10 Questions About the Case

[Zingo]

Hi, I'm new here. I have been fascinated with this case, but I am not much into downloading legal documents and video. All of my knowledge of the case comes from watching NG/GVS, etc. (and perusing message boards like this one).

So, I have some lingering questions that maybe some of you web detectives can answer from your research:

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?)

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work?

3. Where was Caylee during the day?

4. Where was Caylee at night?

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?)

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative).

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder?

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales?

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them?

10. When does the state think Caylee actually died? (when do you think?

[One2Snoop]

I'll try to answer best I can....

1. No evidence that I'm aware of that it was a lie.

2. I've read that she hung out at Lee's place during the day - besides that not sure. :shrug:

3. :shrug:

4. Casey, Cindy and the car? :shrug:

5. I didn't know there was a conflict in their statements. I'd have to go back and re read it.

6. Not sure how it weaves into the story other than KC was trying to lie her way out of not being home - really not sure though.

7. Duct tape/heart on the tape - they must have more we haven't seen.

8. Speculation is she saw her at Sawgrass apartments. Also there's a Zenaida who lives in the neighborhood and a Gonzales - really not sure about that either. :shrug:

9. He called 3 times/3days in a row. I did hear him make a statement about wanting to remain anonymous - but I guess that didn't work out. I don't recall why he didn't wait or if he ever gave a response to that question.

10. I think June 16th. The state - :shrug:

LOL well I guess I wasn't much help - welcome to CL. :seeya:

[Zingo]

I'll try to answer best I can....

1. No evidence that I'm aware of that it was a lie.

2. I've read that she hung out at Lee's place during the day - besides that not sure. :shrug:

3. :shrug:

4. Casey, Cindy and the car? :shrug:

5. I didn't know there was a conflict in their statements. I'd have to go back and re read it.

6. Not sure how it weaves into the story other than KC was trying to lie her way out of not being home - really not sure though.

7. Duct tape/heart on the tape - they must have more we haven't seen.

8. Speculation is she saw her at Sawgrass apartments. Also there's a Zenaida who lives in the neighborhood and a Gonzales - really not sure about that either. :shrug:

9. He called 3 times/3days in a row. I did hear him make a statement about wanting to remain anonymous - but I guess that didn't work out. I don't recall why he didn't wait or if he ever gave a response to that question.

10. I think June 16th. The state - :shrug:

LOL well I guess I wasn't much help - welcome to CL. :seeya:

Thanks ... I guess we're all pretty much in the dark -- until the made-for-TV movie comes out. LOL

[John Cauthen]

Where did Casey go everyday that she was supposedly at work? Where was Casey at night?

Those are the best questions of all. Most of Casey’s Internet activity was to Orlando escort services. That was reported by a graphic on Nancy Grace, but no one talked about it. It seems Casey was working as a party girl or escort in the Orlando area. Neither of her parents had very good jobs. Her father was a security guard, and he had $50,000 in gambling debts. Casey seemed to be working for escort services and giving her parents the money. That’s how her mother and father could make it financially.

[One2Snoop]

Where did Casey go everyday that she was supposedly at work? Where was Casey at night?

Those are the best questions of all. Most of Casey’s Internet activity was to Orlando escort services. That was reported by a graphic on Nancy Grace, but no one talked about it. It seems Casey was working as a party girl or escort in the Orlando area. Neither of her parents had very good jobs. Her father was a security guard, and he had $50,000 in gambling debts. Casey seemed to be working for escort services and giving her parents the money. That’s how her mother and father could make it financially.

Are you stating this as fact or is it your opinion? We've not heard or seen any evidence indicating what you've proposed. Surely with as much digging as the media has done in this case there would've been a leak of some sort indicating such activity. JMO

Welcome to CL. :seeya:

[Zingo]

I see Casey as too lazy and unmotivated to be a professional escort. Those high-end call girls are all business (from what I hear ... LOL). I can't see Casey doing anything other than mooching off her family, friends, boyfriends and pretending to be an "event planner."

I don't think she is nearly sophisticated enough to have a secret life as a call girl. She just likes to party, and finds other people to foot the bill.

Oh, and with Leonard's bombshell tonight, we now know that Casey left on the 15th, and Caylee was never seen again. (That's question #1) ... Yes, I know LP is full of himself, but his theory makes so much sense.

[John Cauthen]

If the press knows Casey was a high-end call girl and was giving her money to her parents, that would make Casey look good. The press doesn't pass along anything that would make her look good.

I came up with this theory on my own because Nancy Grace did a graphic that showed Casey had many visits to Orlando escort sites. And I believe it because her parents didn't have good enough jobs to support the normal way they were living in a regular neighborhood.

[mu8shark]

If the press knows Casey was a high-end call girl and was giving her money to her parents, that would make Casey look good. The press doesn't pass along anything that would make her look good.

I came up with this theory on my own because Nancy Grace did a graphic that showed Casey had many visits to Orlando escort sites. And I believe it because her parents didn't have good enough jobs to support the normal way they were living in a regular neighborhood. Casey may have been toying with the idea of doing that. However, there were about 40 of those on the search in areas that were out of state. Are we to believe that she worked at all 40 and was just pulling in the dough, yet still stealing from Amy, her parents and grandparents and mooching off everybody. Not to be nasty but if that is your theory it does not really make sense that she would be stealing so often if she was rolling in the dough so much that she was supporting her parents. She was doing too much stealing to be supporting her parents. Also I agree it is not in her personality to have any job, legal or illegal and i totally disagree that the press would know this and keep it a secret because it makes her look good. Does the name Amy Fischer ring a bell? She slept with a few guys as an amateur prostitute. When they found out about one guy, just one guy, the media had it all over the place. It would be such a great sensational angle to this story, media wise if they could find out about it, they would run with it.. I have seen nothing to support this.

[mu8shark]

Hi, I'm new here. I have been fascinated with this case, but I am not much into downloading legal documents and video. All of my knowledge of the case comes from watching NG/GVS, etc. (and perusing message boards like this one).

So, I have some lingering questions that maybe some of you web detectives can answer from your research:

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?) mu8shark I see no evidence that this was a lie as there was no reason for it and phone records put her back in her parents house a few hours later

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work? mu8shark good question

3. Where was Caylee during the day? mu8shark unknown

4. Where was Caylee at night?mu8shark

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?) mu8shark Neither knew she was supposedly working and I don't think either really knew. I do not recall any conflicting stories.

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative). mu8shark I think she told her Dad that when she was looking for an excuse to be out of town supposedly for so long. She told George this on the 24th of June and Cindy was retelling it in an interview to police even knowing that Casey supposedly disappeared on the 16th with Zanny and both were never seen again.

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder? mu8shark I think the duct tape did it and the fact that she looked up chloroform monthis in advance and then there were massive quantities found in the trunk.

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales?mu8shark I think she saw her card at Sawgrass that day that Zenaida was looking for an apartment and she even saw what car she got into . That is just my opinion.

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them?mu8shark He saw a suspicous bag , he never claims in any of the 911 calls that he saw a body or bones or anything like that until Dec 11. Also he reports the bag was white and grey in Aug and the bones were actually found in a black bag with a yellow tie. It is my opinion, the meter reader did not even have the right bag until Dec 11.

10. When does the state think Caylee actually died? (when do you think?mu8shark The state claims she died on the 16th and I agree. They put her in her parents house from about 2-4pm roughly and Caylee was not with her that night when she went to Tonys nor on film when they went to Blockbuster. She also made a flurry of calls from on or around her parents house after 3 11 pm that day to her Mom and Dad .

[John Cauthen]

Yeah, if she were floating the family, why steal her own money back?

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.

[One2Snoop]

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.


:confused: I've never heard this before. Do you have a link that shows this info about the $4,000?

Casey hasn't worked since early 2006 - verified by Orange County Law Enforcement.

[John Cauthen]

No, I just heard that a $4000 check she gave to Cindy bounced. I think Cindy said it.

"Casey hasn't worked since early 2006 - verified by Orange County Law Enforcement."

That would only cover legal businesses. Casey was super secretive, even with her friends. She's super secretive even today when the fact that she may have worked in an illegal business could help her case.

[mu8shark]

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.Okay John you will probably get tired of me on here but first of all she was not paid for those photos. The photographer and the club owner said she was never employed by them, ever. ! Cindy then changed the story to say Casey was posing for a liquior company and got paid but again the photographer who took the photo said Casey was a girl at the club period. Also the 4,000 you are talking about was not a check that bounced. According to Georges interview she gave Cindy and George a deposit slip for 4,000 showing she had deposited that in their account supposedly to pay back money she stole. Here is the big kicker LE looked at their bank records and George admitted that he was amazed she had made the deposit slip look so realistic but the bank records show she did not put any money in their account, not even one dollar, much less four grand. LE ask George how he thinks she doctored it and he talks about her being good on the computer. But LE and the Anthonys both know the deposit slip turned out to be bogus. It is clearly in Georges interviews. She was not looking for Caylee, she went to Target and shopped with Amys stolen money, she stole a Pennys card from her mother and she cooked and cleaned for Tony. She went to clubs every Friday night, At what point was she looking for her daughter??? Unless she was checking the various establishment bathrooms for Zenaida and Caylee. Not one friend recalls her ever even asking one single question anywhere when they were clubbing asking any Zanny nor Caylee. The people she supposedly told that Caylee had been kidnapped, one did not exist , the other has no idea what she is referring to. How can you explain that Cindy paid for everything? Doctors visits, toys, food, and George paid some utility bills. Why would her mother be dogging her for not making a dime and contributing to the household if she was pulling in big escort bucks You know the media is pretty saavy and looooves hooker stories. If anyone is a hooker the media would not cover up for them. I think frankly this is somewhat naive. . You know the tabloids would love this escort/hooker angle. I have to admit I did wonder if she was doing this and thus the searches. I also considered that she did not know the father of Caylee because it was a client, however, once I realized that all of the evidence pointed to her being a lazy, stealing , shiftless, sociopath who leeched off of everybody else, I discounted it. Also if she was working for one escort service why would she be looking at all of those escort services. At the most she would be looking at a few not all those listed on the searches. As I said some were out of state. Are we to believe she was jetting all around to escort services around the country? Casey was not secretive about her job, she simply lied and said she was an event planner at Universal. It may be your theory but there was no 4.000 check nor was she paid to pose for those photos. Now if you choose to believe Casey and think everyone else is lying that is one thing, but this smacks of a wild conspiracy theory , don't ya think?

[mu8shark]

:confused: I've never heard this before. Do you have a link that shows this info about the $4,000?

[[B]Casey hasn't worked since early 2006 - verified by Orange County Law Enforcement. And LE certainly has enough connections in vice to ascertain if Casey was doing this , even if it is illegal. Casey is not smart enough to pull this off and have the media never stumble upon it and for LE not to find out. They have scrutinized every facet of her life so that is a good point. LE would know if she was employed especially in vice.

[mu8shark]

Also I was rereading a summary of one of Georges interviews and there was a point where Casey said she was working for the Sports Authority and she was robbed at gunpoint of 4,000 dollars. Turns out she was not working for the Sports Authority nor was she robbed. George and LE checked this out as well.

[lighthousedazy]

And LE certainly has enough connections in vice to ascertain if Casey was doing this , even if it is illegal. Casey is not smart enough to pull this off and have the media never stumble upon it and for LE not to find out. They have scrutinized every facet of her life so that is a good point. LE would know if she was employed especially in vice.I definately agree with you. As much as I detest the escort business, those girls have to be intelligent and have a lot of business sense, and LE would have no problem finding out this info in a NY minute. As far as caysee floating Cindy, registered nurses make about 25 to 50+ dollars an hour. If I was an employed registered nurse, I would not need to be floated, especially in the south, where the COL is less than say up north. jmo :)

[One2Snoop]

Also I was rereading a summary of one of Georges interviews and there was a point where Casey said she was working for the Sports Authority and she was robbed at gunpoint of 4,000 dollars. Turns out she was not working for the Sports Authority nor was she robbed. George and LE checked this out as well.

Ahhh I do remember this now that you mention it. :beer:

[One2Snoop]

I definately agree with you. As much as I detest the escort business, those girls have to be intelligent and have a lot of business sense, and LE would have no problem finding out this info in a NY minute. As far as caysee floating Cindy, registered nurses make about 25 to 50+ dollars an hour. If I was an employed registered nurse, I would not need to be floated, especially in the south, where the COL is less than say up north. jmo :)


I agree LHD.

Do any of you remember in one of the video's Cindy told Casey she didn't have to work and she could stay home and take care of Caylee?

[mu8shark]

Since it is kind of frowned upon to post other message boards posters posts I will just post the url where someone else refers to this fake deposit slip from one of the interviews. I knew I remembered that although I have to be honest I am now wondering if the amount was 4,000 or 1400.oo but will check that. Anyways other poster read this as well. http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/casey-anthony-update-7-november/., About halfway through post talking about fake deposit slip

[mu8shark]

I agree LHD.

Do any of you remember in one of the video's Cindy told Casey she didn't have to work and she could stay home and take care of Caylee? Yes I remember that and as much as you all know I dislike Cindy I do not suspect her or George of just pimping their 22 year old daughter out so she can float them money. I would not go that far. LOL. And you all know how I feel about Cindy! Besides everybody said they argued about Casey non contribution to the household, the extended family talks about it email, the neighbors mention it in the arguement they heard, George refers to it. And allegedly Cindy told the counselor about it.

