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lorettalockhorn

04-30-2009, 10:33 PM

Not to be a smarty but the moment they said she was knocked out for five hours, I knew it was BS. It is impossible medically to sustain a blow to the head that knocks you out that long and not have severe, almost irreversible brain damage. Her brain would be mush, she would be on life support. What an absurd story. See Paula Sims case! The police must have known that was wrong right away.

For sure the five hours of being unconscious was/is bull****. When this story first hit my daily paper, about the only information was that she had head injuries (not anything about how long she was out or that she was partially nude) and that she had been dumped in a different location from where the "abduction" occurred. That her head injuries were on the back of her head made her story at the time sound plausible. Of course that was a month ago, before Emma was discovered, before the confession, etc.

Amy

05-01-2009, 07:40 AM

LOL!!! Okay, I was hard on the soccer mom. I just don't get the make up routine while a child of hers is missing. Like how do you get all that on your face if tears are brewing? I'm terrible! :punch: me. I should go to the hairdresser today myself. As for her sexy straps, feh, to each his own. Even when I had a good body, I dressed from neck to ankles.

I remember being 15 and the Daisey Mae cut off jeans were in style (very short) My father saw me in them, told me to go upstairs, take them off, put on something proper and bring them to him. I watched him walk to the burn barrel and throw them in. I'm permanently damaged from that incident. LOL!

Forgive me for judging.. Mea culpa.... :o

That's another thing--I don't wear makeup to get all messed up, lol!!! Especially eye make up--nasty stuff!!! It flakes or smears and then you have to use gunk that stings the eyes to get it off to go to bed so you can get up in the morning and start all over!!!!

There were a few times in my younger years that I had to return to the bedroom and not come out until I was properly dressed. Since all my clothes were either purchased or made by my mom, I didn't really have much in the way of inappropriate attire. The little bit of money we made by babysitting went for make up, if we could purchase it without mom seeing us.

Daddy would even send one of my sisters to clean that stuff off her eyebrows. We were all pretty blondish then, unfortunately, she had naturally dark brows and he was sure she was wearing makeup!!!

Amy

05-01-2009, 09:43 AM

I remember back in the 70's, maybe it was the 80's there were some high school girls who operated the switchboard @ the hospital. It was in the front office which was where everyone came in (they were also the receptionists.) There were a few who tho't nothing of wearing see-thru blouses, if you can imagine. The Sister who was the CEO @ the time nipped that in the bud right away. What WERE they thinking? She had to walk right past them to get to her office.

Just a week or so ago, an aide came to work with some kind of top on--and her belly button was showing!!! Her britches were almost like sweats. I usually don't say a lot about how the younger girls dress, they wear scrubs and they are usually decent. But I just had to tell the supervisor I was appalled and offended. Some of the others laughed, said, hadn't I seen her dressed that way before. She had been called in on short notice, but there are hospital issue scrubs she could have put on--in fact, that is all I have ever seen her wear. She scrubs in for C/sections, and had to wear hospital scrubs. So it's not like there wasn't anything appropriate for her to wear even if she didn't have clean scrubs from home. Oh, and she isn't one of the skinny minny types, with a flat stomach. She's a tad bit flabby (nothing like me, of course ;) but there is that bit of a tummy.

Amy

05-01-2009, 09:47 AM

I want to keep reading all day but I have errands today. Have to hit the market, hang the summer curtains, prepare dinner, go pick up some weebles from preschool and see the twinnies @ 5:00 to see them all dressed up pretty for their father daughter dance. :)

Thank you God for my life! :rose:

Me, too. Gotta get a car to the glass place to replace the windshield. Had a bit of hail damage the other night (we were even on national tv with Lou Dobbs last night!!!)

Then, gotta run a letter from the IRS by H&R Block. Some carp about my '07 returns and they think I owe them $1000+!!! It's probably some prank letter, but I'll let the good folk who prepared my return figure that out.

Then, better get some sleep so I can go in to work tonight. Hopefully I will be called off, but probably not.

shadydaisy

05-01-2009, 09:51 AM

So I'm just randomly replying.

When my son was little he had to wear the boxiest, heaviest orthopedic shoes. One day, when he was 2 and I had a newborn, we were getting ready to take the baby for her 2 week checkup. I put him on the kitchen counter to put his shoes on. They weren't easy to get on. Anyway, with the foot that was already shoe'd, he kicked me right between the eyes, with all of his 40 pounds. I was knocked out flat on the kitchen floor, son on the counter, baby in her car seat on the floor. I was out for 15 minutes, which I knew exactly because I knew what time we were leaving. 5 hours seems a bit much. BTW - kids were fine. Son took the sprayer from the sink and amused himself by spaying the entire kitchen with water. Baby girl was fine, but wet. I had a broken bone between my eyes and had 2 black eyes by evening.

I inherited the blond hair/dark eyebrows from my mother. My daughter has it too, and it drives DD nuts! People do comment. I dyed mine during a vain stage in college and that was worse. Dark hairs popping up in your eyebrows.

Gatordog

05-01-2009, 11:44 AM

shadydaisy

05-01-2009, 01:53 PM

Amy

05-01-2009, 02:55 PM

What a F-ing idiot. Maybe he intended to shoot the wife and the dog was an accident. Some people are just too stupid to live.

Gator

Deputies: Radio Personality Shot Dog
Shannon Burke's Wife, Dog Injured In Shooting

POSTED: Friday, May 1, 2009
UPDATED: 11:22 am EDT May 1, 2009

A local radio personality has been arrested after police said he shot his dog.

Shannon Burke, of The Shannon Burke Show on 104.1 WTKS, was arrested Thursday night and charged with aggravated battery with a weapon and animal cruelty.

According to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office, Burke became angry with his dog and took out a handgun and threatened to shoot the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.

Deputies said the handgun discharged, but did not specify if the shooting was intentional. The bullet went through the dog's leg and hit Burke's wife, Catherine Burke, in the head.

Shannon Burke was booked into the Seminole County jail and his wife was taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center with non-life threatening injuries. The dog was also treated for its injuries.

Someone intelligent enough to carry a radio show (well, I guess not all show host, radio or tv are necessarily smart) would surely be intelligent enough that, if you get the gun out, threatening, even that the gun is likely to go off. You don't want an accidental shooting to take place? How's about--DON'T GET THE DAMN GUN OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! :flamemad:

A Cavelier King Charles Spaniel sounds like a KFC (or is that FKC, or CKF????) dog, an expensive probably pure bred kind of dog. He pays big bucks for a dog he threatens to shoot if he gets mad? (Wanna bet whether this is the first time or not?) It really doesn't matter whether it was a mutt or pure breed or whatever, no animal deserves to be threatened, let alone shot. Did he really think the dog understands about the gun? "Gee, I better not bark so loud, or better come when he calls, or don't ask to go out if he's in a mood, (take your pick or insert your own.) He's got a gun and that means I better do as he says!!!"

If I was wife, (if I decided it was safe to return, today the dog, tomorrow, what if the wife po's him?) I'd for sure demand the guns be locked up and HER have the key!!!!

One2Snoop

05-01-2009, 04:45 PM

Think your kid is going text crazy like Casey? Watch this!

Girl sends 14,528 texts in one month:eek:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/01/13/pn.most.outrageous.texts.cnn

If that was my kid, I'd find her a new life....and a job to keep her busy!

LOL and I thought mine was bad - she had just a little over 8,000 in one month and those were in the days before unlimited texting came out. It took her 3 months worth of allowance to pay it off.

samanthajane13

05-02-2009, 12:34 PM

I know this was probably discussed ad nauseum, but I was wondering iof there was any statement from the A's or their attorneys regarding the Law & Order:SVU episode the other night.

Haven't been able to be on the 'puter to do a search about it or read much on these boards...so PLEASE don't beat me if I missed it.

One2Snoop

05-02-2009, 01:59 PM

Gatordog

05-02-2009, 11:06 PM

A Touching Home Depot Story

Charlie was fixing a door and found that he needed a new hinge, so he sent his wife Mary to Home Depot.

At Home Depot, Mary saw a beautiful bathroom faucet while she was waiting for Walt, (the manager) to finish waiting on a customer.

When Walt was finished, Mary asked.. 'How much for that faucet?' Walt replied, 'That's pewter and it costs $300.'

My goodness that sure is a lot Mary exclaimed.

Then she proceeded to describe the hinge that Charlie had sent her to buy, and Walt went to the back room to find it.

From the back room Walt yelled, 'Mary, you wanna screw for that hinge?'
Mary replied, 'No, but I will for the faucet.'

This is why you can't send a woman to Home Depot

:biggrin:

Gatordog

05-03-2009, 10:15 PM

Hope everyone is having a great weekend. One week ago at this time I was watching Masterpiece Theater on TV in Orlando Florida.. :( Today was so cold and damp in lil Rhodey, I was ready to walk back there!)

I't late and I'm ready for a sandwich and a little nip of Baileys.. anyone wanna join nawny in some hagnog?

Here's to Orlando Florida! If we can get the A's back to Ohio, it will be less contaminated and more beautiful! :beer: Aftter all, it's Mickey's home and we should call him to see if he can do some magic eh?

:beer::beer:

Florida misses you too Nawny. I am definitely in the mood for a hagnog.

lighthousedazy

05-04-2009, 02:14 AM

http://www.idemc.org/

Keeping a track on the swine flu. Just remember to wash your hands and try to stay out of crowds if possible and do what your mama told you. :biggrin: Work a holics, if you don't feel good, stay at home. :no:

Amy

05-05-2009, 10:07 AM

I'm waking up with this 3rd cuppa cawffee. Its still wet out and very cold... I can't even open the window, my heat is on 70 and I'm thinking the gods are confused. They think its early winter here in NE. My cherry tree is blossoming all pink but it's crying right now. I do love Rhode Island but I don't understand it anymore. Isn't it May? Or am I delusional? I was in a swimming pool getting relief from the heat last week.

How's Mickey Gator? Whaaahhh!!:cuss:

It's been cool and wet here, too. I think it was early last week and the week or so before that we were in the 70's and 80's. Late last week, we had a terrific storm. The tornado was 3 miles south, did a lot of wind damage over in town and down south a bit. The hail was something else--fog, too. Couldn't tell sometimes if the visibility was poor because of the fog or the rain. Had to replace the windshield on the car but it had also been damaged from last year. The hood of the SUV is no longer pristine, lol.

Anyway, ever since, it's been pretty cool. I guess the kids turn the heat off during the evening, when I get home in the am I sleep a bit and wake up FREEZING!!! So, the heat goes on again for most of the day. Of course, the temps jumping back and forth, everyone gets their nice little spring cold. Mine settled into bronchitis. One of the Peds wrote me a Zithromax script, around Easter. She tho't I should have been short of breath, said I wasn't even moving air!!!

Oh, well, we are getting moisture the farmers are wanting so bad. And, I don't have to worry about watering the lawn. DD's bf had mowed the morning before the storm. The leaves of the willow tree covered the front lawn, looked like we had a nice stand of grass, lol. But, now they and the branches need picked up. The poor old tree is pretty stark.

Amy

05-05-2009, 10:12 AM

LOL!! But I don't think we'd touch her with a "39 foot pole!" She's a scary thing. Look at Jose, he's lost a lot of weight. Notice? Cindy on the other hand.... how about stringing her up on the tallest tree?

Can you even imagine this trial? If they put the A's on the stand it's going to be their consequence for life! If they don't, they will still have to listen to the testimony of people like their neighbors and some of the liar's social acquaintances. Then they will have to say all of them are liars. I'd opt out of sitting on the defense side if I were them because they are going to hear things about themselves that they don't want to hear. I think Cindy's head is already being put on the rack. the liar is going to amputate her soul. What other defense is there Beemer, than to blame Cindy?

I'm thinking, unless Cindy is sedated rather heavily, there will be fireworks in the court room. I'm betting that George and Cindy will be ousted from the courtroom early on, cuz I don't think Cindy, @ least will listen to much of that sitting down quietly. She'd probably be hollering "OBJECTION" more than Jose. George is a powder keg, from what I see in his Zanny depo. Wonder if the judge will allow cameras in the court room? This will be one trial to see, that is for sure!!!! Even if the A's are booted.

shadydaisy

05-05-2009, 03:44 PM

Poor Amy :(
It stopped raining but its still very cold. My weebles are complaining. One of them is sitting on the window sill whining about the cold day. I can't wait for spring. I hope it comes before June 21. ;)

I feel like the weeble on the window sill. I'm in my office, at the computer, staring out the window hoping for sun! It stopped raining but it is cold. At lunch I went to the nursery next door just to see the flowers. Still too cold for me to put any annuals out.

Gatordog

05-05-2009, 07:56 PM

Amy

05-06-2009, 03:47 PM

We had a perfect day yesterday-bout 85 in the sun. I got all my stuff done early and spent bout 5 hrs on my deck reading-popped in here periodically when i needed to cool off. Today is about 72 and cloudy-perfect for my golf day here in a bit. Yeah h+h inside-I'd be miserable. I remember my first peri menopausal summer-had the AC set bout 66-everyone froze-me i was good-till we got a 600.00 hydro bill. DH suggested i set it at the usual 70 and buy a fan. Park it and myself over one of the floor vents. It worked LOL :)

I rarely run the AC. The last time I ran it much, the bill was usually $200+ which was more than I could afford. I used to only turn it on if I knew the folks were going to be here. Then, one year, there was a little one here, so I turned it on more than usual. Otherwise, I told the kids (there were 3 here @ one time) I would only run the AC if they chipped in to pay for it. There are FOUR here now, and they will have to pay more than they do now to run it. Me, I have my Vornado fan. This one is smaller than the others. I COULD turn the AC on barely and set it over a vent. But I have it on a stand where it blows on me as I sit @ the computer and move it to blow on me as I sleep. It is an air mover, and don't really need the AC. I'm fine--the kids can figure out something for themselves (the youngest is 18, so it's not like child abuse, lol.) The boys live in the basement, and so the heat isn't going to be much of a problem for them.

I can set up a couple of fans to do housework, or even turn the AC on if I'm really industrious.

shadydaisy

05-07-2009, 10:38 AM

Every year one of the sale's reps gives me a gift of wine of the month from CA. Some of them are good, some ok, and some really suck. So, I do have leftover wine but it's so bad I wouldn't use it for anything.

Danagher - watch those ticks! DD and I have both had Lyme's. She was only 14 months old and was really sick. She didn't even walk on the grass yet - she had a quirk about it. DH and DS, who both are outside in the woods all the time, have never had it. Several of our dogs have had it. Then I had it. I've had several flair ups since my initial diagnosis. Fortunately I now recognize the symptoms and get on antibiotics quickly.

Amy

05-07-2009, 04:09 PM

You had better fess up and tell me how you get the fans to do housework...I can't even get my kids to help sometimes, never mind a fan!!! http://i43.tinypic.com/b6x4eu.gif They won't have to turn on the AC though....:D

DH and I have been arguing for years over central air. I don't want to use it, no matter how hot it gets, cause I'll never leave the house! The way my windows are, front and back throughout the whole house, I have a beautiful cross breeze ~ I can smell the fresh cut grass, my lilacs, my peonys...I love it. He's so used to AC at work that he can hardly deal with fresh air. I told him I can find better ways to waste the $ it would cost all summer long to run the AC....he says "I bet you can"....:rolleyes:

I live for the summer! It's been cloudy and dreary and drizzly for the past 2 days...the sun just came out about an hour ago, and it's lovely!

Couldn't help pulling your chain, Amy!! :beer:

LOL!!!! That's an idea, tho. Turn those fans up high enough to blow the dust off of everything. Guess I'd have to do anything else, tho!!!

I also prefer real air. I do need to get some screens put back up on the west side of the house so I can open those windows to get the breeze, tho. Except, some of our "lovely" summer days, it's hot w/no breeze.

shadydaisy

05-08-2009, 09:49 AM

That is the most god awful disease! I've seen so much suffering with it because my daughter got it last year. They did every test possible to find out why she was so very ill, until they found a positive result for Lyme's. We have a lot of deer around us and I literally spray the weebles shoes every time they play outside. I'm terrified of it. It does flair back up and I know a woman who ended up on a shunt IV porta drip. She was so sick all the time. I suppose there are different strains of it, or is that because she went undiagnosed for so long? I hope you're feeling better now, though I know it's always on its edge. Stay strong SD.
I've been lucky.

I hope your daughter is feeling ok and has no lingering symptoms. I had the iv antibiotics because I went undiagnosed for a long time. I didn't have the bulls-eye rash. What I had were flat headaches, elbows and neck hurt. Just general blah. Because I had a weakened immune system I ended up having strep throat about 5 times and then I got the chicken pox. Let me tell you - the chicken pox at 40 is more than uncomfortable. I had a 104 fever for a week. About 5 months later I went back to the doctor and told him I just wasn't well. After a battery of tests for Lupus and other stuff, it came back I had Lyme's. After a month of iv's I couldn't believe how much better I felt.

And how are you today? Feeling better?

shadydaisy

05-08-2009, 02:33 PM

In addition to spraying your yard shoes, when you come in you should take a shower and use one of those poofy things all over. I was told that they are just abrasive enough to remove the tiny deer ticks that may be on your skin before they bite and infect you. You know what poofy thing I mean, right? $1 at WalMart - we each have one and are religious about using them.

I clean my bathroom while naked.

samanthajane13

05-08-2009, 09:57 PM

Beemer...

That's WAY MORE than I need to know about you, sweetie!!!

LOL!!!

Hi, neighbor!!!!

You're in Ontario, right??? Which part???

samanthajane13

05-09-2009, 09:37 AM

"Puter was acting up for the past 2 days, and today I was busy at work ~ just got to see the Nawny's sick post and your topless Canadians, beem, had me laughing, I'm picturing a family walking down the street coming upon a lovely lady out for a smoke..Jeez, do you cover their eyes first or their ears??!! LOL (Don't Look, Johnny!) Tee Hee!"

Hey-I'm innocent here. I'm just a well-covered Buffalonian giving a shout-out to my nudist Canadian neighbor across the Great Lakes.

"My friend in Florida says they call them Tittie Bars in NY, what I call them I can't write It would be interesting to know what other states call topless bars...................Well, Girls?"

Over here in Buffalo, when the guys hopped the Peace Bridge to watch strippers over in Fort Erie and Toronto, we referred to it a going to see the "Canadian Ballet".

(Sorry to my Canadian neighbors-I DID NOT coin this phrase.)

Many years ago, we had a large and thriving red-light district in Buffalo, on Chippewa Street, too.

Most of the time, the guys just said they were going bowling...or is that balling???

deacon

05-09-2009, 10:18 AM

to all you mothers out there!

Gatordog

05-09-2009, 06:30 PM

LOL! Arrrggh LAUNDRY! I'm going to abolish it some day! Been doing laundry since I was around 10. It's oh so not fair! I want servants!

My plans are always the same for mother's day. Breakfast at Nawnys. Then they go off and honor their own mother in law's in the afternoon. That works for me. Poppa takes me out in the afternoon. This year I will be flower hunting at the garden shops. I hope the tomato plants are out. The impatiens are behind this year, because its been so cold.

There is a great big flower place right on my street. An old polish man grows his wares in several green houses and I love to go there and buy those hanging baskets. I love the hanging petunias and the impatiens. He does such a great job with them. When you go buy his shop you see its like a magnificent splash of glorious colors. Nice. I love mother's day! :)

Hey Nawny, if you join a nudist colony, you won't have to worry about laundry. :tongue:

Gator

One2Snoop

05-09-2009, 08:41 PM

A funny for all mom's.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QitzqXZq6w

Native Alien

05-10-2009, 05:17 AM

Happy Mother's Day to all the moms here.

A little something that one of my daughters sent me this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhcA4Ry65FU

Amy

05-11-2009, 05:58 PM

Haaaa!!! Hey Beemer's in her comedian mood!!! LOL!! :tongue:

Yes I had the surgical mono and at 40 I thought life as I knew it was over,, and it was!!! On the porch in the middle of the night in my nightgown helping the snow melt, yep, yep... Poppa took me to an endocrinologist who was in his late 60's, and he told us that it was psychological. I almost hit him in the head with my pocketbook! The thing that saved me was the Hormone patch! Excellent. I still wear it!
Paranoid, ya know?

Get one today!

I went into natural menopause soon after I turned 40 (can't remember the year, lol.) I took premarin, when I remembered to take them. I didn't really have any more problems--I can't remember a time I haven't had night sweats--even as a kid.

Then, I had a hysterectomy and insisted he remove my ovaries, which I tho't, after 4 or so years into menopause weren't functioning anyway. WRONG!!! I did have maybe a year of increased problems, but I only took hormones maybe a year or so, and haven't taken anything for a long time now.

I still have the blanket on, blanket off issues, but no sweating that keeps me awake. In fact, the only time I have sweating issues out of the ordinary (it's hot, or I'm working up a sweat) is when my blood sugar goes hay wire.

mu8shark

05-12-2009, 10:46 PM

lighthousedazy

05-13-2009, 01:17 AM

About that other story on NG where the husband went to work out at 5:45 am and he kept calling his home and he could not get a hold of his wife, so he called police at 6:50 am to have them go do a well being check. I agree with the detective on NG, something smells about that story. Besides being just five minutes from home, who would panic in that short of time? I mean, I assume their children went to school, so maybe she took them to McDonalds for breakfast or one of them got sick and she took them somewhere or maybe she went to the store for milk, i mean would you really call in that short time span to get the police to your house?? It might be out of the ordinary for her not to be there and answer the phone, but it sounds like he gave it only an hour before he led the police there and they had to get a search warrant to get his fingerprints??? If he has nothing to do with it, why not immediately volunteer that. Something smells, call it hinky or too many years of reading true crime books but......
Very, very hinky. He seems like an idiot. One does not usually call for a welfare check for at least several hours or a day or two after trying to get in touch with a person. imo, I believe he has something to do with this, although I will never understand it. imo, if it were revenge or organized crime murder, I don't think it would have happened at that hour. jmo He went to the gym and tried to use the welfare check call as an alibi.

shadydaisy

05-13-2009, 04:07 PM

Let me know how that Windex window cleaner works, please. I'm tired of doing the ladder thing. I can remove the screens from the inside and clean them but I hate doing the outside. I have white trim and that needs cleaning, too! Ug. I'd rather just hang out in the garden and weed/pinch/whatever.

shadydaisy

05-14-2009, 09:42 AM

LOL! It worked great and I didn't have to take the screens off and wash them. I sprayed right thru the screens and the windows look great! YAY! I did a cheat and got away with it! THe WIndex has a wash, rinse dial. It's powerful chit! :D

I stopped this am, on the way to work, and picked some up. I'm going to use it this weekend if weather permits. I'll be doing the dance of joy if it works on my trim, too! I hate scrubbing the trim.

shadydaisy

05-14-2009, 11:03 AM

Oh Danagher, if you like to play with water, go get an electric power washer. I love that thing. I clean the sidewalk, lawn furniture, my brick house, garbage cans, etc. I just keep going and going. I'm going to spray the window trim first, to loosen the dirt up, and then use the windex thing to finish cleaning and get a shine (hopefully).

mu8shark

05-14-2009, 11:59 PM

I saw some posts on here the other day or on the main board about hockey. I used to be a hockey fan but really have not watched hockey in a few years. My favorite player was Teemu Selanne a Ducks player and that is how I got my handle mu8shark. The mu was for Teemu the 8 was his number and for a year or so he was a Sharks player. I was the owner of CentralPuck, a large yahoo group that is a hockey site. I can't find the posts of the hockey fans but if one of you sees this, Is Teemu still playing for the Ducks?

mu8shark

05-15-2009, 12:25 AM

Hi there hockey fan-Teemu played his last game tonight-retired. Ducks lost to the Detroit Red Wings. Sorry to say. I wondered how u got that name-I thought maybe your Mom ate some shark LOL Thought maybe it was one of those family joke thingies. Lord was i way off. I am a Toronto fan and lords knows i have questioned why the last few years. Canadian's are raised with hockey. Both our boy's played travel and it was a great experience for the most part. Till they get a bit older and then the politics start. We always just tried to stay out of it. Great sport :seeya: My other favorite player was Martin Brodeur and thus my dog got the name Brody. LOL. Not such a Devils fan anymore.

mu8shark

05-15-2009, 12:42 AM

I'm not far from Gretsky's hometown. That was quite an era. Well I'm off nite Beem!:seeya:

samanthajane13

05-15-2009, 01:04 PM

I haven't seen Sara around either.

