretty rough bunch. Lots of foul language to have so many tots around.

PS Girlfriend not looking at the people when she talks.....sometimes a sign...not telling the truth. JMO Heard this from Susan Smith
---she often didnt look at the people or detectives when she told her story about what happened to her boys.

I haven't been following the news much this past week. I have seen a few pic of the g/f, but not an interview to see how she acts. I do remember the very first time I saw Susan Smith, I knew SHE wasn't telling the truth--what got me was her eyes were either fluttering or shut.

(Been "gone" for some days, my dsl box broke, so have some catching up to do on the posts.)

[Amy]

Bio Mom did the same thing when NG asked her why Haleigh was missing school. Who doesn't know whether her child has been sick?

Especially a mom who obviously has been informed (by whom?) that the ex might be going to jail if the girl misses much more school. Wouldn't a mom be ASKING the dad or grandmother why the girl misses school? Would she not be able to talk to the teacher or principal or counselor @ her daughter's school? Just because she doesn't have physical custody doesn't mean that she can't have contact w/the educators.

[Amy]

So Loretta, are we thinking bio mom is fullof chit for making that statement? (he was facing jail etc) She has been making these snide remarks throughout NG grilling her, but can't answer chit about her baby. A real loving mom, huh?
As you can tell, that part is really bothering me.

That SOB was watching Jessica, someone seems to have been watching Haleigh. When you know she's left by herself a lot instead of being watched........maybe someone who lives close by and has been in the home?

Oh, another thing...how can the mother say HE told her there was a dead bolt (ha) on the back door. Did the dad tell anyone/LE that? I highly doubt there was one on the fricken door, considering they lived like........never mind.

The dad is the one who first talked about the deadbolt on the door, I think in the first interview (or one of the very first ones.)

[Amy]

Mobile homes are death traps here in Tornado Alley! I wondered about the front door; what kind of lock does it have. The perp could have come in one door and out the other. I think the point about the forced entry was due to the fact that Mistie didn't hear anything and you would expect her to have better hearing perhaps than the sleeping Lunsford grandparents (for example). I find it strange that a seventeen year old is up to tinkle after being asleep only five hours. I'm 55 and can sleep through the night. (Do your Kegels people!)

She's just a teenager, and from my experience with them, once they go to sleep, it's can be pretty darn hard to wake some of them up. And, if there is "extra" activity like, a few beers or other liquor, or smokin' some Lefty Luckies or taking some other substance, it would be even MORE difficult to awaken some of them. Of course, if one was THAT deep asleep, you would kind of wonder how the urge to go to the bathroom would awaken them, either. I guess, if she took in a lot of fluids (or some fluids do tend to "go thru" faster than others) she might need to wake up in 5 hours.

But, after all that, and having only watched the first part of the drama and just now reading posts for the last couple of days, som'ting not quite right here.

[Amy]

Yea, the term "sex offender" covers a very large group of people who have commited different types of crimes.

I was surprised to find out there were different types of crime. I used to think "sex offender" had to be someone who fondled or raped people. Come to find out, @ least in some places, the offense could be just someone (usually a fellow) who is relieving himself in a public place--even if it seems to be secluded, and he is thinking no one is around.

[Amy]

Did the search dogs hit on anything or go any particular direction - does anyone know?

Also, if she's only 17 and has been there several months - is this allowed in Florida?? He's way older than she is, seems like statutory rape at least? That could explain some of the strangeness I sense from this guy, maybe he just doesn't want to get into trouble on that front while his daughter has honestly been taken.

I read a comment section in one of the papers online and someone said he has been known to 'prey' on young girls to take care of his children.

Don't know...just something with them both doesn't seem right to me.

I don't know about FL, but in some states "age of consent" is actually 16. And, I know of LOTS of girls (because they come to the hospital where I work to have their babies @ age 15, 16) who would come under the statutory rape law, but it doesn't seem to be enforced. I KNOW they are reported, because, if the doctor's office HASN'T, it is automatic that they are reported by the hospital. Some of them are pregnant by equally young boys, but some by 19 y/o, 20 y/o, even older guys. You don't see any cases reported in the papers (about someone being accused of or found guilty of statutory rape.) I'm guessing (because I haven't looked into it) that the girls' parents must not have a problem with the guy? Even if the state doesn't automatically charge these guys, the girls' parents certainly could.

So, it might be a case of--is it okay with the underage girls' parents? And, if they don't have a problem, the state won't proceed w/charges?

[Amy]

Three feet tall and 39 pounds seems very short to me. Wonder if her size had something to do with the allegation that she frequently missed school.

It seemed like the size of Haleigh was guesswork--unless she was measured in school, or had been to a doctor in the recent past. The g/f tho't she weighed 40 to 60 pounds which is quite a span. From the sounds of things, I'm not sure bio mom probably has a better hold on her size.

[Amy]

The mother said the father told her if the child missed any more school he would be arrested. What does that mean, can you get in trouble for your child having crappy attendance in school? I mean if you have doctors notes to back it up it does not make sense to me. Was he just telling her that so he could make her skip a visit or has he kept her out of school and can't prove she is sick and the state or district thinks he is contributing to some kind of truancy. Also the story the mother told about why she lost custody of the child seemed sketchy at best. There is something she is not telling. I have never heard that if you don't return a child after a visit as she said he did that the state would just let you keep them like that. I would think the father would be in trouble for doing that. She was very hesitant in some of her answers and I am not of course saying the mother knows anything about her abduction, I just think the story of why he has custody did not come out on NG.

There are some places that, even WITH doctor's notes, if you miss so many days a semester, you are "held back" (but the parent is not in jail.) I have also read in some places that TEENAGE truancy--KNOWN truancy COULD result in the parent being jailed.

I think, if you don't return a child after a visit, that the other parent could go to court to get visitation changed. I don't think "the state" has anything to do with custody and visitation EXCEPT THRU THE FAMILY COURTS. But, that's just my opinion after watching a lot of judge shows that deal with custody issues. Maybe the dad told her that, and she just didn't have the knowledge or the desire or the time to look into it? Or, maybe she is guillable and just figured he was telling the truth (that doesn't seem too likely, since there seems to be some level of animosity.)

[Amy]

On the door lock:

This is from the transcript at the above link on GVS:

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, let me ask you the same question. What's your theory tonight? And I realize this is a very fluid situation, but what's your -- what do you think is the trail we should go down to look for this child? What do you think happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I know because I specifically locked those doors before I left for work, and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way. And I know it was locked all the way. I checked it myself. And she does not open the door for strangers or wander alone in the dark, nothing like that. So somebody broke into my home and stole my child.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure.

As to the girlfriend, first of all if it was a brick that is one thing, but it was a concrete block, commonly referred to as a cinderblock. I would think that living in the state of Florida she would know the difference. Secondly, I don't know how she could have slept thru someone entering the house with the noise that they would have made breaking in that door.

The mother said that the 1st court notice for the custody hearing went to a wrong address. They held that against her when it came to the second hearing.

Kindergarden here in Ohio is a half day, in some places only 3 hours long. So it could have been earlier than 3:45 when he got the little girl off the bus.

Was the door broken, was the lock broken? No So, WHERE was the crowbar used, on WHAT, if not the door nor the lock? And then, we get back to if a crowbar was used to gain entry, there would have been NOISE that surely the g/f could not have slept thru.

[Amy]

Equusearch teams will begin search

SATSUMA, Fla. - Equusearch volunteers will begin their first search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings this morning. A command center has been set up at 194 E. Buffalo Bluff Road for volunteers to gather and get information.

Members from the KidFinders Network are also set up to help in the search for the missing girl. They have set up a Web site, HelpFindHaleigh.com to ask for donations to help in the search.

Detectives with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office have entered the fifth day in the search for missing Haleigh. Sheriff Jeff Hardy said they plan to bring in more aviation assets, dive teams, boats and ground crews. They also have a fresh team going back to the house, tracing any steps they can find.

Hardy says right now they don't have any suspects. He would not confirm if either of the girls parent's vehicles had been tested for evidence...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021309Equusearch_teams_will_begin_search_for_Halei gh

I'm sorry, this just struck my funny bone. To help in the search brings to mind people out with the search teams Well, I guess setting up a website to ask for donations can be helpful, but it certainly isn't "helping in the search."

[Amy]

In the video she mentioned a white van that they took. Who took? She was speaking fast at the time and I didn't understand. I noticed that she raised her eyebrows when she answered some of the questions. I think that is one sign of lying. jmo I don't understand how Misty wouldn't hear anything. She doesn't seem to be hearing impaired.

I also think the person that took Haleigh would have to be someone in the area that knows her or sees where she lives, or someone that has been in the home. They should also check with the father's co workers. jmo

I don't know about other videos, but there were tears in this one. The van that "they" took---who is "they?"

[wind149]

Thank you old soul for those words, I called it on these people and I have not been wrong have I? Especially with records this trash has and why does it not surprise me to find out that they actually know and associate with sex offenders and one is believed to be kin to Misty and I said they would not be smart enough to find that out, people like this think that their buddies who are SO's would never touch their kids and I get disgusted with my goddaughter's husband who also is not very bright, my brother-in-law went to their house one day and found both of his young granddaughters alone because Daddy went down the road to look at a transmission, the girls were 5 and 7 and there are several SO's in that area of town, kinda like hillbilly heaven and one he recognized as being on the registry because he actually looked up the registry when he noticed one day some guy paying way too much attention to one of the girls and when he said something to Daddy, he proceeds to tell him, "OH he's OK, he won't touch the girls" and Butch looks him up and he is a Class 3 offender the worst of the worst and told that moron that he is a SO and Daddy acted like it was no big deal, I worry constantly about those girls because Daddy is an idiot and my goddaughter at times does not pay attention to much either, they would not win parents of the years let's out that way.

And I gotta go with the flow, Mommy was barely crying last night, I too saw them on Geraldo and ya notice she does not talk much even when people ask her direct questions like when he asked if she could say something to the person or persons that might have the kid, she had to think about that one for a minute, thought process took a few there and I saw no tears, I would still be freaking out. And Misty wasn't all teared up either. I still hold her suspect especially if she has brought a known SO into their home, but, hell, Daddy might have too. I am positive it is someone that either scoped out the place, when Daddy went to work etc, or he has been in the home and saw where all the doors are. If Misty's kin came to visit, he might have went outside and observed the cinder blocks and thought, that is how I can get to the kid. As more days go by, I think she is dead, I hope I am wrong, but already LE is scaling down the searches ,you can only do it for so long, overtime and extra manpower can cost a lot, and I am convinced she is not in that area, whoever took her, God knows, FL is a swamp, you could hide a jetliner in that underbrush and not find it.

