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[Nawny]

Okay, so...I dated one Leo, married another. The one I cut loose fit the description. But the one I married, not at all. Must be some planet in the Zippity-Do House or something that makes him different.

LOL! Yep maybe he has stuff in other areas of his chart, but, but .. heh.. Google the "Leo Husband Linda Goodman."

The stuff I'm posting is the tip of the iceberg.

Night night BoB!

[Amy]

deacon-no worries-I luv Hooters wings in fact i am always the one suggesting to go there. Best wings going. I have been there and families are there. Girls are treated with alot of respect from what i have seen. Mostly University students trying to pay their way. I am sure they get folks who are not respectful. We were in Tempe at ASU and wandered upon a Hooters and i said to my son lets go-he's a wings luver too. I had no issue going in there with my son. Nor did he with me. Huge sign warning folks if ya hassle the girls your out. Always seems respectable to me:beer:

Several years ago, DD and I took Mom and my aunt into a Hooters. Mom is in her 80's and auntie not too far behind. There was an older couple there with their young grandkids. Seemed pretty much like a family-type restaurant. Don't even recall that the waitresses were all that skimpy in their attire.

[Amy]

Holy crips what a shock I received yesterday. My mother and I attended a bridal shower in Palm Beach for my nephew's fiancee. We met the girl before, spent many occassions with her. She and my nephew are living with my brother until their house is finished. My brother loves to cook and bake. Needless to say the bride has gained a few pounds. She's very petite, barely five feet tall. Well she walked into the restaurant and I was :eek: After about thirty seconds of staring, I turned to my mother and she was :eek:

I said to Mom "who does she look" and before I finished my mom said "CCCCasey Anthony!) She couldn't even say it. We spent about another minutes with our feet glued to the same spot and our mouths hanging open. :eek::eek: They could be twins!! The bride has changed her hair: stopped highlighting it so it's very dark and parted on the side. She now has little chip monk cheeks. She needs to put her hair back to the way it was and get rid of those cheeks, nose and puffy lips..

Gator

:eek::eek::chicken:

[Amy]

LOL! Yep maybe he has stuff in other areas of his chart, but, but .. heh.. Google the "Leo Husband Linda Goodman."

The stuff I'm posting is the tip of the iceberg.

Night night BoB!

Thanks for posting the Leo thing. I think I must have been born on some weird cusp or something. Fashion doesn't mean a thing to me. A leader I'm not, so much. Not all that social, either. Would really rather spend the time @ home w/a book, or the computer or something like sleeping, lol!!!

But, it hit the nail on the part about not messing w/my kids!!! :cool:

[Nawny]

Thanks for posting the Leo thing. I think I must have been born on some weird cusp or something. Fashion doesn't mean a thing to me. A leader I'm not, so much. Not all that social, either. Would really rather spend the time @ home w/a book, or the computer or something like sleeping, lol!!!

But, it hit the nail on the part about not messing w/my kids!!! :cool:

We are composed of many things astrologically. Sun sign is just the base. And we don't see ourselves the way others see us. Remember when you told us how upset you were when you saw the inefficiency at the hospital? You caused a change. (Leader?) You want things done right. (Leader) It's in there Amy! But of course there are other aspects to all personalities.

There are 12 aspects (houses-signs)

Rising sign is the front door (What you show the public)
Sun Sign (Self)
Moon sign (Emotions)
Venus (How you love)
Jupiter (Luck)
Mars (Force)
Uranus (Group attitude)
Saturn (Malefic)
Pluto
Neptune etc..

Where ever the planets were at birth tells the whole story.

[Nawny]

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/26/news/economy/bernanke_town_hall/index.htm


Duh?

[beemer]

Hi Bob-FYI it looks like Toronto has reached an agreement for their city workers. So the smell should be cleaned up soon :beer:

[beemer]

I couldn't get in touch with my son but his Myspace says he missed another hole in one by two inches. He is a little bummed about that. It would have been his second and this, I am sure, was on a somewhat more difficult course. He said he has shot in the 70's in his last three rounds. He seems to be getting better.:beer:

Ahhhh Bummer. Well he is getting closer. Gawd a hole in one :beer: I certainly have never done it. Boys have and my DH did 2 years ago. Rule is you have to buy everyone in the clubhouse a beer :eek: So now i dont wanna get one;)

[BeastofBears]

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/26/news/economy/bernanke_town_hall/index.htm


Duh?

He might have a vested interest in saying this, ya think?

I mean, hey, historically the economy does come back stronger from these...but how long could it really take? 2 years? 10 years? I know my family never fully recovered from the 1970's. One disaster takes place in a recession (in our case, my dad's death) and you never catch up again.

[BeastofBears]

Hi Bob-FYI it looks like Toronto has reached an agreement for their city workers. So the smell should be cleaned up soon :beer:

Good! To be politically incorrect, it is so 3rd world to have trash piling up!

Are the guys who went on strike the ones who have to clean up the mess? I mean, if going on strike gave me more and smellier work, I would find another way to make my point.

[beemer]

He might have a vested interest in saying this, ya think?

I mean, hey, historically the economy does come back stronger from these...but how long could it really take? 2 years? 10 years? I know my family never fully recovered from the 1970's. One disaster takes place in a recession (in our case, my dad's death) and you never catch up again.
Sorry to hear that Bob that musta been a very tough time for all :rose: It seems to be just really hitting our city now. So many places closing. One of the really big employers will be closing their doors soon. So we have not even seen the spin off from that :shrug:

[beemer]

Good! To be politically incorrect, it is so 3rd world to have trash piling up!

Are the guys who went on strike the ones who have to clean up the mess? I mean, if going on strike gave me more and smellier work, I would find another way to make my point.
I wondered the same thing. Sounds like an agreement will be signed tonight to cement the deal. I will keep ya posted. Right now so many parks etc. are just piled with garbage. Windsor settled a few days ago. Garbage even piled in football fields:confused:

[BeastofBears]

Sorry to hear that Bob that musta been a very tough time for all :rose: It seems to be just really hitting our city now. So many places closing. One of the really big employers will be closing their doors soon. So we have not even seen the spin off from that :shrug:

Yeah, it seems like a 6 month lag on both crashes and recoveries, right? Out housing tanked, but the FIL was saying things were hanging in there back then.

[Gatordog]

Ha Ha! You have a Casey look-alike in your family! (BoB is pointing and laughing!) Soooooo, are you gonna tell her?

:eek: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

No way. She's an attorney. She might sue me.

Gator

[Gatordog]

[/B]

Italian food is the easiest to cook. If you like pasta with red sauce and want it to be delicious, make a simple marinara sauce. It takes 15 minutes.

Put your water on to boil your pasta.
Take a frying pan, pour a bit of oil in it..
Chop a few cloves of garlic or ONION, your preference.
Fry um up a bit, add one can of crushed tomatoes.
Salt, pepper, a teaspoon of suger (if you want) No need for spices at all!
Cook till it bubbles a little.. it's done! That's it.
When the pasta is cooked so is the sauce. Strain your pasta, cover it with sauce.. wella!

Easy!
Delicious!
It's called quick sauce but it's so fresh and tasty!

Chop garlic

I put garlic and onion and to make it perfect, one or two leaves of fresh basil. And, don't forget the Romano cheese. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink056.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[deacon]

Ahhhh Bummer. Well he is getting closer. Gawd a hole in one :beer: I certainly have never done it. Boys have and my DH did 2 years ago. Rule is you have to buy everyone in the clubhouse a beer :eek: So now i dont wanna get one;)

Around here that only counts on 18 if it is a par three.

[beemer]

Gawd we always go back to the food thingy LOL We have a great Italian eatery here and i was just there the other day for lunch. It made Nawny happy i ate carbs ;) We have a new smoke house eatery which i am itching to try. Suppose to be as good as the South. I sure hope so as that is some of the best BBQ i have ever eaten :beer:

[beemer]

I think i will look for a new avatar-scenery again. House is in re-run so looking at House depresses me :)

[SaraSidle]

[/B]

Italian food is the easiest to cook. If you like pasta with red sauce and want it to be delicious, make a simple marinara sauce. It takes 15 minutes.

Put your water on to boil your pasta.
Take a frying pan, pour a bit of oil in it..
Chop a few cloves of garlic or ONION, your preference.
Fry um up a bit, add one can of crushed tomatoes.
Salt, pepper, a teaspoon of suger (if you want) No need for spices at all!
Cook till it bubbles a little.. it's done! That's it.
When the pasta is cooked so is the sauce. Strain your pasta, cover it with sauce.. wella!

Easy!
Delicious!


It's called quick sauce but it's so fresh and tasty!

Chop garlic

You forgot meatballs!!!!!!!! and Grated Parmesan cheese.

[deacon]

He might have a vested interest in saying this, ya think?

I mean, hey, historically the economy does come back stronger from these...but how long could it really take? 2 years? 10 years? I know my family never fully recovered from the 1970's. One disaster takes place in a recession (in our case, my dad's death) and you never catch up again.

Unemployment drop? I don't think so. It is just that a lot of people collecting unemployment will come to the end of their benifits and therefore not be counted anymore. As for lending, we haven't seen the end of the problems. There are still a lot of sub-prime mortgages out there that have not exploded yet. But they will.

[deacon]

Gawd we always go back to the food thingy LOL We have a great Italian eatery here and i was just there the other day for lunch. It made Nawny happy i ate carbs ;) We have a new smoke house eatery which i am itching to try. Suppose to be as good as the South. I sure hope so as that is some of the best BBQ i have ever eaten :beer:

What is the base for their sauce? That is the secret.

[SaraSidle]

:eek: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

No way. She's an attorney. She might sue me.

Gator

Gator I see women that look like Casey now and then and it is freaky. I have to do a double. I am sorry for you. Just glad I am not related. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

What is the base for their sauce? That is the secret.

Extra Virgin Olive oil. so i have heard........LOL

[beemer]

What is the base for their sauce? That is the secret.

Not sure deacon-doubt they will share it. I know the italian restaurant everything is made from scratch-delish :beer:

[beemer]

Around here that only counts on 18 if it is a par three.
Prolly a Canadian thing:eek: I'll have to ask around :confused:

[beemer]

Golf channel to televise the Canadian Open at 2:30 eastern time today. I still call it the Bell open as that who sponsored for years-now its RBC. Goosen leading presently -18 and Weir -12 :eek:

[SaraSidle]

Unemployment drop? I don't think so. It is just that a lot of people collecting unemployment will come to the end of their benifits and therefore not be counted anymore. As for lending, we haven't seen the end of the problems. There are still a lot of sub-prime mortgages out there that have not exploded yet. But they will.

Michigan is so bad. especially the left side where I live. small business owners are selling out. Large owners are laying off (mostly automotive)
and many people are foreclosing and moving out of state. every 12 minutes a family moves. We say "the last one out of Michgian please turn off the lights." I have no idea what I am going to do. just ran out my unemployment. what a journey. hope things change soon. Nobody dares to strike cause they will be layed off. At my DH place they keep making up rules waiting for someone to break one so they can fire them. Be Leary of companies saying "we are one big happy family" you will get stabbed in the back. IMO sara

[Gatordog]

Say what you will about the negative parts of Napoleon's life. He was a generous leader and held his men in his arms often during battle when they were injured. He prized possession was his famous sword and still, one day he found an orphaned little boy and to ease his sadness Napoleon gave that sword to him. He was known for tending to the wounded with his own hands. This is a great trait of Leo.

When he fell in love with Josephine and learned that she was unable to bear him children, he married a 17 year old Polish girl but always loved Josephine. If it is documented truly, it was Josephine who was by his side when he died.

I love that story.

When I was a kid, we always ate dinner with the 4:00 movie playing on the small b&w tv. (Later we switched to McCale's Navy and Gilligan's Island. Anything to make Dad laugh.) This is going back about 40 years. There was a movie called Desiree which I remember so clearly. It was about Napoleon and it was so interesting plus the ladies wore the prettiest dresses.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Gator I see women that look like Casey now and then and it is freaky. I have to do a double. I am sorry for you. Just glad I am not related. IMO sara

Maybe when she's in her bridal dress, I'll take a picture and send it to the Liar and say "It could have been you".

[beemer]

My dad would never let me watch McHales Navy:shrug: What did i miss? Ernest Borgnine ended up here years ago at a local bar. It took a bit but folks did recognize him and i guess he was the nicest guy. Some farmer took him on a road trip to surrounding farms in his pick up.

[beemer]

Maybe when she's in her bridal dress, I'll take a picture and send it to the Liar and say "It could have been you".

Oh you must:beer:

[deacon]

Extra Virgin Olive oil. so i have heard........LOL

The best base for BBQ sauce is vinegar. Lots of pepper and hot sauce. I have eaten catsup based and mustard base and vinegar is the best. Cayane (sp) pepper is also the best. Red Pepper?

[beemer]

New avatar pic was taken at Tortilla Flats AZ. Hairraising ride up and down the mountain. I always take a pic before i hike-in case i dont come out of the desert:eek: The desert is my pretty place:rose:

[BeastofBears]

Unemployment drop? I don't think so. It is just that a lot of people collecting unemployment will come to the end of their benifits and therefore not be counted anymore. As for lending, we haven't seen the end of the problems. There are still a lot of sub-prime mortgages out there that have not exploded yet. But they will.

I remember when I was a kid they changed the counting method from being ALL the unemployed to only those who were ACTIVELY on unemployment. If it ran out, they disappeared from the numbers. It had to be either under Carter or Reagan, not sure which. But even as a kid, I knew they were fudging those numbers.

[BeastofBears]

Michigan is so bad. especially the left side where I live. small business owners are selling out. Large owners are laying off (mostly automotive)
and many people are foreclosing and moving out of state. every 12 minutes a family moves. We say "the last one out of Michgian please turn off the lights." I have no idea what I am going to do. just ran out my unemployment. what a journey. hope things change soon. Nobody dares to strike cause they will be layed off. At my DH place they keep making up rules waiting for someone to break one so they can fire them. Be Leary of companies saying "we are one big happy family" you will get stabbed in the back. IMO sara

Ha! I worked at one of those places where it was all flighty and spiritual and enlightened! We did this management program called Appreciative Inquiry, where all evaluations were positive, no negatives allowed, whether for employees or the organization. Stuff like that. Some of the nastiest employer practices I ever saw took place there. (and it was not the fault of AI-there were actually some good things about that.)

[BeastofBears]

Maybe when she's in her bridal dress, I'll take a picture and send it to the Liar and say "It could have been you".

Be sure to cut a hole out where the groom's head is so she can slip in a picture of the dream groom du jour...JB, her guard...the executioner...


if she's found guilty, of course.

[Nawny]

He might have a vested interest in saying this, ya think?

I mean, hey, historically the economy does come back stronger from these...but how long could it really take? 2 years? 10 years? I know my family never fully recovered from the 1970's. One disaster takes place in a recession (in our case, my dad's death) and you never catch up again.

:( Sorry about your dad BoB.. Not easy. :rose:

How about Buffets analogy about the quicksand? Looks like they are going to have to babysit their bail out action. But who really bailed them out? It wouldn't be all the 401 K's that once belonged to your generation, would it?
Poppa said, if he told what he knows about the insurance industry he'd get a hat pin stuck in his ear in some men's room.

His pat advice DO NOT BUY INSURANCE ONLINE. DO NOT Buy Insurance you do not need. And, pay attention to your policy to notice that you didn't get charged for insurance you did not ask for. That includes, property, auto and commercial insurance. They are sneaky.

[BeastofBears]

The best base for BBQ sauce is vinegar. Lots of pepper and hot sauce. I have eaten catsup based and mustard base and vinegar is the best. Cayane (sp) pepper is also the best. Red Pepper?

I have a ketchup and vinegar based one that is meant for slow-broiling in the oven that is totally great. Best on beef ribs. I got it from a 1950's cookbook. Best stuff in there, if you ignore the fluffy hot-pink cakes-no concerns about health make the best tasting food.

[Nawny]

When I was a kid, we always ate dinner with the 4:00 movie playing on the small b&w tv. (Later we switched to McCale's Navy and Gilligan's Island. Anything to make Dad laugh.) This is going back about 40 years. There was a movie called Desiree which I remember so clearly. It was about Napoleon and it was so interesting plus the ladies wore the prettiest dresses.

Gator

One of my sisters would tell me about Napoleon when I was young. She loved him. He was quite a guy, so short, so smart but the romance messed him up,, as it should.. lol! When I saw the latest movie about him a few years ago with Armando Assante as Napoleon, I said, Heck with Bonaparte, gimme Armando!
He's the best looking actor I know.. love him. Where did he go? Haven't seen him anywhere.
http://www.armand-assante.com/


Ooooo Mommmeeee! :punch: Sorry poppa.

[BeastofBears]

:( Sorry about your dad BoB.. Not easy. :rose:

How about Buffets analogy about the quicksand? Looks like they are going to have to babysit their bail out action. But who really bailed them out? It wouldn't be all the 401 K's that once belonged to your generation, would it?
Poppa said, if he told what he knows about the insurance industry he'd get a hat pin stuck in his ear in some men's room.

His pat advice DO NOT BUY INSURANCE ONLINE. DO NOT Buy Insurance you do not need. And, pay attention to your policy to notice that you didn't get charged for insurance you did not ask for. That includes, property, auto and commercial insurance. They are sneaky.

That's good advice. I'll pass it on to the boss...I vetoed earthquake insurance after reading the policy, even though we are in prime earthquake area, like 2 miles from the Hayward Fault. The deductible was so high, that anything short of a Great Quake would not be financially feasible. It was, I think, $50,000, and the payment was thousands per year. Less than an 8.0 would not be covered, basically, to get that much damage. It is more cost-effective to use a year's premium to seismically retro-fit our home, and that's what I did. One upgrade I haven't done yet is add a flexible gas line. Most earthquake damage comes from fires after.

If the Big One hits dead center on the Bay Area, the whole country is hosed. Our insurance company may not exist to get the money from anyway. Same thing if the New Madrid blows, or if that hidden fault in New York City goes...

[Nawny]

Ha! I worked at one of those places where it was all flighty and spiritual and enlightened! We did this management program called Appreciative Inquiry, where all evaluations were positive, no negatives allowed, whether for employees or the organization. Stuff like that. Some of the nastiest employer practices I ever saw took place there. (and it was not the fault of AI-there were actually some good things about that.)

Ahh the pink cloud I remember so well!

[Nawny]

That's good advice. I'll pass it on to the boss...I vetoed earthquake insurance after reading the policy, even though we are in prime earthquake area, like 2 miles from the Hayward Fault. The deductible was so high, that anything short of a Great Quake would not be financially feasible. It was, I think, $50,000, and the payment was thousands per year. Less than an 8.0 would not be covered, basically, to get that much damage. It is more cost-effective to use a year's premium to seismically retro-fit our home, and that's what I did. One upgrade I haven't done yet is add a flexible gas line. Most earthquake damage comes from fires after.

If the Big One hits dead center on the Bay Area, the whole country is hosed. Our insurance company may not exist to get the money from anyway. Same thing if the New Madrid blows, or if that hidden fault in New York City goes...

Youre a smart little sun of a gun! ;)

Money money money,, it's a rich man's world! Abba!

[deacon]

I remember when I was a kid they changed the counting method from being ALL the unemployed to only those who were ACTIVELY on unemployment. If it ran out, they disappeared from the numbers. It had to be either under Carter or Reagan, not sure which. But even as a kid, I knew they were fudging those numbers.

It is serious fudging now. They just don't want to admit that we are in trouble. We don't make anything here anymore. It is all made in another country and shipped here. That is where all the jobs went. NAFTA was the very worse thing we ever did. We let companies "move" to another country, off shore, and still keep their offices here. The avoid taxes that way. Every bit of the taxes they avoid we pay because the government sure isn't going to stop spending it. That was the blurb Obama said on tv about the one building that was a very small office which housed 80 companies that were once American companies and are now off shore companies. Much stinketh in Denmark.:patriot:

[BeastofBears]

It is serious fudging now. They just don't want to admit that we are in trouble. We don't make anything here anymore. It is all made in another country and shipped here. That is where all the jobs went. NAFTA was the very worse thing we ever did. We let companies "move" to another country, off shore, and still keep their offices here. The avoid taxes that way. Every bit of the taxes they avoid we pay because the government sure isn't going to stop spending it. That was the blurb Obama said on tv about the one building that was a very small office which housed 80 companies that were once American companies and are now off shore companies. Much stinketh in Denmark.:patriot:

But its all about having a "service based economy" now, deacon! (but what happens when no one has any money to pay for services? or...they automate the bridge-toll taking, and the food ordering, and the phone systems, and home depot has all self-service check out...ummm, then what do we do? If we can't make anything, and all customer service is automated, then what? die, die, die...)

[deacon]

But its all about having a "service based economy" now, deacon! (but what happens when no one has any money to pay for services? or...they automate the bridge-toll taking, and the food ordering, and the phone systems, and home depot has all self-service check out...ummm, then what do we do? If we can't make anything, and all customer service is automated, then what? die, die, die...)

It is all about greed. "The love of money is the root of all evil."

[Nawny]

It is all about greed. "The love of money is the root of all evil."

Well it would be nice if the money had something to back it besides FAITH AND TRUST IN THE US GOVERNMENT. Keep printing those worthless dollars and we will have to pay a hundred dollars for a cuppa cawfee.

I give you 2 meatballs, you give me 2 corn? No wait, I give you 4 meatball you give me one chair. No, no, okay, I give you promisary note for 10 meatball and you give me a horse and some day, I'll pay you with ten promisary notes which you can turn over to someone else for many meatball and get promisary note for a dead horse.

Yeah, dats right, dats the ticket! :patriot::patriot:

[Nawny]

But its all about having a "service based economy" now, deacon! (but what happens when no one has any money to pay for services? or...they automate the bridge-toll taking, and the food ordering, and the phone systems, and home depot has all self-service check out...ummm, then what do we do? If we can't make anything, and all customer service is automated, then what? die, die, die...)



Ahhh yep! Especially if the automation is produced in a foriegn country.
Bring back the good ole bad ole days when the small guys knew your name when you walked into their stores.

[deacon]

Well it would be nice if the money had something to back it besides FAITH AND TRUST IN THE US GOVERNMENT. Keep printing those worthless dollars and we will have to pay a hundred dollars for a cuppa cawfee.

I give you 2 meatballs, you give me 2 corn? No wait, I give you 4 meatball you give me one chair. No, no, okay, I give you promisary note for 10 meatball and you give me a horse and some day, I'll pay you with ten promisary notes which you can turn over to someone else for many meatball and get promisary note for a dead horse.

Yeah, dats right, dats the ticket! :patriot::patriot:

Sounds good to me. Politicians really like beating a dead horse.

[Nawny]

Sounds good to me. Politicians really like beating a dead horse.

That was very good deacon. :seeya: LOL!LOL!LOL!

[SaraSidle]

New avatar pic was taken at Tortilla Flats AZ. Hairraising ride up and down the mountain. I always take a pic before i hike-in case i dont come out of the desert:eek: The desert is my pretty place:rose:

WOW You must have stopped the vehicle for that one. very pretty. sara

[Nawny]

Danny’s Favorite Story

One day, when Danny was fifteen years old and acting out some non-conformist behaviors, I asked him to lie down on his bed for a while to do some thinking. I placed a headset on his head, connected to a small tape player, which held an audio recording of Richard Bach’s Jonathan Livingston Seagull and asked him to listen to the story. I hoped I could perform the miracle of reprogramming his unyielding mind set.

A passage from Jonathan Livingston Seagull
By Richard Bach

"It was morning, and the new sun sparkled gold across the ripples of a gentle sea. A mile from shore a fishing boat chummed the water. And the word for Breakfast Flock flashed through the air, till a crowd of a thousand seagulls came to dodge and fight for bits of food. It was another busy day beginning.

But way off alone, out by himself beyond boat and shore, Jonathan Livingston Seagull was practicing. A hundred feet in the sky he lowered his webbed feet, lifted his beak, and strained to hold a painful hard twisting curve through his wings.

The curve meant that he would fly slowly, and now he slowed until the wind was a whisper in his face, until the ocean stood still beneath him. He narrowed his eyes in fierce concentration, held his breath, forced one... single... more... inch...of... curve...Then his feathers ruffled, he stalled and fell. Seagulls, as you know, never falter, never stall. To stall in the air is for them disgrace and it is dishonor.
But Jonathan Livingston Seagull, unashamed, stretching his wings again in that trembling hard curve - slowing, slowing, and stalling once more - was no ordinary bird. Most gulls don’t bother to learn more than the simplest facts of flight -how to get from shore to food and back again. For most gulls, it is not flying that matters, but eating. For this gull, though, it was not eating that mattered, but flight.

More than anything else, Jonathan Livingston Seagull loved to fly. This kind of thinking, he found, is not the way to make one self popular with other birds. Even his parents were dismayed as Jonathan spent whole days alone, making hundreds of low-level glides, experimenting."
From a very young age, Danny showed me that he was not going to walk to the beat of anyone’s drum but his own. Shortly before he died, I asked him why he refused to stop arguing with tradition.

He stated simply, “Because I want to fly higher, Mom.”

[Nawny]

Another excerpt from Why Whisper

Never, never, never give up. Winston Churchill

What Say You Danny Boy?


"As I settled into bed one night, I thought about this manuscript and wondered where it was going. Sitting up next to my sleeping husband, I spoke to Danny and asked him to help me. Even though I know we can’t ask the dead for favors I asked anyway. “Danny, the book, what will I do with it?”

When I leaned back on the pillow a movie began to play in my mind. It played out on a screen as if I were seated in a cinema with a private screening for one. So close I could touch him, I saw Danny. He was like a song looking for a sound it could not find. I saw him appear to me in frames.

In each frame, I saw him in a different posture. Frame after frame, changing quickly and speeding by, like a clicking camera imbedded in my head behind my earth eyes. The pictures were not films. He was alive. He was happy. It frightened me because I was not controlling the visions.

I tried to stop the pictures, until I realized that I had no control over what I was seeing. Suddenly and not without fear, I let go of my resistance to these visions. I saw him and he was as real as the room I was in, with the period wallpaper and the soft cotton covered bed I was sitting in. Danny was throwing his head back in his usual way and laughing out loud. In the next frame, his eyes squinted as if he was kidding with me. I watched his profile as I had so many times before. Again I marveled at the contours of his face.

This was a miraculous thing and had never happened to me before. There is no doubt in my mind that I was a witness to an existence not of my realm. He was showing me that he was free and alive, as alive as he had always been. Suddenly he was kneeling on top of the roof hammering shingles into place, I looked up at him, and he smiled. Next, I saw him hugging his brother, and teasing his sisters with his animated way of mimicking some funny person he met. I saw him sleeping softly on the couch, and his face looked so peaceful. I saw the twinkle from the reflections in his beautiful brown eyes, and watched them dance while he smiled that Danny smile I so loved.

It made me sad and anxious when I saw the view wind down. I wanted him to show me more, to be with me longer but the frames got smaller until they were gone. I was wide awake and knew it wasn’t a dream. Finally, before the dimming projector light faded, I heard him say, “Ma, the book…just tell the truth.”

[Nawny]

Excerpt from Why Whisper.........


A Sister’s Poem


One plaid flannel shirt hangs on a nail
I planted desperately in the door of my grief room
One drunken lonely November night
The absence of matter

Obvious
By the way gravity lands each fold
By the way devastation creases my face
I have stared at the flannel lines for hours
They seem to have tangled up in them
A pain bigger than the rivers i cry

My brother
Lost in the directionless lines
Of one plaid flannel shirt
On November 9, 2001
I became a human being less than I was
And a human being more
Than I was

I am two gray hairs changed
And one line in my brow aged
I am one four years of life enriched
And one 32 year old life, missing
I am a past that has undefined me
And a future that promises me
I am angry sometimes

And the anger is for things
Like yellowed newspaper clippings
No one cares about anymore
I was a child once

I had a brother I couldn’t save
And I wonder if he hears me
When I say I am sorry"

Author of the poem

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[Nawny]

Can't sleep.. :read:


I need a :punch:



:shrug:

[Marian Paroo]

Can't sleep.. :read:


I need a :punch:



:shrug:

Wanna come over here and help me search ejournals?

I'm at work.

[DrewBerry]

Can't sleep.. :read:


I need a :punch:



:shrug:


Me too, Nawny. Wide awake; the heat is unbearable here. Wide awake.
Haven't seen much of you lately. . . doing OK? I've missed you lately.
Good to see you, :seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Another excerpt from Why Whisper

Never, never, never give up. Winston Churchill

What Say You Danny Boy?


"As I settled into bed one night, I thought about this manuscript and wondered where it was going. Sitting up next to my sleeping husband, I spoke to Danny and asked him to help me. Even though I know we can’t ask the dead for favors I asked anyway. “Danny, the book, what will I do with it?”

When I leaned back on the pillow a movie began to play in my mind. It played out on a screen as if I were seated in a cinema with a private screening for one. So close I could touch him, I saw Danny. He was like a song looking for a sound it could not find. I saw him appear to me in frames.

In each frame, I saw him in a different posture. Frame after frame, changing quickly and speeding by, like a clicking camera imbedded in my head behind my earth eyes. The pictures were not films. He was alive. He was happy. It frightened me because I was not controlling the visions.

I tried to stop the pictures, until I realized that I had no control over what I was seeing. Suddenly and not without fear, I let go of my resistance to these visions. I saw him and he was as real as the room I was in, with the period wallpaper and the soft cotton covered bed I was sitting in. Danny was throwing his head back in his usual way and laughing out loud. In the next frame, his eyes squinted as if he was kidding with me. I watched his profile as I had so many times before. Again I marveled at the contours of his face.

This was a miraculous thing and had never happened to me before. There is no doubt in my mind that I was a witness to an existence not of my realm. He was showing me that he was free and alive, as alive as he had always been. Suddenly he was kneeling on top of the roof hammering shingles into place, I looked up at him, and he smiled. Next, I saw him hugging his brother, and teasing his sisters with his animated way of mimicking some funny person he met. I saw him sleeping softly on the couch, and his face looked so peaceful. I saw the twinkle from the reflections in his beautiful brown eyes, and watched them dance while he smiled that Danny smile I so loved.

It made me sad and anxious when I saw the view wind down. I wanted him to show me more, to be with me longer but the frames got smaller until they were gone. I was wide awake and knew it wasn’t a dream. Finally, before the dimming projector light faded, I heard him say, “Ma, the book…just tell the truth.”

Simply beautiful. Touched my heart. :rose: Love your poem, too, Nawn.
DrewB

[Nawny]

Simply beautiful. Touched my heart. :rose: Love your poem, too, Nawn.
DrewB

Thank you DrewB. That was written by my daughter. Sometimes late at night, I get to thinking. There's an angel on my shoulder and he bugs me often. :)

Washington is having the same weather as here, yes?

[Nawny]

Wanna come over here and help me search ejournals?

I'm at work.

I'd love to do that! Wish I could! :seeya:

[beemer]

WOW You must have stopped the vehicle for that one. very pretty. sara
We had reached the top at this point. I could not take any pics of the hairraising part. Narrow road and huge drop straight down-far down:eek: No guard rails etc and hair pin turns.

[beemer]

Nawny thanks you for sharing again. Your words and your daughters tug at my heart strings and leave me speechless :rose: For Danny :rose:

[Nawny]

Nawny thanks you for sharing again. Your words and your daughters tug at my heart strings and leave me speechless :rose: For Danny :rose:

Thank you baby.. it's my way of keeping him alive. Not that anyone really dies.. we just change rooms. Bless your heart Bree.

For Danny:rose:

[BeastofBears]

That was beautiful, Nawny. Yours and hers.

[beemer]

Thank you baby.. it's my way of keeping him alive. Not that anyone really dies.. we just change rooms. Bless your heart Bree.

For Danny:rose:
Your welcome Nawny-I like that-we only change rooms. How true. For Danny and others who have changed rooms :rose:

[beemer]

Did ya finally get some sleep Nawny? I had a restless night too. I should got up and popped in here. I worked till midnight then hubby snored-alot. Rain again here today-what else is new:shrug:

[BeastofBears]

Did ya finally get some sleep Nawny? I had a restless night too. I should got up and popped in here. I worked till midnight then hubby snored-alot. Rain again here today-what else is new:shrug:

What I wouldn't give for a nice rainy day...a little fire in the fireplace, cookies baking, the blinds wide open to the rain, the wind whipping the rain onto the windows, the little sound on the roof, the smell of wet dog...*sigh*

[beemer]

What I wouldn't give for a nice rainy day...a little fire in the fireplace, cookies baking, the blinds wide open to the rain, the wind whipping the rain onto the windows, the little sound on the roof, the smell of wet dog...*sigh*

Gawd i will send it your way Bob. I rec'd an email from my cousin-states it rained all but 4 days in July-i think he is right :shrug:

[beemer]

Wow-quiet in here today. I am on my second pot of cawfee-still waiting for it to kick in :shrug: I have awakened the last 2 mornings with shades of that pinched nerve neck thingy. Strange part is it goes away as the day wears on? Not typical of last time where it pained and just stayed that way. After 6 weeks i finally went to a chiropracter for the first time ever. He told me never to leave it so long so i think it took about 5 weeks to get it worked out. I tend to blame my pillow this time as i am waking with it and i think i will look into one of those geared to those with neck probs. I gotta work mate who has one so i will chat with her today. I know she went thru a few before finding the right one and they aint cheap. Any suggestions????

[deacon]

I am having one of those days. It is hard to soar with the eagles when you work around turkeys. I'll explain later. Off to yet another meeting. I will either get chewed out or chew someone out. We will see.:(

[beemer]

I am having one of those days. It is hard to soar with the eagles when you work around turkeys. I'll explain later. Off to yet another meeting. I will either get chewed out or chew someone out. We will see.:(
Oh Lordy-well good luck. My work day starts at 4 today:eek:

[Nawny]

That was beautiful, Nawny. Yours and hers.

Thank you BoB. You remind me of my daughter. You and she are taround he same age. You and she seem similar in your ways. She was very close to Danny boy and made him her science project ya know? He was a menace ;) It seemed when he walked through a room, things just broke. :eek: She was his haunt and his rescue team. Her poetry speaks to that. You can see her feelings in the photo with him.

Oddly, or coincidentally, she was trying to get pregnant and couldn't until he passed. She was 37 when she finally had her first child. That's why she became "one human being more than she was" in that poem. Her first is my Capricorn bossy weeble. She's 5 years old now. What a gift!! Actually 7 weebles were born since he died. That crowd is my mega joy!

I'm okay in spite of all that I've seen, but there are nights when he pokes me to remind me he's still here. :)

It's funny, he told me to tell the truth, which is not always pretty. After I began to write candidly of his life I saw the reason he said that to me, as if he were simply asking me to pass the salt. Where he is IMO, there is no shame for anything. The truth is all there is. At first I wasn't sure which truth he wanted me to tell; his, mine or the actual. :) I opted for the actual. THe real problem I had with that was, I didn't think anyone would believe the actual.

The book brings the reader to peace at the end. Even comic relief is there. Thank you for reading my words. :o


:rose:

[BeastofBears]

Wow-quiet in here today. I am on my second pot of cawfee-still waiting for it to kick in :shrug: I have awakened the last 2 mornings with shades of that pinched nerve neck thingy. Strange part is it goes away as the day wears on? Not typical of last time where it pained and just stayed that way. After 6 weeks i finally went to a chiropracter for the first time ever. He told me never to leave it so long so i think it took about 5 weeks to get it worked out. I tend to blame my pillow this time as i am waking with it and i think i will look into one of those geared to those with neck probs. I gotta work mate who has one so i will chat with her today. I know she went thru a few before finding the right one and they aint cheap. Any suggestions????

If it's what I get, I've found that rolling a t-shirt like a sausage and putting it under the neck, the sleeping on my back fixes it. The key for me is the angle of the neck tilt while I sleep. (this is only when it acts up, I don't sleep like this all the time) I tried every pillow in our house and found a decorative couch pillow worked best for me...so before you ante up, try what you have is my advice

[Nawny]

Did ya finally get some sleep Nawny? I had a restless night too. I should got up and popped in here. I worked till midnight then hubby snored-alot. Rain again here today-what else is new:shrug:

I did Bree. I woke up on the couch, around midnight. bad! Then I finally crawled upstairs and the room was so nice and cool. I was awake for a while then finally got to sleep around 3am. Slept till 6:30am. It seems to happen monthly for some reason. I have to go check to see if there's a full moon. I'll be happy when the master bed and bath are downstairs. Then I can shuffle off to bed instead of climb up the stairs. I'm getting lazy in my old age.
Poppa wants a laundry room here on the 1st floor.. Why? I don't want to look at it. LOL! I should be washing clothes now!

I always get online when I'm wide awake at night. You girls are wonderful. I love to read your stuff! :)


I am amazed that there is still buckets of stuff on M Jackson! What the eff?

[Nawny]

What I wouldn't give for a nice rainy day...a little fire in the fireplace, cookies baking, the blinds wide open to the rain, the wind whipping the rain onto the windows, the little sound on the roof, the smell of wet dog...*sigh*

Ahh what a precious visual! It's not like that here. It's like, "Fongoul! It's raining AGAIN!!!?!?!?"

And of course can't hang the clothes on the line.. (GOOD)


Today it started out wet. I looked out the window in my bedroom before I woke up and everything was dark and wet. The sun came out and while driving to do my errands it got overcast.
It looks like rain.
Well, no, maybe not.

I hear the rain bird singing... :cuss:

[Nawny]

If it's what I get, I've found that rolling a t-shirt like a sausage and putting it under the neck, the sleeping on my back fixes it. The key for me is the angle of the neck tilt while I sleep. (this is only when it acts up, I don't sleep like this all the time) I tried every pillow in our house and found a decorative couch pillow worked best for me...so before you ante up, try what you have is my advice

I found acupuncture helped the neck thing. I thought it was a pinched nerve too. Turns out, it was not. When you wake up in pain, and it gets better after moving around a bit during the day, it is more than likely one of three things, Stress-arthritis-or a muscular injury. Sometimes it is a pinched nerve. My neck was so bad I couldn't turn my head in either direction. Acupuncture is amazing. I'm still going weekly. I love it!

Fish oil fixes the arthritis. Great stuff! When poppa prescribed it, I thought, yeah right! I didn't believe it would kill the pain of arthritis. I took it every day because he put it in front of me every morning. Last year I went to Florida for 2 weeks and didn't take it. I found out how well it worked. :punch:

[Nawny]

I am having one of those days. It is hard to soar with the eagles when you work around turkeys. I'll explain later. Off to yet another meeting. I will either get chewed out or chew someone out. We will see.:(

The KING of the jungle will win. I have no doubts. Leo, the benevolent leader.

Let us know deacon! :seeya:

[beemer]

Thanks Bob and Nawny-I started back on my Glucosomine i take in winter for a bit of ritis in my finger joints. Almost feels the same pain a tad in my upper back so maybe thats what it is. It has been so damp here with all the rains. it really worked for me in the winter months. Thats why i am wondering if it is the ritis since it seems to ease right off as i get moving. I'll try a rolled up T tonight Bob. Thanks guys-your all just the best :beer:

[beemer]

I hear ya Nawny-wait till the autopsy is out on MJ-there will be an implosion :shrug:

[BeastofBears]

I am having one of those days. It is hard to soar with the eagles when you work around turkeys. I'll explain later. Off to yet another meeting. I will either get chewed out or chew someone out. We will see.:(

good luck!

[BeastofBears]

I hear ya Nawny-wait till the autopsy is out on MJ-there will be an implosion :shrug:

I wonder if that's why there's a raid today-they got official autopsy results and that's the catalyst.

The doctor would have to be an idiot for there to still be anything incriminating, imo, you know?

[Nawny]

Thanks Bob and Nawny-I started back on my Glucosomine i take in winter for a bit of ritis in my finger joints. Almost feels the same pain a tad in my upper back so maybe thats what it is. It has been so damp here with all the rains. it really worked for me in the winter months. Thats why i am wondering if it is the ritis since it seems to ease right off as i get moving. I'll try a rolled up T tonight Bob. Thanks guys-your all just the best :beer:

I never knew how brutal arthritis can be until it hit home. The neck is a very, very uncomfortable place to get hit with it. My knees, and hip feel like hell in the cold wet months. Ooof! But the Fish Oil does help so much. I thought it was pretend medicine. ;) NOT!

I went for my semi annual check up yesterday and within minutes of reading the blood work result she whacked me with 2 appointments to see specialists. I have to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours starting Thursday, then have to go for an echo cardiogram, then a pelvic scan. They are going to try to kill me. Seems I have a Mitral Valve leak (which I've had for a few years without issue) and Tricuspid valve leak. One good thing though, my cholesterol is much better and the oxygen levels in my blood are better. When she walked into the exam room, she said (before I told her) You QUIT smoking didn't you? Hmmm, it showed. Now that my body is furious for taking the nicotine away, it broke. :shrug:

I'll be fine. Nothing kills Nawny! :seeya: Old age is a b!tch!

[BeastofBears]

I never knew how brutal arthritis can be until it hit home. The neck is a very, very uncomfortable place to get hit with it. My knees, and hip feel like hell in the cold wet months. Ooof! But the Fish Oil does help so much. I thought it was pretend medicine. ;) NOT!

I went for my semi annual check up yesterday and within minutes of reading the blood work result she whacked me with 2 appointments to see specialists. I have to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours starting Thursday, then have to go for an echo cardiogram, then a pelvic scan. They are going to try to kill me. Seems I have a Mitral Valve leak (which I've had for a few years without issue) and Tricuspid valve leak. One good thing though, my cholesterol is much better and the oxygen levels in my blood are better. When she walked into the exam room, she said (before I told her) You QUIT smoking didn't you? Hmmm, it showed. Now that my body is furious for taking the nicotine away, it broke. :shrug:

I'll be fine. Nothing kills Nawny! :seeya: Old age is a b!tch!

Don't panic. My mom has both and neither affect her. The doc keeps trying to schedule her for valve surgery, but she says no until she gets symptoms...any symptoms...

Every time they have tried to "fix" something that wasn't bothering her, she ended up with a real problem:shrug: My personal favorite was when they put her on a blood pressure med for the valve thing (her bp is fine) and she swelled like a balloon and couldn't breathe. So they put her on a diuretic for that. That gave her some other hideous side effect and they tried to add another med. She said forget it and quit it all against medical advice. It all got better. The only problem is, it's murder getting her to go to the doc-she's afraid they'll kill her!

you gonna take up the smoking again? Maybe the higher blood pressure kept the valves tight, lol!

[beemer]

Keep us posted Nawny!!! Your in my thoughts:beer: My MIL said the same thing-never had sinus till she quit smoking :shrug: Kudos for stayin with it :beer:

[Nawny]

Don't panic. My mom has both and neither affect her. The doc keeps trying to schedule her for valve surgery, but she says no until she gets symptoms...any symptoms...

Every time they have tried to "fix" something that wasn't bothering her, she ended up with a real problem:shrug: My personal favorite was when they put her on a blood pressure med for the valve thing (her bp is fine) and she swelled like a balloon and couldn't breathe. So they put her on a diuretic for that. That gave her some other hideous side effect and they tried to add another med. She said forget it and quit it all against medical advice. It all got better. The only problem is, it's murder getting her to go to the doc-she's afraid they'll kill her!

you gonna take up the smoking again? Maybe the higher blood pressure kept the valves tight, lol!

LOL! I hear you baby! They are legal murderers. They should arrest the whole slew of them!

My body thinks smoking is who I am. ;)

[beemer]

I wonder if that's why there's a raid today-they got official autopsy results and that's the catalyst.

The doctor would have to be an idiot for there to still be anything incriminating, imo, you know?
Another raid today? good gawd. Unless the Doc himself is a druggy:shrug: I do hear what u are saying. What is up with that?

[Nawny]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/28/jolicoeur.ma.lottery.winner.wcvb

Obama vs reality

[Nawny]

Keep us posted Nawny!!! Your in my thoughts:beer: My MIL said the same thing-never had sinus till she quit smoking :shrug: Kudos for stayin with it :beer:

I cheat in the morning with my cawffee. I'm still good during the day and i don't take them with me when I leave the house. Enormous change for me.

I was ridiculous with the smoking for a long time. I would have smoked in my sleep if I could. I wasn't a normal smoker. The only time I didn't smoke was when the weebles were nearby. But I could go through a whole pack before noon. I needed to stop. According to O'Brien, the acu guy, when I smoke with my coffee, it's habit. Well NO CHIT SHERLOCK! ;)
LOL!

I'm good.

[beemer]

I cheat in the morning with my cawffee. I'm still good during the day and i don't take them with me when I leave the house. Enormous change for me.

I was ridiculous with the smoking for a long time. I would have smoked in my sleep if I could. I wasn't a normal smoker. The only time I didn't smoke was when the weebles were nearby. But I could go through a whole pack before noon. I needed to stop. According to O'Brien, the acu guy, when I smoke with my coffee, it's habit. Well NO CHIT SHERLOCK! ;)
LOL!

I'm good.
Good for you Nawny. The nicotine was prolly plugging up your leaks :shrug: Keep us posted tho on your health :rose: well i gotta go ta work-see ya all after midnight girdles:seeya: oh ya and deacon:seeya:

[Nawny]

I wonder if that's why there's a raid today-they got official autopsy results and that's the catalyst.

The doctor would have to be an idiot for there to still be anything incriminating, imo, you know?

That doctors only sin is greed. Michael jackson was checking out for years. He was miserable. So many like him take others with them. He was a very talented spoiled bratty faggy eccentric who wanted what he wanted when he wanted it. Just because he could. He's not a legend, he's a lesson.

My 2 cents. IMO.

[Nawny]

Good for you Nawny. The nicotine was prolly plugging up your leaks :shrug: Keep us posted tho on your health :rose: well i gotta go ta work-see ya all after midnight girdles:seeya: oh ya and deacon:seeya:

Thanks Beemer! Enjoy your night! :)

[Gatordog]

I never knew how brutal arthritis can be until it hit home. The neck is a very, very uncomfortable place to get hit with it. My knees, and hip feel like hell in the cold wet months. Ooof! But the Fish Oil does help so much. I thought it was pretend medicine. ;) NOT!

I went for my semi annual check up yesterday and within minutes of reading the blood work result she whacked me with 2 appointments to see specialists. I have to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours starting Thursday, then have to go for an echo cardiogram, then a pelvic scan. They are going to try to kill me. Seems I have a Mitral Valve leak (which I've had for a few years without issue) and Tricuspid valve leak. One good thing though, my cholesterol is much better and the oxygen levels in my blood are better. When she walked into the exam room, she said (before I told her) You QUIT smoking didn't you? Hmmm, it showed. Now that my body is furious for taking the nicotine away, it broke. :shrug:

I'll be fine. Nothing kills Nawny! :seeya: Old age is a b!tch!

Maybe the cholesterol is seeping out of the valve leaks? :tongue: No, seriously, take care of yourself. I need my dear best friend healthy and happy. My mom has the mitral valve leak. She does fine. So will you. Don't make Poppa worry.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I cheat in the morning with my cawffee. I'm still good during the day and i don't take them with me when I leave the house. Enormous change for me.

I was ridiculous with the smoking for a long time. I would have smoked in my sleep if I could. I wasn't a normal smoker. The only time I didn't smoke was when the weebles were nearby. But I could go through a whole pack before noon. I needed to stop. According to O'Brien, the acu guy, when I smoke with my coffee, it's habit. Well NO CHIT SHERLOCK! ;)
LOL!

I'm good.

Nawny you can do it! For thirty years I ate breakfast after I got to work because I enjoyed finally relaxing after rushing in the morning and then sitting and having coffee and breakfast. I hated eating at 7 a.m. Well, two months ago, I had to change and eat breakfast early because eating at 8:30 was too close to lunchtime and well, my bg would be too high to eat lunch. So, I changed and it was hard, really hard. But I did it and now I'm used to it and by 11:30 my bg is down and I can have lunch and not worry that I'm going to get hyperglycemic. We do what we have to do. The trick was the coffee. I don't have my coffee until I get to work and I eat breakfast without it but with a glass of skim milk. I sort of trick myself. :punch:

gator

[Gatordog]

Don't panic. My mom has both and neither affect her. The doc keeps trying to schedule her for valve surgery, but she says no until she gets symptoms...any symptoms...

Every time they have tried to "fix" something that wasn't bothering her, she ended up with a real problem:shrug: My personal favorite was when they put her on a blood pressure med for the valve thing (her bp is fine) and she swelled like a balloon and couldn't breathe. So they put her on a diuretic for that. That gave her some other hideous side effect and they tried to add another med. She said forget it and quit it all against medical advice. It all got better. The only problem is, it's murder getting her to go to the doc-she's afraid they'll kill her!

you gonna take up the smoking again? Maybe the higher blood pressure kept the valves tight, lol!

My mother cannot take cholesterol medicine. She's allergic to a lot of meds, and cholesterol meds were very bad. Her cardiologist insisted she had to take it. So against my advice, she took it since it was a different pill. Needless to say, she almost died. She had water in her lungs and was so sick. The med was the strongest one on the market. I could have killed the doctor and I could have :punch: her too for not listening to me. Just because a doctor tells you to do something - it doesn't mean he's the Great Oz and you have to do it especially when it's against your better judgement. What the heck good is having low cholesterol when you die from the medication? I told her she could have high cholesterol and die in 10 years at 90 years old or she can take the medicine and die next week. :no:

Gator

[BeastofBears]

My mother cannot take cholesterol medicine. She's allergic to a lot of meds, and cholesterol meds were very bad. Her cardiologist insisted she had to take it. So against my advice, she took it since it was a different pill. Needless to say, she almost died. She had water in her lungs and was so sick. The med was the strongest one on the market. I could have killed the doctor and I could have :punch: her too for not listening to me. Just because a doctor tells you to do something - it doesn't mean he's the Great Oz and you have to do it especially when it's against your better judgement. What the heck good is having low cholesterol when you die from the medication? I told her she could have high cholesterol and die in 10 years at 90 years old or she can take the medicine and die next week. :no:

Gator

I truly believe cholesterol meds are overprescribed. The brain is made of cholesterol. What happens if you medicinally lower the cholesterol? They really don't know yet. Who wants low cholesterol + dementia? Not me.

my 2 cents.

[Wagsy]

I never knew how brutal arthritis can be until it hit home. The neck is a very, very uncomfortable place to get hit with it. My knees, and hip feel like hell in the cold wet months. Ooof! But the Fish Oil does help so much. I thought it was pretend medicine. ;) NOT!

I went for my semi annual check up yesterday and within minutes of reading the blood work result she whacked me with 2 appointments to see specialists. I have to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours starting Thursday, then have to go for an echo cardiogram, then a pelvic scan. They are going to try to kill me. Seems I have a Mitral Valve leak (which I've had for a few years without issue) and Tricuspid valve leak. One good thing though, my cholesterol is much better and the oxygen levels in my blood are better. When she walked into the exam room, she said (before I told her) You QUIT smoking didn't you? Hmmm, it showed. Now that my body is furious for taking the nicotine away, it broke. :shrug:

I'll be fine. Nothing kills Nawny! :seeya: Old age is a b!tch!

Nawn,

I had to wear the Holter monitor (24 hour thingy) too just a few months ago. Had to get an echo cardiogram also. Nothing's wrong. Okay, have you heard all the latest touted about how good bananas are for you? Why there are claims that it does so much good for you that it can practically fix your car too! NOT! I've got an e-mail on nanas recently, will pass it on here with a post if I can get it copied and pasted. I must say I do feel better but whether it's from eating a banana every day I don't know. Your mind believes what it wants to believe? :shrug: Supposedly bananas are good for withdrawal symptoms of smoking - may be less painful than acupuncture and/or cheaper? ;) So, this is interesting reading - what to expect as I age. Keep up the fine posts ladies. This is a learning experience for me. :)

[Wagsy]

Don't panic. My mom has both and neither affect her. The doc keeps trying to schedule her for valve surgery, but she says no until she gets symptoms...any symptoms...

Every time they have tried to "fix" something that wasn't bothering her, she ended up with a real problem:shrug: My personal favorite was when they put her on a blood pressure med for the valve thing (her bp is fine) and she swelled like a balloon and couldn't breathe. So they put her on a diuretic for that. That gave her some other hideous side effect and they tried to add another med. She said forget it and quit it all against medical advice. It all got better. The only problem is, it's murder getting her to go to the doc-she's afraid they'll kill her!

you gonna take up the smoking again? Maybe the higher blood pressure kept the valves tight, lol!

Hi Bob :seeya:

It is so true what you said in your post about docs trying to fix something and it causes more problems than what you went in for! :rolleyes: I don't blame her for being afraid of doctors...experience has shown her she needs to be wary. She must be very sensitive to medicines.

Not sure I'd second ya' in taking up smoking again. :tongue:

[Wagsy]

Nawny you can do it! For thirty years I ate breakfast after I got to work because I enjoyed finally relaxing after rushing in the morning and then sitting and having coffee and breakfast. I hated eating at 7 a.m. Well, two months ago, I had to change and eat breakfast early because eating at 8:30 was too close to lunchtime and well, my bg would be too high to eat lunch. So, I changed and it was hard, really hard. But I did it and now I'm used to it and by 11:30 my bg is down and I can have lunch and not worry that I'm going to get hyperglycemic. We do what we have to do. The trick was the coffee. I don't have my coffee until I get to work and I eat breakfast without it but with a glass of skim milk. I sort of trick myself. :punch:

gator

Kudos to you for making changes you had to. DH has also had to make extreme dietary changes because of being diagnosed with Diabetes Type II and he is very disciplined with what he does or does not eat. He does say often, "I could just eat that whole thing, it looks so good." I don't always appreciate the freedoms I have in choices of foods. You go!!

[Wagsy]

I truly believe cholesterol meds are overprescribed. The brain is made of cholesterol. What happens if you medicinally lower the cholesterol? They really don't know yet. Who wants low cholesterol + dementia? Not me.

my 2 cents.

So THAT's my problem!!! :eek: :)

[Gatordog]

Nawn,

I had to wear the Holter monitor (24 hour thingy) too just a few months ago. Had to get an echo cardiogram also. Nothing's wrong. Okay, have you heard all the latest touted about how good bananas are for you? Why there are claims that it does so much good for you that it can practically fix your car too! NOT! I've got an e-mail on nanas recently, will pass it on here with a post if I can get it copied and pasted. I must say I do feel better but whether it's from eating a banana every day I don't know. Your mind believes what it wants to believe? :shrug: Supposedly bananas are good for withdrawal symptoms of smoking - may be less painful than acupuncture and/or cheaper? ;) So, this is interesting reading - what to expect as I age. Keep up the fine posts ladies. This is a learning experience for me. :)

Hey Nawny, maybe you can smoke the banana in the morning when you have your cawfee. http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/party/party0006.gif (http://www.thescubasite.com/Scuba-Diving-in-Indonesia/scuba-diving-in-indonesia)

Gator

[Gatordog]

My smiley site has been down all day so I had to search for a new one. I like this happy beast. http://www.picpiggy.com/smile/party/party0033.gif (http://www.picpiggy.com)

Gator

[deacon]

The KING of the jungle will win. I have no doubts. Leo, the benevolent leader.

Let us know deacon! :seeya:

Oh, I won alright. Several not so happy people there now. It is virgo though. Sept. 7. My birthday is a national holiday this year. :D It is nice to have that. At least every 7 or so years I get my birthday off.

[deacon]

Good for you Nawny. The nicotine was prolly plugging up your leaks :shrug: Keep us posted tho on your health :rose: well i gotta go ta work-see ya all after midnight girdles:seeya: oh ya and deacon:seeya:

Have a good one. Mine ended with a few upset people but none of them was me.:biggrin:

[deacon]

Nawn,

I had to wear the Holter monitor (24 hour thingy) too just a few months ago. Had to get an echo cardiogram also. Nothing's wrong. Okay, have you heard all the latest touted about how good bananas are for you? Why there are claims that it does so much good for you that it can practically fix your car too! NOT! I've got an e-mail on nanas recently, will pass it on here with a post if I can get it copied and pasted. I must say I do feel better but whether it's from eating a banana every day I don't know. Your mind believes what it wants to believe? :shrug: Supposedly bananas are good for withdrawal symptoms of smoking - may be less painful than acupuncture and/or cheaper? ;) So, this is interesting reading - what to expect as I age. Keep up the fine posts ladies. This is a learning experience for me. :)

My son had to wear one of those things when he was a sophmore in high school. He went for his physical for golf and his pulse rate was almost 105 beats per minute. He tried to tell the Dr. that the only time it happened was when he came there for his physical. He said believe me, I can feel it when it happens. When they took it off it showed he knew more than the Dr. did about how he felt. Just after they put it on, it peaked at about 95 bpm and 30 min. after we left the office it went back to normal. 30 minutes before we went back it jumped back up again. He was diagnosed with tachicardia. His is brought on by the "white coat syndrome." He now tells every dr this before they check him. We walked out and he turned to his mom and said, see, I told you it was a waste of time. I know when and why that happens.

[SaraSidle]

I did Bree. I woke up on the couch, around midnight. bad! Then I finally crawled upstairs and the room was so nice and cool. I was awake for a while then finally got to sleep around 3am. Slept till 6:30am. It seems to happen monthly for some reason. I have to go check to see if there's a full moon. I'll be happy when the master bed and bath are downstairs. Then I can shuffle off to bed instead of climb up the stairs. I'm getting lazy in my old age.
Poppa wants a laundry room here on the 1st floor.. Why? I don't want to look at it. LOL! I should be washing clothes now!

I always get online when I'm wide awake at night. You girls are wonderful. I love to read your stuff! :)


I am amazed that there is still buckets of stuff on M Jackson! What the eff?

my bedroom is on the first floor and I love it there. I have doing stairs for a load of laundry. Nawny it would be wonderful really to have them on the main floor. It really would be nice especially getting old and all. creeks and groans (not the wooden stairs) everytime we go up and down. I would be more jealous than ever. sara

[Wagsy]

My son had to wear one of those things when he was a sophmore in high school. He went for his physical for golf and his pulse rate was almost 105 beats per minute. He tried to tell the Dr. that the only time it happened was when he came there for his physical. He said believe me, I can feel it when it happens. When they took it off it showed he knew more than the Dr. did about how he felt. Just after they put it on, it peaked at about 95 bpm and 30 min. after we left the office it went back to normal. 30 minutes before we went back it jumped back up again. He was diagnosed with tachicardia. His is brought on by the "white coat syndrome." He now tells every dr this before they check him. We walked out and he turned to his mom and said, see, I told you it was a waste of time. I know when and why that happens.

I have heard of "white coat syndrome" before. Some people just get nervous or anxious when they have to go into a doctor/hospital environment. When my hubby was put overnight in the hospital and being tested to find out what had happened (they never did come to a conclusion), my eldest son cannot handle the hospital environment and didn't come see him even though his siblings did. We understood and never made a fuss about it. If he had forced himself to come, we might have had two patients!

[SaraSidle]

One of my sisters would tell me about Napoleon when I was young. She loved him. He was quite a guy, so short, so smart but the romance messed him up,, as it should.. lol! When I saw the latest movie about him a few years ago with Armando Assante as Napoleon, I said, Heck with Bonaparte, gimme Armando!
He's the best looking actor I know.. love him. Where did he go? Haven't seen him anywhere.
http://www.armand-assante.com/


Ooooo Mommmeeee! :punch: Sorry poppa.

oh yeah I could just kiss armand assante...........mmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Wagsy]

Awww...you guys don't know what you missed. I deleted all my e-mails and even the one about all the wonders a banana will do for you! Lucky for you!! :biggrin:

[Gatordog]

My son had to wear one of those things when he was a sophmore in high school. He went for his physical for golf and his pulse rate was almost 105 beats per minute. He tried to tell the Dr. that the only time it happened was when he came there for his physical. He said believe me, I can feel it when it happens. When they took it off it showed he knew more than the Dr. did about how he felt. Just after they put it on, it peaked at about 95 bpm and 30 min. after we left the office it went back to normal. 30 minutes before we went back it jumped back up again. He was diagnosed with tachicardia. His is brought on by the "white coat syndrome." He now tells every dr this before they check him. We walked out and he turned to his mom and said, see, I told you it was a waste of time. I know when and why that happens.

I hope he doesn't meet the girl of his dreams and she's - a doctor!

[SaraSidle]

Thanks Bob and Nawny-I started back on my Glucosomine i take in winter for a bit of ritis in my finger joints. Almost feels the same pain a tad in my upper back so maybe thats what it is. It has been so damp here with all the rains. it really worked for me in the winter months. Thats why i am wondering if it is the ritis since it seems to ease right off as i get moving. I'll try a rolled up T tonight Bob. Thanks guys-your all just the best :beer:

these all do sound like great ideas. I keep wanting to buy the glucosomine for a while now and I forget to get it. I have tried everything for the krick in my neck beemer and nothing worked but pain pills. since it only kinks about 3 times a year I do not find it a problem.......good luck with that. also remember you will get arthritis where you have injured your joints earlier in life. IMO sara

[Wagsy]

I hope he doesn't meet the girl of his dreams and she's - a doctor!

Another thought; he was a sophomore at the time & maybe it was a woman doctor...tachycardia...fast heartbeat...it all adds up to me!

[SaraSidle]

I never knew how brutal arthritis can be until it hit home. The neck is a very, very uncomfortable place to get hit with it. My knees, and hip feel like hell in the cold wet months. Ooof! But the Fish Oil does help so much. I thought it was pretend medicine. ;) NOT!

I went for my semi annual check up yesterday and within minutes of reading the blood work result she whacked me with 2 appointments to see specialists. I have to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours starting Thursday, then have to go for an echo cardiogram, then a pelvic scan. They are going to try to kill me. Seems I have a Mitral Valve leak (which I've had for a few years without issue) and Tricuspid valve leak. One good thing though, my cholesterol is much better and the oxygen levels in my blood are better. When she walked into the exam room, she said (before I told her) You QUIT smoking didn't you? Hmmm, it showed. Now that my body is furious for taking the nicotine away, it broke. :shrug:

I'll be fine. Nothing kills Nawny! :seeya: Old age is a b!tch!

you are one leaky woman. I have had all of those at different times in my life. I turned out okay. if you can call this okay. I will be praying for you Nawny. Every day. please keep us updated..........sara

[SaraSidle]

Hey Nawny, maybe you can smoke the banana in the morning when you have your cawfee. http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/party/party0006.gif (http://www.thescubasite.com/Scuba-Diving-in-Indonesia/scuba-diving-in-indonesia)

Gator

what a riot Gator!!!! too funny:D

[deacon]

I hope he doesn't meet the girl of his dreams and she's - a doctor!

That would be funny. However, maybe she wouldn't wear the white coat at home.:eek:

[deacon]

Another thought; he was a sophomore at the time & maybe it was a woman doctor...tachycardia...fast heartbeat...it all adds up to me!

Not the Dr, however the nurse was another subject.:biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

these all do sound like great ideas. I keep wanting to buy the glucosomine for a while now and I forget to get it. I have tried everything for the krick in my neck beemer and nothing worked but pain pills. since it only kinks about 3 times a year I do not find it a problem.......good luck with that. also remember you will get arthritis where you have injured your joints earlier in life. IMO sara

I have not tried acupuncture yet.............

[Wagsy]

I have not tried acupuncture yet.............

I'll keep pushing my theory on bananas :D Seriously, acupuncture is too many needles for me. I do use glucosamine/chronditin and fish oil both and with very good results for me. I do buy pharmaceutical grade of both and it is very expensive. We may be cutting areas like that if I don't get a job within the next month or so. But each one is different and their body responds differently to pills whether they are prescription or herbal. Sometimes one just has to try different things till you find what works for you. Hope you can find something soon :rose:

[BeastofBears]

That would be funny. However, maybe she wouldn't wear the white coat at home.:eek:

Or maybe, wink, wink, she WOULD!:eek: ooohlala.

