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[old_soul]

Well ladies i am off to do the work thang:( I have a ton of hours this week due to full timers taking holidays and one being transfered out. So i may be just here reading. Busy week outside of work as well. Sons going back to school so lots of packing to help them with and of course finding where they put things :eek: Always here is spirit. Hey OS-what is that site selling Liar t shirts-I want one for trial then i will burn it after in our fire pit:D That will be closure for me :seeya:

Oh yeah, baby, we all must get one! ;) http://www.zazzle.com/casey+anthony+tshirts


Have a wonderful day!! catch you when you get back! :seeya:

[Nawny]

Nawny, thanks for sharing your lovely treasure. Your family is just how I imagined. Beautiful. Like you, I try to hang on to the good memories. There are times when things were good. But most often, things were really bad and overshadowed the good. Few good times to compensate for the ugly ones.
HOWEVER, getting out (becoming the bad-ass black sheep) was the only way for me to stay safe and sane. I don't regret it one bit. Sometimes when I get pulled back in due to circumstances, I leave them feeling like chit. They can be mean but I blame it on the alcohol which is always the center of their functions.
Black Sheep Rule! :beer:
Drew

Thanks DrewB.. I don't see us as beautiful, I grew up with a million faces just like ours and it's all I knew. I saw other nationalities very seldom because in our world everyone was Italian. When I left home at 17, I began to understand the world is a melting pot of all races and nationalities.. but I didn't really get out until after my mother died, when the meatballs hit the fan and I began to see who was who. All 3 of my sisters went into a bottle and never came out.
Lu is gone, and Grinch is on her way. Such deterioration and confusion hit and their beauty was zapped. They all aged so fast!

I got out, it's true but I often suffer from survivor's guilt. My mother was the puppet master and kept the peace, and when they got mean, I took it for her sake. (Though I went after one of them several times for being cruel to her) After ma died, the fun began. Now I know I can't be around them when they're drinking, so I stay clear. No judgements.. I do love them all and I'm not perfect by anyone's standards. I have gotten on and off the pity pot many times. Especially when I was younger. Ooof! Yes having contact leaves me feeling like chit too! It must be normal. I have some good memories, but also, like you, mostly bad. If I think about some of the scenes I've witnessed I get down in minutes.. so I try not to.

I'm grateful I got out.. baaa baaaa :hat:

[Nawny]

Oh yeah, baby, we all must get one! ;) http://www.zazzle.com/casey+anthony+tshirts


Have a wonderful day!! catch you when you get back! :seeya:

OMG! It's real! That's incredible! So it appears we're not the only ones who find her a major nutcase? Hmmm, I'll take the one that says, HUGE WASTE.

[Nawny]

You're a good mommy!....and, you hit the nail on the head! My girls grew up with Loonette and Molly on The Big Comfy Couch (laughing here :)) Molly would say no to everything, hence, A fave song was NO MEANS NO... My oldest would sing it over and over and over...............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvFv_adJIsE

Anyway, LOL, the kids knew NO, even the fricken cats know NO... LOL. That's the difference between, let's just say many others children here, and Nawny's good girls ~ and someone like Casey.

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Thanks o_s!!! I just watched a few of them and put the link in fav's for the weebles to watch. Never saw Looneete:)

[Nawny]

Hey Drew, I think you speak for many of us with sad childhoods and trying to climb out. With my family I just tell myself alcoholism is a disease and genetic. I cannot control them but I can control how I react to them for my sanity. I just concentrate on me as much as possible. (ex. circumstances)

When my niece was born I fell in love with her. just an angel. I took care of her as much as I could. Her mother never said no to her growing up. Of course she dropped out of H.S. did many drugs and alcohol, went from man to man and now is finally the mother of a baby at 21! the father of course is a drug addict she met from across the country and has no idea. the apple does not fall far from the tree and it scares me to think how Caylee would have turned out had she lived. So very sad. Her only chance would have been a different living situation and we know that would not happen. IMO sara

It's all true, what you said. Alcoholism is a disease, and an addiction which is so hard to fight with. Even gamblers and drug users are on that bus and those addictions have destroyed as many families as alcohol. We are so powerless against addiction, but it doesn't stop us from loving them. I know from experiences in my life that addicts don't plan to mess up their lives... they just do. Someone always ends up hurt. :( Or a lot of someones)

I agree that Caylee's journey ended what would have been history repeated, but who am I to say? Life is a leap of fate, like Elton says. Everything is written and I'll be damned if I understand why terrible things happen. I can only do my best to love everyone no matter how much they make me cry. Like I said, one day I started pushing back and made them cry too. :shrug: Even puppies will bite after someone hits them on the head enough times.
I'm not Gandhi! :o

I understand your frustration about your angel. We want so much for the children, so much. :rose: The world is a changin! At 21 many girls have many kids by many fathers. All we can do is put the right stuff in their heads and pray harder.

[SaraSidle]

It's all true, what you said. Alcoholism is a disease, and an addiction which is so hard to fight with. Even gamblers and drug users are on that bus and those addictions have destroyed as many families as alcohol. We are so powerless against addiction, but it doesn't stop us from loving them. I know from experiences in my life that addicts don't plan to mess up their lives... they just do. Someone always ends up hurt. :( Or a lot of someones)
I agree that Caylee's journey ended what would have been history repeated, but who am I to say? Life is a leap of fate, like Elton says. Everything is written and I'll be damned if I understand why terrible things happen. I can only do my best to love everyone no matter how much they make me cry. Like I said, one day I started pushing back and made them cry too. :shrug: Even puppies will bite after someone hits them on the head enough times.
I'm not Gandhi! :o

I understand your frustration about your angel. We want so much for the children, so much. :rose: The world is a changin! At 21 many girls have many kids by many fathers. All we can do is put the right stuff in their heads and pray harder.

You said a mountainful there Nawny (the bolded). You are exactly right. We have to love them but we cry and have no control. I have asked too many times why bad things happen. I just keep plugging away at life. I have tried so many times with my niece and so has my brother. I know it is too late and I so miss her as a young innocent weeble. closest I had to a daughter. sigh..........:(:(:(

[Nawny]

You said a mountainful there Nawny (the bolded). You are exactly right. We have to love them but we cry and have no control. I have asked too many times why bad things happen. I just keep plugging away at life. I have tried so many times with my niece and so has my brother. I know it is too late and I so miss her as a young innocent weeble. closest I had to a daughter. sigh..........:(:(:(

Awww Sara.. hugs.. some turn around. She's young yet. Some day she may surprise all of you and become all that she can be. When I married young and had 4 kids by age 26, my father thought I was a hopeless case. I remained married to the same man for 20 years before I got the point!

I did eventually change my life and he didn't live long enough to see how I am living now. He'd faint! And with one exception, my kids are all very successful today. Ya neveah know!

Ya gotta BELIEVE! Keep the faith! SOmetimes angels do dumb things, but they are still angels!
:)

[Gatordog]

LOL!!! Fun!

I miss White Castle. It's gone! I get tired of Franchise food, but thank goodness we still have a lot of owner operated places here. Good ole Federal Hill had the best restaurants, but it would be hard to impress a New Yorker, that's for sure! I Love NY! My neighbor has an apartment in Manhattan but he won't invite me.. the bum! He said it's too small for him and it's cheap rent is only $2500 a month. I fed him Veal Francese last week and he still won't invite me to his Manhattan apt. I think he's gay. LMAO! I love him though!

;)

Nawn, the next time you are in Fla I'm taking you to Crystals. They are very similar to White Castles ( which, by the way is sold frozen the grocery stores.) I grew up in Brooklyn and there was a White Castles nearby. I just loved them. I remember going trick or treating and having to go home multiple times to empty my bag and going first to white Castles where they'd give you a burger and then going to the soda distributor and getting either an orange soda or a grape soda. These poor kids today, they have no idea of the good old days of being able to go a mile in any direction and hit every house.

[Gatordog]

This picture was taken in 1991. 4 of my siblings are not in it. Lucy is the one with the glasses. Ma is obvious and I am on the far left. Grinchy is on the far right.. ;) Are we a lil bit Italian??? :)

It' s Christmas Eve in Providence.. They all moved to Florida that year. Black sheep stayed behind and married poppa 2 years later. It's all good.

Have fun in heaven with ma Lu! Make those meatballs! :rose:

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And now Nawny has a new adopted sister - me. We have become very close and my mom thinks she gave birth to twin girls but one was stolen - Nawny. I never had a sister, now I'm blessed with a best friend who is like a sister.

gator

[Gatordog]

Thank you Sara baby, I hope I did some good for my family. Besides being a battering board for them, I know I tried to show them I loved them. I made a video once and put each one's life with pictures to music.. I chose a song for each one of them and it was from my vantage point through my rose colored lens and my mother just loved it. My grinch sister sarcastically remarked, Hmm, I suppose you'll discover another planet tomorrow. Jerky sisters. If I discovered another planet, I'd pack her up and send her there. :hat:

My mother's song was Autumn Leaves by Nat King Cole because that was her wedding song. My song and has always been , Somewhere over the Rainbow. LOL! My siblings always laughed at that, but one day they will understand why I live the life I live with poppa.. dreams do come true, if ya got one! :)

I looked up that actress Debra... Sara, and I saw the similarities.. yes. But she's Jewish! LOL! That's okay I love Jewish!


Nawny, if you found another planet, it would have to be green. If Mars is the red planet and angry, then the planet you'd send grinchy to would have to be green, the envy planet. :D

[Gatordog]

I honestly have no idea...it seems early on Casey did literally everything a lawyer would have told her not to do. Well, except for take a polygraph, and I think Gator is probably grateful for that since Florida would have kabloooied like the Death Star from the power drain, if you ask me...but just in general, where does a defense go with the hand they were dealt? I will also be fascinated...

Did someone say gator? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy069.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy063.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) Since Friday, we've probably gotten three inches of rain each day. My front and backyard are flooded. I need to drive by suburban drive and see what's going on there.

BoB, I thought of you yesterday when I was shopping in Dillards. I saw the best long sleeve tee, it had pharohs and pyramids and said something that I can't remember about Eygpt being the land of ages.

[Nawny]

Weeeeee!!! Humor me! :) Today's Horoscope!

http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/horoscopes/horoscopes-by-holiday.html

[Nawny]

Nawn, the next time you are in Fla I'm taking you to Crystals. They are very similar to White Castles ( which, by the way is sold frozen the grocery stores.) I grew up in Brooklyn and there was a White Castles nearby. I just loved them. I remember going trick or treating and having to go home multiple times to empty my bag and going first to white Castles where they'd give you a burger and then going to the soda distributor and getting either an orange soda or a grape soda. These poor kids today, they have no idea of the good old days of being able to go a mile in any direction and hit every house.

I'll be back to Florida many times,, many many! I have the best sister there now! :)

[Amy]

Hello to all my friends. As I've read through the posts today, I can't stop crying. Fatigue, I suppose. It seems that many of us here are going through some very trying times. First, I'd like to wish OS, Snoop, and everyone who is suffering, my prayers are with you. You are all so supportive and loving. Something my family is incapable of due to alcholic dysfunction. I am the blacksheep. I seem to be the only voice of reason and do my best to keep things gently moving for my brother in law. He is suffering so badly and sis keeps drinking as to stay in denial. That's the theme in my family. It was very apparent growing up and especially apparent during Dad's suicide in March. I am blessed because I got out. I'm rambling again through tears, but THANK YOU ALL so very much for being here for me. On my way out to see Adam and make sure he's taking his meds. and doing what he's been told!! These 21 yr. olds think they are invincible, don't they!
See ya all later.
DrewB


:rose::rose::rose:

[old_soul]

And now Nawny has a new adopted sister - me. We have become very close and my mom thinks she gave birth to twin girls but one was stolen - Nawny. I never had a sister, now I'm blessed with a best friend who is like a sister.

gatorThat is so sweet. :rose:

Nawn, the next time you are in Fla I'm taking you to Crystals. They are very similar to White Castles ( which, by the way is sold frozen the grocery stores.) I grew up in Brooklyn and there was a White Castles nearby. I just loved them. I remember going trick or treating and having to go home multiple times to empty my bag and going first to white Castles where they'd give you a burger and then going to the soda distributor and getting either an orange soda or a grape soda. These poor kids today, they have no idea of the good old days of being able to go a mile in any direction and hit every house.


D*mn! I could go for one right now! I settle for the frozen ones when I can't get a sack, definately worth every bit of gas (burp) tee heeeeeee

http://i29.tinypic.com/f2nhxs.jpg I read about this guy Joey Chestnut who ate 103 Krystal burgers in one sitting....
I can do 5 murder burgers......anyone else? what's your limit?

[Nawny]

Nawny, if you found another planet, it would have to be green. If Mars is the red planet and angry, then the planet you'd send grinchy to would have to be green, the envy planet. :D

It's true I guess but believe me, she had more opportunities to make it in the world than I ever did. She was so very attractive and could have chosen her husband's well, but she chose losers. (See what men can do to a woman?) She thinks they are the gages by which to judge her worth.. That is so wrong!

My mother and father did a lot for her. THe squeaky wheel in a big family gets a lot. I feel sorry for her, always did but my heart is not her punching bag anymore. She's skeeered of me now. lol! When she's good, she's very good. She can be so nice at times. She has so many friends!!! Her logic is messy though and sometimes she reminds me of that other grinch. That's when I :chicken: Then she cries.. go figure. :shrug:

[deacon]

He's at the beach? Hmmmm, move out there with the mrs deacon. Weebles are the heart of God. They bring out the best in us all! :beer:

I wish I could. He is "in" with all the good golf courses and could get me reduced rates.:biggrin:

Oh, the ladies won the Solhiem Cup today. You go ladies!!!!!!!:patriot:

[Amy]

I love Applebees! I always wind up getting the bourbon steak, but that dip IS the bomb!

On the spur of the moment, a little while ago we went to Chili's with my nephew........ugh, somehow the food sucked, I mean everything. Then my nephew pulled a fast one and told the server it was my daughter's birthday...They came over singing that crazy birthday song..SHE was mortified! (I almost peed my pants, it's not her birthday!)

D*mn, that molten chocolate fudge cake with the vanilla ice cream they gave her as a birthday present was GOOD though! LOL

Sliders remind me of White Castle 'Murder burgers'! MMMmmmm ..burp! :eek:

I eat spinach in a salad, and I eat the kind that comes out of a can that you cook (I think I got my culinary tastes and habits from my mom, lol!!!) But, in a dip? Nahh, but glad you all like it.

I like the chicken oriental salad. One time when I got it to take home, they forgot the dressing!!! OMG. It's only about 10 miles, but I was tired, I was home, I WASN'T going back!!! I found out--Ranch Dressing really doesn't go well w/the little fried noodles or whatever they are called, and the almonds. No sirree!!!! (I could use the puke icon here, lol.)

Glad your nephew had a good idea to save the day!!! Hope the same staff isn't serving when her birthday comes along, if it's soon.

[Nawny]

And now Nawny has a new adopted sister - me. We have become very close and my mom thinks she gave birth to twin girls but one was stolen - Nawny. I never had a sister, now I'm blessed with a best friend who is like a sister.

gator

Life is very much full of surprises. I am a firm believer in some higher power that gives back what we lose if we just believe. I am so happy about our friendship baby.. you were so obviously good and I saw it right here. It's not too hard to see what people are made of through their writings. I think this entire group is filled with very special people.

I think we should get together some day. I'm still thinking Cocoa beach in the spring. I'll keep imagining it and betcha it comes true! :tongue: Poppa will have a very busy year at the agency and he gave me a thumbs up on it. If not that, then anyone who wants to visit New England is welcome here! Imagine if we all bonded and took one trip a year? I love that idea! Women make great friends. They are always supportive of each other too!


I'm so mushy.. :hat:

Edit: Whoops, Mr Napoleon!!! I didn't mean to exclude you.. we need Mrs. deacon here too!

[deacon]

We've always had spiders because our house backs to a lake. We just had the roof replaced so I'm wondering if it had something to do with that???

Treatment options appear to be sketchy. The last 6 pics on page 2 look a lot like my bites - although they seem to increase in size as time goes on, more like the last pic.
Warning, it's kind of gross...
http://www.badspiderbites.com/nggallery/page-69/page-2/

Have you been to a dr.? A Brown Recluse bite will not get better on its own. If you haven't, you should. They can give you meds that will stop the problem. Those things are worse than a Black Widow. They feel like a skeeter bite and then swell and look yucky.

[Amy]

For sure Nawny-that is the million dollah ? I would luv the answer to. If Liar had not learned so young to manipulate would she be a socio who kills? I luv that-she didn't put the body there so therefore she didn't commit the murder theory. What a joke :seeya:

Yeah, like we all know there has never, ever, in the history of the world a time when the one who dumped the body was not the murderer!!!! GMAB!! They think no one in that jury will have read or heard about just such cases? But, I'm putting my farm on the theory that she dumped poor Caylee in addition to killing her. But, that's just me!!!!

[Nawny]

That is so sweet. :rose:




D*mn! I could go for one right now! I settle for the frozen ones when I can't get a sack, definately worth every bit of gas (burp) tee heeeeeee

http://i29.tinypic.com/f2nhxs.jpg I read about this guy Joey Chestnut who ate 103 Krystal burgers in one sitting....
I can do 5 murder burgers......anyone else? what's you limit?

White Castle burgers come frozen?? I never saw them here!! The last White Castle joint I saw was in Providence in the hood. If you are good at dodging bullets, it was okay to go there. They closed down a long time ago. How do I get these frozen burgers? I'm such a pig with burgers. I can eat a few, definitely! But, they have to be done up MY WAY! I make house burgers here. They're enough to kill a skinny person. ;) Yep "murder burgers"

o_s I missed you so much! The pictures are great!

[Nawny]

Yeah, like we all know there has never, ever, in the history of the world a time when the one who dumped the body was not the murderer!!!! GMAB!! They think no one in that jury will have read or heard about just such cases? But, I'm putting my farm on the theory that she dumped poor Caylee in addition to killing her. But, that's just me!!!!

Well that's just me too Amy! I know it wasn't BobbyBagadonuts who did it! This defense team is going to be the laughing stock of the world with their efforts to blame innocent people for her doings. They'd better stop drinking her kool aid real soon.

[Nawny]

I was wondering...

Is it possible that the state has clear evidence that liar is guilty, that they are not sharing with the defense team? I mean, can they do that? It would be great to see bozo with a raw omelet on his face..
Bad me :punch:

[Nawny]

Poppa needs his peanut gallory in the den. It's Sunday night movie time!

I'll be back later! :seeya:

[old_soul]

White Castle burgers come frozen?? I never saw them here!! The last White Castle joint I saw was in Providence in the hood. If you are good at dodging bullets, it was okay to go there. They closed down a long time ago. How do I get these frozen burgers? I'm such a pig with burgers. I can eat a few, definitely! But, they have to be done up MY WAY! I make house burgers here. They're enough to kill a skinny person. ;) Yep "murder burgers"

o_s I missed you so much! The pictures are great!

Yes, my honey, they package them and sell 'em in the supermarket! You prolly didn't see them because they are in the section with Mrs Pauls frozen fish testicle thingees, and the frozen cheese steak sandwiches. :D

Now mind you, they're not as good as fresh, of course, but I found out the trick to make 'em taste as close as possible. Skip their directions, and wrap 'em in paper towel, and cut down 30 seconds on the time suggested. Have your ketchup handy for a quick splat....

You probably have a couple of supermarkets you shop at..check 'em all. They sell both cheesburgers or the original hamburger.

[Amy]

It's all true, what you said. Alcoholism is a disease, and an addiction which is so hard to fight with. Even gamblers and drug users are on that bus and those addictions have destroyed as many families as alcohol. We are so powerless against addiction, but it doesn't stop us from loving them. I know from experiences in my life that addicts don't plan to mess up their lives... they just do. Someone always ends up hurt. :( Or a lot of someones)

I agree that Caylee's journey ended what would have been history repeated, but who am I to say? Life is a leap of fate, like Elton says. Everything is written and I'll be damned if I understand why terrible things happen. I can only do my best to love everyone no matter how much they make me cry. Like I said, one day I started pushing back and made them cry too. :shrug: Even puppies will bite after someone hits them on the head enough times.
I'm not Gandhi! :o

I understand your frustration about your angel. We want so much for the children, so much. :rose: The world is a changin! At 21 many girls have many kids by many fathers. All we can do is put the right stuff in their heads and pray harder.

Bolding mine.

So true. There is even encouragment to have those babies (or @ least one.) A niece and a friend's daughter each were told, when trying to get grants and ways to pay for college classes, that there was no help @ the time....but, if they were to have a baby, be a single mom....lots of help there. And, another niece and a co-worker both found that out. Not that they just went out to have babies to pay for school, but being single mothers pretty much paid their way.

I am pleased with the signs of maturity coming out in my own DD. She can be immature acting, plans for things--but not taking into account the work it takes to reach the goals. She was looking for assistance to pay for medical bills and was told...you guessed it. None for her now, but if she had a baby.....:flamemad:

She recently broke up w/her first serious fellow. I said, aren't you glad you didn't have a baby w/him? She said, they both WANTED babies, but the fellow had a bit of a drinking problem (which was why they broke up) and she didn't want to have a baby until he quit drinking.

[Amy]

Yes, my honey, they package them and sell 'em in the supermarket! You prolly didn't see them because they are in the section with Mrs Pauls frozen fish testicle thingees, and the frozen cheese steak sandwiches. :D

Now mind you, they're not as good as fresh, of course, but I found out the trick to make 'em taste as close as possible. Skip their directions, and wrap 'em in paper towel, and cut down 30 seconds on the time suggested. Have your ketchup handy for a quick splat....

You probably have a couple of supermarkets you shop at..check 'em all. They sell both cheesburgers or the original hamburger.

I don't know if they have them all the time here. But, I had heard about them (or read about them) and when I saw them, I bought some. I'll have to look again and follow YOUR directions, because I wondered what all the rave was about when I had them.

[Gatordog]

Life is very much full of surprises. I am a firm believer in some higher power that gives back what we lose if we just believe. I am so happy about our friendship baby.. you were so obviously good and I saw it right here. It's not too hard to see what people are made of through their writings. I think this entire group is filled with very special people.

I think we should get together some day. I'm still thinking Cocoa beach in the spring. I'll keep imagining it and betcha it comes true! :tongue: Poppa will have a very busy year at the agency and he gave me a thumbs up on it. If not that, then anyone who wants to visit New England is welcome here! Imagine if we all bonded and took one trip a year? I love that idea! Women make great friends. They are always supportive of each other too!


I'm so mushy.. :hat:

Edit: Whoops, Mr Napoleon!!! I didn't mean to exclude you.. we need Mrs. deacon here too!

I used to belong to a lighthouse forum and every two or three years the posters or members would have a reunion at a lighthouse location. I never got to attend, but they had a grand time. I think when the trial takes place it would be great to meet for a few days at a central location and watch together.

[Gatordog]

Well that's just me too Amy! I know it wasn't BobbyBagadonuts who did it! This defense team is going to be the laughing stock of the world with their efforts to blame innocent people for her doings. They'd better stop drinking her kool aid real soon.

Bobbybagadonuts!! :biggrin: Is he like Paulie Walnuts?

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy069.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew, I think you speak for many of us with sad childhoods and trying to climb out. With my family I just tell myself alcoholism is a disease and genetic. I cannot control them but I can control how I react to them for my sanity. I just concentrate on me as much as possible. (ex. circumstances)

When my niece was born I fell in love with her. just an angel. I took care of her as much as I could. Her mother never said no to her growing up. Of course she dropped out of H.S. did many drugs and alcohol, went from man to man and now is finally the mother of a baby at 21! the father of course is a drug addict she met from across the country and has no idea. the apple does not fall far from the tree and it scares me to think how Caylee would have turned out had she lived. So very sad. Her only chance would have been a different living situation and we know that would not happen. IMO sara

Good to hear from you, Sara. Bless you for trying to be a positive influence for your niece. We do what we can but ultimately, we only have control over our own thoughts, feelings, and actions. I had to learn the hard way that I can't control what others choose to do with their lives. I have 2 grown young "boys" in their 20's. I don't agree with alot of their choices but I love them no matter what. My request of them is to be honest with me so I know what I'm dealing with when they come to me with problems. They know I would never judge them as others in my family do. If they are honest, then we can get down to some real problem solving. I'm a believer that secrets about drugs/alcohol only erode the family system. My concern is my boys and myself. I've let go of trying to make sense out of the craziness in my family of origin. I bless them and release them. Then I bless myself and release me from their toxic functioning. It's the only way I can deal. JMO.
Love your post and Nawny's and Gator's. Oh, hell--I love everyone here! :rose:
Drew

[deacon]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

[Nawny]

Yes, my honey, they package them and sell 'em in the supermarket! You prolly didn't see them because they are in the section with Mrs Pauls frozen fish testicle thingees, and the frozen cheese steak sandwiches. :D

Now mind you, they're not as good as fresh, of course, but I found out the trick to make 'em taste as close as possible. Skip their directions, and wrap 'em in paper towel, and cut down 30 seconds on the time suggested. Have your ketchup handy for a quick splat....

You probably have a couple of supermarkets you shop at..check 'em all. They sell both cheesburgers or the original hamburger.

They sell them frozen with the bun too? I'll go check..near the testicles.. ROTFLMAO!

[SaraSidle]

Good to hear from you, Sara. Bless you for trying to be a positive influence for your niece. We do what we can but ultimately, we only have control over our own thoughts, feelings, and actions. I had to learn the hard way that I can't control what others choose to do with their lives. I have 2 grown young "boys" in their 20's. I don't agree with alot of their choices but I love them no matter what. My request of them is to be honest with me so I know what I'm dealing with when they come to me with problems. They know I would never judge them as others in my family do. If they are honest, then we can get down to some real problem solving. I'm a believer that secrets about drugs/alcohol only erode the family system. My concern is my boys and myself. I've let go of trying to make sense out of the craziness in my family of origin. I bless them and release them. Then I bless myself and release me from their toxic functioning. It's the only way I can deal. JMO.
Love your post and Nawny's and Gator's. Oh, hell--I love everyone here! :rose:
Drew

what a wonderful mother you are. I wish you had been mine!!! In fact I wish more moms were like you. Sounds like you have the right attitude even though it is waay hard to stick with it. very very painful
Like they say.......one day at a time. hugs sara

[DrewBerry]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

Deacon, of course we will keep you and your wife in our thoughts. Her reactions/responses are very common. PTSD will often be triggered by a significant event such as grandma's impending death. I'm hoping she will get thru this one somewhat easier than when ol' gramps died. Our body holds our memories. What she is dealing with is quite normal given the trauma she endured. She is lucky to have you. Sending healing energy your way. :rose:
Drew

[SaraSidle]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

That is going to be rough Deacon. I am so glad you are there for her and so understanding. hugging and listening is definitely the right thing to do and you seem to know that. If people talk people talk. It may be hard but I am at a point that I do not care. that is hard for most people and your wife is in a lot of pain to have kept it hidden makes it hurt more. I am sorry that she had to go through that. so sorry. lotsa of love and prayers all week
Please vent here if the need arises. that is what this board is about. sara

[Nawny]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

No need to delete this deacon. I believe we are all here for a reason, a good reason. What happened to your wife is devastating, and there will be triggers during this time perhaps, but she's gotten through the worst of it, it seems. Certainly, there is fear, but faith takes us through those times. Nothing real can be threatened IMO, and your love for her is so real. That old basturd couldn't break her. (or you!) You are strong sir and life is good. :)

When we are children, and those we trust hurt us, we bend, they break. My prayers are with you both. :rose:

[Nawny]

Bolding mine.

So true. There is even encouragment to have those babies (or @ least one.) A niece and a friend's daughter each were told, when trying to get grants and ways to pay for college classes, that there was no help @ the time....but, if they were to have a baby, be a single mom....lots of help there. And, another niece and a co-worker both found that out. Not that they just went out to have babies to pay for school, but being single mothers pretty much paid their way.

I am pleased with the signs of maturity coming out in my own DD. She can be immature acting, plans for things--but not taking into account the work it takes to reach the goals. She was looking for assistance to pay for medical bills and was told...you guessed it. None for her now, but if she had a baby.....:flamemad:

She recently broke up w/her first serious fellow. I said, aren't you glad you didn't have a baby w/him? She said, they both WANTED babies, but the fellow had a bit of a drinking problem (which was why they broke up) and she didn't want to have a baby until he quit drinking.

THANK GOD!!!!!! She's smarter than I was! I got an honorary PhD in that class and lots of scars with it! It's a terrible life for a young girl to be married to a guy who likes Budweiser a little more than he likes his wife and children. It's a no win situation. Bless her! Drinking men are emotionally unavailable at all times and you get to feeling like your not worth the skin your in. Smart girl!

Heh, they're having babies for money? WTF? Oh I am having a time of it getting used to young people today. I feel so old!

[Nawny]

Bobbybagadonuts!! :biggrin: Is he like Paulie Walnuts?

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy069.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Yeah he's like Paulie Walnuts LOL!LOL!LOL!!!! :D

[BeastofBears]

You and Mrs. deacon, and grandma deacon, are in our prayers out here, for peace all around.

[old_soul]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

deacon, our prayers and good wishes are with you and your wife as always, especially now with grandma.

Your second paragraph rang a bell with me, as you alluded to the above mentioned SOB when I talked about my stepfather a couple of months ago....
You have been a wonderfully supportive husband ...this will be one more time that this topic might possibly come up and together, you will put an 'end' to this hurt after this and finally your wife will be able to fully heal. You came through before, and you will come through again, that was the reason God did not let you know before. Though you already know, no child should have to live through this type of 'secret' as they are innocent, and the association with grandma/grandpa was always there (as it is for me)...she will relieve the memories and callous others will talk.

I pray for strength, and peace for you both in the following weeks. You're a good man, and you will know the right thing to say ~ and do.

Hope you don't mind my two cents....

:rose: for Grandma
:rose: for your Mrs.......and you too :)

[DrewBerry]

what a wonderful mother you are. I wish you had been mine!!! In fact I wish more moms were like you. Sounds like you have the right attitude even though it is waay hard to stick with it. very very painful
Like they say.......one day at a time. hugs sara

Oh, Sara, how sweet you are. Thank you for the compliments. When I had my boys I promised myself I would not be a mother like I had. My mother was a horrible, mean, abusive tyrant. Call it resilience, determination, or common sense, I was NEVER going to treat my children the way she treated me. Life is strange, isn't it. I could have easily become like her. My mother beat me on a daily basis yet I grew up with so much love to give to my boys. I think Nawny and I had an earlier conversation about this. Through the grace of God, I learned early on that I would be a very different mother. I've made my share of mistakes, but one thing I know for sure, my boys knew they were loved from the second they entered this world. I've never laid a hand on my children. Breaking that cycle of abuse. They are both very loving young men and have good hearts. My mother is still crazy and mean as ever. I have as little contact with her as possible. Oops, I rambling again. Anyway, I do appreciate your kind comments. :rose:
Wishing you the best,
Drew

[old_soul]

Oh, Sara, how sweet you are. Thank you for the compliments. When I had my boys I promised myself I would not be a mother like I had. My mother was a horrible, mean, abusive tyrant. Call it resilience, determination, or common sense, I was NEVER going to treat my children the way she treated me. Life is strange, isn't it. I could have easily become like her. My mother beat me on a daily basis yet I grew up with so much love to give to my boys. I think Nawny and I had an earlier conversation about this. Through the grace of God, I learned early on that I would be a very different mother. I've made my share of mistakes, but one thing I know for sure, my boys knew they were loved from the second they entered this world. I've never laid a hand on my children. Breaking that cycle of abuse. They are both very loving young men and have good hearts. My mother is still crazy and mean as ever. I have as little contact with her as possible. Oops, I rambling again. Anyway, I do appreciate your kind comments. :rose:
Wishing you the best,
Drew

Strength is what made you the little black sheep we know and love :)
:rose:

[Nawny]

Hey guys? I just saw 2 odd looking animals outside.. the sensor lights went on and right outside my kitchen window where I sit, I saw these medium sized creatures with horizontal black stripes on their tails and they were not raccoons or possums.. anyone?

[Amy]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

:rose::rose::rose:

[Nawny]

deacon, our prayers and good wishes are with you and your wife as always, especially now with grandma.

Your second paragraph rang a bell with me, as you alluded to the above mentioned SOB when I talked about my stepfather a couple of months ago....
You have been a wonderfully supportive husband ...this will be one more time that this topic might possibly come up and together, you will put an 'end' to this hurt after this and finally your wife will be able to fully heal. You came through before, and you will come through again, that was the reason God did not let you know before. Though you already know, no child should have to live through this type of 'secret' as they are innocent, and the association with grandma/grandpa was always there (as it is for me)...she will relieve the memories and callous others will talk.

I pray for strength, and peace for you both in the following weeks. You're a good man, and you will know the right thing to say ~ and do.

Hope you don't mind my two cents....

:rose: for Grandma
:rose: for your Mrs.......and you too :)

Isn't it sort of like trying to get across a burning bridge before it caves in? Some stand at the threshold and never attempt to get across. This is bad because it keeps you vulnerable to all the millions of triggers from books to TV movies and even smells and children at certain ages you may see in a store. Also deaths of family members who knew the truth and denied it.
Some walk into the fire and stand there until they are destroyed because they believe they are bad and should be destroyed. Then there are those black sheep who walked through it and don't fall off. They come out the other side of the bridge and are scourged but stronger for it. Scars don't bleed.

:rose:

[Amy]

Hey guys? I just saw 2 odd looking animals outside.. the sensor lights went on and right outside my kitchen window where I sit, I saw these medium sized creatures with horizontal black stripes on their tails and they were not raccoons or possums.. anyone?

Do you all have zebras in the wild there? If not, I'd be calling the nearest zoo to see if any have escaped from there. Don't think it's Halloween or April's Fool day, about the only two times I can think of humans dressing up that way.

[old_soul]

Hey guys? I just saw 2 odd looking animals outside.. the sensor lights went on and right outside my kitchen window where I sit, I saw these medium sized creatures with horizontal black stripes on their tails and they were not raccoons or possums.. anyone?

Good Lord! Sounds like Pierre le Peau! Don't feed 'em! http://i29.tinypic.com/xcu83o.gif


(http://i27.tinypic.com/azcghl.jpg) http://i27.tinypic.com/351v5o6.jpg

[Nawny]

Good Lord! Sounds like Pierre le Peau! Don't feed 'em! http://i29.tinypic.com/xcu83o.gif


(http://i27.tinypic.com/azcghl.jpg) http://i27.tinypic.com/351v5o6.jpg

Hey, thanks girls! :punch: Your'e a big help!

Now I can't look them up on Google because I don't know what they are.. I'm going to try to google striped tails. Groundhogs maybe?


Never mind. :hat: They probably smelled the meatballs. I had the window opened.

[BeastofBears]

Hey guys? I just saw 2 odd looking animals outside.. the sensor lights went on and right outside my kitchen window where I sit, I saw these medium sized creatures with horizontal black stripes on their tails and they were not raccoons or possums.. anyone?

A pair of escaped lemurs? http://i29.tinypic.com/20hpunr.jpg

[old_soul]

Hey, thanks girls! :punch: Your'e a big help!

Now I can't look them up on Google because I don't know what they are.. I'm going to try to google striped tails. Groundhogs maybe?


Never mind. :hat: They probably smelled the meatballs. I had the window opened.

Hey nawn, I swear, they're prolly skunks, and they did smell the meatballs! They like good food!

We once had a skunk, big sucker too, who opened up the garbage bag (which DH never put in the garage :rolleyes:) and feasted on chicken, corn and watermelon leftover from our bbq...we yelled screamed, even put my daughter's boom box out the window blaring Led Zeppelin. 3 feet away, and he sat there and ate for 10 minutes like we weren't there!

groundhogs are brown like our woodchuck (@#$*!) family in the backyard. Maybe possum? But, they have a tail like a rat, but thicker & white...

[Nawny]

A pair of escaped lemurs? http://i29.tinypic.com/20hpunr.jpg

Nope! Looked them up, they don't have ring like stripes around their tails. I can't find these online. They're not, skunks, possums, groundhogs, raccoons or anything I saw on the list of rodents. Hmmm.. I need to know. I'll keep looking! I'm a city girl you understand. Poppa planted me here with the stranger animals. I know the city animals very well, they have 2 feet. ;)

[Nawny]

Hey nawn, I swear, they're prolly skunks, and they did smell the meatballs! They like good food!

We once had a skunk, big sucker too, who opened up the garbage bag (which DH never put in the garage :rolleyes:) and feasted on chicken, corn and watermelon leftover from our bbq...we yelled screamed, even put my daughter's boom box out the window blaring Led Zeppelin. 3 feet away, and he sat there and ate for 10 minutes like we weren't there!

groundhogs are brown like our woodchuck (@#$*!) family in the backyard. Maybe possum? But, they have a tail like a rat, but thicker & white...

Ah yeah the skunks! THey hate mothballs but so do I and my yard stunk to high heaven!

Thanks I'll look up woodchuck.

[Nawny]

Yep, looks like a woodchuck. But what do they want? They were in the area where I throw out bird food, like stale bread and left over potato chips.. for the squirrels.. but I haven't thrown out anything for days.. hmmmm.

BTW I just saw a blurb on CNN homepage about the guy who killed the bathing suit model. They found him dead. Good. It'll save us tax payers the cost of a trial.

[BeastofBears]

Nope! Looked them up, they don't have ring like stripes around their tails. I can't find these online. They're not, skunks, possums, groundhogs, raccoons or anything I saw on the list of rodents. Hmmm.. I need to know. I'll keep looking! I'm a city girl you understand. Poppa planted me here with the stranger animals. I know the city animals very well, they have 2 feet. ;)

You've eliminated normal stuff, Nawny...I hope its not a herd of Montauk Monsters or Chupacabras!

[Nawny]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/23/california.model.death/index.html

CNN report so far on the swimsuit model's killer.

[BeastofBears]

Yep, looks like a woodchuck. But what do they want? They were in the area where I throw out bird food, like stale bread and left over potato chips.. for the squirrels.. but I haven't thrown out anything for days.. hmmmm.

BTW I just saw a blurb on CNN homepage about the guy who killed the bathing suit model. They found him dead. Good. It'll save us tax payers the cost of a trial.

Yeah, too bad some poor motel worker has to clean up after him. Scum. (does that require an imo?)

[Nawny]

You've eliminated normal stuff, Nawny...I hope its not a herd of Montauk Monsters or Chupacabras!

:punch:

[old_soul]

Nawn ~

read this.....
http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/B/Bassariscus_astutus/

Here are photos.....http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/B/Bassariscus_astutus/

[BeastofBears]

:punch:

Hey, better them than him, lol!
http://i21.tinypic.com/sawmx5.jpg

[Nawny]

Nawn ~

read this.....
http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/B/Bassariscus_astutus/

Here are photos.....http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/B/Bassariscus_astutus/

I couldn't bring up the pics but it sounds like the right thing and this house has a very high granite wall around it, so that makes sense that they like it here. They like rock. Also I live across the street from a river that runs right thru most of RI, so there's the water which brings deer and other strange animals. Though it was dark, they didn't look buff white, but then again, I couldn't see their underbelly. They looked dark but the description of the tails was correct. So how do ya say the name of those Mother effer's? Bassaricus! I'll shoot um if they try to get my meatballs!

[BeastofBears]

:seeya: 'night!

[Nawny]

:seeya: 'night!

Night dolly.. me too, I have a lot to do tomorrow. It's floor. laundry, bed changing, clean bathroom day, until the weebs get here then it starts all over again on Tuesday. :cuss:

Thanks for the comic wisdom tonight!:seeya:

[Nawny]

Hey, better them than him, lol!
http://i21.tinypic.com/sawmx5.jpg

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT IS THAT???? :chicken:

[deacon]

deacon, our prayers and good wishes are with you and your wife as always, especially now with grandma.

Your second paragraph rang a bell with me, as you alluded to the above mentioned SOB when I talked about my stepfather a couple of months ago....
You have been a wonderfully supportive husband ...this will be one more time that this topic might possibly come up and together, you will put an 'end' to this hurt after this and finally your wife will be able to fully heal. You came through before, and you will come through again, that was the reason God did not let you know before. Though you already know, no child should have to live through this type of 'secret' as they are innocent, and the association with grandma/grandpa was always there (as it is for me)...she will relieve the memories and callous others will talk.
I pray for strength, and peace for you both in the following weeks. You're a good man, and you will know the right thing to say ~ and do.

Hope you don't mind my two cents....

:rose: for Grandma
:rose: for your Mrs.......and you too :)

No one else knows about him unless he did it to someone else. Which wouldn't suprise me in the least. She was scared to tell anyone becahse she didn't think they would believe her or would blame her. That is a thought I had trouble coming to grips with. She didn't trust anyone enough to tell them.

[deacon]

Thanks ladies.

[shadydaisy]

Deacon - I've read your wife's story and there is something I can share with you. I'm not sure how Mrs. D really feels about her grandmother, conflicted? Anyway, years ago my mother's mother (let's call her Jeanette) died at the age of 95. Jeanette always lived with us when I was a child, and the short version is she was verbally and physically abusive to me from the time I was a toddler until I left for college at 17, and I never went home again. I went on to have children and for some reason looking at my kids brought back a lot of painful stuff that I had suppressed for years and years. Bottom line - the day day she died was liberating for me. I felt free and no longer had to pretend everything was peachy keen. A burden had been lifted. That chapter of my life was officially closed. I hope Mrs. D finds some peace, one way or another.

BTW, my mother does not believe her mother abused me at all. She chose to ignore all the signs and there were plenty. Other people picked up on it but this was the early 60's and no one could do anything.

[beemer]

Deacon - I've read your wife's story and there is something I can share with you. I'm not sure how Mrs. D really feels about her grandmother, conflicted? Anyway, years ago my mother's mother (let's call her Jeanette) died at the age of 95. Jeanette always lived with us when I was a child, and the short version is she was verbally and physically abusive to me from the time I was a toddler until I left for college at 17, and I never went home again. I went on to have children and for some reason looking at my kids brought back a lot of painful stuff that I had suppressed for years and years. Bottom line - the day day she died was liberating for me. I felt free and no longer had to pretend everything was peachy keen. A burden had been lifted. That chapter of my life was officially closed. I hope Mrs. D finds some peace, one way or another.

BTW, my mother does not believe her mother abused me at all. She chose to ignore all the signs and there were plenty. Other people picked up on it but this was the early 60's and no one could do anything.

I'm glad u dealt Shady and came thru the other side. I am sorry you had to go thru that. Abuse of any kind is so horrific. Yes years ago there was not the help and the knowledge there is today. Deacon i am sorry your wife had to endure. I would just like to pass on a thought that may help you. Sexual abuse of a child as we know creates all the feelings your wife had/has. I know you know that. The ability to trust of course is compromised. Thats the horrific part of the effect an abuser has on a victim. I think a part of that it not so much that your wife did not trust enough to tell but she did not trust herself. I am speaking to as she became an adult. Once that floodgate opens its not an easy road. You will both get thru this and be stronger because of it. If the road gets tough and i suspect it may while on this death journey there are some excellent counselling services to help. Everything she is feeling is very normal as well as her reaction. Its good she is outing it as hard as it is. Good Luck and keep us posted :rose:

[Gatordog]

My wife's grandma is in the hospital. She is 89 and her body systems are shutting down. Her hemoglobin was very, very low when she went in and was the reason she had to go. She has been on shots for about 3 years for this and they have stopped working. The had to do a blood transfusion this time. She had triple bypass surgery about 5 years ago and now the main valve in her heart has become partially blocked. She isn't in good enough shape to do surgery for this because of the other problems. She had cardiac arrest twice last week but they kept her going. One day soon, I am afraid, they will not be able to help. She is a sweet, tough lady and I will really, really miss her when she is gone on. She will be in a much, much better place so it will be sorrow for me and not for her. Once she gets there she wouldn't come back for anything and I would just as soon wait until I get there to see her again.

Now, on to the biggest problem. This is going to bring back some really bad memorys for my wife. Will you folks promise me to never say anything about this? I may come back and delete this later. My wife was sexually abused by her grandfather when she was about 6. She had hidden this, sort of, for many years but it came back to the surface the night he died. That was a really bad night and for the next week neither of us slept much. She crying and me holding her and trying to comfort her. She has almost gotten it behind her and her hate for him is about gone. I am just afraid that this is going to come back when people start talking once Grandma dies. (long story)

That is one way I know that there is a God. He kept me from knowing until that piece of manure was dead. If I would have found out before, he would have died and I would be in jail now instead of talking to you.

Just remember us this coming week. Thanks.

Oh Deacon. My heart is breaking for your wife and for you. The pain that children have to endure is terrible. So many young girls have secrets that the keep until their adult years. I let go of mine my crying and crying one day in a therapist's office. I had anger issues and went to talk to someone. Well one day it spilled out and she let me cry until I was almost screaming. If your wife gets upset, don't stop her from letting it out. Just hold her until she can't cry any longer. Maybe you should talk to her and ask her how she wants to handle it and go from there. Perhaps if people start talking about old times, you can have a signal with her which means, make an excuse to leave. You know, if it happened to her, most likely it happened to others. Perhaps there won't be many fond memories afterall. You are both in my prayers. :rose:

Joanne

[Gatordog]

Nope! Looked them up, they don't have ring like stripes around their tails. I can't find these online. They're not, skunks, possums, groundhogs, raccoons or anything I saw on the list of rodents. Hmmm.. I need to know. I'll keep looking! I'm a city girl you understand. Poppa planted me here with the stranger animals. I know the city animals very well, they have 2 feet. ;)

Hey, where are your two sisters? Maybe they are in disguise and trying to get some of those meatballs for themselves! If those ring tailed creatures start smoking, look closer!

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[BeastofBears]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT IS THAT???? :chicken:

It is Sam, the former winner of the world's ugliest dog contest. He has gone to Doggy Heaven, where no doubt he looks a lot better.

[beemer]

Glad you dealt Gator. I am sorry you had to go thru a tough time. For sure the anger stage is one of the most important stages to get out. Anger is many emotions rolled up into one. Yes you can bet where there is one victim there are many :rose:

[beemer]

It is Sam, the former winner of the world's ugliest dog contest. He has gone to Doggy Heaven, where no doubt he looks a lot better.

I thought i recognized that face ;) I remember seeing that on tv. Poor thing to be so nasty looking. I wonder if he had a makeover. Not sure what you could do with him? I'll bet his owner's luv him just the same.

[deacon]

Deacon - I've read your wife's story and there is something I can share with you. I'm not sure how Mrs. D really feels about her grandmother, conflicted? Anyway, years ago my mother's mother (let's call her Jeanette) died at the age of 95. Jeanette always lived with us when I was a child, and the short version is she was verbally and physically abusive to me from the time I was a toddler until I left for college at 17, and I never went home again. I went on to have children and for some reason looking at my kids brought back a lot of painful stuff that I had suppressed for years and years. Bottom line - the day day she died was liberating for me. I felt free and no longer had to pretend everything was peachy keen. A burden had been lifted. That chapter of my life was officially closed. I hope Mrs. D finds some peace, one way or another.

BTW, my mother does not believe her mother abused me at all. She chose to ignore all the signs and there were plenty. Other people picked up on it but this was the early 60's and no one could do anything.

She loves her grandma like a mother. That may be one reason she stayed quiet. Anyway, I hope she doesn't go into the "funk" again. It hurt her which hurts me and brings my anger out. That isn't good.

[deacon]

Oh Deacon. My heart is breaking for your wife and for you. The pain that children have to endure is terrible. So many young girls have secrets that the keep until their adult years. I let go of mine my crying and crying one day in a therapist's office. I had anger issues and went to talk to someone. Well one day it spilled out and she let me cry until I was almost screaming. If your wife gets upset, don't stop her from letting it out. Just hold her until she can't cry any longer. Maybe you should talk to her and ask her how she wants to handle it and go from there. Perhaps if people start talking about old times, you can have a signal with her which means, make an excuse to leave. You know, if it happened to her, most likely it happened to others. Perhaps there won't be many fond memories afterall. You are both in my prayers. :rose:

Joanne

That is what I did. Thanks.

[beemer]

She loves her grandma like a mother. That may be one reason she stayed quiet. Anyway, I hope she doesn't go into the "funk" again. It hurt her which hurts me and brings my anger out. That isn't good.

I urge you deacon not to show your anger. I more than understand it. If she is having low periods she needs to talk to somebody. My husband was a rock for me during my bad time at the death of a best friend as many here know. He held me when i did cry and listened when i talked. I really thought i had dealt. I was far from it not realizing what a profound affect her death had on me. Hubby did all the right things but it was not enough. I could not figure out why when i came to my senses that i was not dealing. It was not until i sought a therapist did i come to know i never allowed myself to grieve fully. One surprising thing was that i was also experiencing a bit of survivors guilt. We had shared our first cig together and got caught. It was brought up many times between our families over the years. Nobody brought it up again when she was diagnosed with stage 4 lung at 47. I questioned why her and not me. I luved her so much and in my eyes she was just the best person i will ever know. In life and thru her death journey. I share this with you just to say there are many emotions and thoughts going thru your wife's mind. Some she will not even be aware of. You are too emotionally attached to this and of course your angry that someone you luv was hurt in such a horrific manner. I hope she will seek someone to talk to and be there after with a candlelit bubblebath,box of kleenex and your shoulder for her to cry on. I'm sure it's frustrating for you as to how to help her. It's our nature as women to suppress things as we are the caretakers. I truly hope your wife will seek out someone to help her :rose:

[beemer]

That is what I did. Thanks.

We here can tell you have a big heart and luv your wife dearly. Thats why you are one of the sisterhood. What you have done is truly all you can do. Let the pro's draw it all out of her. Then your part of being there for her will be just the best medicine. It's a hard journey but in the end it sets you free :rose:

[Nawny]

Oh Deacon. My heart is breaking for your wife and for you. The pain that children have to endure is terrible. So many young girls have secrets that the keep until their adult years. I let go of mine my crying and crying one day in a therapist's office. I had anger issues and went to talk to someone. Well one day it spilled out and she let me cry until I was almost screaming. If your wife gets upset, don't stop her from letting it out. Just hold her until she can't cry any longer. Maybe you should talk to her and ask her how she wants to handle it and go from there. Perhaps if people start talking about old times, you can have a signal with her which means, make an excuse to leave. You know, if it happened to her, most likely it happened to others. Perhaps there won't be many fond memories afterall. You are both in my prayers. :rose:

Joanne

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ITA, Pervs do not discriminate. They don't even have favorites! Those basturds!

[Nawny]

It is Sam, the former winner of the world's ugliest dog contest. He has gone to Doggy Heaven, where no doubt he looks a lot better.

