Anything else you want to discuss goes here

[Amy]

I would not trust some of what he says. The whole reason he took the guilty plea was so he could be in the limelight once again. He is an egomaniac to boot. It has to be all about him. He wants to have his name "up in lights" as much as he can.
Edited to add: I really think he may have killed some more people in the time when he said he was inactive and the kills just didn't go as planned so he won't take credit for them. There were several he really didn't want to take credit for because they didn't go smooth. There goes that ego again.

Nola Foltson thinks so, too. And she's looking for some after the DP was reinstated. I know they were looking @ unsolved murders, but guess they couldn't attribute any of them to BTK.

[Amy]

One was hiding behind religion (radar) and I really believe the other had it forced on them. You see, it isn't about religion. It is what dwells within.

We recently had a chief of police whom everyone says looked like a ringer for BTK. A little skinnier, had a bit more hair, but he did resemble him. Personally, I tho't he looked more like some fellow who had just stepped off Skid Row. BTK was a little more well-groomed.

[deacon]

don't even want to use his name, but re: that Coleman scumbag..

SOB's goose is cooked, thank God. They traced those threatening letters he said he received to his laptop at the ministries, :flamemad:, and LE have unearthed 6 very naughty e mail photos of him and his mistress exposing themselves to each other...Hope the scumbag thinks what he has done is worth spending his time in prison being called Bend Over Bob.

NG has just revealed he also spray painted curses on the bed of his 9 year old in the red spray paint ~ while his son was laying there dead.

They found out the time of death to be 11 PM to 3 AM, before the scumbag went to 'the gym' that early morning....and I don't care if his mistress thought hwe was getting a divorece, she was an insider to the family being Sheri's friend (and I use that term very loosely), what she couldn't keep her legs crossed until the man was finally divorced? I'm thinking if you are going to be with your friend's husband ~ that's the least you can do!


:flamemad::flamemad:
:rose::rose::rose:

That is not how a friend treats a friend. There is no excuse for what he did. Absolutely none. Judge, get the book ready and warm up your pitching arm. Throw that sucker right at his head.

Back to the "mistress"/hoe, with friends like that no one would need an enemy.:mad:

[deacon]

Isn't he the worst SOB OS?!!!!! I read it on my CNN homepage today. They got the friken pond scum low life perverted pig! Tonight i told poppa about what they found and he said, his mistress was innocent and I said the same thing, "NOT! She's a POS!" If you have to screw around with a married creep, do not break bread with his wife! That would be my answer to her. She's no better than he is. Like attracts like... ewww, that man and his piggy girlfriend are the worse of the worst. Betcha she knew he was going to eliminate them and more than likely he'll blame her. He plead innocent! She had him brainwashed, betcha he said that! No honor among pigs.

He had to be drugged to commit that crime, had to be! Or he'll go for insanity.
What gets me the most is, they were not his to kill. She had a family out there who adored them, that SOB! Bend over Bob yayus! Shoot that mutha effer! Massacre him!:flamemad:



:rose::rose::rose: Dear God on the cross, why???


No way. That is used way too many times and we tend to think just because people do terrible things to others they must either be drugged or crazy. Not, they are evil. No good in them. Yes, there are people, and a lot of them, that think so much about themselves that they will do anyting to get what they want at any particular time. (it's all about me) Sad part is, "experts" teach that life is all about you, you should put yourself first. Wrong. Why can't people see that? Life is so much happier when two people each put the other one first. Dang. Maybe I should write a book. No one would read it but at least I would get it out of my head.

[deacon]

Nola Foltson thinks so, too. And she's looking for some after the DP was reinstated. I know they were looking @ unsolved murders, but guess they couldn't attribute any of them to BTK.

And he will never tell them about them while he is alive.

[Nawny]

No way. That is used way too many times and we tend to think just because people do terrible things to others they must either be drugged or crazy. Not, they are evil. No good in them. Yes, there are people, and a lot of them, that think so much about themselves that they will do anyting to get what they want at any particular time. (it's all about me) Sad part is, "experts" teach that life is all about you, you should put yourself first. Wrong. Why can't people see that? Life is so much happier when two people each put the other one first. Dang. Maybe I should write a book. No one would read it but at least I would get it out of my head.

I understand what you're saying deacon. Answer me this: How did he hide his devious sick side all those years?

If he was unfaithful once with his wife's low life girlfriend, he had to have been unfaithful in the past. A cheating husband doesn't bloom that late. And IMO a killer is born not made just because he got a taste of a -porn flick come to life.- Why the 9 point 9 turn. He was obviously under the radar in his community.

I don't understand these things. I don't understand the kid killing! His mind had to be altered. His actions were or seemed out of character. What kind of thinking is that?

[Nawny]

It's all good Nawn..Deepy finished up with the Caylee OT thread and Caylee Discussion thread, etc. ;).. it's just what you're left with, you're not banned.

It's like starting fresh....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

:beer: Salute! ... Slainte..and Cin Cin, darlin!


:) I don't usually look at the numbers.. I looked and just wondered because she deleted a post I had written only a few hours before.. so the newer posts went out with the bathwater.. which is fine. I'll try to behave myself. (As long as no one gets me going on the Ants and the Coleman SOB, Nevaeh,,,,,):cuss: I can't contain myself. :cuss::(:mad:

[deacon]

I understand what you're saying deacon. Answer me this: How did he hide his devious sick side all those years?

If he was unfaithful once with his wife's low life girlfriend, he had to have been unfaithful in the past. A cheating husband doesn't bloom that late. And IMO a killer is born not made just because he got a taste of a -porn flick come to life.- Why the 9 point 9 turn. He was obviously under the radar in his community.

I don't understand these things. I don't understand the kid killing! His mind had to be altered. His actions were or seemed out of character. What kind of thinking is that?

Possiblity is he was always this way. The ability to kill is in everyone. Look at who is killing now. Mother, fathers, kids, husbands, wives, preachers, all types. Our society has gone to the point that we teach kids that they are more important than anyone else. Respect for others and their property is not taught. At one time, families who considered themselves Christian and other families taught children to respect others and other's property, now we don't.

Develope late? Not really that late. He probably was always that way in the place inside of him where he made decisions. It just took that long for the selfishness to exhibit itself in an adulterous and murderous way. We don't just hit the bottom all at once. Normally it is a downhill trip that lasts for years. Each step down is taken and when we see that there are no consequences then we go to the next step. I would venture to say that his first steps were not to cheat on his wife. There were other steps we don't know about. Actually, IMO there are not many steps between cheating on your wife and killing her. By cheating on her you have shown you have no respect for her. After no respect for her comes no respect for her life. If you have no respect for the person in your life that should be worth more to you than you own life then how can you have respect for the lives of your children? He built his life around himself. It appears no one else mattered that much to him.

The thing I can not figure out is why would a woman want anything to do with a man the she knows is married? If he cheats on the wife he has now, what makes them think he will not cheat on them?:shrug:

[Marian Paroo]

I understand what you're saying deacon. Answer me this: How did he hide his devious sick side all those years?



People see only what they want to see.

And the fact that they have certain stereoypes of who is good and who is bad, doesn't help. :shrug: :mad:

[beemer]

A 12-gauge should take care of it!


...now if only I had one...:chicken:

I got one-lots of em-house full of hunters-duck to clarify-I see its morning so prolly no need :tongue:

[beemer]

Gawd i am a newbie again :rolleyes:

[beemer]

That is not how a friend treats a friend. There is no excuse for what he did. Absolutely none. Judge, get the book ready and warm up your pitching arm. Throw that sucker right at his head.

Back to the "mistress"/hoe, with friends like that no one would need an enemy.:mad:
No kidding-they were friends!!!! I wonder how she feels now. I know she did not commit the crimes but she sure as hay has the blood of all 3 on her hands. I wonder is she is creeped out now knowing who he really is and the exchange of provocative pics. I think i would scrub my skin off. Heck of a thing for her to live with. You play you pay :cuss:

[beemer]

Mornin Nawny :seeya: Got the cawfee and the sippy cup on the go? deacon have you purchased a sippy cup yet? Got my cawfee pouring thru me :beer:

[beemer]

A 12-gauge should take care of it!


...now if only I had one...:chicken:
Did u guy's get busted by Nawny? Ya gotta tiptoe-she was in the chair not upstairs :D I got an alibi Nawny. I was not here/there. Deepy was putting me in the witness protection program :D Prolly was working on deleting yours complete as well. We are the newbies :hat:

[beemer]

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Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
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Q. Where will the government get this money?
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Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set,

thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
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If you spend it on gasoline it will go to - the Arabs.
If you purchase a computer it will go to - India .
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to - Mexico - Honduras - Guatemala .
If you buy a car it will go to - Japan .
If you purchase useless crap it will go to - Taiwan .

None, repeat, none of it will help the Canadian economy.



We really need to keep that money here in Canada .



Therefore, to ensure that the money stays in Canada , spend it at:

- yard sales,

- go to a hockey game,

or

- spend it on prostitutes,

- domestic beer & wine, or

- tattoos,

Since those are the only businesses still located in Canada .

[Amy]

No way. That is used way too many times and we tend to think just because people do terrible things to others they must either be drugged or crazy. Not, they are evil. No good in them. Yes, there are people, and a lot of them, that think so much about themselves that they will do anyting to get what they want at any particular time. (it's all about me) Sad part is, "experts" teach that life is all about you, you should put yourself first. Wrong. Why can't people see that? Life is so much happier when two people each put the other one first. Dang. Maybe I should write a book. No one would read it but at least I would get it out of my head.

I'd read it!!! Would even BUY it, not expecting a free, autographed copy--altho I would like mine autographed. I'd probably even write a book review and recommend others read it!!

Just drop me a pm when it's ready, lol.

[Amy]

I understand what you're saying deacon. Answer me this: How did he hide his devious sick side all those years?

If he was unfaithful once with his wife's low life girlfriend, he had to have been unfaithful in the past. A cheating husband doesn't bloom that late. And IMO a killer is born not made just because he got a taste of a -porn flick come to life.- Why the 9 point 9 turn. He was obviously under the radar in his community.

I don't understand these things. I don't understand the kid killing! His mind had to be altered. His actions were or seemed out of character. What kind of thinking is that?

I don't know about previous hanky-panky by this guy, but I'm betting he stroked his ego with prior relationships, or even one night stands.

But, it seems people like CC, SP--I don't think they have previous murders under their belts. They spent their lives trying to look and and "normal." They did the "expected" things, probably BMOC in high school, or @ least an attempt to be. I'm thinking, if they had never gotten married, they might still be functioning in their own twisted way, and they wouldn't kill anyone around them. But, they get married, and @ some point the marriage is standing in the way (and children or the soon-to-be-born) of being free to do what he wants. But, a divorce (even tho, in SP's case, divorce was not unknown in his family) puts him as a less-than-perfect person. He has built a wonderful picture of himself, and does not want that blemished--to say nothing of having to split marital assests, looking @ paying child support and possibly alimony. Better to have the sympathy of everyone (and never, ever expecting it to be national news) Oh, the poor fellow. His family murdered. Let's gather around and support him.

I think it is about wanting to be free--and I've never bought into the package that SP would have married Amber Frey. IMO, once he was free, he would not have married again, he wanted to be able to go after any woman he chose, @ any time. Amber would have gone by the wayside in no time, IMO. I see where CC gave a time of 6+ months before he would be marrying his gf--and I'm betting in those 6 months, he would have been enjoying his freedom and he wouldn't have gotten married again, not so quickly.

But, they had to be "free" in a way that would not mar the upstanding image they have managed to build of themselves. People around them tho't of them as upstanding fellows, good family men. Don't want to tarnish the "perfect" image in any way by divorcing a woman who, by all accounts is a GOOD woman, a good wife and in Sheri's case, a good mother. Laci didn't get her chance to be a good mother.

And, there IS the money aspect. Even if the wives are not murdered for the insurance policies--it sure didn't hurt that those policies were in place. Especially if there were money problems already in existence. IMO

[BeastofBears]

No way. That is used way too many times and we tend to think just because people do terrible things to others they must either be drugged or crazy. Not, they are evil. No good in them. Yes, there are people, and a lot of them, that think so much about themselves that they will do anyting to get what they want at any particular time. (it's all about me) Sad part is, "experts" teach that life is all about you, you should put yourself first. Wrong. Why can't people see that? Life is so much happier when two people each put the other one first. Dang. Maybe I should write a book. No one would read it but at least I would get it out of my head.

ITA. This was cold-blooded and pre-planned. They said in NG that the "threatening" e-mails from months ago were sent from Coleman's computer. It was set up so it would look like someone else did it, but instead of the ubiquitous roving band of hippies, Christian-haters were to be the perps. And that is why the scene had to look as evil and blasphemous as possible, to "sell" it.

Motive: keep his job in spite of the no-divorce clause from his boss, and yet get the girlfriend.

all imo...

[Amy]

No kidding-they were friends!!!! I wonder how she feels now. I know she did not commit the crimes but she sure as hay has the blood of all 3 on her hands. I wonder is she is creeped out now knowing who he really is and the exchange of provocative pics. I think i would scrub my skin off. Heck of a thing for her to live with. You play you pay :cuss:

Like Deacon says--why would a woman think that, if a man cheated on his wife with her, would she expect that he would not cheat on her? Of course, when your IN LOVE, you just KNOW that he would change, and be faithful, cuz YOU are the RIGHT one for him!!! (I really, really need the barf icon.)

I don't think the gf expected he would MURDER his wife and family to be with her, I am sure she was just expecting a divorce. And, since Sheri is by all accounts a nice person, she probably didn't expect it to be a NASTY divorce. I wonder if she ever considered their friendship? Of course, I am of the notion they were friends or friendly in high school, it seems their families were friends, but I never got the impression they were BFF in high school, and most likely not in touch all that much since they became adults and had their own lives--thousands of miles distant. IMO

But, I do imagine she is feeling some guilt in knowing that allegedly, CC murdered his family for her. Altho IMO, he murdered his family FOR HIM. Heck, down the road, he might have been enjoying his freedom from responsibility and committment so much, he might have decided to stay single for a while to enjoy it to the fullest.

[deacon]

ITA. This was cold-blooded and pre-planned. They said in NG that the "threatening" e-mails from months ago were sent from Coleman's computer. It was set up so it would look like someone else did it, but instead of the ubiquitous roving band of hippies, Christian-haters were to be the perps. And that is why the scene had to look as evil and blasphemous as possible, to "sell" it.

Motive: keep his job in spite of the no-divorce clause from his boss, and yet get the girlfriend.
all imo...


ITA except the last part. Don't think he would have married the GF. Either because she broke it off when she found out what he was really like or because he found another he liked better.

[BeastofBears]

Amber Frey rocks! There is one not-stupid slavish man-worshipper. Ah, sweet, cold, vengeance. Too bad more women in these situations don't appreciate the value of THAT!

[BeastofBears]

ITA except the last part. Don't think he would have married the GF. Either because she broke it off when she found out what he was really like or because he found another he liked better.

Well, he might have just wanted no wife, but could not get divorced, so this was the sick Plan B, a reset.

I don't agree with the TH's, though, about him being "full of hate"...I think he's full of nothing. The horrible grafitti is just part of the soddi set-up.

[Amy]

Stimulus Payment Info.

This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment.

This is a very exciting new federal program that I will explain using the Q and A format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set,

thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~



Below are some helpful hints on how you can best help the Canadian economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
NOTE:



If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to - China .
If you spend it on gasoline it will go to - the Arabs.
If you purchase a computer it will go to - India .
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to - Mexico - Honduras - Guatemala .
If you buy a car it will go to - Japan .
If you purchase useless crap it will go to - Taiwan .

None, repeat, none of it will help the Canadian economy.



We really need to keep that money here in Canada .



Therefore, to ensure that the money stays in Canada , spend it at:

- yard sales,

- go to a hockey game,

or

- spend it on prostitutes,

- domestic beer & wine, or

- tattoos,

Since those are the only businesses still located in Canada .

LOL!!! Could easily substitute US for Canada in these scenarios!!!!

I laugh, but it's kind of scary, really.

[Amy]

So, Beemer--did someone take you down, or did you just decide to change your nic?

And, Nawny and formerly Javahog (took me a minute on that one, til I looked @ her location, lol!!!)

You all trying to be incognito? Isn't working, ya know!!! We see right thru those new nics, we KNOW who you are!!! :D

[BeastofBears]

Gawd i am a newbie again :rolleyes:

Nice avatar! Since it still seems to be the dead of winter in sunny *snork* California, I need that!

[BeastofBears]

So, Beemer--did someone take you down, or did you just decide to change your nic?

And, Nawny and formerly Javahog (took me a minute on that one, til I looked @ her location, lol!!!)

You all trying to be incognito? Isn't working, ya know!!! We see right thru those new nics, we KNOW who you are!!! :D

I pm'd you...

[Nawny]

Did u guy's get busted by Nawny? Ya gotta tiptoe-she was in the chair not upstairs :D I got an alibi Nawny. I was not here/there. Deeply was putting me in the witness protection program :D Probably was working on deleting yours complete as well. We are the newbies :hat:

ROTFLMHO!!!!!!!!! You are too much!!!! Love it!

Love your new avatar and the fact that we are in the witness protection program. Now we have to be nice. That freakin little lying sack of crap IMO killed her little girl and the other SOB let Nevaeh get killed and should be put in jail with the killer because she is a total brain dead selfish idiot and that sick M-effer Coleman should rot in the worse hell possible and and and and... so there! And those are my opinions!

[old_soul]

Possiblity is he was always this way. The ability to kill is in everyone. Look at who is killing now. Mother, fathers, kids, husbands, wives, preachers, all types. Our society has gone to the point that we teach kids that they are more important than anyone else. Respect for others and their property is not taught. At one time, families who considered themselves Christian and other families taught children to respect others and other's property, now we don't.

Develope late? Not really that late. He probably was always that way in the place inside of him where he made decisions. It just took that long for the selfishness to exhibit itself in an adulterous and murderous way. We don't just hit the bottom all at once. Normally it is a downhill trip that lasts for years. Each step down is taken and when we see that there are no consequences then we go to the next step. I would venture to say that his first steps were not to cheat on his wife. There were other steps we don't know about. Actually, IMO there are not many steps between cheating on your wife and killing her. By cheating on her you have shown you have no respect for her. After no respect for her comes no respect for her life. If you have no respect for the person in your life that should be worth more to you than you own life then how can you have respect for the lives of your children? He built his life around himself. It appears no one else mattered that much to him.

The thing I can not figure out is why would a woman want anything to do with a man the she knows is married? If he cheats on the wife he has now, what makes them think he will not cheat on them?:shrug:

http://i40.tinypic.com/qyemhy.jpg

Because you are a man, your perspective is telling............
It was all about him. If they divorced he would lose his job. I would also agree, this was not his first affair. It was very sad to hear he and his parmour were actually planning their wedding. He meticulously planned out his killing, with the death threat letters dating back to March (if I remember correctly) so that when his time felt right, he would kill them. Yes, a set up. Planning every detail..

What bothers me is the degree to which he did the killings and cover up...the spray painting the wall, to even probably having sex with Sheri before he killed her, catching her off guard. (on that, it's my thought, because I can't see her sleeping or lying around naked in bed with the boys right in the next rooms.)

A coward. A sneak. A liar. A self absorbed, selfish piece of crap. A murderer of innocent people. Payback's gonna be a b***h. He should consult his pastor daddy on that, those flames in hell, fire and brimstone..... uh huh.