[deacon]

Or maybe, wink, wink, she WOULD!:eek: ooohlala.

"hey doc, lets see how high you can make my pulse rate go.":eek:

[BeastofBears]

CA was deposed today. http://www.wftv.com/news/20205386/detail.html

[Amy]

I did Bree. I woke up on the couch, around midnight. bad! Then I finally crawled upstairs and the room was so nice and cool. I was awake for a while then finally got to sleep around 3am. Slept till 6:30am. It seems to happen monthly for some reason. I have to go check to see if there's a full moon. I'll be happy when the master bed and bath are downstairs. Then I can shuffle off to bed instead of climb up the stairs. I'm getting lazy in my old age.
Poppa wants a laundry room here on the 1st floor.. Why? I don't want to look at it. LOL! I should be washing clothes now!

I always get online when I'm wide awake at night. You girls are wonderful. I love to read your stuff! :)


I am amazed that there is still buckets of stuff on M Jackson! What the eff?

Be sure and let us know when your book is published. I'd buy it, for sure.

I went into Hastings today. I checked over the new releases, and was pleasantly surprised to see only ONE book about MJ. There were 2 book stands, and a table. Wonder if that's all that has made publishing yet, or if Hastings figured just one book on the subject would suffice!!! @ WallyWorld, when looking @ the music CD's --there was a crap load of his. Surely someone else had a new CD out recently?

[Nawny]

Maybe the cholesterol is seeping out of the valve leaks? :tongue: No, seriously, take care of yourself. I need my dear best friend healthy and happy. My mom has the mitral valve leak. She does fine. So will you. Don't make Poppa worry.

Gator

I'm not worried. Poppa worries about a hang nail. ;) Mitral valve leaks are usually not symptomatic of anything. I figure the dollars are leaking in the medical field and they want to bust my calyoons. I hate doctors with a passion. I'll play their game for a bit then tell them to go take a high dive.

When she told me again to go for a colonoscopy, I said, "You first!" No one goes near my buns. I dont' go get an anal probe voluntarily either! She said, They knock you out, you're not awake. So I told her they'd have to knock me out to get me there. I'm going to live for a long, long time my friend.

See? You made me quit smoking! Now look at the pickle I'm in! I'm going to harass a bunch of doctors! :seeya: I love you Gator! :) No worries at all! I think Mitral valve leaks are a mother disease. lol!

[Nawny]

Nawny you can do it! For thirty years I ate breakfast after I got to work because I enjoyed finally relaxing after rushing in the morning and then sitting and having coffee and breakfast. I hated eating at 7 a.m. Well, two months ago, I had to change and eat breakfast early because eating at 8:30 was too close to lunchtime and well, my bg would be too high to eat lunch. So, I changed and it was hard, really hard. But I did it and now I'm used to it and by 11:30 my bg is down and I can have lunch and not worry that I'm going to get hyperglycemic. We do what we have to do. The trick was the coffee. I don't have my coffee until I get to work and I eat breakfast without it but with a glass of skim milk. I sort of trick myself. :punch:

gator

I hear ya buddy! Habits are hard to break yeah! I love that icon at the end of your post. I laugh my head off every time you do that!!! LOL!!!
!

[Nawny]

Be sure and let us know when your book is published. I'd buy it, for sure.

I went into Hastings today. I checked over the new releases, and was pleasantly surprised to see only ONE book about MJ. There were 2 book stands, and a table. Wonder if that's all that has made publishing yet, or if Hastings figured just one book on the subject would suffice!!! @ WallyWorld, when looking @ the music CD's --there was a crap load of his. Surely someone else had a new CD out recently?

Thank you Amy. I don't know if it will ever be published. It's in review but I'm probably not qualified to write a book. I'm only as qualified as you all are to write about someone you love. :) You can have a read if you want. Just pm me.

It's been a while since I really looked at it, before last week. It's as true as Danny asked me to make it. Nothing changed. It got rejected once by a publishing agent in NYC. It is now in Chicago being looked at by another agency. I'm waiting for a response.

Yes the publishing industry is dry these days because of all the Internet books available. You can go to Amazon and get to read books for a penny a page. Also lots more people are self publishing these days. I may do that because I know in my heart Danny's story can save a life or two.. It will also help those in grief to come alive again. I wrote the book I wish I had when I needed it. Kubbler Ross didn't do it for me.

It will go where God wants. :shrug:

MJ will be the subject of many books, me thinks. :rolleyes:

[Nawny]

I'll keep pushing my theory on bananas :D Seriously, acupuncture is too many needles for me. I do use glucosamine/chronditin and fish oil both and with very good results for me. I do buy pharmaceutical grade of both and it is very expensive. We may be cutting areas like that if I don't get a job within the next month or so. But each one is different and their body responds differently to pills whether they are prescription or herbal. Sometimes one just has to try different things till you find what works for you. Hope you can find something soon :rose:

Hi Wags!! I used to be afraid of the needles in acu. When I finally gave in and went, I didn't feel them. They are like thread. No pinchie! :eek:

The herbs are very inexpensive at Swanson.com. I pay 2.95 a bottle for the St Johns Wort. I forget the price at the CVS. It's much higher! You're right about different reactions. Poppa made this cocktail when I started feeling old. He claimed he sees a major difference in his energy and his skin. He looks younger than his years. SO I take it .. ... and I get a stomach ache. I hated it!

It's Vitamin C, Co Q10, B Complex, and the usual Fish Oil, etc. It doesn't work for me at all! I'm sure it was the C that gave me the stomach issue. He said, the C is better than botox :eek: Fugedaboudit! Gimmi the botox! lol!

:no: Botox is poison says poppa! You want to look like Joan Rivers?

I can't look like her I'm Italian, she's Jewish. ;)

[Nawny]

I feel like having a drink. Anyone want to join me? No Baileys tonight. I think I'll have a Vanilla Vodka and Frangelico. :beer: Here's to the group of the most intelligent Hagnoggers around! You're all so valuable to my list of favorite people!
In about ten minutes I should be on the Caylee board ripping the A's apart.

I'm just wicked.

[Nawny]

Goodnight my children.

I shouldn't have had that drink. I just ate a peperoni sandwich. I didn't need that.


:beer:

[beemer]

these all do sound like great ideas. I keep wanting to buy the glucosomine for a while now and I forget to get it. I have tried everything for the krick in my neck beemer and nothing worked but pain pills. since it only kinks about 3 times a year I do not find it a problem.......good luck with that. also remember you will get arthritis where you have injured your joints earlier in life. IMO sara

Hey sara:seeya: it really worked for me-I think-my Doc suggested it as i take no meds and am allergic to most as you know. To take it as needed. So i stopped when the warm weather came. So the true test will be next fall into winter. I dont ever remember injuring my fingers but them digits sure get used alot over time LOL. never injured my neck or back either???? You are right about that tho. Busted my knee cap many many years ago but of course it only acts up briefly every few years:shrug: I'm always the exception to the norm :cuss:

[beemer]

I feel like having a drink. Anyone want to join me? No Baileys tonight. I think I'll have a Vanilla Vodka and Frangelico. :beer: Here's to the group of the most intelligent Hagnoggers around! You're all so valuable to my list of favorite people!
In about ten minutes I should be on the Caylee board ripping the A's apart.

I'm just wicked.
You go girlfriend!!! rip away:beer: You sure are a fave here Nawny. Sorry i missed cocktail hour. Sleep well tonight. I hope i do or DH may find a wire brush sewn in his skivvies:D (snoring)

[beemer]

Have a good one. Mine ended with a few upset people but none of them was me.:biggrin:

Cant think of a better way to end a work day:D Mine was good. Day shift got all the probs:shrug:

[beemer]

Nawny if ya smoke that banana-we want video:D:beer:

[beemer]

Wow so many scarey Doc stories. I am so lucky to have my Doc-since i was 2. He is up there with Dr. Gregory House for me. Same diagnostic skills tho. Always spot on and his care is amazing. When he retires-oh lordy i will be sad:(

[Nawny]

Nawn,

I had to wear the Halter monitor (24 hour thingy) too just a few months ago. Had to get an echo cardiogram also. Nothing wrong. Okay, have you heard all the latest touted about how good bananas are for you? Why there are claims that it does so much good for you that it can practically fix your car too! NOT! I've got an e-mail on nanas recently, will pass it on here with a post if I can get it copied and pasted. I must say I do feel better but whether it's from eating a banana every day I don't know. Your mind believes what it wants to believe? :shrug: Supposedly bananas are good for withdrawal symptoms of smoking - may be less painful than acupuncture and/or cheaper? ;) So, this is interesting reading - what to expect as I age. Keep up the fine posts ladies. This is a learning experience for me. :)

Isn't this board great?!!!

My mind believes doctors are nuts. As she was interviewing me she asked how my sleep was. I said, sometimes good, sometimes not. She advises me to go for a sleep study. I laughed at her.

About 5 years ago I had surgery for a blocked carotid artery. That's the only reason I agreed to the halter monitor baloney. In a flash, I would cancel all of that nonsense, but poppa is a pest. And thanks for the banana news. I haven't had banana's in a long time.

Hey BoB! About the Lipitor... you solved my short term memory problem! :tongue:

All of the time, we know what to do because our bodies talk. If I want better sleep, I should stop drinking caffeine by the gallon. If I want better cholesterol readings, I should stop eating cheese and fried foods by the truck load and if I want to lose weight I should stop eating late at night, make some fruit smoothies, eat vegetables and exercise more.

But I want the magic pill!!! :cuss:

[Nawny]

Nawny if ya smoke that banana-we want video:D:beer:

Ewwwww!! The liar smokes bananas. Ca ca.. ;)

[Nawny]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html

AM I shocked? ROTFL! What say you, BoB?

[deacon]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html

AM I shocked? ROTFL! What say you, BoB?

Interesting. It is a Federal Crime so how are they going to override that?

"Love of money is the root of all evil."

[Gatordog]

I'm not worried. Poppa worries about a hang nail. ;) Mitral valve leaks are usually not symptomatic of anything. I figure the dollars are leaking in the medical field and they want to bust my calyoons. I hate doctors with a passion. I'll play their game for a bit then tell them to go take a high dive.

When she told me again to go for a colonoscopy, I said, "You first!" No one goes near my buns. I dont' go get an anal probe voluntarily either! She said, They knock you out, you're not awake. So I told her they'd have to knock me out to get me there. I'm going to live for a long, long time my friend.

See? You made me quit smoking! Now look at the pickle I'm in! I'm going to harass a bunch of doctors! :seeya: I love you Gator! :) No worries at all! I think Mitral valve leaks are a mother disease. lol!

Nawny, Nawny, Nawny, the trick is to get the right doctor to do it! I went to my doctor for a problem I was having and when I saw him, I almost fell off my shoes! I was left speechless which for me, isn't easy. Being a teen of the 70's, I was in love with Tony Orlando so guess who my doctor looked exactly like - Tony Orlando. When he says it's time for the test, I say, OKAY tell me when and where and I'll be there. I had a major problem and that doctor saw my butt every week for three months. If I passed him in the mall, he probably wouldn't recognize me from the front but from the back.....

The test is a piece of cake. I've had it done while I was awake. I remember most of it. It saved my life. At only 46, I had a precancerous flat lesion on the wall and it would not have been seen on a CT or MRI only through the colonoscopy. The worst part is the prep before the procedure but the procedure itself it fine.

:seeya: Hi Dr. M. it's me....http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hurricane Charley:

So Hurricane Charley was supposed to go down under Florida and out into the Atlantic. In the last minute, it turned and went up the west coast of Florida across into Central Florida. Luckily I had prepared my house as well as I could. The news said that at 9:14 the storm would be in Union Park which is just south of me. 9:14, boom, the electricity goes and the wind is ferocious. Every part of my house was creaking. The sliding glass doors were being forced into the house so I went and tried to hold them in place for about five seconds until it dawned on me what a stupid and dangerous thing that was to do. Luckily the land line phone still worked so I was on with my brother. He was trying to keep be calm because he was able to see on his tv where it was. He had a battery operated tv. He kept saying just 10 more minutes. I didn't think my house would stand for another ten minutes. Things were hitting it, and the roof was creaking. Finally, my brother said one more minute, and sure enough, it just stopped. I waited about three minutes before going outside and it looked as if a bomb landed on my street. Oak trees were down, street lights were down. A septic tank was in the street around the corner from me. Yup, a septic tank. I huge oak came down and the roots picked up the tank and it landed in the street. Shingles were everywhere. After that, we had Frances and Jeanne and Ivan. By Jeanne, I needed a new roof. I'll look for the pictures of my street after the hurricane. It was so frightening to hear those 100+ mile an hour winds hitting my glass door. Was without electricity for four days. All you could see were blue roofs on every street and all the trees were bare. I now have hurricane shutters on the door and windows. Best investment ever. Oh yea, the eye of the hurricane came through about two miles west of my house, which means that we got the brunt of it, the front east quadrant.

Gator

[BeastofBears]

Isn't this board great?!!!

My mind believes doctors are nuts. As she was interviewing me she asked how my sleep was. I said, sometimes good, sometimes not. She advises me to go for a sleep study. I laughed at her.

About 5 years ago I had surgery for a blocked carotid artery. That's the only reason I agreed to the halter monitor baloney. In a flash, I would cancel all of that nonsense, but poppa is a pest. And thanks for the banana news. I haven't had banana's in a long time.

Hey BoB! About the Lipitor... you solved my short term memory problem! :tongue:

All of the time, we know what to do because our bodies talk. If I want better sleep, I should stop drinking caffeine by the gallon. If I want better cholesterol readings, I should stop eating cheese and fried foods by the truck load and if I want to lose weight I should stop eating late at night, make some fruit smoothies, eat vegetables and exercise more.

But I want the magic pill!!! :cuss:

No coffee, no cheese, no fried foods, no hanging out late? But then...why go on, lol!

[BeastofBears]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html

AM I shocked? ROTFL! What say you, BoB?

Oh great. Vice taxes. Brilliant. $%$$%@@&@*#!!!!!!!!

As for legalizing marijuana, I think it will certainly cost the state more due to more car accidents and other things that will result in expenditures. If they legalize marijuana and ease access, people will go nuts with the end of prohibition at least in the short term. The only thing keeping some people using a limited amount is its illegality and having to go to the trouble to get to people who can sell or give it to them. $50 per ounce will double the price (I think. Is a baggie an ounce?) so people will just tax evade anyway. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BREAKING THE LAW FOR YEARS, PEOPLE! YOU THINK THEY WILL PAY A MASSIVE TAX?! stupid politicians.

And since this would be a violation of federal law, what effect would this have on federal money to the state? and federal enforcement would still go on. uggh. idiots. They should go back to trying to tax farmers for cow farts.

[BeastofBears]

Hurricane Charley:

So Hurricane Charley was supposed to go down under Florida and out into the Atlantic. In the last minute, it turned and went up the west coast of Florida across into Central Florida. Luckily I had prepared my house as well as I could. The news said that at 9:14 the storm would be in Union Park which is just south of me. 9:14, boom, the electricity goes and the wind is ferocious. Every part of my house was creaking. The sliding glass doors were being forced into the house so I went and tried to hold them in place for about five seconds until it dawned on me what a stupid and dangerous thing that was to do. Luckily the land line phone still worked so I was on with my brother. He was trying to keep be calm because he was able to see on his tv where it was. He had a battery operated tv. He kept saying just 10 more minutes. I didn't think my house would stand for another ten minutes. Things were hitting it, and the roof was creaking. Finally, my brother said one more minute, and sure enough, it just stopped. I waited about three minutes before going outside and it looked as if a bomb landed on my street. Oak trees were down, street lights were down. A septic tank was in the street around the corner from me. Yup, a septic tank. I huge oak came down and the roots picked up the tank and it landed in the street. Shingles were everywhere. After that, we had Frances and Jeanne and Ivan. By Jeanne, I needed a new roof. I'll look for the pictures of my street after the hurricane. It was so frightening to hear those 100+ mile an hour winds hitting my glass door. Was without electricity for four days. All you could see were blue roofs on every street and all the trees were bare. I now have hurricane shutters on the door and windows. Best investment ever. Oh yea, the eye of the hurricane came through about two miles west of my house, which means that we got the brunt of it, the front east quadrant.

Gator

eeek. eeek.

[beemer]

Ewwwww!! The liar smokes bananas. Ca ca.. ;)

LOL:eek: Nawny you get that colonoscopy done STAT. They save lives. Listen to Gator. I know many it has saved and one it was too late. Colostomy bags are not fun either. So get your patooty checked :rose:

[beemer]

Oh great. Vice taxes. Brilliant. $%$$%@@&@*#!!!!!!!!

As for legalizing marijuana, I think it will certainly cost the state more due to more car accidents and other things that will result in expenditures. If they legalize marijuana and ease access, people will go nuts with the end of prohibition at least in the short term. The only thing keeping some people using a limited amount is its illegality and having to go to the trouble to get to people who can sell or give it to them. $50 per ounce will double the price (I think. Is a baggie an ounce?) so people will just tax evade anyway. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BREAKING THE LAW FOR YEARS, PEOPLE! YOU THINK THEY WILL PAY A MASSIVE TAX?! stupid politicians.

And since this would be a violation of federal law, what effect would this have on federal money to the state? and federal enforcement would still go on. uggh. idiots. They should go back to trying to tax farmers for cow farts.
LOL well the methane those cows produce;) Ya i am not so sure legalizing pot is the way to go. I have a friend who uses it periodically for her MS. I say leave it alone. Those who use it can get it medically in your state and the few i do know here that use it seem to get by just fine without getting busted. Well as u know Bob we have sin tax. High tax on alcohol and tobacco among other things:shrug:

[beemer]

Nawny, Nawny, Nawny, the trick is to get the right doctor to do it! I went to my doctor for a problem I was having and when I saw him, I almost fell off my shoes! I was left speechless which for me, isn't easy. Being a teen of the 70's, I was in love with Tony Orlando so guess who my doctor looked exactly like - Tony Orlando. When he says it's time for the test, I say, OKAY tell me when and where and I'll be there. I had a major problem and that doctor saw my butt every week for three months. If I passed him in the mall, he probably wouldn't recognize me from the front but from the back.....

The test is a piece of cake. I've had it done while I was awake. I remember most of it. It saved my life. At only 46, I had a precancerous flat lesion on the wall and it would not have been seen on a CT or MRI only through the colonoscopy. The worst part is the prep before the procedure but the procedure itself it fine.

:seeya: Hi Dr. M. it's me....http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

Good for you Gator-I'm glad everything worked out. Luv the bum guy-too cute. As for the hurricanes-Oh Lordy how terrifying:eek:

[BeastofBears]

This is what politicians glory in doing: http://i30.tinypic.com/28btvk3.png

Yep, it says "Congress Created Dustbowl". This was covered with growing FOOD last time I drove this. All the way down I-5, Central Valley, the best farmland in the country, farms have had their water allotment cut off. Orchards dry and dead. Do you know how long it takes to grow fruit-bearing trees? They are killing your food. And it's to protect a fish.

Remember this when you buy your food and the bill goes up. And hopefully when it comes time to renew the contract of the Congresscritters.

[Amy]

Isn't this board great?!!!

My mind believes doctors are nuts. As she was interviewing me she asked how my sleep was. I said, sometimes good, sometimes not. She advises me to go for a sleep study. I laughed at her.

About 5 years ago I had surgery for a blocked carotid artery. That's the only reason I agreed to the halter monitor baloney. In a flash, I would cancel all of that nonsense, but poppa is a pest. And thanks for the banana news. I haven't had banana's in a long time.

Hey BoB! About the Lipitor... you solved my short term memory problem! :tongue:

All of the time, we know what to do because our bodies talk. If I want better sleep, I should stop drinking caffeine by the gallon. If I want better cholesterol readings, I should stop eating cheese and fried foods by the truck load and if I want to lose weight I should stop eating late at night, make some fruit smoothies, eat vegetables and exercise more.

But I want the magic pill!!! :cuss:

Bolding mine.

That's what I tell DD. "I can't sleep @ night." Well, if you would not sleep half the day away, you could go to sleep @ night. Before her breast reduction, sure, it was hard to find a comfortable position, and any sleep apnea really was because those boobies would interfere w/her breathing especially if she was sleeping on her back. It doesn't take a rocket scientist nor a sleep study to figure all that out.

She thinks there should be some kind of cure for every little ache and pain. I think she inherited that from a nephew who used to live w/us. "I have a pain here on my side." "How long have you had this pain?" "Well, about 2 hours." "Have you had this pain before?" "No." "Well, just keep track of how often you have a pain in that place, how long it lasts, and if there is trouble, you go to a doctor." Amazingly enough, that particular pain never seemed to recur, just another pain in another place. You don't go hauling off to the doc everytime you have a little pain!!! :cuss:

My nephew was found to have high blood pressure. I asked about the pills he took. He said, they do no good. Seems he took the first pill, and a couple of hours later took his blood pressure reading @ the little stand in a store. His blood pressure was still high!!! Uhhmmm.....It's not a magic pill. It might take a week or two to build up enough to start bringing it down. Nope, that first pill didn't work, he saw no need to continue!!!!!:chicken:

I think DD thinks that, you go to a doctor, you will be given that magic pill, and all will be well. Can't get her to understand that SHE has to be involved in the process. The doctor (or nurse practitioner) talks about eating practices, getting exercise, disciplining herself to go to bed @ a particular time to straighten out the sleep problems. "I can't help it if I'm a picky eater." "It's too hot/too cold/too windy, I'm too tired to exercise." "I tried to go to bed early last night, but I wasn't sleepy, that doesn't work." No, you have to do it over and over until you train your body and mind. Geesh!!!

And, when she DOES get pills? "I don't like the way it makes me feel. I hate having to take these pills every day." Well, you either take them, or find a way to get around what ails you in another way. GRRRRR!!!!

[beemer]

This is what politicians glory in doing: http://i30.tinypic.com/28btvk3.png

Yep, it says "Congress Created Dustbowl". This was covered with growing FOOD last time I drove this. All the way down I-5, Central Valley, the best farmland in the country, farms have had their water allotment cut off. Orchards dry and dead. Do you know how long it takes to grow fruit-bearing trees? They are killing your food. And it's to protect a fish.

Remember this when you buy your food and the bill goes up. And hopefully when it comes time to renew the contract of the Congresscritters.
That is just horrifying Bob:eek: Kudos to whomever put up the sign:beer: To protect fish or A fish???

[beemer]

I hear ya Amy-sounds like DD is stuck in that too much time on my hands syndrome. My sleep is crappy and the quality never came back once menopause passed. Passed meaning coming out the other side. It never really passes for most. My Doc gives me 10 Ativan for the year for times when i am beyond sleep dep. I have a sister in law who Doc shops-alot. You can always find a surgeon who will cut-eventually. The meds she and my brother in law are on-Oh lordy. He ended up in a methadone clinic after back surgery and getting hooked on Morphine. Lord knows what else he takes and usually swills it down with a shot of rye:eek::shrug:

[BeastofBears]

That is just horrifying Bob:eek: Kudos to whomever put up the sign:beer: To protect fish or A fish???

The Delta smelt. A 2" sardine.http://i32.tinypic.com/15ea714.png It was placed on the endangered species list, so here we are.

These signs are up for a 300 mile stretch of farms. It is horrifying. There were clouds of dust blowing off of it, farmers had tractors out pulling down their dead trees, and again, no food growing where there was no water. But the aquaduct was flowing full of water to LA. Plenty of pools to fill.

[Amy]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html

AM I shocked? ROTFL! What say you, BoB?

I think the politicians need to think things thru more carefully. In the article, it talks about states taxing (or putting more tax) on things--just as there has been talk about higher taxes on potato chips, fast food, etc etc etc. Do they not realize that to some extent the purchase of such products will go down as people aren't going to pay the extra tax. And then, cuz the demand is lower, the price is going to go higher-and MORE people will quit purchasing that product as it just costs too much. And the bottom line? They aren't going to receive all the extra taxes they are expecting. It just isn't going to happen.

IMO, instead of looking @ more products and services to tax, perhaps they should just hunker down and do some serious revamping of state spending. And I'm not talking about taking food out of the mouths of babies type of thing. I'm talking about duplicate services. And how many people being paid by our tax dollars does it take to change a light bulb? Get more serious about handing out welfare monies. There are many people who could and should be working to support themselves and their families who just don't. And this has been going on for years and is not unique to this time of downsizing and job loss and unemployment.

And, for the federal government, they need to keep the pork out of each bill that gets passed. It passes on it's own merit, not because some state or region is going to get big $$ for that senator or representative to sign on the bill. Enough about paying for the research of the one-eyed mollusk in wherever that was. The stimulus packages are all about paying millions to special interests, and not just to bail out the banks or the auto industry.

Reminds me of a special tax voted in here to pay for a specific building and parking area. When that was paid for, the city and county commissioners spent their time trying to figure out who or what should benefit from the tax that was being taken. HELLO!!!!! The building is paid for, the time alloted for the taxation is over, so take the damn tax off instead of looking for ways to keep spending it!!!! :flamemad:

[beemer]

The Delta smelt. A 2" sardine.http://i32.tinypic.com/15ea714.png It was placed on the endangered species list, so here we are.

These signs are up for a 300 mile stretch of farms. It is horrifying. There were clouds of dust blowing off of it, farmers had tractors out pulling down their dead trees, and again, no food growing where there was no water. But the aquaduct was flowing full of water to LA. Plenty of pools to fill.

Horrifying and sad:eek::cuss:

[beemer]

This is funny:beer:
http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Article/MSN-1946-Interviewing-You-Said-What/?SiteId=cbmsnhp41946&sc_extcmp=JS_1946_home&GT1=23000

[Amy]

Hurricane Charley:

So Hurricane Charley was supposed to go down under Florida and out into the Atlantic. In the last minute, it turned and went up the west coast of Florida across into Central Florida. Luckily I had prepared my house as well as I could. The news said that at 9:14 the storm would be in Union Park which is just south of me. 9:14, boom, the electricity goes and the wind is ferocious. Every part of my house was creaking. The sliding glass doors were being forced into the house so I went and tried to hold them in place for about five seconds until it dawned on me what a stupid and dangerous thing that was to do. Luckily the land line phone still worked so I was on with my brother. He was trying to keep be calm because he was able to see on his tv where it was. He had a battery operated tv. He kept saying just 10 more minutes. I didn't think my house would stand for another ten minutes. Things were hitting it, and the roof was creaking. Finally, my brother said one more minute, and sure enough, it just stopped. I waited about three minutes before going outside and it looked as if a bomb landed on my street. Oak trees were down, street lights were down. A septic tank was in the street around the corner from me. Yup, a septic tank. I huge oak came down and the roots picked up the tank and it landed in the street. Shingles were everywhere. After that, we had Frances and Jeanne and Ivan. By Jeanne, I needed a new roof. I'll look for the pictures of my street after the hurricane. It was so frightening to hear those 100+ mile an hour winds hitting my glass door. Was without electricity for four days. All you could see were blue roofs on every street and all the trees were bare. I now have hurricane shutters on the door and windows. Best investment ever. Oh yea, the eye of the hurricane came through about two miles west of my house, which means that we got the brunt of it, the front east quadrant.

Gator

That would be scary, for sure!!!

I have gone to the basement on occasions, but have never been in an actual tornado. Now, straight winds, as they call them, I've been in those. I was going to go to the car (DD had a new dolly, it was in the car, she wanted it to be safe.) As I stepped out on the porch, something came flying right over the sidewalk. I told DD, if the car was still there in the morning, we would rescue her doll, but no way was I going out there!!! I head into the kitchen and there is this large piece of PVC pipe lying on the floor. DS says, it just came down. Then next am, I was in the front yard, and something looked odd. I walked to the back, and the "straight wind" had taken the roof of the deck and laid it right down on the roof of the house!!! The PVC pipe was the vent thing that used to poke up--the force of the deck roof pushed it right down into the house!!!!:eek:

Usually there is just a lot of roof damage and fences knocked over. Trampolines fly. I have seen them fly right over the tops of houses. One year there was a trampoline from a couple of blocks to the north and one from a block south co-mingled in the neighbor's alley. Straight wind, my eye!!!! There was a LOT of water in that storm!!! The streets actually flooded, and the water was about halfway into my lawn. It took about 15 minutes after the storm for most of the water to be just in the low places, like along the curb.

After one storm, there was a tramp in my back yard. No one ever seemed to be hunting for a lost tramp (the parents were probably just as glad it was gone, lol) so the kids set it up in our back yard. All the pieces were there. A couple of years later, it was draped over Sheriff Bob's fence. He helped me dismantle it, and the kids' dad was supposed to haul it off. Before he got to it, the kids put it back up--and Sheriff Bob was REALLY po'd. They anchored it down pretty good. I can't remember what happened that they finally took it down and put it in the dumpster. Probably another storm.

[Nawny]

Nawny, Nawny, Nawny, the trick is to get the right doctor to do it! I went to my doctor for a problem I was having and when I saw him, I almost fell off my shoes! I was left speechless which for me, isn't easy. Being a teen of the 70's, I was in love with Tony Orlando so guess who my doctor looked exactly like - Tony Orlando. When he says it's time for the test, I say, OKAY tell me when and where and I'll be there. I had a major problem and that doctor saw my butt every week for three months. If I passed him in the mall, he probably wouldn't recognize me from the front but from the back.....

The test is a piece of cake. I've had it done while I was awake. I remember most of it. It saved my life. At only 46, I had a precancerous flat lesion on the wall and it would not have been seen on a CT or MRI only through the colonoscopy. The worst part is the prep before the procedure but the procedure itself it fine.

:seeya: Hi Dr. M. it's me....http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

I'm roaring laughing over here!!! I saw your smiley just as I was biting into a frikin sandwich!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!


Oh alright, I'll go... You were AWAKE?????? :eek: OMG!!!!

Hey guess what! We got a call on the Citrus County thing! Yay!

[BeastofBears]

Wow so many scarey Doc stories. I am so lucky to have my Doc-since i was 2. He is up there with Dr. Gregory House for me. Same diagnostic skills tho. Always spot on and his care is amazing. When he retires-oh lordy i will be sad:(

And they're after our kids tonsils for profit, too Beemer, did you catch that speech!? lol!

[Amy]

This is funny:beer:
http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Article/MSN-1946-Interviewing-You-Said-What/?SiteId=cbmsnhp41946&sc_extcmp=JS_1946_home&GT1=23000

I love this kind of article!!! And the ones about what people put on insurance claims. And, incident reports, those are always funny!!!!

[Nawny]

you are one leaky woman. I have had all of those at different times in my life. I turned out okay. if you can call this okay. I will be praying for you Nawny. Every day. please keep us updated..........sara

No worries sweet Sara. It's just another adventure. :)

[BeastofBears]

I think the politicians need to think things thru more carefully. In the article, it talks about states taxing (or putting more tax) on things--just as there has been talk about higher taxes on potato chips, fast food, etc etc etc. Do they not realize that to some extent the purchase of such products will go down as people aren't going to pay the extra tax. And then, cuz the demand is lower, the price is going to go higher-and MORE people will quit purchasing that product as it just costs too much. And the bottom line? They aren't going to receive all the extra taxes they are expecting. It just isn't going to happen.

IMO, instead of looking @ more products and services to tax, perhaps they should just hunker down and do some serious revamping of state spending. And I'm not talking about taking food out of the mouths of babies type of thing. I'm talking about duplicate services. And how many people being paid by our tax dollars does it take to change a light bulb? Get more serious about handing out welfare monies. There are many people who could and should be working to support themselves and their families who just don't. And this has been going on for years and is not unique to this time of downsizing and job loss and unemployment.

And, for the federal government, they need to keep the pork out of each bill that gets passed. It passes on it's own merit, not because some state or region is going to get big $$ for that senator or representative to sign on the bill. Enough about paying for the research of the one-eyed mollusk in wherever that was. The stimulus packages are all about paying millions to special interests, and not just to bail out the banks or the auto industry.

Reminds me of a special tax voted in here to pay for a specific building and parking area. When that was paid for, the city and county commissioners spent their time trying to figure out who or what should benefit from the tax that was being taken. HELLO!!!!! The building is paid for, the time alloted for the taxation is over, so take the damn tax off instead of looking for ways to keep spending it!!!! :flamemad:

The bridge toll on the Golden Gate Bridge was supposed to be temporary, to pay for the construction. The bridge was completed in 1937. Now the toll is $6 and it keeps going up. Why? Once the bridge construction as paid off, they created the Golden Gate Transit system, buses and ferries, which fail to pay for themselves, so the bridge is used as a cash cow.

Politicos will NEVER stop taking money once they get it, even if they have to invent a need for it.

imo.

[beemer]

And they're after our kids tonsils for profit, too Beemer, did you catch that speech!? lol!
Lordy-missed that one Bob :eek: Up here the school of thought is keep the tonsils. Very few are taken out these days:shrug:

[Nawny]

Oh great. Vice taxes. Brilliant. $%$$%@@&@*#!!!!!!!!

As for legalizing marijuana, I think it will certainly cost the state more due to more car accidents and other things that will result in expenditures. If they legalize marijuana and ease access, people will go nuts with the end of prohibition at least in the short term. The only thing keeping some people using a limited amount is its illegality and having to go to the trouble to get to people who can sell or give it to them. $50 per ounce will double the price (I think. Is a baggie an ounce?) so people will just tax evade anyway. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BREAKING THE LAW FOR YEARS, PEOPLE! YOU THINK THEY WILL PAY A MASSIVE TAX?! stupid politicians.
And since this would be a violation of federal law, what effect would this have on federal money to the state? and federal enforcement would still go on. uggh. idiots. They should go back to trying to tax farmers for cow farts.


I'm going to pee my pants laughing! I knew you'd do this! ^

LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!!!

[beemer]

I love this kind of article!!! And the ones about what people put on insurance claims. And, incident reports, those are always funny!!!!

Me too Amy-what kills me is these folks just are not clued in at how tough it is to find a job ;)

[BeastofBears]

I love this kind of article!!! And the ones about what people put on insurance claims. And, incident reports, those are always funny!!!!

My favorite was interviewing a guy for a tour guide position and he asked me how long it would be before he could be the curator. I was the curator. :rolleyes:

[BeastofBears]

Lordy-missed that one Bob :eek: Up here the school of thought is keep the tonsils. Very few are taken out these days:shrug:

It was Obama. One of his arguments for government health care is to stop doctors from predatory profitable tonsilectomies. No one down here gets their tonsils out either. I don't know what planet he's on sometimes. Everybody was all, "huh"? And...how could a pediatrician profit from referring a kid for a tonsillectomy, anyway? They aren't surgeons :shrug: weird scenario.

[BeastofBears]

Okay, I admit it. It looks like politicians are my pet peeve of the day!

[Nawny]

Hurricane Charley:

So Hurricane Charley was supposed to go down under Florida and out into the Atlantic. In the last minute, it turned and went up the west coast of Florida across into Central Florida. Luckily I had prepared my house as well as I could. The news said that at 9:14 the storm would be in Union Park which is just south of me. 9:14, boom, the electricity goes and the wind is ferocious. Every part of my house was creaking. The sliding glass doors were being forced into the house so I went and tried to hold them in place for about five seconds until it dawned on me what a stupid and dangerous thing that was to do. Luckily the land line phone still worked so I was on with my brother. He was trying to keep be calm because he was able to see on his tv where it was. He had a battery operated tv. He kept saying just 10 more minutes. I didn't think my house would stand for another ten minutes. Things were hitting it, and the roof was creaking. Finally, my brother said one more minute, and sure enough, it just stopped. I waited about three minutes before going outside and it looked as if a bomb landed on my street. Oak trees were down, street lights were down. A septic tank was in the street around the corner from me. Yup, a septic tank. I huge oak came down and the roots picked up the tank and it landed in the street. Shingles were everywhere. After that, we had Frances and Jeanne and Ivan. By Jeanne, I needed a new roof. I'll look for the pictures of my street after the hurricane. It was so frightening to hear those 100+ mile an hour winds hitting my glass door. Was without electricity for four days. All you could see were blue roofs on every street and all the trees were bare. I now have hurricane shutters on the door and windows. Best investment ever. Oh yea, the eye of the hurricane came through about two miles west of my house, which means that we got the brunt of it, the front east quadrant.

Gator

Ooooo that sounds very scary! Jaysus! I haven't ever seen such a hurricane.
This old house survived all of them for 200 years, watch it fall down now that I'm here. Poppa had all the threatening looking trees cut down but there are still more IMO that should go. They're taller than the house.

I don't recall Charlie. THere were a few I do remember but Inverness where my sisters and brother live, never seems to get hit that hard.

Poppa got a call at his office during a hurricane. It was bad on the shoreline, not so much in the inner city where his office is. A guy was screaming at him to throw some flood insurance on his house immediately because he lived on Scarborough shore in Southern RI. Poppa said, that's impossible because the time is documented on the application and he had to come in person anyway. He told the guy to open the front door and the back door and get the hell out of the house.

[beemer]

Amy i am sure you could write a book on bizzare A&I or Incident reports. I know i have seen a few the make me ROFLMAO. Agency vehicles driven thru parking garages exceeding the height requirement was classic. I can see it happening once but twice to the same person,same (repaired) van in the same garage:eek: I had a situation once where i was thankful i did not have to fill out an A&I. Prolly shoulda but knew if anything my hand was just bruised and i just did not wanna go there. I had a client and i had to retrieve a urine sample. Long story short the only way i was gonna get it was if i retrieved it myself due to mental capacity. So i gloved up and went in to do the job. This person decided to do a really hard pelvic thrust ramming my hand sideways and wedged it between the toilet seat and her whoo hoo area. I could not get my hand out fast enough. Now would that not made for one heck of a report:eek:

[beemer]

My favorite was interviewing a guy for a tour guide position and he asked me how long it would be before he could be the curator. I was the curator. :rolleyes:
Did he become part of the museum??;) Thats funny:beer:

[beemer]

It was Obama. One of his arguments for government health care is to stop doctors from predatory profitable tonsilectomies. No one down here gets their tonsils out either. I don't know what planet he's on sometimes. Everybody was all, "huh"? And...how could a pediatrician profit from referring a kid for a tonsillectomy, anyway? They aren't surgeons :shrug: weird scenario.
Oh good gawd. Politicians are easy targets Bob so bash away. They make it that way with rhetoric:eek:

[Nawny]

Okay, I admit it. It looks like politicians are my pet peeve of the day!

Haaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BeastofBears]

Did he become part of the museum??;) Thats funny:beer:

Nope! Then he confirmed our decision by calling us incessantly and showing up in person to demand an "explanation". I'd actually call it "stalkery" behavior *shudder*

[beemer]

Nope! Then he confirmed our decision by calling us incessantly and showing up in person to demand an "explanation". I'd actually call it "stalkery" behavior *shudder*

Oh lordy-stalking stuff not so funny. Maybe ya shoulda turned him into an artifact:eek: Some scary folk out there:eek:

[Gatordog]

I'm roaring laughing over here!!! I saw your smiley just as I was biting into a frikin sandwich!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!


Oh alright, I'll go... You were AWAKE?????? :eek: OMG!!!!

Hey guess what! We got a call on the Citrus County thing! Yay!

They give you stuff to relax you and painkiller too. He just didn't want to put me out completely due to the difficulty they have in intubating me just in case of emergency. What I remember most is him going along and all of a sudden say "What's that?" in an anxious voice. Not what you want to hear when you are being roto-rootered if you know what I mean. He became real serious then and was barking orders to the nurses. Then he said "It's a real good thing you had this done now and not waited." Yikes. :eek: The next time it was done, there weren't any issues at all. But I sure felt like singing "Tie a Yellow Ribbon round the Old Oak Tree." :D

[JLette]

OMG i just read an article in the Murders in the News section about a woman who was 8 months pregnant who was found dead wrapped in bedding in a closet after not being heard from since thursday! that is not the worst part, her baby had been CUT OUT of her body!!! and now they are looking for the baby, saying he could have survived but would have needed IMMEDIATE medical care!!!

this is terrifying!! it is the third story this summer i have read about pregnant women being murdered and their babies stolen right from their bodies!!!!

i just cannot believe this is happening, what possesses people these days to do things this horrible :(:cuss:

[BeastofBears]

OMG i just read an article in the Murders in the News section about a woman who was 8 months pregnant who was found dead wrapped in bedding in a closet after not being heard from since thursday! that is not the worst part, her baby had been CUT OUT of her body!!! and now they are looking for the baby, saying he could have survived but would have needed IMMEDIATE medical care!!!

this is terrifying!! it is the third story this summer i have read about pregnant women being murdered and their babies stolen right from their bodies!!!!

i just cannot believe this is happening, what possesses people these days to do things this horrible :(:cuss:

Yeah, there was a rash of them my first pregnancy, too. Unbelievable freaks out there.

People shouldn't do the "the baby's here!" announcement in front of the house. A woman 4 years ago was killed and her newborn stolen from a drive-by baby wanter. Another one made a "friend" online who came by and killed her for the baby. You never know who is one those "expecting boards", you know? Though she was chatting on a dog board with the freaky killer and they made plans to meet at preggie lady's house.

And yeah, I'm paranoid

[beemer]

Yeah, there was a rash of them my first pregnancy, too. Unbelievable freaks out there.

People shouldn't do the "the baby's here!" announcement in front of the house. A woman 4 years ago was killed and her newborn stolen from a drive-by baby wanter. Another one made a "friend" online who came by and killed her for the baby. You never know who is one those "expecting boards", you know? Though she was chatting on a dog board with the freaky killer and they made plans to meet at preggie lady's house.

And yeah, I'm paranoid
It never hurts to be a bit paranoid these days. Horrible stories. The worst one i just read is the nutbar in Texas. Classic mental health who killed her infant son and i wont say what she continued on to do. And J dont read it it is too upsetting when your-well you know:rose:

[BeastofBears]

It never hurts to be a bit paranoid these days. Horrible stories. The worst one i just read is the nutbar in Texas. Classic mental health who killed her infant son and i wont say what she continued on to do. And J dont read it it is too upsetting when your-well you know:rose:

I read about that. I am amazed that her family said in a media report that she was diagnosed with post-partum psychosis and they left her alone with him!

[SaraSidle]

Isn't this board great?!!!

My mind believes doctors are nuts. As she was interviewing me she asked how my sleep was. I said, sometimes good, sometimes not. She advises me to go for a sleep study. I laughed at her.

About 5 years ago I had surgery for a blocked carotid artery. That's the only reason I agreed to the halter monitor baloney. In a flash, I would cancel all of that nonsense, but poppa is a pest. And thanks for the banana news. I haven't had banana's in a long time.

Hey BoB! About the Lipitor... you solved my short term memory problem! :tongue:

All of the time, we know what to do because our bodies talk. If I want better sleep, I should stop drinking caffeine by the gallon. If I want better cholesterol readings, I should stop eating cheese and fried foods by the truck load and if I want to lose weight I should stop eating late at night, make some fruit smoothies, eat vegetables and exercise more.

But I want the magic pill!!! :cuss:



LOL you should be wearing the white coat Nawny. sara

[SaraSidle]

Hurricane Charley:

So Hurricane Charley was supposed to go down under Florida and out into the Atlantic. In the last minute, it turned and went up the west coast of Florida across into Central Florida. Luckily I had prepared my house as well as I could. The news said that at 9:14 the storm would be in Union Park which is just south of me. 9:14, boom, the electricity goes and the wind is ferocious. Every part of my house was creaking. The sliding glass doors were being forced into the house so I went and tried to hold them in place for about five seconds until it dawned on me what a stupid and dangerous thing that was to do. Luckily the land line phone still worked so I was on with my brother. He was trying to keep be calm because he was able to see on his tv where it was. He had a battery operated tv. He kept saying just 10 more minutes. I didn't think my house would stand for another ten minutes. Things were hitting it, and the roof was creaking. Finally, my brother said one more minute, and sure enough, it just stopped. I waited about three minutes before going outside and it looked as if a bomb landed on my street. Oak trees were down, street lights were down. A septic tank was in the street around the corner from me. Yup, a septic tank. I huge oak came down and the roots picked up the tank and it landed in the street. Shingles were everywhere. After that, we had Frances and Jeanne and Ivan. By Jeanne, I needed a new roof. I'll look for the pictures of my street after the hurricane. It was so frightening to hear those 100+ mile an hour winds hitting my glass door. Was without electricity for four days. All you could see were blue roofs on every street and all the trees were bare. I now have hurricane shutters on the door and windows. Best investment ever. Oh yea, the eye of the hurricane came through about two miles west of my house, which means that we got the brunt of it, the front east quadrant.

Gator

was it like a very very strong thunderstorm? do you pay for hurricane insurance?? where in the house were you?

[shadydaisy]

It was Obama. One of his arguments for government health care is to stop doctors from predatory profitable tonsilectomies. No one down here gets their tonsils out either. I don't know what planet he's on sometimes. Everybody was all, "huh"? And...how could a pediatrician profit from referring a kid for a tonsillectomy, anyway? They aren't surgeons :shrug: weird scenario.

DD had her tonsils and adnoids removed when she was 4. Everytime she visits a new doctor they are always surprised when they look in her throat. She's 18 now and they don't see many kids getting their tonsils removed.

OMG i just read an article in the Murders in the News section about a woman who was 8 months pregnant who was found dead wrapped in bedding in a closet after not being heard from since thursday! that is not the worst part, her baby had been CUT OUT of her body!!! and now they are looking for the baby, saying he could have survived but would have needed IMMEDIATE medical care!!!

this is terrifying!! it is the third story this summer i have read about pregnant women being murdered and their babies stolen right from their bodies!!!!

i just cannot believe this is happening, what possesses people these days to do things this horrible :(:cuss:

I believe there has been an increase in this kind of crime due to the media coverage. I think it sometimes puts ideas in people's heads that they may not have come up with on their own. I mean, think about it, we have heard more cases like this than ever before.

[SaraSidle]

That would be scary, for sure!!!

I have gone to the basement on occasions, but have never been in an actual tornado. Now, straight winds, as they call them, I've been in those. I was going to go to the car (DD had a new dolly, it was in the car, she wanted it to be safe.) As I stepped out on the porch, something came flying right over the sidewalk. I told DD, if the car was still there in the morning, we would rescue her doll, but no way was I going out there!!! I head into the kitchen and there is this large piece of PVC pipe lying on the floor. DS says, it just came down. Then next am, I was in the front yard, and something looked odd. I walked to the back, and the "straight wind" had taken the roof of the deck and laid it right down on the roof of the house!!! The PVC pipe was the vent thing that used to poke up--the force of the deck roof pushed it right down into the house!!!!:eek:

Usually there is just a lot of roof damage and fences knocked over. Trampolines fly. I have seen them fly right over the tops of houses. One year there was a trampoline from a couple of blocks to the north and one from a block south co-mingled in the neighbor's alley. Straight wind, my eye!!!! There was a LOT of water in that storm!!! The streets actually flooded, and the water was about halfway into my lawn. It took about 15 minutes after the storm for most of the water to be just in the low places, like along the curb.

After one storm, there was a tramp in my back yard. No one ever seemed to be hunting for a lost tramp (the parents were probably just as glad it was gone, lol) so the kids set it up in our back yard. All the pieces were there. A couple of years later, it was draped over Sheriff Bob's fence. He helped me dismantle it, and the kids' dad was supposed to haul it off. Before he got to it, the kids put it back up--and Sheriff Bob was REALLY po'd. They anchored it down pretty good. I can't remember what happened that they finally took it down and put it in the dumpster. Probably another storm.

We had the same thing. They called it a straight wind I think cause they forgot to set off the tornado alarm. It just tores up the city. Most of the trees were torn up and had smashed cars and houses. I was in the living room and it was raining on me. see the wierd part about that is the rain had to turn 90 degrees to hit me. very strange. I did have to replace my roof.
nice story on the tramp. I can just picture it. straight wind :cuss:

[SaraSidle]

This is funny:beer:
http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Article/MSN-1946-Interviewing-You-Said-What/?SiteId=cbmsnhp41946&sc_extcmp=JS_1946_home&GT1=23000

too funny Bree I read that while looking for a job. how does the interviewer keep a straight face?

[SaraSidle]

My favorite was interviewing a guy for a tour guide position and he asked me how long it would be before he could be the curator. I was the curator. :rolleyes:

and ready to retire I am sure:rolleyes:

[JLette]

It never hurts to be a bit paranoid these days. Horrible stories. The worst one i just read is the nutbar in Texas. Classic mental health who killed her infant son and i wont say what she continued on to do. And J dont read it it is too upsetting when your-well you know:rose:

already read that one yesterday, absolutely horrendous!! i was horrified and very upset, mostly because it was preventable :(

i lurk on the expecting boards but i hardly ever post, unless i see a question that i can answer i usually just read and move on.

paranoia is no longer a bad thing IMO....way too many loonies out there

[JLette]

DD had her tonsils and adnoids removed when she was 4. Everytime she visits a new doctor they are always surprised when they look in her throat. She's 18 now and they don't see many kids getting their tonsils removed.



I believe there has been an increase in this kind of crime due to the media coverage. I think it sometimes puts ideas in people's heads that they may not have come up with on their own. I mean, think about it, we have heard more cases like this than ever before.

i agree, sometimes the media would do better to leave things alone, less copy cats that way

[SaraSidle]

Ooooo that sounds very scary! Jaysus! I haven't ever seen such a hurricane.
This old house survived all of them for 200 years, watch it fall down now that I'm here. Poppa had all the threatening looking trees cut down but there are still more IMO that should go. They're taller than the house.

I don't recall Charlie. THere were a few I do remember but Inverness where my sisters and brother live, never seems to get hit that hard.

Poppa got a call at his office during a hurricane. It was bad on the shoreline, not so much in the inner city where his office is. A guy was screaming at him to throw some flood insurance on his house immediately because he lived on Scarborough shore in Southern RI. Poppa said, that's impossible because the time is documented on the application and he had to come in person anyway. He told the guy to open the front door and the back door and get the hell out of the house.

I think Hugo was your worst. It started at the Carolinas. I know we got some of it in Baltimore where we were having a family reunion on my dad's side. not good It was a number 5 I believe.
sara

[SaraSidle]

Amy i am sure you could write a book on bizzare A&I or Incident reports. I know i have seen a few the make me ROFLMAO. Agency vehicles driven thru parking garages exceeding the height requirement was classic. I can see it happening once but twice to the same person,same (repaired) van in the same garage:eek: I had a situation once where i was thankful i did not have to fill out an A&I. Prolly shoulda but knew if anything my hand was just bruised and i just did not wanna go there. I had a client and i had to retrieve a urine sample. Long story short the only way i was gonna get it was if i retrieved it myself due to mental capacity. So i gloved up and went in to do the job. This person decided to do a really hard pelvic thrust ramming my hand sideways and wedged it between the toilet seat and her whoo hoo area. I could not get my hand out fast enough. Now would that not made for one heck of a report:eek:

LOL that makes me hurt...:eek:

[SaraSidle]

already read that one yesterday, absolutely horrendous!! i was horrified and very upset, mostly because it was preventable :(

i lurk on the expecting boards but i hardly ever post, unless i see a question that i can answer i usually just read and move on.

paranoia is no longer a bad thing IMO....way too many loonies out there

JLette you are so right. we used to leave our doors unlocked at night and when we were out. we no longer do that.... I live in a safe city but nowadays that means nothing.......IMO sara

[Amy]

Lordy-missed that one Bob :eek: Up here the school of thought is keep the tonsils. Very few are taken out these days:shrug:

Shows you how out of the loop Mr Obama is. He is the one saying that doctors probably think that since taking out tonsils is more profitable, that is probably what they are doing.

We have a fairly busy pediatric unit here, and 2 things that used to be done in abundance are rarely done these days. One is tonsil removal, the other is ear tubes.

[deacon]

I think Hugo was your worst. It started at the Carolinas. I know we got some of it in Baltimore where we were having a family reunion on my dad's side. not good It was a number 5 I believe.
sara

Hugo, I remember him well. Not fondly but well.

[Amy]

Amy i am sure you could write a book on bizzare A&I or Incident reports. I know i have seen a few the make me ROFLMAO. Agency vehicles driven thru parking garages exceeding the height requirement was classic. I can see it happening once but twice to the same person,same (repaired) van in the same garage:eek: I had a situation once where i was thankful i did not have to fill out an A&I. Prolly shoulda but knew if anything my hand was just bruised and i just did not wanna go there. I had a client and i had to retrieve a urine sample. Long story short the only way i was gonna get it was if i retrieved it myself due to mental capacity. So i gloved up and went in to do the job. This person decided to do a really hard pelvic thrust ramming my hand sideways and wedged it between the toilet seat and her whoo hoo area. I could not get my hand out fast enough. Now would that not made for one heck of a report:eek:

Now, THAT is funny, and would have been interesting to see the looks on the faces of those that had to read it!!!

Fortunately for me, I don't have to do that with the wee ones I care for. We do have to cath them sometimes, and that can be a challenge. We use a 5 FR tubing, about 26 cm long. The kidly the other day had had a circumcision about 2 days prior to his return. Now his little wing-wong wasn't bigger than a minute, so it was a tad bit difficult to hold it up straight!!

I will be most glad to let Mr Obama know that I didn't let the big bad pediatrician (oops, it's the little lady ped) refer him to a the ENT surgeon for a tonsilectomy!!! Would have been a bit unethical anyway, as his problem was his biliruben, not his throat. OTOH, I don't think I checked out his throat--maybe I should have, lol.

[Amy]

Nope! Then he confirmed our decision by calling us incessantly and showing up in person to demand an "explanation". I'd actually call it "stalkery" behavior *shudder*

The really sad part is, I don't suppose the fellow really has a clue as to why he did not get the job!!! He needs to be where Beemer works, I'm thinking.

[deacon]

The really sad part is, I don't suppose the fellow really has a clue as to why he did not get the job!!! He needs to be where Beemer works, I'm thinking.

You know you are in trouble when an applicant asks if there will be a drug test and when they will have to take it. (that really happened)

[beemer]

The really sad part is, I don't suppose the fellow really has a clue as to why he did not get the job!!! He needs to be where Beemer works, I'm thinking.

Sorry-presently we are at full capacity-however i would be happy to put him on the waiting list:biggrin::eek:

[SaraSidle]

Hugo, I remember him well. Not fondly but well.

oh goodness. a friend of mine in North Carolina had to move back to Michigan since all of his belongings and house were gone.

[deacon]

oh goodness. a friend of mine in North Carolina had to move back to Michigan since all of his belongings and house were gone.

The east eye wall (the strongest part) came through my home town. With my family in the house. We never had a calm when the eye was there. It didn't let up for 5 or 6 hours. Oh, that was a mess. We owned 6.5 acres and had 30 trees down just in the yard. The wooded area was a junk pile. We were without power for 2.5 weeks. Funny, the federal government didn't offer us anything. We had to dig out ourselves. All they did was paperwork on what happened. I don't want to get started on that.

[Nawny]

Shows you how out of the loop Mr Obama is. He is the one saying that doctors probably think that since taking out tonsils is more profitable, that is probably what they are doing.

We have a fairly busy pediatric unit here, and 2 things that used to be done in abundance are rarely done these days. One is tonsil removal, the other is ear tubes.

Yes Amy! They got 2 of my kids that way. The first was my younger son. He was 5 when they took his tonsils and gave him a myringotomy for good measure. Several years later, he had a cyst the size of a grape in his inner ear. My youngest daughter got the tonsillectomy and TWO tubes in her ear. She is now deaf in that ear after several surgeries for cholesteatomas. (sp) Big mess! Those tubes are so small they soon get plugged and do no good at all. They're intrusive and cause more problems than they solve. I hate those tubes!

There are too many unnecessary surgeries. Too, too many! It's not nice to frig around with mother nature. Damn them! The death rate per hour in hospitals, due to mistakes, is over the top these days.

A co worker of my daughter's died this week at age 54. She had a fever and felt ill. She went to the doctor, he gave her antibiotics, sent her home, called it a virus. She felt worse after two days, her husband took her to the hospital. They claimed she had a lung infection. 3 days later, she was gone. No one knows what the hell happened! She was beautiful active, no kids, great life. Such a nice person.. she took care of her MIL for 10 years. Recently she took her parents to live with her because they were unable to live alone. Now her husband is lost. Unbelievable!

RIP Peggy. :rose:

[deacon]

Yes Amy! They got 2 of my kids that way. The first was my younger son. He was 5 when they took his tonsils and gave him a myringotomy for good measure. Several years later, he had a cyst the size of a grape in his inner ear. My youngest daughter got the tonsillectomy and TWO tubes in her ear. She is now deaf in that ear after several surgeries for cholesteatomas. (sp) Big mess! Those tubes are so small they soon get plugged and do no good at all. They're intrusive and cause more problems than they solve. I hate those tubes!

There are too many unnecessary surgeries. Too, too many! It's not nice to frig around with mother nature. Damn them! The death rate per hour in hospitals, due to mistakes, is over the top these days.

A co worker of my daughter's died this week at age 54. She had a fever and felt ill. She went to the doctor, he gave her antibiotics, sent her home, called it a virus. She felt worse after two days, her husband took her to the hospital. They claimed she had a lung infection. 3 days later, she was gone. No one knows what the hell happened! She was beautiful active, no kids, great life. Such a nice person.. she took care of her MIL for 10 years. Recently she took her parents to live with her because they were unable to live alone. Now her husband is lost. Unbelievable!

RIP Peggy. :rose:

What gets me is that when I was young, being a doctor was about helping people get well. Now it seems it is more about making money than it is about helping people. This seems to have started when businesses started running hospitals instead of the doctors who once did.

"The love of money....." you know the rest.

With the health care bill, politicians are pushing it with half truths. The numbers they give as uninsured does not take into effect the people who have access to health care through work but CHOOSE not to pay for it. Well, why should I pay for something that they are not willing to pay for? That, by the way, accounts for almost half of the number of uninsured people that they count.:mad:

[Nawny]

I probably had a bad attitude about the medical menaces operating these days, the way they do. Maybe I should stop being so negative but I can't help it. Experiences with western medicine has done some trust damage to me.

Now I've managed to avoid hospitals and doctors for a while until one day my hand went numb and I had several TIA's after that. (Stubborn me refused to go get checked.) Yeah well eventually the carotid artery thing got fixed and I was roped into going for check ups. After a semi annual checkup this week, I get thrown head first into 4 appointments to check me for things that are more then likely not broken. It was fast, and furious before I realised it I was sucked in. Today, 2 days after the appointment for the Echo Cardiogram was made by my family doc, I get a nice letter telling me to bring my credit card with me to the appointment. When I kept reading I found they wanted to be sure of payment if my health coverage did not cover the entire cost of the test.
(It does)

WTF??? Suppose I didn't have a credit card? Business is business I guess.
I'm moving to Canada! I can't stand these people! I can't repair my attitude. I thank you guys for filling me in on the Cholesterol medication too! I now have a bone to pick with that.. ;) My poor doctor is going to change careers when I get done with her. :cuss::punch:

I have a huge urge for mac and cheese right now. I had veal and peas for dinner and a cup of pasta. If I can't smoke it, I eat it!:hat: Right BoB , why go on! :eek:

8:30 am I go get the halter thing. fongoul!

[Nawny]

What gets me is that when I was young, being a doctor was about helping people get well. Now it seems it is more about making money than it is about helping people. This seems to have started when businesses started running hospitals instead of the doctors who once did.

"The love of money....." you know the rest.

With the health care bill, politicians are pushing it with half truths. The numbers they give as uninsured does not take into effect the people who have access to health care through work but CHOOSE not to pay for it. Well, why should I pay for something that they are not willing to pay for? That, by the way, accounts for almost half of the number of uninsured people that they count.:mad:

ITA! Watch the new program on Showtime called, Nurse Jackie. That is not fiction! Incredible. Doctors are working long hours to pay their liability insurance and well they should; problem is, they are taking on more patients than they can help. The problems Obama (he's a Leo, by the way) is trying to fix are not fixable. I like the man. He's sensitive and he won't sell out, but I worry about him, really.

[deacon]

ITA! Watch the new program on Showtime called, Nurse Jackie. That is not fiction! Incredible. Doctors are working long hours to pay their liability insurance and well they should; problem is, they are taking on more patients than they can help. The problems Obama (he's a Leo, by the way) is trying to fix are not fixable. I like the man. He's sensitive and he won't sell out, but I worry about him, really.

Don't get me started on insurance. The next move for them is to deny or hike the cost of health insurance for people who do not fit their height/weight requirements. It is sort of having life insurance that is in effect unless you do something like die. I guess that will be next. Or life insuranve that will be in effect unless you have birthdays and get older. Then it will either be tripled or be out of canceled. Insurance is a rip off anymore.

The Dr.s brought the cost of liability insurance on themselves by trying to treat more patients than they can handle and makeing mistakes the cause people to die.

[Nawny]

The east eye wall (the strongest part) came through my home town. With my family in the house. We never had a calm when the eye was there. It didn't let up for 5 or 6 hours. Oh, that was a mess. We owned 6.5 acres and had 30 trees down just in the yard. The wooded area was a junk pile. We were without power for 2.5 weeks. Funny, the federal government didn't offer us anything. We had to dig out ourselves. All they did was paperwork on what happened. I don't want to get started on that.

That is very upsetting to hear. I'm grateful that we haven't had that kind of situation here. Being so close to the ocean it's amazing. There were huge losses in 1954. Hugo was a walk in the park for us compared to other areas.
No government help huh? Heh. Seems they rake the bucks in since Katrina for property insurance though aye?? Everybody pays for Katrina. Most especially Florida. Poppa was furious after that hurricane. being an Insurance broker he hates the industry with a passion, especially because they refused to cover costs in that case because many didn't have flood insurance. He was yelling at the TV saying, "That wasn't FLOOD damage you SOB's!"

If you think about the dirty stuff in the political world today it will take you directly to the Insurance Industry. They take so much and give so little and they don't pay taxes. Lots of Tricky Mickey stuff going on there. Very bad.

For Katrina, tax payers carry the load not the insurance providers. God bless America our home sweet home. :flamemad:

[Nawny]

Don't get me started on insurance. The next move for them is to deny or hike the cost of health insurance for people who do not fit their height/weight requirements. It is sort of having life insurance that is in effect unless you do something like die. I guess that will be next. Or life insuranve that will be in effect unless you have birthdays and get older. Then it will either be tripled or be out of canceled. Insurance is a rip off anymore.

The Dr.s brought the cost of liability insurance on themselves by trying to treat more patients than they can handle and makeing mistakes that cause people to die.

Exactly! It is also the reason they send you for tests to rule out what isn't there, just in case you get something they can be sued for not seeing.

[deacon]

That is very upsetting to hear. I'm grateful that we haven't had that kind of situation here. Being so close to the ocean it's amazing. There were huge losses in 1954. Hugo was a walk in the park for us compared to other areas.
No government help huh? Heh. Seems they rake the bucks in since Katrina for property insurance though aye?? Everybody pays for Katrina. Most especially Florida. Poppa was furious after that hurricane. being an Insurance broker he hates the industry with a passion, especially because they refused to cover costs in that case because many didn't have flood insurance. He was yelling at the TV saying, "That wasn't FLOOD damage you SOB's!"

If you think about the dirty stuff in the political world today it will take you directly to the Insurance Industry. They take so much and give so little and they don't pay taxes. Lots of Tricky Mickey stuff going on there. Very bad.

For Katrina, tax payers carry the load not the insurance providers. God bless America our home sweet home. :flamemad:

Nope, but the difference is we dug ourselves out without screaming bloody murder and blaming everyone. Now there were several hundred families that would have loved to have one of the trailers. they had lost everything and had no where to live. Shoot, they would have been smart enough to understand that the units needed to be aired out before occupied.

On Katrina, why in the ding dong devil do you live in a city that is below sea level? Most of the damage was done when the dikes failed. When your home sits below sea level wouldn't it make sense to have flood insurance? If you have a home loan here if you live within so far of a flood zone you are forced to have it.

[Nawny]

Nope, but the difference is we dug ourselves out without screaming bloody murder and blaming everyone. Now there were several hundred families that would have loved to have one of the trailers. they had lost everything and had no where to live. Shoot, they would have been smart enough to understand that the units needed to be aired out before occupied.

On Katrina, why in the ding dong devil do you live in a city that is below sea level? Most of the damage was done when the dikes failed. When your home sits below sea level wouldn't it make sense to have flood insurance? If you have a home loan here if you live within so far of a flood zone you are forced to have it.That's true re the dike failure and those requirements we not met. But much of the damage was due to the hurricane winds but the ins providers still refused to pay even though it was not flood damage. No free lunch deacon. Not a bit of sense in that eveil woman Katrina.

Yes now property owners are forced to have it in the desert, me thinks.

[BeastofBears]

Don't get me started on insurance. The next move for them is to deny or hike the cost of health insurance for people who do not fit their height/weight requirements. It is sort of having life insurance that is in effect unless you do something like die. I guess that will be next. Or life insuranve that will be in effect unless you have birthdays and get older. Then it will either be tripled or be out of canceled. Insurance is a rip off anymore.

The Dr.s brought the cost of liability insurance on themselves by trying to treat more patients than they can handle and makeing mistakes the cause people to die.

Here's one thing (among many) I don't get with the "health care reform" bill(s): 2 provisions are in all versions. Insurance companies cannot refuse to give someone insurance for "pre-existing conditions" and they cannot charge more for someone with "pre-existing conditions". If the fine is $2500 per year for not having insurance, cheaper than most insurance...why on earth would I buy insurance until I got sick and had need of it? Oh, I just got diagnosed with cancer? Better call Blue Cross and get that insurance now!

I honestly believe that what we need is an improvement and expansion of Medicare, and an elimination of COBRA, folding it into the Medicare system, because having to pay $300+ when you lose you job is nuts. But not some of the crazy stuff I'm hearing about these bills, like, hello, cutting Medicare?

[deacon]

Here's one thing (among many) I don't get with the "health care reform" bill(s): 2 provisions are in all versions. Insurance companies cannot refuse to give someone insurance for "pre-existing conditions" and they cannot charge more for someone with "pre-existing conditions". If the fine is $2500 per year for not having insurance, cheaper than most insurance...why on earth would I buy insurance until I got sick and had need of it? Oh, I just got diagnosed with cancer? Better call Blue Cross and get that insurance now!

I honestly believe that what we need is an improvement and expansion of Medicare, and an elimination of COBRA, folding it into the Medicare system, because having to pay $300+ when you lose you job is nuts. But not some of the crazy stuff I'm hearing about these bills, like, hello, cutting Medicare?

That is not where I was going with that. I understand the pre-existing conditions what I do not understand (I really do but do not agree) is that insurance companies now seem to have the right to dictate life styles. See what I mean? Where will they stop? First it was smoking, now they are trying to target people who do not fit their weight requirements, what next? Color of you eyes? People who drink? People who like to or as a part of their job, must be in the sun? There has to be a stopping point somewhere and no one seems to be moving to stop the selected increases. The reason is, people will not see the writing on the wall. Just because smoking does not affect them then it is okay to treat smokers like second class people. Next will it be the overweight? People with tans? That is a classic divide and conquer strategy. Divide the whole into little groups and charge them what you will. All the while, denying claims at every chance.

[Nawny]

That is not where I was going with that. I understand the pre-existing conditions what I do not understand (I really do but do not agree) is that insurance companies now seem to have the right to dictate life styles. See what I mean? Where will they stop? First it was smoking, now they are trying to target people who do not fit their weight requirements, what next? Color of you eyes? People who drink? People who like to or as a part of their job, must be in the sun? There has to be a stopping point somewhere and no one seems to be moving to stop the selected increases. The reason is, people will not see the writing on the wall. Just because smoking does not affect them then it is okay to treat smokers like second class people. Next will it be the overweight? People with tans? That is a classic divide and conquer strategy. Divide the whole into little groups and charge them what you will. All the while, denying claims at every chance.

Here's what blue Cross is telling in its latest campaign.
THey want to begin a program that offers those who want a break in their premiums to take advantage of. THe program is outfitted with Doctors and nurses who are available along with counselors who check on your progress. They give you special diets, exercise menus, quit smoking classes, 12 step programs, yada yada.. and check ups to document your progress. Those who join this program and take part in the prescription for better health, get a cut in rates.

Now, who pays all these people? Guess!

While the CEO's of Blue Cross are sipping umbrella drinks in the Caribbean.

[SaraSidle]

The east eye wall (the strongest part) came through my home town. With my family in the house. We never had a calm when the eye was there. It didn't let up for 5 or 6 hours. Oh, that was a mess. We owned 6.5 acres and had 30 trees down just in the yard. The wooded area was a junk pile. We were without power for 2.5 weeks. Funny, the federal government didn't offer us anything. We had to dig out ourselves. All they did was paperwork on what happened. I don't want to get started on that.

that is so bad Deacon. I am sorry you had to go through that. I am suprised FEMA or whoever did not help since the hurricane kept going north against the coast. A lot of states were involved and it was big news. sara

[Nawny]

Here's one thing (among many) I don't get with the "health care reform" bill(s): 2 provisions are in all versions. Insurance companies cannot refuse to give someone insurance for "pre-existing conditions" and they cannot charge more for someone with "pre-existing conditions". If the fine is $2500 per year for not having insurance, cheaper than most insurance...why on earth would I buy insurance until I got sick and had need of it? Oh, I just got diagnosed with cancer? Better call Blue Cross and get that insurance now!

I honestly believe that what we need is an improvement and expansion of Medicare, and an elimination of COBRA, folding it into the Medicare system, because having to pay $300+ when you lose you job is nuts. But not some of the crazy stuff I'm hearing about these bills, like, hello, cutting Medicare?

I've dealt with medicare when my FIL and MIL were elderly and needy. It would take a law degree from Philly to understand it completely. There are so many dangling arms and legs that you can opt for, you may as well buy Blue Cross coverage. Poppa turned 65 last year and bought the medicare extra package. I thought it was free?? NOT!

I told him, Don't get sick poppa! Just pay the man! But that's just him. He insures and alarms everything. I think he has a micro chip in my foot, just in case I forget to alarm the alarm or get lost in the den. :(

[Amy]

Yeah, there was a rash of them my first pregnancy, too. Unbelievable freaks out there.

People shouldn't do the "the baby's here!" announcement in front of the house. A woman 4 years ago was killed and her newborn stolen from a drive-by baby wanter. Another one made a "friend" online who came by and killed her for the baby. You never know who is one those "expecting boards", you know? Though she was chatting on a dog board with the freaky killer and they made plans to meet at preggie lady's house.

And yeah, I'm paranoid

That second one, the mom-to-be was in Skidmore, MO, and the killer mom was in KS, Melvern? I think. She did go to trial, and the defense tried for a mental defense, but failed. Too much planning went on for this to not be considered premeditated. Lisa Montgomery got the DP for the murder of Bobbi Jo Stinnett.

Around the same time, there were some infant abductions, one from a home, another from a hospital, but thank goodness the moms were unharmed, and the babies were returned home safely. Not such good news from a girl whose body was found in a field in OK. The baby didn't live, either, cuz the murderer must have miscalulated the gestational age, and it was too early. Probably would have lived if he had been born in a hospital.

[SaraSidle]

That is not where I was going with that. I understand the pre-existing conditions what I do not understand (I really do but do not agree) is that insurance companies now seem to have the right to dictate life styles. See what I mean? Where will they stop? First it was smoking, now they are trying to target people who do not fit their weight requirements, what next? Color of you eyes? People who drink? People who like to or as a part of their job, must be in the sun? There has to be a stopping point somewhere and no one seems to be moving to stop the selected increases. The reason is, people will not see the writing on the wall. Just because smoking does not affect them then it is okay to treat smokers like second class people. Next will it be the overweight? People with tans? That is a classic divide and conquer strategy. Divide the whole into little groups and charge them what you will. All the while, denying claims at every chance.

where my husband works we have to quit smoking and/or lose weight or be in a class to do so with documentation we were there or we pay $20.00 a week for our insurance. Yes including me his spouse who does not work there.
this really hurts:cuss:

[Amy]

I read about that. I am amazed that her family said in a media report that she was diagnosed with post-partum psychosis and they left her alone with him!

I didn't read the article, but for pete's sake, why in the world would her parents, his parents, any aunts, uncles, etc even THINK it would be okay to leave a mother that they KNOW has pp psychosis, alone with any child, especially her baby. Obviously, hubby or whomever did not listen to warnings from the doctor or nurses about how dangerous the psychosis could be. I can't imagine that they WEREN'T warned, but it possibly could be they weren't.

But, heck, these days, people look up stubbed toes on the internet. You'd think they would get some information that way, if they didn't from the doctor. Or, confirm it was as bad as the doctor told them. Whomever made the decision to let her be alone w/her baby should be filled with regret, remorse, tears, unable to function for the rest of his/her life (cuz you know this person will never be held responsible legally.)

[Amy]

Hugo, I remember him well. Not fondly but well.

I always enjoy reading your responses. Your humor is just like my nephew's. Funny.

[Amy]

Don't get me started on insurance. The next move for them is to deny or hike the cost of health insurance for people who do not fit their height/weight requirements. It is sort of having life insurance that is in effect unless you do something like die. I guess that will be next. Or life insuranve that will be in effect unless you have birthdays and get older. Then it will either be tripled or be out of canceled. Insurance is a rip off anymore.

The Dr.s brought the cost of liability insurance on themselves by trying to treat more patients than they can handle and makeing mistakes the cause people to die.

The proposed health bill holds some interesting tidbits. And Mr Obama has been telling lies. Either he didn't read it (which is likely) and/or he doesn't expect citizens to be able to read it. Actually, they did try to push this thru before ANYONE had a chance to read it. On one news program, a senator or representative had voted for the stimulus garbage that was passed, and ADMITTED he hadn't even read it!!! I think that NO BILL should be passed until the people voting on it AND the American people have had a chance to read it. Set a reasonable deadline, but NO BILL should be passed until it is READ. Did I say no bill should be passed before it's read?

Anyway, it truely does include things about the elderly. The fact that they will be "collateral damage" as will be the "special needs" kids is in there. The gov't health bill, if passed as is, will be so horrendous, and they will have to save money somewhere. That means they will be looking @ the old folks, and will this person's life be "productive" if he is treated, and will it be for a year or maybe 5 or 10? The elderly will only get palliative care. And the special needs kids who used to be in a special ed center and now are mainstreamed into the public school system? The school system won't have to worry about how to pay paras to help them thru their school day, because they will not be getting the medical attention they now have. They will not be alive to worry about what classroom they are in.

I WATCHED and HEARD Mr Obama himself on the tv where he said, there will have to be some sacrifices made. We will have to look at their usefulness to society (paraphrased.)

Now, what I want to know is, are the dregs on society who don't do a lick of work, but take our money in welfare dollars and whatever program they can get their way on to--are THEY going to be able to take advantage of the "free" health system? I am NOT talking about people who truely need the assistance, because I do realize there are those who do. But I know a whole lot of folks who could be out making a living (pre recession, layoff times) but feel ENTITLED to being supported by me and all the other taxpayers. I say, if THEY cannot prove to be productive members of society, THEY should also receive the same lack of treatment that the elderly and infirm would. IMO. :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad: :flamemad:

(Did I mention I don't think we want the bill in it's present terms to be passed?)

[Amy]

Exactly! It is also the reason they send you for tests to rule out what isn't there, just in case you get something they can be sued for not seeing.

They don't so much, any more. @ least in this area. Cuz the insurance people tell the docs what will be covered in searching for whatever diagnosis. For the most part, they start with the treatment for whatever is the most likely. Such as, when you come in with cold-like symptoms, you will be treated for a cold, as that is most likely what it is, and the treatment for a cold is pretty cheap, considering what it costs for a more major diagnosis. Then, if your cold doesn't go away, the doc will start looking @ other symptoms, and again, will go for what it most likely will be, and treat accordingly. Now, they could DO a rack of tests, but the insurance company is likely to not cover those it thinks weren't necessary. And the doc would try to get the money from the patient, and the patient would get mad, cuz why did the doctor do these tests if they weren't covered?

There are complaints about how long it might take to make a proper diagnosis, but there would be just as many complaints about overtreating the cold, so to speak. The problems about malpractice insurance aren't so much the people who truely have a case. There are a lot of frivolous malpractice suits going on, too. Those cost a heap of money, and the insurance company is likely as not to settle, whether there is culpability on the doctor's part or not, because it frankly costs less in time and money to do so.

Such as the patient who does not follow doctor's orders and ends up in a mess. Now, it's not the doctor's fault that the patient is non-compliant. He provides the diagnosis, presents what treatments are available and specify which treatment he thinks is best. If the patient ignores all that, the patient should have to take responsibility, plain and simple. But this is the type of person who will sue the doc for malpractice. Probably also sues the neighbor if the neighbor's dog poops in his yard, or if McD's gets his order wrong. :mad:

[Amy]

[/B]That's true re the dike failure and those requirements we not met. But much of the damage was due to the hurricane winds but the ins providers still refused to pay even though it was not flood damage. No free lunch deacon. Not a bit of sense in that eveil woman Katrina.

Yes now property owners are forced to have it in the desert, me thinks.

That's what is happening here. Now, there was a flood in the city down the road in '65. The south end of the town where by the river is what flooded. We get some rain, but not much @ all. FEMA demands that areas in town (near the drainage ditch, which, in almost 40 years, I haven't seen any water in, even after rains) WILL have flood insurance. There have been numerous meetings, last I heard, FEMA is not going to listen. :flamemad: When I first moved over here, I had to have flood insurance. The fellow @ the bank said there's about 80 more years for the next predicted flood to come along. They did change the zone a few years ago, and I was able to remove it. Wonder if FEMA will tackle us next?

[Amy]

Here's one thing (among many) I don't get with the "health care reform" bill(s): 2 provisions are in all versions. Insurance companies cannot refuse to give someone insurance for "pre-existing conditions" and they cannot charge more for someone with "pre-existing conditions". If the fine is $2500 per year for not having insurance, cheaper than most insurance...why on earth would I buy insurance until I got sick and had need of it? Oh, I just got diagnosed with cancer? Better call Blue Cross and get that insurance now!

I honestly believe that what we need is an improvement and expansion of Medicare, and an elimination of COBRA, folding it into the Medicare system, because having to pay $300+ when you lose you job is nuts. But not some of the crazy stuff I'm hearing about these bills, like, hello, cutting Medicare?

My BIL was "let go" along with other tenured college teachers several years ago. My sister eventually quit her job and they built some houses. But both were now without insurance. Sister says they pay $900 a month for the 2 of them, and that was the least expensive they could get. BIL still has to pay a bucket load for his medications--which he has refused to do, so goes without. I think sis makes sure his life insurance is kept up!!!

[Amy]

That is not where I was going with that. I understand the pre-existing conditions what I do not understand (I really do but do not agree) is that insurance companies now seem to have the right to dictate life styles. See what I mean? Where will they stop? First it was smoking, now they are trying to target people who do not fit their weight requirements, what next? Color of you eyes? People who drink? People who like to or as a part of their job, must be in the sun? There has to be a stopping point somewhere and no one seems to be moving to stop the selected increases. The reason is, people will not see the writing on the wall. Just because smoking does not affect them then it is okay to treat smokers like second class people. Next will it be the overweight? People with tans? That is a classic divide and conquer strategy. Divide the whole into little groups and charge them what you will. All the while, denying claims at every chance.

This conversation has come up before, and actually, I was listening to talk radio today and it came up again. Only, it wasn't the INSURANCE companies that it was being talked about for making people pay for their life-styles. It was about sin taxes. Now on liquor and cigarettes. There are people who have made noises about taxing fattening foods, fast food places. In fact, NY was listed as a state where the fat foods are taxed. Fat? Gonna tax you on your food and whatever else. In fact someone in these "out there" groups want to make it against the law for fat people to eat out--not allowed in restaurants and fast food eateries. Well, I don't know WHO is going to determine when a person becomes "fat" enough to be denied entrance. Probably some anorexic fool.

I can't remember the other "life styles" that these groups would tax--because 1)the state and federal governments are going to NEED that tax money and 2) because there are certain life styles that end up with more need of medical care--using up the taxes we will be paying for gov't health care.

Two life styles I haven't heard about being taxed--the homosexuals and the drug users. Both of those right there are darn risky life styles. These are 2 of the type of people who are more likely to contract aides than about any other life style. Why wouldn't THEY be taxed? And prostitution--of course, like marijauna it would need to be legalized to be eligible for taxation? Aides treatment is a pretty expensive proposition. Wonder if someone w/aides would be in the same fix as the old folks?

[BeastofBears]

That is not where I was going with that. I understand the pre-existing conditions what I do not understand (I really do but do not agree) is that insurance companies now seem to have the right to dictate life styles. See what I mean? Where will they stop? First it was smoking, now they are trying to target people who do not fit their weight requirements, what next? Color of you eyes? People who drink? People who like to or as a part of their job, must be in the sun? There has to be a stopping point somewhere and no one seems to be moving to stop the selected increases. The reason is, people will not see the writing on the wall. Just because smoking does not affect them then it is okay to treat smokers like second class people. Next will it be the overweight? People with tans? That is a classic divide and conquer strategy. Divide the whole into little groups and charge them what you will. All the while, denying claims at every chance.

I know, I was going off topic into my politician rant-I self-identified it as my pet peeve of the day :)

But I totally get what you are saying-we all have risk factors of one kind or another, and they just figure out more and more of them and use 'em as an excuse for more money.

[BeastofBears]

The proposed health bill holds some interesting tidbits. And Mr Obama has been telling lies. Either he didn't read it (which is likely) and/or he doesn't expect citizens to be able to read it. Actually, they did try to push this thru before ANYONE had a chance to read it. On one news program, a senator or representative had voted for the stimulus garbage that was passed, and ADMITTED he hadn't even read it!!! I think that NO BILL should be passed until the people voting on it AND the American people have had a chance to read it. Set a reasonable deadline, but NO BILL should be passed until it is READ. Did I say no bill should be passed before it's read?

Anyway, it truely does include things about the elderly. The fact that they will be "collateral damage" as will be the "special needs" kids is in there. The gov't health bill, if passed as is, will be so horrendous, and they will have to save money somewhere. That means they will be looking @ the old folks, and will this person's life be "productive" if he is treated, and will it be for a year or maybe 5 or 10? The elderly will only get palliative care. And the special needs kids who used to be in a special ed center and now are mainstreamed into the public school system? The school system won't have to worry about how to pay paras to help them thru their school day, because they will not be getting the medical attention they now have. They will not be alive to worry about what classroom they are in.

I WATCHED and HEARD Mr Obama himself on the tv where he said, there will have to be some sacrifices made. We will have to look at their usefulness to society (paraphrased.)

Now, what I want to know is, are the dregs on society who don't do a lick of work, but take our money in welfare dollars and whatever program they can get their way on to--are THEY going to be able to take advantage of the "free" health system? I am NOT talking about people who truely need the assistance, because I do realize there are those who do. But I know a whole lot of folks who could be out making a living (pre recession, layoff times) but feel ENTITLED to being supported by me and all the other taxpayers. I say, if THEY cannot prove to be productive members of society, THEY should also receive the same lack of treatment that the elderly and infirm would. IMO. :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad: :flamemad:

(Did I mention I don't think we want the bill in it's present terms to be passed?)

ITA! :beer::patriot:

[BeastofBears]

OMG i just read an article in the Murders in the News section about a woman who was 8 months pregnant who was found dead wrapped in bedding in a closet after not being heard from since thursday! that is not the worst part, her baby had been CUT OUT of her body!!! and now they are looking for the baby, saying he could have survived but would have needed IMMEDIATE medical care!!!

this is terrifying!! it is the third story this summer i have read about pregnant women being murdered and their babies stolen right from their bodies!!!!

i just cannot believe this is happening, what possesses people these days to do things this horrible :(:cuss:

They found the baby alive and in good condition, and made arrests. :rose:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535540,00.html

[Amy]

I know, I was going off topic into my politician rant-I self-identified it as my pet peeve of the day :)

But I totally get what you are saying-we all have risk factors of one kind or another, and they just figure out more and more of them and use 'em as an excuse for more money.

So, we have some sort of government panel that will decide what life-styles are "okay" and which ones are not? And, do the people on this panel AND the president and senators and representatives and secretaries of this and that and the other going to be held to the same measuring stick as us mere mortals? That is one thing I think should be included in any bill of any kind that comes down the pike. The "government" people should have to abide by whatever laws the rest of us do. If they vote in national health care--they should be under the same restrictions as the rest of us. Which brings me to think--if, as is projected, government health care pushes out all of the insurance companies, or even cripples them, exactly what insurance company will these government people use? There either won't be any private insurors (like BC BS, The Pru, etc) or their premiums would be out of this world.

The panel for the allowable food--will they have to stick with only what they will put on the list for us? Will it be a list from nutrition experts, or just a list of the foods THEY like and will eat?

[Amy]

They found the baby alive and in good condition, and made arrests. :rose:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535540,00.html

Thanks for the update.

[BeastofBears]

So, we have some sort of government panel that will decide what life-styles are "okay" and which ones are not? And, do the people on this panel AND the president and senators and representatives and secretaries of this and that and the other going to be held to the same measuring stick as us mere mortals? That is one thing I think should be included in any bill of any kind that comes down the pike. The "government" people should have to abide by whatever laws the rest of us do. If they vote in national health care--they should be under the same restrictions as the rest of us. Which brings me to think--if, as is projected, government health care pushes out all of the insurance companies, or even cripples them, exactly what insurance company will these government people use? There either won't be any private insurors (like BC BS, The Pru, etc) or their premiums would be out of this world.

The panel for the allowable food--will they have to stick with only what they will put on the list for us? Will it be a list from nutrition experts, or just a list of the foods THEY like and will eat?

arugula? or perhaps...foods their constituents produce? or, Soylent Green when they have destroyed all the US farms?

I don't know why politicians try to give the govt more control when eventually the opposing party will win an election and then they will wield all that control...less government for me, thanks...

[Amy]

arugula? or perhaps...foods their constituents produce? or, Soylent Green when they have destroyed all the US farms?

I don't know why politicians try to give the govt more control when eventually the opposing party will win an election and then they will wield all that control...less government for me, thanks...

Bolding mine. I absolutely, positively agree!!! Too much of people wanting a law for this and a law for that. Everybody should just live their own lives and not worry about the guy or gal down the street, IMO. Except, of course, to report abuse, that is another whole ball of wax. But, what I do in my own home, how I dress, what I eat, and what I drive should be MY decision, and no one should be telling me how. If my neighbors were living their own lives and minding THEIR p's and q's, they wouldn't have time to worry about me and mine, let alone to force THEIR values on me!!! Even my Mom and Daddy quit telling me what to do once I became an adult. And, the government needs to stay out of how I raise my kids, what values I want them to respect when THEY are grown up.

I will tho, take the liberty to tell people who laze around on my tax dollar that they need to get a job, get a life!!!! ;)

[deacon]

Here's what blue Cross is telling in its latest campaign.
THey want to begin a program that offers those who want a break in their premiums to take advantage of. THe program is outfitted with Doctors and nurses who are available along with counselors who check on your progress. They give you special diets, exercise menus, quit smoking classes, 12 step programs, yada yada.. and check ups to document your progress. Those who join this program and take part in the prescription for better health, get a cut in rates.

Now, who pays all these people? Guess!

While the CEO's of Blue Cross are sipping umbrella drinks in the Caribbean.

They don't give a rat's patoot about anyone either. it is all about money in their pocket

[deacon]

The proposed health bill holds some interesting tidbits. And Mr Obama has been telling lies. Either he didn't read it (which is likely) and/or he doesn't expect citizens to be able to read it. Actually, they did try to push this thru before ANYONE had a chance to read it. On one news program, a senator or representative had voted for the stimulus garbage that was passed, and ADMITTED he hadn't even read it!!! I think that NO BILL should be passed until the people voting on it AND the American people have had a chance to read it. Set a reasonable deadline, but NO BILL should be passed until it is READ. Did I say no bill should be passed before it's read?

Anyway, it truely does include things about the elderly. The fact that they will be "collateral damage" as will be the "special needs" kids is in there. The gov't health bill, if passed as is, will be so horrendous, and they will have to save money somewhere. That means they will be looking @ the old folks, and will this person's life be "productive" if he is treated, and will it be for a year or maybe 5 or 10? The elderly will only get palliative care. And the special needs kids who used to be in a special ed center and now are mainstreamed into the public school system? The school system won't have to worry about how to pay paras to help them thru their school day, because they will not be getting the medical attention they now have. They will not be alive to worry about what classroom they are in.

I WATCHED and HEARD Mr Obama himself on the tv where he said, there will have to be some sacrifices made. We will have to look at their usefulness to society (paraphrased.)

Now, what I want to know is, are the dregs on society who don't do a lick of work, but take our money in welfare dollars and whatever program they can get their way on to--are THEY going to be able to take advantage of the "free" health system? I am NOT talking about people who truely need the assistance, because I do realize there are those who do. But I know a whole lot of folks who could be out making a living (pre recession, layoff times) but feel ENTITLED to being supported by me and all the other taxpayers. I say, if THEY cannot prove to be productive members of society, THEY should also receive the same lack of treatment that the elderly and infirm would. IMO. :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad: :flamemad:

(Did I mention I don't think we want the bill in it's present terms to be passed?)

Our president when asked if he or congress would be covered by this health plan did not comment. Tell you anything? It is a promise the people who do not work, not that can not find work, that he is trying to provide. It is kinda like saying the police were stupid about arresting a person before they know the whole story. He isn't thinking.

[deacon]

This conversation has come up before, and actually, I was listening to talk radio today and it came up again. Only, it wasn't the INSURANCE companies that it was being talked about for making people pay for their life-styles. It was about sin taxes. Now on liquor and cigarettes. There are people who have made noises about taxing fattening foods, fast food places. In fact, NY was listed as a state where the fat foods are taxed. Fat? Gonna tax you on your food and whatever else. In fact someone in these "out there" groups want to make it against the law for fat people to eat out--not allowed in restaurants and fast food eateries. Well, I don't know WHO is going to determine when a person becomes "fat" enough to be denied entrance. Probably some anorexic fool.

I can't remember the other "life styles" that these groups would tax--because 1)the state and federal governments are going to NEED that tax money and 2) because there are certain life styles that end up with more need of medical care--using up the taxes we will be paying for gov't health care.

Two life styles I haven't heard about being taxed--the homosexuals and the drug users. Both of those right there are darn risky life styles. These are 2 of the type of people who are more likely to contract aides than about any other life style. Why wouldn't THEY be taxed? And prostitution--of course, like marijauna it would need to be legalized to be eligible for taxation? Aides treatment is a pretty expensive proposition. Wonder if someone w/aides would be in the same fix as the old folks?

That is an oxymoron (sp early in am) There are a very large number os "sins" that could be taxed but these people don't see them as sins. Our govenor for one. It seems that people only see sins in what others do

Fat? Insurance companies have height and weight charts for that. A large number of the populaition is out of work and the tax base has shrunk. They must have the money to waste so they have to tax something. Next will be a counter attached to certain parts of the body so they can tax that. Call it a "fun tax."

[Nawny]

They don't so much, any more. @ least in this area. Cuz the insurance people tell the docs what will be covered in searching for whatever diagnosis. For the most part, they start with the treatment for whatever is the most likely. Such as, when you come in with cold-like symptoms, you will be treated for a cold, as that is most likely what it is, and the treatment for a cold is pretty cheap, considering what it costs for a more major diagnosis. Then, if your cold doesn't go away, the doc will start looking @ other symptoms, and again, will go for what it most likely will be, and treat accordingly. Now, they could DO a rack of tests, but the insurance company is likely to not cover those it thinks weren't necessary. And the doc would try to get the money from the patient, and the patient would get mad, cuz why did the doctor do these tests if they weren't covered?

There are complaints about how long it might take to make a proper diagnosis, but there would be just as many complaints about overtreating the cold, so to speak. The problems about malpractice insurance aren't so much the people who truely have a case. There are a lot of frivolous malpractice suits going on, too. Those cost a heap of money, and the insurance company is likely as not to settle, whether there is culpability on the doctor's part or not, because it frankly costs less in time and money to do so.

Such as the patient who does not follow doctor's orders and ends up in a mess. Now, it's not the doctor's fault that the patient is non-compliant. He provides the diagnosis, presents what treatments are available and specify which treatment he thinks is best. If the patient ignores all that, the patient should have to take responsibility, plain and simple. But this is the type of person who will sue the doc for malpractice. Probably also sues the neighbor if the neighbor's dog poops in his yard, or if McD's gets his order wrong. :mad:

ITA! There are those who are "sue happy" dolts! And there are doctors who are too tired or too stupid to at least send the patient to a Diagnostician when he or she isn't sure what's happening. Then again, there are doctors who cut off the wrong leg. The entire system needs a little tune up, right Amy?

[Nawny]

My BIL was "let go" along with other tenured college teachers several years ago. My sister eventually quit her job and they built some houses. But both were now without insurance. Sister says they pay $900 a month for the 2 of them, and that was the least expensive they could get. BIL still has to pay a bucket load for his medications--which he has refused to do, so goes without. I think sis makes sure his life insurance is kept up!!!

Yes Amy. $900. a month. It's like another mortgage. We saw our Blue Cross hike and went with United Health which is less but there is a huge deductible. That's how they get cha. I blame the Insurance industry for a lot of the problems in this country. (Including hospital problems such as low staffing.)

I think it comes full circle when the cost of insurance causes people to go broke, which causes them to need government assistance. And the beat goes on. I get that Obama sees the problem but I don't expect him to solve it.

[Nawny]

Our president when asked if he or congress would be covered by this health plan did not comment. Tell you anything? It is a promise the people who do not work, not that can not find work, that he is trying to provide. It is kinda like saying the police were stupid about arresting a person before they know the whole story. He isn't thinking.

I think he's trying to poke the beast called INSURANCE, (which is a broad term) which might get him a well fitted cement jacket. Sort of like when Bobby Kennedy was poking the beast called Unions. Its really bad deacon!

Example: If you have a car insurance policy and it covers $200,000 in damages. You get in a car accident. The cost to them is $5,000. They put $195,000 in an escrow account because the other party has 7 years to sue you. While that money is there, they write it off as a loss. This goes on and on and they never pay taxes on the profit from all the premiums paid. It is the worst form of robbery in the world. I have never had a car accident and I've been paying insurance forever!

As for medical insurance, I wonder what the average of insurance paid out is, compared to insurance paid in and never used. If I didn't own property, I'd never pay insurance. I hate it! But hospitals can and do attach property.

When I was married to my first husband, his dad got sick. I took him to the hospital. I signed something or other when they admitted him. He died, left the house to me. He was on medicare, because he was retired. There was a balance of some $300. dollars that Medicare did not cover. I received a letter several months later warning that they were prepared to put a lean on the property if I didn't pay the balance within a certain amount of time. Fortunately, it was a small amount but they would have slapped a lean no matter what the amount.

I was 27 years old and had no idea that I was taking financial responsibility when I signed the paper they shoved in front of me when I took him to the hospital.

[Nawny]

They found the baby alive and in good condition, and made arrests. :rose:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535540,00.html

Oh my God! Be still my heart.

It's in the water. :(

[beemer]

Bob-update on the Toronto city workers strike. Expected to sign agreement today and could be back on the job as early as tomorrow. Enviroment Canada has given them 24 hours to clean up the garbage dumping grounds-mainly parks. Private contracts in place to assist with the 24 hour clean up.

[BeastofBears]

That is an oxymoron (sp early in am) There are a very large number os "sins" that could be taxed but these people don't see them as sins. Our govenor for one. It seems that people only see sins in what others do

Fat? Insurance companies have height and weight charts for that. A large number of the populaition is out of work and the tax base has shrunk. They must have the money to waste so they have to tax something. Next will be a counter attached to certain parts of the body so they can tax that. Call it a "fun tax."

The funny thing is, people who have a high BMI at 40 live longer than those with a low BMI. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1eab2291f 6.81&show_article=1

You! Eat more! You, over there! Eat less! Hey you! Butt out! myodb!

[BeastofBears]

I think he's trying to poke the beast called INSURANCE, (which is a broad term) which might get him a well fitted cement jacket. Sort of like when Bobby Kennedy was poking the beast called Unions. Its really bad deacon!

Example: If you have a car insurance policy and it covers $200,000 in damages. You get in a car accident. The cost to them is $5,000. They put $195,000 in an escrow account because the other party has 7 years to sue you. While that money is there, they write it off as a loss. This goes on and on and they never pay taxes on the profit from all the premiums paid. It is the worst form of robbery in the world. I have never had a car accident and I've been paying insurance forever!

As for medical insurance, I wonder what the average of insurance paid out is, compared to insurance paid in and never used. If I didn't own property, I'd never pay insurance. I hate it! But hospitals can and do attach property.

When I was married to my first husband, his dad got sick. I took him to the hospital. I signed something or other when they admitted him. He died, left the house to me. He was on medicare, because he was retired. There was a balance of some $300. dollars that Medicare did not cover. I received a letter several months later warning that they were prepared to put a lean on the property if I didn't pay the balance within a certain amount of time. Fortunately, it was a small amount but they would have slapped a lean no matter what the amount.

I was 27 years old and had no idea that I was taking financial responsibility when I signed the paper they shoved in front of me when I took him to the hospital.

But then there are nice things sometimes.

When my dad died, there was over $300,000 in hospital bills. They just said, don't worry about it, and it disappeared...I bet the government won't let nice things like that happen when they have their fingers in the pie. You VILL collect all of ze monies!

[BeastofBears]

Bob-update on the Toronto city workers strike. Expected to sign agreement today and could be back on the job as early as tomorrow. Enviroment Canada has given them 24 hours to clean up the garbage dumping grounds-mainly parks. Private contracts in place to assist with the 24 hour clean up.

Ha! They made a huge mess that THEY have to clean up! I see where strikes of transit and other services can work...but garbage just results in abject misery for the workers, imo.

[deacon]

The funny thing is, people who have a high BMI at 40 live longer than those with a low BMI. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1eab2291f 6.81&show_article=1

You! Eat more! You, over there! Eat less! Hey you! Butt out! myodb!

Only if the insurance companies say so. Do you know what silicosis is? It is a disease very simular to emphasima. (sp) In fact for years it was diagnosed as that. They didn't know what silicosis was. Well, ya know how that develops? Breathing silica. Very common in sandy soil. Hmmm all those farmers who plowed their fields with open cabs breathing that almost every day of the year and when they developed it the dr.s blamed smoking. Now OSHA is saying with some backing from the medical group, that is should be regulated in the work place like arsenic or lead. Sure wish they would make up their minds. Was it smoking or silica? pssst they will never say. One side of their mouths will say one thing and the other side will say something else.

[BeastofBears]

Only if the insurance companies say so. Do you know what silicosis is? It is a disease very simular to emphasima. (sp) In fact for years it was diagnosed as that. They didn't know what silicosis was. Well, ya know how that develops? Breathing silica. Very common in sandy soil. Hmmm all those farmers who plowed their fields with open cabs breathing that almost every day of the year and when they developed it the dr.s blamed smoking. Now OSHA is saying with some backing from the medical group, that is should be regulated in the work place like arsenic or lead. Sure wish they would make up their minds. Was it smoking or silica? pssst they will never say. One side of their mouths will say one thing and the other side will say something else.

Very common in Egypt, both anciently and today. Sandstorms. I wonder how they'll regulate that?

[deacon]

Very common in Egypt, both anciently and today. Sandstorms. I wonder how they'll regulate that?

OSHA will require people working with concrete to wear half or full face respirators. Now won't that be a hoot. A bunch of construction workers wearing those things and they must be clean shaven too. Right, I can see that happening right now. (NOT) It will play out and we will do the same thing we have been doing for 15 years. Wet cutting concrete. The water keeps the dust down if you use it correctly. We will also keep running a water truck all over the site wetting roads and other areas so there is no dust flying to breathe. Gee, I didn't read anything in the proposed standard that mentioned the road dust. Maybe we can quit doing that. Those IH people must not think it is necessary. Dem. admin.'s always cause these things. Rush to pass something before they acctually do a proper study. Remember the rush to pass the ergo standard? It was terrible. Not thought out, planned and it would have cost general industry BILLIONS to comply. And it would still not have stopped the problem. Since it was taken down, more companies have done more studies and attacked the problem than ever. It is working too.

[BeastofBears]

OSHA will require people working with concrete to wear half or full face respirators. Now won't that be a hoot. A bunch of construction workers wearing those things and they must be clean shaven too. Right, I can see that happening right now. (NOT) It will play out and we will do the same thing we have been doing for 15 years. Wet cutting concrete. The water keeps the dust down if you use it correctly. We will also keep running a water truck all over the site wetting roads and other areas so there is no dust flying to breathe. Gee, I didn't read anything in the proposed standard that mentioned the road dust. Maybe we can quit doing that. Those IH people must not think it is necessary. Dem. admin.'s always cause these things. Rush to pass something before they acctually do a proper study. Remember the rush to pass the ergo standard? It was terrible. Not thought out, planned and it would have cost general industry BILLIONS to comply. And it would still not have stopped the problem. Since it was taken down, more companies have done more studies and attacked the problem than ever. It is working too.

It's a peculiar mindset, very myopic. It's like when I went to the American Association of Museums conference and there was a presentation on a major museum building (which shall go unnamed as I may want to work there someday :D). They were proudly talking about it's LEED certification and all sorts of things they did to make the building "green". For example, the roof was covered with plantings, and the building was cooled with open windows. Question and answer time came up, and 50% of us, me included, ran to the microphones. First question: "How do you intend to mitigate vector incursion?" (Keep the bugs out.) Because...this is a natural history collection?" The response....*cricket* *cricket*... Then we all sat back down since we all had the same question. Appalled! There's a little problem, let's work on it...better yet

http://i44.tinypic.com/2lm5rp2.jpg

For some reason, some folks can't troubleshoot. It's all interconnected. Is the idea of a system not taught in school anymore? Simple cause and effect? *sigh*

[Gatordog]

Nope, but the difference is we dug ourselves out without screaming bloody murder and blaming everyone. Now there were several hundred families that would have loved to have one of the trailers. they had lost everything and had no where to live. Shoot, they would have been smart enough to understand that the units needed to be aired out before occupied.

On Katrina, why in the ding dong devil do you live in a city that is below sea level? Most of the damage was done when the dikes failed. When your home sits below sea level wouldn't it make sense to have flood insurance? If you have a home loan here if you live within so far of a flood zone you are forced to have it.

Deacon, you're right. I remember being awake and watching CNN at about 1 a.m. the day after Katrina hit. A person from a hospital had called in to say that the hospital was being flooded due to levee breaks. All hell broke lose after that in NO. How they did not have flood insurance is beyond me because if you are not in a flood zone and it isn't required, it's not that expensive. Why it wasn't required is another question. I bet they paid more for one fancy dinner than they would for the insurance. After Faye, I bought flood insurance. The people who lost their homes in Mississippi and Alabama, that was surge due to the hurricane winds.

[Gatordog]

Regarding the missing boy in Idaho - who the heck let's a nine year old go out at 9:30 pm? Something stinks again here. So much abuse reported with so many involved. I feel so sick for these poor kids. I thank my parents for always wanting to know where I was, who I would be with and never making me walk home by myself.

[Gatordog]

Our Nawny received sad news today. Her sister died after a battle with cancer and then a stroke. She is at peace now. I am sorry for your loss Nawny. :rose: Nawny is taking it well since her sister had been comatose for a long time and is no longer suffering.

Gator

[deacon]

It's a peculiar mindset, very myopic. It's like when I went to the American Association of Museums conference and there was a presentation on a major museum building (which shall go unnamed as I may want to work there someday :D). They were proudly talking about it's LEED certification and all sorts of things they did to make the building "green". For example, the roof was covered with plantings, and the building was cooled with open windows. Question and answer time came up, and 50% of us, me included, ran to the microphones. First question: "How do you intend to mitigate vector incursion?" (Keep the bugs out.) Because...this is a natural history collection?" The response....*cricket* *cricket*... Then we all sat back down since we all had the same question. Appalled! There's a little problem, let's work on it...better yet

http://i44.tinypic.com/2lm5rp2.jpg

For some reason, some folks can't troubleshoot. It's all interconnected. Is the idea of a system not taught in school anymore? Simple cause and effect? *sigh*

Oh there is a system alright. The system that tells some people that they must come up with something new so they can be recognized. Like the "publish or perish" philosophy that is so important in universities. Either you publish studies and papers or you don't work there anymore.

[deacon]

Our Nawny received sad news today. Her sister died after a battle with cancer and then a stroke. She is at peace now. I am sorry for your loss Nawny. :rose: Nawny is taking it well since her sister had been comatose for a long time and is no longer suffering.

Gator

My friend, you and your family are in my prayers.

[BeastofBears]

Oh, Nawny, I'm sorry! If she's been so sick, I'm sure she likes her new "room," but that doesn't always help, does it?

http://i30.tinypic.com/21aydfr.jpg

[beemer]

Nawny i am so sorry to hear of your sister's passing:rose: My thoughts are with you and your family. I am glad she is at peace now:rose:

[lighthousedazy]

Our Nawny received sad news today. Her sister died after a battle with cancer and then a stroke. She is at peace now. I am sorry for your loss Nawny. :rose: Nawny is taking it well since her sister had been comatose for a long time and is no longer suffering.

GatorNawny, I am sorry for your loss. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. :rose:

[Amy]

Our Nawny received sad news today. Her sister died after a battle with cancer and then a stroke. She is at peace now. I am sorry for your loss Nawny. :rose: Nawny is taking it well since her sister had been comatose for a long time and is no longer suffering.

Gator

Prayers for Nawny and her family. :rose::rose::rose:

[SaraSidle]

Oh Nawny I am so very sorry. My prayers and thoughts are with you.
sara :rose:

[Marian Paroo]

Sorry on your loss, Nawny :rose: