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[samanthajane13]

"That is the most beautiful thing I have ever read and it's so true. I am sobbing right now for Gator and if I weren't then it would mean that 13.5 years of loyalty and love didn't exist.

I know you understand since you still keep SamanthaJane's name as I will keep Gator's. Of course the second doubts are coming that maybe I could have pulled him out again but it would only have delayed the inevitable and given him days of pain. He left this world full of the way he lived it, with dignity and his Mommy by his side. Some may say he was just a dog but he was my reason for coming home from work, for waking up to feed him, and when I was tired or sad he always was by my side putting his toys in my hand."

Oh, sweetie!! Didn't mean to make you cry, but let those tears flow. They HEAL us!!!

Of course you have doubts. I have doubts over Thor, and my mom has doubts over Brownie.

Maybe this will help you understand-

Treat me kindly, my beloved master, for no heart in all the world is
more grateful for kindness than the loving heart of me.

Do not break my spirit with a stick, for though I should lick your
hand between the blows, your patience and understanding
will more quickly teach me the things you would have me do.

Speak to me often, for your voice is the worlds sweetest music, as
you must know by the fierce wagging of my tail when your footstep
falls upon my waiting ear.

When it is cold and wet, please take me inside, for I am now a
domesticated animal, no longer used to the elements. And I ask no
greater glory than the privilege of sitting at your feet beside the
hearth. Though, had you no home, I would rather follow you through
ice and snow than rest upon the softest pillow in the warmest home
in all the land, for you are my god and I am your devoted worshipper.

Keep my pan filled with fresh water, for although I should not
reproach you were it dry, I cannot tell you when I suffer thirst.

Feed me clean food, that I may stay well, to romp and play and do
your bidding, to walk by your side, and stand ready, willing and able
to protect you with my life should your life be in danger.

And, beloved master, should the great Master see fit to deprive me of
my health or my sight, do not turn me away from you. Rather, hold me
gently in your arms as skilled hands grant me the merciful boon of
eternal rest --- and I will leave you knowing with the last breath I
drew, my fate was ever safest in your hands.

by: Beth Norman Harris

That prayer made it possible for me to NOT beat myself up over euthanaizing Thor.

He had lost his "sister", Athena, on January 11th-from abdominal torsion, and he was never really the same again, even when we got Timmy to keep him company. Not that he didn't love him, Timmy just wasn't his baby sister.

He spent July 4th and the next 2 days barfing his poor guts out. At first we thought it was the fireworks in the neighborhood. He was terrified of thunder and lightning, too, and always hid under the covers in my bed.

He had rapid-onset acute diabetes with liver damage. They don't know which came first, but even if we did all those things for him, there was a BIG CHANCE that his liver was shot, and he'd have to be put down in the end, anyway. I never hear of dogs getting liver transplants...

He would have had very little quality of life on special diets, insulin, exploratory surgery and biopsies.

As it was, we spent his last night together with him and Timmy, snuggling and sleeping on Mom's floor, and he had his favorite dinner. Grilled hot-dogs, vanilla ice cream and STRAWBERRIES. He would totally destroy the entire trash can in the pantry for ONE strawberry hull.

The next morning, he had more berries for breakfast, and he walked into the vet's office with his head held high, and passed with his head in my lap as I told him to run and find Athena and Samantha (his surrogate momma).

Now-I know it's way too soon, but keep this in mind-it helped me get past the pain of losing my fur-babies-

Sorrow fills a barren space;
you close your eyes and see my face
and think of times I made you laugh,
the love we shared, the bond we had,
the special way I needed you -
the friendship shared by just we two.

The day's too quiet, the world seems older,
the wind blows now a little colder.

You gaze into the empty air
and look for me, but I'm not there -
I'm in heaven and I watch you,
and I see the world around you too.

I see little souls wearing fur,
souls who bark and souls who purr
born unwanted and unloved -
I see all this and more above -
I watch them suffer, I see them cry,
I see them lost, I watch them die.

I see unwanted thousands born -
and when they die, nobody mourns.

These little souls wearing fur
(Some who bark and some who purr)
are castaways who - unlike me -
will never know love or security.

A few short months they starve and roam,
Or caged in shelters - nobody takes home.

They're special too (furballs of pleasure),
filled with love and each one, a treasure.

My pain and suffering came to an end,
so don't cry for me, my person, my friend.

But think of the living - those souls with fur
(some who bark and some who purr) -
And though our bond can't be broken apart,
make room for another in your home and your heart.

--- Caro Schubert-James ---

When I adopt or rescue a new pet, it a TRIBUTE to my past animals-not a replacement for them.

I think of the abundant love they've given me, and I realize how empty my life would be without pets. After all-pets give us total, unconditional love-a 1000% return on everything we give them!!!

That's a LOT OF LOVE!!! But what do we do with it???

Each new fur-kid is another link in that chain of love, and as I share the love the former pets gave me, I get more love in return.

My mom thought I was insane the night we brought Timmy home.

I was out in the yard with Thor and Timmy, and I was gazing at the stars, talking to the sky.

She thought there was somebody with me or that I was talking to the dogs, until she came out into the February snow.

She asked who I was talking to, and I said "Athena".

She asked if I had second thoughts about getting Timmy, and I said, "No-I was thanking Athena for sending Timmy to us, and letting her know we found him at the SPCA, right where we'd looked all week, and we took him home."

You see, Mom had dragged me to local shelters for about 10 days, and on the last day, I'd found Timmy. About 20 minutes before we got there, he'd been brought back from his foster home to be adopted. It was as if he'd been waiting for us. He'd been in foster care for 4 months, and hadn't been back to be adopted during all the time we were looking, but that day, the minute I looked into sad, frightened eyes, I KNEW he was OUR DOG-the one who NEEDED us, and that we could help him heal as he helped us.

So PLEASE don't harden your heart about getting another pet SOMEDAY.

There are so very many who need the love that you and Gator have to give.

Healing Hugs-
Donna

Now I think I need a glass of wine, which I'll raise to all of the fur-babies waiting for their mommas and daddies and kids, at The Rainbow Bridge.

And to the new arrival-Gator!

RIP-Gator!!
Wait for your momma by the Bridge, and keep an eye out for my kids. They'll hang around and play with you!! Just tell them your Momma knows SamanthaJane!!

[beemer]

You know, I just don't get George and Cindy. I have a hole in my heart right now that only time will heal. I cry every hour. I couldn't eat last night and almost forgot to take my meds. How in Heaven's name did they go out to eat the night that Caylee's bones were found? How can they forgive and stand by her murderer. If one of my brother's had killed Gator, they would have to lock me up to keep from beating him to a pulp or worse. I can tell you that I would never have set eyes on him again. How is it that I could love my dog more than they loved Caylee? I'm not crying into tissues, I have a roll of Bounty paper towels to absorb all my tears and Cindy goes on TV with the same "eyepoke" the Liar used to try to shed a tear. :shrug:

Gator
It's folks like you Gator that remind us there are still good people in this world :rose:

[BeastofBears]

You know, I just don't get George and Cindy. I have a hole in my heart right now that only time will heal. I cry every hour. I couldn't eat last night and almost forgot to take my meds. How in Heaven's name did they go out to eat the night that Caylee's bones were found? How can they forgive and stand by her murderer. If one of my brother's had killed Gator, they would have to lock me up to keep from beating him to a pulp or worse. I can tell you that I would never have set eyes on him again. How is it that I could love my dog more than they loved Caylee? I'm not crying into tissues, I have a roll of Bounty paper towels to absorb all my tears and Cindy goes on TV with the same "eyepoke" the Liar used to try to shed a tear. :shrug:

Gator

It mystifies me, too. I don't know what I would do to a relative who killed Ollie.

I am so sorry you are suffering, Gator...I've been there too. We had to put down my beloved Siggy to a horrible cancer a few years ago, and as my husband was driving away to the vet with him, I was running after him up the street, begging for my dog back. I couldn't go with him because of the newborn baby. But it is the hardest part of loving the little guys who so unfairly live less years than us. We have a final responsibility to them...but its so damn hard. I'm crying for you tonight, too.

[Nawny]

You know, I just don't get George and Cindy. I have a hole in my heart right now that only time will heal. I cry every hour. I couldn't eat last night and almost forgot to take my meds. How in Heaven's name did they go out to eat the night that Caylee's bones were found? How can they forgive and stand by her murderer. If one of my brother's had killed Gator, they would have to lock me up to keep from beating him to a pulp or worse. I can tell you that I would never have set eyes on him again. How is it that I could love my dog more than they loved Caylee? I'm not crying into tissues, I have a roll of Bounty paper towels to absorb all my tears and Cindy goes on TV with the same "eyepoke" the Liar used to try to shed a tear. :shrug:

Gator


My poor friend :( Tears are like faucets in the eyes, for some Godly reason they relieve us in a way. If only there was a way to make healing an event instead of a process. It takes time for the raw pain to go away. I'd rather have ten root canals in one day than grieve someone I love for one minute. "We endure" somehow... we are all sending energy to help you deal with it Gator.. I hope it reaches that beautiful heart of yours and peaceful moments start to come in to fill that hole.

As for the Anthony's they are the worst stoogotz's I ever saw in my life. They don't have holes in their hearts because they have no hearts. They have baloney sandwiches in there. They went out to eat because according to CA they didn't think it was Caylee's remains because they thought she was alive.. Yeah right! So that makes the video of the liar even more prejudicial.. because she didn't think Caylee was alive. Whoops, uh oh!

They defend that killer because they''re still trying to convince us that they are upper crust members of society.. they are damned..

If anyone killed one of mine, I'd be in jail and liking it.

A toast to Gator:rose: I love his picture :-) Nawny's getting the Baileys out now. :beer: I should be out cold in a half hour. :-)

"eyepoke" LOL! LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!

[Nawny]

"That is the most beautiful thing I have ever read and it's so true. I am sobbing right now for Gator and if I weren't then it would mean that 13.5 years of loyalty and love didn't exist.

I know you understand since you still keep SamanthaJane's name as I will keep Gator's. Of course the second doubts are coming that maybe I could have pulled him out again but it would only have delayed the inevitable and given him days of pain. He left this world full of the way he lived it, with dignity and his Mommy by his side. Some may say he was just a dog but he was my reason for coming home from work, for waking up to feed him, and when I was tired or sad he always was by my side putting his toys in my hand."

Oh, sweetie!! Didn't mean to make you cry, but let those tears flow. They HEAL us!!!

Of course you have doubts. I have doubts over Thor, and my mom has doubts over Brownie.

Maybe this will help you understand-

Treat me kindly, my beloved master, for no heart in all the world is
more grateful for kindness than the loving heart of me.

Do not break my spirit with a stick, for though I should lick your
hand between the blows, your patience and understanding
will more quickly teach me the things you would have me do.

Speak to me often, for your voice is the worlds sweetest music, as
you must know by the fierce wagging of my tail when your footstep
falls upon my waiting ear.

When it is cold and wet, please take me inside, for I am now a
domesticated animal, no longer used to the elements. And I ask no
greater glory than the privilege of sitting at your feet beside the
hearth. Though, had you no home, I would rather follow you through
ice and snow than rest upon the softest pillow in the warmest home
in all the land, for you are my god and I am your devoted worshipper.

Keep my pan filled with fresh water, for although I should not
reproach you were it dry, I cannot tell you when I suffer thirst.

Feed me clean food, that I may stay well, to romp and play and do
your bidding, to walk by your side, and stand ready, willing and able
to protect you with my life should your life be in danger.

And, beloved master, should the great Master see fit to deprive me of
my health or my sight, do not turn me away from you. Rather, hold me
gently in your arms as skilled hands grant me the merciful boon of
eternal rest --- and I will leave you knowing with the last breath I
drew, my fate was ever safest in your hands.

by: Beth Norman Harris

That prayer made it possible for me to NOT beat myself up over euthanaizing Thor.

He had lost his "sister", Athena, on January 11th-from abdominal torsion, and he was never really the same again, even when we got Timmy to keep him company. Not that he didn't love him, Timmy just wasn't his baby sister.

He spent July 4th and the next 2 days barfing his poor guts out. At first we thought it was the fireworks in the neighborhood. He was terrified of thunder and lightning, too, and always hid under the covers in my bed.

He had rapid-onset acute diabetes with liver damage. They don't know which came first, but even if we did all those things for him, there was a BIG CHANCE that his liver was shot, and he'd have to be put down in the end, anyway. I never hear of dogs getting liver transplants...

He would have had very little quality of life on special diets, insulin, exploratory surgery and biopsies.

As it was, we spent his last night together with him and Timmy, snuggling and sleeping on Mom's floor, and he had his favorite dinner. Grilled hot-dogs, vanilla ice cream and STRAWBERRIES. He would totally destroy the entire trash can in the pantry for ONE strawberry hull.

The next morning, he had more berries for breakfast, and he walked into the vet's office with his head held high, and passed with his head in my lap as I told him to run and find Athena and Samantha (his surrogate momma).

Now-I know it's way too soon, but keep this in mind-it helped me get past the pain of losing my fur-babies-

Sorrow fills a barren space;
you close your eyes and see my face
and think of times I made you laugh,
the love we shared, the bond we had,
the special way I needed you -
the friendship shared by just we two.

The day's too quiet, the world seems older,
the wind blows now a little colder.

You gaze into the empty air
and look for me, but I'm not there -
I'm in heaven and I watch you,
and I see the world around you too.

I see little souls wearing fur,
souls who bark and souls who purr
born unwanted and unloved -
I see all this and more above -
I watch them suffer, I see them cry,
I see them lost, I watch them die.

I see unwanted thousands born -
and when they die, nobody mourns.

These little souls wearing fur
(Some who bark and some who purr)
are castaways who - unlike me -
will never know love or security.

A few short months they starve and roam,
Or caged in shelters - nobody takes home.

They're special too (furballs of pleasure),
filled with love and each one, a treasure.

My pain and suffering came to an end,
so don't cry for me, my person, my friend.

But think of the living - those souls with fur
(some who bark and some who purr) -
And though our bond can't be broken apart,
make room for another in your home and your heart.

--- Caro Schubert-James ---

When I adopt or rescue a new pet, it a TRIBUTE to my past animals-not a replacement for them.

I think of the abundant love they've given me, and I realize how empty my life would be without pets. After all-pets give us total, unconditional love-a 1000% return on everything we give them!!!

That's a LOT OF LOVE!!! But what do we do with it???

Each new fur-kid is another link in that chain of love, and as I share the love the former pets gave me, I get more love in return.

My mom thought I was insane the night we brought Timmy home.

I was out in the yard with Thor and Timmy, and I was gazing at the stars, talking to the sky.

She thought there was somebody with me or that I was talking to the dogs, until she came out into the February snow.

She asked who I was talking to, and I said "Athena".

She asked if I had second thoughts about getting Timmy, and I said, "No-I was thanking Athena for sending Timmy to us, and letting her know we found him at the SPCA, right where we'd looked all week, and we took him home."

You see, Mom had dragged me to local shelters for about 10 days, and on the last day, I'd found Timmy. About 20 minutes before we got there, he'd been brought back from his foster home to be adopted. It was as if he'd been waiting for us. He'd been in foster care for 4 months, and hadn't been back to be adopted during all the time we were looking, but that day, the minute I looked into sad, frightened eyes, I KNEW he was OUR DOG-the one who NEEDED us, and that we could help him heal as he helped us.

So PLEASE don't harden your heart about getting another pet SOMEDAY.

There are so very many who need the love that you and Gator have to give.

Healing Hugs-
Donna

Now I think I need a glass of wine, which I'll raise to all of the fur-babies waiting for their mommas and daddies and kids, at The Rainbow Bridge.

And to the new arrival-Gator!

RIP-Gator!!
Wait for your momma by the Bridge, and keep an eye out for my kids. They'll hang around and play with you!! Just tell them your Momma knows SamanthaJane!!

Donna you just blew my doors off! That was the most beautiful composition about pets I've ever read. It's a keeper! WOW! Gimmi those paper towels Gator!

I have the Baileys, you got the wine? I just told Poppa to pour me one and he said, "Why?" I said, I'm drinking a toast to Gator. He looked at me. :)

[BeastofBears]

Donna you just blew my doors off! That was the most beautiful composition about pets I've ever read. It's a keeper! WOW! Gimmi those paper towels Gator!

I have the Baileys, you got the wine? I just told Poppa to pour me one and he said, "Why?" I said, I'm drinking a toast to Gator. He looked at me. :)

Mine's confused, too, but we're cracking open a nice Valpolicella tonight in honor of the dog-boo. :beer:

[samanthajane13]

Drinking Barefoot Merlot, listening to Watermelon Crawl, and blessing the day God made our little critters!!!

Time to raise our glasses, folks!

To quote Albert Schweitzer-

Hear our humble prayer, Oh God, for our friends the animals,
especially for ones who are suffering;
for any that are lost or deserted or frightened or hungry.

We entreat for them all thy mercy and pity.

For those who deal with them,
we ask a heart of compassion, gentle hands and kindly words.

Make us, ourselves, to be true friends to animals
and to show thy blessings to the merciful.

Drink up!

To Gator and all the rest of the fin-, feather-, scale- and fur-babies at the Rainbow Bridge-wait for us there, sweeties, we'll be along before you know it!!

[samanthajane13]

"Donna you just blew my doors off! That was the most beautiful composition about pets I've ever read. It's a keeper! WOW! Gimmi those paper towels Gator!"

Thank you, Dangher! It's just what's in my heart-and what I've borrowed from those better at poetry than I am. I have a whole damned FILE of animal poetry in my hard-drive.

Some people watch Bambi when they need a good cry-I just read animal poems.

"I have the Baileys, you got the wine? I just told Poppa to pour me one and he said, "Why?" I said, I'm drinking a toast to Gator. He looked at me."

Yeah, well, Katey's been following the Irish wake for Gator all day, and I just passed the bottle of wine to her,and she almost snorked it at me...that girl just can't handle her booze... :biggrin:

[samanthajane13]

Next song goes out to Gator-dog!!

Feed Jake by Pirates of The Mississippi!!

[samanthajane13]

Next up-

Do You Think I'm Sexy? by Rod Stewart

For Thor-Mr. Sexy Good-boy!!

[samanthajane13]

Next-Walkin' The Dog by Roger Daltrey

[samanthajane13]

Next-Wild Fire by Michael Martin Murphy!

[samanthajane13]

And to my baby-girl, Katey, who's sobbing over Gator and Wild Fire-

"I Think I'll Just Stay Here And Drink"-by Merle Haggard

Just 'cuz she's such a softie and can't handle her liquor!!!

:tongue:

[samanthajane13]

And another Merle Haggard song-for anyone who's lost a loved one...

"Sing Me Back Home"

The warden led a prisoner down the hallway to his doom
I stood up to say good-bye like all the rest
And I heard him tell the warden just before he reached my cell
'Let my guitar playing friend do my request.' (Let him...)

Sing me back home with a song I used to hear
Make my old memories come alive
Take me away and turn back the years
Sing Me Back Home before I die

I recall last Sunday morning a choir from 'cross the street
Came to sing a few old gospel songs
And I heard him tell the singers 'There's a song my mama sang.
Can I hear once before we move along?'

Sing me back home, the song my mama sang
Make my old memories come alive
Take me away and turn back the years
Sing Me Back Home before I die

Sing Me Back Home before I die


Rest In Peace, Gator!
Wait for your Momma by the Bridge, and we'll take real good care of her till she comes to get you!!
GOOD BOY!!!

[Nawny]

And another Merle Haggard song-for anyone who's lost a loved one...

"Sing Me Back Home"

The warden led a prisoner down the hallway to his doom
I stood up to say good-bye like all the rest
And I heard him tell the warden just before he reached my cell
'Let my guitar playing friend do my request.' (Let him...)

Sing me back home with a song I used to hear
Make my old memories come alive
Take me away and turn back the years
Sing Me Back Home before I die

I recall last Sunday morning a choir from 'cross the street
Came to sing a few old gospel songs
And I heard him tell the singers 'There's a song my mama sang.
Can I hear once before we move along?'

Sing me back home, the song my mama sang
Make my old memories come alive
Take me away and turn back the years
Sing Me Back Home before I die

Sing Me Back Home before I die


Rest In Peace, Gator!
Wait for your Momma by the Bridge, and we'll take real good care of her till she comes to get you!!
GOOD BOY!!!

Be still my heart. We can even have wakes online! God love the Internet! :rose: It proves once again that love travels!

Good job Donna! Thank you!

[samanthajane13]

Sure we can Danagher!!!

As long as we have caring people with the right intent, why not???

Katey helped my pick out the music from our vast collection which ranges from Classical, to Rock, to Country, to Patriotic, and we played each one of the songs-plus a few extras to fill in why we searched, all in honor of Gator and all the lost pets we knew of.

And it was an honor to toast him and celebrate his life.

It was the first Irish wake for Katey and I, and Katey didn't fair too well...one wine cooler and a few gulps of my Merlot, and she's down for the count. Poor baby...and here I am having caught my second wind.

She threatened to skin me alive if I started playing bag-pipe music, especially Amazing Grace...so I had to behave myself.

[beemer]

Hi all-we are taking off for Vegas next Thursday till Monday. Decided on a whim with our company-ya know how i complained bout the weather-Lordy now i will have heat. New Yawkers have never been. I pop in when i can. I hope we can hook up with my sis while there as well. So anybody who is sick of their weather c'mon with us it will be in the 100's :shrug::eek:

[beemer]

You guys did a great thing to honour Gator :rose:

[old_soul]

That is the most beautiful thing I have ever read and it's so true. I am sobbing right now for Gator and if I weren't then it would mean that 13.5 years of loyalty and love didn't exist.

I know you understand since you still keep SamanthaJane's name as I will keep Gator's. Of course the second doubts are coming that maybe I could have pulled him out again but it would only have delayed the inevitable and given him days of pain. He left this world full of the way he lived it, with dignity and his Mommy by his side. Some may say he was just a dog but he was my reason for coming home from work, for waking up to feed him, and when I was tired or sad he always was by my side putting his toys in my hand.


My friend J ~

I cried last night, and I cry now, for you and Gator. I couldn't post then, for I knew how much your heart hurt..what was there for me to say? I just felt sadness..

When going through life toughest moments, my comfort was also my pet...they look at us and know, just know, how we feel at that moment. Without a word, they snuggle in and wait it out with us as we cry, ever loyal to our hearts, with their unconditional love. Your Gator did that for you, and you for him, and he knew that till his very last moment. How wonderful and comforting for him to have you at that moment. He was happy, my friend, he found peace in that moment. Keep that comforting thought in your head, because it means everything.

When you cry, cry and laugh too, with the memories of his silliness and happiness, and yours too. We are all here on this earth temporarily, and to serve a purpose.....and Gator's....well, his best sums it up in this song.....

I was Born to Love You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMGjN8-9IG0&feature=related

A Tribute to Gator(dog) You're my Best Friend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdt5QwssWY4&feature=related

I cry for your loss..but you have the memories that you will never forget, and will forever remain in your heart. What a gift.http://i43.tinypic.com/vnys1h.gif


<<<<Huggs, Gator>>>>>>>>>:rose:

[Gatordog]

Donna you just blew my doors off! That was the most beautiful composition about pets I've ever read. It's a keeper! WOW! Gimmi those paper towels Gator!

I have the Baileys, you got the wine? I just told Poppa to pour me one and he said, "Why?" I said, I'm drinking a toast to Gator. He looked at me. :)

I feel like the Grinch at the end when his heart grew to giant size. My heart has grown thanks to everyone. I've stopped crying, I'm only sad. But, I've started looking at websites of dogs. I found a breed which I had never heard of - Native American Indian Dog. It wouldn't be an adoption, but due to my allergies and other pets, this breed would be perfect. It's in the back of my mind along with Standard Schnauzers, Airedales, Standard Poodle, mutt, ....:)

gator

[beemer]

Oh OS you have such a way with words. Beautiful :rose: Nothing left for me to say :rose:

[Gatordog]

My friend J ~

I cried last night, and I cry now, for you and Gator. I couldn't post then, for I knew how much your heart hurt..what was there for me to say? I just felt sadness..

When going through life toughest moments, my comfort was also my pet...they look at us and know, just know, how we feel at that moment. Without a word, they snuggle in and wait it out with us as we cry, ever loyal to our hearts, with their unconditional love. Your Gator did that for you, and you for him, and he knew that till his very last moment. How wonderful and comforting for him to have you at that moment. He was happy, my friend, he found peace in that moment. Keep that comforting thought in your head, because it means everything.

When you cry, cry and laugh too, with the memories of his silliness and happiness, and yours too. We are all here on this earth temporarily, and to serve a purpose.....and Gator's....well, his best sums it up in this song.....

I was Born to Love You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMGjN8-9IG0&feature=related

A Tribute to Gator(dog) You're my Best Friend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdt5QwssWY4&feature=related

I cry for your loss..but you have the memories that you will never forget, and will forever remain in your heart. What a gift.http://i43.tinypic.com/vnys1h.gif


<<<<Huggs, Gator>>>>>>>>>:rose:

Thank you dear friend.

:)

[Gatordog]

And another Merle Haggard song-for anyone who's lost a loved one...

"Sing Me Back Home"

The warden led a prisoner down the hallway to his doom
I stood up to say good-bye like all the rest
And I heard him tell the warden just before he reached my cell
'Let my guitar playing friend do my request.' (Let him...)

Sing me back home with a song I used to hear
Make my old memories come alive
Take me away and turn back the years
Sing Me Back Home before I die

I recall last Sunday morning a choir from 'cross the street
Came to sing a few old gospel songs
And I heard him tell the singers 'There's a song my mama sang.
Can I hear once before we move along?'

Sing me back home, the song my mama sang
Make my old memories come alive
Take me away and turn back the years
Sing Me Back Home before I die

Sing Me Back Home before I die


Rest In Peace, Gator!
Wait for your Momma by the Bridge, and we'll take real good care of her till she comes to get you!!
GOOD BOY!!!

No words - but no tears either. Thank you. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad050.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[beemer]

I feel like the Grinch at the end when his heart grew to giant size. My heart has grown thanks to everyone. I've stopped crying, I'm only sad. But, I've started looking at websites of dogs. I found a breed which I had never heard of - Native American Indian Dog. It wouldn't be an adoption, but due to my allergies and other pets, this breed would be perfect. It's in the back of my mind along with Standard Schnauzers, Airedales, Standard Poodle, mutt, ....:)

gator
Whatever one you choose will be one lucky dog. Gator would want that. You are meant to provide a loving home for animals-thats who you are :rose::rose:

[Nawny]

Hi all-we are taking off for Vegas next Thursday till Monday. Decided on a whim with our company-ya know how i complained bout the weather-Lordy now i will have heat. New Yawkers have never been. I pop in when i can. I hope we can hook up with my sis while there as well. So anybody who is sick of their weather c'mon with us it will be in the 100's :shrug::eek:

Las Vegas? You BUM! It's raining here again today FYI..
no, no it's okay, really. Don't worry about us here drowning. we'll be okay. We're good.. go on, no really, enjoy yourself. Gaw head make an ass of yourself on the thing, go!

:hat:

Have fun, it's all good :)

[beemer]

Las Vegas? You BUM! It's raining here again today FYI..
no, no it's okay, really. Don't worry about us here drowning. we'll be okay. We're good.. go on, no really, enjoy yourself. Gaw head make an ass of yourself on the thing, go!

:hat:

Have fun, it's all good :)

Come with us Nawny where we will sweat-or should i say not sweat. Consume amounts of water beyond description as your too afraid to injest some alcohol LOL Vegas is the last place i would go in summer. We will do some venturing in AZ and Cali. So jump aboard. C'mon get your azz on the thing with us LOL :beer:

[deacon]

I feel like the Grinch at the end when his heart grew to giant size. My heart has grown thanks to everyone. I've stopped crying, I'm only sad. But, I've started looking at websites of dogs. I found a breed which I had never heard of - Native American Indian Dog. It wouldn't be an adoption, but due to my allergies and other pets, this breed would be perfect. It's in the back of my mind along with Standard Schnauzers, Airedales, Standard Poodle, mutt, ....:)

gator

I tend to like Mutt. They don't seem to have the medical problems that others do sometime.:rose:

[beemer]

P.S. I will last about a 1/2 hr at the slots-waaaaay to visual and noisy for me. If i happen to win big i will charter a plane and have you all picked up ;)

[deacon]

Las Vegas? You BUM! It's raining here again today FYI..
no, no it's okay, really. Don't worry about us here drowning. we'll be okay. We're good.. go on, no really, enjoy yourself. Gaw head make an ass of yourself on the thing, go!

:hat:

Have fun, it's all good :)

Call george, maybe he will resuce with the assonthething.:eek:

Sorry, just kidding. That would be too much like work

[beemer]

Days away from here will kill me :eek:

[beemer]

Call george, maybe he will resuce with the assonthething.:eek:

Sorry, just kidding. That would be too much like work

Haaaaa :beer:

[Nawny]

I feel like the Grinch at the end when his heart grew to giant size. My heart has grown thanks to everyone. I've stopped crying, I'm only sad. But, I've started looking at websites of dogs. I found a breed which I had never heard of - Native American Indian Dog. It wouldn't be an adoption, but due to my allergies and other pets, this breed would be perfect. It's in the back of my mind along with Standard Schnauzers, Airedales, Standard Poodle, mutt, ....:)

gator


Great news! Gator will send you another friend :) Look at teh Bichon's or Bichon Poo's.. no allergy, no shed! Very smart animals. In memory of Angel. She was a doll of a dog. I'm tempted to find another angel. This thread has me wishing for another little pumpkin to clean up after. :hat: Hey you guys! ;)

[BeastofBears]

Hi all-we are taking off for Vegas next Thursday till Monday. Decided on a whim with our company-ya know how i complained bout the weather-Lordy now i will have heat. New Yawkers have never been. I pop in when i can. I hope we can hook up with my sis while there as well. So anybody who is sick of their weather c'mon with us it will be in the 100's :shrug::eek:

RumJungle in the Mandalay Bay!! I cannot emphasize this enough. Incredible food and drinks-the fire pit stuff is so good, and the drinks!!!. Go in the afternoon before it turns into a Latin club unless you're into that sort of thing. But get a nice little cocktail table with loungy chairs by the fire and water wall and just veg over nice food and conversation. It is my favorite restaurant in the whole wide world! I wish I could go with you!

BoB

[beemer]

My beloved Freeway was Bischon and Norfolk Terrier-best dang dog. Had him 16 years :rose:

[beemer]

RumJungle in the Mandalay Bay!! I cannot emphasize this enough. Incredible food and drinks-the fire pit stuff is so good, and the drinks!!!. Go in the afternoon before it turns into a Latin club unless you're into that sort of thing. But get a nice little cocktail table with loungy chairs by the fire and water wall and just veg over nice food and conversation. It is my favorite restaurant in the whole wide world! I wish I could go with you!

BoB
Thanks so much-a city that changes way too much. I have it written down and sounds like just the ticket-thanks so much. You will be there in spirit-all of ya's :beer:

[Nawny]

Come with us Nawny where we will sweat-or should i say not sweat. Consume amounts of water beyond description as your too afraid to injest some alcohol LOL Vegas is the last place i would go in summer. We will do some venturing in AZ and Cali. So jump aboard. C'mon get your azz on the thing with us LOL :beer:

Then who will take care of Poppa if I'm gone? He will be so lonely. :( Besides that he will be very angry because I opted to spend our travel cash to do two major projects this coming month. He will say, "WHAT? YOU WANT VEGAS NOW???" :cuss: And I'll say, shut up:punch: and he'll say no YOU shut up:punch: See you are going to get me in trouble Beemer! Hmmm, maybe I can sneak outtah heah. Then he will miss me and .. never mind. Evil woman that I am. :biggrin:

[beemer]

Then who will take care of Poppa if I'm gone? He will be so lonely. :( Besides that he will be very angry because I opted to spend our travel cash to do two major projects this coming month. He will say, "WHAT? YOU WANT VEGAS NOW???" :cuss: And I'll say, shut up:punch: and he'll say no YOU shut up:punch: See you are going to get me in trouble Beemer! Hmmm, maybe I can sneak outtah heah. Then he will miss me and .. never mind. Evil woman that I am. :biggrin:

You just come in spirit then and i will do my best to huff and puff some of that air your way ;)

[Nawny]

My beloved Freeway was Bischon and Norfolk Terrier-best dang dog. Had him 16 years :rose:

Yes those Bichons are so adorable and so lovable.. but I don't think they are watch dogs. They seem to inspire ribbons in their beautiful hair.. lol! I never had a good watch dog. All of our dogs were capable of telling the thieves where he house keys were hidden. They didn't love me. I want a normal dog. Why can't I have a normal dog? Like Lassie.. :(

[BeastofBears]

Come with us Nawny where we will sweat-or should i say not sweat. Consume amounts of water beyond description as your too afraid to injest some alcohol LOL Vegas is the last place i would go in summer. We will do some venturing in AZ and Cali. So jump aboard. C'mon get your azz on the thing with us LOL :beer:

Just be nocturnal, that's what I do...the Hoover Dam is a really good tour, and if you go on I-15 to California, be sure to stop in Baker, home of the World's Largest Thermometer, and buy a lottery ticket. They have a weird percentage of winners there. The Bonnie and Clyde Death Car is in the Primm Valley Casino right at the state line, btw, so I always stop to "pay respects", lol! THere is also the 3rd tallest roller coaster in the world, there, the Desperado. It is a freaking nightmare. I love it, but dear hubby got a nosebleed.

And if you rent a car, be sure to get permission to go out of state in your paperwork, even from Nevada to Az and Ca. They have been tracking cars with GPS and fining people enormously! Its heinous.

[beemer]

Just be nocturnal, that's what I do...the Hoover Dam is a really good tour, and if you go on I-15 to California, be sure to stop in Baker, home of the World's Largest Thermometer, and buy a lottery ticket. They have a weird percentage of winners there. The Bonnie and Clyde Death Car is in the Primm Valley Casino right at the state line, btw, so I always stop to "pay respects", lol! THere is also the 3rd tallest roller coaster in the world, there, the Desperado. It is a freaking nightmare. I love it, but dear hubby got a nosebleed.

And if you rent a car, be sure to get permission to go out of state in your paperwork, even from Nevada to Az and Ca. They have been tracking cars with GPS and fining people enormously! Its heinous.

Thanks BoB your the best-great info :beer:

[beemer]

Yes those Bichons are so adorable and so lovable.. but I don't think they are watch dogs. They seem to inspire ribbons in their beautiful hair.. lol! I never had a good watch dog. All of our dogs were capable of telling the thieves where he house keys were hidden. They didn't love me. I want a normal dog. Why can't I have a normal dog? Like Lassie.. :(
Then u need to get a Collie. Yep Freeway would have let anyone take what they wished especially if they fed him. Then again i wonder-we also had a cat and if ANY cat came near Levi he would tear after like death. Stop short bout an inch from them and turn around in the yard. So ya neva know for sure.

[Nawny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saw_OxY-jMU

Has anyone seen Marley and Me? Great movie!

[beemer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saw_OxY-jMU

Has anyone seen Marley and Me? Great movie!

Oh yes but the book is ten times better-I laughed my azz off during the whole book. Till the end. Very well written.

[Nawny]

Time to smile! :)

Hysterical doen't discribe this kid. LOL!!






http://thetravisty.com/Man_Show_Boy/wmv/Girl_Scout_Cookies.htm



http://www.whoomp.com/articles/51/1/Man-Show-Boy-Beer-Stand

[old_soul]

I haven't checked yet, but even if you noticed a thread on this, it's worth repeating..............

Toll house Cookies, the refridgerated kind are to be thrown out if you have 'em in the fridge. Nestle has a warning/recall out, this product may be tainted with E COLI...Cooking will not kill the E COLI, and just touching it can be dangerous.

Edy's Ice cream and others also contain Toll house Cookie Dough, so be careful and read your labels!

Toll House is the only one I like and usually buy :(, so I think it's important to pass this message along, as many of us buy it for our kiddies (or their moms)...:)

[BeastofBears]

I haven't checked yet, but even if you noticed a thread on this, it's worth repeating..............

Toll house Cookies, the refridgerated kind are to be thrown out if you have 'em in the fridge. Nestle has a warning/recall out, this product may be tainted with E COLI...Cooking will not kill the E COLI, and just touching it can be dangerous.

Edy's Ice cream and others also contain Toll house Cookie Dough, so be careful and read your labels!

Toll House is the only one I like and usually buy :(, so I think it's important to pass this message along, as many of us buy it for our kiddies (or their moms)...:)

My mom frantically called me about this on every phone I own, too. Every other week I have this in the fridge, so thank you for passing it on to people like me!

[BeastofBears]

Thanks BoB your the best-great info :beer:

*sigh* At least I can do Vegas vicariously through you.

Of course, Nawny's trip to Disneyland inspired me to successfully conspire to go there...so maybe Vegas will be next, lol!

[BeastofBears]

Okay, I feel like whining.

Remember that "spider bite" I thought I had behind my ear? Turns out, nope not a spider, its something called "mastoiditis", and infection in that bone projection behind the ear. Ow! The antibiotics have been improving it some, I no longer have a softball sized feverish swelling on my head, but it still hurts! And it better be GONE before I go to Disneyland, or it will NOT be the happiest place on earth. Why do I have to get something weird and rare so close to a road trip? aaargh.:mad:

Thanks, needed to vent.

[Nawny]

Okay, I feel like whining.

Remember that "spider bite" I thought I had behind my ear? Turns out, nope not a spider, its something called "mastoiditis", and infection in that bone projection behind the ear. Ow! The antibiotics have been improving it some, I no longer have a softball sized feverish swelling on my head, but it still hurts! And it better be GONE before I go to Disneyland, or it will NOT be the happiest place on earth. Why do I have to get something weird and rare so close to a road trip? aaargh.:mad:

Thanks, needed to vent.

Ouch! Poor baby! When are you leaving for Disney? Antibiotics will make it go away and you know you have o take all of them, right?

[old_soul]

Okay, I feel like whining.

Remember that "spider bite" I thought I had behind my ear? Turns out, nope not a spider, its something called "mastoiditis", and infection in that bone projection behind the ear. Ow! The antibiotics have been improving it some, I no longer have a softball sized feverish swelling on my head, but it still hurts! And it better be GONE before I go to Disneyland, or it will NOT be the happiest place on earth. Why do I have to get something weird and rare so close to a road trip? aaargh.:mad:

Thanks, needed to vent.

What the Hey... no kidding?! I will Google that s**t, you know we always 'pop up' with one thing or another, (@#$%&!), thanks for letting us know, it's good to be informed! Don't worry, it will be gone before you go, you've suffered enough already!

I missed a lot of postings in the past few weeks...wasn't it your little peanut that had to wear her head thingee? (CRS ya know) How did everything turn out?

[samanthajane13]

Gator-

Glad you're not crying anymore. We've cried ole Gator a river, haven't we?

I'm sure he's looking down and watching over you, and asking himself why those crazy humans get so worked up, when he's feeling sooo much better and he's in such a great place!!

Just thought I'd let you know-any mixed breed with poodle, bichon, maltese, or lhasa tend to be VERY hypo-allergenic-especially when they're a combo of the above, with no other breeds mixed in-like lhasa-poo, bichon-poo, malti-poo, etc.

Hope this helps in the future!!!

Hugs-
Donna

[BeastofBears]

Ouch! Poor baby! When are you leaving for Disney? Antibiotics will make it go away and you know you have o take all of them, right?

Oh, yeah, and its way more than 10 days worth...I'll have a week to figure out if I'm cured or not before I go, so that's good at least...thanks, it feels better to whine :)

[BeastofBears]

What the Hey... no kidding?! I will Google that s**t, you know we always 'pop up' with one thing or another, (@#$%&!), thanks for letting us know, it's good to be informed! Don't worry, it will be gone before you go, you've suffered enough already!

I missed a lot of postings in the past few weeks...wasn't it your little peanut that had to wear her head thingee? (CRS ya know) How did everything turn out?

Yeah, actually, it would be good for people to look up mastoiditis and learn the symptoms, since it is known as The Silent Killer. Yeah, no kidding, if you don't pay attention to the symptoms it can kill you. I freaked myself out! But its improving...

And, yes, the foul helmet...1.5 more weeks. We could have taken it off Tuesday, but the doctor is a perfectionist and we agreed on 2 more weeks, then we can bonfire it. If I can get hubby to keep it on, because he has had it...thank you for asking. I will post fireworks when that puppy comes off. Its like a cast. It smells. Poor baby. I guess we all have cranial abnormalities in the house...at least Hanne's and mine are physical, hehe...

[Nawny]

Oh, yeah, and its way more than 10 days worth...I'll have a week to figure out if I'm cured or not before I go, so that's good at least...thanks, it feels better to whine :)

Oh isn't it true that we never get to whine. We're too busy taking care of everyone else. Surrounded by need bags, arsenic hours and whines from the peanut gallery. No one cares about momma, if she's hungry, tired or in pain! COmere, nawny will fix.. (I do love to take care of people honestly!) When someone in my family is hurting, I make ceremony of it.. Hope you're getting rest. :(

[Nawny]

Nawny gowin night night now.. :)

Prayer for poor Caylee on its way.:rose: May she romp around heaven all day...

[mu8shark]

From BoB's link:



Ethically, the information within veterinary medical records is considered privileged and confidential. It must not be released except by court order or consent of the owner of the patient.
Veterinarians are obligated to provide copies or summaries of medical records when requested by the client. Veterinarians should secure a written release to document that request. When I worked for them, they never ever got a written document signed to release the records. The current vet said it is standard accepted practice throughout the state that when a new vet calls you fax them period. I got my email from the BB Bureau and they sent the vet a copy of the complaint. Next week when I am off I am filing a complaint with the state vet board. Thanks so much guys for all the feedback. I don't get mad at every little thing in life but those dogs mean the world to me!

[BeastofBears]

When I worked for them, they never ever got a written document signed to release the records. The current vet said it is standard accepted practice throughout the state that when a new vet calls you fax them period. I got my email from the BB Bureau and they sent the vet a copy of the complaint. Next week when I am off I am filing a complaint with the state vet board. Thanks so much guys for all the feedback. I don't get mad at every little thing in life but those dogs mean the world to me!

You get 'em, Mu! How dare they hold an innocent animals medical records hostage. It is outrageous, to quote Judge Judy! Medical records are sacrosanct.

[BeastofBears]

Oh isn't it true that we never get to whine. We're too busy taking care of everyone else. Surrounded by need bags, arsenic hours and whines from the peanut gallery. No one cares about momma, if she's hungry, tired or in pain! COmere, nawny will fix.. (I do love to take care of people honestly!) When someone in my family is hurting, I make ceremony of it.. Hope you're getting rest. :(

LOL! That sums it up! So your head hurts? Hurry up and change the diapers, feed the kids, keep on that learning schedule, where's my lunch, where's my dinner, did you get the car smogged yet?...yeah, no one around the house wants to hear whining.

thanks.

[Marian Paroo]

Mine's confused, too, but we're cracking open a nice Valpolicella tonight in honor of the dog-boo. :beer:

:)A fine way to honour a friend.

I opened a bottle two years ago (don't worry, I have since) and drank it all during a through the night read of the last book of the Harry Potter series!

[Gatordog]

Yes those Bichons are so adorable and so lovable.. but I don't think they are watch dogs. They seem to inspire ribbons in their beautiful hair.. lol! I never had a good watch dog. All of our dogs were capable of telling the thieves where he house keys were hidden. They didn't love me. I want a normal dog. Why can't I have a normal dog? Like Lassie.. :(

Nawny, Timmy's in the well! Before we go, can I have a shot of Baileys?


http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-028.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Gatordog]

Yeah, actually, it would be good for people to look up mastoiditis and learn the symptoms, since it is known as The Silent Killer. Yeah, no kidding, if you don't pay attention to the symptoms it can kill you. I freaked myself out! But its improving...

