Anything else you want to discuss goes here

[beemer]

This is a good example of why you need diversity (but I hate that word!) in LE. Men and women see different things, and people from different subcultures are more likely to spot when something is wrong when dealing with people from those subcultures... The campus cop said it was her "mom instinct" that told her there was a problem.

ps, one cop is from the city of Brentwood, and they are giving her a "hero" award today...

Great news:beer: I cant say enough about them :rose: You are right tho Bob re: diversity (for lack of a better word) I hope they get lots of press.

[SaraSidle]

Great news:beer: I cant say enough about them :rose: You are right tho Bob re: diversity (for lack of a better word) I hope they get lots of press.

and a promotion for sure.
Makes me wonder how many other missing children are alive. IMO

[beemer]

I will do my best Beem. I know you need the time off........sara

Thanks sara-Oh yes u must call her by her full first name if you shorten it she will be hopping:D:shrug:

[Nawny]

Thinking of you today Nawny. I hope u are doing something fun :rose:

Thank you Bree. I'm good. I cooked all morning and sat outside for a while with a book. Coincidental it's called "Without Conscience" Amazing reports on psychopaths. Sounds an awful lot like Liar. Hmmm, socio/psychopath. Big similarities. Interesting.Here's the list of symptoms:

Glib
Superficial
Egocentric
Grandiose
Lack remorse and guilt
Lack of Empathy
Deceitful
Manipulative
Shallow Emotions

The profile is so much like her!!!

According to writers, McCord and McCord who wrote the Essay on the Criminal Mind:

The total pattern of the psychopath personality differenciates him from normal criminal. His aggression is more intense, his impulsivity is more pronounced, his emotional reactions, more shallow. His guiltlessness, however, is the crucial distinguishing trait.

The normal criminal has an internalized albiet warped, set of values. If he violates these standards, he feels guilt!

I finally GET IT! Good book for me because I couldn't understand the socio in the liar... this book makes it all so clear to me. I'm a thickhead. :hat:

It's a beautiful day here. :)

[Nawny]

Thanks sara-Oh yes u must call her by her full first name if you shorten it she will be hopping:D:shrug:

Why do people get mad when you nick name them? I know someone like that. her name was Rosann. I jokingly called her Rosie on day she she went off like a maniac. Really bad! You can call me anything. (Even putana!) :punch:

[beemer]

Yep you nailed it Nawny. Glad u are having a good day. Beautiful day here too and i will be hitting the links here shortly with my golf league gals.

[beemer]

I just talked to my son and he is just going back on the course with "HIS" player :D His name is Rob Oppenheim. Link below so i guess i will follow the leaderboard there this weekend. Golf channel not airing it till NOV 2 @ 5:30p.m. and repeating it NOV 4 @ 8 a.m. and 2:20 p.m. :(

http://www.cantour.com/leagues/cantour_events.cfm?clientid=3776&leagueid=11764

[Nawny]

The stepfather said the missus is the one who pulled Jaycee into the car. One more nail.

OMG!!!! And she was crying in court in one of the videos. Damn her!
And the main question in my mind is, why didn't Jaycee call the police. The poor child went thru puberty in that mans captivity and her life was literally taken. Not like Liar said hers was taken, Jaycee's was REALLY taken. Her poor mind! Good grief.. that is sad. :(

Is there a thread on this case? I didn't see one. :( That's okay we got Anything here.

[Amy]

Why do people get mad when you nick name them? I know someone like that. her name was Rosann. I jokingly called her Rosie on day she she went off like a maniac. Really bad! You can call me anything. (Even putana!) :punch:

There are people like that. Even some parents get ticked for calling their kids by a shortened name. DS's name is 7 letters. He sure hated spending all that time writing his name, so he signed his papers with the 3 letter shortened version. His preschool teacher was concerned, told me that he wasn't signing his "name." I told her, he can be called by whatever name he wants. If he wants to use 3 letters instead of 7, I have no problem with that. What was the big deal, anyway? It wasn't like he was signing "Superman" or "Darth Vader" or something outlandish, for Pete's sake!!!

I have been called by the names of various and sundry people I have worked with. It has never bothered me--I knew who they were talking to, lol!!! The name I go by IS a nickname. Some of my co-workers call me Amy Lou, where Amy Jane would be more in line w/my name. But it's all in fun, and no one where I work now seems to take offense when a co-worker comes up with a nickname. I think there are more gripping issues in the world to deal with than what someone calls me, lol!!!!

[Nawny]

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No matter what our kids and the new generation think about us. We are AWESOME !!!!
OUR LIFE IS LIVING PROOF !!!!






To Those of Us Born between

1930 - 1979






At the end of this email is a quote of the month by
Jay Leno. If you don't read anything else, please


Read what he said.


Very well stated, Mr. Leno.



I love this one. It's been around the internet for a while and I got it again today, thought I'd share it!:seeya:


TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE
1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!!
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
While they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered
With bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps not helmets on our heads.

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, no booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes.

Riding in the back of a pick- up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't overweight. WHY?
Because we were always outside playing...that's why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on..

No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were OKAY.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
And then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes.
After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem

We did not have Play stations, Nintendo's and X-boxes. There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
No surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers,
No Internet and no chat rooms.

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We would get spankings with wooden spoons, switches, ping pong paddles, or just a bare hand and no one would call child services to report abuse.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, andthe worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team.
Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best
Risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever.


The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas..


We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of them, CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regula ted so much of our lives for our own good.

While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave and lucky their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it ?


~
The quote of the month is by, Jay Leno:


'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'

[shadydaisy]

Why do people get mad when you nick name them? I know someone like that. her name was Rosann. I jokingly called her Rosie on day she she went off like a maniac. Really bad! You can call me anything. (Even putana!) :punch:

I know a lot of people like that. No one called me by my real name until I graduated from college and went to work and said this is my name. I didn't care. My name is the shortened version of a longer name. People will call me the longer version and I respond. My boss laughs when they do it.

My DD has a quirk - if you know her you can use her shortened name, if not call her by her full name. My son only uses the shortened version of his name.

I just talked to my son and he is just going back on the course with "HIS" player :D His name is Rob Oppenheim. Link below so i guess i will follow the leaderboard there this weekend. Golf channel not airing it till NOV 2 @ 5:30p.m. and repeating it NOV 4 @ 8 a.m. and 2:20 p.m. :(

http://www.cantour.com/leagues/cantour_events.cfm?clientid=3776&leagueid=11764

I'm excited about it! 11/2 will be set to record.

Sara - 2 decks for 2 people/4 decks for doubles, right? I need to buy cards. My mom will play with us - she curses in French, is that ok?

[SaraSidle]

I know a lot of people like that. No one called me by my real name until I graduated from college and went to work and said this is my name. I didn't care. My name is the shortened version of a longer name. People will call me the longer version and I respond. My boss laughs when they do it.

My DD has a quirk - if you know her you can use her shortened name, if not call her by her full name. My son only uses the shortened version of his name.



I'm excited about it! 11/2 will be set to record.

Sara - 2 decks for 2 people/4 decks for doubles, right? I need to buy cards. My mom will play with us - she curses in French, is that ok?


that is exactly right. do not forget the red 3's. actually french was the language I took in hs cause I liked the sounds of it. I bet cursing sounds just as good and I could learn some. sara :beer:

[Amy]

I know a lot of people like that. No one called me by my real name until I graduated from college and went to work and said this is my name. I didn't care. My name is the shortened version of a longer name. People will call me the longer version and I respond. My boss laughs when they do it.

My DD has a quirk - if you know her you can use her shortened name, if not call her by her full name. My son only uses the shortened version of his name.



I'm excited about it! 11/2 will be set to record.

Sara - 2 decks for 2 people/4 decks for doubles, right? I need to buy cards. My mom will play with us - she curses in French, is that ok?

I use what people call me for screening calls. Those who are telemarketers and such, use my given name, and usually butcher it to boot. I love it--a pause, then a mumble. Nope, you don't know me, you want to sell me something I don't need!!!! Those calls, I don't answer. Anyone who knows me, and it's a social type call will use my nickname.

Both of my kids answer to the full version of their names, and the shortened versions. They also answer to about any nickname they have been given over the years. Well, Bubs (one of DS's nics) doesn't answer to Pancake anymore, lol!!!! Actually don't think he ever answered to that. That what Sis (one of DD's nics) called him when she was too young to pronounce his name. It only stuck for a couple of years, and the only ones who called him that was DD and some cousins.

We moved when he was about 4, and his new friends called him by his given name. We had a birthday party and invited the kid who used to live next door to us in town. No one could figure out who he was talking to when he called DS "Bubsy" which was HIS version of Bubs. I can just imagine my now 19 y/o son still being called Pancake. That is one nickname he probably wouldn't have put up with past pre-school, lol!!!!

[SaraSidle]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No matter what our kids and the new generation think about us. We are AWESOME !!!!
OUR LIFE IS LIVING PROOF !!!!






To Those of Us Born between

1930 - 1979






At the end of this email is a quote of the month by
Jay Leno. If you don't read anything else, please


Read what he said.


Very well stated, Mr. Leno.



I love this one. It's been around the internet for a while and I got it again today, thought I'd share it!:seeya:


TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE
1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!!
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
While they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered
With bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps not helmets on our heads.

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, no booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes.

Riding in the back of a pick- up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't overweight. WHY?
Because we were always outside playing...that's why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on..

No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were OKAY.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
And then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes.
After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem

We did not have Play stations, Nintendo's and X-boxes. There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
No surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers,
No Internet and no chat rooms.

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We would get spankings with wooden spoons, switches, ping pong paddles, or just a bare hand and no one would call child services to report abuse.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, andthe worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team.
Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best
Risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever.


The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas..


We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of them, CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regula ted so much of our lives for our own good.

While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave and lucky their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it ?


~
The quote of the month is by, Jay Leno:


'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'

this is so spot on. I sure miss those days a lot. sara

[Nawny]

I use what people call me for screening calls. Those who are telemarketers and such, use my given name, and usually butcher it to boot. I love it--a pause, then a mumble. Nope, you don't know me, you want to sell me something I don't need!!!! Those calls, I don't answer. Anyone who knows me, and it's a social type call will use my nickname.

Both of my kids answer to the full version of their names, and the shortened versions. They also answer to about any nickname they have been given over the years. Well, Bubs (one of DS's nics) doesn't answer to Pancake anymore, lol!!!! Actually don't think he ever answered to that. That what Sis (one of DD's nics) called him when she was too young to pronounce his name. It only stuck for a couple of years, and the only ones who called him that was DD and some cousins.

We moved when he was about 4, and his new friends called him by his given name. We had a birthday party and invited the kid who used to live next door to us in town. No one could figure out who he was talking to when he called DS "Bubsy" which was HIS version of Bubs. I can just imagine my now 19 y/o son still being called Pancake. That is one nickname he probably wouldn't have put up with past pre-school, lol!!!!

That's adorable Amy! I nick name everybody. I come up with some good ones too! It's something I've always done. I don't think anyone I love gets called by their real name in my world. One of the weebles is Pickaneeky.. because she was fussy since the day she was born. Another is Abba Bella. LOL! I could go on and on. It's always out of affection, I do that.

[deacon]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Pfizer-to-pay-record-23B-apf-1176280604.html?x=0

And they wonder about health care costs? This is the type of garbage that runs that bill up.

[deacon]

I know a lot of people like that. No one called me by my real name until I graduated from college and went to work and said this is my name. I didn't care. My name is the shortened version of a longer name. People will call me the longer version and I respond. My boss laughs when they do it.

My DD has a quirk - if you know her you can use her shortened name, if not call her by her full name. My son only uses the shortened version of his name.



I'm excited about it! 11/2 will be set to record.

Sara - 2 decks for 2 people/4 decks for doubles, right? I need to buy cards. My mom will play with us - she curses in French, is that ok?

I don't really get mad when someone shortens my name but I prefer the other version. I don't like to be called Dave. Nope, ain't my name.:no:

[deacon]

That's adorable Amy! I nick name everybody. I come up with some good ones too! It's something I've always done. I don't think anyone I love gets called by their real name in my world. One of the weebles is Pickaneeky.. because she was fussy since the day she was born. Another is Abba Bella. LOL! I could go on and on. It's always out of affection, I do that.

Some of the ones I get on the work site I can not say. Even in Spanish. I think I have been cussed out in three at least now.

[shadydaisy]

I don't really get mad when someone shortens my name but I prefer the other version. I don't like to be called Dave. Nope, ain't my name.:no:

I know when I teach my dance class I shorten people's names. I am not trying to be disrespectful, I just can't make individual corrections easily when I have to say Elizabeth, do this - Katherine - more snap. I currently have 4 Sue's on Monday night. They are numbered according to when they started with me I -IV. They know who they are. I cannot differentiate between Susan, Suzanne, Sue B. and Sue D. They joke about it and introduce themselves as I, II, III, and IV.

One person complained to me that she was to be called Elizabeth, nothing less. Other ladies pulled her aside and asked her how long she was on the waiting list to get in the class. She said 3 months. They replied if you want her to teach you/correct you, you better let her call you whatever she wants.

Funny story - a foreign born student started class. Comes from a background where woman do not dance (you get the idea). I welcomed her to class and asked her what her name was. It was long and difficult, but it had something in the middle that sounded a lot like Molly. I asked her if Molly would do, and she agreed. She became a regular in class and even started coming to the various social functions that people from class would invite her to. After about a year she brought a friend with her, same background. The friend asked me to give her a name that everyone could remember and pronounce. Apparently Molly felt more like a member of the group because no one stumbled over her name.

Anyway, I promise not to call you Dave.

[deacon]

I know when I teach my dance class I shorten people's names. I am not trying to be disrespectful, I just can't make individual corrections easily when I have to say Elizabeth, do this - Katherine - more snap. I currently have 4 Sue's on Monday night. They are numbered according to when they started with me I -IV. They know who they are. I cannot differentiate between Susan, Suzanne, Sue B. and Sue D. They joke about it and introduce themselves as I, II, III, and IV.

One person complained to me that she was to be called Elizabeth, nothing less. Other ladies pulled her aside and asked her how long she was on the waiting list to get in the class. She said 3 months. They replied if you want her to teach you/correct you, you better let her call you whatever she wants.

Funny story - a foreign born student started class. Comes from a background where woman do not dance (you get the idea). I welcomed her to class and asked her what her name was. It was long and difficult, but it had something in the middle that sounded a lot like Molly. I asked her if Molly would do, and she agreed. She became a regular in class and even started coming to the various social functions that people from class would invite her to. After about a year she brought a friend with her, same background. The friend asked me to give her a name that everyone could remember and pronounce. Apparently Molly felt more like a member of the group because no one stumbled over her name.

Anyway, I promise not to call you Dave.

Thanks. You can call me deac though.:biggrin:

[Gatordog]

Did anyone catch the woman on LK night before last i believe? She was discussing the Garrido case. I hope i have the nutbars name right. Anyways she went on to say that perhaps he is not as bad a guy as everyone thinks he is as we have no information on how he treated JC and the sired daughters during their captivity :eek: I had to change the channel. I still cant wrap my head around that :cuss:

WTF, he kidnapped a child, got her pregnant at 13. Kept her and the children in deplorable conditions and maybe even murdered other women. What, we should give him a medal because he didn't murder her or the babies? :flamemad:

[beemer]

Yep people who go ballistic over their shortened names-well i guess have too much time on their hands. I say take up world hunger or any worthy cause. I was warned when this new boss came to us to make sure we use her full name. Being the smart azz i am when using her name and she is not around i tend to enunciate every bloody syllable. I must stop that as one of these days i will slip in front of her :D My sis shortened my name years ago and i am happy with Bree :shrug:

[beemer]

WTF, he kidnapped a child, got her pregnant at 13. Kept her and the children in deplorable conditions and maybe even murdered other women. What, we should give him a medal because he didn't murder her or the babies? :flamemad:

No kidding maybe Mrs. Defense would like to have dropped into Club Med with her children just to see how he treated people. Hello lady he is a sex offender how do you think he treated them:cuss: I cant help but wonder if other children were sired and were perhaps male? I try not to let my mind go there :flamemad:

[deacon]

Tomorrow is the last day of my work week!!!!!!!! My son called his mom today. He said his boss told him he was going to get him, my FIL and I a tee time at The Dunes (the club he won the round at and gave it up) to make up for messing our tournament up last weekend. Being nice pays. Told you he had a good boss.:biggrin:

[deacon]

No kidding maybe Mrs. Defense would like to have dropped into Club Med with her children just to see how he treated people. Hello lady he is a sex offender how do you think he treated them:cuss: I cant help but wonder if other children were sired and were perhaps male? I try not to let my mind go there :flamemad:

I'll get a rope and the gun. Anyone know where we can find a strong oak tree? I have no use for the dregs of the septic tank like this one.:flamemad:

[beemer]

I'll get a rope and the gun. Anyone know where we can find a strong oak tree? I have no use for the dregs of the septic tank like this one.:flamemad:
I'm sure we can find one deacon. We will all alibi ya :beer:

[beemer]

Tomorrow is the last day of my work week!!!!!!!! My son called his mom today. He said his boss told him he was going to get him, my FIL and I a tee time at The Dunes (the club he won the round at and gave it up) to make up for messing our tournament up last weekend. Being nice pays. Told you he had a good boss.:biggrin:

Good stuff-hit em straight and have a great round with your FIL and son. Nothing better :beer:

[deacon]

I'm sure we can find one deacon. We will all alibi ya :beer:

It seems lawyers today will sell their soul and lie just to make a buck. Maybe we need two ropes and a gun. One tree will do though.

[deacon]

Good stuff-hit em straight and have a great round with your FIL and son. Nothing better :beer:

I will. Thanks. I just don't know if I will know how to act in that type of place. I'll be scared to hit a shot because I might mess up their grass or something. I'll get to play where all of the greats of the Senior PGA once played. That is almost like getting to play baseball in Yankee Stadium.

[BeastofBears]

Why do people get mad when you nick name them? I know someone like that. her name was Rosann. I jokingly called her Rosie on day she she went off like a maniac. Really bad! You can call me anything. (Even putana!) :punch:

My friend is named Babette. I had a boyfriend for a while who nicknamed her "bab*tch". He didn't last long after that. She nicknamed him "The Rodent"

I understand why they did not like their nics.

[BeastofBears]

OMG!!!! And she was crying in court in one of the videos. Damn her!
And the main question in my mind is, why didn't Jaycee call the police. The poor child went thru puberty in that mans captivity and her life was literally taken. Not like Liar said hers was taken, Jaycee's was REALLY taken. Her poor mind! Good grief.. that is sad. :(

Is there a thread on this case? I didn't see one. :( That's okay we got Anything here.

it's under missing children. lots of links and stuff...

[Nawny]

Hey BoB, have you seen this one on today's CNN?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/09/01/roldan.chupacabra.KSAT

[Nawny]

it's under missing children. lots of links and stuff...

Thank you BoB!

[BeastofBears]

I don't really get mad when someone shortens my name but I prefer the other version. I don't like to be called Dave. Nope, ain't my name.:no:

I never call my son Dave. Sometimes D-boo, but never Dave. It's not his name :)

[beemer]

I will. Thanks. I just don't know if I will know how to act in that type of place. I'll be scared to hit a shot because I might mess up their grass or something. I'll get to play where all of the greats of the Senior PGA once played. That is almost like getting to play baseball in Yankee Stadium.

Go,relax and have fun-ya could take a wide tooth comb with ya :biggrin: You will be walkin the walk of some greats :beer: Stay outta the bunkers tho.

[BeastofBears]

WTF, he kidnapped a child, got her pregnant at 13. Kept her and the children in deplorable conditions and maybe even murdered other women. What, we should give him a medal because he didn't murder her or the babies? :flamemad:

The bar is set low for some.

[beemer]

It seems lawyers today will sell their soul and lie just to make a buck. Maybe we need two ropes and a gun. One tree will do though.
Ya maybe they could swing together and she can really find out what he is like-Oh my me bad :punch:

[Nawny]

Yep people who go ballistic over their shortened names-well i guess have too much time on their hands. I say take up world hunger or any worthy cause. I was warned when this new boss came to us to make sure we use her full name. Being the smart azz i am when using her name and she is not around i tend to enunciate every bloody syllable. I must stop that as one of these days i will slip in front of her :D My sis shortened my name years ago and i am happy with Bree :shrug:

I love that name, Bree. :) I refer to you as Bree when I'm talking to poppa about something you said when I'm LMAO here at the keyboard.
I was supposed to be a Joseph so I get Joanna, and it's been changed so many times I answer to everything. Prima Donna was one of my mother's nick names for me..I was the youngest girl, and my sisters called me everything from, Miss America, to I hopeyouDIE! LOL!

[deacon]

I never call my son Dave. Sometimes D-boo, but never Dave. It's not his name :)

The only nicknames I have are the ones my nephew and neice gave me and still call me 30 years later. My nephew calls me Eke. ( was suppose to be unk for uncle) My neice calls me boogie. (I use to call her a little buggar when she was learning to talk.) Those two are still with me and still live with my grandneice and grandnephew. Those two can get away with it.;)

[BeastofBears]

I'll get a rope and the gun. Anyone know where we can find a strong oak tree? I have no use for the dregs of the septic tank like this one.:flamemad:

California is particularly known for its oaks.

[beemer]

I love that name, Bree. :) I refer to you as Bree when I'm talking to poppa about something you said when I'm LMAO here at the keyboard.
I was supposed to be a Joseph so I get Joanna, and it's been changed so many times I answer to everything. Prima Donna was one of my mother's nick names for me..I was the youngest girl, and my sisters called me everything from, Miss America, to I hopeyouDIE! LOL!

Thank You Nawny-i refer to you as Nawny-that would only confuse my DH if i used Joanna as that is my MIL's name :beer: Yep i am sure i have been called names i dont wanna know :D I know brat was popular for my brother and sister to use since i was the baby :confused:

[BeastofBears]

Hey BoB, have you seen this one on today's CNN?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/09/01/roldan.chupacabra.KSAT

Nah, just got home...poor little poisoned goatsucker! Whatever it is I feel sorry for it.

[Nawny]

The bar is set low for some.

Indeed! She found the fact they they were not tortured and made Jungle Janes, a good thing. They should make her define torture. Aye, perhaps being treated like a receptacle is commonplace in her book. I'm afraid Jaycee is the epitome of Stockholm Syndrome. I can understand where she had to see that POC as her only means of survival and could have even thought she loves the man.

If he is indeed the murderer of all those other young women, I'm going to venture to guess that they fought him and died for it and Jaycee cooperated in order to survive.

I'm still not sure why she didn't call the police when she obviously had opportunity. There is so much to this story. I can only speculate that the girl took pity on these folks, or they had her convinced she would die if she called LE. It's very complex and yet I just don't see her happy to be home with her own family. There could be some anger there because they didn't rescue her at 11 years old. After all, basically, she knows no other life as an adult woman but the one she had been living. This case is breaking my brain.
Those 2 psychos have to answer for this mess. It's was a soul murder.

[Nawny]

Nah, just got home...poor little poisoned goatsucker! Whatever it is I feel sorry for it.

It's a mythical animal. I thought that meant it can't really exist. :confused:

[Nawny]

Thank You Nawny-i refer to you as Nawny-that would only confuse my DH if i used Joanna as that is my MIL's name :beer: Yep i am sure i have been called names i dont wanna know :D I know brat was popular for my brother and sister to use since i was the baby :confused:

Brat, hmmm that sounds familiar :tongue: It night not surprise my sibs to know the names I called them. It took me 40 years to tell them to their faces.

Stoogotz
Bah fongoul
Chooch
Koogootz
etc

:beer:

[BeastofBears]

It's a mythical animal. I thought that meant it can't really exist. :confused:

Well, look what happened with unicorns.

[BeastofBears]

Indeed! She found the fact they they were not tortured and made Jungle Janes, a good thing. They should make her define torture. Aye, perhaps being treated like a receptacle is commonplace in her book. I'm afraid Jaycee is the epitome of Stockholm Syndrome. I can understand where she had to see that POC as her only means of survival and could have even thought she loves the man.

If he is indeed the murderer of all those other young women, I'm going to venture to guess that they fought him and died for it and Jaycee cooperated in order to survive.

I'm still not sure why she didn't call the police when she obviously had opportunity. There is so much to this story. I can only speculate that the girl took pity on these folks, or they had her convinced she would die if she called LE. It's very complex and yet I just don't see her happy to be home with her own family. There could be some anger there because they didn't rescue her at 11 years old. After all, basically, she knows no other life as an adult woman but the one she had been living. This case is breaking my brain.
Those 2 psychos have to answer for this mess. It's was a soul murder.

They broke HER brain. Elizabeth Smart didn't try to get away when she had a chance, and she was only held, what, a year? And who knows what conditions she was held under when she was really little. Her first baby was born when she was 14. I bet that changed the game. Could she get away with them? People said they saw Jaycee, people said they saw the girls, but so far no one I have heard saw them all together. Now that would be power!

[Nawny]

WTF, he kidnapped a child, got her pregnant at 13. Kept her and the children in deplorable conditions and maybe even murdered other women. What, we should give him a medal because he didn't murder her or the babies? :flame mad:

That bubblehead was trying to sound important. Another camera lover. She back peddled when she was reminded that he molested Jaycee for 18 years. Then she stumbles over her verbs and starts going in the other direction.
She's a chooch! Wasted air space. Nobody cares what she thinks because she doesn't think. Maybe she was his babe too? I got that thought instantly.

[Nawny]

They broke HER brain. Elizabeth Smart didn't try to get away when she had a chance, and she was only held, what, a year? And who knows what conditions she was held under when she was really little. Her first baby was born when she was 14. I bet that changed the game. Could she get away with them? People said they saw Jaycee, people said they saw the girls, but so far no one I have heard saw them all together. Now that would be power!

Good points. SO if she was oppressed for all those years, WOW what a new brain path that can carve in a human being. This is going to take some years to undo. IMO.

BTW, didn't one of those female cops say that one of the young girls referred to an older sister? Did those babies not know Jaycee was their mother? Or were they taught to lie since on baby food? Also, would it not have been costly for that creep to support 3 kids. He didn't seem to have much of an income. Not to say that he supported them well, but as the chooch said, "Their hair was clean." Good LORD, they we not ever a part of society, no SS number, no schooling. Big brother wasn't even aware of them.

Gag me.. I'm all over this one.

[Nawny]

I know when I teach my dance class I shorten people's names. I am not trying to be disrespectful, I just can't make individual corrections easily when I have to say Elizabeth, do this - Katherine - more snap. I currently have 4 Sue's on Monday night. They are numbered according to when they started with me I -IV. They know who they are. I cannot differentiate between Susan, Suzanne, Sue B. and Sue D. They joke about it and introduce themselves as I, II, III, and IV.

One person complained to me that she was to be called Elizabeth, nothing less. Other ladies pulled her aside and asked her how long she was on the waiting list to get in the class. She said 3 months. They replied if you want her to teach you/correct you, you better let her call you whatever she wants.

Funny story - a foreign born student started class. Comes from a background where woman do not dance (you get the idea). I welcomed her to class and asked her what her name was. It was long and difficult, but it had something in the middle that sounded a lot like Molly. I asked her if Molly would do, and she agreed. She became a regular in class and even started coming to the various social functions that people from class would invite her to. After about a year she brought a friend with her, same background. The friend asked me to give her a name that everyone could remember and pronounce. Apparently Molly felt more like a member of the group because no one stumbled over her name.

Anyway, I promise not to call you Dave.

LOL! Great story. :) Teach me how to dance ShadeeDee!! I love to dance but always wanted to be one of those dancers where everyone backs away and goes WOW! AWWW GREAT!!! :beer: I'd love it if all the good looking guys threw their apartment keys at me too! :tongue: I'm so bad, but not as bad as Beem. Can you see her dancing in her CFM shoes? :punch:

After what you told us about your birth and the name issue, I'm surpized you don't have name issues now. ;) You're like me, call me anything. I know who I am. I'm the one with the rolling pin. :rolleyes:

I won't call you dave either.

[BeastofBears]

[/B]

Good points. SO if she was oppressed for all those years, WOW what a new brain path that can carve in a human being. This is going to take some years to undo. IMO.

BTW, didn't one of those female cops say that one of the young girls referred to an older sister? Did those babies not know Jaycee was their mother? Or were they taught to lie since on baby food? Also, would it not have been costly for that creep to support 3 kids. He didn't seem to have much of an income. Not to say that he supported them well, but as the chooch said, "Their hair was clean." Good LORD, they we not ever a part of society, no SS number, no schooling. Big brother wasn't even aware of them.

Gag me.. I'm all over this one.

They didn't know. I heard they found out yesterday she wasn't their big sister.

Apparently the printing business started doing well once Jaycee began taking the orders.

[Nawny]

Some of the ones I get on the work site I can not say. Even in Spanish. I think I have been cussed out in three at least now.

I can't imagine what it would sound like hearing someone talk Spanish with a southern accent deacon. OH! :eek: I forgot. You don't have an accent. I do ;)

I get self concious sometimes when people pick up on my east coast accent. One of my dear friends, (now deceased) always made fun of my accent. She was from Connecticut where they really pronounce their "R's.

She got me to throw an R in, parking lot, Car, Fart, Market, and lots of other nice words. But I revert back to my inborn ways. When I was having lunch with Gator and her mom, and her mom smiled and said, "I miss that accent, since I've been out of NY for so many years." LOL! It made me very aware of my R's because I forget. That was a cute moment with Gators mom. :)

[Nawny]

They didn't know. I heard they found out yesterday she wasn't their big sister.

Apparently the printing business started doing well once Jaycee began taking the orders.

OMG! Yesterday? Ouch! Those poor people! His damage goes beyond molestation. Of course that being the most heinous.

[deacon]

I can't imagine what it would sound like hearing someone talk Spanish with a southern accent deacon. OH! :eek: I forgot. You don't have an accent. I do ;)

I get self concious sometimes when people pick up on my east coast accent. One of my dear friends, (now deceased) always made fun of my accent. She was from Connecticut where they really pronounce their "R's.

She got me to throw an R in, parking lot, Car, Fart, Market, and lots of other nice words. But I revert back to my inborn ways. When I was having lunch with Gator and her mom, and her mom smiled and said, "I miss that accent, since I've been out of NY for so many years." LOL! It made me very aware of my R's because I forget. That was a cute moment with Gators mom. :)

Naw, we both do. Mine isn't as bad as some around here. My first grade teacher was about 25 and from Maine. She went to the office crying after the first day because we couldn't understand her and she couldn't understand us. She was such a cool teacher though. We all worked through it. We got where we could understand her and she could understand us. My favorite teacher. She was diagnosed with brain cancer toward the end of the year and died shortly afterward. When the class found out we all cried. Yep, the boys too. This is for her.:rose:

[Nawny]

Naw, we both do. Mine isn't as bad as some around here. My first grade teacher was about 25 and from Maine. She went to the office crying after the first day because we couldn't understand her and she couldn't understand us. She was such a cool teacher though. We all worked through it. We got where we could understand her and she could understand us. My favorite teacher. She was diagnosed with brain cancer toward the end of the year and died shortly afterward. When the class found out we all cried. Yep, the boys too. This is for her.:rose:

Aw deacon! That's a sad ending to such a nice story. :(

:rose:

[BeastofBears]

Just randomly, I would like to share one of my favorite news photos ever. It is from the incident this year when a boat went over the falls and the "official" rescuers couldn't reach the people by boat. A nearby construction crew swung their crane around over the water, and this guy slung himself up and rescued the lady. Probably a violation of every safety rule huh, deacon?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2i1f5l5.png

Is there anything more beautiful than a hero?

[Nawny]

Well, look what happened with unicorns.

:eek: What? What happened to the unicorns????:eek:

[DrewBerry]

Loretta, you here? Just following up with your story about getting help for your father. It sounds like you were able to get him the help he needed. Good to hear.
I am the only one in my family that is supportive of getting her counseling or other professional help. My family is another family that lives in denial and I'm just "a trouble maker, black sheep!" I believe my mother is personality disordered: histrionic and dependent. Not much you can do with PD's as you know so I keep my distance as best I can to maintain my sanity!
I truly appreciate your thoughts and prayer. You are a dear.
DrewB

[Nawny]

Just randomly, I would like to share one of my favorite news photos ever. It is from the incident this year when a boat went over the falls and the "official" rescuers couldn't reach the people by boat. A nearby construction crew swung their crane around over the water, and this guy slung himself up and rescued the lady. Probably a violation of every safety rule huh, deacon?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2i1f5l5.png

Is there anything more beautiful than a hero?

Woooo hoooo! That's great B!

[BeastofBears]

:eek: What? What happened to the unicorns????:eek:

http://i29.tinypic.com/qxqgs1.jpg

[Nawny]

http://i29.tinypic.com/qxqgs1.jpg

WOOOOOOOOOOO..... I want one!

[old_soul]

Just randomly, I would like to share one of my favorite news photos ever. It is from the incident this year when a boat went over the falls and the "official" rescuers couldn't reach the people by boat. A nearby construction crew swung their crane around over the water, and this guy slung himself up and rescued the lady. Probably a violation of every safety rule huh, deacon?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2i1f5l5.png

Is there anything more beautiful than a hero?

WOO HOO, absolutely nothing better, especially if he had taken his shirt off.. (but left his workboots on!!) LMAO!:D

I think he deserves a hugggggggggg ;) and some catcalls...one good turn deserves another! LOL

Great photo darlin, thanks for postin!

[Nawny]

Danny's birthday is almost over, for this year. I just want to thank all of you for holding my hand through this one. I think you all know what grief is like, and I am more than sure your own our hearts are pretty much taped together from some of the suffering put upon you at one time or another. I've always known I am not alone, because suffering does not discriminate and nothing protects anyone from sorrow. Many of us have been shaken to pieces. But this year, on Danny's birthday, because of all your kind words, today was not so harsh.

I don't know how to say thank you because it is a gift of such great proportions! Just know, you helped. Talking about Danny does not make me sad. Reading well wishes and beautiful prayers for him, makes me happy. My only wish is that you all could have known him. He loved life and he talked to everyone he saw. His smile was infectious and his laughter resounds in my head every day.

His problems in later life were too much for him to cope with, and he chose to go home where we all know, there are no tears, just peace, and a kind of joy some of us cannot know here. We as his family continue his story and thank him for coming to us. Like Beem says, "It's all good"

There are some things I can't know, but I know this: LOVE. Come from that point, and all things are manageable.

Thank you all!:rose:

Jo

As you know, I can still party! :beer:

[Nawny]

WOO HOO, absolutely nothing better, especially if he had taken his shirt off.. (but left his workboots on!!) LMAO!:D

I think he deserves a hugggggggggg ;) and some catcalls...one good turn deserves another! LOL

Great photo darlin, thanks for postin!

LOL!! You lil putana!! LOL!!! ;)

[BeastofBears]

Danny's birthday is almost over, for this year. I just want to thank all of you for holding my hand through this one. I think you all know what grief is like, and I am more than sure your own our hearts are pretty much taped together from some of the suffering put upon you at one time or another. I've always known I am not alone, because suffering does not discriminate and nothing protects anyone from sorrow. Many of us have been shaken to pieces. But this year, on Danny's birthday, because of all your kind words, today was not so harsh.

I don't know how to say thank you because it is a gift of such great proportions! Just know, you helped. Talking about Danny does not make me sad. Reading well wishes and beautiful prayers for him, makes me happy. My only wish is that you all could have known him. He loved life and he talked to everyone he saw. His smile was infectious and his laughter resounds in my head every day.

His problems in later life were too much for him to cope with, and he chose to go home where we all know, there are no tears, just peace, and a kind of joy some of us cannot know here. We as his family continue his story and thank him for coming to us. Like Beem says, "It's all good"

There are some things I can't know, but I know this: LOVE. Come from that point, and all things are manageable.

Thank you all!:rose:

Jo

As you know, I can still party! :beer:

I wish I could have met him too, Jo! Through you, I can see a piece of what he was like.

To Danny! http://i12.tinypic.com/61y9qie.jpg

[old_soul]

Danny's birthday is almost over, for this year. I just want to thank all of you for holding my hand through this one. I think you all know what grief is like, and I am more than sure your own our hearts are pretty much taped together from some of the suffering put upon you at one time or another. I've always known I am not alone, because suffering does not discriminate and nothing protects anyone from sorrow. Many of us have been shaken to pieces. But this year, on Danny's birthday, because of all your kind words, today was not so harsh.

I don't know how to say thank you because it is a gift of such great proportions! Just know, you helped. Talking about Danny does not make me sad. Reading well wishes and beautiful prayers for him, makes me happy. My only wish is that you all could have known him. He loved life and he talked to everyone he saw. His smile was infectious and his laughter resounds in my head every day.

His problems in later life were too much for him to cope with, and he chose to go home where we all know, there are no tears, just peace, and a kind of joy some of us cannot know here. We as his family continue his story and thank him for coming to us. Like Beem says, "It's all good"

There are some things I can't know, but I know this: LOVE. Come from that point, and all things are manageable.

Thank you all!:rose:

Jo

As you know, I can still party! :beer:


Oh my Goombalina.

They say God does not give us more than we can handle...I never understood that, because as you and I and many of us know, a piece of our hearts go with ones we love...and it hurts unbearably. Your Danny is free of the pain he felt and is where we all aspire to be one day..That is our consolation, Your consolation, and enough to make you smile. Yes, he is happy. God just needed him sooner than the rest of us!

Danny is doing something good up there! Again, Happy Birthday to your Danny, my honey Jo! http://i27.tinypic.com/143c5c.gif

[Nawny]

I wish I could have met him too, Jo! Through you, I can see a piece of what he was like.

To Danny! http://i12.tinypic.com/61y9qie.jpg

Thank you baby doll. :)

[Nawny]

Oh my Goombalina.

They say God does not give us more than we can handle...I never understood that, because as you and I and many of us know, a piece of our hearts go with ones we love...and it hurts unbearably. Your Danny is free of the pain he felt and is where we all aspire to be one day..That is our consolation, Your consolation, and enough to make you smile. Yes, he is happy. God just needed him sooner than the rest of us!

Danny is doing something good up there! Again, Happy Birthday to your Danny, my honey Jo! http://i27.tinypic.com/143c5c.gif

Another flower and his birthday has only 5 minutes left. :) Thank you love.:rose: That one deserves a shot of Baileys.

:beer:

[SaraSidle]

Oh my goodness. It is Wagsy's birthday today..........sara

[deacon]

Just randomly, I would like to share one of my favorite news photos ever. It is from the incident this year when a boat went over the falls and the "official" rescuers couldn't reach the people by boat. A nearby construction crew swung their crane around over the water, and this guy slung himself up and rescued the lady. Probably a violation of every safety rule huh, deacon?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2i1f5l5.png

Is there anything more beautiful than a hero?

It was but, in this situation, the safety rules would have to go out the window. Only thing I would have aske him to do was tie himself off to the cable above the headache ball.

I would simply tell the OSHA Inspector to hush, I'll talk to you after this is over with. The operator is not working and the guy on the headache ball is not working. They quit a few minutes ago and we will hire them back just as soon as the finish what they are doing. They will be punished with a big bonus and a steak dinner and then they will be allowed to come back to work. Possibly with a raise.:beer:

After further review of the picture, he is tied off above the headache ball. Hmmm we have to increase the raise a bit.

[Nawny]

Happy Birthday Wagsy! Make this day your special day. Let people wait on you, it's YOUR DAY! You wait on them all year. Hmmm, Sheesh, we get one day. Count um, ONE! :confused:

What a nice time of year to be born Virgo. It's a gorgeous day today. Hope you feel better soon. I picked a cake for all those who want fruit instead of chocolate.. heh. ;) I know Virgo is very fussy. Hope you like it!

http://i41.tinypic.com/2q8rj4p.jpg

[Nawny]

Loretta, you here? Just following up with your story about getting help for your father. It sounds like you were able to get him the help he needed. Good to hear.
I am the only one in my family that is supportive of getting her counseling or other professional help. My family is another family that lives in denial and I'm just "a trouble maker, black sheep!" I believe my mother is personality disordered: histrionic and dependent. Not much you can do with PD's as you know so I keep my distance as best I can to maintain my sanity!
I truly appreciate your thoughts and prayer. You are a dear.
DrewB

Hi DrewB! I didn't catch the post about Loretta's dad but I send my prayers too her and to you. I think I've reached a point where I can let go of some of the people I love that can't be helped, or won't be. It's a ton of work to change what we've always been. Most people don't want to change. Some are like children who have only known dependency. It's hard to force them to help themselves. Like they say in NYC, it doan woik!

Your mom sounds angry as hell. It's not your fault. That problem most likely started before you were born. THe Black Sheep blame themselves for everything, until with the help of love, they stop. It's a very hard statement to say to those we are supposed to love: "I don't like that person.!" But hey, it beats becoming a victim forever.

"I hope you dance" :rose:

[beemer]

Awww Nawners we know u are bad to the bone;) Or should i say rolling pin:D
Oh and just another point to ponder on the Jaycee case. Most victims become so dependant on their captors for survival they do develop bonds over time. Another horrible element for these poor victim's to move past. I cant imagine what this family is going to go thru in the years to come. I know they have been compared to other victim's and TH's discussing how they over came. No comparasin in my opine. I doubt Jaycee even remembers who she was and that time in her life with her family. As far as the children go most other victims have had some form of prior socialization,formal education etc. etc. They have missed so many critical periods they will never catch up. I hope love is enought to sustain them here on earth. I fear for all 3 but pray for a good outcome :rose:

[Nawny]

Awww Nawners we know u are bad to the bone;) Or should i say rolling pin:D
Oh and just another point to ponder on the Jaycee case. Most victims become so dependant on their captors for survival they do develop bonds over time. Another horrible element for these poor victim's to move past. I cant imagine what this family is going to go thru in the years to come. I know they have been compared to other victim's and TH's discussing how they over came. No comparasin in my opine. I doubt Jaycee even remembers who she was and that time in her life with her family. As far as the children go most other victims have had some form of prior socialization,formal education etc. etc. They have missed so many critical periods they will never catch up. I hope love is enought to sustain them here on earth. I fear for all 3 but pray for a good outcome :rose:


Me too Beem. It can go either way. Jaycee could become terrified of all relationships and have Zero trust in people... or she could have developed extraordinary empathy for all those victims of abuse and be an advocate for them in years to come. She seems to have been a very special spirit with a kind of survivor's instinct rare and strong. Some humans have a blueprint at birth that has some kind of love equity nothing can destroy. I worry about those 3 victims and the fallout from this monster. Both monsters. How dare they do this to children. It's unbelievable! And yet.....

[beemer]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY WAGSY:rose: Feel better soon darlin:rose:

[beemer]

Sam is setting up a party in the lounge Tuesday night since deacon wont be back in town til then. So we can make it a deacon,wagsy birthday bash? I say since wags is under the weather we make it a pyjama party? What do ya think? Then wags can lurk in her jammies if still ill. CFM shoes allowed but jammies must be resectable as there may be a deacon in the house :biggrin:

[beemer]

I know Nawners it is just so hard to wrap your head around. I pray they can etch out some kind of life but in all honesty i am very worried for them all. Her parents will have such a road ahead. I cant imagine the joy they felt knowing their daughter was alive. Now the reality of watching her suffer and dealing with the grandchildren she sired with that monster will be such a painful reminder everyday. I hate that those 2 monsters will still have power over all of them in the days and years ahead. I feel for Jaycee's parents this is going to be a road from hell for all of them :rose:

[lighthousedazy]

Happy Birthday Wagsy. Hope you are feeling better. :beer:

[Amy]

I'll get a rope and the gun. Anyone know where we can find a strong oak tree? I have no use for the dregs of the septic tank like this one.:flamemad:

I don't know if it's oak, but the tree standing in the folks' yard is plenty sturdy, holds Mom's swing bench. Several of us more hefty kids can sit on it together, and the bough doens't break. It's even out in the middle of no-where, you wouldn't need to worry much about attracting attention, unless ya want to.

[Amy]

I will. Thanks. I just don't know if I will know how to act in that type of place. I'll be scared to hit a shot because I might mess up their grass or something. I'll get to play where all of the greats of the Senior PGA once played. That is almost like getting to play baseball in Yankee Stadium.

Just think of yourself as Arnie or someone famous like that--I'm sure they didn't worry about messing up the grass!!!

Have a good time!!!

[Amy]

My friend is named Babette. I had a boyfriend for a while who nicknamed her "bab*tch". He didn't last long after that. She nicknamed him "The Rodent"

I understand why they did not like their nics.

Growing up, my brother was known as Bobby. When he got to high school age, many people wanted to shorten it to Bob. HE started going by the name Robert. Didn't want Bob, it rhymed w/Slob and he didn't want to go there!!! It took a few years (us older kids were already out of the house) for us to get to the point of calling him Robert. He put up w/the occasional slip of Bobby, but after 40 years, most of us don't even remember "Bobby."

A sister named Mary sure hated the shortened version "Mare" --but I notice she uses that in an email addy, lol.

[deacon]

Sam is setting up a party in the lounge Tuesday night since deacon wont be back in town til then. So we can make it a deacon,wagsy birthday bash? I say since wags is under the weather we make it a pyjama party? What do ya think? Then wags can lurk in her jammies if still ill. CFM shoes allowed but jammies must be resectable as there may be a deacon in the house :biggrin:

I'll be back here on Tuesday night. After another wonderful day at the site. Today could be interesting. The general contractor is getting rid of about 300 people to day that tend to not come to work on Mondays or Fridays on a regular basis. In today's times one should be glad to have a job and show their rear ends up every day. I mean, they don't work that hard but please just show up.:shrug:

[Amy]

Hey BoB, have you seen this one on today's CNN?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/09/01/roldan.chupacabra.KSAT

I'd never heard of a chupacabra. I hope the interview didn't last too long, looked like the poor thing was gonna thaw out.

[BeastofBears]

I know Nawners it is just so hard to wrap your head around. I pray they can etch out some kind of life but in all honesty i am very worried for them all. Her parents will have such a road ahead. I cant imagine the joy they felt knowing their daughter was alive. Now the reality of watching her suffer and dealing with the grandchildren she sired with that monster will be such a painful reminder everyday. I hate that those 2 monsters will still have power over all of them in the days and years ahead. I feel for Jaycee's parents this is going to be a road from hell for all of them :rose:

I bet they will react like families with a nasty divorce in the family, and consider the kids totally theirs. "The kids are US, the enemy is THEM" I've seen that a lot.

Jaycee's mom is actually a really strong person. She has always been most impressive. I bet the girls are bonding with her really well. Considering they were totally dependent on the Freak I bet they are kind of programmed to transfer that dependence to another, and she would be a good option, imo. Then they can begin to be weaned off...

[deacon]

I don't know if it's oak, but the tree standing in the folks' yard is plenty sturdy, holds Mom's swing bench. Several of us more hefty kids can sit on it together, and the bough doens't break. It's even out in the middle of no-where, you wouldn't need to worry much about attracting attention, unless ya want to.

I'll bring the rope and the only thing else we will need is a chair to kick out from under them. Sorry, I have no patience or empathy for people of this ilk. Hey, I can probably bring a backhoe too to dig the hole.:beer:

[beemer]

I'll be back here on Tuesday night. After another wonderful day at the site. Today could be interesting. The general contractor is getting rid of about 300 people to day that tend to not come to work on Mondays or Fridays on a regular basis. In today's times one should be glad to have a job and show their rear ends up every day. I mean, they don't work that hard but please just show up.:shrug:

Wow thats alot of lazy folk. Yes in these times what is up with that:shrug:

[deacon]

Just think of yourself as Arnie or someone famous like that--I'm sure they didn't worry about messing up the grass!!!

Have a good time!!!

I looked at the website of the course and this will be a big challenge. This course ain't easy.:eek:

[beemer]

I looked at the website of the course and this will be a big challenge. This course ain't easy.:eek:

I'm sure it will be a tough one deacon-stay outta the beach:eek:
For the record Oppenheim- 3rd hole even par-I'll try not to be too annoying with this tourney:D

[deacon]

Wow thats alot of lazy folk. Yes in these times what is up with that:shrug:

A lot of what is called "road trash" in this business. They travel around working short term shut downs. They can not stay long in one place because of their work habits and other habits they have. Either not showing up for work after about a month or the random drug tests will get them every time. These are the ones who give construction workers a bad name. I, most of the time, can spot them from a mile away. They always have an attitude that they are better than everyone else and that the company, which ever one they are working for, owes them something because they are so great. Most of them live at least two paychecks ahead and always spend more than they make. Dope is expensive, yep it is.

[Amy]

They broke HER brain. Elizabeth Smart didn't try to get away when she had a chance, and she was only held, what, a year? And who knows what conditions she was held under when she was really little. Her first baby was born when she was 14. I bet that changed the game. Could she get away with them? People said they saw Jaycee, people said they saw the girls, but so far no one I have heard saw them all together. Now that would be power!

Perhaps she and Steven Staynor had something else in common. He pretty much did as he had to, to survive, too. But, when he saw his kidnapper start up with another victim, he decided that child would not have to go thru what HE did, and did for that one, what he seemed to not be able to do for himself.

Perhaps, the POS hadn't taken up with her "sisters," @ least that she knew of. Maybe something happened where she saw they were going to be their "dad's" next victims, or found out they already were, and knew she had to get them out of that environment.

[beemer]

Perhaps she and Steven Staynor had something else in common. He pretty much did as he had to, to survive, too. But, when he saw his kidnapper start up with another victim, he decided that child would not have to go thru what HE did, and did for that one, what he seemed to not be able to do for himself.

Perhaps, the POS hadn't taken up with her "sisters," @ least that she knew of. Maybe something happened where she saw they were going to be their "dad's" next victims, or found out they already were, and knew she had to get them out of that environment.

I just have a bad feeling Amy they already were victim's Amy if u look at their ages and the age of when Jaycee was taken. In my opine she has no memory of her prior life or very little. I'm sure the threats were enough to keep her quiet and she would be so beyond traumatized after 18 yrs. Prolly brainwashed enough to the point she no longer knew this was not acceptable. I'm just thankful he did not impregnate those 2 children-that we know of :flamemad::cuss:

[BeastofBears]

I'd never heard of a chupacabra. I hope the interview didn't last too long, looked like the poor thing was gonna thaw out.

Uh-oh, but they've heard of you, Amy! http://i16.tinypic.com/4htl3wx.jpg

[Amy]

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Good points. SO if she was oppressed for all those years, WOW what a new brain path that can carve in a human being. This is going to take some years to undo. IMO.

BTW, didn't one of those female cops say that one of the young girls referred to an older sister? Did those babies not know Jaycee was their mother? Or were they taught to lie since on baby food? Also, would it not have been costly for that creep to support 3 kids. He didn't seem to have much of an income. Not to say that he supported them well, but as the chooch said, "Their hair was clean." Good LORD, they we not ever a part of society, no SS number, no schooling. Big brother wasn't even aware of them.

Gag me.. I'm all over this one.

I would imagine that they were always told Jaycee was their sister. Same as when any new baby comes into the home. If she was only ever referred to as "Sister" in their presence, that is who they would know her as.

He's lucky they seem to be quite healthy. The cost is reduced considerably if you don't have any medical bills, pharmacy bills. No education related bills, fees for the YMCA, etc. Didn't even have to worry about spending much on clothing, pick something up @ a garage sale, the thrift store, etc. Whatever his mortgage/rent, utility and electric bills he would have had to pay anyway. Didn't look like the camp ground accommodations would add much to the utility type bills.

The th sounds as ridiculous as Jaynie Weitreb (whatever.) Absolutely stupid sounding stuff because, as defense th's, they have to try to come up w/something in their "defense." I hope they actually watch the videos of their appearances--and get sick to their stomachs and hide their heads in embarrassment of the carp they come up with. It has to sound lame to themselves, doncha think? When that is all you can come up w/in the way of defense of these POS's, then you know you have nothing to hang your hat on. IMO

[BeastofBears]

It was but, in this situation, the safety rules would have to go out the window. Only thing I would have aske him to do was tie himself off to the cable above the headache ball.

I would simply tell the OSHA Inspector to hush, I'll talk to you after this is over with. The operator is not working and the guy on the headache ball is not working. They quit a few minutes ago and we will hire them back just as soon as the finish what they are doing. They will be punished with a big bonus and a steak dinner and then they will be allowed to come back to work. Possibly with a raise.:beer:

After further review of the picture, he is tied off above the headache ball. Hmmm we have to increase the raise a bit.

I bet they got all of the above. They deserve it. I look at this picture when I am down on humanity to remind myself how many good people there still are, most of whom we never hear of...

[Amy]

They didn't know. I heard they found out yesterday she wasn't their big sister.

Apparently the printing business started doing well once Jaycee began taking the orders.

I can't remember which board it was on, but one poster was saying that the printing business can bring in a few dollars. Over $100 for 25 cards, the kind you put in wedding invitations, and the poster was inviting a hundred or so people to the daughter's wedding. I don't know the prices the POS was charging, but sounds like he could have been making enough to keep above water. That is, if he wasn't spending it all on his "church." Cuz it didn't sound like he had too many followers, and congregation donations are what most churches survive on.

[BeastofBears]

I can't remember which board it was on, but one poster was saying that the printing business can bring in a few dollars. Over $100 for 25 cards, the kind you put in wedding invitations, and the poster was inviting a hundred or so people to the daughter's wedding. I don't know the prices the POS was charging, but sounds like he could have been making enough to keep above water. That is, if he wasn't spending it all on his "church." Cuz it didn't sound like he had too many followers, and congregation donations are what most churches survive on.

As far as I can tell, no congregation at all. As for the business, quite a few customers have been interviewed and all raved about what a good account manager Jaycee was. Of course, they knew her as Alissa. But its good to know she has skill to get a job in the future, if someone will give her a chance...which most would around here...

[Amy]

I can't imagine what it would sound like hearing someone talk Spanish with a southern accent deacon. OH! :eek: I forgot. You don't have an accent. I do ;)

I get self concious sometimes when people pick up on my east coast accent. One of my dear friends, (now deceased) always made fun of my accent. She was from Connecticut where they really pronounce their "R's.

She got me to throw an R in, parking lot, Car, Fart, Market, and lots of other nice words. But I revert back to my inborn ways. When I was having lunch with Gator and her mom, and her mom smiled and said, "I miss that accent, since I've been out of NY for so many years." LOL! It made me very aware of my R's because I forget. That was a cute moment with Gators mom. :)

We have several folks origionally from the NY area, and some Canadian nurses. It's not blatant, but there are times when you KNOW they aren't Midwest born, lol. Garage, apricot, about. They all sound just a little...different, ya know!!!

I am Kansas, born and bred, yet people are just sure I am an Okie!!! This is even from people who have lived in the same area as I have, forever. Going to school, there was another gal that everyone tho't was from OK, too. Well, we both were raised pert near the OK stateline, but I don't know why they would say that about us, and not our siblings and classmates, who were raised right along with us!!!

Mom's relatives that still live in the MI area--they not only have an odd accent, they talk so fast you about need an interpreter to follow what they are saying!!!

[BeastofBears]

Ah, Amy, you just brought back a memory! When my grandfather was cut off by a bad driver or some such shenanigans, he would yell about them being an "Okie from Fenokie!"...I still have no idea why that was insulting...but based on the context, it was the worst thing he could say in my grandmother's presence...

[Amy]

Just randomly, I would like to share one of my favorite news photos ever. It is from the incident this year when a boat went over the falls and the "official" rescuers couldn't reach the people by boat. A nearby construction crew swung their crane around over the water, and this guy slung himself up and rescued the lady. Probably a violation of every safety rule huh, deacon?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2i1f5l5.png

Is there anything more beautiful than a hero?

See, now THIS is a hero!!! And all the soldier men and women. And the cops and firefighters. All the other regular folk who put their lives on the line in order to save the life of another, like this fellow.

I spit nails when I hear people call (or see in articles) "superstars" of cinema and sports "heroes." Go ahead, call them superstars, but leave the hero part off. Swinging a bat or running down a football field or giving an unforgettable performance on stage or screen has NOTHING to do w/heroism. Nothing @ all. :flamemad:

[Amy]

Danny's birthday is almost over, for this year. I just want to thank all of you for holding my hand through this one. I think you all know what grief is like, and I am more than sure your own our hearts are pretty much taped together from some of the suffering put upon you at one time or another. I've always known I am not alone, because suffering does not discriminate and nothing protects anyone from sorrow. Many of us have been shaken to pieces. But this year, on Danny's birthday, because of all your kind words, today was not so harsh.

I don't know how to say thank you because it is a gift of such great proportions! Just know, you helped. Talking about Danny does not make me sad. Reading well wishes and beautiful prayers for him, makes me happy. My only wish is that you all could have known him. He loved life and he talked to everyone he saw. His smile was infectious and his laughter resounds in my head every day.

His problems in later life were too much for him to cope with, and he chose to go home where we all know, there are no tears, just peace, and a kind of joy some of us cannot know here. We as his family continue his story and thank him for coming to us. Like Beem says, "It's all good"

There are some things I can't know, but I know this: LOVE. Come from that point, and all things are manageable.

Thank you all!:rose:

Jo

As you know, I can still party! :beer:

:rose::rose::rose:

[Amy]

Oh my goodness. It is Wagsy's birthday today..........sara

I was going to try to be the first to wish her Happy Birthday, but I kept falling asleep!!!

Happy, Happy, Wagsy. :beer:Here's to many more!!!!

Hope you get to feeling better, quick!!!! Miss you at the board.

:rose:

[Amy]

It was but, in this situation, the safety rules would have to go out the window. Only thing I would have aske him to do was tie himself off to the cable above the headache ball.

I would simply tell the OSHA Inspector to hush, I'll talk to you after this is over with. The operator is not working and the guy on the headache ball is not working. They quit a few minutes ago and we will hire them back just as soon as the finish what they are doing. They will be punished with a big bonus and a steak dinner and then they will be allowed to come back to work. Possibly with a raise.:beer:

After further review of the picture, he is tied off above the headache ball. Hmmm we have to increase the raise a bit.

I sure hope their boss(es) think like you do!!!

[beemer]

Those folk sure are unsung heroes. I like feel good stories. So many horrible one's out there today. And just when ya think it cant get any worse :mad:

[SaraSidle]

Uh-oh, but they've heard of you, Amy! http://i16.tinypic.com/4htl3wx.jpg

you are so bad. were you really someone's younger sister?? LOL

[Amy]

I'll bring the rope and the only thing else we will need is a chair to kick out from under them. Sorry, I have no patience or empathy for people of this ilk. Hey, I can probably bring a backhoe too to dig the hole.:beer:

Just don't want to make it too close to where we buried Shana. Not a sister, but a lovely black lab. We buried her there 19+ years ago, traveling 90 miles to do so. Tho't we'd put her where we all call "home." No matter where any of us moved, Shana would be "with family." As we were moving the folks' stuff out of their house last week, it dawned on us--strangers might be living there. And there is the probablity that the place will be razed, and her grave be plowed over.

Oh, well, she is in our hearts, it's only a toy box w/a favorite blanket there in the ground. We have pictures to warm the cockles of our hearts. That's all we really need.

But, I digress. I am sure the cesspool will be an easy dig. And about the right environment for the likes of them.:flamemad:

[beemer]

Sweet story Amy:rose:
deacon can ya make a hanging last bout 18 yrs :eek:

[Amy]

I'll be back here on Tuesday night. After another wonderful day at the site. Today could be interesting. The general contractor is getting rid of about 300 people to day that tend to not come to work on Mondays or Fridays on a regular basis. In today's times one should be glad to have a job and show their rear ends up every day. I mean, they don't work that hard but please just show up.:shrug:

I make sure I have my keister in there to work every day I'm scheduled, even when I'm not liking my job so much. Everyday I tell myself, "At least YOU have a job in a time when you hear so many have lost theirs. Get yourself to work and act like you are pleased to be there!!!!"

It's evaluation time @ work. The supervisor gave me mine the other day, and the end result was "exceeds" altho there were a couple of places that only "met" expectations. So, I figure, if I keep my nose clean, my mouth shut, and show up to work every day, I am good for another year!!! lol The hardest part for me is to keep my mouth shut. I have opinions, and can be quite vocal about them, if you can believe that, lol. ;)

[beemer]

Can somebody walk me thru how to post those cool pics? And i mean walk me thru step by step :tongue: I gotta head out for a bit but will be back later:seeya:

[Amy]

I'm sure it will be a tough one deacon-stay outta the beach:eek:
For the record Oppenheim- 3rd hole even par-I'll try not to be too annoying with this tourney:D

Not a problem!!! I don't know about the others, but I have been expecting you to keep us updated!!!!:seeya:

[Nawny]

Perhaps she and Steven Staynor had something else in common. He pretty much did as he had to, to survive, too. But, when he saw his kidnapper start up with another victim, he decided that child would not have to go thru what HE did, and did for that one, what he seemed to not be able to do for himself.

Perhaps, the POS hadn't taken up with her "sisters," @ least that she knew of. Maybe something happened where she saw they were going to be their "dad's" next victims, or found out they already were, and knew she had to get them out of that environment.

It sounds like Jaycee did get help for them on her own I'm behind on my reading; did she?

[Amy]

I just have a bad feeling Amy they already were victim's Amy if u look at their ages and the age of when Jaycee was taken. In my opine she has no memory of her prior life or very little. I'm sure the threats were enough to keep her quiet and she would be so beyond traumatized after 18 yrs. Prolly brainwashed enough to the point she no longer knew this was not acceptable. I'm just thankful he did not impregnate those 2 children-that we know of :flamemad::cuss:

That's why I wonder if something hadn't already happened--they are 11 and 14 or 15? The youngest just the age Jaycee was when she was kidnapped. So, one would wonder if he hasn't already introduced them into the world of sex, or should I say rape. Perhaps, if it has been going on, she just realized it, or acknowledged it, or maybe it took her some time to figure out just how to get them out.

I agree w/others that it is going to be a long row to hoe for this family. Even if the environment was a hell hole, it's the only environment they knew. He is their dad, and what loyalty to they have for Mr and Mrs POS? Did they call her mom? (Mrs POS, that is.) They have a whole new way of living in a family to adjust to, to say nothing of being with the rest of society, which might be overwhelming for them. While they may have had contact w/others, it certainly was limited, from what I could tell.

[Amy]

Uh-oh, but they've heard of you, Amy! http://i16.tinypic.com/4htl3wx.jpg

:biggrin: :beer: :seeya:

[Nawny]

Can somebody walk me thru how to post those cool pics? And i mean walk me thru step by step :tongue: I gotta head out for a bit but will be back later:seeya:

I'm sure I do it the long way. I save the picture I want to my picture place. then I go to tinypictures.com and browse. Find the picture. Click open.

Then I open the list available, it gives you choices, l choose it as url for message board, then copy, then paste here.

To copy just put the pointer on the thing and right click copy. Then to paste it, just right click paste. It's magic honest!

But don't listen to me. I don't understand any of it. :tongue:

[Amy]

It sounds like Jaycee did get help for them on her own I'm behind on my reading; did she?

I'm not sure what all happened. It seems the situation was started w/the Berekly (sorry, a campus) cop who tho't the girls were acting strange. Cops went to the house, where I understand the business is run from. I suppose, when questioned, is when "Alissa" admitted to the police that she is Jaycee. I haven't read that much on it, but wonder if she said that right up?

It's not exactly like the E Smart situation, where she had been gone only 9 months (certainly that is a long time, but in comparison w/Jaycee) and people recognized her, and she first said she isn't who they tho't she was, she wasn't that Elizabeth Smart person. I am sure the police who went to that house wouldn't have recognized her as the missing 11 y/o from 18 years ago.

I haven't looked here, but I am pretty sure there is a forum for her on another board. If I read thru that from the beginning, I'm sure the info of exactly what went down that she told them who she is will be there. Probably links with police pc's, too. I have to leave town pretty soon, but have all day tomorrow to look around.

[Nawny]

That's why I wonder if something hadn't already happened--they are 11 and 14 or 15? The youngest just the age Jaycee was when she was kidnapped. So, one would wonder if he hasn't already introduced them into the world of sex, or should I say rape. Perhaps, if it has been going on, she just realized it, or acknowledged it, or maybe it took her some time to figure out just how to get them out.

I agree w/others that it is going to be a long row to hoe for this family. Even if the environment was a hell hole, it's the only environment they knew. He is their dad, and what loyalty to they have for Mr and Mrs POS? Did they call her mom? (Mrs POS, that is.) They have a whole new way of living in a family to adjust to, to say nothing of being with the rest of society, which might be overwhelming for them. While they may have had contact w/others, it certainly was limited, from what I could tell.

(Ooo multi quote worked! That's a first!)

Yes Amy, I understand exactly what you mean, Beem too. I see those children as kids who had an abusive father, but when the father dies or is taken from them, they feel no relief, even if he abused them. They feel grief.

Their ages have to be a huge trigger for Jaycee too. I'm not evolved enough to know what will happen in this case, but I do know from experience, they have to process it until they can find a way to move on and live some semblance of normal lives.

This is definitely a text book case and will be a spring board for students to learn, in medical school. These kids are going to be the sacrificial lambs for understanding and examination of the psychology of the result of sexual, mental, and physical abuse. What a horrid intrusion of innocence. IMO Will the world ever comprehend it all?

Edit: The multi quote didn't work. I can't seem to get it to work. Hmmm, and I want to understand this case, yeah right!

[shadydaisy]

LOL! Great story. :) Teach me how to dance ShadeeDee!! I love to dance but always wanted to be one of those dancers where everyone backs away and goes WOW! AWWW GREAT!!! :beer: I'd love it if all the good looking guys threw their apartment keys at me too! :tongue: I'm so bad, but not as bad as Beem. Can you see her dancing in her CFM shoes? :punch:

After what you told us about your birth and the name issue, I'm surpized you don't have name issues now. ;) You're like me, call me anything. I know who I am. I'm the one with the rolling pin. :rolleyes:

I won't call you dave either.

We'll dance at the virtual birthday party! Do I need to come up with a pole dance routine? I don't currently have one in my repertoire, but give me 24 hours and I could pull one together.


I'll bring the rope and the only thing else we will need is a chair to kick out from under them. Sorry, I have no patience or empathy for people of this ilk. Hey, I can probably bring a backhoe too to dig the hole.:beer:

I have the perfect tree. I can use the backhoe for another project? Since you'd already be there I might as well do that project I was thinking about. Besides, it's the perfect cover.

[shadydaisy]

Edit: The multi quote didn't work. I can't seem to get it to work. Hmmm, and I want to understand this case, yeah right!

Really?! I use it all the time. Just click on the " on each one you want to quote - you won't see anything until you hit post reply. Low and behold - they should all show up.

[Nawny]

That's why I wonder if something hadn't already happened--they are 11 and 14 or 15? The youngest just the age Jaycee was when she was kidnapped. So, one would wonder if he hasn't already introduced them into the world of sex, or should I say rape. Perhaps, if it has been going on, she just realized it, or acknowledged it, or maybe it took her some time to figure out just how to get them out.

I agree w/others that it is going to be a long row to hoe for this family. Even if the environment was a hell hole, it's the only environment they knew. He is their dad, and what loyalty to they have for Mr and Mrs POS? Did they call her mom? (Mrs POS, that is.) They have a whole new way of living in a family to adjust to, to say nothing of being with the rest of society, which might be overwhelming for them. While they may have had contact w/others, it certainly was limited, from what I could tell.

I would imagine that they were always told Jaycee was their sister. Same as when any new baby comes into the home. If she was only ever referred to as "Sister" in their presence, that is who they would know her as.

He's lucky they seem to be quite healthy. The cost is reduced considerably if you don't have any medical bills, pharmacy bills. No education related bills, fees for the YMCA, etc. Didn't even have to worry about spending much on clothing, pick something up @ a garage sale, the thrift store, etc. Whatever his mortgage/rent, utility and electric bills he would have had to pay anyway. Didn't look like the camp ground accommodations would add much to the utility type bills.

The th sounds as ridiculous as Jaynie Weitreb (whatever.) Absolutely stupid sounding stuff because, as defense th's, they have to try to come up w/something in their "defense." I hope they actually watch the videos of their appearances--and get sick to their stomachs and hide their heads in embarrassment of the carp they come up with. It has to sound lame to themselves, doncha think? When that is all you can come up w/in the way of defense of these POS's, then you know you have nothing to hang your hat on. IMO

I hear you Amy. Why are they pleading innocent? It has to be based on their take on the remarkable religion this guy spouts. The world according to a perp, once again. When are these ass wipes going to stop insulting our intelligence?

You're right about the cost. It had to be minimal. True to form, this perp was in another dimension. I hope they treat this case right and he may end up under a table in the caf in jail if they let him into society there. Karma will get this pig. IMO

[deacon]

I make sure I have my keister in there to work every day I'm scheduled, even when I'm not liking my job so much. Everyday I tell myself, "At least YOU have a job in a time when you hear so many have lost theirs. Get yourself to work and act like you are pleased to be there!!!!"

It's evaluation time @ work. The supervisor gave me mine the other day, and the end result was "exceeds" altho there were a couple of places that only "met" expectations. So, I figure, if I keep my nose clean, my mouth shut, and show up to work every day, I am good for another year!!! lol The hardest part for me is to keep my mouth shut. I have opinions, and can be quite vocal about them, if you can believe that, lol. ;)

Nahhh. Not you. (or any of the rest of us) That was a good evaluation, congrats. Some of these people are not so smart.

[Nawny]

A lot of what is called "road trash" in this business. They travel around working short term shut downs. They can not stay long in one place because of their work habits and other habits they have. Either not showing up for work after about a month or the random drug tests will get them every time. These are the ones who give construction workers a bad name. I, most of the time, can spot them from a mile away. They always have an attitude that they are better than everyone else and that the company, which ever one they are working for, owes them something because they are so great. Most of them live at least two paychecks ahead and always spend more than they make. Dope is expensive, yep it is.

Oh yes deac! My pet peeve has just been activated by reading your post. Poppa comes home every night with a shocking (to him) story about incompetency in the work world. It is getting worse daily. The more he asks to speak to someone with a brain, the more he knows they are fewer and fewer.

Example. At his agency he offers Bill Paying. (Utilities) THis is a convenience in the south part of Providence RI because it is a poor area and many do not drive or have check books etc..


One client came in yesterday for insurance and told poppa he called the utility company for the address of a local bill paying service and got the name of his agency. Poppa was formally located on a street named, Broad St, while waiting for his tenant to leave his building on Elmwood. The clerk gave the man the street name to pay his utility bills as, Broadway, which is a street 3 miles away. The poor guy reported searching Broadway, couldn't find it, and it was coincidence that he found utility payments accepted at the insurance office.

Well, needless to say (if you know poppa) he went off like a rocket. He called the utility people and told them to stop doing that to people and give the correct address. The clerk said, oh, they'll change it and wanted to end the conversation.. not! Poppa asked, Well, who are THEY? She said, well sir, it's not up to me. Then he said, Well, if you're not going to get off your ass, give me the phone number of THEY.

After several tries, he gets the supervisor who heard his story and poppa was assured the address will be changed ASAP. But not before he told the man, (who was smart enough not to get cocky with him,) that the clerk he spoke to needed to get a brain. And that she should not answer the phone there.

His agents were all listening to him and holding their heads He is 3 doors down the hall in his office and they heard him. When he told me the story, I said, You need to stop swearing at those people. He said, They need to start working and stop shirking off their responsibilities. They are paid to serve the GD public, and my swearing is less offensive than what they're doing. I don't give a GD what they think of me.

He's making friends, as we say here. :cuss:

Ah yep, he's a river to his people. :hat:

[Nawny]

Edit: The multi quote didn't work. I can't seem to get it to work. Hmmm, and I want to understand this case, yeah right!

Really?! I use it all the time. Just click on the " on each one you want to quote - you won't see anything until you hit post reply. Low and behold - they should all show up.

Okay thanks, I'll try it now!

[Nawny]

Okay thanks, I'll try it now!

Hmmm, I did click on the ", nuthin! I even blacked out the initial post you made. Let me try it again.

[Nawny]

Hmmm, I did click on the ", nuthin! I even blacked out the initial post you made. Let me try it again.

hmmmm, nada. I'll figure it out. thank you shadeyD!

[Nawny]

I think its time to get out of my pj's and do something constructive for the day. NOT laundry!

:seeya:

[Nawny]

I'm still working on it but here's nawny's latest painting. I love the Victorian umbrella ladies. It might end up in my dining room. This is my 3rd attempt at the right one for that room.. I'm not sure if I like it yet. :o

http://i31.tinypic.com/hx915l.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/344ry51.jpg

[SaraSidle]

beautiful painting Nawny. Love the colors.

Everyone check out the lounge please!!!!!!!!!!1

[Amy]

Oh yes deac! My pet peeve has just been activated by reading your post. Poppa comes home every night with a shocking (to him) story about incompetency in the work world. It is getting worse daily. The more he asks to speak to someone with a brain, the more he knows they are fewer and fewer.

Example. At his agency he offers Bill Paying. (Utilities) THis is a convenience in the south part of Providence RI because it is a poor area and many do not drive or have check books etc..


One client came in yesterday for insurance and told poppa he called the utility company for the address of a local bill paying service and got the name of his agency. Poppa was formally located on a street named, Broad St, while waiting for his tenant to leave his building on Elmwood. The clerk gave the man the street name to pay his utility bills as, Broadway, which is a street 3 miles away. The poor guy reported searching Broadway, couldn't find it, and it was coincidence that he found utility payments accepted at the insurance office.

Well, needless to say (if you know poppa) he went off like a rocket. He called the utility people and told them to stop doing that to people and give the correct address. The clerk said, oh, they'll change it and wanted to end the conversation.. not! Poppa asked, Well, who are THEY? She said, well sir, it's not up to me. Then he said, Well, if you're not going to get off your ass, give me the phone number of THEY.

After several tries, he gets the supervisor who heard his story and poppa was assured the address will be changed ASAP. But not before he told the man, (who was smart enough not to get cocky with him,) that the clerk he spoke to needed to get a brain. And that she should not answer the phone there.

His agents were all listening to him and holding their heads He is 3 doors down the hall in his office and they heard him. When he told me the story, I said, You need to stop swearing at those people. He said, They need to start working and stop shirking off their responsibilities. They are paid to serve the GD public, and my swearing is less offensive than what they're doing. I don't give a GD what they think of me.

He's making friends, as we say here. :cuss:

Ah yep, he's a river to his people. :hat:

Poppa sounds about right. More people need to get back to demanding proper service, especially from people in the "service" industries. Times might be bad, and people might have less $$ to pass around, but each and every service ought to treat those people with respect and do the job needed to be done, so the people who DO have money will continue to put it in their coffers. Of course, the utility people probably don't concern themselves with that all that much. Each address is assigned a utility, and people don't have the option of saying, "I'm firing XYZ utility for poor service and am going to sign on with ABC!!"

[Amy]

I'm still working on it but here's nawny's latest painting. I love the Victorian umbrella ladies. It might end up in my dining room. This is my 3rd attempt at the right one for that room.. I'm not sure if I like it yet. :o

http://i31.tinypic.com/hx915l.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/344ry51.jpg

BEAUTIFUL!!!

I know that, as the artisian, (is that the right word? lol) you probably know every little flaw, every little mistroke of the brush, if there is one, but it looks downright perfect to me!!!!

[SaraSidle]

I make sure I have my keister in there to work every day I'm scheduled, even when I'm not liking my job so much. Everyday I tell myself, "At least YOU have a job in a time when you hear so many have lost theirs. Get yourself to work and act like you are pleased to be there!!!!"

It's evaluation time @ work. The supervisor gave me mine the other day, and the end result was "exceeds" altho there were a couple of places that only "met" expectations. So, I figure, if I keep my nose clean, my mouth shut, and show up to work every day, I am good for another year!!! lol The hardest part for me is to keep my mouth shut. I have opinions, and can be quite vocal about them, if you can believe that, lol. ;)

Amy please be careful for a while. at least until the finances of the country are in better shape. I have been without work for a long time. every job I apply for so do 2000 others. I was the big breadwinner at my house so I am not sure what is going to happen. I love my house and have been here 20 years. Know all my neighbors too. please cut down on the vocal cause when it comes down to it....bosses will look for anything and everything. evals will not matter. Showing up and getting along are 2 ways to keep it.
I was a little vocal but not much. my new boss just did not like me. poof gone. after 10 years. sorry to go on but I think everyone who is working should be careful. I do not want anyone in this situation ever. sara

[Amy]

Amy please be careful for a while. at least until the finances of the country are in better shape. I have been without work for a long time. every job I apply for so do 2000 others. I was the big breadwinner at my house so I am not sure what is going to happen. I love my house and have been here 20 years. Know all my neighbors too. please cut down on the vocal cause when it comes down to it....bosses will look for anything and everything. evals will not matter. Showing up and getting along are 2 ways to keep it.
I was a little vocal but not much. my new boss just did not like me. poof gone. after 10 years. sorry to go on but I think everyone who is working should be careful. I do not want anyone in this situation ever. sara

I really do try to watch my step, really. After being there forever (38 years this August 2) I know that no one is indespensible, that one can be gone in a heartbeat if the administration feels an infraction is serious enough.

Even in times when we are short of staff, and I mean REALLY, REALLY short of staff, there have been people who have been fired. Even those who have been there for some period of time.

I also realize that, every time the organization "restructures" that, if they are looking for people to let go, those in the highest wage bracket would be looked @ carefully, cuz we see in so many industries where the highest paid are let go or forced to "retire" cuz it is financially better to be paying the newbies.

I feel "safe" enough in the moment, but know I have to toe the line and behave myself to continue on. Performance and skills are really kind of a small part of the eval, anyway. Lots of emphasis on people skills, communication skills, and attendance @ meetings and participation on committees (most of which are useless wastes of time, most do not accomplish much, but to remain accredited, there are requirements to have committees to address various and sundry issues. Whether or not they are valid issues is in the eye of the beholder, but one must do what one must do to remain accredited!!!);)

[old_soul]

Duggard Family Press conference is on now (on HLN)

It was quick....if you missed it, I'm sure they will put it up again later, and HLN says they will also be putting up pics of the reunion of she, her girls and the family, later on.