[Nawny]

So, Beemer--did someone take you down, or did you just decide to change your nic?

And, Nawny and formerly Javahog (took me a minute on that one, til I looked @ her location, lol!!!)

You all trying to be incognito? Isn't working, ya know!!! We see right thru those new nics, we KNOW who you are!!! :D

LOL!!!! Amy don't you know we had to clean up our act a little? Those sue happy Ants are on a search and destroy mission aye? Of course they will be wasting their time, but we don't want them wasting ours. Just don't remember any danagher, do you?

Hugs, lol!

[deacon]

http://i40.tinypic.com/qyemhy.jpg

Because you are a man, your perspective is telling............
It was all about him. If they divorced he would lose his job. I would also agree, this was not his first affair. It was very sad to hear he and his parmour were actually planning their wedding. He meticulously planned out his killing, with the death threat letters dating back to March (if I remember correctly) so that when his time felt right, he would kill them. Yes, a set up. Planning every detail..

What bothers me is the degree to which he did the killings and cover up...the spray painting the wall, to even probably having sex with Sheri before he killed her, catching her off guard. (on that, it's my thought, because I can't see her sleeping or lying around naked in bed with the boys right in the next rooms.)
A coward. A sneak. A liar. A self absorbed, selfish piece of crap. A murderer of innocent people. Payback's gonna be a b***h. He should consult his pastor daddy on that, those flames in hell, fire and brimstone..... uh huh.

The only thing I wonder about is the sex thing. He could have been trying to form a picture of a home invasion/rape gone wrong. The perp. broke into the house to rape his wife and ended up killing her before the rape happened and then was forced to kill the children to make sure no witnesses.

[deacon]

LOL!!!! Amy don't you know we had to clean up our act a little? Those sue happy Ants are on a search and destroy mission aye? Of course they will be wasting their time, but we don't want them wasting ours. Just don't remember any danagher, do you?

Hugs, lol!

Never heard of that person. Maybe a long time ago but haven't seen them in a really long time here.:biggrin:

[Nawny]

http://i40.tinypic.com/qyemhy.jpg

Because you are a man, your perspective is telling............
It was all about him. If they divorced he would lose his job. I would also agree, this was not his first affair. It was very sad to hear he and his parmour were actually planning their wedding. He meticulously planned out his killing, with the death threat letters dating back to March (if I remember correctly) so that when his time felt right, he would kill them. Yes, a set up. Planning every detail..

What bothers me is the degree to which he did the killings and cover up...the spray painting the wall, to even probably having sex with Sheri before he killed her, catching her off guard. (on that, it's my thought, because I can't see her sleeping or lying around naked in bed with the boys right in the next rooms.)

A coward. A sneak. A liar. A self absorbed, selfish piece of crap. A murderer of innocent people. Payback's gonna be a b***h. He should consult his pastor daddy on that, those flames in hell, fire and brimstone..... uh huh.

Ya know, reading this is clearing up a few things. First of all, it proves how STUPID he is. He had a plan, however unrealistic, his plan was to get them murdered by a stalker and be the poor husband/father who lost his family. He doesn't watch TrueTV eh? He didn't' know they would look at his hard drive at work???????

IT also clearly tells me how powerful his sex drive was, because we all know why men cheat? Don't' we? It had to be her sexual power because its obvious he is incapable of love. That is one SOB of a motive init? His fantasy was old enough for him to actually see the sense in writing on his own son's bed. He must have relived the actions so many times they became impulse. Auto pilot! Wait till he wakes up from his dream world and realizes what he's done! If I see his preacher father in court rallying for him, I swear that will be the day I lose my TV.

She must be one hottie! I'd like to see her fall down an elevator shaft.

Off to Ariculotherapy. 5 more visits. Today is TOTAL quit day. :seeya:

[deacon]

Ya know, reading this is clearing up a few things. First of all, it proves how STUPID he is. He had a plan, however unrealistic, his plan was to get them murdered by a stalker and be the poor husband/father who lost his family. He doesn't watch TrueTV eh? He didn't' know they would look at his hard drive at work???????

IT also clearly tells me how powerful his sex drive was, because we all know why men cheat? Don't' we? It had to be her sexual power because its obvious he is incapable of love. That is one SOB of a motive init? His fantasy was old enough for him to actually see the sense in writing on his own son's bed. He must have relived the actions so many times they became impulse. Auto pilot! Wait till he wakes up from his dream world and realizes what he's done! If I see his preacher father in court rallying for him, I swear that will be the day I lose my TV.

She must be one hottie! I'd like to see her fall down an elevator shaft.

Off to Ariculotherapy. 5 more visits. Today is TOTAL quit day. :seeya:


Evil is as evil does. Not doing the judgemental thing on him, just his actions. Now that does mean he made a very bad decision on several fronts.

I would guess you will see his father in court but quietly and not in the press. There is a big difference. By this time certain people who live in Florida who shall remain nameless, were already on the news screaming "the nanny did it, the nanny did it."

[Amy]

LOL!!!! Amy don't you know we had to clean up our act a little? Those sue happy Ants are on a search and destroy mission aye? Of course they will be wasting their time, but we don't want them wasting ours. Just don't remember any danagher, do you?

Hugs, lol!

Forgotten already!! lol, in fact, had to think a minute just WHO you used to be!!! :eek:

[old_soul]

Gawd i am a newbie again :rolleyes:

Hahahahaha, so your are! Well, welcome to the thread, darlin, let us be the first to re-indoctrinate you into the Anthony Hall of Shame, where nothing is to be believed, and everything is to be taken with a bowl of chili....

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<<<huggs>>> :D

[Amy]

Hahahahaha, so your are! Well, welcome to the thread, darlin, let us be the first to re-indoctrinate you into the Anthony Hall of Shame, where nothing is to be believed, and everything is to be taken with a bowl of chili....

Just remember the rules: Bring your own.http://i43.tinypic.com/2ikvdjr.jpg
Bring your own.http://i43.tinypic.com/ehyrd5.jpg
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We bring AND share...http://i44.tinypic.com/9jf6vr.jpg

Our Motto....http://i42.tinypic.com/ojh83k.jpg

AND, as always, we are polite, and even clap sometimes...http://i41.tinypic.com/2ai0y2u.gif

<<<huggs>>> :D

AH, OS, you have put it all in a nutshell, and brightened my day with laughter. Now, to explain to my kids what it is I'm laughing about --this time.

[beemer]

So, Beemer--did someone take you down, or did you just decide to change your nic?

And, Nawny and formerly Javahog (took me a minute on that one, til I looked @ her location, lol!!!)

You all trying to be incognito? Isn't working, ya know!!! We see right thru those new nics, we KNOW who you are!!! :D

Nope i took myself down, Shades of paranoia, I like beemer better anyways. I was hoping you would know who i was :beer:

[beemer]

OS you are so dang funny-feeling better i hope? Ya sound like your ole self again. Can i still be an Assonthething tho once in a blue moon? :seeya:

[beemer]

Nice avatar! Since it still seems to be the dead of winter in sunny *snork* California, I need that!

Gawd you are prolly getting the weather we HAD-sorry. Yes that is a fav. spot of ours in winter-on Bavaro Beach. There are even beds on the beach !!!!! :D:beer:

[beemer]

ROTFLMHO!!!!!!!!! You are too much!!!! Love it!

Love your new avatar and the fact that we are in the witness protection program. Now we have to be nice. That freakin little lying sack of crap IMO killed her little girl and the other SOB let Nevaeh get killed and should be put in jail with the killer because she is a total brain dead selfish idiot and that sick M-effer Coleman should rot in the worse hell possible and and and and... so there! And those are my opinions!
Yep-everything you said :D Good luck with the not smoking thing :rose:

[beemer]

Never heard of that person. Maybe a long time ago but haven't seen them in a really long time here.:biggrin:

I saw em but it was a really long time ago. Danagher was on the back of a horse with a lady with long read hair. They were riding off into the sunset. Maybe they got beemed up?? :tongue:

[beemer]

Like Deacon says--why would a woman think that, if a man cheated on his wife with her, would she expect that he would not cheat on her? Of course, when your IN LOVE, you just KNOW that he would change, and be faithful, cuz YOU are the RIGHT one for him!!! (I really, really need the barf icon.)

I don't think the gf expected he would MURDER his wife and family to be with her, I am sure she was just expecting a divorce. And, since Sheri is by all accounts a nice person, she probably didn't expect it to be a NASTY divorce. I wonder if she ever considered their friendship? Of course, I am of the notion they were friends or friendly in high school, it seems their families were friends, but I never got the impression they were BFF in high school, and most likely not in touch all that much since they became adults and had their own lives--thousands of miles distant. IMO

But, I do imagine she is feeling some guilt in knowing that allegedly, CC murdered his family for her. Altho IMO, he murdered his family FOR HIM. Heck, down the road, he might have been enjoying his freedom from responsibility and committment so much, he might have decided to stay single for a while to enjoy it to the fullest.
Thats the prob Amy she didn't think. I am sure she did not expect this outcome but at the very least she would hurt Sheri and 2 young boys. I'm sure her brain was all wrapped up in lust land. People do the stupidest azz things and dont think when in lust. Lust and Love two different things. She was likely a bit of both and we know where his brain was :flamemad::cuss:

[old_soul]

OS you are so dang funny-feeling better i hope? Ya sound like your ole self again. Can i still be an Assonthething tho once in a blue moon? :seeya:

Oh, yes, absolutely! :seeya: Anytime you want, just warn us first, LOL! ....and I'M Sure one of those beach chairs are for Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! I'll bring the Haterade and the cold pasta salad, ok!

<<huggs for the 'healing thoughts' ~ I caught those last posts of yours (last night) before Deepy sent them to oblivion!>> Starting to feel like meeeeself again too!

:beer:

[old_soul]

Thats the prob Amy she didn't think. I am sure she did not expect this outcome but at the very least she would hurt Sheri and 2 young boys. I'm sure her brain was all wrapped up in lust land. People do the stupidest azz things and dont think when in lust. Lust and Love two different things. She was likely a bit of both and we know where his brain was :flamemad::cuss:


She broke a 'Woman's Cardinal Rule'........

Never mess around with somebody else's other...whether it's a boyfriend, husband ...not during, not after...:no:

Now THIS is what she has to live with..(worth it, Honey?)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:

Anyone know why I can't use my 'colors' ? It's next to the Sizes thingee..is it just moi?

[beemer]

Oh, yes, absolutely! :seeya: Anytime you want, just warn us first, LOL! ....and I'M Sure one of those beach chairs are for Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! I'll bring the Haterade and the cold pasta salad, ok!

<<huggs for the 'healing thoughts' ~ I caught those last posts of yours (last night) before Deepy sent them to oblivion!>> Starting to feel like meeeeself again too!

:beer:
For sure-chair or bed whatever your pleasure has your name on it!!!! So i guess in a sense i am floating around in cyberspace-how appropriate he he. Hugs back i am so glad u feel better just in time for a doc dump tomorrow YEE HAW

[Amy]

She broke a 'Woman's Cardinal Rule'........

Never mess around with somebody else's other...whether it's a boyfriend, husband ...not during, not after...:no:

Now THIS is what she has to live with..(worth it, Honey?)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:

Anyone know why I can't use my 'colors' ? It's next to the Sizes thingee..is it just moi?

So many women break that rule (as do men.) Fortunately most do not suffer such severe consequences as this.

The color thing--I can rarely get it to work for me, and so don't even try much. Sometimes I can get it to color a part of a post that I am trying to quote. I just figured it was my and my lack of computer savvy.

[beemer]

So many women break that rule (as do men.) Fortunately most do not suffer such severe consequences as this.

The color thing--I can rarely get it to work for me, and so don't even try much. Sometimes I can get it to color a part of a post that I am trying to quote. I just figured it was my and my lack of computer savvy.

The thing i hate bout it besides ya just dont do that to a friend. It's what it does to the spouse and children. It's just not right. If ya aint happy get out. Then when all is settled start dating. Respectful thing to do and least a person can do for their children. We have all seen it happen.

[Nawny]

Never heard of that person. Maybe a long time ago but haven't seen them in a really long time here.:biggrin:

LOL!!! Who luvs ya baby? :hat:

[Nawny]

Hahahahaha, so your are! Well, welcome to the thread, darlin, let us be the first to re-indoctrinate you into the Anthony Hall of Shame, where nothing is to be believed, and everything is to be taken with a bowl of chili....

Just remember the rules: Bring your own.http://i43.tinypic.com/2ikvdjr.jpg
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<<<huggs>>> :D


OH MY Precious little goommadah.. That was priceless!!!:beer:

[Nawny]

She broke a 'Woman's Cardinal Rule'........

Never mess around with somebody else's other...whether it's a boyfriend, husband ...not during, not after...:no:

Now THIS is what she has to live with..(worth it, Honey?)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:

Anyone know why I can't use my 'colors' ? It's next to the Sizes thingee..is it just moi?

OHHHHH Don't EVEN get me started on THAT subject! Shall I?

After 20 years of marriage to a heavy drinker who lived his off time in a local bar, where only men went to drink, I learned something. THe place was a dump. No phone. Never saw a woman in there. Just old drunks and he was the youngest in there. I had 4 kids and a pizza place down the street a few blocks. When ever I needed to tell him something, like "Ah hello? It's Xmas Eve, ya wanna get home? Or, Can you get yourself to the high school, our son is graduating tonight? Or, Can you get home and watch the kids so I can go to work? Needless to say, he was a jerk..

Anyway, one night I went in there to tell him something and I saw a woman sitting in the corner. She had a black eye. I asked him who she was. He said, "Ah, she's just a prostitute. Hmmm, I saw her after that a few times too.

When I left him he was seen with her. It took no time to learn he and she were a thing. 7 years later I married Poppa and on occasion they were invited to attend celebrations for my kids, weddings, graduations several of those parties were held at my home. I was cordial. I was also happily married.

One day the stupid idiot said to my DD, "I've been with your father for 15 years and still, no ring." She said, "HOW LONG? Gosh my mom and dad have only been divorced for 11 years!" I guess she failed math in grammar school. :eek:

They are no longer a thing, she's been long gone for a while now, but the day she looked me in the eye at the red light, on my way to work, I knew. Wives always know. Sometimes they don't know WHO, but they know.
:seeya:

[beemer]

I'm so glad you have poppa now-you deserve so much good in your life. What an asshat eh? Did ya ever say to him so how do ya like me now asshat? Or maybe even think it? You went on to do very well and did he ever get it? Poppa is one lucky man ;):rose:

[Nawny]

I'm so glad you have poppa now-you deserve so much good in your life. What an asshat eh? Did ya ever say to him so how do ya like me now asshat? Or maybe even think it? You went on to do very well and did he ever get it? Poppa is one lucky man ;):rose:

Aww thank you Beem. :) Actually it got even better than that. I didn' thave to ask him how he likes me now, he stutters when he sees us. After she maxed out his credit cards and and ran off with another guy much younger than her, he was out on a limb and was contemplating moving in with one of our kids. Poppa offered him a low rent ( 3 roomer second floor) in a house we own in the city. So now he pays us rent.

When poppa got the first rent check he called me over to his desk and handed it to me and told me to go buy something nice for myself. :confused: I didn't notice the signature. I asked him what it was. He said, "A present for you" I almost peed when I saw the signature and he said, "That's some Karma baby!"
Gotta luv poppa! :rose:

My ex is still an asshat, (though much improved) just an older one. Whaddiyagonnado? :)

[BeastofBears]

Aww thank you Beem. :) Actually it got even better than that. I didn' thave to ask him how he likes me now, he stutters when he sees us. After she maxed out his credit cards and and ran off with another guy much younger than her, he was out on a limb and was contemplating moving in with one of our kids. Poppa offered him a low rent ( 3 roomer second floor) in a house we own in the city. So now he pays us rent.

When poppa got the first rent check he called me over to his desk and handed it to me and told me to go buy something nice for myself. :confused: I didn't notice the signature. I asked him what it was. He said, "A present for you" I almost peed when I saw the signature and he said, "That's some Karma baby!"
Gotta luv poppa! :rose:

My ex is still an asshat, (though much improved) just an older one. Whaddiyagonnado? :)

Poppa's a prince! Don't turn him out, lol!

I got bit by a spider on the back of my neck today. It hurts. I'm mad. :flamemad:

[Nawny]

Poppa's a prince! Don't turn him out, lol!

I got bit by a spider on the back of my neck today. It hurts. I'm mad. :flamemad:

Ah! That is so awful honey. Go online and see how to care for it. I know spider bites are so uncomfortable! There must be something you can do for it. Go see.

[BeastofBears]

Ah! That is so awful honey. Go online and see how to care for it. I know spider bites are so uncomfortable! There must be something you can do for it. Go see.

The only thing that's helping is a hot pack as hot as I can take it. I don't even know what kind it was (let's just say it was not intact long after chomping on me, lol!), but...owww! It's right on my mastoid process, so every time I turn my head...owww! But before this happened, I went out and bought bathing suits for the kids, because we are going to Disneyland in the near future:D! So it could be a worse day. Now if summer would just come already...

[beemer]

Aww thank you Beem. :) Actually it got even better than that. I didn' thave to ask him how he likes me now, he stutters when he sees us. After she maxed out his credit cards and and ran off with another guy much younger than her, he was out on a limb and was contemplating moving in with one of our kids. Poppa offered him a low rent ( 3 roomer second floor) in a house we own in the city. So now he pays us rent.

When poppa got the first rent check he called me over to his desk and handed it to me and told me to go buy something nice for myself. :confused: I didn't notice the signature. I asked him what it was. He said, "A present for you" I almost peed when I saw the signature and he said, "That's some Karma baby!"
Gotta luv poppa! :rose:

My ex is still an asshat, (though much improved) just an older one. Whaddiyagonnado? :)
Now that poppa has some class. That is the best Karma i have ever heard. Luv it ;)

[beemer]

The only thing that's helping is a hot pack as hot as I can take it. I don't even know what kind it was (let's just say it was not intact long after chomping on me, lol!), but...owww! It's right on my mastoid process, so every time I turn my head...owww! But before this happened, I went out and bought bathing suits for the kids, because we are going to Disneyland in the near future:D! So it could be a worse day. Now if summer would just come already...

Wow-keep an eye on it BOB since ya dont know what it was. I had one a coupla years ago but i did not know what it was. Ever so helpful hubby was panicking thinking i had the flesh eating disease. It was on my upper arm. It was growing before our eyes-the big bubble and the red hot around it. Had a hole in the middle. I had a left over cortisone cream that i put on the hot and it took that down. I finally went to the docs as this huge blistery thing was still there. He took a needle and drained it-dressed it and good to go. Try a cortisone cream if ya have one. Good luck and keep us posted.

[beemer]

Well one good thing its always summer at Disney :beer: Good to hear you are going.

[deacon]

The only thing that's helping is a hot pack as hot as I can take it. I don't even know what kind it was (let's just say it was not intact long after chomping on me, lol!), but...owww! It's right on my mastoid process, so every time I turn my head...owww! But before this happened, I went out and bought bathing suits for the kids, because we are going to Disneyland in the near future:D! So it could be a worse day. Now if summer would just come already...

Make absolutely sure you keep a close eye on that bite. Those things, certain kinds, can be bad news.

[BeastofBears]

Well one good thing its always summer at Disney :beer: Good to hear you are going.

Not in the spring of '00 it wasn't! There was this thunderstorm hovering over the park and my bff and I ran from ride to ride, then finally hid in the Disney California Hotel to dry off...still fun, though. But my hubby is...delicate. I don't think he would enjoy that:D But it will be exceedingly fun. I have my boy memorizing the map!