Oooo, poor baby! He looked like he was smiling though.. :(

[beemer]

Oops sorry-my brain didn't absorb the part that Sam had passed :rose:

[Nawny]

Deacon - I've read your wife's story and there is something I can share with you. I'm not sure how Mrs. D really feels about her grandmother, conflicted? Anyway, years ago my mother's mother (let's call her Jeanette) died at the age of 95. Jeanette always lived with us when I was a child, and the short version is she was verbally and physically abusive to me from the time I was a toddler until I left for college at 17, and I never went home again. I went on to have children and for some reason looking at my kids brought back a lot of painful stuff that I had suppressed for years and years. Bottom line - the day day she died was liberating for me. I felt free and no longer had to pretend everything was peachy keen. A burden had been lifted. That chapter of my life was officially closed. I hope Mrs. D finds some peace, one way or another.

BTW, my mother does not believe her mother abused me at all. She chose to ignore all the signs and there were plenty. Other people picked up on it but this was the early 60's and no one could do anything.


How sad that is ShadeyD. I can understand why you felt liberated. Maybe your mom was in denial because she was raised by her and it's nearly impossible for a child to grow up hating their mother?

I always think of that kid who had to take the stand in a trial for her own mother who was up on abuse charges. The state asked her who she wanted to live with and she said, my mother. That little girl had cigarette burns all over her body. It's a very intense dilemma to be the child of an abuser because I think, the mind cannot compute the horrors.

It's been said that the mind has a shut off valve in order to keep the child surviving. No one really knows why we block it out, (If not to save the entire family from disolving) but I really do believe we have to reprocess it for a while. I'm no shrink, but I saw a few, and they're not always wrapped tight either. ;)

Black Sheep nawny

[Nawny]

We here can tell you have a big heart and luv your wife dearly. Thats why you are one of the sisterhood. What you have done is truly all you can do. Let the pro's draw it all out of her. Then your part of being there for her will be just the best medicine. It's a hard journey but in the end it sets you free :rose:



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Great post Beem!



I'm supposed to be cleaning this museum. Bad me.. I can't get out of this place.. This subject always fascinated me! Hold on and good luck deacon!

[Nawny]

I urge you deacon not to show your anger. I more than understand it. If she is having low periods she needs to talk to somebody. My husband was a rock for me during my bad time at the death of a best friend as many here know. He held me when i did cry and listened when i talked. I really thought i had dealt. I was far from it not realizing what a profound affect her death had on me. Hubby did all the right things but it was not enough. I could not figure out why when i came to my senses that i was not dealing. It was not until i sought a therapist did i come to know i never allowed myself to grieve fully. One surprising thing was that i was also experiencing a bit of survivors guilt. We had shared our first cig together and got caught. It was brought up many times between our families over the years. Nobody brought it up again when she was diagnosed with stage 4 lung at 47. I questioned why her and not me. I luved her so much and in my eyes she was just the best person i will ever know. In life and thru her death journey. I share this with you just to say there are many emotions and thoughts going thru your wife's mind. Some she will not even be aware of. You are too emotionally attached to this and of course your angry that someone you luv was hurt in such a horrific manner. I hope she will seek someone to talk to and be there after with a candlelit bubblebath,box of kleenex and your shoulder for her to cry on. I'm sure it's frustrating for you as to how to help her. It's our nature as women to suppress things as we are the caretakers. I truly hope your wife will seek out someone to help her :rose:

Wow! I just got a few angel hugs. Perfect words for a sad subject.

"Love is all there is, and that is all we know of love":rose:

[beemer]

Thanks Nawners :rose: I have a good friend who now works in Victims Services-her way of giving back. She was abused physically,mentally and sexually by BOTH her parents :eek: After a failed marriage she sought help. She ended pressing charges against both and won. In the process she lost family members and many in the community she was from thought she was crazy. She went back to school and earned her degree. I met her thru the agency i work for and we often worked together. It was a tough road but she did what she had to do for herself. Long after the trial and family members who hung her out to dry at the time slowly came forward and shared their abuse at her parents hands. She welcomed them with open arms and some real healing began. She is one classy lady :rose:

[Gatordog]

Just realized that now that we found Old Soul - we've lost SamanthaJane.

Maybe she's on vacation. :shrug:

Gator

[old_soul]

SJ was just posting in the Good News thread about the WTC beam...I have to run out for a bit, but you can track her down..she's got them busy little fingers ya know...:)

[Nawny]

Thanks Nawners :rose: I have a good friend who now works in Victims Services-her way of giving back. She was abused physically,mentally and sexually by BOTH her parents :eek: After a failed marriage she sought help. She ended pressing charges against both and won. In the process she lost family members and many in the community she was from thought she was crazy. She went back to school and earned her degree. I met her thru the agency i work for and we often worked together. It was a tough road but she did what she had to do for herself. Long after the trial and family members who hung her out to dry at the time slowly came forward and shared their abuse at her parents hands. She welcomed them with open arms and some real healing began. She is one classy lady :rose:

OMG! I just got some more angel hugs! Tell her to write the book for the children who don't have to let it kill them.

That is the bomb Bree! Damn straight!
:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

[deacon]

I urge you deacon not to show your anger. I more than understand it. If she is having low periods she needs to talk to somebody. My husband was a rock for me during my bad time at the death of a best friend as many here know. He held me when i did cry and listened when i talked. I really thought i had dealt. I was far from it not realizing what a profound affect her death had on me. Hubby did all the right things but it was not enough. I could not figure out why when i came to my senses that i was not dealing. It was not until i sought a therapist did i come to know i never allowed myself to grieve fully. One surprising thing was that i was also experiencing a bit of survivors guilt. We had shared our first cig together and got caught. It was brought up many times between our families over the years. Nobody brought it up again when she was diagnosed with stage 4 lung at 47. I questioned why her and not me. I luved her so much and in my eyes she was just the best person i will ever know. In life and thru her death journey. I share this with you just to say there are many emotions and thoughts going thru your wife's mind. Some she will not even be aware of. You are too emotionally attached to this and of course your angry that someone you luv was hurt in such a horrific manner. I hope she will seek someone to talk to and be there after with a candlelit bubblebath,box of kleenex and your shoulder for her to cry on. I'm sure it's frustrating for you as to how to help her. It's our nature as women to suppress things as we are the caretakers. I truly hope your wife will seek out someone to help her :rose:

No, I will not show anger. She talked to our pastor about this a while ago and it really got better. I am just afraid that when Grandma goes it may bring it out because of what some of her aunts may say. Her grandpa was a drunk that ran around on his wife and for some reason after he died he became a saint in their eyes.

What I am afraid will happen is that they were hiding something themselves and it may come out after Grandma is gone. Then if they find out it happened to her my inlaws will go ballistic. Specially my FIL. He may dig him up and kill him again. She knows how I feel about him ur I mean it. He had no redemeing qualities if you ask me. I just don't show it. I go out and take it out on a little white ball or target practice.:)

Our pastor is a licensed councelor. Not a religious one but a "real" one. I have seen too many that say they are but they can not be because they do not have the person's real interest at heart. They use it as a plaform to preach garbage that is wrong and does not need to be said. Our pastor is a great guy and a great pastor so we trust him. His wife has a degree in psychology and his PHD is in philosophy. That is a combination for you.

[deacon]

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ITA, Pervs do not discriminate. They don't even have favorites! Those basturds!

Now do you folks understand why I hate predators?

[Nawny]

Now do you folks understand why I hate predators?

Of course deacon.


Predators are coming in all shapes and sizes these days. Grandpas, funny uncles and the quiet old guy next door are all what we think of in our minds when we think pervert. But there are those nice lady teachers, soft ivory skinned mothers, great friends of the family with plaid flannel shirts on and bearing gifts on Christmas and of course there are those baby sitters! It's a time for a little less trust. Even the fathers today are not tickling their little girls any more.

We are watching the little girls and boys closer. It's a rare day when I even see little kids playing outside in their own yards where I live. My own weebles have back yards that look like fortresses. No front yard activity anymore. (Even at my house) Sadly, we are more aware but for good reason huh... In almost every family, history has shown that little children were vulnerable. We baby boomers are all aware of the perils of childhood. It's out there!

I hope that makes our kids safer from the Coueys and the grandfathers who took their sickness and spread it all around the innocence of unsuspecting kids.

It makes it okay to swear a lot. The F SOB's! Ya know what else? I do swear when I see a story like Mrs. deacon's. Give her a hug for me! If she has to deal with anyone who canonized her grandfather, tell her to make the first shot good! Now days they are arresting the people who knew what was happening and did nothing. So tell them to stay in their hidey hole.

[deacon]

Of course deacon.


Predators are coming in all shapes and sizes these days. Grandpas, funny uncles and the quiet old guy next door are all what we think of in our minds when we think pervert. But there are those nice lady teachers, soft ivory skinned mothers, great friends of the family with plaid flannel shirts on and bearing gifts on Christmas and of course there are those baby sitters! It's a time for a little less trust. Even the fathers today are not tickling their little girls any more.

We are watching the little girls and boys closer. It's a rare day when I even see little kids playing outside in their own yards where I live. My own weebles have back yards that look like fortresses. No front yard activity anymore. (Even at my house) Sadly, we are more aware but for good reason huh... In almost every family, history has shown that little children were vulnerable. We baby boomers are all aware of the perils of childhood. It's out there!

I hope that makes our kids safer from the Coueys and the grandfathers who took their sickness and spread it all around the innocence of unsuspecting kids.

It makes it okay to swear a lot. The F SOB's! Ya know what else? I do swear when I see a story like Mrs. deacon's. Give her a hug for me! If she has to deal with anyone who canonized her grandfather, tell her to make the first shot good! Now days they are arresting the people who knew what was happening and did nothing. So tell them to stay in their hidey hole.

I like back yards with fences and a great big dog. You know,the one who would take you flippin head off if you mess with the child? Funny, she has a friend who has dobbies. Those three dogs love her to death. Better leave mrs. d alone around those three.



Or be lunch.

[BeastofBears]

Just wanted to say, been noting that a lot of us are having a really rough time the last few weeks. I sure have you all in my thoughts! :rose:

[BeastofBears]

Of course deacon.


Predators are coming in all shapes and sizes these days. Grandpas, funny uncles and the quiet old guy next door are all what we think of in our minds when we think pervert. But there are those nice lady teachers, soft ivory skinned mothers, great friends of the family with plaid flannel shirts on and bearing gifts on Christmas and of course there are those baby sitters! It's a time for a little less trust. Even the fathers today are not tickling their little girls any more.

We are watching the little girls and boys closer. It's a rare day when I even see little kids playing outside in their own yards where I live. My own weebles have back yards that look like fortresses. No front yard activity anymore. (Even at my house) Sadly, we are more aware but for good reason huh... In almost every family, history has shown that little children were vulnerable. We baby boomers are all aware of the perils of childhood. It's out there!

I hope that makes our kids safer from the Coueys and the grandfathers who took their sickness and spread it all around the innocence of unsuspecting kids.

It makes it okay to swear a lot. The F SOB's! Ya know what else? I do swear when I see a story like Mrs. deacon's. Give her a hug for me! If she has to deal with anyone who canonized her grandfather, tell her to make the first shot good! Now days they are arresting the people who knew what was happening and did nothing. So tell them to stay in their hidey hole.

The world is so unfair. A neighbor of ours is a stay-at-home dad with a boy the same age as mine. We go over there. He is always offering to watch Dboo so I can build the playhouse, paint the house, etc. but I just don't have the heart to tell him I can trust no one like that :( I know how much it will hurt him because I know how bad my hubby feels when he thinks people are looking at him funny out alone with Dboo. No matter how trustworthy someone seems, you just can't take the risk because the damage is forever! Even relatives...unbelievable.

I wish we could wipe all the pervs out so us normal people could enjoy our lives and our children could be innocent...

[deacon]

Just wanted to say, been noting that a lot of us are having a really rough time the last few weeks. I sure have you all in my thoughts! :rose:

WE will survive. "What does not kill you makes you stronger."

Thanks to every one.:rose:

[Nawny]

I got weebles wobbles tomorrow.. goodnight everybody. :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

I got weebles wobbles tomorrow.. goodnight everybody. :seeya:

good night Nawny

[Marian Paroo]

Okay, Larry King had Susan Smith's ex-husband on.

They talked about the nine days 'til she confessed.

I gotta say nobody here (Israel) believed a word she said.

Why did so many Americans fall for her story?

[Amy]

Okay, Larry King had Susan Smith's ex-husband on.

They talked about the nine days 'til she confessed.

I gotta say nobody here (Israel) believed a word she said.

Why did so many Americans fall for her story?

I guess cuz especially back then, when there was little publicity about mom's offing their own kids, we did not want to believe a parent could kill his/her own child. But, I was one of those who, just by watching her performances on tv, did not believe a word she said. Even DD, @ 14, the first time she saw SS on tv, she asked, what is wrong w/her? She isn't even faking crying very good.

[Marian Paroo]

I'm 55.

I remember the Alice Crimmins trial (divorcee on trial for killing her two children) very, very well.

It was back in the mid-60s.

[Nawny]

I guess cuz especially back then, when there was little publicity about mom's offing their own kids, we did not want to believe a parent could kill his/her own child. But, I was one of those who, just by watching her performances on tv, did not believe a word she said. Even DD, @ 14, the first time she saw SS on tv, she asked, what is wrong w/her? She isn't even faking crying very good.

I remember Susan S. and she was a bad actress. Didn't need to call on gut feeling in that case at all! You're so right about not "wanting" to believe such a thing was possible. There was one guy I sensed did it to his infant son right here in Woosocket, RI. around 20 years ago. He was very believable standing on the steps weeping for his son who he claimed was kidnapped. That was the worst story I ever remember.

The baby was only 9 months old. He was reported kidnapped through an open window on the 2nd floor of a building they lived in (ladder included) When they found the baby dead on a landing in an old vacant factory building they also found that he had been sodomized. (By the FATHER)
I didn't even know that was physically possible.. That was one desperate pedophile there! Seems he didn't expect the baby to die, then staged the kidnapping. He's rotting like an old apple in jail now, along with his bride.

[Nawny]

The world is so unfair. A neighbor of ours is a stay-at-home dad with a boy the same age as mine. We go over there. He is always offering to watch Dboo so I can build the playhouse, paint the house, etc. but I just don't have the heart to tell him I can trust no one like that :( I know how much it will hurt him because I know how bad my hubby feels when he thinks people are looking at him funny out alone with Dboo. No matter how trustworthy someone seems, you just can't take the risk because the damage is forever! Even relatives...unbelievable.

I wish we could wipe all the pervs out so us normal people could enjoy our lives and our children could be innocent...


Yep! Even relatives BoB. :(

[beemer]

I am glad to hear Deacon your wife has sought someone to counsel her.Maybe right now when services are over would be a very good time for her to go in again and perhaps yourself? Getting it out there might be a plan and together you can figure out how to handle this if it does come out. Yes the sainthood syndrome. Some folks only wanna remember any of the few good times and hang onto that. Keeps them from have to deal with issues themselves. I have to admit when my FIL passed I had some anger as well. I only knew him as a kind loving man. In his prior years he was hell on wheels. A tyrant! MIL put him on a pedestal and still does. I have moved on and just chalked it up to exhaustion with his vigil. I get that in order to deal she hangs onto the good years. She is too old and old school to ever admit he had an effect on his children. My hubbie got help at 18. Two siblings never did and for lack of better words are losers in my eyes. I wish you both well in these trying days ahead :rose: Please let us know how things are. I know you and Mrs. d will get thru this. For now i shall keep you both in my prayers :rose:

[BeastofBears]

Okay, Larry King had Susan Smith's ex-husband on.

They talked about the nine days 'til she confessed.

I gotta say nobody here (Israel) believed a word she said.

Why did so many Americans fall for her story?

Nobody I knew believed her, either. But there was that little tiny 'what if it's true' so a lot of people kept their suspicions to themselves...now, after all that's hit the news since, I think everyone jumps on the parent right away. And sadly, it's usually true it seems...

[shadydaisy]

I like back yards with fences and a great big dog. You know,the one who would take you flippin head off if you mess with the child? Funny, she has a friend who has dobbies. Those three dogs love her to death. Better leave mrs. d alone around those three.



Or be lunch.

When my kids were little I had 2 dobies, 2 border collies and a totally fenced in back yard. There are woods that go behind our house and a stone wall that runs along the back. People would frequently walk on the stone wall behind every one's house until they got to behind my house - they ran away.

For those of you who don't know - Parts of NJ have these primative rock walls all over the place in certain areas. I'm not sure if it was early settlers or Indians who built them.

Okay, Larry King had Susan Smith's ex-husband on.

They talked about the nine days 'til she confessed.

I gotta say nobody here (Israel) believed a word she said.

Why did so many Americans fall for her story?

I am always suspect of children that these strange things happen to while under their mother's watch. I would die trying to save my kids.

I once worked with a woman whose house burned down. Her 6 month old was in her crib on the 2nd floor. The mother never tried to get to her to save her. I never could figure that out, and had a hard time at the funeral not just flat out asking her why didn't she try to get to her.

[Gatordog]

I'm 55.

I remember the Alice Crimmins trial (divorcee on trial for killing her two children) very, very well.

It was back in the mid-60s.

I remember that one too. I was about five and frightened half to death that someone was going to snatch me from my bed. I lived on the second floor in a room with no window! :o Then I remember when it was finally out that the mother and boyfriend did it.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

When my kids were little I had 2 dobies, 2 border collies and a totally fenced in back yard. There are woods that go behind our house and a stone wall that runs along the back. People would frequently walk on the stone wall behind every one's house until they got to behind my house - they ran away.

For those of you who don't know - Parts of NJ have these primative rock walls all over the place in certain areas. I'm not sure if it was early settlers or Indians who built them.



I am always suspect of children that these strange things happen to while under their mother's watch. I would die trying to save my kids.

I once worked with a woman whose house burned down. Her 6 month old was in her crib on the 2nd floor. The mother never tried to get to her to save her. I never could figure that out, and had a hard time at the funeral not just flat out asking her why didn't she try to get to her.

That is wonderful Shady. when we were kids my parents built a fence around the back yard. I thought it was to keep animals out. Turns out that was the reason. 2 legged ones. sara

[BeastofBears]

That is wonderful Shady. when we were kids my parents built a fence around the back yard. I thought it was to keep animals out. Turns out that was the reason. 2 legged ones. sara

Good fences make good neighbors...and fewer felons.

[Nawny]

A guy walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check. He marched straight up to the counter and said, 'Hi. You know, I just HATE drawing welfare. I'd really rather have a job.'
The social worker behind the counter glanced up and said, 'Your timing is excellent. We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a chauffeur and bodyguard for his beautiful daughter.

You'll have to drive around in his Mercedes, and he'll supply all of your clothes. Because of the long hours, meals will be provided. You'll be expected to escort the daughter on her overseas holiday trips and you will have to satisfy her sexual urges. You'll be provided a two-bedroom apartment above the garage. The salary is $200,000 a year.


The guy, wide-eyed, said, 'You're bullchittin' me!'
The social worker said, 'Yeah, well... you started it.'


:hat:

[beemer]

Too cute Nawners :beer:

[deacon]

I am glad to hear Deacon your wife has sought someone to counsel her.Maybe right now when services are over would be a very good time for her to go in again and perhaps yourself? Getting it out there might be a plan and together you can figure out how to handle this if it does come out. Yes the sainthood syndrome. Some folks only wanna remember any of the few good times and hang onto that. Keeps them from have to deal with issues themselves. I have to admit when my FIL passed I had some anger as well. I only knew him as a kind loving man. In his prior years he was hell on wheels. A tyrant! MIL put him on a pedestal and still does. I have moved on and just chalked it up to exhaustion with his vigil. I get that in order to deal she hangs onto the good years. She is too old and old school to ever admit he had an effect on his children. My hubbie got help at 18. Two siblings never did and for lack of better words are losers in my eyes. I wish you both well in these trying days ahead :rose: Please let us know how things are. I know you and Mrs. d will get thru this. For now i shall keep you both in my prayers :rose:

Thanks

[deacon]

Nobody I knew believed her, either. But there was that little tiny 'what if it's true' so a lot of people kept their suspicions to themselves...now, after all that's hit the news since, I think everyone jumps on the parent right away. And sadly, it's usually true it seems...

That happened about 150 miles from my home. No one here really believed her. Specially the police. It just took a few days for her to confess.

[Nawny]

I found this again.. I can't stand this SOB! She's laughing at her mother, she's whine baggin about herself.. she's a monster! And yet I still have to watch it.. :cuss:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii2Okf1xpwE

[BeastofBears]

http://www.ktvu.com/news/20547427/detail.html

This guy stopped the kid who was going into our Hillsdale High to do mayhem.

[Nawny]

http://www.ktvu.com/news/20547427/detail.html

This guy stopped the kid who was going into our Hillsdale High to do mayhem.

Thumbs up for that guy BoB! I noticed the article about the guy from NC who won the 260 million powerball lottery. He seems like a nice man. Imagine that? I never play the lotto, but I was thinking of doing it this week!

:eek:

[deacon]

Thumbs up for that guy BoB! I noticed the article about the guy from NC who won the 260 million powerball lottery. He seems like a nice man. Imagine that? I never play the lotto, but I was thinking of doing it this week!

:eek:

I didn't know he was from NC but he bought the ticket at a Murphy Oil station at the wally world where I stop sometimes to get gas on the way home. Darn, I bought my ticket at the wrong place that week.

Oh, did you know that to honor my birthday this year the US Government is going to make it a National Holiday?:hat:

I feel better tonight.

Here is the link. http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1037289.html

[Nawny]

I just read this article about that 80% of lottery winners who go broke.. I don't understand this.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveMoney/8lotteryWinnersWhoLostTheirMillions.aspx?page=all

[deacon]

I just read this article about that 80% of lottery winners who go broke.. I don't understand this.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveMoney/8lotteryWinnersWhoLostTheirMillions.aspx?page=all

Most don't do any planning and tend to waste their money. Then there are the "friends" that they didn't know they had and the long lost relatives..... Ripped off.

[Nawny]

I didn't know he was from NC but he bought the ticket at a Murphy Oil station at the wally world where I stop sometimes to get gas on the way home. Darn, I bought my ticket at the wrong place that week.

Oh, did you know that to honor my birthday this year the US Government is going to make it a National Holiday?:hat:

I feel better tonight.

Here is the link. http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1037289.html

What worried me about this news report is that the man will be sought after by every solicitor in the nation, not to mention family and friends that will pick his pockets raw. If I ever won such a lottery, I'd forbid them to put my name out there. It's advertising the lottery, I know, but I wouldn't care! This poor guy is going to be ravished by every devil on two feet.


What national holiday is your birthday deacon?

[Nawny]

Most don't do any planning and tend to waste their money. Then there are the "friends" that they didn't know they had and the long lost relatives..... Ripped off.

Yep! I read a few stories like that and sadly they lose their money AND their relatives and friends often. It's amazing how people who win big money are so over the top happy. I look at their faces and wonder why money can make them feel such a powerful emotion! It's only dirty green paper! And when it's gone, it's gone.

Taking care of money is a hard job. It's too easy to get dippy and start throwing it around, but it aint practical, that's for sure!

[deacon]

What worried me about this news report is that the man will be sought after by every solicitor in the nation, not to mention family and friends that will pick his pockets raw. If I ever won such a lottery, I'd forbid them to put my name out there. It's advertising the lottery, I know, but I wouldn't care! This poor guy is going to be ravished by every devil on two feet.


What national holiday is your birthday deacon?

About every 7 years it falls on Labor Day. My son's does too. Just different years.

[deacon]

Yep! I read a few stories like that and sadly they lose their money AND their relatives and friends often. It's amazing how people who win big money are so over the top happy. I look at their faces and wonder why money can make them feel such a powerful emotion! It's only dirty green paper! And when it's gone, it's gone.

Taking care of money is a hard job. It's too easy to get dippy and start throwing it around, but it aint practical, that's for sure!

My wife and I sat down talking one night and it was funny that we agreed on how we would handle something like this. Our church would be taken care of. We need a children's wing very badly. It needs to be somewhat seperate so we can make sure the children are safe. Safety, that is my thing. My son would be taken care of. She has two brothers and I have a sister. They would be taken care of. Her mother and father are living in a place that is slowly turning into the "hood." That WOULD change whether they liked it or not and they would be taken care of. Then we would pay off our house. She would get a new car of her choice. She needs one. The way she chokes George Washington, it would not be very fancy. My purchase would be an old golf course out in the country where I learned to play golf. It has been closed and for sale for about 2 years. It is full of deer and turkeys. There is also a place on the course where a pond with fish would go good. The club house that is there would turn into the "man cave." Ha ha:D That is where I would "go to work" about three days a week because it would drive me crazy to sit home all the time. Shoot, I would have more than enough left to help the people who really need it. One of my favorites is the Victory Junction Gang Kid's camp that the Pettys run.

Did I know you before I won? If I did, you would still be my friend. If I didn't know you before, sorry.

[beemer]

That was a good ending Deacon:tongue: We have talked about it as well. First thing we would do is get on a plane and get the heck outta dodge for a few months :chicken: We would take care of family of course. Then let the money sit for months and think on it further. Of course we would give to our charities. Then i would charter a plane and pick everyone of ya's up and go to Nawny's fav. place-Disneyworld. And of course we would have to hire a few buses for a Hopespring Dr. tour. Then we could let Gator take it from there. From there we could head on down to search for Haleigh since nobody else is and perhaps we could shake up LE. I think Loretta could spearhead that one. Oh and lots of food and cocktails :beer: it's a promise :rose:

[beemer]

Goody another virtual party in the lounge on Labor Day!!!! Where's Sam-food to be made,presents,cake.......

[BeastofBears]

Most don't do any planning and tend to waste their money. Then there are the "friends" that they didn't know they had and the long lost relatives..... Ripped off.

And people will always live to the edge of their means no matter how big or small, imo.

[BeastofBears]

What worried me about this news report is that the man will be sought after by every solicitor in the nation, not to mention family and friends that will pick his pockets raw. If I ever won such a lottery, I'd forbid them to put my name out there. It's advertising the lottery, I know, but I wouldn't care! This poor guy is going to be ravished by every devil on two feet.


What national holiday is your birthday deacon?

I think the California lottery makes you sign a release to use your name before they ante up.

eta: and boy do I wish I knew for sure first-hand!

[SaraSidle]

I think the California lottery makes you sign a release to use your name before they ante up.

eta: and boy do I wish I knew for sure first-hand!

Does this mean you have won buddy of mine?

[BeastofBears]

My wife and I sat down talking one night and it was funny that we agreed on how we would handle something like this. Our church would be taken care of. We need a children's wing very badly. It needs to be somewhat seperate so we can make sure the children are safe. Safety, that is my thing. My son would be taken care of. She has two brothers and I have a sister. They would be taken care of. Her mother and father are living in a place that is slowly turning into the "hood." That WOULD change whether they liked it or not and they would be taken care of. Then we would pay off our house. She would get a new car of her choice. She needs one. The way she chokes George Washington, it would not be very fancy. My purchase would be an old golf course out in the country where I learned to play golf. It has been closed and for sale for about 2 years. It is full of deer and turkeys. There is also a place on the course where a pond with fish would go good. The club house that is there would turn into the "man cave." Ha ha:D That is where I would "go to work" about three days a week because it would drive me crazy to sit home all the time. Shoot, I would have more than enough left to help the people who really need it. One of my favorites is the Victory Junction Gang Kid's camp that the Pettys run.

Did I know you before I won? If I did, you would still be my friend. If I didn't know you before, sorry.

I would take God's percent off the top and that would go off to the church. I would fund a good dig. I would move my hubby to a neighborhood he would like better near a good private school, and move my mom nearby...but not too near. I would pay off my own student loans and my best friends so we would both be free, finally. I would buy an unused old "movie palace" movie theatre, restore it and open it with couches and a restaurant/pub and show an eclectic melange of movies...and all those charities I have always wanted to send money to, I could...something on the heifer.org model would be nice *sigh*

[BeastofBears]

Does this mean you have won buddy of mine?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Last thing I won on was a longshot at the county fair races. He went off at 40-1. Oh yeah!

[SaraSidle]

I would take God's percent off the top and that would go off to the church. I would fund a good dig. I would move my hubby to a neighborhood he would like better near a good private school, and move my mom nearby...but not too near. I would pay off my own student loans and my best friends so we would both be free, finally. I would buy an unused old "movie palace" movie theatre, restore it and open it with couches and a restaurant/pub and show an eclectic melange of movies...and all those charities I have always wanted to send money to, I could...something on the heifer.org model would be nice *sigh*

they have a theater/resturant like that in Cambridge. I had a great time. sara

[SaraSidle]

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Last thing I won on was a longshot at the county fair races. He went off at 40-1. Oh yeah!

dang girl do it again........

[BeastofBears]

My wife and I sat down talking one night and it was funny that we agreed on how we would handle something like this. Our church would be taken care of. We need a children's wing very badly. It needs to be somewhat seperate so we can make sure the children are safe. Safety, that is my thing. My son would be taken care of. She has two brothers and I have a sister. They would be taken care of. Her mother and father are living in a place that is slowly turning into the "hood." That WOULD change whether they liked it or not and they would be taken care of. Then we would pay off our house. She would get a new car of her choice. She needs one. The way she chokes George Washington, it would not be very fancy. My purchase would be an old golf course out in the country where I learned to play golf. It has been closed and for sale for about 2 years. It is full of deer and turkeys. There is also a place on the course where a pond with fish would go good. The club house that is there would turn into the "man cave." Ha ha:D That is where I would "go to work" about three days a week because it would drive me crazy to sit home all the time. Shoot, I would have more than enough left to help the people who really need it. One of my favorites is the Victory Junction Gang Kid's camp that the Pettys run.

Did I know you before I won? If I did, you would still be my friend. If I didn't know you before, sorry.

It improves attendance, too. I drive 30 miles to a church that has a good kids set-up and others commute in too. It is one of the churches that are growing in the Bay Area. You have to check your child in, you get a beeper and a sticker that matches your child's, and no one without a beeper and a sticker can retrieve the child. The entrance is secure, the rooms are all on a single pathway, and the play area has massive fencing and only opens to the kids rooms. Each room has glass windows, no areas for anyone to "hide" with a child, you know? I love it!

[BeastofBears]

they have a theater/resturant like that in Cambridge. I had a great time. sara

We had one here in Oakland, but due to spectacular mismanagement it closed this year. I miss it!!!!! They had a baby brigade night. My son's first movie was Walk the Line. He still loves Johnny Cash...

[SaraSidle]

We had one here in Oakland, but due to spectacular mismanagement it closed this year. I miss it!!!!! They had a baby brigade night. My son's first movie was Walk the Line. He still loves Johnny Cash...

I have no idea if the Cambridge one is still standing. It has been a while since I was there.
The church sounds just perfect. I have never heard of anything like that.
The catholic ones make me crazy with all the little chapels on the side.

good deal on the Holiday Express. It really makes a difference. sara

[BeastofBears]

Did you guys read the laundry list of medication that Michael Jackson was given the day he died for his insomnia? It sounds like putting Michael Jackson to sleep was as hard as taking Rasputin down!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,542221,00.html??test=faces

[SaraSidle]

Did you guys read the laundry list of medication that Michael Jackson was given the day he died for his insomnia? It sounds like putting Michael Jackson to sleep was as hard as taking Rasputin down!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,542221,00.html??test=faces

You know valium and lorezapam do not do a thing for me. But I can imagine after all these years he must have had a very high tolerance to most medication. In fact DH and I think he may have been taking them when he was performing. No wonder his body did not look well nourished. Might be something for Cindy to think about during the trial. IMO sara

[Marian Paroo]

That happened about 150 miles from my home. No one here really believed her. Specially the police. It just took a few days for her to confess.

Kudos to the police on that one.

A generation ago, a woman who said the African American (except she woudn't have said AA) did it would have believed by them without much investigation.

[Amy]

I found this again.. I can't stand this SOB! She's laughing at her mother, she's whine baggin about herself.. she's a monster! And yet I still have to watch it.. :cuss:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii2Okf1xpwE

Let's have a pity party for poor little ol' Casey Anthony. I'll count to three, and everybody say "BOOOO HOOOO HOOOO!!!!" Try to fake some tears for her, you might have to view some of her videos to get pointers on how to, tho.:chicken:

[Amy]

http://www.ktvu.com/news/20547427/detail.html

This guy stopped the kid who was going into our Hillsdale High to do mayhem.

What a guy!!! A lot of students and teachers can sleep safer because of his actions.

[Amy]

I didn't know he was from NC but he bought the ticket at a Murphy Oil station at the wally world where I stop sometimes to get gas on the way home. Darn, I bought my ticket at the wrong place that week.

Oh, did you know that to honor my birthday this year the US Government is going to make it a National Holiday?:hat:

I feel better tonight.

Here is the link. http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1037289.html

Silly me!!!! I hit the link, thinking I would be reading about a new National Holiday!!! :D I think I need some sleep, lol!!!

[Amy]

Most don't do any planning and tend to waste their money. Then there are the "friends" that they didn't know they had and the long lost relatives..... Ripped off.

Well, I have had my plans for my winnings for a long time now. An occasional little change here and there as time goes by, of course. And, anyone who wasn't my friend before I win, won't be my friend after, either!!! Oh, when I do win, I'll need some address for my online friends, to send them all a bit. After all, isn't that what the President is wanting? Share the wealth? :D;) Me, I'd like to be the one to determine whom I am going to share my wealth with.

[Marian Paroo]

Did you guys read the laundry list of medication that Michael Jackson was given the day he died for his insomnia? It sounds like putting Michael Jackson to sleep was as hard as taking Rasputin down!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,542221,00.html??test=faces

I haven't tried yet, but I hope I can rep you for historical reference!

[deacon]

Goody another virtual party in the lounge on Labor Day!!!! Where's Sam-food to be made,presents,cake.......