And, yes, the foul helmet...1.5 more weeks. We could have taken it off Tuesday, but the doctor is a perfectionist and we agreed on 2 more weeks, then we can bonfire it. If I can get hubby to keep it on, because he has had it...thank you for asking. I will post fireworks when that puppy comes off. Its like a cast. It smells. Poor baby. I guess we all have cranial abnormalities in the house...at least Hanne's and mine are physical, hehe...

Java - is this you? I've missed you or thought I did. I thought maybe you were at Disney and that we had another archeologist on board. Duh.

I thought of you because when Gator was on his last rites, I hand fed him a whole bag of his favorites - Snausages!

gator

[old_soul]

"To He** with Timmy....where's the Baileys?"
http://i42.tinypic.com/imlyq9.gif

[BeastofBears]

:)A fine way to honour a friend.

I opened a bottle two years ago (don't worry, I have since) and drank it all during a through the night read of the last book of the Harry Potter series!

It takes me back to Venice...when we started to get worried about the cost of the trip, we began ordering the anonymous red table wine instead of the named stuff. Turned out, it was great local Valpolicella, came in these big stoneware jugs, just wonderful, better than any of the fancy stuff. The tourists who stick to "safety" miss out! (Of course, they also often 'miss out' on experiencing the local medical clinic, lol!)

[Nawny]

Nawny, Timmy's in the well! Before we go, can I have a shot of Baileys?


http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-028.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

:seeya:

[Nawny]

It takes me back to Venice...when we started to get worried about the cost of the trip, we began ordering the anonymous red table wine instead of the named stuff. Turned out, it was great local Valpolicella, came in these big stoneware jugs, just wonderful, better than any of the fancy stuff. The tourists who stick to "safety" miss out! (Of course, they also often 'miss out' on experiencing the local medical clinic, lol!)


Ahh yes! In Italy they serve wine in those jugs sometimes with fruit floating in there. Peaches pears, yummy! I was as sober as a judge in Italy.. :eek:

[Nawny]

"To He** with Timmy....where's the Baileys?"
http://i42.tinypic.com/imlyq9.gif

It's still in my frontal lobes from Thursday night. ;)

[Nawny]

This site is great. Just insert your address and all the felons in your neighborhood show up.. Those SOB's are everywhere! I just did my own address and saw a few. They seem to be near the country clubs rather than the poor areas.. eh? eh?

http://www.felonspy.com/search.html

[Gatordog]

:beer:

Happy Father's day to you Dads out there.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

:beer:

Happy Father's day to you Dads out there.

Gator

I just read that Gator passed while I was gone. I am so sorry. I have no idea how I will get through losing my kitties. I am glad you are feeling better. sara

[deacon]

:beer:

Happy Father's day to you Dads out there.

Gator

Thank you. My son just left to go back home.:seeya:

[lighthousedazy]

This site is great. Just insert your address and all the felons in your neighborhood show up.. Those SOB's are everywhere! I just did my own address and saw a few. They seem to be near the country clubs rather than the poor areas.. eh? eh?

http://www.felonspy.com/search.htmlNawny, that website is questionable. I have seen this one before. I ran the address where my brother lives and where I grew up. It is very rural and there are no houses where it shows some of these people are living. lol. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/felonspy.asp

A better one to try might be this site. Not sure though. http://criminalsearches.com/neighborhood/default.aspx

[Nawny]

Nawny, that website is questionable. I have seen this one before. I ran the address where my brother lives and where I grew up. It is very rural and there are no houses where it shows some of these people are living. lol. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/felonspy.asp

A better one to try might be this site. Not sure though. http://criminalsearches.com/neighborhood/default.aspx

Uh oh! The scammers got me again! Must be a site the A's run!

Edit... yep, that works!

Thank you. :)

[lighthousedazy]

Uh oh! The scammers got me again! Must be a site the A's run!

Edit... yep, that works!

Thank you. :)
So funny, they get us all sometimes. One time when I checked my childhood neighborhood, this site showed felons living in the woods and in the church cemetary. I knew everybody buried at that cemetary and none ever got in trouble with the law, (that I know of). :biggrin:

[deacon]

When we look at a case like this one, what do we really expect? That we will find all of the answers to questions about what went wrong? Sorry, we are not, as a society, going to say what went wrong becasue as a group we don't or do not want to see it.

What type of person is set up today to be heros for people? Paris Hilton? Lindsey Lohan? Atheletes who "cheat" at their sports by taking banned substances? HGH, Steriods? Those are the people who are placed in front of us every day. The ones our young, and in some circumstances, every looks at as being cool. People who think it is more important to "win at any cost" or be, what they think, is happy at any cost. What ever it takes to have a "good time", that is what they do. It doesn't matter who gets hurt, destroyed or even killed as long as we have a good time.

Well, how does the justice system and media tell us that is what we should do? Simple, by either not making these celebrities take the punishment for what they have done or by continueing to put them in the news with their "spin". We look to movie stars as the ideal in looks and actions regardless of what they do. Why don't we look at the people who do good in the world? You know, the ones who put others ahead of themselves. The ones you never read about because they are going to places and people who need their help and doing what they can to make anothers life easier. You never see them on the "news". You never see them on NG or other TH programs. Why? We don't want to know about them. They are not glamorous enough.

Just my thoughts. These actions breed people like casey. She acts just like these people she just took it father than most.:flamemad:

[Nawny]

When we look at a case like this one, what do we really expect? That we will find all of the answers to questions about what went wrong? Sorry, we are not, as a society, going to say what went wrong because as a group we don't or do not want to see it.

What type of person is set up today to be heroes for people? Paris Hilton? Lindsey Lohan? Athletes who "cheat" at their sports by taking banned substances? HGH, Steroids? Those are the people who are placed in front of us every day. The ones our young, and in some circumstances, every looks at as being cool. People who think it is more important to "win at any cost" or be, what they think, is happy at any cost. What ever it takes to have a "good time", that is what they do. It doesn't matter who gets hurt, destroyed or even killed as long as we have a good time.

Well, how does the justice system and media tell us that is what we should do? Simple, by either not making these celebrities take the punishment for what they have done or by continueing to put them in the news with their "spin". We look to movie stars as the ideal in looks and actions regardless of what they do. Why don't we look at the people who do good in the world? You know, the ones who put others ahead of themselves. The ones you never read about because they are going to places and people who need their help and doing what they can to make another's life easier. You never see them on the "news". You never see them on NG or other TH programs. Why? We don't want to know about them. They are not glamorous enough.

Just my thoughts. These actions breed people like Casey. She acts just like these people she just took it father than most.:flamemad:


Mornin deacon :seeya:

I don't know how old you are, I'm thinking you're a baby boomer? And yes, I've been worried about the new generation, the one after me and the one after that. It's true; they're lacking moral integrity and the ones who were raised to respect the laws have to live amongst them.
It isn't easy when a teenager questions what their peers are doing these days. Safe perimeters seems to have vanished.

When you see today's work force lacking efficiency and the "I don't care" attitudes of those placed in responsible positions sludge our world. Nawny's pet peeve! I have always felt that my own baby boomer generation caused the problem. Woodstock and the anti establishment format gave rise to the sort of subtle revolution that went nowhere. Drugs ruined my peers and those peers had children and those children are having children now who are walking the streets with belly button rings, tattoos exposing their back cracks begging to be raped, taunting the sexual deviants. Seems all about disrespect for themselves? THe decline of patriotism and religion can be part of the problem. I call the Liar's generation the "Gimmi Generation" How can they achieve anything when there is no challenge, no reward, and no concept of punishment?

Yes, CA had no idea what she wanted, so she took it all, made her own rules and had no respect for human life. It's generational alright and we know that when we see teens texting behind the wheel of their cars while driving on the turnpike. And when we see 21 year old mothers killing their children because they require time, care and work.

But, I have hope. I see a change however small. Even NG is giving mention to our heroes. The engines of right and wrong are in the field of questions. Someone has to go out there and bring those two things back home so we can begin to live in the kind of world our parents helped build. When the fear of God and respect for one another undo the damage maybe we can save future generations. ??? I will keep hope in my heart or wince every day at what I'm seeing.

(Can you imagine Paris Hilton comforting a crying infant all night?)

[Gatordog]

Mornin deacon :seeya:

I don't know how old you are, I'm thinking you're a baby boomer? And yes, I've been worried about the new generation, the one after me and the one after that. It's true; they're lacking moral integrity and the ones who were raised to respect the laws have to live amongst them.
It isn't easy when a teenager questions what their peers are doing these days. Safe perimeters seems to have vanished.

When you see today's work force lacking efficiency and the "I don't care" attitudes of those placed in responsible positions sludge our world. Nawny's pet peeve! I have always felt that my own baby boomer generation caused the problem. Woodstock and the anti establishment format gave rise to the sort of subtle revolution that went nowhere. Drugs ruined my peers and those peers had children and those children are having children now who are walking the streets with belly button rings, tattoos exposing their back cracks begging to be raped, taunting the sexual deviants. Seems all about disrespect for themselves? THe decline of patriotism and religion can be part of the problem. I call the Liar's generation the "Gimmi Generation" How can they achieve anything when there is no challenge, no reward, and no concept of punishment?

Yes, CA had no idea what she wanted, so she took it all, made her own rules and had no respect for human life. It's generational alright and we know that when we see teens texting behind the wheel of their cars while driving on the turnpike. And when we see 21 year old mothers killing their children because they require time, care and work.

But, I have hope. I see a change however small. Even NG is giving mention to our heroes. The engines of right and wrong are in the field of questions. Someone has to go out there and bring those two things back home so we can begin to live in the kind of world our parents helped build. When the fear of God and respect for one another undo the damage maybe we can save future generations. ??? I will keep hope in my heart or wince every day at what I'm seeing.

(Can you imagine Paris Hilton comforting a crying infant all night?)

Whaaaaaaat?? She couldn't even take care of a 3 lb dog. Her neighbors kept complaining because her little dogs would get out of the house and be found in the street!

The best role models are parents. Parents need to set discipline and show love. Parents who let their children run wild or have everything they want are only raising brats. My brothers did great jobs with their children. Granted, one is a screwball, but she's a good person and a genius so we cut her a little slack. Her mother is a screwball so it's inherited, plus, when people are too smart, they lack something else. But all five kids, now adults, would all say that their fathers are their best friends and most admired people.

Gator

[Nawny]

Whaaaaaaat?? She couldn't even take care of a 3 lb dog. Her neighbors kept complaining because her little dogs would get out of the house and be found in the street!

The best role models are parents. Parents need to set discipline and show love. Parents who let their children run wild or have everything they want are only raising brats. My brothers did great jobs with their children. Granted, one is a screwball, but she's a good person and a genius so we cut her a little slack. Her mother is a screwball so it's inherited, plus, when people are too smart, they lack something else. But all five kids, now adults, would all say that their fathers are their best friends and most admired people.

Gator

:) Yep, some of us jumped ship !!! :)

:beer: Gotta love the "screwballs!"

[Nawny]

Just want to let all of you sunshine people that it is still raining and cold, since May. I am now wearing a thick jersey top and a sweater because I have to go return a too small dress to Macy's. Grrr.... Yesterday at the indoor cookout, I didn't care, today I care. I ate myself stupid.. couldn't help it. There was Italian bread, pasta salads, potato salads, taco salad, Bri with honey and walnuts, a huge Boston cream pie, covered with nuts, and the usual grill. I wish I never taught my daughters how to cook and they have no right cooking better than I ever did. :(

I told them off! :cuss:

;)

[deacon]

Mornin deacon :seeya:

Snipped for space.
(Can you imagine Paris Hilton comforting a crying infant all night?)

No, and I can see her "hiring a nanny" which is what casey claims she did even though we know she didn't. That is my point, I'll bet you taht PH is one of her hero's. No responsibility, no need to follow laws, my name and money will fix anything.

I really fail to see why we continue to fixate on that bunch of people from hollywierd. I absolutely refuse to go to a movie for that exact reason. I refuse to "support" that bunch of irresponsilbe people.

[JLette]

Mornin deacon :seeya:

I don't know how old you are, I'm thinking you're a baby boomer? And yes, I've been worried about the new generation, the one after me and the one after that. It's true; they're lacking moral integrity and the ones who were raised to respect the laws have to live amongst them.
It isn't easy when a teenager questions what their peers are doing these days. Safe perimeters seems to have vanished.

When you see today's work force lacking efficiency and the "I don't care" attitudes of those placed in responsible positions sludge our world. Nawny's pet peeve! I have always felt that my own baby boomer generation caused the problem. Woodstock and the anti establishment format gave rise to the sort of subtle revolution that went nowhere. Drugs ruined my peers and those peers had children and those children are having children now who are walking the streets with belly button rings, tattoos exposing their back cracks begging to be raped, taunting the sexual deviants. Seems all about disrespect for themselves? THe decline of patriotism and religion can be part of the problem. I call the Liar's generation the "Gimmi Generation" How can they achieve anything when there is no challenge, no reward, and no concept of punishment?

Yes, CA had no idea what she wanted, so she took it all, made her own rules and had no respect for human life. It's generational alright and we know that when we see teens texting behind the wheel of their cars while driving on the turnpike. And when we see 21 year old mothers killing their children because they require time, care and work.

But, I have hope. I see a change however small. Even NG is giving mention to our heroes. The engines of right and wrong are in the field of questions. Someone has to go out there and bring those two things back home so we can begin to live in the kind of world our parents helped build. When the fear of God and respect for one another undo the damage maybe we can save future generations. ??? I will keep hope in my heart or wince every day at what I'm seeing.

(Can you imagine Paris Hilton comforting a crying infant all night?)


your post as well as deacons before that made me think of this movie called Idiocracy....starring Luke Wilson. the basic plot is that while we think that in the future people are going to get smarter and smarter and society will become more sophisticated that in reality we are going through a dumbing down process that will result in a world of idiots. Luke wilsons character is a slacker moron who works for the government as some kind of librarian and the government wants to test a new method of freezing people for storage, so they take him because he is basically worthless, and they accidently freeze him for 500 years instead of just one. when he is thawed out, he is the smartest man on the planet.

i am unfortunately part of the gimme generation, but i think that the fact that i can take a step back and look at that and see what is wrong with my own generation may set me apart from them. i don't have a job but when i did work i had a strong work ethic thanks mostly to my dad for how he raised me, unfortunately my mother is another CA so she was no help.

[deacon]

your post as well as deacons before that made me think of this movie called Idiocracy....starring Luke Wilson. the basic plot is that while we think that in the future people are going to get smarter and smarter and society will become more sophisticated that in reality we are going through a dumbing down process that will result in a world of idiots. Luke wilsons character is a slacker moron who works for the government as some kind of librarian and the government wants to test a new method of freezing people for storage, so they take him because he is basically worthless, and they accidently freeze him for 500 years instead of just one. when he is thawed out, he is the smartest man on the planet.

i am unfortunately part of the gimme generation, but i think that the fact that i can take a step back and look at that and see what is wrong with my own generation may set me apart from them. i don't have a job but when i did work i had a strong work ethic thanks mostly to my dad for how he raised me, unfortunately my mother is another CA so she was no help.

And that is the secret. Someone, in your case your father, raised you in that manner. Too many other families bought into the thought that we should not correct our children because it was being negative and we should not be negative with our children. The time to train a child is when they are young and learn quickly. If you wait they will have to "unlearn" the concept of "you are always right" or "if it feel good do it."

I am not okay and you are not okay. We ALL make mistakes. We have to learn to admit our mistakes and learn from them. If we teach our children that they are always right and the rest of the world is wrong we end up with a bunch of people who can not get along with each other. Boy, don't we have that problem now? I remember when, as a teen, we would have never thought of taking a gun and shooting someone although we had learned to use a gun at a young age. We were taught to control our temper and small children and therfore did not even think of it. Now it is a common reaction. Someone makes you mad, no problem, just shoot them. Of sufficate them or poison them.

[old_soul]

Not changing your topic guys...just wanted to post this here.

Please Pray for these people..dear God...the world is going to s**t in a handbasket........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghLnZB27QE

Neda...Rest in Peace :rose: http://i41.tinypic.com/2nvw4n.jpg

:(

[JLette]

And that is the secret. Someone, in your case your father, raised you in that manner. Too many other families bought into the thought that we should not correct our children because it was being negative and we should not be negative with our children. The time to train a child is when they are young and learn quickly. If you wait they will have to "unlearn" the concept of "you are always right" or "if it feel good do it."

I am not okay and you are not okay. We ALL make mistakes. We have to learn to admit our mistakes and learn from them. If we teach our children that they are always right and the rest of the world is wrong we end up with a bunch of people who can not get along with each other. Boy, don't we have that problem now? I remember when, as a teen, we would have never thought of taking a gun and shooting someone although we had learned to use a gun at a young age. We were taught to control our temper and small children and therfore did not even think of it. Now it is a common reaction. Someone makes you mad, no problem, just shoot them. Of sufficate them or poison them.


it really saddens and angers me that people from my generation started all this school shooting BS and all these single mothers who quite frankly should have known better than to get pregnant in the first place are having babies and then when they tire of them they either pawn them on family or just kill them, anything to make yourself happy nowadays.

i was born in 1985, i am turning 24 in July and i have a son turning 4 in september and another one on the way due in september. i cannot imagine putting myself before my children, if we have enough food for one person to eat then my son will eat before me, thats just the way it is. i always thought i should have been born long before i was because i just don't fit in with the people my age

[JLette]

oh yea, today is my glucose screening test day, lol the one i was supposed to do last monday. hope no one decides to have their baby today and steals my doc again...wish me luck

:seeya:

[deacon]

oh yea, today is my glucose screening test day, lol the one i was supposed to do last monday. hope no one decides to have their baby today and steals my doc again...wish me luck

:seeya:

Good luck. You are about the same age as my son.:)

[Nawny]

your post as well as deacons before that made me think of this movie called Idiocracy....starring Luke Wilson. the basic plot is that while we think that in the future people are going to get smarter and smarter and society will become more sophisticated that in reality we are going through a dumbing down process that will result in a world of idiots. Luke wilsons character is a slacker moron who works for the government as some kind of librarian and the government wants to test a new method of freezing people for storage, so they take him because he is basically worthless, and they accidentally freeze him for 500 years instead of just one. when he is thawed out, he is the smartest man on the planet.

i am unfortunately part of the gimme generation, but i think that the fact that i can take a step back and look at that and see what is wrong with my own generation may set me apart from them. i don't have a job but when i did work i had a strong work ethic thanks mostly to my dad for how he raised me, unfortunately my mother is another CA so she was no help.

You are so bright and so tuned in to the problems in the world I was shocked when I found out how young you are!
I don't know how some of your generation escaped and certainly a lot of you are brilliant. When my kids were graduating college I saw the Asians taking most of the scholarships. A lot of them were born in war torn countries and had less then even my parents generation but they strived and took advantage of opportunity. I'm guessing that the less children get, the better they do.


When Casey whined in jail that she lost everything.. "Everything in my life has been taken!" I wanted to say, Oooo poorrr Fkn Youuuuu! Is it her fault she's a spoiled brat? :shrug: It is all she knows.


I want to see that movie :)

[Nawny]

Not changing your topic guys...just wanted to post this here.

Please Pray for these people..dear God...the world is going to s**t in a handbasket........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghLnZB27QE

Neda...Rest in Peace :rose: http://i41.tinypic.com/2nvw4n.jpg

:(

Thank you OS.. :(

[BeastofBears]

Not changing your topic guys...just wanted to post this here.

Please Pray for these people..dear God...the world is going to s**t in a handbasket........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghLnZB27QE

Neda...Rest in Peace :rose: http://i41.tinypic.com/2nvw4n.jpg

:(

This was a shot heard round the world. She is already being called the Shahid Neda (Martyr Neda). That Basiji on the motorcycle made a big mistake. She may not get a funeral, but that statue of her will look real nice in Azadi Square once they manage to take that government down. But it won't happen overnight.

[deacon]

This was a shot heard round the world. She is already being called the Shahid Neda (Martyr Neda). That Basiji on the motorcycle made a big mistake. She may not get a funeral, but that statue of her will look real nice in Azadi Square once they manage to take that government down. But it won't happen overnight.

Sickening. And people think they have it bad here.

:rose: for Shahid Neda

[BeastofBears]

Sickening. And people think they have it bad here.

:rose: for Shahid Neda

I'm not normally a huffingtonpost fan, but they have been liveblogging the events, and under the liveblog there's an automatically updating Twitter Tweets section. It is a cyberwar! Information, disinformation, misinformation, government agents hunting tweeters, planning new flashmobs and strikes, spreading word that coca-cola counteracts tear gas on skin...amazing stuff.

If anyone has a Twitter account, it is being requested that we change our location and time zone to Tehran to confuse the government agents trying to find people located in Tehran. So, just spreading that word. Maybe it will save a life.

[deacon]

I'm not normally a huffingtonpost fan, but they have been liveblogging the events, and under the liveblog there's an automatically updating Twitter Tweets section. It is a cyberwar! Information, disinformation, misinformation, government agents hunting tweeters, planning new flashmobs and strikes, spreading word that coca-cola counteracts tear gas on skin...amazing stuff.

If anyone has a Twitter account, it is being requested that we change our location and time zone to Tehran to confuse the government agents trying to find people located in Tehran. So, just spreading that word. Maybe it will save a life.


I hate to say this but those people in that region have been killing each other at a very high rate for 2,000 years or more and will never quit. They are what we are trying to become. A nation that cares only for themselves and their ideology. There are a lot of people in this country I do not agree with but I will not kill my fellow man to get my way. It is all about greed. Greed for power.

I just hope we do not get involved in this one too. It will not help, only hurt. There have been many, many people killed and injured in this mess. It is evil incarnate.

[BeastofBears]

I hate to say this but those people in that region have been killing each other at a very high rate for 2,000 years or more and will never quit. They are what we are trying to become. A nation that cares only for themselves and their ideology. There are a lot of people in this country I do not agree with but I will not kill my fellow man to get my way. It is all about greed. Greed for power.

I just hope we do not get involved in this one too. It will not help, only hurt. There have been many, many people killed and injured in this mess. It is evil incarnate.

Nothing will end it faster than the US getting involved. We need to let the kids on twitter alone be the voice of support from us, otherwise, the ME will think we're involved, imo.

[old_soul]

As noted, Germany and France have added their 2 cents...but are they willing to put themselves out there like America would? No word from China about this, but The Iranians who want peace are begging for our help. Rightfully so, Obama is being very restrained in what he is saying about this..we are involved in too many others problems, and being a World Leader and peacemaker for the rest of the world is sucking the life out of us...we are paying dearly..in human lives and $.

I watched the 2 views of Neda's death. One by a doctor who ran to help, but it was too late ~ his friend fillmed the chaos and Neda's death. The other was put on air after being posted to Facebook. The propaganda being put out there by scumbag Ahmahdinejad is that it's being done (killings) by terrorists. Meanwhile a 3rd video snuck out shows Neda and her father just standing there watching, moments before she was shot. The cowardly sniper shot her because she was an easy target..just standing still. Not even part of the protests! She was just a beautiful 16 year old philosophy student. Because of the hysteria, she was buried hurriedly under cover, not even a memorial to her life and tragic death.

33 Iranian journalists and bloggers have been arrested, and foreign press has been barred from the streets to blind the world to what he is doing. Text messaging has been down for 2 weeks. The mobile phone network is partially shut down and web sites critical of scumbag 'A' are blocked. They are not broadcasting the truth of what is going on.

This is very scary and heartbreaking to see. This man is a tyrant, and it seems he does not care about the deaths..as long as he gets his way. We must not shake hands or invite this animal back to America. Ever Again.

Prayers. :rose:
Neda RIP :rose:

[SaraSidle]

Just want to let all of you sunshine people that it is still raining and cold, since May. I am now wearing a thick jersey top and a sweater because I have to go return a too small dress to Macy's. Grrr.... Yesterday at the indoor cookout, I didn't care, today I care. I ate myself stupid.. couldn't help it. There was Italian bread, pasta salads, potato salads, taco salad, Bri with honey and walnuts, a huge Boston cream pie, covered with nuts, and the usual grill. I wish I never taught my daughters how to cook and they have no right cooking better than I ever did. :(

I told them off! :cuss:

;)


as well as you should. you made me full just listening. we went to a potluck last tuesday for a memorial and all the above was there except for the brie thank goodness or I would have eaten that whole thing myself....sara

[SaraSidle]

good night everyone...........sara

[lighthousedazy]

good night everyone...........sara
Goodnight Sara. Hope you are feeling better.

[lighthousedazy]

As noted, Germany and France have added their 2 cents...but are they willing to put themselves out there like America would? No word from China about this, but The Iranians who want peace are begging for our help. Rightfully so, Obama is being very restrained in what he is saying about this..we are involved in too many others problems, and being a World Leader and peacemaker for the rest of the world is sucking the life out of us...we are paying dearly..in human lives and $.

I watched the 2 views of Neda's death. One by a doctor who ran to help, but it was too late ~ his friend fillmed the chaos and Neda's death. The other was put on air after being posted to Facebook. The propaganda being put out there by scumbag Ahmahdinejad is that it's being done (killings) by terrorists. Meanwhile a 3rd video snuck out shows Neda and her father just standing there watching, moments before she was shot. The cowardly sniper shot her because she was an easy target..just standing still. Not even part of the protests! She was just a beautiful 16 year old philosophy student. Because of the hysteria, she was buried hurriedly under cover, not even a memorial to her life and tragic death.

33 Iranian journalists and bloggers have been arrested, and foreign press has been barred from the streets to blind the world to what he is doing. Text messaging has been down for 2 weeks. The mobile phone network is partially shut down and web sites critical of scumbag 'A' are blocked. They are not broadcasting the truth of what is going on.

This is very scary and heartbreaking to see. This man is a tyrant, and it seems he does not care about the deaths..as long as he gets his way. We must not shake hands or invite this animal back to America. Ever Again.

Prayers. :rose:
Neda RIP :rose:Exactly. but I think they are getting through. Neda's death is not in vain. I do wish the circumstances could have been different. She is a martyr, a Joan of ARC. Good will triumph. We have got to believe that. :rose:

[deacon]

As noted, Germany and France have added their 2 cents...but are they willing to put themselves out there like America would? No word from China about this, but The Iranians who want peace are begging for our help. Rightfully so, Obama is being very restrained in what he is saying about this..we are involved in too many others problems, and being a World Leader and peacemaker for the rest of the world is sucking the life out of us...we are paying dearly..in human lives and $.

I watched the 2 views of Neda's death. One by a doctor who ran to help, but it was too late ~ his friend fillmed the chaos and Neda's death. The other was put on air after being posted to Facebook. The propaganda being put out there by scumbag Ahmahdinejad is that it's being done (killings) by terrorists. Meanwhile a 3rd video snuck out shows Neda and her father just standing there watching, moments before she was shot. The cowardly sniper shot her because she was an easy target..just standing still. Not even part of the protests! She was just a beautiful 16 year old philosophy student. Because of the hysteria, she was buried hurriedly under cover, not even a memorial to her life and tragic death.

33 Iranian journalists and bloggers have been arrested, and foreign press has been barred from the streets to blind the world to what he is doing. Text messaging has been down for 2 weeks. The mobile phone network is partially shut down and web sites critical of scumbag 'A' are blocked. They are not broadcasting the truth of what is going on.

This is very scary and heartbreaking to see. This man is a tyrant, and it seems he does not care about the deaths..as long as he gets his way. We must not shake hands or invite this animal back to America. Ever Again.

Prayers. :rose:
Neda RIP :rose:


That, seriously, sounds like most of the CEOs of American companies. They don'g care about the death and distruction of people here as long as they get their way. And we do nothing.

[Nawny]

Exactly. but I think they are getting through. Neda's death is not in vain. I do wish the circumstances could have been different. She is a martyr, a Joan of ARC. Good will triumph. We have got to believe that. :rose:


Life and war are synonymous where Neda died. Why she had to die that way could never make sense to an American such as myself. Why any of them die the way they do doesn't make sense to me. I don't know that kind of war. But I know humanity and it is still broken no matter where we look.

Sunday, Father's day, a news report from Ontario showed three teens killed by a drunk driver as they walked on a sidewalk. The police had to visit three homes and tell three fathers that their child was killed. My heart felt punched when I read that. As for America helping the Iranians attain freedom, our cup isn't' that full. IMO. We haven't yet figured out how to get out of our own way and I suspect that if there was anything in it for us, we'd be involved already. (Sorry Uncle Sam but you're a greedball):mad:

We need to sweep around our own back door. We're babies compared to them. Iran has been at war longer than America has been in existance. (WAY longer) I'm not in favor of sacrificing our young men and women for their cause. How would that serve us? We could wipe them out with one finger. JMOO



Thank you for the Jonathan quote! My forever favorite story!

[deacon]

Life and war are synonymous where Neda died. Why she had to die that way could never make sense to an American such as myself. Why any of them die the way they do doesn't make sense to me. I don't know that kind of war. But I know humanity and it is still broken no matter where we look.

Sunday, Father's day, a news report from Ontario showed three teens killed by a drunk driver as they walked on a sidewalk. The police had to visit three homes and tell three fathers that their child was killed. My heart felt punched when I read that. As for America helping the Iranians attain freedom, our cup isn't' that full. IMO. We haven't yet figured out how to get out of our own way and I suspect that if there was anything in it for us, we'd be involved already. (Sorry Uncle Sam but you're a greedball):mad:

We need to sweep around our own back door. We're babies compared to them. Iran has been at war longer than America has been in existance. (WAY longer) I'm not in favor of sacrificing our young men and women for their cause. How would that serve us? We could wipe them out with one finger. JMOO



Thank you for the Jonathan quote! My forever favorite story!


And they don't want our help. That is the real problem. You can't help someone who doesn't want it. We seem to think we have the answers to the world's problems and we don't even understand our own. We have children who go to bed hungry every night whose parents want to be able to provide for them but can't find a job because some greedy ceo must have a new yacht. (or what ever other toy he wants) Then they turn and blame labor. Give me a break.

[beemer]

Mornin all :seeya:

[Marian Paroo]

... but I'm not sure that "shaheed" can be used for a secular martyr.

But maybe Farsi is different from Arabic.

I wouldn't sit around waiting for things to get better. Especially for women.

Unfortunately, it seems that things have just gotten worse since 2001, esp. in countries such as Iraq, which may have been H@ll under Saddam, but at least it was a secular H@ll where women could study and dress in western clothing.

[old_soul]

Life and war are synonymous where Neda died. Why she had to die that way could never make sense to an American such as myself. Why any of them die the way they do doesn't make sense to me. I don't know that kind of war. But I know humanity and it is still broken no matter where we look.

Sunday, Father's day, a news report from Ontario showed three teens killed by a drunk driver as they walked on a sidewalk. The police had to visit three homes and tell three fathers that their child was killed. My heart felt punched when I read that. As for America helping the Iranians attain freedom, our cup isn't' that full. IMO. We haven't yet figured out how to get out of our own way and I suspect that if there was anything in it for us, we'd be involved already. (Sorry Uncle Sam but you're a greedball):mad:

We need to sweep around our own back door. We're babies compared to them. Iran has been at war longer than America has been in existance. (WAY longer) I'm not in favor of sacrificing our young men and women for their cause. How would that serve us? We could wipe them out with one finger. JMOO



Thank you for the Jonathan quote! My forever favorite story!


America itself was built on the backs of millions upon millions of lives...we are no different than they. Our history shows: We have always been fighting, for ourselves and what we want, against others. We have always sacrificed our young for what we have felt was important to make America a world power. In their case, the generation now wants what we have attained and Scumbag 'A' still thinks he will keep a tyrannical hold on those people like generations before. So did Saddam. So did Hitler, and so many more. Look at the people of China, and North Korea. The time is coming for these people to be able to think and voice their feelings, instead of hiding it and being killed for it.

It is in our best interest to try to help, but without getting involved to the point of violence. The UN is supposed to do these things, but look at North Korea, and look at Iraq and look at Iran..their figureheads don't want to play nice. Their ignorance is astounding. We have been letting them get away with murder. keyword....sanctions. Get 'em where it hurts.

I don't feel Neda is a martyr. A martyr is one who willingly sacrifices their life or their personal freedom in order to futher a cause for their beliefs. Neda was just a kid, who stood there watching the carnage around her. We do not know if she wanted to flee her country and live a peaceful life studying philosophy in New York or Boston. So many Persians have done this after 1979's uprising, which this mimics. No, this girl was just an innocent. A tyrant has chosen to sacrifice her for his greedy self.

Those filthy rich CEO's who have made billions on the back of Americans should have been/should be the ones sharing their wealth with the children and families who have no food or homes..it's nice to take, but they don't want to share or give back..excess, more is better. More important than feeding hungry homeless children? Pffft.

As we can see, Paris Hilton is a good example of that greed, and what happens. :rolleyes:

[old_soul]

... but I'm not sure that "shaheed" can be used for a secular martyr.

But maybe Farsi is different from Arabic.

I wouldn't sit around waiting for things to get better. Especially for women.

Unfortunately, it seems that things have just gotten worse since 2001, esp. in countries such as Iraq, which may have been H@ll under Saddam, but at least it was a secular H@ll where women could study and dress in western clothing.



Hi Marian! I found this...Islam
Main article: Martyr (shahid)
In Arabic, a martyr is termed "shaheed" (literally, "witness," as in the Greek root of the English word). The word shaheed appears in the Quran in a variety of contexts, including witnessing to righteousness (Quran 2:143), witnessing a financial transaction (Quran 2:282) and dying in a religiously sanctioned battle (Quran 3:140). The word also appears with these various meanings in the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad

Secular Martyrdom in Iran

http://www.reason.com/news/show/33867.html

I feel, As humans, as thinking people...these folks deserve more, don't you agree?

[deacon]

*snipped for space*
Those filthy rich CEO's who have made billions on the back of Americans should have been/should be the ones sharing their wealth with the children and families who have no food or homes..it's nice to take, but they don't want to share or give back..excess, more is better. More important than feeding hungry homeless children? Pffft.

As we can see, Paris Hilton is a good example of that greed, and what happens. :rolleyes:

How right you are. The biggest problem with the people who call themselves "business leaders" today is greed. Not capitalism but greed and oh, there is a really big difference. The only time any of those people "give" is when it will get them on tv and make them more money. Oprah included. All of them. The shame of this is that we teach them this in college. They are taught to hoard, to make money at any cost. Look where that got us.

Another problem I see with this country is that we give too much "voice" and attention to celebrities. What makes them special? They can act? (do you know the Greek word for actor?) They can sing? That does not make them competent to speak on world peace or how other countries or this country should be run. We value education? Most of these people either just finished high school or never did and we take what they say about the world and its works as golden. I don't have much use for celebrities in that vein. I love sports. Speciall racing but I would not give you 2 cents for any race car drivers opinion on foriegn policy. And I surely wouldn't ask paris or lindsey about it.:mad:

[BeastofBears]

America itself was built on the backs of millions upon millions of lives...we are no different than they. Our history shows: We have always been fighting, for ourselves and what we want, against others. We have always sacrificed our young for what we have felt was important to make America a world power. In their case, the generation now wants what we have attained and Scumbag 'A' still thinks he will keep a tyrannical hold on those people like generations before. So did Saddam. So did Hitler, and so many more. Look at the people of China, and North Korea. The time is coming for these people to be able to think and voice their feelings, instead of hiding it and being killed for it.

It is in our best interest to try to help, but without getting involved to the point of violence. The UN is supposed to do these things, but look at North Korea, and look at Iraq and look at Iran..their figureheads don't want to play nice. Their ignorance is astounding. We have been letting them get away with murder. keyword....sanctions. Get 'em where it hurts.

I don't feel Neda is a martyr. A martyr is one who willingly sacrifices their life or their personal freedom in order to futher a cause for their beliefs. Neda was just a kid, who stood there watching the carnage around her. We do not know if she wanted to flee her country and live a peaceful life studying philosophy in New York or Boston. So many Persians have done this after 1979's uprising, which this mimics. No, this girl was just an innocent. A tyrant has chosen to sacrifice her for his greedy self.

Those filthy rich CEO's who have made billions on the back of Americans should have been/should be the ones sharing their wealth with the children and families who have no food or homes..it's nice to take, but they don't want to share or give back..excess, more is better. More important than feeding hungry homeless children? Pffft.

As we can see, Paris Hilton is a good example of that greed, and what happens. :rolleyes:

She did not matryr herself, but she has been styled a martyr by the movement against Ahmadinejad...people have imprinted the role on her, and martyrs were "needed" for this. Now the mourning cycle can kick in...just like in 1979. But what comes of all of it, better or worse? Only time will tell.

As for Neda personally, her fiance said she did not even have a strong preference between the candidates, just wanted freedom. Sounded like an average person who just wanted to live her life, like most people here and in those wartorn countries. It may seem nuts there, but even in the worst places, 95% or people just want to have a family, go to work, and get by. Its the other 5% that ruins it for everyone else...moo.

[deacon]

She did not matryr herself, but she has been styled a martyr by the movement against Ahmadinejad...people have imprinted the role on her, and martyrs were "needed" for this. Now the mourning cycle can kick in...just like in 1979. But what comes of all of it, better or worse? Only time will tell.

As for Neda personally, her fiance said she did not even have a strong preference between the candidates, just wanted freedom. Sounded like an average person who just wanted to live her life, like most people here and in those wartorn countries. It may seem nuts there, but even in the worst places, 95% or people just want to have a family, go to work, and get by. Its the other 5% that ruins it for everyone else...moo.

I think that would be more like 30%/70%. It is just that the 70% will not stand and do what they need to to make it happen.

This guy reminds me of sadam insane.

[BeastofBears]

How right you are. The biggest problem with the people who call themselves "business leaders" today is greed. Not capitalism but greed and oh, there is a really big difference. The only time any of those people "give" is when it will get them on tv and make them more money. Oprah included. All of them. The shame of this is that we teach them this in college. They are taught to hoard, to make money at any cost. Look where that got us.

Another problem I see with this country is that we give too much "voice" and attention to celebrities. What makes them special? They can act? (do you know the Greek word for actor?) They can sing? That does not make them competent to speak on world peace or how other countries or this country should be run. We value education? Most of these people either just finished high school or never did and we take what they say about the world and its works as golden. I don't have much use for celebrities in that vein. I love sports. Speciall racing but I would not give you 2 cents for any race car drivers opinion on foriegn policy. And I surely wouldn't ask paris or lindsey about it.:mad:

We live in a celebritocracy, deacon. It's pathetic. One hope I have for the younger generation is seeing things like what's happening in Iran. I know Tiananmen made a big impression on me, and so did the Berlin wall coming down. You win some, you lose some, but there's something bigger in this world than just floating around. For some of them, there is nothing upstairs to make an impression on, of course...

And for those protesters in Denver carrying signs that said "This is what a Police State looks like" ummm, no: Tehran is what a police state looks like.

moo.

[BeastofBears]

I think that would be more like 30%/70%. It is just that the 70% will not stand and do what they need to to make it happen.

This guy reminds me of sadam insane.

Except Saddam didn't think he was on a Mission from God. Ahmadi widened the streets people are marching in for the parades he will throw for the Mahdi...the apocalyptic nature of this 13th Mahdi theology is truly frightening. Nothing scarier than someone who thinks their plan is God's plan...and in charge of a potential nuclear power. Dark days coming...imo, no one could be worse than A, except maybe Khamenei...

I really do think the vast majority of people just want to live life, though. Only 5% at most are willing to step up to violence, imo. And I think that is throughout human behavior, not confined to location. Some people are just wired to go there, they're the warriors. But this is not a scientifically based opinion, just empirical.

[BeastofBears]

... but I'm not sure that "shaheed" can be used for a secular martyr.

But maybe Farsi is different from Arabic.

I wouldn't sit around waiting for things to get better. Especially for women.

Unfortunately, it seems that things have just gotten worse since 2001, esp. in countries such as Iraq, which may have been H@ll under Saddam, but at least it was a secular H@ll where women could study and dress in western clothing.

It's kind of "funny" that the "Islamic Republic" seems to be more "liberal" on women's issues than Iraqi society...except when they go through waves of whacking stylish women with sticks, of course.

That might change big time now, though...

[old_soul]

My husband and I have had this discussion recently because of the economy situation..

A Rod makes $27.5 Million a year..how can anyone justify that? Harrison Ford made $65 Mil for the newest Indiana Jones..Tom Cruise made $67 Mil in one year! For what? Because a guy can hit a baseball, or play act?

What about the research scientists and best cancer doctors who are striving to eradicate the Altzheimers and the diseases that are killing us. Think they are making that kind of money? Missplaced adoration for BS. Greed and ignorance to think a baseball player, football player or an actor deserves that. How about these hip hop moguls...15 cars all tricked out, trillion dollar homes, and they originally sold crack on the streets ~ they can't even speak correctly!

On one hand, sports used to be for the 'working man', a way to enjoy family time going to a game and getting hotdogs, rooting for your favorite team. After a long work week, thr season was so special. Now, those same people cannot afford tickets to a game, never mind the season. It's cheaper to fly to another state and watch your team play on the other teams turf than it is to buy a fricken ticket in your own home town! Greed, and you are so right, damn pathetic.

Money has become everything, and the value of people has gone down. There is something bigger in this world...when will people learn from what is going on around them? What really matters.

[deacon]

My husband and I have had this discussion recently because of the economy situation..

A Rod makes $27.5 Million a year..how can anyone justify that? Harrison Ford made $65 Mil for the newest Indiana Jones..Tom Cruise made $67 Mil in one year! For what? Because a guy can hit a baseball, or play act?

What about the research scientists and best cancer doctors who are striving to eradicate the Altzheimers and the diseases that are killing us. Think they are making that kind of money? Missplaced adoration for BS. Greed and ignorance to think a baseball player, football player or an actor deserves that. How about these hip hop moguls...15 cars all tricked out, trillion dollar homes, and they originally sold crack on the streets ~ they can't even speak correctly!

On one hand, sports used to be for the 'working man', a way to enjoy family time going to a game and getting hotdogs, rooting for your favorite team. After a long work week, thr season was so special. Now, those same people cannot afford tickets to a game, never mind the season. It's cheaper to fly to another state and watch your team play on the other teams turf than it is to buy a fricken ticket in your own home town! Greed, and you are so right, damn pathetic.

Money has become everything, and the value of people has gone down. There is something bigger in this world...when will people learn from what is going on around them? What really matters.

Why does this happen? Because sheeple will pay to see it. People pack the box office when the newest movie comes out so they can be the first to see it and tell all of their friends. People will pay the cost of going to professional sports. Why? Have no idea. The last movie I went to see was "Days Of Thunder." Care to see how long that has been? Never have been to a big league ball game. Sure, we had a minor league team in my home town for a while and my family would go once or twice a week. Total cost was maybe $30 including food at the game. Big league? Ain't no way I'll pay for that.

If we would stop paying to see it you would see that change. The problem I have with pros sports is that they don't play it for the love of the game anymore. They play it for business. That is why the "performance enhancing" drugs showed up. All for the love of the buck.

Too many people forget that it says "the LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil." Not money, but the love of money. I guess families don't sit and talk anymore and they wonder why their kids don't listen. Duhhhhh we don't talk to them anymore.

[old_soul]

Except Saddam didn't think he was on a Mission from God. Ahmadi widened the streets people are marching in for the parades he will throw for the Mahdi...the apocalyptic nature of this 13th Mahdi theology is truly frightening. Nothing scarier than someone who thinks their plan is God's plan...and in charge of a potential nuclear power. Dark days coming...imo, no one could be worse than A, except maybe Khamenei...

I really do think the vast majority of people just want to live life, though. Only 5% at most are willing to step up to violence, imo. And I think that is throughout human behavior, not confined to location. Some people are just wired to go there, they're the warriors. But this is not a scientifically based opinion, just empirical.


'A' is evil incarnate. Jeez, you can see it in his eyes..a diabolical madman.http://i43.tinypic.com/123xe0n.jpg..Remember when he was here in the US, and he spit right in our faces practically, then spouted about how his country has no gays etc, etc. The guy is like Hitler..CRAZY.

Many of those who are under his thumb are frightened so much, they won't squeak a word against him. They are so afraid of what he would do to their family, and next door neighbors will rat out each other rather than have the wrath on Them. Much like the school bully who has his lackeys, He keeps them where they are by fear, not respect. Better to have him pick on them..not me..better to keep quiet.

This recent uproar went on with the belief that the 'safety in numbers' and so many against the rigged election would change something......
All they want to do is just live life.

[deacon]

Don't answer this too quickly. Think about it for a while.

Do you REALLY think you have freedom here?

Think hard now, not for a few minutes. In light of how things have been going for the last 10 years, are you really free now?

[Nawny]

:(That, seriously, sounds like most of the CEOs of American companies. They don'g care about the death and distruction of people here as long as they get their way. And we do nothing.

We got them by the short hairs lately. :O It's been going on for along time but no one realized it. When Blue Cross began to cost us $900. dollars a month for poppa and I, it was a clue. We switched to United Health... not too much cheaper. The insurance industry is one of the biggest culprits. :cuss: It's a game of domino's because those who cannot afford insurance are getting the same health care (no problem with that) but it raises our premiums. At the same time hospitals are closing down. The care is awful and I dread the thought of Socialized medicine. :shrug: We all need night jobs just for health care.

Ah, we're floundering.

[old_soul]

Don't answer this too quickly. Think about it for a while.

Do you REALLY think you have freedom here?

Think hard now, not for a few minutes. In light of how things have been going for the last 10 years, are you really free now?

The Prez is on the news now with a Special Report. He is making it clear, we don't know how we will respond yet, we will watch and wait. He is stating, keeping terrorists out of our country and keeping Irans nuclear capabilities at bay is our main focus.

That being said, I will ponder your question much in the meantime. I will ask this...

What is the definition of Freedom? For each person asked, we will get a different answer, so....

Am I free to go about and walk the streets without the encumberances of clothing to hide that I am a woman?
Am I free to voice my opine in elections?
Am I free to have girl children, more than 1, without fear of a 2nd being put to death?
Am I free to have a career of my liking? Am I free to not work if I chose?
Am I free just live my life placidly and not get killed while I watch others voice their fears, or voice their different ideas than another who has control of us?
Can I pray to any God I choose ~ or none at all?
Can I say, do, go, be, want, have,... anything ?

Yes to all of the above..it makes me proud to be an American, and proud for the battles that were fought to get us here. We really do have it better than anywhere else in the world when we make a list and compare.

How about you?
:patriot: :)

[deacon]

:(

We got them by the short hairs lately. :O It's been going on for along time but no one realized it. When Blue Cross began to cost us $900. dollars a month for poppa and I, it was a clue. We switched to United Health... not too much cheaper. The insurance industry is one of the biggest culprits. :cuss: It's a game of domino's because those who cannot afford insurance are getting the same health care (no problem with that) but it raises our premiums. At the same time hospitals are closing down. The care is awful and I dread the thought of Socialized medicine. :shrug: We all need night jobs just for health care.

Ah, we're floundering.

Go to the fox news site and read the article about the myths of healthcare reform. Just read it. eye opening.

[Nawny]

Don't answer this too quickly. Think about it for a while.

Do you REALLY think you have freedom here?

Think hard now, not for a few minutes. In light of how things have been going for the last 10 years, are you really free now?

Nah, I'm just a number that big brother is always watching. And yet, I've traveled out of the country often, and there is no other place I'd rather live. We got it soft, IMO. There are ten leaner's to every one lifter, but that's the common denominator on the entire planet.

[Nawny]

America itself was built on the backs of millions upon millions of lives...we are no different than they. Our history shows: We have always been fighting, for ourselves and what we want, against others. We have always sacrificed our young for what we have felt was important to make America a world power. In their case, the generation now wants what we have attained and Scumbag 'A' still thinks he will keep a tyrannical hold on those people like generations before. So did Saddam. So did Hitler, and so many more. Look at the people of China, and North Korea. The time is coming for these people to be able to think and voice their feelings, instead of hiding it and being killed for it.It is in our best interest to try to help, but without getting involved to the point of violence. The UN is supposed to do these things, but look at North Korea, and look at Iraq and look at Iran..their figureheads don't want to play nice. Their ignorance is astounding. We have been letting them get away with murder. keyword....sanctions. Get 'em where it hurts.

I don't feel Neda is a martyr. A martyr is one who willingly sacrifices their life or their personal freedom in order to futher a cause for their beliefs. Neda was just a kid, who stood there watching the carnage around her. We do not know if she wanted to flee her country and live a peaceful life studying philosophy in New York or Boston. So many Persians have done this after 1979's uprising, which this mimics. No, this girl was just an innocent. A tyrant has chosen to sacrifice her for his greedy self.

Those filthy rich CEO's who have made billions on the back of Americans should have been/should be the ones sharing their wealth with the children and families who have no food or homes..it's nice to take, but they don't want to share or give back..excess, more is better. More important than feeding hungry homeless children? Pffft.

As we can see, Paris Hilton is a good example of that greed, and what happens. :rolleyes:

Yes goomadda, yes. All true. Only in America could Paris maintain... but the bottom always falls out of those kinds of lives. It's just a matter of time. She'll get old, and she'll be alone while the poor people are embracing the families they sacrificed for. IMO

[Marian Paroo]

It's kind of "funny" that the "Islamic Republic" seems to be more "liberal" on women's issues than Iraqi society...except when they go through waves of whacking stylish women with sticks, of course.

That might change big time now, though...

No, no and no.

If you want an idea of just how horrible Iran is for women, read, Reading Lolita in Iran, but an English teacher living there. It's more than whacking stylish women with sticks.

There is nothing liberal vis a vis women in the Islamic Republic, and by the way, there are some rabbis here that want to adopt and adapt their ideas here. :(

[deacon]

The Prez is on the news now with a Special Report. He is making it clear, we don't know how we will respond yet, we will watch and wait. He is stating, keeping terrorists out of our country and keeping Irans nuclear capabilities at bay is our main focus.

That being said, I will ponder your question much in the meantime. I will ask this...

What is the definition of Freedom? For each person asked, we will get a different answer, so....

Am I free to go about and walk the streets without the encumberances of clothing to hide that I am a woman?
Am I free to voice my opine in elections?
Am I free to have girl children, more than 1, without fear of a 2nd being put to death?
Am I free to have a career of my liking? Am I free to not work if I chose?
Am I free just live my life placidly and not get killed while I watch others voice their fears, or voice their different ideas than another who has control of us?Can I pray to any God I choose ~ or none at all?
Can I say, do, go, be, want, have,... anything ?

Yes to all of the above..it makes me proud to be an American, and proud for the battles that were fought to get us here. We really do have it better than anywhere else in the world when we make a list and compare.

How about you?
:patriot: :)

While I am patriot, I have to say we are losing our freedoms every day. The two I have bold are ones that we really do not have. Our careers are controlled by the same greedy ceo's we have been talking about as well as the government. Think about it.

As for being safe and being able to live without fear of being killed, no. We are in danger every day from criminals who operate outside of fear of the law so, no we don't have the freedom to live without fear. The criminals have all of the rights and we seem to have none.

Is it freedom when a sportsman has to have the approval of government to buy the needed equipment to participate in the sport (legal) of his choice? In spite of a constitutional ammendment saying I have that right? I can not buy a rifle for hunting without the approval of the government.

Is it freedom when someone can tell me what I can have in my front yard and what I can not? (HOA's and some cities) No, it is, after all, private property and belongs to me. I pay several levels of government to say I own the property and in return they tell me that I can not have over a certain size AMERICAN flag in my yard.

Is it freedom when people use their vote or the courts to advance their agenda through lies and deception? No.

Is it freedom when the color of my skin still decides whether I get a job or not now that the pendalum has swung in the other direction? Nope it is no more right in one direction than it is in the other.

We are losing our freedoms daily. Now it seems people are being told whether they can smoke in their own cars or not. Intersting that I should mention that when I don't smoke. And yes, they are trying their best to take prayer away too. Wait and see.

[SaraSidle]

My husband and I have had this discussion recently because of the economy situation..

A Rod makes $27.5 Million a year..how can anyone justify that? Harrison Ford made $65 Mil for the newest Indiana Jones..Tom Cruise made $67 Mil in one year! For what? Because a guy can hit a baseball, or play act?

What about the research scientists and best cancer doctors who are striving to eradicate the Altzheimers and the diseases that are killing us. Think they are making that kind of money? Missplaced adoration for BS. Greed and ignorance to think a baseball player, football player or an actor deserves that. How about these hip hop moguls...15 cars all tricked out, trillion dollar homes, and they originally sold crack on the streets ~ they can't even speak correctly!

On one hand, sports used to be for the 'working man', a way to enjoy family time going to a game and getting hotdogs, rooting for your favorite team. After a long work week, thr season was so special. Now, those same people cannot afford tickets to a game, never mind the season. It's cheaper to fly to another state and watch your team play on the other teams turf than it is to buy a fricken ticket in your own home town! Greed, and you are so right, damn pathetic.

Money has become everything, and the value of people has gone down. There is something bigger in this world...when will people learn from what is going on around them? What really matters.

I totally agree OS. DH and I have had he same problems with it. USA and rich celebrities are helping out all these countries and not their own. WE have so many hungry homeless and sick people in our own country and why can't they be helped first. Makes me too mad to talk about it.....sara

[Marian Paroo]

Oh, the author of Reading Lolita in Tehran is Azar Hafisi. An excellent, excellent read to see just how horribly off women are there.

By the way, the allowed age of marriage for girls in Iran is nine.

[BeastofBears]

Don't answer this too quickly. Think about it for a while.

Do you REALLY think you have freedom here?

Think hard now, not for a few minutes. In light of how things have been going for the last 10 years, are you really free now?

I know that I am not free to speak my political views, as it will affect not only my social life but my ability to get/keep a job. I know that my car was vandalized because I had an American flag sticker on the bumper, and the officer who responded asked what I expected would happen. I know that I was prevented from voting for more than 20 minutes once the poll worker noted my affiliation, and I was told that we had to wait for "more of your kind" to come. Everyone else was allowed to vote while I stood demanding to vote. Do I feel that I would be in danger of being shot if I marched? No. But do I risk being assaulted by thugs if I do so? Yes. Have I been pressured into verbally supporting a candidate I did not support in the voting booth? Yes.

I feel threatened and increasingly so. This isn't what America is supposed to be.

[BeastofBears]

No, no and no.

If you want an idea of just how horrible Iran is for women, read, Reading Lolita in Iran, but an English teacher living there. It's more than whacking stylish women with sticks.

There is nothing liberal vis a vis women in the Islamic Republic, and by the way, there are some rabbis here that want to adopt and adapt their ideas here. :(

I have read it. BoB can read :) and there is a reason the word "liberal" was in " "s.

The women of Iran push back. I look at the amount of hair visible in Iran, the clothing, the percentage of women in the universities, the medical profession, etc. These are the result of women pushing back. The mullahs fear them, and that is why there are periodic re-repressions aimed at the women, which I refer to as shorthand, whacking with sticks, which does often happen in the streets. Do I know that they are also shoved into unmarked cars and disappeared? Of course. But these waves of repression are the result of an educated and brave female population pushing for more.

Sorry, life looks a lot more "liberal" for women in Iran than what I see in Iraq, as the result of their own efforts. Not going to either place to do personal investigation, however. And things are also very likely very changed, now that they have seen the women in the streets fighting. They will be even more afraid of them now, as they should be.

moo.

[BeastofBears]

Oh, the author of Reading Lolita in Tehran is Azar Hafisi. An excellent, excellent read to see just how horribly off women are there.

By the way, the allowed age of marriage for girls in Iran is nine.

Here is the legal age for all countries:
http://data.un.org/DocumentData.aspx?id=126

And to clarify, in case it isn't clear: No good comes of the Mullahs. I was expressing respect for the women of Iran for resisting.

[deacon]

Concerned about health care? Read this.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186763,00.html

Some not so true things being said.:shrug:

[old_soul]

From the dawn of time, indeed, back to cavemen, there has always been humans who lie cheat and steal. I think it's a (human weakness) and just part of being human. It's who we are. There's good and bad, always has been. Adam and Eve, the apple....

That's where many of our woes enter....deacon, you believe government has their hands in your right to bear arms and how you go about getting them...but, remember, at one time everyone had fricken guns, and that law that you despise so much was made to control the rogue part of society...the bad ruined it for the good. Considering the amount of people, there had to be some control placed upon society because they couldn't be trusted themselves. We might not like it, but we can understand where it came from..and that still doesn't make it fair, in all fairness to you.

Another thing was about people of color and the like..discrimination. Another situation that has always been around. Black have dealt with it, immigrants have dealt with it, Women have dealt with it ..varying degrees by all accounts..Slavery.... Jews and the Holocost.... Throughout time, everyone has had their taste of it. I am not comparing one to the other, because you can't compare one horror to another in many of these situations.

We do have the freedom to choose where we live and if we want a HOA dictating what we can put on our lawn...For every 5 of us, there are 5 of them..we can make change by banding together. I don't see that Iranians or the people of Iraq have these choices, so yes, we do have the freedom, but there are limits.........Political corruptness..I'm with you on that brother...but how did those SOB get there in the first place?!

BoB, why would you have to verbally support a candidate you wouldn't vote for? BS.

Right now in NY, SOB Bloomberg, who hasn't one iota of what it is like to pay out the a** in taxes and everything else, & has been getting away with murder. People can't smoke outside even, never mind the bars etc, but other states are jumpin right on that bandwagon. Taxing us to drive into NY to work, he is out of control...did I vote for this SOB? Nope.

We are going to have to get him out and do damage control on so many counts.....

So much we have to stand up for, my friends, but I would rather be here, than living Over THERE...

Any Day.

[BeastofBears]

From the dawn of time, indeed, back to cavemen, there has always been humans who lie cheat and steal. I think it's a (human weakness) and just part of being human. It's who we are. There's good and bad, always has been. Adam and Eve, the apple....

That's where many of our woes enter....deacon, you believe government has their hands in your right to bear arms and how you go about getting them...but, remember, at one time everyone had fricken guns, and that law that you despise so much was made to control the rogue part of society...the bad ruined it for the good. Considering the amount of people, there had to be some control placed upon society because they couldn't be trusted themselves. We might not like it, but we can understand where it came from..and that still doesn't make it fair, in all fairness to you.

Another thing was about people of color and the like..discrimination. Another situation that has always been around. Black have dealt with it, immigrants have dealt with it, Women have dealt with it ..varying degrees by all accounts..Slavery.... Jews and the Holocost.... Throughout time, everyone has had their taste of it. I am not comparing one to the other, because you can't compare one horror to another in many of these situations.

We do have the freedom to choose where we live and if we want a HOA dictating what we can put on our lawn...For every 5 of us, there are 5 of them..we can make change by banding together. I don't see that Iranians or the people of Iraq have these choices, so yes, we do have the freedom, but there are limits.........Political corruptness..I'm with you on that brother...but how did those SOB get there in the first place?!

BoB, why would you have to verbally support a candidate you wouldn't vote for? BS.

Right now in NY, SOB Bloomberg, who hasn't one iota of what it is like to pay out the a** in taxes and everything else, & has been getting away with murder. People can't smoke outside even, never mind the bars etc, but other states are jumpin right on that bandwagon. Taxing us to drive into NY to work, he is out of control...did I vote for this SOB? Nope.

We are going to have to get him out and do damage control on so many counts.....

So much we have to stand up for, my friends, but I would rather be here, than living Over THERE...

Any Day.

You don't live in my neighborhood. Seriously. Do you really think there is no intimidation of voters going on on either side, depending on where you are? I had fear for the physical safety of my house and those in it if I expressed my true voting plans.

And I would still choose to live nowhere else. We have to protect our freedoms, and become civil again. Debate and discussion, not coercion, name-calling and fear.

moo.

[deacon]

So much we have to stand up for, my friends, but I would rather be here, than living Over THERE...

Any Day.

I'll discuss this with you if you make me one promise. Don't get mad a me. I like you as a poster and this discussion isn't worth you getting mad at me. Okay?:patriot:

[old_soul]

I'll discuss this with you if you make me one promise. Don't get mad a me. I like you as a poster and this discussion isn't worth you getting mad at me. Okay?:patriot:

deacon I could never get mad at you! We all have different life experiences, and this venue is as good as any to be enlightened about things I don't know about in life that you might know ~ and visa versa.

Understand though, that I am one to say ~ be part of the solution, not part of the problem. I tell my husband this constantly because if one feels so strongly about something that is affecting them, the key is that we are not able to change others, but we can do something about how WE handle it.

Otherwise, we all would be ticking time bombs, healthwise, and psychologically.

If you feel uncomfortable about our conversation, tell me..I would not risk our friendship, especially one with a man that has as much respect for women as you. :). I will promise to do the same, ok?

[DrewBerry]

Hello EVERYONE!
Just a quick note to say hello and let everyone know how much I've missed conversing. I was discharged yesterday from hospital after having emergency surgery to remove my gall bladder last week. Wasn't expecting that one! ANYWAY, if anyone has a similar experience and can shed some light on the healing process, let me know. I've been struggling.
Also, after moving 3 weeks ago, I finally got internet service connected today. Looks like I'm finally 'comin' around! I'll write more when I'm on the mend.
Take care, all!
DrewB

[lighthousedazy]

Hello EVERYONE!
Just a quick note to say hello and let everyone know how much I've missed conversing. I was discharged yesterday from hospital after having emergency surgery to remove my gall bladder last week. Wasn't expecting that one! ANYWAY, if anyone has a similar experience and can shed some light on the healing process, let me know. I've been struggling.
Also, after moving 3 weeks ago, I finally got internet service connected today. Looks like I'm finally 'comin' around! I'll write more when I'm on the mend.
Take care, all!
DrewB
Hi Drew and welcome back. I hope you are feeling better very soon.

[SaraSidle]

Hello EVERYONE!
Just a quick note to say hello and let everyone know how much I've missed conversing. I was discharged yesterday from hospital after having emergency surgery to remove my gall bladder last week. Wasn't expecting that one! ANYWAY, if anyone has a similar experience and can shed some light on the healing process, let me know. I've been struggling.
Also, after moving 3 weeks ago, I finally got internet service connected today. Looks like I'm finally 'comin' around! I'll write more when I'm on the mend.
Take care, all!
DrewB

You need lots of rest and I know that is not the easiest thing to do after moving. sara

[BeastofBears]

Hello EVERYONE!
Just a quick note to say hello and let everyone know how much I've missed conversing. I was discharged yesterday from hospital after having emergency surgery to remove my gall bladder last week. Wasn't expecting that one! ANYWAY, if anyone has a similar experience and can shed some light on the healing process, let me know. I've been struggling.
Also, after moving 3 weeks ago, I finally got internet service connected today. Looks like I'm finally 'comin' around! I'll write more when I'm on the mend.
Take care, all!
DrewB

Oooh, sorry you had surgery, but glad you're back and ~okay...never had abdominal surgery, good luck with that...but if they gave you any physical therapy, be sure to do it no matter how much it hurts. I slacked when my knee was done and recovery was longer. Feel better soon!

BoB

[BeastofBears]

You need lots of rest and I know that is not the easiest thing to do after moving. sara

Good to see you again, Sara!

[samanthajane13]

Drew-

Hope you mend soon!!! We've missed you!!

Sara-

Where you been, girl-friend??? Missed you, too!!!


BIG HUGS for both of you!!!
Donna

[SaraSidle]

Drew-

Hope you mend soon!!! We've missed you!!

Sara-

Where you been, girl-friend??? Missed you, too!!!


BIG HUGS for both of you!!!
Donna

Hey Donna, I have been sick and in the hospital too but no surgery thank goodness. very tired though for a while. too tired to log on much less figure out what you were talking about on a post. but I am back and almost 100%. Looks like you have been your busy self again all over the board. good job. how is Katey?

[samanthajane13]

Dang, Sara!!!

What did you do to yourself???

If you don't take care of yourself, nobody's gonna do it for ya!!!

Katey's good, and said "Hi!", I'm good, and our critters are all thriving, and God is good!!!

We're keeping ourselves busy between the pets and family.

Behave yourself and get better, kiddo!!!

Hugs-
Donna and Katey

[SaraSidle]

Dang, Sara!!!

What did you do to yourself???

If you don't take care of yourself, nobody's gonna do it for ya!!!

Katey's good, and said "Hi!", I'm good, and our critters are all thriving, and God is good!!!

We're keeping ourselves busy between the pets and family.

Behave yourself and get better, kiddo!!!

Hugs-
Donna and Katey

I am good now. Is Katey still going to college? my critters are still good too

[Nawny]

http://i43.tinypic.com/9h5c92.jpg
Muslim woman and her cell phone? Near the Nile.

http://i42.tinypic.com/k2erg4.jpg Just another bad neighborhood in Cairo. But they have cars! Man on man ,, do they have cars!

I couldn't live there. I am much too American. :( I believe we live in the best part of the awful world.

[Nawny]

Mornin all :seeya:

Alright you! Time to come home! BTW,, looks like rain today. :hat: Our agriculture is just about under water. The sun is hiding and it's almost july. Come home and bring the sunshine with ya!

[beemer]

Alright you! Time to come home! BTW,, looks like rain today. :hat: Our agriculture is just about under water. The sun is hiding and it's almost july. Come home and bring the sunshine with ya!

Hi Nawny and all :seeya: I have not left yet. New Yawkers are here and much visiting. We are pretty much ready to leave for the airport-not leaving till 3:00 p.m. Will arrive home here bout 7 a.m. ish on Tuesday. I'm just putting in time. So today here is going to be a humid 98. Same temp we will fly into only of course dry. That will be weird. I'm used to going from cold to warm. I will miss ya all. Still hanging here for a bit.

[beemer]

Sending good weather your way so break out the sun gogglies and sunscreen-bask away :cool:

[BeastofBears]

http://i43.tinypic.com/9h5c92.jpg
Muslim woman and her cell phone? Near the Nile.

http://i42.tinypic.com/k2erg4.jpg Just another bad neighborhood in Cairo. But they have cars! Man on man ,, do they have cars!

I couldn't live there. I am much too American. :( I believe we live in the best part of the awful world.

LOL!

When I was there, my friend Donna, hid our Cairo friend's car on the other side of the hotel entrance to pretend it was stolen. To "punish" her for her little joke, he made her drive us to the restaurant across Cairo. Donna driving in Cairo was on of the most terrifying moments of my life! I could NOT have done that!

Just an aside, if you think we have weird taxes here...You know how everything is kind of dingy in Egypt, unpainted, just kind of yucky? I found out why: buildings are not taxed until they are finished. So people leave the outside unfinished so they don't have to pay taxes! I went to a friend's house, thought it would be awful it was so bad outside. Inside, marble floors, gilding, it was a palace! Loophole city...

[deacon]

From the dawn of time, indeed, back to cavemen, there has always been humans who lie cheat and steal. I think it's a (human weakness) and just part of being human. It's who we are. There's good and bad, always has been. Adam and Eve, the apple....


Any Day.

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One mistaken idea we have gotten into our heads is that laws will stop criminals. From the beginning of time we have seen that does not work. As a society we pass "knee jerk" laws in the name of making this country a safer place to work and live and then do not enforce them. When someone breaks the law we slap them on the wrist and let them walk. Look at what the singer just got for beating the mess out of his girlfriend and then threatening to kill her. Nothing.

Our new gun laws, which I fought in every way I could, were passed with the presumtion that because it is now illegal to obtain a weapon without a background check(which when done reasonably, I don't mind). That is the so far from the truth that it isn't funny. What we did was simply make it more difficult and time consuming to purchase a gun for the law abiding citizens who actuall try to follow the law. I would bet the farm that I could go to my home town and buy a handgun on the street for not much more than I could in a store and not only would I not be checked, but I would, again, bet the farm, that it was stolen. Gun control laws will not stop criminals and gang members from getting weapons. Ain't no way, they after all, are criminals and do not abide by the laws that we pass.

On discrimination, I grew up in the south. Interesting to see that the most complaints about discrimination are now coming from the nothern states and not here in the south. We learned our lesson and have now taught our children that you make judgements about people based on the contents of their hearts, not the color of their skin. Oh, you left Christians off of your list. They have been face discrimination for thousands of years and it still continues. My point is, if discrimination is wrong, and it is, then why do we pass laws that perpetuate discrimination? You know, you will not end discrimination by discriminating against others. You simply shift the group that you discriminate against. I have worked for African Americans, Native Americans, Orientals, and Women, my favorite was the lady. She would at least listen.

As for HOA's they are about power trips and should be outlawed. As for having freedoms, I do not disagree BUT we do not have the freedoms that our Founding Fathers wanted to leave us. They have been slowly taken away in the name of public good and it is not for the public good. Hitler once said that to get total control of a country you had to disarm the citizens. I guess that is what our government is trying to do. Slowly take away our freedoms until we end up like Iran, Iraq or one of the African countries.

And, oh yea, I think we need to vote against anyone who hold office at this time because I can't decide who is messing this up the most so flush them all.

[BeastofBears]

Hi Nawny and all :seeya: I have not left yet. New Yawkers are here and much visiting. We are pretty much ready to leave for the airport-not leaving till 3:00 p.m. Will arrive home here bout 7 a.m. ish on Tuesday. I'm just putting in time. So today here is going to be a humid 98. Same temp we will fly into only of course dry. That will be weird. I'm used to going from cold to warm. I will miss ya all. Still hanging here for a bit.

You have my dream weather, Beemer! It's going to be very nice here today. Finally, nice and warm. I was sick of wearing sweaters in freakin' June!!!!!

[BeastofBears]

snipped for space

One mistaken idea we have gotten into our heads is that laws will stop criminals. From the beginning of time we have seen that does not work. As a society we pass "knee jerk" laws in the name of making this country a safer place to work and live and then do not enforce them. When someone breaks the law we slap them on the wrist and let them walk. Look at what the singer just got for beating the mess out of his girlfriend and then threatening to kill her. Nothing.

Our new gun laws, which I fought in every way I could, were passed with the presumtion that because it is now illegal to obtain a weapon without a background check(which when done reasonably, I don't mind). That is the so far from the truth that it isn't funny. What we did was simply make it more difficult and time consuming to purchase a gun for the law abiding citizens who actuall try to follow the law. I would bet the farm that I could go to my home town and buy a handgun on the street for not much more than I could in a store and not only would I not be checked, but I would, again, bet the farm, that it was stolen. Gun control laws will not stop criminals and gang members from getting weapons. Ain't no way, they after all, are criminals and do not abide by the laws that we pass.

On discrimination, I grew up in the south. Interesting to see that the most complaints about discrimination are now coming from the nothern states and not here in the south. We learned our lesson and have now taught our children that you make judgements about people based on the contents of their hearts, not the color of their skin. Oh, you left Christians off of your list. They have been face discrimination for thousands of years and it still continues. My point is, if discrimination is wrong, and it is, then why do we pass laws that perpetuate discrimination? You know, you will not end discrimination by discriminating against others. You simply shift the group that you discriminate against. I have worked for African Americans, Native Americans, Orientals, and Women, my favorite was the lady. She would at least listen.

As for HOA's they are about power trips and should be outlawed. As for having freedoms, I do not disagree BUT we do not have the freedoms that our Founding Fathers wanted to leave us. They have been slowly taken away in the name of public good and it is not for the public good. Hitler once said that to get total control of a country you had to disarm the citizens. I guess that is what our government is trying to do. Slowly take away our freedoms until we end up like Iran, Iraq or one of the African countries.

And, oh yea, I think we need to vote against anyone who hold office at this time because I can't decide who is messing this up the most so flush them all.

I cannot agree with you more on this, deacon! Career politicians who do not listen to their constituents, because they have the political machine behind them, they know they will be re-elected. I do not limit my assessment to party. I feel they are just two sides of the same coin. Its like a form of unlimited power...

And I too support the Second Amendment. I have taken formal firearms training, and feel confident because I know how to handle a weapon safely. Most people I know out here in Ca. have never touched a gun, and they fear what they do not know. Of course, all the gunfire nearby is not coming from legally purchased or owned weapons...

[deacon]

I cannot agree with you more on this, deacon! Career politicians who do not listen to their constituents, because they have the political machine behind them, they know they will be re-elected. I do not limit my assessment to party. I feel they are just two sides of the same coin. Its like a form of unlimited power...

And I too support the Second Amendment. I have taken formal firearms training, and feel confident because I know how to handle a weapon safely. Most people I know out here in Ca. have never touched a gun, and they fear what they do not know. Of course, all the gunfire nearby is not coming from legally purchased or owned weapons...

I do not support any party but make my decisions on voting on the person.

I guess a lot of people will actually believe that the guns that are being taken to Mexico were actually legal to begin with.

There is a fact that is backed up by the FBI that most people are amazed at. No one has ever been killed in the US by a legal fully automatic weapon. Never.

[deacon]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/ohio.missing.girl/index.html

I guess you may have seen this. She has been found.:beer:

[BeastofBears]

it's bad in Iran today. Reports a full massacre is apparently on...Hezbollah (!) pouring out of mosques with axes, dead being carried away by truck...tweets are coming from people running in the streets posting prayers. Ominously, fewer and fewer people are tweeting out by the hour...pray for them, please...

[deacon]

it's bad in Iran today. Reports a full massacre is apparently on...Hezbollah (!) pouring out of mosques with axes, dead being carried away by truck...tweets are coming from people running in the streets posting prayers. Ominously, fewer and fewer people are tweeting out by the hour...pray for them, please...

I always do and will continue to. These not so smart people will continue to kill others until the population decides to stand up and stop it. No other country can do it for them. They must do it themselves. People only have power over you when you let them have it.

[lighthousedazy]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/ohio.missing.girl/index.html

I guess you may have seen this. She has been found.:beer:
Thank goodness she is alive and in good condition except for possible chicken pox. I am glad that she will be placed in custody of her grandmother and hope that her mother doesn't try to pull a stunt like that again. jmo

[Gatordog]

You have my dream weather, Beemer! It's going to be very nice here today. Finally, nice and warm. I was sick of wearing sweaters in freakin' June!!!!!

I am more than willing to trade this weather for a while with someone. Since the end of May it's basically been 95 and above. At 7 am it's already 88 degrees. Hot, hot and more heat.

Gator

[deacon]

Thank goodness she is alive and in good condition except for possible chicken pox. I am glad that she will be placed in custody of her grandmother and hope that her mother doesn't try to pull a stunt like that again. jmo

Sad thing is, that is subject to change as we all know

[lighthousedazy]

I am more than willing to trade this weather for a while with someone. Since the end of May it's basically been 95 and above. At 7 am it's already 88 degrees. Hot, hot and more heat.

GatorOh Gator, I can hardly stand it either. In SC it has been unusually hot in the upper 90's for quite a while. It's just as bad in GA too.

[BeastofBears]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/ohio.missing.girl/index.html

I guess you may have seen this. She has been found.:beer:

Oh, that is such good news! Now, may someone step in and KEEP her safe! It is so rare and wonderful when one is found alive! :beer:

[Nawny]

LOL!

When I was there, my friend Donna, hid our Cairo friend's car on the other side of the hotel entrance to pretend it was stolen. To "punish" her for her little joke, he made her drive us to the restaurant across Cairo. Donna driving in Cairo was on of the most terrifying moments of my life! I could NOT have done that!

Just an aside, if you think we have weird taxes here...You know how everything is kind of dingy in Egypt, unpainted, just kind of yucky? I found out why: buildings are not taxed until they are finished. So people leave the outside unfinished so they don't have to pay taxes! I went to a friend's house, thought it would be awful it was so bad outside. Inside, marble floors, gilding, it was a palace! Loophole city...


LMAO~ Yes I remember hearing that about the taxes! Indeed everything looks unfinished in the largest city in the world. Whatta bunch a nuts! Downtown was a nightmare of traffic..you must have been terrified! Them selling their wares was a worse nightmare. I saw a neat shoestore though, but poppa wouldn't stop. ewwww...

I'll stay here thanks. ;)

here's a Sunday drive for ya~ http://i40.tinypic.com/wk0jea.jpg

[deacon]

Oh Gator, I can hardly stand it either. In SC it has been unusually hot in the upper 90's for quite a while. It's just as bad in GA too.

Tell me about it. I live is SC and am working jsut across the line in NC. If it isn't an oven it is thunderstorms and tornadoes.

[Nawny]

You have my dream weather, Beemer! It's going to be very nice here today. Finally, nice and warm. I was sick of wearing sweaters in freakin' June!!!!!

Looks like rain here :( Cold. Weebles can't go out ot play so they are remodeling my house instead. Just got done with lunch and before that water painting. (lovely) and cutting and pasting the old fashioned way. I had to draw the hearts and flowers, cut them out, and they glued them on the big sheets of colored paper... before that made some rice pudding for later (if they're good) and 2 of them requested bacon, got that done, then Del's Lemonade in the blender, got that done with, and they ate all of their pasta except for the bacon lover. Of course there was the initial snack consisting of fluffernutter crackers and swirly sticks. They are all too skinny, I say. :hat:

They are now resting LOL! I got my cawffee here and I think I died and had no time to lay down. ;) I'm off to story time hour. :seeya:

[beemer]

Bye all-talk at ya soon :seeya::beer:

[Marian Paroo]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/ohio.missing.girl/index.html

I guess you may have seen this. She has been found.:beer:

Yeah, saw that when I came back from a work seminar in J"m. -- checked CNN because I wanted to read the NG transcript.

[Nawny]

Yeah, saw that when I came back from a work seminar in J"m. -- checked CNN because I wanted to read the NG transcript.

That poor child ha to have experienced something no one wants to think about, and yet in today's world, at least she will be looked over from head to toe. She will be counseled for sure and her grandmother is not a good candidate for custody. IMO. She knew her daughter was unstable... I don't want to hear it from HER! They both need a tune up. :cuss:

[Marian Paroo]

That poor child ha to have experienced something no one wants to think about, and yet in today's world, at least she will be looked over from head to toe. She will be counseled for sure and her grandmother is not a good candidate for custody. IMO. She knew her daughter was unstable... I don't want to hear it from HER! They both need a tune up. :cuss:

Yes. She at least will have some help.

I don't really think there has been such an increase in children being raped (which means usually by a family member or friend of family member) over the years, decades, or centuries.

We just admit it happens, talk about it, believe the children more than we did generations ago and try to get the them some help.

I remember reading, back when I was studying the New York Homespun Period (late 18th-early 19th) in 8th grade the case of two daughters who, as the documents said "were forced to take Ma's place at night [after she died]."

[Amy]

Don't answer this too quickly. Think about it for a while.

Do you REALLY think you have freedom here?

Think hard now, not for a few minutes. In light of how things have been going for the last 10 years, are you really free now?

It seems some of our freedoms have been chipped @ for some time now. IMO, instead of people pretty much policing their own lives, some tend to watch like a hawk over how others live their lives. Then they demand the gov't enact some law to make other people conform to THEIR idea of how people should live. I can't remember what the first "control" was--but smoking was right up there amongst the first. People were crowing about restrictions, and I remember @ the time--be careful, you might be in favor of this "law" but just wait until someone demands a law that you aren't in favor of. The more laws and restrictions enacted on how people live their lives, it opens the door to even more laws and restrictions, and pretty soon we will live in a land where the government dictates what we eat, what we wear, what we do in our spare time, who we will associate with. The gov't will decide who will get to go to college, and maybe even what college each can attend, and what careers we will be allowed to follow.

There is already way too much Big Brother in our lives, not only do we not need more, we need to find a way to get him out of a lot of aspects of our lives already. IMO

[Amy]

Hello EVERYONE!
Just a quick note to say hello and let everyone know how much I've missed conversing. I was discharged yesterday from hospital after having emergency surgery to remove my gall bladder last week. Wasn't expecting that one! ANYWAY, if anyone has a similar experience and can shed some light on the healing process, let me know. I've been struggling.
Also, after moving 3 weeks ago, I finally got internet service connected today. Looks like I'm finally 'comin' around! I'll write more when I'm on the mend.
Take care, all!
DrewB

Hope you are on the road to recovery!!! DD just had a lap-chole on Monday, and is up and doing pretty well. According to the discharge nurse, walking several times a day, keeping your feet up when you are sitting/lying down, using those insentive spriometers and coughing to clear the lungs are all pretty basic things to keep complications from hanging @ your door.

[deacon]

It seems some of our freedoms have been chipped @ for some time now. IMO, instead of people pretty much policing their own lives, some tend to watch like a hawk over how others live their lives. Then they demand the gov't enact some law to make other people conform to THEIR idea of how people should live. I can't remember what the first "control" was--but smoking was right up there amongst the first. People were crowing about restrictions, and I remember @ the time--be careful, you might be in favor of this "law" but just wait until someone demands a law that you aren't in favor of. The more laws and restrictions enacted on how people live their lives, it opens the door to even more laws and restrictions, and pretty soon we will live in a land where the government dictates what we eat, what we wear, what we do in our spare time, who we will associate with. The gov't will decide who will get to go to college, and maybe even what college each can attend, and what careers we will be allowed to follow.

There is already way too much Big Brother in our lives, not only do we not need more, we need to find a way to get him out of a lot of aspects of our lives already. IMO

Bingo!!!! Once they start they will not stop. The one they have been working on for years is freedom of speech. Now days they call it "hate speech". Funny how some can make nasty comments about or call others names but the other side can not do the same. Dual standard. One day the dual standard will go away with freedom of speech.

The only thing I disagree with is that the insurance companies will decide what we eat or drink.

[Nawny]

Yes. She at least will have some help.

I don't really think there has been such an increase in children being raped (which means usually by a family member or friend of family member) over the years, decades, or centuries.

We just admit it happens, talk about it, believe the children more than we did generations ago and try to get the them some help.

I remember reading, back when I was studying the New York Homespun Period (late 18th-early 19th) in 8th grade the case of two daughters who, as the documents said "were forced to take Ma's place at night [after she died]."


Yes, there was always rape, always pedophilia, always, molestation. THe worst part of it is the burden put upon the child mentally and emotionally. The threats made to the family if the child talked. This on the shoulders of a little child (boy or girl) is what caused the impairment of trust in life itself. These children today are given permission to rat out the monsters. The down side to that is, the perps know this and they are killing them. This is the catch 22 for a little soul, so innocent, so beautiful. The DP should be in place for all molesters. I hate my tax dollars going into their 3 hots and a cot. The savages are eating on us, and probably after a time, some of the children they've molested.

[deacon]

Yes, there was always rape, always pedophilia, always, molestation. THe worst part of it is the burden put upon the child mentally and emotionally. The threats made to the family if the child talked. This on the shoulders of a little child (boy or girl) is what caused the impairment of trust in life itself. These children today are given permission to rat out the monsters. The down side to that is, the perps know this and they are killing them. This is the catch 22 for a little soul, so innocent, so beautiful. The DP should be in place for all molesters. I hate my tax dollars going into their 3 hots and a cot. The savages are eating on us, and probably after a time, some of the children they've molested.

I guess you would include all molesters both male and female? I sure do hate to hear judges say things like "he is to short to go to prison" or "she is too pretty to go to prison."

[Nawny]

I guess you would include all molesters both male and female? I sure do hate to hear judges say things like "he is to short to go to prison" or "she is too pretty to go to prison."

???

Of course All molesters, male and female. I say delete them from our world and all planets. Most especially the female molesters.

[samanthajane13]

"I guess you would include all molesters both male and female? I sure do hate to hear judges say things like "he is to short to go to prison" or "she is too pretty to go to prison."

Damned right!!

And wasn't it the JURORS who said those things?

[deacon]

???

Of course All molesters, male and female. I say delete them from our world and all planets. Most especially the female molesters.

I knew you would agree. Some, however don't seem to. You see, I have a person in my life that is a victim of childhood sexual abuse. It happened 44 years ago and it still affects her. I believe that God helped her block it out for years until her abuser was dead. God knew me and he knew I would kill him. It was during a part of my life where in some ways, I wasn't what I should be. It would have simply been a rage reaction. He would have died at my hands, no doubt. I have no use for those poor excuses for human beings. A rope, a tree........

[deacon]

"I guess you would include all molesters both male and female? I sure do hate to hear judges say things like "he is to short to go to prison" or "she is too pretty to go to prison."

Damned right!!

And wasn't it the JURORS who said those things?
Nope. The judge in both cases. IIRC. They had both been found guilty and were sentenced, just not to jail.:shrug:

[deacon]

Have you folks seen the video of Haylee with the cop? She sure looked happy to be with him and not her mother or the other creep. They are already talking about her "mental health.":no:

[BeastofBears]

I guess you would include all molesters both male and female? I sure do hate to hear judges say things like "he is to short to go to prison" or "she is too pretty to go to prison."

Yes. The ones who are too pretty to go to prison should go to hard labor camps in the desert of Arizona, preferably with simple unroofed chainlink cages. That would save them from the hazards of prison, don't you think? One summer there, and then they wouldn't be too pretty for prison anymore.

I don't like child molesters of any gender. Equal payback, and its never enough right now anyway, imo.

[deacon]

Yes. The ones who are too pretty to go to prison should go to hard labor camps in the desert of Arizona, preferably with simple unroofed chainlink cages. That would save them from the hazards of prison, don't you think? One summer there, and then they wouldn't be too pretty for prison anymore.

I don't like child molesters of any gender. Equal payback, and its never enough right now anyway, imo.

No prison. They are guilty? Okay, would you step outside? I can't shoot you in the flippin head in here. *BOOM* No muss, no fuss, no feeding them for 40 years.

[samanthajane13]

"Nope. The judge in both cases. IIRC. They had both been found guilty and were sentenced, just not to jail."

I guess these judges need to have a mental competency test on a regular basis.

"Yes. The ones who are too pretty to go to prison should go to hard labor camps in the desert of Arizona, preferably with simple unroofed chainlink cages. That would save them from the hazards of prison, don't you think? One summer there, and then they wouldn't be too pretty for prison anymore.

I don't like child molesters of any gender. Equal payback, and its never enough right now anyway, imo."

Just throw them into GenPop.

They won't be that pretty when the other inmates find out why they're in there.

[Nawny]

I knew you would agree. Some, however don't seem to. You see, I have a person in my life that is a victim of childhood sexual abuse. It happened 44 years ago and it still affects her. I believe that God helped her block it out for years until her abuser was dead. God knew me and he knew I would kill him. It was during a part of my life where in some ways, I wasn't what I should be. It would have simply been a rage reaction. He would have died at my hands, no doubt. I have no use for those poor excuses for human beings. A rope, a tree........

I knew how that kind of violation of a human being so young, so tender and innocent causes amnesia and it does that in order to preserve the mind from a complete breakdown of sanity. The sensory mode is never off however and there is a physical memory even though there is no conscious memory. The way that kind of abuse contaminates a life (symptoms) it is easy to recognize. It is always there.

Those who have blocked memories suffer from depression unnamed. They are triggered by sounds, sights, smells, and even movies or books that address the subject of sexual deviancy. The damage is devastating and the jury is out as to whether it is better to remember, reprocess and grieve it out, or not. If I knew that a molester had affected one of my loved ones that way deacon, I would put his/her lights out however I could whether God endorsed me or not.

[Nawny]

"Nope. The judge in both cases. IIRC. They had both been found guilty and were sentenced, just not to jail."

I guess these judges need to have a mental competency test on a regular basis.

"Yes. The ones who are too pretty to go to prison should go to hard labor camps in the desert of Arizona, preferably with simple unroofed chainlink cages. That would save them from the hazards of prison, don't you think? One summer there, and then they wouldn't be too pretty for prison anymore.

I don't like child molesters of any gender. Equal payback, and its never enough right now anyway, imo."Just throw them into GenPop.

They won't be that pretty when the other inmates find out why they're in there.


Think about it for a moment.. as I'm sure you all know this, I have to give the child's dilemma a look. Suppose his or her molester is Mom, Dad, scholar hero brother, family favorite aunt, uncle?

If the child rats out the perp, they go to jail, the family is done for and it's all the child's fault... Horrific! No more home, no more parents, no more family, no more anything. Since this is the major fear of the child, they make the sacrifice, they take the abuse for years and years. (To save the family)

Often the hero is really the child and when they get older and are treated badly for an hour, some go postal. Some commit suicide. Some kill whom ever is standing in front of them.. Then they go to jail while the molester wags her/his finger at the now grown up victim. THe abused often abuses.. unless they get lucky and find someone who can love them for real.

[deacon]

I knew how that kind of violation of a human being so young, so tender and innocent causes amnesia and it does that in order to preserve the mind from a complete breakdown of sanity. The sensory mode is never off however and there is a physical memory even though there is no conscious memory. The way that kind of abuse contaminates a life (symptoms) it is easy to recognize. It is always there.

Those who have blocked memories suffer from depression unnamed. They are triggered by sounds, sights, smells, and even movies or books that address the subject of sexual deviancy. The damage is devastating and the jury is out as to whether it is better to remember, reprocess and grieve it out, or not. If I knew that a molester had affected one of my loved ones that way deacon, I would put his/her lights out however I could whether God endorsed me or not.

That is why He didn't let me find out about it until the devil died. The things you said ring a bell and still do. Times of depression,times when I can do nothing right, times when she feels she can do nothing right. In my position, you learn to deal with the depression and how to handle getting her to be herself. Wouldn't take anything for her and I'll just d if anyone will hurt her like that again and get away with it.

[Nawny]

I think that would be more like 30%/70%. It is just that the 70% will not stand and do what they need to to make it happen.

This guy reminds me of sadam insane.

Same ole Middle East war seems infinite. They're still killing Jesus Christ, just his name and face changes.

"War is business and business is good.":(

[deacon]

Same ole Middle East war seems infinite. They're still killing Jesus Christ, just his name and face changes.

"War is business and business is good.":(

No my friend, in the words of George Patton, "war is he!!.

[BeastofBears]

These are the final series of messages from a tweeter in Tehran who has been tweeting every couple of hours at least, but has now not been heard from for at least 7 hours...

they catch ppl with mobile - so many killed today - so many injured - Allah Akbar - they take one of us

they pull away the dead into trucks - like factory - no human can do this - we beg Allah for save us -

Everybody is under arrest & cant move - Mousavi - Karroubi even rumour Khatami is in house guardwe must go - dont know when we can get internet - they take 1 of us, they will torture and get names - now we must move fast -

thank you ppls 4 supporting Sea of Green - pls remember always our martyrs - Allah Akbar - Allah Akbar - Allah Akbar

Allah - you are the creator of all and all must return to you - Allah Akbar -

:rose::rose::rose: The last one sounds pretty final...

[Nawny]

That is why He didn't let me find out about it until the devil died. The things you said ring a bell and still do. Times of depression,times when I can do nothing right, times when she feels she can do nothing right. In my position, you learn to deal with the depression and how to handle getting her to be herself. Wouldn't take anything for her and I'll just d if anyone will hurt her like that again and get away with it.


Symptoms, all of it. You probably saved her life. Love does that. :) When a man loves a woman who has been through that, he doesn't take the mood swings and the depression personally. Love never gets tired.

[deacon]

Symptoms, all of it. You probably saved her life. Love does that. :) When a man loves a woman who has been through that, he doesn't take the mood swings and the depression personally. Love never gets tired.

If her family knew how many nights we sat up all night with her crying. She thinks they would never believe her and I wouldn't push it because I don't think it would do any good. Just harm.

[Nawny]

If her family knew how many nights we sat up all night with her crying. She thinks they would never believe her and I wouldn't push it because I don't think it would do any good. Just harm.

Devastating isn't a good enough word for that sorrow. Who knows how many in her family already know? There is one truth about molesters that I am sure of; They do not discriminate. They take what they want from who ever they want any time they want. In a family targeted for that, it is as if children are mere receptacles. It might surprise some to know that they were not the only victims in the house.

Sometimes we have to let go of our families to save the ones we made. There is no shrink, no books and no specialist that can fix that damage. Just love. Good unconditional love. :rose: Sounds like you got that. Victims of that kind of abuse need to be validated constantly. It is the fallout of being abused that way. Constant validation, and just knowing someone understands and defends them is everything. So very sad..

[deacon]

Devastating isn't a good enough word for that sorrow. Who knows how many in her family already know? There is one truth about molesters that I am sure of; They do not discriminate. They take what they want from who ever they want any time they want. In a family targeted for that, it is as if children are mere receptacles. It might surprise some to know that they were not the only victims in the house.

Sometimes we have to let go of our families to save the ones we made. There is no shrink, no books and no specialist that can fix that damage. Just love. Good unconditional love. :rose: Sounds like you got that. Victims of that kind of abuse need to be validated constantly. It is the fallout of being abused that way. Constant validation, and just knowing someone understands and defends them is everything. So very sad..

Oh, she has that and always will. When I am gone she will get the same thing from her son. You think I am protective. I don't hold a light to him and he is twice my size. He would kill you if you messed with his mom. She actually seems to be getting better. Not so much depression. One thing I did find is that when you "call her out" on the depression and "call her out" on the blaming herself for everything she gets better. I do that in love, but still I have to make sure she understands that she is not the one who did wrong, she is not the one who is at fault and that I really do love her. It seems to help when I get a little pointed with her, to a point.

[Nawny]

Oh, she has that and always will. When I am gone she will get the same thing from her son. You think I am protective. I don't hold a light to him and he is twice my size. He would kill you if you messed with his mom. She actually seems to be getting better. Not so much depression. One thing I did find is that when you "call her out" on the depression and "call her out" on the blaming herself for everything she gets better. I do that in love, but still I have to make sure she understands that she is not the one who did wrong, she is not the one who is at fault and that I really do love her. It seems to help when I get a little pointed with her, to a point.


It has been my experience that the greatest people I know are those who have suffered greatly. :)

[deacon]

It has been my experience that the greatest people I know are those who have suffered greatly. :)

I guess I just need some of your haterade.:) Now you see why I get so upset with molesters of any kind, any shape, any size I simply dislike all of them.

Edited to add: If someone is a rapist or molester, they don't want me on their jury.

[Nawny]

I guess I just need some of your haterade.:) Now you see why I get so upset with molesters of any kind, any shape, any size I simply dislike all of them.

Edited to add: If someone is a rapist or molester, they don't want me on their jury.

My haterade is green tea tonight :) Getting upset with molesters is a good thing. They are pond scum and do not belong in society. The thing that gets me the most is, we expect them to look like scraggly old men. HA! MYTH.

[deacon]

My haterade is green tea tonight :) Getting upset with molesters is a good thing. They are pond scum and do not belong in society. The thing that gets me the most is, we expect them to look like scraggly old men. HA! MYTH.

You are so right. The one I am talking about looked like a grandpa.:cuss:

[JLette]

I guess I just need some of your haterade.:) Now you see why I get so upset with molesters of any kind, any shape, any size I simply dislike all of them.

Edited to add: If someone is a rapist or molester, they don't want me on their jury.



I have a strong hatred for molesters and rapists, i was a victim at the age of 13 and instead of supporting me and trying to help me through it my mother acted as though SHE were the only victim, everything was something happening to HER and my feelings are completely disregarded in the matter, i have moved on with my life now and my hubby has helped me greatly in the past 5 years to work through my feelings

[deacon]

I have a strong hatred for molesters and rapists, i was a victim at the age of 13 and instead of supporting me and trying to help me through it my mother acted as though SHE were the only victim, everything was something happening to HER and my feelings are completely disregarded in the matter, i have moved on with my life now and my hubby has helped me greatly in the past 5 years to work through my feelings

Believe me, I can understand. Her mother doesn't know and that is best now. I feel her father is like me. If he would have known he would be in jail now. Me too.

[Nawny]

I have a strong hatred for molesters and rapists, i was a victim at the age of 13 and instead of supporting me and trying to help me through it my mother acted as though SHE were the only victim, everything was something happening to HER and my feelings are completely disregarded in the matter, i have moved on with my life now and my hubby has helped me greatly in the past 5 years to work through my feelings

I'm so glad you found a man with a heart. :rose: You are definitely not alone and definitely not to blame. Women are strong, they are so damn strong! :beer:

Check out this one: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Another cheater bites the dust. GO figure these guys? He is a public figure who got the hots for some tan lines? Lord love the bloggers! Most of them are quite right!
Don't cry for me Argentina LOL!

[lighthousedazy]

I'm so glad you found a man with a heart. :rose: You are definitely not alone and definitely not to blame. Women are strong, they are so damn strong! :beer:

Check out this one: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Another cheater bites the dust. GO figure these guys? He is a public figure who got the hots for some tan lines? Lord love the bloggers! Most of them are quite right!
Don't cry for me Argentina LOL! Naive me was hoping he was hiking the Appalachian trail to clear his head about his refusal to accept the stimulus package. :rolleyes: oh well. I don't really know what to say about his wife deciding to stick by him. He is imo, not a good role model for his 4 young sons. Such an embarrasment. :mad:

I've had the "Evita" song stuck in my head allday too. lol

[SaraSidle]

Naive me was hoping he was hiking the Appalachian trail to clear his head about his refusal to accept the stimulus package. :rolleyes: oh well. I don't really know what to say about his wife deciding to stick by him. He is imo, not a good role model for his 4 young sons. Such an embarrasment. :mad:

I've had the "Evita" song stuck in my head allday too. lol

lhd I cannot imagine how long that marriage will last. She does not need his Money and he is no longer in politics with a future.............sara IMO

[Nawny]

Naive me was hoping he was hiking the Appalachian trail to clear his head about his refusal to accept the stimulus package. :rolleyes: oh well. I don't really know what to say about his wife deciding to stick by him. He is imo, not a good role model for his 4 young sons. Such an embarrassment. :mad:

I've had the "Evita" song stuck in my head all day too. lol

It's okay if he fell in love with someone. Humans do that. The obvious is what bothers me. He should have the guts to take the financial and the high profile bite and get gone. Let his wife grieve her ideals and go on with her own life. (That's if Ms. Tan Lines will have him if he's stone broke and she might not like his feety pajama's that his wife is accustomed to) ) Some woman fall in love with the briefcase, ya know? (Especially foreigners!) I don't think he'd like Argentina after his upper class existence in Washington. Feh. He's a jerk.

His sons would respect him more if he were honest.

[Nawny]

lhd I cannot imagine how long that marriage will last. She does not need his Money and he is no longer in politics with a future.............sara IMO

True Sara! That woman has faced the ultimate humiliation and I don't understand why these political wives stay stuck on these guys. Not that he is any different from Clinton, Eisenhower, Kennedy or most of them who had their affairs. But this guy is a real piece of work.

Goodnight all!:seeya:

[BeastofBears]

Naive me was hoping he was hiking the Appalachian trail to clear his head about his refusal to accept the stimulus package. :rolleyes: oh well. I don't really know what to say about his wife deciding to stick by him. He is imo, not a good role model for his 4 young sons. Such an embarrasment. :mad:

I've had the "Evita" song stuck in my head allday too. lol

Which one? Don't Cry for Me, Argentina; What's New, Buenos Aires; or Goodnight and Thank You, Whoever? :D

I know its a tragedy for the family, and I feel really bad for them, but wow! If you're gonna cheat and get caught, what a way to go, disappearing into Argentina. Not some seedy hotel or an airport bathroom. Argentina! Awesome style points.

No way I would take a guy back who called the other woman a "dear dear friend" in the presser. No way. Kick him, honey.

[Marian Paroo]

True Sara! That woman has faced the ultimate humiliation and I don't understand why these political wives stay stuck on these guys. Not that he is any different from Clinton, Eisenhower, Kennedy or most of them who had their affairs. But this guy is a real piece of work.

Goodnight all!:seeya:

Roosevelt, too. But his wife decided what is good for one is good for the other, and had an affair herself. And Coolidge, I think it was him. 1920s? Some say his wife poisoned him when she had enough.

[deacon]

I'm so glad you found a man with a heart. :rose: You are definitely not alone and definitely not to blame. Women are strong, they are so damn strong! :beer:

Check out this one: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Another cheater bites the dust. GO figure these guys? He is a public figure who got the hots for some tan lines? Lord love the bloggers! Most of them are quite right!
Don't cry for me Argentina LOL!

Sorry, I don't even need to read the article and i know who it is. A scumbag. Always has been, always will be.

[deacon]

Which one? Don't Cry for Me, Argentina; What's New, Buenos Aires; or Goodnight and Thank You, Whoever? :D

I know its a tragedy for the family, and I feel really bad for them, but wow! If you're gonna cheat and get caught, what a way to go, disappearing into Argentina. Not some seedy hotel or an airport bathroom. Argentina! Awesome style points.
No way I would take a guy back who called the other woman a "dear dear friend" in the presser. No way. Kick him, honey.

Not on my dime. That has not come out yet but i will bet he did this on state money after talking about cutting spending and laying off teachers to make ends meet.:cuss:

[Nawny]

Roosevelt, too. But his wife decided what is good for one is good for the other, and had an affair herself. And Coolidge, I think it was him. 1920s? Some say his wife poisoned him when she had enough.

LOL!!! Big men, big big men!

[Marian Paroo]

LOL!!! Big men, big big men!

Harding is the one who may have been poisoned by his wife.

Coolidge is the veep who took over from him.

[Nawny]

Anybody need cheering up? Utube is a wonderful thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE6PNps5N9I

This is my favorite!

[Nawny]

Harding is the one who may have been poisoned by his wife.

Coolidge is the veep who took over from him.

Ah!! Harding, who woulda thunk? :hat: Coolidge probably did the same. Men of stature are still vulnerable to womin folk on a mission. The stupids. The saddest of women was Marylin Monroe. I watched a full documentary about her death and I saw how emotionally ravaged she was by the Kennedy's behavior when she became obsessed with Jack and Robert.
According to that report P Lawford and Bobby destroyed her diary. Poor Norma Jean. She took a lot of information with her. :(

[BeastofBears]

Not on my dime. That has not come out yet but i will bet he did this on state money after talking about cutting spending and laying off teachers to make ends meet.:cuss:

You're kidding! He might have used STATE MONEY for this?! Has he travelled to Argentina on "state business" before this?

I googled it- he DID! http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.sanford.argentina/index.html what an ass. Loses style points. Just another thief.

imo.

[BeastofBears]

LOL!!! Big men, big big men!

My problem with Bill Clinton wasn't hat he did, but where and when he did it (Not that I like it, but that was Hillary's business). But he did it in MY White House on MY dime. I would have fired an employee who was boinking another employee in the workplace during work hours. And the President is my/our employee. My Canadian relatives don't get it-they keep telling me I'm being a morals police, when it's really about HR for me.

[old_soul]

Believe me, I can understand. Her mother doesn't know and that is best now. I feel her father is like me. If he would have known he would be in jail now. Me too.

Jumping in here........

Haven't been on since the other night, and deacon, I wanted you to know, I agree wholeheartedly with what you were saying about our earlier discussion.... I tip my glass to anyone who tries to make a difference in this messed up world. Somehow, it seems that we are just treading water, but change comes slow....too slow, if at all.

I am not afraid/ashamed to say that my scumbag stepfather tried for years (12-15) to molest me. I say tried because, don't ask me how a 12 year old kid knows enough to get out and away, but I did. Slept with one eye open (and all that). Did I know I could have had him arrested? I can't remember.
Yes, Nawny, to save ourselves we block things out. I told my mother ~ in order not to face it and lose her security, he denied it when I confronted him, and she called me a liar, said she didn't see anything.

Because the fact that she's my mother and I loved her, I tried to act like I didn't feel (inside) the way I did, but I lost any respect for her for not standing up and doing anything (getting him out of our life)and I realized that our relationship was doomed and was irreparibly tainted forever. That was at 15. Throughout the years, I played the game though, with an anger inside no one should harbor, and just plain seething because he's still around, acting like nothing. The best is when they go to church, acting so.......holy.:cuss:

It has come up (my doing) many times. I want validation. I want an apology. I want a confession. It will never happen. My mother has lost the honor of having her 2 (girl) grandchildren sleep over and stay with her. Not with him in that house. Yet, she still says 'you never come over' and sends Holiday cards saying 'if we could only be together as a family for the holidays'.
When my oldest turned 12, it really hit home. So innocent, I thought how could someone do this to a little kid?! Thank God, I was not a naive 12 year old... (hence, old_soul) Yes, it changed my life, toughened me up at a young age, and it's not right, the burden kids carry.

Anyway, although I did train during high school and in my early 20's to carry a firearm, stopping just short of getting a license to carry one....I was talked out of it by friends and my fiance at the time...they figured I'd wind up in prison...and you can guess why! (smart people) because like deacon, I would have killed him...no doubt.

"What doesn't break us, only makes us stronger"

Always keep that in mind, JLette......:rose::):beer:

MHO....
Pedophiles should be castrated and put in a cell by themselves, for the rest of their lives.

[deacon]

You're kidding! He might have used STATE MONEY for this?! Has he travelled to Argentina on "state business" before this?

I googled it- he DID! http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.sanford.argentina/index.html what an ass. Loses style points. Just another thief.

imo.

I am not a bill clinto fan but you must remember, as a senator, this guy called for and help start the impeachment proceedings for the same reason.

Go figure:shrug:

[deacon]

My problem with Bill Clinton wasn't hat he did, but where and when he did it (Not that I like it, but that was Hillary's business). But he did it in MY White House on MY dime. I would have fired an employee who was boinking another employee in the workplace during work hours. And the President is my/our employee. My Canadian relatives don't get it-they keep telling me I'm being a morals police, when it's really about HR for me.

One of my biggest problems with these two (and I put them in the same boat) is that if they lied about this, what else have they lied to us about? A bunch I would guess.

The next is that they call themselves leaders and do not hold themselves up to the standards that they want to hold others too. How can that be a leader? A leader MUST hold themselves to the highest standard. Not the standard that they can get away with. This is another of our problems. The rules of morals are for the other guy, not me. When you are a leader you must lead by service, not law. A part of that service is to present an example for the people you lead. Therefore, you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. He says he went down there to "break it off." If you believe that I have a bridge in NY city I'll sell you, cheap. He may have broken it off once he realized he was caught and could not lie his way out of it. It doesn't take a week to end a relationship that should never have happened. It would only take an email. My Lord he sent her enough.

[BeastofBears]

One of my biggest problems with these two (and I put them in the same boat) is that if they lied about this, what else have they lied to us about? A bunch I would guess.

The next is that they call themselves leaders and do not hold themselves up to the standards that they want to hold others too. How can that be a leader? A leader MUST hold themselves to the highest standard. Not the standard that they can get away with. This is another of our problems. The rules of morals are for the other guy, not me. When you are a leader you must lead by service, not law. A part of that service is to present an example for the people you lead. Therefore, you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. He says he went down there to "break it off." If you believe that I have a bridge in NY city I'll sell you, cheap. He may have broken it off once he realized he was caught and could not lie his way out of it. It doesn't take a week to end a relationship that should never have happened. It would only take an email. My Lord he sent her enough.

Maybe he wanted one more dipper from the well before he broke it off. I swear, if he waited until the end of the week to "break it off" (which I agree, he did not)...Nice reading his "poetic" declarations of "love". You're married, moron! Bet you never sent such things to your wife.

Another point on infidelity and politicians: how could you trust someone who is so stupid as to do something this stupid to run a state? If you are going to live a public life, common sense tells you to be careful, and by that I do not mean, don't get caught, I mean don't do it!

[old_soul]

Maybe he wanted one more dipper from the well before he broke it off. I swear, if he waited until the end of the week to "break it off" (which I agree, he did not)...Nice reading his "poetic" declarations of "love". You're married, moron! Bet you never sent such things to your wife.



Another point on infidelity and politicians: how could you trust someone who is so stupid as to do something this stupid to run a state? If you are going to live a public life, common sense tells you to be careful, and by that I do not mean, don't get caught, I mean don't do it!

<<<s******ing here! LOL>>> (Noun
a quiet and disrespectful laugh kept to oneself ) aka known as a snicker, not the one you eat :)

Absolutely!...What a pair he's got! Is it a prequisite to be a liar when you're a politician? They are so full of themselves they feel they can lie and cheat to anyone /everyone to suit their needs and get what/where they want to be. Pen Pal, huh? 8 years? Then you take of for a fricken week? Please. Those e mails were...revealing. He didn't even blush when they made it on national tv....what a POS hypocrite. I truly think JFK took the prize in that category though.

Getting a divorce does not kill your career..If it turns out you are not in love or incompatible, what's the big problem, tell me, with saying we are divorcing? Clinton was the pres at the time, Geez, eve at that point he couldn't keep his pickle in check... but meanwhile he had been cheating for years, and I'll bet Hillary turned the other cheek if she had any inkling...her main goal was to be in that spot and I think that was always in her mind...

You would think from what they have seen happen to their cronies, they would learn, and hold themselves to 'higher standards'..nope. Looks like they think nothing of what they've done....Acting contrite just doesn't cut it. Is this a man thing? :tongue:

[old_soul]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment/20090625/US.Obit.Fawcett/

:rose: http://i42.tinypic.com/iejhmt.jpg

[SaraSidle]

Anybody need cheering up? Utube is a wonderful thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE6PNps5N9I

This is my favorite!

that is such a riot. I love that one also.............

[Nawny]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment/20090625/US.Obit.Fawcett/

:rose: http://i42.tinypic.com/iejhmt.jpg

Goodbye Farrah.. have fun in heaven where there is no pain. :rose:

[Nawny]

that is such a riot. I love that one also.............

Sara that one makes me smile even when I feel like hell. ;) It never fails!

[Nawny]

<<<s******ing here! LOL>>> (Noun
a quiet and disrespectful laugh kept to oneself ) aka known as a snicker, not the one you eat :)

Absolutely!...What a pair he's got! Is it a prerequisite to be a liar when you're a politician? They are so full of themselves they feel they can lie and cheat to anyone /everyone to suit their needs and get what/where they want to be. Pen Pal, huh? 8 years? Then you take of for a fricken week? Please. Those e mails were...revealing. He didn't even blush when they made it on national tv....what a POS hypocrite. I truly think JFK took the prize in that category though.

Getting a divorce does not kill your career..If it turns out you are not in love or incompatible, what's the big problem, tell me, with saying we are divorcing? Clinton was the pres at the time, Geez, eve at that point he couldn't keep his pickle in check... but meanwhile he had been cheating for years, and I'll bet Hillary turned the other cheek if she had any inkling...her main goal was to be in that spot and I think that was always in her mind...

You would think from what they have seen happen to their cronies, they would learn, and hold themselves to 'higher standards'..nope. Looks like they think nothing of what they've done....Acting contrite just doesn't cut it. Is this a man thing? :tongue:

Remember Middle School, O_S?? THe boys would huddle and whisper about some girl they supposedly got in bed, then hysterical laughter followed? That's why "Contrite" All his male buddies are high 5-ing him.

His wife is a fool or has a For Sale sign on her back. I hate it when those Hilary's hang in there for immortality. But this jackass won't make to the white house, so it's moot all the way. I also hate when women say, I'm staying for the kids. Don't do them any favors, I say.

[Nawny]

Jumping in here........

Haven't been on since the other night, and deacon, I wanted you to know, I agree wholeheartedly with what you were saying about our earlier discussion.... I tip my glass to anyone who tries to make a difference in this messed up world. Somehow, it seems that we are just treading water, but change comes slow....too slow, if at all.

I am not afraid/ashamed to say that my scumbag stepfather tried for years (12-15) to molest me. I say tried because, don't ask me how a 12 year old kid knows enough to get out and away, but I did. Slept with one eye open (and all that). Did I know I could have had him arrested? I can't remember.
Yes, Nawny, to save ourselves we block things out. I told my mother ~ in order not to face it and lose her security, he denied it when I confronted him, and she called me a liar, said she didn't see anything.

Because the fact that she's my mother and I loved her, I tried to act like I didn't feel (inside) the way I did, but I lost any respect for her for not standing up and doing anything (getting him out of our life)and I realized that our relationship was doomed and was irreparibly tainted forever. That was at 15. Throughout the years, I played the game though, with an anger inside no one should harbor, and just plain seething because he's still around, acting like nothing. The best is when they go to church, acting so.......holy.:cuss:

It has come up (my doing) many times. I want validation. I want an apology. I want a confession. It will never happen. My mother has lost the honor of having her 2 (girl) grandchildren sleep over and stay with her. Not with him in that house. Yet, she still says 'you never come over' and sends Holiday cards saying 'if we could only be together as a family for the holidays'.
When my oldest turned 12, it really hit home. So innocent, I thought how could someone do this to a little kid?! Thank God, I was not a naive 12 year old... (hence, old_soul) Yes, it changed my life, toughened me up at a young age, and it's not right, the burden kids carry.

Anyway, although I did train during high school and in my early 20's to carry a firearm, stopping just short of getting a license to carry one....I was talked out of it by friends and my fiance at the time...they figured I'd wind up in prison...and you can guess why! (smart people) because like deacon, I would have killed him...no doubt.

"What doesn't break us, only makes us stronger"

Always keep that in mind, JLette......:rose::):beer:

MHO....
Pedophiles should be castrated and put in a cell by themselves, for the rest of their lives.

Big hugs to you Old_Soul. And a shot of Baileys along with it! :beer: You didn't turn into a murderer and didn't turn him into one. Did he say Thank You? Ya got gazelle balls girlfriend! Choices in another kind of war made you who you are today.

And didn't YOUR mother go to the same school as My mother. Unbelievable! Yeah church, yep.

For you, deacon and J.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3hm6io9ow

[lighthousedazy]

Big hugs to you Old_Soul. And a shot of Baileys along with it! :beer: You didn't turn into a murderer and didn't turn him into one. Did he say Thank You? Ya got gazelle balls girlfriend! Choices in another kind of war made you who you are today.

And didn't YOUR mother go to the same school as My mother. Unbelievable! Yeah church, yep.

For you, deacon and J.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3hm6io9ow
Thank you Nawny for posting the video. Such a beautiful voice and a beautiful song. I predict that "Sissel" could be a new favorite baby name for the girls. :rose:

[deacon]

Maybe he wanted one more dipper from the well before he broke it off. I swear, if he waited until the end of the week to "break it off" (which I agree, he did not)...Nice reading his "poetic" declarations of "love". You're married, moron! Bet you never sent such things to your wife.

Another point on infidelity and politicians: how could you trust someone who is so stupid as to do something this stupid to run a state? If you are going to live a public life, common sense tells you to be careful, and by that I do not mean, don't get caught, I mean don't do it!

How fitting too. Father's Day weekend is when he left. He wasn't home for Father's Day.:no::cuss::flamemad:And another:cuss:

[deacon]

<<<s******ing here! LOL>>> (Noun
a quiet and disrespectful laugh kept to oneself ) aka known as a snicker, not the one you eat :)

Absolutely!...What a pair he's got! Is it a prequisite to be a liar when you're a politician? They are so full of themselves they feel they can lie and cheat to anyone /everyone to suit their needs and get what/where they want to be. Pen Pal, huh? 8 years? Then you take of for a fricken week? Please. Those e mails were...revealing. He didn't even blush when they made it on national tv....what a POS hypocrite. I truly think JFK took the prize in that category though.

Getting a divorce does not kill your career..If it turns out you are not in love or incompatible, what's the big problem, tell me, with saying we are divorcing? Clinton was the pres at the time, Geez, eve at that point he couldn't keep his pickle in check... but meanwhile he had been cheating for years, and I'll bet Hillary turned the other cheek if she had any inkling...her main goal was to be in that spot and I think that was always in her mind...

You would think from what they have seen happen to their cronies, they would learn, and hold themselves to 'higher standards'..nope. Looks like they think nothing of what they've done....Acting contrite just doesn't cut it. Is this a man thing? :tongue:

Not as far as I am concerned. He is just sorry he got caught. Remember, he has seen her before. This isn't the first time.

[deacon]

Remember Middle School, O_S?? THe boys would huddle and whisper about some girl they supposedly got in bed, then hysterical laughter followed? That's why "Contrite" All his male buddies are high 5-ing him.

His wife is a fool or has a For Sale sign on her back. I hate it when those Hilary's hang in there for immortality. But this jackass won't make to the white house, so it's moot all the way. I also hate when women say, I'm staying for the kids. Don't do them any favors, I say.

She isn't taking this quite like hillary. She supposedly kicked him out until they could work it out or split for good.:rose:

[deacon]

Big hugs to you Old_Soul. And a shot of Baileys along with it! :beer: You didn't turn into a murderer and didn't turn him into one. Did he say Thank You? Ya got gazelle balls girlfriend! Choices in another kind of war made you who you are today.

And didn't YOUR mother go to the same school as My mother. Unbelievable! Yeah church, yep.

For you, deacon and J.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3hm6io9ow

Always remember, don't ever forget, just because a person goes to church does not make them a Christ Follower. If that were true, I could go to my garage and be a new Corvette.

[old_soul]

She isn't taking this quite like hillary. She supposedly kicked him out until they could work it out or split for good.:rose:

Here's an update on the philanderer: SC GOP leader wants unfaithful gov's resignation http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090623/US.SC.Governor.Where_/ The original story I was copying was how he went to visit his wifeand spent the day with her today. It follows the update.

BTW. His wife found out 5 months ago..does it take 5 months to figure out whether you're going to wash that man right outta your hair?! And why is this all coming out Now?

To the curb, woman! Throw him to the curb. No man is worth all the public humiliation he's offered up..I'll not even harp on the adultery! :punch:


'A dear, dear friend' with fringe benefits. How nice. I also have dear, dear friends, but we don't do it. Anyone know how old his 4 sons are?

[deacon]

Here's an update on the philanderer: SC GOP leader wants unfaithful gov's resignation http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090623/US.SC.Governor.Where_/ The original story I was copying was how he went to visit his wifeand spent the day with her today. It follows the update.

BTW. His wife found out 5 months ago..does it take 5 months to figure out whether you're going to wash that man right outta your hair?! And why is this all coming out Now?

To the curb, woman! Throw him to the curb. No man is worth all the public humiliation he's offered up..I'll not even harp on the adultery! :punch:


'A dear, dear friend' with fringe benefits. How nice. I also have dear, dear friends, but we don't do it. Anyone know how old his 4 sons are?

That is supposedly when she kicked him out. 5 months ago. She was just not putting it in the public eye. Yep, I sort of think he is a dork too. Well not sort of he really is. To me there should be a special designation for something like this:
FELONY STUPID

[Nawny]

Thank you Nawny for posting the video. Such a beautiful voice and a beautiful song. I predict that "Sissel" could be a new favorite baby name for the girls. :rose:

Yep, such an odd name huh? I don't know what I think of it. ;) I love that song and I try to live that song. I often fail, but as I'm still here, I get up again when I fall. As we all do, I know. Let's go get drunk. :hat: LOL!

Hope your'e feelin better pal! :rose:

[old_soul]

That is supposedly when she kicked him out. 5 months ago. She was just not putting it in the public eye. Yep, I sort of think he is a dork too. Well not sort of he really is. To me there should be a special designation for something like this:
FELONY STUPID

In the article..............( posted this AM)

"About three weeks ago, Sanford lost a court battle to reject the federal stimulus money. A few days later, his wife, Jenny Sanford, kicked him out of their home to begin a "trial separation" with hopes of reconciling."

She threw him out 3 weeks ago! after, I might add, he lost the fight for the federal stimulus bill! She needs a talkin to!

His bestest bud Tom Davis:
Even his former chief of staff and friend of 30 years, state Sen. Tom Davis, said he didn't know about the affair until Wednesday.......

Oh yeah,right Tom...;)

[Nawny]

Here's an update on the philanderer: SC GOP leader wants unfaithful gov's resignation http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090623/US.SC.Governor.Where_/ The original story I was copying was how he went to visit his wifeand spent the day with her today. It follows the update.

BTW. His wife found out 5 months ago..does it take 5 months to figure out whether you're going to wash that man right outta your hair?! And why is this all coming out Now?

To the curb, woman! Throw him to the curb. No man is worth all the public humiliation he's offered up..I'll not even harp on the adultery! :punch:


'A dear, dear friend' with fringe benefits. How nice. I also have dear, dear friends, but we don't do it. Anyone know how old his 4 sons are?


I was talking to poppa about this guy. I told him what BoB said. If you're gonna do it, why the hell not Argentina. Then I said, it's good you should have a good time just before you die. It will be better n the Last Supper. :beer:
He said, How would you kill me? I said, At the airport upon your arrival home. He said, They have metal detectors. I said, Who the hell would go inside with a gun? I'll wait outside.

She needs to throw the bum out. FOr once let these dumb political wives stand up and be an example for women. He's a creep and she's a fool. I want her to take him for everything he's worth and lets see how his Ms Tan Line likes him while he's paying out 90% Of his income to his ex and 4 kids. Betcha she doesn't get a night job to pay the bills when the courtship loses its luster. He should be tossed out of government too. No one wants to pay for his trips to TanLineVille. I sure hope he enjoyed his last supper. :tongue:

[old_soul]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/music/20090625/US.Michael.Jackson/


His scumbag father is stating it 'Does not look good".

He's in UCLA after 911 was called, CPR was done at his home... at the time he was not breathing from Cardiac arrest.

MJ was supposed to start a 50 concert tour on July 15th....

Prayers for MJ...A victim of his own life, and a controlling tyrannical father.

:rose:

6:26 PM MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED.

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[BeastofBears]

I was talking to poppa about this guy. I told him what BoB said. If you're gonna do it, why the hell not Argentina. Then I said, it's good you should have a good time just before you die. It will be better n the Last Supper. :beer:
He said, How would you kill me? I said, At the airport upon your arrival home. He said, They have metal detectors. I said, Who the hell would go inside with a gun? I'll wait outside.

She needs to throw the bum out. FOr once let these dumb political wives stand up and be an example for women. He's a creep and she's a fool. I want her to take him for everything he's worth and lets see how his Ms Tan Line likes him while he's paying out 90% Of his income to his ex and 4 kids. Betcha she doesn't get a night job to pay the bills when the courtship loses its luster. He should be tossed out of government too. No one wants to pay for his trips to TanLineVille. I sure hope he enjoyed his last supper. :tongue:

I actually don't think she actually is taking him back. If you read the whole statement she released, there is a lot of code for not gonna do it unless there's a miracle, imo...

mmmmm...tan lines...*slobber*

jerk.

[BeastofBears]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/music/20090625/US.Michael.Jackson/


His scumbag father is stating it 'Does not look good".

He's in UCLA after 911 was called, CPR was done at his home... at the time he was not breathing from Cardiac arrest.

MJ was supposed to start a 50 concert tour on July 15th....

Prayers for MJ...A victim of his own life, and a controlling tyrannical father.

:rose:

6:26 PM MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED.

[

I think of him, at the latest, as the man in Thriller, and preferably, that adorable little boy...something went tragically wrong inside his head, and it is laid at the door of that 'father', I'll bet. I am sorry for the adult Michael, but I miss the other Michael. I'm not shocked, but I can't believe he's gone. Thriller was the first record I ever bought.

I hope and pray his children go to a good member of the family!

[BeastofBears]

Always remember, don't ever forget, just because a person goes to church does not make them a Christ Follower. If that were true, I could go to my garage and be a new Corvette.

Did you read all the e-mails? He quoted I Corinthians 13 to the mistress!!!!! aargh. That was the reading at my wedding. What an oinker.

http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

[Nawny]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/music/20090625/US.Michael.Jackson/


His scumbag father is stating it 'Does not look good".

He's in UCLA after 911 was called, CPR was done at his home... at the time he was not breathing from Cardiac arrest.

MJ was supposed to start a 50 concert tour on July 15th....

Prayers for MJ...A victim of his own life, and a controlling tyrannical father.

:rose:

6:26 PM MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED.

[

OMG!!! No...! Another victim of chit for a childhood. There is going to be along mourning for that one. He gave a lot to the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ

[deacon]

Did you read all the e-mails? He quoted I Corinthians 13 to the mistress!!!!! aargh. That was the reading at my wedding. What an oinker.

http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

Oh, I know. And think, he was planning to run for president and would have been a strong candidate.

[BeastofBears]

Oh, I know. And think, he was planning to run for president and would have been a strong candidate.

Not for long! Ship, meet iceberg. Do these rotten cheating politicians have a club or something? If not, maybe Sanford and Edwards can start one.

I wonder how the newspaper got those e-mails...seems like they got them about the time the wife decided to separate. hmmmm.

[deacon]

Not for long! Ship, meet iceberg. Do these rotten cheating politicians have a club or something? If not, maybe Sanford and Edwards can start one.

I wonder how the newspaper got those e-mails...seems like they got them about the time the wife decided to separate. hmmmm.

I would guess since he is a public official it would be open season on them. I really doubt she released them. She is too classy for that. Just not a good judge of people I would think. For most of their marrige they got along fine. He just went stupid. One can not go stupid if you are a public servant.

[Nawny]

I would guess since he is a public official it would be open season on them. I really doubt she released them. She is too classy for that. Just not a good judge of people I would think. For most of their marrige they got along fine. He just went stupid. One can not go stupid if you are a public servant.

LMAO!!! You're in rare form today deacon! Now, that was funny! :beer:

[deacon]

[/B]

LMAO!!! You're in rare form today deacon! Now, that was funny! :beer:

You know what they say, You can fix almost anything, but you can't fix stupid.:biggrin:

[Nawny]

You know what they say, You can fix almost anything, but you can't fix stupid.:biggrin:

Well that's a keeper deacon. I can find a multitude of uses for that one!

LOL!

[DrewBerry]

You know what they say, You can fix almost anything, but you can't fix stupid.:biggrin:

Good one, Deacon! I have to agree with Nawny. You ARE in rare form today. Love the laughs!
DrewB

[deacon]

Good one, Deacon! I have to agree with Nawny. You ARE in rare form today. Love the laughs!
DrewB

Tomorrow is Friday and I am going HOME!!

[Nawny]

Not for long! Ship, meet iceberg. Do these rotten cheating politicians have a club or something? If not, maybe Sanford and Edwards can start one.

I wonder how the newspaper got those e-mails...seems like they got them about the time the wife decided to separate. hmmmm.

I hope to hell she released them! But she's no Evita, she's a fat cat like her husband. They rolled around in big money while we all paid. Now they want our sympathy because their inners went wrong? Boo fkn hooo! Grow up and pay attention to yer families pig boys. As long as you're on the take, while Americans are losing their homes, starving, living in the street, Do me a favor and keep your private life private.

All those political bananas pee on our shoes and tell us its raining. Imagine HE was in line to get Clinton Impeached for immoral conduct?!?!!? I want to slap him. I'd also like to slap the idiot in Argentina. Those kinds of emails are sophomoric.. how old is she 16?

If you're going to act like white trash, then ya might as well empty your pockets and give some $$ to the struggling Americans who need it to feed their kids. Most Americans will never live to see Argentina. Can't afford the airfare. :cuss:


Uh oh, I sound like Wind. Hi Wind! :seeya:

[Nawny]

Not for long! Ship, meet iceberg. Do these rotten cheating politicians have a club or something? If not, maybe Sanford and Edwards can start one.

I wonder how the newspaper got those e-mails...seems like they got them about the time the wife decided to separate. hmmmm.

Ship meet Iceberg! Love it!!!

Going in the den now.. time for truetv. :seeya:

[BeastofBears]

I hope to hell she released them! But she's no Evita, she's a fat cat like her husband. They rolled around in big money while we all paid. Now they want our sympathy because their inners went wrong? Boo fkn hooo! Grow up and pay attention to yer families pig boys. As long as you're on the take, while Americans are losing their homes, starving, living in the street, Do me a favor and keep your private life private.

All those political bananas pee on our shoes and tell us its raining. Imagine HE was in line to get Clinton Impeached for immoral conduct?!?!!? I want to slap him. I'd also like to slap the idiot in Argentina. Those kinds of emails are sophomoric.. how old is she 16?

If you're going to act like white trash, then ya might as well empty your pockets and give some $$ to the struggling Americans who need it to feed their kids. Most Americans will never live to see Argentina. Can't afford the airfare. :cuss:


Uh oh, I sound like Wind. Hi Wind! :seeya:

You're bringing up bad memories, Nawny! I had a bf in college who was Argentinian-always borrowing my money to see his mom. He still has a balance of $500...but its worth it to never see him again. Not gonna collect.

[mu8shark]

Well I have good news and bad news. My cousin gave me her old comp and it has Windows 98.It actually works pretty well but I was only able to download adobe flash player 8.0 as anything else is incompatible with system. It really really works slow with this website. I guess you need adobe 10.0 for it to work properly on this site. It gives me an error message and really is slow. . The good news I have sound again and it has a CD burner and really is cleaned off and running well. But boy this sight is difficult. Is there anything else I can do to make this site work better? As I said I can only download and install 8.0 and it works but boy is it slow. I guess I will have to patient in the end. LOL. If anyone who is a computer nerd or really comp saavy has any advice for me , let me know. I do not want to spend lots of money to upgrade though.

[BeastofBears]

Well I have good news and bad news. My cousin gave me her old comp and it has Windows 98.It actually works pretty well but I was only able to download adobe flash player 8.0 as anything else is incompatible with system. It really really works slow with this website. I guess you need adobe 10.0 for it to work properly on this site. It gives me an error message and really is slow. . The good news I have sound again and it has a CD burner and really is cleaned off and running well. But boy this sight is difficult. Is there anything else I can do to make this site work better? As I said I can only download and install 8.0 and it works but boy is it slow. I guess I will have to patient in the end. LOL. If anyone who is a computer nerd or really comp saavy has any advice for me , let me know. I do not want to spend lots of money to upgrade though.

The bad news is, back in the day when I had an older one, any images made it run real slow. And we are image-o-holics here. I don't know if there is some way to choose no images? Other than that...someone else might have more...good luck!

[Nawny]

You're bringing up bad memories, Nawny! I had a bf in college who was Argentinian-always borrowing my money to see his mom. He still has a balance of $500...but its worth it to never see him again. Not gonna collect.

Pisces is a soft sucker for a sob story. They give money away all the time. :) Ask me.

What you keep, you lose-what you give, you keep forever. It always comes back darlin. Ask me. :)

[Nawny]

Tomorrow is Friday and I am going HOME!!

:seeya: Thanks for the giggles. See ya next time deacon!

[deacon]

:seeya: Thanks for the giggles. See ya next time deacon!

Oh, I have a meeting this morning and then some training to do when I get through I am going to find the story I read this morning. Mrs. Govenor is holding his feet to the fire. That situation isn't over yet. She said her concern is not his career or his politics. She said her concern was her sons. I'll post it if I can find it.