[Nawny]

Wow-keep an eye on it BOB since ya dont know what it was. I had one a coupla years ago but i did not know what it was. Ever so helpful hubby was panicking thinking i had the flesh eating disease. It was on my upper arm. It was growing before our eyes-the big bubble and the red hot around it. Had a hole in the middle. I had a left over cortisone cream that i put on the hot and it took that down. I finally went to the docs as this huge blistery thing was still there. He took a needle and drained it-dressed it and good to go. Try a cortisone cream if ya have one. Good luck and keep us posted.

Yes that's what I've heard about bites. THey end up getting drained. My son sat on one and it wasn't too comfortable for him in that area. It must depend on the spider type.

[Nawny]

The thing i hate bout it besides ya just dont do that to a friend. It's what it does to the spouse and children. It's just not right. If ya aint happy get out. Then when all is settled start dating. Respectful thing to do and least a person can do for their children. We have all seen it happen.

"When all is settled, start dating" There ya go. So true. By the time I got divorced, my two older ones were already in college. My younger son was 15, and my little one was 11. A few men asked me out then and I had to decline because I had a very pretty little girl. One guy who asked me out was a doctor and he thought that was his free pass to get me to agree. It wasn't. She was too little.

I even gave poppa a hell of a time and she was almost out of high school by then. lol! But poppa now, well, he was something else. :rose: Because of him, she is a college grad with a very sucessful career. So it can turn out good.

[beemer]

"When all is settled, start dating" There ya go. So true. By the time I got divorced, my two older ones were already in college. My younger son was 15, and my little one was 11. A few men asked me out then and I had to decline because I had a very pretty little girl. One guy who asked me out was a doctor and he thought that was his free pass to get me to agree. It wasn't. She was too little.

I even gave poppa a hell of a time and she was almost out of high school by then. lol! But poppa now, well, he was something else. :rose: Because of him, she is a college grad with a very sucessful career. So it can turn out good.

For sure but it turned out good Nawny cuz of your morals and values. It attracts folks with the same. People treat us based on the standard we set for ourselves. Cheers to you and the many fine women here-and deacon :beer:

[beemer]

Anyone catch NG tonight? Is it worth a looky? I can catch it here at 10.

[Nawny]

Evil is as evil does. Not doing the judgemental thing on him, just his actions. Now that does mean he made a very bad decision on several fronts.

I would guess you will see his father in court but quietly and not in the press. There is a big difference. By this time certain people who live in Florida who shall remain nameless, were already on the news screaming "the nanny did it, the nanny did it."

I don't see the point of his father appearing anywhere near that satan's spawn. I don't want to see him there. I'll hate him if he is there. Mother too. He is not worthy of any support.

Yeah it seems the media isn't getting any juice on this one. That's probably due to the CMA case and what it's caused. But there is no sunshine law in Coleman's state, is there?

[Nawny]

I don't know about previous hanky-panky by this guy, but I'm betting he stroked his ego with prior relationships, or even one night stands.

But, it seems people like CC, SP--I don't think they have previous murders under their belts. They spent their lives trying to look and and "normal." They did the "expected" things, probably BMOC in high school, or @ least an attempt to be. I'm thinking, if they had never gotten married, they might still be functioning in their own twisted way, and they wouldn't kill anyone around them. But, they get married, and @ some point the marriage is standing in the way (and children or the soon-to-be-born) of being free to do what he wants. But, a divorce (even tho, in SP's case, divorce was not unknown in his family) puts him as a less-than-perfect person. He has built a wonderful picture of himself, and does not want that blemished--to say nothing of having to split marital assests, looking @ paying child support and possibly alimony. Better to have the sympathy of everyone (and never, ever expecting it to be national news) Oh, the poor fellow. His family murdered. Let's gather around and support him.

I think it is about wanting to be free--and I've never bought into the package that SP would have married Amber Frey. IMO, once he was free, he would not have married again, he wanted to be able to go after any woman he chose, @ any time. Amber would have gone by the wayside in no time, IMO. I see where CC gave a time of 6+ months before he would be marrying his gf--and I'm betting in those 6 months, he would have been enjoying his freedom and he wouldn't have gotten married again, not so quickly.

But, they had to be "free" in a way that would not mar the upstanding image they have managed to build of themselves. People around them tho't of them as upstanding fellows, good family men. Don't want to tarnish the "perfect" image in any way by divorcing a woman who, by all accounts is a GOOD woman, a good wife and in Sheri's case, a good mother. Laci didn't get her chance to be a good mother.

And, there IS the money aspect. Even if the wives are not murdered for the insurance policies--it sure didn't hurt that those policies were in place. Especially if there were money problems already in existence. IMO


Excellent porfiling deacon! It all makes sense. Thanks. I love answers.

[Nawny]

Anyone catch NG tonight? Is it worth a looky? I can catch it here at 10.

Going there now... I missed the 8pm one.

:seeya:

[beemer]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31265312?GT1=43001
I never thought fabric such as this was still around ?????

[BeastofBears]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31265312?GT1=43001
I never thought fabric such as this was still around ?????

Amazing, isn't it? To speculate: Somebody in a factory thought, hey, this is nice fabric! And the importer didn't do any tests to see if the robes met standards. (that was speculation) When I've travelled, I've seen gasoline used to scrub pots, gas cans used to haul water, tires burnt for making bread, you name it (the gov may be intrusive, but we are lucky here anyway!)

Some fabrics are literally made out of petrochemicals and torch up...but even scarier are the flame retardant chemicals on baby materials *shiver*

[deacon]

I don't see the point of his father appearing anywhere near that satan's spawn. I don't want to see him there. I'll hate him if he is there. Mother too. He is not worthy of any support.

Yeah it seems the media isn't getting any juice on this one. That's probably due to the CMA case and what it's caused. But there is no sunshine law in Coleman's state, is there?

Well, by being there they are not agreeing with what he did. I would be there. Not because I think he is innocent or because I think he should be "cut a break." Simply because he is my son. I don't tend to withhold my love because someone has messed up. No matter how much they have messed up. Now, that does not mean I agree with what they did, it just means I love them in spite of what they did. Shoot, if you quit loving people because they did something wrong there would be no one left to love. We all mess up. No, I do not agree with what this dork did. It is evil and he should be punished for it. What ever that punishment should be. The difference between this case and the cma case is that the ant's are making excuses and saying she did not do it. They are media hounds and are playing it to the hilt. These folks don't seem to be doing that. Simply quietly supporting their son and not drawing attention to themselves. If they start doing the media/deny thing then my opinion of them will change.

[Nawny]

Well, by being there they are not agreeing with what he did. I would be there. Not because I think he is innocent or because I think he should be "cut a break." Simply because he is my son. I don't tend to withhold my love because someone has messed up. No matter how much they have messed up. Now, that does not mean I agree with what they did, it just means I love them in spite of what they did. Shoot, if you quit loving people because they did something wrong there would be no one left to love. We all mess up. No, I do not agree with what this dork did. It is evil and he should be punished for it. What ever that punishment should be. The difference between this case and the cma case is that the ant's are making excuses and saying she did not do it. They are media hounds and are playing it to the hilt. These folks don't seem to be doing that. Simply quietly supporting their son and not drawing attention to themselves. If they start doing the media/deny thing then my opinion of them will change.


Hmmm, thinking about what you said, I know that love doesn't end when our children do wrong. Of course not. My problem is when parents defend and lie for children who kill. I would definitely NOT be in court if that happened in my life. My love would remain however, of course.

What the A's have done is try to make fools of the public and made fools of themselves instead. We get that it's their daughter, and we get that they love her and want to support her. So they should shaddaph and do it. Most parents do it. There is no sin in that. Sometimes our children are wrong. When mine are wrong, I say they're wrong. It has nothing to do with my love. When they make me proud, I talk to that too. ;)

When they get on about her innocence they are of the mind set that she represents who they are, and they are really defending themselves. That's the part of them I can't stomach. Before this happened they lived vicariously through her too. My hat's off to them if they think she's innocent but I wouldn't want to be them the day she's convicted. They'll fight that too.

[beemer]

Good morning :seeya: Everyone got their cawfee and good to go?

[Marian Paroo]

Good morning :seeya: Everyone got their cawfee and good to go?

Hey, it's 17:45 here -- I'm thinking dinna! I got a nice piece of salmon fillet that I am wondering what to do with.

I'm leaning toward a cold pasta salad. I think it's somewhere in the 80s with matching humidity.

[beemer]

Hey, it's 17:45 here -- I'm thinking dinna! I got a nice piece of salmon fillet that I am wondering what to do with.

I'm leaning toward a cold pasta salad. I think it's somewhere in the 80s with matching humidity.

Sounds good Marion enjoy :beer: Luv cold pasta salad.

[Marian Paroo]

Sounds good Marion enjoy :beer: Luv cold pasta salad.

Salmon ligthly poached, pasta, sundried tomatoes, green beans barely cooked, red onions and almonds. Olive oil and lemon juice, salt and pepper.

Glass of pinot grigio, and fresh cherries for dessert.

I love Friday end of the week dinners.

[BeastofBears]

Salmon ligthly poached, pasta, sundried tomatoes, green beans barely cooked, red onions and almonds. Olive oil and lemon juice, salt and pepper.

Glass of pinot grigio, and fresh cherries for dessert.

I love Friday end of the week dinners.

Mmmmm...Friday night was the one night we would get decent food on the dig, lol! Actually, different food. Every single day we were served chicken schnitzel and mashed potatoes with gravy. It was good. But then I began noticing that it was every day, and it lost its luster...

That sounds like a fine meal, MP!

[Nawny]

:beer:

Minnesota and Massachusetts made my day! :) Nawny's twinnies. I can't take it I tell ya! LOL!!!

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/2u4r33m/5)

God love and protect the weeble wobbles all over the world!
:rose::rose:

[Nawny]

I hope this generation is more patriotic and my hope seems possible just watching what teachers of these kindergarten children are teaching them. My heart is so full today :)

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/b8l8r6/5)

I had to share this.. sometimes we need to see the heart warming stuff after reading all about sadness. When things get me down on the CL, I go here. Enjoy the angel bells ringing.. the sounds of our future generation :)

Miss Minnesota isn't paying attention. :hat:

[BeastofBears]

I hope this generation is more patriotic and my hope seems possible just watching what teachers of these kindergarten children are teaching them. My heart is so full today :)

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/b8l8r6/5)

I had to share this.. sometimes we need to see the heart warming stuff after reading all about sadness. When things get me down on the CL, I go here. Enjoy the angel bells ringing.. the sounds of our future generation :)

Miss Minnesota isn't paying attention. :hat:

Yeah! Patriotism is a good and sweet thing! How else can you enjoy the wonderful Fourth of July? :patriot:

[lighthousedazy]

I hope this generation is more patriotic and my hope seems possible just watching what teachers of these kindergarten children are teaching them. My heart is so full today :)

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/b8l8r6/5)

I had to share this.. sometimes we need to see the heart warming stuff after reading all about sadness. When things get me down on the CL, I go here. Enjoy the angel bells ringing.. the sounds of our future generation :)

Miss Minnesota isn't paying attention. :hat:Oh Nawny, that was beautiful. Looks like the same classroom setting when my grandson graduated from Pre-K about 5 years ago. The teacher had the song "I Believe I can Fly" playing when they got their diplomas and there was not a dry eye in the room. :patriot:

[beemer]

Nawny that was lovely-thanx for sharing it :rose:

[Nawny]

Oh Nawny, that was beautiful. Looks like the same classroom setting when my grandson graduated from Pre-K about 5 years ago. The teacher had the song "I Believe I can Fly" playing when they got their diplomas and there was not a dry eye in the room. :patriot:

I always cry when I see them do their shows and when they graduate. Aye, I cry when they go potty. ;) I just got filled up when I read about "I believe I can fly" playing while your grandson graduated. I'm pathetic.

Bless the children. Why would anyone hurt them? :rose:

Those friken bas-turd murderers... :flamemad:

[lighthousedazy]

I always cry when I see them do their shows and when they graduate. Aye, I cry when they go potty. ;) I just got filled up when I read about "I believe I can fly" playing while your grandson graduated. I'm pathetic.

Bless the children. Why would anyone hurt them? :rose:

Those friken bas-turd murderers... :flamemad:Oh no, you are not pathetic. I agree. I could never in my lifetime understand how anyone could hurt a child. :( Bless little Caylee and all the others who are victims of violence. :rose:

[BeastofBears]

I hope this generation is more patriotic and my hope seems possible just watching what teachers of these kindergarten children are teaching them. My heart is so full today :)

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/b8l8r6/5)

I had to share this.. sometimes we need to see the heart warming stuff after reading all about sadness. When things get me down on the CL, I go here. Enjoy the angel bells ringing.. the sounds of our future generation :)

Miss Minnesota isn't paying attention. :hat:

Aww, that made me cry! I can't wait for the Fourth!!!!!!

[BeastofBears]

Oh no, you are not pathetic. I agree. I could never in my lifetime understand how anyone could hurt a child. :( Bless little Caylee and all the others who are victims of violence. :rose:

Its a special kind of evil that could hurt a helpless defenseless child, and that's not opinion, its a fact. Anyone who would go so far as to kill a child should never walk among humans again.

[Nawny]

Aww, that made me cry! I can't wait for the Fourth!!!!!!

LOL! Are you one of those who do it up and have those 100 people parties where they give nawny all the kids after dark and get drunk around the pit? I already have my orders. ;)
1. Bring the meatballs and bread
2. Bring the stuffed cabbage and we'll get the burgers, chicken and dogs.
3. Bring the weebles home at 6:00
4. Bring two cars so they all fit
5. We'll make it up to ya ma

Happy 4th of July:patriot:

[Nawny]

Its a special kind of evil that could hurt a helpless defenseless child, and that's not opinion, its a fact. Anyone who would go so far as to kill a child should never walk among humans again.

Ya know, though we'll all on red eye alert when it comes to the kiddies, it does occur to me that 99% of the abductions are surrounded by circumstances that would never be present in our lives. The sickness of the A's, the stupidity of Nevaeh's mother, the trust unwarranted by so many parents that never expect such things really can happen... but the thing that gets me the worst is Coleman who ate at their table every day. That's the stuff I have a hard time resolving. It makes ya want to get very hyper vigilant about who is who.

The media has taught us a lot. It taught us not to let the kiddies go play in the toy isle at Sears. It taught us not to fall asleep before our kids do when they're having a sleep over. And on and on... so as bad as it can be, the media does good too. :(

[Nawny]

Aww, that made me cry! I can't wait for the Fourth!!!!!!

"Every heart beats true for the red white and blue.." lol! I can't help myself. These weebles wobbled right into my psyche yesterday! God love them, they are so innocent!

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2i762xl&s=5

Put prayer and America back in our schools:patriot: It's a flag not a rag.

[BeastofBears]

LOL! Are you one of those who do it up and have those 100 people parties where they give nawny all the kids after dark and get drunk around the pit? I already have my orders. ;)
1. Bring the meatballs and bread
2. Bring the stuffed cabbage and we'll get the burgers, chicken and dogs.
3. Bring the weebles home at 6:00
4. Bring two cars so they all fit
5. We'll make it up to ya ma

Happy 4th of July:patriot:

I go to the town of Sonoma for the 4th. My mom lives there. At 10 am they have the perfect small town parade, the mayor blowing out the clutch on a borrowed Lamborghini, kids in a marching bands totally out of sync, the weiner dog brigade dressed in buns, a Shetland pony painted like a zebra (I hope with safe paint!) and there is a camel, I have no idea why. There's a fair in the plaza with dunking booths and voter registration, a turkey roast...Then at night a great fireworks show that no one in the Bay Area knows about. Everybody in town donates $10 to the volunteer firemen, and they blow the wad on a great show that you can literally lie under in the field.

3 years ago I had to submit an insurance claim to get a dent removed from my car because the camel fell into it. Do you have any idea how much fun it is to submit a claim like that?:D

[beemer]

I go to the town of Sonoma for the 4th. My mom lives there. At 10 am they have the perfect small town parade, the mayor blowing out the clutch on a borrowed Lamborghini, kids in a marching bands totally out of sync, the weiner dog brigade dressed in buns, a Shetland pony painted like a zebra (I hope with safe paint!) and there is a camel, I have no idea why. There's a fair in the plaza with dunking booths and voter registration, a turkey roast...Then at night a great fireworks show that no one in the Bay Area knows about. Everybody in town donates $10 to the volunteer firemen, and they blow the wad on a great show that you can literally lie under in the field.

3 years ago I had to submit an insurance claim to get a dent removed from my car because the camel fell into it. Do you have any idea how much fun it is to submit a claim like that?:D

Oh my gawd a camel dent-did they laugh really hard?? Now that sounds like a perfect day!!! Anytime i have been state side for the 4th it is just the best. Not a whole lot goes on here in my city for Canada Day. Most fireworks have been cut out due to the expense and they are no where as good as U.S. fireworks. We have taken to having a family gathering out at the farm. Family member is a pyrotech guy and can bring your good fireworks across the border legally. Everyone chips in and what a light show. I luv town gatherings such as what you describe. I think we need to get back to that.

[Nawny]

I go to the town of Sonoma for the 4th. My mom lives there. At 10 am they have the perfect small town parade, the mayor blowing out the clutch on a borrowed Lamborghini, kids in a marching bands totally out of sync, the weiner dog brigade dressed in buns, a Shetland pony painted like a zebra (I hope with safe paint!) and there is a camel, I have no idea why. There's a fair in the plaza with dunking booths and voter registration, a turkey roast...Then at night a great fireworks show that no one in the Bay Area knows about. Everybody in town donates $10 to the volunteer firemen, and they blow the wad on a great show that you can literally lie under in the field.

3 years ago I had to submit an insurance claim to get a dent removed from my car because the camel fell into it. Do you have any idea how much fun it is to submit a claim like that?:D

THat sounds so civilized B. I'd be there if I could! Ah you never did like camels did ya! See, the camel knew it. lol!

[Amy]

:beer:

Minnesota and Massachusetts made my day! :) Nawny's twinnies. I can't take it I tell ya! LOL!!!

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/2u4r33m/5)

God love and protect the weeble wobbles all over the world!
:rose::rose:

Loved the video!!!! Cutest little weebles I have seen in a long time, that's for sure!!!!

[Amy]

I hope this generation is more patriotic and my hope seems possible just watching what teachers of these kindergarten children are teaching them. My heart is so full today :)

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/b8l8r6/5)

I had to share this.. sometimes we need to see the heart warming stuff after reading all about sadness. When things get me down on the CL, I go here. Enjoy the angel bells ringing.. the sounds of our future generation :)

Miss Minnesota isn't paying attention. :hat:

LOL!!! I just figured out the Minnesota, Massachusetts thing!!! I didn't notice the banners in the first video :eek: I like watching the videos of kids that age--so sincere, but with attention wandering in many cases!!! Always having to look over to see what the other kids are doing, lol!!!!

We watched some of DS about 3rd grade not too long ago--priceless!!!!!

[Amy]

Oh my gawd a camel dent-did they laugh really hard?? Now that sounds like a perfect day!!! Anytime i have been state side for the 4th it is just the best. Not a whole lot goes on here in my city for Canada Day. Most fireworks have been cut out due to the expense and they are no where as good as U.S. fireworks. We have taken to having a family gathering out at the farm. Family member is a pyrotech guy and can bring your good fireworks across the border legally. Everyone chips in and what a light show. I luv town gatherings such as what you describe. I think we need to get back to that.

No 4th of July parade here, we have just finished up w/Beef Empire Days, and that involves a big parade. Guess they can't all get together 2 months in a row, lol!!!

But @ the 3I grounds, the firemen (I guess, can't remember who funds it) have a big fireworks display. People used to park on the 3I lot, and around the river (dry bed, of course ;)) but seems for the past 10 or more years, they haven't gotten to. People were doing their own fireworks on the grounds, and putting other attendees in danger. I have never gone TO the fireworks--I HATE crowds, and it takes FOREVER to drive away!!!! But, from the north end of town, you get on top of your car, or go to Dillons parking lot and see the display nicely from there. The fireworks are on the south end of town. (Have to find a place where you can see over the old, tall, trees twixt here and there.)

OR, go behind Robinson's furniture store, and in the alley along the way--it's a few blocks from the display, and you can see nicely from there. Good think trains don't run thru that time of day--that viewing spot is pretty darn close to the tracks!! Since we moved to the little town 6 miles west, we used to be able to see the fireworks sitting on my driveway. Now, too many houses have gone up. We did used to take lawn chairs and sit on top of the dirt piles left from digging basements, lol.

For the most part, fireworks are banned by regular people, usually because of fire hazards. Not that it has stopped too many people, there are firework stands all over the place just outside city limits, and from the last week of June til July 4, there are always crowds there to buy. In fact, starting just the other night, people are either using up some fireworks from last year, or have found some place that is selling already. Cuz things were poppin and boomin all over the place!!!

[beemer]

Sounds fun Amy. So many tows have given up so many festivities. So sad. Pyro family guy buys em brings em over and sets em off since he's the expert.

[beemer]

Hey OS where are u??? Nawny wont let us hang anymore :shrug: She locked up our hagnog and my phone. She git your lock pick??? :biggrin: I have appealed for grounding-at the present time the verdict is still in her hands. Not enough room for us on the blue bad chair as apparently she has Loretta in it. I say she buy a really long blue couch. Watcha think?
Well off i go to my Brothers 60th birthday BBQ. I cant wait to rub it in he's 60. I'm the baby and still luv to ride his azzzz. From there i am supposed to help my best gal pal police her son's 21st Birthday bash. I'm not sure i have the patience for that but i will go help snap car keys from dang kids digits. Then i will take the dang keys home till tomorrow. Then she can sleep and not worry. Oh Lordy :beer:

[BeastofBears]

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAENSfe7GgY is why I leave town. Our first 4th here, I literally sheltered in place in the basement when the sky started exploding. Oakland is just north of us by 2 blocks...the horizon is bright as dawn with illegal fireworks, not to mention the firemen's lights hunting them down...

[BeastofBears]

Hey OS where are u??? Nawny wont let us hang anymore :shrug: She locked up our hagnog and my phone. She git your lock pick??? :biggrin: I have appealed for grounding-at the present time the verdict is still in her hands. Not enough room for us on the blue bad chair as apparently she has Loretta in it. I say she buy a really long blue couch. Watcha think?
Well off i go to my Brothers 60th birthday BBQ. I cant wait to rub it in he's 60. I'm the baby and still luv to ride his azzzz. From there i am supposed to help my best gal pal police her son's 21st Birthday bash. I'm not sure i have the patience for that but i will go help snap car keys from dang kids digits. Then i will take the dang keys home till tomorrow. Then she can sleep and not worry. Oh Lordy :beer:

If you have to pop tires be sure to do 2 at a time! only one spare:)

[beemer]

If you have to pop tires be sure to do 2 at a time! only one spare:)
Excellent idea-I went and i did my part. All keys are here till i return them tomorrow. They are all in the bell jar(kids) and prolly have been since this aft. So i was not hanging around. I luv her dearly and she is a great friend. Just way to enabling with her kids. I am not entertained by watching. Not when i can be here or with my books and movies. I'm old LOL

[old_soul]

OHHHHH Don't EVEN get me started on THAT subject! Shall I?

After 20 years of marriage to a heavy drinker who lived his off time in a local bar, where only men went to drink, I learned something. THe place was a dump. No phone. Never saw a woman in there. Just old drunks and he was the youngest in there. I had 4 kids and a pizza place down the street a few blocks. When ever I needed to tell him something, like "Ah hello? It's Xmas Eve, ya wanna get home? Or, Can you get yourself to the high school, our son is graduating tonight? Or, Can you get home and watch the kids so I can go to work? Needless to say, he was a jerk..

Anyway, one night I went in there to tell him something and I saw a woman sitting in the corner. She had a black eye. I asked him who she was. He said, "Ah, she's just a prostitute. Hmmm, I saw her after that a few times too.

When I left him he was seen with her. It took no time to learn he and she were a thing. 7 years later I married Poppa and on occasion they were invited to attend celebrations for my kids, weddings, graduations several of those parties were held at my home. I was cordial. I was also happily married.

One day the stupid idiot said to my DD, "I've been with your father for 15 years and still, no ring." She said, "HOW LONG? Gosh my mom and dad have only been divorced for 11 years!" I guess she failed math in grammar school. :eek:

They are no longer a thing, she's been long gone for a while now, but the day she looked me in the eye at the red light, on my way to work, I knew. Wives always know. Sometimes they don't know WHO, but they know.
:seeya:

Aww thank you Beem. :) Actually it got even better than that. I didn' thave to ask him how he likes me now, he stutters when he sees us. After she maxed out his credit cards and and ran off with another guy much younger than her, he was out on a limb and was contemplating moving in with one of our kids. Poppa offered him a low rent ( 3 roomer second floor) in a house we own in the city. So now he pays us rent.

When poppa got the first rent check he called me over to his desk and handed it to me and told me to go buy something nice for myself. :confused: I didn't notice the signature. I asked him what it was. He said, "A present for you" I almost peed when I saw the signature and he said, "That's some Karma baby!"
Gotta luv poppa! :rose:

My ex is still an asshat, (though much improved) just an older one. Whaddiyagonnado? :)



Your first post above just killed me...Sleep with dogs and wake up with fkin fleas! Hey, he got what he deserved, didn't he? Sh*t! Nothin! Too bad he had to take you along with him for all those years, and put you throught that! Ah, the silver lining....your kids! Was that the reason you met him and things went that way...so that in the end you would wind up in RI with your weebles and kids there, proof positive that no matter what happened with HIM, THEY loved you uncondionally..and show it? They probably want to spit on him, god forgive me!

I LOVE the idea/thought of Poppa handing you that fricken check!!! OMG, how fricken ironic is that??????

I always say it...Spit up in the air and it comes back down...look at him now..still Nothin! Then LOOK at what the asswipe gave up! Joke's on him...sucker! ;)

:beer:

[beemer]

OS i have been looking for ya-did ya read the posts-nawny wont let us hang and i am pleading for grounding? :biggrin:

[Nawny]

Loved the video!!!! Cutest little weebles I have seen in a long time, that's for sure!!!!

Thank you Amy.. :) Yeah They are Johnny come lately's for me too. lol! I missed having little ones around. I love when they sing.. :)

[old_soul]

Excellent idea-I went and i did my part. All keys are here till i return them tomorrow. They are all in the bell jar(kids) and prolly have been since this aft. So i was not hanging around. I luv her dearly and she is a great friend. Just way to enabling with her kids. I am not entertained by watching. Not when i can be here or with my books and movies. I'm old LOL

You're a good girl, beem! HEY, The heck with the books and movies ~ you just wanted to get back here with us!! LOL...your phone should be back, I gave Nawn some Baileys (had some meeself too)...didn't even need to pick the lock! I just started singing to her in Italian.. it worked, even though she prolly
didn't understand a word I sang! Heee Heee...Hagnog and Haterade is chilling and we are ready to tear someone apart!! Loretta is meeting us in 10 minutes...Who's sitting where? The rest of the gals grabbed the beach chairs, so....
http://i40.tinypic.com/303fpqs.jpg

Which 'A' ya wanna work on first?!

[Nawny]

Your first post above just killed me...Sleep with dogs and wake up with fkin fleas! Hey, he got what he deserved, didn't he? Sh*t! Nothin! Too bad he had to take you along with him for all those years, and put you throught that! Ah, the silver lining....your kids! Was that the reason you met him and things went that way...so that in the end you would wind up in RI with your weebles and kids there, proof positive that no matter what happened with HIM, THEY loved you uncondionally..and show it? They probably want to spit on him, god forgive me!

I LOVE the idea/thought of Poppa handing you that fricken check!!! OMG, how fricken ironic is that??????

I always say it...Spit up in the air and it comes back down...look at him now..still Nothin! Then LOOK at what the asswipe gave up! Joke's on him...sucker! ;)

:beer:


Thank you my friend. We women defend each other always:beer: Ah yes he tore my heart out and yes it took the kids a long time for forgive him, but they did. He took me to school I tell ya! :) I would have bet the world that he could not cheat on me. LOL! Questa Vita! Life is always full of surprises. God sent me Poppa and healing happened. My ex has nothing much and karma got him to pay us rent.. Shhh, we did it for the kids. He minds his manners now.

His lady friend was just a porn flick come to life, nothing more. When we lost Danny, and my ex went into a bad depression, she ran like a rat leaving a sinking ship. Putana's don't do well in a crisis. They have no guts. Poppa has guts. He stood by me and dried my tears. He made me strong and held us all together when we were falling apart. Now that's my kinda man! :rose:

As for my ex, he lives with himself. Now tell me God doesn't have a sense of humor. :hat:

[Nawny]

You're a good girl, beem! HEY, The heck with the books and movies ~ you just wanted to get back here with us!! LOL...your phone should be back, I gave Nawn some Baileys (had some meeself too)...didn't even need to pick the lock! I just started singing to her in Italian.. it worked, even though she prolly
didn't understand a word I sang! Heee Heee...Hagnog and Haterade is chilling and we are ready to tear someone apart!! Loretta is meeting us in 10 minutes...Who's sitting where? The rest of the gals grabbed the beach chairs, so....
http://i40.tinypic.com/303fpqs.jpg

Which 'A' ya wanna work on first?!

LOL!!!!! Now THAT'S funny! Hey imagine us together sitting round the table with Baileys? We would carve all the A's a new one. Beemer, old_soul, Gator, nawny, Lighthouse, Shady, deacon, DrewB, JD, jav, Mu, Loretta... and all the others would serve justice very well.

And you! don't make me get out of this chair, I'm tellin ya!
:cuss: You're the ring leader, don't think I don't know it. But you sing to me, no matter... Nawny loves her girls. :)

[old_soul]

LOL!!!!! Now THAT'S funny! Hey imagine us together sitting round the table with Baileys? We would carve all the A's a new one. Beemer, old_soul, Gator, nawny, Lighthouse, Shady, deacon, DrewB, JD, jav, Mu, Loretta... and all the others would serve justice very well.

And you! don't make me get out of this chair, I'm tellin ya!
:cuss: You're the ring leader, don't think I don't know it. But you sing to me, no matter... Nawny loves her girls. :)

Hahahahaha http://i40.tinypic.com/r09fd2.jpg

Guess I'm Branded, eh? No matter, yes, I'm the one, but I notice you all have your fricken thumbs up,http://i44.tinypic.com/2dtov40.jpg so let's do it!

I'm all for dancing too! http://i42.tinypic.com/28i92kx.gif

[Nawny]

:shrug:Hahahahaha http://i40.tinypic.com/r09fd2.jpg

Guess I'm Branded, eh? No matter, yes, I'm the one, but I notice you all have your fricken thumbs up,http://i44.tinypic.com/2dtov40.jpg so let's do it!

I'm all for dancing too! http://i42.tinypic.com/28i92kx.gif

Nawny's laughing.. :)

Hey One of those chicks has my old body! Ah, those were the days! I passed the torch though youth is wasted on the young.. tsk tsk.. woodatheyknow?

[Nawny]

It is RAINING AGAIN in NE!!!! I am amazed that my yard didn't cave in and turn to quick sand! I may was well give up my car and by a boat! What the Heck is going on? Almost every day for months has been rainy! :mad:

[beemer]

Hahahahaha http://i40.tinypic.com/r09fd2.jpg

Guess I'm Branded, eh? No matter, yes, I'm the one, but I notice you all have your fricken thumbs up,http://i44.tinypic.com/2dtov40.jpg so let's do it!

I'm all for dancing too! http://i42.tinypic.com/28i92kx.gif

Oh my gawd OS ROFLMAO. We would have just the best time. I'm glad u found Nawny's weak points-I have my phone back ;)

[beemer]

It is RAINING AGAIN in NE!!!! I am amazed that my yard didn't cave in and turn to quick sand! I may was well give up my car and by a boat! What the Heck is going on? Almost every day for months has been rainy! :mad:
Sorry to hear u are having crappy weather. It seems everyone is. Yesterday was supposed to be nice-drizzle in the a.m. then just overcast all day. A bit coolish. Today is HOT and sunny. Nice in the shade but i think it's going to be a cooker and feels a bit humid already. Maybe Beast of Bears can explain to us how long we are going to be in this weather cycle?

[Nawny]

Oh my gawd OS ROFLMAO. We would have just the best time. I'm glad u found Nawny's weak points-I have my phone back ;)

Yes yes,, nawny is a softee. :) I have learned in my travels through life that sometimes the bad kids are the good kids and visa versa. ;)

Well the sun did come out but it's still sweater weather. I'm catching up on chores, and going to finish a painting.

:seeya:

[BeastofBears]

It is RAINING AGAIN in NE!!!! I am amazed that my yard didn't cave in and turn to quick sand! I may was well give up my car and by a boat! What the Heck is going on? Almost every day for months has been rainy! :mad:

Here you go, Nawn! http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/08/accuweathers-joe-*******i-the-science-is-in-crowd-does-not-want-them-to-see-facts-and-parts-of-us-to-have-year-without-a-summer/

Read it and weep...

[Amy]

It is RAINING AGAIN in NE!!!! I am amazed that my yard didn't cave in and turn to quick sand! I may was well give up my car and by a boat! What the Heck is going on? Almost every day for months has been rainy! :mad:

Do you suppose the A's will have a boat to sell for cheap, once they realize it won't bring them fame and fortune? Heck, it's even got a name you'd go for, lol!!!!!

[beemer]

Bob-your link is coming up error-fill us in so we will know if we should all be moving to Siberia-prolly better and consistent weather at least :shrug: Well my batch days are dwindling-everyone will be home tomorrow. Caught alot of fish overall so they are pleased. 3 lake trout today. Weather overall good-coupla rain days rest in the high 60's-pretty unusual for the north right now. maybe i shoulda went LOL. I like it a bit warmer and the nights get dang chilly right now. Hope everyone had a good weekend :seeya:

[beemer]

Do you suppose the A's will have a boat to sell for cheap, once they realize it won't bring them fame and fortune? Heck, it's even got a name you'd go for, lol!!!!!

:D:biggrin::beer::tongue::hat:

[deacon]

Do you suppose the A's will have a boat to sell for cheap, once they realize it won't bring them fame and fortune? Heck, it's even got a name you'd go for, lol!!!!!

With that sonar to use as a fish finder it should sell quick. If I bought it I would paint "the name" in big letters on the side and take a picture of it for you guys.

[Nawny]

Do you suppose the A's will have a boat to sell for cheap, once they realize it won't bring them fame and fortune? Heck, it's even got a name you'd go for, lol!!!!!

LOL!!!! I would not touch that boat with a ten foot shark!

[Nawny]

Bob-your link is coming up error-fill us in so we will know if we should all be moving to Siberia-prolly better and consistent weather at least :shrug: Well my batch days are dwindling-everyone will be home tomorrow. Caught alot of fish overall so they are pleased. 3 lake trout today. Weather overall good-coupla rain days rest in the high 60's-pretty unusual for the north right now. maybe i shoulda went LOL. I like it a bit warmer and the nights get dang chilly right now. Hope everyone had a good weekend :seeya:

Great weekend Beemer! I finished my sunflowers painting and got some yard work done. Poppa did the laundry.. YAY!

[BeastofBears]

Bob-your link is coming up error-fill us in so we will know if we should all be moving to Siberia-prolly better and consistent weather at least :shrug: Well my batch days are dwindling-everyone will be home tomorrow. Caught alot of fish overall so they are pleased. 3 lake trout today. Weather overall good-coupla rain days rest in the high 60's-pretty unusual for the north right now. maybe i shoulda went LOL. I like it a bit warmer and the nights get dang chilly right now. Hope everyone had a good weekend :seeya:

Freaky! I can find it easily, but the link won't work...here's a relevant snippet:

"And from an AccuWeather article on lightning, Joe says parts of the US may have a year without a summer”:

According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form.

Yikes!"

If you google "year without a summer" and Joe *******i (love the name!), you find the article.

[Nawny]

Here's nawny's latest painting. I am not the greatest artist but God is. I try to copy him sometimes and though I'm not as creative, I try. I enjoy oil painting. It's the best therapy. I almost finished two sunflower paintings today.

http://i44.tinypic.com/10x6lv5.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/mu77fd.jpg This pic is a partial shot. It needs more work, I was making mud. It needs to dry between changes.. :)

both paintings
http://i41.tinypic.com/21l4ytl.jpg

[beemer]

Freaky! I can find it easily, but the link won't work...here's a relevant snippet:

"And from an AccuWeather article on lightning, Joe says parts of the US may have a year without a summer”:

According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form.

Yikes!"

If you google "year without a summer" and Joe *******i (love the name!), you find the article.

Thanks-I think i will go to Siberia lol :eek:

[BeastofBears]

With that sonar to use as a fish finder it should sell quick. If I bought it I would paint "the name" in big letters on the side and take a picture of it for you guys.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2d78o6e.png ?


burros are so cute.

[beemer]

Beautiful work Nawny-thanks for sharing it with us. I can barely draw stick people. Always admired artists :beer:

[beemer]

With that sonar to use as a fish finder it should sell quick. If I bought it I would paint "the name" in big letters on the side and take a picture of it for you guys.
Oh u must :beer:

[BeastofBears]

Thanks-I think i will go to Siberia lol :eek:

Hahhahhahhaha! It won't let me type the guys name in!!!!! I would hate to have a name that set of auto-censors-what does he do at work, lolololol!!!

His name is B*stardi, in case you try...

[BeastofBears]

Here's nawny's latest painting. I am not the greatest artist but God is. I try to copy him sometimes and though I'm not as creative, I try. I enjoy oil painting. It's the best therapy. I almost finished two sunflower paintings today.

http://i44.tinypic.com/10x6lv5.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/mu77fd.jpg This pic is a partial shot. It needs more work, I was making mud. It needs to dry between changes.. :)

both paintings
http://i41.tinypic.com/21l4ytl.jpg

Those are beautiful!

[beemer]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2d78o6e.png ?


burros are so cute.
Haaa LMAO and they are sure footed too.

[beemer]

Maybe we could all chip in and buy the boat. Park it at Gator's. We know we would take it out to look for folks. :beer:

[deacon]

Here's nawny's latest painting. I am not the greatest artist but God is. I try to copy him sometimes and though I'm not as creative, I try. I enjoy oil painting. It's the best therapy. I almost finished two sunflower paintings today.

http://i44.tinypic.com/10x6lv5.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/mu77fd.jpg This pic is a partial shot. It needs more work, I was making mud. It needs to dry between changes.. :)

both paintings
http://i41.tinypic.com/21l4ytl.jpg

beautiful!

[deacon]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2d78o6e.png ?


burros are so cute.

but can he catch fish?

[Nawny]

Those are beautiful!

Aw, nuh uh,, really? You like? I don't always show my paintings, I just..well it was fun doing these two anyway.

Thank you BoB and Beemer. :o

[Nawny]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2d78o6e.png ?


burros are so cute.

Haaaaa!!!!!!!! Is that,, hmmm, ya know? Youuuuu know! I never noticed her ears.. musta had them tied up under that bottle of blond stuff on her head.

[deacon]

Haaaaa!!!!!!!! Is that,, hmmm, ya know? Youuuuu know! I never noticed her ears.. musta had them tied up under that bottle of blond stuff on her head.

If that is suppose to be who I think it is suppose to be, no way. She would have to go. Not that assonthething.
:eek:

[beemer]

Aw, nuh uh,, really? You like? I don't always show my paintings, I just..well it was fun doing these two anyway.

Thank you BoB and Beemer. :o
I likey-you must share your talent. When i was a kid there was a very talented young guy-musically inclined and could paint like no tomorrow. I had a huge crush on him cuz he looked exactly like Paul McCartney and he played beatle tunes endlessly. Us youngers were always his audience. He would draw and paint and give us his art. I shudder to think as a kid they eventually hit the garbage. He went on to be a fairly successful artist in Toronto-his name was Brian Jones. He passed away last year from a sudden cancer.

[beemer]

Jaysuz-it was a beautiful and warm sunny day today as i said. Not a cloud in the sky. Nice sunset. Now its thunderstorming :shrug: You dont suppose C can control of weather too :D

[beemer]

Thought i would leave ya all with this-turn your sound on but not too loud-dont wanna scare anybody :biggrin:

CLICK ON THIS: Worlds Most DangerousCreature

[beemer]

Shoot didn't work :shrug:

[beemer]

THIS IS EXTREMELY EDUCATIONAL



You've got to see this……...

1st look and see the Whale under the water.

Keep your cursor OUT of the picture until you see the whale.

Move the cursor onto the picture, sound on.

CLICK ON THIS: Worlds Most DangerousCreature

[beemer]

still didn't work-sorry i tried as it was dang funny

[BeastofBears]

Aw, nuh uh,, really? You like? I don't always show my paintings, I just..well it was fun doing these two anyway.

Thank you BoB and Beemer. :o

Please show them when you feel the urge, Nawny! Your art makes my day when you put it up!

[BeastofBears]

THIS IS EXTREMELY EDUCATIONAL



You've got to see this……...

1st look and see the Whale under the water.

Keep your cursor OUT of the picture until you see the whale.

Move the cursor onto the picture, sound on.

CLICK ON THIS: Worlds Most DangerousCreature

Aww, poetry! Nobody told me there'd be a poetry slam!



Open diaper, place with figures to the front

open folded tab, stretch, stretch until taut

place velcro, pat down until secure, soothe child...

Repeat as needed.

[beemer]

Nawny: We have rain/thunderstorms in the forecast for 6 straight days starting on Wednesday :cuss: I'll scoop our assonthething and swing by and pick ya up. :D

[Nawny]

Nawny: We have rain/thunderstorms in the forecast for 6 straight days starting on Wednesday :cuss: I'll scoop our assonthething and swing by and pick ya up. :D

HAAA!!! By the time you get here I'll be sitting on the roof waiting. Damn it's cold again today! My flowers are failing. Mud mud everywhere! Now again, starting Wednesday?????
Oh man, Come get me!

[deacon]

Ha! Let's see if I get an answer. I just sent our president an email regarding the "new taxes" he doesn't want to pass but needs to find a way to pay for health care. I asked where the increase on alcohol were. You see, alcohol is the third leading killer of people in this country but we have not increased taxes on it in years. We have repeatedly on tobacco but not alcohol. BTW, that is third counting just the number of deaths on our nation's highways attributed to DUI, not the number of deaths from other types of alcohol abuse. I would venture to say, if you counted all deaths attributed to alcohol it would be close to number one but certainly number two.

I guess it is just socially acceptable to drink and kill people on the highway but not smoke. And I don't smoke. I just think we are blowing it out of preportion.:mad:

[beemer]

HAAA!!! By the time you get here I'll be sitting on the roof waiting. Damn it's cold again today! My flowers are failing. Mud mud everywhere! Now again, starting Wednesday?????
Oh man, Come get me!
It is going to be a short summer i fear :cuss: My fav. time of year!!!! Boat should be home by 2ish. I'll leave then-i will have to call in sick tho :biggrin:

[BeastofBears]

Ha! Let's see if I get an answer. I just sent our president an email regarding the "new taxes" he doesn't want to pass but needs to find a way to pay for health care. I asked where the increase on alcohol were. You see, alcohol is the third leading killer of people in this country but we have not increased taxes on it in years. We have repeatedly on tobacco but not alcohol. BTW, that is third counting just the number of deaths on our nation's highways attributed to DUI, not the number of deaths from other types of alcohol abuse. I would venture to say, if you counted all deaths attributed to alcohol it would be close to number one but certainly number two.

I guess it is just socially acceptable to drink and kill people on the highway but not smoke. And I don't smoke. I just think we are blowing it out of preportion.:mad:

I don't smoke either, and I so agree with you! Somehow, it has become okay to declare cigarettes and smokers the Devil Incarnate! Most smokers I know are very polite about it, always ask if its okay and then go downwind so I don't get it. Drunks on the other hand...not so polite. I guess alcohol producers have a better lobby. (Heaven forbid people actually quit smoking...what would the government do for revenue then?)

Its all about distracting us from the real problems out there, imo. For example, Global Warming, or Climate Change as it's known now (since the "warming" fell through)...instead of us dealing with REAL problems, like the desertification of Africa from overgrazing, or the deforestation of the Amazon, things that are REAL and solvable, they have us chasing this snipe to keep us distracted. I mean, come on! Charging farmers a $175 per cow tax for cow flatulence?! This is actually going before Congress...maybe they should tax Bush's Baked Beans next!

imo, and I am VERY opinionated!

[BeastofBears]

It is going to be a short summer i fear :cuss: My fav. time of year!!!! Boat should be home by 2ish. I'll leave then-i will have to call in sick tho :biggrin:

I like it hot and humid. I am only getting the humid...in the form of overcast and rain! Our temps are 10-20 degrees below normal, and have been this way for 2 months now!

[beemer]

Ha! Let's see if I get an answer. I just sent our president an email regarding the "new taxes" he doesn't want to pass but needs to find a way to pay for health care. I asked where the increase on alcohol were. You see, alcohol is the third leading killer of people in this country but we have not increased taxes on it in years. We have repeatedly on tobacco but not alcohol. BTW, that is third counting just the number of deaths on our nation's highways attributed to DUI, not the number of deaths from other types of alcohol abuse. I would venture to say, if you counted all deaths attributed to alcohol it would be close to number one but certainly number two.

I guess it is just socially acceptable to drink and kill people on the highway but not smoke. And I don't smoke. I just think we are blowing it out of preportion.:mad:
We are taxed heavily on both up here. I think a case of beer goes for close to 40.00. Bottles well times your prices by about 4. I think a carton of cigs is around 80.00. Nobody i know will even drive after 1 drink. New buzz driving law came into effect. I did not pay attention to the percentage of alcohol on this law but just not worth a 3 day license suspension and the embarrassment. We walk,cab or have a DD.

[BeastofBears]

Anybody else have trouble getting on CL last night? I couldn't even open the boards page, let alone sign in....:shrug:

[beemer]

I like it hot and humid. I am only getting the humid...in the form of overcast and rain! Our temps are 10-20 degrees below normal, and have been this way for 2 months now!

I hear ya-seems everyone is out of the norm. It was only a coupla weeks ago they had snow out west? Now it's 27-29 C??????

[beemer]

Anybody else have trouble getting on CL last night? I couldn't even open the boards page, let alone sign in....:shrug:

No i didnt but i think i was off around 10ish my time. What time where u on? Your 3 hrs. behind me right?

[deacon]

I don't smoke either, and I so agree with you! Somehow, it has become okay to declare cigarettes and smokers the Devil Incarnate! Most smokers I know are very polite about it, always ask if its okay and then go downwind so I don't get it. Drunks on the other hand...not so polite. I guess alcohol producers have a better lobby. (Heaven forbid people actually quit smoking...what would the government do for revenue then?)

Its all about distracting us from the real problems out there, imo. For example, Global Warming, or Climate Change as it's known now (since the "warming" fell through)...instead of us dealing with REAL problems, like the desertification of Africa from overgrazing, or the deforestation of the Amazon, things that are REAL and solvable, they have us chasing this snipe to keep us distracted. I mean, come on! Charging farmers a $175 per cow tax for cow flatulence?! This is actually going before Congress...maybe they should tax Bush's Baked Beans next!

imo, and I am VERY opinionated!

Deforestation of Amerca would also be on that list. I am on a big construction site where we had protesters out of the ying yang to begin with. They cut a large piece of forest down so they would have room for all of the components and "stuff" associated with construction. Funny thing is, the company we are building for has plans to REPLANT the trees when we are finished. Not so in many places. "Greenhouse gases" are what plants thrive on. :rolleyes: Give me a break

[deacon]

We are taxed heavily on both up here. I think a case of beer goes for close to 40.00. Bottles well times your prices by about 4. I think a carton of cigs is around 80.00. Nobody i know will even drive after 1 drink. New buzz driving law came into effect. I did not pay attention to the percentage of alcohol on this law but just not worth a 3 day license suspension and the embarrassment. We walk,cab or have a DD.

DUI here gets you a slap on the hand.:flamemad:

[beemer]

DUI here gets you a slap on the hand.:flamemad:

Oh my thats sad. Not here-license gone for a year. Jail time if beyond your first offence. Insurance cost when u do get your license back is very steep. Not to mention the social stigma of a DUI.

[deacon]

Oh my thats sad. Not here-license gone for a year. Jail time if beyond your first offence. Insurance cost when u do get your license back is very steep. Not to mention the social stigma of a DUI.

1. here the idiots will drive whether they have a license or not.
2. Most of them don't have insurance. Don't know why they don't pull the vehicle license, I guess that would require them to leave the doughnut shop.
3. what social stigma? Most of the lawyers have DUIs and some of the judges have them too not counting the politicians. That is why they refuse to clamp down on it. None of the judges or lawyers could get to court without a "winocycle". (moped)

[beemer]

1. here the idiots will drive whether they have a license or not.
2. Most of them don't have insurance. Don't know why they don't pull the vehicle license, I guess that would require them to leave the doughnut shop.
3. what social stigma? Most of the lawyers have DUIs and some of the judges have them too not counting the politicians. That is why they refuse to clamp down on it. None of the judges or lawyers could get to court without a "winocycle". (moped)

Wow-even sadder-oh and i forgot a hefty fine attached as well. There is a lawyer that for 10 thousand can get alot of folks off. I wonder how he sleeps at night? We have a trial going on right now where 4 beloved ladies were killed by a drunk driver. They were very active in the community with their volunteer work. All widowed and great friends. All 4 were killed instantly in the city not out on a highway at greater speed. I had to stop reading about it as he says he was not DUI but of course evidence says otherwise. States he only had one beer. Our kids have a program taught in every high school and we have a graduated licensing system. If they are caught with any alcohol in their system during the process license is POOF and there is no way they could afford the insurance after they got it back. Insurance is steep enough with a clean record. For a male under 21 average insurance is 3 thousand for the year. Kids have always got around by cab on cocktail nights. It's just the norm here for most. Of course ya have the idiots.

[beemer]

Sounds like a good ole boys club going on your way :flamemad:

[BeastofBears]

I hear ya-seems everyone is out of the norm. It was only a coupla weeks ago they had snow out west? Now it's 27-29 C??????

Celsius? To an American? :D

Okay, I converted it...and the answer is, no way! We are 18 C where I am, and we should be 27-29 C...I'm near San Francisco, but on the warmer side of the Bay.

[beemer]

Celsius? To an American? :D

Okay, I converted it...and the answer is, no way! We are 18 C where I am, and we should be 27-29 C...I'm near San Francisco, but on the warmer side of the Bay.
I know crazy eh? Ya i hate the metric system. I just thought i would throw it in. Wow thats chilly your way. We are warming up but its all the dang rain and storms that ruin it :flamemad:

[Gatordog]

Maybe we could all chip in and buy the boat. Park it at Gator's. We know we would take it out to look for folks. :beer:

Tim Miller has been on the news regarding the search for Tracy. He looks so much better than he did last summer when he ended up in the hospital from stress due to "you know who". I am sure TES could have used the boat and ATV in their search. Hey, I could put that boat to better use. We could at least use it to pick up litter from the river and lakes. I wonder if George is just sitting by the phone waiting for a child to go missing. I guess he doesn't want to search for adults. Only adult Bass.

Gator

[beemer]

Tim Miller has been on the news regarding the search for Tracy. He looks so much better than he did last summer when he ended up in the hospital from stress due to "you know who". I am sure TES could have used the boat and ATV in their search. Hey, I could put that boat to better use. We could at least use it to pick up litter from the river and lakes. I wonder if George is just sitting by the phone waiting for a child to go missing. I guess he doesn't want to search for adults. Only adult Bass.

Gator
I'm glad to hear Tim is looking better-he looked horrid last year. If anyone could do it to ya we all know who. Since his phone is prolly not ringing one would think he would contact others and volunteer. Sadly that does not appear to be the case. That boat is going to dry rot. Still going to the vigil Gator?

[Gatordog]

It is going to be a short summer i fear :cuss: My fav. time of year!!!! Boat should be home by 2ish. I'll leave then-i will have to call in sick tho :biggrin:

Looks like I will have a very long summer. It's been mid-to high 90's here since the end of May. With the humidity factored in, it has felt like 105 almost every day. I have been going straight home after work so I can put some cool water into my tadpole pails. I am afraid they will overheat and die. For those of you who have kids who need science projects - this is a great one. I had two buckets full of water and tadpoles in only one bucket. I took some out and put it them into the empty pail. One still had many more than the other. Well, the tadpoles which are in the bucket that has less in it, are growning three times as fast as the full bucket. The crowded bucket still has very small critters while the less full bucket has critters that are ready to grow legs. Environment matters.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I'm glad to hear Tim is looking better-he looked horrid last year. If anyone could do it to ya we all know who. Since his phone is prolly not ringing one would think he would contact others and volunteer. Sadly that does not appear to be the case. That boat is going to dry rot. Still going to the vigil Gator?

Yes Ma'am. I'll be there, it starts at 6 p.m. It's two minutes away. I'll take notes and pictures. I'll be the CL reporter! I hear they are going to release balloons. Is there anything I should do special from the CL crew? I wonder if Padilla will be there? :o

[beemer]

Yes Ma'am. I'll be there, it starts at 6 p.m. It's two minutes away. I'll take notes and pictures. I'll be the CL reporter! I hear they are going to release balloons. Is there anything I should do special from the CL crew? I wonder if Padilla will be there? :o

Gator your the best. Say a prayer from all of us :rose: I'm sure you would anyway. Yes i wonder if LP will attend? Stay away from the crazed ones so ya dont get injured. :eek: :rose:

[BeastofBears]

They never have found little Adji, have they?

Gator, are there any "local" opinions on what happened to him? Abducted or lost?

[BeastofBears]

Wow, the Iranians are really rising up over that "election" in spite of being fired on with live ammo! I guess they are really tired of a bad economy and being whacked with sticks for showing their hair...I know many of them would not appreciate this smiley, but :patriot: I salute you!

[Gatordog]

They never have found little Adji, have they?

Gator, are there any "local" opinions on what happened to him? Abducted or lost?

That was southwest of me and it really didn't pick up much local news. It's about 200 miles from Orlando. The family didn't do much to get attention so I guess the media just dropped it. My opinion, lost. The poor child had the mental capacity of a toddler. There are canals winding through every street there. I would not be surprised if an alligator got him, as horrible as that sounds. There isn't even any proof that he was outside by himself. Who leaves a child who is developmentally challenged alone?

[Gatordog]

Wow, the Iranians are really rising up over that "election" in spite of being fired on with live ammo! I guess they are really tired of a bad economy and being whacked with sticks for showing their hair...I know many of them would not appreciate this smiley, but :patriot: I salute you!

I'm with you on that one BoB - if they can get rid of that nut, everyone would be better off.

[BeastofBears]

That was southwest of me and it really didn't pick up much local news. It's about 200 miles from Orlando. The family didn't do much to get attention so I guess the media just dropped it. My opinion, lost. The poor child had the mental capacity of a toddler. There are canals winding through every street there. I would not be surprised if an alligator got him, as horrible as that sounds. There isn't even any proof that he was outside by himself. Who leaves a child who is developmentally challenged alone?

No one who wants to keep him safe. :( I've seen the grandmother, I'm sure they are devastated, but...I wish people would think in small communities. If its insular, people think someone will be watching out, I guess. Like Sandra...and who knows how many kids wander off...

[Amy]

Freaky! I can find it easily, but the link won't work...here's a relevant snippet:

"And from an AccuWeather article on lightning, Joe says parts of the US may have a year without a summer”:

According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form.

Yikes!"

If you google "year without a summer" and Joe *******i (love the name!), you find the article.

We haven't had all that much in the way of hot days here. It's overcast again this week, some storms, but luckily for me, always just to the south or on over east. I do remember a couple of other years (well before the global warming thing--in fact, not too long after the global cooling stuff) where it was cool and rainy into June. Sure saves on the water bill for the lawn, lol!!!

[Amy]

Aw, nuh uh,, really? You like? I don't always show my paintings, I just..well it was fun doing these two anyway.

Thank you BoB and Beemer. :o

I admire people with an artistic talent!!! Your pics are great!!! What is that about mud? You don't use just paint, but other things, too? Or, were you painting mud?

[Amy]

Ha! Let's see if I get an answer. I just sent our president an email regarding the "new taxes" he doesn't want to pass but needs to find a way to pay for health care. I asked where the increase on alcohol were. You see, alcohol is the third leading killer of people in this country but we have not increased taxes on it in years. We have repeatedly on tobacco but not alcohol. BTW, that is third counting just the number of deaths on our nation's highways attributed to DUI, not the number of deaths from other types of alcohol abuse. I would venture to say, if you counted all deaths attributed to alcohol it would be close to number one but certainly number two.

I guess it is just socially acceptable to drink and kill people on the highway but not smoke. And I don't smoke. I just think we are blowing it out of preportion.:mad:

Seems like there is a move (yet again) of people wanting to tax things like fast food, potato chips, whatever "someone" (haven't figured out who is going to get to be the king of "bad food") deems as unhealthy. That includes things like beef--yeah, throw us under the rug here. I guess someone somewhere wants us all to live on tofu, soy milk, and celery.

Anyway, once the gov't has started on determining how each of us lives our lives, starting w/tobacco, what kind of car we can drive, etc etc etc, it's all downhill from there. We are already seeing the effects of this. I don't like something you do or eat or wear or drive, I just go to the government to try to get them to tell you to live how I think you should live.:flamemad:

[Nawny]

I likey-you must share your talent. When i was a kid there was a very talented young guy-musically inclined and could paint like no tomorrow. I had a huge crush on him cuz he looked exactly like Paul McCartney and he played beatle tunes endlessly. Us youngers were always his audience. He would draw and paint and give us his art. I shudder to think as a kid they eventually hit the garbage. He went on to be a fairly successful artist in Toronto-his name was Brian Jones. He passed away last year from a sudden cancer.

Aww :( He came to leave his gifts. I love that you appreciated him.

I don't believe it was meant for me to sell my paintings. I give them away. Sometimes someone will inspire me to paint certain things. Mostly I paint Victorian scenes. I ran out of walls years ago and my kids ran out of walls too. I've been practising portraits, not my speed, but I'm trying. I don't usually like my stuff but art is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I suspect a lot of my paintings are hanging on garage walls. ;) I'm never happy with my own paintings.. I'd rather hang the weebles paintings. They are brilliant! :) I love kid art.

I also love photography. I enlarge interesting shots, frame them and hang them. I got a good shot of goats crossing a road. No one understands why I hung it on the wall in poppa's office. LOL!

[BeastofBears]

Seems like there is a move (yet again) of people wanting to tax things like fast food, potato chips, whatever "someone" (haven't figured out who is going to get to be the king of "bad food") deems as unhealthy. That includes things like beef--yeah, throw us under the rug here. I guess someone somewhere wants us all to live on tofu, soy milk, and celery.

Anyway, once the gov't has started on determining how each of us lives our lives, starting w/tobacco, what kind of car we can drive, etc etc etc, it's all downhill from there. We are already seeing the effects of this. I don't like something you do or eat or wear or drive, I just go to the government to try to get them to tell you to live how I think you should live.:flamemad:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2i23epj.jpg !

[Nawny]

I admire people with an artistic talent!!! Your pics are great!!! What is that about mud? You don't use just paint, but other things, too? Or, were you painting mud?

Thank you Amy.. No, no mud. When a painting is stilll wet and I try to fix it, the colors get all screwed up bleed into each other and I call it, making mud. lol!

[Nawny]

Yes Ma'am. I'll be there, it starts at 6 p.m. It's two minutes away. I'll take notes and pictures. I'll be the CL reporter! I hear they are going to release balloons. Is there anything I should do special from the CL crew? I wonder if Padilla will be there? :o

I wish I was there Gator! Keep us posted !!

[Nawny]

Wow-even sadder-oh and i forgot a hefty fine attached as well. There is a lawyer that for 10 thousand can get alot of folks off. I wonder how he sleeps at night? We have a trial going on right now where 4 beloved ladies were killed by a drunk driver. They were very active in the community with their volunteer work. All widowed and great friends. All 4 were killed instantly in the city not out on a highway at greater speed. I had to stop reading about it as he says he was not DUI but of course evidence says otherwise. States he only had one beer. Our kids have a program taught in every high school and we have a graduated licensing system. If they are caught with any alcohol in their system during the process license is POOF and there is no way they could afford the insurance after they got it back. Insurance is steep enough with a clean record. For a male under 21 average insurance is 3 thousand for the year. Kids have always got around by cab on cocktail nights. It's just the norm here for most. Of course ya have the idiots.

Yep Beemer. Poppa is an Ins broker and he sees that every day. When someone gets a DUI they have to insure their car and their license. You'd be surprised how fast they come up with the money! Unbelievable!

[Nawny]

No i didnt but i think i was off around 10ish my time. What time where u on? Your 3 hrs. behind me right?

I couldn't sign in either.. or get on CL.

[BeastofBears]

I couldn't sign in either.. or get on CL.

I was worried it got hacked.

[beemer]

I was worried it got hacked.

I think we should be good unless the tricksters were around ? C or Zanny??? LOL

[beemer]

P.S. Are we not in the witness protection program???? I know i am. :D

[beemer]

Yep Beemer. Poppa is an Ins broker and he sees that every day. When someone gets a DUI they have to insure their car and their license. You'd be surprised how fast they come up with the money! Unbelievable!
Nawny the diff over here is most if not all insurace co's will drop u. Then you go high risk co's After u get your license back after that year the insurance is huge. Might cost ya 5-10 thousand for a year.

[Marian Paroo]

That was southwest of me and it really didn't pick up much local news. It's about 200 miles from Orlando. The family didn't do much to get attention so I guess the media just dropped it. My opinion, lost. The poor child had the mental capacity of a toddler. There are canals winding through every street there. I would not be surprised if an alligator got him, as horrible as that sounds. There isn't even any proof that he was outside by himself. Who leaves a child who is developmentally challenged alone?

I hate to say this, but there have always been very evil parents that wanted to get rid of their children, haven't there? "The Babes in the Woods" (albeit that was an uncle who was after the $) and "Handel and Grettel (yeah it was supposedly the step-mother's idea, but dad didn't protest too much). And I do wonder about small children that get "lost" on camping trips :(

Seems like there is a move (yet again) of people wanting to tax things like fast food, potato chips, whatever "someone" (haven't figured out who is going to get to be the king of "bad food") deems as unhealthy. That includes things like beef--yeah, throw us under the rug here. I guess someone somewhere wants us all to live on tofu, soy milk, and celery.

Anyway, once the gov't has started on determining how each of us lives our lives, starting w/tobacco, what kind of car we can drive, etc etc etc, it's all downhill from there. We are already seeing the effects of this. I don't like something you do or eat or wear or drive, I just go to the government to try to get them to tell you to live how I think you should live.:flamemad:

Hey, you should come here. Our slimeball Prime Minister is fighting to tax fruits and vegetables, which have always been untaxed for health reasons. He says the country needs more tax income, so he is opting for this instead of American-style "sin taxes" (which are nothing new) on unhealthy items. :shrug:

[Amy]

I hate to say this, but there have always been very evil parents that wanted to get rid of their children, haven't there? "The Babes in the Woods" (albeit that was an uncle who was after the $) and "Handel and Grettel (yeah it was supposedly the step-mother's idea, but dad didn't protest too much). And I do wonder about small children that get "lost" on camping trips :(



Hey, you should come here. Our slimeball Prime Minister is fighting to tax fruits and vegetables, which have always been untaxed for health reasons. He says the country needs more tax income, so he is opting for this instead of American-style "sin taxes" (which are nothing new) on unhealthy items. :shrug:

IMO, all the government programs should be reviewed and redone. Such as, there are people of all sorts on welfare programs that have no business being there--they just would rather sit back and get the money than to actually have to be @ work 40 hours a week. You, get up to the alarm clock, get showered and dressed and all that.

I do not begrudge those that clearly need assistance--in particular the person w/chronically debilitating conditions, the parents with children who need exceptional care, etc. The "old folks" who spent their lives working their fingers to the bone. I remember when the welform programs were introduced. Actual welfare was supposed to be a stop-gap for people down and out on their luck--some help whilst they got their lives together and could find work to support themselves and their families. I know people who went on welfare for that reason. Maybe food stamps to feed the kids, help w/rent and such. But their goal was to get OFF welfare as quickly as they could. I don't know when it evolved into the mess we have today.
There are so many ways to "beat the system." We have 3rd and 4th generations of people who have been in the system for all their lives. There are people who, as far as they are concerned, feel that "the government" "owes" it to them to be supported.

I remember when my niece graduated from high school. That year, Bill Clinton was proposing that teen moms be paid to attend school, have their daycare paid for, and when they graduate, give them a $5000 "reward." I wondered, what about my niece. Her parents were divorced, she worked part time @ Sonic, she was on the dance team and in the science club among other things. She graduated in the top 10% of her class of more than 300 kids. What reward was SHE going to get for not falling into the teen pregnancy trap? Shouldn't the "reward" be for those who work hard to do the right thing?

There are hardworking folk who could use some assistance. I would rather see them getting some help than the perfectly able bodied people who just don't want to have to go to work everyday. There are so many programs that can be accessed, there are some people in the system who have a better level of living than some of us who work our tushes off. I guess we are the fools to work so hard for someone else to get the benefit of our endeavors.

[Nawny]

Nawny the diff over here is most if not all insurace co's will drop u. Then you go high risk co's After u get your license back after that year the insurance is huge. Might cost ya 5-10 thousand for a year.

Right. That is true here too, but for two years you pay to literally insure your your license, as if it were another car. They call that an SR22 charge. Poppa calls the big insurance putanas the worst and most thieving enterprise in the nation. He fights with them daily to protect his clients. He hollers a lot at the ding dongs that answer the phones and says things like, "Can I speak with someone who has a brain?" Everyone in the building can hear him. Sometimes they hang up on him which causes more fury. :cuss:When that happens everyone says, Uh oh! Poppa is making friends again! :) They lose paperwork constantly and they deny claims that are payable constantly too. He has to babysit policies all the time. He's a micro manager, so it fits him. He's been at it for over 35 years. A river to his people, I say. But nawny is the boss of this house!
:beer:

[deacon]

Right. That is true here too, but for two years you pay to literally insure your your license, as if it were another car. They call that an SR22 charge. Poppa calls the big insurance putanas the worst and most thieving enterprise in the nation. He fights with them daily to protect his clients. He hollers a lot at the ding dongs that answer the phones and says things like, "Can I speak with someone who has a brain?" Everyone in the building can hear him. Sometimes they hang up on him which causes more fury. :cuss:When that happens everyone says, Uh oh! Poppa is making friends again! :) They lose paperwork constantly and they deny claims that are payable constantly too. He has to babysit policies all the time. He's a micro manager, so it fits him. He's been at it for over 35 years. A river to his people, I say. But nawny is the boss of this house!
:beer:

The problem with SR22 is that the people who must have it don't need to be driving a car. I hope he realizes that he isn't going to find a person at most insurance companies that have a brain.

When they call these taxes a "sin tax" they are misleading people. Neither drinking alcohol nor smoking is a sin. Doing them to excess, well that is another story. JMO

[Nawny]

The problem with SR22 is that the people who must have it don't need to be driving a car. I hope he realizes that he isn't going to find a person at most insurance companies that have a brain.

When they call these taxes a "sin tax" they are misleading people. Neither drinking alcohol nor smoking is a sin. Doing them to excess, well that is another story. JMO


Absolutely right deacon! Poppa calls them menaces. He is obligated to serve them, but he tells them like it is. Financial punsihment by the insurance companies, do not stop them for a minute. Obviously something worse has to happen. I'm with you.

[Nawny]

IMO, all the government programs should be reviewed and redone. Such as, there are people of all sorts on welfare programs that have no business being there--they just would rather sit back and get the money than to actually have to be @ work 40 hours a week. You, get up to the alarm clock, get showered and dressed and all that.

I do not begrudge those that clearly need assistance--in particular the person w/chronically debilitating conditions, the parents with children who need exceptional care, etc. The "old folks" who spent their lives working their fingers to the bone. I remember when the welform programs were introduced. Actual welfare was supposed to be a stop-gap for people down and out on their luck--some help whilst they got their lives together and could find work to support themselves and their families. I know people who went on welfare for that reason. Maybe food stamps to feed the kids, help w/rent and such. But their goal was to get OFF welfare as quickly as they could. I don't know when it evolved into the mess we have today.
There are so many ways to "beat the system." We have 3rd and 4th generations of people who have been in the system for all their lives. There are people who, as far as they are concerned, feel that "the government" "owes" it to them to be supported.

I remember when my niece graduated from high school. That year, Bill Clinton was proposing that teen moms be paid to attend school, have their daycare paid for, and when they graduate, give them a $5000 "reward." I wondered, what about my niece. Her parents were divorced, she worked part time @ Sonic, she was on the dance team and in the science club among other things. She graduated in the top 10% of her class of more than 300 kids. What reward was SHE going to get for not falling into the teen pregnancy trap? Shouldn't the "reward" be for those who work hard to do the right thing?

There are hardworking folk who could use some assistance. I would rather see them getting some help than the perfectly able bodied people who just don't want to have to go to work everyday. There are so many programs that can be accessed, there are some people in the system who have a better level of living than some of us who work our tushes off. I guess we are the fools to work so hard for someone else to get the benefit of our endeavors.

Yep! Welfare is supposed to be a port in the storm. That's all!

[BeastofBears]

Yep! Welfare is supposed to be a port in the storm. That's all!

California launched a "welfare to work" program, limiting the amount of time you could be on welfare, but upping support for job training, helping job hunts, etc. Oh, how people screamed! You would think that once it took effect, you would see people marching in the streets, saying they could not feed their kids. Nope, nada. But I have seen a lot more people with disabled placards running around the parking lots. I know there are hidden disabilities, but if you can run around, are you disabled? I know my disabled mom can't run. Could those that are of the nature to shirk work finding another solution? Methinks 'tis so...

I totally support welfare and its variables. People need it and we all pay into the system in case we need it. But it should not be a way of life for the able-bodied.

[BeastofBears]

Absolutely right deacon! Poppa calls them menaces. He is obligated to serve them, but he tells them like it is. Financial punsihment by the insurance companies, do not stop them for a minute. Obviously something worse has to happen. I'm with you.

Different situation, but I actually had a good experience with the gecko company after an accident. It was the other guys insurance company, and he was at fault. I told them I didn't want to make a profit, just not come out one single dime behind. They took care of everything within 48 hours, and even threw in a couple extra missed work days I hadn't claimed "just in case". I know they were probably relieved that I wasn't making a federal case out of it or going "oh, the pain, the pain"...but I was really worried since I was out of state and in an expensive rental car-and my boss had told me to decline the insurance, since the organization's insurance covered me. (Uh, so not! She claimed she had never said that! I forwarded her own e-mail back to her...TG it was 100% the other guy's fault!)

So, just wanted to give them props, or at least the claims adjuster I worked with...

[deacon]

California launched a "welfare to work" program, limiting the amount of time you could be on welfare, but upping support for job training, helping job hunts, etc. Oh, how people screamed! You would think that once it took effect, you would see people marching in the streets, saying they could not feed their kids. Nope, nada. But I have seen a lot more people with disabled placards running around the parking lots. I know there are hidden disabilities, but if you can run around, are you disabled? I know my disabled mom can't run. Could those that are of the nature to shirk work finding another solution? Methinks 'tis so...

I totally support welfare and its variables. People need it and we all pay into the system in case we need it. But it should not be a way of life for the able-bodied.

The problem I have is that what we PAY in for Social Security is funding a whole bunch of the "perks" for those who do not and have never worked. And every child they have bumps up the amount. If it were going to raise the children I would have less heart burn about it but I know it is not. More money to drink, party, do drugs, you know the things one of the subjects on this board was doing before they were put in jail.:flamemad:

[JLette]

ok, so i WAS scheduled to go to the doctor and take the infamous Sugar Test yesterday......i showed up for my appointment at 2pm and checked in with the desk clerk and went and had myself a seat in the lobby and waited. i proceeded to WAIT for an hour and a half in a crowded waiting room. at 3:30 i got up and went to find out how much longer i had to wait still, because being pregnant and sitting their is no fun at all. i get to the front desk and i am informed that my doctor was called away for an emergency one HALF HOUR BEFORE i even got there, and yet they allowed me to check in and proceed to WAIT all that time, instead of just telling me when i got there that my damn doctor had to leave and i needed to reschedule my appointment, which would have been the COURTEOUS thing to do!!!!! :cuss::cuss:

why the hell would they just let me sit their like an idiot for almost 2 hours, and then they didn't even tell me, i had to go and ask them, WTF!!!

so i proceeded to get angry with them, and i noticed there were several OTHER extremely pregnant women their, and since their is only ONE OB that works at this office i proceeded to say very loudly that any and all pregnant women should come up and reschedule because the doc wasn't even here! HAHAHAHA showed those desk women a thing or two about common courtesy at least, they were bombarded by a stampede of women in their third trimesters who were EXTREMELY PISSED OFF at having to wait all that time for nothing. alot of those women had been their MUCH LONGER than i had myself, and one of them was actually there to discuss inducing labor.....so maybe next time they will think about that before they just keep on checking in patients KNOWING that the doctor is gone and is not coming back that day. hahaha its evil of me but i am happy knowing that i made their jobs a little less pleasant yesterday.

[deacon]

ok, so i WAS scheduled to go to the doctor and take the infamous Sugar Test yesterday......i showed up for my appointment at 2pm and checked in with the desk clerk and went and had myself a seat in the lobby and waited. i proceeded to WAIT for an hour and a half in a crowded waiting room. at 3:30 i got up and went to find out how much longer i had to wait still, because being pregnant and sitting their is no fun at all. i get to the front desk and i am informed that my doctor was called away for an emergency one HALF HOUR BEFORE i even got there, and yet they allowed me to check in and proceed to WAIT all that time, instead of just telling me when i got there that my damn doctor had to leave and i needed to reschedule my appointment, which would have been the COURTEOUS thing to do!!!!! :cuss::cuss:

why the hell would they just let me sit their like an idiot for almost 2 hours, and then they didn't even tell me, i had to go and ask them, WTF!!!

so i proceeded to get angry with them, and i noticed there were several OTHER extremely pregnant women their, and since their is only ONE OB that works at this office i proceeded to say very loudly that any and all pregnant women should come up and reschedule because the doc wasn't even here! HAHAHAHA showed those desk women a thing or two about common courtesy at least, they were bombarded by a stampede of women in their third trimesters who were EXTREMELY PISSED OFF at having to wait all that time for nothing. alot of those women had been their MUCH LONGER than i had myself, and one of them was actually there to discuss inducing labor.....so maybe next time they will think about that before they just keep on checking in patients KNOWING that the doctor is gone and is not coming back that day. hahaha its evil of me but i am happy knowing that i made their jobs a little less pleasant yesterday.

That comes under the heading "It is all about me"

[JLette]

That comes under the heading "It is all about me"

lol it sure sounded that way when i reread it, but i needed to get that off my chest....and of course i embarassed myself with a tearful emotional outburst before i left the office too, pregnant women are unstable lol :biggrin:

[shadydaisy]

lol it sure sounded that way when i reread it, but i needed to get that off my chest....and of course i embarassed myself with a tearful emotional outburst before i left the office too, pregnant women are unstable lol :biggrin:

You are entitled to your outburst. It's cruel and unusual punishment to make you sit there for two hours with no hope of getting your test done. When were they going to tell you? When they closed up and left for the day?

[deacon]

lol it sure sounded that way when i reread it, but i needed to get that off my chest....and of course i embarassed myself with a tearful emotional outburst before i left the office too, pregnant women are unstable lol :biggrin:

Oh, I know. Mine drove me totaly crazy. Add to that my son was "breach" and she had to have a c-section. She was in the bed for four freakin weeks driving me crazy. She thought I couldn't do anything for myself. Whined all the time about not being able to get and clean or cook for me. Finally I told her to shut her trap. I am a big boy and do for myself and you, thank you very much. I am not a kid and her worring about me didn't do her a bit of good. :D Worked too. Go figure.:rose: for you and your stay in the office

[beemer]

dang but nice-we have friends flying in this week for a 2 week holiday. It will be great-its our new Yawker friends. So if not here i will be back Luv ya all more than my luggage :beer::hat:

[JLette]

You are entitled to your outburst. It's cruel and unusual punishment to make you sit there for two hours with no hope of getting your test done. When were they going to tell you? When they closed up and left for the day?

lmao thats EXACTLY what i said!!! like....what were they too afraid of all those prego's gettin pissed off at the same time so they just decided to let us leave on our own or something, lol

[BeastofBears]

ok, so i WAS scheduled to go to the doctor and take the infamous Sugar Test yesterday......i showed up for my appointment at 2pm and checked in with the desk clerk and went and had myself a seat in the lobby and waited. i proceeded to WAIT for an hour and a half in a crowded waiting room. at 3:30 i got up and went to find out how much longer i had to wait still, because being pregnant and sitting their is no fun at all. i get to the front desk and i am informed that my doctor was called away for an emergency one HALF HOUR BEFORE i even got there, and yet they allowed me to check in and proceed to WAIT all that time, instead of just telling me when i got there that my damn doctor had to leave and i needed to reschedule my appointment, which would have been the COURTEOUS thing to do!!!!! :cuss::cuss:

why the hell would they just let me sit their like an idiot for almost 2 hours, and then they didn't even tell me, i had to go and ask them, WTF!!!

so i proceeded to get angry with them, and i noticed there were several OTHER extremely pregnant women their, and since their is only ONE OB that works at this office i proceeded to say very loudly that any and all pregnant women should come up and reschedule because the doc wasn't even here! HAHAHAHA showed those desk women a thing or two about common courtesy at least, they were bombarded by a stampede of women in their third trimesters who were EXTREMELY PISSED OFF at having to wait all that time for nothing. alot of those women had been their MUCH LONGER than i had myself, and one of them was actually there to discuss inducing labor.....so maybe next time they will think about that before they just keep on checking in patients KNOWING that the doctor is gone and is not coming back that day. hahaha its evil of me but i am happy knowing that i made their jobs a little less pleasant yesterday.

That is SO unacceptable! I hope it at least wasn't the fasting one, because I would have eaten the receptionist before leaving!

Helpful hint: If you want to pass, eat only protein, no carbs, starting the night before your test. eggs, no toast, hamburger, no bun, no milk...it keeps your levels stable. Of course, if you are truly GD, you will still fail, which is fine. I was so close, borderline both times, I even had to do the 3 hour. That was hell.

good luck

[mu8shark]

Animal lovers man am I mad! I worked for this vet a while back and they dismissed me because of a dispute we had. Prior to this they had given me two used doghouses that they said to take as they no longer had any use for them. The dismissal was because they accused me of misusing the computer.After they looked into it, it turned out to be another employee. I was pretty upset that I was dismissed because I loved working with animals and I was wrongly accused. . Anyhow, all of sudden I get this letter to return the doghouses they gave me or pay 125.00 each for them. I flat out refused, A few weeks ago this vet came into my place of employment to hassle me about those doghouses which she is not allowed to do. Now here is the real rub. I took my pets to another vet who is really wonderful and he wanted the old vet to send over results from a test on Brodys liver function in order to put him under safely for a procedure in the future. The former vet refused to send the records by fax. I called and they told me they would not release the records unless they got the doghouses back. It is my contention if I owed them a million dollars they do not have the right to withhold the medical records of my dog as punishment or as a bargaining tool. It is about my dogs health after all. Now I can get a new liver panel obviously but is the principle of the thing. I do not think it is ethical to do this over a financial dispute but I can't find any info online about KS codes governing this specific subject in my state. I could of course return the doghouses but they were given to me and the vet even admitted this when she hassled me at work. She said the person who gave these to you did not have the authority to do so. It was in fact her who gave them to me! Just on general principle I do not feel like returning these doghouses. Any suggestion on my recourse with the medical records pet lovers?? I can't afford a lawyer.

[BeastofBears]

dang but nice-we have friends flying in this week for a 2 week holiday. It will be great-its our new Yawker friends. So if not here i will be back Luv ya all more than my luggage :beer::hat:

That's not good enough, Beemer. They will sleep sometime. I expect you to take advantage of their Circadian rhythms...:no: no excuses!:seeya:

[BeastofBears]

Animal lovers man am I mad! I worked for this vet a while back and they dismissed me because of a dispute we had. Prior to this they had given me two used doghouses that they said to take as they no longer had any use for them. The dismissal was because they accused me of misusing the computer.After they looked into it, it turned out to be another employee. I was pretty upset that I was dismissed because I loved working with animals and I was wrongly accused. . Anyhow, all of sudden I get this letter to return the doghouses they gave me or pay 125.00 each for them. I flat out refused, A few weeks ago this vet came into my place of employment to hassle me about those doghouses which she is not allowed to do. Now here is the real rub. I took my pets to another vet who is really wonderful and he wanted the old vet to send over results from a test on Brodys liver function in order to put him under safely for a procedure in the future. The former vet refused to send the records by fax. I called and they told me they would not release the records unless they got the doghouses back. It is my contention if I owed them a million dollars they do not have the right to withhold the medical records of my dog as punishment or as a bargaining tool. It is about my dogs health after all. Now I can get a new liver panel obviously but is the principle of the thing. I do not think it is ethical to do this over a financial dispute but I can't find any info online about KS codes governing this specific subject in my state. I could of course return the doghouses but they were given to me and the vet even admitted this when she hassled me at work. She said the person who gave these to you did not have the authority to do so. It was in fact her who gave them to me! Just on general principle I do not feel like returning these doghouses. Any suggestion on my recourse with the medical records pet lovers?? I can't afford a lawyer.

I'd write a scathing demand letter myself and include ethics info:

National code of ethics: http://www.avma.org/issues/policy/ethics.asp
I would suggest point (II. L.) as a useful point.
( III. D.) (VI. D.1.) says they have to give the records and info to a new vet. VIII. D. says they are REQUIRED to provide copies of med records to you.

Also, the American Veterinary Association has a code of ethics online, but its a PDF, just google it if you want to threaten with that one, too.

Good luck! Financial issues are totally separate from health care, imo! And I think this IS an ethical violation.

[mu8shark]

I'd write a scathing demand letter myself and include ethics info:

National code of ethics: http://www.avma.org/issues/policy/ethics.asp
I would suggest point (II. L.) as a useful point.
( III. D.) (VI. D.1.) says they have to give the records and info to a new vet. VIII. D. says they are REQUIRED to provide copies of med records to you.

Also, the American Veterinary Association has a code of ethics online, but its a PDF, just google it if you want to threaten with that one, too.

Good luck! Financial issues are totally separate from health care, imo! And I think this IS an ethical violation. Thanks for the links. That is helpful . I am contacting the Kansas Veterinary board tomorrow and filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

[Nawny]

Different situation, but I actually had a good experience with the gecko company after an accident. It was the other guys insurance company, and he was at fault. I told them I didn't want to make a profit, just not come out one single dime behind. They took care of everything within 48 hours, and even threw in a couple extra missed work days I hadn't claimed "just in case". I know they were probably relieved that I wasn't making a federal case out of it or going "oh, the pain, the pain"...but I was really worried since I was out of state and in an expensive rental car-and my boss had told me to decline the insurance, since the organization's insurance covered me. (Uh, so not! She claimed she had never said that! I forwarded her own e-mail back to her...TG it was 100% the other guy's fault!)

So, just wanted to give them props, or at least the claims adjuster I worked with...


You got lucky BoB! I love the part where you stuck your boss's foot in her mouth! ;) Good goin!

We don't' say the word Gecko in my house.. lol!!!! In fact I had the poster enlarged of the Gecko in the eagles mouth with the words"Let's see this little **** sell insurance now!" printed under it. And hung it on Poppa's wall in his office foyer. People laugh every time they see it. One client wanted a copy of it.

[Nawny]

Thanks for the links. That is helpful . I am contacting the Kansas Veterinary board tomorrow and filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

You need to write a letter stating exactly what you posted about the situation. It read well and told the story clearly. Then send to the people who will threaten to pull her license away from her so fast she will be over your house with money to PAY YOU for the dog houses and give you the records that are your property too!

There is no way she can hold back those records and if she is'nt borderline nuts, she would know that. You can send her a copy of the letter. She will lose her bladder control. That oughta learn her. I hate those kinds of people! She's a bad one! :flamemad:

[Nawny]

Thanks for the links. That is helpful . I am contacting the Kansas Veterinary board tomorrow and filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

From BoB's link:



Ethically, the information within veterinary medical records is considered privileged and confidential. It must not be released except by court order or consent of the owner of the patient.
Veterinarians are obligated to provide copies or summaries of medical records when requested by the client. Veterinarians should secure a written release to document that request.

[Nawny]

More rain coming this week... my poor blue Jays and robins will be wearing wet suits and grow webbed feet..

Whaaahhhh!!! Where is summer?:cuss:

[BeastofBears]

More rain coming this week... my poor blue Jays and robins will be wearing wet suits and grow webbed feet..

Whaaahhhh!!! Where is summer?:cuss:

I can't believe the corn I planted is growing, considering how long its been since its seen real sun...

[beemer]

That's not good enough, Beemer. They will sleep sometime. I expect you to take advantage of their Circadian rhythms...:no: no excuses!:seeya:

Ha ha well i am here now-right it is now 6:18 A.M. I just cant stay away :beer:

[beemer]

Company arriving late today now. Yes i will take advantage of their circadiams BoB so in essence I will have none :biggrin: They will be day trippin on their own as well. ;)

[shadydaisy]

I can't believe the corn I planted is growing, considering how long its been since its seen real sun...

Sun? What's that? Went to DD's outdoor graduation last night wearing Under-Armour under my dress clothes and I still froze. We sat on the football field, AstroTurf, and the dampness was overwhelming. Not to mention the wind swirling through the stadium.

Little vent here - people sitting near me brought their 2 week old baby wearing a footie sleeper and nothing else. No hat, no blanket, no jacket. These were not young, inexperienced parents. Professionals, late 30's. They had to have had a kid graduating or they would have had to sit on the bleachers, not on the field.

[deacon]

Sun? What's that? Went to DD's outdoor graduation last night wearing Under-Armour under my dress clothes and I still froze. We sat on the football field, AstroTurf, and the dampness was overwhelming. Not to mention the wind swirling through the stadium.

Little vent here - people sitting near me brought their 2 week old baby wearing a footie sleeper and nothing else. No hat, no blanket, no jacket. These were not young, inexperienced parents. Professionals, late 30's. They had to have had a kid graduating or they would have had to sit on the bleachers, not on the field.

We had tornado warnings all night last night. Few trees in the area went down but not much else other than wind and thunderstorms.

[Nawny]

That comes under the heading "It is all about me"

IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! At the expense of the patient's comfort! Western medicine's work force at its best!

[deacon]

IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! At the expense of the patient's comfort! Western medicine's work force at its best!

Of course, me's wallet is included in "me.":)

[JLette]

That is SO unacceptable! I hope it at least wasn't the fasting one, because I would have eaten the receptionist before leaving!

Helpful hint: If you want to pass, eat only protein, no carbs, starting the night before your test. eggs, no toast, hamburger, no bun, no milk...it keeps your levels stable. Of course, if you are truly GD, you will still fail, which is fine. I was so close, borderline both times, I even had to do the 3 hour. That was hell.

good luck

hahaha lucky for them i was told i did not have to fast for this test and i had eaten lunch before going down there, otherwise i may have just gone Hannibal all over that place lmao

[Amy]

hahaha lucky for them i was told i did not have to fast for this test and i had eaten lunch before going down there, otherwise i may have just gone Hannibal all over that place lmao

I had an appointment for 10 or 10:30 once to be tested for diabetes. Had to be fasting, since midnight, and that's a long way to go there. Anyway, by 11:30 when I was still in the waiting area, not even in a cold little cubicle, I had asked, could I just go to the lab and get the blood work done so I could eat SOMETHING? (Even if you're not a diabetic, going that long is heck, but IF you are a diabetic--it could be disastrous!!!!) Well, they just really didn't know what all test the doc would be ordering. GMAB!!!! It's pretty damn routine what blood tests would be fricking run to check for diabetes!!! And, how's about just drawing a LOT of blood, so he can run any damn test he wants? Some in each of the little different vials that have different subtances in them. Nope, cannot do.

DD was with me, observed patients going in and out of the other offices. She says, "Mom, you should go to one of the other doctors--all those people have been in and out and we just sit here!!!" I finally went to the window, saying I was canceling the appointment. The receptionist asked when I would like to reschedule. I told her--NEVER!!!! And, do NOT send me a bill for this visit that I WAS HERE FOR, AHEAD OF TIME, BUT WAS NOT CALLED IN OVER 2 HOURS!!!!! So, I went to the nurse practitioner I had seen for a sore on my arm, and needed to show her. She saw how upset I was and sent me to the lab, and took over from there.

I can't believe the receptionists were surprised that I was so upset--even tho I know w/this doc, you DO NOT get in, in a timely manner. I can't have been the first person to be upset. And, they don't even give the excuse of being called away for emergency (I am a nurse @ the hospital there, and they know better than to lie to me) but admitted they overbook!!!!:flamemad:

I loved going to the nurse practitioner. My DD started going there, too. I was in the room by the appointed time, and she was right in there, did not have to wait for more than a few minutes any time I was there. She also TALKED to me (the difference between a doctor and a nurse--nurses get LOTS of "training" in talking to and LISTENING to the patient, lol) We would not only discuss what was going on w/ME, but also how things were going s/DD--and when I took DD in, she also discussed things about me. She moved away a couple of years ago. I sure miss her, altho there are other NP's around. (Crying icon goes here.)

[Amy]

When I was still going to this same doc, I was having skin tags removed. He only does "surgery" @ the end of the day. So, one day I am there @ the appointed time (it sure is funny, YOU have to be there ON TIME, or you are a no show. The DOC can come in any time he darn well pleases, regardless how long you have to wait.) I wait and wait, and finally, the receptionist comes to me and says, doc is delayed, would I like to wait or reschedule. So, I rescheduled.

On the rescheduled day, again, I am there on time. I wait and wait. Finally, I seem to be the only person in the waiting room where the lights are now dimmed. Even the receptionist is gone. I'm thinking--what the heck--did they FORGET I was here? Nope, after a while, here comes the doc's nurse, wondering if I want to go in, or to reschedule. I am SURE she expected me to reschedule, but I told her, this is the 2nd time I have been here, I have waited all this time, and I want the procedure done TODAY!!!! Bet it ruined their evening plans to have to work so late, but what the heck. I have better things to do than to sit in a doctor's office waiting to be rescheduled!!! :flamemad:

[JLette]

When I was still going to this same doc, I was having skin tags removed. He only does "surgery" @ the end of the day. So, one day I am there @ the appointed time (it sure is funny, YOU have to be there ON TIME, or you are a no show. The DOC can come in any time he darn well pleases, regardless how long you have to wait.) I wait and wait, and finally, the receptionist comes to me and says, doc is delayed, would I like to wait or reschedule. So, I rescheduled.

On the rescheduled day, again, I am there on time. I wait and wait. Finally, I seem to be the only person in the waiting room where the lights are now dimmed. Even the receptionist is gone. I'm thinking--what the heck--did they FORGET I was here? Nope, after a while, here comes the doc's nurse, wondering if I want to go in, or to reschedule. I am SURE she expected me to reschedule, but I told her, this is the 2nd time I have been here, I have waited all this time, and I want the procedure done TODAY!!!! Bet it ruined their evening plans to have to work so late, but what the heck. I have better things to do than to sit in a doctor's office waiting to be rescheduled!!! :flamemad:

that is just UNACCEPTABLE. ok granted they are friggin doctors, ok great! you went to med school you help sick people, WOO FREAKIN HOO, but you know what? you still have a JOB and when you have a JOB you are obligated to be there when you are supposed to be there, and you are obligated to take that JOB seriously!!!!! i don't care if your a surgeon or a crew member at TACO FRIGGIN BELL if you are making money to do a JOB you damn well better take it seriously and respect it and do it right!!!

[deacon]

that is just UNACCEPTABLE. ok granted they are friggin doctors, ok great! you went to med school you help sick people, WOO FREAKIN HOO, but you know what? you still have a JOB and when you have a JOB you are obligated to be there when you are supposed to be there, and you are obligated to take that JOB seriously!!!!! i don't care if your a surgeon or a crew member at TACO FRIGGIN BELL if you are making money to do a JOB you damn well better take it seriously and respect it and do it right!!!

I agree. Now tell us how you really feel.

[BeastofBears]

I like nurse practitioners, too. They have had a lot of training, I think it requires a master's, and they have to keep up on their medical training.

I was seeing a doctor for months, I told him I thought the baby was breech. Oh, no, she's head down. Then he cancelled on me and I saw a nurse practitioner at 36 weeks, and she took one look at me from across the room and asked how long the baby had been breech! She saved me from a c-section.

After that, I changed doctors.

[deacon]

I like nurse practitioners, too. They have had a lot of training, I think it requires a master's, and they have to keep up on their medical training.

I was seeing a doctor for months, I told him I thought the baby was breech. Oh, no, she's head down. Then he cancelled on me and I saw a nurse practitioner at 36 weeks, and she took one look at me from across the room and asked how long the baby had been breech! She saved me from a c-section.

After that, I changed doctors.

Soapbox time. You know, that is what is wrong with our healthcare system today. Doctors have become a bunch of people who think the world revolves around them and their schedule. Not only that but they have become money hungry. They claim that their malpractice insurance is the reason they charge so much and the the reason they have to have such a messed up schedule and that is a crock. They live in the biggest houses in town, along with another group that I dearly love, lawyers. (please not sarcasim) On the insurance thing, if they spent more than two minutes with a patient and cared as much about them as they do about their tee time this afternoon, they wouldn't make so many dad blasted mistakes and then their dad blasted insurance wouldn't be so high.
edited because my soapbox spelling isn't so good.

[Nawny]

Of course, me's wallet is included in "me.":)

LOL!! Yes indeedy! Me's wallet has been swiped many times by those pro fesssionals. Hurry up and wait and pay at the window!

[Nawny]

When I was still going to this same doc, I was having skin tags removed. He only does "surgery" @ the end of the day. So, one day I am there @ the appointed time (it sure is funny, YOU have to be there ON TIME, or you are a no show. The DOC can come in any time he darn well pleases, regardless how long you have to wait.) I wait and wait, and finally, the receptionist comes to me and says, doc is delayed, would I like to wait or reschedule. So, I rescheduled.

On the rescheduled day, again, I am there on time. I wait and wait. Finally, I seem to be the only person in the waiting room where the lights are now dimmed. Even the receptionist is gone. I'm thinking--what the heck--did they FORGET I was here? Nope, after a while, here comes the doc's nurse, wondering if I want to go in, or to reschedule. I am SURE she expected me to reschedule, but I told her, this is the 2nd time I have been here, I have waited all this time, and I want the procedure done TODAY!!!! Bet it ruined their evening plans to have to work so late, but what the heck. I have better things to do than to sit in a doctor's office waiting to be rescheduled!!! :flamemad:


Exactly Amy! Our time is not valuable? When you don't show up most doctors bill you for being a no show! Once a dentist pulled that on poppa. He had to leave after waiting a few hours, and they sent him a bill. He sent them a bill back charging for his time. (True story) and they never billed him again.

They make me sick. :cuss:

[Nawny]

Soapbox time. You know, that is what is wrong with our healthcare system today. Doctors have become a bunch of people who think the world revolves around them and their schedule. Not only that but they have become money hungry. They claim that their malpractice insurance is the reason they charge so much and the the reason they have to have such a messed up schedule and that is a crock. They live in the biggest houses in town, along with another group that I dearly love, lawyers. (please not sarcasm) On the insurance thing, if they spent more than two minutes with a patient and cared as much about them as they do about their tee time this afternoon, they wouldn't make so many dad blasted mistakes and then their dad blasted insurance wouldn't be so high.
edited because my soapbox spelling isn't so good.

Here here! Can't add nothing to that one deacon! And your dad blasted spelling is fine! I just hit the ABC check in the google toolbar.. as I always do for my own dad blasted spelling! ;) Looks good to google spellcheck!

[JLette]

I agree. Now tell us how you really feel.

:cool:

[JLette]

Exactly Amy! Our time is not valuable? When you don't show up most doctors bill you for being a no show! Once a dentist pulled that on poppa. He had to leave after waiting a few hours, and they sent him a bill. He sent them a bill back charging for his time. (True story) and they never billed him again.

They make me sick. :cuss:


OMG the docs here just say that if you don't show up or if you reschedule with less than 24 hours notice then it COULD result in a cancellation of medical services.....but i cannot say how many times i have shown up for appointments and had them tell me either the appointment had been cancelled or it had been rescheduled without them even trying to contact me and let me know, its absolutely infuriating :cuss:

[Nawny]

that is just UNACCEPTABLE. ok granted they are friggin doctors, ok great! you went to med school you help sick people, WOO FREAKIN HOO, but you know what? you still have a JOB and when you have a JOB you are obligated to be there when you are supposed to be there, and you are obligated to take that JOB seriously!!!!! i don't care if your a surgeon or a crew member at TACO FRIGGIN BELL if you are making money to do a JOB you damn well better take it seriously and respect it and do it right!!!

This country and its work force has been high on drugs for a few years now. Taco Bell can't get 80% of an order right either. Dunkin Donuts, Tim Horton's, any drive thru fast food place... the air conditioning place I do business with, the contractors who re did my bathroom last winter .. 2 guys came late, left early, often left together to go get a part a child could carry.. GMAB! I've been aghast at the service departments of any and all vendors in my state (at least) and doctors got it too, hospital are making major mistakes! A month or so ago, they operated on the wrong side of a child's cleft pallet, another incident in my state, gave the wrong girl a hysterectomy. She as 27 years old and had the same name as the patient who was scheduled for it. The wrong girl needed a cyst removed from an ovary. Wrong leg hacked off in another case. Wrong side of the head opened in a case where the man had a brain tumor.. It's damn scary.. And Damn straight they need insurance premiums in the millions.

[JLette]

This country and its work force has been high on drugs for a few years now. Taco Bell can't get 80% of an order right either. Dunkin Donuts, Tim Horton's, any drive thru fast food place... the air conditioning place I do business with, the contractors who re did my bathroom last winter .. 2 guys came late, left early, often left together to go get a part a child could carry.. GMAB! I've been aghast at the service departments of any and all vendors in my state (at least) and doctors got it too, hospital are making major mistakes! A month or so ago, they operated on the wrong side of a child's cleft pallet, another incident in my state, gave the wrong girl a hysterectomy. She as 27 years old and had the same name as the patient who was scheduled for it. The wrong girl needed a cyst removed from an ovary. Wrong leg hacked off in another case. Wrong side of the head opened in a case where the man had a brain tumor.. It's damn scary.. And Damn straight they need insurance premiums in the millions.


well damn, if i am ever on your side of the world i will be sure to NOT get medical attention for anything.........................:eek:

[Justice Denied?]

More rain coming this week... my poor blue Jays and robins will be wearing wet suits and grow webbed feet..

Whaaahhhh!!! Where is summer?:cuss:

You are welcome to come here. It was a hot, sunny 97 degrees at 6pm. Yesterday was 102 so got a little break today. Speaking of which, remember when I offered all you snowbound gals my hospitality? Well now would be a good time to return the favor.

[Gatordog]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

[JLette]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

:(:(:(:(

im so sorry gator.....losing a pet is as bad as losing a human member of the family :rose::rose::rose::rose::rose::rose:

[deacon]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

So sorry to hear that. I can say, I know how you feel. Lost my cat of 16 years a month ago and I still catch myself looking out of the window at home waiting for her to come up to eat. Well, not so much for food and to be loved.

[beemer]

Oh Gator i know how much your heart hurts right now. I am so glad you were able to be with him on his journey. You will miss him so. You both will be in my prayers tonight. God Bless :rose::rose:

[Justice Denied?]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

I am so, so sorry for your loss. May Gator rest in peace and may you be comforted by the fact he died knowing he was loved.

Sharron

[Nawny]

well damn, if i am ever on your side of the world i will be sure to NOT get medical attention for anything.........................:eek:

I don't either J... I get my medical services in Massachusetts. Last time I had surgery I went to Lahey clinic in Boston area. RI is famous for medical screw ups. I know they've saved lives too, but this state is still famous for screw ups. I've been leaning more and more toward Eastern Medicine.

[lighthousedazy]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

GatorI am so sorry for your loss, Gator. I agree with JLette that losing a beloved pet is just as sorrowful as losing a human family member. :rose:

[Nawny]

You are welcome to come here. It was a hot, sunny 97 degrees at 6pm. Yesterday was 102 so got a little break today. Speaking of which, remember when I offered all you snowbound gals my hospitality? Well now would be a good time to return the favor.

:-) You're hospitality is greatly appreciated most especially now because I have the heat on at my house. ;) I offer you a bed with several blankets on it and wooly slippers so you won't freeze on the way to the bathroom a shoulder shawl and a hot cup of tea.

[Nawny]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

What words are there for one who grieves? How many hugs will dry your tears? Will the love you gave to that beautiful friend be lost? Forgotten? Wasted? I think not Gator.. I think not.

Mr. Gator had a very charmed life. I think he was a real sparkone kinda guy. Who gets to live in that nice house in the Sunshine State with a servant who waited on him hand and feet??? You were his mother, his butler, his nurse, his best friend and you paid for his medical care for so long... not to mention the mortgage on his castle. :hat: He is home, and he is no longer suffering, not sick anymore..may your fun memories of him walk with you forever. He will always be with you. Still watching the house!

My heart goes with you.... :rose:

http://www.petloss.com/poems/maingrp/rainbowb.htm

[Nawny]

Goodnight all. Nawny had a long day. Time to crawl up those stairs again. :-)

Night Gator boy.. I know your'e having fun in heaven tonight! :rose:

[BeastofBears]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

Ohhhhh, Gator, I'm so sorry!
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[Gatordog]

Thank you everyone for your condolences and words of comfort. It is so wonderful knowing that I have so many friends. When Gator died, the tech said he's with his friends now. I actaually laughed and said no, he's not. Gator was a bully and everyone was afraid of him. He loved me too much and was super protective. I read this a few years ago and saved it for when my time comes.

Weep Not

Do not weep for me
when I am gone
for I have friends
in the great beyond.
All the little ones
I used to feed
will come to me
in my time of need.
They will purr and bark
in great delight
and I willl hold
and hug them tight.
Oh, what a great day
that will be
when my furry friends
all welcome me.

:rose:

Gator

[Nawny]

Thank you everyone for your condolences and words of comfort. It is so wonderful knowing that I have so many friends. When Gator died, the tech said he's with his friends now. I actually laughed and said no, he's not. Gator was a bully and everyone was afraid of him. He loved me too much and was super protective. I read this a few years ago and saved it for when my time comes.

Weep Not

Do not weep for me
when I am gone
for I have friends
in the great beyond.
All the little ones
I used to feed
will come to me
in my time of need.
They will purr and bark
in great delight
and I will hold
and hug them tight.
Oh, what a great day
that will be
when my furry friends
all welcome me.

:rose:

Gator

I just cried happy tears.. now you even help those who grieve Gator with you! :) You are a great lady! Jade reminds me of you... she makes big conversation for every cat and dog she sees. She's still on about Gus, the dog she met just once.

Thinking of you and Gator dog. :)

:rose:

[shadydaisy]

My beloved Gator is gone. He died at 5:30 tonight with me by his side in my bedroom. He was great yesterday but took a bad turn last night at 7:00. I could tell I would not be able to save him this time. This afternoon his eyes told me he was ready to rest. His vet came over and it was so peaceful. I will miss my best friend forever.

Gator

Oh Gator, I am so sorry for the loss of your best buddy. Please remember the good times (and the funny times when he was a rascal) and allow yourself to grieve for as long as you need.

[samanthajane13]

Oh, Gator!!!

I'm so very sorry your sweet dog has passed away.

Nothing can replace the unconditional love of a pet, and if you had 20 pets, no two would be alike.

I'm sure he'll be waiting for you at Rainbow Bridge when your time here on Earth is through.

The Rainbow Bridge
-Inspired by a Norse Legend

By the edge of a woods, at the foot of a hill
Is a lush, green meadow where time stands still.
Where the friends of man and woman do run
When their time on Earth is over and done.

For here, between this world and the next,
Is a place where each beloved creature finds rest.
On this golden land, they waitand they play,
Till the Rainbow Bridge they cross over one day.

No more do they suffer in pain or in sadness,
For here they are whole, their lives filled with gladness.
Their limbs are restored, their health renewed,
Their bodies are healed, with strength imbued.

They romp through the grass, without even a care,
Until one day they start, and sniff the air.
All ears prick forward, eyes dart front and back,
Then all of a sudden, one breaks from the pack.

For just at that instant, their eyes have met;
Together again, both person and pet.
So they run to each other, these friends from long past,
The time of their parting is over at last.

The sadness they felt while they were apart,
Has turned to joy once more in each heart.
They embrace with a love that will last forever,
And then, side-by-side, they cross over...together.

******

If you ever love an animal,
There are three days in your life you will always remember.
The first is a day, blessed with happiness,
When you bring home your young new friend.
You may have spent weeks deciding on a breed.
You may have asked numerous opinions of many vets,
Or done long research in finding a breeder.
Or, perhaps in a fleeting moment,
You may have just chosen that silly looking mutt in a shelter
Simply because something in its eyes reached your heart.
But when you bring that chosen pet home,
And watch it explore, and claim its special place in your hall or front room
And when you feel it brush against you for the first time
It instills a feeling of pure love
You will carry with you through the many years to come.

The second day will occur eight or nine or ten years later.
It will be a day like any other.
Routine and unexceptional.
But, for a surprising instant,
You will look at your longtime friend
And see age where you once saw youth.
You will see slow deliberate steps
Where you once saw energy.
And you will see sleep where you once saw activity.
So you will begin to adjust your friend's diet
And you may add a pill or two to her food.
And you may feel a growing fear deep within yourself,
Which bodes of a coming emptiness.
And you will feel this uneasy feeling, on and off,
Until the third day finally arrives.

And on this day if your friend and God have not decided for you,
Then you will be faced with making a decision of your own
On behalf of your lifelong friend,
And with the guidance of your own deepest Spirit.
But whichever way your friend eventually leaves you
You will feel as alone as a single star
In the dark night sky.
If you are wise, you will let the tears flow
As freely and as often as they must.
And if you are typical,
You will find that not many in your circle
Of family or human friends
Will be able to understand your grief, or comfort you.
But if you are true to the love
Of the pet you cherished through the many joy-filled years,
You may find that a soul a bit smaller in size than your own
Seems to walk with you, at times, during the lonely days to come.
And at moments when you least expect
Anything out of the ordinary to happen,
You may feel something brush against your leg very, very lightly.
And looking down at the place
Where your dear, perhaps dearest, friend used to lie
You will remember those three significant days.
The memory will most likely be painful,
And leave an ache in your heart
As time passes the ache will come and go
As if it has a life of its own.
You will both reject it and embrace it,
And it may confuse you.
If you reject it, it will depress you.
If you embrace it, it will deepen you.
Either way, it will still be an ache.

But there will be, I assure you, a fourth day when
Along with the memory of your pet
And piercing through the heaviness in your heart
There will come a realization that belongs only to you.
It will be as unique and strong
As our relationship with each animal we have loved, and lost.
This realization takes the form of a Living Love
Like the heavenly scent of a rose
That remains after the petals have wilted,
This Love will remain and grow
And be there for us to remember.
It is a love we have earned.
It is the legacy our pets leave us when they go
And it is a gift we may keep with us as long as we live.
It is a Love which is ours alone
And until we ourselves leave,
Perhaps to join our Beloved Pets
It is a Love that we will always possess.

© 2000 by Martin Scot Kosins,
In Angel Pawprints:
Reflections on Loving and Losing a Canine Companion,
Reprinted with permission of the author.

******

You and Gator will be in our prayers, sweetie!!

[Nawny]

What a bunch of great people here! Ya know, there are many sites (as Grund said at the latest memorial for Caylee) many sites with those obsessed with this case. I suppose that is true, but this site, this board, is different. We are not obsessed, we care about a little girl. That we here are caring has been proven by the response to Gator's passing. Yeah, I'll say it; we care more about Gator than the A's seem to care about little Caylee. But the love we show for her is big enough to wrap around the world whether CA likes it or not. Bah fongool to her! Human compassion is a good thing. :rose:

(I hope Gator is part Irish! They seem to know how to celebrate life rather than mourn death.)Let's drink a toast to Gator tonight! Hagnog lady? where's old_soul? Pour em baby! :beer:

[samanthajane13]

I think I'll be drinking to all the precious fur-babies at the Bridge who wait for us.

And Gator-I think I'm going to have that poem on my head-stone.

[Gatordog]

Oh, Gator!!!

I'm so very sorry your sweet dog has passed away.

Nothing can replace the unconditional love of a pet, and if you had 20 pets, no two would be alike.

I'm sure he'll be waiting for you at Rainbow Bridge when your time here on Earth is through.

The Rainbow Bridge
-Inspired by a Norse Legend

By the edge of a woods, at the foot of a hill
Is a lush, green meadow where time stands still.
Where the friends of man and woman do run
When their time on Earth is over and done.

For here, between this world and the next,
Is a place where each beloved creature finds rest.
On this golden land, they waitand they play,
Till the Rainbow Bridge they cross over one day.

No more do they suffer in pain or in sadness,
For here they are whole, their lives filled with gladness.
Their limbs are restored, their health renewed,
Their bodies are healed, with strength imbued.

They romp through the grass, without even a care,
Until one day they start, and sniff the air.
All ears prick forward, eyes dart front and back,
Then all of a sudden, one breaks from the pack.

For just at that instant, their eyes have met;
Together again, both person and pet.
So they run to each other, these friends from long past,
The time of their parting is over at last.

The sadness they felt while they were apart,
Has turned to joy once more in each heart.
They embrace with a love that will last forever,
And then, side-by-side, they cross over...together.

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If you ever love an animal,
There are three days in your life you will always remember.
The first is a day, blessed with happiness,
When you bring home your young new friend.
You may have spent weeks deciding on a breed.
You may have asked numerous opinions of many vets,
Or done long research in finding a breeder.
Or, perhaps in a fleeting moment,
You may have just chosen that silly looking mutt in a shelter
Simply because something in its eyes reached your heart.
But when you bring that chosen pet home,
And watch it explore, and claim its special place in your hall or front room
And when you feel it brush against you for the first time
It instills a feeling of pure love
You will carry with you through the many years to come.

The second day will occur eight or nine or ten years later.
It will be a day like any other.
Routine and unexceptional.
But, for a surprising instant,
You will look at your longtime friend
And see age where you once saw youth.
You will see slow deliberate steps
Where you once saw energy.
And you will see sleep where you once saw activity.
So you will begin to adjust your friend's diet
And you may add a pill or two to her food.
And you may feel a growing fear deep within yourself,
Which bodes of a coming emptiness.
And you will feel this uneasy feeling, on and off,
Until the third day finally arrives.

And on this day if your friend and God have not decided for you,
Then you will be faced with making a decision of your own
On behalf of your lifelong friend,
And with the guidance of your own deepest Spirit.
But whichever way your friend eventually leaves you
You will feel as alone as a single star
In the dark night sky.
If you are wise, you will let the tears flow
As freely and as often as they must.
And if you are typical,
You will find that not many in your circle
Of family or human friends
Will be able to understand your grief, or comfort you.
But if you are true to the love
Of the pet you cherished through the many joy-filled years,
You may find that a soul a bit smaller in size than your own
Seems to walk with you, at times, during the lonely days to come.
And at moments when you least expect
Anything out of the ordinary to happen,
You may feel something brush against your leg very, very lightly.
And looking down at the place
Where your dear, perhaps dearest, friend used to lie
You will remember those three significant days.
The memory will most likely be painful,
And leave an ache in your heart
As time passes the ache will come and go
As if it has a life of its own.
You will both reject it and embrace it,
And it may confuse you.
If you reject it, it will depress you.
If you embrace it, it will deepen you.
Either way, it will still be an ache.

But there will be, I assure you, a fourth day when
Along with the memory of your pet
And piercing through the heaviness in your heart
There will come a realization that belongs only to you.
It will be as unique and strong
As our relationship with each animal we have loved, and lost.
This realization takes the form of a Living Love
Like the heavenly scent of a rose
That remains after the petals have wilted,
This Love will remain and grow
And be there for us to remember.
It is a love we have earned.
It is the legacy our pets leave us when they go
And it is a gift we may keep with us as long as we live.
It is a Love which is ours alone
And until we ourselves leave,
Perhaps to join our Beloved Pets
It is a Love that we will always possess.

© 2000 by Martin Scot Kosins,
In Angel Pawprints:
Reflections on Loving and Losing a Canine Companion,
Reprinted with permission of the author.

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You and Gator will be in our prayers, sweetie!!

That is the most beautiful thing I have ever read and it's so true. I am sobbing right now for Gator and if I weren't then it would mean that 13.5 years of loyalty and love didn't exist.

I know you understand since you still keep SamanthaJane's name as I will keep Gator's. Of course the second doubts are coming that maybe I could have pulled him out again but it would only have delayed the inevitable and given him days of pain. He left this world full of the way he lived it, with dignity and his Mommy by his side. Some may say he was just a dog but he was my reason for coming home from work, for waking up to feed him, and when I was tired or sad he always was by my side putting his toys in my hand.

[Gatordog]

What a bunch of great people here! Ya know, there are many sites (as Grund said at the latest memorial for Caylee) many sites with those obsessed with this case. I suppose that is true, but this site, this board, is different. We are not obsessed, we care about a little girl. That we here are caring has been proven by the response to Gator's passing. Yeah, I'll say it; we care more about Gator than the A's seem to care about little Caylee. But the love we show for her is big enough to wrap around the world whether CA likes it or not. Bah fongool to her! Human compassion is a good thing. :rose:

(I hope Gator is part Irish! They seem to know how to celebrate life rather than mourn death.)Let's drink a toast to Gator tonight! Hagnog lady? where's old_soul? Pour em baby! :beer:

Aw, Nawny, you are so terrific. :beer:

[Gatordog]

You know, I just don't get George and Cindy. I have a hole in my heart right now that only time will heal. I cry every hour. I couldn't eat last night and almost forgot to take my meds. How in Heaven's name did they go out to eat the night that Caylee's bones were found? How can they forgive and stand by her murderer. If one of my brother's had killed Gator, they would have to lock me up to keep from beating him to a pulp or worse. I can tell you that I would never have set eyes on him again. How is it that I could love my dog more than they loved Caylee? I'm not crying into tissues, I have a roll of Bounty paper towels to absorb all my tears and Cindy goes on TV with the same "eyepoke" the Liar used to try to shed a tear. :shrug:

Gator

[deacon]

You know, I just don't get George and Cindy. I have a hole in my heart right now that only time will heal. I cry every hour. I couldn't eat last night and almost forgot to take my meds. How in Heaven's name did they go out to eat the night that Caylee's bones were found? How can they forgive and stand by her murderer. If one of my brother's had killed Gator, they would have to lock me up to keep from beating him to a pulp or worse. I can tell you that I would never have set eyes on him again. How is it that I could love my dog more than they loved Caylee? I'm not crying into tissues, I have a roll of Bounty paper towels to absorb all my tears and Cindy goes on TV with the same "eyepoke" the Liar used to try to shed a tear. :shrug:

Gator

Because you are a caring human. Need I say anymore?:rose: