Anything else you want to discuss goes here

[beemer]

I'll wait till the puter savy people are here ;)

[shadydaisy]

Beemer, trying to post a link? Highlight, right click, copy - on post reply click on the Earth with the link, right click and paste your link. It should work - play with it. I've tortured everyone with pics while I've played - LOL.

[beemer]

Beemer, trying to post a link? Highlight, right click, copy - on post reply click on the Earth with the link, right click and paste your link. It should work - play with it. I've tortured everyone with pics while I've played - LOL.

Still cant get it to work Shady but thanks anyway. It's off an email in PDF. I'll get some help from my youngest-should be walking in the door soon. Home for the weekend for duck hunting opening weekend.

[BeastofBears]

From what I heard and read, the 2 part tv movie made of it was a total mutilation (vile screenplay), despite some really good actors.



On my email I have the following signature quote from Dave Berry's Book of Bad Songs: "'Teen Angel' is not so much a tragedy as it is an illustration of how the law of natural selection improves the gene pool."

That's awesome! Have you ever seen these: http://www.darwinawards.com/

(and I am such a sucker for teen death songs, I find them fascinating. "Patches" is probably my favorite, but I don't turn my nose up at Ode to Billy Joe, Where can my baby be?, ohh! Tell Laura I love her! rich stuff, that!)

[Nawny]

Beemer, trying to post a link? Highlight, right click, copy - on post reply click on the Earth with the link, right click and paste your link. It should work - play with it. I've tortured everyone with pics while I've played - LOL.

While you're here, tell me why I can't seem to get the multiple quote thing to work. I click on the multiple icon on the bottom right, then I hit quote and nothing appears.. I reply and don't see two quotes, only one. :shrug:

[Nawny]

While you're here, tell me why I can't seem to get the multiple quote thing to work. I click on the multiple icon on the bottom right, then I hit quote and nothing appears.. I reply and don't see two quotes, only one. :shrug:

See I just did it and answered myself, but the other quote isn't here.. :(

[BeastofBears]

[/B]

Greeeeed.. one of the 7 deadlies. That never changes. :no:

Wouldn't it make sense that if there was all that gold and silver, there would be more in the area. And can it be possible that the earth changed or shifted, and that might not have been where it was originally buried? One more question; Can it be that it was buried much deeper and the erosion could be the reason that hoard was actually so close to the surface? If I'm all wet, I'll sit down now. Just wondering. :o I know less than nothing about these matters.

I'll keep the touch warnings in mind, thanks BoB. I'm so tactile. I touch everything. (Except dirty old men;) I kick them in the knees.

Usually these hoards seem to be just the family running out of the villa and burying the family jewels. Here's another one from earlier: http://www.archaeology.org/0003/newsbriefs/coins.html. In that one, there was a complex found. But who knows? This one is very unique and really important. Huge, really, like Sutton Hoo. That important. As for near the surface, the finder picked a field that had just been plowed, which probably helped.

Here's the official site of the hoard: http://www.staffordshirehoard.org.uk/ they have photos of all of it, at least that's been cleaned yet (there's more!)

[BeastofBears]

While you're here, tell me why I can't seem to get the multiple quote thing to work. I click on the multiple icon on the bottom right, then I hit quote and nothing appears.. I reply and don't see two quotes, only one. :shrug:

Hey, I couldn't even find the boards for a whole day :shrug: I thought I lost you all!

[Nawny]

Usually these hoards seem to be just the family running out of the villa and burying the family jewels. Here's another one from earlier: http://www.archaeology.org/0003/newsbriefs/coins.html. In that one, there was a complex found. But who knows? This one is very unique and really important. Huge, really, like Sutton Hoo. That important. As for near the surface, the finder picked a field that had just been plowed, which probably helped.

Here's the official site of the hoard: http://www.staffordshirehoard.org.uk/ they have photos of all of it, at least that's been cleaned yet (there's more!)

Thank you , that was very kind of you to post these. I'll go look now. :seeya::read:

[Nawny]

Hey, I couldn't even find the boards for a whole day :shrug: I thought I lost you all!

OOoo poor kid! That must have been weird. I haven't had that experience.

I just looked at the pictures of the hoard.. my GOD! What works of art. I couldn't stop looking at those pieces. I found the articles very interesting. They will learn much from this dig for sure! Thanks!

[BeastofBears]

OOoo poor kid! That must have been weird. I haven't had that experience.

I just looked at the pictures of the hoard.. my GOD! What works of art. I couldn't stop looking at those pieces. I found the articles very interesting. They will learn much from this dig for sure! Thanks!

I felt very sorry for myself all day!

One thing I would like to find out about the stuff from the hoard is if they found remnants of the iron from the swords. If not, that means the valuable bits were ripped off the swords and maybe it was a battlefield loot cache. One thing that kind of throws me is how many weapons are represented here: if there was a nasty battle coming, you'd think the swords would be needed, not buried :shrug: It is beautiful stuff, huh? The Dark Ages are called that because we know so little, not because there was nothing going on :beer:

[Marian Paroo]

That's awesome! Have you ever seen these: http://www.darwinawards.com/

(and I am such a sucker for teen death songs, I find them fascinating. "Patches" is probably my favorite, but I don't turn my nose up at Ode to Billy Joe, Where can my baby be?, ohh! Tell Laura I love her! rich stuff, that!)


I got the Darwin Awards site bookmarked. My toleratnce for stupidity gets lower every day. I would really like to read Beauty Fades, Dumb is Forever but I can't seem to get a copy of it.

Yeah, I love those sentimental teen death songs, too, and "Patches" is also on the top of my list.

[Nawny]

I felt very sorry for myself all day!

One thing I would like to find out about the stuff from the hoard is if they found remnants of the iron from the swords. If not, that means the valuable bits were ripped off the swords and maybe it was a battlefield loot cache. One thing that kind of throws me is how many weapons are represented here: if there was a nasty battle coming, you'd think the swords would be needed, not buried :shrug: It is beautiful stuff, huh? The Dark Ages are called that because we know so little, not because there was nothing going on :beer:

Yes, and this stuff seems to have a royal connection. Could have been looted and passed down the line. It wouldn't make sense to bury battle gear otherwise. (?) As it was mentioned, there were no female items. Now we have to find the jewels BoB! The truth about the dark ages seems no more attainable than the truth about Casey Anthony. Talk about ferreting out information huh!? Whatcha got on that BoB?

[Marian Paroo]

That's awesome! Have you ever seen these: http://www.darwinawards.com/

(and I am such a sucker for teen death songs, I find them fascinating. "Patches" is probably my favorite, but I don't turn my nose up at Ode to Billy Joe, Where can my baby be?, ohh! Tell Laura I love her! rich stuff, that!)

This sounds like something we both would like:

http://www.amazon.com/Shot-Man-Reno-History-Misadventure/dp/0826428576

[shadydaisy]

While you're here, tell me why I can't seem to get the multiple quote thing to work. I click on the multiple icon on the bottom right, then I hit quote and nothing appears.. I reply and don't see two quotes, only one. :shrug:

Just hit the " for as many as you want to quote - then DO NOT hit quote - just hit post reply and ALL your quotes will appear.

So, you keep clicking " and you won't see anything until you hit post reply and they all show up.

It also allows you to keep reading without skipping over some posts and then just answering once to a bunch of them. I find that handy because I don't usually go back and search the one I wanted to answer to.

[shadydaisy]

I got the Darwin Awards site bookmarked. My toleratnce for stupidity gets lower every day. I would really like to read Beauty Fades, Dumb is Forever but I can't seem to get a copy of it.

Yeah, I love those sentimental teen death songs, too, and "Patches" is also on the top of my list.

The #1 radio station in NJ is a talk radio station 101.5. One of the DJ's favorite songs of all time is Patches. He goes on and on about it. I would do him no justice repeating what he says but it's the kind of monologue that you sit in the car and let him finish even though you have arrived at your destination.

[Nawny]

Just hit the " for as many as you want to quote - then DO NOT hit quote - just hit post reply and ALL your quotes will appear.

So, you keep clicking " and you won't see anything until you hit post reply and they all show up.

It also allows you to keep reading without skipping over some posts and then just answering once to a bunch of them. I find that handy because I don't usually go back and search the one I wanted to answer to.

Ohhh. okay thanks, I'll try that.

[Marian Paroo]

The #1 radio station in NJ is a talk radio station 101.5. One of the DJ's favorite songs of all time is Patches. He goes on and on about it. I would do him no justice repeating what he says but it's the kind of monologue that you sit in the car and let him finish even though you have arrived at your destination.

:rose:

[Nawny]

Ohhh. okay thanks, I'll try that.

The #1 radio station in NJ is a talk radio station 101.5. One of the DJ's favorite songs of all time is Patches. He goes on and on about it. I would do him no justice repeating what he says but it's the kind of monologue that you sit in the car and let him finish even though you have arrived at your destination.

Just hit the " for as many as you want to quote - then DO NOT hit quote - just hit post reply and ALL your quotes will appear.

So, you keep clicking " and you won't see anything until you hit post reply and they all show up.

It also allows you to keep reading without skipping over some posts and then just answering once to a bunch of them. I find that handy because I don't usually go back and search the one I wanted to answer to.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I did it!! Thanks SD! I'm so happy now :beer:

[Nawny]

The #1 radio station in NJ is a talk radio station 101.5. One of the DJ's favorite songs of all time is Patches. He goes on and on about it. I would do him no justice repeating what he says but it's the kind of monologue that you sit in the car and let him finish even though you have arrived at your destination.

We get 101.5 here. I wonder if it's the same programing.. probably not. Here it's the station that plays most of the oldies.. hmmm. I guess I live about 200 and some miles from you. I remember when I lived in Conn, the stations were quite different. Oddly RI gets the hits later than NY and Conn. A lousy 100 miles from here, they're playing the new hits that I hadn't heard yet.

Ah yes I remember Patches.

[Nawny]

:rose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GzyEAC8rOw

[Nawny]

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[BeastofBears]

This sounds like something we both would like:

http://www.amazon.com/Shot-Man-Reno-History-Misadventure/dp/0826428576




Oooh, I think I need to get me that! Makes me think of Johnny Cash.

I thought of another one, kind of obscure: The Terror of Highway 101(eta: real title Black Denim Trousers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKUIOo1KEe4 ). You can find it on youtube, along with lots of others. Some guy on there has videos of his old lp's, just playing on the turntable...

[BeastofBears]

You guys want to hear something weird? When I couldn't get on the board the other day, I was doing some machine gun googling to see if anyone else was asking about it anywhere, and I discovered that there's like a cult following of sorts of this thread!

People have recipes from here and bits of trivia, just stuff we yak about! I just about fell out of my chair when I ran into someone with a cooking site who said "I found this recipe on Crimelibrary's Caylee board, and it's just great!"...and I don't think it was one of us! Then there was more. But I was too busy trying to get back on to get links...but its out there!

[BeastofBears]

Under construction

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Ah, fixing the bano. You are living my dream. We have had a new toilet in the basement for 2 years-my hubby refuses to install it in case it doesn't work and we have no toilet. I say, hey, we have a backyard, what are you afraid of? And I have the travertine all cut to take out the flesh colored linoleum...but again, fear stops him...you go girl!

[beemer]

You guys want to hear something weird? When I couldn't get on the board the other day, I was doing some machine gun googling to see if anyone else was asking about it anywhere, and I discovered that there's like a cult following of sorts of this thread!

People have recipes from here and bits of trivia, just stuff we yak about! I just about fell out of my chair when I ran into someone with a cooking site who said "I found this recipe on Crimelibrary's Caylee board, and it's just great!"...and I don't think it was one of us! Then there was more. But I was too busy trying to get back on to get links...but its out there!

Wow :eek: I gotta check that out. Wonder if Spindy snagged any of our recipes :cuss: What exactly did u type in?

[BeastofBears]

Wow :eek: I gotta check that out. Wonder if Spindy snagged any of our recipes :cuss: What exactly did u type in?

Everything I could think of! I was desperate!

Great. Now I find ME when I try to find the permutation I used!!!!

If we can snag that chili recipe back, I'll consider us even!

[beemer]

Everything I could think of! I was desperate!

Great. Now I find ME when I try to find the permutation I used!!!!

If we can snag that chili recipe back, I'll consider us even!

LOL :beer:

[shadydaisy]

You guys want to hear something weird? When I couldn't get on the board the other day, I was doing some machine gun googling to see if anyone else was asking about it anywhere, and I discovered that there's like a cult following of sorts of this thread!

People have recipes from here and bits of trivia, just stuff we yak about! I just about fell out of my chair when I ran into someone with a cooking site who said "I found this recipe on Crimelibrary's Caylee board, and it's just great!"...and I don't think it was one of us! Then there was more. But I was too busy trying to get back on to get links...but its out there!

Are we famous? Do they blog about us? Better yet - a forum about the forum.

Nawny - Great job with the quotes - no stopping you now!!!

[SaraSidle]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I did it!! Thanks SD! I'm so happy now :beer:



excellent job Nawny

[Nawny]

Oooh, I think I need to get me that! Makes me think of Johnny Cash.I thought of another one, kind of obscure: The Terror of Highway 101(eta: real title Black Denim Trousers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKUIOo1KEe4 ). You can find it on youtube, along with lots of others. Some guy on there has videos of his old lp's, just playing on the turntable...

Johnny Cash was a Pisces. :tongue: Right Brainer all the way. You're a odd Pisces BoB. Too smart. :punch: Then again, Albert Einstein was a Pisces. Hmmmm.

;)

[Nawny]

excellent job Nawny

Thank you sara. Now I'm really CL literate! :)

[Nawny]

Are we famous? Do they blog about us? Better yet - a forum about the forum.

Nawny - Great job with the quotes - no stopping you now!!!

:patriot: THank you so much, that was driving me nuts SD!

LOL :beer:

Ah, fixing the bano. You are living my dream. We have had a new toilet in the basement for 2 years-my hubby refuses to install it in case it doesn't work and we have no toilet. I say, hey, we have a backyard, what are you afraid of? And I have the travertine all cut to take out the flesh colored linoleum...but again, fear stops him...you go girl!

I TOLD you Leo doesn't do dirty work. He's the King of the Forrest!!!! He fears nothing! Just find his crown and tell him he's the greatest! Leo rules! (I have a Leo rising, so I know all about it!) LOL! I only work with pretty things not toilets. No, no.:no:

[Nawny]

everything i could think of! I was desperate!

Great. Now i find me when i try to find the permutation i used!!!!

If we can snag that chili recipe back, i'll consider us even!

lol!lol!lol!lol!!!!!!

[BeastofBears]

Johnny Cash was a Pisces. :tongue: Right Brainer all the way. You're a odd Pisces BoB. Too smart. :punch: Then again, Albert Einstein was a Pisces. Hmmmm.

;)

I'm an odd everything, Nawny.

Einstein failed math. I can relate.

[BeastofBears]

:patriot: THank you so much, that was driving me nuts SD!





I TOLD you Leo doesn't do dirty work. He's the King of the Forrest!!!! He fears nothing! Just find his crown and tell him he's the greatest! Leo rules! (I have a Leo rising, so I know all about it!) LOL! I only work with pretty things not toilets. No, no.:no:

Nawny, if you looked at our current toilet, and then our American Standard Turbo-Flush in the box, you would find it beautiful. Not plunging is beautiful. Not seeing rusty floor bolts is beautiful. Not having uncleanable little nooks and crannies..oh, you get the picture! :D

And I wish the "King of the Forrest" would risk having to dig a latrine in the backyard for just a few hours to get that sob installed! I will clearly just have to do it when he goes out of town next month. Do I have to do everything around here?! (You know why its bad for me to do everything? I have a follow-through problem. I get 95% of stuff done, and then kind of...drift on to something else...he'll be sorry!)

[Nawny]

Nawny, if you looked at our current toilet, and then our American Standard Turbo-Flush in the box, you would find it beautiful. Not plunging is beautiful. Not seeing rusty floor bolts is beautiful. Not having uncleanable little nooks and crannies..oh, you get the picture! :D

And I wish the "King of the Forrest" would risk having to dig a latrine in the backyard for just a few hours to get that sob installed! I will clearly just have to do it when he goes out of town next month. Do I have to do everything around here?! (You know why its bad for me to do everything? I have a follow-through problem. I get 95% of stuff done, and then kind of...drift on to something else...he'll be sorry!)


ROTFLMAO!!! Crying!!! Yes he will be sorry.. LOL!!!!

You need to get back to work and buy the King another house with a better bathroom throne! Ahhh Pisces, Pisces.. how does he love thee, let him count the ways.. We are slippery thangs. He knows the dolphin, has he met the shark yet?

Leo is a fire sign! Pisces is a water sign. Will the water put the fire out? Or will the fire dry up the water? I think tsunamis don't' care where they go.

To my fellow Pisces. :beer:

[Nawny]

I'm an odd everything, Nawny.

Einstein failed math. I can relate.

Me too! I do math; Sometimes. I have my own formula is all. :hat: It drives my calculator addict hubby nuts.

[beemer]

Me too! I do math; Sometimes. I have my own formula is all. :hat: It drives my calculator addict hubby nuts.

Good i am glad i am not the only one. I subtract and divide different than the rest of the universe. Guess thats how my brain is hard wired :shrug:

[Wagsy]

Just hit the " for as many as you want to quote - then DO NOT hit quote - just hit post reply and ALL your quotes will appear.

So, you keep clicking " and you won't see anything until you hit post reply and they all show up.

It also allows you to keep reading without skipping over some posts and then just answering once to a bunch of them. I find that handy because I don't usually go back and search the one I wanted to answer to.

Ahh SD, Thanks for the tip! I've done it with up to three quotes but I;

*hit multi-quote for the 1st and 2nd
*then on the last one I hit quote and it included all

BUT yours is a much better way to do it. Often I'm reading a few pages at a time between when I post so I see lots I want to reply to and end up posting, going back to find the next I wanted to comment on and repeating. Takes a lot of time and effort. This will make it so much easier in the future. Kudos to you!! :rose:

[Gatordog]

Wow :eek: I gotta check that out. Wonder if Spindy snagged any of our recipes :cuss: What exactly did u type in?

Maybe we should ask her to share the chili recipe?

[beemer]

Maybe we should ask her to share the chili recipe?

She would prolly then put it in a cook book and make us buy it ;)

[Gatordog]

I was on the proper Caylee thread and read that it's cocktail hour. I've never had a mojito but it's a fun word to say, so "I'll have a Mojito please". http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink043.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[Nawny]

Good i am glad i am not the only one. I subtract and divide different than the rest of the universe. Guess thats how my brain is hard wired :shrug:

:eek: You too! OMG! I thought my mother dropped me on my head as a child! I hated math in school because they wanted me to (GOD FORBID) follow a rule! Didn't you hate the written math problems? They had a problem alright!

Gimmi a list of numbers, any numbers. I'll give you the total in seconds. But don't give me a checkbook. ;) I was born too late. I could have split that foolish atom. And relativity,, oh hell that's child's play! ;)

And I'm sober right now. :hat: I just ordered a pizza for delivery. Peperoni/extra cheese! $17.43 and that's a ten, a five two 1's and 43 cents.
Yeth! I do math.

:beer:

[Gatordog]

Nawny, I'm getting so excited about my visit. just to get the fel of New England I bought Cabot Vermont cottage cheese and New England brand coffee. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-char-030.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

[Nawny]

I was on the proper Caylee thread and read that it's cocktail hour. I've never had a mojito but it's a fun word to say, so "I'll have a Mojito please". http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink043.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

I never had a majito either. Is it sweet? Ifso I'll do one of those. Waiting for my pizza. :beer:

[Gatordog]

Had to use that emoticon - Nawny said we could visit Salem, Mass, and it will be Halloween!! :D

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-char-030.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

[Nawny]

Nawny, I'm getting so excited about my visit. just to get the fel of New England I bought Cabot Vermont cottage cheese and New England brand coffee. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-char-030.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

LOL! Hey the coffee has improved in Florida. It used to taste like paint remover. Hey Jo if we go to Salem Mass we might find the grinch's alter ego on the witches trail. :)

[Nawny]

Had to use that emoticon - Nawny said we could visit Salem, Mass, and it will be Halloween!! :D

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-char-030.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

I checked it out for Oct 30.. there is a bunch of tours going on that day. I've been there on Halloween, it's fun. All that talk about killings. Maybe we can squeeze Boston in there too. The secrets.. eeeeehheeeeheeee! They made the Ants look like Mary Poppins. ;)

[Gatordog]

I never had a majito either. Is it sweet? Ifso I'll do one of those. Waiting for my pizza. :beer:

Ohhh, Love pizza. It's the food of the Gods to me. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink063.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) It cover all the food groups and i just read that the concentared tomato in the sauce makes it a good cholesterol lowering food :eek: :biggrin:

Gator

[Nawny]

Woo hooo, the Haleigh board is hot tonight!:cuss:

[Nawny]

Ohhh, Love pizza. It's the food of the Gods to me. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink063.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) It cover all the food groups and i just read that the concentared tomato in the sauce makes it a good cholesterol lowering food :eek: :biggrin:

Gator

Does that mean I don't have to do 30 minutes on the Gazelle tomorrow? Goodie! :)

[beemer]

I never had a majito either. Is it sweet? Ifso I'll do one of those. Waiting for my pizza. :beer:

Here ya go gator :beer: Nawny we took the pre-mixed good to go bottle of Mojito up to the cottage since everyone talks bout them and we never had tried. We didn't care for it at all. Way too sweet for our taste. However prolly not the best judges as we need to try one made fresh with the crushed leaves. Off to watch L&O:seeya:

[Gatordog]

Trader Vic's? BoB you have got to be one of the most interesting people on the planet. If you really did get married there, there has tio be a story behind it. Have a MaiTai while Nawny and I have a Mojito. Beemer, anything for you? BoB is going to tell us about her wedding. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love047.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[SaraSidle]

Thank you sara. Now I'm really CL literate! :)

LOL you sure got me beat..............

[Gatordog]

Does that mean I don't have to do 30 minutes on the Gazelle tomorrow? Goodie! :)

Yep, no http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport040.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) tomorrow. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores043.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) instead.

[SaraSidle]

I got the Darwin Awards site bookmarked. My toleratnce for stupidity gets lower every day. I would really like to read Beauty Fades, Dumb is Forever but I can't seem to get a copy of it.

Yeah, I love those sentimental teen death songs, too, and "Patches" is also on the top of my list.

I just love those. Someone at work used to send it to me when I was working just to have a happy mood at work and it worked. loved the Darwin Awards.

[Gatordog]

Ohhh, Love pizza. It's the food of the Gods to me. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink063.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) It cover all the food groups and i just read that the concentared tomato in the sauce makes it a good cholesterol lowering food :eek: :biggrin:

Gator

Look how I spelled concentrated - must be the mojitos. ;)

[SaraSidle]

Look how I spelled concentrated - must be the mojitos. ;)

LOL or the fact you ordered pizza.........hhhhmmmmmm. I love Salem. when I was there they had a museum with a movie on the history of the witches. It was a cute pretty little town.

I love the smiles Gator. very cute

[beemer]

Trader Vic's? BoB you have got to be one of the most interesting people on the planet. If you really did get married there, there has tio be a story behind it. Have a MaiTai while Nawny and I have a Mojito. Beemer, anything for you? BoB is going to tell us about her wedding. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love047.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Glass of Pinio please and thank you :beer:

[beemer]

C'mon Bob fess up bout the wedding. Isn't Trader Vic's a market type store? I gotta hear this c'mon Bob we wanna know ;)

[BeastofBears]

Trader Vic's? BoB you have got to be one of the most interesting people on the planet. If you really did get married there, there has tio be a story behind it. Have a MaiTai while Nawny and I have a Mojito. Beemer, anything for you? BoB is going to tell us about her wedding. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love047.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Trader Vic's. Theme: pre-wwII Hawaii. My dress was a silver crushed velvet bias cut dress from a 1933 pattern. Harlowe would have worn it. Sunset out on the water for the ceremony. We found the 2 oldest Hawaiian musicians on earth. They were the real deal. Had no idea what any Elvis songs were-the "Hang Loose Duo" Everybody got lei'd, heehee! Oh, and kids were officially welcome. I can't stand it when kids are banned from weddings.

Okay, so why Trader Vic's? The great family chaos. Christians, Jews, and Muslims vied for wedding plans. I finally cut the crap and said, no church, synagogue, or anything! Our minister at Trader Vic's! Oh...the horror that rippled transcontinentally! If you can't make them happy...make them as mad as possible! :chicken:

Maybe if I promise to block faces, he'll let me post a picture...cross yer fingers!

[BeastofBears]

C'mon Bob fess up bout the wedding. Isn't Trader Vic's a market type store? I gotta hear this c'mon Bob we wanna know ;)

LOL! That Trader JOE'S! This is Trader Vic's http://www.tradervics.com/rest-emeryville.html (I hear Phil Spector likes it there. Correction...LIKED!!!)

Although weirdly it is tiki themed, too...

[beemer]

LOL! That Trader JOE'S!

Although weirdly it is tiki themed, too...

Haaaa thanks for clarifying that and your wedding sounds like it was so personal-too cool. Night all wine has made me sleepy :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Trader Vic's. Theme: pre-wwII Hawaii. My dress was a silver crushed velvet bias cut dress from a 1933 pattern. Harlowe would have worn it. Sunset out on the water for the ceremony. We found the 2 oldest Hawaiian musicians on earth. They were the real deal. Had no idea what any Elvis songs were-the "Hang Loose Duo" Everybody got lei'd, heehee! Oh, and kids were officially welcome. I can't stand it when kids are banned from weddings.

Okay, so why Trader Vic's? The great family chaos. Christians, Jews, and Muslims vied for wedding plans. I finally cut the crap and said, no church, synagogue, or anything! Our minister at Trader Vic's! Oh...the horror that rippled transcontinentally! If you can't make them happy...make them as mad as possible! :chicken:

Maybe if I promise to block faces, he'll let me post a picture...cross yer fingers!

how cool is that bob. sounds perfect. I would love to see pix

[Marian Paroo]

[/FONT]I'm an odd everything, Nawny.

Einstein failed math. I can relate.

Was actually considered to be possbily retarded, too, for a while.

I was on the proper Caylee thread and read that it's cocktail hour. I've never had a mojito but it's a fun word to say, so "I'll have a Mojito please". http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink043.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

I love Mojitos, but the classic kind. Not when they stick all kinds of fruit in it.

Now since this an "anything" place, I am going to RANT:flamemad: about Israel going over to between last night and this morning. We are now GMT +2. It's all because of the political power of fundamentalist Jewish men, who insist that a 26 hour fast (where all you do is sit in an airconditioned synagogue and pray) seems shorter if it starts earlier and ends earlier. All the religious Jewish women I know who keep the fast find it a great deal harder when the day before the fast ends earlier -- they are the ones that have to prepare the pre-fast meal.

[Nawny]

LOL! That Trader JOE'S! This is Trader Vic's http://www.tradervics.com/rest-emeryville.html (I hear Phil Spector likes it there. Correction...LIKED!!!)

Although weirdly it is tiki themed, too...


Beautiful! I'd love to go there for some pineapple ham. :)

[Nawny]

[/FONT]

Was actually considered to be possbily retarded, too, for a while.



I love Mojitos, but the classic kind. Not when they stick all kinds of fruit in it.

Now since this an "anything" place, I am going to RANT:flamemad: about Israel going over to between last night and this morning. We are now GMT +2. It's all because of the political power of fundamentalist Jewish men, who insist that a 26 hour fast (where all you do is sit in an airconditioned synagogue and pray) seems shorter if it starts earlier and ends earlier. All the religious Jewish women I know who keep the fast find it a great deal harder when the day before the fast ends earlier -- they are the ones that have to prepare the pre-fast meal.

Why does their God make them suffer so? I never understood that. A benevolent God wants us to be "like the children" Enjoy! Play, live in the moment? Sounds so brutal for God's sake. I'd fail badly there and would probably be excommunicated. I couldn't pray for 26 straight hours.. Or keep quiet that long! I figure God would say to me, "Alright already! I heard ya the first time, go eat now!"

And besides, God isn't deaf. And he knows all things about each one of us so why all that praying? He gets it! I expect that's why he put me in New England. :shrug: They say Pisces is an old soul. I must have done all that in another life. :rolleyes:



They considered Einstein retarded??? Haaaaa!!! Of course they did. I remember reading a blurb about him and it reported that he left his first wife on the stairway entrance to their apartment on their wedding night and the door locked behind him once in the house. He left her there while he worked on something in his office. (can't remember exactly) I think he was a little nuts, but hardly retarded. He was also a lucky man for getting out of Hitler's way.

[Nawny]

I think Gator will enjoy this Boston tour.

http://www.northendboston.com/secrettours/tour.htm

And we get a free Canoli at the end. Yeeeeheee!

Aye, Clemenza! Doan forget the canolis!

[beemer]

Oh for sure Nawny-and free Cannoli good gawd what a way to cap it. When i was in NY it was a toss up with all the yummy desserts. Cannoli was to die for. I couldn't decide which i liked better-the Italian or the New York cheesecake. Food was an amazing experience.

[Marian Paroo]

Why does their God make them suffer so? I never understood that. A benevolent God wants us to be "like the children" Enjoy! Play, live in the moment? Sounds so brutal for God's sake. I'd fail badly there and would probably be excommunicated. I couldn't pray for 26 straight hours.. Or keep quiet that long! I figure God would say to me, "Alright already! I heard ya the first time, go eat now!"

And besides, God isn't deaf. And he knows all things about each one of us so why all that praying? He gets it! I expect that's why he put me in New England. :shrug: They say Pisces is an old soul. I must have done all that in another life. :rolleyes:





Oh no, they don't pray for 26 hrs. without a break. The fast is 26 hours. A couple of hours after the final meal. Then sleep. Then prayers from morning 'til eary afternoon. A break when everyone goes home to snooze, and another couple of hours of prayer till there are 3 stars in the sky.

Prayers are in uniform. Aloud and togethr, but anonymous. And it's a once a year deal. No weekly confession or anything like that.

[Nawny]

Oh for sure Nawny-and free Cannoli good gawd what a way to cap it. When i was in NY it was a toss up with all the yummy desserts. Cannoli was to die for. I couldn't decide which i liked better-the Italian or the New York cheesecake. Food was an amazing experience.

Mornin Bree! Gotta hangover? lol!!

Yes NY Cheesecake at Lindy's is to die for. I'm for that! I love NY, but Gator is a new yorker so she knows about the food up this way. Fortunately for me, she's never been to Boston. New yorkers are hard to impress but I'll try. Boston has its own sig and as far as cities go, it's unique. Lot's of Irish background and English architecture. I hope she likes it.

I got lost there once, and stopped a pedestrian to ask directions to the turnpike. It was like I was a family member, he was so nice. Also very funny. It warmed my heart. In NY he would have asked me for my pocketbook. lol!

I was in Florida and asked a guy for directions. He was pumping gas at a station in Kissimmee. I approached him all wrong. I asked him if he knew where a certain street was and he said, Ahh yep. :mad:

[beemer]

Haaaaa yep its all in the approach sometimes. Prolly been a bit since Gator has had some NY food. No hair hurtin day for me-I got sleepy and went to bed. So much for my YEE HAW night LOL You will have to keep a day to day diary of what you guys do-and share it-well most of it :D

[Nawny]

Oh no, they don't pray for 26 hrs. without a break. The fast is 26 hours. A couple of hours after the final meal. Then sleep. Then prayers from morning 'til eary afternoon. A break when everyone goes home to snooze, and another couple of hours of prayer till there are 3 stars in the sky.

Prayers are in uniform. Aloud and together, but anonymous. And it's a once a year deal. No weekly confession or anything like that.


Oh! Thank you. I know nothing about their religion. I haven't been to confession in many years. Catholics contradict themselves. We were taught that God knows all things. Confession is a ridiculous ritual. IMO. If there is sorrow and remorse in our heart, we talk to him anywhere. We pay our dues by cleaning up the wreckage of our misdeeds in obvious ways. The Catholic BS is getting old. I have not an ounce of respect for the gold gilded crime of that religion. If I am forced to be in church, I usually end up stifling giggles.

Once, at a mass to honor my father in law's passing, (It's yearly) I listened to the priest mention his name, pronounce it wrong, and include several other names in the hundred dollar paid for presentation. I asked my 90 year old MIL at the time, if she noticed the gold box on the alter and what she thought it cost the parishioners. She hit me. lol! I had to put my hand over my mouth to keep from bursting out laughing.

Then when communion was being passed out, she reminded my husband that he cannot get communion because he was divorced in the past. He asked her if the communion cop was in the church. Those rules really tax my intelligence. The worst experience I ever had having to do with Catholicism was my visit to the Vatican. Talk about Empires?

No offense to any Catholics here but I'm all set with them.

[Nawny]

Haaaaa yep its all in the approach sometimes. Prolly been a bit since Gator has had some NY food. No hair hurtin day for me-I got sleepy and went to bed. So much for my YEE HAW night LOL You will have to keep a day to day diary of what you guys do-and share it-well most of it :D

LOL!! Hair hurtin,, love it. One wine will do that to my head. I love it but can't drink it. I was born drunk, don't need alcohol. You probably guessed that. I'm a light weight with the booze. If I drink anything, it's either Baileys or Manhattans. I do like Black Cat's German wine though. It's not sweet or dry, it's perfect. It's not to much sulphur. That's the headache making stuff. Or of course home made wine. That's the bomb!

Imagine nawny a sober bag lady? My dream! LOL!

I'll keep ou posted on the visit with Gator. :) I'm so looking forward to it.

[beemer]

LOL!! Hair hurtin,, love it. One wine will do that to my head. I love it but can't drink it. I was born drunk, don't need alcohol. You probably guessed that. I'm a light weight with the booze. If I drink anything, it's either Baileys or Manhattans. I do like Black Cat's German wine though. It's not sweet or dry, it's perfect. It's not to much sulphur. That's the headache making stuff. Or of course home made wine. That's the bomb!

Imagine nawny a sober bag lady? My dream! LOL!

I'll keep ou posted on the visit with Gator. :) I'm so looking forward to it.

I had 2 glasses-3 and I'm in the bell jar. Whateva happened to the good ole day's :beer: I hear ya on the catholic thingy. I am Protestant. Hope i spelled that right LOL When i/we visited the Vatican back in the 70's we were told to bring a flower if not Catholic and he would bless the flower. My question was how would he know? I did it anyway's i was afraid of being struck down. Cant get much closer to heaven here on earth than the beauty of the Vatican. Is Gator able to stay more than a few days? I hope so.

[beemer]

P.S. Nawny i was 16 when i visited the Vatican so i was just in awe of the beauty. New nothing of all the politics at that time.

[Nawny]

I had 2 glasses-3 and I'm in the bell jar. Whateva happened to the good ole day's :beer: I hear ya on the catholic thingy. I am Protestant. Hope i spelled that right LOL When i/we visited the Vatican back in the 70's we were told to bring a flower if not Catholic and he would bless the flower. My question was how would he know? I did it anyway's i was afraid of being struck down. Cant get much closer to heaven here on earth than the beauty of the Vatican. Is Gator able to stay more than a few days? I hope so.

I hear ya on the jell bar.. lol! You got skeered in the Vatican? ROTFLMAO! I saw 2 of their bouncers drag a man out for snapping a picture. Afraid he'd sell it I guess. That was so Christian of them, init? :rolleyes: Taking pictures in there is not allowed because they sell all kinds of pictures and books of pictures, along with calenders etc.. so you have to buy them. $$$$$$.. lots! Long lines of people crawling all over that.

Yes the Vatican is very beautiful. I was immersed in the art. Spell binding, I could almost see Michael Angelo lying on the scaffold being blinded by the paint in his eyes. His story is most fascinating. I give him more credence than the pope.

I love the painting he did where he put horns on that pope in power while he did the ceiling work. He shut down the doors and refused to let anyone in while he was doing the Sistine chapel. Raphael was his student and he died of syphilis at 32. My favorite story about Michael Angelo is when he rode a donkey back to his family home in Florence because he learned that his family was struck with the plague. When a family member was ill, the rest of the family left them alone in the house. His brother was the only one still alive and he got into bed with him and held him till he passed. He was another Pisces. (Dope) Anyway he didn't get sick.

The history of those popes and the Vatican itself blows me away. Beyond decadence! A century or so ago, they took the pubescent girls from "honored" families and presented them to the perppy popes of those times. Sick stuff! The only thing good about the Vatican today is, if you have a family member who works in Vatican city, you can park any where you want and God knows what else. :cuss::flamemad::mad:

[Nawny]

P.S. Nawny i was 16 when i visited the Vatican so i was just in awe of the beauty. New nothing of all the politics at that time.

16?? Wow, what a great thing for you! It is a most unforgettable experience, truly. Last year I was in in Rome and we passed by the Vatican every day and saw hundreds of students who slept on the sidewalk lining the perimeter of the V city with their back packs etc. Interesting. We had to taxi to the main shopping district from our hotel, and it fascinated me to see all those kids there waiting to see the most intense art in the world. I figured they were Jewish. ;)

[beemer]

It truly is a work of Art. I do remember our guide talking of Michael A. laying on his back painting. Rich with history thats for sure-some not so good. Would ya not love to get down under and find out more secrets? I wonder if Bob had quit hysterically laughing at my boo boo. I thought Trader Vic's was a food market (where she got married) That would be trader Joe's-can ya tell I'm not American LMFAO. I thought maybe it was some cool trendy Cali thing :D

[beemer]

16?? Wow, what a great thing for you! It is a most unforgettable experience, truly. Last year I was in in Rome and we passed by the Vatican every day and saw hundreds of students who slept on the sidewalk lining the perimeter of the V city with their back packs etc. Interesting. We had to taxi to the main shopping district from our hotel, and it fascinated me to see all those kids there waiting to see the most intense art in the world. I figured they were Jewish. ;)

It was Nawny and i hope to get back. We did Venice,Florence and Rome. I would be outta my mind today with the Italian leather at the Florence flea markets. Nothing better than Italian leather. I can smell it a mile away :shrug:

[Nawny]

It truly is a work of Art. I do remember our guide talking of Michael A. laying on his back painting. Rich with history thats for sure-some not so good. Would ya not love to get down under and find out more secrets? I wonder if Bob had quit hysterically laughing at my boo boo. I thought Trader Vic's was a food market (where she got married) That would be trader Joe's-can ya tell I'm not American LMFAO. I thought maybe it was some cool trendy Cali thing :D

You're more American than I am! I never shopped at Trader Joes and we have one in town here. I also never heard of Trader Vics. :shrug: I know more about Europe than I know about the USA. Rhode Islanders live in a hole. ;)

I read so much on the secrets of the Vatican Empire and it was disturbing to say the least! Apparently it was learned that they have a great deal of stock in investments that they preach against; like the farms that breed cows from which they take hormones to make birth control pills. They also own Prince Macaroni, and much in the textile industry. It goes on and on, that list. Not to mention the largest collection of astrology books in the world. Nice non profit organization. :flamemad:

[Nawny]

It was Nawny and i hope to get back. We did Venice,Florence and Rome. I would be outta my mind today with the Italian leather at the Florence flea markets. Nothing better than Italian leather. I can smell it a mile away :shrug:

Ooooo momma mia yes, the leather! And the Sh sh sho shoes!!!!!!! lol!

[Nawny]

Beem, are you reading the Haleigh board? Looks like the egg is going to crack soon. I believe that Haleigh is gone, but not sure who or how many are going to jail. I would think that if Ron or anyone else knows about what happened, they're going.

I wonder how many people are going to name their new babies Haleigh or Caylee in the future.. :shrug: So sad for those children so innocent and so trusting :rose:

[beemer]

Ooooo momma mia yes, the leather! And the Sh sh sho shoes!!!!!!! lol!

I know-I would require some sedation as i would be outta my mind :biggrin:

[beemer]

You're more American than I am! I never shopped at Trader Joes and we have one in town here. I also never heard of Trader Vics. :shrug: I know more about Europe than I know about the USA. Rhode Islanders live in a hole. ;)

I read so much on the secrets of the Vatican Empire and it was disturbing to say the least! Apparently it was learned that they have a great deal of stock in investments that they preach against; like the farms that breed cows from which they take hormones to make birth control pills. They also own Prince Macaroni, and much in the textile industry. It goes on and on, that list. Not to mention the largest collection of astrology books in the world. Nice non profit organization. :flamemad:

Yep all in the name of religion :cuss: Oh dear i typed religion and then used the cuss guy :shrug:

[beemer]

Beem, are you reading the Haleigh board? Looks like the egg is going to crack soon. I believe that Haleigh is gone, but not sure who or how many are going to jail. I would think that if Ron or anyone else knows about what happened, they're going.

I wonder how many people are going to name their new babies Haleigh or Caylee in the future.. :shrug: So sad for those children so innocent and so trusting :rose:

I'm heading there now Nawny. I think she is in a better place too :rose:

[Nawny]

Yep all in the name of religion :cuss: Oh dear i typed religion and then used the cuss guy :shrug:

Haaaa!!!!! That's okay, God knows you're good. Don't mind those bastids in the Vat. I'll get them with my rolling pin! There all no GD good! Cuss away!:hat:

[shadydaisy]

I never had a majito either. Is it sweet? Ifso I'll do one of those. Waiting for my pizza. :beer:

They are sweet and they have mint in them. I hate mint.

I think Gator will enjoy this Boston tour.

http://www.northendboston.com/secrettours/tour.htm

And we get a free Canoli at the end. Yeeeeheee!

Aye, Clemenza! Doan forget the canolis!

Love canoli's but I don't eat cheesecake - yuck. I am aware I have food issues.

Beem, are you reading the Haleigh board? Looks like the egg is going to crack soon. I believe that Haleigh is gone, but not sure who or how many are going to jail. I would think that if Ron or anyone else knows about what happened, they're going.

I wonder how many people are going to name their new babies Haleigh or Caylee in the future.. :shrug: So sad for those children so innocent and so trusting :rose:

I certainly hope they come up with something soon. These people can't all be bright enough to get away with something of this magnitude. Way too many people involved.

Wags - nice isn't it not to have to go back and forth!

[beemer]

Haaaa!!!!! That's okay, God knows you're good. Don't mind those bastids in the Vat. I'll get them with my rolling pin! There all no GD good! Cuss away!:hat:

K-:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:
LMFAO

[beemer]

Mint-thats it thanks Shady i couldn't remember the leaf ya crush. Hey no worries we all have issues :D I have food issues too-mostly to do with bread.

[Nawny]

K-:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:
LMFAO

Laughing my head off!! You make yourself laugh too? I do it all the time. I get so :o when poppa asks me what I'm laughing at and it's myself. I just did it when I was writing an email and he asked. I laugh at my own emails. lol!

Those Vatican perps! :tongue: Yeah that's right! :cuss: They can Kiss MY ring and go take a high dive in a low lake. LOL! When they carried the pope in his chair down the long hollow corridor, I said, Oh paleeeze, GMAFB!

Now seriously. When I was in my 20's and married to my ex, (his uncle is a priest) we visited him in Becket Mass where the alcoholic and mentally challenged priests lived (or were hidden away)

There is a mansion there in the thick of woods and mountains. A wealthy man left it to the diocese. It was magnificent with a huge staircase like the one in the movie Gone With the Wind. THe furniture was elegant and there were 20 or so rooms all incredible with rich furnishings and draperies. The kitchen was state of the arts. Outside there was a veranda that wrapped around the place and the scenery was surreal..

His uncle was in charge of those low life renegade priests, most of them old.
If I wasn't disenchanted by the Catholic church then, I never will be. I was mortified to see them carrying on like a bunch of spoiled rotten jerks. The day room was loaded with plush chairs and hassocks and some very expensive recliners. The food was fit for kings. I believe in God and I'm sure he thought the whole scene was like a a divine comedy! ;) I couldn't help but remember the fear the nuns and priests instilled in me as a child.

After that visit I began to laugh in church. And cuss at their rules. :cuss: LOL!

[Nawny]

Mint-thats it thanks Shady i couldn't remember the leaf ya crush. Hey no worries we all have issues :D I have food issues too-mostly to do with bread.

You don't eat bread? :punch:

;)

I have food issues too. I won't eat Sushi. :no: Or Chinese food. Hmmm, and most fish. I do the cheesecake and bread though. But the bread has to be perfect. I'm loving these new breads they're selling lately at Daves Market. Ya know the ones with the hard crust and they can take me to heaven! My favorite is the olive oil Cabbata! OMG!

[beemer]

Oh i eat bread Nawny-same it must be perfect. Must be perfectly fresh and no air holes in it. At least not the big honkin ones. So it requires a few trips to the bread store LOL

[beemer]

Laughing my head off!! You make yourself laugh too? I do it all the time. I get so :o when poppa asks me what I'm laughing at and it's myself. I just did it when I was writing an email and he asked. I laugh at my own emails. lol!

Those Vatican perps! :tongue: Yeah that's right! :cuss: They can Kiss MY ring and go take a high dive in a low lake. LOL! When they carried the pope in his chair down the long hollow corridor, I said, Oh paleeeze, GMAFB!

Now seriously. When I was in my 20's and married to my ex, (his uncle is a priest) we visited him in Becket Mass where the alcoholic and mentally challenged priests lived (or were hidden away)

There is a mansion there in the thick of woods and mountains. A wealthy man left it to the diocese. It was magnificent with a huge staircase like the one in the movie Gone With the Wind. THe furniture was elegant and there were 20 or so rooms all incredible with rich furnishings and draperies. The kitchen was state of the arts. Outside there was a veranda that wrapped around the place and the scenery was surreal..

His uncle was in charge of those low life renegade priests, most of them old.
If I wasn't disenchanted by the Catholic church then, I never will be. I was mortified to see them carrying on like a bunch of spoiled rotten jerks. The day room was loaded with plush chairs and hassocks and some very expensive recliners. The food was fit for kings. I believe in God and I'm sure he thought the whole scene was like a a divine comedy! ;) I couldn't help but remember the fear the nuns and priests instilled in me as a child.

After that visit I began to laugh in church. And cuss at their rules. :cuss: LOL!
So true Nawny and they wonder why so many have left the church. Lots of em going broke up here paying off huge lawsuits from the Priestfesters :eek:

[Gatordog]

LOL! That Trader JOE'S! This is Trader Vic's http://www.tradervics.com/rest-emeryville.html (I hear Phil Spector likes it there. Correction...LIKED!!!)

Although weirdly it is tiki themed, too...

:o Me too. I thought is was the store. Figured maybe you met yor husband in the produce section. :tongue: It sounds as if it was a perfect wedding. Lots of fun and I love the description of your dress.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think Gator will enjoy this Boston tour.

http://www.northendboston.com/secrettours/tour.htm

And we get a free Canoli at the end. Yeeeeheee!

Aye, Clemenza! Doan forget the canolis!

Free Canoli, a real honest-to-goodness Canoli...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy057.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Nawny]

Yep, no http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport040.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) tomorrow. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores043.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) instead.

LOL! Cute smilies Gator! It's a rainy PJ day and I haven't gotten off my rear end all day. Well, I lied, I did 10 minutes on the gazelle this morning and did fold a load but didn't put them away. They're in the basket. lol!

I usually don't paint when Joe's home. He just went outside to cut some wood for the wood burner. He's in a low mood today because he gained weight. :( That wouldn't be the carrot cake he was picking on all week, or the fish and chips on Friday, or the pizza last night? I did it too but I don't care. :tongue: He gets upset with himself. But I love poppa no matter what he weighs.

I'm going to go :read: now. It's such a good day for it.

[deacon]

I had 2 glasses-3 and I'm in the bell jar. Whateva happened to the good ole day's :beer: I hear ya on the catholic thingy. I am Protestant. Hope i spelled that right LOL When i/we visited the Vatican back in the 70's we were told to bring a flower if not Catholic and he would bless the flower. My question was how would he know? I did it anyway's i was afraid of being struck down. Cant get much closer to heaven here on earth than the beauty of the Vatican. Is Gator able to stay more than a few days? I hope so.

Just think how many hungry people could be fed using the money that built that place and keeps it up. I think God would like that more.

[SaraSidle]

I think Gator will enjoy this Boston tour.

http://www.northendboston.com/secrettours/tour.htm

And we get a free Canoli at the end. Yeeeeheee!

Aye, Clemenza! Doan forget the canolis!

Could be more interesting than the freedom trail!!!!

[SaraSidle]

Haaaaa yep its all in the approach sometimes. Prolly been a bit since Gator has had some NY food. No hair hurtin day for me-I got sleepy and went to bed. So much for my YEE HAW night LOL You will have to keep a day to day diary of what you guys do-and share it-well most of it :D

Pictures do not forget pictures!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Nawny]

Just think how many hungry people could be fed using the money that built that place and keeps it up. I think God would like that more.

My sentiments exactly! :)

[BeastofBears]

*sigh* I had a good day. A fellow board member who hasn't seen me since last month did a double-take and said I looked "thin"...and 2 Berkeley weirdos hit on me. Being hungry feels better now.

It's funny how I don't like it when the weirdos mash, but then when it doesn't happen, I'm like, hey, what's up? :D

[Nawny]

*sigh* I had a good day. A fellow board member who hasn't seen me since last month did a double-take and said I looked "thin"...and 2 Berkeley weirdos hit on me. Being hungry feels better now.

It's funny how I don't like it when the weirdos mash, but then when it doesn't happen, I'm like, hey, what's up? :D

There ya go baby! :) Don't underestimate yourself just because you're a mommy. You're not quite dead yet. :hat:

[BeastofBears]

Just think how many hungry people could be fed using the money that built that place and keeps it up. I think God would like that more.

I totally approve of beautiful art and buildings, but can you imagine the untold beauty and wealth hidden away in the storage where no one either sees it or knows it's even there? Set it free, release it to museums so all can enjoy, and help create ways for people to feed themselves with the proceeds. Would just disbursing stored things be too much to consider?

It's not just Catholics. I remember when I was a kid our Baptist church, large of building and short of congregation (and getting shorter by the day) decided all they needed to boost attendance was a new $10,000 organ. (that was like 50,000 now). Even at 10 I thought that money could be better used, say, where the food line was up the street. But that was St. Anthony's dining room (Catholics!:eek:), and never the twain shall meet apparently.

[deacon]

My sentiments exactly! :)

We built a new church about 10 years ago. Not to make it fancy, just to make it big enough. Well, our benevolence budget is higher than our "upkeep" budget. We also helped build an AIDS hospice and orphanage for children who had lost their parents to AIDS in Africa.

As long as this church keeps its eye on the prize and keeps helping those who can not help themselves, I will continue to attend there no matter whether it is fancy or not. Some how, I think God thinks it is fancy enough. And sometimes He smiles at us.

[SaraSidle]

You don't eat bread? :punch:

;)

I have food issues too. I won't eat Sushi. :no: Or Chinese food. Hmmm, and most fish. I do the cheesecake and bread though. But the bread has to be perfect. I'm loving these new breads they're selling lately at Daves Market. Ya know the ones with the hard crust and they can take me to heaven! My favorite is the olive oil Cabbata! OMG!

I love Chinese and sushi (no raw fish). I have issues with looking at the whole fish on my plate. I also do not eat any fish caught in lakes. Only the oceans. and I love any bread except the 5 grain whole wheat bread stuff.

You guys are going to have such a great time.. I love Boston.
I even love Boston Brown Bread but I cannot find it anywhere. :chicken:

[BeastofBears]

We built a new church about 10 years ago. Not to make it fancy, just to make it big enough. Well, our benevolence budget is higher than our "upkeep" budget. We also helped build an AIDS hospice and orphanage for children who had lost their parents to AIDS in Africa.

As long as this church keeps its eye on the prize and keeps helping those who can not help themselves, I will continue to attend there no matter whether it is fancy or not. Some how, I think God thinks it is fancy enough. And sometimes He smiles at us.

That's sweet! :)

Sounds like you have a good church, deacon! The first Christian churches were just in people's houses and barns. Not fancy, but on fire.

[BeastofBears]

I love Chinese and sushi (no raw fish). I have issues with looking at the whole fish on my plate. I also do not eat any fish caught in lakes. Only the oceans. and I love any bread except the 5 grain whole wheat bread stuff.

You guys are going to have such a great time.. I love Boston.
I even love Boston Brown Bread but I cannot find it anywhere. :chicken:

Is this what you're looking for? http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/browse/Home/Food-Candy/Conveniently-Canned/Brown-Bread-in-a-Can-Set-of-2-Cans/D/30106/P/1:100:1020:100660/I/f07104?evar3=SEARCH

[deacon]

I totally approve of beautiful art and buildings, but can you imagine the untold beauty and wealth hidden away in the storage where no one either sees it or knows it's even there? Set it free, release it to museums so all can enjoy, and help create ways for people to feed themselves with the proceeds. Would just disbursing stored things be too much to consider?

It's not just Catholics. I remember when I was a kid our Baptist church, large of building and short of congregation (and getting shorter by the day) decided all they needed to boost attendance was a new $10,000 organ. (that was like 50,000 now). Even at 10 I thought that money could be better used, say, where the food line was up the street. But that was St. Anthony's dining room (Catholics!:eek:), and never the twain shall meet apparently.

Is there any question why it was getting shorter of congregation by the day? Thus my other post just under this one. I am Baptist also. Was raised Methodist. Doesn't really matter the "brand" to me as long as they are doing what Jesus would expect them to do. I seriously doubt he would want us to build all of the beautiful buildings until the hungry were fed and the sick were taken care of. Once all those probelms are taken care of guess what, there will be other people who need to be cared for. It is written:

"God does not dwell in houses made by human hands but in the hearts of people who love and follow Him" Thus my thoughts on big ornate buidlings. Art and that type of stuff has a place, just not so much in the worship of God. He would rather us love one another and show that love by helping others. Then his dwelling place will be beautiful more so than any buidling a human can imagine or build.:rose:

[Nawny]

We built a new church about 10 years ago. Not to make it fancy, just to make it big enough. Well, our benevolence budget is higher than our "upkeep" budget. We also helped build an AIDS hospice and orphanage for children who had lost their parents to AIDS in Africa.

As long as this church keeps its eye on the prize and keeps helping those who can not help themselves, I will continue to attend there no matter whether it is fancy or not. Some how, I think God thinks it is fancy enough. And sometimes He smiles at us.

Doing Good things are what it's all about of course. Every day, any where we go, the occasion to give to others seems to arise. Even the simple things like holding a door open for a weaker stranger, is an act of God. Or when someone drops a can of peas on the floor in a market, and we rush to pick it up for that person. Even smaller things, like letting a car cross before you even when you're in a hurry, or smaller still, like a smile and a nod, when someones eyes meet yours while you're walking your dog.

Our real church is in within us. IMO.

[Nawny]

Is there any question why it was getting shorter of congregation by the day? Thus my other post just under this one. I am Baptist also. Was raised Methodist. Doesn't really matter the "brand" to me as long as they are doing what Jesus would expect them to do. I seriously doubt he would want us to build all of the beautiful buildings until the hungry were fed and the sick were taken care of. Once all those problems are taken care of guess what, there will be other people who need to be cared for. It is written:

"God does not dwell in houses made by human hands but in the hearts of people who love and follow Him" Thus my thoughts on big ornate buildings. Art and that type of stuff has a place, just not so much in the worship of God. He would rather us love one another and show that love by helping others. Then his dwelling place will be beautiful more so than any building a human can imagine or build.:rose:

High five Deac!

I do believe there are many individuals who maintain that they believe in the Catholic faith, and live good lives. That's a good thing I suppose and I'm glad for them if they feel comfort in their church. I don't find comfort there. I find greed and don't like that they hoard riches while those around them are dying of starvation, or live in dire poverty, as in the case of the area that surrounds the Vatican. I suppose, (no I don't) the reason I find it hard to idolize the men and women who piously demand our fear and promote their own holiness, is I've seen their human shortcomings all too often.

I get a great laugh when I see them fall on their swords only to get back up on their tainted pedestals and preach God. It is nothing short of laughable. We are only human, and they want us to believe that if we give them money they are tickets to heaven? Ha, Double Ha!

The latest yuk I got was a few weeks ago when my daughter's sister in law paid the church to Baptise her baby and the priest refused to respect or acknowledge the man she chose to be the godfather. You see he had been divorced, so her money couldn't buy him a free ticket to approach the alter. She refused to pick another to be the godfather so the man had to stand away from the alter as the child was baptised. No refund either! So I guess the baby is half baptised. :shrug:

[BeastofBears]

I won't ever put a "Jesus fish" on my car. What if I did, and one day I cut someone off or worse? I would like to publicly shame God as little as possible. I guess that's my version of not joining the priesthood and having an epic fail. millstone city.

[SaraSidle]

Is this what you're looking for? http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/browse/Home/Food-Candy/Conveniently-Canned/Brown-Bread-in-a-Can-Set-of-2-Cans/D/30106/P/1:100:1020:100660/I/f07104?evar3=SEARCH

It is kind of like that BOb. It Is called BOSTON BAKED BREAD and is usually with BOSTON BAKED BEANS at the grocery store aisle. I know it is out East in a lot of places. Used to have it here in Michigan but we do not. sigh.
thanks for looking for me. sara

[Amy]

Just think how many hungry people could be fed using the money that built that place and keeps it up. I think God would like that more.

Like many--The Crystal church--Schyeller? in CA, and the Oral Roberts thing in CA, and there was the PTL theme park or whatever (that might not count, I am sure people paid for the rides and things? lol)

That's what I think about a lot of churches in every day America--they want our tithes, and to give money for the needy and poor here and in other countries, and for our missionaries--and the list goes on and on and on. Well, for goodness sake, put up a nice building, make sure there is heating and air conditioning and comfortable seating so people will come and spend some time, WORSHIPPING AND LEARNING about the Lord and Christianity (or whatever God and religion.)

Then put all that extra money into the things listed.

[Amy]

Doing Good things are what it's all about of course. Every day, any where we go, the occasion to give to others seems to arise. Even the simple things like holding a door open for a weaker stranger, is an act of God. Or when someone drops a can of peas on the floor in a market, and we rush to pick it up for that person. Even smaller things, like letting a car cross before you even when you're in a hurry, or smaller still, like a smile and a nod, when someones eyes meet yours while you're walking your dog.

Our real church is in within us. IMO.

I read a headline (but didn't read the article) about so many percent less citizens of the US proclaiming to be associated with organized religion. And, that might very well be true. As long as it isn't being used as proof that less people believe in God---because, from what I read and see and hear, the people still believe in God, it's organized religion that seems to pose a problem for many.

[Nawny]

I found a little God in this man.



By Bob Greene
CNN Contributor

Editor's note: CNN contributor Bob Greene is a best-selling author whose new book is "Late Edition: A Love Story."


Bob Greene says society can't afford to become numb to the killing of entire families.

(CNN) -- There are some things we should never allow ourselves to get used to.

Yes, ours is a violent society. We take ghastly acts, and, almost out of exhausted resignation, we categorize them with convenient labels.

The mowing down of people walking along city streets? "Drive-by shootings," as if the carnage is part of some video game. The attacks, sometimes deadly, upon motorists on their way home? "Road rage," as if the brutal assaults are understandable, a traffic-related offense.

We probably shouldn't be blamed for at times letting all of this wash over us. There is only so much cruelty that can be absorbed before a kind of numbness sets in.

Yet there is a certain kind of crime we must not let ourselves become accustomed to. Because if we do, then we are truly adrift.

Twice during the last week, reports of such crimes have been presented to us.

In North Naples, Florida, a woman and her five children were found slain in their townhouse. The throats of Guerline Damas and her sons and daughters, their ages ranging from 11 months to 9 years, had been slashed. Damas' husband, Mesac Damas, faces six counts of first-degree murder.

A family, erased.

And just as that news was sinking in came the report from the tiny town of Beason, Illinois. Raymond Gee, 46, his wife, Ruth, 39, and three of their children were found dead in their home, all five the victims of blunt-force trauma. Logan County Sheriff Steven Nichols said it was "a brutal homicide against an entire family." Police were looking for the killer or killers.

The violent obliteration of families, either by members of those families or by outside intruders, crushes something elemental in us, something sacrosanct. The murder of families is like no other crime, because to carry out such an act speaks of -- there is no other proper phrase for it -- utter soullessness.

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We have always been taught: When there is nothing else, there is family. When, in times of the deepest despair, there is no one to lean on, there is family. Family is -- or at least should be -- the synonym for safety. Life's protective barrier against the world's dangers.

For people in families with agonizing problems, this can be tested and can fail. And the concept of family has been trivialized by some who would use it to further their own ends: certain political operatives and entertainment conglomerates and marketing firms, who know that "family" is such an emotionally powerful word that it can be used to sell just about anything.

But the power of the word is based on something profound and real, which is why, when someone decides to eradicate entire families, the implications are not just Shakepearean in their force, but something approaching biblical. This is not supposed to happen. No one has the right.

And although it is not an everyday occurrence, it transpires enough that we begin to forget the names and places.

In Mason, Ohio, last year, police said that Michel Veillette stabbed his wife, Nadya, and then set fire to the family's home, killing their four children, Marguerite, Vincent, Jacob and Mia. Veillette hanged himself in a jail cell while awaiting trial. In a Towson, Maryland, hotel room in April, police said, William Parente killed his wife, Betty, and daughters Catherine and Stephanie, before taking his own life. In Columbia, Illinois, this year, Sheri Coleman and her children Garett and Gavin were found strangled in their home. Coleman's husband, Christopher, has been charged with first-degree murder.

It is not an American phenomenon. In the village of Kabulpura in India this month, seven members of a retired teacher's family were found strangled. A 19-year-old woman and her boyfriend have been arrested; police said that the dead included the young woman's parents and her brother.

In South Africa four years ago, 15 people died in a single weekend when men opened fire on their own family members. Liz Dooley, director of the Family Life Centre in Johannesburg, told the South African Press Association that news reports of such crimes were potentially dangerous, because if people read or hear about them, "it becomes catching."

Meaning: Others may copy the crimes and commit them against their own families. As if such a thought is even comprehensible.

Often a motive, after the fact, is ascribed: jealousy or money problems or alcohol or drugs. Sometimes robbery, with the families selected at random.

All of which, in a law-enforcement sense, may be factual.

But the willful and violent ending of a family's life must never become one more story at which we glance briefly and then turn the newspaper page or zap to another channel on the cable box or click to the next screen on our laptop.

For if we lose our capacity to be shattered when this happens, then we have lost a part of ourselves.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Bob Greene.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/27/greene.family.murders/index.html

Murder in the the worst degree.

[Nawny]

It is kind of like that BOb. It Is called BOSTON BAKED BREAD and is usually with BOSTON BAKED BEANS at the grocery store aisle. I know it is out East in a lot of places. Used to have it here in Michigan but we do not. sigh.
thanks for looking for me. sara

I've neverseen that sara. I'll check out the market for that. It sounds delicious!

[Nawny]

Pictures do not forget pictures!!!!!!!!!!!1

Of course! I go no where without that camera! I love to stop moments in time!
:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

I've neverseen that sara. I'll check out the market for that. It sounds delicious!

You would love it. very moist bread made with molasses and actually comes out of the can like that cranberry jello stuff from Ocean spray. Good for breakfast or with baked beans and hotdogs or hamburgers.

[SaraSidle]

I found a little God in this man.



By Bob Greene
CNN Contributor

Editor's note: CNN contributor Bob Greene is a best-selling author whose new book is "Late Edition: A Love Story."


Bob Greene says society can't afford to become numb to the killing of entire families.

(CNN) -- There are some things we should never allow ourselves to get used to.

Yes, ours is a violent society. We take ghastly acts, and, almost out of exhausted resignation, we categorize them with convenient labels.

The mowing down of people walking along city streets? "Drive-by shootings," as if the carnage is part of some video game. The attacks, sometimes deadly, upon motorists on their way home? "Road rage," as if the brutal assaults are understandable, a traffic-related offense.

We probably shouldn't be blamed for at times letting all of this wash over us. There is only so much cruelty that can be absorbed before a kind of numbness sets in.

Yet there is a certain kind of crime we must not let ourselves become accustomed to. Because if we do, then we are truly adrift.

Twice during the last week, reports of such crimes have been presented to us.

In North Naples, Florida, a woman and her five children were found slain in their townhouse. The throats of Guerline Damas and her sons and daughters, their ages ranging from 11 months to 9 years, had been slashed. Damas' husband, Mesac Damas, faces six counts of first-degree murder.

A family, erased.

And just as that news was sinking in came the report from the tiny town of Beason, Illinois. Raymond Gee, 46, his wife, Ruth, 39, and three of their children were found dead in their home, all five the victims of blunt-force trauma. Logan County Sheriff Steven Nichols said it was "a brutal homicide against an entire family." Police were looking for the killer or killers.

The violent obliteration of families, either by members of those families or by outside intruders, crushes something elemental in us, something sacrosanct. The murder of families is like no other crime, because to carry out such an act speaks of -- there is no other proper phrase for it -- utter soullessness.

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Commentary: America on a collision course
In Depth: Commentaries
We have always been taught: When there is nothing else, there is family. When, in times of the deepest despair, there is no one to lean on, there is family. Family is -- or at least should be -- the synonym for safety. Life's protective barrier against the world's dangers.

For people in families with agonizing problems, this can be tested and can fail. And the concept of family has been trivialized by some who would use it to further their own ends: certain political operatives and entertainment conglomerates and marketing firms, who know that "family" is such an emotionally powerful word that it can be used to sell just about anything.

But the power of the word is based on something profound and real, which is why, when someone decides to eradicate entire families, the implications are not just Shakepearean in their force, but something approaching biblical. This is not supposed to happen. No one has the right.

And although it is not an everyday occurrence, it transpires enough that we begin to forget the names and places.

In Mason, Ohio, last year, police said that Michel Veillette stabbed his wife, Nadya, and then set fire to the family's home, killing their four children, Marguerite, Vincent, Jacob and Mia. Veillette hanged himself in a jail cell while awaiting trial. In a Towson, Maryland, hotel room in April, police said, William Parente killed his wife, Betty, and daughters Catherine and Stephanie, before taking his own life. In Columbia, Illinois, this year, Sheri Coleman and her children Garett and Gavin were found strangled in their home. Coleman's husband, Christopher, has been charged with first-degree murder.

It is not an American phenomenon. In the village of Kabulpura in India this month, seven members of a retired teacher's family were found strangled. A 19-year-old woman and her boyfriend have been arrested; police said that the dead included the young woman's parents and her brother.

In South Africa four years ago, 15 people died in a single weekend when men opened fire on their own family members. Liz Dooley, director of the Family Life Centre in Johannesburg, told the South African Press Association that news reports of such crimes were potentially dangerous, because if people read or hear about them, "it becomes catching."

Meaning: Others may copy the crimes and commit them against their own families. As if such a thought is even comprehensible.

Often a motive, after the fact, is ascribed: jealousy or money problems or alcohol or drugs. Sometimes robbery, with the families selected at random.

All of which, in a law-enforcement sense, may be factual.

But the willful and violent ending of a family's life must never become one more story at which we glance briefly and then turn the newspaper page or zap to another channel on the cable box or click to the next screen on our laptop.

For if we lose our capacity to be shattered when this happens, then we have lost a part of ourselves.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Bob Greene.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/27/greene.family.murders/index.html

Murder in the the worst degree.


Nawny I read this earlier and thought about posting it but could not make up my mind where. It has really been bothering me lately with all the family's being murdered. thanks for posting it. it is very meaningful and true IMO

[deacon]

High five Deac!

I do believe there are many individuals who maintain that they believe in the Catholic faith, and live good lives. That's a good thing I suppose and I'm glad for them if they feel comfort in their church. I don't find comfort there. I find greed and don't like that they hoard riches while those around them are dying of starvation, or live in dire poverty, as in the case of the area that surrounds the Vatican. I suppose, (no I don't) the reason I find it hard to idolize the men and women who piously demand our fear and promote their own holiness, is I've seen their human shortcomings all too often.

I get a great laugh when I see them fall on their swords only to get back up on their tainted pedestals and preach God. It is nothing short of laughable. We are only human, and they want us to believe that if we give them money they are tickets to heaven? Ha, Double Ha!

The latest yuk I got was a few weeks ago when my daughter's sister in law paid the church to Baptise her baby and the priest refused to respect or acknowledge the man she chose to be the godfather. You see he had been divorced, so her money couldn't buy him a free ticket to approach the alter. She refused to pick another to be the godfather so the man had to stand away from the alter as the child was baptised. No refund either! So I guess the baby is half baptised. :shrug:

Baptism is not a service to be paid for. And divorce is not the end of one's life with God. A lot of the people in my Sunday School class are divorced. Doesn't make them evil or unlovable to God or his church. If the divorce was not for Biblical reasons then it was a sin. So is what the priest did. So, the priest and the godfather are even. Both have sinned just like the rest of us. The Catholics seem to have a way of grading sins and that isn't in the Bible. Sin is seperation from God because we have done wrong. When we confess our sins to God, not a human, and repent, turn away from them, we are forgiven. Now if God has forgiven the sin, why can the church not forgive them. I guess the priest thinks his sins are forgiven so he can continue in service to God but no one elses can. That is the type of elitist garbage that I despise. Just because he is a priest (insert preacher here too) does not make him something special in the eyes of God. In fact, the Bible says he will be held to a higher standard than someone that is not a priest or preacher. Kinda like being a deacon (servant, yes, that is what the word means). Or a teacher of the Bible. We are held to a higher standard. Makes one stop and think about how they act and how they teach.

[Nawny]

Baptism is not a service to be paid for[/B]. And divorce is not the end of one's life with God. A lot of the people in my Sunday School class are divorced. Doesn't make them evil or unlovable to God or his church. If the divorce was not for Biblical reasons then it was a sin. [B]So is what the priest did. So, the priest and the godfather are even. Both have sinned just like the rest of us. The Catholics seem to have a way of grading sins and that isn't in the Bible. Sin is separation from God because we have done wrong. When we confess our sins to God, not a human, and repent, turn away from them, we are forgiven. Now if God has forgiven the sin, why can the church not forgive them. I guess the priest thinks his sins are forgiven so he can continue in service to God but no one elses can. That is the type of elitist garbage that I despise. Just because he is a priest (insert preacher here too) does not make him something special in the eyes of God. In fact, the Bible says he will be held to a higher standard than someone that is not a priest or preacher. Kinda like being a deacon (servant, yes, that is what the word means). Or a teacher of the Bible. We are held to a higher standard. Makes one stop and think about how they act and how they teach.

Good post deacon! :seeya:

"Call no man father, but my father in heaven" is scripture, isn't it?

Yes Catholics pay to baptise a wee little innocent child and it costs some money to marry in church also. And for a funeral mass as well. So poor Catholics get the shaft. They simply cannot go to heaven. :hat:

[Nawny]

Nawny I read this earlier and thought about posting it but could not make up my mind where. It has really been bothering me lately with all the family's being murdered. thanks for posting it. it is very meaningful and true IMO

Yes sara, it is all so true and disturbing. His most important point in the story, I think, is the media, by reporting it, is causing the copycat syndrome explode. There are so many sick minds out there steeped in anger, who may have never explored the idea until they heard/saw it on the news. How devastating!

[deacon]

Good post deacon! :seeya:

"Call no man father, but my father in heaven" is scripture, isn't it?

Yes Catholics pay to baptise a wee little innocent child and it costs some money to marry in church also. And for a funeral mass as well. So poor Catholics get the shaft. They simply cannot go to heaven. :hat:

Baptism is an outward sign of a change that has taken place inwardly. Not a "right" that gets one into heaven. At least that is what Jesus taught and I, for one, am not going to argue with Jesus. Remember the thief on the cross? He was not baptised. Jesus told him, "today you will be with me in paridise. Hmmmmm so much for the thought that one must be baptised to get into heaven.:no:

[Nawny]

I won't ever put a "Jesus fish" on my car. What if I did, and one day I cut someone off or worse? I would like to publicly shame God as little as possible. I guess that's my version of not joining the priesthood and having an epic fail. millstone city.

A Jesus Fish? I thought those were Darwin fish. Oh Rhode Islanders love to cut you off. I have to temper my inner road rage every time I drive. It's like there's a fire somewhere and they have to be rude in order to get where they're going. Most often it's to get to the same red light I get to. :cuss: My beloved poppa used to be one of them until I tuned him up one night. I told him to pull over and I citizen arrested him and made him sit in the passenger seat, first I announced it, then I drove like he did and almost made him chit his pants. That was fun! He's all beddah now Ollie. :D

Years ago, it was fine to be an aggressive driver. There are too many cars on the road now and the cars are fine tuned high end machines that can navigate much easier. So, to be safe you have to let them cluster in front of you so they can play chicken on the big playground called the "Turnpike." Wayyyy in front of you. I hang back and let them pass me. They're nuts!

[Nawny]

Baptism is an outward sign of a change that has taken place inwardly. Not a "right" that gets one into heaven. At least that is what Jesus taught and I, for one, am not going to argue with Jesus. Remember the thief on the cross? He was not baptised. Jesus told him, "today you will be with me in paridise. Hmmmmm so much for the thought that one must be baptised to get into heaven.:no:

True deacon. And this is common knowledge. Why don't they get it?

[Nawny]

My dear deacon, I dare say I'd join your church. :) I like what you say sir.

[Marian Paroo]

The original fish decals are Chrsitian.

The Darwin, Gefilte and &chips take-off's came later.

[beemer]

Good i wont feel so bad than. None of my 3 kids who are now young adults have ever been baptized. I felt like a hypocrit if i went for several Sundays just to do the ceremony and never go back. They were all taught God's teachings and to live by them. I felt and told them when you are old enough you can decide which church and religion. As long as they believed it was good enough for Hubby and I. I got away from our United church many many years ago when it split over the gay issue. That cheezed me off. Now and again I drop into one to see if its a good fit. I found one i really liked and started to go often. Then they started speaking in tongue and falling on the floor I was :chicken: So for now if i dont find a good fit I'm good with that. I know whats in my head and my heart.

[beemer]

Just think how many hungry people could be fed using the money that built that place and keeps it up. I think God would like that more.
For sure but i was all of 16 and in awe of the beauty. If i leave out the politics today I still am.

[BeastofBears]

I read a headline (but didn't read the article) about so many percent less citizens of the US proclaiming to be associated with organized religion. And, that might very well be true. As long as it isn't being used as proof that less people believe in God---because, from what I read and see and hear, the people still believe in God, it's organized religion that seems to pose a problem for many.

The churches that seem to be growing out here are non-denominational ones. The one I go to is Baptist affiliated, but it isn't Baptist, and it is getting huge, over 4000 members now. It started in a living room Bible study. I think people are at a point where they don't trust any form of government, even church government...

[BeastofBears]

A Jesus Fish? I thought those were Darwin fish. Oh Rhode Islanders love to cut you off. I have to temper my inner road rage every time I drive. It's like there's a fire somewhere and they have to be rude in order to get where they're going. Most often it's to get to the same red light I get to. :cuss: My beloved poppa used to be one of them until I tuned him up one night. I told him to pull over and I citizen arrested him and made him sit in the passenger seat, first I announced it, then I drove like he did and almost made him chit his pants. That was fun! He's all beddah now Ollie. :D

Years ago, it was fine to be an aggressive driver. There are too many cars on the road now and the cars are fine tuned high end machines that can navigate much easier. So, to be safe you have to let them cluster in front of you so they can play chicken on the big playground called the "Turnpike." Wayyyy in front of you. I hang back and let them pass me. They're nuts!

The ones with feet are Darwin fish. They were made to mock Christians with Jesus fish on their cars.

I won't describe my driving habits. You would fear me. Hence...no fish! I know my flaws :D

[BeastofBears]

The original fish decals are Chrsitian.

The Darwin, Gefilte and &chips take-off's came later.

Hey Marian, I like your sig! Do you get Judge Judy out there? My favorite Judy-ism is: "You picked him!"

A friend of mine works for a major talk show here and Judy was a guest. She was one of my buddy's favorite people ever. Nice to her, easy guest, funny, sarcastic...in short, her kind of people.

[Nawny]

The ones with feet are Darwin fish. They were made to mock Christians with Jesus fish on their cars.

I won't describe my driving habits. You would fear me. Hence...no fish! I know my flaws :D

Don't make me...


;)

[Nawny]

Good i wont feel so bad than. None of my 3 kids who are now young adults have ever been baptized. I felt like a hypocrit if i went for several Sundays just to do the ceremony and never go back. They were all taught God's teachings and to live by them. I felt and told them when you are old enough you can decide which church and religion. As long as they believed it was good enough for Hubby and I. I got away from our United church many many years ago when it split over the gay issue. That cheezed me off. Now and again I drop into one to see if its a good fit. I found one i really liked and started to go often. Then they started speaking in tongue and falling on the floor I was :chicken: So for now if i dont find a good fit I'm good with that. I know whats in my head and my heart.

LOL!LOL!! I'm sorry Beem, I just had a laughing fit.. wiping tears.. I'm so glad you did not post this around midnight because it would have woke me up for the duration! ROTFL!!


I started my children off in a Catholic school. I was young and wasn't sure if I'd do them harm by relieving myself on the church. What they experienced tore me the rest of the way out. I took them out of there and taught them about God, the real McCoy.

They were getting very confused and knew something was not right. Especially Danny, the day his teacher put a chair over his shoulders and made him stand in the hall all day without lunch because his hands were dirty. My other children had to walk past him and couldn't say a word. When they got home that day they were all in tears and asked if God liked what happened. Broke my heart. I was in that flying nun's office the next day and she probably hasn't forgotten what I had to say. The only good thing is, my children witnessed my rage at the sacrilegious behavior of that so called Catholic School and how I defended them and the lord. That was only one incident but it was the last one.

Some of those nuns were sick menopausal maniacs.

[Nawny]

Hey Marian, I like your sig! Do you get Judge Judy out there? My favorite Judy-ism is: "You picked him!"

A friend of mine works for a major talk show here and Judy was a guest. She was one of my buddy's favorite people ever. Nice to her, easy guest, funny, sarcastic...in short, her kind of people.

That is one lady I'd love to meet! Oh and she was so right! I picked them all.
;) (Till I found the right one, that is.)

[beemer]

Good for you Nawny that took alot of guts but we will defend our children at any cost when they are mistreated. I have many Catholic friends and have heard some bizzare stories from their school days. You prolly remember the story i told ya bout getting spanked by the nun with her bible. Even the young age i was i knew it was wrong. Maybe she knew i wasn't Catholic ;)

[beemer]

Glad ya had a chuckle Nawny-it is funny. When i first went i luved that it was so musical and upbeat and i luved the hymms that were sung. I did notice people off in small groups but really didn't pay attention. As i got more comfortable i moved closer to the front of the church and thats when i saw the goings on. Man i beatfeet i was afraid I'd never be heard from again :D

[beemer]

When i was in grade 7 we had a teacher who was a fanatic. Formed a small after school Bible group. Oh and yes i did attend. Then it got weird. Music was the devil and we were to bring in all our albums and smash them. One day in Geography class he freaked out and locked us in the classroom for hours. Ranting and going on about the Lord. I remember his sweat hitting our desks as he raged up and down the rows. I think the Principal crawled thru a window and talked him down and police where there to cart him off. We never saw him again :shrug:

[Nawny]

Good for you Nawny that took alot of guts but we will defend our children at any cost when they are mistreated. I have many Catholic friends and have heard some bizzare stories from their school days. You prolly remember the story i told ya bout getting spanked by the nun with her bible. Even the young age i was i knew it was wrong. Maybe she knew i wasn't Catholic ;)

Did you tell your nawny on her? I would have had her arrested!:cuss: There are tons stories of abuse. Shadey Daisy has scars on her knees from kneeling on rice for a punishment.

Gotta go do a few laps on the gazelle. :) I ate all my Shredded wheat. I read the article about diets in the RD today. There is no such thing as a diet. Just eat right, exercise and try to grow old gracefully. So I'll try that.

:seeya:

[beemer]

Did you tell your nawny on her? I would have had her arrested!:cuss: There are tons stories of abuse. Shadey Daisy has scars on her knees from kneeling on rice for a punishment.

Gotta go do a few laps on the gazelle. :) I ate all my Shredded wheat. I read the article about diets in the RD today. There is no such thing as a diet. Just eat right, exercise and try to grow old gracefully. So I'll try that.

:seeya:
Yeah i did tell my parents but i guess they were afraid of the Nun's themselves. Or maybe cuz my Mom worked in a Catholic hospital at the time. Not sure why they didn't follow up. That sounds like a fine healthy plan Nawny. Yep give up the diet thing. It has the word die in it :chicken:

[Nawny]

Yeah i did tell my parents but i guess they were afraid of the Nun's themselves. Or maybe cuz my Mom worked in a Catholic hospital at the time. Not sure why they didn't follow up. That sounds like a fine healthy plan Nawny. Yep give up the diet thing. It has the word die in it :chicken:

Hmmm, I never noticed that Beem. Something to think about! Does that mean I can eat those M&M's in my candy dishes? No, no,, shhh.. I can't do that. The weebles will get mad at me. ;)
:hat:

[beemer]

[/B]

Hmmm, I never noticed that Beem. Something to think about! Does that mean I can eat those M&M's in my candy dishes? No, no,, shhh.. I can't do that. The weebles will get mad at me. ;)
:hat:

Those weebles :rose: I just know I cant give of my chocolate. I would be postal :eek:

[beemer]

Gawd weather here is terrible today. Horrible high winds,chilly and the sky looks so threatening. Terrible storm in the night. Yesterday aft. was so warm and sunny. I dont like the fall. It is pretty but i know what follows. I was gonna go get some pretty fall Mum's today. I think i will wait till tomorrow.

[Amy]

A Jesus Fish? I thought those were Darwin fish. Oh Rhode Islanders love to cut you off. I have to temper my inner road rage every time I drive. It's like there's a fire somewhere and they have to be rude in order to get where they're going. Most often it's to get to the same red light I get to. :cuss: My beloved poppa used to be one of them until I tuned him up one night. I told him to pull over and I citizen arrested him and made him sit in the passenger seat, first I announced it, then I drove like he did and almost made him chit his pants. That was fun! He's all beddah now Ollie. :D

Years ago, it was fine to be an aggressive driver. There are too many cars on the road now and the cars are fine tuned high end machines that can navigate much easier. So, to be safe you have to let them cluster in front of you so they can play chicken on the big playground called the "Turnpike." Wayyyy in front of you. I hang back and let them pass me. They're nuts!

I'd rather follow someone for miles than to pass. It just skeers the waddin' out of me. Especially if it's a semi. It takes them a long time to stop after slamming on the brakes, but it takes me a few seconds in a regular vehicle. If figure, if the truck is behind me, I'm gonna get run over, if I'm behind the vehicle, I will stop long before I catch up to him.

DD says it's a good thing DS doesn't have his license. He says the speed limit is whatever everyone else is doing. :eek: Unless, of course, if it is bad weather, then you just slow down, lol. He insists that you can be ticketed for speeding if everyone else is. He doesn't watch Speeders, I guess. He and his friends have some weird ideas about the law and what one can and cannot get arrested for. DD suggested he get the drivers handbook and study it a bit before he ventures to take the written test!!!

My take on speed limits. County type roads here are posted 55--that means I go about 60, others go faster. If it is posted 65--that means I go about 70, others go faster. On the big roads that are posted 70, I go about 70, that's fast enough for me!!! :D In town, 30 means 30, maybe 32 if I'm really pushed for time and there is no traffic. 20 means school zone and means 20, period. The little burgs we pass thru to get from here to there are generally 40 or 45--and that means 40 or 45--and the local cops make sure folks don't go any faster than that!!!

[beemer]

I think we get wiser as we get older (and vice versa) LOL I hate passing too Amy unless i have a clear shot. Prolly too many scares. I live just off a major highway and as it gets outta the city limits so many head on crashes. It's only 2 lane with lots of folk turning off to farm houses, and county roads. It really should be 4 lane. About a block from my street is just crazy on fridays and worse on holiday weekends. Everything is there within a 4 block area. Bank,grocery store,fast food,beer store,pharmacy-you name it it's there. Friggin gridlock and the parking lots are enter at your own risk-a free for all. So i plan ahead ;)

[BeastofBears]

I think we get wiser as we get older (and vice versa) LOL I hate passing too Amy unless i have a clear shot. Prolly too many scares. I live just off a major highway and as it gets outta the city limits so many head on crashes. It's only 2 lane with lots of folk turning off to farm houses, and county roads. It really should be 4 lane. About a block from my street is just crazy on fridays and worse on holiday weekends. Everything is there within a 4 block area. Bank,grocery store,fast food,beer store,pharmacy-you name it it's there. Friggin gridlock and the parking lots are enter at your own risk-a free for all. So i plan ahead ;)

Here, it's "lead follow or get out of the way"...it's actually dangerous to be a tentative driver with everyone else so aggressive. My mom, tentative. Scares the heck out of me when I follow her. She'll be doing 45 when everyone else is doing 65, try to lane change, chicken out and swerve back when someone comes up on her fast...eeep!!!

The thing that is really scary is we have a lot of people who drive under another country's rules, where red lights are more of a suggestion, you know? So lots of random red lights get run and you have no idea it's coming, right of way is not followed at all, pedestrians are fair game....

[Amy]

Baptism is not a service to be paid for. And divorce is not the end of one's life with God. A lot of the people in my Sunday School class are divorced. Doesn't make them evil or unlovable to God or his church. If the divorce was not for Biblical reasons then it was a sin. So is what the priest did. So, the priest and the godfather are even. Both have sinned just like the rest of us. The Catholics seem to have a way of grading sins and that isn't in the Bible. Sin is seperation from God because we have done wrong. When we confess our sins to God, not a human, and repent, turn away from them, we are forgiven. Now if God has forgiven the sin, why can the church not forgive them. I guess the priest thinks his sins are forgiven so he can continue in service to God but no one elses can. That is the type of elitist garbage that I despise. Just because he is a priest (insert preacher here too) does not make him something special in the eyes of God. In fact, the Bible says he will be held to a higher standard than someone that is not a priest or preacher. Kinda like being a deacon (servant, yes, that is what the word means). Or a teacher of the Bible. We are held to a higher standard. Makes one stop and think about how they act and how they teach.

I didn't pay for Baptism of my kids. It was pretty much, they will be doing Baptisms on such and such date, and whomever is wanting to be Baptized lets the preacher know, and it's all part of the Sunday service.

I don't know about weddings--I remember the groom give the preacher "something"--back when my sisters got married 40 or so years ago, $10 or $15 probably. Don't have a clue if it's required, custom, or if there is a particular amount. In the dinky burg I grew up in, there was no cost for using the church or the fellowship hall, just had to make sure your name was on the calendar that you would be using that particular day.

The only cost I have heard about relating to funerals is for the funeral home itself. No cost for the preacher or musicians or anyone else. @ least, in the rural area where I grew up. I don't know if that holds true for here in "the city" or not.

[Amy]

Did you tell your nawny on her? I would have had her arrested!:cuss: There are tons stories of abuse. Shadey Daisy has scars on her knees from kneeling on rice for a punishment.

Gotta go do a few laps on the gazelle. :) I ate all my Shredded wheat. I read the article about diets in the RD today. There is no such thing as a diet. Just eat right, exercise and try to grow old gracefully. So I'll try that.

:seeya:

Bolding mine.

That's what I have read thru out most all "diets" and even the "miracle" pills or exercise machines or teas or what have you (all except the one where you only eat grapefruit or onion stew or whatever.) When you read the directions and small print, the same things are listed on every single one: Eat sensibly, exercise routinely and drink 8 glasses of water a day. Every single one.

Even the ones that advertise "Lose weight while eating what you like" "You don't have to change your eating habits." "No extreme exercise routines." Etc, etc, etc. But, if you read @ the bottom of the tv screen, there is something about, results vary. Recently there was one where it said the results of the one in the ad was "unusual" or something like that. Kind of tips you off right there. So, it really isn't surprising when you read the small print about "best results occur with eat right, exercise, drink H2O." Save your money on the "miracle" things, it's the other that is what does the trick. IMO

[Amy]

Here, it's "lead follow or get out of the way"...it's actually dangerous to be a tentative driver with everyone else so aggressive. My mom, tentative. Scares the heck out of me when I follow her. She'll be doing 45 when everyone else is doing 65, try to lane change, chicken out and swerve back when someone comes up on her fast...eeep!!!

The thing that is really scary is we have a lot of people who drive under another country's rules, where red lights are more of a suggestion, you know? So lots of random red lights get run and you have no idea it's coming, right of way is not followed at all, pedestrians are fair game....

Bolding mine.

In addition, in my area, there are those who have yet to learn to read or speak English. How the heck can they read the road signs if they can't read English!!! Not all signs are the picture kind that are supposed to be "universal."

[BeastofBears]

Bolding mine.

In addition, in my area, there are those who have yet to learn to read or speak English. How the heck can they read the road signs if they can't read English!!! Not all signs are the picture kind that are supposed to be "universal."

Total chaos.

[Nawny]

I didn't pay for Baptism of my kids. It was pretty much, they will be doing Baptisms on such and such date, and whomever is wanting to be Baptized lets the preacher know, and it's all part of the Sunday service.

I don't know about weddings--I remember the groom give the preacher "something"--back when my sisters got married 40 or so years ago, $10 or $15 probably. Don't have a clue if it's required, custom, or if there is a particular amount. In the dinky burg I grew up in, there was no cost for using the church or the fellowship hall, just had to make sure your name was on the calendar that you would be using that particular day.

The only cost I have heard about relating to funerals is for the funeral home itself. No cost for the preacher or musicians or anyone else. @ least, in the rural area where I grew up. I don't know if that holds true for here in "the city" or not.


They call it a "donation" Amy. They require a "donation" for everything. Funerals are $200 to $500 hundred dollar donations and they provide the envelope.

It's a write off, they advise. When my SIL's dad passed, he had his eulogy prepared. The pastor told him on that day, there would be no time for him to say that eulogy on the alter. He wept. I didn't understand. I still don't. It just reinforced my attitude about the C church. (In these parts of the country)

My SIL was raised Irish Catholic. He was an alter boy. One of the priests that worked in the parish when he was an alter boy was recently arrested for crimes against children. He remembers him, but claims he wasn't touched. His family is made up of die hard Catholics but after the deal at the funeral for his father, he isn't playing anymore. He was approached by the school to enroll 3 of my weebs in catechism. he said, "No" THings are a changin! :(

Anyway they know God. Who is closer to God than a child? We talk about him a lot. They think the birds go where he is. I told them, yep, they do! :) They say :eek: Wow nawn!!!! Why can't we fly up there? Um,, ahh, er, because he needs you down here. Is there an elevator that goes up there? Um, nope, no elevators.

Why not nawn? :)

Children:rose:

[SaraSidle]

Yes sara, it is all so true and disturbing. His most important point in the story, I think, is the media, by reporting it, is causing the copycat syndrome explode. There are so many sick minds out there steeped in anger, who may have never explored the idea until they heard/saw it on the news. How devastating!

yeah almost like street gang fights or domestic disputes in a bigger proportion. I personally feel the economy plays a major part. No Parent wants to lose control of taking care of their family and losing the house and not able to provide. It makes people suicidal and homicidal. Rage and depression. all very sad. We should almost start a thread for it. we Had the one many who killed like 4 relatives in one state and a friend in another. We had the kid kill his family in the trailer. WE had the whole Gee family in ILL.etc etc. I am losing track. Another bad sign.............sara

[beemer]

Here, it's "lead follow or get out of the way"...it's actually dangerous to be a tentative driver with everyone else so aggressive. My mom, tentative. Scares the heck out of me when I follow her. She'll be doing 45 when everyone else is doing 65, try to lane change, chicken out and swerve back when someone comes up on her fast...eeep!!!

The thing that is really scary is we have a lot of people who drive under another country's rules, where red lights are more of a suggestion, you know? So lots of random red lights get run and you have no idea it's coming, right of way is not followed at all, pedestrians are fair game....

It's that way here too Bob if ya dont keep up on the major highways everybody is honkin at ya. I only hate it in the city when everyone is going way over the speed limit and there is an inch between ya. You know you have been to Toronto. Way too many vehicles and way too fast.

[Amy]

I have been to funerals here (the "big" city) in the bigger churches. They aren't quite the same as "back home." Where, especially if the preacher is new and doesn't know the deceased @ all, family members may get up and do the majority of the service. Blue jeans (the new, clean ones) and Sunday shirts and boots and hats are what the folks wear to some of the funerals for "good ol' boys."

A couple of years ago, an elderly man died. His was a graveside service, and his eldest son who is kind of a cowboy poet did the talk. I suppose the preacher read a few verses and that type of thing, but didn't really listen for that. A few months later, his aunt died and again, he was the one @ the pulpit doing the service. Just memories of the person as related usually by the family, but also by friends. Funny little stories about things that happened.

Again, except to the funeral director, no money is asked for or required. The church ladies (heck, even the ladies that don't belong to the church) bring food to the fellowship hall or school, and the whole community joins the family in the meal. That is how all the churches in the area do it. Heck, usually there is so much expected and unexpected expenses for the family, they don't need to worry about paying the church or community for things related to the funeral.

[beemer]

Since we are on the topic i just gotta share this. I have a client who has no family-at least any who will have anything to do with him. He is frightening and i cant say i blame them. Anyhoo God is important to him. He tries to engage convo with anyone bout God. We had to limit him as it would send his anxiety thru the roof. Now he has a day at a certain time he can discuss. Last talk i had with him he went thru the usual statements. Then he said and when ya get to heaven there is no pooping and peeing. I had to keep a straight face and asked him why that was. He said cause when ya get to heaven ya dont have to eat. It was a special moment :shrug: Too cute.

[SaraSidle]

LOL!LOL!! I'm sorry Beem, I just had a laughing fit.. wiping tears.. I'm so glad you did not post this around midnight because it would have woke me up for the duration! ROTFL!!


I started my children off in a Catholic school. I was young and wasn't sure if I'd do them harm by relieving myself on the church. What they experienced tore me the rest of the way out. I took them out of there and taught them about God, the real McCoy.

They were getting very confused and knew something was not right. Especially Danny, the day his teacher put a chair over his shoulders and made him stand in the hall all day without lunch because his hands were dirty. My other children had to walk past him and couldn't say a word. When they got home that day they were all in tears and asked if God liked what happened. Broke my heart. I was in that flying nun's office the next day and she probably hasn't forgotten what I had to say. The only good thing is, my children witnessed my rage at the sacrilegious behavior of that so called Catholic School and how I defended them and the lord. That was only one incident but it was the last one.

Some of those nuns were sick menopausal maniacs.

My grade school that was catholic was very similar. bizarre punishments.
After my oldest brother and I went through it my parents had the great idea of sending the youngest 3 to a public school. Pete and I were the guinea pigs in all things..

[SaraSidle]

Bolding mine.

That's what I have read thru out most all "diets" and even the "miracle" pills or exercise machines or teas or what have you (all except the one where you only eat grapefruit or onion stew or whatever.) When you read the directions and small print, the same things are listed on every single one: Eat sensibly, exercise routinely and drink 8 glasses of water a day. Every single one.

Even the ones that advertise "Lose weight while eating what you like" "You don't have to change your eating habits." "No extreme exercise routines." Etc, etc, etc. But, if you read @ the bottom of the tv screen, there is something about, results vary. Recently there was one where it said the results of the one in the ad was "unusual" or something like that. Kind of tips you off right there. So, it really isn't surprising when you read the small print about "best results occur with eat right, exercise, drink H2O." Save your money on the "miracle" things, it's the other that is what does the trick. IMO

You are so right Amy After reading that so many times on so many different products I got the message. My dh wanted to try some magic pills on tv and I told him if you eat well and exercise you will lose weight anyways without paying the big bucks and I showed him the fine print .:cuss::cuss:

[SaraSidle]

Since we are on the topic i just gotta share this. I have a client who has no family-at least any who will have anything to do with him. He is frightening and i cant say i blame them. Anyhoo God is important to him. He tries to engage convo with anyone bout God. We had to limit him as it would send his anxiety thru the roof. Now he has a day at a certain time he can discuss. Last talk i had with him he went thru the usual statements. Then he said and when ya get to heaven there is no pooping and peeing. I had to keep a straight face and asked him why that was. He said cause when ya get to heaven ya dont have to eat. It was a special moment :shrug: Too cute.

that is cute Bree. I hope you wrote it down. sara

[SaraSidle]

I have been to funerals here (the "big" city) in the bigger churches. They aren't quite the same as "back home." Where, especially if the preacher is new and doesn't know the deceased @ all, family members may get up and do the majority of the service. Blue jeans (the new, clean ones) and Sunday shirts and boots and hats are what the folks wear to some of the funerals for "good ol' boys."

A couple of years ago, an elderly man died. His was a graveside service, and his eldest son who is kind of a cowboy poet did the talk. I suppose the preacher read a few verses and that type of thing, but didn't really listen for that. A few months later, his aunt died and again, he was the one @ the pulpit doing the service. Just memories of the person as related usually by the family, but also by friends. Funny little stories about things that happened.

Again, except to the funeral director, no money is asked for or required. The church ladies (heck, even the ladies that don't belong to the church) bring food to the fellowship hall or school, and the whole community joins the family in the meal. That is how all the churches in the area do it. Heck, usually there is so much expected and unexpected expenses for the family, they don't need to worry about paying the church or community for things related to the funeral.

when I die I want to be cremated and put in a box and rent a hall for a lot of relatives and friends have a party (Irish Wake) and say funny things about me and laugh. lots of good remembrances to be discussed. then I get to be buried with my parents and brother........so there. sara

[Marian Paroo]

I want to be cremated and given a New Orleans Jazz funeral. I already asked one friend to arrange the music and another to take the ashes to Bronx Park and scatter them over the bit of the river that runs through the playground.

[shadydaisy]

My grade school that was catholic was very similar. bizarre punishments.
After my oldest brother and I went through it my parents had the great idea of sending the youngest 3 to a public school. Pete and I were the guinea pigs in all things..

I was so traumatized by Catholic school. DH's two older kids were in Catholic school when we met and all the way through high school. I had anxiety attacks every time I had to go to the school for anything. Those were the only anxiety attacks I've ever had. I'd walk in the building and felt like someone was sitting on my chest - I couldn't breath. It was horrible. I told DH we live in a great public school system and that's where we sent out two.

[beemer]

that is cute Bree. I hope you wrote it down. sara

It's seared into my brain Sara-I know some of your work stories are too-ya know what i mean ;) Ya he is too cute most of the time. he can really trip folks up tho with his many quirks. Everything comes in 2's to him. Pairs mean nothing. He will tell newbies and argue but i need 2 pair. Lordy

[beemer]

Dont forget House tonight Nawny and all you other House fans. Spoiler-House quits-for now.

[beemer]

I was so traumatized by Catholic school. DH's two older kids were in Catholic school when we met and all the way through high school. I had anxiety attacks every time I had to go to the school for anything. Those were the only anxiety attacks I've ever had. I'd walk in the building and felt like someone was sitting on my chest - I couldn't breath. It was horrible. I told DH we live in a great public school system and that's where we sent out two.

Sad you had to go through that shady. Today they would never get away with it. They should be ashamed :no:

[beemer]

Me too sara on the Irish wake-a hall,food,plenty of drinks and lots of rock and roll. Then i want my ashes at the grand canyon. Who would know if they took em there right ;)

[SaraSidle]

I was so traumatized by Catholic school. DH's two older kids were in Catholic school when we met and all the way through high school. I had anxiety attacks every time I had to go to the school for anything. Those were the only anxiety attacks I've ever had. I'd walk in the building and felt like someone was sitting on my chest - I couldn't breath. It was horrible. I told DH we live in a great public school system and that's where we sent out two.

You know Shady I do think things have gotten somewhat better now. I think they pay attention more to who they hire to teach.......nuns and all. If I told you about some of my teachers you would think I was making it up. But kids are not so scared to tell their parents when something not right is happening in school. I just feel defiant now in Catholic churches or schools.

[SaraSidle]

Me too sara on the Irish wake-a hall,food,plenty of drinks and lots of rock and roll. Then i want my ashes at the grand canyon. Who would know if they took em there right ;)

that is a good thing too. only those you want to know will know.

[shadydaisy]

You know Shady I do think things have gotten somewhat better now. I think they pay attention more to who they hire to teach.......nuns and all. If I told you about some of my teachers you would think I was making it up. But kids are not so scared to tell their parents when something not right is happening in school. I just feel defiant now in Catholic churches or schools.

They are different now. They had a lot of damage to recover from. Back in the day parents expected kids to get beaten in Catholic School. I can remember my mother paying $10 at the end of the school year to replace the pointer sticks (anyone else remember them) that the nun broke while hitting me and it was my fault I was bad. It was a crappy era.

[SaraSidle]

It's seared into my brain Sara-I know some of your work stories are too-ya know what i mean ;) Ya he is too cute most of the time. he can really trip folks up tho with his many quirks. Everything comes in 2's to him. Pairs mean nothing. He will tell newbies and argue but i need 2 pair. Lordy

yeah Beem sounds just like one of my favorites. Just like him. I miss him

[SaraSidle]

They are different now. They had a lot of damage to recover from. Back in the day parents expected kids to get beaten in Catholic School. I can remember my mother paying $10 at the end of the school year to replace the pointer sticks (anyone else remember them) that the nun broke while hitting me and it was my fault I was bad. It was a crappy era.

no they just used rulers on us. point sticks would have been much worse.

[Nawny]

I have been to funerals here (the "big" city) in the bigger churches. They aren't quite the same as "back home." Where, especially if the preacher is new and doesn't know the deceased @ all, family members may get up and do the majority of the service. Blue jeans (the new, clean ones) and Sunday shirts and boots and hats are what the folks wear to some of the funerals for "good ol' boys."

A couple of years ago, an elderly man died. His was a graveside service, and his eldest son who is kind of a cowboy poet did the talk. I suppose the preacher read a few verses and that type of thing, but didn't really listen for that. A few months later, his aunt died and again, he was the one @ the pulpit doing the service. Just memories of the person as related usually by the family, but also by friends. Funny little stories about things that happened.

Again, except to the funeral director, no money is asked for or required. The church ladies (heck, even the ladies that don't belong to the church) bring food to the fellowship hall or school, and the whole community joins the family in the meal. That is how all the churches in the area do it. Heck, usually there is so much expected and unexpected expenses for the family, they don't need to worry about paying the church or community for things related to the funeral.

That sounds lovely and perfect Amy. It's all about giving the life that ended some meaning. We will be remembered for what tracks we leave behind us.

There was only one Catholic priest, who's sermon I loved. He is informal and is able to speak to the majority. He gave Danny's homily and he gave it well. He simply told the truth. He knows my family. That's probably why. He gave me a print out of it. And I have often read it to sooth myself when I have "Danny days" as I call them.

Here it is.

A Funeral Homily for Daniel

I know that as we gather here this morning, words are inadequate to temper our grief. Therefore, I shall try to make my words brief.

As for Dan, I presume that no one here is unaware that he took his own life. I think we ought to say that out loud so that we can hear it publicly and not just whisper this open secret among ourselves, and so that we can try to deal with it. But I want to share with you that often this deed, in confused mind of a troubled person, is done out of love.

A misguided and wrong-headed love, but love nevertheless.

The thinking of a person who is deeply troubled frequently goes like this: I am a burden. I’m hurting people. I’m in the way. I’m making a mess of things. I’m unhappy and making others unhappy. I worry those nearest to me. It would be kinder for everyone if I took the burden off their shoulders, if I weren’t here, if I ceased to be.

That understandable but backwards logic often is at work in a person so troubled he or she doesn’t see or think clearly.

And that’s at least good to know. It’s at least good to know that, as painful as suicide is for us, at bottom there is the truth that it is often done out of love and concern for others. It’s not good thinking, but bad thinking that nonetheless has its roots in charity, not malice. And we ought to remember that about Daniel. His tender love, as he understood it, did him in.

As for Dan’s friends, and siblings, I believe that Dan’s death raises a question. It is this: What are you going to do about your brother’s death? It’s easy to cry in his memory. What are you going to do with your life in his memory when your tears have dried?

I want to share with you a story I heard from my grandfather, dead himself many years now and a great fan of opera. It might suggest an answer.

He told me the story of Puccini, the great Italian writer of such classic operas as Madame Butterfly and La Boheme. It seems when Puccini was fairly young he contracted cancer, and so he decided to spend his last days writing his final opera, Turandot, which is one of his most polished pieces. When his friends and disciples would say to him, “you are ailing, take it easy and rest,” he would always respond, “I’m going to do as much as I can on my great masterwork and it’s up to you, my friends, to finish it if I don’t.” Well, Puccini died before the opera was completed.

Now his friends had a choice. They could forever mourn their friend and return to life as usual – or they could build on his melody and complete what he started. They chose the latter. And so, in 1926, at the famous La Scala Opera House in Milan, Italy, Puccini’s opera was played for the first time, conducted by the famed conductor Arturo Toscanini. And when it came to the part in the opera where the master had stopped because he died, Toscanini stopped everything, turned around with eyes welling up with tears, and said to the large audience, “This is where the master ends.” And he wept. Then, after a few moments, he lifted his head, smiled broadly, and said, “And this is where his friends began.” And he finished the opera.

You see, the point—and the point of the question I ask you: What are you going to do about Danny’s death? What are you going to do about his unfinished masterpiece? Will it be, in a month or so, life as usual? Or can you all build on his humor, his ability, his fun, and his unrealized dreams?

I would suggest that if there is any fitting response to the shock of his death it is life, your life, a life that’s lived better, a life lived more selflessly, a life that makes a difference, a life that is honest and decent, and a life that makes beautiful music for Dan and for the Lord. Across the chasm of death you can make Dan live. The music doesn’t have to stop! Your love for him does not have to end. It doesn’t have to leave with Dan, YOU HAVE A CHOICE!


Finally, to Danny’s family, in this sad moment I leave you with an image of hope, of perspective. Picture yourselves standing on a dock beside one of those great old-time sailing vessels. It’s standing there, sails folded, waiting for the wind. Suddenly a breeze comes up. Just then the sails are let down and sure enough the wind comes, catches the sails full force, and carries the ship away from the dock where you are standing.


Inevitably, you or someone on that dock is bound to say, “Well there she goes,” And from our point of view, it indeed does go. Soon the mighty ship, laden with its crew and goods, is on the horizon where water and sky meet and it looks like a speck before it disappears. It’s still mighty and grand, still filled with life and goods, but it’s left us.

We’re standing on the dock quite alone. But, on the other side of the ocean, people are standing in anticipation, and as the speck on the horizon becomes larger and larger they begin to cry something different. They are crying with Joy, not abandonment, “Here she comes” And at the landing, there is welcome, joy, embracing, and celebration.

Right now, we are like those people on that dock. We’ve have seen Danny boy go. He has moved from the horizon of death, and we remark with great sadness and grief. “There he goes,” and know that life will be so empty and painful without him. But I would remind you that the change is in us. Dan is still as large as life and larger than life, for Jesus stands on the shore with all Dan’s deceased friends and relatives. And Jesus shouts with the crowd.... “There he comes” and as Danny stumbles forth from that ship, Jesus steps out to meet him. They instantly recognize one another and Dan walks straight into the arms of the one who makes all things new again. Jesus dries His eyes, turns to the crowd, and says one more time as he has done so many times before…

Welcome home, Daniel…welcome home.


:)

[beemer]

They are different now. They had a lot of damage to recover from. Back in the day parents expected kids to get beaten in Catholic School. I can remember my mother paying $10 at the end of the school year to replace the pointer sticks (anyone else remember them) that the nun broke while hitting me and it was my fault I was bad. It was a crappy era.
Good Lord thats terrible. Think how far that would fly these days. I went to public school and we had the razor strap. I can still hear how that sounded on the bare hands echoing in those halls. Everyone would sit quiet when you knew somebody out there was getting it. I remember one teacher punishing us all for what one student did. He lined us up one by one and lay each one of us across his lap at his desk and spanked us. Yep even us girls in our little dresses :cuss:

[SaraSidle]

Good Lord thats terrible. Think how far that would fly these days. I went to public school and we had the razor strap. I can still hear how that sounded on the bare hands echoing in those halls. Everyone would sit quiet when you knew somebody out there was getting it. I remember one teacher punishing us all for what one student did. He lined us up one by one and lay each one of us across his lap at his desk and spanked us. Yep even us girls in our little dresses :cuss:

that seems very wrong to me.

[beemer]

Nawny that was just so beautiful-thank you for sharing that. Truly i gotta go find a kleenex and have a "moment" :rose:

[beemer]

that seems very wrong to me.
For sure sara-he was another teacher who didn't last long. He had a terrible temper. If someone answered a question wrong he would make us all go out into the school yard and duck walk the whole perimeter which was about a 1/4 acre and filled with that small stone. Some kids would topple over from the burn in their calves and he would scream more. He was gone mid year and we were so relieved as he was a tyrrant.

[deacon]

True deacon. And this is common knowledge. Why don't they get it?

It does not fit their dogma. They could effectively lose money and support if the admitted it. Priests today are mostly about power trips. They are not servants as the Bible says they should be. They are in charge like Lucifer wants them to think they are.

[Nawny]

Glad ya had a chuckle Nawny-it is funny. When i first went i luved that it was so musical and upbeat and i luved the hymms that were sung. I did notice people off in small groups but really didn't pay attention. As i got more comfortable i moved closer to the front of the church and thats when i saw the goings on. Man i beatfeet i was afraid I'd never be heard from again :D

Haaaa!!!! What a funny visual Beem. I don't get the tongues either. ROTFL!!!!

[Nawny]

Since we are on the topic i just gotta share this. I have a client who has no family-at least any who will have anything to do with him. He is frightening and i cant say i blame them. Anyhoo God is important to him. He tries to engage convo with anyone bout God. We had to limit him as it would send his anxiety thru the roof. Now he has a day at a certain time he can discuss. Last talk i had with him he went thru the usual statements. Then he said and when ya get to heaven there is no pooping and peeing. I had to keep a straight face and asked him why that was. He said cause when ya get to heaven ya dont have to eat. It was a special moment :shrug: Too cute.

Awww darn it! And I was hoping for the final state of the arts loo!
Dammit!


;)

[deacon]

LOL!LOL!! I'm sorry Beem, I just had a laughing fit.. wiping tears.. I'm so glad you did not post this around midnight because it would have woke me up for the duration! ROTFL!!


I started my children off in a Catholic school. I was young and wasn't sure if I'd do them harm by relieving myself on the church. What they experienced tore me the rest of the way out. I took them out of there and taught them about God, the real McCoy.

They were getting very confused and knew something was not right. Especially Danny, the day his teacher put a chair over his shoulders and made him stand in the hall all day without lunch because his hands were dirty. My other children had to walk past him and couldn't say a word. When they got home that day they were all in tears and asked if God liked what happened. Broke my heart. I was in that flying nun's office the next day and she probably hasn't forgotten what I had to say. The only good thing is, my children witnessed my rage at the sacrilegious behavior of that so called Catholic School and how I defended them and the lord. That was only one incident but it was the last one.
Some of those nuns were sick menopausal maniacs.

That is one of the reasons I don't like the Catholic Church. It is all about making people feel guilty. All except for priests and nuns. Now, there are a few Nuns I have read about that I have the utmost respect for. However, a lot of them do not show they care for people.

Following God only works if you do so because you want to. If you follow God so that you will not go to hell, well that isn't the idea.

As for people who say they are religious leaders and hurt children, They must not have read when Jesus said that someone who causes a child to stumble(walk away from God), it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were thrown into the depths of the sea. You see, the priests and nuns who abuse children need to understand He was talking about them.

[deacon]

I didn't pay for Baptism of my kids. It was pretty much, they will be doing Baptisms on such and such date, and whomever is wanting to be Baptized lets the preacher know, and it's all part of the Sunday service.

I don't know about weddings--I remember the groom give the preacher "something"--back when my sisters got married 40 or so years ago, $10 or $15 probably. Don't have a clue if it's required, custom, or if there is a particular amount. In the dinky burg I grew up in, there was no cost for using the church or the fellowship hall, just had to make sure your name was on the calendar that you would be using that particular day.

The only cost I have heard about relating to funerals is for the funeral home itself. No cost for the preacher or musicians or anyone else. @ least, in the rural area where I grew up. I don't know if that holds true for here in "the city" or not.

There is no charge at our church. You just have to put up with my jokes and hear Mrs. deacon fuss at me to stop looking out of the window before church starts. My wife and I help people get ready for baptism. We have changing rooms for men and women. My wife makes sure the women are ready and I make sure the men are ready and the preacher has all of his stuff ready. Then we take the robes and towels home and wash them and bring them back. We have been doing this for almost 10 years. The people out front do not know how much fun they miss sitting out there.

We had one 10 years old girl that told us just before the service was to start she was afraid of water. OKAY, what do we do now? She got this funny look on her face and said, "This is what Jesus wants me to do and I am going to do it." That was cool.

[Nawny]

Good Lord thats terrible. Think how far that would fly these days. I went to public school and we had the razor strap. I can still hear how that sounded on the bare hands echoing in those halls. Everyone would sit quiet when you knew somebody out there was getting it. I remember one teacher punishing us all for what one student did. He lined us up one by one and lay each one of us across his lap at his desk and spanked us. Yep even us girls in our little dresses :cuss:

OMG! How ignorant they were then. "Suffer the children" :rose: Things are definitely different now. That teacher would be in jail today. But there is still no balance. Today kids are overly spoiled, hardly abused, unless a lack of sensible discipline is abuse and I think it might be.


The other day, one of the weebles lied when my DD asked her if she had the scotch tape upstairs. She is 5 years old. The following day, she huffed down the stairs and ratted on her little sister 4 years old. She had her hands on her hips and a seriously angry face. She said, Momma! sister taped my best dolly's legs together and I am very angry right now!

Her mother hardly turned around from the sink where she was washing dishes and said, Heh, that's what you get for taking my scotch tape upstairs in the first place. My little Capricorn weeble huffed back up the stairs and brought her mother the tape. They had a very long conversation about lying. No need for hitting kids. They're smarter than we know.

[Nawny]

Nawny that was just so beautiful-thank you for sharing that. Truly i gotta go find a kleenex and have a "moment" :rose:

No worries Bree.. it was a good thing that man did for us that day. We are still finishing his symphony. :) And 7 more little angels have come into my life since he went home. It's all good. :rose:

[Nawny]

That is one of the reasons I don't like the Catholic Church. It is all about making people feel guilty. All except for priests and nuns. Now, there are a few Nuns I have read about that I have the utmost respect for. However, a lot of them do not show they care for people.

Following God only works if you do so because you want to. If you follow God so that you will not go to hell, well that isn't the idea.

As for people who say they are religious leaders and hurt children, They must not have read when Jesus said that someone who causes a child to stumble(walk away from God), it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were thrown into the depths of the sea. You see, the priests and nuns who abuse children need to understand He was talking about them.

GO DEAC! :beer:

[beemer]

Awww darn it! And I was hoping for the final state of the arts loo!
Dammit!


;)

Yeah like the real "Throne" :D Dont forget House tonight Nawny-8 p.m. on Fox.

[deacon]

They call it a "donation" Amy. They require a "donation" for everything. Funerals are $200 to $500 hundred dollar donations and they provide the envelope.

It's a write off, they advise. When my SIL's dad passed, he had his eulogy prepared. The pastor told him on that day, there would be no time for him to say that eulogy on the alter. He wept. I didn't understand. I still don't. It just reinforced my attitude about the C church. (In these parts of the country)

My SIL was raised Irish Catholic. He was an alter boy. One of the priests that worked in the parish when he was an alter boy was recently arrested for crimes against children. He remembers him, but claims he wasn't touched. His family is made up of die hard Catholics but after the deal at the funeral for his father, he isn't playing anymore. He was approached by the school to enroll 3 of my weebs in catechism. he said, "No" THings are a changin! :(

Anyway they know God. Who is closer to God than a child? We talk about him a lot. They think the birds go where he is. I told them, yep, they do! :) They say :eek: Wow nawn!!!! Why can't we fly up there? Um,, ahh, er, because he needs you down here. Is there an elevator that goes up there? Um, nope, no elevators.

Why not nawn? :)

Children:rose:

We have a fee for the church cleaning for a wedding and some of the *excuse me, I don't put any of you in this class* nosey old ladies have a set of rules which includes having to use one of them as a wedding director for a fee. My son decided he would get married elsewhere when the time comes. I have voted for a beach wedding at sunset. We will see.

My funeral will be graveside only. My pastor tells us he needs to know what our favorite Bible verse is so he will know where to start. He says he can fill in the rest. Mine is the first three verses of the first chapter of John. It explains to me who Jesus is. The reason for graveside only is it decreases the number of times my family will have to face the "funeral" thing. I originaly wanted to be cremated and have my ashed dumped in the swamp where I use to love to fish. Well, that went out the window. My wife refuses to let that happen.

[beemer]

No worries Bree.. it was a good thing that man did for us that day. We are still finishing his symphony. :) And 7 more little angels have come into my life since he went home. It's all good. :rose:

It sure was and I am sure words you truly hang on to for the tough days. Thats the only thing we can do i guess to make sense of things and not let them take us down. Go on and do something or find something good from the bad. It is a process tho and I know you know that. It's good when we have suffered a terrible loss and we do get there. I guess thats my spritituality belief that everything happens for a reason. I am supposed to learn from this. Sometimes it takes a bit but if we look hard enough we find it and we hang on to it cuz its all we can do. You are an inspiration and an example of this Nawny :rose:

[Nawny]

My grade school that was catholic was very similar. bizarre punishments.
After my oldest brother and I went through it my parents had the great idea of sending the youngest 3 to a public school. Pete and I were the guinea pigs in all things..

Awww sara. That's sad. I guess parents then thought that was a good thing. Poppa was educated in all catholic schools, including one college. He was always in trouble for asking logical questions. he remembers the "brothers" and some of his memories aint pretty. His parents thought the C school was the best education. He begs to differ.

[deacon]

GO DEAC! :beer:

One of these days they are going to let me preach in my church. Once and only once.:eek:

[beemer]

One of these days they are going to let me preach in my church. Once and only once.:eek:

Let us all know so we can arrange to be there :)

[Nawny]

It sure was and I am sure words you truly hang on to for the tough days. Thats the only thing we can do i guess to make sense of things and not let them take us down. Go on and do something or find something good from the bad. It is a process tho and I know you know that. It's good when we have suffered a terrible loss and we do get there. I guess thats my spritituality belief that everything happens for a reason. I am supposed to learn from this. Sometimes it takes a bit but if we look hard enough we find it and we hang on to it cuz its all we can do. You are an inspiration and an example of this Nawny :rose:

You are also an inspiration. You give so much joy here and that is the healing stuff that is so important. I love to laugh, I always did. I have only one wish, and that is, I wish we could see them right now. I wish we didn't put up that wall. I know we don't die, I just know it. Check out the book called, Emmanuel by Pat Rodegast. It's clearly sensible and helped me a lot. I've bought, and given it away many times. It's a real answer to what happens to us when we die. Not religious, but better.

[beemer]

Thanks Nawny your a gem. I shall go to amazon and check that book out. I'm gonna get set up here in a few for House. Mr beemer away til Wednesday. He best get home soon as i ingested bout 1/2 lb. of bacon today-more than i've had in the last five years :eek: Chips and dip and now I'm onto his stash of drumsticks and I dont even really like drumsticks :shrug: Comfort food i guess with this terrible weather day.

[Gatordog]

Lie To Me has its season opener tonight after House.

[Nawny]

We have a fee for the church cleaning for a wedding and some of the *excuse me, I don't put any of you in this class* nosey old ladies have a set of rules which includes having to use one of them as a wedding director for a fee. My son decided he would get married elsewhere when the time comes. I have voted for a beach wedding at sunset. We will see.

My funeral will be graveside only. My pastor tells us he needs to know what our favorite Bible verse is so he will know where to start. He says he can fill in the rest. Mine is the first three verses of the first chapter of John. It explains to me who Jesus is. The reason for graveside only is it decreases the number of times my family will have to face the "funeral" thing. I originaly wanted to be cremated and have my ashed dumped in the swamp where I use to love to fish. Well, that went out the window. My wife refuses to let that happen.

LOL! The SWAMP?? :eek: That's awful! :confused: You go, Mrs. deacon!

We want to control from the grave eh? What my family does with the remains of my carriage is probably not up to me. Not to say I wouldn't want a gold statue in the park.. but that's a bit much to ask,;) so I'll settle for my ashes in the ocean for ritual sake. And I want them to dance and know I am safe and well, because I will be. It hurts to be human aye?

[beemer]

I laugh to laugh to Nawny-my sister and I are the worst when we get together. Especially if we have had any wine. We are always on the same plane and nobody else seems to "get us" other than our hubbies when we get together. Maybe cuz we tend to quote alot from movies. We dont care :beer: Sometimes it does get us into trouble-more so in the past. Especially at funerals and weddings. Off i go to watch the tube.

[Nawny]

Lie To Me has its season opener tonight after House.

YAY!! Thanks Gator! I'm in! I'm going to do the couch thing.. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy055.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[beemer]

Lie To Me has its season opener tonight after House.

Thanks gator I've been wanting to see that.

[deacon]

Let us all know so we can arrange to be there :)

If they do, I'll let you know. If anyone would want to hear that couldn't be there, I'll tell you where you can find it on the internet. I already have a title and most of it written. I do these type of things so that I can get the thoughts out of my head. (I am not crazy, well maybe a little) It is called "Are You Fighting the Right Fight?" People think that the "good fight of faith" has to do with telling others what they are doing wrong and it isn't. "The Good Fight of Faith" is an inward fight to rid yourself of what is wrong inside of you self. When we spew judgement toward others we are simply trying to show how good we are and put the other person down so we can be "better" than them. We do this with homosexuals, people of a different race or creed. We have all types of predudices which are not right. We tend to forget that God loves these people just as much as He loves us and that Jesus died for them just as he did for us.

In my class there are quite a few people who are divorced and have had lots of different problems in their life. We love all of them. We work to make sure that they know that God's love is for them just as it is for people who, on the outside, look like they have it all together. Some of the people most would think have it all together will speak out in class about the parts of their lives that are not all together. We had a really big shock about 3 years ago when one of the ladies in our class told us she was abused by her father. My wife's eyes lit up and she sort of got with her after Sunday School to help her work throught the parts that she could. We all cried with her and supported her, we didn't judge or try to ignore the problem.

[deacon]

[/B]

LOL! The SWAMP?? :eek: That's awful! :confused: You go, Mrs. deacon!

We want to control from the grave eh? What my family does with the remains of my carriage is probably not up to me. Not to say I wouldn't want a gold statue in the park.. but that's a bit much to ask,;) so I'll settle for my ashes in the ocean for ritual sake. And I want them to dance and know I am safe and well, because I will be. It hurts to be human aye?

That, to me, is the most beautiful place on earth. Simply full of God's creatures and all types of beautiful plants. Oh, add to that a few snakes and a few gators. Of course, when I am dead I will not be scared of either.:D

[BeastofBears]

Since we are on the topic i just gotta share this. I have a client who has no family-at least any who will have anything to do with him. He is frightening and i cant say i blame them. Anyhoo God is important to him. He tries to engage convo with anyone bout God. We had to limit him as it would send his anxiety thru the roof. Now he has a day at a certain time he can discuss. Last talk i had with him he went thru the usual statements. Then he said and when ya get to heaven there is no pooping and peeing. I had to keep a straight face and asked him why that was. He said cause when ya get to heaven ya dont have to eat. It was a special moment :shrug: Too cute.

Hmmm, must be rough on Enoch and Elijah. Since they were assumed into heaven while still corporeal, they must be the only guys up there with need of the facilities! (yes, I know, Jesus too, but he was perfected, and I will assume there was no more of that!)

[deacon]

Hmmm, must be rough on Enoch and Elijah. Since they were assumed into heaven while still corporeal, they must be the only guys up there with need of the facilities! (yes, I know, Jesus too, but he was perfected, and I will assume there was no more of that!)

Nope. They under went a change as they ascended. They don't need the potty either. However, there is writing about a "great feast". Now that is what I am talking about. Plenty of good stuff and no worries about the pot. Just think, all of the people who we think are "not so smart". If they are there they have undergone that change and as just as smart as all of us.

Oh, that was baddddd.

[BeastofBears]

That is one of the reasons I don't like the Catholic Church. It is all about making people feel guilty. All except for priests and nuns. Now, there are a few Nuns I have read about that I have the utmost respect for. However, a lot of them do not show they care for people.

Following God only works if you do so because you want to. If you follow God so that you will not go to hell, well that isn't the idea.

As for people who say they are religious leaders and hurt children, They must not have read when Jesus said that someone who causes a child to stumble(walk away from God), it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were thrown into the depths of the sea. You see, the priests and nuns who abuse children need to understand He was talking about them.

There are some of those people in my life: my hubby went to a parochial school where they physically abused the children (not paddling, beating). There is always a wall of suspicion when dealing with religious issues and concepts. The damage they create lasts forever.

[BeastofBears]

No worries Bree.. it was a good thing that man did for us that day. We are still finishing his symphony. :) And 7 more little angels have come into my life since he went home. It's all good. :rose:

That was really beautiful. no more words.

[BeastofBears]

One of these days they are going to let me preach in my church. Once and only once.:eek:

One word: podcast!

[BeastofBears]

Lie To Me has its season opener tonight after House.

coolsville! It's Monday!!!! no more Trekkie Night!!!!

[BeastofBears]

YAY!! Thanks Gator! I'm in! I'm going to do the couch thing.. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy055.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

For some reason I just thought of Misty Croslin. Go figure.

[BeastofBears]

Nope. They under went a change as they ascended. They don't need the potty either. However, there is writing about a "great feast". Now that is what I am talking about. Plenty of good stuff and no worries about the pot. Just think, all of the people who we think are "not so smart". If they are there they have undergone that change and as just as smart as all of us.

Oh, that was baddddd.

Well, it'll sure improve dinner conversation, lol!


eta: okay, I'm posting too much. Shutting up now! But I missed everyone today!

[deacon]

There are some of those people in my life: my hubby went to a parochial school where they physically abused the children (not paddling, beating). There is always a wall of suspicion when dealing with religious issues and concepts. The damage they create lasts forever.

And that wall was erected by man. (people) It all goes back to people trying to get their way at any cost. It is about controling the lives of others when we can't control our own. How can I tell someone else what is wrong with their life when there are things not right in mine? From the book of Matthew:

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

The bold is also something that this type of person forgets. Funny how these people can remember some verses but not others. Specially this one.

[deacon]

Well, it'll sure improve dinner conversation, lol!


eta: okay, I'm posting too much. Shutting up now! But I missed everyone today!

That is something that I love to talk to people who are racist and say they are Christian. "You know there will be people of that race in Heaven. I think God has a sense of humor and will seat you between two of them." That normally makes the stutter and then shut up.:flamemad:

Oh, and no, you are not posting too much. I may be but you are not.

[BeastofBears]

That is something that I love to talk to people who are racist and say they are Christian. "You know there will be people of that race in Heaven. I think God has a sense of humor and will seat you between two of them." That normally makes the stutter and then shut up.:flamemad:

Oh, and no, you are not posting too much. I may be but you are not.

And who knows what color perfection is? Maybe we'll all switch races :D

[deacon]

And who knows what color perfection is? Maybe we'll all switch races :D

Maybe it won't matter. That is what my mentor for the last 10 years, until his death, told me . He was a great teacher. He was of a different race than me and it did not matter. He was sort of like another father figure to me. very wise, loving man. We celebrated his death about 2,000 strong. He would not have wanted us to weep but to laugh and celebrate.

[BeastofBears]

Maybe it won't matter. That is what my mentor for the last 10 years, until his death, told me . He was a great teacher. He was of a different race than me and it did not matter. He was sort of like another father figure to me. very wise, loving man. We celebrated his death about 2,000 strong. He would not have wanted us to weep but to laugh and celebrate.

Speaking as an anthropologist, racial characteristics are nothing but a continuum. There's no such thing as race. Human=Human.

That's the way to go, with your loved ones celebrating.

[deacon]

Speaking as an anthropologist, racial characteristics are nothing but a continuum. There's no such thing as race. Human=Human.

That's the way to go, with your loved ones celebrating.

As Mr. Archie would say, "It is only skin.":beer:

[Nawny]

Thanks gator I've been wanting to see that.

House was a tease tonight. I wanted to see more of him. This is the second time I've watched it and I'm already in love with the guy. :-) Lie to Me was good tonight. It was interesting that he believed the girl was telling the truth and there were 4 of her. ;) Loved it!

[Nawny]

It's seared into my brain Sara-I know some of your work stories are too-ya know what i mean ;) Ya he is too cute most of the time. he can really trip folks up tho with his many quirks. Everything comes in 2's to him. Pairs mean nothing. He will tell newbies and argue but i need 2 pair. Lordy

Betcha he's a Gemini! :)

[Nawny]

I was so traumatized by Catholic school. DH's two older kids were in Catholic school when we met and all the way through high school. I had anxiety attacks every time I had to go to the school for anything. Those were the only anxiety attacks I've ever had. I'd walk in the building and felt like someone was sitting on my chest - I couldn't breath. It was horrible. I told DH we live in a great public school system and that's where we sent out two.

Those Son of a B*%@s I made sure I gave those SOB's anxiety attacks when I took my kids out of thier school. That is awful what they did to you. :cuss:

[Nawny]

If they do, I'll let you know. If anyone would want to hear that couldn't be there, I'll tell you where you can find it on the internet. I already have a title and most of it written. I do these type of things so that I can get the thoughts out of my head. (I am not crazy, well maybe a little) It is called "Are You Fighting the Right Fight?" People think that the "good fight of faith" has to do with telling others what they are doing wrong and it isn't. "The Good Fight of Faith" is an inward fight to rid yourself of what is wrong inside of you self. When we spew judgement toward others we are simply trying to show how good we are and put the other person down so we can be "better" than them. We do this with homosexuals, people of a different race or creed. We have all types of predudices which are not right. We tend to forget that God loves these people just as much as He loves us and that Jesus died for them just as he did for us.

In my class there are quite a few people who are divorced and have had lots of different problems in their life. We love all of them. We work to make sure that they know that God's love is for them just as it is for people who, on the outside, look like they have it all together. Some of the people most would think have it all together will speak out in class about the parts of their lives that are not all together. We had a really big shock about 3 years ago when one of the ladies in our class told us she was abused by her father. My wife's eyes lit up and she sort of got with her after Sunday School to help her work throught the parts that she could. We all cried with her and supported her, we didn't judge or try to ignore the problem.

:) All so true. I am in my 50's now and I know so much more about fighting that fight. I'd like to say I've won it, but there is always inner work to do. As opposed to the way I was thinking when I was in my 20's and 30's. It occurred to me that I had choices, so many of them were hard, but I had to make them and sometimes they were the wrong ones, but I survived. My arms are always open for those caught in the middle of a purge. That helps me more than it helps them. No one gets off the hurting bus unscathed and people helping people is the answer. Actually I think that's when God arrives.

[Nawny]

For some reason I just thought of Misty Croslin. Go figure.

Roaring Laffin!!! What will we do with you BoB!!?!? :rolleyes:

[beemer]

House was a tease tonight. I wanted to see more of him. This is the second time I've watched it and I'm already in love with the guy. :-) Lie to Me was good tonight. It was interesting that he believed the girl was telling the truth and there were 4 of her. ;) Loved it!

Yeah shades of the ole House with his quips. Luv the kitcken scenes with he and Wilson. I watched Lie to me too-enjoyed it. Glad i caught it.

[Nawny]

Yeah shades of the ole House with his quips. Luv the kitcken scenes with he and Wilson. I watched Lie to me too-enjoyed it. Glad i caught it.

Okay, Wilson is the guy you told us about last week? This is his best friend? What does he do for a living?

I didn' t like the guy who took his place at the hospital. His relationship with the female Dr made no sense to me. I didn't get why those scenes even mattered, except for the fact that she was getting her info from the net (and it was House who was diagnosing.) Then the new chief actually fires her. Heh, wasn't that a clue that giving free sex gets you nothing. lol!

It looks like House is going back.

[Nawny]

I forgot to tell you Beem. You got me watching Law and Order too. Last night was an L&O marathon and I watched 3 in a row. I love the heavy set guy with the curly hair..

[Wagsy]

Here, it's "lead follow or get out of the way"...it's actually dangerous to be a tentative driver with everyone else so aggressive. My mom, tentative. Scares the heck out of me when I follow her. She'll be doing 45 when everyone else is doing 65, try to lane change, chicken out and swerve back when someone comes up on her fast...eeep!!!

The thing that is really scary is we have a lot of people who drive under another country's rules, where red lights are more of a suggestion, you know? So lots of random red lights get run and you have no idea it's coming, right of way is not followed at all, pedestrians are fair game....

Reading up on these interesting posts. I should visit here more often! So, I take it you don't stop at STOP signs either. It's glance around at who got there first and, for heaven's sake, don't stop or you'll get cussed at, the finger, horns honked and nasty looks. I drive DH nuts because I'm more of a polite driver who will stop and let someone back out onto the street or let a car pull out in front of me that is trying to cross 4 lanes. I find it amusing to see a car whiz past me in the 3rd lane on the interstate and come up behind them on the exit ramp at the same stoplight. Let them waste their gas...

[Wagsy]

I didn't pay for Baptism of my kids. It was pretty much, they will be doing Baptisms on such and such date, and whomever is wanting to be Baptized lets the preacher know, and it's all part of the Sunday service.

I don't know about weddings--I remember the groom give the preacher "something"--back when my sisters got married 40 or so years ago, $10 or $15 probably. Don't have a clue if it's required, custom, or if there is a particular amount. In the dinky burg I grew up in, there was no cost for using the church or the fellowship hall, just had to make sure your name was on the calendar that you would be using that particular day.

The only cost I have heard about relating to funerals is for the funeral home itself. No cost for the preacher or musicians or anyone else. @ least, in the rural area where I grew up. I don't know if that holds true for here in "the city" or not.

Very interesting posts here. I've never heard of paying for a baptism. Our baptisms follow after the individual has repented and their lives change inwardly and outwardly by the grace of God. Restitution is made during repentance then God grants peace. Finally a baptism takes place. No money is exchanged for weddings either. There is a cost of $25 if you choose to use the fellowship hall if you are hosting a large group of people for an event. It is to help cover the costs of electricity and heating/cooling. And the only cost for funerals is for the funeral home. People donate money in any amount they want in a box set aside for dinners provided after the funeral. You are not required to give. Some have the extra money and others don't. No one knows who gives and who doesn't. At least, that's the way it is in our church.

[Wagsy]

yeah almost like street gang fights or domestic disputes in a bigger proportion. I personally feel the economy plays a major part. No Parent wants to lose control of taking care of their family and losing the house and not able to provide. It makes people suicidal and homicidal. Rage and depression. all very sad. We should almost start a thread for it. we Had the one many who killed like 4 relatives in one state and a friend in another. We had the kid kill his family in the trailer. WE had the whole Gee family in ILL.etc etc. I am losing track. Another bad sign.............sara

I've been reading what I can on the Gee family in IL. I check the Bloomington-Normal Pantagraph and the Peoria Journal Star daily in the obituaries to see if loved ones we know from growing up in that area have passed on. Anyway, are there any theories (or even a thread here on CL with this story) about what they think happened? All I know is they're looking for an unusual small truck painted primer gray (not the factory paint job) and it has two tailpipes sticking up out of the back of the bed of the truck. It's unusual to see a truck like that. Full-size trucks are more likely to have the tailpipes stick up but not the S-10 or Ranger size. Any idea why? Is the littlest girl still alive? TIA for anything anyone knows on this.

[Wagsy]

It's that way here too Bob if ya dont keep up on the major highways everybody is honkin at ya. I only hate it in the city when everyone is going way over the speed limit and there is an inch between ya. You know you have been to Toronto. Way too many vehicles and way too fast.

ITA!!! :eek:

[Wagsy]

Since we are on the topic i just gotta share this. I have a client who has no family-at least any who will have anything to do with him. He is frightening and i cant say i blame them. Anyhoo God is important to him. He tries to engage convo with anyone bout God. We had to limit him as it would send his anxiety thru the roof. Now he has a day at a certain time he can discuss. Last talk i had with him he went thru the usual statements. Then he said and when ya get to heaven there is no pooping and peeing. I had to keep a straight face and asked him why that was. He said cause when ya get to heaven ya dont have to eat. It was a special moment :shrug: Too cute.

Glad you passed that on. Adorable. Never know what goes on in some of those minds.

[Wagsy]

They are different now. They had a lot of damage to recover from. Back in the day parents expected kids to get beaten in Catholic School. I can remember my mother paying $10 at the end of the school year to replace the pointer sticks (anyone else remember them) that the nun broke while hitting me and it was my fault I was bad. It was a crappy era.

Shady & Sara - I don't know what it was like to grow up being sent to a Catholic school but just a few years ago, I took a nanny job for 3 boys who were enrolled in a C school. I had to pick them up after school every day and when I went in to get one (since he wasn't out in the lines), the nun said very loudly so the entire room could hear; "Now you can get out of your chair and I better never see you do that again!" She turns to ME and says, "He was very naughty today. He put his coat and backpack on the floor when he knows we are never to do that. Make sure you tell his parents." I was speechless and I did NOT tell his parents. The parents always praised the school for it's fine education plus discipline but I still feel to this day that they were trying to get others to raise their children by sending them to that school and then hiring a nanny. I quit after a year and they begged me to come back. They both worked and never got home til around 6 then when the kids wanted to hug and kiss them they brushed them off and said they were busy with the mail and phone calls. They made plans every night to meet friends at 7 for drinks and dinner and wanted my kids to come baby-sit. The kids went to bed at 8. We did it for a little while but all of us got fed up with the parents. I feel so sorry for those children.

[Wagsy]

That sounds lovely and perfect Amy. It's all about giving the life that ended some meaning. We will be remembered for what tracks we leave behind us.

There was only one Catholic priest, who's sermon I loved. He is informal and is able to speak to the majority. He gave Danny's homily and he gave it well. He simply told the truth. He knows my family. That's probably why. He gave me a print out of it. And I have often read it to sooth myself when I have "Danny days" as I call them.

Here it is.

A Funeral Homily for Daniel

I know that as we gather here this morning, words are inadequate to temper our grief. Therefore, I shall try to make my words brief.

As for Dan, I presume that no one here is unaware that he took his own life. I think we ought to say that out loud so that we can hear it publicly and not just whisper this open secret among ourselves, and so that we can try to deal with it. But I want to share with you that often this deed, in confused mind of a troubled person, is done out of love.

A misguided and wrong-headed love, but love nevertheless.

The thinking of a person who is deeply troubled frequently goes like this: I am a burden. I’m hurting people. I’m in the way. I’m making a mess of things. I’m unhappy and making others unhappy. I worry those nearest to me. It would be kinder for everyone if I took the burden off their shoulders, if I weren’t here, if I ceased to be.

That understandable but backwards logic often is at work in a person so troubled he or she doesn’t see or think clearly.

And that’s at least good to know. It’s at least good to know that, as painful as suicide is for us, at bottom there is the truth that it is often done out of love and concern for others. It’s not good thinking, but bad thinking that nonetheless has its roots in charity, not malice. And we ought to remember that about Daniel. His tender love, as he understood it, did him in.

As for Dan’s friends, and siblings, I believe that Dan’s death raises a question. It is this: What are you going to do about your brother’s death? It’s easy to cry in his memory. What are you going to do with your life in his memory when your tears have dried?

I want to share with you a story I heard from my grandfather, dead himself many years now and a great fan of opera. It might suggest an answer.

He told me the story of Puccini, the great Italian writer of such classic operas as Madame Butterfly and La Boheme. It seems when Puccini was fairly young he contracted cancer, and so he decided to spend his last days writing his final opera, Turandot, which is one of his most polished pieces. When his friends and disciples would say to him, “you are ailing, take it easy and rest,” he would always respond, “I’m going to do as much as I can on my great masterwork and it’s up to you, my friends, to finish it if I don’t.” Well, Puccini died before the opera was completed.

Now his friends had a choice. They could forever mourn their friend and return to life as usual – or they could build on his melody and complete what he started. They chose the latter. And so, in 1926, at the famous La Scala Opera House in Milan, Italy, Puccini’s opera was played for the first time, conducted by the famed conductor Arturo Toscanini. And when it came to the part in the opera where the master had stopped because he died, Toscanini stopped everything, turned around with eyes welling up with tears, and said to the large audience, “This is where the master ends.” And he wept. Then, after a few moments, he lifted his head, smiled broadly, and said, “And this is where his friends began.” And he finished the opera.

You see, the point—and the point of the question I ask you: What are you going to do about Danny’s death? What are you going to do about his unfinished masterpiece? Will it be, in a month or so, life as usual? Or can you all build on his humor, his ability, his fun, and his unrealized dreams?

I would suggest that if there is any fitting response to the shock of his death it is life, your life, a life that’s lived better, a life lived more selflessly, a life that makes a difference, a life that is honest and decent, and a life that makes beautiful music for Dan and for the Lord. Across the chasm of death you can make Dan live. The music doesn’t have to stop! Your love for him does not have to end. It doesn’t have to leave with Dan, YOU HAVE A CHOICE!


Finally, to Danny’s family, in this sad moment I leave you with an image of hope, of perspective. Picture yourselves standing on a dock beside one of those great old-time sailing vessels. It’s standing there, sails folded, waiting for the wind. Suddenly a breeze comes up. Just then the sails are let down and sure enough the wind comes, catches the sails full force, and carries the ship away from the dock where you are standing.


Inevitably, you or someone on that dock is bound to say, “Well there she goes,” And from our point of view, it indeed does go. Soon the mighty ship, laden with its crew and goods, is on the horizon where water and sky meet and it looks like a speck before it disappears. It’s still mighty and grand, still filled with life and goods, but it’s left us.

We’re standing on the dock quite alone. But, on the other side of the ocean, people are standing in anticipation, and as the speck on the horizon becomes larger and larger they begin to cry something different. They are crying with Joy, not abandonment, “Here she comes” And at the landing, there is welcome, joy, embracing, and celebration.

Right now, we are like those people on that dock. We’ve have seen Danny boy go. He has moved from the horizon of death, and we remark with great sadness and grief. “There he goes,” and know that life will be so empty and painful without him. But I would remind you that the change is in us. Dan is still as large as life and larger than life, for Jesus stands on the shore with all Dan’s deceased friends and relatives. And Jesus shouts with the crowd.... “There he comes” and as Danny stumbles forth from that ship, Jesus steps out to meet him. They instantly recognize one another and Dan walks straight into the arms of the one who makes all things new again. Jesus dries His eyes, turns to the crowd, and says one more time as he has done so many times before…

Welcome home, Daniel…welcome home.


:)


I'm crying. It's so beautiful that others understand both sides of suicide.
For Danny: :rose: For his family: :rose:

[Wagsy]

It does not fit their dogma. They could effectively lose money and support if the admitted it. Priests today are mostly about power trips. They are not servants as the Bible says they should be. They are in charge like Lucifer wants them to think they are.

I couldn't agree more!

[Wagsy]

That is one of the reasons I don't like the Catholic Church. It is all about making people feel guilty. All except for priests and nuns. Now, there are a few Nuns I have read about that I have the utmost respect for. However, a lot of them do not show they care for people.

Following God only works if you do so because you want to. If you follow God so that you will not go to hell, well that isn't the idea.

As for people who say they are religious leaders and hurt children, They must not have read when Jesus said that someone who causes a child to stumble(walk away from God), it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were thrown into the depths of the sea. You see, the priests and nuns who abuse children need to understand He was talking about them.

I, too, don't care for the Catholic church and it's ways. It seems to be a lot of rituals and pomp. Lifting one up above another when the Bible says the hand cannot say to the eye, I have no need of you...There may be some comfort from reciting phrases but where is the inner peace that passeth all understanding that comes from knowing there is nothing between you and God? To me, it seems that it is a 'regimented, scheduled way of life' that priests and nuns can follow - mens guidelines - not God's. ITA with your last paragraph too. Good thoughts.

[Wagsy]

It sure was and I am sure words you truly hang on to for the tough days. Thats the only thing we can do i guess to make sense of things and not let them take us down. Go on and do something or find something good from the bad. It is a process tho and I know you know that. It's good when we have suffered a terrible loss and we do get there. I guess thats my spritituality belief that everything happens for a reason. I am supposed to learn from this. Sometimes it takes a bit but if we look hard enough we find it and we hang on to it cuz its all we can do. You are an inspiration and an example of this Nawny :rose:

Excellent post Bree! I feel we are given our struggles in our lives to keep us humble and close to God. Who else can we lean on who never will fail us? I love reading these posts and seeing how each one has come out a better person for all they've gone through.

[Wagsy]

Let us all know so we can arrange to be there :)

Hear, hear! I want a tape of that one!

[Wagsy]

If they do, I'll let you know. If anyone would want to hear that couldn't be there, I'll tell you where you can find it on the internet. I already have a title and most of it written. I do these type of things so that I can get the thoughts out of my head. (I am not crazy, well maybe a little) It is called "Are You Fighting the Right Fight?" People think that the "good fight of faith" has to do with telling others what they are doing wrong and it isn't. "The Good Fight of Faith" is an inward fight to rid yourself of what is wrong inside of you self. When we spew judgement toward others we are simply trying to show how good we are and put the other person down so we can be "better" than them. We do this with homosexuals, people of a different race or creed. We have all types of predudices which are not right. We tend to forget that God loves these people just as much as He loves us and that Jesus died for them just as he did for us.

In my class there are quite a few people who are divorced and have had lots of different problems in their life. We love all of them. We work to make sure that they know that God's love is for them just as it is for people who, on the outside, look like they have it all together. Some of the people most would think have it all together will speak out in class about the parts of their lives that are not all together. We had a really big shock about 3 years ago when one of the ladies in our class told us she was abused by her father. My wife's eyes lit up and she sort of got with her after Sunday School to help her work throught the parts that she could. We all cried with her and supported her, we didn't judge or try to ignore the problem.

Amen. So be it. I would love to view it on the internet. You are spot on in what you write.

[Wagsy]

There are some of those people in my life: my hubby went to a parochial school where they physically abused the children (not paddling, beating). There is always a wall of suspicion when dealing with religious issues and concepts. The damage they create lasts forever.

It's just as bad, if not worse, when it's a parent who claims to be a Christian. The damage does last the rest of your life.

[Wagsy]

And that wall was erected by man. (people) It all goes back to people trying to get their way at any cost. It is about controling the lives of others when we can't control our own. How can I tell someone else what is wrong with their life when there are things not right in mine? From the book of Matthew:

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

The bold is also something that this type of person forgets. Funny how these people can remember some verses but not others. Specially this one.

Is that called 'selective memory'? :D

[Wagsy]

That is something that I love to talk to people who are racist and say they are Christian. "You know there will be people of that race in Heaven. I think God has a sense of humor and will seat you between two of them." That normally makes the stutter and then shut up.:flamemad:

Oh, and no, you are not posting too much. I may be but you are not.

If yous think you're posting too much - then it's waaayyyy past time I stop! I gotta catch some shut eye anyway. I just got all fired up when I read these posts and wanted to add my 2 cents. Nite, err, morning to all! :seeya:

[deacon]

Amen. So be it. I would love to view it on the internet. You are spot on in what you write.

Well, they are not all my own. For years I was the judgemental type. That is one of the inward battles I fight. He has helped me and that has changed. I have stopped trying to be "one up" on others.

[Wagsy]

:) All so true. I am in my 50's now and I know so much more about fighting that fight. I'd like to say I've won it, but there is always inner work to do. As opposed to the way I was thinking when I was in my 20's and 30's. It occurred to me that I had choices, so many of them were hard, but I had to make them and sometimes they were the wrong ones, but I survived. My arms are always open for those caught in the middle of a purge. That helps me more than it helps them. No one gets off the hurting bus unscathed and people helping people is the answer. Actually I think that's when God arrives.

I know I won't be done fighting that fight until my last breath. There's always going to be work for me to do. Won't ever have a vacation week, day or minute! I've got lots to do. ;)

[Wagsy]

Well, they are not all my own. For years I was the judgemental type. That is one of the inward battles I fight. He has helped me and that has changed. I have stopped trying to be "one up" on others.

Aye and who of us was ever immune from that? We all want to feel we are better than our neighbor - and I know you understand what I mean by 'neighbor'.

I've posted about a whole page on here. Time to shut up and hit the hay.

[Amy]

Good Lord thats terrible. Think how far that would fly these days. I went to public school and we had the razor strap. I can still hear how that sounded on the bare hands echoing in those halls. Everyone would sit quiet when you knew somebody out there was getting it. I remember one teacher punishing us all for what one student did. He lined us up one by one and lay each one of us across his lap at his desk and spanked us. Yep even us girls in our little dresses :cuss:

My first/second/third grade teacher used a ping pong paddle. Can't ever remember what the next teacher (4th5th) used. When I was in the "big room" there was a paddle, maybe 18 or so inches long, a couple of inches thick. I remember there were some kids who were "regulars" @ the paddles, others not so much. For the upper grades, there was always an adult witness, I guess to see that things didn't get out of hand.

[Amy]

That is one of the reasons I don't like the Catholic Church. It is all about making people feel guilty. All except for priests and nuns. Now, there are a few Nuns I have read about that I have the utmost respect for. However, a lot of them do not show they care for people.

Following God only works if you do so because you want to. If you follow God so that you will not go to hell, well that isn't the idea.

As for people who say they are religious leaders and hurt children, They must not have read when Jesus said that someone who causes a child to stumble(walk away from God), it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were thrown into the depths of the sea. You see, the priests and nuns who abuse children need to understand He was talking about them.

When I was growing up, we only heard about priests and nuns, there wasn't a Catholic church in the town I lived in, nor the one where we went to high school. Even when I went to college, I only knew one Catholic girl. I guess we (or @ least I) tho't priests and nuns must be the holier than all other people.

When I went to work (in a Catholic hospital) there were several nuns I worked with. There were 2 nurses, both w/ailing husbands. One nun was very compassionate toward one nurse, and downright uncaring and unfeeling about the other. I was floored. That was the first time I realized they were just people w/flaws like the rest of us. With mean tho'ts and all.

[Amy]

We have a fee for the church cleaning for a wedding and some of the *excuse me, I don't put any of you in this class* nosey old ladies have a set of rules which includes having to use one of them as a wedding director for a fee. My son decided he would get married elsewhere when the time comes. I have voted for a beach wedding at sunset. We will see.

My funeral will be graveside only. My pastor tells us he needs to know what our favorite Bible verse is so he will know where to start. He says he can fill in the rest. Mine is the first three verses of the first chapter of John. It explains to me who Jesus is. The reason for graveside only is it decreases the number of times my family will have to face the "funeral" thing. I originaly wanted to be cremated and have my ashed dumped in the swamp where I use to love to fish. Well, that went out the window. My wife refuses to let that happen.

Daddy and Mom have set up for cremation. Daddy says, no service. Mom says, there will @ least be a graveside service, people will want to pay their respects. Daddy says, no military "honors." Mom says, there will be. You served your country, you will get the honors. Daddy says "Whatever the boss says!!!"

[Amy]

I laugh to laugh to Nawny-my sister and I are the worst when we get together. Especially if we have had any wine. We are always on the same plane and nobody else seems to "get us" other than our hubbies when we get together. Maybe cuz we tend to quote alot from movies. We dont care :beer: Sometimes it does get us into trouble-more so in the past. Especially at funerals and weddings. Off i go to watch the tube.

I have a sister like that!!! Our "humor" is understood by few--one being her oldest son whose humor way out does ours!!! But we have a good time, a good laugh (well a lot of good laughs) and all is well for us. Others are left shaking their heads and wondering about us, tho.

[Amy]

That is something that I love to talk to people who are racist and say they are Christian. "You know there will be people of that race in Heaven. I think God has a sense of humor and will seat you between two of them." That normally makes the stutter and then shut up.:flamemad:

Oh, and no, you are not posting too much. I may be but you are not.

Nobody has posted too much--I have enjoyed all the posts. Nawny's lovely tribute to her Danny. And all of your insights of religious type things. Educational and tho't provoking for sure.

[beemer]

Okay, Wilson is the guy you told us about last week? This is his best friend? What does he do for a living?

I didn' t like the guy who took his place at the hospital. His relationship with the female Dr made no sense to me. I didn't get why those scenes even mattered, except for the fact that she was getting her info from the net (and it was House who was diagnosing.) Then the new chief actually fires her. Heh, wasn't that a clue that giving free sex gets you nothing. lol!

It looks like House is going back.

Wilson is House's best friend-only friend basically. Wilson heads the Oncology Dept. at same hospital. Wilson has been divorced several times. I think the parallel drawn with Foreman was all the reasons he left House's team for he became himself when he stepped into House's shoes. He and 13 started dating when both on the team. 13 has Huntington's disease and is bi-sexual. I think he and Cuddy (House) have a bit of a thing for each other. It has been suggested thru the season and they did share a kiss. You know TV land tho who knows if they will ever hook up. Glad u enjoyed L&O too :beer:

[beemer]

So many great posts above :rose:

[lighthousedazy]

We have a fee for the church cleaning for a wedding and some of the *excuse me, I don't put any of you in this class* nosey old ladies have a set of rules which includes having to use one of them as a wedding director for a fee. My son decided he would get married elsewhere when the time comes. I have voted for a beach wedding at sunset. We will see.

My funeral will be graveside only. My pastor tells us he needs to know what our favorite Bible verse is so he will know where to start. He says he can fill in the rest. Mine is the first three verses of the first chapter of John. It explains to me who Jesus is. The reason for graveside only is it decreases the number of times my family will have to face the "funeral" thing. I originaly wanted to be cremated and have my ashed dumped in the swamp where I use to love to fish. Well, that went out the window. My wife refuses to let that happen.
For the beach wedding at sunset, check out "St. Simons Elopements" on Facebook. My friend Carla is a wedding planner and owner of the business (Georgia) and is very reasonable. I hope this is not considered spam. lol :)

[BeastofBears]

Reading up on these interesting posts. I should visit here more often! So, I take it you don't stop at STOP signs either. It's glance around at who got there first and, for heaven's sake, don't stop or you'll get cussed at, the finger, horns honked and nasty looks. I drive DH nuts because I'm more of a polite driver who will stop and let someone back out onto the street or let a car pull out in front of me that is trying to cross 4 lanes. I find it amusing to see a car whiz past me in the 3rd lane on the interstate and come up behind them on the exit ramp at the same stoplight. Let them waste their gas...

Yeppers! Those are actually called "California stops" or "the California roll", so it must be official.

I'm good about letting people lane change as long as they have their blinker on. You wouldn't believe how shocked people are when I let them in, grovelling waves of gratitude out the window. I hope they pay it forward. I'm no saint, though-no blinker, and IT'S ON!!!!:chicken:

[Nawny]

Yeppers! Those are actually called "California stops" or "the California roll", so it must be official.

I'm good about letting people lane change as long as they have their blinker on. You wouldn't believe how shocked people are when I let them in, grovelling waves of gratitude out the window. I hope they pay it forward. I'm no saint, though-no blinker, and IT'S ON!!!!:chicken:

You little trollop! ;)