ANYPLACE on the boards.

I hope everything is okay with her and her family.

COME BACK, SARA!!!

:rose:

Mojo

05-15-2009, 01:38 PM

Hey guys,

Have you been keeping up with the Sheri Coleman case? NG has been discussing it every night. The poor mother and her two boys that were strangled. I've looked but don't see a thread on here about it?

Mojo

05-15-2009, 02:39 PM

I caught it last night Mojo-the church guy with the side dish in Florida right? Sheri and those kids were so beautiful. Gawd methodically going from room to room strangling each one. I did catch that LE says they know who did it so i guess we should expect something soon? Do you know how to start a thread?

No, Beem I sure don't. I hadn't heard about it until I saw it on NG. It just makes me sick. Then there is the creepy writing on the wall? They have not said too much about the side piece in Florida. They went and talked to her. I wonder if she made the trip up there and she did it. Or maybe he did it and staged it to look like his girlfriend did it. I guess I just cannot wrap my mind around someone strangling their own children.

Mojo

05-15-2009, 03:55 PM

Good phone call-eldest will be home from U.S. for the summer by early morning YEAH!!!! We have been expecting him sometime this weekend. Wrapped up exams and fishing trip. I'm so excited!!!!!! Perfect timing for our planned bbq tomorrow. Hope he got some rest as he starts summer job Tuesday. :beer:

yeah! Congrats Beam! Have a great weekend and bbq! Have a few brewskies for me. I'll be packing. I hate moving!! :beer:

Amy

05-18-2009, 08:21 AM

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

samanthajane13

05-18-2009, 11:24 AM

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/samanthajane13/stuff/roflmaopmimp1.gif

samanthajane13

05-18-2009, 12:08 PM

Nope-no hubby here, Danagher.

We divorced many moons ago.

I'm WAITING for him to retire. We were legally married for 11 years, so I'm entitled to SS from the jerk. It won't be much, because he's been in and out of work for years, but every little bit helps.

I figure that he didn't support us while we were married or afterward, so he can do it when he stops working.

He was such a jerk that when I told him I filed for divorce, he deliberately punched his boss in the face the next day and got fired so he could say he wasn't working and couldn't pay alimony. And of course, because he was on unemployment, he only paid the bare minimum for child support for my oldest daughter.

I pick real winners, huh??

samanthajane13

05-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Yeah-I hear ya.

I was told that all I need to do is wait until I know he retired, go to the SSA with my marriage and divorce certs, and I'm good to go.

Same thing happened to my mom's friend, but her hubby died, and the SSA guy told her she wasn't married long enough. Then another told her they had to be married for 10years, and she got the retirement benefits.

I spent all those years as a housewife because my oldest was emotionally and learning disabled, and had to be on-call for the school, etc, plus hubby didn't WANT me working. Would have made him look like a slacker.

By the time my daughter was on her own, I still had Katey to care for, but by then, I was on SSI.

So for all these years, since I married him at 18, we've been living hand to mouth, day to day.

It's worth a shot anyway.

:shrug:

samanthajane13

05-18-2009, 01:34 PM

Damn right, Danagher!

After we divorced, he went on to remarry, and had 2 more kids. He's 56, with 2 kids under 12 years old.

And are THOSE kids SCREWED UP!!! My oldest doesn't want anything to do with either of them!!!

The oldest has some kind of eating disorder...won't eat anything but peeled hot dogs and mac and cheese...and she steals from the collection plate at church, and stole gifts from under the Christmas tree set up to collect gifts for the needy.

The little one, I have no idea...other than Jenny saying she's trouble, too.

They live in my deceased ex-beotch-in-law's tiny 4 room apartment.

They actually BOUGHT this whole house from my ex-sister-in-law, and there's an even tinier apartment upstairs where my oldest will be moving to.

She's going through a divorce.

The 2 bedrooms are like closets. I think the smallest is like 6 by 10, and the larger is 8 by 10.

How they can pen up 4 people in a place that small is beyond me.

I'm glad I jumped ship when I did!!!

samanthajane13

05-18-2009, 04:37 PM

"Blow kisses to the new wife for taking over the ship. Say thank you too!"

HELL-NO!!! She calls me and my daughters every disgusting name in the book, and thinks she's so SUPERIOR!! The only time she and my ex contact Jenny is when they want her to baby-sit for the demon-spawn kids.

And when Jen moves upstairs, she said she's changing the locks so the girls don't rob her blind.

"I've long since felt anything negative toward my ex. He's not so bad, just bad husband material. We have kids together, so there is a bounty of some kind of respect for each other. It was feigned at first for the kids sake, but life turns corners..."

He didn't do his fatherly duties, either. When she had learning or medical problems as a child and teen-ager, he threw up road-blocks every step of the way.

"I'm comfortable around him now. He's been to our home for celebrations, wedding, holidays. He was with a woman for 17 years, and I've also embraced her. That wasn't always true. Trust me! Sometimes you have to fake it till ya make it."

Yeah-and it'll be a cold day in Hell when I embrace either of them...

"Anyway, I got poppa and he's a great man. No regrets."

Does Poppa have any single brothers??? Must love animals...ALL KINDS!!! LOL!!!

"I hope all the past hurt goes away for you too Sam. Divorce is hell, but it gets easier. Honest!"

It isn't so much hurt as anger for what I gave up and what was stolen from me.

Now-at 49-I'm just resigned to being alone.

DrewBerry

05-18-2009, 09:21 PM

Hi Nawny and SJ,
Yes, I believe NG was 48 when she married and had the twins at 49.
I've been married twice. Divorced twice. Each marriage lasted 8 yrs. I have raised my 2 boys alone. It was very rough. Been single now for 10 years. I truly don't think I'm good at choosing decent partners. Both were abusive alcoholics. I was young and stupid. I have given up hope thinking that I will ever meet anyone decent and have accepted the fact that I will most likely be alone until I die. That's OK. I have wonderful friends. Many are miserable in their marriages. Some are happy and I admit, sometimes I envy them. I fill my life with work, my boys and their friends, my good girlfriends, and it is good.
Lost my job in February. My father died in March and I moved in to my mother's home to take care of her. If I didn't have the support of my good friends, I would be lost.
I'll be 55 in July and have accepted the fact that I'd rather live alone than be in another abusive relationship.
Nawny, you're right. You have to have a dream for a dream to come true. I just haven't had a dream for awhile.
DrewB

DrewBerry

05-18-2009, 10:01 PM

Sometimes the pot holes in life are devastating but we don't' stay down for long. I'm glad you have a great lot of friends. I remember being UN-happily married and "envying" my divorced friends. lol!

If you need a dream, call me. I got a million of um! I'll let you have some of mine. :)

Would you be interested in playing the piano at Carnage Hall and having all the rich good looking men throw their apartment keys on stage?

How about a paid off house on the water overlooking the Bay of Sicily and no phone, just one hunk of a man who has endless resources and a major crush on you?
AND:
When you wake up in the morning, you take a shower, get dressed in some gauzy outfit, go to the kitchen table with a view of the Mediterranean and your coffee is there waiting. You stare out into the azzurra water, muse for a while feeling completely happy. Then you and your beautiful little dog go for a walk on the shore. You find a bench, sit and read the morning newspaper basking in the gentle morning sun and aromatic soft wind touches your hair like feathers, while your dog scampers, chasing seagulls, and the headline says,

CASEY ANTHONY'S FINGER PRINTS FOUND ON THE DUCT TAPE

:hat:

Beautiful! Especially, the last line!
Love your posts, Nawny. You make me smile.:)
DrewB

DrewBerry

05-18-2009, 11:12 PM

Laughter is my favorite pasttime! I have found lots of quickwitted people here on the boards. I laugh outloud alot while reading the posts. My mother thinks I'm losing my mind because I laugh alone at my computer! It is great therapy.
My boys make me laugh when I hear them laughing together. They're young men now but they still sound like boys---I love it. My oldest says "laughter is an instant vacation." He's right.
DrewB

samanthajane13

05-20-2009, 04:33 PM

:rose:RIP, Tori:rose:

lighthousedazy

05-21-2009, 11:29 PM

Poor child.. do you know anymore beem? Did they identify the remains as her? The family knew the killers?

Have fun in heaven Tori :rose: RIPSo sad. Poor baby. :rose:

DrewBerry

05-21-2009, 11:46 PM

I have a stupid question, but my OCD will not let it rest. I have tried to ignore it for weeks, but here it is:

The most number of people ever on the board was 12/20/08, and it was like 5,000 people. What was happening that day that hordes visited?

(I saw the number on the bottom of the board index page.)

Hey, Java! I saw that too. I haven't gone back to read, but my guess would be that it something to do with CA. :confused:Have you seen the number of posts on that thread? Amazing.
DrewB

samanthajane13

05-22-2009, 01:59 AM

"On behalf of Ontarions thanks sam. It is truly a sickening case and i am so frustrated with LE and the system. How many will it take for us to get up to speed. Presently-spitting nails"

I hear you, Sweetie!!

SOMETHING has to be done about child killers on BOTH side of the border.

And since these idiots don't have the ability to leave them alone, we ALL grieve when one of these beautiful little lives are lost!

They have become OUR CHILDREN in our hearts.

:rose:

Amy

05-22-2009, 02:15 PM

I have a stupid question, but my OCD will not let it rest. I have tried to ignore it for weeks, but here it is:

The most number of people ever on the board was 12/20/08, and it was like 5,000 people. What was happening that day that hordes visited?

(I saw the number on the bottom of the board index page.)

I'm betting it has something to do w/Caylee Anthony. Perhaps the day of the pc where Dr G announced the id of the remains from Suburban Drive?

DrewBerry

05-22-2009, 04:25 PM

I found some info...they went back to their house with a new search warrant and CSI people.......