[Amy]

There are so many things wrong with this story. First of all, the father's girlfriend is 17?? Is that legal in Florida or something? Next, it mentioned they live in a mobile home and all sleep in the same room. The girlfriend, father, and 2 children. Correct? I thought I read 2 children. But anyways, the girlfriend gets home to go to the bathroom and her boyfriend comes home. Don't mobile homes have 1 door? Sure, windows, but not big enough for someone to get through, especially without anyone hearing them! And if she was taken, or walked out of the front door, she would've had to pass her father and his girlfriend.

In my opinion, I think the girlfriend did something. At 17 years old, she is still very irresponsible and I think she took that little girl somewhere, or did something to her so she wouldn't have to put up with it anymore. At 17, I highly doubt she wanted to be "mommy."

Dating for 4-6 months and fully trusting your children with someone was his mistake. When I have children, they won't be left with anyone except people like family, or friends, who I know I can trust because I've known them for awhile. 4-6 months?!

It could very well be that while the dad is @ work, the girl sleeps in the same room w/the kids, and gets up and goes into another bedroom when the dad gets home. That's not unheard of.

The girlfriend wasn't "coming home" (@ least, I haven't heard that version) she was IN the home, and got out of bed to go to the bathroom. @ least that was one version. All versions were consistant tho, that she was IN the home when Haleigh disappeared.

I don't know how long the dad and girlfriend knew each other and in what capacity before they started dating 4-6 months ago, or even how long she had lived with him. I do know of people who moved in w/each other after the first date or so--sometimes having just met. Some even get married w/just knowing each other a few months (and I know this isn't unique to my area, just from reading message boards and watching Judge Judy.) Not all of the relationships last forever, but some have lasted for a long time.

I'm not saying that I think it's a great situation for a 17 y/o girl to live w/her 24 (or whatever age he is) boyfriend but it certainly is not a UNIQUE situation. Maybe some of you (and this is a general you) do not KNOW people in this type of relationship, I'd bet there are some in your area.

[Amy]

I didn't know that there is a difference, but I do know that some look much nicer and better constructed than others. We should realize that there are at least two doors, since there is reference to the back door.

In the interview I just watched (posted on the 12th) Misti saw the kitchen light on, and when she went to look, saw the back door open. I don't know the size of the home, but all that I have seen, the "front" door opens into the front room which is open to the dining/kitchen area, and the "back" door is @ the other end of the home. I haven't looked @ any recently, so I guess the designs could have changed.

[Amy]

They apparantly had 2 vehicles. Don't have any idea who drove what. I'm assuming "they" are LE who took the van.

In the interview, Misti is saying there were 2 blankets, but one was in the van "they" took, and she had to wash the one that Haleigh had pee'd on. That indicates to me that someone took the van PRIOR to Haleigh going to bed @ 8 that night, otherwise, Misti could have walked out to the van and gotten the blanket. It would take less effort on her part to get the blanket from the van than to deal with laundry that late in the day. IMO

[Amy]

I don't think it's all that strange that Crystal doesn't know Misty all that well. Most exes don't know the current girlfriend all that well.

Especially when she lives in another state. And, if she is about the same age as Ronald, it's not like Misti would have been in her group of friends when she DID live there.

[Amy]

Maybe LE or family services will be at some point. It's illegal according to the information that I found. Mistie's parents don't seem to give a rat's arse about the statutory rape. Maybe Ronald and Mistie are celibate. :shrug:

I can guarandamntee you, if I was the mother of these children, I would be doing my best to put a stop to a crime being committed 24/7 in the house where my minor children live. And I still wonder who buys cigarettes for the girl.

Do you have details on the family services involvement or a link? Guess I missed that.

I think LE, courts, family services, etc must view the statutory rape law like some view the ones like, you can't walk on the left side of the street in Vermont on Sunday type of law. Cuz I sure don't see much evidence ANYWHERE about statutory rape being charged and men (or women) being convicted of it. Heck, it seems pretty darn difficult for TEACHERS being convicted of it, @ least the ones that have been in the news. I don't live in any backwater town, but there ARE girls under the age of 18 living with or dating and having sex and babies with men in their 20's. I guess if the girls' parents had a problem w/it, the guy could be charged, so I guess it must be that the parents have no problem, so the courts and family services have no problem with it. And I KNOW family services ARE advised--because it is A REPORTABLE INCIDENT in the state of Kansas. If the girls we get have had prenatal care, it is on their papers that social services has been advised of any girl under the age 16 (@ the time of conception) presenting for prenatal care. And there is an automatic notification on our admission forms.

[Amy]

The talking head on NG tonight said that a footprint was found by the dog team; I wonder if he meant that literally. Was Haleigh barefoot when the print was made? I also wonder if the perp walked her to the water. Maybe not strong enough to carry her.

The problem I would see w/the footprint is that, when was it made? If the family went even once a week or once a month to the river, it could have been left @ any time. Or, was it in an area where the kids might be playing? I haven't seen/heard EXACTLY where this print was--next to the river? On the way? Closer to the house?

[Amy]

NA, thanks for the link to the Turner Syndrome site, noticed that kidney problems are one effect of TS; that could explain the bedwetting incident. I entered Haleigh's height and weight into a pediatric body mass indicator calculator and the result was 21.2, which is overweight for a female child.

I wonder if LE has gotten "official" height and weight measurements of Haleigh from a doctor office or the school? I have worked @ schools, and height and weight of the little ones, Pre-K thru grade 5 are a big deal, and well finished by this time of the school year (and any kids coming in after the measurements, or who were absent when they were done are eventually weighed and measured.) She didn't look @ all overweight in the pic. If the girlfriend didn't know Haleigh's DOB, I'd be pretty confident in saying she didn't know height and weight (especially weight which she said was 40 to 60 pounds. She could be a little more accurate on the height just by showing officers where the little girl's head came to on her.

The grandmother (his mom or mom's mom?) said Haleigh hadn't been having any bedwetting problems for about 3 years. Especially if this comes from mom's side of the family--they would know this how? Seems mom and her family know precious little about the current lives of her children. Little kids can certainly regress when there is stress or changes--and I would think a divorce, having to go between 2 homes (where there is likely bad things said about the other parent, or Q&A time, using the kids against the other) and having a new "mommy" would be events that could cause a child to revert to bedwetting.

[Amy]

Age of majority in Florida is eighteen, I think it's in another link that I posted when I was carping about the cigarettes.

I think there is a difference in "age of majority" and "age of consent." Altho, in FL for girls, both happen to be 18. Boys have reached the age of consent @ 16 in FL. In KS, both boys and girls have reached the age of consent @ age 16. Age of majority where they can buy cigarettes, 3.2 beer, and vote among other things is 18.

http://www.avert.org/ageconsent.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/age-of-majority

[lorettalockhorn]

Amy, I've posted Florida statutes regarding statutory rape; it looks to me like people need to either be breathing down the necks of their duly elected officials, i.e. the sheriff, the judge, and the legislators who created these laws to see that they are inforced in ANY and EVERY state; else get them off the damned books. Ronald Cummings is no different from the 44 registered sex offenders that there is such hue and cry about living in his neighborhood. Why is it the publics' business when the parents don't give a sh!t? Because the public is paying the taxes that pay the salaries of these officials, as well as the Medicare that supports the illegitimate children of the likes of Ronald Cummings. The attorney/talking head on Geraldo wasn't kidding last night when he said that the Cummings/Croslin relationship is a public relations nightmare for the Putnam County Sheriff. As well it should be.

I've also posted a picture of the trailer and a floor plan of the trailer. As you do your catching up, you'll see the discrepancies in stories made by both Misty and Ronald.

Bravo to these people for having the gumption to be interviewed without the benefit of attorneys, but once the dust has settled, there need to be some changes made in the Cummings home and "lifestyle", and there needs to be even more awareness made with regard to how children can and should be protected.

[Amy]

Absolutely it should be addressed. Especially now that it is out in the open. But, it doesn't seem to be on their minds at all, looking at the videos, where he puts his arm around Misty. She also smokes and maybe that should be addressed, she couldn't buy cigarettes in Florida without being 18. And I'll stick my neck out here and say I'm sure she has imbibed of alcohol. All that is besides the point because none of it would matter if Haleigh wasn't missing. No one would care about any of that if Haleigh wasn't missing. IMO. All I'm trying to say is that I don't think they should be judged by their circumstances or the way they were living before this.

The law only addresses PURCHASING cigarettes, not smoking them. So, I don't suppose there is any legal ground to stand there, as long as someone else (supposedly 18 or over) is buying them. And, as stated, that isn't what their focus is on @ this time.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think there is a difference in "age of majority" and "age of consent." Altho, in FL for girls, both happen to be 18. Boys have reached the age of consent @ 16 in FL. In KS, both boys and girls have reached the age of consent @ age 16. Age of majority where they can buy cigarettes, 3.2 beer, and vote among other things is 18.

http://www.avert.org/ageconsent.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/age-of-majority

As you go through the thread, you will see the links that I have posted. Sorry, none of them happen to be from answers.com or wikipedia.

[lorettalockhorn]

The law only addresses PURCHASING cigarettes, not smoking them. So, I don't suppose there is any legal ground to stand there, as long as someone else (supposedly 18 or over) is buying them. And, as stated, that isn't what their focus is on @ this time.

The purchasing and smoking of the cigarettes is symptomatic of the issues and circumstances that Haleigh and her younger brother are forced to live in.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if LE has gotten "official" height and weight measurements of Haleigh from a doctor office or the school? I have worked @ schools, and height and weight of the little ones, Pre-K thru grade 5 are a big deal, and well finished by this time of the school year (and any kids coming in after the measurements, or who were absent when they were done are eventually weighed and measured.) She didn't look @ all overweight in the pic. If the girlfriend didn't know Haleigh's DOB, I'd be pretty confident in saying she didn't know height and weight (especially weight which she said was 40 to 60 pounds. She could be a little more accurate on the height just by showing officers where the little girl's head came to on her.

The grandmother (his mom or mom's mom?) said Haleigh hadn't been having any bedwetting problems for about 3 years. Especially if this comes from mom's side of the family--they would know this how? Seems mom and her family know precious little about the current lives of her children. Little kids can certainly regress when there is stress or changes--and I would think a divorce, having to go between 2 homes (where there is likely bad things said about the other parent, or Q&A time, using the kids against the other) and having a new "mommy" would be events that could cause a child to revert to bedwetting.

I took the height and weight information from the Amber Alert. Haleigh has Turner's Syndrome which could well account for her size.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sheriff Says Crews Won't Give Up On Haleigh Cummings

PALATKA, FL -- Search officials have moved their headquarters back to Palatka, and the main volunteer search party is going back to Texas, but Putnam County officials insist they are not letting up in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy and Special Agent Dominick Pape met with the media at 4 p.m. Monday to discuss the latest on the search effort.

The theme for Sheriff Hardy was hope. The sheriff kept going back to that refrain, telling the media he wasn't giving up hope, telling the family to keep hoping, and telling the volunteer searchers to keep hoping they find Haleigh alive and well.

Asked why authorities keep interviewing many of the same people, Hardy said, "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary," adding that they have received and continue to process many clues.

One clue led more than four dozen law enforcement officers to an area south of Satsuma off Highway 17 near Lake Como...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131476&catid=3

[Amy]

Florida
The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits an adult younger than 24 to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17.

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose Florida code, Title XLVI, Chapter 794

This has me all confused. It would seem an act done for bon fide medical purpose would be vaginal exam--but why would it have to be spelled out in relation to sex laws? Maybe it was written before the practice of the physician having a "witness" in the room for such exams, regardless of the age of the patient? At least, any doctor with a lick of common sense would have a nurse or aide in attendance.

[Amy]

It was reorted tonight that Caleigh suffers from Turner Syndrome which could explain why she was sick so often. It's a chromosonal defect present only in females. Only one "X" instead of two. Can also result in mild retardation. News said it is genetic.

Gator

And her mother doesn't know she has Turner's syndrome? Or, since Haleigh doesn't live with mom, mom hasn't bothered to find out what the syndrome is and how it affects her little girl? Why would she be adverse to say her daughter has Turner's syndrome? It's not like it's a social pox, or the little girl brought it on herself. Seems that is less devastating and socially unacceptable than some of the actions and verbage of the adults in this situation. And they seem to openly admit their actions. IMO

[Amy]

Hi STL, I'm not Wind, but I think she/he is disgusted with the criminal element. I thought he/she said that h/she had lived in a trailer once. I, like Loretta am worried that these children were exposed to drugs, bad language, sex offenders, etc. I am a piney woods rooter from GA, and I have lived in a mobile home for several years. One difference, my and my husbands parents watched us when we were children, disciplined us, and made sure we had an education and were taught right from wrong. We were by far not rich but they worked and saved, and provided a good life. My 3 children are grown now but when they were little, I never let them out of my sight and the people who baby sat them did not either. I don't really believe Wind is a snob. I like h/she am tired with crime and innocent children being snatched from their environment and killed. Education is the ticket out of poverty, and basic education doesn't cost in the USA. I appreciate every one's opinion and just wanted to state mine. :) And I do hope this beautiful little girl is found safe and returned, but statistically it doesn't look good. :rose:

Basic education DOES cost in Kansas, @ least. Book fees, activity fees, supply fees--for those not on assistance. For those who qualify for free lunches--the tab is zero. For those on assisted lunches, the tab is 1/2 price. And, for those who buy school supplies for their children--the supplies except scissors and rulers and crayons are all piled together for ALL children to use, and then those who pay get notices to refurbish the supplies that have been used. And, that is to say nothing of the $700 a year in lunches for 2 children. But, that is a bit off topic, so will let it rest there.

I don't think all folks living in trailers or mobile homes should be tagged as trailer trash, as I know there are many who are doing the best they can, their children go to school, it's important for their children to "succeed" in life, and some move on to better environments when they can. Not all do drugs, smoke cigarettes, have sex with minors---and Wind's posts DO lump people living in trailers in one pile.

[lorettalockhorn]

This has me all confused. It would seem an act done for bon fide medical purpose would be vaginal exam--but why would it have to be spelled out in relation to sex laws? Maybe it was written before the practice of the physician having a "witness" in the room for such exams, regardless of the age of the patient? At least, any doctor with a lick of common sense would have a nurse or aide in attendance.

I've seen a lot of confusion about this on other boards as well; I think this is written to specifically differentiate digital or intrument penetration for medical purposes. Many people may not consider or realize that digital penetration or the insertion of an object is an act of molestation/rape.

[Amy]

Crytal was denied a restraining order against Ronald in '06:

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=210959&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

Click the individual page to open PDF file. (I don't think Crystal and Ronald were ever married. Can't find a record of a divorce.)

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/12/amber_alert__search_for_haleigh_continues.html
There is an ongoing rift between Haleigh’s mother and father, who are legally separated, but not divorced.

I tho't I had read they weren't divorced. Found the link @ another forum--which is closed for posting for "cleanup." I didn't take the time to see what they were going on about to be closed, but they are closed half the time on the Caylee board, too. It's nice to be on this board where posters are much more "civilized."

[Amy]

this is not suprising. This guy has no business having custody of these kids not just because of this record but his fedish for young girls is distubing.

I'm thinking, if he was the better parent for custody, what in the world does HER rap sheet look like? :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/12/amber_alert__search_for_haleigh_continues.html
There is an ongoing rift between Haleigh’s mother and father, who are legally separated, but not divorced.

I tho't I had read they weren't divorced. Found the link @ another forum--which is closed for posting for "cleanup." I didn't take the time to see what they were going on about to be closed, but they are closed half the time on the Caylee board, too. It's nice to be on this board where posters are much more "civilized."

They're not divorced because they were never married that I can tell. Haleigh's and Junior's paternity was adjudicated; if they had been married, Cummings would have been putative. I'll be surprised if we discover a marriage or a divorce proceeding.

[Amy]

Someone asked about the layout of the trailer:

http://i39.tinypic.com/6isl6p.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wdul2b.jpg

The back door is actually in the master bathroom, which would mean that if Haleigh was in her room or in front of the TV (versions 3&4?), the kidnapper would have had to come in and out through Misty's bedroom to carry Haleigh out. For some reason, I had thought that the back door was on the back of the trailer, or in the kitchen.

That is how I remembered mobile homes--the back door is NOT at the kitchen, but off a bedroom, or a hall leading to a bedroom. They keep saying BACK DOOR, so wonder how her (misti) seeing a light on in the kitchen would alert her to the open door. It looks like the door actually is off a utility room. The bathroom is up by the kitchen. It wouldn't make sense if they were in a room on the other end, either--for her to see the door open on the opposite end--how would the intruder get past her to get Haleigh?

As I was reading thru some of the transcripts, maternal grandma is saying they have never been told if Misti checked to see if Haleigh was in the bed when she (Misti) got up, just that she wasn't there when she came back from the bathroom. And, in the version where Haleigh is the one who gets up, how could SHE disappear out of the bathroom--the intruder would have to be in the very room w/Misti. And, if she was sleeping and didn't notice Haleigh getting up (or being removed) why would she say Haleigh was going to the bathroom? She wouldn't know WHY Haleigh got up. Maybe she tho't she heard her daddy coming home--or SHE saw the light in the kitchen, and maybe the intruder was in the kitchen.

Guess there are lots of possibilities given the different versions of who got up when, and went where. PLUS the possibilities of a party, or of someone visiting late into the night.

[Amy]

The below link sort of explains how the father had custody.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=10

Hmmmm.....I guess they have to weigh drug use against extensive arrest records. I would hope that, since he DID get custody, that he is seeing to it that his daughter is getting to her doctor appointments. That seems to be about the only difference in the two, IMO.

[Amy]

I don't think that the back door being IN in the master bedroom makes sense. I think that is a window. Unless, previous residents replaced the window with a door--I'm thinking if there had been a disabled member of the household that would have needed direct wheelchair access to the master bedroom. I think someone in a previous post mentioned a wheelchair ramp. Wow, everything about this situation is so troubling. Thanks for your work on getting the physical layout of the home. It was me that was curious about it.

On the diagram, it shows as a door. The master bedroom is on the bottom right, and on the bottom left is what looks to be a utility room, with a door, seen in the red box in the picture. The windows in the diagram are drawn in a different manner. IMO.

[samanthajane13]

Authorities scale back search for missing Fla girl


SATSUMA, Fla. – Authorities in north Florida have scaled back their search for a missing 5-year-old girl who vanished from her home last week and a volunteer search group has ended its efforts.

Putnam County Sheriff's officials said they sent about 50 officers Monday to an area that had not previously been searched after receiving a tip on Haleigh Cummings' disappearance, but nothing was found. The agency has since scaled back its search. Meanwhile, volunteer group Texas EquuSearch has suspended its efforts to find the little girl who disappeared early Tuesday.

Haleigh's parents are divorced. She was being watched by her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, when she vanished from his home.

Authorities are treating Haleigh's disappearance as an abduction.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_re_us/missing_florida_girl

[javahog]

LOL!! Thank you jav. What do I know, I'm just an old fart, never got to college. I never smoked funny cigs either. I smoke the regular kind. They don't make anyone happy happy. ;)

From what I could see, the funny ones didn't make anyone there happy either ;)

[Amy]

Wind149
I have reported to children's services for LESS than what these jerks are doing. How in the world did he get custody. Also, do you know if there are early intervention follow ups in Fla???? I would think someone would have made sure the children had a home visit once in a while to see what was going on in that family..

If Haleigh was here, she would have qualified for a child developmental specialist to follow up with her. They follow up on premature babies, and any with any kind of "syndrome." They know just about EVERY resources available that someone would need--help w/getting medical card, getting WIC, finding schools, finding medical equipment, etc--things that are not really in their job description, but that's what they do. They also keep an eye out for any other children in the home, report problems to doctors or social services, etc. It is a service free to the family regardless of income, and most folks are ever so grateful for the help. Unfortunately, there are those who refuse the service as it is not REQUIRED that the family have followup assistance. Most of those who refuse are those who have drug and alcohol and usually abuse issues in the home.

I would think most states would have an early intervention service, but I don't know. And, most likely, even if the service is available, it could be that the family is not obligated to take advantage of the assistance.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmmm.....I guess they have to weigh drug use against extensive arrest records. I would hope that, since he DID get custody, that he is seeing to it that his daughter is getting to her doctor appointments. That seems to be about the only difference in the two, IMO.

I posted a link (yesterday?) to the court order, and the judge somewhat explains his thought process. And although he doesn't say so, I have wondered that since Ronald is a heavy equipment operator, if he isn't subjected to random drug testing and the judge knows that and considered it. And if he is, I'm thinking that he's been clean, or wouldn't have been able to keep his job for going on four years.

[Amy]

I'm wondering how you get into the laundry room from inside the house. I only see the exterior door which opens inward. It looks like one door in the master bedroom opens into the living room and the other into a closet. There must be some sort of door in the laundry room that goes into the kitchen rather than the bedroom. (Should have gotten out my magnifying glass sooner.)

If so, that means that the perpetrator was never on the east side of the house where Misty was sleeping.

That's what it looks like to me, the master bedroom goes into the living room and the kitchen is right there. You have to turn to the left to go into the kitchen and down to where the laundry room is.

So Crystal and her mom are wrong about a bathroom in the master--or there was some modifications made to the interior of this home which were present when Crystal lived there.

[lorettalockhorn]

That's what it looks like to me, the master bedroom goes into the living room and the kitchen is right there. You have to turn to the left to go into the kitchen and down to where the laundry room is.

So Crystal and her mom are wrong about a bathroom in the master--or there was some modifications made to the interior of this home which were present when Crystal lived there.

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think Crystal lived in that particular place. I found another address for Cummings, and am not sure how long he's been on Green Lane.

[wind149]

I stand on record again, that I once lived in a trailer and sister lives in one currently but not in a park. There is nothing wrong with living in one, I am merely saying that it appears this park is not one that does background checks on tenants compared to the one I lived in and for the most part the people in my park were decent hard-working people, elderly folks and I had the best neighbors and am still friends with them. Once again it is these people's lifestyle that bothers me, once again you don't have to be educated to be a good parent, my sister's neighbor is actually illiterate, but he is a hard working guy and a great Dad to his son that I can see. Last night did anyone else pick up on Geraldo when the great grandmother of Ronnie said and I quote "Haleigh WAS a Daddy's girl" Not is, but was? I found that a little strange, putting the child in a past tense? Tonight on Jane, Mommy was on there and for the first time she answered at least one of my questions. She does not like the idea that Misty was playing Mommy with her kids, but yet, she got pregnant with Haleigh at 17? How mature was she at that age? And she claims that she had no say in it, and I am thinking, if you do not want that girl taking care of your kids, tell Family Court was is going on, something stinks there, it is like she is afraid of the court, and just accepts that Misty is most of the time Mommy??? And I am dead drop curious about the sex offender that is her kin, he went to the top of my pile, and I guess there is a dangerous predator from that area that has come up missing, maybe a parent of a child he harmed found him first, he disappeared on the first of Feb and his car was found, Haleigh came up missing last Tuesday? I think it is premature to think he is involved, but I rule no one out at this time.

[Amy]

If the stranger didn't have help from anyone inside the trailer, he would have to know where to find the light switch, for instance, so that might indicate having been in the home several times. And would have to have a way to get inside the dead-bolted door.

I just don't believe that the door was locked; either Ronald lied about that or simply doesn't remember, or Misty unlocked it for some reason. To let someone in? Someone who coudln't afford to be seen coming in the front entrance?

I hope LE sits on these two until they get the truth.

LE has said that the families are

He would have to also get from the back door TO the kitchen turn on the kitchen light. I guess the utility room isn't all that big, but what if there were baskets of laundry sitting where one might walk? It would be risky walking across even a small space to get to the light switch, unless one knew there wasn't anything to obstruct the path to the other door. No matter which way you look @ it, it had to be someone who had been in the house before, or someone had to be facilitating the entry/exit. IMO

[Amy]

This brought a question to mind...If LE is searching for a missing child and asks to search your property, and you say yes...what if they spot something like a pot plant? I just ask because I wonder if some people would want to help but be afraid to...and if LE turns a blind eye to "minor" crimes in true emergencies like this...

I don't have a link, but IIRC, it's supposed to be that LE can't use the results of the search for anything other than is the child there, or is there signs the child might have been there. Kind of like search warrants--they have to list what they are looking for, and they can't seize other things not on the list, unless it specifically ties in with the case @ hand. If they didn't go in with the intent of finding pot or other illegal stuff, they can't pick it up, and I don't think they can go back with another warrant and have a new case.

I have NO IDEA where to go look for the law on something like this (but I know we got law-type folks on the board who would know the answer or where to look.) This is just what I have learned (I think) in other cases.

[Amy]

Well, if you looked at Misty's brothers myspace pages, you'll see that marijuana is a recurring thing. I'm thinking that people who dabble in illegal activities probably remove evidence before the knock and talk; knowing surely that it will take place.

And speaking of myspace, Crystal's says that she's 24 years old and is a taurus, but the police report shows her birthdate as August 30, 1989. Which would make her nineteen and a virgo. What's up with that?

One of the original police reports had Cindy Anthony as a black 26 y/o female. (Could be wrong on the age, but it was much younger than she.) It could very well be that they got the birthdate wrong, or even the info is from someone else with the same name which is what happened in Cindy's case.

The time I saw Crystal on the tv, she looked more like 24 than 19, but looks can be deceiving.

I could hardly read the myspaces for Misti's brothers--too much background for these old eyes, I guess. The first one hasn't been on since mid January, and the second one looks like he either isn't interested or wasn't available to be on his space--was it 2007 or 2005 since his last log on?

[Amy]

Fo shizzle. ID theft or worse! I just don't "get" myspace or facebook at all unless you have a private setting. It seems completely unwise to put your business and worse, your kids' out where every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Lunatic knows your chit.

The kids these days seem to have NO PROBLEM putting out EVERYTHING about themselves on mySpace. SO is always saying his older daughter tells him what our daughter has on her space. I keep saying--don't put down ANYTHING that is going to bite you in the keister someday. But, she's 20 and there's not anything I can do about it. She's not the only one. We've seen that on the spaces that have been looked up in lots of cases.

[Amy]

Well I watched them all on Geraldo At Large tonight on Fox and I swear that the mother reminded me of Susan Smith. "Bring my baby home. She needs her mama" wa wa wa. Not a tear ws shed...I think she is involved:shrug:

She must not have been concerned about how much her baby needed her momma when she did things that would preclude her having custody of her. Of course, it sounds like she and daddy were both running a little left of the law, and it must have been a tossup who would get the kids. It looks like he got them because he @ least was employed.

[Amy]

Court file of the findings (explanation) of the judge, adjudicating children's paternity(s), child support, etc. and filing of a request for rehearing by Crystal:

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Dang, it says stopped and won't load for me.

[Amy]

There was also a contempt of court filing done on Tuesday morning after Haleigh went missing. I just can't get it to come up to get a link to it.

Against who? Does it say why? TIA

[Amy]

Has anyone seen a transcript of the entire unedited 911 calls?

What's up with this? I thought Cummings locked the door. Is this bad reporting, or did Misty use the door and lock it?

Croslin called 911 and said the rear door to Cummings' manufactured home had been propped open. She said she locked it before putting Haleigh and her little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., to bed.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021509/news_0215009_043.shtml

I'm still curious about him saying that he locked the door anyway; he said that he didn't know anything about the cinder block, but it was reported that there's a pile of them in the back yard. He said he only uses the back yard to wash his car. Did he wash his car that day?

I couldn't find an official transcript, but I'm pretty sure I had seen one. The only one I could find had a lot of "inaudible" where I KNOW I had seen actual words before.

[Amy]

Interesting commentary

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

He must have watched the same interview that I did--the first one I saw of Ronald Cummings--where there were no tears for all the crying he was doing.

I guess, with all the different news sources that people think they are talking about the same interview, but they are different ones. Just like earlier, someone posted there were no tears from Misti, but the video I saw @ that link, with her in the back of a car, she had tears, not ROLLING down her face, but there were tears.

Anyway, interesting observations, and many that have been made by posters. One thing I did notice was that he said Misti says the exact same thing over and over about going to the bathroom and coming back to discover Haleigh gone. But she has also said that HALEIGH got up to go to the bathroom and didn't come back. Then, the last one (that I heard) where she saw the kitchen light was on, discovered the door open--and it doesn't seem that she went to the bathroom before seeing Haleigh was gone.

After seeing the house plan, unless the bedroom door was closed, she would have had to have noticed the kitchen light was on, even BEFORE she got up, the kitchen is open to the living room and the bedroom door is right where the living room becomes the kitchen.

[lorettalockhorn]

He would have to also get from the back door TO the kitchen turn on the kitchen light. I guess the utility room isn't all that big, but what if there were baskets of laundry sitting where one might walk? It would be risky walking across even a small space to get to the light switch, unless one knew there wasn't anything to obstruct the path to the other door. No matter which way you look @ it, it had to be someone who had been in the house before, or someone had to be facilitating the entry/exit. IMO

You know, it seems that one thing everyone agrees on is that Haleigh is afraid of the dark. So maybe there was enough light from whatever room Haleigh was sleeping in for the perp to see the kitchen light switch. However, if there was enough light to see the switch, why would he actually need to turn the light on? I think a lot of this depends on exactly WTF Haleigh was sleeping. And since we've heard four stories, no matter what Misty says is "really, really, truly, pinkie swear" where Haleigh was sleeping, I'm going to have a hard time believing it.

[lighthousedazy]

The kids these days seem to have NO PROBLEM putting out EVERYTHING about themselves on mySpace. SO is always saying his older daughter tells him what our daughter has on her space. I keep saying--don't put down ANYTHING that is going to bite you in the keister someday. But, she's 20 and there's not anything I can do about it. She's not the only one. We've seen that on the spaces that have been looked up in lots of cases.Exactly. I think some of the kids try to sound "badder" than they are. I know mine do. Employers can and do check those things when checking on a new hire, and anybody can get into them unless they are set to private. Usually searching a name on www.pipl.com will bring up the myspace also. :no:

[lighthousedazy]

You know, it seems that one thing everyone agrees on is that Haleigh is afraid of the dark. So maybe there was enough light from whatever room Haleigh was sleeping in for the perp to see the kitchen light switch. However, if there was enough light to see the switch, why would he actually need to turn the light on? I think a lot of this depends on exactly WTF Haleigh was sleeping. And since we've heard four stories, no matter what Misty says is "really, really, truly, pinkie swear" where Haleigh was sleeping, I'm going to have a hard time believing it.I have one granddaughter that is scared of the dark, and her mom has to have night lights all over the place, at least in the bedrooms and bathroom. I still don't know where Haleigh was sleeping either. I hope LE has it figured out. :shrug:

[Amy]

I posted a link (yesterday?) to the court order, and the judge somewhat explains his thought process. And although he doesn't say so, I have wondered that since Ronald is a heavy equipment operator, if he isn't subjected to random drug testing and the judge knows that and considered it. And if he is, I'm thinking that he's been clean, or wouldn't have been able to keep his job for going on four years.

I saw the post, but the link wouldn't go anywhere for me, the box said stopped, and nothing came up.

That is a good point about heavy equipment and drug testing. I didn't look @ the dates on his record to see when was the last that had anything to do w/drugs. Of course, he could be selling (there were substantial amounts, I think) and not using.

[DrewBerry]

Hello everyone. I am a new member but have followed the boards for a few years now. After watching this case for the past week, I could no longer contain my outrage towards this sorry bunch of human beings that call themselves Haleigh's family. It is clear that dad is a total rage-a-holic, mom is clueless, and the teenage gf is not telling the whole story. They are ALL responsible for what has happened to Haleigh. I hope child protective services doesn't drop the ball on this one and the other children that these low-lifes have created will be protected. I hope Haleigh is found soon and justice is served.

To Loretta, Old Soul, and Wind: I truly like the way you all write and appreciate reading your opinions and collective wisdom. (I tend to agree most with your opinions about this bunch of losers.)

[Amy]

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think Crystal lived in that particular place. I found another address for Cummings, and am not sure how long he's been on Green Lane.

I was going by what I tho't I heard (or did I read a transcript? My CRS is kicking in) when Crystal and her mom were talking. Her mom was saying the bathroom was right in the master bedroom. Maybe they are just thinking it was the same house?

[lighthousedazy]

On GVS tonight, it was stated that Ronald Cummings, Misty, and family had only been living in that trailer for a couple of weeks. Also, the missing sexual predator has no link to the missing Haleigh case. jmo. no link yet.

[Amy]

Exactly. I think some of the kids try to sound "badder" than they are. I know mine do. Employers can and do check those things when checking on a new hire, and anybody can get into them unless they are set to private. Usually searching a name on www.pipl.com will bring up the myspace also. :no:

DD is upset about putting in appications, and not getting hired. I think I best bring this to her attention--especially since she just put in an application @ a day care today and while I don't think they would think running nekkid in the house with her b/f would lead them to think she would do it @ work, but they might raise their eyebrows @ the type of person who would announce it to the world!!!!

[lighthousedazy]

Hello everyone. I am a new member but have followed the boards for a few years now. After watching this case for the past week, I could no longer contain my outrage towards this sorry bunch of human beings that call themselves Haleigh's family. It is clear that dad is a total rage-a-holic, mom is clueless, and the teenage gf is not telling the whole story. They are ALL responsible for what has happened to Haleigh. I hope child protective services doesn't drop the ball on this one and the other children that these low-lifes have created will be protected. I hope Haleigh is found soon and justice is served.

To Loretta, Old Soul, and Wind: I truly like the way you all write and appreciate reading your opinions and collective wisdom. (I tend to agree most with your opinions about this bunch of losers.)Welcome Drew. I agree with you. As I said a while back, an education is the ticket out of poverty. It doesn't cost to finish high school and a person can go on from there. BUT, being poor doesn't mean a person has to choose a bad lifestyle either and endanger their childrens safety. Choices. :)

[Amy]

On GVS tonight, it was stated that Ronald Cummings, Misty, and family had only been living in that trailer for a couple of weeks. Also, the missing sexual predator has no link to the missing Haleigh case. jmo. no link yet.

I was reading where Crystal and her mom were apologizing to the Cummings family about their accusations and such, so it is possible that her mom was saying something that would make them (Misti especially) in a bad light when she was talking about the bathroom, without having a real clue about the layout.


Thanks lighthouse and Loretta for the info about time lived in that house.

[lorettalockhorn]

Dang, it says stopped and won't load for me.

Amy, it's the second link near the top:

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

[lorettalockhorn]

I was going by what I tho't I heard (or did I read a transcript? My CRS is kicking in) when Crystal and her mom were talking. Her mom was saying the bathroom was right in the master bedroom. Maybe they are just thinking it was the same house?

I TOLD YOU not to quote me!!!!! LMAO

Cummings had one address listed in the court records (link at the Fox site), and he presumably lived with his mother according to what his plans were (that he told the judge). There's no telling if he moved or how many times in a 3 1/2 - 4 year period.

[DrewBerry]

Welcome Drew. I agree with you. As I said a while back, an education is the ticket out of poverty. It doesn't cost to finish high school and a person can go on from there. BUT, being poor doesn't mean a person has to choose a bad lifestyle either and endanger their childrens safety. Choices. :)
Thank you for the welcome, light. You're right about education being the ticket out of poverty and even a high school education can help break generations of poverty, neglect, abuse, etc. Why is it that there always seems to be enough $ for drugs, alcohol, cigs., guns, internet for MySpace, video games, etc. but not education? I'll never get it. Choices, choices, choices.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was reading where Crystal and her mom were apologizing to the Cummings family about their accusations and such, so it is possible that her mom was saying something that would make them (Misti especially) in a bad light when she was talking about the bathroom, without having a real clue about the layout.


Thanks lighthouse and Loretta for the info about time lived in that house.

I was very moved that Mrs. Griffis publicly apologized to the Cummings family and to Misty. Likewise for Crystal to make her statement today about not coming down on Misty.

And then in the back of my mind I was thinking about the contempt of court charge that has allegedly been filed and thought, hmmm damage control.

Yenta & cynic.

[Mommyto2]

I have been following these threads since Nona and I have been following this case also. Can someone tell me if there is a thread for the little boy missing in Arkansas? Thanks

[lorettalockhorn]

Hello everyone. I am a new member but have followed the boards for a few years now. After watching this case for the past week, I could no longer contain my outrage towards this sorry bunch of human beings that call themselves Haleigh's family. It is clear that dad is a total rage-a-holic, mom is clueless, and the teenage gf is not telling the whole story. They are ALL responsible for what has happened to Haleigh. I hope child protective services doesn't drop the ball on this one and the other children that these low-lifes have created will be protected. I hope Haleigh is found soon and justice is served.

To Loretta, Old Soul, and Wind: I truly like the way you all write and appreciate reading your opinions and collective wisdom. (I tend to agree most with your opinions about this bunch of losers.)

Hey Drew! Glad that I haven't offended you (yet). I'm just an old exchange theory/structuralism sociologist who could bore you to tears with anecdotal evidence of why and how Haleigh and Junior are more at risk than a lot of kids who do come from a higher socio-economic standing. *yawn*

There are some great posters in this thread; many of them the same folks that post in the Caylee Anthony forum, and just about every word posted here deserves reading and credence.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been following these threads since Nona and I have been following this case also. Can someone tell me if there is a thread for the little boy missing in Arkansas? Thanks

Hey Mommy! There isn't a thread for Dominick Arceneaux, and there isn't a lot of information about his search. I can tell you that a reward ($15,000?) has been offered for information that would lead to his return, and that LE has pretty well determined that Dominick is the victim of abduction.

You could start a thread and I'd be more than happy to help you with links.

[lighthousedazy]

Hey Mommy! There isn't a thread for Dominick Arceneaux, and there isn't a lot of information about his search. I can tell you that a reward ($15,000?) has been offered for information that would lead to his return, and that LE has pretty well determined that Dominick is the victim of abduction.

You could start a thread and I'd be more than happy to help you with links.I was also glad to see that Greta VS mentioned Dominick tonight also.

[Mommyto2]

You could start a thread and I'd be more than happy to help you with links. Thanks I may do that, I'm just curious if its the same ones who tried kidnapping a girl from Bryant a few weeks ago.

On Haleighs' I'm sorry if this has been mentined before but Crystal's Youngest daughter-Chloe- her father is Chad Griffis which is the same last name as her mom's. So am I correct in assuming that her fiancee is her step-brother. It seems that way according to her myspace page. Sorry if this is way off base!

[lorettalockhorn]

You could start a thread and I'd be more than happy to help you with links. Thanks I may do that, I'm just curious if its the same ones who tried kidnapping a girl from Bryant a few weeks ago.

On Haleighs' I'm sorry if this has been mentined before but Crystal's Youngest daughter-Chloe- her father is Chad Griffis which is the same last name as her mom's. So am I correct in assuming that her fiancee is her step-brother. It seems that way according to her myspace page. Sorry if this is way off base!

Mommy, I'm right here in AR and hadn't heard about a kidnapping attempt in Bryant! I'd like to know more.

I think Chad Griffis is the son of Victor Griffis rather than Marie's husband. Let me look that up.

[Mommyto2]

http://www.cwarkansas.com/mostpopular/story/City-on-alert-after-attempted-kidnapping/hqwmEHb0EEiMNUwSQlt8rw.cspx
Here is about the attempted kidnapping in Arkansas

[Zingo]

The LE officer who did the interview on Saturday (police chief, maybe) stated that Misty said they had walked down that way earlier in the day so the print was discounted. Just an aside - isn't that awfully rough ground for a child to be barefoot?

Thanks Justice. I haven't kept up on all the latest news in this case. Personally, I don't let my kids go barefoot even in the lawn ... But that's me! The only time they're barefoot is at the swimming pool.

[DrewBerry]

Thanks, Loretta. I do not get offended easily, so no worry about me!
I too believe there is much value in reading everyone's post and applying good critical thinking skills and respectful responses. Thanks to everyone for sharing!
Speaking of socio-economic factors. . .I'll have to research demographic stats for Florida. I've been curious about the frequency of missing/abducted children in this state. Fascinating psycho-social stuff.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.cwarkansas.com/mostpopular/story/City-on-alert-after-attempted-kidnapping/hqwmEHb0EEiMNUwSQlt8rw.cspx
Here is about the attempted kidnapping in Arkansas

Man, that was daring! Just park right there in grandfather's driveway? Glad she's safe.

BTW Crystal's mother Marie's husband's name is Bruce. I think Chad's father might be Crystal's step-uncle (Victor).

[Mommyto2]

It still seems odd to date someone that you are semi-related to. On her myspace it made it sound like her brother.
Heroes: My Mom and My Sister Sarah Of Course couldn't live with out them My Daddy, My Brother Marcus and Chad most of all he's My fiancee, my whole world I love hime to death!!!!"

[lorettalockhorn]

It still seems odd to date someone that you are semi-related to. On her myspace it made it sound like her brother.
Heroes: My Mom and My Sister Sarah Of Course couldn't live with out them My Daddy, My Brother Marcus (I would have put a comma here) and Chad most of all he's My fiancee, my whole world I love hime to death!!!!"

Yeah, I read that (along with her calling her children brats) and chalked it up to misplaced punctuation. And she says brother Marcus, not brothers Marcus and Chad. *picks nits* :hat:

[Native Alien]

Justice that is not rough terrain for a kid to be going barefoot in.

I grew up for the most part in Central Florida, out in the sticks and we were barefoot more than we wore shoes.

[lighthousedazy]

Justice that is not rough terrain for a kid to be going barefoot in.

I grew up for the most part in Central Florida, out in the sticks and we were barefoot more than we wore shoes.
I grew up in central GA, and my mom said when the corn got knee high we could go bare footed. But I think during the summer we were barefoot most of the time too, except for church on Sunday and going to town on Saturday. :)

[Amy]

I grew up in central GA, and my mom said when the corn got knee high we could go bare footed. But I think during the summer we were barefoot most of the time too, except for church on Sunday and going to town on Saturday. :)

We grew up barefooted, too, in Kansas. Saved on the shoe bill for 7 kids. We had a smidge of grass in 2 places, a lot of dirt and a lot of weeds (which we called lawn, lol.) If we left the yard, we had to wear shoes, but we weren't allowed to leave the yard much.

[Native Alien]

I grew up in central GA, and my mom said when the corn got knee high we could go bare footed. But I think during the summer we were barefoot most of the time too, except for church on Sunday and going to town on Saturday. :)

There was no knee high corn, and as long as we could tolerate it we went barefoot everywhere except to school. Or we always had flip flops in the truck or car in case we needed them to go into a store.

[lorettalockhorn]

Jane Velez-Mitchell, 2/16/09:

...VELEZ-MITCHELL: A flurry of brand-new developments tonight in the desperate search for missing Florida girl Haleigh Cummings. The sheriff`s department expressing the frustration everyone is feeling. Quote, "This is not `CSI.` We can`t wrap this up in an hour."

But authorities today were wrapping up their ground search after almost a week of systematic grid searches for the 5-year-old known to her family as Doodlebug. The sheriff`s department says it has turned up, quote, "nothing of significance."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF JEFF HARDY, PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA: I explained it to them with my staff. We`ve not abandoned this search. And as you`re aware, we had a contingency of officers out there again searching the location today that we received a tip on.

The fact is, is that we will be recovering some areas that we`ve already covered. And, you know, the family knows that we had to move logistically. We had to move our operations to a facility that better suited our needs to find Haleigh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Officers will now focus their time on a tactical search, meaning they will follow up on more than 500 leads that have poured in this past week.

Meantime, we are learning that a local sex offender is also missing. Twenty-five-year-old Chad Eugene Reynolds went missing about a week before Haleigh vanished. There is no evidence that Reynolds is involved in little Haleigh`s disappearance, but authorities do want to talk to him.

Also tonight, inconsistent stories about the night of Haleigh`s disappearance are under close scrutiny. What exactly happened that evening? And where was little Haleigh actually sleeping? ...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/16/ijvm.01.html

[Native Alien]

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon. Also, police set up a checkpoint on Buffalo Bluff -- the road leading in and out of the neighborhood -- where detectives stopped and talked with the drivers.

No one would discuss what information prompted those responses.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html#-

[Woostock]

Amy
I am quite sure you are right about them not wanting someone checking up on them. We are fortunate that there is a residency (pediatrics) at the hospitals here and they refer. I only visit in the summer when school is out and cover for the workers. But some of the girls do resent me coming by to see how things are going and some don't want me to come in. In those cases I call child protection---they usually have NO problem seeing what is happening.
I also teach in an inner city school and that's another whole ball of wax. I see kids with so much potential and the parents don't give a ****; I care more about their kids than they do. I am trying to make a difference, one kid at a time.

[Nawny]

Hey Drew! Glad that I haven't offended you (yet). I'm just an old exchange theory/structuralism sociologist who could bore you to tears with anecdotal evidence of why and how Haleigh and Junior are more at risk than a lot of kids who do come from a higher socio-economic standing. *yawn*

There are some great posters in this thread; many of them the same folks that post in the Caylee Anthony forum, and just about every word posted here deserves reading and credence.


Lorrrr ettta! Why didn't you warn me when I got here? You ripped my rose colored Len's off me more times than you know. You call it what it is. And yes, all the posters here are decent and brilliant! Not like other boards, no, no.
Poppa still asks, "What did they say today? Any news on the Caylee case?" We think you detectives make more sense than CNN. TOo bad you don't make as much money.

Very good group. Welcome Drew. Would you want to indulge in some Haterade? Ask Loretta. She's the bar tender. :beer:

:hat:

[Nawny]

Amy
I am quite sure you are right about them not wanting someone checking up on them. We are fortunate that there is a residency (pediatrics) at the hospitals here and they refer. I only visit in the summer when school is out and cover for the workers. But some of the girls do resent me coming by to see how things are going and some don't want me to come in. In those cases I call child protection---they usually have NO problem seeing what is happening.
I also teach in an inner city school and that's another whole ball of wax. I see kids with so much potential and the parents don't give a ****; I care more about their kids than they do. I am trying to make a difference, one kid at a time.


Nawny's gonna get mushy now. Remember Dickinson's famous poem; "If I can stop ONE bird from falling, I shall not live in vain."

Sound's to me like you're not living in vain woodstock. Bless your heart.

:seeya:

[Nawny]

Man, that was daring! Just park right there in grandfather's driveway? Glad she's safe.

BTW Crystal's mother Marie's husband's name is Bruce. I think Chad's father might be Crystal's step-uncle (Victor).

OMG! I'm glad she's safe too! Ya know, I live on a high piece of property. Behind my house there is a courtyard and more high property. The only way anyone can get up to the courtyard is by entering a steep driveway.

It's very child friendly. I know the mailman or others will come up that driveway so I have yellow T signs stationed halfway up that say, CAREFUL - CHILDREN PLAYING.

So, my back yard is pretty safe. When I have my 5 weebles for the day they do not exit my house without me. I sit and watch them and they are not allowed to go to the front of the house (which is also high ground) without me. Their ages are 6-6 (twins) 4-5- and 3. I stalk them constantly. It's the only way, now days.

[Amy]

Amy
I am quite sure you are right about them not wanting someone checking up on them. We are fortunate that there is a residency (pediatrics) at the hospitals here and they refer. I only visit in the summer when school is out and cover for the workers. But some of the girls do resent me coming by to see how things are going and some don't want me to come in. In those cases I call child protection---they usually have NO problem seeing what is happening.
I also teach in an inner city school and that's another whole ball of wax. I see kids with so much potential and the parents don't give a ****; I care more about their kids than they do. I am trying to make a difference, one kid at a time.

I appreciate all that you and your fellow workers and the social workers do, the people who are out in the trenches trying to get even one child out of poverty and bad environments. I suppose about the only people who DON'T appreciate your work would be the parents, the family. It has to take a great emotional toll, when your efforts are resisted by the family, and not always recognized by supervisors and the public. As a nurse mentor always used to tell us after a particularly hard day--you will have diamonds in your crown when you get to heaven. Thanks for all you do.

[lorettalockhorn]

Deputies Search Neighborhood For Haleigh

PALATKA, Fla. -- Investigators searching for a missing north Florida girl say they have done another neighborhood canvas of the area where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings vanished more than a week ago.

Putnam County Sheriff's Office Captain Steve Rose says detectives received several good leads while talking to neighbors in the Satsuma area and will be looking into those Tuesday. Rose declined to talk about those leads...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18731060/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Tuesday's briefing:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18730855/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Neighborhoods searched for missing girl

Police canvass neighborhoods for leads

SATSUMA, Fla. - Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they utilized federal, state and local officers Monday night in a neighborhood canvass to find missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

In a news conference Tuesday morning, investigators said they came up with several good leads last night. They also said they conducted a vehicle checkpoint in the area which is an in-house protocol that detectives and administrators train for in cases of missing children.

Investigators would not detail the nature of the searches.

Sheriff's officers said they are confident in a general timeline surrounding Haleigh's disappearance, and are continuing to look at everybody as a suspect...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021709Neighborhood_canvass_conducted_for_missing_g irl

[lorettalockhorn]

Where is Haleigh?

Official: We are checking on leads involving Haleigh Cummings

Today's Updates

9:53 a.m. New tips generated overnight have led Putnam County investigators to places around Florida and even out-of-state to search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Detectives canvassed the Satsuma neighborhood last night and found new people they hadn't spoken to the first time they did a "knock and talk" last week, an official said.

Several people have been taken polygraph tests, including Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, 25, and his girlfriend Misty Croslin, 17.

Croslin was the last person to see Haleigh before she disappeared. Investigators would not release information about what those tests showed or comment on whether they still believe Croslin is telling the truth.

The ground search for the missing child has ended, but investigators will continue to work on leads...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story

[lorettalockhorn]

Car by Car Search Turns up New Leads

PALATKA, FL -- Putnam County officials held a news conference at 9:30 Tuesday morning to update the media and the public on the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Capt. Steve Rose with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the searchers spent time yesterday establishing checkpoints and conducting what he called a "secondary neighborhood canvas."

In that process, officials stopped and searched every vehicle, and questioned the people inside.

Rose said the checkpoint idea was something they had learned while undergoing child abduction response training.

It's designed to go over the same area again, and hopefully be able to talk to someone or see something that may not have been there earlier in the search.

Capt. Rose said their teams gained several important leads in the secondary canvas, but wouldn't disclose what any of them were.

He did say that leads were still coming in locally, statewide, and out of state, and that they were following up on each one.

Asked if officials had come up with a suspect or suspects yet, Rose said, "We are still looking at everybody as a suspect at this time."

The next scheduled news conference is at 4 p.m. We will bring it to you live on First Coast News and firstcoastnews.com. Of course, if there's a major break in the search before then, we'll bring it to you as it happens.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131517&catid=3

[One2Snoop]

Capt. Rose said their teams gained several important leads in the secondary canvas, but wouldn't disclose what any of them were.

Interesting. I hate it when they don't tell or at least give a hint to what they may have. I guess I'm just impatient.

[Native Alien]

Capt Rose also said that there would be the regular 4:00 p.m. briefing today.

[lorettalockhorn]

Capt. Rose said their teams gained several important leads in the secondary canvas, but wouldn't disclose what any of them were.

Interesting. I hate it when they don't tell or at least give a hint to what they may have. I guess I'm just impatient.

I hear ya! I feel very hopeful, whereas I didn't a couple of days ago. (I hope that's not offensive to Haleigh or her family.) It doesn't seem to me that LE would be continually stressing their fervor and that they hope to bring Haleigh home alive simply based on something like a lack of Haleigh's blood or other forensic evidence in the trailer (for instance). I feel like maybe they have a bona fide lead.

[Gatordog]

There's a press conference going on right now. The amber alert has been changed. It now has endangered child instead of missing child. No explanation why. Also, now they don't know what she was wearing. LE states she was not wearing the pink shirt as originally stated.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

There's a press conference going on right now. The amber alert has been changed. It now has endangered child instead of missing child. No explanation why. Also, now they don't know what she was wearing. LE states she was not wearing the pink shirt as originally stated.

Gator

Thanks Gator! Does that mean that they found the pink shirt? What about Misty telling the 911 operator that Haleigh was wearing her PJs, then it became a pink shirt and underwear, then a pink shirt and tan shorts? More inconsistency or bad reporting?

[deacon]

The law only addresses PURCHASING cigarettes, not smoking them. So, I don't suppose there is any legal ground to stand there, as long as someone else (supposedly 18 or over) is buying them. And, as stated, that isn't what their focus is on @ this time.

The one buying them for the minor is in big trouble in SC. Not the minor smoking them

[lorettalockhorn]

I have no clue if what we have here is someone selling cigs to a minor with or without a fake ID, or someone procuring cigarettes for the minor, and it doesn't really matter, except, what this family has demonstrated is that they have no respect for the law on more than one front. If the citizens of Florida don't care to see their laws enforced, that's one thing, but it's difficult to see a child like Haleigh who appears to be not only the victim of crime, but a victim of an underclass upbringing at the hand of a scofflaw father who as far as I can tell deserves the label of sexual offender. And to compare modern laws such as the one written to control the sale of tobacco to minors, and to protect the public health, to an archaic blue law is ridiculous.

Sheesh I don't even know how to make that more succinct. Musta been channeling James Joyce.

[One2Snoop]

Thanks Gator! Does that mean that they found the pink shirt? What about Misty telling the 911 operator that Haleigh was wearing her PJs, then it became a pink shirt and underwear, then a pink shirt and tan shorts? More inconsistency or bad reporting?

Investigators have Haleigh's pink shirt last seen in
Won't say where found or if girlfriend's description was off
By Dana Treen Story updated at 5:14 PM on Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

[Gatordog]

Thanks Gator! Does that mean that they found the pink shirt? What about Misty telling the 911 operator that Haleigh was wearing her PJs, then it became a pink shirt and underwear, then a pink shirt and tan shorts? More inconsistency or bad reporting?

Yes, the pink shirt was found in the house. No other details as to how it was found. A boat was also searching in the river. LE was asking that people focus on her face and forget the description of the clothing because they don't know what she was wearing.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Search for Haleigh: 'Focus on the Face'
Posted By: Dave Wax Created: 2/17/2009 4:33:47 PM Updated: 2/17/2009 5:00:36 PM

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131556&catid=3

[Woostock]

Loretta
I guess some of us were not off base when we questioned the family....They let Haleigh down; probably in more ways than one. I suspect that the more we find out the worse it's going to be. I think there are drugs involved and may be connected in some way. I pray she is still alive.

[lorettalockhorn]

Prime New on HNN(HLN) is discussing the inconsistencies and whether or not Misty left the home the night Haleigh disappeared.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta
I guess some of us were not off base when we questioned the family....They let Haleigh down; probably in more ways than one. I suspect that the more we find out the worse it's going to be. I think there are drugs involved and may be connected in some way. I pray she is still alive.

I think until folks have worked with people who need social services, they just have no idea what the warning signs can be. No doubt LE is walking a tightrope here to put pressure on the members of the household; they have to convince Misty and Ronald that they are their greatest advocate, even though they can bring about their downfall if there is prevarication or involvement in the disappearance.

The new issue of contempt has still not been determined as to whom filed against whom. (HNN)

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, the pink shirt was found in the house. No other details as to how it was found. A boat was also searching in the river. LE was asking that people focus on her face and forget the description of the clothing because they don't know what she was wearing.

Gator

It would be insane for the psycho/freak (LOVE that description that the GGmother gave) to have discarded that shirt. And you would fully expect Misty to know exactly what Haleigh was wearing to bed considering that she went through the rigamarole of taking the blanket down from the window and doing the load of laundry and tucking Haleigh in.

[wind149]

Welcome Drew, I have a good feeling that you will be an asset to these boards as well! I know some people think that I am a snob and too judgmental, but when you have dealt with cretins like this family from a LE perspective, you tend to see things the way I do. And everyone! I had no idea that Crystal has another daughter? This is the first I have heard about that and I am like, OH GOD! Continued to breed more even though the two oldest are given to the Daddy? I have not heard whether she has a job, my money is no, probably the welfare check unless boyfriend Chad makes good money and I am inclined to doubt that. Also, tonight, on Prime News, I heard that Misty might not have been home half the night? Do you guys feel that her original story is crap like I do? She puts the kids to bed at 8 and then probably takes off to get high or drunk, comes back on 3 a.m. and finds Haleigh gone so she has to make up a story that Ronnie would believe and that LE might buy, and I am basing this on her changing the story at least three times. Also, while LE is not saying this, it might be that Haleigh might not have been wearing a shirt and pink underwear, so I am really thinking that this girl has been lying to cover her ass because she apparently has seen Ronnie rage and LE has not said positively that she has passed a polygraph and until she has, she is still on my list.

Drew, I am glad that you also see that these people are pure D white trash, did you get a gander at his record? He should not have custody of those kids and I hope if Haleigh is found alive that CPS snaps them, why is it people like this can breed like rabbits and good, decent folks who have love in their hearts, more than enough to support them and can't have any biologically or having to resort to expensive treatments to try to have a child or as a last resort, they adopt and trash like this just calves them out, and today finding out that Crystal has another child fills me with disgust, she loses custody of the first two, but hey, let's calve out another one with the new loser. There was a woman here who had five kids, all taken by the state and I asked a welfare official why don't they make people like this piece of welfare trash get her tubes tied and I was told that it is against her rights to force her, so she can keep calving them out and the state will continue to snap them.

One child was adopted to only be murdered by his adoptive mother and this case broke my heart. The little boy who was 7 was first brought into this world by a loser who was living with a Level III sex offender who turns out to be Daddy to three more, and then gets adopted by a woman who clearly should never had kids at all. She is doing LWPOP and her loser husband got 60-life. After Ricky was murdered, bio mommy tries to sue the state for MONEY because of his death even though she had no parental rights, she lost. The next time I hear anything about her, she whines to a local station that once again she has had number 6 and the state is snapping it and she whines that because Hubby ( she is now married to that POS) can't find work because he is a SO, and if they don't have the WELFARE CHECK they won't be able to live, yeah, living in a motel. Whining to the media did not work, this whole state had heard about her, and if she thought people were just gonna show up with cash in hand, she was sadly mistaken, a clear case of welfare abuse and this load of losers are of the same caliber. So lots of things here are not adding up, and I am curious as to what LE knows and has not shared.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, Crystal's youngest is a girl named Chloe, ten months.

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

According to one of the court documents filed, Crystal now has a driver's license and car, a full-time job, and a home and mortgage.

[javahog]

Polite request here: can we drop the term "white trash"? Socio-economic factors and their debate, cool, I can understand, but race shouldn't be thrown in, imo...

[Lodi]

Why is Misty so unreliable as a witness? Is she like that all the time and can't help it? She equates 3 or 4 feet as being 3 or 4 inches. A cinder block is a brick. She described Haleigh as weighing 40 to 60 llbs. Maybe something scared her so much that she can't think. I've wondered if a stranger came to the house Monday evening and took Haleigh while Misty was still awake. They may have threatened to kill Haleigh if Misty told the truth of what happened. She may have told Ronald what happened and they decided to report Haleigh missing but not openly tell about the abductor. Maybe they told the police in private but everyone is keeping the true facts a secret. This sounds a little wild but the story they are telling seems wild also.

[wind149]

Well at least she is working, I am actually glad to hear that. But if she is doing so well how come she does not have custody?? I have a little more empathy for her than I do the father, but she is clueless when she comes to her children, case in point, she had no idea Haleigh was missing school, she knows nothing about Misti, and that disturbs me. And on Jane tonight it was brought up again that Misti might not have been home that night, now LE is following up on that, but it makes sense to me. Tonight on Jane, she played a tape from the very next day and she claims they all were in one bed, and then she played a tape from a couple of days later where she says that Haleigh and Junior were in their own beds, to then she and Junior were in her bed and Haleigh was by herself, so you all tell me, what to believe from this dumb girl.

A lot more is gonna come out as the days pass and I really hope they find her alive, but it has been 8 days now and no sign of her. I truly hope LE has cleared the 44 SO's. I wonder if they would polygraph them? You can search their homes all you want, you can try to get an alibi, but we all know how cunning and sly they are, they can convince someone to lie for them, like this. "LE will look to me first because I am a RSO and I have done nothing wrong, but just in case, can I tell them I was with you"??? I just heard on NG that the paternal granny is sure that Misti was home all night as a family member stopped by? Was that the one that is a SO? And we heard more of the 911 tape where I clearly heard Ronnie say to Misti, "how did you let my child get stole b***h??? How could he only knowing her a few months trust this girl with his children? Simple, because he is uneducated loser and I am appalled that the courts gave him custody, makes me wonder how bad Mommy's record is, any way to dig that up? And she lives 150 miles away??? SO many things are not adding up here, this is getting to be as bad as when Caylee first came up missing.

[old_soul]

It would be insane for the psycho/freak (LOVE that description that the GGmother gave) to have discarded that shirt. And you would fully expect Misty to know exactly what Haleigh was wearing to bed considering that she went through the rigamarole of taking the blanket down from the window and doing the load of laundry and tucking Haleigh in.


JVM had the reporter on who said 'her source' told her Misty might not have been in the home when Haleigh was taken.

Theresa Neves, Haleigh's Grandma, is standing by Misty, saying that she Was in the home at the time. She (grandama) is saying that anyone who knows her son knows he is very protective of his kids. She also feels it is someone who knows he wasn't home, and possibly knows the family.

Sorry, but I don't even believe this girl tucks these kids in at all. Now that the pink T shirt is in LE's hands, what does that tell us? I wouldn't doubt she wasn't in the home, I think she could not fess up that part because she knows he'd kill
her. Poor Haleigh's immune system is poor because of the Turners Syndrome. She's been in the hospital many times, poor kid. So sad, her life already.

Tell me about the blanket ~ I missed that part.

[javahog]

THis may be unfair to some good babysitters out there, but...kids should not be trusted to watch kids.

One of the few times I was babysat as a kid, the babysitter went off to visit her boyfriend for a couple of hours. She had me hide under the stairs with a tv. I bet something akin to this happened.

[SuzDuJour]

Interesting commentary

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

WOW Loretta...these are the EXACT things that bothered me about his interview. I don't have any experience in lie detection, other than having dated a bunch of liars through the years...sigh.

[Native Alien]

There's a press conference going on right now. The amber alert has been changed. It now has endangered child instead of missing child. No explanation why. Also, now they don't know what she was wearing. LE states she was not wearing the pink shirt as originally stated.

Gator

LE has the pink shirt.

They explained the change in the status from Missing to Endangered as being simply a change in the Heading on the flyer. Apparently they (meaning LE) has templates that they use for making up the fliers. When they started it was a missing person like some of the seniors that just walk away from a care center or assisted living center.

When they had to print up more fliers they were at the stage that they say they believe Haleigh was abducted.

Hence the change in the status on the Amber Alert.

[SaraSidle]

well jmi opinion but now I am hearing that Misti was not even in the trailer when Haleigh went missing. this is leaving me with a rotten feeling with her and all her lies/stories. Something is so very hinky. I am sorry for Haleigh. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

JVM had the reporter on who said 'her source' told her Misty might not have been in the home when Haleigh was taken.

Theresa Neves, Haleigh's Grandma, is standing by Misty, saying that she Was in the home at the time. She (grandama) is saying that anyone who knows her son knows he is very protective of his kids. She also feels it is someone who knows he wasn't home, and possibly knows the family.

Sorry, but I don't even believe this girl tucks these kids in at all. Now that the pink T shirt is in LE's hands, what does that tell us? I wouldn't doubt she wasn't in the home, I think she could not fess up that part because she knows he'd kill
her. Poor Haleigh's immune system is poor because of the Turners Syndrome. She's been in the hospital many times, poor kid. So sad, her life already.

Tell me about the blanket ~ I missed that part.

I caught most of JVM and bits and pieces of NG. First, let me say that Drew Fin(d)ley is incorrect about the age of majority/consent in FL, it is eighteen, not sixteen like it is in George where he practices. Okay, I feel better getting that off my chest.

I saw that Mrs.Neves is standing by Misty, and bully for her. If she cannot see, let alone question why this girl can't give a consistent account of Monday night/Tuesday morning, she's got problems. It was interesting that she says that relatives saw Haleigh wearing the pink tee shirt that night when they visited and dropped off some clothing. Interesting that Mrs. Neves says that the delay in the 911 call was because Misty was searching the home for Haleigh. Hellllllllooooooo How long could that possibly take? Two minutes? Three? And if Misty was searching every room, every closet, and every nook and cranny, why didn't she see the pink tee shirt? Because Haleigh was wearing it and it was discarded outside the home?

The deal with the blanket as I understand it, is that Haleigh had wet the bed Sunday night, and since the blanket smelled "like pee", and "they" had taken the other blanket in the van (sorry, I have no idea what that means), she had to take a blanket off the window and wash it for Haleigh to use to sleep that night.

[Native Alien]

Well at least she is working, I am actually glad to hear that. But if she is doing so well how come she does not have custody?? I have a little more empathy for her than I do the father, but she is clueless when she comes to her children, case in point, she had no idea Haleigh was missing school, she knows nothing about Misti, and that disturbs me. And on Jane tonight it was brought up again that Misti might not have been home that night, now LE is following up on that, but it makes sense to me. Tonight on Jane, she played a tape from the very next day and she claims they all were in one bed, and then she played a tape from a couple of days later where she says that Haleigh and Junior were in their own beds, to then she and Junior were in her bed and Haleigh was by herself, so you all tell me, what to believe from this dumb girl.

A lot more is gonna come out as the days pass and I really hope they find her alive, but it has been 8 days now and no sign of her. I truly hope LE has cleared the 44 SO's. I wonder if they would polygraph them? You can search their homes all you want, you can try to get an alibi, but we all know how cunning and sly they are, they can convince someone to lie for them, like this. "LE will look to me first because I am a RSO and I have done nothing wrong, but just in case, can I tell them I was with you"??? I just heard on NG that the paternal granny is sure that Misti was home all night as a family member stopped by? Was that the one that is a SO? And we heard more of the 911 tape where I clearly heard Ronnie say to Misti, "how did you let my child get stole b***h??? How could he only knowing her a few months trust this girl with his children? Simple, because he is uneducated loser and I am appalled that the courts gave him custody, makes me wonder how bad Mommy's record is, any way to dig that up? And she lives 150 miles away??? SO many things are not adding up here, this is getting to be as bad as when Caylee first came up missing.

The mother had a admitted drug problem at one time. She has been trying to get custody back, but she had to meet the court's requirements first. As far as she knew, Ronald was living with his mother. She was not allowed to talk to the kids unless it was her weekend to have them. She only got them from 6:00 p.m. Friday until 6:00 p.m. on Sunday. She had never met Misti before all of this happened.

If you read the PDF file of the custody case it will explain why she doesn't have custody.

[lorettalockhorn]

WOW Loretta...these are the EXACT things that bothered me about his interview. I don't have any experience in lie detection, other than having dated a bunch of liars through the years...sigh.

HAH! I'm the president of Sh!t Magnets Anonymous! :hat: I can tell when someone is lying to everyone except me.

[Native Alien]

I caught most of JVM and bits and pieces of NG. First, let me say that Drew Fin(d)ley is incorrect about the age of majority/consent in FL, it is eighteen, not sixteen like it is in George where he practices. Okay, I feel better getting that off my chest.

I saw that Mrs.Neves is standing by Misty, and bully for her. If she cannot see, let alone question why this girl can't give a consistent account of Monday night/Tuesday morning, she's got problems. It was interesting that she says that relatives saw Haleigh wearing the pink tee shirt that night when they visited and dropped off some clothing. Interesting that Mrs. Neves says that the delay in the 911 call was because Misty was searching the home for Haleigh. Hellllllllooooooo How long could that possibly take? Two minutes? Three? And if Misty was searching every room, every closet, and every nook and cranny, why didn't she see the pink tee shirt? Because Haleigh was wearing it and it was discarded outside the home?

The deal with the blanket as I understand it, is that Haleigh had wet the bed Sunday night, and since the blanket smelled "like pee", and "they" had taken the other blanket in the van (sorry, I have no idea what that means), she had to take a blanket off the window and wash it for Haleigh to use to sleep that night.

Haleigh had peed the bed Sunday night. So Misti, took the blanket that was up to the window and Haleigh's blanket and washed them. She gave Haleigh a sheet to cover up with while the blankets were being washed. When the blankets were done, she covered Haleigh up with her blanket and Misti used the blanket that was up to the window, because someone had taken Misti's blanket in a van.

At least that is the way that I understand it.

[javahog]

Haleigh had peed the bed Sunday night. So Misti, took the blanket that was up to the window and Haleigh's blanket and washed them. She gave Haleigh a sheet to cover up with while the blankets were being washed. When the blankets were done, she covered Haleigh up with her blanket and Misti used the blanket that was up to the window, because someone had taken Misti's blanket in a van.

At least that is the way that I understand it.

Who in the "van" and why?

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh had peed the bed Sunday night. So Misti, took the blanket that was up to the window and Haleigh's blanket and washed them. She gave Haleigh a sheet to cover up with while the blankets were being washed. When the blankets were done, she covered Haleigh up with her blanket and Misti used the blanket that was up to the window, because someone had taken Misti's blanket in a van.

At least that is the way that I understand it.

I thought that's what I conveyed. Sorry for any confusion. Does anyone know who "they" is?

I'l save my criticism of Misty and/or Ron not having stripped and laundered the urine soaked bedding immediately after Haleigh's accident.

[lighthousedazy]

Interesting tonight on NG, one caller noted that Misti's eyes were dilated on that tape of the first interview. I hadn't noticed until I saw the video tonight. The grandmother on the phone chalked it up to her crying all night. It's just my opinion but I didn't think crying would cause your eyes to dilate.

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting tonight on NG, one caller noted that Misti's eyes were dilated on that tape of the first interview. I hadn't noticed until I saw the video tonight. The grandmother on the phone chalked it up to her crying all night. It's just my opinion but I didn't think crying would cause your eyes to dilate.

Eighty causes of dilated pupils:

http://symptoms.wrongdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/dilated-pupils-desc.htm

ETA: Don't see crying on the list.

[DrewBerry]

Wind, thank you for the welcome. At the risk of generalizing, I have become increasingly outraged and disgusted that people like this group tend to keep having kids they have no business having. I've been working as a child and family therapist for several years now and most of my caseload consists of high risk, high need kids who are innocent victims of parental neglect and abuse. And as we all know, most grow up to repeat the same old cycle. My opinions may be harsh but I see these damaged kids every day of the week and my "compassion meter" runs low for these parents.

Ronnie may appear to be distraught (maybe on some level he is) but it's all for the camera. I can't buy that all of sudden he is a concerned father. Misti is young and stupid and now it seems that she may have left those kids alone for awhile. She's lying to cover her own skin. Crystal. . . she didn't care enough to fight for her children and follow up with court hearing but has time and energy to socialize on myspace. I don't feel sorry for any of them. Their children are paying the price for their lifestyles.
Just my opinion. . .
Drew

[TheSkwerl]

I have the feeling that this is turning into a carbon copy of the Caylee Anthony case (rest her soul). IMO, a red flag popped up for me when it was mentioned that Haleigh had a bedwetting problem. Kids usually bedwet when they are scared, which tells me that maybe something was going on in that house for a while (abuse?) and it peaked that night, and maybe Misti had enough of Haleigh and her bedwetting and having to clean up after her and finally dealt the "final blow" and ended her having to be "mom" to someone else's kids. Was it ever mentioned if the little boy showed signs of abuse?
My thoughts come from a blurb on the news tonite from Misti that she said that Haleigh was sleeping 4ft away from her and didn't see or hear anything. Really? Really, Misti? She had to be really out of it not to hear/feel Haleigh being taken. It all just smacks too much of Casey Anthony. Did she start a trend? I hope not.
Also, another question for anyone, are the results of lie detector tests admissable in Florida court?
OT, Loretta, you crack me up!!!!!

[DrewBerry]

Haleigh had peed the bed Sunday night. So Misti, took the blanket that was up to the window and Haleigh's blanket and washed them. She gave Haleigh a sheet to cover up with while the blankets were being washed. When the blankets were done, she covered Haleigh up with her blanket and Misti used the blanket that was up to the window, because someone had taken Misti's blanket in a van.

At least that is the way that I understand it.

What's the deal with a van? Was it Misti's cousin who stopped by? I think some details are starting to spill out---I gotta believe that LE has a good idea about what happened in this case. It's just a matter of time before it all comes together and it does not look good for little Haleigh.