[old_soul]

Amy please be careful for a while. at least until the finances of the country are in better shape. I have been without work for a long time. every job I apply for so do 2000 others. I was the big breadwinner at my house so I am not sure what is going to happen. I love my house and have been here 20 years. Know all my neighbors too. please cut down on the vocal cause when it comes down to it....bosses will look for anything and everything. evals will not matter. Showing up and getting along are 2 ways to keep it.
I was a little vocal but not much. my new boss just did not like me. poof gone. after 10 years. sorry to go on but I think everyone who is working should be careful. I do not want anyone in this situation ever. sara

You know, I was thinking, maybe the key to you finding work is not to search as thousands of others do..let it fall in your lap! By this, I mean I have gotten offers on my e mail and have seen ads by Google..they are looking, and have been, for people to work at home from their computers.

I don't know what it entails, but it might be something totally worth checking out...making money from home, the freedom to do what you need to (to make $) and the convenience of being on your puter! In your jammies, a cup of java, and you can pee whenever you need to! LOL!

'Google' Google............:) I laughed when I got the e mail..I'm the most computer illiterate person they could have sent it to! (mass mailings, I'm SURE)

[SaraSidle]

I really do try to watch my step, really. After being there forever (38 years this August 2) I know that no one is indespensible, that one can be gone in a heartbeat if the administration feels an infraction is serious enough.

Even in times when we are short of staff, and I mean REALLY, REALLY short of staff, there have been people who have been fired. Even those who have been there for some period of time.

I also realize that, every time the organization "restructures" that, if they are looking for people to let go, those in the highest wage bracket would be looked @ carefully, cuz we see in so many industries where the highest paid are let go or forced to "retire" cuz it is financially better to be paying the newbies.

I feel "safe" enough in the moment, but know I have to toe the line and behave myself to continue on. Performance and skills are really kind of a small part of the eval, anyway. Lots of emphasis on people skills, communication skills, and attendance @ meetings and participation on committees (most of which are useless wastes of time, most do not accomplish much, but to remain accredited, there are requirements to have committees to address various and sundry issues. Whether or not they are valid issues is in the eye of the beholder, but one must do what one must do to remain accredited!!!);)

I should have known you had it all together. You go girl. Everything is covered. you are right. I am glad and will not worry. LOL maybe you should run some groups counseling them how to keep their job. J/K sara

[beemer]

Not a problem!!! I don't know about the others, but I have been expecting you to keep us updated!!!!:seeya:

Just got a call Oppenheim -3 and finished the first round. Some missed putts on the front 9 that shoulda went in-not my words LOL Lots of golf yet to go and some who have not teed off yet. First place sitting at -7. Means nothing day 1. You dont wanna be leading day 1 or 2. Then the mental part gets to ya and most fall apart. Slow and steady :beer::D:beer: Thanks for asking. Golf channel not out today so they may film last coupla days so gotta make the cut tomorrow for sure:rose:

[SaraSidle]

You know, I was thinking, maybe the key to you finding work is not to search as thousands of others do..let it fall in your lap! By this, I mean I have gotten offers on my e mail and have seen ads by Google..they are looking, and have been, for people to work at home from their computers.

I don't know what it entails, but it might be something totally worth checking out...making money from home, the freedom to do what you need to (to make $) and the convenience of being on your puter! In your jammies, a cup of java, and you can pee whenever you need to! LOL!

'Google' Google............:) I laughed when I got the e mail..I'm the most computer illiterate person they could have sent it to! (mass mailings, I'm SURE)

that would be my favorite OS. but the ones that are advertised all want money up front to "start". I lost 200.00 and some people have lost up to 2000.00. I am getting a list of people who do employ for that however. good idea. A dream idea for me.........sara

[Nawny]

BEAUTIFUL!!!

I know that, as the artisian, (is that the right word? lol) you probably know every little flaw, every little mistroke of the brush, if there is one, but it looks downright perfect to me!!!!

Yeah? You like? :o

You are right, I see many things wrong with it. For one, her pinafore is crooked and needs highlights. Her face needs some work, she should be smiling more and the little girl's hand needs a bit of basket handle showing more. I'm working on it. Thank you Amy, you're so kind. :)


I thought the paint fairy would fix it when I slept, but she didn't show
up for work last night. I'm gonna tell poppa on her! ;)

[beemer]

Nawny it is beautiful. You are just doing what every artist does-critique your own work :rose:

[samanthajane13]

party in the lounge!!!

[Gatordog]

Hi Deacon :seeya:

I thought of you in your safety field when I read this and saw the pics. A competitor of my company's was transporting a turbine from NY to India. It made it to India and was on a 128 wheel truck with 14 people on board. The bridge collapsed, the turbine is in the river and four people are dead. No one at who was in charge of logistics ever checked to find out if the bridge could support the weight of the truck, people and turbine.

gator

[Gatordog]

Uh-oh, but they've heard of you, Amy! http://i16.tinypic.com/4htl3wx.jpg

Hi BoB. My favorite tee shirt ever was given to me by my mom on her last visit to PR. It had a picture of the Chuppacabra. I wore that thing to death. I miss it. I must tell my aunt to send me another one.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Ah, Amy, you just brought back a memory! When my grandfather was cut off by a bad driver or some such shenanigans, he would yell about them being an "Okie from Fenokie!"...I still have no idea why that was insulting...but based on the context, it was the worst thing he could say in my grandmother's presence...

Was that your grandpa from NY? Because (Shadydaisy look the other way), when I lived in NY we'd always yell "Ya Jersey Driver!". New Yorkers don't think that people from New Jersey know how to drive, I mean, no left turn?

Gator

[Gatordog]

Oh yes deac! My pet peeve has just been activated by reading your post. Poppa comes home every night with a shocking (to him) story about incompetency in the work world. It is getting worse daily. The more he asks to speak to someone with a brain, the more he knows they are fewer and fewer.

Example. At his agency he offers Bill Paying. (Utilities) THis is a convenience in the south part of Providence RI because it is a poor area and many do not drive or have check books etc..


One client came in yesterday for insurance and told poppa he called the utility company for the address of a local bill paying service and got the name of his agency. Poppa was formally located on a street named, Broad St, while waiting for his tenant to leave his building on Elmwood. The clerk gave the man the street name to pay his utility bills as, Broadway, which is a street 3 miles away. The poor guy reported searching Broadway, couldn't find it, and it was coincidence that he found utility payments accepted at the insurance office.

Well, needless to say (if you know poppa) he went off like a rocket. He called the utility people and told them to stop doing that to people and give the correct address. The clerk said, oh, they'll change it and wanted to end the conversation.. not! Poppa asked, Well, who are THEY? She said, well sir, it's not up to me. Then he said, Well, if you're not going to get off your ass, give me the phone number of THEY.

After several tries, he gets the supervisor who heard his story and poppa was assured the address will be changed ASAP. But not before he told the man, (who was smart enough not to get cocky with him,) that the clerk he spoke to needed to get a brain. And that she should not answer the phone there.

His agents were all listening to him and holding their heads He is 3 doors down the hall in his office and they heard him. When he told me the story, I said, You need to stop swearing at those people. He said, They need to start working and stop shirking off their responsibilities. They are paid to serve the GD public, and my swearing is less offensive than what they're doing. I don't give a GD what they think of me.

He's making friends, as we say here. :cuss:

Ah yep, he's a river to his people. :hat:

Ah, Poppa stories always crack me upl :D

gator

[shadydaisy]

Was that your grandpa from NY? Because (Shadydaisy look the other way), when I lived in NY we'd always yell "Ya Jersey Driver!". New Yorkers don't think that people from New Jersey know how to drive, I mean, no left turn?

Gator

No worries! I live in Western NJ - I complain about both PA and NJ drivers! Yes, we have no left turn.

[Gatordog]

Amy please be careful for a while. at least until the finances of the country are in better shape. I have been without work for a long time. every job I apply for so do 2000 others. I was the big breadwinner at my house so I am not sure what is going to happen. I love my house and have been here 20 years. Know all my neighbors too. please cut down on the vocal cause when it comes down to it....bosses will look for anything and everything. evals will not matter. Showing up and getting along are 2 ways to keep it.
I was a little vocal but not much. my new boss just did not like me. poof gone. after 10 years. sorry to go on but I think everyone who is working should be careful. I do not want anyone in this situation ever. sara

Sara,

Have you thought about working in a temp agency for a while? That's how my company hires most of its non-engineering employees. Sort of gives them a test run. I been here almost 23 years now and that's how I started.

[Gatordog]

party in the lounge!!!

You did a beautiful job. The food looks wonderful and the music is perfect. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink020.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink043.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance012.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Having a great time!

[beemer]

We as Canadians can and always have been able to make a right hand turn on a red light when the coast is clear. Some states have it and some only at specific lights. I cant remember if some states still dont have it at all:shrug: I've always just done it:D

[samanthajane13]

Thanks, Gator!!!

[beemer]

You are one heck of a party planner Sam :beer: I have to work 4-12 today so i hope there are some late night partyers when i get home:shrug: And remember all hands off Jon Bon Jovi :no::D

[samanthajane13]

I'm sure we'll still be partying!!!

The music is getting started!!!

[BeastofBears]

that would be my favorite OS. but the ones that are advertised all want money up front to "start". I lost 200.00 and some people have lost up to 2000.00. I am getting a list of people who do employ for that however. good idea. A dream idea for me.........sara

And once you get that list, google them all, and then google them by their address alone. Some fraudulent ones change their name but not their address. (oops, one corporation is defunct, now we start another one!). That may help you weed out any that might be not good.

good luck!

[BeastofBears]

Sara,

Have you thought about working in a temp agency for a while? That's how my company hires most of its non-engineering employees. Sort of gives them a test run. I been here almost 23 years now and that's how I started.

That is a really good idea! I have a friend who went that route, was often offered permanent positions, but she decided she liked the variety of temping.

[BeastofBears]

We as Canadians can and always have been able to make a right hand turn on a red light when the coast is clear. Some states have it and some only at specific lights. I cant remember if some states still dont have it at all:shrug: I've always just done it:D

We have free rights in California, and were always warned some states don't allow that, but don't know which? When I drive out of state, I just don't do it just in case.

[BeastofBears]

Just don't want to make it too close to where we buried Shana. Not a sister, but a lovely black lab. We buried her there 19+ years ago, traveling 90 miles to do so. Tho't we'd put her where we all call "home." No matter where any of us moved, Shana would be "with family." As we were moving the folks' stuff out of their house last week, it dawned on us--strangers might be living there. And there is the probablity that the place will be razed, and her grave be plowed over.

Oh, well, she is in our hearts, it's only a toy box w/a favorite blanket there in the ground. We have pictures to warm the cockles of our hearts. That's all we really need.

But, I digress. I am sure the cesspool will be an easy dig. And about the right environment for the likes of them.:flamemad:

You want to hear a confession? We have our beloved lab Siggy still in a box, unburied, because I don't want to bury him in his backyard, and then sell the house, and have someone landscape and disturb him :( So he's hidden in a cupboard. I just don't know what to do. I thought of putting his ashes in the base of a birdbath or something and pouring concrete in, then we could take it with us...do you think that 's a good idea? Or weird and we should just bury him in his backyard?

[SaraSidle]

Sara,

Have you thought about working in a temp agency for a while? That's how my company hires most of its non-engineering employees. Sort of gives them a test run. I been here almost 23 years now and that's how I started.

gator the last one I had was through a temp. I just loved it. All of our temps have closed up. they said that they had to many unemployed and not enough jobs. the one building is on my street and there is a for rent sign on it. gotta love it. I am still pushing for OS suggestion of working at home. thanks for the suggestion. I appreciate all suggestions. sara

[deacon]

Oh yes deac! My pet peeve has just been activated by reading your post. Poppa comes home every night with a shocking (to him) story about incompetency in the work world. It is getting worse daily. The more he asks to speak to someone with a brain, the more he knows they are fewer and fewer.

Example. At his agency he offers Bill Paying. (Utilities) THis is a convenience in the south part of Providence RI because it is a poor area and many do not drive or have check books etc..


One client came in yesterday for insurance and told poppa he called the utility company for the address of a local bill paying service and got the name of his agency. Poppa was formally located on a street named, Broad St, while waiting for his tenant to leave his building on Elmwood. The clerk gave the man the street name to pay his utility bills as, Broadway, which is a street 3 miles away. The poor guy reported searching Broadway, couldn't find it, and it was coincidence that he found utility payments accepted at the insurance office.

Well, needless to say (if you know poppa) he went off like a rocket. He called the utility people and told them to stop doing that to people and give the correct address. The clerk said, oh, they'll change it and wanted to end the conversation.. not! Poppa asked, Well, who are THEY? She said, well sir, it's not up to me. Then he said, Well, if you're not going to get off your ass, give me the phone number of THEY.

After several tries, he gets the supervisor who heard his story and poppa was assured the address will be changed ASAP. But not before he told the man, (who was smart enough not to get cocky with him,) that the clerk he spoke to needed to get a brain. And that she should not answer the phone there.

His agents were all listening to him and holding their heads He is 3 doors down the hall in his office and they heard him. When he told me the story, I said, You need to stop swearing at those people. He said, They need to start working and stop shirking off their responsibilities. They are paid to serve the GD public, and my swearing is less offensive than what they're doing. I don't give a GD what they think of me.

He's making friends, as we say here. :cuss:

Ah yep, he's a river to his people. :hat:

Ah yes, winning friends and infuencing people.:biggrin:

[deacon]

I'm still working on it but here's nawny's latest painting. I love the Victorian umbrella ladies. It might end up in my dining room. This is my 3rd attempt at the right one for that room.. I'm not sure if I like it yet. :o

http://i31.tinypic.com/hx915l.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/344ry51.jpg

Extremely good.

[SaraSidle]

You want to hear a confession? We have our beloved lab Siggy still in a box, unburied, because I don't want to bury him in his backyard, and then sell the house, and have someone landscape and disturb him :( So he's hidden in a cupboard. I just don't know what to do. I thought of putting his ashes in the base of a birdbath or something and pouring concrete in, then we could take it with us...do you think that 's a good idea? Or weird and we should just bury him in his backyard?

I can top that. I had my brother's ashes for 5 years while I waited for my dad to pass. then we buried his and dad's ashes with Mom in a sand dune we all loved and used to live by. It is in my town still and I can drive down the street and wave hi to them. Truthfully BOB there is no time limit. I used to yak at my brother in a box all the time. You will find the place.
My family had a wonderful sense of humor so please do not take this the wrong way. I think it is cool Like me. their waiting for me. LOL :cool:

[SaraSidle]

And once you get that list, google them all, and then google them by their address alone. Some fraudulent ones change their name but not their address. (oops, one corporation is defunct, now we start another one!). That may help you weed out any that might be not good.

good luck!

thank you I will I love google.

[deacon]

Hi Deacon :seeya:

I thought of you in your safety field when I read this and saw the pics. A competitor of my company's was transporting a turbine from NY to India. It made it to India and was on a 128 wheel truck with 14 people on board. The bridge collapsed, the turbine is in the river and four people are dead. No one at who was in charge of logistics ever checked to find out if the bridge could support the weight of the truck, people and turbine.

gator

Sorry, Duh. The general contractor here is bringing in a turbine and has been planning the route for almost 6 months. They have involved the state and everybody.

It comes down to when you do your thinking. Is it think,do or is it do,think? I prefer to think, do myself. So many of these tragedies could have been avoided if people would put the think in front of the do.

[Nawny]

Nawny it is beautiful. You are just doing what every artist does-critique your own work :rose:

That's true.. I may like one out of a hundred of my paintings. I just paint and leave the family to tell me if it's good. But they lie to me. But I can read their eyes. LOL! I'm not in love with this one. I went to Home Goods ( a big home store) today and saw so many nice paintings and wondered why I put people in mine. I'm not a good people painter. Hmmmmm I might bury those two. ;)
Thank you though, Bree.

It's supper time! Roast chicken, the easiest meal to make.. Poppa's home!!!
His car just pulled up! :chicken: I have to act like I worked hard today!

[SaraSidle]

That's true.. I may like one out of a hundred of my paintings. I just paint and leave the family to tell me if it's good. But they lie to me. But I can read their eyes. LOL! I'm not in love with this one. I went to Home Goods ( a big home store) today and saw so many nice paintings and wondered why I put people in mine. I'm not a good people painter. Hmmmmm I might bury those two. ;)
Thank you though, Bree.

It's supper time! Roast chicken, the easiest meal to make.. Poppa's home!!!
His car just pulled up! :chicken: I have to act like I worked hard today!

no burying. would go perfect in my living room. I accent LR with yellow and purple. I love it. I love the umbrella- looks like a hollyhock. check out my post in the lounge please. LOL

[old_soul]

Just came back from the Lounge! Where's wags?!

You people are WILD!!

:beer:

[SaraSidle]

Just came back from the Lounge! Where's wags?!

You people are WILD!!

:beer:

I do not know. sam and I sent her emails already..this am. sara

[DrewBerry]

Nawny it is beautiful. You are just doing what every artist does-critique your own work :rose:

Nawny, thank you for sharing your latest painting! It is simply beautiful, as Beemers said. I LOVE the Victorian ladies with umbrellas as well. Wish I had your talent. Be proud, my friend! :beer:
:seeya:
DrewB

[Nawny]

no burying. would go perfect in my living room. I accent LR with yellow and purple. I love it. I love the umbrella- looks like a hollyhock. check out my post in the lounge please. LOL

Hollycock, yeah! I'd mail it to you sara but it's too huge to send via the PO. This canvas is almost 4 feet wide.

I'll paint one for you anytime! I always give them away to my art lovers. I never sold a painting. I refuse to take anything for doing what I enjoy so much! Tell me what you like and I'll paint it for you. I'll paint anything that stands still long enough. :-)

[Nawny]

Ah yes, winning friends and infuencing people.:biggrin:

LMAO! Yes sir! It wasn't too bad yesterday but I really get nervous when he calls one of them a dizzy b!tch! If I'm nearby I whack him in the arm. His agents get all nervous when I tell poppa how many beans make five. They can't believe I get away with it.

Who's the boss? Nawnyyyyy!

:beer:

[Nawny]

Nawny, thank you for sharing your latest painting! It is simply beautiful, as Beemers said. I LOVE the Victorian ladies with umbrellas as well. Wish I had your talent. Be proud, my friend! :beer:
:seeya:
DrewB


Aww shucks DrewB.. thank you.

[Nawny]

Extremely good.

Thank you deac! :)

[Nawny]

You want to hear a confession? We have our beloved lab Siggy still in a box, unburied, because I don't want to bury him in his backyard, and then sell the house, and have someone landscape and disturb him :( So he's hidden in a cupboard. I just don't know what to do. I thought of putting his ashes in the base of a birdbath or something and pouring concrete in, then we could take it with us...do you think that 's a good idea? Or weird and we should just bury him in his backyard?

We had that experience. One of ours, a chow named Buddy, died at age 13 and we buried him in the side yard in a wooded area. After we sold the house we felt pretty upset about it. We still do if we talk about him. We should have put his ashes in the ocean and let his body go back to the earth that way. That would have been beautiful.

He's romping near the rainbow bridge now, doesn't need his body that he used for earth. He adored Poppa because he rescued him from an abandoned car lot next to his office building. He used chain cutters to get him and he lived with us for many years. He was red. Beautiful temperament. (For a chow) My friends and neighbors used to wish they lived in his shoes, he ate better than most people. Poppa spoils the piss out of dogs.

[BeastofBears]

Sorry, Duh. The general contractor here is bringing in a turbine and has been planning the route for almost 6 months. They have involved the state and everybody.

It comes down to when you do your thinking. Is it think,do or is it do,think? I prefer to think, do myself. So many of these tragedies could have been avoided if people would put the think in front of the do.

That kind of stinkin' thinkin' stands in the way of Progress, deacon.


Just kidding! Life is so much easier with planning. And safer, of course.

[BeastofBears]

We had that experience. One of ours, a chow named Buddy, died at age 13 and we buried him in the side yard in a wooded area. After we sold the house we felt pretty upset about it. We still do if we talk about him. We should have put his ashes in the ocean and let his body go back to the earth that way. That would have been beautiful.

He's romping near the rainbow bridge now, doesn't need his body that he used for earth. He adored Poppa because he rescued him from an abandoned car lot next to his office building. He used chain cutters to get him and he lived with us for many years. He was red. Beautiful temperament. (For a chow) My friends and neighbors used to wish they lived in his shoes, he ate better than most people. Poppa spoils the piss out of dogs.

But then we'd have to see his ashes...

and then there's my grandmother and uncle hidden in my mother's dining room hutch. She refuses to do anything about them. Like it makes them still alive or something. She wouldn't put a marker on my dad's grave either...freaked out when she visited and there was one. His brother put it in, thought maybe she couldn't afford it.

At this point, I figure just wait and put everybody together some day. Is that legal? aaargh.

[BeastofBears]

I liked the painting when I first saw it, Nawny. Now after looking it over and considering your comments for a while, I decided I like it even more than I did at first. I think lavender and yellow are very peaceful and nurturing colors. There is also something about the angle the flowers bloom that is very effective, almost as if they flow from the woman and child.

If I could be so bold, I think you should do a floating type frame, if you choose to frame it, because otherwise you will lose that tiny bit of grasses and sky just above the pair. But it would look fine simply hung unframed on the wall.

[Nawny]

But then we'd have to see his ashes...

and then there's my grandmother and uncle hidden in my mother's dining room hutch. She refuses to do anything about them. Like it makes them still alive or something. She wouldn't put a marker on my dad's grave either...freaked out when she visited and there was one. His brother put it in, thought maybe she couldn't afford it.

At this point, I figure just wait and put everybody together some day. Is that legal? aaargh.

Stop it, you're making me laugh and I don't think I should laugh. :punch: It's all good dolly face. You've been conditioned. Leave the pup where he is. All in good time, he will be where he is supposed to be. Carry on!

Love
Nawn
Go back to the party. Did you see that FOOOOOOOD!!!!!?? Live and let eat!

[BeastofBears]

Stop it, you're making me laugh and I don't think I should laugh. :punch: It's all good dolly face. You've been conditioned. Leave the pup where he is. All in good time, he will be where he is supposed to be. Carry on!

Love
Nawn
Go back to the party. Did you see that FOOOOOOOD!!!!!?? Live and let eat!

I'm losing weight. It's hard to look at it all. I'm down 5 pounds in 2 weeks. yaah me.

[Nawny]

I liked the painting when I first saw it, Nawny. Now after looking it over and considering your comments for a while, I decided I like it even more than I did at first. I think lavender and yellow are very peaceful and nurturing colors. There is also something about the angle the flowers bloom that is very effective, almost as if they flow from the woman and child.

If I could be so bold, I think you should do a floating type frame, if you choose to frame it, because otherwise you will lose that tiny bit of grasses and sky just above the pair. But it would look fine simply hung unframed on the wall.

Thank you BoB! Pisces, you are an artist too, you know that. Right? It's inate. I don't understand art. I'm a savant, for sure. ;) It just happens. Same with piano, can't read a single note, but I make music. Same with writing, however, I need extreme help with that. I pick brains for everything else though and I cannot, I repeat, CANNOT work for poppa at the insurance office I don't understand the process. Nor do I care to. I have huge urges to file like I do at home. Okay, Hmmm, Jose Beaz goes under W, for Wannabe attorney.

He fires me and I quit monthly. :chicken:

[Nawny]

I'm losing weight. It's hard to look at it all. I'm down 5 pounds in 2 weeks. yaah me.

WOW! That's great! Coincidentally, I'm behaving myself with the food lately too. I actually dusted off the treadmill yesterday and did ten minutes. I ate mini wheats for supper tonight and tomato salad. Eww, that's sounds terrible, but I was good. I ate cereal for supper last night too. Special K. I need to learn more about that Mediterranean diet Gator is on. I love Mediterranean stuff. I haven't gone near a scale in months. I'm afraid. :eek: Food is a drug for me. I'll do cocaine when I'm older and can handle it. ;)

[BeastofBears]

Thank you BoB! Pisces, you are an artist too, you know that. Right? It's inate. I don't understand art. I'm a savant, for sure. ;) It just happens. Same with piano, can't read a single note, but I make music. Same with writing, however, I need extreme help with that. I pick brains for everything else though and I cannot, I repeat, CANNOT work for poppa at the insurance office I don't understand the process. Nor do I care to. I have huge urges to file like I do at home. Okay, Hmmm, Jose Beaz goes under W, for Wannabe attorney.

He fires me and I quit monthly. :chicken:

I have painted, too, so I know how hard it is, and so am doubly impressed with your work! I stopped for now, too many toxins in the paint.

[BeastofBears]

WOW! That's great! Coincidentally, I'm behaving myself with the food lately too. I actually dusted off the treadmill yesterday and did ten minutes. I ate mini wheats for supper tonight and tomato salad. Eww, that's sounds terrible, but I was good. I ate cereal for supper last night too. Special K. I need to learn more about that Mediterranean diet Gator is on. I love Mediterranean stuff. I haven't gone near a scale in months. I'm afraid. :eek: Food is a drug for me. I'll do cocaine when I'm older and can handle it. ;)

Go to livestrong.com it's a site Lance Armstrong is associated with. They have lots of links about the Mediterranean diet-I'm really impressed! (you can also track your food and stuff there. It is like an OCD sufferers dream!)

And, yeah, either crack or crank is a weight loss option. Ruins the skin, though, lol!

[Nawny]

I have painted, too, so I know how hard it is, and so am doubly impressed with your work! I stopped for now, too many toxins in the paint.

Oh? Talk to me. :confused: There has to be an alternative. No? Yes?

[Nawny]

Go to livestrong.com it's a site Lance Armstrong is associated with. They have lots of links about the Mediterranean diet-I'm really impressed! (you can also track your food and stuff there. It is like an OCD sufferers dream!)

And, yeah, either crack or crank is a weight loss option. Ruins the skin, though, lol!

Laughing my head off! LOL!

I have tried those kinds of OCD sites. I'm too undisciplined. I'm a free spirit OCD'er and probably dyslexic. I keep forgetting which side I'm on.

But at the end of the day, I know (because I'm old and learned) that if I want to lose 10 pounds, all I have to do is stop doing what I do that makes me gain weight. It's so simple. I can cook chicken soup or fried chicken. I can order baked fish no fries instead of Fish& Chips, and I can eat a small amount of pasta and a lite antipasto, instead of gorging my face with 2 heaping dishes of spaghetti with melted cheese. See? It's just no fun. :(

You have a better excuse than I do. You have a couple of little weebs. You'll take it all off. I had 4 and it all came off after a couple of years. When I was 26 I had my 4th baby and by age 31, I was back in a size 5. It melts because they work the fat right off. When they are teens, it melts more. Trust me. Then when you reach menopause, it comes back.

I never knew how to diet, I'm learning now. It's amazing.

LOL! I luv ya BoB!

[Nawny]

I went to that site BoB! I'm going to order this Acai berry.
Thanks,
Nawny

[BeastofBears]

[/B]

Oh? Talk to me. :confused: There has to be an alternative. No? Yes?

Well, for example, some reds have cadmiums in them, there's turpentine, I don't remember all the details...I've heard acrylics are far less toxic than oils, I used oil. I stopped way back when we started thinking about a baby.

[BeastofBears]

I went to that site BoB! I'm going to order this Acai berry.
Thanks,
Nawny

Go ahead and order the Magic Plant-of-the-Week, but don't forget to chase weebles even more and eat less, lol!

My magic trick is chromium picolinate...

good luck. I'm hungry and cranky :cuss: My poor hubby.

[SaraSidle]

Go ahead and order the Magic Plant-of-the-Week, but don't forget to chase weebles even more and eat less, lol!

My magic trick is chromium picolinate...

good luck. I'm hungry and cranky :cuss: My poor hubby.

does your trick work?

[lighthousedazy]

I went to that site BoB! I'm going to order this Acai berry.
Thanks,
Nawny
Nawny, you can get that Acai berry stuff at Walmart for less than 10 dollars. I know , I bought some but havent tried it yet.

[lighthousedazy]

The best stuff was the phenylprolamine. It is the best decongestant and also the best appetite suppresant, but it was taken off the market because some idiots were abusing it. good night and jmo :)

[Nawny]

Well, for example, some reds have cadmiums in them, there's turpentine, I don't remember all the details...I've heard acrylics are far less toxic than oils, I used oil. I stopped way back when we started thinking about a baby.

Ya know you are making me think. For many years I've suffered with bad headaches. I've been the gamut of possible cures, from Acupuncture, Ibu, Bayer, and every over the counter product they sell. I've been to the ear doctor, eye doctor, dentist, and recently had a brain scan. (which was within normal range, but showed two spots conducive to migraines) Sometimes the headaches were debilitating to the point of tears. I never once thought of the paint. And, to make it worse, my weebles are set up in the studio with their own easels. Thank you BoB. I have to go read up on this. (The weebs don't use my paint, they use the kiddie water paints)

Being 59 which is young by today's standards, I've also been noticing forgetfulness. Could that be the paint? Hmmm, maybe that's what drove van gogh nuts.

I don't get his art :confused: I wouldn't hang his paintings in someone elses house. :hat: I know, I know.. lol! His paintings scare me. I told you I don't understand art. :shrug:

[Nawny]

Nawny, you can get that Acai berry stuff at Walmart for less than 10 dollars. I know , I bought some but haven't tried it yet.

Thank you LHD! :) I read up on it last night and it claims it is an very strong antioxidant. People are starting to get it, re: the herbs. SO many Dr's are over medicating people. It's incredible! Two people have told me recently that their doctors suggested Fish Oil for high cholesterol. I was so glad to hear that. It is also great for arthritis. I started taking it a couple of winters ago and it works. Poppa is very well read on the subject of herbs. My kids say he's going to die of nothing. ;)

There is a very good antioxidant called IP6. Created by a scientist in Japan, this herb is said to cure cancer. I know I've told the story of the guy in Florida that Poppa helped with this. The claim is that cancer cannot live in Alkaline conditions and this IP6 fixes that. So if Acai berry is claiming to be a strong anti oxidant, then IP6 has to be just as effective. :shrug: I take it every day because my family is loaded with cancer problems. (Including myself. I had surgery on both boobs.)

I'll go read more on the acai. Thank you!

PS: We buy all our herbs online very cheap. Lot's of two forms. When I finish my coffee, I'll remember the name of the site. LOL! My brain is in the coffee.

Ooops! I remembered, We buy herbs through Swanson.com.

Thanks again.

[Nawny]

does your trick work?

They say it does sara. The thing that makes me laugh is, with all diet supplement herbs, there is always this message in small print that tells you to eata low fat diet and exercise. Magic pill! Someone must invent that magic pill! Ya know even in our recession here, diet commercials are all the rage. There is always some study going on where they promise you that you don't have to change any of your eating habits and you will lose weight with this product or that product. They even came out with a newer, safer kind of lipo (sorta) suction where they use a laser wire that burns off the fat in the gut area.

My Daughter told me about it and all I could imagine is, they might laser a kidney or a main artery and say, whoops. It's a new procedure so they don't have enough after effect info on it. I know 2 people who had the old kind of lipo done. Their stomachs are flat but they are gaining weight everywhere else. It's said that they won't gain weight where the lipo was done.

:shrug:

[Amy]

You know, I was thinking, maybe the key to you finding work is not to search as thousands of others do..let it fall in your lap! By this, I mean I have gotten offers on my e mail and have seen ads by Google..they are looking, and have been, for people to work at home from their computers.

I don't know what it entails, but it might be something totally worth checking out...making money from home, the freedom to do what you need to (to make $) and the convenience of being on your puter! In your jammies, a cup of java, and you can pee whenever you need to! LOL!

'Google' Google............:) I laughed when I got the e mail..I'm the most computer illiterate person they could have sent it to! (mass mailings, I'm SURE)

The trouble with that is, you can be taken for a ride. I think most of the offers are not as on the up and up. I know there are some folks who can make money from home, but you have to be careful, for sure.

[Amy]

No worries! I live in Western NJ - I complain about both PA and NJ drivers! Yes, we have no left turn.

:eek: How do you all get anywhere if you just keep turning right? Sounds like going in circles to me, lol!!!

I do confess that I will go out of my way to get to a street with traffic lights to avoid having to make a left hand turn on a street that carries much traffic. Seems my sisters and DD do that also!!!! We are from very, very small town America (not a traffic light in town!!!) so the "big city" driving can cause us some anxieties!!! lol

[Amy]

We as Canadians can and always have been able to make a right hand turn on a red light when the coast is clear. Some states have it and some only at specific lights. I cant remember if some states still dont have it at all:shrug: I've always just done it:D

In my part of the world, right on red is permissible unless there is a sign saying you can't. Some people don't seem to care for that particular sign, tho, and tend to ignore it. :chicken:

[Amy]

You want to hear a confession? We have our beloved lab Siggy still in a box, unburied, because I don't want to bury him in his backyard, and then sell the house, and have someone landscape and disturb him :( So he's hidden in a cupboard. I just don't know what to do. I thought of putting his ashes in the base of a birdbath or something and pouring concrete in, then we could take it with us...do you think that 's a good idea? Or weird and we should just bury him in his backyard?

I don't know how portable bird baths with concrete in them are, but it sounds like a good idea.

I know, 20 years ago, we never dreamed of the folks' place not being "home" @ some point. Altho, we should have figured, they had moved from my actual childhood home about 40 years ago. I guess, we just always figured it would remain in the family.

[Nawny]

The trouble with that is, you can be taken for a ride. I think most of the offers are not as on the up and up. I know there are some folks who can make money from home, but you have to be careful, for sure.

It would be ideal if sara can get to work from home. I'm praying for you sara. Try craigslist. They have classifieds. Or disability! You can tell them you've been afflicted with CLA. Crime Library Addiction. I have it and I want to be compensated. ;) I have the twitch that goes with it!

There's no cure, but the parties are fun! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-bounce018.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Tonight is a full moon! Can we have a Full Moon party? :punch:

[Nawny]

:eek: How do you all get anywhere if you just keep turning right? Sounds like going in circles to me, lol!!!

I do confess that I will go out of my way to get to a street with traffic lights to avoid having to make a left hand turn on a street that carries much traffic. Seems my sisters and DD do that also!!!! We are from very, very small town America (not a traffic light in town!!!) so the "big city" driving can cause us some anxieties!!! lol

Amy your world sounds so nice. I love mall towns. We have a few here but not too many can afford to live in them. Newport, Wickford, and some others near the shore are so pleasant and quaint New England towns that I love. But I'm a city girl. I learned to drive in Bridgeport Conn, near NY. I think I've mentioned that RI drivers were voted the worst in the country. Going to Boston is life threatening! They use their bliner lights. Sometimes.

If you need o change lanes and do use your blinker, that is the signal for the A holes in the lane next to you, to speed up. Yesterday poppa was driving in the far right lane and a woman was speeding in the breakdown lane. She passed him and drove on an angle into the far left lane, almost killing a few people. While telling his story, he referred to her as a "Dizzy B!tch" (As usual)

[shadydaisy]

You want to hear a confession? We have our beloved lab Siggy still in a box, unburied, because I don't want to bury him in his backyard, and then sell the house, and have someone landscape and disturb him :( So he's hidden in a cupboard. I just don't know what to do. I thought of putting his ashes in the base of a birdbath or something and pouring concrete in, then we could take it with us...do you think that 's a good idea? Or weird and we should just bury him in his backyard?

OMG - you sound like me! As some of you know, DH is a vet. We usually have 5 dogs at a time. We are currently holding at 3. Anyway, we have gone through a lot of dogs over the years. DH has "his" dogs cremated, but does not get the ashes returned to him. I, on the other hand, have "my" special dog's ashes returned to me. I have 5 urns in the dining room hutch. I, too, can't decide what to do with them. I am thinking of making my own concrete pedestal and placing them all in there. I know how to do concrete and can get what I need at Home Depot. I could put my statue of St. Francis on the pedestal and when I eventually move I can take them with me.

:eek: How do you all get anywhere if you just keep turning right? Sounds like going in circles to me, lol!!!
I do confess that I will go out of my way to get to a street with traffic lights to avoid having to make a left hand turn on a street that carries much traffic. Seems my sisters and DD do that also!!!! We are from very, very small town America (not a traffic light in town!!!) so the "big city" driving can cause us some anxieties!!! lol

We have jug handles. You make a right, another right, and finally a left at the light or cross street. Some left you make a right and go directly to the light or cross street, omitting the 2nd right. There is no rhyme or reason. Sometimes you have to merge, sometimes you get your own lane, sometimes there is a traffic light. We have circles, too. They are beyond explanation.

Nawny - I love the painting! I am artistically challenged - I have trouble putting nail polish on.

[Nawny]

http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/horoscopes/horoscopes-by-holiday.html

It's a full moon day! Have fun and Amy, you know how it goes in hospitals on a full moon night. Enjoy the full moon in Pisces. There is always laughter. And of course, dreams.

:)

[Nawny]

OMG - you sound like me! As some of you know, DH is a vet. We usually have 5 dogs at a time. We are currently holding at 3. Anyway, we have gone through a lot of dogs over the years. DH has "his" dogs cremated, but does not get the ashes returned to him. I, on the other hand, have "my" special dog's ashes returned to me. I have 5 urns in the dining room hutch. I, too, can't decide what to do with them. I am thinking of making my own concrete pedestal and placing them all in there. I know how to do concrete and can get what I need at Home Depot. I could put my statue of St. Francis on the pedestal and when I eventually move I can take them with me.



We have jug handles. You make a right, another right, and finally a left at the light or cross street. Some left you make a right and go directly to the light or cross street, omitting the 2nd right. There is no rhyme or reason. Sometimes you have to merge, sometimes you get your own lane, sometimes there is a traffic light. We have circles, too. They are beyond explanation.

I've known that kind of engineering in Conn. Not here. It's always a square. You end up where you started the first turn.

Nawny - I love the painting! I am artistically challenged - I have trouble putting nail polish on.

Thank you Shady. It's great to get a review. It also helps to see it on the monitor. I can see the problems with it much better. This one is so big and when I look at it in the paint room, I can't get a clear view. Sometimes I squint my eyes deliberately and it looks better. :confused:

[BeastofBears]

does your trick work?

Actually, for me and a friend it does. Chromium has been shown to have an effect on blood sugar levels (which is why there is a warning for diabetics to NOT take it on the bottle). I have found that I lose weight slightly faster and gain muscle faster when I take supplements. I think it only helps those who are chromium deficient, which must be me. It's nothing dramatic, no 10 pounds a week, but it helps me. Could even be a placebo effect...but I'll take that!

disclaimer: not a medical professional here, and not giving advice!

[BeastofBears]

Ya know you are making me think. For many years I've suffered with bad headaches. I've been the gamut of possible cures, from Acupuncture, Ibu, Bayer, and every over the counter product they sell. I've been to the ear doctor, eye doctor, dentist, and recently had a brain scan. (which was within normal range, but showed two spots conducive to migraines) Sometimes the headaches were debilitating to the point of tears. I never once thought of the paint. And, to make it worse, my weebles are set up in the studio with their own easels. Thank you BoB. I have to go read up on this. (The weebs don't use my paint, they use the kiddie water paints)

Being 59 which is young by today's standards, I've also been noticing forgetfulness. Could that be the paint? Hmmm, maybe that's what drove van gogh nuts.

I don't get his art :confused: I wouldn't hang his paintings in someone elses house. :hat: I know, I know.. lol! His paintings scare me. I told you I don't understand art. :shrug:

Hey, careful on yourself, Nawny! I actually have known oil painters who have had similar symptoms! I myself got headaches when I was doing a lot of painting. It is worth checking out maybe. And paint in a ventilated space! And I use to blend with my fingers and clean it off with turpentine. Do not be me, lol!

Here's a site that artists have listed out their ways to make their work safer for themselves: http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/arthazards/health.html

[Nawny]

Actually, for me and a friend it does. Chromium has been shown to have an effect on blood sugar levels (which is why there is a warning for diabetics to NOT take it on the bottle). I have found that I lose weight slightly faster and gain muscle faster when I take supplements. I think it only helps those who are chromium deficient, which must be me. It's nothing dramatic, no 10 pounds a week, but it helps me. Could even be a placebo effect...but I'll take that!

disclaimer: not a medical professional here, and not giving advice!

You're a smart young lady. :beer:

Now perhaps you can tell me how to get going this fine morning. I have 2 bathrooms to bleach out and a coupla loads of laundry to do.. and then there's that nasty dust thing going on and a floor or two to vacuum and some curtains to hang and some pictures to hang, and of course there is always the dishwasher to empty and and and ...

I think I'll read that new book I bought yesterday. It's called BLINK, by Malcolm Gladwell. Thanks for your help BoB! ;)

[BeastofBears]

They say it does sara. The thing that makes me laugh is, with all diet supplement herbs, there is always this message in small print that tells you to eata low fat diet and exercise. Magic pill! Someone must invent that magic pill! Ya know even in our recession here, diet commercials are all the rage. There is always some study going on where they promise you that you don't have to change any of your eating habits and you will lose weight with this product or that product. They even came out with a newer, safer kind of lipo (sorta) suction where they use a laser wire that burns off the fat in the gut area.

My Daughter told me about it and all I could imagine is, they might laser a kidney or a main artery and say, whoops. It's a new procedure so they don't have enough after effect info on it. I know 2 people who had the old kind of lipo done. Their stomachs are flat but they are gaining weight everywhere else. It's said that they won't gain weight where the lipo was done.

:shrug:

I read you have all the fat cells you will ever have by adolescence, so that makes sense, lol! The only thing that changes is the size of each cell. When you lose weight they shrink.

Boy, those docs have a racket, huh? Suck out the belly fat, the weight is gained in the butt, suck out the butt, then the thighs get big...Oh yeah, that's job security!

imo

[Nawny]

Hey, careful on yourself, Nawny! I actually have known oil painters who have had similar symptoms! I myself got headaches when I was doing a lot of painting. It is worth checking out maybe. And paint in a ventilated space! And I use to blend with my fingers and clean it off with turpentine. Do not be me, lol!

Here's a site that artists have listed out their ways to make their work safer for themselves: http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/arthazards/health.html

Thanks BoB! I'll put the window fan on Blow Out.. thanks. I have a sky light that I can open too. You used your FINGERS? :eek: That never occurred to me. ROTFL!!! I'll go see that site. (Now that I've decided to ignore my chores.

[BeastofBears]

:eek: How do you all get anywhere if you just keep turning right? Sounds like going in circles to me, lol!!!

I do confess that I will go out of my way to get to a street with traffic lights to avoid having to make a left hand turn on a street that carries much traffic. Seems my sisters and DD do that also!!!! We are from very, very small town America (not a traffic light in town!!!) so the "big city" driving can cause us some anxieties!!! lol

San Francisco has entire main streets, like Van Ness and 19th Avenue, that are "No left turn" all the way down them. For miles. We know the tricks, like here to take a few rights to escape, but poor visitors get so trapped they have to cross the Golden Gate Bridge to turn around in Sausalito.

[BeastofBears]

[/B]

You're a smart young lady. :beer:

Now perhaps you can tell me how to get going this fine morning. I have 2 bathrooms to bleach out and a coupla loads of laundry to do.. and then there's that nasty dust thing going on and a floor or two to vacuum and some curtains to hang and some pictures to hang, and of course there is always the dishwasher to empty and and and ...

I think I'll read that new book I bought yesterday. It's called BLINK, by Malcolm Gladwell. Thanks for your help BoB! ;)

Start with coffee, preferably Peet's French roast from a bialetti espresso maker. That is my only hope this morning. I'm in the same boat. I have a 1940's linoleum floor to hand scrub (that counts as a workout, right?) It's the only way to get the porous old son-of-a-gun even close to clean. And the hubby has a pile of laundry 4 feet tall, ready to go. And I wonder why I have no time to write!

Oh, and you have a dishwasher? So do we: ME! And that doesn't work out well: there's not one clean plate in the entire house right now. I served bagels on paper towels. You'd think hubby would get the hint and clean a few?

[Nawny]

San Francisco has entire main streets, like Van Ness and 19th Avenue, that are "No left turn" all the way down them. For miles. We know the tricks, like here to take a few rights to escape, but poor visitors get so trapped they have to cross the Golden Gate Bridge to turn around in Sausalito.

ROaring laughing!! I remember the time I was standing , facing the water and the GG bridge was to our left some distance away. I wanted to cross it so bad. It was so beautiful to see. I never got to cross it but we went on a boat and got very close to it and it is amazing. I hate that word Amazing. I sound like an east coaster with a valley girl accent. Ahh maze ING! Anyway, it's a beautiful bridge and like when I saw the pyramids, I saw man's possibilities. California is so rich with nature and art I enjoyed being there. RI looked so dingy after that trip.

[beemer]

Posted link on other thread-911 call when caylee's remains were found. Thats all i can find at this point. More to come yet today:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Posted link on other thread-911 call when caylee's remains were found. Thats all i can find at this point. More to come yet today:beer:

ooohoohooohohhh, I forgot!!!!!

[Nawny]

Start with coffee, preferably Peet's French roast from a bialetti espresso maker. That is my only hope this morning. I'm in the same boat. I have a 1940's linoleum floor to hand scrub (that counts as a workout, right?) It's the only way to get the porous old son-of-a-gun even close to clean. And the hubby has a pile of laundry 4 feet tall, ready to go. And I wonder why I have no time to write!

Oh, and you have a dishwasher? So do we: ME! And that doesn't work out well: there's not one clean plate in the entire house right now. I served bagels on paper towels. You'd think hubby would get the hint and clean a few?

Ahh! I remember those days, and that linoleum. I kept waxing it with Future Floor wax and it drank it up each time. Eventually it started looking better, until I used ammonia on it and it all turned to glue. No ammonia!

Better days are coming dolly. I promise. :)

[BeastofBears]

Ahh! I remember those days, and that linoleum. I kept waxing it with Future Floor wax and it drank it up each time. Eventually it started looking better, until I used ammonia on it and it all turned to glue. No ammonia!

Better days are coming dolly. I promise. :)

I want a saltillo tile floor for that kitchen. Very attractive, and it takes the future buyers into account...the majority of people here are Mexican or of Mexican descent so it'll have a familiar "home" aesthetic.

[Amy]

But then we'd have to see his ashes...

and then there's my grandmother and uncle hidden in my mother's dining room hutch. She refuses to do anything about them. Like it makes them still alive or something. She wouldn't put a marker on my dad's grave either...freaked out when she visited and there was one. His brother put it in, thought maybe she couldn't afford it.

At this point, I figure just wait and put everybody together some day. Is that legal? aaargh.

I think, once the ashes are turned over to the family, they are free to do whatever they wish with them. Mix 'em all together, and the family remains together for eternity, so to speak. Some families would like that, others, maybe not so much. "Don't mix me w/Uncle Joe!!! I did NOT like him when he was live, I WON'T like him when we are all dead and gone!!!" lol

There might be some regulation about being able to spread their ashes in some areas, but who's to know that you did? It's not like ashes will stand out when they are there. People can say, oh, goodness, there's a bone, but they wouldn't be likely to say, gee, does that look like human ashes to you?

[SaraSidle]

They say it does sara. The thing that makes me laugh is, with all diet supplement herbs, there is always this message in small print that tells you to eata low fat diet and exercise. Magic pill! Someone must invent that magic pill! Ya know even in our recession here, diet commercials are all the rage. There is always some study going on where they promise you that you don't have to change any of your eating habits and you will lose weight with this product or that product. They even came out with a newer, safer kind of lipo (sorta) suction where they use a laser wire that burns off the fat in the gut area.

My Daughter told me about it and all I could imagine is, they might laser a kidney or a main artery and say, whoops. It's a new procedure so they don't have enough after effect info on it. I know 2 people who had the old kind of lipo done. Their stomachs are flat but they are gaining weight everywhere else. It's said that they won't gain weight where the lipo was done.

:shrug:

I know what you mean. I figured that out a while ago. then DH was all over it until I showed him the fine print. In the long run when there is no magic pill there is still diet and exercise. I hate both. sara

[SaraSidle]

I think, once the ashes are turned over to the family, they are free to do whatever they wish with them. Mix 'em all together, and the family remains together for eternity, so to speak. Some families would like that, others, maybe not so much. "Don't mix me w/Uncle Joe!!! I did NOT like him when he was live, I WON'T like him when we are all dead and gone!!!" lol

There might be some regulation about being able to spread their ashes in some areas, but who's to know that you did? It's not like ashes will stand out when they are there. People can say, oh, goodness, there's a bone, but they wouldn't be likely to say, gee, does that look like human ashes to you?

Wonderful post Amy. IMO sara

[BeastofBears]

I think, once the ashes are turned over to the family, they are free to do whatever they wish with them. Mix 'em all together, and the family remains together for eternity, so to speak. Some families would like that, others, maybe not so much. "Don't mix me w/Uncle Joe!!! I did NOT like him when he was live, I WON'T like him when we are all dead and gone!!!" lol

There might be some regulation about being able to spread their ashes in some areas, but who's to know that you did? It's not like ashes will stand out when they are there. People can say, oh, goodness, there's a bone, but they wouldn't be likely to say, gee, does that look like human ashes to you?

Several times a year Disneyland has to stop Pirates of the Carribean and the Haunted Mansion because they see people on the cameras spreading ashes. They never announce why the ride suddenly closes, but there it is, lol! Loyal friends, honoring last wishes, banned for life from Disneyland...

[Amy]

Laughing my head off! LOL!

I have tried those kinds of OCD sites. I'm too undisciplined. I'm a free spirit OCD'er and probably dyslexic. I keep forgetting which side I'm on.

But at the end of the day, I know (because I'm old and learned) that if I want to lose 10 pounds, all I have to do is stop doing what I do that makes me gain weight. It's so simple. I can cook chicken soup or fried chicken. I can order baked fish no fries instead of Fish& Chips, and I can eat a small amount of pasta and a lite antipasto, instead of gorging my face with 2 heaping dishes of spaghetti with melted cheese. See? It's just no fun. :(

You have a better excuse than I do. You have a couple of little weebs. You'll take it all off. I had 4 and it all came off after a couple of years. When I was 26 I had my 4th baby and by age 31, I was back in a size 5. It melts because they work the fat right off. When they are teens, it melts more. Trust me. Then when you reach menopause, it comes back.

I never knew how to diet, I'm learning now. It's amazing.

LOL! I luv ya BoB!

I swear, I weigh only a little less now than the day after DS was born 19 years ago!!!! And that kid was NEVER still. I had to be w/him, track him until he was about 6!!! (That was also my excuse for not getting house work done, too!!! Had to keep an eye on the boy!!! ;))

One time, I even cut out chips (my favorite food) and pop, back when I was drinking regular, and when there was no weight loss, I'm like---so, I can be fat and unhappy, or I can be fat and happy, and you probably know which I chose, lol!!!

I did lose weight after DD was born, for a bit. And, then DURING my pregnancy w/DS. @ about 7 months, the doc says, now, you aren't dieting are you? You know you can't diet during pregnancy!! You have only gained 5 pounds!!! I remind him what I weighed on my first prenatal visit, and invited him to review my chart on the weight loss @ the beginning due to nausea, inability to eat much @ all. If he looked @ THAT, he would note that I have indeed, gained a good 20 pounds!!! He didn't bother me w/that anymore!!!

Even when I do a healthy diet thing, I only lose a couple of pounds here and there. Probably has to do w/exercise, more than anything. @ work, I do more than 20,000 steps in a day (sometimes in a morning!!!) Some of it is down a long hall and back, but unfortunately too much of it is stop and go. Gotta keep that pulse rate up and running for an extended period of time. Of course, my heart rate is over 100 @ rest, so my excuse is, I'm afraid how high it might get!!! lol

[BeastofBears]

So I'm having a Woo-hoo day!

Got my knee pads on, got out the brush and bucket, spent an hour scrubbing down the kitchen floor. Rinsed it again, dried it and buffed it. By hand. Then laid down a nice smooth layer of polish. Perfect. Opened the windows and set it to drying.

And then the boy decided it would be "silly" to let the dog into the kitchen. The scrabbling panicking Idjit went skating and shedding in panic...you get the picture. Why do I get no cooperation around here :shrug:

PS, yeah, Amy, I totally understand about the boys whose every moment you have to track!

[Amy]

Go ahead and order the Magic Plant-of-the-Week, but don't forget to chase weebles even more and eat less, lol!

My magic trick is chromium picolinate...

good luck. I'm hungry and cranky :cuss: My poor hubby.

I didn't read the warning emails about Acai because it wasn't something I was gonna be using. But, you might look on sites not related to Acai to see what they have to say, in case the down side is something you aren't interested in experiencing. And, to see if these are addressed @ the Acai site(s.) I suppose it's a "natural" herb kind of thing, and sometimes folks think it's all good. But, even as w/chemical medication, it might also affect some system that you already have an issue with, or might plain ol' have an adverse affect on another system.

After reading all the diet possiblities and trying some--Adkins--my God, NO carbs? I was never, ever so hungry and miserable in my life!!! Even the "new improved" was horrible, IMO. And getting some exotic Chinese green tea, what I have found over the years is that, even those type of things have the same message.

Basically, they all say, in order to get the maximum effect of this product, you should eat a balanced, calorie appropriate diet, drink @ least 8 glasses of water a day, and exercise!!! Each and every one I have ever looked @ have this. Even the ones advertised on tv--"Lose weight and eat what you want!!!!" Well, you might lose a little weight, but you'd closer meet their advertised weight loss if you DON'T "eat what you want."

And, surprisingly or not, all the wonderful EXERCISE products and regimes pretty much say the same. Our product works best if you eat sensibly, a balance, calorie appropriate diet, and drink 8 glasses of water a day!!!

Gotta read the small print!!! So, my conclusion is: if I ate a balanced, calorie appropriate diet (watch the carbs, esp,) drank 8 glasses of water a day, and exercised, I could probably lose weight without the expense of the herbs and spices and exercise machines!!! lol. Now, if I would just be disciplined enough to check out my theory!!!! :D

[Amy]

It would be ideal if sara can get to work from home. I'm praying for you sara. Try craigslist. They have classifieds. Or disability! You can tell them you've been afflicted with CLA. Crime Library Addiction. I have it and I want to be compensated. ;) I have the twitch that goes with it!

There's no cure, but the parties are fun! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-bounce018.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Tonight is a full moon! Can we have a Full Moon party? :punch:

Well, Cindy Anthony gave us a name for a downright disabiltiy!!! Fat whatever blogger syndrome!!! They always need new syndromes to be named, and I think this is a downright good one!!!! :chicken:

[Amy]

Amy your world sounds so nice. I love mall towns. We have a few here but not too many can afford to live in them. Newport, Wickford, and some others near the shore are so pleasant and quaint New England towns that I love. But I'm a city girl. I learned to drive in Bridgeport Conn, near NY. I think I've mentioned that RI drivers were voted the worst in the country. Going to Boston is life threatening! They use their bliner lights. Sometimes.

If you need o change lanes and do use your blinker, that is the signal for the A holes in the lane next to you, to speed up. Yesterday poppa was driving in the far right lane and a woman was speeding in the breakdown lane. She passed him and drove on an angle into the far left lane, almost killing a few people. While telling his story, he referred to her as a "Dizzy B!tch" (As usual)

Small town in the Midwest is NOTHING like small town in the East, probably especially coastal towns. Small town here means--miles from anywhere!!! lol. I grew up in a town that was maybe 50 people. Went to high school in a town of maybe 400, and the county seat probably was all of 4,000!!!! The "big towns" usually the county seats have a grocery, a Dairy Queen, a Jiffy Lube, a gas station, maybe 2. Nowaydays they also have a few convenience stores. The county seat where I came from has a pizza hut, and those in two surrounding counties now have McD's and Sonic!!!

There are clinics and small hospitals with nursing homes in the county seats, but major medical/surgical problems require a trip to a regional center (where the population is 25,000 to 30,000!!! Really, really major stuff (or some people just go there for the major stuff) requires a trip of 3 hours or more, depending on where the major centers are.

We have our "turkey" drivers here, too. Sometimes, I am even one of them!!!:o I think Poppa might yell @ me about the dizzy b thing somedays!!! I used to live in "the big city" of 30,000 but moved to a town of 4,000 when the kids started school. From city limit sign to city limit sign on Railroad Ave is all of 4 miles, lol!!!! So, my current small town living has more advantages than the small town living where the folks and most of my siblings are living these days.

Oh, and the scenery is fields of waving grain (if there isn't a drought,) sprinkler systems, a few trees here and there. But, man, you CAN see for miles and miles and miles!!! A tad bit warm with hot winds-no cool ocean breeze to cool things off, lol!!!!

[Amy]

http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/horoscopes/horoscopes-by-holiday.html

It's a full moon day! Have fun and Amy, you know how it goes in hospitals on a full moon night. Enjoy the full moon in Pisces. There is always laughter. And of course, dreams.

:)

Fortunately for me, I don't work again until tomorrow. I might miss the fun and excitement, but will have to deal w/the aftermath, lol!!!

[BeastofBears]

I didn't read the warning emails about Acai because it wasn't something I was gonna be using. But, you might look on sites not related to Acai to see what they have to say, in case the down side is something you aren't interested in experiencing. And, to see if these are addressed @ the Acai site(s.) I suppose it's a "natural" herb kind of thing, and sometimes folks think it's all good. But, even as w/chemical medication, it might also affect some system that you already have an issue with, or might plain ol' have an adverse affect on another system.

After reading all the diet possiblities and trying some--Adkins--my God, NO carbs? I was never, ever so hungry and miserable in my life!!! Even the "new improved" was horrible, IMO. And getting some exotic Chinese green tea, what I have found over the years is that, even those type of things have the same message.

Basically, they all say, in order to get the maximum effect of this product, you should eat a balanced, calorie appropriate diet, drink @ least 8 glasses of water a day, and exercise!!! Each and every one I have ever looked @ have this. Even the ones advertised on tv--"Lose weight and eat what you want!!!!" Well, you might lose a little weight, but you'd closer meet their advertised weight loss if you DON'T "eat what you want."

And, surprisingly or not, all the wonderful EXERCISE products and regimes pretty much say the same. Our product works best if you eat sensibly, a balance, calorie appropriate diet, and drink 8 glasses of water a day!!!

Gotta read the small print!!! So, my conclusion is: if I ate a balanced, calorie appropriate diet (watch the carbs, esp,) drank 8 glasses of water a day, and exercised, I could probably lose weight without the expense of the herbs and spices and exercise machines!!! lol. Now, if I would just be disciplined enough to check out my theory!!!! :D

Oh, yeah, Atkins! I was on one of the sites where people boost each other on that diet, and a newbie came on and posted her photos. Lost 100 pounds in 4 months! wow! and then she said her only problems were fainting at work and periodic heart palpitations Thanks, but I would like to live to enjoy losing weight! moo

[Amy]

Start with coffee, preferably Peet's French roast from a bialetti espresso maker. That is my only hope this morning. I'm in the same boat. I have a 1940's linoleum floor to hand scrub (that counts as a workout, right?) It's the only way to get the porous old son-of-a-gun even close to clean. And the hubby has a pile of laundry 4 feet tall, ready to go. And I wonder why I have no time to write!

Oh, and you have a dishwasher? So do we: ME! And that doesn't work out well: there's not one clean plate in the entire house right now. I served bagels on paper towels. You'd think hubby would get the hint and clean a few?

Bolding mine.

From what I read and hear, that is a darn good workout!!! We are blessed w/so many conveniences, that is some of what "the experts" have attributed to the fattening of the nation. Now, I know there were some chubby, even fat people in the really old ages, but as a rule, people were much slimmer. Cook over a hot fire, not only wash the dishes, but scrub those humongous kettles!!! Go fetch the firewood. Grow and reap the garden, and preserve the overflow of fruits and veggies. Walk those cellar steps where food stuff is kept to keep it cool. Walk to church or town, or spend calories catching and harnessing horses to the buggy. Use some calories whilst controlling the horse on the ride!!! Wash the clothes on a scrub board, scrub floors on hands and knees. That's yours, lol!!! Little time to sit and read; sewing by hand and knitting took more calories anyway.

I think their diets were not exactly the most healthy, but surely more healthy than the neighborhood McD's or Sonic. Even restaurants now provide servings much larger than any human need to consume @ one meal. (Which is what doggie bags were made for, but far too people use them.)

When I hear some of the (whatever they are) people who go on about emissions and stuff, I just wanna scream @ them to tell them to outlaw modern automobiles!!! Go back to the horse and buggy, buy yourself a bicycle to get around on!!! Oh, I guess the horse thing wouldn't work so well, there is that complaint about animal emissions which is more toward cows, but still.....the horse does it's share of emissions!!!!:chicken:

[Amy]

So I'm having a Woo-hoo day!

Got my knee pads on, got out the brush and bucket, spent an hour scrubbing down the kitchen floor. Rinsed it again, dried it and buffed it. By hand. Then laid down a nice smooth layer of polish. Perfect. Opened the windows and set it to drying.

And then the boy decided it would be "silly" to let the dog into the kitchen. The scrabbling panicking Idjit went skating and shedding in panic...you get the picture. Why do I get no cooperation around here :shrug:

PS, yeah, Amy, I totally understand about the boys whose every moment you have to track!

When the kids were little, they helped me scrub the kitchen floor. I would get a couple of pans, square, shortish and put some water and Dawn dish soap in them, with a couple of little sponges. Put the pans and the kids in the kitchen and let them play!!! Then, took bath towels down on the floor and scoot them around w/my feet until the water was sopped up!!! My floor was the don't wax kind, thank goodness!!! The first time people saw the process, their eyes would bug out. But, hey, the floor and the kids were clean, all I had left to do was wash the towels!!!!

Dawn dish soap was my friend. The kids would get sooo dirty outside, and bubble bath just didn't seem to work so much. I remembered about cutting the grease stuff on Dawn commercials, so used that instead of bubble bath if the kids were exceptionally dirty. Worked, too!!

[Amy]

Oh, yeah, Atkins! I was on one of the sites where people boost each other on that diet, and a newbie came on and posted her photos. Lost 100 pounds in 4 months! wow! and then she said her only problems were fainting at work and periodic heart palpitations Thanks, but I would like to live to enjoy losing weight! moo

That's another problem of modern society in general. We want it ALL and we want it NOW!!!! The best weight loss is slow and steady. Learning new, healthier habits and lifestyles.

I wonder, those nutrisystem and type people. They say they have lost x number of pounds, and kept it off for x number of years. Do they eat that stuff forever and a day? Or, do they eventually get back to food they prepare themselves? And, I wonder how many "users" of that type of dieting gain the weight back, going off the foodstuff they pay for?

[Nawny]

I didn't read the warning emails about Acai because it wasn't something I was gonna be using. But, you might look on sites not related to Acai to see what they have to say, in case the down side is something you aren't interested in experiencing. And, to see if these are addressed @ the Acai site(s.) I suppose it's a "natural" herb kind of thing, and sometimes folks think it's all good. But, even as w/chemical medication, it might also affect some system that you already have an issue with, or might plain ol' have an adverse affect on another system.

After reading all the diet possiblities and trying some--Adkins--my God, NO carbs? I was never, ever so hungry and miserable in my life!!! Even the "new improved" was horrible, IMO. And getting some exotic Chinese green tea, what I have found over the years is that, even those type of things have the same message.

Basically, they all say, in order to get the maximum effect of this product, you should eat a balanced, calorie appropriate diet, drink @ least 8 glasses of water a day, and exercise!!! Each and every one I have ever looked @ have this. Even the ones advertised on tv--"Lose weight and eat what you want!!!!" Well, you might lose a little weight, but you'd closer meet their advertised weight loss if you DON'T "eat what you want."

And, surprisingly or not, all the wonderful EXERCISE products and regimes pretty much say the same. Our product works best if you eat sensibly, a balance, calorie appropriate diet, and drink 8 glasses of water a day!!!

Gotta read the small print!!! So, my conclusion is: if I ate a balanced, calorie appropriate diet (watch the carbs, esp,) drank 8 glasses of water a day, and exercised, I could probably lose weight without the expense of the herbs and spices and exercise machines!!! lol. Now, if I would just be disciplined enough to check out my theory!!!! :D


Ahh, Haa! That's it, the water! I don't drink enough water. I don't drink any water actually. I just drink cawffee. So I'll drink water. That's what I'll do. :biggrin:

Oh yeah Atkins does work. But you get bad breath and very consitpated for about ten days. And of course you eat dead animals a lot.

and cheeeeeeeeeeze.

[SaraSidle]

Ahh, Haa! That's it, the water! I don't drink enough water. I don't drink any water actually. I just drink cawffee. So I'll drink water. That's what I'll do. :biggrin:

Oh yeah Atkins does work. But you get bad breath and very consitpated for about ten days. And of course you eat dead animals a lot.

and cheeeeeeeeeeze.

And be in a bad mood. IMO

[Amy]

Ahh, Haa! That's it, the water! I don't drink enough water. I don't drink any water actually. I just drink cawffee. So I'll drink water. That's what I'll do. :biggrin:

Oh yeah Atkins does work. But you get bad breath and very consitpated for about ten days. And of course you eat dead animals a lot.

and cheeeeeeeeeeze.

I drink my Diet Dr Pepper, my coffee (usually w/flavored creamer) and my International House coffee. On the occasion I go out to eat, I will have water (mostly cuz they charge horribly for anything else--some places iced tea is TWICE what it costs to have a soft drink!!!!) I always just figured, liquid is liquid, and DDP is as good as any. The nurse practicioner says, nope. Everything else has things that make you retain this, excrete too much of that, etc etc etc. Water flushes you out. Oh, you can put a TOUCH of lemon or lime, but don't get carried away!!! Even those fruit flavored waters they sell commercially doesn't seem to count!!!!

[Nawny]

I drink my Diet Dr Pepper, my coffee (usually w/flavored creamer) and my International House coffee. On the occasion I go out to eat, I will have water (mostly cuz they charge horribly for anything else--some places iced tea is TWICE what it costs to have a soft drink!!!!) I always just figured, liquid is liquid, and DDP is as good as any. The nurse practicioner says, nope. Everything else has things that make you retain this, excrete too much of that, etc etc etc. Water flushes you out. Oh, you can put a TOUCH of lemon or lime, but don't get carried away!!! Even those fruit flavored waters they sell commercially doesn't seem to count!!!!

We're doomed! :(

[Gatordog]

You want to hear a confession? We have our beloved lab Siggy still in a box, unburied, because I don't want to bury him in his backyard, and then sell the house, and have someone landscape and disturb him :( So he's hidden in a cupboard. I just don't know what to do. I thought of putting his ashes in the base of a birdbath or something and pouring concrete in, then we could take it with us...do you think that 's a good idea? Or weird and we should just bury him in his backyard?

I put the bag of Gator's ashes in a blue velvet bag which has the rainbow bridge on it and the put it in a beautiful inlaid wooden laquered box and he's on my chest of drawers with a cross that has friend and a saying written down it. One day, my ashes will be spread into Prince William Sound in Alaska and Gator will join me.

Don't bury him in the yard. My friend did that with her daughter's dog and then sold the house. It's a sore subject. The daughter keeps the ashes of her other dog in a box in her closet because she says she will always know where he is.

[Gatordog]

That is a really good idea! I have a friend who went that route, was often offered permanent positions, but she decided she liked the variety of temping.

There was also a piece on the news this morning that the Federal government is hiring - I think the website quoted was usajobs.gov.

[SaraSidle]

I put the bag of Gator's ashes in a blue velvet bag which has the rainbow bridge on it and the put it in a beautiful inlaid wooden laquered box and he's on my chest of drawers with a cross that has friend and a saying written down it. One day, my ashes will be spread into Prince William Sound in Alaska and Gator will join me.

Don't bury him in the yard. My friend did that with her daughter's dog and then sold the house. It's a sore subject. The daughter keeps the ashes of her other dog in a box in her closet because she says she will always know where he is.

Gator that is so beautiful. loving gator. you must still miss him.

I understand the back yard thing. I would be the same as the daughter.
IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

There was also a piece on the news this morning that the Federal government is hiring - I think the website quoted was usajobs.gov.

thanks gator. I will check it out.

[Nawny]

And be in a bad mood. IMO

LOL! Yes!

Although, I've witnessed b!chiness in poppa when his weight is up. When he sees a nicely built jogger running down the street, he always says, "Got a brick?"

[Gatordog]

WOW! That's great! Coincidentally, I'm behaving myself with the food lately too. I actually dusted off the treadmill yesterday and did ten minutes. I ate mini wheats for supper tonight and tomato salad. Eww, that's sounds terrible, but I was good. I ate cereal for supper last night too. Special K. I need to learn more about that Mediterranean diet Gator is on. I love Mediterranean stuff. I haven't gone near a scale in months. I'm afraid. :eek: Food is a drug for me. I'll do cocaine when I'm older and can handle it. ;)

Really enjoying the Med diet. I made a breakfast casserole that I invented and it's sooooo good = spinach, broccoli, onion, mushrooms, egg beaters, low fat ricotta, fat free yogurt, feta cheese. I take out about a cup full for breakfast and just drizzle a tiny bit of olive oil before heating and I have a gerber's baby food banana or banana mix fruit. For dinner tonight I had some of the spinach/onion/mushroom/broccoli mixture that I did not need for the casserole - put it on a plate and drizzled EVOO, garlic and lots of lemon juice and put a 4 oz roasted chicken breast on top with more lemon juice. Heated it up and had a terrific chicken florantine. Fantastic!

[SaraSidle]

LOL! Yes!

Although, I've witnessed b!chiness in poppa when his weight is up. When he sees a nicely built jogger running down the street, he always says, "Got a brick?"

sounds like my dh. want those sixpak bellys. I have a 7 month pregnant six pack.............and I am not pregnant. LOL

[SaraSidle]

Really enjoying the Med diet. I made a breakfast casserole that I invented and it's sooooo good = spinach, broccoli, onion, mushrooms, egg beaters, low fat ricotta, fat free yogurt, feta cheese. I take out about a cup full for breakfast and just drizzle a tiny bit of olive oil before heating and I have a gerber's baby food banana or banana mix fruit. For dinner tonight I had some of the spinach/onion/mushroom/broccoli mixture that I did not need for the casserole - put it on a plate and drizzled EVOO, garlic and lots of lemon juice and put a 4 oz roasted chicken breast on top with more lemon juice. Heated it up and had a terrific chicken florantine. Fantastic!

That really sounds good gator. I just love everything you mentioned.
do you watch Rachel Ray on TV?

[Gatordog]

Gator that is so beautiful. loving gator. you must still miss him.

I understand the back yard thing. I would be the same as the daughter.
IMO sara

Yes, I miss him everyday but i think he's come back. He died in my house and I think his soul went into little Freddo, one of the kittens I took in. Freddy has become super attached to me and even sleeps the same exact way that gator did - with one paw on me so that he would know when I moved. My mother calls him G2, because he has so many traits that Gator had. Freddy is about 5 and a half months now. He's a black and white tuxedo cat. His sisters aren't as sweet or friendly. He's made me very happy.

[Gatordog]

That really sounds good gator. I just love everything you mentioned.
do you watch Rachel Ray on TV?

Not her talk show but watched her 30 minute meals on the Food Channel. She doesn't cook very fancy which is what I like. As for the casserole I made, it was from bags of frozen veggies and a can of drained mushrooms. So easy yet so good and so fast for breakfast. Since it's already baked, I only have to scoop it out and microwave it for a minute. By 6:30 a.m. I already have two servings of veggies.

[SaraSidle]

Not her talk show but watched her 30 minute meals on the Food Channel. She doesn't cook very fancy which is what I like. As for the casserole I made, it was from bags of frozen veggies and a can of drained mushrooms. So easy yet so good and so fast for breakfast. Since it's already baked, I only have to scoop it out and microwave it for a minute. By 6:30 a.m. I already have two servings of veggies.

One of these days I am going to just eat veggies,fruit and cereal. I had a mono relapse one summer and no meds would help so I just switched to that and I was perky in no time. You can be quite creative if you put your mind to it. and treats one day a week. fish steak chicken.....sara

[SaraSidle]

Yes, I miss him everyday but i think he's come back. He died in my house and I think his soul went into little Freddo, one of the kittens I took in. Freddy has become super attached to me and even sleeps the same exact way that gator did - with one paw on me so that he would know when I moved. My mother calls him G2, because he has so many traits that Gator had. Freddy is about 5 and a half months now. He's a black and white tuxedo cat. His sisters aren't as sweet or friendly. He's made me very happy.

Oh that is so sweet gator. maybe it is gatordog. my cats both remind me of the 2 cats we had growing up enough so that I esplained to my dh why I might call them the wrong name. the paw thing is wonderful. Mine do that only every once in a while. maybe it is because all mine have been female.
snotty and snooty. sara

[Nawny]

Really enjoying the Med diet. I made a breakfast casserole that I invented and it's sooooo good = spinach, broccoli, onion, mushrooms, egg beaters, low fat ricotta, fat free yogurt, feta cheese. I take out about a cup full for breakfast and just drizzle a tiny bit of olive oil before heating and I have a gerber's baby food banana or banana mix fruit. For dinner tonight I had some of the spinach/onion/mushroom/broccoli mixture that I did not need for the casserole - put it on a plate and drizzled EVOO, garlic and lots of lemon juice and put a 4 oz roasted chicken breast on top with more lemon juice. Heated it up and had a terrific chicken florantine. Fantastic!

Sounds great! What's EVOO? I know chicken is a diet pill. If we ate only chicken we'd be stick figures.

I ate chicken soup tonight, left over from Wed. I didn't feel like cooking. Poppa offered to take me for Fish&Chips but I declined. Am I good? I'm good, so good. (I was chompin at the bit, but I ate the soup instead) :punch:

[SaraSidle]

Sounds great! What's EVOO? I know chicken is a diet pill. If we ate only chicken we'd be stick figures.

I ate chicken soup tonight, left over from Wed. I didn't feel like cooking. Poppa offered to take me for Fish&Chips but I declined. Am I good? I'm good, so good. (I was chompin at the bit, but I ate the soup instead) :punch:

EVOO is Extra Virgin Olive Oil. you are good. very good some night it is just nice to stay home and diet. sara :eek:

[Nawny]

EVOO is Extra Virgin Olive Oil. you are good. very good some night it is just nice to stay home and diet. sara :eek:

Baaahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! rotflmao!!!

[Nawny]

Not her talk show but watched her 30 minute meals on the Food Channel. She doesn't cook very fancy which is what I like. As for the casserole I made, it was from bags of frozen veggies and a can of drained mushrooms. So easy yet so good and so fast for breakfast. Since it's already baked, I only have to scoop it out and microwave it for a minute. By 6:30 a.m. I already have two servings of veggies.

Sounds okay. I rarely eat veggies. Unless they are in a soup, salad or stew, I just don't crave them. I need to learn to eat more veggies. I'm such a habitual eater... that's the problem. But I know I will lose weight if I really set my mind to it. I mean I know how to do it, but I rationalize.

Note to self: Stop rationalizing. Drink more water. Don't eat the macaroni. Eat more veggies, Do not order in. Don't make the Dom DeLuise cake (just to taste)

I'm good. :cool:

[SaraSidle]

Sounds okay. I rarely eat veggies. Unless they are in a soup, salad or stew, I just don't crave them. I need to learn to eat more veggies. I'm such a habitual eater... that's the problem. But I know I will lose weight if I really set my mind to it. I mean I know how to do it, but I rationalize.

Note to self: Stop rationalizing. Drink more water. Don't eat the macaroni. Eat more veggies, Do not order in. Don't make the Dom DeLuise cake (just to taste)

I'm good. :cool:

I think my favorite lowcal snack is veggies. I like to cut them up as finger food and use a dip. same with fruit. I use a fruit dip. another thing I like is too cut all the veggies small and make either salad out of it or stir fry. It works best when I am on the computer of course. sara

[Nawny]

I think my favorite lowcal snack is veggies. I like to cut them up as finger food and use a dip. same with fruit. I use a fruit dip. another thing I like is too cut all the veggies small and make either salad out of it or stir fry. It works best when I am on the computer of course. sara


Cry Laughing.. :tongue: You're in the full moon mode tonight baby! :)
You're so funny tonight! ! ! !

[Nawny]

I promised myself I would start reading BLINK, the new book I got yesterday. When I sat down in the den to start it I loved it from the first page, but fell asleep on poppa's red chair. I woke up like a pretzel, (I hate when that happens) and haven't stopped reading CL since I woke up.. those friken A's!

I love to read and whether it's here or a book, it's still reading right? It's great here because CL talks back. ;)

I'm going to go put on my flannels, It's freezing, then I'm going to go read more of BLINK.. I'm wide awake. I'd better sleep up side down in the bed tonight or my new sleep schedule will ruin my 3 day weekend. Happy Labor Day everyone! Enjoy it!

:seeya:

[BeastofBears]

I put the bag of Gator's ashes in a blue velvet bag which has the rainbow bridge on it and the put it in a beautiful inlaid wooden laquered box and he's on my chest of drawers with a cross that has friend and a saying written down it. One day, my ashes will be spread into Prince William Sound in Alaska and Gator will join me.

Don't bury him in the yard. My friend did that with her daughter's dog and then sold the house. It's a sore subject. The daughter keeps the ashes of her other dog in a box in her closet because she says she will always know where he is.

That's a great choice with Gator!

I totally understand the daughter. I think I would drive by and stalk the house forever...I loved that goofy neurotic dog! He was afraid of linoleum floors. The only exit to the backyard of our house is through the linoleumed kitchen. Every trip through the kitchen was hilarious-he would do a dance so his paws would touch the floor as little as possible.

[SaraSidle]

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Cry Laughing.. :tongue: You're in the full moon mode tonight baby! :)
You're so funny tonight! ! ! !

I have no control as I eat my rice and cheese. sara

[SaraSidle]

I promised myself I would start reading BLINK, the new book I got yesterday. When I sat down in the den to start it I loved it from the first page, but fell asleep on poppa's red chair. I woke up like a pretzel, (I hate when that happens) and haven't stopped reading CL since I woke up.. those friken A's!

I love to read and whether it's here or a book, it's still reading right? It's great here because CL talks back. ;)

I'm going to go put on my flannels, It's freezing, then I'm going to go read more of BLINK.. I'm wide awake. I'd better sleep up side down in the bed tonight or my new sleep schedule will ruin my 3 day weekend. Happy Labor Day everyone! Enjoy it!

:seeya:

feeling like a pretzel sounds very painful. let me know what blink is about please when you have time? Flannels already???? I am not that cold yet.
have a great weekend and eat like there is no Tuesday LOL sara