12/20/08 ~ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg2

20 - LE executes search warrant at Anthonys' home and seizes evidence. As CA reads the warrant and states that one of Caylee's Winnie the Pooh blankes is missing. She also informs the detectives she had some one "walk the area" (where the remains were found) "a month ago" and they found nothing (this would coincide with the video'd search by DC and JH in November. Note that this conflicts with DC's interview in which he claims he was independently going to the area to search). Important points on request for search warrant: LE states they will be looking for: "trace evidence to include arts and crafts material, stickers, scrap booking material, all shoes belonging to Casey Anthony, the original clothing George Anthony last saw Caylee Anthony wearing on June 16th (pink colored top, blue jean skirt or skort, white shoes, small child's backpack with monkey design and white rimmed sunglasses), and doll clothing that would fit the doll recovered from Casey's vehicle on July 15th, small plastic toy horses similar to one found at the crime scene, and a black or brown backpack/shoulder bag similar to the one George Anthony saw Casey Anthony with on June 16th...also they request "authority to observe and note any prescriptions". The request states "While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape. The sheet from which this sticker came from was not recovered on scene."
~~~
They found Caylee on the 11th..........didn't they verify it was her around the 20th?

I have to keep looking.......

You are right on, OS. It makes sense. Thanks for keeping us updated with your search. :seeya:
DrewB

Gatordog

05-22-2009, 07:32 PM

I have a stupid question, but my OCD will not let it rest. I have tried to ignore it for weeks, but here it is:

The most number of people ever on the board was 12/20/08, and it was like 5,000 people. What was happening that day that hordes visited?

(I saw the number on the bottom of the board index page.)

Caylee's body was found 12/11. Could 12/20 be the day the ME confirmed the ID as Caylee?

Gatordog

05-23-2009, 05:56 PM

Hey, you guys in Florida, (or if you know of/have family there).

Florida Powerball is up to $192,000 Million, folks...

Play!!!!

.....miracles do happen ;)http://i44.tinypic.com/20ae7p3.gif

Good Luck!! :)

Just before I saw this I was thinking of a woman that I saw who was in her late 50's early 60's. She was walking with her very old dog and she was homeless. I thought to myself that if I won a lot of money I would create a homeless shelter for older men and women where they could keep their pet. In so many cases that's all they have in life, their dog and they are not permitted in shelters. I would build a shelter for animals that would permit people to stay there. :)

Gator

samanthajane13

05-23-2009, 10:43 PM

Gator!

That's such a sweet and WONDERFUL IDEA!!!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...You're a WONDERFUL PERSON!!!

samanthajane13

05-24-2009, 12:15 AM

Hi, Danagher!!

Personally, I'm a big fan of Labs and any kind of hound or spaniel when it comes to kids.

They're gentle, protective, playful, and they don't have a nasty bone in their bodies-just intimidating barks.

samanthajane13

05-24-2009, 01:04 AM

"Thanks for the heads up on the right dog for kids. My daughter had 2 labs and you're right, they are good dogs, but unfortunately when the alpha dog died, Huck the younger one...(chocolate lab) went crazy and we had 3 incidents where he was borderline dangerous. He literally jumped over my shoulders to get at the kids twice."

You know, that can happen to ANY dog.

Before Katey was born, we had two dogs: our beloved, deceased Lab/Samoyed Samantha Jane, and Natashia-a Siberian/Shepard mix.

Guess which one I get my screen name form!!! LOL!!!

Sammy was bonded more to me, and Tash was bonded to Katey's dad.

When he left us, she SNAPPED!!!

One day she nipped 2 year old Katey on the edge of her right nostril, and she has the jagged edge to this day.

We had to put Tash down, 'cause I just couldn't trust her to be alone in the same room with Katey.

She was INSANELY JEALOUS of the fact that I gave her daddy a baby and she couldn't, 'cause she was spayed. She even took a tiny kitten from one of my female cats, and tried to nurse it to show her Daddy she could be a good Momma.

But Samantha was just fine!!! She had bonded with Jen and Katey by that time, and she protected them with all she had.

So it does happen with all breeds.

It's how they grieve I think.

And it's hit-and-miss, if it's going to happen to a particular dog. There's no way to predict it. It just depends on how closely they're bonded to the pet or person who passes away.

When Sammy finally died, baby Thor laid beside her, and when she stopped breathing, he sniffed and nudged her for a few minutes, got up and walked to the back of the yard, and threw his head back and bayed like the Timber Wolf he had in him from his birth-momma.

It was the eeriest, saddest thing I ever saw!!

He, too, went on the adore and protect his Katey, just like Sammy taught him to.

Soon he had a baby sister-Athena-to train, too, so that kept him busy.

RIP-Tasha, Sammy, Thor, and Athena!!!
Wait for us at The Bridge!!!
We miss you so much...

lighthousedazy

05-24-2009, 01:51 AM

I love your idea and your heart! :) You make me want to go get another dog.. And while I'm thinking about that, what is the best dog to have with lots of children around- in your opinion?
Labs and Golden Retrievers are great dogs, but there can be a temperamental one in any breed. I have always had small dogs, but in my opinion I think the shidztsu is the most peaceful, but they do get spoiled rotten pretty quick and have to go to the groomers every couple of months. :)

samanthajane13

05-24-2009, 04:08 AM

"I know there's the whole "adopt a shelter dog" issue, and in principle I agree, but with small children, I felt it was very important to be able to meet the parent dogs and see the environment from which the dog came, and I do hold to that. So no shelter (or puppy mills! ewww!) for me while they're little"

I know what you mean, Java.

My Timmy was a puppymill dog, sent to the Eris County SPCA, where he received EXTENSIVE training and socialization.

He had NONE when he got here to Buffalo.

A small child who's very excited to have a dog is going to be VERY INTIMIDATING to a dog who's been through LIVING HELL.

The reason I got him was because Katey was 18 at the time, and had extensive training in dog behavior from a summer spent assisting in animal behavior classes with our veterinarian, and I KNEW she could handle the situation without stressing Timmy more than he'd already been.

Had she been young, I never would have taken that kind of risk.

OH-I didn't tell anyone yet!!!

Timmy-at age 6-has FINALLY LEARNED TO GIVE KISSES!!!

He's always acted REALLY intimidated by any face that got close to his, and he'd drop his head in a submissive gesture.

About 3 weeks ago, while we were still at my mom's, we'd been out all day, and when we got home, we were SPONTANEOUSLY SLURPED FROM HEAD TO TOE!!!!

Even on the FACE!!!

And he hasn't stopped!!!

I'm so proud of my beagle-boy for that big step!!!

(After all-it's ONLY been about 27 months since he came home with us...LOL!!!)

deacon

05-24-2009, 07:30 AM

I vote Lab. I got Ollie when Dboo was 6 months old, and took him me with to the ranch to meet both of the parents and see how they were with kids. Real good, obviously! So Ollie is great. I worried a bit before we brought the new baby home, but after guided introductions, she is simply another part of the pack to him and all is well. Previous dog who was with us when David came home was also a Lab, and it was just the same.

I know there's the whole "adopt a shelter dog" issue, and in principle I agree, but with small children, I felt it was very important to be able to meet the parent dogs and see the environment from which the dog came, and I do hold to that. So no shelter (or puppy mills! ewww!) for me while they're little...and I KNOW that was Obama's real reason for no shelter dog, I just wish he had said it instead of being all politically correct about it...

One of my favorites of all time was my hybrid. Part shepard, part wolf. Mom and pop were half and half. She was a little more dog. She loved children, any children. She didn't bark once that I remember but she did growl when something she didn't like was around.

Only problem with here was she was like her father with children. If a child had to be corrected she had to be put in her pen or you had to take the child inside. He father attacked his owner over his son. 120 stitches in his arm. You did not get aggressive with children when that dog was around.

I lost her during a storm (she was afraid of thunder and we were out of town) and when I found her she was in a fenced yard with 7 or 8 neighborhood children. She hit the fence like she was going to eat me alive. Then she smelled me and stopped. The guy thought I was going to want her back but I couldn't take her from the kids. She loved them and they loved her. I did warn him about the correcting the children with her around.:D

Gatordog

05-24-2009, 10:57 PM

Bad day today. I almost took out the rolling pin, I swear ta gawd! Poppa pushed a few of the wrong buttons.. :no:
I melted down an told him all the things he did in the past 16 years that made me mad. He's pouting in the den. We're not speaking and I made 2 big fat house burgers, ate them and didn't give him nuthin. I'm sleeping in the guest room tonight and I want to get very drunk (if I did drink) and tell him some of the things I forgot to mention, like:

WHAT woman in her right mind would clean this monstrosity of a fongool house at my age for a man who doesn't appreciate her, and what woman would be at your service, worship you and do all this? I want a CONDO! The hell with slave labor and the hell with picking up after you! You're a spoiled brat. I cleaned up after people my entire life! It's all about YOU! You are a clueless man! Everything i do is for YOU! What about you start thinking of someone else besides YOU because there are 2 people doing it and someone forgot about me? LIKE ME!

He turned into a little boy and said, "I didn't mean to make you feel bad".. and I bit the rest of his head off. You didn't MEAN to? I wouldn't accept that answer from one of the weebles. Of course you meant to. You are a driven pain in the ass. You mean everything you do. You didn't MEAN to get your ass kicked is all. Then he said, "what will make you happy love?" And I told him! A FOR SALE SIGN ON LAWN.

He was about to mention the state of things in our economy and I told him to stuff it. Nawny doesn't care! I didn't want this monster house to begin with. So lose money, your fault! He offered to hire help to clean the house. I laughed at him. Nobody does it like me. :beer:

Cough.. ahem... I feel better now.

MEN! Stupid, stupid, stupid MEN! I'm calling the Realtor tomorrow. That'll learn um. Nawny aint no slave and she aint no wimp!

In the mean time, the storm keeps knocking my posts out and shutting down this merciless lap top. I wrote a Pulitzer post and it went down. I'll never write another one like it. Lucky you. :hat:

I'm going to go hide and cry.

Thanks for listening friends. :(

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Oh Nawny, don't make me cry. Please don't get yourself so worked up, it's not healthy. A clean house is not the most important thing in the world. Keep looking for a cleaning lady who will do it the way you do it. Maybe there is someone out there who was once in your shoes and could use the money. Poppa is a good man, but he's a man and even though I have never been married, i know how frustrating they can be. I had a big arguement with my boss on Thursday because the people in one of his departments are always late with reports and give me wrong numbers. He made excuses and I told him that's why they don't meet their commitments, he doesn't make them. Later he came out to my desk and asked if I had any chocolate. I told him no because he said he didn't want to eat candy any more. Then he saw I had mints in my candydish and he said that would work. He said " I need to get rid of this taste in my mouth. I had something in my mouth." I replied YOUR FOOT? I won.

As to selling the house at a loss - it's all relevant. If you wait two years for prices to come up you will also pay more money for the condo than you will pay for it now. You lose nothing for trying to see what you could get for it.

Marian Paroo

05-25-2009, 01:01 AM

And that the truth! Too many people get a dog because they like the "look" but the temperament is all wrong for their lives. Forget image, people! Get the right dog.

My bro and his family didn't "choose" their dawg.

Their dawg, Nimbus, chose them.

Showed up at their doorstep one day and said something like, "Hey, I've been watching you for a while. I decided I want you for my family!"

deacon

05-25-2009, 11:04 AM

Been hittin the Links at all Deacon??? I was out yesterday with DH and another couple after work. A few kinks to work out on my game-luv that little 7 wood of mine ;)

I played the other day. I sort of played like Tiger. The distance was great, the left and right, not so much. Shot a miserable 54 on the front and then a 44 on the back. The back was a little more to my likeing. Too much swinging on the front.:D

deacon

05-25-2009, 11:10 AM

Bad day today. I almost took out the rolling pin, I swear ta gawd! Poppa pushed a few of the wrong buttons.. :no:
I melted down an told him all the things he did in the past 16 years that made me mad. He's pouting in the den. We're not speaking and I made 2 big fat house burgers, ate them and didn't give him nuthin. I'm sleeping in the guest room tonight and I want to get very drunk (if I did drink) and tell him some of the things I forgot to mention, like:

WHAT woman in her right mind would clean this monstrosity of a fongool house at my age for a man who doesn't appreciate her, and what woman would be at your service, worship you and do all this? I want a CONDO! The hell with slave labor and the hell with picking up after you! You're a spoiled brat. I cleaned up after people my entire life! It's all about YOU! You are a clueless man! Everything i do is for YOU! What about you start thinking of someone else besides YOU because there are 2 people doing it and someone forgot about me? LIKE ME!

He turned into a little boy and said, "I didn't mean to make you feel bad".. and I bit the rest of his head off. You didn't MEAN to? I wouldn't accept that answer from one of the weebles. Of course you meant to. You are a driven pain in the ass. You mean everything you do. You didn't MEAN to get your ass kicked is all. Then he said, "what will make you happy love?" And I told him! A FOR SALE SIGN ON LAWN.

He was about to mention the state of things in our economy and I told him to stuff it. Nawny doesn't care! I didn't want this monster house to begin with. So lose money, your fault! He offered to hire help to clean the house. I laughed at him. Nobody does it like me. :beer:

Cough.. ahem... I feel better now.

MEN! Stupid, stupid, stupid MEN! I'm calling the Realtor tomorrow. That'll learn um. Nawny aint no slave and she aint no wimp!

In the mean time, the storm keeps knocking my posts out and shutting down this merciless lap top. I wrote a Pulitzer post and it went down. I'll never write another one like it. Lucky you. :hat:

I'm going to go hide and cry.

Thanks for listening friends. :(

He needs to read the book "The Seven Love Languages". It helped me a whole lot. Seriously, it is a great book. It helps you understand what makes your partner feel loved. It is different for different people. Mine is words of encouragement. My wife's is acts of service. I have to remind myself of that from time to time.

Gatordog

05-25-2009, 04:51 PM

Gatordog

05-25-2009, 04:56 PM

Gator!

That's such a sweet and WONDERFUL IDEA!!!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...You're a WONDERFUL PERSON!!!

Thanks SJ, it's kind of you to say that. I keep dog bags of dog treats and bones in my car and when I see a homeless person with a dog, i give him a bag.

Gatordog

05-25-2009, 09:13 PM

Ah, some days I roll up my sleeves and dive into it thinking about how grateful I should be to live in such a place. Other days, I start taking off my PJ's on the way upstairs to get dressed for the day and use my PJ's to dust along the stairway then I drop my robe on the floor and use my foot to dust along side of the carpet runner along the hall... when I reach the bathroom, I take my shower, put on my clean robe and use my towel to go over the fixtures before I toss it into the hamper.

The many rooms upstairs don't see much of me until the weebles are here and they drop a toy along the way in or out of every room. I see the dust and I go at it. I love when the weebs are here.

They navigate this place better them I do. They slide down the stairs and giggles ripple through the whole house and I love it, but it's still too big. THey love to play a game with no name. They individually run up different stairways and the one who gets up there first scares the others.
They make a racket!

When they are not here, this place is so silent. I want them here every day. Free day care in Nawny's Fast Lane! 3 are in school full time now and the others come twice a week. Its all good. I'm all bettah now. Still house hunting.
:)

Nawny, what you need to do is next winter, rent a three bedroom condo on Cocoa Beach for January and February. You have had a very bad winter and spring wasn't much better. Next winter you need a break. The condos there are so easy to maintain. They are spacious and open plan so you don't have so many nooks and crannies. When Poppa sees how relaxed and happy you are, he will want to keep you that way. When you go back to RI he will want to be rid of that huge house so his wife can have some spare time to enjoy with him without a dust rag in her hand.

Amy

05-26-2009, 10:24 AM

We say soft drink, but I have heard soda here too. Pop is funny. I first heard it in the midwest when I made the I-80 drive. Do you "write" exams instead of take them? Write the bills, too?

When I grew up, we had "pop" or "coke"--no matter the flavor or the company, we had a "coke." Don't know when we really had COKE, tho!!!!

shadydaisy

05-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Amy

05-26-2009, 11:35 AM

The car DD drives went caput last week. She has been using my Explorer to get her BF to and from work, plus I have to get to and from work, and DS--altho his buddy carts him around some. A friend of the kids looked the car over, gave me his 2 cents' worth (don't know if he knows what he's talking about.)

So, today is the day I was to have the car @ AutoPro. I forgot we would have to tow it there. We have vehicles, but no tow rope. So, called SO (the kids' dad) and he came over a bit ago to tow. Guess who got to sit in the non-functioning car for the ride!!! That would be me!!! The hook unhooked once, thank goodness just once, tho. I had to peel my hands off the wheel to get out of the car. Thank goodness there wasn't much traffic.

The neighbor next door, "Sheriff" Bob got booted out of the family business, says he "took a 2 month vacation after his dad died" (yep, he knows how to lie, too!!!) He was complaining of boredom. I told Houston, Sheriff Bob was watching us hook up the car---I should have asked him to help take it in, give him something to do for a half-hour or so!!!!

The AutoPro guy had already identified $1000 worth of repairs needed. I told him to pick out those that actually affect the running of the car, basic running. So, early in the year, he did about $500 worth. I never got in for the second round. So, today he looked over THAT list, and said he'd look the car over and again pick out what HAD to be fixed. He mentioned struts as being a big portion of the second $500 list. I asked, how important to the car running are those struts. He said, well, it would make the ride smoother. I told him--the kids need to get to work and back, they don't need a smooth ride for that, so mark that off the list!!!

Amy

05-26-2009, 11:46 AM

DD and her bf and I made the 2 hour drive to my parents' Sunday. Mom's baby brother (67 y/o, we found out) and his wife were in from Ohio. We didn't actually get there til 6 pm, (the meal was @ 5pm) but there was still plenty of food. It was a nice visit. 4 of my sisters were there, parts of their families. We always have a good time.

From as long as I can remember, back when the grandmas were still around to have the family do's--we never, ever had knock-down drag-out fights. In fact, if anyone is on the outs w/another, very few even noticed. I read of and hear @ work all the family fights that go on whenever there is a get-together, it just boggles my mind!!!!

Well, we don't have fights, but there is plenty of gossip to go around!!! There are 6 of us girls, and we can get to going. Daddy turns off his hearing aide, and our only brother goes home. They aren't too tolerant of us when we start up. lol

The only problem was, it was late when we got there, as the bf worked until 4. And it was dark by the time the party was over, so we didn't get out to the cemeteries like I really wanted to. We go out several times a year (more often if there is a funeral or two) even when it's not Memorial Day, so I am sure I will make it there sooner or later.

Amy

05-26-2009, 12:02 PM

We lived in a really, really small town. Heck, the cemetery is probably as big as the town!!!! All but one of Daddy's siblings lived there. We would take Grandma to Aunt Lucy's and Aunt Esther's and they would pick flowers from their gardens for decoration. Had those nice wet paper towels to keep those flowers pretty!!! lol

Us kids--we made do by stopping by the road to get those pretty purple and orange and yellow "flowers" that grew right there!!! They were darn pretty flowers, but the grown ups called them WEEDS!!!! But, we sure tho't they looked as pretty as those garden flowers any time!!! We all met out there. The 2 aunts and grandma, my family, sometimes my uncle's family. We walked along w/the grownups and learned who was who, and how they died, and if the widow/widower remarried, and to who, and where THEY were buried!!!

There were 2 cemeteries to go to. We usually only got to hear the gun salute and taps @ one, tho. For quite a few years, Daddy was the caretaker @ the one cemetery. That meant us kids were, too. There were 614 evergreen trees to be trimmed by Memorial Day!!! Well, we started @ the front with the really big ones, worked down to the end of the main part, and the trees got smaller as we went along. We didn't get to the outer trees til later--that was the summer job. Had to do the push mower, or on the bigger parts- a mower blade on a small tractor--everyone vied for that job, you got to sit down!!!

We knew every single name on every single grave, I can tell ya!!!! There was a grave marked "cook" way in the far back corner, away from where most of the graves were. We always mowed a path to that, so we could take flowers to that poor lonely fellow!!! The times my next-younger sister and I are there @ the same time, we walk down there for old times' sake. Been a while, think I'll have to go see if that marker is still there this summer.

After Daddy gave up that job, people who came from out of town and out of state on Memorial Day commented that the cemetery just never looked as good any more. Daddy was a stickler for detail, get those trees trimmed, do it right!!! Mow ALL that grass around those graves!! We got a quarter for each tree trimmed (that was MANY, MANY years ago, and a quarter was a lot, lol!!) He would come along, and if you had been goofing off, and the tree wasn't done to his satisfaction--you had to go back to that tree. Didn't get another quarter for it, either!!! On a good day, we could each trim 4 of the big trees, maybe 6 if they were smaller.

Amy

05-26-2009, 12:05 PM

What is the main problem with it, Amy? Do you trust your mechanic?

Houston trusts the mechanic, and that is good enough for me!!! He used to be a mechanic, claims he can't take care of these newer cars w/all the computerized stuff. Anyway, he checks out the list. And, he isn't one to pay to the highest bidder, and he thinks this guy's prices are okay. And, the guy knows that Houston is looking over his shoulder!!!!!

Right now there is some belt that's off (doing w/the power steering) and it seems there's a leak in the oil pan or something, even the kids' friend identified that. All the other stuff-well, between the repair guy and Houston, I'll only be getting the necessary repairs done. The darn thing is a '94, no need to go overboard on it!!!

deacon

05-26-2009, 12:35 PM

I will buy that book, thanks Deacon. :) My only requirement is the word "Thank you," But in all of my life, where ever I've gone, seen, heard, read, there is only one poppa and he is the love of my life, as long as I live.

BUT BUT,,,,He was a badddd boyyyyy and nawny made him do the walk yesterday. You guys can make a blind man see, but you can't remember to put the toilet seat down!

I do not feel guilty. I do not feel guilty. I do not feel guilty.

(You guys are better than counseling.. lol!)

Oh yes I can too. Learned that one at home.

shadydaisy

05-26-2009, 03:02 PM

My Nicorette gum and Folgers coffee tastes like dirt.. ew.

I have a dr's appt Thurs to quit smoking... She has a method that she wants me to follow. Swears it works. I think it involved Wellbutrin and a nicotine patch. I didn't listen very well last year at my physical.

Amy

05-26-2009, 03:18 PM

I'm talking my coffee break here. My Nicorette gum and Folgers coffee tastes like dirt.. ew.

Weebles are done with lunch and their watermelon and are now having some quiet time with Franklin and friends. ;) You young mothers know him.

I did nothing today in this place. I just cleaned the TV screen, the glass in the hutch and noticed the reflection on the glass doors on one of the bookcases,so I cleaned them, then I did the downstairs bathroom with Pine Sol from top to bottom, and cleaned the counters in the galley kitchen with windex, and brought the laundry downstairs from the hamper in the upstairs bathroom, after I sprayed shower stall with Clorox Cleanup, wiped down the vanity, toilet and floor, then I opened the door for my weebles and we've been playing all day.

Oh yeah, I changed the bed in the guest room since it's too warm for flannel sheets, so I took them off. No one has slept on those sheets but, I freshened it up. Now this is a typical do nothing day because I haven't vacuumed or dusted any furniture, nor have I started a load of wash or cooked for poppa. When I really clean the house, that's a hard day. Poor me. Poor me. Pour me a drink! :punch: me.

Thought I'd check in while I could. I'm going to go check the liar thread.

:seeya:

Nawny, if you're looking for a different place to "do nothing" in, I've got this house in Kansas--how long will it take for you to get here? If I did a fraction of the "nothing" you did, my house would be on the list for model homes, I tell ya!!!!! Only 3 bedrooms upstairs, and one is really small. The front room and kitchen and 2 small bathrooms. Now, the basement might take more than "nothing" for it to improve much. That could be a "nothing" challenge. :chicken:

samanthajane13

05-26-2009, 06:27 PM

"I have a dr's appt Thurs to quit smoking... She has a method that she wants me to follow. Swears it works. I think it involved Wellbutrin and a nicotine patch. I didn't listen very well last year at my physical."

Shady-

You do NOt want to take Wellbutrin-aka-Zyban.

My dr. had me try it for 60 days,and I was held hostage by my toilet and dropped almost 20 pounds.

I couldn't leave the house unless I took an Imodium first, and carried more with me.

I was NEVER so sick in my life, and ended up with serious dehydration.

When I sat that morning-noon-and-night sickness seemed like a distant pleasant memory, you KNOW that I was REALLY SICK from that crap.

lighthousedazy

05-26-2009, 07:23 PM

I guess everybody is different. I had good results with chantix 2 and 1/2 years ago. Havent picked up a cig since. After smoking for 36 years I guess I had to quit. Hubby too, with his heart disease and breathing problems and I couldn't walk from the car to the kitchen with 3 plastic grocery bags without giving out of breath. My sister quit 9 years ago with the zyban and had no trouble.

I have always been depressed, and took prozac and felt suicidal in the morning when I was on it. I am taking paxil and wellbutrin now because of the weight gain and still being depressed. I still think about cigarettes now and then but I guess that is normal. I have a doc appt. next month and will probably change or stop the meds. The welbutrin does nothing for me for depression, but it did help with the appetite control but unfortunately is not helping much now. :shrug: :)

lighthousedazy

05-26-2009, 07:32 PM

I am glad u did well and were able to quit lighthouse. You will find the right med for depression. Good luck and keep us posted.Thanks Beem. I meant to add also, that my husband tried the nicotine patches several years before and he had a serious skin burn from them even though he moved them to different places as the directions said.

Gatordog

05-26-2009, 08:06 PM

The storms on Saturday knocked my internet out. That left me to powerwash and scrub the deck. It is now all stained and looking good, if I may say so myself.

Danagher - a word of advice on the dog. This comes from DH's office staff - may sure you get a dog, when full grown, you can pick up and carry if you had to. They get so many calls from people that the dog is laying on the floor, they can't get him up, none of the neighbors are home, etc. The bottom line is you need a dog you can handle.

Shih Tzu or Corgi, like Gator said are both great. A lot of the poodle mixes are great. We have a yorkie-poo, my Uncle a Schnoodle and Step SIL a maltese-poo. The Maltese Poo loves kids and is very cuddly, too.

That's my Mac above. Loves kids but he's a big boy.

Shady, you are so right about not being able to lift a sick dog. When Gator was critical after too much Cushings medicine, he could barely stand. I couldn't get him into my car. My vet is so close that she came by to get him in the car. They had to take him on a stretcher into the hospital. It's a good thing the vet came to help me since she told me the wrong amount of drugs to give him and it almost killed him. Now he has Addison's disease and it's been three years and it's expensive to keep him alive, but he's doing well.

shadydaisy

05-27-2009, 10:01 AM

You all have certainly given me a lot to think about!

I took Wellbutrin for about three months, when I was initially battling Lyme's. I had the type of Lyme's that went to my brain and I was on Wellbutrin to counteract something to do with that. Anyway, I don't remember having a problem with it, but I was on mega doses of antibiotics, so who knows what I was feeling between the Lyme's, antibiotics and Wellbutrin. I was on a non-smoking point then, so I can't say anything about it working for that.

My mom took it 2 years ago to quit and it worked for her. I had a friend who was training in Philly to be an acupuncturist about 20 years ago. I let her practice her stop smoking skills on me. It actually worked, but I suffered from extreme anxiety for the first time in my life. I am actually very laid back and easy going. I was a basket case. I had trouble leaving my house by myself, with just the kids. I couldn't eat if I was alone with the kids. So, she worked on that, too. I was her personal pincushion for a year, but it all worked out. Unfortunately, she moved to Colorado and I went back to smoking about 5 years ago.

I like smoking, but hate the smell, cost, and needing to smoke.

shadydaisy

05-27-2009, 10:14 AM

Shady, you are so right about not being able to lift a sick dog. When Gator was critical after too much Cushings medicine, he could barely stand. I couldn't get him into my car. My vet is so close that she came by to get him in the car. They had to take him on a stretcher into the hospital. It's a good thing the vet came to help me since she told me the wrong amount of drugs to give him and it almost killed him. Now he has Addison's disease and it's been three years and it's expensive to keep him alive, but he's doing well.

I'm sorry Gatordog and you had to go through that. It's heartbreaking; I'm glad your doctor was able to come and help you. Someone really should start an animal transport service for times like that. We have 2 ladies in the office who will run out and assist people. DH makes house calls for for some people who would have to give up their animals otherwise.

mu8shark

05-28-2009, 12:05 AM

I'm sorry Gatordog and you had to go through that. It's heartbreaking; I'm glad your doctor was able to come and help you. Someone really should start an animal transport service for times like that. We have 2 ladies in the office who will run out and assist people. DH makes house calls for for some people who would have to give up their animals otherwise.Aw Gator that is a terrible situation with your dog. I have two dogs and I am always concerned about their health and happiness. So nice to meet people who live up to their commitment to animals as best they can. It really irks me when people discard animals or just let them suffer. Nice to meet people like you who treat animals with the concern, love and respect they deserve. I have to get my cocker groomed and he needs to be sedated to do it. I called one vet and they wanted to charge me 260.00 to do it. Granted he needs two vaccines but it was outrageous so I called his former vet who is some distance away and they are going to do the same thing for like $138.00 a visit , his shots , a mild sedation and groom . I called back the other vet and got a breakdown and they were going to charge 84.00 for the grooming alone!!! All he is going to get is a shave for summer. Outrageous when vets gauge people like that. Plus even though the old vet is farther away , he is wonderful vet!

mu8shark

05-28-2009, 12:11 AM

deacon

05-28-2009, 04:46 AM

Marian Paroo

05-28-2009, 07:41 AM

shadydaisy

05-28-2009, 11:47 AM

I'm calling today, and I will let you know how it works. I've been repeating the mantra "I don't smoke anymore" for months. I've been smoking since I was born. I'm glad I can't smoke in the shower. I can't stand it. I hate it!
I hate the gum too. It's just another addiction and the nicotine goes threw your liver instead of your lungs. I Thank GOD I'm healthy, so far. Your Chantix experience sounds horrible Beemer. I hope you didn't make an ass of yourself on the thing during the amnesia!

Don't all yell at me but I did get the RX for Wellbutrin this am from the doctor. If I start posting odd things, please do an intervention.

This is what my grandfather did, after his doctor told him to quit or die. And this was way, way before the Surgeon General's Report.

He, my grandfather, my zadye, as we say in Yiddish just woke up every morning and told himself that it was Saturday, the Sabbath. When he couldn't light up anyway, because it was forbidden to start a fire.

Worked for him.

I kind of like that idea - on Saturday I don't work or cook, so I'd stay home every day puttering in the garden and have dinner out! I do smoke on Saturday....

shadydaisy

05-28-2009, 02:53 PM

WHAT?!
All right, I'm not going to yell at you. I'm thinking though. ..Why don't you, Nawny and bee, get zapped (as I call it) together, and you can all be your own support group to vent? Before you take those fricken pills, google it, just find out about it, ok. Please, for yourself.

Just think.... TOMMORROW ~ TOMMORROW YOU WILL BE AN EX SMOKER. Not in a few weeks or a month. As soon as you are zapped and you leave, it's over. No physical cravings to deal with, like those pills, besides the chemicals and what it does to your brain......

OK darlin, I'm done. Sorry. :rose:

OK. I'm hanging my head in shame. What's the number for the ear zapper? Danagher - you're right! Depends on what? The size of your ears?

Amy

05-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Uggh I have to vent about this little girl on JVM who is missing and her mother was dating or a friend of a sexual predator. And the mother knew what he was. She says he was never left alone with the child but let me ask you all something, why, oh why do woman risk their childrens safety and lives for men like this? I don't get it. I am not married , have never been married, am not gay, just traveled a lot and went my own way and it always shocks me the men that some women will settle for just to have a man. I guess my parents did not bring me up to think that if a girl is not married she is weird or less complete. I have friends who have guys who beat them and control them and know someone i work with who married a drug dealer who is unbelievably verbally abusive and controlling. But it seems to be okay with her because at least she has a man. She says every woman has to put up with something to have a man and have nice things. They do??? Am I crazy or is this just a self esteem thing? I would drop a guy if I found out he was a sexual predator, bottom line and esp if I had kids. Why would you want someone like that around???

I can't imagine putting any man (even their dad) before my kids. To KNOW the man is a sexual predator, I just cannot fathom what would be going thru that woman's head. Nothing, would be my first guess. Empty space.

The kids' niece's current off again, on again (mostly off) bf is HORRIBLE. I don't know about PHYSICAL abuse, but once he accused her of "spreading her fat legs for any man" and SHE WELCOMED HIM BACK W/OPEN ARMS!!!! That wasn't the first, nor the last garbage from his mouth, I am sure, but if I hadn't thrown the SOB out for anything else, I would have for that!!! The kids say she tells them, he treats her so much better than any of her other bf's. :eek: She is pretty, she is smart---she could do ANYTHING with her life, and she settles for garbage. They just "had" to have a baby together--and broke up within a few months. He was @ the hospital when the baby was born, within a week, he was back w/his 17 y/o gf he left her for. DD says--do NOT let him back in. The neice says "we are a family now"--she SERIOUSLY needs some psychiatric help. How can they be a "family" when he is off porking a 17 y/o and rarely @ the house?

One of my sisters was dating the divorced dad of our youngest sister's friend. We are all going :eek::eek::eek: She says, well, he's better than NOBODY!!!! OMG, our parents NEVER raised us to think that, where in the world did she come up with it?????

Just as bad as the one who lives with/dates a sexual predator, knowing he is, is the one who just watches as the bf abuses the kids--sexually or just physically, either one. WHERE ARE HER MATERNAL FEELINGS? Did she ever have them? Why did she have kids if she can't put them first? A mistake? Well, lady, once you've made a "mistake" you well could not make any more. And, how's about rectifying your "mistake" by giving that child up to people who would love and care for him/her? :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

Amy

05-28-2009, 04:07 PM

This is what my grandfather did, after his doctor told him to quit or die. And this was way, way before the Surgeon General's Report.

He, my grandfather, my zadye, as we say in Yiddish just woke up every morning and told himself that it was Saturday, the Sabbath. When he couldn't light up anyway, because it was forbidden to start a fire.

Worked for him.

Smart man, your grandfather!!! That would probably work for me, I can't remember what day of the week it is, half the time. So, to have it be Saturday every day, I wouldn't be any the wiser, lol.

deacon

05-28-2009, 04:11 PM

I can't imagine putting any man (even their dad) before my kids. To KNOW the man is a sexual predator, I just cannot fathom what would be going thru that woman's head. Nothing, would be my first guess. Empty space.

The kids' niece's current off again, on again (mostly off) bf is HORRIBLE. I don't know about PHYSICAL abuse, but once he accused her of "spreading her fat legs for any man" and SHE WELCOMED HIM BACK W/OPEN ARMS!!!! That wasn't the first, nor the last garbage from his mouth, I am sure, but if I hadn't thrown the SOB out for anything else, I would have for that!!! The kids say she tells them, he treats her so much better than any of her other bf's. :eek: She is pretty, she is smart---she could do ANYTHING with her life, and she settles for garbage. They just "had" to have a baby together--and broke up within a few months. He was @ the hospital when the baby was born, within a week, he was back w/his 17 y/o gf he left her for. DD says--do NOT let him back in. The neice says "we are a family now"--she SERIOUSLY needs some psychiatric help. How can they be a "family" when he is off porking a 17 y/o and rarely @ the house?

One of my sisters was dating the divorced dad of our youngest sister's friend. We are all going :eek::eek::eek: She says, well, he's better than NOBODY!!!! OMG, our parents NEVER raised us to think that, where in the world did she come up with it?????

Just as bad as the one who lives with/dates a sexual predator, knowing he is, is the one who just watches as the bf abuses the kids--sexually or just physically, either one. WHERE ARE HER MATERNAL FEELINGS? Did she ever have them? Why did she have kids if she can't put them first? A mistake? Well, lady, once you've made a "mistake" you well could not make any more. And, how's about rectifying your "mistake" by giving that child up to people who would love and care for him/her? :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

Please tell me why they do that. I can not figure that out. Why does a woman put up with the BS?:mad:

Amy

05-28-2009, 04:27 PM

Please tell me why they do that. I can not figure that out. Why does a woman put up with the BS?:mad:

I guess if I could tell ya, I'd be winning the Nobel prize (for peace? I'm not sure which category.) I can't figure it out, either. I have never been put to the test, but I don't think I would be for putting up w/it for one nanosecond. I don't think being someone's door mat is a happy place to be.

And I sure can't see me letting anyone do one thing to harm a hair on my kids' heads!!! Heck, I get upset when someone hurts their FEELINGS--even if it was just one of their little friends when they were little. I can't see just sitting there and letting someone beat the carp out of them, or worse!!!!

I don't know about all women, but what that one sister always wanted to be when she grew up was a mother and wife. After 3 husbands, I think she finally got the pic that the wife part wasn't working out. One of her ex's said that she was a good wife, she was a good mother, it's just that she couldn't handle both roles @ the same time. I'm pretty sure one thing she was thinking is--she doesn't want to have to go to work every day.

The woman has spent the last 20 years getting her teaching degree, graduated this last May. Her jobs? Supervising a Meals on Wheels kind of thing, and sitting @ night with an elderly lady. Both parttime jobs. Is she trying to get a teaching job anywhere? That would be a big no. She recently moved closer to home, and could have had a job for $14 an hour--but it was full time and ALL SHE WANTS IS PART TIME!!! She has a few screws loose for sure--she has to support herself, and parttime for $6 or $7 an hour isn't going to accomplish that!!!!

I will give her credit for getting out of marriage #1 which was physically abusive. I don't know who got out of marriage #2 and if there was abuse on either side. Maybe mentally controlling, but she's kind of paranoid, so I can't be for sure, or if she just THINKS it was there. She isn't really OUT of marriage #3--but is far, far away from it. Which is a good thing, cuz I don't know who is crazier---him or her, but together it had to be a nightmare!!!

deacon

05-28-2009, 04:32 PM

They do it because somewhere along the line, at a very young age, someone convinced them that they were worthless. From birth to age six the psyche is developing and so if someone abandons them, abuses them, or neglects them, it leaves permanent damage. They grow to be women who believe they are not valuable. That can only be fixed if they work very hard at building self esteem, and this is done partly by observing others who command respect, and partly by working very, very hard on becoming someone they respect- (from inside.)

So I have read. :(

Thanks I never could understand that. I guess men don't have that problem as much. We just grow up to be serial killers or something.

Marian Paroo

05-28-2009, 04:34 PM

Is there a thread for the most wacked-out excuses used by people accused of crimes to avoid extradition?

We have getting back a child abuser who fled to Brasil and whose lawyer had a real lulu of an explaination of why he should not be extradited.

shadydaisy

05-28-2009, 06:48 PM

Are you living near RI? LOL! You're funny! I'll send the email I got from him.. heere ya go!

_______________________________________________

Hi Joanna, It is nice to hear from you again. The answer to your question is yes. I have taught a class at University of Bridgeport a few years ago on auricular therapy. Call the office 397-6333 to set up an appointment. All the best, say hi to Joe for me. Tim
>
> From: Health Professionals Directory <practitioner@psychologytoday.com>
> Date: 2009/05/26 Tue PM 05:36:20 EDT
> To: "Dr. Timothy O'Brien DAc, RN, MAc" <tim@opus.necoxmail.com>
> Subject: [HP] Auriculotherapy
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> This person saw your profile in HealthProfs.com Health Professionals
> Directory.

No, I'm in NJ but I found a place that does Auriculotherapy, down by where my grandparent's are buried, so I guess I can call and set up a road trip. You guys scared me off the meds. I'll try this. I did the acupuncture before and it worked for 5 years. Then it was like the switch was turned off.

deacon

05-28-2009, 06:57 PM

Haaaaa!!!

cough.. ahem,,, that wasn't funny. :hat:

It is true however. Look at the numer of serial killers who were abused as a child. Not an excuse in my book but they were.

Both cases are people who can not deal with life on their own. Females cling to any male that will have them because of their feelings of worthlessness and men cling to killing or something else to prove to themselves that they can have control of a situation and decide when someone dies. Freaky but true.

mu8shark

05-28-2009, 11:18 PM

Please tell me why they do that. I can not figure that out. Why does a woman put up with the BS?:mad:
I decided to travel and see the world and have fun and did not settle down. Would it be nice to have a man around as a companion? Yes , would I settle for any man ? Nope. I can't believe the stuff women put up with just to say they have a guy.

mu8shark

05-28-2009, 11:22 PM

Thanks I never could understand that. I guess men don't have that problem as much. We just grow up to be serial killers or something. That is pretty funny Deacon! Got to have a sense of humour on this board , if even a wicked one!

deacon

05-29-2009, 08:10 AM

Sweet Shadydaisy.. I'm proud of you. Isn't it amazing how Dr Death and his cohorts want us to stop smoking because it kills, then give us meds that are worse than cigs? They pass out those damn meds like crazy and forget to tell us that some of them can cause high blood pressure, block outs, and dont' mention that mixing them with a few glasses of wine can cause seizures but if we stop drinking wine it will cause more seizures? We are expected to either go to medical school or google things they should be telling us. For example: Do not mix other medications with Wellbutrin. So they give us some Ativan for insomnia caused by the Chantix, which causes block outs.

When you wake up and see a dish on the counter, and a pan on the stove - all the evidence that you woke up and cooked a meal in the middle of the night is making you think you're nuts because you don't remember doing it.

Then you get the Beta Blockers because Zyban makes your blood pressure reach stroke potential. That happened to my DD's husband's aunt. A great lady, a beautiful lady and a very intelligence lady was told smoking would kill her.

She took the prescribed poison, had a near death stroke, could no longer walk with out assistance. They gave her more BP meds (3 total) along with another antidepressant, Klonopin, a diuretic, and seven months later she had a worse stroke and now, add drooling to her host of physical handicaps, included in those are, no use of her left hand and leg. She's a total wreck, but she can still think normally.

This lady said to me, I would have lasted longer on the cigs and wished I died from those instead of survived with this, while her daughter was cutting the food in her dish. Yes we should all stop smoking, sure, but there is no magic pill for that addiction.

In the meantime, I'm going to go see the acu guy. Can't hurt! How far into NJ are you SD? I'll meet you at the path!
Good luck to you and me :)

And none of them will speak out or get effective laws passed aimed at a greater killer than cigs. Drunk driving. I guess it is just socially acceptable to drink, get behind the wheel of an automobile and kill the family in the other lane.:flamemad:

deacon

05-29-2009, 08:22 AM

Ain't that the truth! How can people be more motivated to stop smoking in bars than drinking in cars?!

I have been shocked and amazed by the number of people who think its okay to drive a little buzzed! I don't have to worry about judging my level of impairment vs. driving: if I drink, I simply don't drive! I have had it out with so many people...

Around here I would add driving while texting too. As a safety guy, that is one of the most "not so smart" things I see people do. I won't even talk on the cell phone and drive. I pull off of the road before I even answer it.

shadydaisy

05-29-2009, 10:34 AM

Sweet Shadydaisy.. I'm proud of you. Isn't it amazing how Dr Death and his cohorts want us to stop smoking because it kills, then give us meds that are worse than cigs? They pass out those damn meds like crazy and forget to tell us that some of them can cause high blood pressure, block outs, and dont' mention that mixing them with a few glasses of wine can cause seizures but if we stop drinking wine it will cause more seizures? We are expected to either go to medical school or google things they should be telling us. For example: Do not mix other medications with Wellbutrin. So they give us some Ativan for insomnia caused by the Chantix, which causes block outs.

**Snip**

In the meantime, I'm going to go see the acu guy. Can't hurt! How far into NJ are you SD? I'll meet you at the path!
Good luck to you and me :)

I have an appointment on Friday, June 5. Is your appt. before mine? I'm all the way west in NJ, right off Route 78 (if anyone knows where that is!) Almost in PA. Meet you at Port Authority?

driving while ________(insert anything) is a bad idea...

Driving 78 everyday I see people reading the newspaper, putting on makeup and using a laptop. Unbelievable.

I'm up at 5 am because my mother decided to feed the dog an entire jumbo bag of snausages when she was here yesterday. Hilarity did not ensue as far as my dog's butt is concerned.

Why do some people not realize that moderation is not only beneficial, it is the opposite of cruel?

I can't tell you how many emergency calls DH receives about the dog that ate ______ and is sick! Even I have had to call him. I took a whole roasted chicken out of the oven, put it on a platter, covered it with foil and went to the bottom of the driveway to meet the school bus. When I walked in there was a broken platter, a piece of foil that was so flat it looked like it had been ironed, and not a single piece of evidence that a chicken had once been there. The three dogs ate the entire chicken, bones and all. The large dog pulled it off the counter. Once it hit the floor it was fair game for all! It was difficult called DH to explain that one.

Marian Paroo

05-29-2009, 11:42 AM

I am writing a book on the Exodus from an Egyptological point of view (non-fiction). That one is in my safety zone, I've been published in Egyptology already...I've got a couple of rough chapters done, and the rest is blocked out.

But my secret is that I want to write fiction, too. shhhhh! Don't tell anyone, lol! I took a class on fiction writing this semester to get back in the writing mode, and got really encouraged by the prof. Now I have to get over being too chicken to try and get fiction published...It's scary to put yourself out there, you know? eeep. Now I'm scared because I even typed it out loud...

What are you working on, Nawny?

What do you think of the that mystery series, can't remember the name of the author, haven't read one in a while, about the Victorian (the series extends into the Edwardian period, too) Egyptologist?

Gatordog

05-29-2009, 12:53 PM

I had a pretty great day. First, baby helmet appointment. Good progress, but she needs 3 more weeks in it, then we can burn the little sucker (the helmet, not the baby). Then I took the kids to Berkeley to meet a friend at Jupiter pub/ brewery, had a great pizza and porter, then walked around the campus, fed then chased squirrels and looked at the t-rex's hidden in the life sciences building, then oinked on Ben and Jerry's. Sunny, no wind, nice, no urine smell on the sidewalks for a change...

This is the life :)

Oh Java, that's excellent news. So glad that it is working and she is going to have such a pretty round head. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy105.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

My wonderful, treasure of a nephew, has a girlfriend who is in medical school with him in St. Louis and she went to Berkley. I get to meet her this Sunday. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) She's coming to Florida with him for one week and then he's going to California to meet her family for one week. Yahoo. I think I will like her.

Gatordog

05-29-2009, 01:00 PM

I am writing a book on the Exodus from an Egyptological point of view (non-fiction). That one is in my safety zone, I've been published in Egyptology already...I've got a couple of rough chapters done, and the rest is blocked out.

But my secret is that I want to write fiction, too. shhhhh! Don't tell anyone, lol! I took a class on fiction writing this semester to get back in the writing mode, and got really encouraged by the prof. Now I have to get over being too chicken to try and get fiction published...It's scary to put yourself out there, you know? eeep. Now I'm scared because I even typed it out loud...

What are you working on, Nawny?

Java, I am sure whatever you write will be exciting. I can see a murder/spy novel with an archeological backdrop. Maybe a stolen artifact shows up in a dead woman's apartment. Ohh. I want Hugh Jackman to play the lead in the movie. Don't write any female parts (only dead ones). I don't want to share him with anyone. Or, you know who I love, Michael Weatherly, from NCIS. Yowser. Looking at DiNozzo makes Gator very happy. :o

Gatordog

05-29-2009, 01:10 PM

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I can't tell you how many emergency calls DH receives about the dog that ate ______ and is sick! Even I have had to call him. I took a whole roasted chicken out of the oven, put it on a platter, covered it with foil and went to the bottom of the driveway to meet the school bus. When I walked in there was a broken platter, a piece of foil that was so flat it looked like it had been ironed, and not a single piece of evidence that a chicken had once been there. The three dogs ate the entire chicken, bones and all. The large dog pulled it off the counter. Once it hit the floor it was fair game for all! It was difficult called DH to explain that one.

One day, I went out the side kitchen door to walk my little dog Ty. Gator was in the house, he was about 8 months old. When I came back, I opened the door to the kitchen but the refrigerator door was in the way. I was puzzled, I thought to myself, I just walked out and couldn't have gotten through if I left the refrigerator open. Then I saw an aluminum tray on the floor, and telltale signs of grease. That genius dog waited until I left the house, pulled open the refrigerator door using the kitchen towel hanging in the handle, pulled out the meatloaf took it out of the tray and ran off with it and ate it in the bedroom! By the way, genius is the description my vet used. He said as far as dog intelligence, Gator is a genius. He has solved many problems on his own, leaving me shaking my head. One time, I made two hamburgers. I cut some Italian bread, put on the ketchup and pickles. and turned and took my hamburger off the stove. When I turned around to put it on the bread I didn't see the bread and thought I must have imagined doing it. So I put the burger on the plate and turned to reach for the loaf of bread. I saw it had been cut so when I turned around again, the burger was stolen off of the plate and then I saw that the sliced bread was on the floor. I love my dog so much. He's going on 13.5. I will miss him terribly when he's gone.

Java, Gator loves snausages. It's the only treat he will eat. He will spit everything else out. They love snausages.

shadydaisy

05-29-2009, 01:58 PM

One day, I went out the side kitchen door to walk my little dog Ty. Gator was in the house, he was about 8 months old. When I came back, I opened the door to the kitchen but the refrigerator door was in the way. I was puzzled, I thought to myself, I just walked out and couldn't have gotten through if I left the refrigerator open. Then I saw an aluminum tray on the floor, and telltale signs of grease. That genius dog waited until I left the house, pulled open the refrigerator door using the kitchen towel hanging in the handle, pulled out the meatloaf took it out of the tray and ran off with it and ate it in the bedroom! By the way, genius is the description my vet used. He said as far as dog intelligence, Gator is a genius. He has solved many problems on his own, leaving me shaking my head. One time, I made two hamburgers. I cut some Italian bread, put on the ketchup and pickles. and turned and took my hamburger off the stove. When I turned around to put it on the bread I didn't see the bread and thought I must have imagined doing it. So I put the burger on the plate and turned to reach for the loaf of bread. I saw it had been cut so when I turned around again, the burger was stolen off of the plate and then I saw that the sliced bread was on the floor. I love my dog so much. He's going on 13.5. I will miss him terribly when he's gone.

Java, Gator loves snausages. It's the only treat he will eat. He will spit everything else out. They love snausages.

What a hoot! Nothing like a genius with a mission! I had to change my doorknobs from the sun room to the outside. They had the handicap handle and Mac figured out how to open the door so they could get outside. Not horrible, but he didn't shut the door behind him.

Don't get me started - I have a million dog tales.

Gatordog

05-29-2009, 08:02 PM

Nawny is waving her hand! ME!ME! Write me in. :punch: Armand, what's his name. I want him! :punch:

Damn I can't even remember his name.. I'm gone. :( But I do remember his face and his voice and oh God I love him so!

Shhh.. poppa's not home. :)

ASSANTE! Armond Assante! Him! Ah ha! I got it!

Armand Assante http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-040.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

Gatordog

05-29-2009, 08:04 PM

I can find a person on the other side of the earth. I've probably never been to that part of NJ though. I've run through it though. Hackensack, Trenton and Boonton area.. yeah. NJ is so enormous! Well every state is enormous compared to RI.

My appointment is on Monday at 10:30 near here. Glad you found one in NJ! I'll let you know how it works for me.

hey Nawn, I wish you luck. I'm confident it will work.

Still no cable or NG. Going stir crazy http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-023.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

Gatordog

05-29-2009, 08:10 PM

:) YAY! She had better pass the Italian family test or she's toast! Let us know. Get her DNA and her shoe size and of course all of her history since she was born. If she doesn't like meatballs, call me. I'll be there with the U know what. Oh, and while your at it, find out her mother and father's social security number. :seeya:

Love ya Gator!;)

I don't even know what to say to her. She's some sort of medical genenome (sp?) scientist. She'll talk about dna and I'll talk dogs! hey, maybe I can quiz her on the body farm air tests and other stuff. I miss seeing Kobelinski on NG. I guess he is busy testing the evidence in the Bozo Circus.

Amy

05-30-2009, 04:51 AM

Around here I would add driving while texting too. As a safety guy, that is one of the most "not so smart" things I see people do. I won't even talk on the cell phone and drive. I pull off of the road before I even answer it.

One of our pediatricians was on some kind of panel about kids (of course.) He says the topic of texting and driving came up. One of the girls says well, they text because it's so boring just driving along. :chicken::eek:

If that is the intelligence level of teens, or even adults who text as they drive, I don't think anyone's gonna convince them any time soon that it's not a smart thing to do!!!

Marian Paroo

05-30-2009, 05:14 AM

Ahh, yes, Elizabeth Peters! She is a real Egyptologist, it is a pseudonym, she thought she could keep her "hobby" a secret, but we all know:D...I totally LOVE those books!

There is also that late professor from Columbia University who wrote mysteries under a pseudonym, she feared that she would lose tenure for such frippery.

Marian Paroo

05-30-2009, 12:42 PM

Linoleum Emergency advice needed!

Okay, in a continuation of my dog's problem from yesterday...I have an original 1940 linoleum floor. Green marbled, yellow bordered, the works. I deeply love it and it was part of the appeal of the house. I have been hand stripping 60 years worth of wax off it to restore it one little section at a time

The dog's problem STAINED it!!!!!! And I mean stained. It is NOT in the wax, I have no idea how it got through....Do any of you know a trick for getting a pet stain out of true linoleum? If we can't get it out, we will literally have to rip out my lovely floor...
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:(I turned to the "Flooring" chapter of the decorating book I used when redoing my flat: It says, after giving all the pluses of real linoleum "However, it is not highly water-reistant and water degrades it." :(

Try searching on the net, Sorry.

shadydaisy

05-30-2009, 03:37 PM

Linoleum Emergency advice needed!

Okay, in a continuation of my dog's problem from yesterday...I have an original 1940 linoleum floor. Green marbled, yellow bordered, the works. I deeply love it and it was part of the appeal of the house. I have been hand stripping 60 years worth of wax off it to restore it one little section at a time

The dog's problem STAINED it!!!!!! And I mean stained. It is NOT in the wax, I have no idea how it got through....Do any of you know a trick for getting a pet stain out of true linoleum? If we can't get it out, we will literally have to rip out my lovely floor...
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I've had success making a paste with Biz and water. Apply a heavy coating - wait overnight or at least a couple of hours. Wipe off and take a look. Something in it helps breakdown the organic stain. I used to have black and white squares in my kitchen before the renovation. Saved me a couple of times.

shadydaisy

05-30-2009, 03:38 PM

I'm dying to hear how you are doing at about 2:00 Monday afternoon. I'm not sure I picked the best day to try this. I'm hosting prom parents at my house that night....

Gatordog

05-30-2009, 07:50 PM

Gator,,, now I've met you, and you had no problem with conversation! ;)

Ask her what a doughboy is. Then ask her if she likes the aroma of garlic and remember to ask her if she plans on having a cleaning lady.. tell her Italian women never had cleaning ladies. Then tell her she better not be smarter than her husband, then ask who she intends her husband to be, because he's a doctor and the family doesn't want him to marry because doctors wives cheat on them.. No forgetta to tella her to respecta the familia or no Cannoli's.

Is she a full bred? FIND OUT. :hat:

Well, I already know she is smarter than my nephew and he is extremely bright. He received seven scholorships to college including the Robert C. Byrd scholarship from the Senate. She received a full scholarship to medical school, and they go to a private school not a state medical school. Mucho bucks. She is not Italian. She is Chinese/Irish American and my nephew is Phillipino/Italian American. They make a beautiful couple from the photos I've seen.

Gatordog

05-30-2009, 07:59 PM

Imagine all those parents who don't smoke? They won't have to whisper behind your back when they see you light up. When I host parties and I can't hold out, I have to go out side and take a walk around my house (even in winter) because none of my guests smoke. Times they are a changin! You'll do fine. :)

Believe it or not, no one in my family smokes, drinks or curses. My father set the example especially about smoking. He always hated it and wouldn't even let my brothers smoke when they were in the Navy. He wouldn't let us curse and he only has an occassional beer.

Gatordog

05-30-2009, 08:08 PM

Linoleum Emergency advice needed!

Okay, in a continuation of my dog's problem from yesterday...I have an original 1940 linoleum floor. Green marbled, yellow bordered, the works. I deeply love it and it was part of the appeal of the house. I have been hand stripping 60 years worth of wax off it to restore it one little section at a time

The dog's problem STAINED it!!!!!! And I mean stained. It is NOT in the wax, I have no idea how it got through....Do any of you know a trick for getting a pet stain out of true linoleum? If we can't get it out, we will literally have to rip out my lovely floor...
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Try vinegar and water or peroxide. I would make a quick run tp Petsmart and see if they have a cleanser for biological mistakes. Something like OUT or PAWS. Maybe a paste made out of water and baking soda.

samanthajane13

05-30-2009, 09:24 PM

"What were the Irish doing in China?"

Think about your US history, Danagher!!!

More precisely, the building of the Transcontinental Railroad.

Irish from the East Coast, Chinese from the West Coast.

It's been happening for AGES, sweetie!!!

samanthajane13

05-30-2009, 11:00 PM

AH! Stupid me!

Not stupid at ALL!!! Not you, Danagher!!!

"I never knew Irish came in from the East coast. Isn't that the Boston area? Hmm."

Yup that would be the same East coast. When the Irish immigrants couldn't find jobs in the area, due to extreme prejudice,many took jobs laying rails for the railroad.

"And China is now in California? Well I'll be dipped diddly dumbfounded, Sam."

The Chinese had immigrated to California, Oregon, and Washington State, and faced the same kinds of prejudice as the Irish.

Grandpa was an engineer on the Pennsylvania RR (freight) and the Penn Central (passengers) and then Con Rail, when they merged.

He made damned good and sure that I knew EVERYTHING about the Transcontinental RR when it came up on history class.

Anything less was UNACCEPTABLE.

Marian Paroo

05-31-2009, 12:15 AM

Believe it or not, no one in my family smokes, drinks or curses. My father set the example especially about smoking. He always hated it and wouldn't even let my brothers smoke when they were in the Navy. He wouldn't let us curse and he only has an occassional beer.

My father would curse when very angry, but only in Polish, which we kids didn't understand. No smokers in my family, my grandfather quit before I was born. Occasional, very occasional drinking. Dad would get bottles of good Scotch for Christmas from the salesmen he bought from for his store, and would give one to the super of our apt. house and one to the postman.

Try vinegar and water or peroxide. I would make a quick run tp Petsmart and see if they have a cleanser for biological mistakes. Something like OUT or PAWS. Maybe a paste made out of water and baking soda.

Sounds like good ideas. "Biological mistakes?" I had a cleaning tips book -- couldn't find it yesterday, and still can't, that had a chapter on "pets' mistakes" :tongue:

Marian Paroo

05-31-2009, 08:43 AM

When I was in Rome the guide told us that the forum was where the sicked the dogs on the Christians (and others). The Colosseum was just for gladiator fights.

But it looks more dramatic in the movies than the forum would!

Marian Paroo

05-31-2009, 11:23 AM

77 BC or AD (?) when Rome was sacked, the Circus Maximus may have been destroyed, but rumor grew arms and legs since then.. In either case, the story of the Lions eating Christians is just another one that amazes me regarding the unending plight of the Christians.

Is it night there Marian? :)

Well, I would have to say that it wasn't quite an unending plight -- after all, the Roman Empire did eventually become the very powerful Holy Roman Empire...

We are EST +7, but our Daylight Savings Time doesn't correspond to Summer Time neither in the USA nor the EU. It is very short, because the fundamentalist Jews, who have a lot of clout don't like Daylight Savings Time. We'll be going off of Daylight Savings Time in mid-September this year, the day we go off depends on when Yom Kippur rolls around. We have a lunar calender, so things move.

But not as much as on the Islamic calender -- we have leap years, which means an extra month every couple of years -- the Islamic calendar doesn't.

Marian Paroo

05-31-2009, 01:48 PM

I rather like it.

Because of our longitude/latitude location were it not for DST, we wouldn't have much of a difference between winter and summer. Even with DST it's pretty much dark in the summer by 8 pm.

Really wish we had it here, but this is what happens when fundamentalists get too much political power; :(

Amy

05-31-2009, 03:31 PM

Believe it or not, no one in my family smokes, drinks or curses. My father set the example especially about smoking. He always hated it and wouldn't even let my brothers smoke when they were in the Navy. He wouldn't let us curse and he only has an occassional beer.

We lived in the small rural area where most of Daddy's family lived. One uncle smoked and (gasp) went to a neighboring town to the (gasp) pool hall and was known to drink beer!!!! My aunt's hubby smoked, too. Very few people in town smoked, altho the 30's crowd when I was a teen seemed to have beer @ their card parties.

I remember Daddy cuzzing maybe twice in my life, and he was doggone frustrated and upset w/us girls when he did so. One of my sisters said when he fell last month, he said Gdamn!!! Cursing wasn't something that was done much (in public) by anyone when I was growing up. And, GD seemed to be about the worst one heard.

OTOH, mom's side of the family drank a lot of the beers, and smoked like chimneys. But they lived in Ohio and Michigan and California and Texas. I guess her brother's wife's family that lived across the road from us did smoke and do the beer thing, too, come to think of it. But we weren't exactly on good neighbor status, so we weren't exposed to it much. Some folks did smoke in my dad's house, but it has been many years since that was allowed.

Marian Paroo

05-31-2009, 03:38 PM

I'm calling it a day folks.

Our work week here is Sunday-Thursday, and I put in a 10 hour day after an insomnia night.

Zzzzzz

Marian Paroo

06-01-2009, 12:07 AM

lighthousedazy

06-01-2009, 01:49 AM

Born in The Bronx, raised there and in Yonkers, came to Israel in '74, just be for my 20th bday.

Cultural Jewish, religion as part of it but non-religious upbringing, youth group, child of Holocaust survivors, yada-yada.

It's 07:07 am here, gotta leave for work.

More anon (not anon as in anonymous).Welcome Marian. My best friend in elementary school was the daughter of German, Catholic holocaust survivors, but these dear people settled in the Southern US.

Marian Paroo

06-01-2009, 02:25 AM

Welcome Marian. My best friend in elementary school was the daughter of German, Catholic holocaust survivors, but these dear people settled in the Southern US.

What were they doing to p!ss the authorities off ?

Were they in the more political concentration camps like Ravensbruk and/or Dachau?

Marian Paroo

06-01-2009, 06:18 AM

Israeli security can be quite overdone. Or overbaked I should say.

A friend of mine, 60ish at the time, was coming to Israeli via Austria following an academic conference. At the time she was a profesor at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. She was making the detour on her way home special to see me.

She got pulled aside because she spoke German to the the clerk at the check in desk. They wanted to know why an American would be speaking German. She told them because she was a professor of German Langauge and Literature, and as she was in a German speaking country she thought that it would be natural to speak the language.

Many African-Americans have been badly harassed coming in to the country :o . Including people with work visas, letters of recommendation (academics), etc.

A few years ago, a physician from the Philipines was almost sent back -- they racist idjits at passport control thought she had forged the letter from a major medical center in order to work as an illegal cleaning lady.

My apologies to all of you.

Amy

06-01-2009, 02:33 PM

This article I read is really disturbing: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.fb78d9ac9d22efa262fb0bf0f2ab12d 2.1b1&show_article=1

Basically, a woman who made comments on another person's blog about Anna Nicole Smith got sued by ANS' mother Vergie along with Howard K. Stern and some others, that they helped keep her from getting custody of Dannielynn and cost her $88 million. Now she's in jail because she didn't turn over her computer. Based on her description, I think I may have known her on another board. She's just a Joe making comments, as near as I can tell. I wish I could see what she wrote because then I would know what she did wrong, if anything. I mean, anyone can sue anyone else, they just aren't guaranteed to win...but who wants to go to court anyway?

Apparently, people who comment in sites, basically like here I guess, even if they don't have a "blog", are considered journalists. That means is a reporter couldn't write it, no one else can either. But there has to be intent to defame, I guess...I certainly don't have any attempt to defame...but does that mean if someone expressed here, for example, that they don't like the Anthonies getting non-profit status for their foundation, that's not allowed? Or is it only if they actively try to stop it? :confused:

I'm confused. I just want to talk about law and legal cases, and missing kids cases, not get sued. I certainly don't want to have problems with anyone. I don't know any of these people who have made themselves public figures, imo. But I also feel I have a right to my opinions. Its not like I am going through anyone's garbage or trying to start petitions against them or anyone. I just want to yak about news that comes up in current cases, that's all! I am no journalist and do not claim to be! I just comment on news...

This is depressing. Isn't this America? I don't like to feel scared to post or have an opinion on things...I don't like feeling like I need to pull back because I don't know the lines. I'm not a reporter! :(

I guess I better put an IMO after this so no one sues me for offering legal opinions. I'm no lawyer, either. I'm just a bored SAHM...a

It is true that the A's are getting non-profit status for their foundation. This is information that they put out. Your opinion is that you don't like it that they can get non-profit status. That also is a true statement, and you are entitled to not like anything you want to not like. It would seem that anyone can attempt to stop them from getting this status by writing, emailing, contacting whomever is in charge of making this happen without getting in trouble, as long as what they write to that person is fact.

(Don't you mean fat, lazy blogger? lol. Paraphrased, cuz I don't remember Cindy's actual words. Oh, and don't forget maggot and something else. CRS here!!!! Now, THAT would seem to be slander or libel or something, cuz she's never seen the majority of the bloggers, I may be fat, but I'm not lazy--or is it the other way around? :chicken:)

deacon

06-01-2009, 03:56 PM

This article I read is really disturbing: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.fb78d9ac9d22efa262fb0bf0f2ab12d 2.1b1&show_article=1

Basically, a woman who made comments on another person's blog about Anna Nicole Smith got sued by ANS' mother Vergie along with Howard K. Stern and some others, that they helped keep her from getting custody of Dannielynn and cost her $88 million. Now she's in jail because she didn't turn over her computer. Based on her description, I think I may have known her on another board. She's just a Joe making comments, as near as I can tell. I wish I could see what she wrote because then I would know what she did wrong, if anything. I mean, anyone can sue anyone else, they just aren't guaranteed to win...but who wants to go to court anyway?

Apparently, people who comment in sites, basically like here I guess, even if they don't have a "blog", are considered journalists. That means is a reporter couldn't write it, no one else can either. But there has to be intent to defame, I guess...I certainly don't have any attempt to defame...but does that mean if someone expressed here, for example, that they don't like the Anthonies getting non-profit status for their foundation, that's not allowed? Or is it only if they actively try to stop it? :confused:

I'm confused. I just want to talk about law and legal cases, and missing kids cases, not get sued. I certainly don't want to have problems with anyone. I don't know any of these people who have made themselves public figures, imo. But I also feel I have a right to my opinions. Its not like I am going through anyone's garbage or trying to start petitions against them or anyone. I just want to yak about news that comes up in current cases, that's all! I am no journalist and do not claim to be! I just comment on news...

This is depressing. Isn't this America? I don't like to feel scared to post or have an opinion on things...I don't like feeling like I need to pull back because I don't know the lines. I'm not a reporter! :(

I guess I better put an IMO after this so no one sues me for offering legal opinions. I'm no lawyer, either. I'm just a bored SAHM...

Big difference between a blog and a message board. A blog has no oversight while a message board does. It is the job of the overseer of the board to monitor content to make sure we don't say things that we either should not or say something that would get the sponsor of the board in trouble.

A blog, on the other hand, is a person's own place to write(put into print) their thoughts and they are responsible to police their own writing.

Not to say we should not mind our manners and not put something here that was wrong but it is policed sort of here.

shadydaisy

06-01-2009, 04:28 PM

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My appointment is on Monday at 10:30 near here. Glad you found one in NJ! I'll let you know how it works for me.

I'm waiting to hear how your appointment went! Tell me, tell me! Are you a non-smoker now or a smoker who is currently not smoking?

shadydaisy

06-01-2009, 08:42 PM

LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!! I am a smoker who is happy to report that cigarettes now taste like ass. I posted the ass on the thing above ^ The auriculotherapy isn't legal here in RI, not approved yet, I got a version of it. Incredible, so far.
Auriculotherapy works even better I'm told.

Good luck with yours, I'm sure from what I was told today it is a guarantee!

Great news! Keep me posted - I go on Friday. Going to the cemetery first, then auriculotherapy. I have a two hour drive home. That will be the test. Then prom duties.

Gatordog

06-01-2009, 09:42 PM

I went for my appointment to see Timothy O'Brien to get some Auriculotherapy today. After a short talk session with him, I learned that is is not yet approved in RI. For reasons unknown. But... he does teach and use a form of it, and I opted to go through with it.

Here's what he said. A body addicted to nicotine, needs one cig per hour. Anything more than that is unnecessary and we light up from habit. Any smoker should be satisfied with aprox 12 cigs a day. I usually smoke more than that.

He told me to sit where I usually do, go where I usually go, and every time I need more than one an hour, don't light it, throw it away. He also said a craving doesn't last more than 1 1/2 minutes.. so wait it out if possible.

He knows what kind of a smoker I am and how long I've been smoking. He told me it would take 6 weeks to stop completely.. so 2 sessions a week for that long should do it. If I am ok in a shorter time, just stop going. The best part is, it stops the food cravings, this therapy :) Yippie!

The procedure was odd. I've had acupuncture before, and he did the same thing with the needles.. but for the smoking he put 4 little teeny caps in my outer ear. They are almost invisible. He said they will fall out after a few weeks or sooner. It was painless. Then he let me lay on the nice thing, like a heated gurney and played that beautiful music which puts you in the softest mood.. As I laid there I remodel my kitchen in my mind. LOL!

When I left his office after 45 minutes, I forgot to light up like I always do when I get into my car. I went shopping at Target for some kitchen chair pads and a few summer tops. I felt so relaxed and didn't think about smoking until I got out side. I didn't do it. It was a thought, not a craving.

When I got home, 4 hours after the auriculotherapy, I made a pot of coffee and worried about wanting to smoke. He told me to titrate down, not go cold turkey. I lit one up and it tasted like cat droppings. I threw it out. FYI it worked.

There was no way Nawny was going to go without a cigarette for all those hours, unless she is on a plane, sleeping or dead.

I think I'm on my way good buddies and if anyone ever tells me message boards are no good, I'll break their head with my rolling pin. If not for Gator I would have never known about this form of help for my nasty vice. You too OS! Thank you!

I love you guys! :)

:beer:

We love you too Nawny. :beer:

shadydaisy

06-02-2009, 08:53 AM

Thanks babe. I told the acu guy about your experience with Chantix. He was not surprised. He called it poison.
This stuff is great. I tried to smoke and I couldn't... now all I want to know is what non smokers do with their other hand. ;)

I've been thinking about that. I'll be constantly weeding the garden. I think I'm going to start a crochet project. I need to figure out something to do in the car. I can't smoke at work but on the way there and home I make up for it.

shadydaisy

06-02-2009, 10:38 AM

I'm very proud of you! (and we didn't even have to shame you into it!) :D Get those fav CD's ready to sing your way home!

Next,..... beem!!!!

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!:beer:

Thanks OS - you all gave me a lot to think about regarding the drug method. We kind of have a quit smoking club going on.

shadydaisy

06-02-2009, 12:48 PM

I just called around and found a clinic about an hour away. I have a sticky on my calendar to call them in the fall. I think i will do better when i am couped up again inside and all the BBQ's,weddings and get togethers are over. So keep me posted on your progress ladies. Our is covered as well and its 78.00 first time and 38.00 for any follow up needed.

You have to do it when YOU are ready, not when other people tell you to. Took me a long time, but I finally figured that out. I'm feeling ready now.

Danagher - I, too, am tired of hearing the same old song. Yes, I am aware of all the hazards of smoking. I have not been living under a rock.... Many of the people who have given me grief over the years do not live the healthiest lifestyle themselves. Cracks me up - They don't exercise, eat horrible, have been told by their dr's they are borderline diabetic, but they won't change their lifestyle. I never harp on them, why do they feel free to nag me?

deacon

06-02-2009, 01:15 PM

You have to do it when YOU are ready, not when other people tell you to. Took me a long time, but I finally figured that out. I'm feeling ready now.

Danagher - I, too, am tired of hearing the same old song. Yes, I am aware of all the hazards of smoking. I have not been living under a rock.... Many of the people who have given me grief over the years do not live the healthiest lifestyle themselves. Cracks me up - They don't exercise, eat horrible, have been told by their dr's they are borderline diabetic, but they won't change their lifestyle. I never harp on them, why do they feel free to nag me?

Add to the list: drink like a fish and then try to drive. That kills more people in a year than smoking but they won't stop. It is socially acceptable and in some instances socially expected. Go figure.

Amy

06-02-2009, 01:36 PM

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Yes. :seeya: And yes they do remove posts. It gets posters angry because their numbers go down. This group is great. There is hardly ever anyone who has to be banned, since I've been here, that I've noticed. Other boards as you know, like Scot Peterson, OJ, Holloway.. yikes, they were insane! Posters were getting heated and banned constantly! I remember one of them was stalking and changing names faster than Tom & Jerry could chase each other!

I saw someone get banned for saying 3 simple words:
"Hang the basturd" The same one came back with a new nic and got banned again for saying. "He did it."

That was Clear-water who did the banning. She likes to ban :hat:

I never understood the part about number of posts--the part about going ballistic if even one was lost. Heck, I didn't even NOTICE the number of post thing for a while when I first started out (on then CTV message board.) Until posters either complained they lost a few, or even ONE number, or someone posted about a "newbie"--and how DARE someone with only a post or two under their belts express an opinion. Some posters were pretty paranoid about it--the "newbie" surely must be a troll, another new nic for someone the poster had trouble with, etc etc etc.

I do try to be well, tactful, I guess in my responses. Like concentrating on the content of the post, and not addressing whether or not I tho't the poster was nutcase or misinformed or whatever. I also try very hard to scroll on by posts that infuriate me, cuz answering could get me banned. And to not respond to bickering--heck, if they would all just IGNORE the whole bickering thing, it would stop @ the first post. But, no, there seems to have to be PAGES of posters telling each other to ignore, scroll on by, etc etc etc. Enough already!!!! "Ignore me if you don't like what I post." "Don't tell ME who to ignore." "I read your posts to see how an idiot thinks." " Don't tell ME what I think." "Where did I post I know what you think?" "Come on, guys, scroll on by." "Don't tell ME to scroll on by." Geeeesh!!!!! I know 5 y/o's who don't keep up the tit for tat as long as some ADULT posters do!!!:chicken:

Amy

06-02-2009, 01:53 PM

Isn't that strange.. when we can't smoke at work, or in restaurants or parties.. we do fine. Then bada boom! We make up for it, yes. Smokers are a strange breed. I'm polite smoker but I can get into it with those crusaders who think the whole world is on their program. I've had incidents outdoors with several people.

Once I was at a car rental place waiting for poppa to come outside with the keys to the rental while traveling.. and there was an upright cig dispenser out front. There was also a bus running with billowing smoke coming out the back muffler just a few feet from me. A man walked up to me and asked if I would mind not smoking because he didn't need second hand smoke in his face.

I won't tell you what I said to the freakaziod. :no:

We have smoking huts @ work. Now, you can get from the parking areas to the entrances without actually walking near enough to the huts to be bothered. But, no, there are some people who make it a point to walk as close to a hut as humanly possible without getting right in side who want to complain about the smoking. Now, GMAB!!!! Some people don't think they have to "go out of their way" to avoid the smoking. They KNOW where the huts are, and can certainly park in an area where they wouldn't have to walk right by them.

OTOH, there are many non-smokers who actually don't give a rat's patooty about someone else smoking. Many (many, many) years ago, the cafeteria @ work set up a "smoker's area"--the back tables. Actually, there were probably more smokers than non-smokers @ that time. Anyway, when a smoker tried to sit @ in the smoking area, there were times when no seat was available, because the other smokers' non-smoking friends wanted to sit w/the friend who did smoke!!!! Go figure!!!!

The next "approach" was to make a smoking room--down in the basement far away from any activity (kind of scary when you worked nights and made the trip by yourself!!!!) It was a smallish room, maybe 10 small round tables. Again, the smokers had a hard time finding a seat, because of the number of non-smokers who wanted to eat lunch or take a break w/their smoking friends!!!

Amy

06-02-2009, 01:56 PM

I had time today to,, mop the kitchen floor, clean the bathroom, vac the first floor, talk to my DD on the phone for an hour and now I have to go upstairs and ... clean the bathroom, vac the entire upstairs, dust and make the bed.
Lots of time, lots. I as thinking of going out for a walk but I have been looking at the sky and it's pregnant with rainstorms. I need a puppy. I need a massage and a facial.
This no smoke life is going to cost poppa.. I told him to get a night job.
;)

Not to throw a wet blanket on your move to smoke-free, but goodness gracious, Nawny, you were doing all this last week (in one morning) when you WERE smoking!!! lol And that was on your "do nothing" day!!!!

But, congratulations!!! It's really great that there are non-drug options available.

Amy

06-02-2009, 02:09 PM

Many years ago, when smoking was permitted @ meetings, we were conducting CPR classes. There was a fellow who worked for a dr who rented space in the hospital who attended one of the classes. He would say things like "If you don't smoke in my face, I won't fart in your face." A real class act, you could say. My sister worked in the same office, and this idjit was a real A hole.

Another time, there were buttons that said "kiss me, I don't smoke." They had a frog on them, and I am into collecting frogs. So I had one and crossed out "don't" and wrote "do." Mr Ahole rushed up to me and gave me a smack, then when I pointed out the change in the wording, I tho't he was gonna need to be carted off by the men in white coats, lol.

Not a smoking story, but....My sisters and I were having a garage sale. There were some company trucks rolling by, and one stopped an backed up. Mr Ahole had seen a bike helmet as he drove by, and marched in and said, "I want that helmet, but I won't pay more than $5 for it!!!!" I looked @ the price on the sticker--$1--took the sticker off and told him, no problem, $5 would be fine!!!! Some days, it just doesn't pay to be a pompous ahole!!!:biggrin:

I haven't seen Mr Ahole for years, but the memories do give me a good chuckle now and again.

Amy

06-02-2009, 02:18 PM

Today, my baby turned 19!!! He hasn't decided what he wants for his birthday, he hasn't even decided what he's gonna be doing. He doesn't have to work again til the last of the week--he says it's his boss' BD present to him!!! :eek: Maybe I will tell him the $20 I "loaned" him yesterday for a haircut is his present, lol. He does look a tad bit better with that thick mop cut off, to say nothing about he's surely gonna be more comfortable when the hot days are here!!!

DD will turn 21 in 16 days. I have always requested the kids' birthdays off, but didn't this time, cuz she had been talking forever about going out for her first (legal) drink. So, for the first time in 22 years (cuz I also didn't work the day she was born--just the night before, lol) I will not be off for her BD. Unfortunately, her BD is on a weekday, and she won't be "celebrating" until the weekend. So, I shoulda asked for it off, if nothing else to have some cake and ice cream. She wanted a bike for her BD, thinking she could work off some of the weight. My tho't was--well you have to actually RIDE the thing--but I didn't say it out loud. Now, she has changed her mind, wants some lawn furniture. Good thing I hadn't actually bought the bike yet!!! I'll wait until her BD, get her final request, and go with that, lol.

Amy

06-02-2009, 02:25 PM

Since I'm on a ramble.....:D

From the first BD of DD, my version of BD cake has always been a DQ decorated ice cream cake. I swear, my kids didn't know there were any other cakes!!! And, they always had whatever the kids were into--Little Mermaid, Superman, etc etc etc.

So, when the kids were 4 and 6, we moved here, 6 miles from the "city." Their baby sitter that first summer was a lady with 10 kids, most of them grown, but a whole passel of grandkids to take their place. She was a cook @ the schools, and a good one!!!

So, one day, we are driving into town and DD says "oh mom!!! Did you know you can make a cake in the OVEN??? Mary (the babysitter) COOKED a cake in the oven. Aunt Mary (my sis) could teach you how, mom!!!" I tho't I'd wreck the car!!! Then, I pointed out to her that a cake baked in the oven doesn't have any ice cream in it. Oh, she had an answer to that--you can even buy ice cream in a box!!!!

We continued with the DQ cakes. I KNOW how to bake a cake, it's just that the results aren't always edible. lol.

Amy

06-02-2009, 02:39 PM

I love how gullible little kiddlies can be.

Even way back when, cereal was pretty darn expensive. But there were "off" brands that wouldn't break the bank. DD and I were in the cereal aisle. Down @ the bottom were the less expensive brands. I remembered a tv ad where the people were down walking like ducks so as to see those. So, I just hunkered down and started duck walking along. DD was AMAZED that I could do that, and so chose cereal from the bottom shelves just to see me do that!!

For years, we ate the store brand, no added sugar. Even when we ate Cheerios, the real thing, we never added sugar. Then my nephew came to live in my basement--sugar was his friend. The kids found his stash of sugar (I wouldn't let him leave it on a regular shelf) and of course their friends were used to sugar, so eventually they got to where they couldn't eat cereal w/out sugar.

We also only had butter on our "awfuls" --the frozen kind you put in the toaster, of course ;. A sister was visiting and her daughter wanted to know where the syrup was. I tried to tell her she didn't NEED syrup, but her mom got some---and then my kids decided syrup was a must have. What a sticky mess!!!!

I drink Dr Pepper (well, diet DP now.) We were in Missouri, where it seems Dr Pepper wasn't served @ eating places. They did have Mr Pibb, tho. We were getting a meal and DD (probably 5 or 6 y/o) was fussing because there wasn't any DP. So, I said, we'll get Mr Pibb--he's Dr Pepper's cousin. When we got the drinks, she was SOOO excited, "mom, Mr Pibb must REALLY be Dr Pepper's cousin--he tastes JUST LIKE HIM!!!!"

Gotta love 'em---they can keep you laughing all day long!!!!

deacon

06-02-2009, 02:53 PM

Thank you deacon. You want to get me going on that subject..? Comere, sit down, bring a lunch, and cut a few hours out of your day. My rants on that subject are endless. But there's more.

Poppa's office in the city, on a well traveled main street offers views of drivers who stop at the traffic light in front of the building. Last week he stood on the sidewalk and watched a woman driver stopped at the red light, holding a lighter under a bottle cap that held (most likely) a nugget of dope.

Welcome to America in the big city.

I would say crack. My city isn't that big and that happens here. Other option would be meth. Both of them kill you pretty quick.

The worst place here is a street that is called Law Range. All the crook.. I mean lawyer's offices are there. During Christmas they all have "office parties" and invite the judges. If you sat at the corner and did tests most of them would be driving drunk. Problem is if a cop did that he would be fired the next day and all charges dropped.:flamemad:

Amy

06-02-2009, 02:58 PM

THat's adorable! LOL! I'm no baker either Amy. I just cook regular food.

LOL on "regular food." I can't even PRONOUNCE your regular food (altho, it always sounds delicious!!!!) Mariasella and poncetta and pasta this and fongool that. And this cheese and that spice and those herbs!!! That all sounds like exotic cooking to me. '

I'm from the farm. "Regular" food is 365 ways to cook hamburger, mac and cheese (which I never liked.) Plain ol' roast beef and potatoes (which I love.) Baloney sandwiches. Fried chicken (which I love.) All kinds of veggies from the garden. Things like that.

Growing up, a "salad" was lettuce w/french or thousand island dressing. "Dessert" was jello with whatever fruit matched the flavor in it. Or, jello pudding. There was so much jello pudding in a serving, I usually gave most of mine to Daddy who never turned down extra "dessert." Cakes were for birthdays. Pies were for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

When I first went off to college, I couldn't IMAGINE why they were putting the dessert with the salads @ the student union cafeteria, especially when other desserts were placed in another area. My new friends kindly informed me that most of the world put jello/fruit in the salad category, not dessert!!! :eek:

When salad bars first popped up around here, it took me YEARS to put more than maybe carrots in the lettuce. I just never was much into putting half a dozen different foods jumbled together with salad dressing!!!! It was forever before I could get into eating pizza--growing up, it was made from Chef BoyArDee-and that was NASTY tasting stuff, so figured all pizza was nasty. And, didn't get into eating Mexican food til I realized you could get it without the hot sauce!!!

They do laugh @ me @ work. I'll look over whatever people bring in to eat--a lot of it smells pretty good, but doesn't have much eye appeal to me, with all the things all mixed together!!! (God invented divided plates for a reason--the juice from the peas don't get into your potatoes that way!!!)

Amy

06-02-2009, 03:05 PM

Who loves Cesar Milan? NAWNY!!!!!!

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-265744

He had a good message, altho it was hard to follow, you know what I mean?

deacon

06-02-2009, 03:46 PM

Ahhh, a man after my own heart! Lawyers are the bane of our existance! We can put our rants together and make a 4 hour documentary. Bad stuff, bad!

Problem is, no one will listen. I can't figure that out for the life of me. Now I see in the news that Hummer has been bought by a chinese company. There goes that vehicle from bad to worse. I have dealt with chinese manufacturers before. Quality? What is quality?

One very big problem in washington right now is that the majority of them are lawyers. They plan loopholes in all laws to suit themselves and the people (crooks) the represent.

deacon

06-02-2009, 04:52 PM

Great fun stories LOL Yes Nawny i luv my name Beemer-I wish i could change it here. beemeup derived from my luv of the BMW-so if you would like to send me the new BMW Z4 roadster-I'm beeming :biggrin:

I could run down the road a way and get you one from the factory. They make the Z4 just down the road a piece.:cool:

shadydaisy

06-03-2009, 12:00 PM

K-indoor voice-if we ever get the boot your meatballs and I'm beemer. I remember u telling us how you picked your name. Anyone else care to share? I realize some explanations may give out private info-those who are good with it fess up :D

My grandfather and uncles called me Shady Daisy when I was a kid. No one like the name my parents gave me. Keep in mind I was born almost 50 years ago - no ultrasounds. For some unknown reason, my mother insisted she was having a boy, so no girl names were picked out. Surprise, surprise. My father's parents had only boys, and he wanted me named after several female relatives, who all had the same name. My mother decided she hated the name and just didn't name me. My original birth certificate lists my first name as Baby Girl. I was Baby Girl for almost 6 months, until my mother was watching a movie, and decided to name me after the actress. I ended up with a non-Catholic name, and it's really a nickname of a "real" name.

I never got a new birth certificate. Just a typed paper that said as of this day I was known as -. When I was a year old, my uncle who was a priest, said I needed a Catholic name. They then added a middle name. Back to records they go and I received another piece of paper adding my middle name.

Every time I have needed to show my BC I have carried along those ragged papers that indicate I do indeed have a name. For years it really wasn't a problem. People would just chuckle a little. After 9/11 laws were changed/passed and I could not get a NJ DL with my name on it because I did not have a BC with that name.

It took me three trips to Newark. They had no record of me named anything other than Baby Girl. Finally a nice gentleman said something to the higher ups and they gave me a new BC, with a name!

Aren't you glad you asked? LOL And people wonder why I have issues!

shadydaisy

06-03-2009, 01:31 PM

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Daisy that's awful!!!!!!!!! OMG! You poor little baby! ROTFLMAO!!!! No not funny, but your version of the story is incredible! We have a bit in common. I was girl number four. You know how that goes in the 50's with those fathers who had King Henry complexes. I was to be named Joseph. I'm Jo, how do ya doo?!

LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!!

And I have more chutzpa than the two brothers who followed, BTW... ;)

The name thing has carried on forever with me. When I went to Catholic school, 4 years old, the nuns told me they wouldn't call me by my first name and wanted to know what my middle name was. Since my mother hated my middle name she never even told me I had one. I was sent home with a note asking what my Catholic name was. I went back to school the next day at Patricia. I then became Patty....

Oh, and Daisy was a prostitute who worked the docks in NY, where my grandfather worked. Hence, Shady Daisy.

Amy

06-03-2009, 09:19 PM

My grandfather and uncles called me Shady Daisy when I was a kid. No one like the name my parents gave me. Keep in mind I was born almost 50 years ago - no ultrasounds. For some unknown reason, my mother insisted she was having a boy, so no girl names were picked out. Surprise, surprise. My father's parents had only boys, and he wanted me named after several female relatives, who all had the same name. My mother decided she hated the name and just didn't name me. My original birth certificate lists my first name as Baby Girl. I was Baby Girl for almost 6 months, until my mother was watching a movie, and decided to name me after the actress. I ended up with a non-Catholic name, and it's really a nickname of a "real" name.

I never got a new birth certificate. Just a typed paper that said as of this day I was known as -. When I was a year old, my uncle who was a priest, said I needed a Catholic name. They then added a middle name. Back to records they go and I received another piece of paper adding my middle name.

Every time I have needed to show my BC I have carried along those ragged papers that indicate I do indeed have a name. For years it really wasn't a problem. People would just chuckle a little. After 9/11 laws were changed/passed and I could not get a NJ DL with my name on it because I did not have a BC with that name.

It took me three trips to Newark. They had no record of me named anything other than Baby Girl. Finally a nice gentleman said something to the higher ups and they gave me a new BC, with a name!

Aren't you glad you asked? LOL And people wonder why I have issues!

Congrats on a birth certificate w/a name. Glad that gentleman was around to help. Some gov't agencies just make things that are simple, so difficult. And I find that non-gov't organizations do the same--but only because of stupid gov't regulations.

My Granny had a heck of a time getting Social Security. Seems the courthouse where her birth certificate had been (she was born in 1900, [I]we think, lol[I] had burned down @ some point. Guess way back when, bc's were kept locally? If they were ever placed in a central location (like here, all records are stored in Topeka) for these documents, possibly the court house had burned down prior to that. I don't know what the solution ever was, but she did get SS, so something was done.

Many years ago when I worked on a medical unit, there was an elderly gentleman whose name was Boy. First name. I think the same thing kind of occured--they didn't get around to naming him, so just went along with what was on the bc. It's been a long time ago, so don't recall the particulars, but I do think of him when parents can't decide on a name before they leave the hospital!!!!

Amy

06-03-2009, 09:32 PM

Over the years, I have heard Medical Record folks tell the parents--you HAVE to have a name for the bc before you can leave the hospital. After the person leaves, I usually tell them--like what are we going to do? Keep you all hostage here? The insurance company (or state) isn't going to pay for extra days, for pete's sake!!! And if the doctor dismisses them, the hospital can't charge for the extra time. I do encourage them that it is much easier to get the bc if they can come up w/the name before they are dismissed--mainly because the Medical Record department does all the paperwork for them. And, the paperwork is a lot of red tape that would choke a horse, for sure!!!

I don't care about Medical Records and any extra work it makes for them. Now, instead of them coming up to spend the time getting the bc ready, one person comes up, hands out the paperwork, tells them to call when they have it ready. Well, that means call the NURSE, because the MR person isn't going to come back for @ least 24 hours. Let the nurse explain what MR didn't bother with. "Oh, sorry, doctor, I can't help you with that delivery right now. Mr and Mrs Jones are trying to be dismissed, and I have to help them w/this paperwork!!!!" Or, what really happens is, "Sorry, Mrs Jones. I have to go to delivery, I will be back later (much later) to help you with that paper work." I'd find someone else to help, but the unit clerk has to stay @ the desk, and the nurse aide also has to help in delivery. The other nurses are tied up with their own patients--probably doing the bc paperwork.:mad:

Amy

06-03-2009, 09:48 PM

Okay, now we have Obama paying lip service to the Muslim communities trying to insure peace, or force feeding non muslims some understanding that they are not all bad. Lots of luck Obamy. We know they're not all bad.. so we will play nice, yep.

Then we have a Judge in Galveston arrested for sexual crimes.. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/03/judge.impeachment/index.html

Poppa just read out loud, that an Air Force recruiter in the next town (Cranston, RI) was selling drugs at the recruiting office.

All in one day!

Dick DeGuerin. I think I heard that name before, in some TX cases. Guess he is a "high profile" lawyer down there.

Both Kent and his lawyer, Dick DeGuerin, declined to appear at Wednesday's hearing. A statement from Kent accepted in the record said he was unable to travel to the hearing due to physical and mental problems. In the statement he admitted to nonconsensual sexual contact with the two woman, which he said may have resulted from difficulties in dealing with the death of his first wife and other issues.

Well, that doesn't excuse any other Joe Blow, why should it excuse this person? And, to think he says he will resign in June 2010--meanwhile he is spending his 33 months in jail, receiving his judge income (>$400 per day!!!!) FOR SITTING IN JAIL!!!! My goodness, I sure missed MY calling. Who else in the world would receive ANY money whilst sitting in jail? Anyone else would LOSE THEIR JOBS!!!!!

Oh, but doncha know--he would be penniless and have no insurance if they were to take away his income, his job. (is there a crying icon here? or the one with the fingers playing like a fiddle? Well, we need them!!!) Again, I dont know why he would get more consideration than anyone else. He is a bully, even by his own description of himself.

What I don't understand is, why the woman put up with his carp for 5 years (didn't read how long the other did.) She had choices--one was to turn him in. If she was too afraid to do that, then she should have quit her job, IMO. @ least, better late than never, I guess, to turn him in and get him off the bench.

deacon

06-04-2009, 05:38 AM

Dick DeGuerin. I think I heard that name before, in some TX cases. Guess he is a "high profile" lawyer down there.

Both Kent and his lawyer, Dick DeGuerin, declined to appear at Wednesday's hearing. A statement from Kent accepted in the record said he was unable to travel to the hearing due to physical and mental problems. In the statement he admitted to nonconsensual sexual contact with the two woman, which he said may have resulted from difficulties in dealing with the death of his first wife and other issues.

Well, that doesn't excuse any other Joe Blow, why should it excuse this person? And, to think he says he will resign in June 2010--meanwhile he is spending his 33 months in jail, receiving his judge income (>$400 per day!!!!) FOR SITTING IN JAIL!!!! My goodness, I sure missed MY calling. Who else in the world would receive ANY money whilst sitting in jail? Anyone else would LOSE THEIR JOBS!!!!!

Oh, but doncha know--he would be penniless and have no insurance if they were to take away his income, his job. (is there a crying icon here? or the one with the fingers playing like a fiddle? Well, we need them!!!) Again, I dont know why he would get more consideration than anyone else. He is a bully, even by his own description of himself.

What I don't understand is, why the woman put up with his carp for 5 years (didn't read how long the other did.) She had choices--one was to turn him in. If she was too afraid to do that, then she should have quit her job, IMO. @ least, better late than never, I guess, to turn him in and get him off the bench.

You see my sig? That is the problem. We, as a society, have taught somewhere around 2 generations and are still teaching them that the world is all about them.

This guy should be off of the bench. How can we trust a person who can not control his natural urges any better than that? We are not talking about a "habit" or a tendencey to drink too much.(the latter being enough in my mind to remove him from the bench, notice I said too much not, not at all)

Life is about decisions. We all make them every day. Some are good and some are not so good. When we are making decisions we have to take others into consideration. We can not make them thinking only about ourselves. Regardless of what shrinks have told us for years. To do so is to say "My getting what I want is more important than you are. Isn't that what casey said to Caylee? This guy made a decision that his "fun" was more important than a woman's right to chose with whom she has sex.

We must stop excuseing people who make this type of decision. After all, he is on the bench and will let the next SP go because he "understands" why he did it. That is one of the biggest piles of fertilizer I have ever heard. Blaming his breaking the law on the death of his wife is unexcusable.:flamemad::cuss:

deacon

06-04-2009, 05:41 AM

Those women sold out Amy huh? He had some serious clout and was probably keeping them in fear. I'd love to know how many people traded off some jail time for him to use their bodies. Stranger than fiction, that.

Judges seem to think they are god. I think we give them too much power outside and inside of the court room. Sentencing guidlines should be set. You do the crime, this is how much time you do. That would take out all of the excuses out of the trial.

I don't care, you made the decision, you live by the consequences.

deacon

06-04-2009, 07:53 AM

And another thing. This guy needs to live by the Golden Rule.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Society has messed up that rule and it is now "Do unto others before they do unto you." Wrong, if the judge claims to live by the Golden Rule then I guess he wants another man to rape him. And that is the true definition for sex that is not wanted by the other party. RAPE. As you may be able to tell, I have very no use for a person who does this to another human being.

And one more thing before I finish my "morning rant", leave the marital out of marital rape. Rape is rape it does not matter the relationship between the two parties.
*insert the sound of me stepping down off of soapbox*:flamemad:

shadydaisy

06-04-2009, 09:24 AM

Congrats on a birth certificate w/a name. Glad that gentleman was around to help. Some gov't agencies just make things that are simple, so difficult. And I find that non-gov't organizations do the same--but only because of stupid gov't regulations.

My Granny had a heck of a time getting Social Security. Seems the courthouse where her birth certificate had been (she was born in 1900, [I]we think, lol[I] had burned down @ some point. Guess way back when, bc's were kept locally? If they were ever placed in a central location (like here, all records are stored in Topeka) for these documents, possibly the court house had burned down prior to that. I don't know what the solution ever was, but she did get SS, so something was done.

Many years ago when I worked on a medical unit, there was an elderly gentleman whose name was Boy. First name. I think the same thing kind of occured--they didn't get around to naming him, so just went along with what was on the bc. It's been a long time ago, so don't recall the particulars, but I do think of him when parents can't decide on a name before they leave the hospital!!!!

I feel for Boy! My mother was born in Canada in 1935. The church recorded her birth via her Baptism. When she came to the US she was given a paper from the church saying that she was baptized on 12/7/35 but was born yesterday. And this was in French. She had a hard time convincing immigration that she was born on 12/6/35.

Both my kids were named well in advance of being born. I filled out their BC forms asap. I wasn't taking any chances.

deacon

06-04-2009, 09:47 AM

Great posts above folks. Sad to say that not much surprises us in the news these day's. Seems no black and white anymore-way too much gray. No wonder this generation cannot discern right from wrong. As long as you have an excuse and/or dollars one can pretty much buy their own defense today. Hey Deacon :seeya: We only played the front 9-shot a 52 which is pretty good for me at this stage. I got my drive straightened out-was pushing the ball. Turn the wrist a bit more DUH!!! LOL Drives were good,chipping prolly the best i have pulled off,putting was so NOT good. Nice dinner aft. a cold beer and off we went. A good day. I hope u can get out soon :beer:

Last time I went I had the oposite problem. All my drives were pulled to the left. Not hooked just pulled. I just got a new set of irons and couldn't figure out how far they were going to go. A lot of my approach shots were long. Where I was playing, long ain't good.

It is all black and white it is just society uses the "gray" excuse to justify what they do that is wrong. Personal resposibility, that is what it is about.

Also, too many people see rape as a "sex crime". It is a "power crime" little to do with sex. It is about having control over another person.

deacon

06-04-2009, 09:52 AM

I feel for Boy! My mother was born in Canada in 1935. The church recorded her birth via her Baptism. When she came to the US she was given a paper from the church saying that she was baptized on 12/7/35 but was born yesterday. And this was in French. She had a hard time convincing immigration that she was born on 12/6/35.

Both my kids were named well in advance of being born. I filled out their BC forms asap. I wasn't taking any chances.

We agreed that if our child was a boy, I would name him and if it were a girl my wife would name her. No one asked my what I was going to name him if it were a boy. Well, it came time to put the name on the paper and my inlaws and my mother were in the room with us. They all thought I would name him Jr. Boy did I suprise them. (although I was not trying to. I named him after my father inlaw and my father.(my dad had been dead for 6 years) My mom and my father inlaw lost it. But they were "happy" tears. When he was old enought to understand I told him where his name came from. It was to honor his two grandpas.

deacon

06-04-2009, 11:31 AM

For sure and what better way to use control and to continue to after a rape-devastate and violate in the worst way. Subject change. What kind of irons? I luv my driver-it was actually built as a back up for my son-since he really has not needed it i adopted it. Rest of my set is Titleist. Seem to be a good fit. You will get your irons figured out. Mine are still a guessing game a bit as it's early in the season. I do luv my 7 wood tho as so many times my 3 just is not working for me and i can rely on my 7. When my game is on i average 180-200 with my drives. I have hit 220 and i was thrilled. I am of small stature so pretty pleased with my distance. I do credit my driver tho :D

I have a set of Nike Victory Reds. I like them but I have to get use to the distance. They are at least one club long. Some are a little longer than that. I have an advantage, my son is the assistant manager of a golf store. He is also the fitting specialist. Only problem is I get a lecture everytime we play about what I am doing wrong.

Amy

06-04-2009, 11:45 AM

I assume your Mom was born in Quebec? I think the craziest name i heard was Stick-how sad is that. Then u have Frank Zappa who named one of his kids Moon Unit Zappa. Cant remember the other childs name. What a curse.

The names just get weirder and weirder by the day. We had a baby named Asia (we, as in, @ work, not we as in me and SO.) Named her after somebody on a soap opera. Then there was DeJa. I asked about that, seemed it was short for DeJa vue. ?????? Then there are weird spellings of more common (for these days) names. "I liked the name, just wanted it to be different from the way others spelled it."

You look @ the name, think it over in your mind, make a stab @ pronouncing it phonetically. Then, ask the parent--and how they can get that pronunciation out of that spelling sure does make you shake your head. I feel sorry for the tyke who will never, ever, have his/her name pronounced correctly by anyone but mom and dad.

When the most popular names (of the year, the decade, the century) are listed, it is nice to see that they are ALL regular type names, spelled in a way to be easily pronounced. Not a single Apple, Strawberry, Moon Unit amongst them. Even Cinnamon didn't ever make the most popular list.

Amy

06-04-2009, 11:49 AM

Amy

06-04-2009, 11:57 AM

We agreed that if our child was a boy, I would name him and if it were a girl my wife would name her. No one asked my what I was going to name him if it were a boy. Well, it came time to put the name on the paper and my inlaws and my mother were in the room with us. They all thought I would name him Jr. Boy did I suprise them. (although I was not trying to. I named him after my father inlaw and my father.(my dad had been dead for 6 years) My mom and my father inlaw lost it. But they were "happy" tears. When he was old enought to understand I told him where his name came from. It was to honor his two grandpas.

I named DS after my Daddy's nickname. His middle name included part of my Mom's name, altho I didn't realize it until one of my sisters pointed it out. He was the 10th grandson, and none of the others were named after him, not even middle names??? When it is mentioned to me, I do point out that they all had the option of including Daddy's name, but none chose it. I did, so leave me alone!!!!

deacon

06-04-2009, 12:18 PM

If ya ever get out to Arizona do a tour of Hot stix in Scottsdale-I call it Snottsdale LOl. You can watch the whole process from behind the glass. They are more than happy to show you around with just dropping in. If ya hang around and luck out you might run into some of the tour guys. We saw Aaron Baddley picking up his clubs and just missed somebody else-cant remember who off the top of my head.

The shop where my son works is on a driving range of the "rich and elite" here and there is a school there. The teaching pro who runs that school is Kevin Streelman's coach. My son met him at the tour event in Charlotte, NC. He also teaches several of the lesser known LPGA players and they are in and out of the shop from time to time. I love watching pros getting lessons. It makes one understand just why they are so good. One lady we watched was working from 7:00 in the morning until 5:30 in the afternoon there for a two week period. Practive makes perfect.

Oh, I will if I ever get out there. Some of those pros are great to meet.

deacon

06-04-2009, 02:20 PM

They sure are great guys and alot of em give back so much. Our son toured with IJGA his coach was Hugh Royer 111. Then Gary Gilchrest came in and alot of changes happened-Hugh and a number of other coaches left. It was a great experience and i got to do alot of travel with him. I luv the ethics and respect the game teaches-such hard work. The mental part of the game alone would take me down if i didn't just play for fun.

My son played Junior Golf with the JGA here. Almost made the state two years. He was pretty good. He is a lot better now. Just keep working on that putting game.

shadydaisy

06-04-2009, 02:44 PM

I assume your Mom was born in Quebec? I think the craziest name i heard was Stick-how sad is that. Then u have Frank Zappa who named one of his kids Moon Unit Zappa. Cant remember the other childs name. What a curse.

She was born in Valleyfield, Quebec. Still has some cousins who live there. I go and visit every now and then.

Here is Franks Zappa's kids names:
They had four children: Moon Unit, Dweezil, Ahmet Emuukha Rodan and Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen.

Amy

06-05-2009, 06:10 AM

Michigan girl found in the Raisin River with cement blocks. Nevaeh is now with Caylee and all the other little angels who had idiots for mothers.

I don't know that there is a thread for Nevaeh but this is a heart breaking story... though it seems to me that her sacrifice is to teach us something.

Have fun in heaven Nevaeh. :rose:

I was watching a bit of NG yesterday (Tues) and there were interviews with her mom. OMG!!!! OMG!!!! I can't believe I was hearing what she was saying!!!

I also caught some days ago, baby daddy mom vehemently saying Neveah would NEVER have been playing unsupervised, etc etc etc if she had been living w/them. I think Tues when someone asked dad about not having custody, he said he guess the courts pass custody from mom to grandmom--like, that is how it is usually done.

Which bring me to my question (and I do have one,) did dad try for custody? Did dad or his mom know about baby momma's choice of friends? And, if they did, did they do anything about it--I am pretty sure a judge would pull custody in a heartbeat if it was known a little child is around an SO. And, did mom's mom know about her choice of friends? Well, I guess that was more than just one question, huh?

I wanted to throw a few punches thru the tv screen, I can tell you, just listening to that .......person talk about how it was okay to have her daughter around an SO. Except the times she shouldn't be, and then she wasn't. That didn't make a lick of sense. And too bad that "mom" didn't understand that NEVER is when her little girl should have been around an SO. :flamemad:

Amy

06-06-2009, 02:54 AM

Good questions Amy! I heard the same things. I stopped listening. I resigned to my conclusion, that the mother was 100% responsible for that child's death. I couldn't process it any other way.

IMOO

I have since found the answers to some of the questions.

Baby daddy hadn't seen Neveah for 3 years, something about a dispute w/the family. Seems, tho, that seeing his child would be a priority @ some point. There was also mention about not paying child support, either. And, @ one point, he did know about the mom's choice of friends, but, don't know if that is just recently. I don't know if there was no communication, or just that he did not see Neveah for 3 years. But, nothing of what I read said anything about whether he had ever tried for custody or even visitation.

Also, the mom's (Jennifer) mom (Sherry) had custody of Neveah. And SHE knew the background of Jennifer's friend. Seems the stipulation was that Neveah was never to be ALONE with him. Which I guess is what Jennifer meant when she said, she (Neveah) wasn't ever around the friend when she wasn't supposed to be. I have a problem with the grandmother, then. It was HER house, AND she had custody of Neveah. She could have refused to let the man in HER house, and she could have insisted that Neveah was NEVER to be around the friend.

Jennifer says, well, you might be around sex offenders, and just not know it. I guess she doesn't get the point that little kids shouldn't be around them when they DO know it. But, it seems LE has determined this friend in particular didn't have anything to do w/her murder. But, sounds like he's gonna go back to prison for all the parole violations he's racked up. He said he might as well not fight it, because his po has been trying to get him back in prison for some time now. Guess he sees that as a personal vendetta of the po--and not that the po SHOULD have been trying to get him, for all the parole violations. Seems like he should have gone back some time ago.

Amy

06-06-2009, 02:38 PM

I wonder if any of you know how to get a live chat going for us. It would be fun! The next best thing to being on that deck at Cocoa Beach with our salads, and hagnog enjoying post and perimenopausal humor. (The funniest of all)

It had to be more than ten years ago I was a member of one. Everyone was funny and I got a great kick out of it. I have no idea how it came to be, I just followed directions and wella! I was there! I know the place had a name but don't know how one member got it going. It wasn't yahoo or anything like that. It was more involved and much more private. There were about ten of us and many nights we laughed till we cried. I loved it. I lost touch with those people... but it would be fun for us while we wait for the Ants to achieve the Academy Award for most unbelievable.

Anyone?

I may dare to investigate that option as soon as I find out what F2 on the keyboard stands for. ;) It might be in Caps lock.. Anyway, it's hiding somewhere.

When I first started on the computer (2001) MSN was the only place I was @--for me, just too confusing to try out and be involved in half a dozen places @ once. Anyway, under the communities or groups, there was the chat option. Unfortunately, it came to the place where you had to PAY to be a part of chat. And, I think, in just the last couple of years, they might have done away w/chat altogether? Don't know about what Yahoo or any of the others have to offer. Heck, I don't even know who "any of the others" are, lol!!!!!

Amy

06-06-2009, 02:49 PM

I hope someone does know how to do it beem. We always need comic relief after getting so into these creepy cases and I tend to get sad, which isn't good. There is enough sadness to go round, not enough laughter. I like live chat. Not that this place isn't fun, but we are starting to ween off. I don't want to lose touch with any of you. I feel like I know you in real time. lol!

Today I had to get going with the housework. I even did la la la (I'm stuttering) Laundry.. oh God how I hate it so..
I dusted, went over the kitchen cabinets with pine sol, changed the bed, and quit.
Oh, and I dropped the towel after my shower and used my foot to wipe down the exposed dusty floor on one side of the runner in the hall upstairs as I walked toward the stairs to come back down here. Then I threw the towel down the basement stairs so I can drag it to the washer next round. I'll do the other side of the runner tomorrow.

I did 25 minutes on the treadmill:hat: Now I'm going out in the yard to look at my drowned flowers. :seeya:

When you get my age, you'll understand. ;)

I only have to do up my scrubs--which I don't have to use until Thursday, as I have NINE days off!!!! :beer: DD and her bf have the washer/dryer today. I think DS did his laundry the other day (one load all the clothes in the world he has --he's 19) and don't know when his buddy did his.

BUT, the kids' niece is in need of some $$$ and wanted to know if she could clean house for me. OMG YES!!!!!! So, for $50 a room, she will clean the kitchen, utility, 2 baths and the front room. To be paid AFTER the work is completed. She doesn't have to complete the entire house to get paid, but I will pay her the $50 as she completes each room. An extra $25 for the bathroom where the kitty litter box resides.

I do need to clean up around the computer desk, take care of all the mail that has come in that I just set aside there. And, some of the stuff in the kitchen I have let go. Stuff that I need to deal with--easier to just get it done so she doesn't have to stop and ask me continually--what do you want me to do w/this?

Some years ago, Frank and Ruth used to come every Tuesday to clean. The kids HATED Monday nights, as that was when I would say, okay, pick things up, toys put away, clothes in the hopper, etc. "But MOM!!!! Frank's coming tomorrow!!!" Exactly!!!! Frank came to clean, not to pick up after us!!! I don't think they ever got it. I LOVED TUESDAYS!!!!!! Ahhhh, come in and sit down in a sparkling, cleaner than ever smelling place!!!!

If I had to choose the ONE thing I would want---it would be a housekeeper!!! I would actually not mind (so much) about the dishes and the laundry, but I would LOVE to have someone clean my house once a week!!!!

shadydaisy

06-06-2009, 07:40 PM

There is a way to get a private chat going. I'll research. I think whoever initiates the private room makes a password. They would then PM the password to who they wanted to allow in the private chat room. I'll check on Monday.

I really don't feel well since I went and had the special acupuncture thing done. I'm nauseous and my head hurts. I only want to eat Life cereal, which I don't even normally like, but now I crave it. It's not even 8:00 pm and I feel like going to bed.

Cigarettes taste like dirt. I garden, I know what dirt tastes like.

shadydaisy

06-06-2009, 08:00 PM

I just created a private room. If interested, PM me with your email address, and then I can officially invite you (via the site) to the room and send the password to you.

If we get set up we can then arrange a day/time.

I set the setting that no one can enter without an "invitation" from me. Which means we can't have anyone drop in - it's totally private and not open to anyone without an invite. I think (not sure) that once you have been invited/given the password, you could arrange to meet there without me initiating it.

Is this what you were looking for? This is a free site - no fee for anything.

shadydaisy

06-07-2009, 04:20 PM

While weeding I had a thought - To do the chat room I don't need your email address, that's just the way they have it set up to simplify things. If I send you the link and password via PM that would accomplish the same thing. I think the email alert just sends you the link.

If anyone wants to know how to do it for themselves, let me know.

DrewBerry

06-08-2009, 01:04 AM

LOL!!! Hey! I'm proud of you! ROTFL!!! About the Life cereal, yes I dropped two pounds since I went the first time, in one week! I didn't feel sick at all though...
When I went on Thursday I told him and he said,, ah, yes, it stops all cravings. I just told poppa I'm getting an urge to date someone else! Hah haa. he didn't laugh.

How many times do you have to go Shadey? I'm nearly smoke free. So far I am smoking four or five a day. He said that's habit not necessary. I find when I'm busy, and away from the computer, I just don't think of it. This is a miracle! Nothing ever worked for me.

I love the chat room idea. I'll PM you now. Thank you!!

Hey Nawny! Congrats for quitting the smoking! I used to work as a quit coach providing phone counseling, quit plans, etc. at one of our local hospitals. We provided behavioral health counseling and motivational interviewing with individuals on a national level. I'd get up at 4 am PST to make calls to clients on the east coast at 7 am. If you need support or tips or just to chat, let me know, send me a private message if you'd like. You're doing great! Do you find that talking to others helps? I'm proud of you. Took me several tries to quit years ago but it finally "sticks." Good for you!:beer:
DrewB

DrewBerry

06-08-2009, 03:42 PM

That's fantastic DrewB! I'm hoping this sticks for me. I Had zero faith in anything that would get me to stop. I had gone the gamut on everything available. It is a most incredible addiction. I am and have always been my own mentor. Growing up in the center of major dysfunction made me strong, yet these luscious little white sticks of tobacco owned me no matter what I did. I had pretty much resigned to being a smoker until Gator sent me the link to this auriculotherapy. I knew she did that because she wants me to stay healthy, she isn't on a stop smoking campaign. I met her in real life, and I have a lot of respect for her.

Then old_soul told me about it. If she could do it, hmm, I had to consider it. When I went for my first session, I told the acu Dr I was not hopeful and didn't expect results. LOL! But I did it anyway.

Yesterday I went to a Christening party and saw lots of friends. I got on my soap box about this, as they gathered outside to light up. I was on about the miracle I found. Some ignored me, some talked over me and then I lit up too. Just to be polite ya know? :shrug: (I carried them with me.) The Salem Full Flavor alter ego within still didn't take hold. I didn't smoke for the rest of the day. I didn't get the hit. This therapy is so amazing! Thank you so much for your offer. Hopefully we can communicate soon for better reasons! :) It is good to know you.

I hope you're getting settled in your new place and your life resumes with peace after all you've been through. I have a feeling it will. If you are still giving even when it seems there is no more to give, it sort of delivers you to the center of a good rainbow.

Thank you so much! :rose:

Hi Nawny! I'm at work right now so just had a min. to check in with ya! Sounds like you're doing great. Day by day, my dear. Reflect on your successes. I luv, luv, luv my new home! It's small but comfy. It's a 15 min. drive to work!!! I'm slowly returning to myself! My mother is an impossible human being. The distance is the best thing for me (an her). Wow! I'm even sleeping and eating again! Thanks for asking. See ya soon. :seeya:
DrewB

Amy

06-08-2009, 04:07 PM

Yep thats the ones Nawny. I luv just about everything-taken lately to going back to some of the classics-To Kill a Mockingbird most recently. I luv Ann Rule too have read her for years. Yes one can never have enough books. My parents were avid readers and that what we all did when we went to bed. I luved Nancy Drew as a kid-I so wanted to be her :beer:

Reading was always done by the whole family when I was growing up. Daddy and brother--their choice of reading were the encyclopedias!!!! Smart fellows, they are.

My very first book that was all my own (that I remember) was a Nancy Drew book bought w/$1.00 @ the annual Christmas program @ school. I was HOOKED!!! Whenever I got a dollar in my pocket (then $1.25 as the prices went up, lol) I begged to get to go to town w/mom to buy another!!! Then, I would take the book to the car and read, not caring a whit about the rest of the shopping trip. Mom made me shut the book while driving (don't want to harm the eyes) but I was usually finished by the end of the day. I read them over and over.

My most prized possessions are my books (and LP's ;)) I have the full set of Nancy Drew hardback by Carolyn Keene and whomever the other author was. I have a few of the newer ones that came out much later, but wasn't all that interested. I also have the original set of Trixie Beldon, and even some of the later paper backs of those. I have some Cherry Ames, and pick up any I can find. And all of Sue Barton. The books by Lousia May Alcott. Granny and I used to read Emily Loring, and between the 2 of us, we had all but one book. When she died, I got her share. I have a bunch of books about Kennedy, and the full Little House set. And took some of the books we had when I was a kid--they were just setting up @ the old house. And some sets of books when my kids were little.

I was ever so disappointed when DD did not have any interest in my books. I remember trying to read to the kids when they were little, but about 5 minutes and they were off to play. DD was 10 when she wanted me to start reading her some of the kids books. She could read them herself, but she was wanting what I tried to give years ago!!! Both kids read a lot now. They just have to be the right kind of books, of course. For some years now, I have been into the true crime books. The ones I have saved are the Ann Rule ones.

As I get to trying to "declutter" the books are the biggest issue. I do give a lot to the used paper back book store, even tho I get credit for just a few. Otherwise, if they don't sell @ a garage sale, the only other option is the trash, and I just cannot put a book in the trash!!! The store is now taking hardback, too, so every time I clean, I give as many as I can there. My collection dwindles ever so slowly. By the time I am dead and gone, hopefully the only books my kids will have to deal w/are the important ones above. Even then, they aren't interested in them. Wonder if they can sell them for a good price on eBay, lol.

Any time I moved, I had to move my books and records--SO thinks it's foolish, doesn't think I need them, etc etc etc. So, I never ask him to touch them during a move.

Amy

06-08-2009, 04:16 PM

Chilly and rainy here too Nawny-Sun is really trying to poke out. I dont believe the weather man anymore. I know it's a conspiracy to mess with my head :eek: I goofed-went for my teeth cleaning and was reminded by the receptionist my appt. is for the 18th and not the 8th. Oh Lordy. So i went shopping instead. Way more fun. I want the sun so i cant finish my book Breaking Dawn (4th book of the twilight saga) Then i will be sad cuz there will be no more Bella and Edward :( Especially Edward :(:(

It's cool here, but not really chilly. The sun is shining, and not clouds like we had yesterday. Skies looked really bad last night, but all the weather seemed to be from central to the east of the state.

One day I agreed to take a friend to an appointment 50 miles distant. My only concern was to get back home in time for my 4pm dental appointment. We were cutting it really short. I was holding my breath that I would make it in time. I burst into the office right about 4---for the receptionist to say another woman's name (she is new, hadn't gotten everyone straight yet.) I said, no, Amy. She looks and says, well, you're appointment is tomorrow @ 4. :eek: Then, there are the times when the phone rings and a receptionist from wherever will say, Amy, were you going to keep your appointment with Dr Whoosits today? :shrug:

BeastofBears

06-08-2009, 04:17 PM

I'll have to look it up but i didn't realize this story was 2008. She must have passed on by now. Sorry bout that i guess i forget what the hay year it is :shrug:

Last I heard she was still alive and kicking...I think she has a parole hearing coming up (as opposed to the compassionate release thing...). IMO, no compassion, no release. Ever.

BeastofBears

06-08-2009, 04:19 PM

Wow-cant seem to find anything stating she has passed. I guess she really is suffering a long painful death. Docs gave her 6 months back then. That was always one crime story that stuck in my brain.

My family lived in LA back then, I'm too young to remember, but my mom says they were all freaked down there. My scary freaky killer was the Nightstalker. There's a piece of work!

Hey Beemer, you're not accepting pms?

Amy

06-08-2009, 04:21 PM

I'll have to look it up but i didn't realize this story was 2008. She must have passed on by now. Sorry bout that i guess i forget what the hay year it is :shrug:

Nope, she hasn't passed on. Coincidentally, I have been following another release request on the InSessions Board. Seems Ms Atkins HASN'T died of cancer yet, and has again asked for compassionate release. It has also been denied. But an article does say she is up for her regular parole hearing Sept 2.

shadydaisy

06-08-2009, 04:22 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25692507/

I hope it is much more painful and terrorizing than it was for Sharon Tate as she begged for her life and that of her unborn child. Karma.

Double that.

Last I heard she was still alive and kicking...I think she has a parole hearing coming up (as opposed to the compassionate release thing...). IMO, no compassion, no release. Ever.

I can't find anything about her death, either. She's married to her lawyer - what's that all about? Yuck.All.Around.

Gatordog

06-08-2009, 07:55 PM

I'm thinking more and more about being more than a Nawny, Momma, daughter, sister. And, I'm thinking more and more about Cocoa Beach :) Let's rock and roll Beemer! Ya never know, we might just get to meet on the deck of that condo... life is funny that way :) I think women in their 40's and 50's are the most fun! Especially when they get together and have that pretty drink! lol!

Okay, who's in? :hat:

We should do it during the trial. How great would it be to watch it on a big screen TV, drinking mai tais and taking breaks on the beach! by then we will need a widescreen Tv for the liar's butt.

Gatordog

06-08-2009, 07:59 PM

BeastofBears

06-08-2009, 08:53 PM

Wonder if Liar is hoping for some sort of the same union? I guess thats not very repectful of me especially toward Mrs. Bozo :punch:

I've not noticed that he is wearing a ring anymore...so she may not mind...

BeastofBears

06-08-2009, 09:20 PM

Good catch-I think i just figured out who you are-I wondered where you went. :beer:

LOL! How do you think I knew about the no pms thing? I tried...! :seeya:

eta: still won't take 'em, silly computers! I bet changes like that don't take until they reset the server, but yes, you are correct.

BeastofBears

06-08-2009, 09:34 PM

PM away

:seeya: Still no acceptance. I'll try later. Sorry the weather is biting up there! I remember one time we went to Muskoka and it was cold and overcast the whole week, thunderstorms and everything. There was even, we think, a tornado, because there was a weird wind that blew this huge tree down onto all of us when we were sitting around a fire drinking beer. Okay, it was exciting for a California girl!

Justice Denied?

06-08-2009, 10:17 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25692507/

I hope it is much more painful and terrorizing than it was for Sharon Tate as she begged for her life and that of her unborn child. Karma.

I guess I am soft hearted, but I think they should release her. The girl was 23 years old and high on drugs as well as brainwashed by Manson when these crimes occured. She's been in prison longer than she was alive on the outside. When she is this near death, what is it going to hurt to show a little compassion?

BeastofBears

06-09-2009, 01:43 AM

I guess I am soft hearted, but I think they should release her. The girl was 23 years old and high on drugs as well as brainwashed by Manson when these crimes occured. She's been in prison longer than she was alive on the outside. When she is this near death, what is it going to hurt to show a little compassion?

I just feel like when someone brutally takes another life or lives, they don't really deserve to ever be comfortable again...Sometimes choices made, even young, should destroy someone's life. She's gotten to live longer than that baby did...but you are a more compassionate person than I am, and I certainly won't say you're wrong for it. I don't wish her suffering, but I think she should serve a full life sentence. jmo.

BeastofBears

06-09-2009, 01:46 AM

It's Cindy Anthony! She's controlling the weather for lack of anything else to control. It go cold here today too. It's not June. Someone has abducted us and we're not here.

Was that the stupidest post ever? It was, I know it was.

And again I ask...how's that Global Warming working out?hahahahaa...I know I should link it but its late...the sun is in its weakest recorded phase since 1928. It is going to be one cold summer! Somebody feed those sheep! They need to make MORE methane! I think I will go fire up the Fairlane to do my part in warming us up...

Marian Paroo

06-09-2009, 03:43 AM

I guess I am soft hearted, but I think they should release her. The girl was 23 years old and high on drugs as well as brainwashed by Manson when these crimes occured. She's been in prison longer than she was alive on the outside. When she is this near death, what is it going to hurt to show a little compassion?

I don't think you are soft-hearted, which is a phrase that I abhor, but more compassionate than most, including myself.

I remember those crimes well. I was actually here on a visit (I was 14.5 and still living in the USA) at the time, and read about it in the Jerusalem Post (at that time an international level newspaper).

Had that night not happened, I wonder how long after the birth of the child would Polansky have tired of Tate and switched her for a younger model...

BeastofBears

06-09-2009, 12:42 PM

LOL!LOL!LOL!!! Haaa!!!

Ooo, what year is the Fairlane? Is it older than me?

Nope...it is a 1965 Ford Fairlane 2 door coupe with a 289 and 3 on the tree. I love my Millenium Fairlane! The hubby however, not so much, no taste, I tell you! He was so appalled when I blue-booked it and told him it was worth more than HIS car!

It's sat for a while, so I need to baby it into starting. Then fix the ding in the bumper, then I'm going to put flames on it! heehee. Then he'll really be appalled!

deacon

06-09-2009, 01:06 PM

Nope...it is a 1965 Ford Fairlane 2 door coupe with a 289 and 3 on the tree. I love my Millenium Fairlane! The hubby however, not so much, no taste, I tell you! He was so appalled when I blue-booked it and told him it was worth more than HIS car!

It's sat for a while, so I need to baby it into starting. Then fix the ding in the bumper, then I'm going to put flames on it! heehee. Then he'll really be appalled!

That is a classic. Someone needs to get you on Overhaulin.

BeastofBears

06-09-2009, 01:51 PM

That is a classic. Someone needs to get you on Overhaulin.

Yeah, that's the ticket! That'll put a thorn under the hubby's saddleblanket...I'll get rid of the Fairlane when he burns his "Mr. Zog's Original Sex Wax" surfboard wax t-shirt.

The other day he was complaining that the 3 year old was running away from him in the store, and he thought people were looking at him funny when he gave chase. I looked at him. Yes. He was a man alone chasing a screaming toddler while wearing a shirt that said "Sex Wax" on it...he's lucky no one made the phone call!

(PS-I still wouldn't get rid of the Fairlane. I lied! I once cracked 120 in it on a closed road...)

shadydaisy

06-09-2009, 02:37 PM

I don't think you are soft-hearted, which is a phrase that I abhor, but more compassionate than most, including myself.

I remember those crimes well. I was actually here on a visit (I was 14.5 and still living in the USA) at the time, and read about it in the Jerusalem Post (at that time an international level newspaper).

Had that night not happened, I wonder how long after the birth of the child would Polansky have tired of Tate and switched her for a younger model...

I spent a lot of time studying Charles Manson and the impact he had on society while college. Criminal Psychology makes you cover this kind of thing. Anyway, Polansky pre-Sharon's murder and post murder are two different people. Not making excuses for him, but he never stabilized after her death and the death of their son.

Sharon's mom was instrumental in changing CA law to allow the victim's family to attend and testify at parole hearings. She has since died of breast cancer, Sharon's sister now attends all parole hearings. This case is too high profile for the killer to get out on a compassion plea. Much more likely to occur on a lesser known case, and even then, highly improbable.

deacon

06-09-2009, 03:17 PM

Yeah, that's the ticket! That'll put a thorn under the hubby's saddleblanket...I'll get rid of the Fairlane when he burns his "Mr. Zog's Original Sex Wax" surfboard wax t-shirt.

The other day he was complaining that the 3 year old was running away from him in the store, and he thought people were looking at him funny when he gave chase. I looked at him. Yes. He was a man alone chasing a screaming toddler while wearing a shirt that said "Sex Wax" on it...he's lucky no one made the phone call!

(PS-I still wouldn't get rid of the Fairlane. I lied! I once cracked 120 in it on a closed road...)

Thanks for the laugh with the t-shirt thing. Now I need to clean my keyboard. Diet Pepsi isn't good for them. Seriously, that thing could be worth a good bit if you find the right person, if it were for sale. I like the '65 but the '64 was my favorite.

Amy

06-09-2009, 05:27 PM

I spent a lot of time studying Charles Manson and the impact he had on society while college. Criminal Psychology makes you cover this kind of thing. Anyway, Polansky pre-Sharon's murder and post murder are two different people. Not making excuses for him, but he never stabilized after her death and the death of their son.

Sharon's mom was instrumental in changing CA law to allow the victim's family to attend and testify at parole hearings. She has since died of breast cancer, Sharon's sister now attends all parole hearings. This case is too high profile for the killer to get out on a compassion plea. Much more likely to occur on a lesser known case, and even then, highly improbable.

I just spent the afternoon on a board looking up all the links an utubes on well, mostly Atkins' hearings. I found out that mom Doris Tate died in 1992. Sister Patti, who seemed to be the youngest, took up her cause and died in 2000 of breast cancer. Dad Col Paul Tate died in 2005, and on one board, there was some rancor going on about the last survivor--Debra. She took over going to parole hearings--I don't know if that was after Patti died, or after the Col died--or whether he was ever involved in going to the hearings.

Anyway, there seemed to be some trouble between Debra and @ least her Dad. Very interesting reading. Some things I knew, some I didn't. Like Doris Tate being the first family member to testify @ a parole hearing in CA and the law that her efforts changed. I was an 18 y/o farm girl in the middle of no-where and the fall out of the murders didn't have as much an effect here as on the west coast.

What I have found out is: the parole board could not get together @ this time, and the compassionate release hearing will be in Sept. I tho't 2nd, but one source says 6th.

Amy

06-09-2009, 05:32 PM

Thanks for the laugh with the t-shirt thing. Now I need to clean my keyboard. Diet Pepsi isn't good for them. Seriously, that thing could be worth a good bit if you find the right person, if it were for sale. I like the '65 but the '64 was my favorite.

One thing I have learned about @ least the Diet Dr P type drinks, would imagine it would be the same w/most diet drinks. No sugar--no sticky mess!!! Spilled some in my (new to me) Explorer, couldn't get to it right away. By the time I stopped and could deal w/it, I was amazed that it wiped up just like plain ol water!!! Of course, plain ol' water isn't good for a keyboard, either!!!!

BeastofBears

06-09-2009, 05:42 PM

Thanks for the laugh with the t-shirt thing. Now I need to clean my keyboard. Diet Pepsi isn't good for them. Seriously, that thing could be worth a good bit if you find the right person, if it were for sale. I like the '65 but the '64 was my favorite.

I like the '64 too. I'd been looking for a '64 Falcon, since I knew I couldn't afford a Mustang (the first car I ever bought was a 66 mustang), and ran into a classified ad for this...I fell in love when I saw it. I really like the shark shaped nose...and the engine is so easy to work on. I've had it for about 10 years now, used it for a daily driver for 5 of those, and now it needs to be brought back to snuff...

For non-motorheads out there it looks like this: http://i39.tinypic.com/2wod4z7.png (Not mine, but just like...) Worth the work, huh?

BeastofBears

06-09-2009, 05:56 PM

To our Archaeologist/anthropologist friend. I wonder if you know or have seen in your studies the answer to a very old question. ( I would think it is old anyway.)

As we evolve as human creatures/creators.... are we all evolving at the same level? I mean, for instance, are there certain groups, such as, Indians, Asians, Europeans, Mid Eastern cultures in existence that are on different levels of evolution all at once? Did I say that right? I always wanted to ask an anthropologist that question.

While driving to the no smoke guy for treatment today I heard a song on one of my CD's (a nawny creation) called, "Color's of the Wind" I know that song is about nature and an Indian's take on what we do to it. I thought to myself, "They know more."

To make a long story short, AMHs, or anatomically modern humans appeared so recently (relatively speaking) that yes, everyone is at the same point. There actually is no such thing as race when it comes down to it. What you have is natural selection creating differences in local adaptation, for example, nearer the equator, people have darker skin to protect from UV rays, while toward the poles you have lighter skin to absorb more UV for vitamin D production. When you see exceptions to that rule, its due to migration. People have always moved around more than they are given credit for...and in any case, people are just people. The extinction of certain woodpeckers in California when their scalps were used to make capes that were briefly in vogue. All gone...human nature...greed is just expressed differently in different cultures.

Amy

06-09-2009, 06:11 PM

I like the '64 too. I'd been looking for a '64 Falcon, since I knew I couldn't afford a Mustang (the first car I ever bought was a 66 mustang), and ran into a classified ad for this...I fell in love when I saw it. I really like the shark shaped nose...and the engine is so easy to work on. I've had it for about 10 years now, used it for a daily driver for 5 of those, and now it needs to be brought back to snuff...

For non-motorheads out there it looks like this: http://i39.tinypic.com/2wod4z7.png (Not mine, but just like...) Worth the work, huh?

Me too!!!! Only, I can't remember if it was '65, '66, or maybe even '67. I bought it right after I graduated nursing school. The guy I bought it from was my age, and we graduated high school in '68, so I'm pretty sure it was one of those years. Got rear ended big time, and it just never was the same after that. My Bro had a red one sitting in the folk's yard for 20 or more years. Just got to thinking, it's been gone the last couple of times I was there. Any number of the nieces and nephews had asked to buy it from him, but he wouldn't do that, was afraid that the others would be mad @ him. :shrug: So, it sat there and sundried and rotted away. :mad:

Gatordog

06-09-2009, 06:12 PM

That's the other side of the coin JD. Though your opinion is not popular, you have the right to have it. I don't think you're alone with it. :) At This point I say, what's the difference, she's toast anyway? But if they let her go, it gives the system a jolt. Even if the system lets her go, she's already paying via her own soul.

No free lunch for creatures capable of that kind of inhumane action, whether it be punishment by man, or punishment by way of thier own means. IMO. She is killing herself via the installment plan. I'm sure everyone understands your thinking. :) She's harmless at this point. :shrug:

When rigor sets in, they can let her out. No one gave the victims any breaks.

Gator

deacon

06-09-2009, 06:43 PM

I like the '64 too. I'd been looking for a '64 Falcon, since I knew I couldn't afford a Mustang (the first car I ever bought was a 66 mustang), and ran into a classified ad for this...I fell in love when I saw it. I really like the shark shaped nose...and the engine is so easy to work on. I've had it for about 10 years now, used it for a daily driver for 5 of those, and now it needs to be brought back to snuff...

For non-motorheads out there it looks like this: http://i39.tinypic.com/2wod4z7.png (Not mine, but just like...) Worth the work, huh?

That age car of that type is really hard to find. The'64 Falcon was great. The one '64 Fairlane that I saw once but couldn't afford one of the hub caps was called a Thuder Bolt Jr. It came from the factory with a 425 horse, 427 CI engine and aluminum fenders. It was put on the market so that Ford could drag race it in the stock classes. True Muscle Car

shadydaisy

06-09-2009, 08:33 PM

Yes I remember reading about Sharon's sister. She's the cog in the wheel. I saw a video of her speaking about the parole hearings and how difficult it was to sit there and listen to Atkins blather on about her horrible crime and the guilt spittle about her poor self.

Ya know SD, there was a time I was worried about my passionate interest in these kinds of nightmarish cases. Mu asked a good question the other day here about why women seem to want to analyze these kinds of cases (Casey Anthony) and others like it. Coincidentally, yesterday while I was on the treadmill and had the TV on, I channel surfed and there it was, that program called "Inside the minds of killers." OF COURSE I had to watch it.

Several spokesmen clearly defined our human obsession with crimes like this. One said, (and I'll paraphrase) "This kind of decadence has been ongoing since man began. The fact that humans can destroy others this way is what concerns us. We know this ability to massacre other humans is well known and has appeared even in fairy tales like, Hansel and Gretal. The main character in that tale was able to dispose of two children by throwing them into an oven full of fire. That speaks volumes to the capacity for murder and to the human condition in our world. Of course there is Snow White who was poisoned. Humans have always been extrmely interested in following these stories.

The most famous killer in history was Jack the Ripper. He was no less horrible than any serial killer today, such as Bundy, Dahamer, Son of Sam, The Boston Strangler, Manson, and more.

We are fascinated for many reasons, one of them is too disturbing to mention. As the BTK killer wrote in one of his letters to the police, "I have the X factor which makes me kill. How many more times do I have to kill before I can get my story in the paper?" He wanted public attention, nothing more. His profile made no sense. He was not troubled as a child and served his community and his country. Of course this makes us curious and frightens us.
Are we sitting next to this in church?

The program went on to say more about mankind's x factor and I for one, want to know why it still lives in people. On this side of the fence (thank God) I'm sure this subject will always lure me in to the study of people like Charles Manson and Atkins, Casey A, Cuey (sp)and so many others who find lives of innocent children dispensable. They are people I love to hate.

May all the children now angels, RIP :rose: I am sad for their sufferings.

Some of us are just more interested in what drives a person to do these heinous crimes against other people, particularly strangers. Ted Bundy always fascinated me - good looking guy, nothing to make you suspicious, and that's why he got away with murder after murder for so long. Well, that and the fact that at the time LE did not have an effective way to communicate with one another in different States.

There is a difference between people who kill people they know (family or friends), and people like the BTK killer and Bundy who seemingly pick people to kill. Like Atkins, how do you kill a pregnant woman, who is begging for her life, for no reason?

deacon

06-09-2009, 08:44 PM

Some of us are just more interested in what drives a person to do these heinous crimes against other people, particularly strangers. Ted Bundy always fascinated me - good looking guy, nothing to make you suspicious, and that's why he got away with murder after murder for so long. Well, that and the fact that at the time LE did not have an effective way to communicate with one another in different States.

There is a difference between people who kill people they know (family or friends), and people like the BTK killer and Bundy who seemingly pick people to kill. Like Atkins, how do you kill a pregnant woman, who is begging for her life, for no reason?

Evil, the absence of good. It is in all of us in different ways. We seem to put so much emphasis on murder and at times belittle other violent crimes. By violent I do not mean physical violence all of the time. It can be verbal or mental violence. Sometimes this type of violence can acctually be just as bad or sometimes worse.

I think it has to do with the part of us that makes decisions. Years ago it was thought to be the heart but we have since learned that is the brain. Each of us, no matter what we have been through or how we were raised, have the ability to make decisions. It ends up being the choices we make. Any of us, if we make the wrong choices, can be a killer. Any of us, if we make the correct choice can do what is good for people.

Too many people put too much importance in where a person was raised and the hardships they have gone through to give excuses for the decisions people make.

We all have the ability to make the right decisions. Some of us just don't put out the effort to make those decisions and stick to them. MOO

shadydaisy

06-09-2009, 09:02 PM

When rigor sets in, they can let her out. No one gave the victims any breaks.

Gator

Gator, you and I agree. Here's the latest news I could find http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-manson-follower6-2009jun06,0,5682297.story She's receiving the same compassion she displayed when she murdered a pregnant woman.

How is Gatordog, the dog, doing?

shadydaisy

06-09-2009, 09:11 PM

deacon said Too many people put too much importance in where a person was raised and the hardships they have gone through to give excuses for the decisions people make.

This drove me absolutely nuts when I was at the DOC. It was never anyone's fault. It was the neighborhood, father/no father, mother/no mother, you get the idea. Why does one kid from the household make good? One decides they will go to school and try to get out of the situation they are in. One looks around and sees what drugs and violence have done to their family and friends.

deacon

06-09-2009, 09:26 PM

I think the one serial killer that i found so out of the norm was BTK. It's just so unusual to spree and then remain quiet for so many years. Usually when the spree starts it turns into a frenzy. I think Sandra Cantu's murderess will be considered off the charts of any profile. I hate to think it can get any worse.

Radar was the ultimate control freak. He did not make the proper decisions either. You see, there is a little control freak in all of us. Just in different areas of life. His was the ultimate, the control over life and death. All of the killings he did were totally about control over when another died. The reason he stopped and started is that he had a very active "fantasy life." He also was one who took pictures of his victims and collected "momentos" of his killings. He could look at the pictures and momentos and relive the moment of the killing in his fantasy for quite some time.

When caught, he was on the verge of killing again. The pictures and momentos had lost some of their power over the years. He also was working as a Codes Enforcement Officer and his power/ego trip was somewhat satisfied through that too. Interesting enough he failed the psyc. test as part of trying to become a police officer. Probably because he was a control freak. What he wanted and when he wanted it was his driving force.

deacon

06-09-2009, 09:27 PM

deacon

06-09-2009, 10:00 PM

Excellent points deacon he still catches my interest and all very plausible points u make. He was a very organized killer. I guess what catches my interest(for lack of better words) is that so many start out organized but then the frenzy and the need takes over. Usually the trophies and fantasy are not enough at that point. What makes him different? Very interesting to say the least.

Luck for one thing. Lots of people thought he was really smart. Turns out he was just lucky. He never really showed a frenzy. A frenzy killer usually starts out fast and gets faster. There was some time between all of his kills. The ability to go so long I think was more about him being more simple minded. Didn't take much for him to be satisfied with his fantasies.

deacon

06-10-2009, 05:28 AM

Perhaps that is the reason. Having said that still so unusual. Annoying as hay to listen to in court methodically go thru each of his kills. So typical and not surprising his flat affect not typical how he at times re-assured or comforted his victims. Then again how do we really know he speaks the truth.

I would not trust some of what he says. The whole reason he took the guilty plea was so he could be in the limelight once again. He is an egomaniac to boot. It has to be all about him. He wants to have his name "up in lights" as much as he can.
Edited to add: I really think he may have killed some more people in the time when he said he was inactive and the kills just didn't go as planned so he won't take credit for them. There were several he really didn't want to take credit for because they didn't go smooth. There goes that ego again.

Marian Paroo

06-10-2009, 06:37 AM

deacon

06-10-2009, 08:21 AM

Interesting that both of these two were active within religious frameworks.

Wonder what kind of subjects Cantu did for the Sunday School lessons that she gave.

One was hiding behind religion (radar) and I really believe the other had it forced on them. You see, it isn't about religion. It is what dwells within.

BeastofBears

06-10-2009, 11:31 AM

That age car of that type is really hard to find. The'64 Falcon was great. The one '64 Fairlane that I saw once but couldn't afford one of the hub caps was called a Thuder Bolt Jr. It came from the factory with a 425 horse, 427 CI engine and aluminum fenders. It was put on the market so that Ford could drag race it in the stock classes. True Muscle Car

Oh, yeah, I know those! I actually just saw a video on youtube of a 427 racing. That thing went full airborne off the mark. It made my heart pound...So few of those were made! They are a treasure. The solid steel of mine keeps it safely on the ground...

old_soul

06-10-2009, 11:33 AM

Hey you busy ladies! This mama is slowly climbing back on the bandwagon, looks like I have so much catching up to do! I'll post a nice recipe for good cookies to go with that al-co-hol beemer, until we get a doc dump, between the cookies and alcohol, it'll keep us busy, yes?

Nawny, so proud of you, working that treadmill and minimum ciggies, Yo Go, Girl! Never got to PM shady, my back's been really bad..how is she doing, do you know? I'll check later if I can sit here long enough to post awhile. This time around, my right side and leg have been affected, just to look at the skin HURTS, so my nerves are inflamed that connect to those areas. Plus the back killing me..oof, it's been a month since this started up again, was supposed to get surgery in two spots, but I know others who have had it and I don't want to take a chance (to have problems like that also). Thank goodness for meds, I'm hanging in there.
beem, I'm jealous as all he** you relaxing your aSs like that, with warm weather to boot! Awwwwwww.

This recipe is for Laci's Lavender Cookies, given to us by Sharon Rocha. It's a small recipe, but they are Good! :)

Laci's Lavender Cookies

5/8 cup butter
1/2 cup white sugar
1 egg
1 tablespoon Lavender flowers
1 1/2 cup all purpose flour

Cream butter and sugar. Beat egg and blend into butter and sugar. Mix in lavender flowers and flour ~ drop onto cookie sheet.

350 degrees 15 min or until lightly golden.

His family also put out there a recipe for these, don't know if it is the same..they probably stole her recipe book so Jackie could try to cook like Laci did......:cool:

(thanks Laci :rose:)
Nevaeh :rose:
Kaleb :rose: thinking of the little man...........:(

Not forgetting you, deacon....Howdy! :)

BeastofBears

06-10-2009, 11:35 AM

Evil, the absence of good. It is in all of us in different ways. We seem to put so much emphasis on murder and at times belittle other violent crimes. By violent I do not mean physical violence all of the time. It can be verbal or mental violence. Sometimes this type of violence can acctually be just as bad or sometimes worse.

I think it has to do with the part of us that makes decisions. Years ago it was thought to be the heart but we have since learned that is the brain. Each of us, no matter what we have been through or how we were raised, have the ability to make decisions. It ends up being the choices we make. Any of us, if we make the wrong choices, can be a killer. Any of us, if we make the correct choice can do what is good for people.

Too many people put too much importance in where a person was raised and the hardships they have gone through to give excuses for the decisions people make.

We all have the ability to make the right decisions. Some of us just don't put out the effort to make those decisions and stick to them. MOO

For me, Steven Staynor and Cary Stayner were the ultimate examples of that. Steven made the right decision after being in the worst possible circumstance, and Cary made the worst decision in the absence of that...

deacon

06-10-2009, 11:36 AM

Oh, yeah, I know those! I actually just saw a video on youtube of a 427 racing. That thing went full airborne off the mark. It made my heart pound...So few of those were made! They are a treasure. The solid steel of mine keeps it safely on the ground...

When I was young, dumb and single, I had a '70 model LS-5 Corvette. 454 CI rated at 390 horses. (That was the old rating numbers, now they say if they had told the truth they would be closer to 450 horse. 500 ft./lbs of torque at 3200 rpm. That sucker would fly. I saw it do 140+ and had gas pedal left. Loved that car. Had to get rid of it before it killed me.

BeastofBears

06-10-2009, 11:42 AM

I thank you. Hmmm simple answer to a complex question. So you're saying we are all conditioned according to environment?

I get rather concerned when I realize the Egyptians knew how to embalm the dead before we did. So that's because in America we are still babies, kinda sorta. I just hit my forehead with the heel of my hand. Duh. :o

Can you tell I hated school?

No, many cultures have rules based on the local environment, but in many ways it is independent. It is a complex relationship. One pattern I have noticed is you tend to have the most organized cultures ("civilizations") in the most challenging climates. Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Valley of Mexico, Peru...all of these are hard places to live, yet that is where "civilizations" flourished. Yet for example California, which was a garden full of water and easy access food, had a hunter/gatherer society.

Humans flourish under pressure, imo.

BeastofBears

06-10-2009, 11:51 AM

When I was young, dumb and single, I had a '70 model LS-5 Corvette. 454 CI rated at 390 horses. (That was the old rating numbers, now they say if they had told the truth they would be closer to 450 horse. 500 ft./lbs of torque at 3200 rpm. That sucker would fly. I saw it do 140+ and had gas pedal left. Loved that car. Had to get rid of it before it killed me.

Wow, wow! *sigh* It's so hard being a grown-up. I know I can't drive the kids in the Fairlane. My husband does have a reasonable point. But, but, I love the car! He wants me in a minivan. I think that might break me. I tolerate my bug as the family car because it has a tight engine and a stick shift...but I think that is as far as I can go! If I had an automatic minivan, I might as well be a Stepford wife!

BeastofBears

06-10-2009, 11:57 AM

Yee Haw :beer:

Well, that'll save a trip to the LCBO! (My bil's could not believe we can just buy booze at Safeway!)

I highly recommend Whaler's Dark Rum...it is not pricey, but it is thick and rick and sweet, so much my favorite!

deacon

06-10-2009, 11:58 AM

Wow, wow! *sigh* It's so hard being a grown-up. I know I can't drive the kids in the Fairlane. My husband does have a reasonable point. But, but, I love the car! He wants me in a minivan. I think that might break me. I tolerate my bug as the family car because it has a tight engine and a stick shift...but I think that is as far as I can go! If I had an automatic minivan, I might as well be a Stepford wife!

Get a Chryler...

With a Hemi!!! Not a new one, the old 426/425 horses. Get him to agree with that!

old_soul

06-10-2009, 12:17 PM

Get a Chryler...

With a Hemi!!! Not a new one, the old 426/425 horses. Get him to agree with that!

That's my baby, deacon! My (second) Charger /RT is a fricken dream car. (Though, it's a 2009) ..376 HP, 5.7 liter V8 Hemi with Mercedes E class suspension...To drive her is to love her. Another great thing is when you cruise, the V8 kicks down to 4 cylinders to save gas, and I get about 24 mpg local, not bad for all that woman! :D She's HOT I tell ya... and I'd bet BoB's DH won't mind her driving it with the kiddies cause it's got great ratings with the side airbags in especially....
The SRT with 425 HP is too much muscle for everyday driving, it belongs on the track, IMO, always feels like your holding back doing everyday driving...

I'm not a minivan kinda mom, so this allows me the room and the Varoooooom
I need! ;)

deacon

06-10-2009, 12:36 PM

That's my baby, deacon! My (second) Charger /RT is a fricken dream car. (Though, it's a 2009) ..376 HP, 5.7 liter V8 Hemi with Mercedes E class suspension...To drive her is to love her. Another great thing is when you cruise, the V8 kicks down to 4 cylinders to save gas, and I get about 24 mpg local, not bad for all that woman! :D She's HOT I tell ya... and I'd bet BoB's DH won't mind her driving it with the kiddies cause it's got great ratings with the side airbags in especially....
The SRT with 425 HP is too much muscle for everyday driving, it belongs on the track, IMO, always feels like your holding back doing everyday driving...

I'm not a minivan kinda mom, so this allows me the room and the Varoooooom
I need! ;)

Never too much muscle. I have a '92 Ranger truck now with a V-6 or should I say a V-sick. I am looking at information now to put a V-8 in that thing. I may get a newer one when I decide to do it. Too many miles on the old red bomb.

Gatordog

06-10-2009, 12:49 PM

Gator, you and I agree. Here's the latest news I could find http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-manson-follower6-2009jun06,0,5682297.story She's receiving the same compassion she displayed when she murdered a pregnant woman.

How is Gatordog, the dog, doing?

Shady, thanks for asking about Gator. He is going to make it. On Friday, he could no longer stand or walk. Poor dog was urinating on himself and it was heartbreaking. I called the vet and she came to the house. I told her I didn't want him to suffer and it may be time. If there was any chance of him recovering, I would do whatever it took. She changed his prednisone to a different kind and gave it twice a day. Gave him pain medication and muscle relaxers. I bought liverwurst and fed him two liverwurst sandwiches a day, by hand, with his meds in them. I have this 4x6 foot indoor/outdoor green grass carpet on my bedroom floor now so he can lie on it. It worked, I was able to clean the "grass rug" when needed. I put runners down all over the ceramic tile so he could gingerly walk without slipping and I could take them outside and hose them down when needed. As of yesterday, he was standing up and walking and no longer incontinent. Thank the Lord. I was able to give him a quick wash with the hose. This morning, he got up and watched me making all the critters their breakfast, as if I couldn't do it right without his approval. :) He went all by himself out into the yard and did his business. Looks like he'll be around for a while longer. I even contacted the funeral home to get the details on arrangements for him. Not needed this time.

Gator

old_soul

06-10-2009, 01:02 PM

Never too much muscle. I have a '92 Ranger truck now with a V-6 or should I say a V-sick. I am looking at information now to put a V-8 in that thing. I may get a newer one when I decide to do it. Too many miles on the old red bomb.

Ah, spoken like a true speed (and muscle) demon! See what you can get for that Ranger, trade er in and take advantage of Chrysler dealers selling below cost in some areas, a damn shame, but good for us... The Ram 1500 is nicely rated, better than a F-150, you can grab grab a leftover for a song, and you'll be singing bye bye to your Ranger.

A man and his truck.....uh huh. :)

deacon

06-10-2009, 01:06 PM

Ah, spoken like a true speed (and muscle) demon! See what you can get for that Ranger, trade er in and take advantage of Chrysler dealers selling below cost in some areas, a damn shame, but good for us... The Ram 1500 is nicely rated, better than a F-150, you can grab grab a leftover for a song, and you'll be singing bye bye to your Ranger.

A man and his truck.....uh huh. :)

I like the small "foot print" of a Ranger. Not so big and bulky, not so heavy. Add a 4 link suspension with the proper equipment and a 351 it would be a beast. A friend of mine does Grudge racing. He has a chevy LUV with a 350. It has two stages of Nitrous. Whoooa that thing is bad to the bone.

shadydaisy

06-10-2009, 01:26 PM

Her Gator - I'm glad gatordog is perking up and going outside again. Poor thing, and you too! He appreciates you and your liverwurst love.

old_soul - I am doing ok with the not smoking. Thanks for thinking of me! I still smoke in the car, but not as much. Not smoking in the evening, just carrying around lit cigs outside. Security blanket? My strange quirk after the treatment was all I wanted to eat was Life cereal, and I don't even like cereal. I just wanted sugar and milk. I ate a whole box in two days. That has passed and I'm eating more normally now. I go back again this Friday for my booster.

old_soul

06-10-2009, 02:10 PM

Gator, I hadn't been able to catch up on the posts, just seeing now about Gator feeling so bad...so sorry to hear that, and soooo glad he's doing better! I've put 4 of my 'kids' to rest in the past 15 years, and we'll do anything for them..seeing them suffer is heartwretching. Happy to see he's not going anywhere, except maybe to the fridge for some more liverwurst! You're a good mom!

Shady, you hang in there, you're doing great because you made the move ~ won't be long now. :) As for the Life cereal, that's funny, huh?

Keep sending good thoughts my way beem and nawny, I want to feel better! I don't care what anyone says, even as a child of the 70's I must say...drugs are highly overrated ;) ~ much better being just...me. (but for now I'll just keep taking my muscle relaxers :o :))

Now, where's my al-co-hol??!! LOL!

shadydaisy

06-10-2009, 03:53 PM

SD, I never ate Life Cereal in my life and since your cravings I've had a woolee for it. LOL!

I never ate much cereal.. maybe once or twice per decade.

I never liked cereal either. I don't like crunchy in the morning. Give me a yogurt. Life is finished and I will come down from this sugar rush eventually.

OS - keep taking those muscle relaxants. They do help.

Has anyone tried the chocolate called Bliss? Individually wrapped pieces of heaven.

Marian Paroo

06-10-2009, 05:38 PM

Fresh or dried lavender flowers for that recipe?

old_soul

06-10-2009, 08:21 PM

Fresh or dried lavender flowers for that recipe?

Hi Marian :seeya:...I used fresh, because I didn't know either, they worked fine, but I'm sure using fresh dried or dried without any oil to enhance scent would work wonderfully also. I love Lavender anything!

:beer:

Nawny

06-10-2009, 08:36 PM

I think I've been banned. All my nawny posts went away.

??????????????

Edit.. okay I see this one, but the others are gone.

old_soul

06-10-2009, 08:37 PM

Nawny

06-10-2009, 08:56 PM

don't even want to use his name, but re: that Coleman scumbag..

SOB's goose is cooked, thank God. They traced those threatening letters he said he received to his laptop at the ministries, :flamemad:, and LE have unearthed 6 very naughty e mail photos of him and his mistress exposing themselves to each other...Hope the scumbag thinks what he has done is worth spending his time in prison being called Bend Over Bob.

NG has just revealed he also spray painted curses on the bed of his 9 year old in the red spray paint ~ while his son was laying there dead.

They found out the time of death to be 11 PM to 3 AM, before the scumbag went to 'the gym' that early morning....and I don't care if his mistress thought he was getting a divorce, she was an insider to the family being Sheri's friend (and I use that term very loosely), what she couldn't keep her legs crossed until the man was finally divorced? I'm thinking if you are going to be with your friend's husband ~ that's the least you can do!

:flamemad::flamemad:
:rose::rose::rose:

Isn't he the worst SOB OS?!!!!! I read it on my CNN homepage today. They got the friken pond scum low life perverted pig! Tonight i told poppa about what they found and he said, his mistress was innocent and I said the same thing, "NOT! She's a POS!" If you have to screw around with a married creep, do not break bread with his wife! That would be my answer to her. She's no better than he is. Like attracts like... ewww, that man and his piggy girlfriend are the worse of the worst. Betcha she knew he was going to eliminate them and more than likely he'll blame her. He plead innocent! She had him brainwashed, betcha he said that! No honor among pigs.

He had to be drugged to commit that crime, had to be! Or he'll go for insanity.

What gets me the most is, they were not his to kill. She had a family out there who adored them, that SOB! Bend over Bob yayus! Shoot that mutha effer! Massacre him!:flamemad:

:rose::rose::rose: Dear God on the cross, why???