I couldn't resist...

[samanthajane13]

I know I'm bad.

I saw it and had to share.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/samanthajane13/stuff/political-pictures-simpson-vegas.jpg

[FDInLaw]

I know I shouldn't be laughing. . . but I am lol! :biggrin:

[weezer]

:D I bet the accommodations are at least as good as the 'seedy hotel room' the defense lawyers kept referring to :eek:

[Mac]

Now all the citizens of Nevada get to pay to give him medical, meals ,lodging, etc. Unless he happens to get into the prison population. G-D forbid!


By the way...that picture was funny, I don't care who you are!!!

[martin II]

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/mc71111/PH2008120501928.jpg

looking at the defense

[William Anthony]

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/mc71111/PH2008120501928.jpg

looking at the defense

Judge Judie Glass at her finest. :)

[tv]

Judge Judie Glass at her finest. :)

You really have a personal problem with Judge Glass...hmm...

[William Anthony]

You really have a personal problem with Judge Glass...hmm...

Nothing personal-don't know her and I do have a problem with male judges that act in that manner. Judge Joe Brown sometimes has his moments but his comments are usually more humorous. I think that both Judge Judies play to the camera.

[Kayleighjo]

Judge Judie Glass at her finest. :)

I think I've figured out martin's main problem with this case though-he's alot like O.J. and couldn't stand the fact that a WOMAN was actually dictating to the Juice.

[tv]

Nothing personal-don't know her and I do have a problem with male judges that act in that manner. Judge Joe Brown sometimes has his moments but his comments are usually more humorous. I think that both Judge Judies play to the camera.

I didn't see Judge Jackie Glass act in any manner. What exactly did she do that you don't approve of?

[tv]

I think I've figured out martin's main problem with this case though-he's alot like O.J. and couldn't stand the fact that a WOMAN was actually dictating to the Juice.

Exactly, and a white woman at that.

[William Anthony]

I didn't see Judge Jackie Glass act in any manner. What exactly did she do that you don't approve of?

I think it was blatantly obvious the way she acted toward the defense. I think, IIRC, that Galanter said at some point that he was afraid her actions would be imparted to his client.

[William Anthony]

I think I've figured out martin's main problem with this case though-he's alot like O.J. and couldn't stand the fact that a WOMAN was actually dictating to the Juice.

I think Martin is old enough to know that you women will try that all the time.:)
I always tell women with whom I am in a relationship that the can run two things-their shoes over (well, I guess that negates a relationship with one) and their mouths. This is all just a joke but I do tell them that. :) I don't like that competition thing. :)

[martin II]

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/mc71111/PH2008120501928.jpg

looking at the defense

Sit down Galanter i don't give a S*** what you want to say.

[tv]

I think it was blatantly obvious the way she acted toward the defense. I think, IIRC, that Galanter said at some point that he was afraid her actions would be imparted to his client.

Of course Gallanter said that. It was so he could go back at a later date and accuse her of misconduct. I've come to believe that Gallanter isn't the brightest crayon in the box because of some of the things he focused on during the trial.

What are some specific examples of impropriety from her toward the defense? I'd seriously like to know.

[tv]

I think Martin is old enough to know that you women will try that all the time.:)
I always tell women with whom I am in a relationship that the can run two things-their shoes over (well, I guess that negates a relationship with one) and their mouths. This is all just a joke but I do tell them that. :) I don't like that competition thing. :)Does Ms Chi know about these relationships? :eek:

[martin II]

I think Martin is old enough to know that you women will try that all the time.:)
I always tell women with whom I am in a relationship that the can run two things-their shoes over (well, I guess that negates a relationship with one) and their mouths. This is all just a joke but I do tell them that. :) I don't like that competition thing. :)

Martin is wise enough to recognize a bitter dog looser when he sees one and knows that he likes the variety of the chocolate ones.

[William Anthony]

Of course Gallanter said that. It was so he could go back at a later date and accuse her of misconduct. I've come to believe that Gallanter isn't the brightest crayon in the box because of some of the things he focused on during the trial.

What are some specific examples of impropriety from her toward the defense? I'd seriously like to know.

I did not tape this trial and don't have the transcripts but did watch and saw her demeanor when interacting with the defense and, specifically, yelling to Galanter to sit down.

[martin II]

of course gallanter said that. It was so he could go back at a later date and accuse her of misconduct. I've come to believe that gallanter isn't the brightest crayon in the box because of some of the things he focused on during the trial.

What are some specific examples of impropriety from her toward the defense? I'd seriously like to know.

baiting

[William Anthony]

Does Ms Chi know about these relationships? :eek:

I was very much a man when I met her and told her that I was slightly used but still in very good condition. We married. Does your wonderful husband know about your strolls on the NC beaches?

[tv]

I did not tape this trial and don't have the transcripts but did watch and saw her demeanor when interacting with the defense and, specifically, yelling to Galanter to sit down.

Judge Ito yelled at the prosecution in the criminal trial all the time and even attempted to humilate Chris Darden at one point which was very uncomfortable to watch. Not only that -- he allowed the trial within a trial to turn the whole thing into a three-ring circus. I haven't seen you complain about him. Oh, that's right -- Simpson was aquitted in that trial. :rolleyes:

[Kayleighjo]

Martin is wise enough to recognize a bitter dog looser when he sees one and knows that he likes the variety of the chocolate ones.

What's a "looser"?:eek::D

[tv]

I was very much a man when I met her and told her that I was slightly used but still in very good condition. We married. Does your wonderful husband know about your strolls on the NC beaches?Unless early Alzheimers has set in, considering my strolls were with him, I would imagine he remembers them well.

[Kayleighjo]

Judge Ito yelled at the prosecution in the criminal trial all the time and even attempted to humilate Chris Darden at one point which was very uncomfortable to watch. Not only that -- he allowed the trial within a trial to turn the whole thing into a three-ring circus. I haven't seen you complain about him. Oh, that's right -- Simpson was aquitted in that trial. :rolleyes:

:beer:

[William Anthony]

Judge Ito yelled at the prosecution in the criminal trial all the time and even attempted to humilate Chris Darden at one point which was very uncomfortable to watch. Not only that -- he allowed the trial within a trial to turn the whole thing into a three-ring circus. I haven't seen you complain about him. Oh, that's right -- Simpson was aquitted in that trial. :rolleyes:

Ito was stern with both sides, imho. Darden brought that on himself, if we are talking about the same incident.

[William Anthony]

Unless early Alzheimers has set in, considering my strolls were with him, I would imagine he remembers them well.

I talking about the ones you did not tell him about. You know when you had to carry that stick. Was he not there to run them off?:)

[martin II]

I did not tape this trial and don't have the transcripts but did watch and saw her demeanor when interacting with the defense and, specifically, yelling to Galanter to sit down.

The Washington Post put the above picture at the top of a story to show her negative demeanor towards the defense.

[tv]

Ito was stern with both sides, imho. Darden brought that on himself, if we are talking about the same incident.
No, Darden did not bring that on himself. He interrupted Johnny Cochran during a side bar and was still talking when Judge Ito told him to be quiet. Judge Ito told him he had to apologize to the court and he fined the DA's office. What a display of monumental ego that only served to undermine the prosecution's image.

[tv]

I talking about the ones you did not tell him about. You know when you had to carry that stick. Was he not there to run them off?:)That was only a joke as I thought you realized at the time. I've never hit threatened or hit anyone with a stick. I'm surprised you'd think such a thing of me.

[William Anthony]

No, Darden did not bring that on himself. He interrupted Johnny Cochran during a side bar and was still talking when Judge Ito told him to be quiet. Judge Ito told him he had to apologize to the court and he fined the DA's office. What a display of monumental ego that only served to undermine the prosecution's image.

He did more than that. I do not think the jury was present when Darden stood there pouting and Clark tried to intervene. :)

[Kayleighjo]

No, Darden did not bring that on himself. He interrupted Johnny Cochran during a side bar and was still talking when Judge Ito told him to be quiet. Judge Ito told him he had to apologize to the court and he fined the DA's office. What a display of monumental ego that only served to undermine the prosecution's image.

It wasn't even that he interrupted Cochran. Ito made a rule that only one attorney was allowed to speak at sidebar. It was Clark that was supposed to do the talking and when Darden spoke Ito was pissed. I agreed with Darden. Cochran shouldn't have been saying what he said either-"they obviously don't know how to try a case" or something to that effect, which was what made Darden angry in the first place.

[martin II]

I talking about the ones you did not tell him about. You know when you had to carry that stick. Was he not there to run them off?:)

Kinda like heavily used and banged up.

[Kayleighjo]

He did more than that. I do not think the jury was present when Darden stood there pouting and Clark tried to intervene. :)

You saw that as pouting? Really? Did you see it as inappropriate when Cochran said in the presence of the jury that the prosecution obviously didn't know how to try a case?

[William Anthony]

That was only a joke as I thought you realized at the time. I've never hit threatened or hit anyone with a stick. I'm surprised you'd think such a thing of me.

I would not put it pass you and would like a recent picture of you so I will know when I am in danger. :) He was your first, your last, your everything....:)

[William Anthony]

It wasn't even that he interrupted Cochran. Ito made a rule that only one attorney was allowed to speak at sidebar. It was Clark that was supposed to do the talking and when Darden spoke Ito was pissed. I agreed with Darden. Cochran shouldn't have been saying what he said either-"they obviously don't know how to try a case" or something to that effect, which was what made Darden angry in the first place.

The proof is in the pudding. :)

[William Anthony]

You saw that as pouting? Really? Did you see it as inappropriate when Cochran said in the presence of the jury that the prosecution obviously didn't know how to try a case?

I saw it as him representing the truth and an offer to assist. :)

[Kayleighjo]

I saw it as him representing the truth and an offer to assist. :)

That's pretty sad and disappointing. But at least I'm learning that you'll never admit anything negative toward any defense counsel of Simpson. Your bias shows heavily.

[William Anthony]

Kinda like heavily used and banged up.

Well I might have underestimated my experiences a tad bit but I was still in very good shape. :)

[weezer]

Martin is wise enough to recognize a bitter dog looser when he sees one and knows that he likes the variety of the chocolate ones.

does every dadgum post of yours has to be so hateful? :flamemad:

[William Anthony]

That's pretty sad and disappointing. But at least I'm learning that you'll never admit anything negative toward any defense counsel of Simpson. Your bias shows heavily.

I don't know why it disappoints you. All of the lawyers took their shots at each other. It is a tactic used to rattle the opponent. The judge on the other hand should maintain an air of impartiality. Objections are placed tactically to interrupt the flow. This was just another tactic and, if it rattled Darden, then he did not know how to try a case.

[Kayleighjo]

does every dadgum post of yours has to be so hateful? :flamemad:

Let's give credit where credit is due though-our martin is obviously super wise enough to recognize a bitter dog "looser"!

[Kayleighjo]

I don't know why it disappoints you. All of the lawyers took their shots at each other. It is a tactic used to rattle the opponent. The judge on the other hand should maintain an air of impartiality. Objections are placed tactically to interrupt the flow. This was just another tactic and, if it rattled Darden, then he did not know how to try a case.

It wasn't an objection.

[tv]

He did more than that. I do not think the jury was present when Darden stood there pouting and Clark tried to intervene. :)What difference does it make whether or not the jury was present. It's well known that they received all kinds of information during their conjugal visits. They knew about it.

[tv]

It wasn't an objection.I've tried to talk to William about this before and he always acts like he doesn't remember the incident or misunderstood what happened. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

It wasn't an objection.

No, objections are used as tactics just as JC's comment was.

[tv]

No, objections are used as tactics just as JC's comment was.It was a sidebar. It wasn't part of the trial strategy on either side.

[William Anthony]

What difference does it make whether or not the jury was present. It's well known that they received all kinds of information during their conjugal visits. They knew about it.

I'd be upset, if during a conjugal visit, someone said to me let me tell you what happened in court. This is one situation in which I rather hear curse words. :)

[William Anthony]

It was a sidebar. It wasn't part of the trial strategy on either side.

You think that they forget the strategies when they go to side bar? I wouldn't want them as my lawyer.

[tv]

I'd be upset, if during a conjugal visit, someone said to me let me tell you what happened in court. This is one situation in which I rather hear curse words. :)We can't always have what we want but in this case I think the jury wanted all the information they could get.

[tv]

You think that they forget the strategies when they go to side bar? I wouldn't want them as my lawyer.I don't think Judge Ito forgot his strategy at sidebar. What he did to Chris Darden was calculated.

[William Anthony]

We can't always have what we want but in this case I think the jury wanted all the information they could get.

Well, if I was on the jury, I would have told her, I'll hear about when I get home and, if I was coming to give a conjugal visit to a juror and they asked me about the trial, I would have left, saying two's company and three's a crowd. :)

[William Anthony]

I don't think Judge Ito forgot his strategy at sidebar. What he did to Chris Darden was calculated.

I don't think Ito had a strategy other than getting the case over with as soon as possible and just got tired of professionals acting like amateurs.

[tv]

Well, if I was on the jury, I would have told her, I'll hear about when I get home and, if I was coming to give a conjugal visit to a juror and they asked me about the trial, I would have left, saying two's company and three's a crowd. :)

I stand corrected, William. You're an oak. :)

[tv]

I don't think Ito had a strategy other than getting the case over with as soon as possible and just got tired of professionals acting like amateurs.

He loved the trial dragging on while he basked in the spotlight. Let's not forget the dancing Itos that he was so delighted with. The man's ego was a detriment to the trial.

[William Anthony]

I stand corrected, William. You're an oak. :)

When it comes to some things. My hypocrisy goes but so far. :)

[tv]

I would not put it pass you and would like a recent picture of you so I will know when I am in danger. :) He was your first, your last, your everything....:)

I doubt you'll ever be in danger from me. Your identity is so closely guarded you don't even reveal what state you live in. You'll just have to use your imagaination about how I look. You'll know me by the big stick. :)

[William Anthony]

He loved the trial dragging on while he basked in the spotlight. Let's not forget the dancing Itos that he was so delighted with. The man's ego was a detriment to the trial.

I think he was showing that he could make fun of himself and the trial dragged on by the prosecution putting on experts that took days to say nothing, imho. I forget the comparison of the defense's case in the amount of time as with the prosecution's-9 weeks to 9 months?

[William Anthony]

I doubt you'll ever be in danger from me. Your identity is so closely guarded you don't even reveal what state you live in. You'll just have to use your imagaination about how I look. You'll know me by the big stick. :)

Darn it. Now, I''ll constantly have to watch my back.:)

[martin II]

He did more than that. I do not think the jury was present when Darden stood there pouting and Clark tried to intervene. :)

At one point in the trial Darden complained that he was tired of Johnny treating him like he was his daddy. that told me that Darden knew he was overmatched and that the courtroom belonged to Cochran.

[tv]

When it comes to some things. My hypocrisy goes but so far. :)

Touche. :)

[martin II]

Well I might have underestimated my experiences a tad bit but I was still in very good shape. :)

The post was about someone else not you.

[William Anthony]

The post was about someone else not you.

Oh h***, you made me tell on myself. :)

[William Anthony]

Touche. :)

I see that you are a fan of the movie, too. There are a lot of subplots in that movie.

[martin II]

Oh h***, you made me tell on myself. :)

I think if you were available they would be in line.

[William Anthony]

I think if you were available they would be in line.

No, I think their interest only extends to friendship and they are wondering why they are my friends. :) Seriously, they are intelligent and they see things differently than we do. I am glad to establish friendships and tvdinner and I have somewhat buried the hatchet, I think.:) I think Kayleighjo just misunderstood me. I feel that you and she will work it out eventually but I might be wrong. :)

[weezer]

Sit down Galanter i don't give a S*** what you want to say.

I think the better caption would be: ". . .and that has what to do with Nevada law?"

[weezer]

I think if you were available they would be in line.

gosh martin -- this sounds like you're interested! ;):):cool:

[tv]

I see that you are a fan of the movie, too. There are a lot of subplots in that movie.

It's one of my favorite movies. :)

[tv]

gosh martin -- this sounds like you're interested! ;):):cool:

Oh no, someone else with a case of the warmies. :eek:

[tv]

No, I think their interest only extends to friendship and they are wondering why they are my friends. :) Seriously, they are intelligent and they see things differently than we do. I am glad to establish friendships and tvdinner and I have somewhat buried the hatchet, I think.:) I think Kayleighjo just misunderstood me. I feel that you and she will work it out eventually but I might be wrong. :)

I'll agree the hatchet is somewhat buried if you'll agree there's a little bit of it still sticking out of the ground. :)

[weezer]

Oh no, someone else with a case of the warmies. :eek:

:eek::biggrin::shrug:

[martin II]

gosh martin -- this sounds like you're interested! ;):):cool:

I have everything i need.
If you have been paying attention you may believe that it is tv that seems to be interested. hahaha

[Kayleighjo]

No, I think their interest only extends to friendship and they are wondering why they are my friends. :) Seriously, they are intelligent and they see things differently than we do. I am glad to establish friendships and tvdinner and I have somewhat buried the hatchet, I think.:) I think Kayleighjo just misunderstood me. I feel that you and she will work it out eventually but I might be wrong. :)

Oh yeah, you're definitely wrong:) martin's never gonna be able to get over himself long enough to make nice with anyone-never mind the fact that I think he's a loser ... or is it a "looser"-I forget:)

[weezer]

I have everything i need.
If you have been paying attention you may believe that it is tv that seems to be interested. hahaha

that certainly isn't the way the posts are coming across. are you sure you're not sitting there harboring some kind of repressed feelings? I'm pretty good at reading people and I think you may need to acknowledge your inner self. hahahaha

[martin II]

gosh martin -- this sounds like you're interested! ;):):cool:

Not everyone goes they way you seem to go.

[William Anthony]

It's one of my favorite movies. :)

I need to get it on DVD.

[martin II]

that certainly isn't the way the posts are coming across. are you sure you're not sitting there harboring some kind of repressed feelings? I'm pretty good at reading people and I think you may need to acknowledge your inner self. hahahaha

What i think is that you may have more personal experience in that area than anyone on this forum.

[tv]

I need to get it on DVD.

Maybe Santa will bring it.

[William Anthony]

I'll agree the hatchet is somewhat buried if you'll agree there's a little bit of it still sticking out of the ground. :)

Agreed but we will work on getting it completely buried. :)

[William Anthony]

Maybe Santa will bring it.

I guess I'll end up buying it, :).

[William Anthony]

Not everyone goes they way you seem to go.

I think she wants you to give her some play.:)

[William Anthony]

Oh yeah, you're definitely wrong:) martin's never gonna be able to get over himself long enough to make nice with anyone-never mind the fact that I think he's a loser ... or is it a "looser"-I forget:)

Just keep on working on it. :)

[tv]

Agreed but we will work on getting it completely buried. :)

Okay, but I think a good start would be for both of us to stop bringing up arguments from the past.

[weezer]

I think she wants you to give her some play.:)

now don't be trying to shove your admirer off on me! :no:

[William Anthony]

Okay, but I think a good start would be for both of us to stop bringing up arguments from the past.

That sounds reasonable. Let's give it a college try.

[William Anthony]

now don't be trying to shove your admirer off on me! :no:

Now, I know you don't understand. He and I admire each other as men with no other attraction. However, I think he has the hots for you. You see how he has been wondering about those toes. :) You can't fight it. There's no hiding place. It's bigger than the both of you., smile

[tv]

That sounds reasonable. Let's give it a college try.

Okay, but that includes fried chicken, sheets, hoods, wnc and weezer, insenstive b*tches and ms chi. Let me know if I've forgotten anything.

[tv]

Now, I know you don't understand. He and I admire each other as men with no other attraction. However, I think he has the hots for you. You see how he has been wondering about those toes. :) You can't fight it. There's no hiding place. It's bigger than the both of you., smile


weezer, you better put your shoes on and run for the hills! :eek:

[weezer]

Now, I know you don't understand. He and I admire each other as men with no other attraction. However, I think he has the hots for you. You see how he has been wondering about those toes. :) You can't fight it. There's no hiding place. It's bigger than the both of you., smile

LOL -- martin and I have a long and dysfunctional relationship -- in fact, it even precludes reincarnation! now, maybe if my toes had been black I might have had a fighting chance but alas, I believe his heart now belongs to you. :tongue:

[tv]

Nope, I'd like to never see any of those things discussed again except for Ms. Chi. We can leave her off the list if you like.

[William Anthony]

weezer, you better put your shoes on and run for the hills! :eek:

We know that you all run to you let us catch you. :)

[William Anthony]

Nope, I'd like to never see any of those things discussed again except for Ms. Chi. We can leave her off the list if you like.

Agreed and I will do likewise.

[tv]

We know that you all run to you let us catch you. :)

Someone's been telling you fairytales again.

[martin II]

Weezer

Most of the posters here, women, have some reserve about what they allow to come out of their mouths, You don't give a S*** what you say and certainly you don't care that people know you will say anything.

[weezer]

Weezer

Most of the posters here, women, have some reserve about what they allow to come out of their mouths, You don't give a S*** what you say and certainly you don't care that people know you will say anything.

funny that you qualified your statement with the word 'women' -- :tongue:

[William Anthony]

Someone's been telling you fairytales again.

One of my favorite lines was, when a woman told me she could not stand me, to tell her to lay down and she would see things differently. :)

[FDInLaw]

Someone's been telling you fairytales again.
ITA. Sometimes we run to get away. . . PERIOD. :cool:

[Kayleighjo]

One of my favorite lines was, when a woman told me she could not stand me, to tell her to lay down and she would see things differently. :)

Oh my GOD-I'm still laughing!:)

[FDInLaw]

So, is the new topic of the thread, what men don't know about women??? :shrug:

We could be here awhile lol. :rolleyes:

[weezer]

So, is the new topic of the thread, what men don't know about women??? :shrug:

We could be here awhile lol. :rolleyes:

ain't that the truth! :tongue:

[tv]

ITA. Sometimes we run to get away. . . PERIOD. :cool:

Truer words were never posted! :D

[William Anthony]

LOL -- martin and I have a long and dysfunctional relationship -- in fact, it even precludes reincarnation! now, maybe if my toes had been black I might have had a fighting chance but alas, I believe his heart now belongs to you. :tongue:

We are men and sometimes love is mistaken for hate. Its a thin line between the two. Martin nor I have the slightest chance to cross it, because of our preferences but the opportunities are limitless for you and he and those toes may turn colors. I think Martin can make that happen. :)

[FDInLaw]

We are men and sometimes love is mistaken for hate. Its a thin line between the two. Martin nor I have the slightest chance to cross it, because of our preferences but the opportunities are limitless for you and he and those toes may turn colors. I think Martin can make that happen. :)
Yuck! . . . :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

This thread is tanking fast. . .

[tv]

We are men and sometimes love is mistaken for hate. Its a thin line between the two. Martin nor I have the slightest chance to cross it, because of our preferences but the opportunities are limitless for you and he and those toes may turn colors. I think Martin can make that happen. :)

Time for me to take a break! :D

[William Anthony]

Oh my GOD-I'm still laughing!:)

Thanks and I hope you meant it but I guess we must change the subject as there is some protestation. I just thought the discussion was comical but let's not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.

[William Anthony]

Time for me to take a break! :D

Yes, I think I'll do some school work for a while.

[weezer]

We are men and sometimes love is mistaken for hate. Its a thin line between the two. Martin nor I have the slightest chance to cross it, because of our preferences but the opportunities are limitless for you and he and those toes may turn colors. I think Martin can make that happen. :)

eeewwwww

[martin II]

Just keep on working on it. :)

I don't think tv is aware of it but considering how protective weezer is of her,
there may be some weezer unusual interest there.imo

[martin II]

Yuck! . . . :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

This thread is tanking fast. . .

It started tanking when the bitter one arrived and is in the sewer now. which is why i am leaving for a while.

[RayStar]

Ito was stern with both sides, imho. Darden brought that on himself, if we are talking about the same incident.
I recall Darden pouting like a baby after Judge Ito yelled at him for his stupid motor mouth running at high speed. Self Inflicted-imo

[weezer]

I recall Darren pouting like a baby after Judge Ito yelled at him for his stupid motor mouth running at high speed. Self Inflicted-imo

who's 'Darren'?

[Kayleighjo]

It started tanking when the bitter one arrived and is in the sewer now. which is why i am leaving for a while.

Awesome-then I'll call the day a success!:beer:

[Kayleighjo]

Thanks and I hope you meant it but I guess we must change the subject as there is some protestation. I just thought the discussion was comical but let's not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.

I did mean it-that was hilarious!

[William Anthony]

I did mean it-that was hilarious!

Personally, I think laughter is the best medicine.

[martin II]

Personally, I think laughter is the best medicine.

Darden reached for fame when he was assigned to the prosecution team listening to M Clarke claim about a mountain of evidence. He was warned not to go against Cochran by one of his friends.

His pouting started as he watched that mountain turn to a very small pile of sand in front of his eyes.imo

[William Anthony]

Darden reached for fame when he was assigned to the prosecution team listening to M Clarke claim about a mountain of evidence. He was warned not to go against Cochran by one of his friends.

His pouting started as he watched that mountain turn to a very small pile of sand in front of his eyes.imo

He should have laughed instead of cried.

[William Anthony]

RayStar,

I don't think you have posted on the thread before yesterday. I wanted to let you know that you are welcome and to pay not attention to those, who would slight you with posts about your typos. Those same ones go about mocking others who make typos and misspellings who have a different opinion than they do, but lash out when others do the same to posters that agree with them. As a matter of fact we have nicknamed her the resident editor. So welcome, again.

[RayStar]

William Anthony thank you so much for your support. I have felt their wrath on another board. Just gotta love spelling policemen. I like this place. Thanks for the welcome.

[William Anthony]

William Anthony thank you so much for your support. I have felt their wrath on another board. Just gotta love spelling policemen. I like this place. Thanks for the welcome.

Off topic, for a moment but it is about your avatar. Is that a picture that symbolized the female worker during World War II? I forget the name they gave her.

[martin II]

William Anthony thank you so much for your support. I have felt their wrath on another board. Just gotta love spelling policemen. I like this place. Thanks for the welcome.

RayStar

Welcome here. I have suggested help for the self appointed spell checker but she has refused wrongly thinking she does not need help.
just ignore it as she herself makes as many typos as anyone.
i like the avatar also.

[Kate Sachel]

William Anthony thank you so much for your support. I have felt their wrath on another board. Just gotta love spelling policemen. I like this place. Thanks for the welcome.

Indeed, welcome to the forum; it is very nice to see some fresh faces arrive.

Please forgive me if you have posted this elsewhere, I have not been on the forum for a week or so and have yet the opportunity to catch up on the discussions, but would you be so kind as to give us your general thoughts on OJ Simpson?

Again, welcome to the forum and I look forward to posting with you.

Kate

[weezer]

William Anthony thank you so much for your support. I have felt their wrath on another board. Just gotta love spelling policemen. I like this place. Thanks for the welcome.

:shrug: :confused:

there's an old saying: it's not love nor money that drives man's desire but the need to edit someone else's work! :D I apologize to the community for my shortcoming in this area. :seeya:

[Kate Sachel]

:shrug: :confused:

there's an old saying: it's not love nor money that drives man's desire but the need to edit someone else's work! :D I apologize to the community for my shortcoming in this area. :seeya:

I'm not certain if your apology was sarcastic, but on the chance that it was not I am left wondering what you are apologizing for. Perhaps, since I have not had the opportunity to catch up yet on the postings I have missed something, but in general there is one individual whose grammar and spelling I see you often correct and considering the manner in which that poster also responds to you I would say that it is fair game.

Kate

[William Anthony]

:shrug: :confused:

there's an old saying: it's not love nor money that drives man's desire but the need to edit someone else's work! :D I apologize to the community for my shortcoming in this area. :seeya:

I think your apology is a step in the right direction. Thanks.

[weezer]

I'm not certain if your apology was sarcastic, but on the chance that it was not I am left wondering what you are apologizing for. Perhaps, since I have not had the opportunity to catch up yet on the postings I have missed something, but in general there is one individual whose grammar and spelling I see you often correct and considering the manner in which that poster also responds to you I would say that it is fair game.

Kate

the apology was sincere --

[Lodi]

Darden reached for fame when he was assigned to the prosecution team listening to M Clarke claim about a mountain of evidence. He was warned not to go against Cochran by one of his friends.

His pouting started as he watched that mountain turn to a very small pile of sand in front of his eyes.imo

I was very much an admirer of OJ until his anger got the best of him. I watched his murder trial and saw a mountain of evidence against him. I heard about the limo driver's long wait and finally seeing OJ emerge from the shadows and enter the house. I heard about how he was seen bleeding on the flight from LA. I heard about him bleeding in his hotel room later and saying he had just cut his hand on a broken glass. I heard about his blood being found at the scene of the murder. I heard about all the blood found on and in his bronco. I heard that all this blood had been planted by LE while he was out of town. I heard that one of the detectives had used the N word before. I saw him trying to get the gloves on his hands over the rubber gloves. I heard that bloody imprints from a certain size and brand of Italian shoes were found at the murder scene and in his Bronco. I heard that he had been seen wearing this brand of shoe when making commentary at NFL football games on TV. I heard that a receipt had been found showing when and where the bloody gloves had been purchased by Nicole.

After the verdict, my thoughts were that it's unfortunate that detectives like Columbo don't actually exist. And of course I felt that decisions of guilt and innocence being left to lay people is a huge flaw in our justice system.

[martin II]

Off topic, for a moment but it is about your avatar. Is that a picture that symbolized the female worker during World War II? I forget the name they gave her.

As a young child i remember a family member working in a Scripto pencil factory that was quickly changed into a bomb factory.Many of the women making bombs were instant heros in the community.

[Kate Sachel]

I was very much an admirer of OJ until his anger got the best of him. I watched his murder trial and saw a mountain of evidence against him. I heard about the limo driver's long wait and finally seeing OJ emerge from the shadows and enter the house. I heard about how he was seen bleeding on the flight from LA. I heard about him bleeding in his hotel room later and saying he had just cut his hand on a broken glass. I heard about his blood being found at the scene of the murder. I heard about all the blood found on and in his bronco. I heard that all this blood had been planted by LE while he was out of town. I heard that one of the detectives had used the N word before. I saw him trying to get the gloves on his hands over the rubber gloves. I heard that bloody imprints from a certain size and brand of Italian shoes were found at the murder scene and in his Bronco. I heard that he had been seen wearing this brand of shoe when making commentary at NFL football games on TV. I heard that a receipt had been found showing when and where the bloody gloves had been purchased by Nicole.

After the verdict, my thoughts were that it's unfortunate that detectives like Columbo don't actually exist. And of course I felt that decisions of guilt and innocence being left to lay people is a huge flaw in our justice system.

Welcome to the forum!

I do agree that the jury structure should be changed.

Kate

[Lodi]

Welcome to the forum!

I do agree that the jury structure should be changed.

Kate

Thanks for the welcome Kate.

[William Anthony]

I was very much an admirer of OJ until his anger got the best of him. I watched his murder trial and saw a mountain of evidence against him. I heard about the limo driver's long wait and finally seeing OJ emerge from the shadows and enter the house. I heard about how he was seen bleeding on the flight from LA. I heard about him bleeding in his hotel room later and saying he had just cut his hand on a broken glass. I heard about his blood being found at the scene of the murder. I heard about all the blood found on and in his bronco. I heard that all this blood had been planted by LE while he was out of town. I heard that one of the detectives had used the N word before. I saw him trying to get the gloves on his hands over the rubber gloves. I heard that bloody imprints from a certain size and brand of Italian shoes were found at the murder scene and in his Bronco. I heard that he had been seen wearing this brand of shoe when making commentary at NFL football games on TV. I heard that a receipt had been found showing when and where the bloody gloves had been purchased by Nicole.

After the verdict, my thoughts were that it's unfortunate that detectives like Columbo don't actually exist. And of course I felt that decisions of guilt and innocence being left to lay people is a huge flaw in our justice system.

Do you have any thoughts on how to change the jury?

[William Anthony]

Thanks for the welcome Kate.

I thought you had posted before but let me welcome you, also.

[martin II]

I was very much an admirer of OJ until his anger got the best of him. I watched his murder trial and saw a mountain of evidence against him. I heard about the limo driver's long wait and finally seeing OJ emerge from the shadows and enter the house. I heard about how he was seen bleeding on the flight from LA. I heard about him bleeding in his hotel room later and saying he had just cut his hand on a broken glass. I heard about his blood being found at the scene of the murder. I heard about all the blood found on and in his bronco. I heard that all this blood had been planted by LE while he was out of town. I heard that one of the detectives had used the N word before. I saw him trying to get the gloves on his hands over the rubber gloves. I heard that bloody imprints from a certain size and brand of Italian shoes were found at the murder scene and in his Bronco. I heard that he had been seen wearing this brand of shoe when making commentary at NFL football games on TV. I heard that a receipt had been found showing when and where the bloody gloves had been purchased by Nicole.

After the verdict, my thoughts were that it's unfortunate that detectives like Columbo don't actually exist. And of course I felt that decisions of guilt and innocence being left to lay people is a huge flaw in our justice system.

I am not sure that all the issues you speak of was proof beyond a reasonable doubt but if the community does not have the opportunity to decide the validity of the prosecutions claims who does?

I welcome you to the forum.

[William Anthony]

Lodi,

The reason I asked for your thoughts on changing the jury system was because I have ambivalent feelings on the issue. This link explains my ambivalence.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Jury+of+one%27s+peers

I am somewhat torn between the significance of science and the desires of communities. I understand that theoretically emotions are not to be a part of a trial but I am not sure that I agree with that and wanted to hear your thoughts.

[Lodi]

Do you have any thoughts on how to change the jury?

Maybe there is no perfect way of deciding who is guilty but I believe that finding a judge or a panel of judges would be better than what we have. The major problem would be to find ones that are wise enough and could be trusted. That would be hard because we would need so many.

As it is now, we depend on 12 people who may all be fools. Luck of the draw.

[Lodi]

I am not sure that all the issues you speak of was proof beyond a reasonable doubt but if the community does not have the opportunity to decide the validity of the prosecutions claims who does?

I welcome you to the forum.

Thank you Martin.

[Kate Sachel]

Maybe there is no perfect way of deciding who is guilty but I believe that finding a judge or a panel of judges would be better than what we have. The major problem would be to find ones that are wise enough and could be trusted. That would be hard because we would need so many.

As it is now, we depend on 12 people who may all be fools. Luck of the draw.

Undoubtedly perfection does not exist; my own personal thought is that we must find a way to ensure that all levels of individuals can respond to their call for duty. Because of financial issues, we find many individuals who are not able to be away from their employment for extended periods of time to serve on a jury in a case that lasts more than one week. Thus, they are excused under hardship circumstances.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Maybe there is no perfect way of deciding who is guilty but I believe that finding a judge or a panel of judges would be better than what we have. The major problem would be to find ones that are wise enough and could be trusted. That would be hard because we would need so many.

As it is now, we depend on 12 people who may all be fools. Luck of the draw.

I understand. My problem is that we may be giving to much power to judges in that they already interpret the law depending on their ideologies. If we have a selected few, who we consider wise, to decide the fate of individuals that are charged with crimes, then we may overlook true democracy, in that jury nullification may not be a bad idea, when a community of individuals decides that in a particular case the verdict should go against the law. I think my ambivalence lies in the interpretation of "we the people and jury of one's peers." I do understand the financial and pragmatic argument for professional jurors. I truly do not know which side I fall on but think that I tend to lean more to the present system.

[weezer]

Maybe there is no perfect way of deciding who is guilty but I believe that finding a judge or a panel of judges would be better than what we have. The major problem would be to find ones that are wise enough and could be trusted. That would be hard because we would need so many.

As it is now, we depend on 12 people who may all be fools. Luck of the draw.

It's too bad the system doesn't have baseline requirements: education level, language proficiency, etc.

[William Anthony]

It's too bad the system doesn't have baseline requirements: education level, language proficiency, etc.

They tried that with Blacks to exclude them from voting and the tests themselves were discriminatory. That may very well increase the problem rather than diminishing it. I mean someone might be excluded, because they misspelled a word or two.

[Kayleighjo]

I understand. My problem is that we may be giving to much power to judges in that they already interpret the law depending on their ideologies. If we have a selected few, who we consider wise, to decide the fate of individuals that are charged with crimes, then we may overlook true democracy, in that jury nullification may not be a bad idea, when a community of individuals decides that in a particular case the verdict should go against the law. I think my ambivalence lies in the interpretation of "we the people and jury of one's peers." I do understand the financial and pragmatic argument for professional jurors. I truly do not know which side I fall on but think that I tend to lean more to the present system.

I don't think I'd go the judge's route either.

[William Anthony]

I don't think I'd go the judge's route either.

I understand. There does seem to something fundamentally unfair in that, whether it is or not.

[Kayleighjo]

I understand. There does seem to something fundamentally unfair in that, whether it is or not.

There's to many arrogant ones out there to give me confidence.

[William Anthony]

There's to many arrogant ones out there to give me confidence.

It is a difficult job just as being a juror is. I just don't know how to side on this issue. I remain torn.:)

[Lodi]

There's to many arrogant ones out there to give me confidence.

Yeah, those don't give me confidence either. I didn't really consider just selecting judges out of the current elected or appointed ones. I think we would need a new selection method. Maybe take potential judges and run them through a battery of tests and mock trials. That would be just a beginning prior to being allowed to serve.

[Lodi]

I have heard for years that eye witnesses are fairly undependable. Sometimes they are right but often they are wrong. Yet, many jurors believe an eye witness is a person to be believed. Their thought is Hey, this guy actually saw them in the act. The verdict...Guilty.

[martin II]

I understand. My problem is that we may be giving to much power to judges in that they already interpret the law depending on their ideologies. If we have a selected few, who we consider wise, to decide the fate of individuals that are charged with crimes, then we may overlook true democracy, in that jury nullification may not be a bad idea, when a community of individuals decides that in a particular case the verdict should go against the law. I think my ambivalence lies in the interpretation of "we the people and jury of one's peers." I do understand the financial and pragmatic argument for professional jurors. I truly do not know which side I fall on but think that I tend to lean more to the present system.

Preventing the media from reporting on any court case until finished may help
since the fools they give us to report on cases and just that fools.
but the public has a right to know?

[William Anthony]

I have heard for years that eye witnesses are fairly undependable. Sometimes they are right but often they are wrong. Yet, many jurors believe an eye witness is a person to be believed. Their thought is Hey, this guy actually saw them in the act. The verdict...Guilty.

That is why effective cross examination is so vital an element of our system, imho.

[martin II]

I have heard for years that eye witnesses are fairly undependable. Sometimes they are right but often they are wrong. Yet, many jurors believe an eye witness is a person to be believed. Their thought is Hey, this guy actually saw them in the act. The verdict...Guilty.

correct
many people also believe police don't lie.

[William Anthony]

Preventing the media from reporting on any court case until finished may help
since the fools they give us to report on cases and just that fools.
but the public has a right to know?

Yes, they play a part. All you had to do was watch Hannity last night and his wanting to implicate the President Elect in the Illinois scandal to see how they try to influence public opinion, even thought the tapes are exculpatory.

[martin II]

They tried that with Blacks to exclude them from voting and the tests themselves were discriminatory. That may very well increase the problem rather than diminishing it. I mean someone might be excluded, because they misspelled a word or two.

If we only have 'EDUCATED' people on juries the 'UNEDUCATED" will have no say in the community?

What is 'educated'

[William Anthony]

If we only have 'EDUCATED' people on juries the 'UNEDUCATED" will have no say in the community?

What is 'educated'

Yes, Martin we recognized her usual snide remark.

[weezer]

Yes, Martin we recognized her usual snide remark.

it wasn't meant as a snide remark. my point was we bash juries for not understanding evidence but there aren't any requirements that they be educated. :shrug:

[Lodi]

If we only have 'EDUCATED' people on juries the 'UNEDUCATED" will have no say in the community?

What is 'educated'

I agree with you. There may be more educated fools than uneducated ones.

[Lodi]

correct
many people also believe police don't lie.

Over the years I have found that many policemen have got their own concept of right and wrong. I once was invited to a party consisting of the local SWAT team. After arriving, I discovered them all smoking grass. I wasn't sure what to do. Was it a test? Would I be arrested by them if I didn't turn them in? I felt uncomfortable but I just excused myself and went home.

[Kate Sachel]

correct
many people also believe police don't lie.

I think most people want to believe that police don't lie. It is difficult to entertain the thought that the very people sworn in to serve and protect us and to uphold the law are the same people who also break it.

Kate

[William Anthony]

it wasn't meant as a snide remark. my point was we bash juries for not understanding evidence but there aren't any requirements that they be educated. :shrug:

What we are you speaking of? IIRC, you are the only one to have bashed a jury, the criminal murder trial jury, calling them uneducated, ignorant and racially biased. Are you now bashing your own conduct? Does that mean that all the juries that rendered verdicts in LA were uneducated? :shrug:

[martin II]

I agree with you. There may be more educated fools than uneducated ones.

correct

[martin II]

it wasn't meant as a snide remark. my point was we bash juries for not understanding evidence but there aren't any requirements that they be educated. :shrug:

You bash jurors because you believe they don't understand evidence.

Is educated a person with a degree from Texas Tech in physics that is biase against a Mexican or Black for not haning a degree?

[FDInLaw]

I think most people want to believe that police don't lie. It is difficult to entertain the thought that the very people sworn in to serve and protect us and to uphold the law are the same people who also break it.

Kate
Hey, in Arkansas we can not afford to wear rose-tinted glasses. It seems like every year some Sheriff is busted for smuggling drugs and/or illegal weapons. When you consider the wage these folks are given, really what can we expect?

I do see your point though. . . most people just don't think about it. There are thousands of well-meaning officers that selflessly give to our society, but there are others that have found it to be the perfect cover for illegal activity.

[martin II]

What we are you speaking of? IIRC, you are the only one to have bashed a jury, the criminal murder trial jury, calling them uneducated, ignorant and racially biased. Are you now bashing your own conduct? Does that mean that all the juries that rendered verdicts in LA were uneducated? :shrug:

It is true that a good prosecutor looks at the jury, understands who is in front of him and then presents a case that matches what he sees as the level the jury is on?

Jury members are asked to bring their regular experiences to the deliberations.
Ordinary common experiences trumps 'EDUCATION"

[martin II]

Hey, in Arkansas we can not afford to wear rose-tinted glasses. It seems like every year some Sheriff is busted for smuggling drugs and/or illegal weapons. When you consider the wage these folks are given, really what can we expect?

I do see your point though. . . most people just don't think about it. There are thousands of well-meaning officers that selflessly give to our society, but there are others that have found it to be the perfect cover for illegal activity.

The bad ones are small in number but some times even the good ones protect the bad ones.

Four cops were involved in holding a hispanic guy down while one rammed a night stick in his rectum. The police investigation reported that the accusation by the victim had no validity.Cops did nothing wrong. Public outcry caused the DA to call a grand jury, one cop decided to tell the grand jury the truth and all three were indicted while the victim was being treated two weeks later in the hospital for the injuries.

Then again i know a friend that spent 30 years on the force retired as a captain and never pulled his gun on duty.

[William Anthony]

It is true that a good prosecutor looks at the jury, understands who is in front of him and then presents a case that matches what he sees as the level the jury is on?

Jury members are asked to bring their regular experiences to the deliberations.
Ordinary common experiences trumps 'EDUCATION"

I believe that the majority of people who watched the DNA evidence did not understand it, despite how educated or uneducated they were, except those in that field. The usual standard is not the educated man's standard but the reasonable man's standard. I just don't like the games people play.
Say what you mean and mean what you say.

[Kate Sachel]

You bash jurors because you believe they don't understand evidence.

Is educated a person with a degree from Texas Tech in physics that is biase against a Mexican or Black for not haning a degree?

By the most standard definition I am considered "educated" because I have a full college degree.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm pointing out what it is generally considered to mean.

I personally don't consider myself more intelligent than an individual who chose not to go to college simply because I did make that choice and have a piece of paper saying such.

One of the most intelligent people I have ever known, and who I consult frequently for advisement is a high school drop-out.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Ordinary common experiences trumps 'EDUCATION"

I would strongly argue that it depends on the circumstance.

Kate

[martin II]

By the most standard definition I am considered "educated" because I have a full college degree.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm pointing out what it is generally considered to mean.

I personally don't consider myself more intelligent than an individual who chose not to go to college simply because I did make that choice and have a piece of paper saying such.

One of the most intelligent people I have ever known, and who I consult frequently for advisement is a high school drop-out.

Kate

After college i continuted my'EDUCATION" and received 1 3/4 advanced degrees from a ivy league institution and thought i was ready and above the level. It was only after my extended travels and work in Africa and Europe
That i became truly aware and able to problem solve.

[William Anthony]

After college i continuted my'EDUCATION" and received 1 3/4 advanced degrees from a ivy league institution and thought i was ready and above the level. It was only after my extended travels and work in Africa and Europe
That i became truly aware and able to problem solve.

I have found that people, who lack manners, compassion, morals, decency, honesty, tolerance and understanding, are the most uneducated people I have met, despite their level of schooling.

[Lodi]

I believe that the majority of people who watched the DNA evidence did not understand it, despite how educated or uneducated they were, except those in that field. The usual standard is not the educated man's standard but the reasonable man's standard. I just don't like the games people play.
Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Do you know much about DNA and specifically the Y-Chromosome? I'm looking for someone that does.

[William Anthony]

Do you know much about DNA and specifically the Y-Chromosome? I'm looking for someone that does.

No, no and no, :). Sorry.

[Kate Sachel]

After college i continuted my'EDUCATION" and received 1 3/4 advanced degrees from a ivy league institution and thought i was ready and above the level. It was only after my extended travels and work in Africa and Europe
That i became truly aware and able to problem solve.

I understand, my only point is that people tend to use the word "educated" in its most standard definition.

I would be interested to hear of your travels and work in Africa and Europe, I believe this may be the first time you have mentioned such. Your experiences must have been wonderful. I have been to Europe probably twenty times already in my life but mostly only because my family traveled their frequently for vacation. I have always wanted to go to Africa but have not done so yet. I will be taking an extended amount of time away from work, more than likely a year or so, and perhaps I will make this one of my options for travel.

Kate

[martin II]

I understand, my only point is that people tend to use the word "educated" in its most standard definition.

I would be interested to hear of your travels and work in Africa and Europe, I believe this may be the first time you have mentioned such. Your experiences must have been wonderful. I have been to Europe probably twenty times already in my life but mostly only because my family traveled their frequently for vacation. I have always wanted to go to Africa but have not done so yet. I will be taking an extended amount of time away from work, more than likely a year or so, and perhaps I will make this one of my options for travel.

Kate

I do not like to brag because experiences are just that experiences.BY my count i have visited 29 foreign countries all in West, East and North africa.I have visited all Western Europe countries. All work and vacation related.

Africa was important because i got to see how history flowed from there to Europe and to America.The origin of things.I spent time in West africa setting
up turn key manufacturing plants and experiencing various religions and cultures.North Africa gave me intense and insighful experiences in Arab cultures selling product on request from Governments.

I lived in Italy, france and Germany off and on where we did some contract manufacturing for various water projects(desalination ) for Africa and the middle east. Other travels in Europe were basically in Financing capitals to support various projects.I spent time in swiss but never liked it because their only love is money.hahaha.

West Africa was and is the most informative and pleasing.
My choices are Ghana, Nigeria So Africa and Italy.I love italy. the art is overwhelming and the people are great.That is before they come to America.

MartinII

[FDInLaw]

I do not like to brag because experiences are just that experiences.BY my count i have visited 29 foreign countries all in West, East and North africa.I have visited all Western Europe countries. All work and vacation related.

Africa was important because i got to see how history flowed from there to Europe and to America.The origin of things.I spent time in West africa setting
up turn key manufacturing plants and experiencing various religions and cultures.North Africa gave me intense and insighful experiences in Arab cultures selling product on request from Governments.

I lived in Italy, france and Germany off and on where we did some contract manufacturing for various water projects(desalination ) for Africa and the middle east. Other travels in Europe were basically in Financing capitals to support various projects.I spent time in swiss but never liked it because their only love is money.hahaha.

West Africa was and is the most informative and pleasing.
My choices are Ghana, Nigeria So Africa and Italy.I love italy. the art is overwhelming and the people are great.That is before they come to America.

MartinII
That's neat. I've lived in Africa and Europe too. :seeya:

[martin II]

That's neat. I've lived in Africa and Europe too. :seeya:

Where in Africa.

[FDInLaw]

Where in Africa.Ghana

[martin II]

Ghana

Accra, Tema or up north?

[FDInLaw]

Accra, Tema or up north?Over by the dam. . . Krobo (sp?) area.

[martin II]

Over by the dam. . . Krobo (sp?) area.

Never been to Krobo but know about lake volta and that small dam at Kpong.