[Zingo]

Okay John you will probably get tired of me on here but first of all she was not paid for those photos. The photographer and the club owner said she was never employed by them, ever. ! Cindy then changed the story to say Casey was posing for a liquior company and got paid but again the photographer who took the photo said Casey was a girl at the club period. Also the 4,000 you are talking about was not a check that bounced. According to Georges interview she gave Cindy and George a deposit slip for 4,000 showing she had deposited that in their account supposedly to pay back money she stole. Here is the big kicker LE looked at their bank records and George admitted that he was amazed she had made the deposit slip look so realistic but the bank records show she did not put any money in their account, not even one dollar, much less four grand. LE ask George how he thinks she doctored it and he talks about her being good on the computer. But LE and the Anthonys both know the deposit slip turned out to be bogus. It is clearly in Georges interviews. She was not looking for Caylee, she went to Target and shopped with Amys stolen money, she stole a Pennys card from her mother and she cooked and cleaned for Tony. She went to clubs every Friday night, At what point was she looking for her daughter??? Unless she was checking the various establishment bathrooms for Zenaida and Caylee. Not one friend recalls her ever even asking one single question anywhere when they were clubbing asking any Zanny nor Caylee. The people she supposedly told that Caylee had been kidnapped, one did not exist , the other has no idea what she is referring to. How can you explain that Cindy paid for everything? Doctors visits, toys, food, and George paid some utility bills. Why would her mother be dogging her for not making a dime and contributing to the household if she was pulling in big escort bucks You know the media is pretty saavy and looooves hooker stories. If anyone is a hooker the media would not cover up for them. I think frankly this is somewhat naive. . You know the tabloids would love this escort/hooker angle. I have to admit I did wonder if she was doing this and thus the searches. I also considered that she did not know the father of Caylee because it was a client, however, once I realized that all of the evidence pointed to her being a lazy, stealing , shiftless, sociopath who leeched off of everybody else, I discounted it. Also if she was working for one escort service why would she be looking at all of those escort services. At the most she would be looking at a few not all those listed on the searches. As I said some were out of state. Are we to believe she was jetting all around to escort services around the country? Casey was not secretive about her job, she simply lied and said she was an event planner at Universal. It may be your theory but there was no 4.000 check nor was she paid to pose for those photos. Now if you choose to believe Casey and think everyone else is lying that is one thing, but this smacks of a wild conspiracy theory , don't ya think?

Bravo! Excellent response MU.

Casey definitely was having a lot of sex -- but not ambitious enough to get paid for it, IMHO.

Back to the date of death. I still have a hard time reconciling that George saw Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th. It makes SO much more sense that Casey stormed out with Caylee the night of the big family fight (we know this only because the neighbors heard it, right - no one from the family admits it?)

Casey is volatile. She needs a "trigger" ... The threat of having Cindy take Caylee away was the trigger, and she decided to get rid of Caylee for good. (I still don't understand how at midnight she could have had the foresight to bring duct tape with her when she stormed out.

It's possible that she just decided that night to commit the murder, but waited until the next day. She is that ruthless. I definitely believe that.

[mu8shark]

Here is the NG transcript of Nov 7 where the bogus slip is mentioned in George's interview. It was taken straight from his interview that they played on air. ANTHONY: Right. Because when she started coming clean with the money she was taking, and this and that coming up, yes, she balled. I mean she literally balled. She didn`t -- because we just kept on catching her in stuff.

I`ll tell you one thing, I don`t know how one time she made a $4400 or $4,000 deposit into my wife`s account. We still don`t know how she did it. It looked very real, you know, the carbon copy type of thing, and it looked real. End quote and interview snippet

[One2Snoop]

Here is the NG transcript of Nov 7 where the bogus slip is mentioned in George's interview. It was taken straight from his interview that they played on air. ANTHONY: Right. Because when she started coming clean with the money she was taking, and this and that coming up, yes, she balled. I mean she literally balled. She didn`t -- because we just kept on catching her in stuff.

I`ll tell you one thing, I don`t know how one time she made a $4400 or $4,000 deposit into my wife`s account. We still don`t know how she did it. It looked very real, you know, the carbon copy type of thing, and it looked real. End quote and interview snippet

:seeya: Thanks - I just pm'd you the link LOL.

[mu8shark]

Bravo! Excellent response MU.

Casey definitely was having a lot of sex -- but not ambitious enough to get paid for it, IMHO.

Back to the date of death. I still have a hard time reconciling that George saw Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th. It makes SO much more sense that Casey stormed out with Caylee the night of the big family fight (we know this only because the neighbors heard it, right - no one from the family admits it?)

Casey is volatile. She needs a "trigger" ... The threat of having Cindy take Caylee away was the trigger, and she decided to get rid of Caylee for good. (I still don't understand how at midnight she could have had the foresight to bring duct tape with her when she stormed out.

It's possible that she just decided that night to commit the murder, but waited until the next day. She is that ruthless. I definitely believe that. Here is my thinking if she stormed out that night in a huff she stewed and stewed and got madder and madder overnight. She settled into a determined and calculated rage. I don't think she stormed out and remembered to take take the wtp blanket, the stickers, the horsey and garbage bags and tape and then took her elsewhere. I think she played it cool, came back at some point, left in her little fake "Going to work ploy, waited for George to leave and came back into the house with a very alive Caylee and killed her and rounded up the blanket, the tape, the bag, the sticker, etc, etc. I just don't think when you run out in a huff that night you remember to take all that stuff. Not one friend says she stayed with them on the night of the 15th, no boyfriends, no hotel check in, not Lee, nothing and I can't imagine Casey spending the night in her car. Someone would have come forward to contradict this story and say"Yeah Casey stayed with me that night. George is wrong. " Nobody did and her friends have been pretty forthcoming. Just my thinking.

[John Cauthen]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

[mu8shark]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from? John the point is you say that Casey had wild explanations. Yes she did. Read the interviews with George and Cindy and the emails from the family. If you really look at the people who know her and the LE documents with interviews with her friends you will see a pattern, Casey lied and lied and lied about everything, She told wild stories. That is what she did. It is not that our stories are unbelievable, hers were. I am telling you LE would know if she had a job, legal or illegal and the vice departments could send out all kinds of feelers on whether she was this escort sevice whiz. You hit the nail on the head with two of your statements one, she was just having irresponsibile fun while living with her parents and yes most of us believe she is the horrible person we believe who killed that child. You can believe your theory of course, but there is zero evidence to point to it. I'm just saying..... LE has released probably a thousand pages of documents that show that they did a very thorough investigation, I don't think they would have missed this scenario of her being the true bread winner or being employed by the mafia. ! Sometimes things are just what they seem.

[applesandorange]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?


Casey wasn't working. Period. End of story. She stole from family and freinds to get what she wanted. George and Cindy live the life style because of having credit cards. I know lots of people who live beyond their means with credit cards. My mom always said we could have had a bigger better house but she wanted to have money to actually do things. Just because they have a nice house and vehicles means they have money. JMO

[lighthousedazy]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?Ok John, I have a 22 year old. He is brilliant bookwise, but not so much street wise. Come back down to earth. Even the mafia is not in to baby killing. caysee was into having fun and all for the pleasure of herself only. jmo

[Zingo]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

Nurses make decent money ... ... Between Cindy and George, they lived a middle class life. I'm sure they had a lot of debt, judging on all the stuff they had in their house, and their backyard, and vehicles.

I wouldn't put it past Casey to be involved in something shady. But whatever she was doing, she wasn't good enough at it to be self-sufficient.

[applesandorange]

John the point is you say that Casey had wild explanations. Yes she did. Read the interviews with George and Cindy and the emails from the family. If you really look at the people who know her and the LE documents with interviews with her friends you will see a pattern, Casey lied and lied and lied about everything, She told wild stories. That is what she did. It is not that our stories are unbelievable, hers were. I am telling you LE would know if she had a job, legal or illegal and the vice departments could send out all kinds of feelers on whether she was this escort sevice whiz. You hit the nail on the head with two of your statements one, she was just having irresponsibile fun while living with her parents and yes most of us believe she is the horrible person we believe who killed that child. You can believe your theory of course, but there is zero evidence to point to it. I'm just saying..... LE has released probably a thousand pages of documents that show that they did a very thorough investigation, I don't think they would have missed this scenario of her being the true bread winner or being employed by the mafia. ! Sometimes things are just what they seem.


Good to have you back MU. I missed you while you were gone.

ITA with your entire post. IF Casey had a job we'd all know about it. AND IF she had a job she would have had to have a REAL nanny. Which we KNOW she didn't.

[One2Snoop]

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

The rational answer to that is, CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!

CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.

CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.

THATS IT!

[mu8shark]

Thanks A and O , I missed everybody on here as well. !!

[One2Snoop]

They could be bigger than the Mafia.

:eek: OMG! I think you might be on to something! Not! :punch:
Seriously thats just about the most ridiculous scenario I've read yet.

I can't take it anymore. Goodnight all! :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

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[John Cauthen]

Even the mafia is not in to baby killing.

There are people who are into child exploitation; who are worse than the Mafia, and those people would take and kill a little girl.

All her lawyers have to do is prove Casey was connected with those kinds of people, and there, they have established reasonable doubt.

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CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!
CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.
CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.
THATS IT!"
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All of that may be physically and financially impossible without monetary contributions from Casey. Cindy may not have been satisfied that her contributions were enough. Casey may not have been working very hard, but she could have been working for sleazy people, putting the money in her mother's account. The entire truth may have been hidden from George, who couldn't take it.

A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to the fact that she might have been connected with people who also exploit children. We don't know that yet, and no one is talking. Casey admits she is hiding the truth.

Maybe they think they can spring that story cold at trial, which they can't. If it's true, they need to start now, and prove she was working for such people, who cut off her funds when she was looking for Caylee, so that Casey begged, borrowed, and stole money at one point.

Remember this happened around DisneyWorld, which has to be the epicenter of people who like to exploit children.

And that angle makes this story even bigger and more dramatic.

[lighthousedazy]

I respect your opinion JC, but I think the people that exploit children are only in it for themselves and work alone, (not mafia). jmo

[applesandorange]

There are people who are into child exploitation; who are worse than the Mafia, and those people would take and kill a little girl.

All her lawyers have to do is prove Casey was connected with those kinds of people, and there, they have established reasonable doubt.

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CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!
CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.
CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.
THATS IT!"
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All of that may be physically and financially impossible without monetary contributions from Casey. Cindy may not have been satisfied that her contributions were enough. Casey may not have been working very hard, but she could have been working for sleazy people, putting the money in her mother's account. The entire truth may have been hidden from George, who couldn't take it.

A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to the fact that she might have been connected with people who also exploit children. We don't know that yet, and no one is talking. Casey admits she is hiding the truth.

Maybe they think they can spring that story cold at trial, which they can't. If it's true, they need to start now, and prove she was working for such people, who cut off her funds when she was looking for Caylee, so that Casey begged, borrowed, and stole money at one point.

Remember this happened around DisneyWorld, which has to be the epicenter of people who like to exploit children.

And that angle makes this story even bigger and more dramatic.


Okay 1. What kind of reasonable doubt is there when all of the evidence is either in the car or linked back to the A's house? Even the dirt samples can be linked.

#2. LE has come out and said they know Casey was the only person involved in Caylee's murder.

#3 What the heck are you taling about a great deal of circumstancial evidence proves Casey was working for those kind of people? What circumstancial evidence points to that? All the circumstancial evidence IMO points to Casey killing Caylee out of spit towards her mom and because Caylee was a cramp on her lifestyle. It says she duct taped her mouth, put a heart sticker on it, chloroformed her, wrapped her in a blanket inside the house, placed her in a laundry bag then a trash bag, tried to bury her in the backyard, changed her mind, put her in the trunk, dumped her body in the woods. After that the pics and friends say she was partying and even got a tattoo that meand "beautiful life". Who the heck would party and get that tattoo if they were messed up with *those* kind of people and KNOW *those* kind of people have their child?

[mu8shark]

Okay 1. What kind of reasonable doubt is there when all of the evidence is either in the car or linked back to the A's house? Even the dirt samples can be linked.

#2. LE has come out and said they know Casey was the only person involved in Caylee's murder.

#3 What the heck are you taling about a great deal of circumstancial evidence proves Casey was working for those kind of people? What circumstancial evidence points to that? All the circumstancial evidence IMO points to Casey killing Caylee out of spit towards her mom and because Caylee was a cramp on her lifestyle. It says she duct taped her mouth, put a heart sticker on it, chloroformed her, wrapped her in a blanket inside the house, placed her in a laundry bag then a trash bag, tried to bury her in the backyard, changed her mind, put her in the trunk, dumped her body in the woods. After that the pics and friends say she was partying and even got a tattoo that meand "beautiful life". Who the heck would party and get that tattoo if they were messed up with *those* kind of people and KNOW *those* kind of people have their child? I completely agree with you A and O. There is not a great deal of evidence that connects Casey to these types of people at all. In fact there is nothing, zilch, nada, butkus. John I would not find it hard to believe that alot of stuff was hidden from George but it would be impossible for LE to do an investigation with such depth and miss all of this. It would literally be impossible that they would not have a clue. You can't rewrite the evidence and make it something to fit your theory. First she was a prostitute or an escort and now that that theory has hit the dust, she is involved in some pedophile mafia type ring. You have to have some sort of evidence , links to documents, financial records, something. If they were to bring this theory up as reasonable doubt, I would be delighted because it is hogwash and any reasonable juror would see through it. Really now I think we are being flamed with wild defense theories.

[John Cauthen]

Jesse said he heard Caylee in the background during a phone conversation on June 24. The decomposition smell was first discovered on June 24. That means Caylee’s voice was heard over the phone while she was in a state of decomposition in the trunk.

One of those two things is not true. Due to tremendous pressure to stick with the official story, Jesse recanted that he heard Caylee over the phone. Okay, but if he purposefully lied about hearing Caylee, was he throwing Casey an alibi? That would have meant he knew about a murder. If he did, then he would probably become the state’s star witness who would now say he knew Casey murdered Caylee.

If he didn’t know exactly what day a murder happened, then he had no reason to lie about hearing Caylee on June 24. That was just an observation he told police.

That innocent observation makes the whole decomposition smell in the trunk look like a sophisticated setup to frame Casey. And remember, I say someone has already blocked payment on a $4000 check when she was trying for 30 days to get Caylee back.

The most normal way to get a realistic deposit slip but not have $4000 in the bank is to deposit a check in the bank, believing it’s good, then have someone block payment on it.

Someone blocked payment on a check and someone may have planted damning evidence in the trunk, but Jesse said he heard Caylee over the phone on June 24 and he had no reason to lie unless he knew about a murder. In that case he would be saying today that he knew about the murder.

Those kinds of inconsistencies pop up all over the place in this case.

As far as proving what Casey was doing, there is no need to speculate, just examine Cindy's bank and credit card records for unexplained money. And George would have been kept in the dark. We see he can't take the truth.

If my theory is wild, Cindy won't have any extra money that didn't come from nursing.

[SaraSidle]

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[John Cauthen]

Who the heck would party and get that tattoo if they were messed up with *those* kind of people and KNOW *those* kind of people have their child?

In Casey's first interview with Detective Melich, she said she was supposed to pickup Caylee the previous day but Caylee wasn't where she was supposed to be, and so Caylee had been missing one day.

Then Casey herself went to the 30 day story. But Casey's friend Kiomarie testified that Casey called her on July 12 asking to borrow $150; and during the conversation Kiomarie heard Caylee say "mommy mommy mommy" to Casey. Casey answered, "Not now honey. I'm on the phone."

So Casey was with Caylee on July 12, and she told Detective Melich she was supposed to pick up Caylee on July 15. I believe Casey had Caylee adopted in an illegal way through her illegal friends on June 16. It was an illegal open adoption where Casey had full access to Caylee but someone else had legal responsibility, hence The Beautiful Life. Casey was free, and she could be with Caylee anytime she wanted to.

Casey speculated to police, "I don't think my mother will ever forgive me for what I've done." That sounds like she was referring to an illegal adoption, not wrapping duct tape all the way around Caylee's head and killing her, because she wouldn't need to speculate, she could be sure her mother would not forgive her for that.

And here is a second witness that says she heard Caylee after Caylee was supposed to have been decomposing in the trunk.

[Zingo]

In Casey's first interview with Detective Melich, she said she was supposed to pickup Caylee the previous day but Caylee wasn't where she was supposed to be, and so Caylee had been missing one day.

Then Casey herself went to the 30 day story. But Casey's friend Kiomarie testified that Casey called her on July 12 asking to borrow $150; and during the conversation Kiomarie heard Caylee say "mommy mommy mommy" to Casey. Casey answered, "Not now honey. I'm on the phone."

So Casey was with Caylee on July 12, and she told Detective Melich she was supposed to pick up Caylee on July 15. I believe Casey had Caylee adopted in an illegal way through her illegal friends on June 16. It was an illegal open adoption where Casey had full access to Caylee but someone else had legal responsibility, hence The Beautiful Life. Casey was free, and she could be with Caylee anytime she wanted to.

Casey speculated to police, "I don't think my mother will ever forgive me for what I've done." That sounds like she was referring to an illegal adoption, not wrapping duct tape all the way around Caylee's head and killing her, because she wouldn't need to speculate, she could be sure her mother would not forgive her for that.

And here is a second witness that says she heard Caylee after Caylee was supposed to have been decomposing in the trunk.

I would be willing to consider ALL these alternative theories until the remains turned up.

Why would anyone illegally "adopt" Caylee, only to kill her a few days/weeks later, and go to elaboarate means to frame Casey??? It borders on the ridiculous "hippies did it" theory advanced by Scott Petersen.

If you're suggesting that a pedaphile "adopted" Caylee, then killed her and dumped her body in Casey's neighborhood, well it's a stretch ...

-- We have no evidence of Casey researching "sell your toddler into the sex trade"

-- If she were paid for this "illegal adoption" what happened to the money? She wouldn't have needed to steal. And why wouldn't she move to California, as she apparently had always wanted to, if she had a stash of cash?

There is reasonable doubt, then there is unreasonable doubt.

If Casey wants to go with the "pedaphile mafia" did it -- I'd say that would be unreasonable doubt. But John, you certainly have added a unique view to the board, and I appreciate someone willing to play "devil's advocate." Makes things interesting!

[applesandorange]

In Casey's first interview with Detective Melich, she said she was supposed to pickup Caylee the previous day but Caylee wasn't where she was supposed to be, and so Caylee had been missing one day.

Then Casey herself went to the 30 day story. But Casey's friend Kiomarie testified that Casey called her on July 12 asking to borrow $150; and during the conversation Kiomarie heard Caylee say "mommy mommy mommy" to Casey. Casey answered, "Not now honey. I'm on the phone."

So Casey was with Caylee on July 12, and she told Detective Melich she was supposed to pick up Caylee on July 15. I believe Casey had Caylee adopted in an illegal way through her illegal friends on June 16. It was an illegal open adoption where Casey had full access to Caylee but someone else had legal responsibility, hence The Beautiful Life. Casey was free, and she could be with Caylee anytime she wanted to.

Casey speculated to police, "I don't think my mother will ever forgive me for what I've done." That sounds like she was referring to an illegal adoption, not wrapping duct tape all the way around Caylee's head and killing her, because she wouldn't need to speculate, she could be sure her mother would not forgive her for that.

And here is a second witness that says she heard Caylee after Caylee was supposed to have been decomposing in the trunk.



Just answer this..... Casey says she hasn't seen Caylee for 31 days then LE says they KNOW Caylee died on June 16th which is 31 days from when Caylee was reported "missing". If everything you are saying is true how would these two dates match up like they do?

Also if all that is true why wouldn't Casey tell someone? Why would she be sitting in prison going down for murder charges?

[RaVeN71806]

Very well said Apple...Casey is not the type of person to go to jail for another persons crime...I'm sorry john but for me to believe your theory of any of this I need to see hardcore documentation in front of me...because this stuff is just out there...there is no way that Cindy would not talk about her daughters "jobs" she would be the first to tell to cover her daughter....imho...

[John Cauthen]

You are right. I was hoping to keep it simple: the evil pedophiles did it. That way Casey is not killed for a crime I don’t think she committed.

I don’t think evil pedophiles did it, but we have this big fact that Casey suddenly had no money in the 30 days she was trying to get Caylee back.

Maybe she had always been mooching off her parents, and since she hadn’t seen them in 30 days, therefore she had no money. If so, couldn’t she just go back to her parent’s house and say, “High guys, been missing you.” And then leave with some more money, which they normally give her?

I can’t imagine Casey blatantly asking her parents for money. Maybe she lives with them, maybe she eats their food, maybe they buy things for Caylee, but for her to ever say, “Give me some cash” seems outrageous.

And if she was mooching off boyfriends, she wouldn’t have any petty cash problems, since she was cooking, cleaning, and sleeping with them.

Strangely, Casey didn’t seem to be asking her boyfriends for spending money. There had to be another source, which suddenly ran out when she was in a conflict with someone over Caylee.

Now all we have to do is find out where her money was coming from, because those same people cut off her money when there was a conflict for 30 days over Caylee. They had some reason to be conflicted with Casey over Caylee, a big enough reason to cut off her money.

When Casey stormed out of the house with Caylee on June 15 or 16, I think that was when she decided to take up someone's offer to adopt Caylee in an illegal open adoption, getting her mother out of her life, but making no money from the adoption.

She told police, "I was willing to provide Caylee with another home."

[applesandorange]

You are right. I was hoping to keep it simple: the evil pedophiles did it. That way Casey is not killed for a crime I don’t think she committed.

I don’t think evil pedophiles did it, but we have this big fact that Casey suddenly had no money in the 30 days she was trying to get Caylee back.

Maybe she had always been mooching off her parents, and since she hadn’t seen them in 30 days, therefore she had no money. If so, couldn’t she just go back to her parent’s house and say, “High guys, been missing you.” And then leave with some more money, which they normally give her?

I can’t imagine Casey blatantly asking her parents for money. Maybe she lives with them, maybe she eats their food, maybe they buy things for Caylee, but for her to ever say, “Give me some cash” seems outrageous.

And if she was mooching off boyfriends, she wouldn’t have any petty cash problems, since she was cooking, cleaning, and sleeping with them.

Strangely, Casey didn’t seem to be asking her boyfriends for spending money. There had to be another source, which suddenly ran out when she was in a conflict with someone over Caylee.

Now all we have to do is find out where her money was coming from, because those same people cut off her money when there was a conflict for 30 days over Caylee. They had some reason to be conflicted with Casey over Caylee, a big enough reason to cut off her money.

When Casey stormed out of the house with Caylee on June 15 or 16, I think that was when she decided to take up someone's offer to adopt Caylee in an illegal open adoption, getting her mother out of her life, but making no money from the adoption.

She told police, "I was willing to provide Caylee with another home."


Of course she couldn't go walking back into the home and asking for money or anything BECAUSE SHE KILLED CAYLEE. She knew if she went home without Caylee her parents would be all over that.

Casey NEVER had any money. She stole money from people.


It's been proven where her money came from. It came from people she stole from. Cindy had been covering her thieving daughters butt for years.


Okay and then the adopted parents just decide hey we don't want the kid anymore let's kill her and put her somewhere near Casey's house. Let's put all this evidence in the trunk of Casey's car. Let's jump through a window to get a toy horse, blanket and heart sticker. Yeah your theory makes sense to me :rolleyes:

[Zingo]

You are right. I was hoping to keep it simple: the evil pedophiles did it. That way Casey is not killed for a crime I don’t think she committed.

I don’t think evil pedophiles did it, but we have this big fact that Casey suddenly had no money in the 30 days she was trying to get Caylee back.

Maybe she had always been mooching off her parents, and since she hadn’t seen them in 30 days, therefore she had no money. If so, couldn’t she just go back to her parent’s house and say, “High guys, been missing you.” And then leave with some more money, which they normally give her?

I can’t imagine Casey blatantly asking her parents for money. Maybe she lives with them, maybe she eats their food, maybe they buy things for Caylee, but for her to ever say, “Give me some cash” seems outrageous.

And if she was mooching off boyfriends, she wouldn’t have any petty cash problems, since she was cooking, cleaning, and sleeping with them.

Strangely, Casey didn’t seem to be asking her boyfriends for spending money. There had to be another source, which suddenly ran out when she was in a conflict with someone over Caylee.

Now all we have to do is find out where her money was coming from, because those same people cut off her money when there was a conflict for 30 days over Caylee. They had some reason to be conflicted with Casey over Caylee, a big enough reason to cut off her money.

When Casey stormed out of the house with Caylee on June 15 or 16, I think that was when she decided to take up someone's offer to adopt Caylee in an illegal open adoption, getting her mother out of her life, but making no money from the adoption.

She told police, "I was willing to provide Caylee with another home."


Illegal open adoption ...

Does sending Caylee to be with the angels qualify?

[John Cauthen]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money.

[applesandorange]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money.

Noone is talking about her "jobs" because she had no jobs. I wouldn't want to waste my time talking to Casey Anthony if SHE PAID ME. Anything that comes out of her mouth is lies. You go ahead and waste your time and money on a baby killer. That's your perogative. I don't think anyone here has any questions for her except WHY DID YOU KILL CAYLEE? JMO

[John Cauthen]

Of course she couldn't go walking back into the home and asking for money or anything BECAUSE SHE KILLED CAYLEE. She knew if she went home without Caylee her parents would be all over that.

Casey NEVER had any money. She stole money from people.


It's been proven where her money came from. It came from people she stole from. Cindy had been covering her thieving daughters butt for years.

If that all of that is true, she deserves what she's getting. I would like to find out by asking my questions. And it would be a monumental Internet attraction. How many people are as supportive of Casey as I have just been? I am absolutely sure she is innocent. Even her parents aren't supporting her to that degree.

[applesandorange]

If that all of that is true, she deserves what she's getting. I would like to find out by asking her questions.


So you think you can get farther than LE did by asking questions? You actually expect an honest answer out of her?

[Zingo]

If that all of that is true, she deserves what she's getting. I would like to find out by asking her questions.

Well, please send along these 10 questions, will ya? I still don't have the answers ... :)

[John Cauthen]

If Casey stole, why didn't she just mooch off her boyfriends? We can see she didn't do that when she had the opportunities and the need to.

No one has asked her questions who totally supported her, and who had good logical reasons supported by evidence why she didn't do it.

[applesandorange]

If Casey stole, why didn't she just mooch off her boyfriends? We can see she didn't do that when she had the opportunities and the need to.

No one has asked her questions who totally supported her, and who had good logical reasons supported by evidence why she didn't do it.


She did mooch off her boyfriends by living at their place. She couldn't ask them for spending money because she lied to them and said she had this great job at Universal.

What support did she need? She stayed at Tony's place, took food from her parent's freezer or bought it with checks stolen from Amy. Always either "ran out of gas" or got money from George for it. What more does she need money for?

[applesandorange]

clearly, the long arm of walt disney is leading the cover-up. Disney, with its links to abc and from there, the greater media world, is covering up what really happened to caylee to keep the tourist hordes coming to disneyworld. They are fiendishly suppressing everything that could either make casey look good (prostitution?) or orlando look bad (again, prostitution!). It all makes sense now. Oh no, my theory is just nuts, sorry! :d

funny how casey begged borrowed and stole to "fund" her "search", and used the funds to buy lingerie. It really sucks to hunt for your missing child without any "support", lol! And that kicky hoodie? All the rage for child hunting these days. As for george not being able to handle her being a prostitute...oh, yeah, the current option is so much better! Nurses make good money. I know one who has 4 unemployed people in her house. She doesn't like it, but she can do it.

Hmmn, why would casey be continuing to "cover" for the culprits, since caylee has been found dead? Is she afraid they'll desecrate her body? Maybe she should hurry and bury her then.



great post java!!!!

[John Cauthen]

I don't think Casey has the personality to fight people like you guys, and her lawyers don't seem to be doing a good job. Trials are public and Casey is being convicted in the press, so what about the first Internet trial where the accused gets to constantly speak back to the press?

[John Cauthen]

It's not a special privilege to answer your accusers.

[One2Snoop]

It's not a special privilege to answer your accusers.

Are you related to Tony Lazzaro by chance?

[One2Snoop]

I don't think Casey has the personality to fight people like you guys, and her lawyers don't seem to be doing a good job. Trials are public and Casey is being convicted in the press, so what about the first Internet trial where the accused gets to constantly speak back to the press?

Have you floated this idea to Walt Disney World yet?

[RaVeN71806]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money.


Shes demanding everyone to keep quiet ok that will happen when she admits to killing Caylee but for now no such luck on that...as for talking to her I have nothing to say to a baby killer and that is what she is a BABY KILLER :flamemad:...she is spitful vindictive women who will rot in jail for what shes done and it will be proven shes guilty...this case is a home hitter for me and you know what for a mother to throw her child away like shes garbage is disgusting...

[One2Snoop]

Are you thinking...Fantasyland?

Absolutely! ;) BTW ~ I love your signature line! :beer:

[applesandorange]

Are you related to Tony Lazzaro by chance?


He won't answer you snoop. He doesn't answer anything I write either. That's his MO. Say a bunch of dumb crap and not answer anyone who actually makes sense. IMO his silence says it ALL

[One2Snoop]

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[Gatordog]

If the press knows Casey was a high-end call girl and was giving her money to her parents, that would make Casey look good. The press doesn't pass along anything that would make her look good.

I came up with this theory on my own because Nancy Grace did a graphic that showed Casey had many visits to Orlando escort sites. And I believe it because her parents didn't have good enough jobs to support the normal way they were living in a regular neighborhood.

Cindy Anthony had a very good job. She was a case manager for Gentiva visiting nurse service. I would say her salary was probably $60K to 75K a year. I have no personal knowledge of this but did use Gentiva about five years ago after surgery and became friendly with the visiting nurse. She said Gentiva was an excellent organization and paid the highest in the area. I also worked with a financial analyst who was probably making 45k at the time and his wife was a pt nurse for Gentiva and made just as much as he did. George wasn't working for two years but probably received workers comp.

Gator

[applesandorange]

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lmao!!!!

[Zingo]

Clearly, the long arm of Walt Disney is leading the cover-up. Disney, with its links to ABC and from there, the greater media world, is covering up what really happened to Caylee to keep the tourist hordes coming to Disneyworld. They are fiendishly suppressing everything that could either make Casey look good (prostitution?) or Orlando look bad (again, prostitution!). It all makes sense now. Oh no, my theory is just nuts, sorry! :D

Funny how Casey begged borrowed and stole to "fund" her "search", and used the funds to buy lingerie. It really sucks to hunt for your missing child without any "support", lol! And that kicky hoodie? All the rage for child hunting these days. As for George not being able to handle her being a prostitute...oh, yeah, the current option is so much better! Nurses make good money. I know one who has 4 unemployed people in her house. She doesn't like it, but she can do it.

Hmmn, why would Casey be continuing to "cover" for the culprits, since Caylee has been found dead? Is she afraid they'll desecrate her body? Maybe she should hurry and bury her then.

My mother-in-law is an ICU nurse, and my brother-in-law is a mooch. I know that nurses make good money. Mooches make good money, too, without lifting a finger.

[Gatordog]

Well, please send along these 10 questions, will ya? I still don't have the answers ... :)

Very good Zingo!

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Gator

[Gatordog]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money.


Thanks for giving me the opportunity to finally use this smiley.

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Gator

[Brainstorm]

OMG. You are in the WRONG place to be suggesting to US to back you on THIS.Okay, I will only speak for myself. HELL NO!!!!!
IF there were a way to send poisin arrows thru this internet, Id sure send her one!!!!!
IMOO!!!!!

[mu8shark]

In Casey's first interview with Detective Melich, she said she was supposed to pickup Caylee the previous day but Caylee wasn't where she was supposed to be, and so Caylee had been missing one day.

Then Casey herself went to the 30 day story. But Casey's friend Kiomarie testified that Casey called her on July 12 asking to borrow $150; and during the conversation Kiomarie heard Caylee say "mommy mommy mommy" to Casey. Casey answered, "Not now honey. I'm on the phone."

So Casey was with Caylee on July 12, and she told Detective Melich she was supposed to pick up Caylee on July 15. I believe Casey had Caylee adopted in an illegal way through her illegal friends on June 16. It was an illegal open adoption where Casey had full access to Caylee but someone else had legal responsibility, hence The Beautiful Life. Casey was free, and she could be with Caylee anytime she wanted to.

Casey speculated to police, "I don't think my mother will ever forgive me for what I've done." That sounds like she was referring to an illegal adoption, not wrapping duct tape all the way around Caylee's head and killing her, because she wouldn't need to speculate, she could be sure her mother would not forgive her for that.

And here is a second witness that says she heard Caylee after Caylee was supposed to have been decomposing in the trunk. Um John Kiomarie has backed off the assertion she heard Caylee in the background as well as Jesse Grund who went to police and recanted it. Also don't you think forensics can tell when that child died? Forensics are much more accurate than a friend saying I think I might have heard her in the background and a simple question if she was adopted out , what was the smell of decomp in the trunk with a hair belonging to Caylee in the trunk with her mtrc dna with a post mortem death band. So if she was adopted out are you claiming she is still alive? That is really absurd since they identified her body. Also she does not tell Detective Melich she is schedule to pick Caylee up on July 15. IT is not in those interviews. If you can produce it show it to me..

[mu8shark]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money. OH Lord I thought you were serious in your theories but when we go from she is an escort supporting the family to she is in the mafia to Caylee was killed by a pedophile gang to she is not dead she was just adopted, now I see you are pulling our legs. Good luck with these theories which do have a certain Disney like quality. I only hope the defense tries to throw all this kind of a baseless stuff against the wall because jurors will not go for it. Did you really send her money? Lord , save it and write a science fiction book or something.

[Justice Denied?]

Here is my thinking if she stormed out that night in a huff she stewed and stewed and got madder and madder overnight. She settled into a determined and calculated rage. I don't think she stormed out and remembered to take take the wtp blanket, the stickers, the horsey and garbage bags and tape and then took her elsewhere. I think she played it cool, came back at some point, left in her little fake "Going to work ploy, waited for George to leave and came back into the house with a very alive Caylee and killed her and rounded up the blanket, the tape, the bag, the sticker, etc, etc. I just don't think when you run out in a huff that night you remember to take all that stuff. Not one friend says she stayed with them on the night of the 15th, no boyfriends, no hotel check in, not Lee, nothing and I can't imagine Casey spending the night in her car. Someone would have come forward to contradict this story and say"Yeah Casey stayed with me that night. George is wrong. " Nobody did and her friends have been pretty forthcoming. Just my thinking.

No proof that she spent the night anywhere that night. Are we ABSOLUTELY sure she left the house? Where did that info come from?

[mu8shark]

Oh Mu...scientists are just witch doctors in white coats, their chicken feet exchanged for centrifuges...oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, wadda wadda bing bang... Remember what Cindy said, Science is just science , it is not 100 per cent. Sounds like that!

[mu8shark]

No proof that she spent the night anywhere that night. Are we ABSOLUTELY sure she left the house? Where did that info come from? Well some are saying nobody but the neighbors mentioned the fight and the fact that she left but I know Lee did in his interview. I also am going to check out Georges interviews. I can't look at Cindys because I don't have sound and none of hers have transcripts but... I think some of the family was honest about the fight. I just have to reread as it has been a while.

[Justice Denied?]

[FONT="Century Gothic"]You are right. I was hoping to keep it simple: the evil pedophiles did it. That way Casey is not killed for a crime I don’t think she committed.

I don’t think evil pedophiles did it, but we have this big fact that Casey suddenly had no money in the 30 days she was trying to get Caylee back.

Maybe she had always been mooching off her parents, and since she hadn’t seen them in 30 days, therefore she had no money. If so, couldn’t she just go back to her parent’s house and say, “High guys, been missing you.” And then leave with some more money, which they normally give her?

I can’t imagine Casey blatantly asking her parents for money. Maybe she lives with them, maybe she eats their food, maybe they buy things for Caylee, but for her to ever say, “Give me some cash” seems outrageous.

And if she was mooching off boyfriends, she wouldn’t have any petty cash problems, since she was cooking, cleaning, and sleeping with them.

Strangely, Casey didn’t seem to be asking her boyfriends for spending money. There had to be another source, which suddenly ran out when she was in a conflict with someone over Caylee.

Now all we have to do is find out where her money was coming from, because those same people cut off her money when there was a conflict for 30 days over Caylee. They had some reason to be conflicted with Casey over Caylee, a big enough reason to cut off her money.

When Casey stormed out of the house with Caylee on June 15 or 16, I think that was when she decided to take up someone's offer to adopt Caylee in an illegal open adoption, getting her mother out of her life, but making no money from the adoption.

FONT]She told police, "I was willing to provide Caylee with another home."[/

Can you please provide a link for this? TIA

[John Cauthen]

Of course she couldn't go walking back into the home and asking for money or anything BECAUSE SHE KILLED CAYLEE. She knew if she went home without Caylee her parents would be all over that.

Okay and then the adopted parents just decide hey we don't want the kid anymore let's kill her and put her somewhere near Casey's house. Let's put all this evidence in the trunk of Casey's car. Let's jump through a window to get a toy horse, blanket and heart sticker. Yeah your theory makes sense to me :rolleyes:

Those are the best questions. I did answer one of them, but it made the post too long so I deleted it. And this is the advantage of an Internet defense, or prosecution. You can stop and go back over stuff easily. It's not a one-time presentation.

Casey could have said to her parents that Caylee was with the nanny and gotten the money she desperately needed. But it doesn't look like Casey mooched off of anyone because she didn't even mooch off her boyfriends.

The adoptive parents wouldn't have allowed Caylee to be murdered. That question opens the biggest can of worms.

On CNN there was a little girl at the Caylee memorial. I'll just quote from the letter I wrote to Casey:

The people who want to frame you are very powerful, and they are evil. The bones just appeared out of nowhere. But I don’t believe those bones are Caylee, because a little girl who looked exactly like Caylee was on CNN in HD. They showed her at the Caylee Memorial. CNN even said the little girl looked exactly like Caylee. In crystal clear HD, the little girl said, “That’s me!” She ran into the memorial and picked up one of the stuffed animals like it was her own, held it over her head, smiled, and then placed it back where it was. She looked exactly like Caylee.

If you only have someone who is trustworthy make sure that someone checks the DNA of the bones, it may not be Caylee. CNN first said authorities checked the DNA from a tooth found in the bag. A tooth could be pulled from a live Caylee and put in the bag.


And the loudest thing people in authority are saying right now is bury Caylee, bury Caylee. They keep repeating that. The DNA in the bones might not be her, and I wouldn't trust a doctor who helped get O.J. off. The same doctor shows up in Casey's dream team? And her PR man is a felon? Her lawyer is caught making deals for hosting TV shows? So as you follow the breadcrumbs, the plot goes to the highest levels: Nancy Grace, CNN, the federal agency for missing and exploited children, and a bunch of spineless lackeys on Casey's defense team.

Ann Coulter said, "Children of adoptive parents do better on the whole than children with their natural parents." She also mentioned strippers in the same camera shot, on Fox News. That means if they could only take children away from mothers like Casey, the world would be better off. I think that is the real motive.

They keep saying to Casey: just admit you murdered Caylee. They don't want to kill Casey, they already have all they want. They can get laws passed to take children away from all mothers like Casey. But Casey fights back and I honestly don't think she knows entirely what is going on.

This case has been so successful in smearing Casey, they have the confidence to reopen the JonBenet case and use the same tactics and forces they have successfully used against Casey.

In the JonBenet case, anyone could see John Mark Karr's handwriting was an exact match to the ransom note, but authorities ignored it.

They still didn't manage to convict the Ramseys, and then pass laws that included the idea, if you dress up you daughter in sexy clothes the government can take her away from you, and have her adopted where she will do better. The constant pressure from the press, Nancy Grace every night is about passing laws that allow the government to take children away from their parents. With the success they have had with Caylee Anthony, the same people are reopening the JonBenet case so they will have even more reason to pass strict laws determining how parents raise their children.

But we find persistent inconsistencies in the evidence, like why did someone cut off Casey's money? Let's closely examine where the money was coming from.

And if the plot goes that high, of course there will be baby blankets, toy horses, duct tape, little girls thrown away in garbage bags, and very sophisticated reasons to believe Caylee is dead, but the Chloroform was a very pure form of Chloroform, which could only come from official government laboratories, not home made.

And no one has ever said the hair in the trunk had Caylee's DNA. Wouldn't they say that if it did?

[Brainstorm]

Your posts may lure some old souls lurking and might get a conversation BUT I am stepping back, as I do, when I feel evil vibes.Lay with dogs and you come up with fleas OR much worse,IMOO.

[One2Snoop]

Your posts may lure some old souls lurking and might get a conversation BUT I am stepping back, as I do, when I feel evil vibes.Lay with dogs and you come up with fleas OR much worse,IMOO.

LMAO so true brain. :beer: Don't these posts remind you of someone that used to post in the Grinstead forum - that someone who had multiple hats? :hat: :hat: :hat: :hat: :hat: :hat: :hat: :hat: :hat: Naaahh it can't be.

[Justice Denied?]

OMG. You are in the WRONG place to be suggesting to US to back you on THIS.Okay, I will only speak for myself. HELL NO!!!!!
IF there were a way to send poisin arrows thru this internet, Id sure send her one!!!!!
IMOO!!!!!

Will theese do?

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[One2Snoop]

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[mu8shark]

Your posts may lure some old souls lurking and might get a conversation BUT I am stepping back, as I do, when I feel evil vibes.Lay with dogs and you come up with fleas OR much worse,IMOO. I am totally in for a good argument if it makes sense and is based on facts or evidence. You can always argue interpretation of the evidence, but can't really argue evidence against nonevidence. You know I like to argue but only with reason and logic. This is assuming facts not in evidence LOL, in fact this is assuming facts in a fairy tale. LOL. I agree and won't be lured as well.

[John Cauthen]

Baez originally said it was a sure thing Casey would be acquitted.

Now he is arguing against police forensics, the weakest defense.

If Casey was working in an illegal sex job, and then after her employers helped Casey get Caylee adopted, they disappear with her; all Jose Baez has to do is prove she was working for those kinds of people. He's got reasonable doubt if he merely proves who she's working for.

It made sense not to tell who had Caylee, since they might kill her. But now that she's dead, he should have press conference after press conference telling the story, and then show proof at the trial that she really was working for people who would, and did take and exploit children.

The car, for example, was in someone else's hands just before it showed up at Amscot with a decomposition smell in it. Casey was across town from her car.

Baez should be doing exactly what I am doing, because this is the only sure defense: to prove she was working with people who would take children.

And if she was, the fact that they cut off her money when she was trying to get Caylee unadopted? But he's not doing that. He's mostly arguing that the police got it wrong. The police don't get it wrong, and that is the weakest defense.

So why is Baez putting up such a weak defense when he previously said acquittal was a sure thing?

I came up with this story by piecing together evidence, and given everything they have against Casey, my story trumps it. Those kinds of people would fake a death by putting a corpse in the trunk while Casey was not with her car, and it's known she wasn't. They would use duct tape wrapped all the way around the head. They would cause bodies to mysteriously appear. Proving that she was working for those kinds of people is the only thing that would foster reasonable doubt given the evidence against her.

But this story needs to be laid out now, not at trial. So maybe Baez has become one of the bad guys.

I don't think Caylee is dead. I would simply check the DNA of the bones; but since Baez thinks she's dead, he needs to be laying out her sure defense now, especially if it's anything like my story. What other sure defense is possible?

[mu8shark]

Baez originally said it was a sure thing Casey would be acquitted.

Now he is arguing against police forensics, the weakest defense possible.

If Casey was working in an illegal sex job, then after her employers helped Casey get Caylee adopted, they disappear with her; all Jose Baez has to do is prove she was working for those kinds of people. He's got reasonable doubt if he merely proves who she's working for.

It made sense not to tell who had Caylee, since they might kill her. But now that she's dead, he should have press conference after press conference telling the story, and then show proof at the trial that she really was working for people who would, and who did take and exploit children.

The car, for example, was in someone else's hands just before it showed up at Amscot with a decomposition smell in it. Casey was across town from her car.

Baez should be doing exactly what I am doing, because this is the only sure defense: to prove she was working with people who would take children.

And if she was, the fact that they cut off her money when she was trying to get Caylee unadopted? But he's not doing that. He's mostly arguing that the police got it wrong. The police don't get it wrong, and that is the weakest defense.

So why is Baez putting up such a weak defense when he previously said acquittal was a sure thing?

I came up with this story by piecing together evidence, and given everything they have against Casey, my story trumps it. Those kinds of people would fake a death by putting a corpse in the trunk while Casey was not with her car, and it's known she wasn't. They would use duct tape wrapped all the way around the head. They would cause bodies to mysteriously appear. Proving that she was working for those kinds of people is the only thing that would foster reasonable doubt given the evidence against her.

But this story needs to be laid out now, not at trial. So maybe Baez has become one of the bad guys.

I don't think Caylee is dead. I would simply check the DNA of the bones; but since Baez thinks she's dead, he needs to be laying out her sure defense now, especially if it's anything like my story.

What other sure defense is possible?It could be that they are not the bones of little Caylee but the alien bones of a child from planet Mongo. How does this sound for the defense.? The Mongians I understand are really good at falsifying human dna. Pfffttt......... How come you know so much about how these kinds of people in pedophilia work? I apologize to serious posters I could not resist this post

[John Cauthen]

I know because I studied the JonBenet case, where the authorities did all the same things. Check a comparison between JMK's handwriting and the ransom note. These child protection advocates seem to utilize people like JMK and the sex industry. Sen Mark Foley chaired the Missing and Exploited Children Committee, and then we find out he was exploiting children.

[STLcardfan]

Those are the best questions. I did answer one of them, but it made the post too long so I deleted it. And this is the advantage of an Internet defense, or prosecution. You can stop and go back over stuff easily. It's not a one-time presentation.

Casey could have said to her parents that Caylee was with the nanny and gotten the money she desperately needed. But it doesn't look like Casey mooched off of anyone because she didn't even mooch off her boyfriends.

The adoptive parents wouldn't have allowed Caylee to be murdered. That question opens the biggest can of worms.

On CNN there was a little girl at the Caylee memorial. I'll just quote from the letter I wrote to Casey:

The people who want to frame you are very powerful, and they are evil. The bones just appeared out of nowhere. But I don’t believe those bones are Caylee, because a little girl who looked exactly like Caylee was on CNN in HD. They showed her at the Caylee Memorial. CNN even said the little girl looked exactly like Caylee. In crystal clear HD, the little girl said, “That’s me!” She ran into the memorial and picked up one of the stuffed animals like it was her own, held it over her head, smiled, and then placed it back where it was. She looked exactly like Caylee.

If you only have someone who is trustworthy make sure that someone checks the DNA of the bones, it may not be Caylee. CNN first said authorities checked the DNA from a tooth found in the bag. A tooth could be pulled from a live Caylee and put in the bag.


And the loudest thing people in authority are saying right now is bury Caylee, bury Caylee. They keep repeating that. The DNA in the bones might not be her, and I wouldn't trust a doctor who helped get O.J. off. The same doctor shows up in Casey's dream team? And her PR man is a felon? Her lawyer is caught making deals for hosting TV shows? So as you follow the breadcrumbs, the plot goes to the highest levels: Nancy Grace, CNN, the federal agency for missing and exploited children, and a bunch of spineless lackeys on Casey's defense team.

Ann Coulter said, "Children of adoptive parents do better on the whole than children with their natural parents." She also mentioned strippers in the same camera shot, on Fox News. That means if they could only take children away from mothers like Casey, the world would be better off. I think that is the real motive.

They keep saying to Casey: just admit you murdered Caylee. They don't want to kill Casey, they already have all they want. They can get laws passed to take children away from all mothers like Casey. But Casey fights back and I honestly don't think she knows entirely what is going on.

This case has been so successful in smearing Casey, they have the confidence to reopen the JonBenet case and use the same tactics and forces they have successfully used against Casey.

In the JonBenet case, anyone could see John Mark Karr's handwriting was an exact match to the ransom note, but authorities ignored it.

They still didn't manage to convict the Ramseys, and then pass laws that included the idea, if you dress up you daughter in sexy clothes the government can take her away from you, and have her adopted where she will do better. The constant pressure from the press, Nancy Grace every night is about passing laws that allow the government to take children away from their parents. With the success they have had with Caylee Anthony, the same people are reopening the JonBenet case so they will have even more reason to pass strict laws determining how parents raise their children.

But we find persistent inconsistencies in the evidence, like why did someone cut off Casey's money? Let's closely examine where the money was coming from.

And if the plot goes that high, of course there will be baby blankets, toy horses, duct tape, little girls thrown away in garbage bags, and very sophisticated reasons to believe Caylee is dead, but the Chloroform was a very pure form of Chloroform, which could only come from official government laboratories, not home made.

And no one has ever said the hair in the trunk had Caylee's DNA. Wouldn't they say that if it did?

don't bogart that joint dude LMAO what planet are you living on. Her money was coming from stealing her friends checks and ID's, and most likly selling her sleezy self. Damn I could use some of what ever your on especially when I read crap like this. Go back to Jose and tell hime its not floating it must be chit!!!!!!!!!!!!:punch::tongue:

[John Cauthen]

“I have been curious about why Karr, despite allegations he made a false confession, continues to insist upon his involvement after being released on the DNA mismatch, said InvestiGraphics examiner Linda A.D. Arnold, “now I have a better understanding as the results pointing to him being the author of the ransom note are stronger than I ever could have imagined.”

Shortly after Karr’s arrest in 2006, an employment application and a high school year book entry written by Karr years before surfaced. Several professional handwriting examiners reviewed those documents with results in line with Arnold’s findings. The newly discovered handwriting samples are circulating independently to some handwriting experts who had made public opinions in 2006. Arnold is the first to come forth publicly with a final opinion of the combined exemplars set.

For this analysis, Arnold, from a confidential informant, received several documents known to have been written by Karr prior to and after the 1996 murder. When comparing the ransom note to all the samples now available, Arnold’s detailed report points to both similarities and differences critical to arrive at a credible opinion. The opinion summarizes that the evidence is remarkable, individualized and sufficient to make an opinion. With the abundance of exemplars, Arnold’s findings demonstrate no fundamental differences that eliminate Karr. Copies of the report and opinion are available on a need to know basis upon written request to InvestiGraphics.

“Based upon my experience with law enforcement and obligation to our justice system, I am known to be extremely conservative in my opinions,” said Arnold, “I am all about truth and justice. My opinion that it is highly probable that Karr wrote the ransom note is as conservative as I can get.”

[Justice Denied?]

Well some are saying nobody but the neighbors mentioned the fight and the fact that she left but I know Lee did in his interview. I also am going to check out Georges interviews. I can't look at Cindys because I don't have sound and none of hers have transcripts but... I think some of the family was honest about the fight. I just have to reread as it has been a while.

I thought Lee said she left. Was he actually there at the time? I was not aware the neighbors said she left. Missed that one.

[STLcardfan]

Hey CardFan, glad you made it! and, uh, there isn't enough ganja in all the islands to explain this, mon! Nancy Grace is The Powers That Be or maybe just the Big Bad...

:seeya:

couldn't miss a good laugh they are so few and far between in this case. :D

[STLcardfan]

“I have been curious about why Karr, despite allegations he made a false confession, continues to insist upon his involvement after being released on the DNA mismatch, said InvestiGraphics examiner Linda A.D. Arnold, “now I have a better understanding as the results pointing to him being the author of the ransom note are stronger than I ever could have imagined.”

Shortly after Karr’s arrest in 2006, an employment application and a high school year book entry written by Karr years before surfaced. Several professional handwriting examiners reviewed those documents with results in line with Arnold’s findings. The newly discovered handwriting samples are circulating independently to some handwriting experts who had made public opinions in 2006. Arnold is the first to come forth publicly with a final opinion of the combined exemplars set.

For this analysis, Arnold, from a confidential informant, received several documents known to have been written by Karr prior to and after the 1996 murder. When comparing the ransom note to all the samples now available, Arnold’s detailed report points to both similarities and differences critical to arrive at a credible opinion. The opinion summarizes that the evidence is remarkable, individualized and sufficient to make an opinion. With the abundance of exemplars, Arnold’s findings demonstrate no fundamental differences that eliminate Karr. Copies of the report and opinion are available on a need to know basis upon written request to InvestiGraphics.

“Based upon my experience with law enforcement and obligation to our justice system, I am known to be extremely conservative in my opinions,” said Arnold, “I am all about truth and justice. My opinion that it is highly probable that Karr wrote the ransom note is as conservative as I can get.”

let me point out a few flaws

1. confidential informant = liars with motives for self protection or monetary gain they never hold water with me as they are usually criminals

2. on a need to know basis = they don't exist otherwise they would be avaiable

3. don't believe everything you read on the net lots of nut jobs out there of course you already are familar with that

:D :chicken:

[John Cauthen]

The main conflict, which was known by Casey's friends like Kiomarie and Jesse, was whether to have Caylee adopted. Komarie mentioned Casey's thoughts about adoption prominently in her interview with police. Casey's mother was against it, but when Casey and her parents had a major argument on June 16, Casey probably decided to go out and have Caylee adopted as Jesse was pressuring her to do.

The authorities and TV are doing everything they can to make Jesse a saint, when normal people aren't even thinking about Jesse. But he was actually the one who caused all of this to happen: an adoption.

Jesse's brother, or some close relative worked for the police. Where? In Missing and Exploited Children. That is where the connection was made from Casey to the Missing and Exploited Children Agency, as his brother probably talked about Jesse wanting to have Caylee adopted, and how Casey lived her life, which made her a perfect candidate for the next JonBenet style news debacle to get people worked up about protecting children.

All you need is to look at the ransom note and at John Mark Karr's handwriting. He came in and then she was dead. How could they miss that? He said he didn't kill her, but he felt responsible for her death.

[STLcardfan]

The main conflict, which was known by Casey's friends like Kiomarie and Jesse, was whether to have Caylee adopted. Komarie mentioned Casey's thoughts about adoption prominently in her interview with police. Casey's mother was against it, but when Casey and her parents had a major argument on June 16, Casey probably decided to go out and have Caylee adopted as Jesse was pressuring her to do.

The authorities and TV are doing everything they can to make Jesse a saint, when normal people aren't even thinking about Jesse. But he was actually the one who caused all of this to happen: an adoption.

Jesse's brother, or some close relative worked for the police. Where? In Missing and Exploited Children. That is where the connection was made from Casey to the Missing and Exploited Children Agency, as his brother probably talked about Jesse wanting to have Caylee adopted, and how Casey lived her life, which made her a perfect candidate for the next JonBenet style news debacle to get people worked up about protecting children.

All you need is look at the ransom note and at John Mark Karr's handwriting in other documents. He came in and killed her. How could they miss that?



pssst this is about Caylee in Fl not JBR in CO your mixing up your cases. One has nothing to do with the other. Personlly I think you just have a thing for Casey like the long line of other losers that fell for her lies. She seems to be quite the charmer. doesn't make her innocent just casue you wish it so. but keep trying its clear you have nothing else to do.:rolleyes:

[mu8shark]

I thought Lee said she left. Was he actually there at the time? I was not aware the neighbors said she left. Missed that one.No I actually agree with you. Neigbors probably did not report her leaving and Lee was not there so either Cindy or George was the source for the she left in a huff story unless Casey just told Lee and he passed it on. Which is why I totally think that maybe if Cindy was trying to hide the fact they had a fight, George probably told the police the truth. I agree neighbors could not have been the source for that.

[One2Snoop]

pssst this is about Caylee in Fl not JBR in CO your mixing up your cases. One has nothing to do with the other. Personlly I think you just have a thing for Casey like the long line of other losers that fell for her lies. She seems to be quite the charmer. doesn't make her innocent just casue you wish it so. but keep trying its clear you have nothing else to do.:rolleyes:

LMAO! ITA! :beer:

(Lodi is that you? :eek: )

[Justice Denied?]

I am totally in for a good argument if it makes sense and is based on facts or evidence. You can always argue interpretation of the evidence, but can't really argue evidence against nonevidence. You know I like to argue but only with reason and logic. This is assuming facts not in evidence LOL, in fact this is assuming facts in a fairy tale. LOL. I agree and won't be lured as well.

Just one more lost soul in "Caseyland".

[Justice Denied?]

No I actually agree with you. Neigbors probably did not report her leaving and Lee was not there so either Cindy or George was the source for the she left in a huff story unless Casey just told Lee and he passed it on. Which is why I totally think that maybe if Cindy was trying to hide the fact they had a fight, George probably told the police the truth. I agree neighbors could not have been the source for that.

The neighbors heard the fight. Maybe they looked out the window and saw the car leaving. They saw it backed into the garage. I would like to know for certain she left that night.

[John Cauthen]

For me, it's not about Casey. For me it's mostly about the similarities between this case and the Ramsey case, and they reopened the Ramsey case yesterday, believing this time they can successfully blame the Ramseys since they have done so well blaming Casey. But what about the handwriting on the ransom note? What about the fact that someone cut Casey's money off when she was trying to get Caylee back?

Who was she working for?

And the argument caused Casey to go ahead with the adoption, getting her critical mother off her back.

[mu8shark]

For me, it's not about Casey. For me it's mostly about the similarities between this case and the Ramsey case, and they reopened the Ramsey case yesterday, believing this time they can successfully blame the Ramseys since they have done so well blaming Casey. But what about the handwriting on the ransom note? What about the fact that someone cut Casey's money off when she was trying to get Caylee back?

Who was she working for?

And the argument caused Casey to go ahead with the adoption, getting her critical mother off her back.
It must somewhat about Casey if you sent her 50.00 and asked her to start a website with you. This is just a guess but if you sent Casey money are you from Suckerville PA?

[John Cauthen]

I included $50 so she would read my letter.

[One2Snoop]

For me, it's not about Casey. For me it's mostly about the similarities between this case and the Ramsey case, and they reopened the Ramsey case yesterday, believing this time they can successfully blame the Ramseys since they have done so well blaming Casey. But what about the handwriting on the ransom note? What about the fact that someone cut Casey's money off when she was trying to get Caylee back?

Who was she working for?

And the argument caused Casey to go ahead with the adoption, getting her critical mother off her back.

I say you're the liar. How about you post a few links proving your outrageous claims? Ron why don't you go play somewhere else. :no: What the hell is wrong with you? Don't answer that - You're a sick old B A S T A R D whom I truly believe belongs in the psych ward on some remote island without internet access. You aren't the only one who knows how to do internet searches loser.

Where's my Troll spray?

[STLcardfan]

I included $50 so she would read my letter.

BOMBSHELL as NG would say she has nothing else to do but read letters bozo:shrug:

[mu8shark]

No one cut off what didn't exist, ie Casey's money. She had no money. Even when she stole she shopped at Target and used coupons. Not only did she not have money, the people she stole from had no money. On the same line, she was working for no one. Even flat on her back, it would be too much work. Can we say lazy? She wouldn't even give her boyfriend nookie for 3 weeks in a row.

And let's face it, if there were a vast heartless conspiracy that was killing children to make a social change, would not John Mark Carr be long dead? Please. They're going to leave witnesses and culprits running around. Please.

And, yeah, having the baby disappear through "adoption" would really get the critical mother off her back. Good plan there, Casey! How's that working out for you? (Why would the vast conspiracy have to wait for her to decide? Could They not just take her and get everything going just as it has without her help? Please.)

Pretty lame conspiracy ya got there, John. Sounds like Nancy better keep her day job. Speaking of conspiracies,know why I rarely if ever believe in them , because if two people know a secret one of them can't shut their f ing mouth up, someone always tells!. The other thing about being in a conspiracy is that in order to be part of one most people have to benefit from it, right? I mean, they get money, they get rid of someone they all hate, they get to have a love affair, something, human nature being what it is, conspiracies especially in true crime are rare and far between , because people always tell and they won't take risks that will not benefit them. And thirdly I have noticed in life and in trials when people are trying to dispute a ton of facts and circumstances they cop out by saying "It's a conspiracy, everyone but me or the defendant is lying. So to make my long story short I agree with your post. yeah adopting that child out sure would get Cindy off her back, pfftttt!!!! Riiiight? I agree not even Casey thinks that would solve her problems. .

[mu8shark]

BOMBSHELL as NG would say she has nothing else to do but read letters bozo:shrug:Bombshell STL that made me laugh out loud.!!

[Zingo]

For all anyone knows she stormed dramatically out and then climbed back into her room through the window. She looks like the kind of girl who has window callouses on her shins...

Good one, Java.

Reminds me of a line or two from Beatles' Abbey Road:

"She came in through the bathroom window ... "

"She could steal, but she could not rob ... "

[One2Snoop]

I know because I studied the JonBenet case, where the authorities did all the same things. Check a comparison between JMK's handwriting and the ransom note. These child protection advocates seem to utilize people like JMK and the sex industry. Sen Mark Foley chaired the Missing and Exploited Children Committee, and then we find out he was exploiting children.

No Schitt? Let me introduce you to Jack Schitt...

For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt? We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt!' Well, thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an intellectual way.

Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N. Schitt, Inc. They had one son, Jack.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religious couple produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt.

Against her parents' objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high school dropout. After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt Sherlock.

Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt, and they produced a son with a rather nervous disposition named Chicken Schitt. Two of the other six children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the
Schitt-Happens nuptials. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Horse.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt,' you can correct them.


Sincerely,
Crock O. Schitt

:seeya:

[One2Snoop]

Now that I'm done expressing myself can we get back to Zingo's 10 questions please...

Sorry about that Zingo. :rose:

Hi, I'm new here. I have been fascinated with this case, but I am not much into downloading legal documents and video. All of my knowledge of the case comes from watching NG/GVS, etc. (and perusing message boards like this one).

So, I have some lingering questions that maybe some of you web detectives can answer from your research:

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?)

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work?

3. Where was Caylee during the day?

4. Where was Caylee at night?

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?)

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative).

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder?

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales?

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them?

10. When does the state think Caylee actually died? (when do you think?

[Zingo]

No Schitt? Let me introduce you to Jack Schitt...

For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt? We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt!' Well, thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an intellectual way.

Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N. Schitt, Inc. They had one son, Jack.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religious couple produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt.

Against her parents' objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high school dropout. After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt Sherlock.

Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt, and they produced a son with a rather nervous disposition named Chicken Schitt. Two of the other six children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the
Schitt-Happens nuptials. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Horse.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt,' you can correct them.


Sincerely,
Crock O. Schitt

:seeya:

OMGosh ... that is funny Schitt, One2 !!! :D

[Amy]

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.

What employer? Some ficitional employer other than her fictional Universal employer? I would say, she is really as irresponsible a person as they all say.

[Amy]

Since it is kind of frowned upon to post other message boards posters posts I will just post the url where someone else refers to this fake deposit slip from one of the interviews. I knew I remembered that although I have to be honest I am now wondering if the amount was 4,000 or 1400.oo but will check that. Anyways other poster read this as well. http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/casey-anthony-update-7-november/., About halfway through post talking about fake deposit slip

I remember reading about the fake deposit in one of George's interviews (either read it in the LE one, or heard it in the FBI one.) Nothing bounced because nothing was deposited, just a fake slip to convince her parents she had deposited some $$$. (I also don't remember the amount.)

[Amy]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

Casey wasn't working anywhere. Casey got her money by stealing. I guess "stealing" would be the answer of WHAT kind of work she did. She probably got a meal, or good snacks, drinks and the cover charge paid in return for having sex with the fellow who footed the bill for the night. People who don't look beyond the moment don't think about things like that. Besides, she was pretty good @ finding a place to sleep for the night, and when she needed MONEY for something, there were her mom's charge cards, she got $$ from the grandparents @ least once. Money from Caylee's savings account and piggy bank, and stolen from Amy. I believe she would have continued right along those lines, mooching as much as she could, stealing some money for whatever else she needed/wanted.

Cindy worked as a nurse. That has been all over the media. Do you think $50,000 in debt is UNUSUAL? You don't listen to Dave Ramsey, I guess, where people have that much and more, and many with no more income than what the A's probably had. I never read anything about Cindy's income, but nurses in FL make some pretty serious bucks---and if they didn't have to worry about repaying Casey's thefts, or dealing with what she stole from THEM, they probably had a comfortable NORMAL life as far as finances go. Don't know if the $50,000 includes George's "mistake." I don't remember reading what George's income was, but he was on disability part of the time. For a year when he might have been employeed the whole year, he probably made more than the $15,000 you cite.

[Amy]

There are people who are into child exploitation; who are worse than the Mafia, and those people would take and kill a little girl.

All her lawyers have to do is prove Casey was connected with those kinds of people, and there, they have established reasonable doubt.

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CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!
CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.
CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.
THATS IT!"
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All of that may be physically and financially impossible without monetary contributions from Casey. Cindy may not have been satisfied that her contributions were enough. Casey may not have been working very hard, but she could have been working for sleazy people, putting the money in her mother's account. The entire truth may have been hidden from George, who couldn't take it.

A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to the fact that she might have been connected with people who also exploit children. We don't know that yet, and no one is talking. Casey admits she is hiding the truth.

Maybe they think they can spring that story cold at trial, which they can't. If it's true, they need to start now, and prove she was working for such people, who cut off her funds when she was looking for Caylee, so that Casey begged, borrowed, and stole money at one point.

Remember this happened around DisneyWorld, which has to be the epicenter of people who like to exploit children.

And that angle makes this story even bigger and more dramatic.

And the fact that she was stealing from her brother, his friend, the grandparents and her parents LONG before Caylee was missing? Stealing from Amy happened after Caylee was murdered, but stealing from the others started long before that (especially from her parents, including credit card use.) No one had to cut her funds off while she was "looking for Caylee in all the wrong places" because she had no funds to cut off. I guess the closest to having her funds cut off was her grandmother who didn't seem to be of the mind to just let it go, like her mom and dad seemed to just let her keep stealing from them via credit cards.

[One2Snoop]

Amy check under John Cauthen's name.....

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[Amy]

Jesse said he heard Caylee in the background during a phone conversation on June 24. The decomposition smell was first discovered on June 24. That means Caylee’s voice was heard over the phone while she was in a state of decomposition in the trunk.

One of those two things is not true. Due to tremendous pressure to stick with the official story, Jesse recanted that he heard Caylee over the phone. Okay, but if he purposefully lied about hearing Caylee, was he throwing Casey an alibi? That would have meant he knew about a murder. If he did, then he would probably become the state’s star witness who would now say he knew Casey murdered Caylee.

If he didn’t know exactly what day a murder happened, then he had no reason to lie about hearing Caylee on June 24. That was just an observation he told police.

That innocent observation makes the whole decomposition smell in the trunk look like a sophisticated setup to frame Casey. And remember, I say someone has already blocked payment on a $4000 check when she was trying for 30 days to get Caylee back.

The most normal way to get a realistic deposit slip but not have $4000 in the bank is to deposit a check in the bank, believing it’s good, then have someone block payment on it.

Someone blocked payment on a check and someone may have planted damning evidence in the trunk, but Jesse said he heard Caylee over the phone on June 24 and he had no reason to lie unless he knew about a murder. In that case he would be saying today that he knew about the murder.

Those kinds of inconsistencies pop up all over the place in this case.

As far as proving what Casey was doing, there is no need to speculate, just examine Cindy's bank and credit card records for unexplained money. And George would have been kept in the dark. We see he can't take the truth.

If my theory is wild, Cindy won't have any extra money that didn't come from nursing.

It seems the bank account WAS scrutinized by the bank and LE and THERE WAS NO CHECK DEPOSITED. It might be a "normal" thing to deposit the check and stop payment, etc, but Casey didn't have access to a checkbook with which to do this. And, "normal" isn't a word I would use much in relation to Casey, anyway.

I think, if LE had found "extra money" in Cindy's account, that would have been brought up in the interviews with her and/or George. LE would have confronted Cindy about it, IMO.

[Amy]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money.

LOL. Inmates don't have access to websites, internet. They have to go thru other people to do things internet for them. I don't know, maybe Jose would be interested? Well, not likely, cuz the FBI could get info from whatever hard drive they used to find what was said by all parties. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

LOL. Inmates don't have access to websites, internet. They have to go thru other people to do things internet for them. I don't know, maybe Jose would be interested? Well, not likely, cuz the FBI could get info from whatever hard drive they used to find what was said by all parties. :seeya:

He wouldn't believe you anyway. Thanks for trying though. :seeya:

[Amy]

If Casey stole, why didn't she just mooch off her boyfriends? We can see she didn't do that when she had the opportunities and the need to.

No one has asked her questions who totally supported her, and who had good logical reasons supported by evidence why she didn't do it.

She DID mooch off her boyfriends. Didn't have to put out money on a single night @ a hotel. Probably had the cover charge, drinks and whatever else bought @ the club paid for by whatever fellow she was with for the night.

You might have good, logical reasons, but no evidence why she didn't do it. All the evidence seems to go against her.

[One2Snoop]

*sigh* NOW what am I gonna do for fun today?

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[Amy]

Your posts may lure some old souls lurking and might get a conversation BUT I am stepping back, as I do, when I feel evil vibes.Lay with dogs and you come up with fleas OR much worse,IMOO.

The guy didn't seem to be all that...different? altho he was spouting some whacky things, but post 88 says pretty clearly to me---someone is missing a freakin' TACO, and it isn't any of the regular posters!!!!!

[Amy]

Baez originally said it was a sure thing Casey would be acquitted.

Now he is arguing against police forensics, the weakest defense.

If Casey was working in an illegal sex job, and then after her employers helped Casey get Caylee adopted, they disappear with her; all Jose Baez has to do is prove she was working for those kinds of people. He's got reasonable doubt if he merely proves who she's working for.

It made sense not to tell who had Caylee, since they might kill her. But now that she's dead, he should have press conference after press conference telling the story, and then show proof at the trial that she really was working for people who would, and did take and exploit children.

The car, for example, was in someone else's hands just before it showed up at Amscot with a decomposition smell in it. Casey was across town from her car.

Baez should be doing exactly what I am doing, because this is the only sure defense: to prove she was working with people who would take children.

And if she was, the fact that they cut off her money when she was trying to get Caylee unadopted? But he's not doing that. He's mostly arguing that the police got it wrong. The police don't get it wrong, and that is the weakest defense.

So why is Baez putting up such a weak defense when he previously said acquittal was a sure thing?

I came up with this story by piecing together evidence, and given everything they have against Casey, my story trumps it. Those kinds of people would fake a death by putting a corpse in the trunk while Casey was not with her car, and it's known she wasn't. They would use duct tape wrapped all the way around the head. They would cause bodies to mysteriously appear. Proving that she was working for those kinds of people is the only thing that would foster reasonable doubt given the evidence against her.

But this story needs to be laid out now, not at trial. So maybe Baez has become one of the bad guys.

I don't think Caylee is dead. I would simply check the DNA of the bones; but since Baez thinks she's dead, he needs to be laying out her sure defense now, especially if it's anything like my story. What other sure defense is possible?

Well, now, wouldn't it just be so simple for Casey to say to the judge (a good time would be when she is at hearing where she is court ordered to be) that she wants a different lawyer?

The reason, of course, that Baez doesn't out the people she was working for it--because she wasn't working for anyone--except herself, of course, stealing money when she wanted something, or mooching off her friends.

The DNA of the bones HAS been checked. And double checked by the defense. There IS no defense, because she did murder her own baby.

[Amy]

I know because I studied the JonBenet case, where the authorities did all the same things. Check a comparison between JMK's handwriting and the ransom note. These child protection advocates seem to utilize people like JMK and the sex industry. Sen Mark Foley chaired the Missing and Exploited Children Committee, and then we find out he was exploiting children.

You seem to be the only handwriting expert that identifies JMK's handwriting to the ransom note.

[Amy]

I thought Lee said she left. Was he actually there at the time? I was not aware the neighbors said she left. Missed that one.

My take is that Lee was not there. It seems he got his info from Casey? The only thing I remember the neighbor saying is there was a loud argument, I never heard the neighbor saw or said that she left.

[Amy]

The main conflict, which was known by Casey's friends like Kiomarie and Jesse, was whether to have Caylee adopted. Komarie mentioned Casey's thoughts about adoption prominently in her interview with police. Casey's mother was against it, but when Casey and her parents had a major argument on June 16, Casey probably decided to go out and have Caylee adopted as Jesse was pressuring her to do.

The authorities and TV are doing everything they can to make Jesse a saint, when normal people aren't even thinking about Jesse. But he was actually the one who caused all of this to happen: an adoption.

Jesse's brother, or some close relative worked for the police. Where? In Missing and Exploited Children. That is where the connection was made from Casey to the Missing and Exploited Children Agency, as his brother probably talked about Jesse wanting to have Caylee adopted, and how Casey lived her life, which made her a perfect candidate for the next JonBenet style news debacle to get people worked up about protecting children.

All you need is to look at the ransom note and at John Mark Karr's handwriting. He came in and then she was dead. How could they miss that? He said he didn't kill her, but he felt responsible for her death.

I'd appreciate the link to this info. I try to keep up, but there are some things I surely have missed. This would be some interesting info, for sure.

[Amy]

No Schitt? Let me introduce you to Jack Schitt...

For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt? We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt!' Well, thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an intellectual way.

Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N. Schitt, Inc. They had one son, Jack.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religious couple produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt.

Against her parents' objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high school dropout. After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt Sherlock.

Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt, and they produced a son with a rather nervous disposition named Chicken Schitt. Two of the other six children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the
Schitt-Happens nuptials. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Horse.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt,' you can correct them.


Sincerely,
Crock O. Schitt

:seeya:

:biggrin:Thanks--I needed a laugh today. Well, I've been getting a laugh with the far-fetched theory posts, but this one was better!!!!

[Amy]

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?) I don't think he was. As has been posted--who, even an ex-LE is going to remember clothing people wore on "just another day?" Plus, I really think he was going to say he was watching the news when Cindy pinched his leg and he changed his mind. Plus, seems there are no hour long food programs on the food channel in the middle of the day

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work? I think she stayed @ home as much as she could when the A's were @ work. And, whenever she had an "event" for a certain evening, of course she would be "off" during the day, and openly stay home. Bet she had a lot of evening "events" planned. Otherwise, sitting in the park (getting that suntan,) visitng w/friends. Shopping comes to mind.

3. Where was Caylee during the day? Right w/Casey.

4. Where was Caylee at night? Well, when Casey had an "event" she was right @ home with her grandma. Sometimes it seems she was @ whatever friends' house Casey was. Seems her "old" friends didn't have a problem having Caylee around, just her newer ones. Probably because her new friends had a different life-style and seemed to party hardy.

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?) I don't recall Cindy ever mentioning where she tho't Casey was going on the 16th. I believe that's because Cindy knew Casey had taken Caylee and gotten the heck out of Dodge. I don't think George tho't she was going anywhere on the 16th, cuz I still think she left while he was watching the news on the night of the 15th. However, according to his story, he believed her when she said she was going to work.

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative). I'm with you, I haven't figured out how this fits anything.

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder? It only takes a few seconds to become premeditated murder. Doesn't have to do anything with months of planning different ways to kill someone. It just takes the few seconds to not back off, or to pick up an object to kill someone with. So, about anyway you look @ it, it's premeditated.

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales? Probably a mixture of things, as it seems she takes bits of this and bits of that and weaves her stories. The card @ Sawgrass, the names of the owners of the houses near where she dumped her baby's body, the ID and driver's license of the Z. Gonzalez who had her wallet stolen and anything else that might have come up regarding any Zenaida, and Gonzalez, or any Fernandez.

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them? Because what he saw wasn't Caylee's remains.

10. The state says June 16. Could be right. I haven't heard WHAT TIME on June 16 they have determined, if they have. I agree it could be June 16, any time starting with 12:01 am.

[Zingo]

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?) I don't think he was. As has been posted--who, even an ex-LE is going to remember clothing people wore on "just another day?" Plus, I really think he was going to say he was watching the news when Cindy pinched his leg and he changed his mind. Plus, seems there are no hour long food programs on the food channel in the middle of the day

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work? I think she stayed @ home as much as she could when the A's were @ work. And, whenever she had an "event" for a certain evening, of course she would be "off" during the day, and openly stay home. Bet she had a lot of evening "events" planned. Otherwise, sitting in the park (getting that suntan,) visitng w/friends. Shopping comes to mind.

3. Where was Caylee during the day? Right w/Casey.

4. Where was Caylee at night? Well, when Casey had an "event" she was right @ home with her grandma. Sometimes it seems she was @ whatever friends' house Casey was. Seems her "old" friends didn't have a problem having Caylee around, just her newer ones. Probably because her new friends had a different life-style and seemed to party hardy.

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?) I don't recall Cindy ever mentioning where she tho't Casey was going on the 16th. I believe that's because Cindy knew Casey had taken Caylee and gotten the heck out of Dodge. I don't think George tho't she was going anywhere on the 16th, cuz I still think she left while he was watching the news on the night of the 15th. However, according to his story, he believed her when she said she was going to work.

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative). I'm with you, I haven't figured out how this fits anything.

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder? It only takes a few seconds to become premeditated murder. Doesn't have to do anything with months of planning different ways to kill someone. It just takes the few seconds to not back off, or to pick up an object to kill someone with. So, about anyway you look @ it, it's premeditated.

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales? Probably a mixture of things, as it seems she takes bits of this and bits of that and weaves her stories. The card @ Sawgrass, the names of the owners of the houses near where she dumped her baby's body, the ID and driver's license of the Z. Gonzalez who had her wallet stolen and anything else that might have come up regarding any Zenaida, and Gonzalez, or any Fernandez.

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them? Because what he saw wasn't Caylee's remains.

10. The state says June 16. Could be right. I haven't heard WHAT TIME on June 16 they have determined, if they have. I agree it could be June 16, any time starting with 12:01 am.

Thanks Amy!!! We should have our crime investigation show. I'll interview you. You're way more coherent than most the folks I listen to on TV! Nobody talks about where Caylee was during the day for the last two years! Nobody! And the stories are all conflicting about whether it was just a normal day when Casey left for a month, or whether everybody thought she was going on "vacation" to bond with Caylee.

I honestly think that Casey kept feeding Cindy BS on the phone, and George was COMPLETELY in the dark. I'm with you Amy. I think George may not have actually remembered the last time he saw Casey, but Cindy prompted him, with her BS about the cooking show.

[Amy]

Thanks Amy!!! We should have our crime investigation show. I'll interview you. You're way more coherent than most the folks I listen to on TV! Nobody talks about where Caylee was during the day for the last two years! Nobody! And the stories are all conflicting about whether it was just a normal day when Casey left for a month, or whether everybody thought she was going on "vacation" to bond with Caylee.

I honestly think that Casey kept feeding Cindy BS on the phone, and George was COMPLETELY in the dark. I'm with you Amy. I think George may not have actually remembered the last time he saw Casey, but Cindy prompted him, with her BS about the cooking show.

I had forgotten (how could I, it's been posted about often enough) about Cindy saying Casey was going on vacation and/or taking Caylee to "Bond" with her. Of course, I still get confused about the first part of June, and the gazillion dates, the 2nd, the 9th. I do get that one of Casey's friends (someone posted about KioMarie, but it could have been that poster with the wierd theories) saw Casey and Caylee the 12th or the 13th. I guess meaning in the neighborhood? Cuz, of course, we all know she was alive still on the day of the 15th.

The whole case confuses me, and even if I write things down to see them---they don't make sense. Too bad that, even if Casey was to come clean, I'm betting she would still be weaving her stories, probably even say she was working @ Universal as late as yesterday!!!!

[Native Alien]

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative). I'm with you, I haven't figured out how this fits anything.

First of all Amy had to go to Jacksonville to pick up a new car from a wreck that she had. Amy's car was totaled and Casey was suppose to take Amy to Jacksonville to pick up the new car.

Zanny the Nanny was suppose to have had an accident in Tampa, and Casey was suppose to be with her. It is in the interview that Cindy did with the Orange County Sheriff's department. It gave Casey a reason not to let her parents see Caylee during the time that Casey and Caylee were not staying with George and Cindy. Juliet Lewis was suppose to have Caylee and her daughter at the hotel while Casey was supposedly at the hospital with Zanny after the wreck.

[Zingo]

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative). I'm with you, I haven't figured out how this fits anything.

First of all Amy had to go to Jacksonville to pick up a new car from a wreck that she had. Amy's car was totaled and Casey was suppose to take Amy to Jacksonville to pick up the new car.

Zanny the Nanny was suppose to have had an accident in Tampa, and Casey was suppose to be with her. It is in the interview that Cindy did with the Orange County Sheriff's department. It gave Casey a reason not to let her parents see Caylee during the time that Casey and Caylee were not staying with George and Cindy. Juliet Lewis was suppose to have Caylee and her daughter at the hotel while Casey was supposedly at the hospital with Zanny after the wreck.

Thanks N.A. All these stories are hard to keep straight. And I think what happens is that Cindy repeats Casey's stories as if they're the truth, and then it starts a whole new layer of lies, because Cindy is telling second-hand lies, and stuff always gets messed up when it's repeated anyway.

This is an addictive and confusing case!

[Native Alien]

Thanks N.A. All these stories are hard to keep straight. And I think what happens is that Cindy repeats Casey's stories as if they're the truth, and then it starts a whole new layer of lies, because Cindy is telling second-hand lies, and stuff always gets messed up when it's repeated anyway.

This is an addictive and confusing case!

You can always check the calendar that LE made up when this all begin. I just remember that accident as being one of the excuses that Casey gave to Cindy for the 31 days that is actually unaccounted for.

[Zingo]

You can always check the calendar that LE made up when this all begin. I just remember that accident as being one of the excuses that Casey gave to Cindy for the 31 days that is actually unaccounted for.

Is there a link to that? I would find that interesting. See how lazy I am? I don't like to dig for documents. Ha!

[Native Alien]

I am doing some document digging anyway...lol If I can just find the link again I will post it here.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/04%20Casey%20Anthony%20Timeline%20Calendar.pdf

[One2Snoop]

Is this the one you're looking for?

Read the official timeline of the Casey Anthony case as authored by Orange County investigators
Please be patient while the document loads; there are 60 pages of evidence.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

[Zingo]

Is this the one you're looking for?

Read the official timeline of the Casey Anthony case as authored by Orange County investigators
Please be patient while the document loads; there are 60 pages of evidence.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

Thanks for posting this. Wow. I didn't get all the way through the 60 pages, but so far, here's what I learned that I didn't know:

1. Casey's friends were popping out of the woodwork to tell LE that she was a liar.

2. George and Cindy do not like Jose (George clearly states he just doesn't like the guy).

3. George wasn't in denial about Casey; he was just going along with Cindy, who is clearly in denial.

4. Casey wanted to talk to her Dad -- possibly to confess? But I think her lawyer stopped her. Not sure who the other lawyer was, it wasn't Jose.

5. Lee is clearly working with LE. He has turned over emails and lots of information.

6. George vomitted at the police station after hearing the 911 tapes. Blamed it on his nerves. This was back in August. The police offered to play it for him before they were released to the media.

7. George could barely drive the car home from the tow yard because the smell inside was so bad.

8. George never believed it was pizza. He told police he let his wife believe it because it was easier to deal with her.
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I don't think George lied about seeing Casey on the 16th; I think Casey is cold-hearted enough to get into a fight one night and not immediately act on her rage. I think she carefully came back to the house after George left, and deliberately suffocated little Caylee.

[mu8shark]

Thanks for posting this. Wow. I didn't get all the way through the 60 pages, but so far, here's what I learned that I didn't know:

1. Casey's friends were popping out of the woodwork to tell LE that she was a liar.

2. George and Cindy do not like Jose (George clearly states he just doesn't like the guy).

3. George wasn't in denial about Casey; he was just going along with Cindy, who is clearly in denial.

4. Casey wanted to talk to her Dad -- possibly to confess? But I think her lawyer stopped her. Not sure who the other lawyer was, it wasn't Jose.

5. Lee is clearly working with LE. He has turned over emails and lots of information.

6. George vomitted at the police station after hearing the 911 tapes. Blamed it on his nerves. This was back in August. The police offered to play it for him before they were released to the media.

7. George could barely drive the car home from the tow yard because the smell inside was so bad.

8. George never believed it was pizza. He told police he let his wife believe it because it was easier to deal with her.
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I don't think George lied about seeing Casey on the 16th; I think Casey is cold-hearted enough to get into a fight one night and not immediately act on her rage. I think she carefully came back to the house after George left, and deliberately suffocated little Caylee.I agree George was telling the truth. That lie does not help or hurt Casey either way. Also LE seems to believe it was the last day she was seen at least they don't seem to think it was a lie and I think they probably know better than most of us because they have the info.

[MysteryRenee]

I would be willing to consider ALL these alternative theories until the remains turned up.

Why would anyone illegally "adopt" Caylee, only to kill her a few days/weeks later, and go to elaboarate means to frame Casey??? It borders on the ridiculous "hippies did it" theory advanced by Scott Petersen.

If you're suggesting that a pedaphile "adopted" Caylee, then killed her and dumped her body in Casey's neighborhood, well it's a stretch ...

-- We have no evidence of Casey researching "sell your toddler into the sex trade"

-- If she were paid for this "illegal adoption" what happened to the money? She wouldn't have needed to steal. And why wouldn't she move to California, as she apparently had always wanted to, if she had a stash of cash?

There is reasonable doubt, then there is unreasonable doubt.

If Casey wants to go with the "pedaphile mafia" did it -- I'd say that would be unreasonable doubt. But John, you certainly have added a unique view to the board, and I appreciate someone willing to play "devil's advocate." Makes things interesting!


I agree to not agree. I don't believe the "tot for sale" theory either, but this thread is very interesting. I didn't even know about the 4 grand.

Thanks to everyone............

[MysteryRenee]

I don't understand why no one is talking about her "jobs". At first, it was because the bad guys might kill Caylee. Now, I don't believe Casey has the personality to be in the kind of conflict I am in right now, explaining every nuance and answering every question. She is just keeping quiet, and demanding everyone else does.

I wrote her a letter, sent her $50, and asked her to get on a website with me and I could help her, providing the answers to every question and asking her if my ideas are correct. That might be an opportunity for this website, if you ask her. There hasn't been time for her to receive the letter, yet.

Her lawyers would have to demand Internet access for Casey.

That could only happen if you like a huge amount of money.


All your going to get from her are lies. But maybe she'll say something that will trip her up. She is definately not too bright.

[MysteryRenee]

Boy, I sure know how to kill a thread. Sorry :no:

[samanthajane13]

Damn!!!

You got him BANNED???

I didn't even have the chance to torment the whack-job before he left!!!

You guys are MEAN!!!!

But seriously....

Dude's buggier than a s#it-house rat!!!

And is it my imagination, or do I hear jail-house wedding bells in the future here...???

[Amy]

Damn!!!

You got him BANNED???

I didn't even have the chance to torment the whack-job before he left!!!

You guys are MEAN!!!!

But seriously....

Dude's buggier than a s#it-house rat!!!

And is it my imagination, or do I hear jail-house wedding bells in the future here...???

I think he was banned the day he posted.

[mu8shark]

Damn!!!

You got him BANNED???

I didn't even have the chance to torment the whack-job before he left!!!
You guys are MEAN!!!!

But seriously....

Dude's buggier than a s#it-house rat!!!

And is it my imagination, or do I hear jail-house wedding bells in the future here...??? Wow you are pretty funny. This post made me really laugh.

[samanthajane13]

There are a few places online where I'm jokingly and affectionately known as the Troll--minator for my talent of sending trolls screaming into oblivion because of my acidic tongue.

It's a God-given gift, really...

And now my chance to toy with this loon is gone...

To quote my favorite TV character, 24's Jack Bauer...

DAMMIT!!!

[Zingo]

There are a few places online where I'm jokingly and affectionately known as the Troll--minator for my talent of sending trolls screaming into oblivion because of my acidic tongue.

It's a God-given gift, really...

And now my chance to toy with this loon is gone...

To quote my favorite TV character, 24's Jack Bauer...

DAMMIT!!!


ha ha ha ... I know, this was a fun thread there with the Casey-lovin', pedaphile-blamin' buggier-than-a-sh*T-house rat guy.

I know what it's like to get banned. They banned me from websleuths for asking whether anybody thought Jose and Casey had actually slept together or just exchanged a few extra hugs :shrug:

Love Jack Bauer !!!

[One2Snoop]

ha ha ha ... I know, this was a fun thread there with the Casey-lovin', pedaphile-blamin' buggier-than-a-sh*T-house rat guy.

I know what it's like to get banned. They banned me from websleuths for asking whether anybody thought Jose and Casey had actually slept together or just exchanged a few extra hugs :shrug:

Love Jack Bauer !!!

Yes, but admit it :punch: you're much happier here. You can say what you want when you want without some power hungry wanna be gawd ready to pounce on you at a moments notice. Don't forget, they have ban buttons on their keyboards ready to use whenever they feel like it. True? :biggrin: :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

There are a few places online where I'm jokingly and affectionately known as the Troll--minator for my talent of sending trolls screaming into oblivion because of my acidic tongue.

It's a God-given gift, really...

And now my chance to toy with this loon is gone...

To quote my favorite TV character, 24's Jack Bauer...

DAMMIT!!!

Now this I'd like to see. :biggrin: We can always put in a request to have the idgit unbanned if you like. :beer:

[Zingo]

Yes, but admit it :punch: you're much happier here. You can say what you want when you want without some power hungry wanna be gawd ready to pounce on you at a moments notice. Don't forget, they have ban buttons on their keyboards ready to use whenever they feel like it. True? :biggrin: :seeya:

I was beneath their dignity ... Ha! :D

As Billy Joel once said: "I'd rather laugh with the sinners, than cry with the saints ... "

[kksback]

ha ha ha ... I know, this was a fun thread there with the Casey-lovin', pedaphile-blamin' buggier-than-a-sh*T-house rat guy.

I know what it's like to get banned. They banned me from websleuths for asking whether anybody thought Jose and Casey had actually slept together or just exchanged a few extra hugs :shrug:

Love Jack Bauer !!!
Oh, I've thought the same thing! I wonder if they are watched by a guard? And you were banned?!

(O2S) I'm not stalking you)

:)

[sharlock]

Okay 1. What kind of reasonable doubt is there when all of the evidence is either in the car or linked back to the A's house? Even the dirt samples can be linked.

#2. LE has come out and said they know Casey was the only person involved in Caylee's murder.

#3 What the heck are you taling about a great deal of circumstancial evidence proves Casey was working for those kind of people? What circumstancial evidence points to that? All the circumstancial evidence IMO points to Casey killing Caylee out of spit towards her mom and because Caylee was a cramp on her lifestyle. It says she duct taped her mouth, put a heart sticker on it, chloroformed her, wrapped her in a blanket inside the house, placed her in a laundry bag then a trash bag, tried to bury her in the backyard, changed her mind, put her in the trunk, dumped her body in the woods. After that the pics and friends say she was partying and even got a tattoo that meand "beautiful life". Who the heck would party and get that tattoo if they were messed up with *those* kind of people and KNOW *those* kind of people have their child?
Someone who knows how to accessorize grief:D.

[sharlock]

ha ha ha ... I know, this was a fun thread there with the Casey-lovin', pedaphile-blamin' buggier-than-a-sh*T-house rat guy.

I know what it's like to get banned. They banned me from websleuths for asking whether anybody thought Jose and Casey had actually slept together or just exchanged a few extra hugs :shrug:

Love Jack Bauer !!!
Well if they can ban you for just speculating on the depth of the relationship between Baez and Casey that goes a long way to explaining why a moderator with access to all of WS's ip addresses and members being outed as a pedophile lists is off topic in a crime site that advocates for child rights!lol.:eek: