Haleigh Cummings 5yrs old Missing

[wind149]

Nawny, Thanks for the kudos, makes me want to write more to know people appreciate it!! As for the rat business, it just proves how low-life and how much he is a danger to his son and someone needs to step in and take that child!! What the hell is CPS waiting for? God, I truly believe that Satsuma is only full of low lifes and idiots for cops!! I mean this loser puts a rat in his kin in law's mailbox, a person observes him doing it and no action is taken?? And he has been watching too many movies, the real Mafia would not put a rat in a mailbox, he would just be found dead!!! I think someone from outside FL needs to call CPS and I think I just might do it as I am not afraid to speak my mind!! I do not want Jr to suffer anymore and I really think especially after this, needs to file for custody because this child is not being raised right, especially when I think his "stepmommy" is the main suspect in Haleigh's disappearance and his father is a complete scumbag with a hair trigger temper and I truly believe that he has beat his kids!!!

I am not afraid of that scumbag one bit, but it seems like a lot of people are and he enjoys that fact, the typical low-life mentality, thinks he is a big shot when it fact, he is just a complete loser! And how is he supporting everyone? I don't suppose Granny is picking up the tab??? I suspect he does not like to work, and using Haleigh is just an excuse to be a lazy scumbucket! I love it when he says attention focused on him takes away the focus from Haleigh? Who is he kidding??? He calls up on a phone and makes threats and then goes over to his in-laws and gets into with his brother-in-law and he did not think that this would hit the media???? Everyone I talk to about this case thinks just like I have from day one when everyone was getting down on me, that these people were low life's and just plain white trash and so far, he has proved me right on the money??? I can see through people and I called it right on this clan and I hate him and his honey pie for putting Jr through hell!! Here is a little innocent boy who knows that his big sissy is missing, he saw a man in black, but he does not understand why this happened and it broke my heart when I read the article where if someone buys him candy or a toy, he will ask them to buy one for his sissy too!!! And Misty KNOWS what she is doing to him and does not care and neither does his scum father and I think Misty should be ordered to get fixed, we do not need those two having a child!!! Pure D scum both of them and the sight of both of them makes me puke!!!

[deacon]

Nawny, Thanks for the kudos, makes me want to write more to know people appreciate it!! As for the rat business, it just proves how low-life and how much he is a danger to his son and someone needs to step in and take that child!! What the hell is CPS waiting for? God, I truly believe that Satsuma is only full of low lifes and idiots for cops!! I mean this loser puts a rat in his kin in law's mailbox, a person observes him doing it and no action is taken?? And he has been watching too many movies, the real Mafia would not put a rat in a mailbox, he would just be found dead!!! I think someone from outside FL needs to call CPS and I think I just might do it as I am not afraid to speak my mind!! I do not want Jr to suffer anymore and I really think especially after this, needs to file for custody because this child is not being raised right, especially when I think his "stepmommy" is the main suspect in Haleigh's disappearance and his father is a complete scumbag with a hair trigger temper and I truly believe that he has beat his kids!!!

I am not afraid of that scumbag one bit, but it seems like a lot of people are and he enjoys that fact, the typical low-life mentality, thinks he is a big shot when it fact, he is just a complete loser! And how is he supporting everyone? I don't suppose Granny is picking up the tab??? I suspect he does not like to work, and using Haleigh is just an excuse to be a lazy scumbucket! I love it when he says attention focused on him takes away the focus from Haleigh? Who is he kidding??? He calls up on a phone and makes threats and then goes over to his in-laws and gets into with his brother-in-law and he did not think that this would hit the media???? Everyone I talk to about this case thinks just like I have from day one when everyone was getting down on me, that these people were low life's and just plain white trash and so far, he has proved me right on the money??? I can see through people and I called it right on this clan and I hate him and his honey pie for putting Jr through hell!! Here is a little innocent boy who knows that his big sissy is missing, he saw a man in black, but he does not understand why this happened and it broke my heart when I read the article where if someone buys him candy or a toy, he will ask them to buy one for his sissy too!!! And Misty KNOWS what she is doing to him and does not care and neither does his scum father and I think Misty should be ordered to get fixed, we do not need those two having a child!!! Pure D scum both of them and the sight of both of them makes me puke!!!

I'd like to know if he has a worker's comp record.

[ErrinSpelling]

828.12. Cruelty to animals

(1) A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

(2) A person who intentionally commits an act to any animal which results in the cruel death, or excessive or repeated infliction of unnecessary pain or suffering, or causes the same to be done, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or both...

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cruelty/fl_cruel.htm
wow, ty for all these stories...i am so glad you put this here...i know some people are afraid of rats, but anyone who tortures , beheads,a poor defenseless animal is a SOCIOPATH in my book & i believe pat brown's book, LE's book, psychiatry books........

[ErrinSpelling]

Isn't this the guy who is a friend of the Croslin family and/or Ron and Misty?:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755778&IMG=55520

I see NeNe is back in jail with no bond listed, maybe while she has the DTs she'll tell us more about the world of Misty:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755794&IMG=37631

i think so.. i think there is a donald lee sapp & a donald william sapp.

bunch of criminals.:cuss:

[ErrinSpelling]

Nawny, Thanks for the kudos, makes me want to write more to know people appreciate it!! As for the rat business, it just proves how low-life and how much he is a danger to his son and someone needs to step in and take that child!! What the hell is CPS waiting for? God, I truly believe that Satsuma is only full of low lifes and idiots for cops!! I mean this loser puts a rat in his kin in law's mailbox, a person observes him doing it and no action is taken?? And he has been watching too many movies, the real Mafia would not put a rat in a mailbox, he would just be found dead!!! I think someone from outside FL needs to call CPS and I think I just might do it as I am not afraid to speak my mind!! I do not want Jr to suffer anymore and I really think especially after this, needs to file for custody because this child is not being raised right, especially when I think his "stepmommy" is the main suspect in Haleigh's disappearance and his father is a complete scumbag with a hair trigger temper and I truly believe that he has beat his kids!!!

I am not afraid of that scumbag one bit, but it seems like a lot of people are and he enjoys that fact, the typical low-life mentality, thinks he is a big shot when it fact, he is just a complete loser! And how is he supporting everyone? I don't suppose Granny is picking up the tab??? I suspect he does not like to work, and using Haleigh is just an excuse to be a lazy scumbucket! I love it when he says attention focused on him takes away the focus from Haleigh? Who is he kidding??? He calls up on a phone and makes threats and then goes over to his in-laws and gets into with his brother-in-law and he did not think that this would hit the media???? Everyone I talk to about this case thinks just like I have from day one when everyone was getting down on me, that these people were low life's and just plain white trash and so far, he has proved me right on the money??? I can see through people and I called it right on this clan and I hate him and his honey pie for putting Jr through hell!! Here is a little innocent boy who knows that his big sissy is missing, he saw a man in black, but he does not understand why this happened and it broke my heart when I read the article where if someone buys him candy or a toy, he will ask them to buy one for his sissy too!!! And Misty KNOWS what she is doing to him and does not care and neither does his scum father and I think Misty should be ordered to get fixed, we do not need those two having a child!!! Pure D scum both of them and the sight of both of them makes me puke!!!

cps doesn't care. ..and it sounds like LE doesn't care either ,if still all they want, after ron was arrested is to return haleigh to her family...are they insane?..what family..they can't mean crystal, b/c ron has custody...after 15 arrests & maybe 16 if he is arrested for usps offense & torture of animal, but i think he has scared the witness now...

[ErrinSpelling]

i am watching HLN,vinnie politan is in for JVM...was tring to find out the name of the woman driving the wrong way, to tell amy & i don't think anyone is using her name, but vinnie just showed a picture of ron & told the rat in the mailbox story.

[Nawny]

Nawny, Thanks for the kudos, makes me want to write more to know people appreciate it!! As for the rat business, it just proves how low-life and how much he is a danger to his son and someone needs to step in and take that child!! What the hell is CPS waiting for? God, I truly believe that Satsuma is only full of low lifes and idiots for cops!! I mean this loser puts a rat in his kin in law's mailbox, a person observes him doing it and no action is taken?? And he has been watching too many movies, the real Mafia would not put a rat in a mailbox, he would just be found dead!!! I think someone from outside FL needs to call CPS and I think I just might do it as I am not afraid to speak my mind!! I do not want Jr to suffer anymore and I really think especially after this, needs to file for custody because this child is not being raised right, especially when I think his "stepmommy" is the main suspect in Haleigh's disappearance and his father is a complete scumbag with a hair trigger temper and I truly believe that he has beat his kids!!!

I am not afraid of that scumbag one bit, but it seems like a lot of people are and he enjoys that fact, the typical low-life mentality, thinks he is a big shot when it fact, he is just a complete loser! And how is he supporting everyone? I don't suppose Granny is picking up the tab??? I suspect he does not like to work, and using Haleigh is just an excuse to be a lazy scumbucket! I love it when he says attention focused on him takes away the focus from Haleigh? Who is he kidding??? He calls up on a phone and makes threats and then goes over to his in-laws and gets into with his brother-in-law and he did not think that this would hit the media???? Everyone I talk to about this case thinks just like I have from day one when everyone was getting down on me, that these people were low life's and just plain white trash and so far, he has proved me right on the money??? I can see through people and I called it right on this clan and I hate him and his honey pie for putting Jr through hell!! Here is a little innocent boy who knows that his big sissy is missing, he saw a man in black, but he does not understand why this happened and it broke my heart when I read the article where if someone buys him candy or a toy, he will ask them to buy one for his sissy too!!! And Misty KNOWS what she is doing to him and does not care and neither does his scum father and I think Misty should be ordered to get fixed, we do not need those two having a child!!! Pure D scum both of them and the sight of both of them makes me puke!!!

You're welcome for the kudos wind. Your book ought to be a best seller. It's time for people to stop pussy footing around with these criminals. I also don't understand why the boy is still with those pond scum fools. This last act should make DCYF pay attention. Scummings is not exactly a good power of example for a child. Misty is mentally challenged all day. They are morally bankrupt and should NOT be around children.

[deacon]

You're welcome for the kudos wind. Your book ought to be a best seller. It's time for people to stop pussy footing around with these criminals. I also don't understand why the boy is still with those pond scum fools. This last act should make DCYF pay attention. Scummings is not exactly a good power of example for a child. Misty is mentally challenged all day. They are morally bankrupt and should NOT be around children.

The reason child services is so messed up is that it is run by the state government. Problem with anything run by the government is funding. They will fund people at the top with so much pay that they can not afford to pay the people who actually do the work. Have you ever noticed that when budgets are cut they cut the people who actually do something and not the "big wigs" who sit in an office and tell others what to do? The place to make effective cuts is in the main office at the capital not out in the field where the real work takes place. But both parties do it. It is called "kingdom building." If I have enough people working for me when the big cuts come, I am safe. Know what I mean?

[lorettalockhorn]

i am watching HLN,vinnie politan is in for JVM...was tring to find out the name of the woman driving the wrong way, to tell amy & i don't think anyone is using her name, but vinnie just showed a picture of ron & told the rat in the mailbox story.

Aww I like Vinnie, but missed JVM tonight. What did the THs have to say about the pathology of whoever did the Rat In the Mailbox thing? Sociopath? Psychopath? Meth head? All of the above? A neighbor is on the record as having witnessed Ron's pickemup truck on the street that night.

Is the wrong-way driver you're talking about Diane Shuler on Long Island? Horrible story and apparently completely preventable. I heard on NG tonight that one of the little girls (a niece of the drunk mommy) called someone(?) to say that something was wrong. The woman's husband is in complete and total denial, one of the shrinks says that he is repressing the truth. Sounds like the Anthonys. Also sounds like this guy may be held accountable to some degree.

[lorettalockhorn]

The reason child services is so messed up is that it is run by the state government. Problem with anything run by the government is funding. They will fund people at the top with so much pay that they can not afford to pay the people who actually do the work. Have you ever noticed that when budgets are cut they cut the people who actually do something and not the "big wigs" who sit in an office and tell others what to do? The place to make effective cuts is in the main office at the capital not out in the field where the real work takes place. But both parties do it. It is called "kingdom building." If I have enough people working for me when the big cuts come, I am safe. Know what I mean?

Great post deacon! I have to wonder WTH people take caseworker jobs though if they're going to have such a lackadaisical attitude. It's almost as perplexing as why people perpetrate crimes on their vulnerable victims.

[Marian Paroo]

Given the record of CPS in FL, and other bits of lawmaking, it looks like that state only cares about you if you are a fetus or in a PVS. :(

Hey, I know people, and political parties here with the same feelings, but they haven't managed to make their ideas law, thank goodness!

[deacon]

Zero respect for that judge. But they're humans just like the rest of us and they make stupid mistakes just like the rest of us. Too bad this guy's may have cost Haleigh her life. Hope he gets a clearer picture of what's going on with Cummings when this next hearing comes up.

Well I really doubt that was the only reason he gave him custody. Here, it takes an act of congress for a father to have custody. There is more to that story than we know, IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well I really doubt that was the only reason he gave him custody. Here, it takes an act of congress for a father to have custody. There is more to that story than we know, IMO.

What I can glean from reading, is that the facts that Ron had a job and a support system in place and that Crystal had no DL and Haleigh had missed doc appointments was a huge part of the judge's reasoning. And I guess that was balanced in his favor against all of his arrests and drug involvement.

At this point, Ron doesn't work, and according to GGMS can't sleep and lies on the floor crying and praying at night. Meanwhile Crystal, despite her loss and medical issues is working and I'll assume staying current with support payments.

Someone posted here that the Cummingses are soliciting donations for Ron to support his family, but haven't seen any proof of that allegation. BUT you can believe that if Ron got up off his arse and went to work, it would be widely reported. He threw away what seemed to be a good job simply because he didn't communicate with his place of employment. But hey! He doesn't appear to be communicating with LE either.

[ErrinSpelling]

Aww I like Vinnie, but missed JVM tonight. What did the THs have to say about the pathology of whoever did the Rat In the Mailbox thing? Sociopath? Psychopath? Meth head? All of the above? A neighbor is on the record as having witnessed Ron's pickemup truck on the street that night.

Is the wrong-way driver you're talking about Diane Shuler on Long Island? Horrible story and apparently completely preventable. I heard on NG tonight that one of the little girls (a niece of the drunk mommy) called someone(?) to say that something was wrong. The woman's husband is in complete and total denial, one of the shrinks says that he is repressing the truth. Sounds like the Anthonys. Also sounds like this guy may be held accountable to some degree.
is that her name? thank-you!

no TH said anything about her..it was part of "the chopping block" & lasted about 30 seconds...i didn't realize ,but JVM comes on again, after NG , now, at 9 est.
the husbands attorney is now using the anbesol defense...alcohol came from the anbesol, b/c of her tooth problem....that lawyer is just making her look worse, b/c 1. a different kind of alcohol is in anbesol.
2. she had the equivelant of 10 drinks.......

[ErrinSpelling]

What I can glean from reading, is that the facts that Ron had a job and a support system in place and that Crystal had no DL and Haleigh had missed doc appointments was a huge part of the judge's reasoning. And I guess that was balanced in his favor against all of his arrests and drug involvement.

At this point, Ron doesn't work, and according to GGMS can't sleep and lies on the floor crying and praying at night. Meanwhile Crystal, despite her loss and medical issues is working and I'll assume staying current with support payments.

Someone posted here that the Cummingses are soliciting donations for Ron to support his family, but haven't seen any proof of that allegation. BUT you can believe that if Ron got up off his arse and went to work, it would be widely reported. He threw away what seemed to be a good job simply because he didn't communicate with his place of employment. But hey! He doesn't appear to be communicating with LE either.

remember how the judges order said he had a job that could provide health ins. for the children...oh & how he was supposed to live with his mother...
i think that's the main reason they are at ggmas now.............

that is so true.if he had a job.it would be written everywhere, just like they are writing misty got a driver's license...misty isn't communicating with LE either. her attorney told her not to.jmo , b/c i haven't seen a link, but that is what the ronette's are reporting.

[deacon]

What I can glean from reading, is that the facts that Ron had a job and a support system in place and that Crystal had no DL and Haleigh had missed doc appointments was a huge part of the judge's reasoning. And I guess that was balanced in his favor against all of his arrests and drug involvement.

At this point, Ron doesn't work, and according to GGMS can't sleep and lies on the floor crying and praying at night. Meanwhile Crystal, despite her loss and medical issues is working and I'll assume staying current with support payments.

Someone posted here that the Cummingses are soliciting donations for Ron to support his family, but haven't seen any proof of that allegation. BUT you can believe that if Ron got up off his arse and went to work, it would be widely reported. He threw away what seemed to be a good job simply because he didn't communicate with his place of employment. But hey! He doesn't appear to be communicating with LE either.

I don't think communication is his strong point. Hard to communicate when you don't shut your trap. Listening is part of communication. I guess men have a problem with that sometimes. Some of us think that communication is sort of like: "Hold my beer and watch this Bubba."

[beemer]

So the Scummings's want the world to support them now. Gee i will get right on that. I think there is more behind it with rotten Ronny losing his job. Dont cha get that warm fuzzy feeling just knowing where the $ would go. Is Misty not capable of working or is she writhing on the floor in a state of despair also :mad: She is dumb as ditch water tho so i cant see her ciphering being top notch :flamemad: Maybe he should spend more time praying and less time looking for road kill rats or lopping their heads off himself :cuss: At a mall yesterday i saw a booth with a demonstrator sitting on a chair smoking an electric ciggy. A quit smoking thing. Blows what looks like smoke too. Misty could do that. Yep she could :cuss:

[wind149]

Since I am pretty sure that Misti has about a 3rd grade education level and a mentality even lower than a third grader it is safe to assume the only job this dumb broad could get would be packing groceries at the local Piggly Wiggly or maybe flipping burgers, but she apparently does not have to work??? I did call CPS down there today in Jacksonville as that is their jurisdiction and I got a guy who I had a complete rapport with, in fact he was downright cool!!! He totally agreed with every one of my complaints and especially my deep concern for Junior and how they need to get him out of asswipe's custody and he had not heard about the rat incident and was appalled to learn of it!! So maybe CPS or like we call them in NE, DCYF, will actually do something because this guy was mystified as to why a woman from MI would call him? I told him of my suspicions of Misti and her inability to be a "mother figure" and I told him what I thought of this whole clan and while his hands are tied as far as confidentiality goes, he listened to every one of my concerns and promised me that there NOW would be some changes going on and I pray that means that JR will be removed from his custody!

He is not working and I know that he no longer has insurance so how is he supporting his child??? This guy has worked there for 22 years and you can tell he is as jaded as I when it comes to humanity and what people are capable of doing and I asked him what he thinks happened to Haleigh and he sighed and said, that she is probably dead and I told him I think she died that night by Misti's hand and he said he would not be surprised either if that was the case and in his opinion, they are low life's and I am hoping that by me calling all the way from MI, 3,000 miles away, that action will be taken!!! As far as the rat goes, if he had put a dead kitten in there, he would be charged with animal cruelty, but a rat is not considered a family pet so I guess in the eyes of the law, while completely disgusting, they can't arrest him for anything? If he damaged the mailbox, then he could be charged with vandalism. Seems this POS just skates on the letter of the law and after extensively reading his record, I feel confident to say that he has rolled on people to beat some of those charges, so who is the biggest RAT of them all???

I saw the one charge for possession of a controlled substance, namely, Vicodin of which he did not have a script for and that charge here would net somebody at least a year in prison. The fray charges stem from a bar brawl and I am wondering if that was the same honky tonk my friend went to because she was told by the same woman who thinks the cops are dolts, that asswipe had been barred for fighting and this place is a dump, it just happens to have really good food and that is the only reason my friend went there and she told me she could see him partying the night away because all the people appeared to look like they were straight out of Deliverance and she said the mentality level was very low! Waitress could not even count change back from a $20! Needless to say, my friend came back here, she found she did not like FL at all and came back two weeks ago and I am glad she is back!!! So I feel good after talking to "Mike" and I got the impression that he does care about people and is not one of those caseworkers that blame the caseloads on why they don't do their jobs effectively. Time will tell.

[beemer]

Good for you Wind for taking a stand :beer: Lets hope at least Junior can be removed if nothing else. So much time has passed and I truly wonder if her body will ever be found :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, good for you making that call! How could anyone in FL not have heard about the rat incident?!

If LE won't press charges for animal cruelty against the perpetrator maye they'll at least haul in him for violation of postal code:

3.1.3 Use for Mail
Except under 3.2.11, Newspaper Receptacle, the receptacles described in 3.1.1 may be used only for matter bearing postage. Other than as permitted by 3.2.10, Delivery of Unstamped Newspapers, or 3.2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle.


http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/508.htm

And even though no one probably has any idea where the rat came from, it's not exactly rocket science to know that rat's can and do carry many infectious diseases:

http://www.abolishpestcontrol.com/RAT%20RELATED%20HEALTH%20HAZARDS.pdf

I'd find more of those vile conditions but I'm skeered. :eek:

[DrewBerry]

Way to go Wind! You are a true trailblazer!
Thanks for sharing the details of your conversation. Very interesting that the CPS worker was willing to share his opinion. Hopefully, he didn't provide his real name. :shrug:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

More help in search for Haleigh

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - High profile Orlando defense attorney Mark Nejame and Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller announced Friday they will be helping in the search for a missing Putnam County girl.

NeJame says he was contacted by the family of Haleigh Cummings to help them locate her and then reached out to Miller to also help the Cummings family search for missing five-year-old Haleigh Cumming. Photos of Haleigh

Putnam County Sheriff Investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped early on February 10th. The last person to see her was her father's girlfriend, now wife, Misty Croslin, who placed the 911 call alerting police to Haleigh's disappearance.

Though authorities still have no suspect in the case, police say the Cummings case is not yet cold. A gathering of various law enforcement agencies on June 5 determined that there are still leads to follow up on. If you have any information on Haleigh's disappearance, please call 911.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/081409_haleigh_search

[lorettalockhorn]

Search for missing Haleigh Cummings to get help from attorney Mark NeJame, EquuSearch

High-profile attorney Mark NeJame announced today that he and the non-profit search group Texas EquuSearch will help the family of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

NeJame, EquuSearch founder Tim Miller and the Cummings family will hold a press conference in Orlando on Monday to talk about their plans to proceed with the search.

Haleigh has been missing from her Satsuma home since February.

NeJame's office said he was contacted by Haleigh's relatives to help find the missing girl. The lawyer reached out to Miller, whose group helped search for Caylee Marie Anthony in Orange County.

NeJame once represented Caylee's grandparents.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-nejame-equusearch-cummings-081409,0,2131721.story

[lorettalockhorn]

NeJame, EquuSearch Join Search For Haleigh Cumming Local Attorney Says Family Asked For Help

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prominent Orlando attorney Mark NeJame is getting involved in the search for Haleigh Cummings.

NeJame said the missing girl's family asked him to help, and he then asked missing child advocate Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch to work with him.

NeJame and Miller also were involved in the search for Caylee Anthony, whose remains were found in December 2008 in Orange County. Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing from her home in Satsuma in February, and no trace of the girl has been found. A $35,000 reward remains available for her return.

In a news release, NeJame said he plans a news conference on Monday with Miller and the family.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20402040/detail.html

[beemer]

Thanks so much for the links Loretta. That is great news. Maybe now something will move forward here. I am thrilled that MN is on board and of course TM is a given. Anybody with enough sense to walk away from the Ant's is a stand up guy. I think the guy has heart as Tim does and maybe that is all thats needed. Someone who really cares to get this case moving. I look forward to the press conference. Maybe we will soon know if LE has more info or if they are just like the rest of the clan in that county. :rose: I hope the Scummings's are shakin in their boots right now. I wonder which family requested the help? I cant see it being Ron or Misty. Perhaps bio Mom-cant remember her name :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Beem! Back from my job as Mulch Queen. :hat:

Looking forward to the presser as well, so many questions! You do have to wonder who requested the search, seems like the only new news is Crystal's new attorney, maybe she instigated this? And why is NeJames a part of this? We know that he's TM's attorney in the Anthony circus, but is he necessary for the duration? If so, well, sheesh. LE had TES break camp six months ago, did it take attorney involvement to broker a search? If so, well, sheesh. Mother Teresa has been conspicuous by her absence, maybe she's behind this.

Bottom line: I can't think of anyone I'd rather have on the job than Tim Miller! Godspeed searchers.

[lorettalockhorn]

Texas EquuSearch, Orlando Lawyer To Help Search for Haleigh

More help in hopes of finding Haleigh Cummings might be on the way. High profile Orlando defense attorney Mark Nejame and Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller announced Friday they will be helping in the search for a missing Putnam County girl.
NeJame tells FOX 35 WOFL-TV he was contacted by the family of Haleigh Cummings to help them locate her and then reached out to Miller to also help the Cummings family search for missing five-year-old Haleigh Cumming.
Putnam County Sheriff Investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped early on February 10th. The last person to see her was her father's girlfriend, now wife, Misty Croslin, who placed the 911 call alerting police to Haleigh's disappearance.
Though authorities still have no suspect(s) in the case, police say the Cummings case is not yet cold. A gathering of various law enforcement agencies on June 5 determined that there are still leads to follow up on. If you have any information on Haleigh's disappearance, please call 911.
Earlier reports regarding the possibility of the return of Texas EquuSearch to the Haleigh case drew angry and disappointed responses from some family members who firmly believe that Haleigh is still alive.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5012555.php

Poor Haleigh. The girl has relatives (not unlike the Anthonys) who don't realize that TES does search and rescue, not simply recovery. If they believe that Haleigh is alive, who better to search. I mean, hey her father's not looking, may as well be someone.

[ErrinSpelling]

Texas EquuSearch, Orlando Lawyer To Help Search for Haleigh

More help in hopes of finding Haleigh Cummings might be on the way. High profile Orlando defense attorney Mark Nejame and Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller announced Friday they will be helping in the search for a missing Putnam County girl.
NeJame tells FOX 35 WOFL-TV he was contacted by the family of Haleigh Cummings to help them locate her and then reached out to Miller to also help the Cummings family search for missing five-year-old Haleigh Cumming.
Putnam County Sheriff Investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped early on February 10th. The last person to see her was her father's girlfriend, now wife, Misty Croslin, who placed the 911 call alerting police to Haleigh's disappearance.
Though authorities still have no suspect(s) in the case, police say the Cummings case is not yet cold. A gathering of various law enforcement agencies on June 5 determined that there are still leads to follow up on. If you have any information on Haleigh's disappearance, please call 911.
Earlier reports regarding the possibility of the return of Texas EquuSearch to the Haleigh case drew angry and disappointed responses from some family members who firmly believe that Haleigh is still alive.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5012555.php

Poor Haleigh. The girl has relatives (not unlike the Anthonys) who don't realize that TES does search and rescue, not simply recovery. If they believe that Haleigh is alive, who better to search. I mean, hey her father's not looking, may as well be someone.
yes and in all of these stories, they keep writing the family asked and some family were angry... well they obviously know who , but they apparently don't want to say.

[beemer]

Texas EquuSearch, Orlando Lawyer To Help Search for Haleigh

More help in hopes of finding Haleigh Cummings might be on the way. High profile Orlando defense attorney Mark Nejame and Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller announced Friday they will be helping in the search for a missing Putnam County girl.
NeJame tells FOX 35 WOFL-TV he was contacted by the family of Haleigh Cummings to help them locate her and then reached out to Miller to also help the Cummings family search for missing five-year-old Haleigh Cumming.
Putnam County Sheriff Investigators say Haleigh was kidnapped early on February 10th. The last person to see her was her father's girlfriend, now wife, Misty Croslin, who placed the 911 call alerting police to Haleigh's disappearance.
Though authorities still have no suspect(s) in the case, police say the Cummings case is not yet cold. A gathering of various law enforcement agencies on June 5 determined that there are still leads to follow up on. If you have any information on Haleigh's disappearance, please call 911.
Earlier reports regarding the possibility of the return of Texas EquuSearch to the Haleigh case drew angry and disappointed responses from some family members who firmly believe that Haleigh is still alive.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5012555.php

Poor Haleigh. The girl has relatives (not unlike the Anthonys) who don't realize that TES does search and rescue, not simply recovery. If they believe that Haleigh is alive, who better to search. I mean, hey her father's not looking, may as well be someone.

Hey mulch queen-glad u are taking a break. Yep as soon as i saw your bolding i thought of the Ants. Maybe we will see something good of this. I hope they can find poor Haleigh's body and get this case rolling with some charges. Pressure like this may make folks as airheaded as the Scummings duo crack. Here's hoping :rose:

[lighthousedazy]

I am glad that the TES is coming back and also that Mark Nejame is on board. It seems that this case has been abandoned for a while which is sad for little Haleigh's sake. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Interview with Marie and Teresa:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1216109081

[lorettalockhorn]

I am glad that the TES is coming back and also that Mark Nejame is on board. It seems that this case has been abandoned for a while which is sad for little Haleigh's sake. :rose:

So sad. Sure would like to see this family putting up a fuss to get answers.

[Amy]

Isn't this the guy who is a friend of the Croslin family and/or Ron and Misty?:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755778&IMG=55520

I see NeNe is back in jail with no bond listed, maybe while she has the DTs she'll tell us more about the world of Misty:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755794&IMG=37631

She has more failure to appears than Carter has liver pills, for pete's sake!!! What is it? She doesn't know where it is she's supposed to appear? The court time is too early in the day for her? Don't suppose it would be because she couldn't get off work--haven't read that she works anywhere. :biggrin:

[Amy]

is that her name? thank-you!

no TH said anything about her..it was part of "the chopping block" & lasted about 30 seconds...i didn't realize ,but JVM comes on again, after NG , now, at 9 est.
the husbands attorney is now using the anbesol defense...alcohol came from the anbesol, b/c of her tooth problem....that lawyer is just making her look worse, b/c 1. a different kind of alcohol is in anbesol.
2. she had the equivelant of 10 drinks.......

Must have used the ambesol in excesse, for it to be the equivalent of 10 drinks. Or, perhaps tho't the directions were to DRINK the ambesol?

[lighthousedazy]

Must have used the ambesol in excesse, for it to be the equivalent of 10 drinks. Or, perhaps tho't the directions were to DRINK the ambesol?Gosh this can't be true. there would be no anbesol on any store shelf. :eek: jmo

[Amy]

Thanks so much for the links Loretta. That is great news. Maybe now something will move forward here. I am thrilled that MN is on board and of course TM is a given. Anybody with enough sense to walk away from the Ant's is a stand up guy. I think the guy has heart as Tim does and maybe that is all thats needed. Someone who really cares to get this case moving. I look forward to the press conference. Maybe we will soon know if LE has more info or if they are just like the rest of the clan in that county. :rose: I hope the Scummings's are shakin in their boots right now. I wonder which family requested the help? I cant see it being Ron or Misty. Perhaps bio Mom-cant remember her name :shrug:

Wonder what LE will put forth in their own pc's or when reporters ask them about the return of TES. Wonder if it will be brought up anywhere about LE asking TES to leave? Wonder if even NG or JVM will approach that subject? It really would be interesting to know the truth behind asking them to leave, and behind calling off searches altogether.

Hmmm.....wonder if NeJames or Tim Miller have been given copies of the article about Ron's former co-workers' concerns? Perhaps the areas they are concerned about will be searched. Or, if LE has been there, searched further?

[lorettalockhorn]

TES Returning and Mark NeJame on board. August 16, 2009
Filed under: Uncategorized — justiceforhaleigh @ 10:03 am

It was announced on Friday that high profile Orlando attorney Mark Nejame announced that he, Tim Miller of Texas Eqqusearch and the Cummings family will hold a news conference on Monday, August 17 concerning Haleigh Cummings.



The Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-nejame-equusearch-cummings-081409,0,2131721.story) stated “NeJame, EquuSearch founder Tim Miller and the Cummings family will hold a press conference in Orlando on Monday to talk about their plans to proceed with the search.”



Word of NeJame’s involvement has been met with concerns and questions. We know that Mark NeJame represented TES in the Caylee Anthony case. We also know that he represented George and Cindy Anthony for a period of time while Caylee was missing while their daughter was the prime suspect. It was stated in that article that Haleigh’s family contacted him to help find Haleigh.

When NeJame resigned as counsel for George and Cindy Anthony, he released this statement:



http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2792560/Statement-from-Mark-NeJame-Resigning-as-Cindy-and-George-Anthonys-Attorney

Unfortunately, I have made the decision that it is best not to continue my representation of George and Cindy Anthony.

George and Cindy have a belief that their beloved granddaughter, Caylee, is still alive. Tips and leads continue to come in. I believe strongly that they should have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these “sightings” will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them. What parent or grandparent would surrender such hope?

Who is one person to tell another parent or grandparent when it is time for them to abandon their faith? When does a stranger have the right to judge another who has endured such a loss? The attacks made against them by some are deplorable.

Let them be to do what they feel they must to find their beloved granddaughter, Caylee. Knowing this case as well as probably anyone on earth, there is no doubt that they do not know where Caylee is. Allow them to walk their own path.
I only agreed to represent George and Cindy Anthony, so long as there were no restrictions placed on me whatsoever as to finding Caylee, regardless of where this might lead. Quite simply, this meant that I could do whatever I needed to find Caylee whether she was alive or not. It impressed me that George and Cindy, both believing that Caylee was still with us, had an overriding and primary concern in finding Caylee, even if the result was not as they would hope. The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense.

Abundant efforts have been made towards finding Caylee. I have worked with so many involved in this matter towards the goal of finding this dear, missing child who has captured the hearts of so many. Some ignorant and judgmental members of the public though have made hateful and inaccurate accusations against me and others, when they had no idea whatsoever what was really going on. As my new, good friend, Tim Miller from Equusearch, tells me “everybody associated with this case gets body slammed.” However, like Tim, when you know in your heart that you’re doing the right thing, you just move forward knowing that right will ultimately win out. Some have falsely accused me and some others of being in this for the money. If they only knew how utterly wrong and misguided they are.

I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other … an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth.

I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client’s prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.

As someone who has learned and knows the inner workings and details of the case and its various characters intimately, the rampant sensationalism and unfounded accusations must stop. Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption. Finally, the judicial system is in play and justice will be best served by mindless meddlers staying out of something they know little of. There are many wonderful people involved in efforts to find Caylee and there are, unfortunately, many who are exploiting this child. Sadly, most in the public are clueless about who is doing what and what is really going on. The negative actions of some are only counterproductive and hurtful to the cause of those many good people who are doing so much to do something positive with this most sad and tragic situation.



This statement speaks to NeJame’s desire in the Anthony case to respect his clients while drawing clear boundaries with regard to who and how he will offer legal advice. It appears that when the paths of attorney and client were divergent, NeJame chose to cease representation. That tells me that NeJame may have been unwilling to support the Anthony’s belief that their daughter was innocent and their refusal to cooperate with the investigation.



I sincerely hope that NeJame is offering advice to the Cummings family that will compel them to cooperate fully with the investigation into Haleigh’s disappearance. Given the statements of late from representatives of the PCSO as well as from Haleigh’s father, we know that Ron and Misty are not cooperating. Perhaps Mr. Nejame can convince them that they need to. And hopefully, that cooperation will lead investigators to Haleigh Cummings and the prosecution of the persons responsible for her disappearance.

http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

[lorettalockhorn]

She has more failure to appears than Carter has liver pills, for pete's sake!!! What is it? She doesn't know where it is she's supposed to appear? The court time is too early in the day for her? Don't suppose it would be because she couldn't get off work--haven't read that she works anywhere. :biggrin:

Ron's other baby mama is back in jail too for the same offense. Can't imagine forgetting to show up for court (considering the penalty!). :confused:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755885&IMG=56921

[lorettalockhorn]

Gosh this can't be true. there would be no anbesol on any store shelf. :eek: jmo

Can you imagine if isopropyl alcohol could miracle itself into ethyl alcohol? Man, that would make the human body an amazing chem lab. And we'd never be able to find anbesol or mouthwash or rubbing alcohol; so many things would be sold out (or shop lifted)!

[lorettalockhorn]

When Jane Velez Mitchell’s producer called to ask if we were available to do a quick update on the latest bizarre twist in the Haleigh Cummings mystery, we were 3,000 miles away from the sad and frustrating swampland that seems to have just plain swallowed up a beautiful little five year old girl.

Six months and nothing.

But with vigilant colleagues on both coasts, we got tipped to the arrest of Ronald Cummings for allegedly beating up on his bro’ in law the night before as we were driving down Ventura Boulevard, heading back to get some sleep after a day chasing some Michael Jackson twist.

We weren’t sure we heard it right and had to pull over before the news sent us into a telephone pole…

“Say what?” I asked.

Unbelievable…yet, totally believable.

Imagine this scenario:

Small town, grieving father, grieving mother, the newlyweds at close quarters living all couped up in Grandma’s trailer…17 year old babysitter turned Baby Wife who reported her husband’s baby girl missing…so many conflicts in her stories, say police, hard to keep track of them all, possibly knowing more than she’s told the cops who say she’s not talking any more…

Is it just a young couple facing tough times as they take care of Haleigh’s little brother and possibly running low on what’s left of the back child support jackpot...

A mini-bonanza Ron was indeed righteously owed, dispatched out of the blue on behalf of ex Crystal Sheffield by a generous Texas donor with NO prior ties to any player in the case. Just saw her on TV and wanted to help. No matter how loud whacko bloggers sing their spin, make things up, impersonate, insinuate, and quote from our enterprise reporting without attribution, digital desperadoes attacking websites that won’t let the drama queens and paranoid fingerprintgators play their high school games…all the while, the MAIN players keep acting more whacko by the minute…

And frustrated investigators stand back and watch the auditions for Redneck Reality, fingers crossed that someone will just get pissed off and pop.

I mean, really, Baby Wife Daddy, Hank Sr. suddenly back in the saddle and riding over to Grandma Sykes trailer with Misty Mama Lisa to try and rescue their daughter, so their story goes, from a new son in law who had to be on something, the way he was freaking out…

And brave, no-nonsense Mrs. Sykes, Haleigh’s grandmother, trying to muscle her way into the catfight, pulling her grandson off Misty’s brother, JR, and sending him back into the trailer, according to what she told police. Then trying to keep him there, the 25 year old man who robbed the cradle to marry their baby girl at 17, then allegedly tried to poison his own father in law with prescription pain pills, Hank Sr told police, pills he’d requested Ron fetch for terrible hurts after a bad car wreck that put him on crutches r. told police… said he’d asked Ron to give him some. Must be sorta like having a pharmacist in the family.

But Hank SR had to be looney tune to accuse Ron, right? At least that was the story Team Ron was putting out…explaining Misty’s Dad must have had a reaction to his own pain meds that caused him to lose it for a few hours, nothing a few days in the hospital won’t iron out. … no harm, no foul, with Hank suddenly retracting his police report, and Ron denying any so called poison plot as delusional.

You still with me?

…And now, Hank’s son, Hank JR, calling the cops again last week…after he called the cops the first time to report yelling, a deputy told my moderator, denying he’d *****-slapped bro in law bloody. JR saying, he was just trying to save a sister from a fate worse than Satsuma ‘gators.

Only…Misty standing by her man, and just a few days later, sources tell us, Misty and Ron, allegedly chopping the head off a rat and putting it in Lil bro in law’s mail box?

Come on…What IS this… some aspiring bush league Godfather looking to send a message to any family who get out of line?

I’m out here in Hollyweird for the moment, and I can tell you, no SITCOM writer could make this up.

South Park Meets Jerry Springer?

God help us all, not to mention Haleigh.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/08/16/haleigh-cummings-update-ron-and-ratgate/#more-2572

[ErrinSpelling]

When Jane Velez Mitchell’s producer called to ask if we were available to do a quick update on the latest bizarre twist in the Haleigh Cummings mystery, we were 3,000 miles away from the sad and frustrating swampland that seems to have just plain swallowed up a beautiful little five year old girl.

Six months and nothing.

But with vigilant colleagues on both coasts, we got tipped to the arrest of Ronald Cummings for allegedly beating up on his bro’ in law the night before as we were driving down Ventura Boulevard, heading back to get some sleep after a day chasing some Michael Jackson twist.

We weren’t sure we heard it right and had to pull over before the news sent us into a telephone pole…

“Say what?” I asked.

Unbelievable…yet, totally believable.

Imagine this scenario:

Small town, grieving father, grieving mother, the newlyweds at close quarters living all couped up in Grandma’s trailer…17 year old babysitter turned Baby Wife who reported her husband’s baby girl missing…so many conflicts in her stories, say police, hard to keep track of them all, possibly knowing more than she’s told the cops who say she’s not talking any more…

Is it just a young couple facing tough times as they take care of Haleigh’s little brother and possibly running low on what’s left of the back child support jackpot...

A mini-bonanza Ron was indeed righteously owed, dispatched out of the blue on behalf of ex Crystal Sheffield by a generous Texas donor with NO prior ties to any player in the case. Just saw her on TV and wanted to help. No matter how loud whacko bloggers sing their spin, make things up, impersonate, insinuate, and quote from our enterprise reporting without attribution, digital desperadoes attacking websites that won’t let the drama queens and paranoid fingerprintgators play their high school games…all the while, the MAIN players keep acting more whacko by the minute…

And frustrated investigators stand back and watch the auditions for Redneck Reality, fingers crossed that someone will just get pissed off and pop.

I mean, really, Baby Wife Daddy, Hank Sr. suddenly back in the saddle and riding over to Grandma Sykes trailer with Misty Mama Lisa to try and rescue their daughter, so their story goes, from a new son in law who had to be on something, the way he was freaking out…

And brave, no-nonsense Mrs. Sykes, Haleigh’s grandmother, trying to muscle her way into the catfight, pulling her grandson off Misty’s brother, JR, and sending him back into the trailer, according to what she told police. Then trying to keep him there, the 25 year old man who robbed the cradle to marry their baby girl at 17, then allegedly tried to poison his own father in law with prescription pain pills, Hank Sr told police, pills he’d requested Ron fetch for terrible hurts after a bad car wreck that put him on crutches r. told police… said he’d asked Ron to give him some. Must be sorta like having a pharmacist in the family.

But Hank SR had to be looney tune to accuse Ron, right? At least that was the story Team Ron was putting out…explaining Misty’s Dad must have had a reaction to his own pain meds that caused him to lose it for a few hours, nothing a few days in the hospital won’t iron out. … no harm, no foul, with Hank suddenly retracting his police report, and Ron denying any so called poison plot as delusional.

You still with me?

…And now, Hank’s son, Hank JR, calling the cops again last week…after he called the cops the first time to report yelling, a deputy told my moderator, denying he’d *****-slapped bro in law bloody. JR saying, he was just trying to save a sister from a fate worse than Satsuma ‘gators.

Only…Misty standing by her man, and just a few days later, sources tell us, Misty and Ron, allegedly chopping the head off a rat and putting it in Lil bro in law’s mail box?

Come on…What IS this… some aspiring bush league Godfather looking to send a message to any family who get out of line?

I’m out here in Hollyweird for the moment, and I can tell you, no SITCOM writer could make this up.

South Park Meets Jerry Springer?

God help us all, not to mention Haleigh.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/08/16/haleigh-cummings-update-ron-and-ratgate/#more-2572

very disturbing...can you imagine what these two will do, when the world isn't watching...no fear , no care...i hope art doesn't reveal the witness to beheading,or another animal will be dead & another witness too frightened to speak out... i just hope the rat died of natural causes,or wasn't tortured by those 2 evil ones.

[ErrinSpelling]

Ron's other baby mama is back in jail too for the same offense. Can't imagine forgetting to show up for court (considering the penalty!). :confused:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755885&IMG=56921

amber & nay nay ,the conjoined twins with the same brain forget to show,or just don't care ....

[lorettalockhorn]

very disturbing...can you imagine what these two will do, when the world isn't watching...no fear , no care...i hope art doesn't reveal the witness to beheading,or another animal will be dead & another witness too frightened to speak out... i just hope the rat died of natural causes,or wasn't tortured by those 2 evil ones.

Oh for sure, I can only imagine what Ron would be like if he wasn't under constant scrutiny. At least one of the news articles named the witness to Ron's truck being on the Croslin's street and I'm sure Ron&Misty have the police report (can they read?), but maybe the woman has been given police protection. Agree with Art that maybe LE is waiting for someone to pop, BUT my fear is that any of them could pop off with a gun. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone ends up dead over this whole clvsterfvck. Or should I say someone else? Is it really possible that Haleigh is alive and LE's tactic is to sit around and wait for things to come to a head?!?! For pity's sake, tell me NO!!!

amber & nay nay ,the conjoined twins with the same HALF A brain forget to show,or just don't care ....

hehehe

These girls have children who need them and need for them to straighten up and fly right. Why don't their families have them committed to rehab?

[ErrinSpelling]

Oh for sure, I can only imagine what Ron would be like if he wasn't under constant scrutiny. At least one of the news articles named the witness to Ron's truck being on the Croslin's street and I'm sure Ron&Misty have the police report (can they read?), but maybe the woman has been given police protection. Agree with Art that maybe LE is waiting for someone to pop, BUT my fear is that any of them could pop off with a gun. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone ends up dead over this whole clvsterfvck. Or should I say someone else? Is it really possible that Haleigh is alive and LE's tactic is to sit around and wait for things to come to a head?!?! For pity's sake, tell me NO!!!



hehehe

These girls have children who need them and need for them to straighten up and fly right. Why don't their families have them committed to rehab?

i really wish LE was protecting the witness, but i think the ron supporters will hurt that witness, before ron & misty get a chance..they have satellite maps of her house.....................
i know they have problems with their past tenses.:D
but seriously, i 'm suprised no one has been killed already.

LOL half a brain.....oh now i'm going to have nat king cole in my head all day: " straighten up & fly right" :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings' Family To Celebrate Her Birthday Girl, 5, Disappeared From Putman Co. 6 Months Ago

SATSUMA, Fla. -- There's still no sign of Haleigh Cummings, the Putnam County girl who disappeared last February.

Monday will be a bittersweet day for her family.

Watch The Video

It has been six months since the Satsuma girl disappeared, and Monday is her 6th birthday.

Cummings' paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said she has no idea what happened to her granddaughter.

"If I had any kind of clue, then I could go out there and look for her myself," she said. "But you don't know where to start, you know?"

WESH 2's Michelle Meredith will talk about the unusual way her father's family plans to honor the missing girl's birthday Monday at 11 p.m.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20422695/detail.html

Video: Teresa Neves:

http://www.wesh.com/video/20423213/index.html

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http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/haleigh_1123459999-1.gif

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Missing Girl's Family Seeks New Attorney's Help

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The family of a missing little girl is seeking the help of a prominent attorney in Orlando.

Haleigh Cummings' father's family has asked Mark NeJame to help them.

Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, said they asked NeJame for help because he has worked with Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch and because "we hear he's very good."

Neves told First Coast News they hope NeJame will help them get Haleigh's name back out in the media.

Haleigh has been missing since February. She was last seen inside her Satsuma home.

Neves is in Orlando today. NeJame is holding a news conference about the search for Haleigh in the morning.

NeJame has represented Caylee Anthony's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.

Today marks the little girl's sixth birthday.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=143453&catid=3

Is it just me, or does it make zero sense for the Cummings clan to ask for help from anyone when Ron&Misty are not helping with the most basic element of the investigation: the timeline????

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings' grandma: 'We just want somebody to look for her'
On Haleigh Cummings' sixth birthday, Texas EquuSearch founder said he will search for the missing girl once again.


On the day that Haleigh Cummings' family should joyously be celebrating her sixth birthday, her relatives instead sat teary eyed inside an Orlando law firm and made another plea for the public to help find her.

Haleigh vanished from her Putnam County home in February after her father's girlfriend put her to bed.

Today, her family plans to release balloons containing her missing person flier. Haleigh's grandma, Teresa Neves, said she hopes someone will see the flier, spot Haleigh, and call law enforcement.

"Haleigh is a sweetheart," said Neves, who joined high-profile lawyer Mark NeJame and Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller at a mid-morning press conference.

"We just want somebody to look for her," she said. They want Haleigh to come home.

And NeJame and Miller want to help.

NeJame called the press conference to announce that EquuSearch will help search for Haleigh once more. They won't search immediately though, because the vegetation is too thick.

Miller said it may be another six weeks to two months before his volunteers will scour the area once more for Haleigh.

"My heart's breaking for them," said Miller. "This is one day that they did not want to go through without Haleigh here, and that's her birthday."

Neves teared up during Miller's comments.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, said little during the press conference. He said the past few months have been "extremely hard."

NeJame said not a lot of public attention has been paid to Haleigh's disappearance. When Neves reached out to the lawyer to help garner publicity for the case, NeJame said, "My heart went out to her."

"Her grief was apparent," he said.

NeJame said all leads are being explored, and some areas need to be searched better.

Miller said the search may also be expanded.

"We want to do everything we can do to make sure that they do not go through the next birthday without having Haleigh back home safely, or without having the remains and having that funeral," he said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-update-081709,0,6353651.story

[lorettalockhorn]

WESH 2 News reporter Michelle Meredith looks back at the Haleigh Cummings investigation at 11 p.m.

http://www.wesh.com/video/20427114/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

EquuSearch To Search For Missing Fla. Girl

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A Texas-based search group will conduct another search for a missing north Florida girl.

Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her father's mobile home in Satsuma six months ago.

Orlando attorney Mark NeJame and Tim Miller, Texas EquuSearch founder, announced Monday that they would team up in another search of the girl. She turned 6 on Monday.

Miller says the search will take place in four to six weeks. He says he believes weather and vegetation conditions will be more conducive to finding the girl.

Miller says about 50 EquuSearch members and volunteers will conduct the search.

The group searched for the girl previously and has also searched for Caylee Anthony, whose body was found in December. The group wasn't involved in finding Anthony's body.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20430706/detail.html

[Woostock]

Thanks Loretta for posting that info. The comments section was right on the money.....We are not the only ones looking at Ron and Misty as scum bags. I have no idea where or what happened with Haleigh, maybe we will never know but I wish the social services would remove Jr. Take him out of the horrible environment. He is still young enough that a nurturing, child centered family could take him and give him a good life.

[Woostock]

Can someone help me out here? I may have missed something..how much actual looking has Ron and Air head actually done? I wasn't aware that they have been beating the bushes to find Haleigh....

[beemer]

No Loretta it's not just you. That timeline is so important. Once again we see folks who do not want to help. If it was you or me we would be asking to be pollyied right from the get go and providing a timeline. So many clues for LE in that info. Obv. they having something to hide. I guess when ya marry the child party gal last seen with your missing child it speaks volumes. I hope they can solve this case. Interesting it's Grandma being the vocal one :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – Radio Wrap Up – Aug/16

Another interesting 90 minutes. I suspect that some of today’s program will make it to the MSM in the morning! How fitting that it will also be the 6th birthday of Haleigh Cummings. Haleigh, if you get to read this, enjoy the cake, and I can guarantee that BNN will buy you many more!

Our panel included TJ Hart, William Cobra Staubs, Pickles, and of course the Barrett clan.

We had a special guest this week, Leonard Padilla. While he has not been an active part of the search for Haleigh Cummings, he was a very active part of the search for Caylee Anthony. I do know that he has been watching the case unfold. He is also very well informed.

It was announced on Friday that Mark NeJame and Tim Miller had decided to become involved with the search for Haleigh. I have some reservations, my wife and I take a different viewpoint. Are we right? I do not know. Our mission is to inform, not frustrate.

The question in my mind, and it has been there for many months, is Tim Miller all he says he is?

I had heard some scuttlebutt, but it is easy to make enemies in this brave new world of the internet! I have made many, the question remains, is a $5 or $10 contribution going to help?

It was not till the end of the program that Tim Miller entered the story, but it is worth listening to. This might just want to make you rethink your next contribution! This might not make BNN popular, but one has to report it as it is told.

Do I believe Leonard and Bill? Well let me say this, I have never known either of them to lie to me. They have no reason, likewise I have no reason to lie to them.

I know we lost our live listeners at a vital point, the good news is that the entire show can be listened to here.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121920

Link to episode:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/16/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

[lorettalockhorn]

>>It was announced on Friday that Mark NeJame and Tim Miller had decided to become involved with the search for Haleigh. I have some reservations, my wife and I take a different viewpoint. Are we right? I do not know. Our mission is to inform, not frustrate.

The question in my mind, and it has been there for many months, is Tim Miller all he says he is?

I had heard some scuttlebutt, but it is easy to make enemies in this brave new world of the internet! I have made many, the question remains, is a $5 or $10 contribution going to help?

It was not till the end of the program that Tim Miller entered the story, but it is worth listening to. This might just want to make you rethink your next contribution! This might not make BNN popular, but one has to report it as it is told.

Do I believe Leonard and Bill? Well let me say this, I have never known either of them to lie to me. They have no reason, likewise I have no reason to lie to them.

WTH is he blathering about? Anyone got the stomach to listen to this circus? Yeah, LP has never lied on national TV or anything. :rolleyes: Or maybe he hasn't and will be vindicated. And LP has never ripped off TES. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

PCSO Press Release: Haleigh Cummings Update


August 17th, 2009


Today marks Haleigh Cummings’ sixth birthday, and a little over six months into the investigation of her disappearance. Sheriff Hardy’s interest in the public’s desire to bring Haleigh home, have led him to release the following update on the investigation.

Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and investigators from agencies throughout Florida have invested thousands of man-hours into the investigation thus far.

Here are some of the facts:

We have received in excess of 4,000 leads, all of which have been followed up.
We have conducted 138 formal interviews and several hundred informal interviews with potential witnesses. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (ie. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
We have searched thousands of acres, including all property south of Highway 17 near the Cummings residence.
We have had numerous underwater recovery and search teams search all of the water near the area of the disappearance.
Aviation assets have conducted several airborne searches.
K9 assets have searched the area on several occasions.
Volunteer civilian searchers on foot and horseback searched the wooded areas near the residence.

At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case. Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities. Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

Sheriff Hardy realizes the importance of keeping the public involved in this case, and appreciates all of the leads that have been provided. Every lead that is provided is acted on by investigators. Sheriff Hardy cautions that because there are many who claim to be valid media outlets, that citizens should be careful not to fall into the trap of believing, or by accident spreading, the untrue and unreliable claims and assumptions of many bloggers who claim to be knowledgeable in the case. He also urges anyone that is assisting, or who wants to assist, to be cautious to stay within the bounds of their authority as they pursue their activities.

Sheriff Hardy wants to assure the public, but mainly Haleigh’s family, that we will continue to aggressively pursue this case and that we welcome the assistance of all Law Enforcement agencies or any other expert, including air, water, and ground searchers, that can assist in bringing Haleigh home.


Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office
130 Orie Griffin Blvd.
Palatka, Florida 32177
(386) 326.2782
jgreenwood@putnamsheriff.org

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5022713.php

[lorettalockhorn]

>>...At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case. Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities. Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office...

Arrest Misty. She can talk or rot (much as Haleigh is probably doing). Oh wait, the idiot judges would probably set a ridiculously low bail as a courtesy to the Cummings/Neves family.

[lorettalockhorn]

Case of missing girl focuses on dad's then-girlfriend

Officers consider the former girlfriend, now wife, of the man whose daughter vanished from a Putnam County home earlier this year to be the key in their continued investigation into the girl's disappearance.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office released the information Monday, the date of Haleigh Cummings' sixth birthday.

The child was last seen at her father's home in February when she was at the residence with her younger brother and her father's then-girlfriend, Misty Croslin. The young woman later married the girl's father, Ronald Cummings.

"Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh's disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty's sketchy account of her evening activities," the Sheriff's Office reported in a statement.

"Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty's activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office," the release stated.

According to the Sheriff's Office, Haleigh's biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects and investigators said information gathered in the case doesn't support the idea a stranger took the girl.

"At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh's disappearance is the work of a stranger," the statement reported.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090817/ARTICLES/908179916/-1/LIVING05?Title=Case-of-missing-girl-focuses-on-dad-s-then-girlfriend

[lorettalockhorn]

Putnam Sheriff: Croslin-Cummings Account 'Sketchy'


PALATKA, FL -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office took a moment today to recognize the birthday of the little girl whose disappearance has been the subject of an Amber alert for over six months.

Haleigh Cummings turns six years old today. She hasn't been seen since February, when she disappeared from her father's house in Satsuma.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy sent out a release this afternoon highlighting the latest information in the search for Haleigh, and what has been done in the past 6 months.

The Sheriff's Office says they have followed up on over 4,000 leads and conducted hundreds of interviews.

They have searched thousands of acres of land and water, using aircraft, dogs and horses as well as the countless people who have joined in the search.

The release states that Haleigh's parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects, but that Misty Croslin-Cummings, Ronald Cummings' wife, "continues to hold important answers."

The Sheriff's Office says her "sketchy account" of the evening Haleigh disappeared is contradicted by evidence at the scene, and she has failed to provide "any sort of detailed accounting of the hours" surrounding Haleigh's disappearance.

Haleigh and her brother were home with Misty the night of Haleigh's disappearance.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=143466&catid=3

[Woostock]

Here we go again, with the timeline. Misty is the key and we all have said that. I think they should haul her in and get more info including an accurate accounting of the night in question. I think this case will be solved but it may take a while. The usual suspects are intellectually limited so it should not be this difficult to get info out of them. If Misty killed Haleigh she probably had an accomplice, someone to help her with the body.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here we go again, with the timeline. Misty is the key and we all have said that. I think they should haul her in and get more info including an accurate accounting of the night in question. I think this case will be solved but it may take a while. The usual suspects are intellectually limited so it should not be this difficult to get info out of them. If Misty killed Haleigh she probably had an accomplice, someone to help her with the body.

ITA that Misty would have had to have an accomplice, if not for brainpower just for brawn. I think she would have had a hard time carrying Haleigh very far if she was dead weight. I would still like to see her agree to hypnosis or a forensic psychological exam, but if she's not going to talk to the PoPo, she's not going to talk to anyone else either. Guess her anonymous/invisible attorney won't allow her to be questioned, so maybe if the public will come forward with information on her whereabouts that night, LE can issue a subpoena or something. No reason for her not to talk unless she needs to invoke her fifth amendment rights. Remember back when she said that only guilty people need an attorney??

[Woostock]

Can't the policia call her in and ask her questions, again. Try to get a timeline. If she is one of the usual suspects, there should be some way to get her in for a question and answer session!!! Can you imagine (assuming she was somehow involved) and gets away with it???

[ErrinSpelling]

>>It was announced on Friday that Mark NeJame and Tim Miller had decided to become involved with the search for Haleigh. I have some reservations, my wife and I take a different viewpoint. Are we right? I do not know. Our mission is to inform, not frustrate.

The question in my mind, and it has been there for many months, is Tim Miller all he says he is?

I had heard some scuttlebutt, but it is easy to make enemies in this brave new world of the internet! I have made many, the question remains, is a $5 or $10 contribution going to help?

It was not till the end of the program that Tim Miller entered the story, but it is worth listening to. This might just want to make you rethink your next contribution! This might not make BNN popular, but one has to report it as it is told.

Do I believe Leonard and Bill? Well let me say this, I have never known either of them to lie to me. They have no reason, likewise I have no reason to lie to them.

WTH is he blathering about? Anyone got the stomach to listen to this circus? Yeah, LP has never lied on national TV or anything. :rolleyes: Or maybe he hasn't and will be vindicated. And LP has never ripped off TES. :rolleyes:

thanks for all of this.
yes, wth is he blathering about...

if tes has to wait about 6 weeks, they can't hardly be looking for a live person.

art harris is supposed to be on jvm at 7 est,tonight.

[ErrinSpelling]

Can't the policia call her in and ask her questions, again. Try to get a timeline. If she is one of the usual suspects, there should be some way to get her in for a question and answer session!!! Can you imagine (assuming she was somehow involved) and gets away with it???

if LE can't question misty again, then we need to change the laws ,so they can!
i am glad they are repeating, she is the one who isn't telling the truth & how evidence doesn't match what she is saying...the walls are about to close in on misty,i hope...i wonder if her lawyer will start spinning...you know the one she hired, b/c she is guilty of something (her own words).

[lorettalockhorn]

Can't the policia call her in and ask her questions, again. Try to get a timeline. If she is one of the usual suspects, there should be some way to get her in for a question and answer session!!! Can you imagine (assuming she was somehow involved) and gets away with it???

They can ask her to come in, but she can decline. Maybe LE doesn't call her like they don't call Ron. :confused: I'm pretty surprised to see LE name Ron and Crystal as non-suspects at this point. I really think that part of today's goings on could be a ruse.

Whatever Misty's involvement is, Ron obviously supports her, so he's just as worthless as she is.

[lorettalockhorn]

thanks for all of this.
yes, wth is he blathering about...

if tes has to wait about 6 weeks, they can't hardly be looking for a live person.

art harris is supposed to be on jvm at 7 est,tonight.

Well, he is pretty obviously calling Tim Miller out, but why? And why be passive aggressive about it? He can't just say whatever BS he has to say? Hmmm Maybe the Barrets should stick to soap opera recaps. I'll look around to see what the hoopla is about (but if Padilla is involved, I'm pretty sure it's prolly a lie, especially if he's saying that TES doesn't utilize donations wisely. After all, it's Padilla who stole donations away from TES.), I'm not going to listen because there's too much cross talk, wasted airtime, and too much Pickles. Why is she even on there? What's her contribution?

[lorettalockhorn]

thanks for all of this.
yes, wth is he blathering about...

if tes has to wait about 6 weeks, they can't hardly be looking for a live person.

art harris is supposed to be on jvm at 7 est,tonight.

Thanks for the reminder, read that at RadioNewz and forgot to post it. :punch:

Why does the punchy smiley say QUOTE?! :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings: Mom, Dad Cleared, But Not Misty!


Missing Haleigh Cummings would be six years old today, but the best present investigators can give her grieving parients is that neither are considered suspects, not father Ronald Cummings, nor mother Crystal Sheffield, but the 17 year old who was babysitting and reported her missing, Misty Cummings, is believed to know more than she has revealed.

Investigators still believe it is NOT a stranger abduction, but someone close to the family or who knew the families.

According to a press release on Haleigh’s birthday Monday, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy says investigators cannot reconcile conflicts in Misty’s account of what happened that night, and urge anyone who may have seen her out on the town or away form the trailer where she said she was sleeping with the child and her brother, Junior, when Haleigh vanished, to call the hotline.

“The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case,” says the sheriff’s release. “Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance.

“Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities. Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.”

Sources tell us that one conflict involves a movie she told us Haleigh was watching that night, and the fact police found the dvd player high up on a shelf or armoir likely out of reach for a five year old and too complicated to program without help.

The Bald Truth broke many of the details of Misty Croslin’s wild weekend of drugs, sex and rock and roll with party pals in the days leading up to that Sunday, when she came back to the trailer. Sources tell us that Sunday night she and Ronald were up all night trying to reconcile their differences, and that Ronald overslept and had to race Haleigh to school.

Witnesses tell us Misty picked Haleigh up at the bus stop, where she was overheard to describe the party favors she used Sunday night, and how they were very poor quality. In the days leading up to Monday, she’d also been using cocaine, roxies and other drugs, her party friends tell us, including Nay Nay Krystal Prevatt, who was arrested last weekend.

Investigators theorize she may have been jonesing Monday night home alone
with the children, and with Ron at work, slipped away to score — or invited someone over — when something went terrible wrong and Haleigh turned up missing.

“Misty didn’t come home until Sunday night, when she and Ronald were up all night trying to work things out ghintried to work things out,” a source tells The Bald Truth, “but Monday night is sketchy.”
After 4,000 leads and almost 200 interviews in the case, sources tell us detectives finally got investigators got a chance to interview Ronald Cummings again–behind bars last week when he was arrested for battery and burglary involving a fight with Misty’s brother. Cummings had promised to schedule a sitdown with investigators months ago, with his then attorney, who has since resigned. But that inteview never happened.

The grilling took place in the Putnam County Jail, before Misty and his grandmother put up the $12,500 bond to spring him, and revealed little that was new. Over dinner at MeMa’s restaurant in Satsuma five months ago, Ronald confided he worried that Misty knew more than she was telling, and for that reason, was keeping her close, in spite of her shenanigans.

At the same time, he also confided he loved her. Misty has denied harming Haleigh in any way, or knowing what happened before she woke up and found Haleigh missing from bed.

Since that time, Misty’s family reported she called to say she wanted to leave Ronald, who wound up in jail for allegedly punching out her brother, Hank Croslin, Jr. Then last week, Hank reported a decapitated rat in his mailbox, suspected Ronald who he claimed had threatened him. Cummings denied Ratgate, saying he was partying with Misty and friends at his grandmother’s trailer. But a witness said Ronald’s truck was spotted in the early morning hours rumbling through the ‘hood near the box.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/08/17/haleigh-cummings-mom-dad-cleared-but-not-misty/

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Cummings denied Ratgate, saying he was partying with Misty and friends at his grandmother’s trailer.

But, but, but it's been such a tough time, Ron. What in the world is there to party about????????

[wind149]

WOW! Finally we hear from Putnam that they are still looking at Misty as a possible suspect?? YA THINK???? Sketchy accounts? Damm straight they are and NOW maybe we will see some action on their part to bring that nasty ass twit into their office and hammer down on her, she can be broken, I can feel it and NOW would be the time to do it!! And WOO? She sure as hell had help with the body and as nasty and law breaking as that skank Nay Nay is, she is my candidate!!!! She also had a car and Misty did not and seeing as they are such BFF's and she knows Nay is a constant presence at a lock-up, I feel that SHE IS THE ONE who helped her!!! That girl has done every felony short of murder and I can easily see her helping honey pie dump a body because I don't think any part of her is decent and good and she would just have the mindset to help commit another felony because I see this stupid broad being in trouble her entire life, she falls into the category of being beyond redemption even at her young age and the folks that deal with idiots like her on a daily basis KNOW where I am coming from with that!!!

And did all you read where Putnam now thinks for sure that it was not a stranger abduction? Could it be, they know more than they have let on for months?? Of course it is not a stranger that did this, having dealt with pedophiles and God Knows we all here know the sickness of pedophilia, had it been a "Couey" he would have known first hand about the doors and that is the thing that convinced me right off that this was no babyraper that entered that home and if it was a rogue trafficker, he would have taken both kids and would have had help, no this has MISTY written all over it! I see where the one detective has posted his address, I think I might compose a letter to him, not to poke fun at what they have been doing, but maybe to give him a little insight and how I think it went down and who knows? We might be on the same page!!

Now today, I have good news!! I wasn't going to say anything until I knew for sure I was going, but I am going to be a college student come 9/11!!! I am going here to a local college and I am going for an Associate's in Public Safety, which means I could have a career in LE again, namely, corrections, but instead of just being a CO, I would be a little more up the food chain like Watch Commander and Shift Leader and I can dig that!!! I aced the entrance exam a 97 out of a possible 100!!! And kids, it has been 33 years since I had to take algebra and trig and I will admit, I fudged and guesstimated my way through that and passed and only God can tell me why!!! SO I qualified for all my financial aid and Wed I have to go to the book store and you would not believe the courses I take this year into next! "Sciences of the Mind", "Forensic Applications" "Microbiotics" and one course in English Lit. And some of this I can do on-line and I can dig that, because sometimes, when I don't feel good enough to go out, I can just sit here and hook up to my class!!!

Now one grant, I do not have to pay back, but the others, I will have $31,000 in loans out so some correctional center better hire my now smarter ass!!! I am sick of sitting in this house and since losing some weight, now down 50 lbs as of Fri, I have felt better in some ways, but the arthritis still kicks my ass and that probably will not change and that sucks, because without that, I would be feeling very good!!! I would be a fool if I told you I wasn't scared to go back to school, I am, but at least I will not have to live in a dorm, been there, done that, I won't have a large class size like I have before, ya got 112 students and one professor and he looks so stressed, ya hate to raise your hand? And like I said, a lot can be accomplished on line. But next year, one usually has a clue what they might want to do with their degree and you can do a lot of hands on, for me, that would be the prison and now since they have more technology than they did when I worked Corrections before, a lot of the gates and doors are operated by computers so no inmates get hip to how and when they open, so I will have to know this before I actually work in a prison full time. My sister was like, why do you want to work still in LE when you can make better money in another field? Well I can't see myself on Wall Street wearing a suit and heels, I can't see myself as a director of a nursing home, or being an accountant or a gopher for a bunch of spoiled people like "stars" and I sure as hell can't see myself sitting in an office typing all day! Now corrections pays pretty good here, better than say deputies and jail flunky's and I should start out at a pretty good salary. What will be nice is not having to rely on the gov for food and money, I will be off that the minute I know I have a job!!!!

[Amy]

Can't the policia call her in and ask her questions, again. Try to get a timeline. If she is one of the usual suspects, there should be some way to get her in for a question and answer session!!! Can you imagine (assuming she was somehow involved) and gets away with it???

They could try. But if it's true that she has a lawyer (and, I DO remember her comment about innocent people don't need 'em) it isn't gonna happen. Or, if they do and she does, the lawyer would be right there, probably not letting her answer much more than her name and address. Maybe her birthdate, for identification purposes, of course.

[Woostock]

hey Wind
That sounds awesome and right up your alley getting involved one way or another with LE. Frankly, I wish you were in Satsuma running this case.....
As we have said, the usual suspects are not the brightest bulbs in the pack but somehow it's taking a bit of time to reign them in. I never thought it would take this long. Why do you think ron married her? 2 and 2 is not adding up to 4...I guess in time we will know but it is perplexing to see this time go by and no body...

[lorettalockhorn]

Congratulations Wind!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer: Hey, I was forty when I got my sociology degree, and let me tell you, I was a hella better student then than when I was in my twenties. It was great; made the dean's list, brought breakfast for my classmates who didn't have time to eat and got lots of dates from some good looking guys damn near half my age. LMAO You'll do great and we're proud of you and your new and lighter future! $31,000 in loans isn't bad and the interest is tax deductible.

I can well imagine Misty asking NayNay to help her, but not sure those two twits have enough smarts to have spirited Haleigh away from the house without leaving a trail. I've wondered if she didn't use her parents van; it was just across the street or it may have been there at the trailer since she used it to pick Haleigh up from school that day (if she did).

[lorettalockhorn]

They could try. But if it's true that she has a lawyer (and, I DO remember her comment about innocent people don't need 'em) it isn't gonna happen. Or, if they do and she does, the lawyer would be right there, probably not letting her answer much more than her name and address. Maybe her birthdate, for identification purposes, of course.

LMAO Misty had trouble getting her address out to the operator during the 911 call. And she might withhold her DOB to keep from implicating Honey Pie in a statutory rape situation. ;)

[DrewBerry]

LMAO Misty had trouble getting her address out to the operator during the 911 call. And she might withhold her DOB to keep from implicating Honey Pie in a statutory rape situation. ;)

Hi Loretta. You make an excellent point. I never thought of that until now. I think time's running out for Mr. & Mrs. C!!
:seeya:
DrewB

[deacon]

Hi Loretta. You make an excellent point. I never thought of that until now. I think time's running out for Mr. & Mrs. C!!
:seeya:
DrewB

I think she may have been too "messed up" to remember what happened. She may not have even known what the address was in the state I am talking about. We all know she does not qualify for a job as a rocket scientist and add to that being under the influence of some mind altering substance and she may not have known her name much less her age.

I wonder why they don't go ahead and name her as a suspect and see if that rattles her cage a bit. It should also open the ability to question her again in more detail. Hmmmmm

[DrewBerry]

WOW! Finally we hear from Putnam that they are still looking at Misty as a possible suspect?? YA THINK???? Sketchy accounts? Damm straight they are and NOW maybe we will see some action on their part to bring that nasty ass twit into their office and hammer down on her, she can be broken, I can feel it and NOW would be the time to do it!! And WOO? She sure as hell had help with the body and as nasty and law breaking as that skank Nay Nay is, she is my candidate!!!! She also had a car and Misty did not and seeing as they are such BFF's and she knows Nay is a constant presence at a lock-up, I feel that SHE IS THE ONE who helped her!!! That girl has done every felony short of murder and I can easily see her helping honey pie dump a body because I don't think any part of her is decent and good and she would just have the mindset to help commit another felony because I see this stupid broad being in trouble her entire life, she falls into the category of being beyond redemption even at her young age and the folks that deal with idiots like her on a daily basis KNOW where I am coming from with that!!!

And did all you read where Putnam now thinks for sure that it was not a stranger abduction? Could it be, they know more than they have let on for months?? Of course it is not a stranger that did this, having dealt with pedophiles and God Knows we all here know the sickness of pedophilia, had it been a "Couey" he would have known first hand about the doors and that is the thing that convinced me right off that this was no babyraper that entered that home and if it was a rogue trafficker, he would have taken both kids and would have had help, no this has MISTY written all over it! I see where the one detective has posted his address, I think I might compose a letter to him, not to poke fun at what they have been doing, but maybe to give him a little insight and how I think it went down and who knows? We might be on the same page!!

Now today, I have good news!! I wasn't going to say anything until I knew for sure I was going, but I am going to be a college student come 9/11!!! I am going here to a local college and I am going for an Associate's in Public Safety, which means I could have a career in LE again, namely, corrections, but instead of just being a CO, I would be a little more up the food chain like Watch Commander and Shift Leader and I can dig that!!! I aced the entrance exam a 97 out of a possible 100!!! And kids, it has been 33 years since I had to take algebra and trig and I will admit, I fudged and guesstimated my way through that and passed and only God can tell me why!!! SO I qualified for all my financial aid and Wed I have to go to the book store and you would not believe the courses I take this year into next! "Sciences of the Mind", "Forensic Applications" "Microbiotics" and one course in English Lit. And some of this I can do on-line and I can dig that, because sometimes, when I don't feel good enough to go out, I can just sit here and hook up to my class!!!

Now one grant, I do not have to pay back, but the others, I will have $31,000 in loans out so some correctional center better hire my now smarter ass!!! I am sick of sitting in this house and since losing some weight, now down 50 lbs as of Fri, I have felt better in some ways, but the arthritis still kicks my ass and that probably will not change and that sucks, because without that, I would be feeling very good!!! I would be a fool if I told you I wasn't scared to go back to school, I am, but at least I will not have to live in a dorm, been there, done that, I won't have a large class size like I have before, ya got 112 students and one professor and he looks so stressed, ya hate to raise your hand? And like I said, a lot can be accomplished on line. But next year, one usually has a clue what they might want to do with their degree and you can do a lot of hands on, for me, that would be the prison and now since they have more technology than they did when I worked Corrections before, a lot of the gates and doors are operated by computers so no inmates get hip to how and when they open, so I will have to know this before I actually work in a prison full time. My sister was like, why do you want to work still in LE when you can make better money in another field? Well I can't see myself on Wall Street wearing a suit and heels, I can't see myself as a director of a nursing home, or being an accountant or a gopher for a bunch of spoiled people like "stars" and I sure as hell can't see myself sitting in an office typing all day! Now corrections pays pretty good here, better than say deputies and jail flunky's and I should start out at a pretty good salary. What will be nice is not having to rely on the gov for food and money, I will be off that the minute I know I have a job!!!!

Congrats! to you Wind! Go get 'em!. Dontcha worry about age. Older adult students can take advantage of life experience. You will do fine! :beer:
I was 40 when I finally finished my master's degree, divorced raising 2 young boys and worked part-time. Women students far out number men nowadays. It doesn't matter how old you are; learning is a lifetime endeavor.
Also, you've been right all along about Misty and Ronnie Boy. They've been covering up for too long. Sounds like LE is going to put on the pressure they should have applied early on.
:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I think she may have been too "messed up" to remember what happened. She may not have even known what the address was in the state I am talking about. We all know she does not qualify for a job as a rocket scientist and add to that being under the influence of some mind altering substance and she may not have known her name much less her age.

I wonder why they don't go ahead and name her as a suspect and see if that rattles her cage a bit. It should also open the ability to question her again in more detail. Hmmmmm

Hey Deacon. Also, excellent points. Hmmmm is right!

DrewB

[deacon]

Hey Deacon. Also, excellent points. Hmmmm is right!

DrewB

Let's just say looking at her on TV and listening to her, I think the words crack and meth are in her vocabulary and truth may not be.

[wind149]

Thanks you guys, I appreciate the kudos! And I DO wish I worked for Putnam Co right about now, because Misty would be sitting in front of me for days and would cop to what she did with Haleigh!!! As for Nay not helping her, who do you suppose did, because she did need help with the body, as I don't see her putting a body in a car without help as she is a pound over bird weight herself and I say it is Nay because she is a criminal and would know where one could possibly dump a body where it might not be found right off?? Like maybe, alligator alley? And we all know Tim thinks this will only be a body recovery mission instead of searching for a possible live subject, the time for that passed 6 months and 7 days ago and whatever is left of the body, it won't be a viable one, she will be like Caylee, just bones. But even with that, the ME determined that the manner of death was homicide because the child did not wrap duct tape around her mouth and deposit herself into three bags and laid down in the woods!!!

I feel very strongly that Haleigh is not far from the trailer park, someplace where Misty is comfortable and confident it might not be found and really, how well did the "Barney's" search? What bothers me is when the three cadaver dogs hit in the dumpster, when a dog who is trained only to recover HUMAN REMAINS and not dead veggies or rotting cow meat, they will sit down to indicate to the handler that they have hit on a dead body and when you have three dogs do this, you might want to take notice, and as far as I know, the landfill was never searched, I wonder if they even went so far as to inquire as to how often they are emptied??? The minute I got a hit from a dog, I would search the place and in this case the dumpster and empty every bag if needed and we did see on TV that they did that, but once I was satisfied that a body was not in there NOW, I would hit the landfill and I don't think they did this???

Now it would be gross, the smell would be awful, but when you have a missing child, how far would you go to find her whether it be dead or alive?? My guys would have crawled every inch of our landfill and I don't think these guys did and that would make sense for someone like Misty, dumb as a stump and apparently they watch a lot of movies for her to put the body in there??? Put Haleigh in a bag in the bottom, this could be done and knowing how this park is, with low life's and rent by the month trailers, how many people pay attention to others they know live there? And the cops, only after coming out with the dogs and it was quite a few days before they hit the dumpster instead of searching it the FIRST DAY which my guys surely would have done, that being a logical place especially when it comes to dealing with the lower classes and I just question all over the place their methods and means and ways they operate???

I can feel it in my gut that she is close to that park and I have all along and honey pie has all the answers and as far as them searching? HELL NO! Ron and the "child bride" have not lifted a finger to search for that child since the first few days after she went missing, Ron was out with others and on horseback, but since then, he squatted in his tent with honey pie and then when they were evicted from there, has holed up at his granny's house and Misty never actively participated in any of the searches and why would she?? It is not her kid and despite the hype she tried to spin that she loved Haleigh and she thought of her as "mama" she did not dig this kid at all, and I can feel that too. Now is the time for them to really get down on her and I pray that they do and she cops to it because this child deserves a proper burial and while Crystal will be very saddened and distraught, at least she will have her body, right now, she has nothing and while we all know she is still holding on to hope, I think by now, she knows that the outcome is not going to be good and I am sure she hates honey pie because I know I would and she only had Ron's say so that Misty could handle her children.

And the 911 call has always given me cause for pause too because the dumb twit did not even know the address and Haleigh's weight and what she was wearing for sure, the pink shirt was found in the laundry pile and if you don't know what a child was wearing when you tucked them in for the night, you don't know what bed you put her in, but yet, you claim that all of them were in the same bed? And then it went to, she was in the same room but on a child's mattress on the floor, then to she was in her own room and bed and she had peed the bed so she used a sheet that was being used for a "curtain"?? Now, if you worked for a reputable police dept, you would be more than skeptical at these "versions" Red flags would be waving big time!!!! As Marc Klaas always says and he is well versed, "the truth never changes" And that is the truth.

[ErrinSpelling]

Well, he is pretty obviously calling Tim Miller out, but why? And why be passive aggressive about it? He can't just say whatever BS he has to say? Hmmm Maybe the Barrets should stick to soap opera recaps. I'll look around to see what the hoopla is about (but if Padilla is involved, I'm pretty sure it's prolly a lie, especially if he's saying that TES doesn't utilize donations wisely. After all, it's Padilla who stole donations away from TES.), I'm not going to listen because there's too much cross talk, wasted airtime, and too much Pickles. Why is she even on there? What's her contribution?

i think you may have answered the question.. maybe simon wants it to be a soap opera.

[ErrinSpelling]

Thanks for the reminder, read that at RadioNewz and forgot to post it. :punch:

Why does the punchy smiley say QUOTE?! :eek:

i don't know..i don't even have the eke one & when i go to the top smilies,they erase my entire post.

[ErrinSpelling]

>>Cummings denied Ratgate, saying he was partying with Misty and friends at his grandmother’s trailer.

But, but, but it's been such a tough time, Ron. What in the world is there to party about????????

you took mine.lol..i read that entire thing & all i could obcess on is why is he partying & why doesn't he know how wrong it was to say that.

[deacon]

you took mine.lol..i read that entire thing & all i could obcess on is why is he partying & why doesn't he know how wrong it was to say that.

Do we really need him to answer that? It seems obvious to me. We are not dealing with a brain surgeon here. We are dealing with a group of people who think about little other than the next party time and what they want to do next. They seem to think of little other than that. It seems this may be another case of "it is all about me."

[lorettalockhorn]

I think she may have been too "messed up" to remember what happened. She may not have even known what the address was in the state I am talking about. We all know she does not qualify for a job as a rocket scientist and add to that being under the influence of some mind altering substance and she may not have known her name much less her age.

I wonder why they don't go ahead and name her as a suspect and see if that rattles her cage a bit. It should also open the ability to question her again in more detail. Hmmmmm

AND she was under the duress of being verbally abused by Mr. C.

I think LE will let her sweat a while before they really start to lean on her as a suspect and imagine that she has been a suspect or the suspect for some time, but they surely wanted to avoid her crack defense attorney from claiming that they only focused on her from the beginning.

So who is her attorney anyway?

[ErrinSpelling]

WOW! Finally we hear from Putnam that they are still looking at Misty as a possible suspect?? YA THINK???? Sketchy accounts? Damm straight they are and NOW maybe we will see some action on their part to bring that nasty ass twit into their office and hammer down on her, she can be broken, I can feel it and NOW would be the time to do it!! And WOO? She sure as hell had help with the body and as nasty and law breaking as that skank Nay Nay is, she is my candidate!!!! She also had a car and Misty did not and seeing as they are such BFF's and she knows Nay is a constant presence at a lock-up, I feel that SHE IS THE ONE who helped her!!! That girl has done every felony short of murder and I can easily see her helping honey pie dump a body because I don't think any part of her is decent and good and she would just have the mindset to help commit another felony because I see this stupid broad being in trouble her entire life, she falls into the category of being beyond redemption even at her young age and the folks that deal with idiots like her on a daily basis KNOW where I am coming from with that!!!

And did all you read where Putnam now thinks for sure that it was not a stranger abduction? Could it be, they know more than they have let on for months?? Of course it is not a stranger that did this, having dealt with pedophiles and God Knows we all here know the sickness of pedophilia, had it been a "Couey" he would have known first hand about the doors and that is the thing that convinced me right off that this was no babyraper that entered that home and if it was a rogue trafficker, he would have taken both kids and would have had help, no this has MISTY written all over it! I see where the one detective has posted his address, I think I might compose a letter to him, not to poke fun at what they have been doing, but maybe to give him a little insight and how I think it went down and who knows? We might be on the same page!!

Now today, I have good news!! I wasn't going to say anything until I knew for sure I was going, but I am going to be a college student come 9/11!!! I am going here to a local college and I am going for an Associate's in Public Safety, which means I could have a career in LE again, namely, corrections, but instead of just being a CO, I would be a little more up the food chain like Watch Commander and Shift Leader and I can dig that!!! I aced the entrance exam a 97 out of a possible 100!!! And kids, it has been 33 years since I had to take algebra and trig and I will admit, I fudged and guesstimated my way through that and passed and only God can tell me why!!! SO I qualified for all my financial aid and Wed I have to go to the book store and you would not believe the courses I take this year into next! "Sciences of the Mind", "Forensic Applications" "Microbiotics" and one course in English Lit. And some of this I can do on-line and I can dig that, because sometimes, when I don't feel good enough to go out, I can just sit here and hook up to my class!!!

Now one grant, I do not have to pay back, but the others, I will have $31,000 in loans out so some correctional center better hire my now smarter ass!!! I am sick of sitting in this house and since losing some weight, now down 50 lbs as of Fri, I have felt better in some ways, but the arthritis still kicks my ass and that probably will not change and that sucks, because without that, I would be feeling very good!!! I would be a fool if I told you I wasn't scared to go back to school, I am, but at least I will not have to live in a dorm, been there, done that, I won't have a large class size like I have before, ya got 112 students and one professor and he looks so stressed, ya hate to raise your hand? And like I said, a lot can be accomplished on line. But next year, one usually has a clue what they might want to do with their degree and you can do a lot of hands on, for me, that would be the prison and now since they have more technology than they did when I worked Corrections before, a lot of the gates and doors are operated by computers so no inmates get hip to how and when they open, so I will have to know this before I actually work in a prison full time. My sister was like, why do you want to work still in LE when you can make better money in another field? Well I can't see myself on Wall Street wearing a suit and heels, I can't see myself as a director of a nursing home, or being an accountant or a gopher for a bunch of spoiled people like "stars" and I sure as hell can't see myself sitting in an office typing all day! Now corrections pays pretty good here, better than say deputies and jail flunky's and I should start out at a pretty good salary. What will be nice is not having to rely on the gov for food and money, I will be off that the minute I know I have a job!!!!

that is wonderful news wind!i know you will do well!

[Nawny]

Here we go again, with the timeline. Misty is the key and we all have said that. I think they should haul her in and get more info including an accurate accounting of the night in question. I think this case will be solved but it may take a while. The usual suspects are intellectually limited so it should not be this difficult to get info out of them. If Misty killed Haleigh she probably had an accomplice, someone to help her with the body.

IMO I don't think Misty killed her because the other little one would have been a witness. I do think she had some bad company that night and some one took her out of there. (And she knows who) I can't imagine anything else. Also I believe Haleigh's body will surface. Spirits have a way of pushing back when killers least expect it. Just like Caylee and Stacey and Conner Peterson's remains surfaced, so will hers. Misty had better stay high on drugs or she'll flip over her own reflection one day and scream out loud at herself.
She can't possibly believe she will get off scott free. She has to be chtting her pants a few times a day, and they will catch her. She's too stupid to stay out of jail. IMO

[ErrinSpelling]

Do we really need him to answer that? It seems obvious to me. We are not dealing with a brain surgeon here. We are dealing with a group of people who think about little other than the next party time and what they want to do next. They seem to think of little other than that. It seems this may be another case of "it is all about me."
no we really don't , and i don't like what i am seeing...dead animals now & people who don't know how to think like normal people ans see nothing wrong in using an excuse to the police as partying, when your child is missing 6 months.............

[lorettalockhorn]

Congrats! to you Wind! Go get 'em!. Dontcha worry about age. Older adult students can take advantage of life experience. You will do fine! :beer:
I was 40 when I finally finished my master's degree, divorced raising 2 young boys and worked part-time. Women students far out number men nowadays. It doesn't matter how old you are; learning is a lifetime endeavor.
Also, you've been right all along about Misty and Ronnie Boy. They've been covering up for too long. Sounds like LE is going to put on the pressure they should have applied early on.
:seeya:
DrewB

You set a good example! :beer:

[deacon]

AND she was under the duress of being verbally abused by Mr. C.
I think LE will let her sweat a while before they really start to lean on her as a suspect and imagine that she has been a suspect or the suspect for some time, but they surely wanted to avoid her crack defense attorney from claiming that they only focused on her from the beginning.

So who is her attorney anyway?

I think she was accustomed to that. I think it was more of the mind altering substance. (and if someone else did it, which is likely) the fear of what would happen to her if she rats them out. She may be the next headless rat in the mailbox. That would really fit if it was done out of revenge. Just my thoughts.

[deacon]

no we really don't , and i don't like what i am seeing...dead animals now & people who don't know how to think like normal people ans see nothing wrong in using an excuse to the police as partying, when your child is missing 6 months.............

That seems to be more common in that state right now.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks you guys, I appreciate the kudos! And I DO wish I worked for Putnam Co right about now, because Misty would be sitting in front of me for days and would cop to what she did with Haleigh!!! As for Nay not helping her, who do you suppose did, because she did need help with the body, as I don't see her putting a body in a car without help as she is a pound over bird weight herself and I say it is Nay because she is a criminal and would know where one could possibly dump a body where it might not be found right off?? Like maybe, alligator alley? And we all know Tim thinks this will only be a body recovery mission instead of searching for a possible live subject, the time for that passed 6 months and 7 days ago and whatever is left of the body, it won't be a viable one, she will be like Caylee, just bones. But even with that, the ME determined that the manner of death was homicide because the child did not wrap duct tape around her mouth and deposit herself into three bags and laid down in the woods!!!

I feel very strongly that Haleigh is not far from the trailer park, someplace where Misty is comfortable and confident it might not be found and really, how well did the "Barney's" search? What bothers me is when the three cadaver dogs hit in the dumpster, when a dog who is trained only to recover HUMAN REMAINS and not dead veggies or rotting cow meat, they will sit down to indicate to the handler that they have hit on a dead body and when you have three dogs do this, you might want to take notice, and as far as I know, the landfill was never searched, I wonder if they even went so far as to inquire as to how often they are emptied??? The minute I got a hit from a dog, I would search the place and in this case the dumpster and empty every bag if needed and we did see on TV that they did that, but once I was satisfied that a body was not in there NOW, I would hit the landfill and I don't think they did this???

Now it would be gross, the smell would be awful, but when you have a missing child, how far would you go to find her whether it be dead or alive?? My guys would have crawled every inch of our landfill and I don't think these guys did and that would make sense for someone like Misty, dumb as a stump and apparently they watch a lot of movies for her to put the body in there??? Put Haleigh in a bag in the bottom, this could be done and knowing how this park is, with low life's and rent by the month trailers, how many people pay attention to others they know live there? And the cops, only after coming out with the dogs and it was quite a few days before they hit the dumpster instead of searching it the FIRST DAY which my guys surely would have done, that being a logical place especially when it comes to dealing with the lower classes and I just question all over the place their methods and means and ways they operate???

I can feel it in my gut that she is close to that park and I have all along and honey pie has all the answers and as far as them searching? HELL NO! Ron and the "child bride" have not lifted a finger to search for that child since the first few days after she went missing, Ron was out with others and on horseback, but since then, he squatted in his tent with honey pie and then when they were evicted from there, has holed up at his granny's house and Misty never actively participated in any of the searches and why would she?? It is not her kid and despite the hype she tried to spin that she loved Haleigh and she thought of her as "mama" she did not dig this kid at all, and I can feel that too. Now is the time for them to really get down on her and I pray that they do and she cops to it because this child deserves a proper burial and while Crystal will be very saddened and distraught, at least she will have her body, right now, she has nothing and while we all know she is still holding on to hope, I think by now, she knows that the outcome is not going to be good and I am sure she hates honey pie because I know I would and she only had Ron's say so that Misty could handle her children.

And the 911 call has always given me cause for pause too because the dumb twit did not even know the address and Haleigh's weight and what she was wearing for sure, the pink shirt was found in the laundry pile and if you don't know what a child was wearing when you tucked them in for the night, you don't know what bed you put her in, but yet, you claim that all of them were in the same bed? And then it went to, she was in the same room but on a child's mattress on the floor, then to she was in her own room and bed and she had peed the bed so she used a sheet that was being used for a "curtain"?? Now, if you worked for a reputable police dept, you would be more than skeptical at these "versions" Red flags would be waving big time!!!! As Marc Klaas always says and he is well versed, "the truth never changes" And that is the truth.

Maybe I don't want to think of NayNay being her partner in crime because I can picture them dropping Haleigh and giggling about it or some other stoner reaction. Honestly, I have always thought that Ronniepoo helped her get rid of Haleigh, and I just can't wrap my head around him not being a suspect. His reaction was completely false to me, not just the 911 call, but that throwing himself on the ground the next day. MEH Then again, he does have the maturity of a third grader. maybe

[deacon]

Maybe I don't want to think of NayNay being her partner in crime because I can picture them dropping Haleigh and giggling about it or some other stoner reaction. Honestly, I have always thought that Ronniepoo helped her get rid of Haleigh, and I just can't wrap my head around him not being a suspect. His reaction was completely false to me, not just the 911 call, but that throwing himself on the ground the next day. MEH Then again, he does have the maturity of a third grader. maybe

That is a stretch. Now, the guy who was reportedly there according to jr. could very well had something to do with it. You know, the bouncy couch guy.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think she was accustomed to that. I think it was more of the mind altering substance. (and if someone else did it, which is likely) the fear of what would happen to her if she rats them out. She may be the next headless rat in the mailbox. That would really fit if it was done out of revenge. Just my thoughts.

You just read my mind on two counts! 1) Misty is probably accustomed to Ron's outbursts, threats, etcetera, etcetera, and 2) I wonder what Misty is gonna find in her mailbox. Either from the Ratgate Perp or the likes of those crazies that were camped out on the Anthony's lawn for what seemed like an eternity.

[Nawny]

That is a stretch. Now, the guy who was reportedly there according to jr. could very well had something to do with it. You know, the bouncy couch guy.

Bingo! IMO!

[deacon]

Bingo! IMO!

I just wonder why the couch was bouncing,,,,,, never mind.:rolleyes:

[wind149]

The bouncing couch guy is a black drug dealer and honey pie was banging him before she hooked up with Ron and maybe she still wanted a taste of him and Haleigh walked in on them going at it? I have said this before because God only knows how much these poor kids know about stuff like sex because this trash never were much for hiding their activities and you all, if you haven't yet, pop over to Art Harris and WOO has he got some new poop including that LE really does think that Misty has done away with Haleigh and boy is that a good read, not to mention an eye opener so everyone go over there, check it out and post what you got from it, I think things are gonna start heating up big time!!! I think maybe I misjudged Putnam a tad because they are saying things now that have made perfect sense to me all along and people are posting like crazy on WJXT and the Orlando Sentinel and everyone there thinks it is all about MISTY!! And people are calling this pile of trash the same that we do!!! Interesting!! We went from nothing to 60 in only a couple of hours!!! CHECK THIS OUT AND I AM GOING TO WATCH JANE NOW!

[lorettalockhorn]

Ratgate police report at link. Suspect #2's information is redacted (juvenile), but weighs 110#. Guess that rules out GGMS:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9970528/RatGate

[lorettalockhorn]

Investigators say focus has narrowed in Haleigh’s disappearance


On the day marking Haleigh Cummings’ sixth birthday, authorities said the 17-year-old woman who last saw the Putnam County kindergartner is the primary focus of their investigation.


Physical evidence contradicts where Misty Cummings — then Misty Croslin — told detectives she was when the girl vanished, according to a news release Monday from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. In what are their most detailed comments so far, investigators said Haleigh’s biological parents are not considered suspects in the six-month disappearance and they do not believe it was a stranger abduction.


Misty Cummings is not considered a suspect, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, but knows more than she is telling.

The remarks came as hundreds of balloons with fliers were released at the time of the Satsuma girl’s birth. Her father’s family also joined Monday with an Orlando lawyer to elevate the case in the public’s eye. A search team that scoured the woods near where Haleigh disappeared also is promising to return to search again.


“It’s about time,” Greenwood said about the decision to provide more detail about where the investigation is headed. “We really need the truth, we need to know what happened that night.”


Cummings, who was 16 when Haleigh vanished and has since married her father, “has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance,” according to the statement Monday.


“Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities,” the statement said.


She was living with Ronald Cummings and two of his children in Satsuma and was the one who called the Sheriff’s Office after 3 a.m. on Feb. 10 to report Haleigh missing. Cummings had come home from a late shift at a Palatka plant about the time the call was made.


“She either won’t or can’t account for what she was doing,” Greenwood said.


She has told investigators she was alone with the children that night.


“She is the person who has to know what happened,” he said.


Authorities will not say what evidence contradicts what they were told in interviews, but Greenwood said there was no sign of forced entry to the mobile home where Haleigh disappeared.


He said it is also clear that Haleigh was not prone to wander off in the middle of the night.
Detectives have interviewed the couple and Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, who has been estranged from Cummings for several years. Cummings has custody of Haleigh and their son Ronald Cummings Jr.


Detectives have conducted 138 formal interviews and hundreds of informal ones, according to the department. Greenwood would not say how many hours or how many times Misty Cummings was interviewed. She told the Times-Union she recalled one early interview lasting as long as eight hours.


Ronald Cummings’ mother said she does not believe her daughter-in-law has misled investigators. Misty Croslin has a seventh-grade education, Teresa Neves said and should not be able to fool interrogators that have included FBI agents.


“She feels they are not being fair to her,” Neves said Monday.


Neves said she was glad suspicion was lifted from her son and that detectives should continue to interview anyone who they believe holds information that will help the case, including her daughter-in-law.


“I say more power to them,” Neves said. “Anybody who can actually be tied to this they ought to bring in and keep them until they get the answers.”


Orlando lawyer Mark NeJame, who has worked on the high-profile Caylee Anthony case, said Monday he has met with Neves and the Cummings family to work on focusing public attention on Haleigh. NeJame also has worked with EquuSearch, a search group that specializes in missing children and was involved with both the Anthony and Cummings cases.


EquuSearch founder Tim Miller said Monday he will bring a team back to Putnam to rework areas that were searched in the past. He said he will wait until summer growth has died, which will make searching easier.


Greenwood said thousands of acres have already been searched, but investigators spoke with Miller on Monday and welcome his help trying to locate Haleigh.


“The areas that we felt needed to be searched have been searched,” he said. “We’ll welcome them back.”


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-17/story/investigators_say_focus_has_narrowed_in_haleigh’ s_disappearance

[wind149]

Just watched Jane and I swear Curtis can read my mind and has all along!! He said verbatim what I have been saying all along!!! And I love the points brought up by the other talking heads, I would have liked to hear more from Art because he has been doing his homework with this case, but everyone brought up the the story changes and they showed the Today show piece where Misty is asked why she has changed her stories and she says she doesn't know? Right there, that morning when I watched her response, is when she really went on my radar screen, body language spoke volumes and I could not help but notice the fearful look she shot Ron and it comes as to no surprise that she had seen his rage many times because he looks like he goes off over the slightest thing and also, prolonged drug use tends to make people go off their nut and we know these kiddies like their narcotics!!!

And Art brought up an excellent thing that Putnam did during the news conference today. They asked the public's help for info regarding honey pie and did anyone see her during the supposed time line? But seeing as most of the people that know them and I would imagine that they were not the only criminal element living in that park, how many people do you think will come forward??? I am hoping that some do and what I found compelling too is when Art said that evidence FOUND at the home contradicts her statements to LE and it has to do with a DVD player and a movie??? Apparently, the DVD player was not found to be of reach of the children so how was Haleigh able to reach it and put in a movie??? Curtis brought up another whammy, that why NOW are they doing these things? Why did they spin wheels for 6 months??? And why NOW is she finally on their radar screens???

Something is brewing and Curtis said the same thing I have been maintaining all along. She is not sophisticated and he too feels that if they hammer down, she will break!!! I think since they were so forthcoming with these revelations today, that we might see some real action going down and she has quit cooperating, big surprise there, and to me, that means she has been lying through her trash mouth and been getting away with it and they say that she needs to get a lawyer and I think for her sake, she needs to be getting one!!! Now, she could be charged with a lesser offense of murder if she just hit Haleigh and as a result, she fell and hit her head on a table for example, no real malice behind it so she could be charged with involuntary manslaughter and might be out of prison in time to still have a life. But I think malice was behind it, as I don't think she dug playing Momma, I know she wanted Ron and like I said, she could have just dated him and not played house and we would have never heard the name Haleigh Cummings. And I do agree with the bad cop, good cop, this ploy can work, Susan Smith would not give it up to the Sheriff, but did to the kindly older agent of SLED, it is all it the talk and he went gentle with her and she copped. So if this is going to go down, we might know quicker than we ever thought and Haleigh can be recovered and be given a proper burial, at least her Mama will know where she is, lot's of folks never recover their loved ones and have no place to go to mourn or be able to sit at their grave.

[lorettalockhorn]

RadioNewz says that according to TJ Hart, Amber is talking. I'll see if I can find a post.

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Haleigh Search Picks Up On Her 6th Birthday

ORLANDO -- Monday marks the sixth birthday of Haleigh Cummings, the Putnam County girl who has not been seen since February.

Details of a new search for the girl are expected Monday as Haleigh’s family remembers her birthday.

Attorney and child advocate Mark NeJame held a news conference in Orlando Monday, saying a lot of the media attention has been centered around Haleigh’s father’s struggles with the law.

NeJame said he wants to return the attention to the search for the little girl.

Along with Haleigh’s father, Ronald, and grandmother, Teresa, Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller was present at the conference at NeJame’s request.

Miller said EquuSearch spent the better part of the weekend scouring an area of Putnam County, and developing plans.

“We want to do everything that we can do to make sure they don’t go through the next birthday without having Haleigh home safely, or without having her remains and having that funeral, so they can have a place to go visit her,” Miller said.

“My firm’s role will be limited, although we will be here for anything that needs to be done,” NeJame said. “We are not coming here at the request or as an agent of law enforcement. We are simply helping an grieving family.”

Miller’s search team was in Central Florida in June to search for missing Ocoee woman Tracy Ocasio, but did not turn up anything.

Haleigh is believed to have been kidnapped from her Satsuma home in the middle of the night in February. She has not been seen or heard from since.

A $35,000 reward remains in place for a tip leading to Haleigh’s return. If you have information, call Crime Stoppers at (888) 277-TIPS (8477).


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/17/new_details_on_haleigh_search_on_her_6th_birthday. html

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Haleigh Update: Parents Cleared, Misty's Story Unclear

TJ Hart Reporting
tjhart@entercom.com


The Putnam County Sheriff's Office issued a press release Monday, August 17, 2009--the date of Haleigh Cummings' 6th birthday. Haleigh was taken from her home February 10, 2009 and had been missing ever since.

Lt. Johnny Greenwood, in the press release stated, "At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest."

Ronald and Crystal Are Not Suspects, Misty's Story is Still Inconsistent

The Sheriff's Office stated, "The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case."

Investigators still contend that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. According to the release, "She (Misty) has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities."

Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, according to the press release.

Sheriff Hardy Warns of Bloggers Posing as Reporters

Sheriff Hardy also stated in the release the importance of keeping the public involved in this case, and appreciates all of the leads that have been provided. Every lead that is provided is acted on by investigators. Hardy cautioned the public that because there are many who claim to be valid media outlets, that citizens should be careful not to fall into the trap of believing, or by accident spreading, the untrue and unreliable claims and assumptions of many bloggers who claim to be knowledgeable in the case.

Sheriffs Welcomes Searchers

The Sheriff continues to urge anyone who is assisting, or who wants to assist, to be cautious to stay within the bounds of their authority as they pursue their activities.

Sheriff Hardy also assured the public, but mainly Haleigh’s family, that PCSO will continue to aggressively pursue this case and that we welcome the assistance of all Law Enforcement agencies or any other expert, including air, water, and ground searchers, that can assist in bringing Haleigh home.

Orlando Lawyer Mark LeJame and Texas EquuSearch to Look For Haleigh Soon

Last Friday, The Sky reported that Texas EquuSearch and Orlando Attorney Mark LeJame will be teaming up to conduct searches in the area for Haleigh at the request of Ronald Cummings family members.

NeJame called a press conference Monday announce that EquuSearch will help search for Haleigh once more. They won't search immediately though, because the vegetation is too thick.

Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch said it may be another six weeks to two months before his volunteers will scour the area once more for Haleigh.


Here are some of the facts stated in the press release:

o We have received in excess of 4,000 leads, all of which have been followed up.
o We have conducted 138 formal interviews and several hundred informal interviews with potential witnesses. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
o FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (ie. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
o We have searched thousands of acres, including all property south of Highway 17 near the Cummings residence.
o We have had numerous underwater recovery and search teams search all of the water near the area of the disappearance.
o Aviation assets have conducted several airborne searches.
o K9 assets have searched the area on several occasions.
o Volunteer civilian searchers on foot and horseback searched the wooded areas near the residence.
Haleigh is described as a 5 year old white female. She is approximately 3'0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.

Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit's Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.

A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $35,000 in rewards have been posted.

If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637). We don’t want your name; just your information and you could be eligible for a reward up to $1000.00

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5022879.php

[wind149]

"A seventh grade education" Gee, I put at a third grade, but regardless, this tramp is a pretty brain dead individual! Let's face it, no one really wants to go to school when we are kids, but to quit in 7th grade?? No self pride or ambition beyond doing drugs and hanging out and hooking up with a 25 year old punk with a lust for young girls? There you have the life and times of Misty Croslin, this is as good as it gets for her!!! I would be hard pressed to wonder if she is totally illiterate??? Can she spell her own freaking name?? A woman posted on Art that that area of FL is of the "hillbilly nature" and she called that right!!! I guess you go to school long enough to just get by so the truant officer ain't up your whazoo and then you just quit and hang and let your parents support you with government checks and other bennies and then when you start to bleed, it is time to start hunting for a man and you might be all of 12!! I can guess that this loser lost that cherry at around 12 and I am amazed that she did not have a kid or two herself when she hooked up with Mr Pedophile, maybe she is smart enough to know about birth control??? Or has just been lucky??? When I see her face, I want to slap her, she really sticks in my craw because I KNOW she killed that child, I just am not sure as to the method she used.

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thanks for all of this.
yes, wth is he blathering about...

if tes has to wait about 6 weeks, they can't hardly be looking for a live person.

art harris is supposed to be on jvm at 7 est,tonight.

More weirdness posted by the Barretts before the Sunday broadcast:

Haleigh Cummings – BNN Radio Sunday Aug/16

We will be running our regular Sunday program at 3pm Central. Once again the focus will be on the Haleigh Cummings case. Our panel is still being formalized but will likely be the Barrett clan, TJ Hart or the Sky 97.3, William “Cobra” Staubs, And Denny Griffin. I have been in touch with Art Harris who is currently in California working on another case, and he is going to try and join us, time permitting.

The Haleigh Cummings case took a few bizarre twists this week, and I am sure the panel is going to have lots to talk about.

Ronald Cummings managed to spend some quality time cooling his heels in jail following a confrontation with his brother in law. There is also the headless rat incident, a harmless prank, or some true feelings coming to the surface?

The big news though, was Fridays announcement that Mark NeJame and Tim Miller may well be back in the game. This is being spun as a ‘good thing’. Time will tell on that one. There are some murky questions that I for one would love to get to the bottom of. There are two very different accounts of why Tim Miller pulled his team out when they first started searching for Haleigh Cummings. The popular one is that Law Enforcement asked him to cease and desist. Was this really the case? Or is there another explanation? Certainly some sources are citing a very different reason, and one that if true would be very unfortunate.

Mark NeJame is also an interesting character, a well known Orlando lawyer and businessman. He is best known for representing the Anthony family in the early days of the Caylee Anthony case. NeJame is no-ones fool, he is a sharp cookie, and did not get where he is today by working for free. I have some pet theories, but will keep them to myself for the time being. The one thing I will say is that where Mark NeJame goes, some other characters have a nasty habit of popping up.

To listen to the radio program, point your browser at www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before 3pm Central on Sunday Aug/16, you will see the link on the front page.

Update: I just off the phone with another guest for tomorrow. If this pans out, hold onto your hats. Trouble is brewing.

Simon and Jan Barrett

http://www.blogcatalog.com/search.frame.php?term=haleigh+cummings+case&id=53c10d4c984d8818784f3ac85342cc40

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"A seventh grade education" Gee, I put at a third grade, but regardless, this tramp is a pretty brain dead individual! Let's face it, no one really wants to go to school when we are kids, but to quit in 7th grade?? No self pride or ambition beyond doing drugs and hanging out and hooking up with a 25 year old punk with a lust for young girls? There you have the life and times of Misty Croslin, this is as good as it gets for her!!! I would be hard pressed to wonder if she is totally illiterate??? Can she spell her own freaking name?? A woman posted on Art that that area of FL is of the "hillbilly nature" and she called that right!!! I guess you go to school long enough to just get by so the truant officer ain't up your whazoo and then you just quit and hang and let your parents support you with government checks and other bennies and then when you start to bleed, it is time to start hunting for a man and you might be all of 12!! I can guess that this loser lost that cherry at around 12 and I am amazed that she did not have a kid or two herself when she hooked up with Mr Pedophile, maybe she is smart enough to know about birth control??? Or has just been lucky??? When I see her face, I want to slap her, she really sticks in my craw because I KNOW she killed that child, I just am not sure as to the method she used.

Hard to believe that neither the truant officer NOR her own effing parents could have her in school past 7th grade. And when she moved out of the rents her brother couldn't force her into school either. Read somewhere that Misty now has a DL. But illegally doesn't attend school. :confused: Croslins give hillbillies a bad name.

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Haleigh Investigation Focuses On Misty Croslin

Girl's Birthday Marked With Balloon Release

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Investigators said they are focusing on one key person in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

A candid update to the investigation into Haleigh's death from her Satsuma home last February was released on the girl's sixth birthday. The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said that the work they have done so far minimizes the likelihood that Haleigh's disappearance is the work of a stranger.

Investigators said that evidence at the scene contradicts what the new bride, Misty Croslin-Cummings, of the girl's father, Ronald Cummings, has told them regarding the evening that Haleigh disappeared from her bed while she was in Croslin-Cummings' care.

Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's biological parents, have been publicly cleared in the investigation.

Meanwhile, the family invited the community to join the release by printing out a flier with Haleigh's picture on it, put it in a red or purple balloon and releasing it at 2:16 p.m. Monday.

Orlando attorney Make NeJame and Texas EqquSearch founder Tim Miller also announced they are teaming up to search for Haleigh. Miller said the search will take place in four to six weeks -- when he believes weather conditions and vegetation will be more conducive to finding the girl. The search has spanned thousands of acres of land to date, including all of the area near the Cummings' home. Aerial and underwater searches have also been conducted.

Miller said about 50 EquuSearch members and volunteers will conduct the search. The group has searched for the girl previously and also searched for Caylee Anthony.

So far in the search for Haleigh, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office has followed up on 4,000 leads. Several hundred informal interviews and 138 formal interviews have been conducted since the girl disappeared.

In a special report on WESH 2 News at 11, reporter Michelle Meredith hears from the Cummings family about the search for Haleigh.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20422695/detail.html

[DrewBerry]

You just read my mind on two counts! 1) Misty is probably accustomed to Ron's outbursts, threats, etcetera, etcetera, and 2) I wonder what Misty is gonna find in her mailbox. Either from the Ratgate Perp or the likes of those crazies that were camped out on the Anthony's lawn for what seemed like an eternity.

HA! Thanks for another good laugh, Loretta! :beer:

DrewB

[DrewBerry]

You set a good example! :beer:

And, you, as well, my dear Loretta! :beer:

I've so enjoyed the posts tonight. Hopefully, there will be some answers soon for little Haleigh. I suppose it's in the spotlight tonight since it's her birthday. :rose:
While I don't believe Misty Meth-head killed little Haleigh, like most of us here, I believe she has answers. Why has it been so difficult to make her talk? :confused:

DrewB

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And, you, as well, my dear Loretta! :beer:

I've so enjoyed the posts tonight. Hopefully, there will be some answers soon for little Haleigh. I suppose it's in the spotlight tonight since it's her birthday. :rose:
While I don't believe Misty Meth-head killed little Haleigh, like most of us here, I believe she has answers. Why has it been so difficult to make her talk? :confused:

DrewB

Thanks Drew, great to see you! :seeya: It's hard to know what to believe, but almost have to think that Misty won't talk because of her self-preservation instincts are at Level Red/High Alert. She doesn't strike me as the kind of person who faces life head-on.

[Marian Paroo]

7th Grade Education?


Jeezlouize!!!!!

[beemer]

So proud of ya both Loretta and Wind:rose::rose: Loretta for your accomplishments and Wind for your's yet to come. You have found your calling Wind-good for you :beer:

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Morning! :seeya:

Radio posted: Misty Cummings is not considered a suspect, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of PCSO, but knows more than she is telling, but I can't get on their server, can someone snag this for us?

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-17/story/investigators_say_focus_has_narrowed_in_haleigh’ s_disappearance

[Amy]

So, if Mr Barrett has something that he seems to think would put Tim Miller in a less than favorable light, why doesn't he just come out and say it, instead of beating around the bush? Possibly because he got his information from a less than stellar citizen, one who's credibility might not be so good in the eyes of the public and the message board posters? Perhaps if he really spoke or wrote his information, he would be hooted out of his blog? I know that Tim Miller is not a saint, but he is one fine man, and I do not think he runs TES for the publicity. There are thousands of searches TES has been on that only the people involved w/the search and the families of the missing know about.

Now, I think both Leonard Padilla and Cobra have done some good things. However, if I were to stand behind any of the three, I think I'd be hanging behind Tim Miller. I mention those two because Mr Barrett has included them in his blogs I have read. The one kind of put LP and Tim Miller in the same sentence with a comment about Tim Miller.

And, so, why not let US know the "other reason" that Tim Miller might have had for leaving the search?

[Woostock]

So Misty is not considered a suspect? OK.......
So unless the suspect is Jr, there appears to be another person present who then is a suspect, such as NeyNey, or cousin Huey or whatever his name was, but they were all probably high on drugs and out in space somewhere. I got a child out of a house last week bec. the "caretakers" were stoned on illegal drugs. However, the child was a baby and in a deplorable conditions.

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So, if Mr Barrett has something that he seems to think would put Tim Miller in a less than favorable light, why doesn't he just come out and say it, instead of beating around the bush? Possibly because he got his information from a less than stellar citizen, one who's credibility might not be so good in the eyes of the public and the message board posters? Perhaps if he really spoke or wrote his information, he would be hooted out of his blog? I know that Tim Miller is not a saint, but he is one fine man, and I do not think he runs TES for the publicity. There are thousands of searches TES has been on that only the people involved w/the search and the families of the missing know about.

Now, I think both Leonard Padilla and Cobra have done some good things. However, if I were to stand behind any of the three, I think I'd be hanging behind Tim Miller. I mention those two because Mr Barrett has included them in his blogs I have read. The one kind of put LP and Tim Miller in the same sentence with a comment about Tim Miller.

And, so, why not let US know the "other reason" that Tim Miller might have had for leaving the search?

Could not agree more. They love TM at Scared Monkeys, maybe that would be a good place to get to the bottom of this business.

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So Misty is not considered a suspect? OK.......
So unless the suspect is Jr, there appears to be another person present who then is a suspect, such as NeyNey, or cousin Huey or whatever his name was, but they were all probably high on drugs and out in space somewhere. I got a child out of a house last week bec. the "caretakers" were stoned on illegal drugs. However, the child was a baby and in a deplorable conditions.

Woo, could you read that article? Not exactly sure how Misty can hold the key and not be considered suspect or a suspect either. For some reason she can't or won't comply with LE, that is suspicious. And LE can say that Ron isn't a suspect, but I somehow doubt that too.

[Marian Paroo]

Just what are the educational requirements for LE in that neck of the woods?

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Haleigh's parents cleared; lawmen doubt babysitter

By Kristin Chambers
Published: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:54 AM EDT
Parents of Haleigh Cummings, the Satsuma kindergartner missing since February, have been cleared of suspicion in her disappearance, authorities said Monday.

But deputies said Misty Croslin-Cummings may still hold answers.

"The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood said in a statement issued Monday. "Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case," he said.

Croslin-Cummings told deputies she was babysitting Haleigh when she vanished. The 17-year-old married Ronald Cummings about a month after Haleigh disappeared.

Putnam County lawmen on Monday once again said they had doubts about Croslin-Cummings' accounts of what happened the night before the child was reported missing.

"She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh's disappearance," Greenwood said. "Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty's sketchy account of her evening activities."

The sheriff's office is asking the public's help to confirm Croslin-Cummings activities, Greenwood said.

"Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty's activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office," he said.

Attempts to reach Croslin-Cummings for comment were unsuccessful.

In the months since Haleigh vanished, investigators have followed more than 4,000 leads and conducted 138 formal interviews, as well as several hundred informal interviews with potential witnesses, authorities said.

"We are working diligently to find Haleigh have been from early the morning of Feb. 10," Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Monday. "This effort will not stop until she is found."

No trace of Haleigh has been found and no suspects have been identified by investigators.

"The evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh's disappearance is the work of a stranger," Greenwood said. "There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest."

A nationwide Amber Alert was issued for Haleigh, and searches involving helicopters, trained dogs, horseback and underwater teams explored areas surrounding the Cummings home in Satsuma.

Meanwhile, EquuSearch, a Texas-based equine search team, will conduct another search for Haleigh in four to six weeks.

Orlando attorney Mark NeJame and EquuSearch founder Tim Miller said they believe vegetation and weather conditions will be more conductive to finding the kindergartener.

About 50 EquuSearch members and volunteers will be conducting the search.

In Monday's statement, Greenwood also urged residents to beware of "untrue and unreliable claims and assumptions of many bloggers who claim to be knowledgeable in the case."

Greenwood also said anyone who assists the investigation must act legally, which appeared to be a reference to a South Florida bounty hunter who faces charges in Putnam County for apprehending and questioning an accused sex offender.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/08/18/news/news01.txt

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Just what are the educational requirements for LE in that neck of the woods?

Guess it depends on whether or not you're certified?

http://www.pcso.us/employment

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Focus is narrowing in Haleigh's disappearance, police say

Investigators: Her 17-year-old stepmom is not a suspect in the disappearance, but knows more than she is telling


On the day marking Haleigh Cummings’ sixth birthday, authorities said the 17-year-old woman who last saw the Putnam County kindergartner is the primary focus of their investigation.

Physical evidence contradicts where Misty Cummings — then Misty Croslin — told detectives she was when the girl vanished, according to a news release Monday from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. In what are their most detailed comments so far, investigators said Haleigh’s biological parents are not considered suspects in the six-month disappearance and they do not believe it was a stranger abduction.

Misty Cummings is not considered a suspect, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, but knows more than she is telling.

The remarks came as hundreds of balloons with fliers were released at the time of the Satsuma girl’s birth. Her father’s family also joined Monday with an Orlando lawyer to elevate the case in the public’s eye. A search team that scoured the woods near where Haleigh disappeared also is promising to return to search again.

“It’s about time,” Greenwood said about the decision to provide more detail about where the investigation is headed. “We really need the truth, we need to know what happened that night.”

Cummings, who was 16 when Haleigh vanished and has since married her father, “has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance,” according to the statement Monday.

“Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities,” the statement said.

She was living with Ronald Cummings and two of his children in Satsuma and was the one who called the Sheriff’s Office after 3 a.m. on Feb. 10 to report Haleigh missing. Cummings had come home from a late shift at a Palatka plant about the time the call was made.

“She either won’t or can’t account for what she was doing,” Greenwood said.

She has told investigators she was alone with the children that night.

“She is the person who has to know what happened,” he said.

Authorities will not say what evidence contradicts what they were told in interviews, but Greenwood said there was no sign of forced entry to the mobile home where Haleigh disappeared.

He said it is also clear that Haleigh was not prone to wander off in the middle of the night.
Detectives have interviewed the couple and Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, who has been estranged from Cummings for several years. Cummings has custody of Haleigh and their son Ronald Cummings Jr.

Detectives have conducted 138 formal interviews and hundreds of informal ones, according to the department. Greenwood would not say how many hours or how many times Misty Cummings was interviewed. She told the Times-Union she recalled one early interview lasting as long as eight hours.

Ronald Cummings’ mother said she does not believe her daughter-in-law has misled investigators. Misty Croslin has a seventh-grade education, Teresa Neves said and should not be able to fool interrogators that have included FBI agents.

“She feels they are not being fair to her,” Neves said Monday.

Neves said she was glad suspicion was lifted from her son and that detectives should continue to interview anyone who they believe holds information that will help the case, including her daughter-in-law.

“I say more power to them,” Neves said. “Anybody who can actually be tied to this they ought to bring in and keep them until they get the answers.”

Orlando lawyer Mark NeJame, who has worked on the high-profile Caylee Anthony case, said Monday he has met with Neves and the Cummings family to work on focusing public attention on Haleigh. NeJame also has worked with EquuSearch, a search group that specializes in missing children and was involved with both the Anthony and Cummings cases.

EquuSearch founder Tim Miller said Monday he will bring a team back to Putnam to rework areas that were searched in the past. He said he will wait until summer growth has died, which will make searching easier.

Greenwood said thousands of acres have already been searched, but investigators spoke with Miller on Monday and welcome his help trying to locate Haleigh.

“The areas that we felt needed to be searched have been searched,” he said. “We’ll welcome them back.”

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-17/story/focus_is_narrowing_in_haleighs_disappearance_polic e_say

Videos at link.

[wind149]

MP, I have been pondering that same thing, what are the requirements to work for PC??? I know what I and the others had to qualify for and everyone worked together as a team and a family because I considered several of my guys as family members and also good friends as I worked with a dedicated bunch of people and the dept still maintains a high level of professionalism and they care about humanity and yeah, even some of the screw-ups because you would hope that after a stint in jail that they would want to turn their lives around, but then you have your frequent fliers as it were that are still messing up to this day! Now maybe PC is not ready to declare her a suspect, they sure are focusing on her again and a guy commented on WJXT that maybe they are trying to shake her tree, and what I mean by that is to keep an eye on her, maybe follow her and see if she goes out to a field or waterway checking to see if the body is still where she left it??? Some people like to return to the scenes like Gary Ridgeway did, or you get the ones that once LE is starting to re-think them as a suspect, they do return to the burial site.

What I still find disturbing is all of a sudden, they NOW are looking at her and it has been staring them in the face all along, she was the last one to be near Haleigh, Now you got some folks that think Ron and Misty sold her for drugs, I don't see that, and I still think if they were to sell her to a known trafficker, someone would have knowledge of that, the criminal element sometimes do not keep their yaps shut and that is usually their downfall. And these losers are really low on the totem pole of humanity, Ron thinking he is a complete stud with the "young ladies of Satsuma" and a bad ass and goes so far as to put a dead rat in a mailbox, that is one on my record book!!! I told you all from day one that these people were complete white trash and if you looked up the meaning in a Webster, these people would be the ones used as an example!!! Did anyone check out Art?? Really good reading there IMO!! He seems to have an uncanny way of getting to the truth and he looks like a little gnome, not one you would think to get involved in a case like this, but boy I am glad he is!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Update: Flashback! Misty Holds The Key


Haleigh Update: Flashback! Misty Holds The Key

TJ Hart Reporting
tjhart@entercom.com


The Putnam County Sheriff's Office released a statement Monday, August 17, 2009 on the progress of the invetigation into the abduction of now 6 year old Haleigh Cummings. Monday was Haleigh's birthday.

In that press release, Sheriff Jeff Hardy publicly cleared Haleigh's biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, as possible suspects.

In that same release, PCSO stated:

"Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities. Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office."

Nothing could be more telling and more chilling than Misty's appearance on NBC's TODAY SHOW where she could not answer the question regarding her inconsistencies and the pained look on Ron's face when she looked at him and he looked straight at the ground.

The question that was asked the week Ronald decided to marry Misty Croslin-Cummings still remains today: "Why would he marry the woman who can't tell police what happened the night his child was taken."

Let me take you back to an interview I conducted with private investigator William "Cobra" Staubs telling the story of a proposed re-inactment that fell through. Also in the audio is Cobra re-telling Ronald's explanation for marrying Misty.

AUDIO: William "Cobra" Staubs (R-rated language)

Ronald and Crystal recently released their attorneys once a Department of Families and Children investigation found no evidence that Ronald abused either of his children.

Since then, Misty has reportedly hired an attorney and she has refused to going for any further questioning by law enformcement. Prior to that, she'd been questioned more than ten times and reportedly polygraphed twice.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5024500.php

[lorettalockhorn]

Balloons for Haleigh pix:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=491752182&albumId=684783&page=1

[lorettalockhorn]

A few words from Tim Miller and the Cummings family in their "possible abduction" tee shirts:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1216778830

[One2Snoop]

RadioNewz says that according to TJ Hart, Amber is talking. I'll see if I can find a post.

Can you refresh my memory - who is Amber?

Thanks! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

MP, I have been pondering that same thing, what are the requirements to work for PC??? I know what I and the others had to qualify for and everyone worked together as a team and a family because I considered several of my guys as family members and also good friends as I worked with a dedicated bunch of people and the dept still maintains a high level of professionalism and they care about humanity and yeah, even some of the screw-ups because you would hope that after a stint in jail that they would want to turn their lives around, but then you have your frequent fliers as it were that are still messing up to this day! Now maybe PC is not ready to declare her a suspect, they sure are focusing on her again and a guy commented on WJXT that maybe they are trying to shake her tree, and what I mean by that is to keep an eye on her, maybe follow her and see if she goes out to a field or waterway checking to see if the body is still where she left it??? Some people like to return to the scenes like Gary Ridgeway did, or you get the ones that once LE is starting to re-think them as a suspect, they do return to the burial site.

What I still find disturbing is all of a sudden, they NOW are looking at her and it has been staring them in the face all along, she was the last one to be near Haleigh, Now you got some folks that think Ron and Misty sold her for drugs, I don't see that, and I still think if they were to sell her to a known trafficker, someone would have knowledge of that, the criminal element sometimes do not keep their yaps shut and that is usually their downfall. And these losers are really low on the totem pole of humanity, Ron thinking he is a complete stud with the "young ladies of Satsuma" and a bad ass and goes so far as to put a dead rat in a mailbox, that is one on my record book!!! I told you all from day one that these people were complete white trash and if you looked up the meaning in a Webster, these people would be the ones used as an example!!! Did anyone check out Art?? Really good reading there IMO!! He seems to have an uncanny way of getting to the truth and he looks like a little gnome, not one you would think to get involved in a case like this, but boy I am glad he is!!!

I think LE has been looking at Misty all along, and I think some of what they've put out yesterday is blowing smoke. But, maybe that's just me.

I've posted all or most of Art Harris' articles on Haleigh here, he's an okay writer (needs an editor in the worst way), but I take issue with the fact that he has seemingly superglued himself to the Barretts, especially if they're going to promote LP's busting on Tim Miller, and while I think Cobra's heart is in the right place, he hasn't helped the case much or himself one bit.

TM's and TES' record and reputation is time honored and speaks for itself, no need for the BNN yahoos to pussyfoot around with some unknown charges about their president.

Art also has a forum where his Machiavellian moderator doesn't allow theories or opinions to be posted; ridiculous for someone who makes a living based on first amendment rights, and it's my guess that while he's out on the left coast chasing a much bigger story, he's not paying enough attention to what goes on in his own back yard.

[lorettalockhorn]

Can you refresh my memory - who is Amber?

Thanks! :seeya:

Howdy stranger, new in town?! :seeya:

Amber is Ron's other baby teenmama. Couldn't find anything posted anywhere except twitter that she is talking. Not that she's probably very reliable.

[deacon]

One article I read says misty is still on the list of suspects or so it seems and then another says she isn't a suspect but has information that LE needs. Well, which is it? Is she a suspect or not?

[One2Snoop]

Howdy stranger, new in town?! :seeya:

Amber is Ron's other baby teenmama. Couldn't find anything posted anywhere except twitter that she is talking. Not that she's probably very reliable.

LOL - yes I've been gone awhile. I'm still trying to catch up. Thanks for the info.

[Marian Paroo]

Guess it depends on whether or not you're certified?

http://www.pcso.us/employment

It doesn't say what the minimum education level is, just that there are perks for an AA or more.

Jeezlouize, I wonder if they require a HS diploma or a GED.

[lorettalockhorn]

One article I read says misty is still on the list of suspects or so it seems and then another says she isn't a suspect but has information that LE needs. Well, which is it? Is she a suspect or not?

Don't know if it's a matter of interpretation by reporters or what, I've tried to post the news in chronological order, but I know there are some exceptions. And what about the article that mentions Haleigh's death? :eek:

My money is on Misty being a suspect. But then again, my money is on Ron being a suspect too.

[lorettalockhorn]

It doesn't say what the minimum education level is, just that there are perks for an AA or more.

Jeezlouize, I wonder if they require a HS diploma or a GED.

Looks to me like they hire on non-degreed personnel:

...Other Incentives
Salary Incentive (certified officer)

$360.00/year Associates Degree
$960.00/year Bachelors Degree
$240.00/year for every 80 hours of
advanced training completed

Other Compensation (certified officer)

$ 350.00/year Associates Degree
$ 550.00/year Bachelors Degree
$ 850.00/year Masters Degree
$ 300.00/year Emergency Medical Technician
$ 300.00/year Foreign Language Skill
Paid Overtime for Special Teams/Units...

The degree doesn't seem to have much oomph, does it?

[deacon]

Don't know if it's a matter of interpretation by reporters or what, I've tried to post the news in chronological order, but I know there are some exceptions. And what about the article that mentions Haleigh's death? :eek:

My money is on Misty being a suspect. But then again, my money is on Ron being a suspect too.

I think it is misty's couch buddy and she is scared of him.

[Woostock]

Deacon
you probably hit the nail right on the head. That makes sense.
But I still can't figure out why Ron married Misty....

[wind149]

According to Art Harris the question of why Ron married honey pie was that he wanted to keep her close to him seeing as she was the last person to see his child and that he loved her??? Now, I posted on Art's site that if you are not sure of a person, that you are not sure if they did away with your child, then why the hell did he marry her??? Now according to Mrs Sea Hag, (Misty's mama) that they had planned on getting married BEFORE Haleigh went missing but do we really know that for sure? Nope, we sure don't!! And to me it had the makings of a shotgun wedding except the bride was not preggers, it came off as being hastily thrown together and it was cheesy as hell with that fake arbor and to me, she did not look like a blushing bride and the wedding party could have beeen extras on CMT's "RED NECK WEDDING" But for Misty, Ron is the best thing that ever happened to her, till it dawned on her pea brain that she would be spending hours and hours with two young children and one of which had issues and I truly believe too that she was jealous of the kids because of maybe the attention Ron paid to them and seeing as she would be graded as very ignorant, her mentality rates her about third grade level which means she was by far not remotely emotionally ready to be a mama, but she wanted to keep Ron and maybe if she got rid of one of the kids, then he would spend more time with her as maybe Jr can amuse himself better and maybe is not demanding???

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it is misty's couch buddy and she is scared of him.

Shouldn't she have been afraid of him before the bouncy couchy? And I'm not sure what to think of Junior's report of that; it wouldn't occur to me that White Boy Greg is a black guy, would a four year old consider him to be black? Or was Junior's report that it was a guy in black and did Crystal add that it was a black guy in black.

At any rate, I'd think she'd be more afraid of Ron than all the scofflaws, misdemeanants, miscreants, RSOs and felons in Satsuma combined. you know, sleep with one eye open scared.

[lorettalockhorn]

According to Art Harris the question of why Ron married honey pie was that he wanted to keep her close to him seeing as she was the last person to see his child and that he loved her??? Now, I posted on Art's site that if you are not sure of a person, that you are not sure if they did away with your child, then why the hell did he marry her??? Now according to Mrs Sea Hag, (Misty's mama) that they had planned on getting married BEFORE Haleigh went missing but do we really know that for sure? Nope, we sure don't!! And to me it had the makings of a shotgun wedding except the bride was not preggers, it came off as being hastily thrown together and it was cheesy as hell with that fake arbor and to me, she did not look like a blushing bride and the wedding party could have beeen extras on CMT's "RED NECK WEDDING" But for Misty, Ron is the best thing that ever happened to her, till it dawned on her pea brain that she would be spending hours and hours with two young children and one of which had issues and I truly believe too that she was jealous of the kids because of maybe the attention Ron paid to them and seeing as she would be graded as very ignorant, her mentality rates her about third grade level which means she was by far not remotely emotionally ready to be a mama, but she wanted to keep Ron and maybe if she got rid of one of the kids, then he would spend more time with her as maybe Jr can amuse himself better and maybe is not demanding???

EXCEPT the extras on RNW appear to be enjoying themselves! Ron&Misty's nuptials did not seem like a happy occasion (despite the fact that it was what Haleigh wanted :rolleyes: ).

Seems to me that Ron's account (to Cobra?) about keeping Misty close was the same night that the re-enactment was planned. Cobra reported that Misty put the kibosh on that, but I think Ron could have had as much to do with that as her.

[deacon]

Deacon
you probably hit the nail right on the head. That makes sense.
But I still can't figure out why Ron married Misty....

I don't want to be nasty but he is thinking with the wrong head.:eek:

[deacon]

Shouldn't she have been afraid of him before the bouncy couchy? And I'm not sure what to think of Junior's report of that; it wouldn't occur to me that White Boy Greg is a black guy, would a four year old consider him to be black? Or was Junior's report that it was a guy in black and did Crystal add that it was a black guy in black.

At any rate, I'd think she'd be more afraid of Ron than all the scofflaws, misdemeanants, miscreants, RSOs and felons in Satsuma combined. you know, sleep with one eye open scared.

That is where I disagree. I think the other guy may have threatened her life.

[lorettalockhorn]

That is where I disagree. I think the other guy may have threatened her life.

Oh for crying out loud, we've heard how Ron talked to Misty with witnesses present. I can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors. But to your point, I think it's possible that any number of people may have threatened Misty.

So I see NG is back on the case tonight and I tuned in just in time to hear Dr. Lillian Glass commenting on Misty's detachment; that she refers to Haleigh as "that little girl". Helllllloooooo We can count on the fingers of one hand the times that Ron has actually uttered Haleigh's name. But Nancy is really hanging her hat on the fact that Ron isn't a suspect. GGMS is talking in circles about the timeline. Raymond (the defense attorney type) thinks LE is trying to smoke Misty out. On that I do agree. I just hope that Ron (or anyone) doesn't try to choke the truth out of her.

[deacon]

Oh for crying out loud, we've heard how Ron talked to Misty with witnesses present. I can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors. But to your point, I think it's possible that any number of people may have threatened Misty.

So I see NG is back on the case tonight and I tuned in just in time to hear Dr. Lillian Glass commenting on Misty's detachment; that she refers to Haleigh as "that little girl". Helllllloooooo We can count on the fingers of one hand the times that Ron has actually uttered Haleigh's name. But Nancy is really hanging her hat on the fact that Ron isn't a suspect. GGMS is talking in circles about the timeline. Raymond (the defense attorney type) thinks LE is trying to smoke Misty out. On that I do agree. I just hope that Ron (or anyone) doesn't try to choke the truth out of her.

I know he has used language talking to her that should not be said but it isn't the same as a direct threat. I am not taking anyone's side here, just stating that I think the couch guy, who ever he is (and I am not convinced that it is white boy greg), could have directly threatened her. That group are not the brightest crayons in the box and I would never say things like that to my wife (and live to tell of it either) but I do not see or hear a death threat in his language toward her. I did, however, hear a death threat from him to who ever had his daughter so the concept of death threats is not new to him.

I agree that LE is trying to get the truth out of her. I just happen to think it will be who did the deed and not that she did it. Me thinks she doth not have the guts to kill the child. If she were that tough on her she would not have told ron about the trouble she was having. She simply would have done what it took to get Haleigh to conform to what she wanted.

[wind149]

Have just been watching Nancy and boy is she fired up tonight and she has done a 360, now she believes that Misty has been lying all along and one talking head agreed with her and here again, as a lawyer, she is saying that Misty better go get one because she is going to need one. Now Granny Sykes was on tonight and that is the granny they are living with and you would think Misty would want to be on there as well proclaiming that she is innocent, and all Granny said matters none, nothing she said shed any light on anything and I think she does believe Misty because she wants to believe her just like Marie, but I bet there are seeds of doubt in their minds, there has to be and I think that this has gone on too long and while I applaud Putnam for asking if anyone can dispute Misty's whereabouts in the so-called time line and really, does anyone really know for sure if that is the truth??

I asked people on WJXT if they know something to please contact Putnam and I think that someone knows and are probably afraid of Ron and I told the posters that he is a nothing, he does not have any affiliations to drug cartels and sure as hell knows no one in the Costa Nostra, he is just a local punk and that they need to do the right thing and tell Putnam if they saw her that night? Another contradiction is the blankets. Now she claims she put them to bed at 8 pm and then washed blankets to put on them? Would you not do that during the day when Haleigh would be in school??? I know some people are afraid because they fear being labeled a rat, but this is not some low level drug deal, this is a missing child for Christ's sakes!!!! And then we have the mentality of the folks down there in Deliverance, I am going out on a limb here, but from the sounds of things in Satsuma, it is a run down dump of a town and the lower mentalities would gravitate there and people like this do not like police and are not apt to want to talk to them, so I am thinking that people are not going to come forward even if they saw her at the local store!

As for the couch buddy? Who knows? He has never been forthcoming with info and don't forget he is a low level drug dealer himself and is no stranger to jail either. Does anyone have info about what Amber could be talking about??? I do think that the walls are closing in on honey pie and for the sake of argument, maybe they have not been spinning wheels like we have thought? Now for them to come forward and say with reverence that they are positive that this is NOT a stranger abduction, means that they are possibly close to hauling her ass in and charging her with at least false info? Obstruction? That dumpster still bothers me too. 3 well trained cadaver dogs hit on the same one, they sit down which indicates to their handler that human remains were in there at some point, not rotting veggies or fish, and I have not ever found out if the landfill was even an issue to Putnam and I would have searched it that day she came up gone, but I am not them.

[lorettalockhorn]

I know he has used language talking to her that should not be said but it isn't the same as a direct threat. I am not taking anyone's side here, just stating that I think the couch guy, who ever he is (and I am not convinced that it is white boy greg), could have directly threatened her. That group are not the brightest crayons in the box and I would never say things like that to my wife (and live to tell of it either) but I do not see or hear a death threat in his language toward her. I did, however, hear a death threat from him to who ever had his daughter so the concept of death threats is not new to him.

I agree that LE is trying to get the truth out of her. I just happen to think it will be who did the deed and not that she did it. Me thinks she doth not have the guts to kill the child. If she were that tough on her she would not have told ron about the trouble she was having. She simply would have done what it took to get Haleigh to conform to what she wanted.

I don't really have a side here either, everyone seems sub-elemental, but it's Ron&Misty who had charge of Haleigh and were directly responsible for her, so they get the brunt of my disdain. We haven't heard Ron or anyone threaten Misty's life, but I think Ron is just as capable as Bouncy Couch Man or anyone else, and if she is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance or death, then he has publicly threatened her. (OKAY! Nits are now picked!)

True, Misty may not have the guts to kill Haleigh, but she might have had the klutz to do it; it could have been an accident. It's hard to know what to think even with LE coming forward with a statement, we've figured out a lot of what they've verified on our own. One thing that Nancy's vids really drove home tonight is that Misty said that she would do anything to bring Haleigh home. Guess that went by the wayside.

I'm a little curious as to why LE doesn't arrest Misty for obstruction or failure to protect or felony child neglect or some combination that would leave her in jail for a while until bond could be conjured up. Guess they're waiting for some confirmation about what exactly Misty was doing that night, but are short on reliable witnesses.

I'm also a more than a little curious as to why (if it's true) that Ron is not a suspect; he told the media that the house had been broken into, which is simply not true. Did he only lie to the cameras, or did he lie to LE too? And if he lied to LE, then why? I smell a big ol rat. And not the one that miracled its headless self into the Croslin's mailbox.

If and when we do disagree here, I can't think of a bunch of folks that I'd rather have a difference of opinion than the peeps that care about Haleigh and Caylee and so many others. :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, I think those cadaver dogs alerting on the dumpster is uber important too. There was human decomposition in that dumpster at some time! I don't believe in the rotting meat, used feminine hygiene product, etc. business. Well trained dogs don't make that mistake.

[deacon]

I don't really have a side here either, everyone seems sub-elemental, but it's Ron&Misty who had charge of Haleigh and were directly responsible for her, so they get the brunt of my disdain. We haven't heard Ron or anyone threaten Misty's life, but I think Ron is just as capable as Bouncy Couch Man or anyone else, and if she is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance or death, then he has publicly threatened her. (OKAY! Nits are now picked!)

True, Misty may not have the guts to kill Haleigh, but she might have had the klutz to do it; it could have been an accident. It's hard to know what to think even with LE coming forward with a statement, we've figured out a lot of what they've verified on our own. One thing that Nancy's vids really drove home tonight is that Misty said that she would do anything to bring Haleigh home. Guess that went by the wayside.

I'm a little curious as to why LE doesn't arrest Misty for obstruction or failure to protect or felony child neglect or some combination that would leave her in jail for a while until bond could be conjured up. Guess they're waiting for some confirmation about what exactly Misty was doing that night, but are short on reliable witnesses.

I'm also a more than a little curious as to why (if it's true) that Ron is not a suspect; he told the media that the house had been broken into, which is simply not true. Did he only lie to the cameras, or did he lie to LE too? And if he lied to LE, then why? I smell a big ol rat. And not the one that miracled its headless self into the Croslin's mailbox.

If and when we do disagree here, I can't think of a bunch of folks that I'd rather have a difference of opinion than the peeps that care about Haleigh and Caylee and so many others. :tongue:

The obstruction thing would be a stretch here. They have no proof she is obstructing without evidence as to how she is doing it. The failure to protect or felony child neglect would also be somewhat of a stretch. From all they have heard (and I too think it is a bunch of lies) is that "someone" took Haliegh. A dime store lawyer would have her out in a matter of minutes or hours and they may be sued for false arrest. They must have probable cause and their burden of proof is much higher than the one we have as we form our opinions.

ron lie? Of course he did. The question is how much and what part of his story was a lie. We don't know that either. We can speculate but LE can not. They must have proof. This type of person would sue in a heart beat. I think we all know this. That would just be another "side story" that would interfere with the task at hand. Finding Haliegh.

Yes, I like disagreement with respect. We all have different opinions or else the world would be a boring place. We all come from different places with different background on which to base those opinions. The thing I like is that while we may not agree, we can still be friends.:D

[lorettalockhorn]

The obstruction thing would be a stretch here. They have no proof she is obstructing without evidence as to how she is doing it. The failure to protect or felony child neglect would also be somewhat of a stretch. From all they have heard (and I too think it is a bunch of lies) is that "someone" took Haliegh. A dime store lawyer would have her out in a matter of minutes or hours and they may be sued for false arrest. They must have probable cause and their burden of proof is much higher than the one we have as we form our opinions.

ron lie? Of course he did. The question is how much and what part of his story was a lie. We don't know that either. We can speculate but LE can not. They must have proof. This type of person would sue in a heart beat. I think we all know this. That would just be another "side story" that would interfere with the task at hand. Finding Haliegh.

Yes, I like disagreement with respect. We all have different opinions or else the world would be a boring place. We all come from different places with different background on which to base those opinions. The thing I like is that while we may not agree, we can still be friends.:D

The obstruction charges would come from whatever physical/forensic evidence they have stated doesn't match with Misty's statements, but you're right, since they haven't elaborated, that's only up for speculation on our (my) part.

As for the neglect and failure to protect charges, those could have been brought by DCF and the DA could move on this without having to pin down LE on the specifics of the case. I've ragged on Ronnie for not working, but I wouldn't want to leave Junior in Misty's care either; I'd be tucking him in myself every night (unless I know who/what/why Haleigh was abducted and know that my little boy is safe). Still, I bet it's a nightmare for Crystal having those liars in charge of her Butterbean.

[beemer]

I keep having this thought pop into my head. Could LE be putting the spotlight on Misty to smoke them both out? If they were both involved it just may cause some fire? This case is a tough one as there is so much we dont know. LE has not presented any better than the cast of characters. I hope i am wrong and LE got past 7th grade:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I keep having this thought pop into my head. Could LE be putting the spotlight on Misty to smoke them both out? If they were both involved it just may cause some fire? This case is a tough one as there is so much we dont know. LE has not presented any better than the cast of characters. I hope i am wrong and LE got past 7th grade:shrug:

For some reason I just don't believe that Ron is in the clear. :shrug: Ron&Misty neither one would lie if they didn't have some valid (if only to themselves) reason for doing so. One thing I am sure of is that I waffle a lot about what could have happened. And no matter what happened, bottom line: Ron&Misty are responsible.

Glad that LE has caught up on all the tips and sifted through the interviews, I'm assuming that the outside agencies were tremendous help and I think that at this point the district attorney may be working with the PCSO in making statements to the press.

[Woostock]

So maybe Ron is involved...But wasn't he at work making an honest living while back at the ranch Misty was entertaining her company.....
I go back and forth; but I have to admit I thought those responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh would be behind bars by now.

[lorettalockhorn]

So maybe Ron is involved...But wasn't he at work making an honest living while back at the ranch Misty was entertaining her company.....
I go back and forth; but I have to admit I thought those responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh would be behind bars by now.

I think that LE has verified that Ron was at work that night, but they haven't stated what time he clocked in and out; I think I read that the night shift is over at midnight. Even if he isn't directly responsible for harming Haleigh, he is responsible for leaving Misty in charge and for not providing a secure environment for her, and I still think it's very possible that Haleigh's abduction was revenge for Ron's druggie lifestyle. And with what we know, it's a foregone conclusion that Misty was negligent.

As for no one being behind bars, don't you know it just chaps Casey Anthony's arse that this case goes unsolved while LE was onto her right away? She probably regrets that she didn't drop out of school until the 11th grade.

Wonder if LE sent a 7th grader in to question Misty, if they could get some answers.

[lorettalockhorn]

Couple of Art Harris blurbs:

http://www.artharris.com/category/art-harris-reports/

Personally I like it that the THs are hammering away at Misty's own words. They should be haunting her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Missing Girl's Sitter's Story Doubted

Police: Babysitter's Version of Night Haleigh Cummings Disappeared Doesn't Add Up

(CBS) Monday marked the sixth birthday of Haleigh Cummings, the Florida girl who disappeared from her father's mobile home during the night back in February.

Now, six months since Haleigh went missing, police say they believe her father's new wife -- Misty Croslin-Cummings -- has key information about the girl's disappearance. Croslin-Cummings was babysitting Haleigh at the time she vanished.

Putnam Co., Fla. say that, although Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and father, Ronald Cummings, are no longer suspects in their daughter's disappearance, Croslin-Cummings remains a person of interest. Investigators say they also believe Haleigh was abducted by someone she knew.

Croslin-Cummings says she was sleeping beside Haleigh when she disappeared. But police say her story doesn't add up.

The 17-year-old, according to police, has failed to provide a detailed account of that night, and physical evidence contradicts what she told probers.

Still, Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, said on "The Early Show" Wednesday she doesn't think Croslin-Cummings had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

"I hope she did not," Neves said, referring to the investigation. " ... This will hopefully clear some things up and they'll know what's going on."

Neves' attorney, Mark NeJame, said on the show that Croslin-Cummings' story during a five-hour gap between 10:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. is in question.

"There are certain areas that still remain with a large question mark hovering over them. I think that's the focus of their investigation. We've been brought on to assist with that by bring renewed attention to the situation, because there are unanswered questions."

Nejame added, "The police are quite appropriate in following through and trying to piece together this puzzle. What happened during that five hours, and where is Haleigh?"

Neves said she believes Haleigh is still alive.

Neves said, "I believe God will bring her home. Without faith and hope, you don't have anything to cling to."

Investigators say the search for Haleigh is ongoing, and they are still hoping to find her alive.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/earlyshow/main5251508.shtml

[lorettalockhorn]

Fla. Girl Missing Six Months
August 19, 2009 6:17 AM

Teresa Neves, grandmother and Mark Nejame, attorney speak to Jeff Glor about the latest in the search for Haleigh Cummings, a Fla. girl missing for six months.


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5251590n&tag=morephotovideo

[Woostock]

Misty is a 7th gr. drop out so hopefully the LE finished at least 8 th grade. I am a teacher and I didn't even know that someone in 7th grade could drop out of school. here we have many who drop out in 10th and 11th altho the HS teachers try really hard to convince the kids to graduate.
I hate to admit this but I really thought that the perps would have been apprehended by now. I never thought a yr would go by without the crime solved. And I will admit, I looked at the usual suspects and thought there is no way this case won't be solved quickly. Yikes, .....

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty's attorney: 'Sketchy' answer complaint not new


Misty Croslin-Cummings' attorney says he was not shocked when Putnam County authorities strongly criticized his client's statements regarding the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

"My understanding is that it is the same sentiment they have expressed since March at least," Robert Fields said. "I feel like those are the same remarks we've heard all along."

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Croslin-Cummings may still hold important answers in the case, since her "sketchy" accounts of her last evening babysitting Haleigh does not fit with physical evidence found.

"We don't have a clear account of what she was doing that evening," Lt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Tuesday. "She's not a suspect in the case, but she definitely has information."

Annette Sykes, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, would not comment on behalf of the 17-year-old, but believes she has told authorities everything she can.

Fields said he and Croslin-Cummings would work with investigators if needed.

"I don't know where it's going to go," Fields said. "I think at this point I am going to have to be involved to some degree."

Evidence has investigators doubting that Haleigh was taken by a stranger.

"There was no forced entry," Greenwood said. "That is really one of the big things, because Misty said the door was locked."

Croslin-Cummings said she put Haleigh and her little brother to bed around 10 p.m. on Feb. 10, and awoke around 3 a.m. to discover the door propped open and Haleigh missing.

Family members said Haleigh is not one to wander off alone in the middle of the night.

Conflicting stories began when Croslin-Cummings' described the clothing Haleigh wore to bed before she disappeared. The clothing she described was later found in the residence.

Later, questions about her conflicting stories during an interview on NBC's "Today Show" resulted in a reply of silence.

On Monday, Haleigh's sixth birthday, the sheriffs office issued a strongly worded statement about Croslin-Cummings.

"She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh's disappearance," it said.

"Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty's sketchy account of her evening activities," the statement said. "Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty's activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office."

Meanwhile, EquuSearch, a horseback search group out of Texas, will resume the search for Haleigh in four to six weeks.

The sheriff's office welcomes the search team, but said the timing may have been better when she originally vanished.

"That was actually the better time of the year because that's when all the underbrush was down," Greenwood said.

Greenwood said the group has not asked for the sheriff's office's assistance, so he does not know which specific areas will be searched.

EquuSearch founder Tim Miller was unavailable for comment Tuesday.

"We really don't know what they're going to be able to do," Greenwood said.

More than 4,000 leads have been followed, with no person of interest found.

To report information on Haleigh's whereabouts, contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, or Crime Stoppers at (888) 277-8477.


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/08/19/news/news01.txt

[lorettalockhorn]

Misty is a 7th gr. drop out so hopefully the LE finished at least 8 th grade. I am a teacher and I didn't even know that someone in 7th grade could drop out of school. here we have many who drop out in 10th and 11th altho the HS teachers try really hard to convince the kids to graduate.
I hate to admit this but I really thought that the perps would have been apprehended by now. I never thought a yr would go by without the crime solved. And I will admit, I looked at the usual suspects and thought there is no way this case won't be solved quickly. Yikes, .....

You really, really have to wonder why her parents weren't prosecuted for allowing her to permanently ditch school! And I've read that she recently got a DL, but I thought we found the statute regarding school attendance and driving privileges, and she doesn't come close to qualifying. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Fields said he and Croslin-Cummings would work with investigators if needed.

HUH????????

[Woostock]

Meant to say half a yr has gone by without the case being solved!!

[deacon]

This is looking more and more like the Lunsford case. No forced entry, the whole nine yards.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is looking more and more like the Lunsford case. No forced entry, the whole nine yards.

Well, LE says this isn't a stranger abduction and I'll assume that Couey wasn't in the Lunsford circle of family, friends and acquaintances, BUT that doesn't mean that some sex offender registered or not who was close to the family didn't take Haleigh.

Again, that would leave Ron&Misty responsible for protecting her from that individual. And close to the beginning of the investigation Ron and/or Misty lied about a break-in, forensics seem to disprove that. Why the lie?

If Haleigh was dead and in that dumpster, that would sure fit the proximity to home like in Jessica's case.

[lorettalockhorn]

Justice for Haleigh blog updates:

http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

[Justice Denied?]

Here we go again, with the timeline. Misty is the key and we all have said that. I think they should haul her in and get more info including an accurate accounting of the night in question. I think this case will be solved but it may take a while. The usual suspects are intellectually limited so it should not be this difficult to get info out of them. If Misty killed Haleigh she probably had an accomplice, someone to help her with the body.

What I can't understand and haven't since the beginning is why they don't haul Misti into jail and charge her with something similar to what they charged Casey with at first. I believe it was some sort of neglect. I think they could arrest Ron on the same thing, as he left the kids with an irresponsible person. Misti might crack without her pot. She doesn't seem as hard as Casey.

[Woostock]

Loretta
thanks for the link to "Justice for Haleigh" There was quite a bit of information there. The more attention this case gets, the better. Now I am wondering about Ron being at work that night and if he can prove, without a doubt, how long he was at work and what time he left . I am beginning to think he is involved as well, just to what degree I don'tknow. But keeping the pressure on will eventually result in justice for Haleigh. I did wonder if some SW would suggest that Jr get some kind of therapy and I wondered if he was seeing someone...then I thought Ron probably would not think in terms of therapy for the remaining child after a horrible event such as this. I told a low life once that his child needed to see a SW and he told me to get out of the house. Child Services fixed that when I reported it and sure enough it was the DAD who was abusing (physically) the kids. No wonder he didn't want the child talking!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta
thanks for the link to "Justice for Haleigh" There was quite a bit of information there. The more attention this case gets, the better. Now I am wondering about Ron being at work that night and if he can prove, without a doubt, how long he was at work and what time he left . I am beginning to think he is involved as well, just to what degree I don'tknow. But keeping the pressure on will eventually result in justice for Haleigh. I did wonder if some SW would suggest that Jr get some kind of therapy and I wondered if he was seeing someone...then I thought Ron probably would not think in terms of therapy for the remaining child after a horrible event such as this. I told a low life once that his child needed to see a SW and he told me to get out of the house. Child Services fixed that when I reported it and sure enough it was the DAD who was abusing (physically) the kids. No wonder he didn't want the child talking!!

I believe Ron went to work and was probably on time, but not sure what to believe beyond that. I like that LE is sweating Misty because that's gotta make both of them sweat. Even if Ron isn't involved he has to assume some responsibility here, and it really honks me off that DCF isn't going to the judge with neglect or endangerment charges against Misty. (Not that it might do any good.)

The last page of the Cummings/Sheffield civil docket:

2009-08-10 070.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - CAROL CALDWELL FOR MOTHER

2009-08-10 071.MOTHERS EMERGENCY VERIFIED MOTION FOR COUNSELING

2009-08-10 FOR MINOR CHILD

2009-08-17 072.NOTICE OF NON REPRESENTATION - T JERRY SNIDER FOR

2009-08-17 RONALD CUMMINGS

2009-08-18 073.NOTICE OF SERVICE VIA UNITED STATES MAIL DELIVERY

2009-08-18 OF EMERGENCY MOTION TO RONALD L CUMMINGS

2009-08-18 074.NOTICE OF HEARING/AWN FOR 08/27/09 AT 03:00


Looks like maybe the counseling issue will be heard and or settled on 8/27. (Week from tomorrow!) Also looks like the court didn't have Ron's address on file in Waleka, Snider had already notified the court that he was withdrawing from the case. Hmmm

[lorettalockhorn]

What I can't understand and haven't since the beginning is why they don't haul Misti into jail and charge her with something similar to what they charged Casey with at first. I believe it was some sort of neglect. I think they could arrest Ron on the same thing, as he left the kids with an irresponsible person. Misti might crack without her pot. She doesn't seem as hard as Casey.

I don't get it either JD. I'd rather Misty have some quiet time in jail than take the heat from the Cummings Clan (if the lightbulb ever comes on) or any other Tom, Dick and Harry, and ends up being strangled in her sleep or something. We need her alive and talking.

[deacon]

Well, LE says this isn't a stranger abduction and I'll assume that Couey wasn't in the Lunsford circle of family, friends and acquaintances, BUT that doesn't mean that some sex offender registered or not who was close to the family didn't take Haleigh.

Again, that would leave Ron&Misty responsible for protecting her from that individual. And close to the beginning of the investigation Ron and/or Misty lied about a break-in, forensics seem to disprove that. Why the lie?

If Haleigh was dead and in that dumpster, that would sure fit the proximity to home like in Jessica's case.

LE didn't sound like they thought the Lundsford case was a stranger abduction either. They thought they knew where all the SO's were but were wrong about that too.

[Woostock]

I think it's been pretty well established that Ron went to work that night. How long he stayed there, when he left, etc are the unknowns. He may be able to stand up to those who doubt him but I think Misty will have a hard time with the questions and will get herself in trouble with inconsistencies.

[deacon]

What I can't understand and haven't since the beginning is why they don't haul Misti into jail and charge her with something similar to what they charged Casey with at first. I believe it was some sort of neglect. I think they could arrest Ron on the same thing, as he left the kids with an irresponsible person. Misti might crack without her pot. She doesn't seem as hard as Casey.

Well, I'll take a shot at this. misty didn't wait 31 days to report her missing. She didn't have a chance. That is what bit casey in the rear end. 31 days without a report. That got her the obstruction of justive and withholding information charge. It would really be hard to charge either one of them with neglect or endangerment. If so, you could charge almost every parent that lost a child to kidnapping with it.

[lorettalockhorn]

LE didn't sound like they thought the Lundsford case was a stranger abduction either. They thought they knew where all the SO's were but were wrong about that too.

I've forgotten more than I remember about Jessica's case, but didn't LE focus on Mark's father and even lie to him saying that they found Jessica's blood on his underclothes? Then Couey became a person of interest within a month or so of the disappearance. And sheesh they were in the house with Jessica in the closet. Still alive. Just a boondoggle all around that one.

Except for some improvement in the laws to monitor sex offenders.

Can't help but think that Haleigh's disappearance could be for revenge against Ron, and that might include sex offenders, registered or otherwise. The Croslin-Cummingses don't seem to picky about who was hanging out at the old homestead.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I'll take a shot at this. misty didn't wait 31 days to report her missing. She didn't have a chance. That is what bit casey in the rear end. 31 days without a report. That got her the obstruction of justive and withholding information charge. It would really be hard to charge either one of them with neglect or endangerment. If so, you could charge almost every parent that lost a child to kidnapping with it.

There is really no set time limit on negligence, could be 31 days or 31 minutes. But for Ron to leave Haleigh and Junior in Misty's care while she was suffering from a hangover of epic proportions is negligent, especially in light of the fact that he named Mother Teresa, GGMS, and his sister as likely caretakers for the children to the judge. Obviously Misty was negligent if she was fried/passed out/playing bouncy couch while Haleigh was being snatched out from under her nose. LE doesn't even have to press those charges through the DA, DCF could have taken them to the judge. Of course, it doesn't look like the judge has a lick of sense. He'd probably be voted out of office around here, but sumpin tells me the citizens of Putnam County luvvvvv him.

[wind149]

Now Marie says she hopes she didn't do anything to Haleigh or knows who took her? Sounds to me this grandma is having some doubts now just like I said that they would. Now I will agree, Misty is not a hard case like that POS Casey, but as I have stated before, that she has seen where Casey is and where she has been for the last year and in all probability will never get out of prison and will probably get the DP? Now I put forth a scenario that could have happened. Haleigh was acting up, she slapped her, the child fell, hit her head on the floor or say a table and died, now I would deem this not with malice, malice means she meant to drive her head into a coffee table and I just don't see that, maybe due to her mentality level and her own upbringing, that punishment means a slap or a spanking not time out in a corner and don't forget Ron was overheard telling honey pie that she could punish Haleigh???

And here is a second part. She calls Ron on the cell and tells him that Haleigh is not moving and he gets home and finds her dead so they both concoct the abduction story and he or both maybe throw her in a trash bag and bury it deep in that dumpster because human remains WERE in there as I doubt 3 well trained dogs would have a false positive on the same dumpster!!! I still think it is heating up for honey pie and she better pray that if Ron was not involved in any way and it is all her, that LE takes her into custody without him in the room because he will go off on her big time!! Now we have not heard publicly from Crystal, but based on this latest info, that she really must have hate in her heart for Misty!!!!

With that said, I got even more good news today about college!! The woman who initially did my intake did not advise the financial aid adviser that I do not have earned income as SS is not taxed, so all of a sudden my cost of living subsidy went from only $1,750 to $4,800 and I do not have to pay this back!! I will get this per semester so today after signing up for my books, I went to a Jeep dealership and looked at Jeeps because I love them and I picked one out and they are going to hold it for me till I get my money in about 4 weeks!!! YEAH A CAR!! My life does not suck!!! I don't mind taking the bus because all the drivers and dispatchers I love and they go out of their way for me sometimes, but I miss having my own ride and who knew by deciding to go back to school, one would have the cash to buy a car too??

First I get my new kitten Nyanna, who you guys, is a lovebucket and she has adapted really well, she used the box right off, she cuddles with Mama and Phaedra Leigh and is growing like a weed? She does have one thing I have been training her to not do and that is to want to get on the desk and eat Mama's food off the plate? That is a no-no and I realize she is all of about 10 weeks old now and she probably had to steal food where she could get it and that breaks my heart, so I have been putting her back down on the floor and I put the food she wants in her bowl, she is starting to kinda get that and I am sure that she will in time. Then I made the decision to go back to school to get a degree in something I always wanted to do and then get cash bennies too?? I did not expect that at all and I am pumped!!! Life is good today!!!!

Now my adviser thinks I do need a brush up in math and I don't dispute that, so I am taking a math class too and in forensics it will come in handy as I barely scraped by on the math part of the entrance exam as I made the high score due to my vast knowledge in Science and Writing and Reading and that is what I did in high school too because I felt if you can add, subtract, multiply and divide, this is all you need to get through life unless you wanted to be a math teacher or a genius!!! Boy, have books gone up! Whoever publishes them makes a killing!! I got three books today, one for my English class and one for the Forensics and for Sciences of the Mind and the cost for USED BOOKS?? $480!! OUCH!!! If one had to buy them out of pocket, they would not eat for a month!!! Classes start on 9/11 and I hope to go to NJ before that, I will now allow my brother to buy me a ticket as my family is thrilled that I am going back to college as I am the only one that ever did!!

Now my brother owns a computer company that makes hacker proof firewalls and other safety software, but he is self taught, before that he worked at a paint company!!! He is a smart man in his own right as what he does, I don't know if I am that sophisticated when it comes to the programing of computers like he is, he put software on mine too, no one can ever hack into it or use it without my password which I give to no one except my god son does know it and so does his father because he is a whiz on them too and my old one he kept going till it crashed in Dec, remember, I did not have one for a month? That sucked too because that is when we found out all our worst fears had come true, that little Caylee was indeed dead and was found only mere blocks from her home and she did not get there on her own speed! But I had to see if my credit was good with DELL and luckily it was!

The college I am attending is an excellent school, Davenport U and already, I just had to buy a sweatshirt, I will be like a kid in a candy store or should I say school store? I meet my professors on 8/26 during orientation and I am looking forward to meeting one who is a legend in forensic studies, he worked for the FBI at one time and now just teaches and he is well loved by all!!! I know I am going to dig his class!! Probably won't get that excited over my math professor though!!!

[beemer]

Wind:seeya: Hey-good for u i am so proud of you and happy for you. Life is good :rose: You deserve a break and i am sure alot of the school work wont even feel like work. Way too go and wheels to boot:beer: Glad u are going to get to see your family. Great news. You will have to keep us posted on those classes. Care to share the forensics? I wont worry bout the math part:tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, more great news! So glad that your life is on the upturn and that you have your new companion for company even if it is on the desk and in your plate. Congrats. :beer:

[deacon]

There is really no set time limit on negligence, could be 31 days or 31 minutes. But for Ron to leave Haleigh and Junior in Misty's care while she was suffering from a hangover of epic proportions is negligent, especially in light of the fact that he named Mother Teresa, GGMS, and his sister as likely caretakers for the children to the judge. Obviously Misty was negligent if she was fried/passed out/playing bouncy couch while Haleigh was being snatched out from under her nose. LE doesn't even have to press those charges through the DA, DCF could have taken them to the judge. Of course, it doesn't look like the judge has a lick of sense. He'd probably be voted out of office around here, but sumpin tells me the citizens of Putnam County luvvvvv him.

From what I read, that group doen't do a very good job when they know where the child is.

[Woostock]

hey Wind
Congratulations. Everything sounds good. The little kitten will be good company and she was lucky to get a good home! You will have a lot of knowledge to impart to the other students due to your career in LE.
I, too, am concerned about the dogs hitting on the dumpster. What an awful thing to think about-Haleigh in that dumpster. Makes me sick to even think of it....

[lorettalockhorn]

From what I read, that group doen't do a very good job when they know where the child is.

I know. Florida's system seems to be the poster child for overworked and flazy caseworkers. Why do they even want those jobs if they're not going to be dedicated to their clients? Don't see how some of those folks sleep at night. And your summation the other day about what budget cuts do to caseloads was exactly right.

[wind149]

Thanks all of you guys, I won't let you down!! WOO! Do you remember the Jeffrey Curely case in Somerville? The little boy that was lured by the promise of a bike by those two dirtbags, one white and one black? The white one's name was Scarlari or something along those lines and they took him to an apt the black creep had in Manchester, NH and they raped and choked him to death and then put his body in a picnic cooler and dumped him in Maine??? This case sickened me to no end, I cried my face off when WHDH reported that he was missing and his parents were on there just freaking out and then a neighbor of one of these maggots, saw the boy with them and told LE and then the horrible truth came about and I was bawling on the living room floor over this!!! I saw his father on TV and he was devastated to the point where they were worried he would commit suicide? And watching them at the trials of these maggots was so heartbreaking, my husband would not let me watch any Boston stations because I was coming unglued every time I watched the trials?

And they both got LWPOP and IMO they should have been strung up a tree and whipped till the blood ran right out of them and then sodomized with a tree trunk and I would have been satisfied that justice was served for Jeffrey and his family. And what really pissed me off is when the black POS was in the courtroom and a police officer was testifying about the condition of the boy's body and he started wailing that he was innocent?? Hurled himself on the floor and everything, and impressed no one!!! I don't know how the Curely family was able to sit through all the testimony and not want to leap over the podium and get at least one good shot at them before the court deputies could stop it and you could see the anger and rage and hurt seething out of them, especially the father and uncle, they sat there glaring like if looks could kill those two scumbags would explode into flames!!

Both of them went to Walpole and I hope that both of them live in terror every day but they are probably in PC because you know pukes like this, when staring at their own mortality and 30 angry inmates, they will whine and snivel about their OWN SAFETY!!! But think nothing of treating a 6 year old boy like a sex toy just for their sadistic pleasure???? This case will forever haunt me and when I went to work in LE, I vowed that scum like this would pay for what they do to women and children if I died trying and now I have a good shot at keeping that promise because if I ever get to be a ranking officer, they will not get anything but the basics out of me. They would be locked down 23/7 and if they did not want to be, then they would be on their own, I would not go out of my way to save their sorry asses if they got a beat down. And they would not be able to attend classes or work programs, they would not be able to attend that so called treatment because with scum like this, they just get off on it, they sit in group therapy and some guy is telling his story and scum like this would enjoy hearing about it too much!!! I would be like Sheriff Joe and probably worse!!!

[deacon]

I know. Florida's system seems to be the poster child for overworked and flazy caseworkers. Why do they even want those jobs if they're not going to be dedicated to their clients? Don't see how some of those folks sleep at night. And your summation the other day about what budget cuts do to caseloads was exactly right.

I think they start off trying to change the world and simply get beaten down by case loads and management that doesn't give a flying flip because they came into the system wanting to change the world a they got beaten down.

Working, and I mean really working, for the government can be a really thankless job. I know, I did it for 16.5 years as a technical instructor. It stinks working for the government. At least here and I would guess in Fl. too. The people at the top make so much that the ones who really do the work are grossly underpaid and have done so much with so little for so long that they are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Oh, and government jobs are also magnets for people who have a degree and do not want to work. Their degree gets them anything they want and they shove their work off on others which they get away with because they have the degree. Sounds stupid but that is how it works.

[Nawny]

Did Misty say she got up to go to the bathroom, but never got to the bathroom?


Stuck on stupid is she?:punch:

[wind149]

Well what does Ron White say, "You cant' fix stupid??? And it is way too obvious that this clan never wanted to make something of their lives, to drop out of school in the 7th grade simply because they wanted to and her lovely parents apparently did not give a crap and I wonder what grade Ronnie baby went up to??? Now believe it or not there are people here that are illiterate, and one guy who is my sister's neighbor has learning disabilities and kids picked on him so he quit in 6th grade and went to work on a farm, at least this man has tried all his life to make something of himself despite his disability and he is my age and there were not any special ed classes out here that he could attend, but this guy now works as a mason and he also does carpentry and makes good money doing it and he is married and has a son who also has the same affliction as Dad, but he has been getting help in special ed. Now in Tom's case, he has a reason why he quit school and I do not fault him for being illiterate. A lot of women out here are too because they got knocked up at a young age and never finished school and never tried to go back either because they were too busy calving out more. It seems out here, that to procreate is the best a woman can do, more men go to college here than women and it was the opposite in New England!

I am so pumped to be going back and so grateful to be able to and now being able to have a car again is a super plus!!! I want to learn all that I can and I want to be able to use it. A young man got on the bus last week. He graduated from an Ivy League college in Chicago, got a Master's in Civil Engineering and has not been able to find a job anywhere in this field in MI!! This poor child was going to a supermarket for orientation to be able to stock shelves at night for $8 an hour, is that sad or what? He looked depressed and me and the driver felt bad for him big time and he was taking the bus because he did not have gas money for his truck!!! He is sweating paying back his loans as his lender is getting antsy for the money and now this kid has to work from 10 pm to 6 am flipping cat food on a shelf just to be able to make ends meet!!! At least I know in my field, I should find a job when I graduate, in fact, now that I will have a car, I might go down to the correctional ctr and see if I might be able to work there part time!!! Sounds good to me!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Haleigh Cummings – BNN Radio – TJ Hart Speaks Out!

The Press Release from the PCSO on Monday was a very eye opening event. Haleigh Cummings has been missing for six months, and anyone following the search knows that Law Enforcement are not willing to share a great deal of their findings or ideas with the press or the general public.

The problem has been exacerbated by some wild news stories that have originated from the blogosphere.

I am sad that here we are six months later and Haleigh Cummings is still missing. In those six months I have learned a great deal about the press, and the Internet. The press gets beaten regularly for its coverage of stories. Some of it is richly deserved! However there are also members of the press that are not looking for the spin, they have a real interest in the story.

One such person is TJ Hart. There is an old saying ‘The law of unintended consequences’. How true it is. If it were not for Haleigh Cummings I might never have talked to TJ.

He is a regular on our Sunday talk radio show, but that venue offers little depth, we are too busy answering questions to actually talk.

I was delighted at the prospect of a one-on-one with TJ.

He was a guest on the Nancy Grace show last night, and will be on Prime News tonight.

You can hear the whole discussion here. Some of which might surprise you. Haleigh Cummings is missing, and through the work of people like TJ Hart we might find her.

Lets pool our resources, forget the idiots, they are what they are!

Simon Barrett

http://www.bloggernews.net/121950

The recording:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/19/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

This is 45 minutes, haven't listened to the entire chat, but TJH makes it clear that Misty isn't a suspect if/because she wasn't home when Haleigh disappeared. So how convenient is it that Misty would be away when Haleigh was taken?

[Amy]

So maybe Ron is involved...But wasn't he at work making an honest living while back at the ranch Misty was entertaining her company.....
I go back and forth; but I have to admit I thought those responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh would be behind bars by now.

Of course, there is that little article that says Ron's co-workers dispute the fact that he was really @ work, making an honest or any other kind of living. Makes me wonder how LE confirmed that Ron was working. By looking @ his time clock only? Or, talking to "company officials" (who only checked his time clock?) Or, did they actually talk to those workers that would have been in the same area as Ron? That would be interesting to me--to know what they did to "confirm" that Ron was earning that honest living.

I don't know--the first time I saw that first interview, before I even knew what the case was about, I tho't--man, is that fellow putting on some kind of act (and when I posted that, can't remember which board, I had my head bit off for criticizing that poor grieving fellow.) Two things in particular were weird---the honest living thing, which I think he said more than once. Most folks would just say they were @ work, for Pete's sake. The other was when he fell to the ground crying and writhing, then popped up just as quickly and in a normal tone of voice, without a trace of the tears he supposedly had been crying there on the ground, he answered the next question up from the reporter. Just too, too weird for me.

[Amy]

Misty is a 7th gr. drop out so hopefully the LE finished at least 8 th grade. I am a teacher and I didn't even know that someone in 7th grade could drop out of school. here we have many who drop out in 10th and 11th altho the HS teachers try really hard to convince the kids to graduate.
I hate to admit this but I really thought that the perps would have been apprehended by now. I never thought a yr would go by without the crime solved. And I will admit, I looked at the usual suspects and thought there is no way this case won't be solved quickly. Yikes, .....

Depends on how old one is in the 7th grade. I suppose, if you miss enough school, you might be held back. Wonder if they would do that several years in a row? Or, could be she flunked a grade or 2, but in this day and age, being "held back" as we used to say, doesn't seem to be politically correct and doesn't seem to be done much any more.

[Amy]

>>Fields said he and Croslin-Cummings would work with investigators if needed.

HUH????????

So, it is true that Misti has an attorney.

Wonder what the criteria the attorney is holding out for to determine whether or not her working w/investigators are needed? OMG, what a lame statement!! He should have written something out and practiced it for a while then read it carefully. This statement is just downright DUMB, STUPID, and did I say lame?

[Amy]

Well, LE says this isn't a stranger abduction and I'll assume that Couey wasn't in the Lunsford circle of family, friends and acquaintances, BUT that doesn't mean that some sex offender registered or not who was close to the family didn't take Haleigh.

Again, that would leave Ron&Misty responsible for protecting her from that individual. And close to the beginning of the investigation Ron and/or Misty lied about a break-in, forensics seem to disprove that. Why the lie?

If Haleigh was dead and in that dumpster, that would sure fit the proximity to home like in Jessica's case.

Couey might not have been in the circle of family, but it does seem he was in the circle of friends and acquaintances for Mr Lunsford. Drinking buddys @ some bar in town.

[lorettalockhorn]

Couey might not have been in the circle of family, but it does seem he was in the circle of friends and acquaintances for Mr Lunsford. Drinking buddys @ some bar in town.

I had to look this up because I'd never hear that any of the Lunsfords knew Couey:

...the family declined to make any immediate comment. Jessica's father, Mark Lunsford, has said the family did not know Couey...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/national/main681537.shtml

They knew him but didn't know his name? Drank with him but didn't know his name? Lied? I know there have been questions after the fact about Mark's spending of foundation moneys, Jessica's brother's fondling conviction and reports of child porn on Mark's computer, but never knew that any of them supposedly knew Couey. That didn't seem to be any part of the conviction did it?

[JLette]

I had to look this up because I'd never hear that any of the Lunsfords knew Couey:

...the family declined to make any immediate comment. Jessica's father, Mark Lunsford, has said the family did not know Couey...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/national/main681537.shtml

They knew him but didn't know his name? Drank with him but didn't know his name? Lied? I know there have been questions after the fact about Mark's spending of foundation moneys, Jessica's brother's fondling conviction and reports of child porn on Mark's computer, but never knew that any of them supposedly knew Couey. That didn't seem to be any part of the conviction did it?


there are people in my town that i know but not by name, just to say hi to. could be something like that, like he saw him at the bar once and a while and knew him enough to smile and nod at when he saw him walking down the street?:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

i don't know..i don't even have the eke one & when i go to the top smilies,they erase my entire post.

mine are all there and my punch says bop

[SaraSidle]

mine are all there and my punch says bop

I also wonder what time Ron got home from work. How long did it take?
what time did misty call ron? Did Haleigh wet one of the beds to make it unusable for the night? Did misty wash her blanket and hang it on the window cause it had not had time to dry? How many beds were in that trailer? I agree with you wind. I think Haleigh is very close to home. Did ron or misty or both lose their temper and one or both did something accidentally? Important time lines here.
my congratulations to you on the kitty,car and school. It is the best when things come together. Especially more than one. You will do fine. I have always taken classes except the last 5 years to freshen up or learn new things. :seeya: sara

IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

there are people in my town that i know but not by name, just to say hi to. could be something like that, like he saw him at the bar once and a while and knew him enough to smile and nod at when he saw him walking down the street?:shrug:

Could be, J. I've read that Mark used to take Jessica to a karaoke bar-one of her dreams was to become a singer. Maybe when he said that the family didn't know Couey he was misquoted and actually stated that they recognized him or something. :shrug:

Is that you in the avatar? Looking good!

[lorettalockhorn]

I also wonder what time Ron got home from work. How long did it take?
what time did misty call ron? Did Haleigh wet one of the beds to make it unusable for the night? Did misty wash her blanket and hang it on the window cause it had not had time to dry? How many beds were in that trailer? I agree with you wind. I think Haleigh is very close to home. Did ron or misty or both lose their temper and one or both did something accidentally? Important time lines here.
my congratulations to you on the kitty,car and school. It is the best when things come together. Especially more than one. You will do fine. I have always taken classes except the last 5 years to freshen up or learn new things. :seeya: sara

IMO

Don't think LE has made any statements about the shift hours or what time Ron arrived at and left work, but I think I found that the shift ends at midnight on the company website, I'll double check.

One of Misty's stories was that Haleigh had wet the bed (I believe the day before), so she took the blanket that was being used for a curtain and covered her with it while she washed the regular blanket. No word on whether she washed the sheets. (And you have to wonder why she was waiting until bed-time to do this. Did Haleigh sleep in a urine soaked bed after the accident the night before?) And I don't get the whole laundry thing anyway; GGMS and Mother Teresa brought laundry to them, but then Teresa said the laundry area floor was usually in a state of being littered with dirty clothes. That's where the pink shirt was found, and I think Misty claimed that the piles of laundry are what prevented the self closing door from shutting.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did y'all listen to TJ Hart? http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/19/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

There is some discussion about Haleigh being kept in a safe-house but I didn't quite catch by whom or when she will be released. There's also some discussion of Tim Miller and TES, but Simon doesn't make any additional comments, so still have no clue what he was babbling about the other day.

[Nawny]

Could be, J. I've read that Mark used to take Jessica to a karaoke bar-one of her dreams was to become a singer. Maybe when he said that the family didn't know Couey he was misquoted and actually stated that they recognized him or something. :shrug:

Is that you in the avatar? Looking good!

According to my sister who was working as a nurse at the time in the Inverness Florida jail, the nurses observed the female prisoners as they watched the news report on the case yelling like banshees when Lundsford said he didn't know Couey. They called him a liar! :shrug: According to them, they all drank together. I believe my sister but who knows what female prisoners have in the way of credibility. :shrug: In any event the whole case is beyond sad. :rose: Jessica.. RIP.

[lorettalockhorn]

According to my sister who was working as a nurse at the time in the Inverness Florida jail, the nurses observed the female prisoners as they watched the news report on the case yelling like banshees when Lundsford said he didn't know Couey. They called him a liar! :shrug: According to them, they all drank together. I believe my sister but who knows what female prisoners have in the way of credibility. :shrug: In any event the whole case is beyond sad. :rose: Jessica.. RIP.

Beyond sad pretty well sums it up all right. The investigation was shaky, the rumors rampant, that confession withheld because of dumbarse cops, and that sweet little girl still dead. RIP

Good to see you back! :seeya: Pardon my manners for not saying so earlier.

[lorettalockhorn]

Still not finding anything by LE to confirm the late shift at PDM or what time RC clocked in and out, whether or not there were surveillance cameras or if he worked directly with someone or in a line of vision his entire shift. But I did find this old article at Art Harris about Ron's alibi. At some point between the bickering and repeated (and unanswered) questions to him about work hours, a little information trickled out including from Teresa at WS (I know, I know) that 4:30pm - 3am is what she knows for a fact to be the period.

I think somewhere Marie had stated that she was told Cummings works a twelve hour shift, that would not be the case if Teresa is correct.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/

From JVM, 2/25/09

...I spent an hour and a half with him last night. He told me last night -- we were out in the middle of the cold in North Florida. Believe it or not, it does get cold in North Florida. We were out in the middle of North Florida, and he told me this. He said, "Pastor," he said, "I kissed my daughter, went to work, trying to make an honest living, trying to make an honest wage. I came home eight hours later, and she was gone."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

[lighthousedazy]

Did y'all listen to TJ Hart? http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/19/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

There is some discussion about Haleigh being kept in a safe-house but I didn't quite catch by whom or when she will be released. There's also some discussion of Tim Miller and TES, but Simon doesn't make any additional comments, so still have no clue what he was babbling about the other day.
I can't get that link to open (error message). I wonder if there is any possibility that statement could be true or just a rumor, about Haleigh being kept in a safe house. If she were though, seems that Junior would be there too. If LE thought she may be in a safehouse, I don't think they would bring TES back. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I can't get that link to open (error message). I wonder if there is any possibility that statement could be true or just a rumor, about Haleigh being kept in a safe house. If she were though, seems that Junior would be there too. If LE thought she may be in a safehouse, I don't think they would bring TES back. :shrug:

Recopied, maybe this will open?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/19/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

I just don't know what to think, TJ Hart is probably the reporter that I most respect in this whole mess, but I can't tell if he really believes that's a possibility or what. He's not the type to refer to a lot of rumors. Going to try to listen again if I storm and power issues clear up.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did Misty say she got up to go to the bathroom, but never got to the bathroom?


Stuck on stupid is she?:punch:

Yes, she did. That's when she said that the kitchen light was on and she could see the screen door propped open with the "brick".

[lorettalockhorn]

CBS show questions Haleigh's family

By Kristin Chambers
Published: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:01 AM EDT
In a Wednesday morning interview with CBS's "The Early Show," Teresa Neves, Haleigh Cummings' paternal grandmother, said she does not think 17-year-old Misty Croslin had a part in her granddaughter's disappearance.

"I hope she did not," Neves told CBS reporter Jeff Glor.

Neves was unsure if a different story remains untold by Croslin, who married Neves' son and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, a month after the child vanished.

"I don't know that there is anything I haven't heard," Neves said. "I don't know what they've heard. It's hard for me to say."

Early in the year, Croslin told the NBC's "The Today Show" Haleigh was missing when she awoke after 3 a.m.

Investigators say the 17-year-old failed to provide a detailed account of what happened between 10 p.m. - when she said she fell asleep next to Haleigh - and the time she awoke to discover the child missing. Physical evidence of the scene also contradicts what she told police, they have said.

Attorney Mark NeJame accompanied Neves during the interview, which was filmed in Putnam County.

"There are certain areas with a large question mark hovering over them," NeJame said. "I think that is the focus of the investigation. We have been brought on to assist with that by bringing renewed attention to the investigation because there are unanswered questions."

He added, "I think the police are quite appropriate in trying to piece together that puzzle. What happened in that five hours and where's Haleigh?"

Neves continues to believe Haleigh is alive.

"I do, I believe God will bring her home, and I believe without faith and hope, you don't have anything to cling to," she said.

A search for Haleigh is set to resume in four to six weeks by EquuSearch, a Texas-based search group.

Haleigh was discovered missing at 3:27 a.m. on Feb. 10, and no sign of the 6-year-old has been found.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/08/20/news/news01.txt

[lorettalockhorn]

Investigators Pull Back The Curtain on Haleigh Cummings Case
By Rich Jones, News Director @ August 18, 2009 5:42 AM Permalink | Comments (9)
The 6th birthday of a missing Putnam County girl is celebrated with new hope that she'll be found.


Her father, Ronald Cummings and other family members participated Monday in a balloon release in her honor.

Haleigh disappeared more than six months ago, and Putnam County authorities say they've followed up on more than four thousand leads to help find her.

Investigators say DNA evidence has left a small chance that a stranger took Haleigh from her Satsuma home, and they think Misty Croslin-Cummings may not be giving them the full story.

Since the disappearance, Haleigh's family has also hired an Orlando attorney to help with the case and the EquiSearch team says they plan to return to the area to conduct another scan of the area.

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/08/investigators-pull-back-the-cu.html

[Woostock]

I wonder why Haleigh would be in a safe house? If I were putting her in a safe house I would take Jr, also. Would she need to be safe and not Jr?
Who knows....
So we have his quote about being at work and hours. But I wonder if he is able to get out of work without anyone knowing and presuming he is still at work. It would be interesting if he has a time card or signs out, etc.. I just have the feeling that in some way he is involved. It can't go on like this; LE has to get what happened; Ron has enemies that's for sure; could be pay back time for something he did. He is not a rational person to say the least; quick to respond without thinking with quite a temper. Not too smart....

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder why Haleigh would be in a safe house? If I were putting her in a safe house I would take Jr, also. Would she need to be safe and not Jr?
Who knows....
So we have his quote about being at work and hours. But I wonder if he is able to get out of work without anyone knowing and presuming he is still at work. It would be interesting if he has a time card or signs out, etc.. I just have the feeling that in some way he is involved. It can't go on like this; LE has to get what happened; Ron has enemies that's for sure; could be pay back time for something he did. He is not a rational person to say the least; quick to respond without thinking with quite a temper. Not too smart....

I don't get it either. Other than age, the main difference I see between Haleigh and Junior would be her medical needs, how is she safer in a safe house than with the people and her own physician who are familiar with those needs? Someone wants her "safe" but her disappearance torments her family and friends, the public and LE? Doesn't sound very charitable to me.

So if Ron's shift is 4:30p - 3a with a thirty minute lunch break, that gives Ron time to pick Haleigh up at the us stop (IF he did) and get to work on time and get home around the time of the 911 call. But not time to go to the convenience store unless he drives like a bat out of hell.

Driving directions from 229 Comfort Road, Palatka (PDM Bridge) to Green Lane, Satsuma:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

Estimated travel time is 26 minutes (16.1 mi). If he did not leave work during his shift and is directly involved in Haleigh's disappearance, whatever happened would have had to occur before work, ut I guess GGMS is sticking to her story that she saw Haleigh around 7pm.

Don't know why I don't believe LE's statement that he's not a suspect. That's what the folks in Idaho said about Robert Manwill's mother and boyfriend the day before they were arrested for murder. :shrug:

ETA: Since that link wasn't saved, I clicked get directions and entered the addresses.

[SaraSidle]

Haleigh may be in a safe house if she is alive maybe because R&M were not as tolerant with her and could not handle her handicap. Jr not being there is very interesting Woostock.

I find it interesting Loretta that there are so many blanks about the times that night. If 911 was not called until 3:27am many things could have happened before then. I still wonder why Misty did not call 911 or Ron did not tell her to call 911 but they called together. Almost like a collaboration. And if Haleigh had wet the bed that evening that would be reason for anger and other emotions if there was one less bed in the trailer. May be there was an accident or things went to far. If she is not alive I still believe she is by the trailer. I am doubting the safe house story because we would have heard more about it and not made so many costly searches by now. IMO sara

[JLette]

I wonder why Haleigh would be in a safe house? If I were putting her in a safe house I would take Jr, also. Would she need to be safe and not Jr?
Who knows....
So we have his quote about being at work and hours. But I wonder if he is able to get out of work without anyone knowing and presuming he is still at work. It would be interesting if he has a time card or signs out, etc.. I just have the feeling that in some way he is involved. It can't go on like this; LE has to get what happened; Ron has enemies that's for sure; could be pay back time for something he did. He is not a rational person to say the least; quick to respond without thinking with quite a temper. Not too smart....

maybe whoever put her there (assuming this is true) felt that because she is a female with medical concerns and disabilities that she needed protection from her father who, not only has a bad temper, but also seems to like his women young. Jr. would not require that protection because not only is he healthy, he is a boy and Ron's JR. JMO

[Rebel]

Check into Rehab Services in your area. They will help with cost of classes and purchasing books. Glad you decided to go back, don't forget about your book. I think LE should look into Ron's last job site.

[Woostock]

Frankly, I don't think Ron is not a suspect, either.Why wouldn't he be? There are a lot of questions about what happened that night and we have many people who are not familiar with the truth. I think we will start to figure this out given time....i.e. why did Ron marry Misty? They aren't the brightest bulbs in the pack so they will get tripped up eventually..just a matter of time. Misty has already screwed up with things she said that were not true...
If this were a case of a complete stranger somehow taking the child, I'd say maybe they would get away with it. But the usual suspects are those around her i.e. Misty and company. I admit I did not thinkit would take this long to get the truth of what happened that night/early morning.....
And I am concerned about the dogs hitting the dumpster....

[lighthousedazy]

Recopied, maybe this will open?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/08/19/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

I just don't know what to think, TJ Hart is probably the reporter that I most respect in this whole mess, but I can't tell if he really believes that's a possibility or what. He's not the type to refer to a lot of rumors. Going to try to listen again if I storm and power issues clear up.
Thanks Loretta, that worked. I think TJ Harte wants to keep a glimmer of hope that maybe Haleigh is still alive but I believe he thinks this is just a rumor. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta, that worked. I think TJ Harte wants to keep a glimmer of hope that maybe Haleigh is still alive but I believe he thinks this is just a rumor. jmo

Yeah, I was a little surprised that he gave it more than a passing mention. I do wonder what the folks who believe in the Safehouse Theory think about the dogs alerting on that dumpster. Wish we knew if they were certified cadaver dogs; if they weren't I can understand a false hit, if they were, then there was a body or decomp in that dumpster at some time.

[wind149]

Loretta, those dogs are indeed certified cadaver dogs, only trained to sniff out human remains, I checked into this via a site from WJXT several months ago and dammed if I can't find the site again. It was a link that was on their web site and I want to say I saw this in March or April and the dogs are trained specifically by experienced handlers and some of them had also gone to Ground Zero for months on end till most of the remains that they could find were recovered, so I am positive that there were no false positives, they hit on a human remain scent and we all know that the trash haulers do not wash out dumpsters unless a customer complains that it is really dirty, then they will remove it and put out another one. When I lived in the trailer park, they would get nasty because some people did not know that trash bags are manufactured now and they would just dump loose trash like diapers and stink??? OMG!!! I told the park manager that they should send a memo to the ignorant ones and tell them to use bags at all times and they did, but you know slobs, they can't read either. Now remember, in the first hours that Haleigh was missing, LE was thinking that she was alive and maybe had wandered into the woods and got lost, no one thought at that time to search the dumpsters and this is the time frame I am thinking that the dumpster was emptied and as gross as this sounds and I apologize for this visual, had Haleigh lain in there in a metal box in the FL sun, that she would be decomposing very rapidly and I am thinking that possibly body fluids might have seeped out of a bag and left the tell a tale scent for the dogs to hit on? And the fluids would dry out, but the scent would remain for days especially for a dog well trained to find. Now this is just me arm chairing, but it is plausible?

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, those dogs are indeed certified cadaver dogs, only trained to sniff out human remains, I checked into this via a site from WJXT several months ago and dammed if I can't find the site again. It was a link that was on their web site and I want to say I saw this in March or April and the dogs are trained specifically by experienced handlers and some of them had also gone to Ground Zero for months on end till most of the remains that they could find were recovered, so I am positive that there were no false positives, they hit on a human remain scent and we all know that the trash haulers do not wash out dumpsters unless a customer complains that it is really dirty, then they will remove it and put out another one. When I lived in the trailer park, they would get nasty because some people did not know that trash bags are manufactured now and they would just dump loose trash like diapers and stink??? OMG!!! I told the park manager that they should send a memo to the ignorant ones and tell them to use bags at all times and they did, but you know slobs, they can't read either. Now remember, in the first hours that Haleigh was missing, LE was thinking that she was alive and maybe had wandered into the woods and got lost, no one thought at that time to search the dumpsters and this is the time frame I am thinking that the dumpster was emptied and as gross as this sounds and I apologize for this visual, had Haleigh lain in there in a metal box in the FL sun, that she would be decomposing very rapidly and I am thinking that possibly body fluids might have seeped out of a bag and left the tell a tale scent for the dogs to hit on? And the fluids would dry out, but the scent would remain for days especially for a dog well trained to find. Now this is just me arm chairing, but it is plausible?

Thanks for the info on the certification. It seems to me that immediately after Haleigh was reported missing LE used scent hounds to track Haleigh and in the report they detailed the route that was taken with one area redacted. I honestly don't remember anything about cadaver dogs being used until later on when they televised LE taking items out of that dumpster. Had dogs hit on it earlier too? It was still relatively cool in Feb right? But the insect activity surely would have speeded up the decay process. I wonder if all the blankets in Misty's tales are accounted for, maybe Haleigh was rolled up in one.

As for trash bags, it's amazing who doesn't use them. Our neighbors are PhDs, MDs, surgeons, CPAs, engineers, etc and you'd be surprised how many don't use them, but since we're outside the city limits there is no leash law, so you can well imagine the mess on garbage days. I was going to buy big ol boxes of bags at Sam's Club and wrap them up all pretty and give them to the neighbors for Christmas one year, but for some strange reason Leroy wouldn't let me. LMAO

[wind149]

HA HA!! So it is just not the trailer trash that don't have common sense to use bags!! And this reminded me of what my father did when we lived in NJ. One of our neighbors had three dogs that used to run rampant through the hood and yeah, our neighbors were upscale as well and the dogs would poop in our yard and Dad would get all fired up and then one day he completely alienated himself from about all our neighbors by scooping the poop, putting it in a bag, and then he walked over to this guy's house and rang the doorbell and when this cretin came to the door, Dad says and I quote, "Good evening sir, I believe this belongs to you" And all us kids heard was this guy yelling and calling Dad a jerk!!!! My mom and I were horrified but this is how Dad was and more than once he pissed people off because he thought he was in the right, and the poop , that was warranted, but he pulled some other stuff I did not agree with and it always seemed it would be a neighbor and he did not get along with many of the ones we had in VT either!!!

SO is everyone fired up tonight? Time for WIND'S B*TCH OF THE WEEK!!!

I read a NH paper daily and today, there is an article in there about this loser woman who is in jail for drug possession and intent to sell and this is not her first offense and was already on probation and she makes me puke!! Her 21 year old son was killed in Iraq and that is very sad, and of course she is devastated, but it is the next part that gets everyone's undies in a wad!! She received a $100,000 death benefit for her son from the government and then $300,000 in a life insurance policy that he took out so if he were to die over there, that his younger siblings could maybe go to college and to help mama continue to care for them and here is the puke part!!

She blew the entire amount on DRUGS!!! She partied her ass off, sucking a crack pipe and she bought all kinds of stuff for her friends that also are addicts and a sports car that she cracks up while being wasted on booze and crack!!!! She blames her drug use on the pain of losing her son, but then fesses up that she had addiction issues most of her life! Her other 3 kids are in foster care, she is looking at some serious time because of the NEW DRUG CHARGES and was already on P&P and was on that for selling drugs! Not only did she piss away all that money, she lost custody of the siblings that were supposed to get that money as it was intended to be a legacy from their hero brother.

According to her OWN SISTER she just used him as a ways and means to not only get that money, she also got hooked up by agencies that help families after losing a loved one in the military, they paid all her bills, filled the fridge, got whatever else her greedy paws were able to grasp! She also got money from NH, a fund for military families and she collected close to $25,000 and just drowned her sorrows in a crack pipe and the bottle!!! And has the gall now to say she KNEW she was doing wrong, but she just was so broken up over his death she could not cope and crack took the pain away? The sister who despises her, is seeking custody of the kids and she says that her sister did nothing with her life, but have 4 kids by 4 different daddies who never stuck around long enough to support them, so she lived on the WELFARE, the kids were never well taken care of, sometimes they had to go hungry because she blew the check on drugs, they were left alone while she went out partying and then first went to jail when the oldest, the one who died was 10 and the state did step in and take him and another child, but she played let's fool the jailhouse counselor and con them into convincing DCYF into giving the kids back to her, and then proceeded to have two more!!!!

She is a big POS in my eyes and I wrote the DA telling him my feelings about her, how disgusted readers of the UL were to read that this scuzz was trying for the sympathy angle and trying to con everyone that she was broken up because her child died and I don't think she cared about these poor kids at all, they were a means to get her hands on drugs and I loathe her! As for sympathy? People hate this skank! Can you imagine $400,000 and at least another $25,000 pissed away on drugs and friends? She bought one of those new Dodge Avengers and wrapped it around a pole, that it is how she got busted this time, she was tweaking and the law found crack and Oxy's in the car and a CI told LE that she had sold him Oxy and crack and they found more at her house, enough to charge her with intent to sell and they can put this loser away for 20 years IMO and still it would not make up for what she has done to her children.

While war took the one, she took away their hero brother's only gift he had to give them, a nest egg, and a future they could have had in his memory. Now the kids range in age from 9-17 and one is close to college age and this child wanted to go to college and is very hurt that mama pissed her future away and she could care less about her now. Now this loser is blaming everyone but herself even though she claims to feel very remorseful, but none of us are buying it. She blames an old flame for getting her hooked on crack, she blames her father for molesting her and her sister claims that is just another one of her "con jobs" the man never touched her, she blames the sperm donors for using and abusing her and I guess that part is true, but scum like this always go for the abusing kind anyway and now is blaming the system for being in jail!!! Does this not frost you that she would call this paper and whine her way onto the front page?

Now this paper does have a reputation for being one of those bleeding heart kinda of publication. It seems at least once a week we gotta read about some loser like her, a POS SO who can't find a job and housing and is whining because he has to register on the sex offenders registry and WMUR has it on their site and people recognized him and he was beaten up two days after he hit the streets! And then this one POS, Richard Guay who spent 35 years in prison for shooting a 12 year old boy to death after tying him to a tree and raped him. He made parole and came to Manchester and even the mayor was upset, and he told P&P to get him out and he did leave NH for about 6 weeks, he went to CT till a hood there heard about him living amongst them and screamed bloody murder and he was returned to NH and get this, some bleeder took him in because he felt sorry for him and the town freaked and they want him gone too and we have not heard an update yet this week, but we will.

Another POS boo hooed that he was forced into homelessness and was crashing in a parking garage at night, tells the reporter that he's depressed, afraid he will re-offend and he also sodomized a child and had 2 prior convictions and was whining that no one would give him a job or housing and IMO he should have never been let out to begin with and he maxed out so he's not under supervision, therefore, no one would have to worry that this scum would grab another kid!!! SO for them to write the article about this loser, not a new thing. And IMO, they as a paper, I think they feel sorry for these mutts and hope at least one bleeder will come forward and help them or feel sorry for them and I don't know why they do this because NH people are not a forgiving lot as a whole and all these articles do is piss everyone off and not an ounce of sympathy is going their way!!! Does anyone else's local papers do this too?

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, dying laughing here! Just got to your announcement about b!tch of the week and cracked up!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I'll read it now.

PS I put bacon grease on the dog poop in my beds and berms and when poochie runs and licks master's face after eating his own and everyone else's I just laugh. :hat:

[SaraSidle]

HA HA!! So it is just not the trailer trash that don't have common sense to use bags!! And this reminded me of what my father did when we lived in NJ. One of our neighbors had three dogs that used to run rampant through the hood and yeah, our neighbors were upscale as well and the dogs would poop in our yard and Dad would get all fired up and then one day he completely alienated himself from about all our neighbors by scooping the poop, putting it in a bag, and then he walked over to this guy's house and rang the doorbell and when this cretin came to the door, Dad says and I quote, "Good evening sir, I believe this belongs to you" And all us kids heard was this guy yelling and calling Dad a jerk!!!! My mom and I were horrified but this is how Dad was and more than once he pissed people off because he thought he was in the right, and the poop , that was warranted, but he pulled some other stuff I did not agree with and it always seemed it would be a neighbor and he did not get along with many of the ones we had in VT either!!!

SO is everyone fired up tonight? Time for WIND'S B*TCH OF THE WEEK!!!

I read a NH paper daily and today, there is an article in there about this loser woman who is in jail for drug possession and intent to sell and this is not her first offense and was already on probation and she makes me puke!! Her 21 year old son was killed in Iraq and that is very sad, and of course she is devastated, but it is the next part that gets everyone's undies in a wad!! She received a $100,000 death benefit for her son from the government and then $300,000 in a life insurance policy that he took out so if he were to die over there, that his younger siblings could maybe go to college and to help mama continue to care for them and here is the puke part!!

She blew the entire amount on DRUGS!!! She partied her ass off, sucking a crack pipe and she bought all kinds of stuff for her friends that also are addicts and a sports car that she cracks up while being wasted on booze and crack!!!! She blames her drug use on the pain of losing her son, but then fesses up that she had addiction issues most of her life! Her other 3 kids are in foster care, she is looking at some serious time because of the NEW DRUG CHARGES and was already on P&P and was on that for selling drugs! Not only did she piss away all that money, she lost custody of the siblings that were supposed to get that money as it was intended to be a legacy from their hero brother.

According to her OWN SISTER she just used him as a ways and means to not only get that money, she also got hooked up by agencies that help families after losing a loved one in the military, they paid all her bills, filled the fridge, got whatever else her greedy paws were able to grasp! She also got money from NH, a fund for military families and she collected close to $25,000 and just drowned her sorrows in a crack pipe and the bottle!!! And has the gall now to say she KNEW she was doing wrong, but she just was so broken up over his death she could not cope and crack took the pain away? The sister who despises her, is seeking custody of the kids and she says that her sister did nothing with her life, but have 4 kids by 4 different daddies who never stuck around long enough to support them, so she lived on the WELFARE, the kids were never well taken care of, sometimes they had to go hungry because she blew the check on drugs, they were left alone while she went out partying and then first went to jail when the oldest, the one who died was 10 and the state did step in and take him and another child, but she played let's fool the jailhouse counselor and con them into convincing DCYF into giving the kids back to her, and then proceeded to have two more!!!!

She is a big POS in my eyes and I wrote the DA telling him my feelings about her, how disgusted readers of the UL were to read that this scuzz was trying for the sympathy angle and trying to con everyone that she was broken up because her child died and I don't think she cared about these poor kids at all, they were a means to get her hands on drugs and I loathe her! As for sympathy? People hate this skank! Can you imagine $400,000 and at least another $25,000 pissed away on drugs and friends? She bought one of those new Dodge Avengers and wrapped it around a pole, that it is how she got busted this time, she was tweaking and the law found crack and Oxy's in the car and a CI told LE that she had sold him Oxy and crack and they found more at her house, enough to charge her with intent to sell and they can put this loser away for 20 years IMO and still it would not make up for what she has done to her children.

While war took the one, she took away their hero brother's only gift he had to give them, a nest egg, and a future they could have had in his memory. Now the kids range in age from 9-17 and one is close to college age and this child wanted to go to college and is very hurt that mama pissed her future away and she could care less about her now. Now this loser is blaming everyone but herself even though she claims to feel very remorseful, but none of us are buying it. She blames an old flame for getting her hooked on crack, she blames her father for molesting her and her sister claims that is just another one of her "con jobs" the man never touched her, she blames the sperm donors for using and abusing her and I guess that part is true, but scum like this always go for the abusing kind anyway and now is blaming the system for being in jail!!! Does this not frost you that she would call this paper and whine her way onto the front page?

Now this paper does have a reputation for being one of those bleeding heart kinda of publication. It seems at least once a week we gotta read about some loser like her, a POS SO who can't find a job and housing and is whining because he has to register on the sex offenders registry and WMUR has it on their site and people recognized him and he was beaten up two days after he hit the streets! And then this one POS, Richard Guay who spent 35 years in prison for shooting a 12 year old boy to death after tying him to a tree and raped him. He made parole and came to Manchester and even the mayor was upset, and he told P&P to get him out and he did leave NH for about 6 weeks, he went to CT till a hood there heard about him living amongst them and screamed bloody murder and he was returned to NH and get this, some bleeder took him in because he felt sorry for him and the town freaked and they want him gone too and we have not heard an update yet this week, but we will.

Another POS boo hooed that he was forced into homelessness and was crashing in a parking garage at night, tells the reporter that he's depressed, afraid he will re-offend and he also sodomized a child and had 2 prior convictions and was whining that no one would give him a job or housing and IMO he should have never been let out to begin with and he maxed out so he's not under supervision, therefore, no one would have to worry that this scum would grab another kid!!! SO for them to write the article about this loser, not a new thing. And IMO, they as a paper, I think they feel sorry for these mutts and hope at least one bleeder will come forward and help them or feel sorry for them and I don't know why they do this because NH people are not a forgiving lot as a whole and all these articles do is piss everyone off and not an ounce of sympathy is going their way!!! Does anyone else's local papers do this too?

I just love avengers. I rented one for a year and bought a used one which I still have and it is 10 yrs old. not very expensive but looks great. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Gosh, I wish the military would counsel these soldiers about their benefits, that if they want to leave them to minor children they need to be in a trust with a neutral trustee, not in a check made out to crack mom. :(

Everyone has a story and that includes druggies and pimps and pros, but the newspaper isn't the place for those stories to be told unless it's in some sort of feature or special section. It's just not news and in a small town does harm to the children that are outed due to coverage.

But that's just my opinion. Our (award winning, believe it or not) newspaper sucks enough without this sort of tripe.

[beemer]

Wind, dying laughing here! Just got to your announcement about b!tch of the week and cracked up!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I'll read it now.

PS I put bacon grease on the dog poop in my beds and berms and when poochie runs and licks master's face after eating his own and everyone else's I just laugh. :hat:

Haaaa which is exactly why i never let any animal lick me Ewwww. Too funny.

[SaraSidle]

Haaaa which is exactly why i never let any animal lick me Ewwww. Too funny.

LOL Beem me too. lost my appetite for dinner.

I agree Loretta. It is the children that get hurt in the long run. Everyone knows their business. might be why so many people leave where they grew up when they turn 18. sure wish we had a doc dump on this for cell phones, home phones,IM's and where Ron was after 12. Or hey if Misty would just tell the truth...............sara IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Ron's new attorney according to word on the tweet:

http://www.ancientcitylaw.com/Bio/BrandonBeardsely.asp

[lorettalockhorn]

Eyes for Lies parses LE statement:

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/08/police-haleigh-likely-not-abducted-by.html

[Amy]

I had to look this up because I'd never hear that any of the Lunsfords knew Couey:

...the family declined to make any immediate comment. Jessica's father, Mark Lunsford, has said the family did not know Couey...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/national/main681537.shtml

They knew him but didn't know his name? Drank with him but didn't know his name? Lied? I know there have been questions after the fact about Mark's spending of foundation moneys, Jessica's brother's fondling conviction and reports of child porn on Mark's computer, but never knew that any of them supposedly knew Couey. That didn't seem to be any part of the conviction did it?

I wish my memory was good enough to remember WHERE I read this info. Someone (on what board? Geesh, to know THAT would be helpful) had a sister or someone who lived in the area, and that person said the locals were disgusted w/Lunsford because he said he didn't know Couey, yet they frequented the same bar @ the same time, sometimes sharing the same table. Now, I know "someone who knows someone" isn't considered credible, but there was an accompanying newspaper article that pretty much said the same thing. And, not something from the Globe or Enquirer, but from a regular newspaper.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wish my memory was good enough to remember WHERE I read this info. Someone (on what board? Geesh, to know THAT would be helpful) had a sister or someone who lived in the area, and that person said the locals were disgusted w/Lunsford because he said he didn't know Couey, yet they frequented the same bar @ the same time, sometimes sharing the same table. Now, I know "someone who knows someone" isn't considered credible, but there was an accompanying newspaper article that pretty much said the same thing. And, not something from the Globe or Enquirer, but from a regular newspaper.

I'm in awe of your memory! Do you think M Lunsford was just stonewalling for some reason or was there some reason to think there was some sort of collusion or conspiracy? Between what you and Nawny report, it sure sounds like there was some sort of relationship even if it was just hoisting a few together.

[SaraSidle]

Eyes for Lies parses LE statement:

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/08/police-haleigh-likely-not-abducted-by.html

in eyes for lies he brings up that Ron said in an interview out of nowhere he had taken out the garbage????? Haleighs smell in the dumpster??? sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Justice for Haleigh blog update with LLPapa's well thought out (IMO) questions:

http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

[Woostock]

Thanks Loretta for posting the site. As we know; no rational person is believing Misty as to the events that night. And now Ron looks like the complete jerk he is if he does not want Jr to get therapy/ or evenjust to talk to someone. Imagine, his sister is gone and he may have knowledge of what happened that night and Dad opposes counseling. He really is a low of the low life. Loretta, I can't even imagine a child going missing but if it happened to my child even if it took me the rest of my life, I would get the answers. Nobody would be immune. Now it seems even the GM and GGM are closing ranks. I really just don't get it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta for posting the site. As we know; no rational person is believing Misty as to the events that night. And now Ron looks like the complete jerk he is if he does not want Jr to get therapy/ or evenjust to talk to someone. Imagine, his sister is gone and he may have knowledge of what happened that night and Dad opposes counseling. He really is a low of the low life. Loretta, I can't even imagine a child going missing but if it happened to my child even if it took me the rest of my life, I would get the answers. Nobody would be immune. Now it seems even the GM and GGM are closing ranks. I really just don't get it.

It's just insane! And here we have all these old clips of Ron&Misty swearing that they'll do anything to get that little girl back and that they want to be cooperative. Guess that doesn't go for Junior's health and well-being.

[lorettalockhorn]

Missing you Errin!

http://i19.tinypic.com/4pv0v3d.jpg

[Amy]

Justice for Haleigh blog update with LLPapa's well thought out (IMO) questions:

http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

I had read that somewhere, which is why I was hoping that TES is going to include this in their search. I guess they would have to have the consent of the property owner (PDM) in order to do so. All LE would need is as search warrant. Hope that, if this is an area of interest to Tim Miller, that PDM will allow their search.

LE was quick to confirm that Ron was @ work as he said. But, wonder if they just checked time cards, or if they talked to other employees working that night? If they did talk to others, wonder if they missed the ones reporting he was not there the whole time, or if some did not come forth @ the time?

[Amy]

I'm in awe of your memory! Do you think M Lunsford was just stonewalling for some reason or was there some reason to think there was some sort of collusion or conspiracy? Between what you and Nawny report, it sure sounds like there was some sort of relationship even if it was just hoisting a few together.

I didn't follow that case. I suppose it could be as someone else had posted, they drank @ the same table, but possibly didn't "know" each other. Perhaps Couey just gathered information for later use during those times. Such as, I suppose as the night(s) grew later, and with more and more drinks being downed, Lunsford might have talked about his habit of spending the night w/the girlfriend. Might even had divulged information about his parents--were they hard of hearing? Which would give one reason to think they might not hear an entry being made. Did he reveal where his parents slept in relation to where Jessica did? A few nights of loose lips might give someone who is just kind of sitting there, taking it all in, a few ideas.

[lorettalockhorn]

I had read that somewhere, which is why I was hoping that TES is going to include this in their search. I guess they would have to have the consent of the property owner (PDM) in order to do so. All LE would need is as search warrant. Hope that, if this is an area of interest to Tim Miller, that PDM will allow their search.

LE was quick to confirm that Ron was @ work as he said. But, wonder if they just checked time cards, or if they talked to other employees working that night? If they did talk to others, wonder if they missed the ones reporting he was not there the whole time, or if some did not come forth @ the time?

Follow up to this morning’s article August 21, 2009
Filed under: Uncategorized — justiceforhaleigh @ 3:25 pm

Since we know Tim Miller is bringing his group back to Putnam County in 6-8 weeks to search for Haleigh, I believe it is imperative that we strongly encourage TES to search the area around PDM Bridge...


http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

[lorettalockhorn]

I didn't follow that case. I suppose it could be as someone else had posted, they drank @ the same table, but possibly didn't "know" each other. Perhaps Couey just gathered information for later use during those times. Such as, I suppose as the night(s) grew later, and with more and more drinks being downed, Lunsford might have talked about his habit of spending the night w/the girlfriend. Might even had divulged information about his parents--were they hard of hearing? Which would give one reason to think they might not hear an entry being made. Did he reveal where his parents slept in relation to where Jessica did? A few nights of loose lips might give someone who is just kind of sitting there, taking it all in, a few ideas.

I can completely imagine a cretin like Couey using the social setting of the bar to get information about the setup of the Lunsford household. Even buying a round or two to keep the information flowing.

[SaraSidle]

Follow up to this morning’s article August 21, 2009
Filed under: Uncategorized — justiceforhaleigh @ 3:25 pm

Since we know Tim Miller is bringing his group back to Putnam County in 6-8 weeks to search for Haleigh, I believe it is imperative that we strongly encourage TES to search the area around PDM Bridge...


http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

Why do you think this new area should be searched? Other than Ron works there. do you girls know something more?

[lorettalockhorn]

Why do you think this new area should be searched? Other than Ron works there. do you girls know something more?

Not sure what LLPapa's angle is, but because there is access to the river/waterway there and also the railroad tracks or spur nearby, Haleigh could have been moved to PDM and then disposed of. Or I guess sent to the safehouse.

[SaraSidle]

Not sure what LLPapa's angle is, but because there is access to the river/waterway there and also the railroad tracks or spur nearby, Haleigh could have been moved to PDM and then disposed of. Or I guess sent to the safehouse.

hhhmmmm it is so hard to figure out what these monsters are thinking?
but the clarity to hide someone is sure there when they want it to be.
I just think after 6 months we would somehow know about safehouse. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

hhhmmmm it is so hard to figure out what these monsters are thinking?
but the clarity to hide someone is sure there when they want it to be.
I just think after 6 months we would somehow know about safehouse. sara

Don't believe the safehouse theory A tall! But I'd love to be wrong.

[SaraSidle]

Don't believe the safehouse theory A tall! But I'd love to be wrong.
Likewise. tried to think it for a while too. :cuss:

[billy]

Follow up to this morning’s article August 21, 2009
Filed under: Uncategorized — justiceforhaleigh @ 3:25 pm

Since we know Tim Miller is bringing his group back to Putnam County in 6-8 weeks to search for Haleigh, I believe it is imperative that we strongly encourage TES to search the area around PDM Bridge...


http://justiceforhaleigh.wordpress.com/

It can't hurt to search that area but it would be surprising if she were found there imo. I don't see Ron taking Haleigh's body to work with him. PDM keep their employees busy. Their work is is planned out before they arrive for their shift. He had to see his supervisor to find out his work assignment as his shift began. The problem would be getting haleigh from his truck and carrying her around until he found a place to put her. Doing that without being seen while also doing his work assignment. Why not dispose of her before he gets to work or on the way home from work?

[SaraSidle]

It can't hurt to search that area but it would be surprising if she was found there imo. I don't see Ron taking Haleigh's body to work with him. PDM keep their employees busy. Their work is is planned out before they arrive for their shift. He had to see his supervisor to find out his work assignment as his shift began. The problem would be getting haleigh from his truck and carrying her around until he found a place to put her. Doing that without being seen while also doing his work assignment. Why not dispose of her before he gets to work or on the way home from work?

I was leaning that way also billy. Welcome to the board!!!!!!!! sara

[billy]

I was leaning that way also billy. Welcome to the board!!!!!!!! sara

Thanks for the welcome Sara. :)

[SaraSidle]

Thanks for the welcome Sara. :)

Do you have any other theories??? about the case??? sara

[Marian Paroo]

Who cared enough about Haleigh to set her up in a safe house? :(

[lorettalockhorn]

It can't hurt to search that area but it would be surprising if she were found there imo. I don't see Ron taking Haleigh's body to work with him. PDM keep their employees busy. Their work is is planned out before they arrive for their shift. He had to see his supervisor to find out his work assignment as his shift began. The problem would be getting haleigh from his truck and carrying her around until he found a place to put her. Doing that without being seen while also doing his work assignment. Why not dispose of her before he gets to work or on the way home from work?

Exactly. A huge part of what has people up in arms over this case is that Haleigh (and physical clues as to what happened to her) is not being searched for. You and I wouldn't take an injured or dead child to work, but with a loose cannon like Ron, I think anything is possible. The guy just ain't right in the head in my opinion.

[Woostock]

it does make sense to at least investigate the area. I had not thought of that scenario but I would not be surprised if, indeed, be brought her with him and if so it does explain his marriage to Misty. They both would know the whole sequence of events and band together to keep shut since the two of them are in it together. I do not believe the safe house theory.

[billy]

Do you have any other theories??? about the case??? sara

I wish I had a theory that made sense but I don't. At first I suspected Ron because he appeared to be over acting during the 911 call. But I listened to the call a few times and I could understand his frustration with the dispatcher asking so many questions rather than just saying officers were on the way. The call didn't seem rehearsed at all since Misty didn't have any details such as Haleigh's weight/heighth and made a mistake as to what she was wearing when she went to bed.

If Misty left the trailer that night, I believe Haleigh was with her and didn't return. This would be a fact that Misty would never want to admit to. On the other hand, LE would point out that if she left the kids in the trailer while she went out for awhile was not a crime and she should admit it. I also don't see a reason the screen door would be propped open if she took Haleigh. They would have simply walked out the door normally. The propped door looks like someone from outside came in and took Haleigh.

If Ron set this up as an outside job, I wonder why he didn't pry the wooden door open in addition to propping the screen door? That would have shortened the list of unanswered questions.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wish I had a theory that made sense but I don't. At first I suspected Ron because he appeared to be over acting during the 911 call. But I listened to the call a few times and I could understand his frustration with the dispatcher asking so many questions rather than just saying officers were on the way. The call didn't seem rehearsed at all since Misty didn't have any details such as Haleigh's weight/heighth and made a mistake as to what she was wearing when she went to bed.

If Misty left the trailer that night, I believe Haleigh was with her and didn't return. This would be a fact that Misty would never want to admit to. On the other hand, LE would point out that if she left the kids in the trailer while she went out for awhile was not a crime and she should admit it. I also don't see a reason the screen door would be propped open if she took Haleigh. They would have simply walked out the door normally. The propped door looks like someone from outside came in and took Haleigh.

If Ron set this up as an outside job, I wonder why he didn't pry the wooden door open in addition to propping the screen door? That would have shortened the list of unanswered questions.

Leaving the children unsupervised in the trailer is minimally negligence. But I don't have a problem with LE lying to Misty.

Maybe the plan was for the door to be pried open, Ron insisted that it had been. Maybe he was hoping that close scrutiny by LE would show a break-in and jumped the gun by saying the door had been forced open.

[SaraSidle]

I wish I had a theory that made sense but I don't. At first I suspected Ron because he appeared to be over acting during the 911 call. But I listened to the call a few times and I could understand his frustration with the dispatcher asking so many questions rather than just saying officers were on the way. The call didn't seem rehearsed at all since Misty didn't have any details such as Haleigh's weight/heighth and made a mistake as to what she was wearing when she went to bed.

If Misty left the trailer that night, I believe Haleigh was with her and didn't return. This would be a fact that Misty would never want to admit to. On the other hand, LE would point out that if she left the kids in the trailer while she went out for awhile was not a crime and she should admit it. I also don't see a reason the screen door would be propped open if she took Haleigh. They would have simply walked out the door normally. The propped door looks like someone from outside came in and took Haleigh.

If Ron set this up as an outside job, I wonder why he didn't pry the wooden door open in addition to propping the screen door? That would have shortened the list of unanswered questions.


Now see the more I think about the 911 the more I get suspicious it is an act. same with the door Loretta. And I think that is exactly why they got married. So they could never testify against one another. They have that thread over their heads connecting them. Lots of domestic disputes coming up...............IMO sara

[Marian Paroo]

Despite that I have myself suggested that Ron and Misty may have been in on Haleigh's dissapearance and probable death, they wanted to get married, didn't want the burden of a child that required extra care, esp. a female child at at that, one who couldn't breed (might have been a real disgrace among those rabbits given ggm and gm's ages), I think that Ron's speach on the 911 call, was just typical of him and his ilk.

[SaraSidle]

Despite that I have myself suggested that Ron and Misty may have been in on Haleigh's dissapearance and probable death, they wanted to get married, didn't want the burden of a child that required extra care, esp. a female child at at that, one who couldn't breed (might have been a real disgrace among those rabbits given ggm and gm's ages), I think that Ron's speach on the 911 call, was just typical of him and his ilk.

I think he is a very dramatic and emotional man.............IMO sara

[billy]

Despite that I have myself suggested that Ron and Misty may have been in on Haleigh's dissapearance and probable death, they wanted to get married, didn't want the burden of a child that required extra care, esp. a female child at at that, one who couldn't breed (might have been a real disgrace among those rabbits given ggm and gm's ages), I think that Ron's speach on the 911 call, was just typical of him and his ilk.

I would think that if Haleigh was a burden and disgrace to Ron and Misty, they would have turned her over to Crystal or grandma Neves. This would be a better choice than a possible life in prison. Going by all the photographs, it appears that Ron loved Haleigh very much.

LE seems to think Misty left the house that night but she won't admit to it.
What if they are wrong? If they were able to coerce her into saying she did leave, it wouldn't help their case. They would then require her to prove it. She wouldn't be able to prove it and no one else could either.

Is there proof that Ron's work was overseen and he had no chance to dispose of Haleigh. If there is, he is in the clear.

[SaraSidle]

I would think that if Haleigh was a burden and disgrace to Ron and Misty, they would have turned her over to Crystal or grandma Neves. This would be a better choice than a possible life in prison. Going by all the photographs, it appears that Ron loved Haleigh very much.

LE seems to think Misty left the house that night but she won't admit to it.
What if they are wrong? If they were able to coerce her into saying she did leave, it wouldn't help their case. They would then require her to prove it. She wouldn't be able to prove it and no one else could either.

Is there proof that Ron's work was overseen and he had no chance to dispose of Haleigh. If there is, he is in the clear.

billy there have been numerous times given for the shift Ron worked. does not seem to be confirmed at all. I agree about turning Haleigh over to
Crystal. I am still thinking maybe there was an accident of some kind. IMO
sara

[Amy]

I wish I had a theory that made sense but I don't. At first I suspected Ron because he appeared to be over acting during the 911 call. But I listened to the call a few times and I could understand his frustration with the dispatcher asking so many questions rather than just saying officers were on the way. The call didn't seem rehearsed at all since Misty didn't have any details such as Haleigh's weight/heighth and made a mistake as to what she was wearing when she went to bed.

If Misty left the trailer that night, I believe Haleigh was with her and didn't return. This would be a fact that Misty would never want to admit to. On the other hand, LE would point out that if she left the kids in the trailer while she went out for awhile was not a crime and she should admit it. I also don't see a reason the screen door would be propped open if she took Haleigh. They would have simply walked out the door normally. The propped door looks like someone from outside came in and took Haleigh.

If Ron set this up as an outside job, I wonder why he didn't pry the wooden door open in addition to propping the screen door? That would have shortened the list of unanswered questions.

I think in some states, or counties @ least, while it might not be a crime to leave the children alone, CPS can certainly remove them from the home. And, I have seen a couple of cases where the mom did land in jail, when it was shown the child(ren) was in harms way. One being a little boy found on a heavy-traffic road, and the "mom" asleep in the apt. Am not sure about the laws in FL, but, by gollies, it does seem that Satsuma and Putnam county pretty much march to the beat of their own drummers, regardless of FL law in some instances.

I agree that it does not seem that the 911 call was rehearsed, but it could very well be that there were questions asked that they did not anticipate. They aren't rocket scientists, and maybe didn't think about the height, weight thing. Actually, if they HAD tho't that would be asked, I'm not sure they had a clue what she weighed etc.

There is no evidence of a break in according to LE. But, IIRC, Ron was talking about evidence of a breakin. Perhaps. in setting up the scene, he didn't do a very good job making it look like someone pried the door (probably didn't want to have to repair anything) since LE didn't see what he saw.