I am going to be out of town that weekend. I am going to see my son for our birthdays. I'll be back Tuesday Night. Thanks.:D

[deacon]

It improves attendance, too. I drive 30 miles to a church that has a good kids set-up and others commute in too. It is one of the churches that are growing in the Bay Area. You have to check your child in, you get a beeper and a sticker that matches your child's, and no one without a beeper and a sticker can retrieve the child. The entrance is secure, the rooms are all on a single pathway, and the play area has massive fencing and only opens to the kids rooms. Each room has glass windows, no areas for anyone to "hide" with a child, you know? I love it!

At ours no adult is left "alone" with a child for any reason. The new wing we are planning will be sort of in a square. The outside play area will be in the middle. We have the beepers and tags now but the hallway is open. That will change. No one but parents, children and teachers will be allowed on that hallway. Some of the older folks were a little upset with that but the ole deacon spoke at a meeting one night for about 30 minutes with news stories, and they changed their minds.:cool:

[Nawny]

Well, I have had my plans for my winnings for a long time now. An occasional little change here and there as time goes by, of course. And, anyone who wasn't my friend before I win, won't be my friend after, either!!! Oh, when I do win, I'll need some address for my online friends, to send them all a bit. After all, isn't that what the President is wanting? Share the wealth? :D;) Me, I'd like to be the one to determine whom I am going to share my wealth with.

If I won the 250 million dollar lottery, I'd buy a big mansion on the ocean and call it MENO-PAUSE HOUSE... It would be a free month every other month for 2 years of pure pampering and pausing! All women would have a personal trainer who would brainwash us into loving ourselves.. There would be many cooks who would take our special orders for the food of our choice, wardrobe specialist who would design exactly what we prefer to wear, and we could dress like any character in any book or movie. (I'd like to be Scarlet O'Hara) and a mandatory facial ever week to prepare us for our favorite fantasy! Oh! And massages!

There would be grapes served to women laying on lounge chairs along the huge deck and a few horses on the greenest property behind the main house.

I would make all the woman sing "I am Woman" during prayer services in the morning and that's after a breakfast for champions and I would insist on no cell phones, blackberrys or computers of any kind. And, there would be many flowers and soft music. No exercise! No Diets! The best part would be the therapy. There would be fake men mannequins that resemble our ex's and we could yell at them (tell them what we really think!) for one hour a day.

Yeah, that's what I'd do. BE SERVED! JUST BE SERVED!

Do I have issues? :D

[beemer]

So we will celebrate Tuesday night:biggrin:

[Nawny]

I am going to be out of town that weekend. I am going to see my son for our birthdays. I'll be back Tuesday Night. Thanks.:D

Happy Birthday deacon! Enjoy! :beer:

[Nawny]

Let's have a pity party for poor little ol' Casey Anthony. I'll count to three, and everybody say "BOOOO HOOOO HOOOO!!!!" Try to fake some tears for her, you might have to view some of her videos to get pointers on how to, tho.:chicken:


Ya know, sometimes I look at her talking and hear her saying, "I don't have any answers! I can't go back and find any answers" And I think what a pathetic little POC she is and how it would be almost inhumane to kill her. She's mentally handicapped.. then I think of Caylee and how innocent and helpless she was at the hands of her own mother IMO, and I want someone to snuff her out. She's still able to produce more children and she should NEVER be free.

"My life has been taken from me!" Whaaa? She's still alive isn't she? Caylee's life has been taken from Caylee. Get a clue liar!

Boooooooooo hoooooooo hoooooo! Yeah blow kisses Geroge. Grow up while you're at it. She's not going to keep your secrets no matter how many kisses you blow. :no: She's going to hang you and Grinch out to dry big time!
IMO... sit back and watch the show. :tongue:

[shadydaisy]

My step-daughter-in-laws Aunt (following that?) won the lottery about 15 years ago. They still have their money and now live somewhere in FL. I worked with a guy years ago who won also. He took the cash option, invested and the interest allowed him $200,000 a year to spend as he pleased. He kept his job and was happy. I don't remember how much he won, but 2.5 million invested in muni bonds yields 200 - 250 thousand a year, tax free. The trick is to not spend much of the principle and invest in tax free options. I'll work out the details when I win......

[BeastofBears]

I am going to be out of town that weekend. I am going to see my son for our birthdays. I'll be back Tuesday Night. Thanks.:D

That's okay, deacon...experience shows the actual recipient need not be present for our cyber-parties! Was it 18 hours before Wind came online, lol?

[BeastofBears]

At ours no adult is left "alone" with a child for any reason. The new wing we are planning will be sort of in a square. The outside play area will be in the middle. We have the beepers and tags now but the hallway is open. That will change. No one but parents, children and teachers will be allowed on that hallway. Some of the older folks were a little upset with that but the ole deacon spoke at a meeting one night for about 30 minutes with news stories, and they changed their minds.:cool:

Isn't it terrible the good folks have to pay the price? Good for you for smoothing it all over. People love the kids, they don't want to risk them.

[beemer]

That's okay, deacon...experience shows the actual recipient need not be present for our cyber-parties! Was it 18 hours before Wind came online, lol?

Yep and we were fine awaiting the guest of honor:D It's time for another partay:biggrin:

[beemer]

My step-daughter-in-laws Aunt (following that?) won the lottery about 15 years ago. They still have their money and now live somewhere in FL. I worked with a guy years ago who won also. He took the cash option, invested and the interest allowed him $200,000 a year to spend as he pleased. He kept his job and was happy. I don't remember how much he won, but 2.5 million invested in muni bonds yields 200 - 250 thousand a year, tax free. The trick is to not spend much of the principle and invest in tax free options. I'll work out the details when I win......

Thats what i would be inclined to do Daisy:beer: Be sure and let us know;)

[Nawny]

My step-daughter-in-laws Aunt (following that?) won the lottery about 15 years ago. They still have their money and now live somewhere in FL. I worked with a guy years ago who won also. He took the cash option, invested and the interest allowed him $200,000 a year to spend as he pleased. He kept his job and was happy. I don't remember how much he won, but 2.5 million invested in muni bonds yields 200 - 250 thousand a year, tax free. The trick is to not spend much of the principle and invest in tax free options. I'll work out the details when I win......

I didn't know there were any investments that are tax free! Hmmmm.. we got out in the 90's after poppa saw the dippy diddly doo. He didn't renew his brokers license and advised his clients to get out too. He had gotten his license to broker mutuals. When they closed the banks in RI a few years ago, he got caught in that and they promised to pay those who had their monies locked up within 15 years, no interest. Anyone remember when RI went koo koo with the banks?

There were thousands of people in the middle of building homes who lost everything because their mtg money was in escrow. On the front page of the Jornal Buliten there was a picture of a young couple sitting on the foundation of their (supposed) home, with their children weeping because the banks closed and their house money was locked up, then gone.

I remember the story of one woman who was eating cat food, though her husband worked most of his life to insure that she would be okay if he died. I will never forget that lady. Her money was gone when her bank closed.

Anyway, poppa still hasn't seen his money and it's been over 17 years. He doesn't trust Big Brother. He likes to bend him over ;) I Thank God he recovered but it was just wrong!

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1S1-9199101020224391.html

[Nawny]

Thats what i would be inclined to do Daisy:beer: Be sure and let us know;)

Not me! I'd spend it all! I've been dealing with death for so many years, I get the feeling we're not really here. We're in a dream awake. :beer:

LOL! It's only money!

[Nawny]

Is anyone else experiencing a drag on this site? I've done everything I know to speed this thing up, from Restoring to an earlier time to disk cleanup, to scaning for viruses.. I'm lost as to what the problem is. I went to look for programs to speed it up but they all want that Visa number.. :no

Anyone have a trick I can use?

Thanks in advance :seeya:

[Amy]

If I won the 250 million dollar lottery, I'd buy a big mansion on the ocean and call it MENO-PAUSE HOUSE... It would be a free month every other month for 2 years of pure pampering and pausing! All women would have a personal trainer who would brainwash us into loving ourselves.. There would be many cooks who would take our special orders for the food of our choice, wardrobe specialist who would design exactly what we prefer to wear, and we could dress like any character in any book or movie. (I'd like to be Scarlet O'Hara) and a mandatory facial ever week to prepare us for our favorite fantasy! Oh! And massages!

There would be grapes served to women laying on lounge chairs along the huge deck and a few horses on the greenest property behind the main house.

I would make all the woman sing "I am Woman" during prayer services in the morning and that's after a breakfast for champions and I would insist on no cell phones, blackberrys or computers of any kind. And, there would be many flowers and soft music. No exercise! No Diets! The best part would be the therapy. There would be fake men mannequins that resemble our ex's and we could yell at them (tell them what we really think!) for one hour a day.

Yeah, that's what I'd do. BE SERVED! JUST BE SERVED!

Do I have issues? :D

I suppose that means no internet, too, huh? I could go for a month w/o, I think, but lawsy, I'd have to spend the next whole month trying to get up to speed w/the cases I follow. Heck, would probably take TWO months just for Caylee's case alone, lol. Oh, well, probably by the time this comes along, Caylee's and Haleigh's and Robert's and Hassani's and Tori's and Nevaeh's cases will be over (with JUSTICE for these tykes, of course) and I could scale back on my "interests."

Sounds good, restful. Maybe would even come out a few pounds slimmer (because someone would be making real meals and I could pass on the junk food!) Maybe even come out w/some fashion sense---the wardrobe specialist would surely advise me, as s/he is dressing me in my fantasy garb.

[Amy]

Is anyone else experiencing a drag on this site? I've done everything I know to speed this thing up, from Restoring to an earlier time to disk cleanup, to scaning for viruses.. I'm lost as to what the problem is. I went to look for programs to speed it up but they all want that Visa number.. :no

Anyone have a trick I can use?

Thanks in advance :seeya:

Mine seems to be working okay. DS had a friend who "knows computers, mom!" over the other day. This high school sophomore worked the computer over. I don't notice anything different (except my Carbonite icon is gone :() and I don't know if he accomplished for DS what he needed. DS says my games slow things down, I think HIS game is probably the culprit, lol. We can never get Flashplayer or whatever that is to come up if we are on Mozilla Firefox, I think we can w/Internet Explorer, but the guy who provides our internet says not to use that.

[Amy]

My step-daughter-in-laws Aunt (following that?) won the lottery about 15 years ago. They still have their money and now live somewhere in FL. I worked with a guy years ago who won also. He took the cash option, invested and the interest allowed him $200,000 a year to spend as he pleased. He kept his job and was happy. I don't remember how much he won, but 2.5 million invested in muni bonds yields 200 - 250 thousand a year, tax free. The trick is to not spend much of the principle and invest in tax free options. I'll work out the details when I win......

When I win, first I will go to the fellow who has done my taxes for years to see if he will oversee my monies. He has said his firm doesn't do investments and all that, but I need someone who would audit the activities, make sure I don't get ripped off.

Then, will go to the fellow who has charge of my old retirement fund, and ask his advise on investments and whatnot. Will have to be sure and ask about those tax-free ones--that would blow his mind away!!! He knows I know nothing about nothing, and to come up with that......!!!!! lol

First, there is that 10% for God and his works. Might even make it 15%--God has been good to me. Not to just one church, but some to each of the churches I have attended over my lifetime, to missions, etc. Pay off the house and then get it fixed up, lol. Pay off the car. That takes care of my indebtedness. Pay off DD's medical bills. Put funds away to pay for medical care for each of us. Make sure the folks don't have to go to a nursing home, and have whatever they want. Would have to figure out how to do this w/o Daddy figuring it out--he doesn't take to "charity" well. Give each of my siblings and good friends some. Make sure my friend and her hubby don't have to worry about their house and bills.

I don't plan on telling my kids or advertising in any way that I have won. My kids need to get their noses to the grind stone and learn to make their own way, hit some of the bumps and dips that come w/life before I make it "easy" for them. Build some character and self-reliance.

I will hire oldest sister to cook for me once a month or how ever often she chooses--the kind of things you cook ahead and put in the freezer and all that, so all I have to do it crank up the microwave when I am hungry. My next oldest sister can landscape my property to her heart's content. The next sister and the youngest can spend whatever amount of time they want interior decorating my house, and rearrange the furniture to their hearts' content. I am sure I will come up w/something for brother and the other sister to do. They will get a monthly salary to the extent that none will ever have to go to a workplace again--unless that is what they want. I suppose brother (who is single, lives in a little house rented from little sis, and probably still hasn't spent the $$ he earned in the Army 30 years ago) will probably tell me to take a hike. But, I would put some away for him, if he ever needs a helping hand.

I also will have a fund @ the hospital to take care of hard working folk who don't meet the requirements for assistance. The hospital already writes off a million or so each month, but I would make sure this money is directed for those who don't meet even THEIR requirements for assistance. The only requirement I would have of those receiving this help is that they are working folk, doing their best to support their families. Cover the folks who don't qualify for any programs, just because they are doing the "right thing" by working.

And, have no idea about what to do w/anything left over (supposing there is.) I'm not one needing to travel here and there (altho I might go to the beach gathering, lol!!!) or fancy cars and such. I guess just make sure I have a darn good computer, and someone who will keep it up to speed. :D

[Nawny]

I suppose that means no internet, too, huh? I could go for a month w/o, I think, but lawsy, I'd have to spend the next whole month trying to get up to speed w/the cases I follow. Heck, would probably take TWO months just for Caylee's case alone, lol. Oh, well, probably by the time this comes along, Caylee's and Haleigh's and Robert's and Hassani's and Tori's and Nevaeh's cases will be over (with JUSTICE for these tykes, of course) and I could scale back on my "interests."

Sounds good, restful. Maybe would even come out a few pounds slimmer (because someone would be making real meals and I could pass on the junk food!) Maybe even come out w/some fashion sense---the wardrobe specialist would surely advise me, as s/he is dressing me in my fantasy garb.

LOL!!!! ROTFL! Not to worry about real meals, I just had a cheeseburger for breakfast Amy! I'm out of diet mode this week. Women are supposed to be curvy and roundish.. that's the ticket! ;)

It's so quiet here today and I haven't even started my housework yet. Last night's dishes are still in the dishwasher.. do I care? It's a do nuthin day here.
Looks like liar's case is put off till next June? Are they kidding?

[shadydaisy]

Is anyone else experiencing a drag on this site? I've done everything I know to speed this thing up, from Restoring to an earlier time to disk cleanup, to scaning for viruses.. I'm lost as to what the problem is. I went to look for programs to speed it up but they all want that Visa number.. :no

Anyone have a trick I can use?

Thanks in advance :seeya:

Did you clean out your temporary internet files and cookies (not that kind!)?

[Amy]

LOL!!!! ROTFL! Not to worry about real meals, I just had a cheeseburger for breakfast Amy! I'm out of diet mode this week. Women are supposed to be curvy and roundish.. that's the ticket! ;)

It's so quiet here today and I haven't even started my housework yet. Last night's dishes are still in the dishwasher.. do I care? It's a do nuthin day here.
Looks like liar's case is put off till next June? Are they kidding?

I think I had a handful of sea salt/vinegar chips this am--or was that last night? I really need to get to the little store and pick up some ice. I KNOW there was still @ least one bag left, but I guess the guys are using a lot and opened that one.

That is another thing I will do w/my lottery winnings--get a fridge that the ice maker still works on, and get a stove/oven altho I don't use it much, and get a working dishwasher and garbage disposal!!! I THINK I have finally trained the kids to scrape their plates and such before putting them in the sink--a non-working disposal does NOT take care of that carp!!! :punch:

[shadydaisy]

Nawney - here you go http://beginnersinvest.about.com/cs/municipalbonds/a/aa071502.htm

I only know about this because my boss is a mega millionaire, and he has advised me as to what to do with my millions, when I win them - LOL.

[Nawny]

Did you clean out your temporary internet files and cookies (not that kind!)?

Yes I cleaned those out.. and all the cookies and brownies and jello. ;)


Just saw the end of an era.. Ted Kennedy is gone. 77 years old. He lasted just one year since surgery. I wonder how long he would have lasted if they didn't open his skull. :rolleyes: Let's see what they do with his financial legacy. That ought to be a bit of manna from heaven for the media.

[Marian Paroo]

I think I had a handful of sea salt/vinegar chips this am--or was that last night?

those are virtually impossible to find here -- if I hit it big in the lottery or the toto, I'll arrange to have them flown in!

[BeastofBears]

those are virtually impossible to find here -- if I hit it big in the lottery or the toto, I'll arrange to have them flown in!

These folks do it, and their prices are not too bad...but you have to buy 40 bag packs! ( I think they're little bags but it's metric and you know us Americans!) http://www.canadaonly.ca/canadaonly.ca/market/namerica/potatochips/index.html

[SaraSidle]

Is anyone else experiencing a drag on this site? I've done everything I know to speed this thing up, from Restoring to an earlier time to disk cleanup, to scaning for viruses.. I'm lost as to what the problem is. I went to look for programs to speed it up but they all want that Visa number.. :no

Anyone have a trick I can use?

Thanks in advance :seeya:

Nawny mine is working just fine. My new one. I know nothing about puters though so I cannot help.....sara

[deacon]

That's okay, deacon...experience shows the actual recipient need not be present for our cyber-parties! Was it 18 hours before Wind came online, lol?

Now that was funny!

[shadydaisy]

These folks do it, and their prices are not too bad...but you have to buy 40 bag packs! ( I think they're little bags but it's metric and you know us Americans!) http://www.canadaonly.ca/canadaonly.ca/market/namerica/potatochips/index.html

There were some chips I had never seen - ketchup? I don't get out much I guess.

[shadydaisy]

Yes I cleaned those out.. and all the cookies and brownies and jello. ;)


Just saw the end of an era.. Ted Kennedy is gone. 77 years old. He lasted just one year since surgery. I wonder how long he would have lasted if they didn't open his skull. :rolleyes: Let's see what they do with his financial legacy. That ought to be a bit of manna from heaven for the media.

Defragment and compress your files?

I use Fix-it utilities at home. It fixes registry errors. When I have "cleaned" with Fit-it, it has shown quite a few "errors" on this site.

I think it's you (nothing personal!) because "we" are not having the slow problem.

[SaraSidle]

There were some chips I had never seen - ketchup? I don't get out much I guess.

I have never seen ketchup flavored chips either :shrug:

[Marian Paroo]

I have never seen ketchup flavored chips either :shrug:

We have them here.

They are disgusting!!!!:flamemad:

[SaraSidle]

We have them here.

They are disgusting!!!!:flamemad:

I can imagine. I love both but that is a little out there. sara

[SaraSidle]

JLette how are you doing????

[shadydaisy]

I have never seen ketchup flavored chips either :shrug:

LOL - you don't get out much either I guess.

We have them here.

They are disgusting!!!!:flamemad:

Marian - I'm going to take your word for it! I'm not really interested in trying them. Are they reddish in color?

JLette how are you doing????

Updates, please. Are you all set to go?

[beemer]

I luv ketchup chips-yes they are red and they are good-I think so anyways. Alot of flavours up here as i am sure you can see on the site. Yes we are metric up here so dont let that confuse ya.

[Gatordog]

Just read that Dominick Dunne passed away.

[BeastofBears]

There were some chips I had never seen - ketchup? I don't get out much I guess.

The ketchup ones are REALLY salty. I like the bacon flavored best-they really taste just like crispy bacon off a farberware. smack!

[SaraSidle]

Just read that Dominick Dunne passed away.

Samantha has posted it Gator

[SaraSidle]

The ketchup ones are REALLY salty. I like the bacon flavored best-they really taste just like crispy bacon off a farberware. smack!

with french onion dip. mmmmmmmmmmmm

[BeastofBears]

with french onion dip. mmmmmmmmmmmm

That sounds so freaking good. Do they have French onion dip in Canada? Because next time I go, that will be the hockey night snack with the boys.

[SaraSidle]

That sounds so freaking good. Do they have French onion dip in Canada? Because next time I go, that will be the hockey night snack with the boys.

I have no idea. All I know about Canada is they have a candy bar I love.

[BeastofBears]

I have no idea. All I know about Canada is they have a candy bar I love.

Sara, you have over 5000 posts!

[SaraSidle]

Sara, you have over 5000 posts!

that is because I am such a supreme woman BOB. thanks for noticing. I am quite sure they are mostly Casey and Tara Grinstead. See what happens when you are unemployed...:seeya:

[Nawny]

Just read that Dominick Dunne passed away.

I love Dominick Dunne and I know I'm not the only one who does. He was a remarkable man! Big loss, he was a fine victims rights soldier.

[beemer]

Just read that Dominick Dunne passed away.

I just read it too :(

[Nawny]

Defragment and compress your files?

I use Fix-it utilities at home. It fixes registry errors. When I have "cleaned" with Fit-it, it has shown quite a few "errors" on this site.

I think it's you (nothing personal!) because "we" are not having the slow problem.

Thanks Shadey! It is me, :tongue: I did something and now I can't figure out what. I tried everything and it was dragging here.. every where I went, but especially here so much I almost could not get back on. I restarted in safe mode. Nothing! I went then to run and typed in msconfig.. and that turns everything off and lets you start in basic mode. It's better but I know I have to do something else. I'll try fix it. Errors on this site? :eek:

Well I may have to take this baby :eek:to the geeks, so if I go missing, don't call Leonard Padilla.

[beemer]

That sounds so freaking good. Do they have French onion dip in Canada? Because next time I go, that will be the hockey night snack with the boys.

Ah yes the canadian pastime-hockey :beer: We do have french onion dip-I like the one made by philadelphia best. Oh ya smoky bacon,so good. I think you should try the broasted chicken-so good. Oh wait they may be called roast chicken????

[beemer]

I have no idea. All I know about Canada is they have a candy bar I love.

Which one sara-I know ya told me but i cant remember.

[beemer]

Thanks Shadey! It is me, :tongue: I did something and now I can't figure out what. I tried everything and it was dragging here.. every where I went, but especially here so much I almost could not get back on. I restarted in safe mode. Nothing! I went then to run and typed in msconfig.. and that turns everything off and lets you start in basic mode. It's better but I know I have to do something else. I'll try fix it. Errors on this site? :eek:

Well I may have to take this baby :eek:to the geeks, so if I go missing, don't call Leonard Padilla.

Good Luck with your puter-you still using that sippy cup??? No we wont call LP we will call TM :D

[JLette]

JLette how are you doing????

haha i am good, lurking around here and there. the past two days i got sucked into this stupid game i bought myself for my bday last month lol. the sims 3, i think i sat here and played for almost 9 hours the other day :eek: took a break today to catch up on all my message boards lol.

i am officially FULL TERM on sunday, then my boy turns 4 years old on wednesday, so any time after that this kid can make his appearance and it will be just FIIIIINE with me lmao. i am beyond ready :D

[SaraSidle]

Which one sara-I know ya told me but i cant remember.

Coffee Crunch Gold wrapper. sorry Bree reading up on Ted.

[BeastofBears]

Good Luck with your puter-you still using that sippy cup??? No we wont call LP we will call TM :D

No! then our info could be made public if the Firm has its way! we should just anonymously buy a bloodhound...http://i34.tinypic.com/30c2hz6.jpg

[SaraSidle]

haha i am good, lurking around here and there. the past two days i got sucked into this stupid game i bought myself for my bday last month lol. the sims 3, i think i sat here and played for almost 9 hours the other day :eek: took a break today to catch up on all my message boards lol.

i am officially FULL TERM on sunday, then my boy turns 4 years old on wednesday, so any time after that this kid can make his appearance and it will be just FIIIIINE with me lmao. i am beyond ready :D

I am so glad you responded. I know you are beyond ready. Sounds like you have everything planned. keep in touch please. I just love those games.

[BeastofBears]

haha i am good, lurking around here and there. the past two days i got sucked into this stupid game i bought myself for my bday last month lol. the sims 3, i think i sat here and played for almost 9 hours the other day :eek: took a break today to catch up on all my message boards lol.

i am officially FULL TERM on sunday, then my boy turns 4 years old on wednesday, so any time after that this kid can make his appearance and it will be just FIIIIINE with me lmao. i am beyond ready :D

Of course you realize, any day you go without posting, the speculation will begin?! Good luck, hun. You must be approaching the "miserable" stage right now, especially with how hot its going to be...

[BeastofBears]

I am so glad you responded. I know you are beyond ready. Sounds like you have everything planned. keep in touch please. I just love those games.

Aren't we Sim Crime Club 3.0?

[BeastofBears]

Coffee Crunch Gold wrapper. sorry Bree reading up on Ted.

Can you imagine if there was a board like this during Chappaquiddick?

[SaraSidle]

Aren't we Sim Crime Club 3.0?

BOB we can be anything you want.........:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Can you imagine if there was a board like this during Chappaquiddick?

man that would be so bad. what a story. I told my dh and he said he had never heard of it..........when I used to go to the cape I did not even want to know where that was.

[Nawny]

I got the computer to behave for now. I ran the McAcafee scan, that's my virus protector. I don't use Norton anymore. I had already done that and it showed no viruses. It didn't show any this time either. Hmmm. But it's working better.

I use a wireless connection on this laptop. Sometimes when there are a few using their wireless in the neighborhood, it craps out, but this dragging has been ongoing all day (??) It shows when others are on in the list of connections.

Thanks for all your suggestions girls! :seeya:

[Nawny]

man that would be so bad. what a story. I told my dh and he said he had never heard of it..........when I used to go to the cape I did not even want to know where that was.

That's not more than an hour away from here. These parts were up in arms for years about that story. I just say it's childhood issues for Teddy. He and his momma had a thang goin on. She ruled his life. :confused: He made it in spite of it. I guess :shrug: We here understand the Jackeens. They were Peck's bad boys. "When they're good they're very good-when their bad they're horrible.."

Anyway he reached sainthood today... go figure!:rolleyes: He'll be meeting Mary-Jo's mom and dad over there.

[Nawny]

A ten year old girl, forced to marry? This story made me sick. The culture is insane! This little girl has more guts than most people I know. :( I wish I could go rescure her right now!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/08/26/newton.child.bride.part1.cnn

[Nawny]

My computer is acting better. Apparently the problem was caused by updates. Its even better than it was last night!

I have been shutting the laptop down at night and the updates got snafu'd. (IMO) I'm not sure if its good to shut down or not to shut down. Yes? No?
Updated are scheduled to take place at 3am. Anyway, but for 2 recommended updates, everything is good. She's not bustin a sag anymore and running faster. I thought I was going to have to invade popp's old lady desk top computer in the office.. ewwww... I need my window here.

No cawffee near this bad boy! :no:

[Gatordog]

I got the computer to behave for now. I ran the McAcafee scan, that's my virus protector. I don't use Norton anymore. I had already done that and it showed no viruses. It didn't show any this time either. Hmmm. But it's working better.

I use a wireless connection on this laptop. Sometimes when there are a few using their wireless in the neighborhood, it craps out, but this dragging has been ongoing all day (??) It shows when others are on in the list of connections.

Thanks for all your suggestions girls! :seeya:

Did this all start around the time Poppa moved his office out of the house? Maybe something was screwed by the cable company. Would it surprise you?

[Gatordog]

For all you dog lovers out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17edn_RZoY


I look up and I see both....:rose:


Gator

[shadydaisy]

Can you imagine if there was a board like this during Chappaquiddick?

man that would be so bad. what a story. I told my dh and he said he had never heard of it..........when I used to go to the cape I did not even want to know where that was.

My DH was talking about this last night. He remembers it well and always felt for Mary Jo's parents.

[tv]

That's not more than an hour away from here. These parts were up in arms for years about that story. I just say it's childhood issues for Teddy. He and his momma had a thang goin on. She ruled his life. :confused: He made it in spite of it. I guess :shrug: We here understand the Jackeens. They were Peck's bad boys. "When they're good they're very good-when their bad they're horrible.."

Anyway he reached sainthood today... go figure!:rolleyes: He'll be meeting Mary-Jo's mom and dad over there.

Hey, Nawny, I grew up not far from McLean outside of DC where Bobby and Ted lived. Their teenagers were wild and the stories used to fly around about the goings on at Hickory Hill, Bobby's house. My stepfather did maintenance on their houses and he used to come home with some very funny stories. Chappaquidick -- I remember it well. It was such a shocking event for the time. I remember feeling very sorry for MaryJo's parents at the time.

[JLette]

Of course you realize, any day you go without posting, the speculation will begin?! Good luck, hun. You must be approaching the "miserable" stage right now, especially with how hot its going to be...

hahaha yea that is why i decided to take a break from my silly games and come on here, make sure no one was taking bets on how long my labor would be lmao. it hasnt been that hot up here actually, it gets nasty in the afternoon but the mornings and nights have been great. misery is my back and my feet lately lol.

went to the doc yesterday and had to be rescheduled cuz she was delivering some other lucky womans baby. i took comfort knowing that someday soon i will be the reason her appts get rescheduled lol

[BeastofBears]

hahaha yea that is why i decided to take a break from my silly games and come on here, make sure no one was taking bets on how long my labor would be lmao. it hasnt been that hot up here actually, it gets nasty in the afternoon but the mornings and nights have been great. misery is my back and my feet lately lol.

went to the doc yesterday and had to be rescheduled cuz she was delivering some other lucky womans baby. i took comfort knowing that someday soon i will be the reason her appts get rescheduled lol

Now there's an idea! Anybody in the pool for 43 hours?

I'm kidding! Here's to less than 4.

[BeastofBears]

For all you dog lovers out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17edn_RZoY


I look up and I see both....:rose:


Gator

Awwww! I just emailed that out to every dog owner I know!!!! Thank you, it made my day!

[BeastofBears]

My DH was talking about this last night. He remembers it well and always felt for Mary Jo's parents.

Their only child. How could you go on, yet they did? But the lack of enthusiastic investigation that would never happen today. Different world. I just figure no one wanted to go after the last Kennedy boy.

imo.

[JLette]

Now there's an idea! Anybody in the pool for 43 hours?

I'm kidding! Here's to less than 4.


lmao well, my first was about 4 hours, hopefully this one will be faster lol. :biggrin: i can always hope

[shadydaisy]

Their only child. How could you go on, yet they did? But the lack of enthusiastic investigation that would never happen today. Different world. I just figure no one wanted to go after the last Kennedy boy.

imo.

So true - the Kennedy's were untouchable at that time.

lmao well, my first was about 4 hours, hopefully this one will be faster lol. :biggrin: i can always hope

My 2nd was almost born in the elevator. The dr. said that my labor was too quick and that wasn't good - I thought it was great.

[BeastofBears]

So true - the Kennedy's were untouchable at that time.



My 2nd was almost born in the elevator. The dr. said that my labor was too quick and that wasn't good - I thought it was great.

Yeah, they had to slow me down with an epidural. Oh, and I'm sure shut me up was an added bonus for them and the other women in L+D.

[JLette]

Yeah, they had to slow me down with an epidural. Oh, and I'm sure shut me up was an added bonus for them and the other women in L+D.

lol. i went in for induction on my fifth day overdue and i was in their for about 12 hours before labor started. then it started and progressed rather quickly and then they gave me the epidural and RIGHT AFTER that it was like my body said, oh good i cant feel anything, lets get this done lmao.

[deacon]

haha i am good, lurking around here and there. the past two days i got sucked into this stupid game i bought myself for my bday last month lol. the sims 3, i think i sat here and played for almost 9 hours the other day :eek: took a break today to catch up on all my message boards lol.

i am officially FULL TERM on sunday, then my boy turns 4 years old on wednesday, so any time after that this kid can make his appearance and it will be just FIIIIINE with me lmao. i am beyond ready :D

HA My son turns 25 on next Wednesday,:beer:

[Gatordog]

Awwww! I just emailed that out to every dog owner I know!!!! Thank you, it made my day!

It's so true. Everytime I'm upset at something, I am always greeted with a happy tail at the door. And I wake up to a big hug from Mac every morning. He likes to put his head against my neck and hug me.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

That's not more than an hour away from here. These parts were up in arms for years about that story. I just say it's childhood issues for Teddy. He and his momma had a thang goin on. She ruled his life. :confused: He made it in spite of it. I guess :shrug: We here understand the Jackeens. They were Peck's bad boys. "When they're good they're very good-when their bad they're horrible.."

Anyway he reached sainthood today... go figure!:rolleyes: He'll be meeting Mary-Jo's mom and dad over there.

Nawny I bet you know a whole lot more about this case. I just remember being horrified. Those days there was not a lot of crime and coverups on the media. I guess I am still angry about it. yes he is seeing them now. sara

[SaraSidle]

It's so true. Everytime I'm upset at something, I am always greeted with a happy tail at the door. And I wake up to a big hug from Mac every morning. He likes to put his head against my neck and hug me.

Gator

Thank you gator. that was lovely. you are lucky you have Mac. sara

[Nawny]

Did this all start around the time Poppa moved his office out of the house? Maybe something was screwed by the cable company. Would it surprise you?

Ooooooo don't make poppa get of his chair!! LOL! That cable word is a bad word! I can't even ask how things are going and he does that SLOWLY I TURN THING! :chicken:

[SaraSidle]

Ooooooo don't make poppa get of his chair!! LOL! That cable word is a bad word! I can't even ask how things are going and he does that SLOWLY I TURN THING! :chicken:

Oh Nawny sounds bad. ssshhhh. Your computer sounds a little like mine did. not slow but I was refusing some updates like "Windows 7". I think if you leave the computer off you should still get updates. when you turn it on a message should tell you they are waiting for your attention.

sara

I wonder if Poppa watched the 3 stooges a lot. They loved doing the turn thing.

[Nawny]

My DH was talking about this last night. He remembers it well and always felt for Mary Jo's parents.

I did too. Her parents were devastated but somewhere along the line they forgave it all. Ted seemed to have suffered greatly with guilt for that accident and got forgiven.

They were both drinking that night and I saw the bridge, which they had never repaired. It was a bunch of rotting boards and no car would have made it across there. iirc, he took a wrong turn. No lights, no signs, just murky salt water with tall grass and white sand. I understand how he did that, and I also understand why he didn't report it till the next day. That family was extraordinarily powerful, as history has shown. Joe Kennedy was a murdering SOB, and Rose was nuts. They suffered for their history and I think Ted was the best one of the group.

There is a book called Captains and Kings that is said to be about the Kennedy family.OMG! If it is, then Joseph Kennedy was one hell of a devil.

He had a mistress for years who never married. he built her a house within view of his own upstairs window. She died of cancer, and he was right there with her till she took her last breath. They also had an apartment in Manhattan. No one dared say a word.

According to the book, Joseph's father came to America first. He came over on the ship with his mother, who was pregnant at the time and gave birth to twins en route. She died, and when he arrived with the two newborns, he learned his father had died before he got here. He was greeted by his uncle.

At the age of 12 he told his uncle the twins were not to be adopted but put into a convent and he would pay the two dollars a week to keep them there until he was old enough to take care of them. He then took up working for a bootleg operation and rented a room in a rooming house for a few dollars a week. He was already intimidating at the age of 12. His uncle stepped aside.

When he saw the mansions he'd deliver booze to by the lot, he learned they were owned by politicians.. the mayor, governor etc. He acquired no respect for the law immediately. He also was determined to become a politician for financial gain. This is where it all began and why he pushed his kids to be elected officials.

JFK went to law school in Boston and fell in love with a girl that his father knew nothing of. He want JFK to marry Jackie because her family was influential. When he learned of his son's secret marriage, he called on the right people to make it disappear in all record. THe girl had a breakdown and her father approached Joseph K and told him he refused to honor the dissolving of the marriage.

Joseph Kennedy expected this and had learned that that man had one negro in his bloodline and threatened to expose him ... and he bought out the man's debts. He threatened to take the man's assets and that night, the girls father committed suicide, but before he died he sent Joseph Kennedy a telegram. It spoke of a curse on the Kennedy family. The story has it that JFK never loved Jackie and never stopped loving that girl in Boston. But he didn't need the curse, he paid plenty of Karma.

So the story goes. I believe all of it.

[Nawny]

Oh Nawny sounds bad. ssshhhh. Your computer sounds a little like mine did. not slow but I was refusing some updates like "Windows 7". I think if you leave the computer off you should still get updates. when you turn it on a message should tell you they are waiting for your attention.

sara

I wonder if Poppa watched the 3 stooges a lot. They loved doing the turn thing.

Haa! Yes I remember the 3 stooges. I think work for the cable company now. :hat::hat::hat:

Okay, I have seen that message to begin update but stupid me thought. hmmm this is automatic so I don't have to click yes. I can be a bobblehead with computers. Thank you Sara. Now I know better.

[BeastofBears]

It's so true. Everytime I'm upset at something, I am always greeted with a happy tail at the door. And I wake up to a big hug from Mac every morning. He likes to put his head against my neck and hug me.

Gator

Pure love comes from dogs.

My best friend was a cat person/dog hater until she fell in love with her brother's teacup Yorkie. Then when ex-sister-in-law asked her to take him to the vet to put him down because of a curable health problem, my bf dognapped him and is now a much happier person. Now I get to hear cute dog stories from her. Took her a couple of months to tell them he was alive and hers, now, though, lol!

Dogs are good for the health, both mental and physical.

[BeastofBears]

Haa! Yes I remember the 3 stooges. I think work for the cable company now. :hat::hat::hat:

Okay, I have seen that message to begin update but stupid me thought. hmmm this is automatic so I don't have to click yes. I can be a bobblehead with computers. Thank you Sara. Now I know better.

Yeah, my cable company!

Does anyone have the Dish or Direct tv? I'm looking for a change and need advice.

[Nawny]

Nawny I bet you know a whole lot more about this case. I just remember being horrified. Those days there was not a lot of crime and coverups on the media. I guess I am still angry about it. yes he is seeing them now. sara

Well being right here, there was a lot of talk, but the man did pay when he lost the prez election in the 80's and definitely on a personal level as well.
On a National scale he wasn't redeemed. It seems he has been redeemed since though. His mission was health care reform.

There was a story about a baby in Russia who was dying in a hospital because she couldn't digest the food there. There was no baby formula available. Her grandmother lived in Ma. and the story got to Ted K that they refused to let her leave Russia because her father was exposed to top secret material. Ted flew to Russia, spoke to the president and used his clout to get them out. Long story shirt, he found the man a job and saved the little girl.

According to the father, there was midnight meeting in Russia where Ted walked into the room with 2 KGB guys and waved at them saying, Go away, and they actually did leave the room.. this is the kind of clout the Kennedy's have.

The girl's father is now in research and is positioned in a 6 figure job. His daughter is gorgeous and inspired by her life experience, she works to help the poor.

I read this article last night. But Ted is no less important that Dominick Dunne and the media circus is on the Kennedy's.

[Nawny]

Yeah, my cable company!

Does anyone have the Dish or Direct tv? I'm looking for a change and need advice.

Yes, Gator has the dish now! She went through something similar to what poppa did and he now has frontal lobe damage from it all. He can't go dish in his building but he was ready to build a system of his own, which includes cans and strings.

[Nawny]

Pure love comes from dogs.

My best friend was a cat person/dog hater until she fell in love with her brother's teacup Yorkie. Then when ex-sister-in-law asked her to take him to the vet to put him down because of a curable health problem, my bf dognapped him and is now a much happier person. Now I get to hear cute dog stories from her. Took her a couple of months to tell them he was alive and hers, now, though, lol!

Dogs are good for the health, both mental and physical.


Great story !!


I wish I had a normal dog. Everyone else has a normal dog. I've had 6 and not one of them listen to me. I should have texted them.

They only listened to poppa. AND I FED THEM!

[Nawny]

HA My son turns 25 on next Wednesday,:beer:

He's a pup! ;-) Glad to hear he's out there on his own. That's unusual for his generation. Happy birthday to your boy!:)

[JLette]

HA My son turns 25 on next Wednesday,:beer:

well happy bday to him too :beer:

this is going to be my sons last bday as an only child so we are gonna do our best to make it super fun for him. he wanted his friends from day care to come but in order to have papa at the party we have to do it on wednesday cuz papa has to work after that, and all his friends stay at day care until about 5pm, so we are just gonna have him go to "school" on his bday and play with his friends there and then come home and have spongebob cake and all kinds of fun stuff. we got him a bike this year too. he already had a bike but it is too big and heavy for him and he cant make it move with his little legs lol, so we got him one size smaller and hopefully he will be able to ride it.

[SaraSidle]

Haa! Yes I remember the 3 stooges. I think work for the cable company now. :hat::hat::hat:

Okay, I have seen that message to begin update but stupid me thought. hmmm this is automatic so I don't have to click yes. I can be a bobblehead with computers. Thank you Sara. Now I know better.

Actually Nanwy I know probably about as much as you. Mine kept wanting to update to windows 7. I have heard they do not have the bugs worked out yet from my brother so I refused to update. my new one here is a vista which is between a 6 (my old one) and a 7. when vista first came out there were bugs also but they are pretty much cleared up now. my brother tells me this. that is why I know not to do all updates. I sure wish everything was so much easier. You think it would be with new technology but it seems to get worse the better things get "supposedly." I also spent 4 hours on the phone over the modem. Way too long of a story there. LOL sara

thanks for that tidbit on the Kennedys. All stuff I never heard.

[Nawny]

Hey, Nawny, I grew up not far from McLean outside of DC where Bobby and Ted lived. Their teenagers were wild and the stories used to fly around about the goings on at Hickory Hill, Bobby's house. My stepfather did maintenance on their houses and he used to come home with some very funny stories. Chappaquidick -- I remember it well. It was such a shocking event for the time. I remember feeling very sorry for MaryJo's parents at the time.


Yes they are quite the family. Ted Kennedy's boy is our State rep here in RI and I don't know why because no one likes him. I lost count of how many times he's been in a drug treatment facility. I guess addiction doesn't care if you're a Kennedy. I get the creepy feeling that those folks have issues?

There is a popular series on Showtime cable TV called, The Brotherhood.
It's about the Irish mob. Hello? And they talk about us wops? Fugeddaboudit, they're worse. Tony Soprano is a monk compared to them.
:D

[SaraSidle]

well happy bday to him too :beer:

this is going to be my sons last bday as an only child so we are gonna do our best to make it super fun for him. he wanted his friends from day care to come but in order to have papa at the party we have to do it on wednesday cuz papa has to work after that, and all his friends stay at day care until about 5pm, so we are just gonna have him go to "school" on his bday and play with his friends there and then come home and have spongebob cake and all kinds of fun stuff. we got him a bike this year too. he already had a bike but it is too big and heavy for him and he cant make it move with his little legs lol, so we got him one size smaller and hopefully he will be able to ride it.

Sounds like a good deal JLette. I bet he is ready to be a big brother now.
sara

[JLette]

finally got the pic off my phone of my baby's first ever shiner! he was running with his friends at day care and he looked behind him for a second and when he turned back he was on a collision course with the monkey bars that he couldn't quite avoid. daddy was so proud tho, he didn't even cry!! tough guy lol. sure was an ugly bruise for about a week tho

[JLette]

Sounds like a good deal JLette. I bet he is ready to be a big brother now.
sara

hahaha so he says, i still think that after about a month of baby bro being here he is gonna be ready to send him back lol but he seems REALLY excited, he even helped me put away all the baby clothes and pack my hospital bag, he's mommy's little sweetheart

[BeastofBears]

Yes they are quite the family. Ted Kennedy's boy is our State rep here in RI and I don't know why because no one likes him. I lost count of how many times he's been in a drug treatment facility. I guess addiction doesn't care if you're a Kennedy. I get the creepy feeling that those folks have issues?

There is a popular series on Showtime cable TV called, The Brotherhood.
It's about the Irish mob. Hello? And they talk about us wops? Fugeddaboudit, they're worse. Tony Soprano is a monk compared to them.
:D

Years before my "connected" grandfather died, he'd had a stroke, and once every year some very well dressed men would visit, apparently to check and make sure he still couldn't speak. Very creepy. When he was a kid, he saw something in Chicago that made him decide to leave the country for years...he never told me about anything about that, but he did tell me adventurous stories about running booze out of Canada starting when he was a teenager.

[BeastofBears]

finally got the pic off my phone of my baby's first ever shiner! he was running with his friends at day care and he looked behind him for a second and when he turned back he was on a collision course with the monkey bars that he couldn't quite avoid. daddy was so proud tho, he didn't even cry!! tough guy lol. sure was an ugly bruise for about a week tho

Awesome one!

[SaraSidle]

Years before my "connected" grandfather died, he'd had a stroke, and once every year some very well dressed men would visit, apparently to check and make sure he still couldn't speak. Very creepy. When he was a kid, he saw something in Chicago that made him decide to leave the country for years...he never told me about anything about that, but he did tell me adventurous stories about running booze out of Canada starting when he was a teenager.

Where was your grandfather from originally?

[BeastofBears]

Where was your grandfather from originally?

Born in New York, his dad was from Ireland. Big family. They moved to Chicago when he was a toddler, and when the Depression hit, the boys decided amongst themselves that they needed to go out and make their way in the world so the girls could stay home where they'd be safe. My grandfather got a job driving trucks full of Canadian alcohol when he was 13.

He taught me to drive when I was 12, unbeknownst to my mom...said you never knew when you'd need to drive, lol!

[Nawny]

Why didn't they find this girl??/ This is very upsetting! Thank God she's alive but still, those poor parents! Can't wait to hear the rest of the story. :cuss:


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/27/california.missing.girl/index.html



I have to go cook dinner for poppa now. Runnin late here! :chicken:

[BeastofBears]

Why didn't they find this girl??/ This is very upsetting! Thank God she's alive but still, those poor parents! Can't wait to hear the rest of the story. :cuss:


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/27/california.missing.girl/index.html



I have to go cook dinner for poppa now. Runnin late here! :chicken:

It was the weirdest thing. There were witnesses, the police were right there, they knew what the car looked like...then nothing. We were all sure they would find her right away of all the kids stolen around that time, but nothing.

I bet this is going to be one of the stranger ones when we find out the whole story. Was she in Antioch this whole time?! How did no one notice her?! Because believe me, this girl was huge news back when.

[JLette]

It was the weirdest thing. There were witnesses, the police were right there, they knew what the car looked like...then nothing. We were all sure they would find her right away of all the kids stolen around that time, but nothing.

I bet this is going to be one of the stranger ones when we find out the whole story. Was she in Antioch this whole time?! How did no one notice her?! Because believe me, this girl was huge news back when.

i am wondering why she waited so long to come forward, only thing i can think of is brainwashing, maybe they had her convinced her family didnt want her anymore :shrug: sad

[BeastofBears]

i am wondering why she waited so long to come forward, only thing i can think of is brainwashing, maybe they had her convinced her family didnt want her anymore :shrug: sad

I sure hope it wasn't because she was locked in a basement like that Austrian freak did...

Maybe they did brainwash her, and then she ran into something that showed people were still looking for her and realized it was a lie. I remember Steven Staynor just wanted to get Timmy White to safety, he didn't know anyone was looking for him, too.

[Gatordog]

Years before my "connected" grandfather died, he'd had a stroke, and once every year some very well dressed men would visit, apparently to check and make sure he still couldn't speak. Very creepy. When he was a kid, he saw something in Chicago that made him decide to leave the country for years...he never told me about anything about that, but he did tell me adventurous stories about running booze out of Canada starting when he was a teenager.

Wow that is creepy. I tell you what, even if I could talk, I'd stay quiet just to stay alive. Wonder which "side" the men were from? Oh, well-dressed, then they weren't Feds, they were the wise guys. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[deacon]

well happy bday to him too :beer:

this is going to be my sons last bday as an only child so we are gonna do our best to make it super fun for him. he wanted his friends from day care to come but in order to have papa at the party we have to do it on wednesday cuz papa has to work after that, and all his friends stay at day care until about 5pm, so we are just gonna have him go to "school" on his bday and play with his friends there and then come home and have spongebob cake and all kinds of fun stuff. we got him a bike this year too. he already had a bike but it is too big and heavy for him and he cant make it move with his little legs lol, so we got him one size smaller and hopefully he will be able to ride it.

If you wait for 5 days (labor day) the next one can share a birthday with me.:D

[deacon]

My wife's grandma went home from the hospital today. She seems to be doing much better right now.

Oh, and my son's team won a big golf tournament at the beach today and he won longest drive. This is a reall big thing at the beach. Large charity thing. He played for one of the big golf courses. Cool

[BeastofBears]

I sure hope it wasn't because she was locked in a basement like that Austrian freak did...

Maybe they did brainwash her, and then she ran into something that showed people were still looking for her and realized it was a lie. I remember Steven Staynor just wanted to get Timmy White to safety, he didn't know anyone was looking for him, too.

Guess I'm psychic. We DO have our own Austrian dungeon situation here in the Bay Area now...I posted the story update on the missing children board.

[BeastofBears]

Wow that is creepy. I tell you what, even if I could talk, I'd stay quiet just to stay alive. Wonder which "side" the men were from? Oh, well-dressed, then they weren't Feds, they were the wise guys. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

I've always wondered if it wasn't St. Valentine's Day massacre related. The timing is right, based on the desperate telegrams asking my great-aunt for money-to be sent to a pseudonym, and his working for the Irish. But then there was the argument with my grandmother where she was yelling about the "hatchet killing" (believed to be witnessed, not performed)...maybe more than one incident, who knows? He really did never talk, even when he could. She would never explain that fight, either!

Weirdly, even though he was an alcoholic and would drive drunk all the time...the LA police always released him once they realized "who he was", also very creepy. And he never had any money, so he couldn't have been a big shot, right? Ah, the mystery!

[Nawny]

It was the weirdest thing. There were witnesses, the police were right there, they knew what the car looked like...then nothing. We were all sure they would find her right away of all the kids stolen around that time, but nothing.

I bet this is going to be one of the stranger ones when we find out the whole story. Was she in Antioch this whole time?! How did no one notice her?! Because believe me, this girl was huge news back when.

I'm waiting for the whole story to come out. This 18 years is a lifetime for her and her parents. What in the world can be going on in her head. This is going to be a text book case for sure. If she was 11, she was already programed pretty much. She had to have been disassociating big time!

How I wonder is her mother going to deal with having grandchildren born of that pervert POC. He was in jail for this chit, they let him out! When are they going to stop letting them out to offend again!? I don't understand!

The poor girl can't be right anymore, how can she be? My major question is, why did it take so long for her to get help?

[BeastofBears]

My wife's grandma went home from the hospital today. She seems to be doing much better right now.

Oh, and my son's team won a big golf tournament at the beach today and he won longest drive. This is a reall big thing at the beach. Large charity thing. He played for one of the big golf courses. Cool

Oh, deacon, that is blasting good news! I am so glad she is feeling better! and the son! everything's coming up :rose: today, sounds like!

[deacon]

Oh, deacon, that is blasting good news! I am so glad she is feeling better! and the son! everything's coming up :rose: today, sounds like!

Real good day today. He was coming home to play in one with his grandpa and I but the boss changed his day off because one of the other guys grandfather that he had never met died and he had to go home for three days for the funeral. Kinda upset him a bit that he didn't get any more consideration than that but he will get over it. I think it has as much to do with the big demo day. They have a really big one this weekend and the last one this size he sold $7,000 worth of clubs before lunch.:eek: