To Kim and Fred Goldman

[abbra]

Dear Kim and Fred,
Always remember " what goes around comes around," and Simpson finally got his. It wasn't the death penalty that he should have gotten but no less I hope he rots in prison. And Fred! I was thinking the same thing about the glove they had Simpson try on.

[William Anthony]

Dear Ms. Kimberly Goldman and Mr. Fred Goldman,

I will not be so presumptuous as some here to think that I may call you by your first name nor will I be so insensitive to think that Simpson's armed robbery conviction should replace the grief you have over the loss of you brother and son, nor will I be so callous as to suggest that I understand your feelings but I do hope that God will intervene in your life and provide you with a peace that will make the remainder of your life as happy as possible. If that peace is seeing
Simpson in the penitentiary, then I hope that ends the suffering you are both undoubtedly enduring.

[utl768]

dear goldmans,

if ur true goal is to see simpson rot in jail id suggest you stop talking as the more u bring up the karma and payback stuff the more fuel you add to the fire that this trial was nothing more then payback for the 95 criminal trial oj was acquitted of

[tv]

dear goldmans,

if ur true goal is to see simpson rot in jail id suggest you stop talking as the more u bring up the karma and payback stuff the more fuel you add to the fire that this trial was nothing more then payback for the 95 criminal trial oj was acquitted of

As much as it pains me to say so I don't totally disagree with this statement.

[William Anthony]

And you might want to use your brain before you post. This message board is also for victims of crime. Or don't they matter to you?

Well Joe,

What you don't know? Of what crime were Ms. Kimberly and Mr. Fred Goldman victims? They were plaintiffs in a tort action, a civil wrong. I think you should think before throwing out insults. In anticipation of what may be your response, if you are able to think about it, the state brings criminal charges to protect society as a whole. That does not make society as a whole victims of crime. It is to protect their interest, or in other words a preventive measure so that they will not become victims of those who have demonstrated the ability to break the law.

[martin II]

Well Joe,

What you don't know? Of what crime were Ms. Kimberly and Mr. Fred Goldman victims? They were plaintiffs in a tort action, a civil wrong. I think you should think before throwing out insults. In anticipation of what may be your response, if you are able to think about it, the state brings criminal charges to protect society as a whole. That does not make society as a whole victims of crime. It is to protect their interest, or in other words a preventive measure so that they will not become victims of those who have demonstrated the ability to break the law.

William

you comments above are a bit too complicated for empty head to understand.

[William Anthony]

Simpson is in prison where he should be. Show the Goldman and Brown families some respect. Or is respect for them something you don't understand?

Well Joe,

What you don't know. To say that Simpson is in prison for an armed robbery and other crimes committed in Nevada does not show any respect to the Goldmans for the loss of thier family member. The payment of the civil award was to make them whole or to compensate them for the loss of their family member. You equate something to something that Mr. Goldman has not. He has openly admitted that Simpson's incarceration does not end the issue. He has also said that the only happiness he can find is in the fact that his efforts to get Simpson to pay the damages might have contributed to the crime. I think that you should respect what he has said or doesn't that mean anything to you. ;):cool:

[martin II]

dear goldmans,

if ur true goal is to see simpson rot in jail id suggest you stop talking as the more u bring up the karma and payback stuff the more fuel you add to the fire that this trial was nothing more then payback for the 95 criminal trial oj was acquitted of

What ever reasoning skills fred may have, goes out the window when a tv camera is in sight. However he is just saying what many think and that is finally oj got his just rewards for the not guilty verdict.imo

[William Anthony]

William

you comments above are a bit too complicated for empty head to understand.

I have tried to share with him some of the things I have learned through education but he seems unwilling to listen and responds with more insults. I am so unfamiliar with Australian culture but I hope he is not the norm. I once had the opportunity to meet an Aborigine but did not realize the person was an
Aborigine because of my ignorance and the light skin color. I did find them to be very nice and cordial.

[tv]

Well Joe,

What you don't know? Of what crime were Ms. Kimberly and Mr. Fred Goldman victims? They were plaintiffs in a tort action, a civil wrong. I think you should think before throwing out insults. In anticipation of what may be your response, if you are able to think about it, the state brings criminal charges to protect society as a whole. That does not make society as a whole victims of crime. It is to protect their interest, or in other words a preventive measure so that they will not become victims of those who have demonstrated the ability to break the law.The Goldmans are considered crime victims because their family member was murdered.

[William Anthony]

The Goldmans are considered crime victims because their family member was murdered.

Not true. They filed a tort action for wrongful death. That's what they were allowed to file. You and others may consider them victims of crime (the poster's original statement). However, that is not the case. There is not doubt that they suffered because of the crime. Unfortunately, they are not recognized as victims of the crime.

[tv]

Not true. They filed a tort action for wrongful death. That's what they were allowed to file. You and others may consider them victims of crime (the poster's original statement). However, that is not the case. There is not doubt that they suffered because of the crime. Unfortunately, they are not recognized as victims of the crime.Society accepts victim's families as crime victims also. I didn't say it was a legal concept.

[William Anthony]

Society accepts victim's families as crime victims also. I didn't say it was a legal concept.

I did not hear the original poster state that society accepted them as victims of crime but I did hear a definitive statement that they were.

[tv]

I did not hear the original poster state that society accepted them as victims of crime but I did hear a definitive statement that they were.

I speak for myself about who I consider to be crime victims.

[weezer]

I speak for myself about who I consider to be crime victims.

both trials were about the deaths of two human beings and both trials had the same defendant on trial and both trials involved the same families. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

both trials were about the deaths of two human beings and both trials had the same defendant on trial and both trials involved the same families. :shrug:

One trial was criminal and one civil.

[William Anthony]

I speak for myself about who I consider to be crime victims.
Oh, I see, you were not attempting to defend what you don't know when you reposted my response to him.

[tv]

Oh, I see, you were not attempting to defend what you don't know when you reposted my response to him.

Families of murdered people are considered to be crime victims. That's a fact.

[William Anthony]

Families of murdered people are considered to be crime victims. That's a fact.

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

[tv]

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

Don't know. :shrug:

[weezer]

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

do you believe that all victims of violent crimes get money? :punch:

[William Anthony]

Don't know. :shrug:

Me either. :)

[William Anthony]

do you believe that all victims of violent crimes get money? :punch:

I believe that those who qualify with the conditions of the Victims of Violent Crimes Act do.

[abbra]

Dear Ms. Kimberly Goldman and Mr. Fred Goldman,

I will not be so presumptuous as some here to think that I may call you by your first name nor will I be so insensitive to think that Simpson's armed robbery conviction should replace the grief you have over the loss of you brother and son, nor will I be so callous as to suggest that I understand your feelings but I do hope that God will intervene in your life and provide you with a peace that will make the remainder of your life as happy as possible. If that peace is seeing
Simpson in the penitentiary, then I hope that ends the suffering you are both undoubtedly enduring.


Dear William, The pain from loss of a loved one never goes away. My 20 year old only daughter, my only child was killed by a drunk driver and left in a ditch to die next to her best friend who was also killed on impact of the car hitting her. My daughters friend was buried on her what was to be wedding day/birthday and my daugther was buried the day after.
The killer got off after only a year in jail for " good behavior." He is now back on my city streets, not even the slightest bit remorseful.
The district attorney and the drunks lawyer plea bargained my daughters life so the drunk only got charge with one sentence of vehicular manslaughter.
I call the Goldmans Kim and Fred for a reason not in disrespect.
The Goldmans and I belong to the same club of grieving families whose bond stands firm, a bond which no other person can understand or feel unless you are in our position. A tragic loss of loved ones rips out pieces of our hearts, leaves us angry, numb or hurting with a void in our lives that can never be filled. Our lives are completely changed from the moment we receive that phone call that any parent or family member dreads.
Fred, Kim and I are victims of violence so horrid that even the passing of time cannot heal us. Whether its a song we hear, a place we are familiar with or anything that reminds us of our departed loved one, it always brings us back to thoughts of those we love.
So I say to you and others and to Kim and Fred... even though this OJ sentence comes late it is not payment for the crime of MURDER OJ committed against the lives of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, Fred Goldmans only son.
It however serves its purpose for the moment because it gets the self centered murderer off the streets and behind bars where he should have been placed a long time ago.
It however is not the appropriate sentence for the Crime of Murder OJ commited against Ron and Nicole so it will always be in both families minds that this murderer got off because justice didn't get served at the murder trial.
This alone cannot bring peace to either family, victims of this heinous murder crime of Ron and Nicole, at the hands of Simpson.
This is only an appeasement.

[abbra]

Not true. They filed a tort action for wrongful death. That's what they were allowed to file. You and others may consider them victims of crime (the poster's original statement). However, that is not the case. There is not doubt that they suffered because of the crime. Unfortunately, they are not recognized as victims of the crime.


What state do you live in. I am a victim of crime! The Goldmans and Browns are Victims of crime. I beg to differ with your statement. I spoke to my nephew who is an attorney, my cousins who are attorneys ( one a DA) and brother who is an attorney who works on Capital Hill and they all refute your statement.

[abbra]

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

In NY they receive monies besides getting the settlements from civil suits.

[William Anthony]

Dear William, The pain from loss of a loved one never goes away. My 20 year old only daughter, my only child was killed by a drunk driver and left in a ditch to die next to her best friend who was also killed on impact of the car hitting her. My daughters friend was buried on her what was to be wedding day/birthday and my daugther was buried the day after.
The killer got off after only a year in jail for " good behavior." He is now back on my city streets, not even the slightest bit remorseful.
The district attorney and the drunks lawyer plea bargained my daughters life so the drunk only got charge with one sentence of vehicular manslaughter.
I call the Goldmans Kim and Fred for a reason not in disrespect.
The Goldmans and I belong to the same club of grieving families whose bond stands firm, a bond which no other person can understand or feel unless you are in our position. A tragic loss of loved ones rips out pieces of our hearts, leaves us angry, numb or hurting with a void in our lives that can never be filled. Our lives are completely changed from the moment we receive that phone call that any parent or family member dreads.
Fred, Kim and I are victims of violence so horrid that even the passing of time cannot heal us. Whether its a song we hear, a place we are familiar with or anything that reminds us of our departed loved one, it always brings us back to thoughts of those we love.
So I say to you and others and to Kim and Fred... even though this OJ sentence comes late it is not payment for the crime of MURDER OJ committed against the lives of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, Fred Goldmans only son.
It however serves its purpose for the moment because it gets the self centered murderer off the streets and behind bars where he should have been placed a long time ago.
It however is not the appropriate sentence for the Crime of Murder OJ commited against Ron and Nicole so it will always be in both families minds that this murderer got off because justice didn't get served at the murder trial.
This alone cannot bring peace to either family, victims of this heinous murder crime of Ron and Nicole, at the hands of Simpson.
This is only an appeasement.

Let me begin by saying that I am deeply sorry for your loss. I too have lost a family member due to an act of violence. My cousin, who was in the prime of his life, was killed by a bullet. The bullet came from the riffle of the father of the husband of a woman my cousin was seeing. It came out that the woman was going with her husband's father as well. My cousin left behind his wife and two small children. However, I do believe that God can grant people peace that will enable them to live on despite their loss, if they have the faith to believe that. I understand why you referred to them by their first name. However, I was raised differently. I may feel and understand a portion of your grief and you may feel and understand a portion of mine but without knowing the closeness of those we lost we can never fully appreciate the emotions that we go through. The reason that I refer to them as Ms. and Mr. has to do with respect. I just hope that they will allow God to bring them peace and the same are my wishes for you.

[William Anthony]

What state do you live in. I am a victim of crime! The Goldmans and Browns are Victims of crime. I beg to differ with your statement. I spoke to my nephew who is an attorney, my cousins who are attorneys ( one a DA) and brother who is an attorney who works on Capital Hill and they all refute your statement.

You are quite correct to ask what state I live in as who is considered a victim of crime and is eligible to receive compensation due to that recognition depends on the state. I think your cousins may have been answering in a general sense and I do not know whether this was enacted retroactively but it seems that family members were not recognized in California until this year.

http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:OWOYsukmof4J:www.boc.ca.gov/docs/meetings/2008/09/18-minutes.pdf+Does+california+law+recognize+survivin g+family+members+as+victim+of+crimes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

[martin II]

abba

A close friend of mine in Seattle Washington was in his car with his wife, one daughter and his only son(all young kids) on their way to the movies.AT the corner from their house a Drunk driving a pickup truck and speeding crashed into them. Killed his wife and his son.Injured his young daughter and broke both of his legs one arm ,some ribs and a collar bone.

We spoke daily when he was in the hospital for about a month.The drunk had a trial and got a year or two. When i finally asked my friend what he was going to do about the drunk, his response was his daughter needed a mother
and he now needed a wife. That he was concentrating of completing that task and forget the drunk as there would be no benefit for him in a long fight or allowing the drunk to be in his future life.
He married a friend of his wife, had two girls, both recently received their PHDs and he has never mentioned the drunk again. He was a professor at a Seatle college until his recent retirement.. He lives a very happy and stress free life and he has a lovely family.

[William Anthony]

What state do you live in. I am a victim of crime! The Goldmans and Browns are Victims of crime. I beg to differ with your statement. I spoke to my nephew who is an attorney, my cousins who are attorneys ( one a DA) and brother who is an attorney who works on Capital Hill and they all refute your statement.

I don't know if you read my posts on me being anal retentive but its true. :) I do not want to argue and truly understand you and in all honesty my post was meant for what you don't know, Joe.:) However, never wanting to be in any way wrong in my response to him, I did some more research and this is what I found.

http://www.aardvarc.org/victim/states/cavic.shtml#comp

"To be eligible for compensation, a person must be a victim of a qualifying crime involving physical injury, threat of physical injury or death. For certain crimes, emotional injury alone is all that needs to be shown. Certain family members or other loved ones who suffer an economic loss resulting from an injury to, or death of, a victim of a crime may also be eligible for compensation."

I think by the wording that California would not consider the Goldmans as victims as what I placed in bold is followed by, " a victim of a crime".

[FDInLaw]

Martin,

Bless your friend, he has shown a great deal of courage. A loss like that is difficult to recover from and it is encouraging to hear of his ability to move on. It gives hope.

The grief associated with wrongful death is excruciating, each individual has to come to terms with it the best they can. IMO, it does not look the same for everyone.

~ FD

[William Anthony]

Martin,

Bless your friend, he has shown a great deal of courage. A loss like that is difficult to recover from and it is encouraging to hear of his ability to move on. It gives hope.

The grief associated with wrongful death is excruciating, each individual has to come to terms with it the best they can. IMO, it does not look the same for everyone.

~ FD

I think you are right and we must pray for all of them.

[martin II]

Martin,

Bless your friend, he has shown a great deal of courage. A loss like that is difficult to recover from and it is encouraging to hear of his ability to move on. It gives hope.

The grief associated with wrongful death is excruciating, each individual has to come to terms with it the best they can. IMO, it does not look the same for everyone.

~ FD

FInLaw
I failed to menttion that my friend is chinese and Budist so he sees things maby from a diferent perspective than some.I have learned a lot from him.
More insight into his character.
He has written a large number of books and he reads a lot.So when he retired he had many book in his library. He said he had made a observations that when people came to his house the number of books seemed to intimidate them and he did not like it. He preferred to be judged not by his books but by who he was.
So he gave all of the books away.

[FDInLaw]

FInLaw
I failed to menttion that my friend is chinese and Budist so he sees things maby from a diferent perspective than some.I have learned a lot from him.
More insight into his character.
He has written a large number of books and he reads a lot.So when he retired he had many book in his library. He said he had made a observations that when people came to his house the number of books seemed to intimidate them and he did not like it. He preferred to be judged not by his books but by who he was.
So he gave all of the books away.Spiritual beliefs do make a world of difference IMO.

[martin II]

Spiritual beliefs do make a world of difference IMO.

I agree a world of differance in how people see things.

[William Anthony]

What a true and honest post. This board is for the discussion of crime and criminals. It is also for those who have been victimised by crime and their families to have their say. I find it bewildering, to say the least, that a man who has been found guilty of crime and sentenced to jail, to continue to be defended. Continually defended, against reason.

Beyond logic.

Well Joe,

What you don't know-I think I have figured it out what you know. The name of the site is Crime Library Message Boards and it is a place to discuss crimes. You do know that. I have posted a link and the statements, showing that you were wrong, imho, as usual, about the Goldmans being "victim of Crime" but that has not stopped you. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you respond with that Australian education thing trying to twist what you originally said. In any event, the word is victimized. No one is defending Simpson that I have seen on the armed robbery charge but it is beyond logic to claim they are because they question whether or not his 14th amendment rights were violated. Perhaps, it is that Australian education thing again.

[Mac]

After reading through the posts.....the one thing we have to realize is that Simpson is a thug....nothing more. The only difference is that he used to be able to run with a football.

[weezer]

Well Joe,

What you don't know-I think I have figured it out what you know. The name of the site is Crime Library Message Boards and it is a place to discuss crimes. You do know that. I have posted a link and the statements, showing that you were wrong, imho, as usual, about the Goldmans being "victim of Crime" but that has not stopped you. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you respond with that Australian education thing trying to twist what you originally said. In any event, the word is victimized. No one is defending Simpson that I have seen on the armed robbery charge but it is beyond logic to claim they are because they question whether or not his 14th amendment rights were violated. Perhaps, it is that Australian education thing again.

why don't you afford other people the same courtesy you demand for yourself? the right to post their opinions -- and misspellings/misstatements :D -- your harrassment of Joseph Bell has become very tiresome and reflects badly on you. :flamemad:

[FDInLaw]

After reading through the posts.....the one thing we have to realize is that Simpson is a thug....nothing more. The only difference is that he used to be able to run with a football. Funny post. . . I like it! :hat:

He is the worst kind of thug. . . the smirky sort that thinks he can get away with anything. Well, he was wrong this time! :biggrin:

[William Anthony]

why don't you afford other people the same courtesy you demand for yourself? the right to post their opinions -- and misspellings/misstatements :D -- your harrassment of Joseph Bell has become very tiresome and reflects badly on you. :flamemad:

If you are feeling slighted, I have some for you and, if you do not want to read them, as they make you tired, then stop. :);):cool:

[weezer]

If you are feeling slighted, I have some for you and, if you do not want to read them, as they make you tired, then stop. :);):cool:

oh I don't feel slighted in the least and I'm not at all tired but your continous harrassment and ridicule of every post Joseph Bell makes is childish and petty. just thought you would care how you're coming across.

[William Anthony]

oh I don't feel slighted in the least and I'm not at all tired but your continous harrassment and ridicule of every post Joseph Bell makes is childish and petty. just thought you would care how you're coming across.

I am not worried in the least bit about how I come across to you. I simply corrected another of his misstatements and, if that upsets you, then so be it.

[weezer]

I am not worried in the least bit about how I come across to you. I simply corrected another of his misstatements and, if that upsets you, then so be it.

Joseph Bell made no misstatement -- you simply felt the need (for whatever reason) to harrass and ridicule him.

psst -- I'm not in the least upset -- I've known all along that you're an *****. :tongue:

[William Anthony]

Joseph Bell made no misstatement -- you simply felt the need (for whatever reason) to harrass and ridicule him.

psst -- I'm not in the least upset -- I've known all along that you're an *****. :tongue:

Oh please, that facade of ignorance does not fit you well. You know the reason. There is no need for me to ridicule him. It is what it is. He made the misstatement. I corrected it and supplied a link (I guess you are referring to his last misstatement). I know you feel that it is harassment, as you did not find anything wrong with his fried chicken remark, and you called Martin and me, boys, called the members of the jury ignorant, uneducated and biases, called me a liar about setting the record straight, about the time when Martin and I reported your vile reprehensible callous unthinking mean spirited and evil post. Whatever the blank is supposed to indicate, let me assure you that I feel proud since it came from you. smile, wink cool.

[weezer]

Oh please, that facade of ignorance does not fit you well. You know the reason. There is no need for me to ridicule him. It is what it is. He made the misstatement. I corrected it and supplied a link (I guess you are referring to his last misstatement). I know you feel that it is harassment, as you did not find anything wrong with his fried chicken remark, called Martin and me, boys, called the members of the jury ignorant, uneducated and biases, called me a liar about setting the record straight, about the time when Martin and I reported your vile reprehensible callous unthinking mean spirited and evil post. Whatever the blank is supposed to indicate, let me assure you that I feel proud since it came from you. smile, wink cool.

like I said. . .

[William Anthony]

like I said. . .

and like I told you. :);):cool:

[abbra]

You are quite correct to ask what state I live in as who is considered a victim of crime and is eligible to receive compensation due to that recognition depends on the state. I think your cousins may have been answering in a general sense and I do not know whether this was enacted retroactively but it seems that family members were not recognized in California until this year.

http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:OWOYsukmof4J:www.boc.ca.gov/docs/meetings/2008/09/18-minutes.pdf+Does+california+law+recognize+survivin g+family+members+as+victim+of+crimes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us


Its quite interesting to know that different states have these differences William. I am sorry for your losses in your family also. Sometimes if we pray for " the peace that passes all understanding," our prayers might not be answered because the Lord has another plan for us which in his good time he will show us. Personally, reading police and autopsy reports that were so horrific I can sympathize with what you and the Goldman and Brown Family have gone through. I can't even start to comprehend the wounds inflicted on your family member and also the Goldman/Brown families. My daughters body parts were spread in the ditch and road but at the time I did not know this and in the ER they had her body covered up to her face so I could not see any injuries but my family knew ,so they tried to protect me but during the funeral viewing my sister told me what my daughters injuries were. Perhaps the state of shock that I was in saved me from having a heart attack or stroke because if my senses werent dulled I am sure I would have collapsed.
Now the heartache and pain is in transition. I am sure that the Goldmans level of grief is in transition mode too. It's part of grief.
Anyway again I am sorry about your losses and I will keep you and your family in my prayers. - Annie

[abbra]

abba

A close friend of mine in Seattle Washington was in his car with his wife, one daughter and his only son(all young kids) on their way to the movies.AT the corner from their house a Drunk driving a pickup truck and speeding crashed into them. Killed his wife and his son.Injured his young daughter and broke both of his legs one arm ,some ribs and a collar bone.

We spoke daily when he was in the hospital for about a month.The drunk had a trial and got a year or two. When i finally asked my friend what he was going to do about the drunk, his response was his daughter needed a mother
and he now needed a wife. That he was concentrating of completing that task and forget the drunk as there would be no benefit for him in a long fight or allowing the drunk to be in his future life.
He married a friend of his wife, had two girls, both recently received their PHDs and he has never mentioned the drunk again. He was a professor at a Seatle college until his recent retirement.. He lives a very happy and stress free life and he has a lovely family.

What wonderful strenght your friend has Martin. Falling back on Faith to get through the bad times, good times and putting his family before himself while trying to get over his tragedy is a miracle. He turned his grieving into something positive. He filled the void in his life that was created when his wife and child were killed. What a wonderful marriage they must have had before his wife and child were taken from him. His successes in life after his losses is a testament to the love he had for his wife and child and he continued on that path in life carrying it over to his new family. He is truely Blessed.
Thankyou for sharing that story Martin.

[William Anthony]

Its quite interesting to know that different states have these differences William. I am sorry for your losses in your family also. Sometimes if we pray for " the peace that passes all understanding," our prayers might not be answered because the Lord has another plan for us which in his good time he will show us. Personally, reading police and autopsy reports that were so horrific I can sympathize with what you and the Goldman and Brown Family have gone through. I can't even start to comprehend the wounds inflicted on your family member and also the Goldman/Brown families. My daughters body parts were spread in the ditch and road but at the time I did not know this and in the ER they had her body covered up to her face so I could not see any injuries but my family knew ,so they tried to protect me but during the funeral viewing my sister told me what my daughters injuries were. Perhaps the state of shock that I was in saved me from having a heart attack or stroke because if my senses werent dulled I am sure I would have collapsed.
Now the heartache and pain is in transition. I am sure that the Goldmans level of grief is in transition mode too. It's part of grief.
Anyway again I am sorry about your losses and I will keep you and your family in my prayers. - Annie

Thank you very much and I could tell that it was from your heart. May God grant peace and love to the world. Yes, that transition period differs for all and it eases with time. Thanks again, and you and your family will be in my prayers.

[martin II]

I am not worried in the least bit about how I come across to you. I simply corrected another of his misstatements and, if that upsets you, then so be it.


JB opened up his original post here defaming a whole country of africans.As if that was not enough he then made a direct racist post about oj and fried chicken which many here defended as a ok remark. Kate was the only guilty poster that called the remark for what it was racist.The others thought it was great.
After that all of JBs comments have gone down and into the tank.

[William Anthony]

JB opened up his original post here defaming a whole country of africans.As if that was not enough he then made a direct racist post about oj and fried chicken which many here defended as a ok remark. Kate was the only guilty poster that called the remark for what it was racist.The others thought it was great.
After that all of JBs comments have gone down and into the tank.

I think you and anyone else here, who reads my posts, know how I feel about what you don't know, Joe and why I feel that way. I am trying to stay within the rules and my recent treaty, so I can only be so specific. :)

[martin II]

What wonderful strenght your friend has Martin. Falling back on Faith to get through the bad times, good times and putting his family before himself while trying to get over his tragedy is a miracle. He turned his grieving into something positive. He filled the void in his life that was created when his wife and child were killed. What a wonderful marriage they must have had before his wife and child were taken from him. His successes in life after his losses is a testament to the love he had for his wife and child and he continued on that path in life carrying it over to his new family. He is truely Blessed.
Thankyou for sharing that story Martin.

I will keep you and your family in my prayers. What i can say from experience is that it gets better every day.

[weezer]

snip*snip*[QUOTE=Big Ben;9144147You got to look at people like me, who aint afraid to get in any of your faces with this stuff. . ."[/QUOTE]

dude, seriously -- you need to double up on your meds. the dose you're taking now ain't working.

idiot! :flamemad:

[Big Ben]

snip*snip*

dude, seriously -- you need to double up on your meds. the dose you're taking now ain't working.

idiot! :flamemad:

Reading goofball pap from you is a double up, believe me! And watch that "idiot" stuff or all our flares will go off, mine included, WEEEEEEEEEEZER!

[martin II]

snip*snip*

dude, seriously -- you need to double up on your meds. the dose you're taking now ain't working.

idiot! :flamemad:

You need to lay off those ups

[weezer]

Reading goofball pap from you is a double up, believe me! And watch that "idiot" stuff or all our flares will go off, mine included, WEEEEEEEEEEZER!

surely you're not threatening me? :no:

[William Anthony]

And so do a lot of other people. Simpson is in jail, he's staying in jail and that's where he belongs.

Wonder why when I mentioned the song silly fool, which I thought was sung by someone with the name Bell, everyone thought I was calling you a silly fool? Could it be all the wrong information you post? Could it be your offensive and uncalled for posts. Could it be that was their opinion? :);):cool:

[William Anthony]

And so do a lot of other people. Simpson is in jail, he's staying in jail and that's where he belongs.

Well Joe,

What you don't know-you make it all too easy for me. :);):cool: I always thought you were a member of that shoeless (sounds like clueless, doesn't it) club. Any insults you agree with are likewise considered by me as a compliment. I would not want for anyone to think that we had a thought that was in any way equal. smile, wink, cool. This is one time I am in favor of inequality, wink, smile, cool.

[martin II]

surely you're not threatening me? :no:

There you go again twisting comments.

[tv]

And so do a lot of other people. Simpson is in jail, he's staying in jail and that's where he belongs.

Hi JB. I checked out the happy snaps which I enjoyed very much as usual. Where are the dancing Itos? Have they gone on vacation now that the excitement is over or are they on tour? :)

[tv]

surely you're not threatening me? :no:

Hmm...a little over the top with the screaming. I've noticed that some of those that dish it out don't take it well when it's dished back. :tongue:

[William Anthony]

Glad you enjoyed them. The Itos have actually been offered a gig in Nevada, touring correctional facilities. At least they'll have one friend there.;)

Well Joe,

you know the rest.

Wonder why you, specifically, were asked the location of some small brainless figurines? Do you believe birds of a feather flock together?

[William Anthony]

why don't you afford other people the same courtesy you demand for yourself? the right to post their opinions -- and misspellings/misstatements :D -- your harrassment of Joseph Bell has become very tiresome and reflects badly on you. :flamemad:

I know that you believe in karma, so I had to ask you some questions. Why were you not tired when JB engaged in name calling? Don't you see that the recent series of responses that you and he are receiving are karma? Don't you see that when someone corrects your friend's misspellings and misstatements as you have done the friends of others that is karma?

[weezer]

I know that you believe in karma, so I had to ask you some questions. Why were you not tired when JB engaged in name calling? Don't you see that the recent series of responses that you and he are receiving are karma? Don't you see that when someone corrects your friend's misspellings and misstatements as you have done the friends of others that is karma?

I'm not wanting to argue with you -- all I am saying is everytime Bell posts -- no matter what it is -- you jump on it with a vengence. recent responses being karma? more like petty, childish attacks. :seeya:

[weezer]

Well Joe,

you know the rest.

Wonder why you, specifically, were asked the location of some small brainless figurines? Do you believe birds of a feather flock together?

another example of your incessant harrassment. :(

[William Anthony]

I'm not wanting to argue with you -- all I am saying is everytime Bell posts -- no matter what it is -- you jump on it with a vengence. recent responses being karma? more like petty, childish attacks. :seeya:

Not wanting to argue with you either. The word, however, is vengeance. He made a misstatement as under California law the Goldmans were not "victims of crime. " You may see it as childish and petty and not want to apply karma to anyone but Simpson and I understand that. I cannot help it that Bell, as you call him, makes so many misstatements. It seems that another poster understood but it seems that you just want to attack me, because your friend was wrong.

[martin II]

I'm not wanting to argue with you -- all I am saying is everytime Bell posts -- no matter what it is -- you jump on it with a vengence. recent responses being karma? more like petty, childish attacks. :seeya:

All you do is argue.

If you are not trying to speak for or protect tv you are doing the same for the racist guy.Are you in charge here by appointment or did you just decide to try to boss others around? get a grip.

[William Anthony]

another example of your incessant harrassment. :(

I asked some questions based on some off topic posts about the dancing Ito's and why he was the one asked and you want to call it and the word is harassment not harrassment. I am not surprised. :);):cool:

[William Anthony]

All you do is argue.

If you are not trying to speak for or protect tv you are doing the same for the racist guy.Are you in charge here by appointment or did you just decide to try to boss others around? get a grip.

Thanks for a well articulated and reasoned, imho, post.

[weezer]

Not wanting to argue with you either. The word, however, is vengeance. He made a misstatement as under California law the Goldmans were not "victims of crime. " You may see it as childish and petty and not want to apply karma to anyone but Simpson and I understand that. I cannot help it that Bell, as you call him, makes so many misstatements. It seems that another poster understood but it seems that you just want to attack me, because your friend was wrong.

thanks for the spelling corrections -- :seeya:

[William Anthony]

thanks for the spelling corrections -- :seeya:

I figured you would appreciate them.:);):cool:

[Kate Sachel]

If I might add my thoughts on this subject;

Grief is a very personal and different experience for each and every individual that has been unfortunate enough to have dealings with it. I have been handed my own personal set of tragedy this year and grief has become the overwhelming storyline in my life.

While I understand that Fred Goldman's actions and continued fight may not be in his best interests regarding his health, I do understand why he continues. It must be difficult to heal a wound when a public figure continues to very publicly mock the very circumstance that took his son from those that loved him.

I fail to see the correlation between Fred's efforts and money. What I do see, in my own personal opinion, is a man that is using the only avenue left available to him to ensure that the man he believes murdered his son is hounded and harassed until the moment he leaves this earth. That avenue happens to be OJ's assets.

At the end of the day, the individual continuing to make adverse choices, criminal choices, and who is currently suffering the greatest is OJ Simpson.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Dear William, The pain from loss of a loved one never goes away. My 20 year old only daughter, my only child was killed by a drunk driver and left in a ditch to die next to her best friend who was also killed on impact of the car hitting her. My daughters friend was buried on her what was to be wedding day/birthday and my daugther was buried the day after.
The killer got off after only a year in jail for " good behavior." He is now back on my city streets, not even the slightest bit remorseful.
The district attorney and the drunks lawyer plea bargained my daughters life so the drunk only got charge with one sentence of vehicular manslaughter.
I call the Goldmans Kim and Fred for a reason not in disrespect.
The Goldmans and I belong to the same club of grieving families whose bond stands firm, a bond which no other person can understand or feel unless you are in our position. A tragic loss of loved ones rips out pieces of our hearts, leaves us angry, numb or hurting with a void in our lives that can never be filled. Our lives are completely changed from the moment we receive that phone call that any parent or family member dreads.
Fred, Kim and I are victims of violence so horrid that even the passing of time cannot heal us. Whether its a song we hear, a place we are familiar with or anything that reminds us of our departed loved one, it always brings us back to thoughts of those we love.
So I say to you and others and to Kim and Fred... even though this OJ sentence comes late it is not payment for the crime of MURDER OJ committed against the lives of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, Fred Goldmans only son.
It however serves its purpose for the moment because it gets the self centered murderer off the streets and behind bars where he should have been placed a long time ago.
It however is not the appropriate sentence for the Crime of Murder OJ commited against Ron and Nicole so it will always be in both families minds that this murderer got off because justice didn't get served at the murder trial.
This alone cannot bring peace to either family, victims of this heinous murder crime of Ron and Nicole, at the hands of Simpson.
This is only an appeasement.

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences with us; this was a wonderful post to read regarding thoughts on grief and how people come to terms in the aftermath of tragedy.

Kate

[martin II]

I asked some questions based on some off topic posts about the dancing Ito's and why he was the one asked and you want to call it and the word is harassment not harrassment. I am not surprised. :);):cool:

You made my point. while weezer looks at post of people that don't agree with her for typos she is making them just as others do.No one here is writing a doc for a PHD. She seems to believe that a typo makes a posters post less important unless it is her typo. That is child like.

[martin II]

thanks for the spelling corrections -- :seeya:


Maby william has given you a hint that you are not perfect and you will stop trying to spell check others post.

[William Anthony]

You made my point. while weezer looks at post of people that don't agree with her for typos she is making them just as others do.No one here is writing a doc for a PHD. She seems to believe that a typo makes a posters post less important unless it is her typo. That is child like.

Karma. :);):cool:

[Kate Sachel]

Does anyone have something of actual value to add to this thread this morning? Something that is perhaps along the lines of the topic of the the thread?

Kate

[William Anthony]

Sometimes discussions veer off topic, as has been admitted and somewhat defended. I think that sometimes it is important for people to express their emotions, especially when they notice inequality and are the recipients thereof. I sincerely hope that posters understand and appreciate that rather common tendency.

[Kate Sachel]

Indeed conversations veer off topic, which I have adamantly defended, but they are civil discussions that are off topic that I adamantly defend, not the garbage that is reeking so awfully right now.

Being part of the problem does nothing to fix the problem, and only makes some look like fools.

Kate

[Kayleighjo]

Maby william has given you a hint that you are not perfect and you will stop trying to spell check others post.

At least we've seen weezer appologize -don't think we've ever seen that from you.

[William Anthony]

Indeed conversations veer off topic, which I have adamantly defended, but they are civil discussions that are off topic that I adamantly defend, not the garbage that is reeking so awfully right now.

Being part of the problem does nothing to fix the problem, and only makes some look like fools.

Kate

You are quite right and, despite continued efforts to stop them, some seem all too persistent to look like fools. I guess that would be Karma. There would not be a problem, if some would not make the type of posts they make and others expect them or allow them to go unchallenged, imho.

[Kate Sachel]

You are quite right and, despite continued efforts to stop them, some seem all too persistent to look like fools. I guess that would be Karma. There would not be a problem, if some would not make the type of posts they make and others expect them or allow them to go unchallenged, imho.

Indeed, I just find it interesting to note that the ones that seem to complain the most are the ones who make posts as equally vile and disrespectful as the ones which they complain of.

All my oh so humble opinion of course.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Indeed, I just find it interesting to note that the ones that seem to complain the most are the ones who make posts as equally vile and disrespectful as the ones which they complain of.

All my oh so humble opinion of course.

Kate

I have complained of the vile and disrespectful posts. However, I have never made the type of vile, disrespectful and mean spirited posts and have never told anyone that I have no respect for them (and this is in no way meant to speak to any poster's remarks to anyone but me). I have reserved the right to respond in kind, when I choose. I don't think my posts can in anyway be seen as equal to those that have been placed on this board that harmed me and my friends. Of course, this is all my so honest opinion.

[tv]

I asked some questions based on some off topic posts about the dancing Ito's and why he was the one asked and you want to call it and the word is harassment not harrassment. I am not surprised. :);):cool:

I've stopped mentioning when you and others go off-topic so please do the same for me. We've gone far afield in the last few days from the thread topics. My question to Joseph Bell was harmless and had no bearing on anything between the two of you. Once again, a mountain is being made out of a mole hill.

[Kate Sachel]

I have complained of the vile and disrespectful posts. However, I have never made the type of vile, disrespectful and mean spirited posts and have never told anyone that I have no respect for them (and this is in no way meant to speak to any poster's remarks to anyone but me). I have reserved the right to respond in kind, when I choose. I don't think my posts can in anyway be seen as equal to those that have been placed on this board that harmed me and my friends. Of course, this is all my so honest opinion.

I also find it interesting that you seem to assume that I am speaking of you.

Kate

[William Anthony]

I've stopped mentioning when you and others go off-topic so please do the same for me. We've gone far afield in the last few days from the thread topics. My question to Joseph Bell was harmless and had no bearing on anything between the two of you. Once again, a mountain is being made out of a mole hill.

I am not making any negative comment about you being off topic or JB. I am not saying that there was harm in your question to JB. I commented on your post, asking JB a question and in response to an accusatory post made to me and that's all there was. :)

[William Anthony]

I also find it interesting that you seem to assume that I am speaking of you.

Kate

Yes, I did because your response quoted my post, so I thought I would clarify my position.

[Kate Sachel]

Yes, I did because your response quoted my post, so I thought I would clarify my position.

Alright; thank you for the clarification.

Kate

[tv]

I am not making any negative comment about you being off topic or JB. I am not saying that there was harm in your question to JB. I commented on your post, asking JB a question and in response to an accusatory post made to me and that's all there was. :)
If you wanted to know why Joseph Bell was asked about the dancing Itos why didn't you ask the person that asked the question who would be me. I would have gladly explained and satisfied your burning curiosity.

[William Anthony]

Alright; thank you for the clarification.

Kate

I am just trying to live by, "The best way to win a war is to not fight one.":)

[William Anthony]

If you wanted to know why Joseph Bell was asked about the dancing Itos why didn't you ask the person that asked the question who would be me. I would have gladly explained and satisfied your burning curiosity.

You seemed to have misunderstood my question. The question was not why you asked him the question but why did he feel that you asked him the question. Sorry, if that was not clear. That inexact language thing, again. :)

[tv]

You seemed to have misunderstood my question. The question was not why you asked him the question but why did he feel that you asked him the question. Sorry, if that was not clear. That inexact language thing, again. :)

For heaven's sake, William. Why would you care?

[William Anthony]

For heaven's sake, William. Why would you care?

I asked the question of him. Why do you care? :)

[abbra]

Please Please! there is so much discord in the world. I don't know what happened to cause hard feelings here but life is too short to argue over personal differences. Everyone can make their own contributions without the annimosity.

All of you are probably the nicest people in person. This is only a message board. Debate should be held in a civil manner. Be tolerant and understanding of each others words. We have some very intellectual minds here on the board. We can be constructive or destructive with our posts. I would rather be constructive and perhaps anyone working on legal cases outside of this board may just come to the board and read our thoughts- which may help them with their cases in a court of law.
Think about it!

[abbra]

If I might add my thoughts on this subject;

Grief is a very personal and different experience for each and every individual that has been unfortunate enough to have dealings with it. I have been handed my own personal set of tragedy this year and grief has become the overwhelming storyline in my life.

While I understand that Fred Goldman's actions and continued fight may not be in his best interests regarding his health, I do understand why he continues. It must be difficult to heal a wound when a public figure continues to very publicly mock the very circumstance that took his son from those that loved him.

I fail to see the correlation between Fred's efforts and money. What I do see, in my own personal opinion, is a man that is using the only avenue left available to him to ensure that the man he believes murdered his son is hounded and harassed until the moment he leaves this earth. That avenue happens to be OJ's assets.

At the end of the day, the individual continuing to make adverse choices, criminal choices, and who is currently suffering the greatest is OJ Simpson.

Kate

Thankyou Kate- What wisdom in your post. It is right on point.- Annie

[FDInLaw]

Please Please! there is so much discord in the world. I don't know what happened to cause hard feelings here but life is too short to argue over personal differences. Everyone can make their own contributions without the annimosity.

All of you are probably the nicest people in person. This is only a message board. Debate should be held in a civil manner. Be tolerant and understanding of each others words. We have some very intellectual minds here on the board. We can be constructive or destructive with our posts. I would rather be constructive and perhaps anyone working on legal cases outside of this board may just come to the board and read our thoughts- which may help them with their cases in a court of law.
Think about it!

Excellent post! :beer:

Often, we all get in the habit of assuming the absolute worst in others that we tend to disagree with. In the end, this is not helpful at all.

[William Anthony]

Please Please! there is so much discord in the world. I don't know what happened to cause hard feelings here but life is too short to argue over personal differences. Everyone can make their own contributions without the annimosity.

All of you are probably the nicest people in person. This is only a message board. Debate should be held in a civil manner. Be tolerant and understanding of each others words. We have some very intellectual minds here on the board. We can be constructive or destructive with our posts. I would rather be constructive and perhaps anyone working on legal cases outside of this board may just come to the board and read our thoughts- which may help them with their cases in a court of law.
Think about it!


This is an excellent post and I have so many thoughts but would rather share them with you in a pm, if that is agreeable.

[tv]

Nah, let him stew. He just wants tickets.;)

You could be right. After all, the little fellows are in high demand. :)

[William Anthony]

You could be right. After all, the little fellows are in high demand. :)

Well Joe, I was just guessing when I called you baby man but it seems tvdinner has let the cat out of the bag and that you are allegedly in high demand. I guess you were able to tickle someone's fancy. You do seem to have a fixation with food. Just so that you know, the women I have dealt with don't care much for watered down potatoes and veggies. They simply prefer meat. I am sure that you can sell your stew to someone. :);):cool: Before anyone goes into a tizzy, I thought about my response before posting it and would not like to think that tvdinner was saying that I had an affinity for little fellows or would in any way pander in them. Thus, I thought that JB must be selling stew, since I think it is quite apparent that I have no interest in those brainless figurines with whom he associates.

[weezer]

Well Joe, I was just guessing when I called you baby man but it seems tvdinner has let the cat out of the bag and that you are allegedly in high demand. I guess you were able to tickle someone's fancy. You do seem to have a fixation with food. Just so that you know, the women I have dealt with don't care much for watered down potatoes and veggies. They simply prefer meat. I am sure that you can sell your stew to someone. :);):cool:

again with the hostility and harassment -- :(

[William Anthony]

again with the hostility and harassment -- :(

Oh, if only you would have waited for my clarification/edit (you know that thing that you have heretofore been so interested in) then you would have seen that I was confused as to what those posts meant and took the higher ground in my response and the ladies with whom I have associated myself with all did the cooking or we went out to eat. So, I was thinking he must be raffling off some stew. I think you should allow for an explanation before you get into a tizzy. I must admit I expected you to think the worse but did not question the other posts. :);):cool: Oh yes, I thought he was a short skinny man. What did you think?

[William Anthony]

again with the hostility and harassment -- :(

You are a quick study. You spelled it right this time. :);):cool:

[tv]

Well Joe, I was just guessing when I called you baby man but it seems tvdinner has let the cat out of the bag and that you are allegedly in high demand. I guess you were able to tickle someone's fancy. You do seem to have a fixation with food. Just so that you know, the women I have dealt with don't care much for watered down potatoes and veggies. They simply prefer meat. I am sure that you can sell your stew to someone. :);):cool: Before anyone goes into a tizzy, I thought about my response before posting it and would not like to think that tvdinner was saying that I had an affinity for little fellows or would in any way pander in them. Thus, I thought that JB must be selling stew, since I think it is quite apparent that I have no interest in those brainless figurines with whom he associates.

William, I don't know where this is coming from or why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into a running joke that Joseph Bell and I have. A joke that has nothing to do with you. Before you say that you were only responding because you were mentioned I'll remind you that you put yourself into the discussion. Not everything that's posted is about you or has hidden meaning referring to you. This is starting to get ridiculous. :mad:

To the rest of the board -- please accept my apology for allowing this to go off-topic and become personal. The discussion of the dancing Itos is over.

[martin II]

again with the hostility and harassment -- :(

Seems you still believe you are the boss of the thread.

[martin II]

William, I don't know where this is coming from or why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into a running joke that Joseph Bell and I have. A joke that has nothing to do with you. Before you say that you were only responding because you were mentioned I'll remind you that you put yourself into the discussion. Not everything that's posted is about you or has hidden meaning referring to you. This is starting to get ridiculous. :mad:

To the rest of the board -- please accept my apology for allowing this to go off-topic and become personal. The discussion of the dancing Itos is over.

it seems to me that if your talk with JB is that personal use pm and not the open thread.

[William Anthony]

William, I don't know where this is coming from or why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into a running joke that Joseph Bell and I have. A joke that has nothing to do with you. Before you say that you were only responding because you were mentioned I'll remind you that you put yourself into the discussion. Not everything that's posted is about you or has hidden meaning referring to you. This is starting to get ridiculous. :mad:

To the rest of the board -- please accept my apology for allowing this to go off-topic and become personal. The discussion of the dancing Itos is over.

That is because every time there is an A & B (Anthony and Bell) conversation, you C the need to inject yourself into it and I just want you to know that you can feel free to C your way out. :);):cool: A asked B a question and U wanted to know why. It gets redundant when U and your cohorts want to put out comments and then call it harassment and/or derailment, when U and your cohorts start them.

[William Anthony]

Because the poster, who started this thread has always been respectful to me and to respect the purpose for what the thread was started, I will no longer answer on this thread anything about offensive, harassment and ridiculous. However, before I do that, let's set the record straight. This was the post by JB that started the decline and it may have been the 5th or 6th post. He was just showing his proclivity to insult those who do not agree with him, and tvdinner, to your credit, you painfully agreed with the poster that prompted this rude and uncivil post but I see JB did not address his negative remarks to you. I will address the ridiculous, offensive and harassment on the in the news thread.

"And you might want to use your brain before you post. This message board is also for victims of crime. Or don't they matter to you?"
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