O.J. Simpson's final chapter: a prison sentence

[samanthajane13]

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch, Ap Special Correspondent – 1 hr 3 mins ago



LAS VEGAS – During his trial for armed robbery and kidnapping, O.J. Simpson once sat in a courthouse hallway musing on what might have been: Before his arrest, he had considered moving to Las Vegas, where he liked the climate and the people he had met.

Now he could spend the rest of his life in Nevada — in prison.

The 61-year-old former football star, actor and TV pitchman will be sentenced Friday along with a co-defendant in a hearing that marks the end of Simpson's journey from fame and fortune to crime and punishment.

Although the case carries mandatory prison time, friend Tom Scotto said Simpson remains hopeful and positive after being convicted in October of all 12 charges that arose from a hotel-room confrontation with two sports-memorabilia dealers.

"He's doing better than I would be in this situation," said Scotto, who visited Simpson in jail and has spoken with him by phone. "He sounds good. He is upbeat. He's looking forward to the sentencing so he can get on with the appeal."

Scotto, who plans to attend the sentencing, spoke from his home in Florida, where he and Simpson became close friends. Simpson moved there after he was acquitted in the 1994 slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman in Los Angeles.

Simpson will spend a minimum of six years in state prison and could be held for life if the judge imposes maximum penalties or decides to run the sentences consecutively.

Court documents filed Tuesday indicate the state Parole and Probation Division has recommended that Simpson and his co-defendant get at least 18 years in prison.

Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, plans to ask Judge Jackie Glass for the minimum sentence. Galanter said he would argue that Simpson has no prior convictions. In ordinary cases, the lack of a prior criminal record weighs heavily at sentencing.

Galanter, who believes that Simpson's jury was punishing him for the Los Angeles murders, said he hopes the judge will not do the same thing.

"If our country has gotten to the point where your acquittals count against you, we have a major problem," said Galanter, who wants to present witnesses at sentencing, notably the two memorabilia dealers who testified that Simpson robbed them.

He said Bruce Fromong and Alfred Beardsley would testify that they don't want Simpson to go to prison, but Galanter was unsure whether the judge will allow them to speak.

As for the usually loquacious Simpson, Galanter said: "O.J. is not going to say a word. Anything he says could affect his appellate rights, and that is his only hope of freedom."

Since his conviction, Simpson has been held in isolation in a 7-by-14-foot jail cell. In state prison, he will remain in solitary confinement because of his celebrity.

Simpson can communicate with visitors using only a live closed-circuit video hookup. His only "contact visits" have been with his lawyers, Galanter and Gabriel Grasso.

Prosecutors have steadfastly refused to comment on the case, which is a hot topic in Las Vegas legal circles.

David Chesnoff, a well-known Las Vegas defense attorney, said he expects Glass to impose neither the minimum nor the maximum sentence.

"Judges in Las Vegas don't usually pile it on," he said. "I don't expect her to max him out."

However, Chesnoff said that Glass, who once denounced Simpson for "ignorance and arrogance," could be expected to lecture him.

"If I were the judge, I would tell him, 'You had a very fortunate experience in your prior contact with the justice system, and you should have gone to India and helped orphans,'" Chesnoff said.

He also predicted co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart would receive a lesser sentence "because he was not the organizer."

The events that brought Simpson to a prison sentence were recounted repeatedly in court.

Simpson traveled to Las Vegas for Scotto's wedding and a weekend of parties at the Palms hotel-casino. But before he could don his tuxedo as best man, Simpson had to take care of business.

He was intent on retrieving remnants of his storied past — pieces of memorabilia from his Hall of Fame football career that he heard were being peddled by dealers across town.

He talked about the plan all day on Sept. 13, 2007, as he met people at the Palms' bar and pool. Some offered to go along. Two of them said later that they brought guns, although Simpson insisted he never saw a gun and never asked anyone to bring one.

The morning after the incident, Simpson told The Associated Press he saw no guns, and he didn't think he had broken any laws.

"It's stolen stuff that's mine. Nobody was roughed up," he said, insisting he had a right to retrieve his plaques and pictures, including a photograph of him with the late FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

The meeting at the Palace Station hotel-casino was arranged by Thomas Riccio, a memorabilia dealer who secretly recorded the confrontation.

Riccio's recording, which netted him $210,000 when he sold it to media outlets, became the key piece of evidence in Simpson's trial. Jurors said they focused on Simpson's booming voice shouting, "Nobody leaves the room."

Riccio was granted immunity from prosecution to testify against Simpson and Stewart. Four other men who went along for the confrontation were initially charged but then given plea deals to testify for the prosecution.

The judge, who will sentence them Tuesday in a separate proceeding, is not required to abide by prosecutors' recommendations.

In the end, jurors said they didn't trust the witnesses and instead relied upon Riccio's recording and surveillance videos to make their decision. Jurors have no say in sentencing, and one of them said she didn't care if Simpson and Stewart went to prison.

"I don't have any ill feelings, and if they walked out tomorrow, so be it," juror Dora Pettit said after convicting Simpson. "I think he's an ordinary man that made a bad decision."


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[wind149]

Even if he gets 6 years that is more time than he spent awaiting trial in 1995 and if the judge runs it consecutively like I hope she does, he is a gonna be sitting in a Nevada prison for life and that suits me and I am sure Fred Goldman is going throw a black party. He might have gotten away with murder, but the Vegas jury did their job and found him guilty and I betcha there won't be any smirk on his face tomorrow, more like tears and I wonder if his sister will throw another one of her hissys??? Didn't work the last time, probably won't this time. He deserves prison time like any other slob who did what he did. He had no intention of buying back what he claimed was stolen from him ,as usual he decided to throw his weight around and thank God, it backfired on him because I truly believe he would have shot those men and they were smart for taping everything. OJ could not deny which was clearly his voice and his threats and his boat was sunk. I look forward to tomorrow, I wonder what time the sentencing will commence?? Every network is gonna carry it and all the talking heads will be blathering, should be a fun day@!!!

[William Anthony]

Even if he gets 6 years that is more time than he spent awaiting trial in 1995 and if the judge runs it consecutively like I hope she does, he is a gonna be sitting in a Nevada prison for life and that suits me and I am sure Fred Goldman is going throw a black party. He might have gotten away with murder, but the Vegas jury did their job and found him guilty and I betcha there won't be any smirk on his face tomorrow, more like tears and I wonder if his sister will throw another one of her hissys??? Didn't work the last time, probably won't this time. He deserves prison time like any other slob who did what he did. He had no intention of buying back what he claimed was stolen from him ,as usual he decided to throw his weight around and thank God, it backfired on him because I truly believe he would have shot those men and they were smart for taping everything. OJ could not deny which was clearly his voice and his threats and his boat was sunk. I look forward to tomorrow, I wonder what time the sentencing will commence?? Every network is gonna carry it and all the talking heads will be blathering, should be a fun day@!!!

WTH is a black party and why would anyone buy back what they feel was stolen from them and since no one knew that it was being taped why do you think he would have shot them with all those witnesses, or do you think he would have shot all of them or are you just talking to be talking?

[martin II]

Even if he gets 6 years that is more time than he spent awaiting trial in 1995 and if the judge runs it consecutively like I hope she does, he is a gonna be sitting in a Nevada prison for life and that suits me and I am sure Fred Goldman is going throw a black party. He might have gotten away with murder, but the Vegas jury did their job and found him guilty and I betcha there won't be any smirk on his face tomorrow, more like tears and I wonder if his sister will throw another one of her hissys??? Didn't work the last time, probably won't this time. He deserves prison time like any other slob who did what he did. He had no intention of buying back what he claimed was stolen from him ,as usual he decided to throw his weight around and thank God, it backfired on him because I truly believe he would have shot those men and they were smart for taping everything. OJ could not deny which was clearly his voice and his threats and his boat was sunk. I look forward to tomorrow, I wonder what time the sentencing will commence?? Every network is gonna carry it and all the talking heads will be blathering, should be a fun day@!!!


Did oj have a gun in the hotel room that would have allowed him to shoot someone?

[William Anthony]

Did oj have a gun in the hotel room that would have allowed him to shoot someone?

Did I miss something? Was Mr. Fred Goldman in the hotel room?

[William Anthony]

Even if he gets 6 years that is more time than he spent awaiting trial in 1995 and if the judge runs it consecutively like I hope she does, he is a gonna be sitting in a Nevada prison for life and that suits me and I am sure Fred Goldman is going throw a black party. He might have gotten away with murder, but the Vegas jury did their job and found him guilty and I betcha there won't be any smirk on his face tomorrow, more like tears and I wonder if his sister will throw another one of her hissys??? Didn't work the last time, probably won't this time. He deserves prison time like any other slob who did what he did. He had no intention of buying back what he claimed was stolen from him ,as usual he decided to throw his weight around and thank God, it backfired on him because I truly believe he would have shot those men and they were smart for taping everything. OJ could not deny which was clearly his voice and his threats and his boat was sunk. I look forward to tomorrow, I wonder what time the sentencing will commence?? Every network is gonna carry it and all the talking heads will be blathering, should be a fun day@!!!

Let me play devil's advocate for a moment. Your post seems to speak of a sense of entitlement that Simpson was claimed to have had by many posters. Let's go back to the incidents of spousal abuse that were reported to LE. Do you think LE should have handled him more harshly? Do you think that LE should have been more thorough in the investigation of the murder charges? Do you think that LE should have investigated Riccio's report? Do you think LE's inaction contributed to his alleged sense of entitlement? Do you think Simpson would have acted differently had LE been harsher? Do you think that anything should be done about LE's failures?

[wind149]

Am I missing something here? Did his enforcers have guns or not? I clearly heard on CNN the angry words he was spewing. He is facing some major time and would not be had he just agreed to buy his stuff back and let it go, but being the egomaniac that he is, he brought what I would call thugs and those men were held against their will, hence the kidnapping charges. I know you guys have empathy for him and you are certainly entitled to do so, and I loathe him so we are not ever gonna agree. My point is if "Hector Sanchez" had committed the same crimes, he would be going away for a long time and what makes this loser special? You do the crime, you have to do the time and tomorrow he will be held accountable and forfeit his freedom like every other person has to when they are convicted of a serious crime and it is his own fault. My take is this stuff meant so much to him, why did he have it up for sale? I have a watch that is worth a few bucks, but it belonged to my biological mother who I never met, she died in 2001 and my sister thought that I should have it and I would never part with it because of the meaning behind it, it is a part of her and if this stuff was so special, then why did he sell it? Especially the suit he wore to court the day he slithered out of murder charges, who in their right mind would want that? To me it is as bad as collecting stuff from serial killers. I admit I did not watch the trial coverage like I did the first one, simply had better things to do with my time, but I would hear bits on CNN and he clearly showed his true colors on those tapes. As for the domestic violence charges on Nicole, I heard that 911 tape way back when he was arrested for murdering her and those pictures of her battered face speak volumes to me about how dangerous a person he is and how he thought of her as a possession and his ego would not let it go that she did not want him anymore so her murdered her, but got off and instead of just staying out of the spotlight, he then comes up with he was gonna hire a private investigator to find the "real killer" And then he beat on another woman, and then continued to slap the Brown's and Goldman's face after being found guilty in the civil trial, refusing to pay a dime and hid assets in his daughter's name, just an arrogant prick and then came the tell all murder book! SO I think his number is finally up and I don't mean his jersey number and after tomorrow there will be no further posting about him from me.

[William Anthony]

Am I missing something here? Did his enforcers have guns or not? I clearly heard on CNN the angry words he was spewing. He is facing some major time and would not be had he just agreed to buy his stuff back and let it go, but being the egomaniac that he is, he brought what I would call thugs and those men were held against their will, hence the kidnapping charges. I know you guys have empathy for him and you are certainly entitled to do so, and I loathe him so we are not ever gonna agree. My point is if "Hector Sanchez" had committed the same crimes, he would be going away for a long time and what makes this loser special? You do the crime, you have to do the time and tomorrow he will be held accountable and forfeit his freedom like every other person has to when they are convicted of a serious crime and it is his own fault. My take is this stuff meant so much to him, why did he have it up for sale? I have a watch that is worth a few bucks, but it belonged to my biological mother who I never met, she died in 2001 and my sister thought that I should have it and I would never part with it because of the meaning behind it, it is a part of her and if this stuff was so special, then why did he sell it? Especially the suit he wore to court the day he slithered out of murder charges, who in their right mind would want that? To me it is as bad as collecting stuff from serial killers. I admit I did not watch the trial coverage like I did the first one, simply had better things to do with my time, but I would hear bits on CNN and he clearly showed his true colors on those tapes. As for the domestic violence charges on Nicole, I heard that 911 tape way back when he was arrested for murdering her and those pictures of her battered face speak volumes to me about how dangerous a person he is and how he thought of her as a possession and his ego would not let it go that she did not want him anymore so her murdered her, but got off and instead of just staying out of the spotlight, he then comes up with he was gonna hire a private investigator to find the "real killer" And then he beat on another woman, and then continued to slap the Brown's and Goldman's face after being found guilty in the civil trial, refusing to pay a dime and hid assets in his daughter's name, just an arrogant prick and then came the tell all murder book! SO I think his number is finally up and I don't mean his jersey number and after tomorrow there will be no further posting about him from me.

Okay. You heard his voice and did not hear anything else in the trial. He will be sentenced and life will continue.

[martin II]

Am I missing something here? Did his enforcers have guns or not? I clearly heard on CNN the angry words he was spewing. He is facing some major time and would not be had he just agreed to buy his stuff back and let it go, but being the egomaniac that he is, he brought what I would call thugs and those men were held against their will, hence the kidnapping charges. I know you guys have empathy for him and you are certainly entitled to do so, and I loathe him so we are not ever gonna agree. My point is if "Hector Sanchez" had committed the same crimes, he would be going away for a long time and what makes this loser special? You do the crime, you have to do the time and tomorrow he will be held accountable and forfeit his freedom like every other person has to when they are convicted of a serious crime and it is his own fault. My take is this stuff meant so much to him, why did he have it up for sale? I have a watch that is worth a few bucks, but it belonged to my biological mother who I never met, she died in 2001 and my sister thought that I should have it and I would never part with it because of the meaning behind it, it is a part of her and if this stuff was so special, then why did he sell it? Especially the suit he wore to court the day he slithered out of murder charges, who in their right mind would want that? To me it is as bad as collecting stuff from serial killers. I admit I did not watch the trial coverage like I did the first one, simply had better things to do with my time, but I would hear bits on CNN and he clearly showed his true colors on those tapes. As for the domestic violence charges on Nicole, I heard that 911 tape way back when he was arrested for murdering her and those pictures of her battered face speak volumes to me about how dangerous a person he is and how he thought of her as a possession and his ego would not let it go that she did not want him anymore so her murdered her, but got off and instead of just staying out of the spotlight, he then comes up with he was gonna hire a private investigator to find the "real killer" And then he beat on another woman, and then continued to slap the Brown's and Goldman's face after being found guilty in the civil trial, refusing to pay a dime and hid assets in his daughter's name, just an arrogant prick and then came the tell all murder book! SO I think his number is finally up and I don't mean his jersey number and after tomorrow there will be no further posting about him from me.

You seem to be quite confused on the case.

[William Anthony]

It seems that wind must have been watching the trial on closed circuit tv. :)

[William Anthony]

I foresee a 6 year sentence with credit for time served and 5 years probation. :)

[William Anthony]

Fox reported that the prosecution and the probation department are recommending 18 years and Ms. Megyn kelly asked, if it was anyone else would the sentence be that large and the reporter said no and that the Goldmans were not receiving special treatment for sentencing.

[martin II]

It seems that wind must have been watching the trial on closed circuit tv. :)


I think so. There is an excess of it also.

[martin II]

Cnn
C Pilcaman defense lawyer
states that if Stewart had not been tried with oj he would have received some sort of community service and or probation.It was the carryover effect of the criminal trial that caused the overcharging of both by the DA.

[weezer]

1 hour 15 minutes and counting :beer:

[martin II]

I foresee a 6 year sentence with credit for time served and 5 years probation. :)

So did two Cnn Lawyers but i am not sure that will be the case based on the overcharging and the trumped up kidnapping charge.

[martin II]

1 hour 15 minutes and counting :beer:

Is your party ready??

[weezer]

1 hour, 7 minutes and counting :beer:

[weezer]

Is your party ready??

almost -- but I've still got time -- 1 hour, 6 minutes and counting :beer:

[William Anthony]

almost -- but I've still got time -- 1 hour, 6 minutes and counting :beer:

I hope it won't be a party buster, if he receives probation. :)

[weezer]

44 minutes and counting :beer:

[William Anthony]

44 minutes and counting :beer:

Thirty Five days and counting!

[weezer]

Thirty Five days and counting!


win one, lose one -- what can I say? :shrug:

God Bless America! :patriot:

[William Anthony]

win one, lose one -- what can I say? :shrug:

God Bless America! :patriot:

Fear not! The war is not lost in one battle, unless it is the last one. Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, that is why America is great. :patriot:

[William Anthony]

President Bush may be trying to overshadow Simpson on Fox.

[weezer]

24 minutes and counting :beer:

[weezer]

16 minutes and counting :beer:

[William Anthony]

It is very fortuitous and one may even say Karma that Mr. Fred and Ms. Kim Goldman won the lottery and gained seats in the courtroom.

[weezer]

I'm putting my money on KARMA! :D

[weezer]

I see arnelle but not christy -- hmmm

[weezer]

grasso better rethink 'we've become friends' -- most of those folks wind up in big trouble!

[weezer]

someone needs to tell grasso to shut up -- good Lord!

[SlowHandSam]

his acting skills are under par ... his attempt to seem as though he was ready to cry during his speech was weak.

[weezer]

his acting skills are under par ... his attempt to seem as though he was ready to cry during his speech was weak.

LOL -- the stream I'm watching didn't show him when he was talking. did he look 'pitiful'?

[SlowHandSam]

LOL -- the stream I'm watching didn't show him when he was talking. did he look 'pitiful'?

oh yes - I'm on TruTV watching it. He attempted to look pitiful and let his voice attempt to crack etc.

But when one of the other lawyers gave a quick thank you to the bench, he kept rolling his eyes ... wonder if he forgot he was on camera.

Now - Stewart is trying to look pitiful and remorseful etc.

[SlowHandSam]

15 or 30 years for both with a minimum stay of 7.5 years before parole eligible.

The math is crazy - but consensus is that for OJ it should be a max of 30 years.

I think Glass took his sentence down a bit after his appeal.

But ... at least it is prison time.

[weezer]

Jack Ford just said they figured it's 15 yrs with a minimum of 6 yrs before they are eligible for parole.


Other good news is the sentencing went so long that Jamie Floyd didn't get a chance for her "last word". :tongue::D:beer::beer:

[William Anthony]

Jack Ford just said they figured it's 15 yrs with a minimum of 6 yrs before they are eligible for parole.


Other good news is the sentencing went so long that Jamie Floyd didn't get a chance for her "last word". :tongue::D:beer::beer:

Why not. Do you think that Ms. Floyd would have mentioned the judge mentioning the other trials, while attesting to the fact that she did not consider them?

[weezer]

I'm not arguing with you today -- I'm in much too good a mood. Personally, I was glad jami floyd wasn't on because I think she's a racist b*tch masquerading as a 'reporter' --

[martin II]

15 or 30 years for both with a minimum stay of 7.5 years before parole eligible.

The math is crazy - but consensus is that for OJ it should be a max of 30 years.

I think Glass took his sentence down a bit after his appeal.

But ... at least it is prison time.

6 to 21 years is more correct.

[William Anthony]

I'm not arguing with you today -- I'm in much too good a mood. Personally, I was glad jami floyd wasn't on because I think she's a racist b*tch masquerading as a 'reporter' --

I get it. The criminal jury was racists, Martin and I are racists, Obama hung around with the Reverends Jackson and Wright and, now Ms. Floyd. I wonder what they would think of you but can only speak for myself. Oh yes, I think I have. ;):cool:

[martin II]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12052008/news/nationalnews/oj_simpson_gets_16_years_in_vegas_heist_142818.htm

16 years parol after 5

[martin II]

I'm not arguing with you today -- I'm in much too good a mood. Personally, I was glad jami floyd wasn't on because I think she's a racist b*tch masquerading as a 'reporter' --

Because her informed comments don't match with the hate filled ones you post. Get a life.

[wind149]

15 years in the slammer! He could come up for parole in 6 but that does not mean he will get it. I did not hear whether or not he is being shipped federal as if that is the case, he will do the whole sentence as there is no good time on Fed charges. How did I know he was gonna do the weeps and tears? He did not shed one tear for Nicole or Ron. I think it is an appropriate sentence and what sunk his boat were the tapes. Without those it would have been a case of he said he said and probably nothing would have come of it and he would have walked again. I applaud the judge for not letting him out on bail while he appeals, she probably feels like I do, he would book to some country without a extradition law and he would be a free man playing the links in Bora Bora flipping the bird at the US justice system!

So now instead of being this all time great football player he is nothing more than inmate#123456 and will be treated as such, no special favors like when he was being held in LA, no meals sent in, no private phone at his disposal, he will have to eat the same slop unless he lives on canteen food, and his phone service will consist of collect calls, it is gonna suck big time for an egomaniac used to having his own way, and me thinks is going to be broke by the time he does get out, lawyer bills have racked up big time and even if they waste his money on appeals, I don't think this will be approved, his own arrogance and selfishness will dictate that and I am very pleased to see him get what is coming to him. This means there is hope that judges and DA's won't be star struck anymore and give so called "stars" a walk, while Paris did not do her whole 45 days, she at least spent 23 days and why should they be treated any different? I am sure Fred is thrilled and the Brown's might be feeling a little bit of justice as well and now is a good time for Fred to go after more of his assets before he is so broke he gets food stamps when he gets out!:beer::beer:

[martin II]

Why did the judge talk about the goldmans in the middle of sentencing oj and stewart. what was that for?

[martin II]

15 years in the slammer! He could come up for parole in 6 but that does not mean he will get it. I did not hear whether or not he is being shipped federal as if that is the case, he will do the whole sentence as there is no good time on Fed charges. How did I know he was gonna do the weeps and tears? He did not shed one tear for Nicole or Ron. I think it is an appropriate sentence and what sunk his boat were the tapes. Without those it would have been a case of he said he said and probably nothing would have come of it and he would have walked again. I applaud the judge for not letting him out on bail while he appeals, she probably feels like I do, he would book to some country without a extradition law and he would be a free man playing the links in Bora Bora flipping the bird at the US justice system!

So now instead of being this all time great football player he is nothing more than inmate#123456 and will be treated as such, no special favors like when he was being held in LA, no meals sent in, no private phone at his disposal, he will have to eat the same slop unless he lives on canteen food, and his phone service will consist of collect calls, it is gonna suck big time for an egomaniac used to having his own way, and me thinks is going to be broke by the time he does get out, lawyer bills have racked up big time and even if they waste his money on appeals, I don't think this will be approved, his own arrogance and selfishness will dictate that and I am very pleased to see him get what is coming to him. This means there is hope that judges and DA's won't be star struck anymore and give so called "stars" a walk, while Paris did not do her whole 45 days, she at least spent 23 days and why should they be treated any different? I am sure Fred is thrilled and the Brown's might be feeling a little bit of justice as well and now is a good time for Fred to go after more of his assets before he is so broke he gets food stamps when he gets out!:beer::beer:


Why do you think oj will serve time in a federal prison in a state case?
Is that one of your informed facts or just more WIND

[William Anthony]

Why did the judge talk about the goldmans in the middle of sentencing oj and stewart. what was that for?

They can get the video of the way she appeared when she said she accepted the criminal verdict-she had to. While that standing alone may not be enough, it may be when all facts are considered.

[William Anthony]

15 years in the slammer! He could come up for parole in 6 but that does not mean he will get it. I did not hear whether or not he is being shipped federal as if that is the case, he will do the whole sentence as there is no good time on Fed charges. How did I know he was gonna do the weeps and tears? He did not shed one tear for Nicole or Ron. I think it is an appropriate sentence and what sunk his boat were the tapes. Without those it would have been a case of he said he said and probably nothing would have come of it and he would have walked again. I applaud the judge for not letting him out on bail while he appeals, she probably feels like I do, he would book to some country without a extradition law and he would be a free man playing the links in Bora Bora flipping the bird at the US justice system!

So now instead of being this all time great football player he is nothing more than inmate#123456 and will be treated as such, no special favors like when he was being held in LA, no meals sent in, no private phone at his disposal, he will have to eat the same slop unless he lives on canteen food, and his phone service will consist of collect calls, it is gonna suck big time for an egomaniac used to having his own way, and me thinks is going to be broke by the time he does get out, lawyer bills have racked up big time and even if they waste his money on appeals, I don't think this will be approved, his own arrogance and selfishness will dictate that and I am very pleased to see him get what is coming to him. This means there is hope that judges and DA's won't be star struck anymore and give so called "stars" a walk, while Paris did not do her whole 45 days, she at least spent 23 days and why should they be treated any different? I am sure Fred is thrilled and the Brown's might be feeling a little bit of justice as well and now is a good time for Fred to go after more of his assets before he is so broke he gets food stamps when he gets out!:beer::beer:

Do I detect a little celebrity envy?

[William Anthony]

There is no doubt that he broke the law and the conviction was correct under Nevada law. There is no doubt that the sentence was within the guidelines. There is some doubt, imho, that Simpson's due process rights were not violated.

[wind149]

I stand corrected. He is being sentenced state, because as a rule if kidnapping charges prevail it usually ends up federal. As for celebrity envy? The only persons that I wish I could be would be Donald Trump or Bill Gates as these guys are TRUE celebrities unlike Paris Hilton who is only famous because of her family name and nothing on merit unless you count the sex tape and seeing her on low budget "reality shows" As for OJ, I do not feel that he was ever a big celebrity, he played football and was a so so actor. I am not big on considering athletes as big time stars unless you factor in Tiger Woods, he is a pro golfer, but he also is a class act. He would never beat on his wife, he does not have substance abuse problems, and I actually could see him after he decides to give up golfing doing other things like acting, he is comfortable in his On-Star ads. OJ made choices that night and I love what the judge had to say to him. She did not buy the I am sorry for a nano second! He is only sorry because his ass is now in jail and I saw on CNN's site that they heard he could go up for parole in 9 years, but bottom line, he is not walking out of there in less than 6 and I am more than OK with that, the judge has done her job flawlessly, she saw before her not some football star but a dangerous sociopath and I would bet 97% of the population is agreeing with her right now.

[martin II]

I stand corrected. He is being sentenced state, because as a rule if kidnapping charges prevail it usually ends up federal. As for celebrity envy? The only persons that I wish I could be would be Donald Trump or Bill Gates as these guys are TRUE celebrities unlike Paris Hilton who is only famous because of her family name and nothing on merit unless you count the sex tape and seeing her on low budget "reality shows" As for OJ, I do not feel that he was ever a big celebrity, he played football and was a so so actor. I am not big on considering athletes as big time stars unless you factor in Tiger Woods, he is a pro golfer, but he also is a class act. He would never beat on his wife, he does not have substance abuse problems, and I actually could see him after he decides to give up golfing doing other things like acting, he is comfortable in his On-Star ads. OJ made choices that night and I love what the judge had to say to him. She did not buy the I am sorry for a nano second! He is only sorry because his ass is now in jail and I saw on CNN's site that they heard he could go up for parole in 9 years, but bottom line, he is not walking out of there in less than 6 and I am more than OK with that, the judge has done her job flawlessly, she saw before her not some football star but a dangerous sociopath and I would bet 97% of the population is agreeing with her right now.


I see you need some help. no one was taken across any state lines so your idea about federal being involved is nonsense.

Fumong did bring the stolen goods from CA to nevada a federal offense.

[weezer]

did I hear grasso and yale say 9 years before parole?

[martin II]

did I hear grasso and yale say 9 years before parole?

drudgereport said 15 years

what did you say?

[wind149]

That is why I stand corrected, nobody was taken across lines but sometimes if weapons are involved it can be a federal charge and now I just read the max time was 33 years and up for parole in 9 but that does not mean he will make it then, his victims can show up at his parole hearing and object and parole boards listen very hard to victims and their families so I guess his goose is really cooked and he has no one to blame but himself.

[martin II]

That is why I stand corrected, nobody was taken across lines but sometimes if weapons are involved it can be a federal charge and now I just read the max time was 33 years and up for parole in 9 but that does not mean he will make it then, his victims can show up at his parole hearing and object and parole boards listen very hard to victims and their families so I guess his goose is really cooked and he has no one to blame but himself.

Do you just make this stuff up

Fumong and Beadsley made statements that they think oj should receive very light sentences. So where do you get that crap from.

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson statement before sentencing
By The Associated Press – 2 days ago

Verbatim transcript of O.J. Simpson statement before sentencing:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1c-mAR1hjnvM64sEdQjaPNnOH9wD94SQVAO0

[tv]

O.J. Simpson statement before sentencing
By The Associated Press – 2 days ago

Verbatim transcript of O.J. Simpson statement before sentencing:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1c-mAR1hjnvM64sEdQjaPNnOH9wD94SQVAO0

He failed to mention that all those things were removed from his house at his request.

[William Anthony]

He failed to mention that all those things were removed from his house at his request.

That could have been, because he understood the judge's rulings that those thing were irrelevant to this crime, but, yet she mentioned things about the civil trial, when imposing sentence?

[weezer]

That could have been, because he understood the judge's rulings that those thing were irrelevant to this crime, but, yet she mentioned things about the civil trial, when imposing sentence?

I wonder if this part will have any bearing on the appeal:

". . .I felt that they were wrong. They had internal orders and they had internal (inaudible) some of these things that were both garnishable and things that were not garnishable. I didn't want them, to yell at them like they misinterpreted (inaudible) in the previous trial, said that I didn't ask them to yell at anybody. Unfortunately they did and I believe it was my fault because I brought them there. I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson statement before sentencing
By The Associated Press – 2 days ago

Verbatim transcript of O.J. Simpson statement before sentencing:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1c-mAR1hjnvM64sEdQjaPNnOH9wD94SQVAO0

I've also wondered why, if as he said they knew over the years that stuff was being sold over the internet -- why didn't he just have someone set up a buy over the net and track it that way. I mean, no one was going to buy 'original' stuff without being able to authenticate it. Doesn't seem to me that it would have been difficult to find the 'stuff' and the sellers. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

I wonder if this part will have any bearing on the appeal:

". . .I felt that they were wrong. They had internal orders and they had internal (inaudible) some of these things that were both garnishable and things that were not garnishable. I didn't want them, to yell at them like they misinterpreted (inaudible) in the previous trial, said that I didn't ask them to yell at anybody. Unfortunately they did and I believe it was my fault because I brought them there. I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

I don't see how, when normally the facts are not to be considered during the appeal. It is normally the application of the law that is considered.

[martin II]

I've also wondered why, if as he said they knew over the years that stuff was being sold over the internet -- why didn't he just have someone set up a buy over the net and track it that way. I mean, no one was going to buy 'original' stuff without being able to authenticate it. Doesn't seem to me that it would have been difficult to find the 'stuff' and the sellers. :shrug:

People buy original stuff on ebay every day.That is how mike sold a lot of the pictures.

i don't think this stuff was the only issue oj had been concerned with and knowing the small size of that broker circle he only had to wait for the goods to surface as the did.

[martin II]

I don't see how, when normally the facts are not to be considered during the appeal. It is normally the application of the law that is considered.

Bingo
this has been explained several times.

[martin II]

He failed to mention that all those things were removed from his house at his request.

Fumong and Beadsley said the specific itemg in the hotel were taken,stolen, by mike from oj trophy roon.

[weezer]

I don't see how, when normally the facts are not to be considered during the appeal. It is normally the application of the law that is considered.

so what 'facts' are in dispute in your mind?

[William Anthony]

so what 'facts' are in dispute in your mind?

I don't clutter my mind at this point with thoughts of facts being in dispute, since the basis of the appeal will focus on clearly erroneous and harmful errors of law, imho.

[weezer]

I don't clutter my mind at this point with thoughts of facts being in dispute, since the basis of the appeal will focus on clearly erroneous and harmful errors of law, imho.

actually, that's what I thought I was asking. What errors of law?

[William Anthony]

actually, that's what I thought I was asking. What errors of law?

We can begin with the jury selection and the voir dire process. You asked about facts in dispute. I think there will be the issue of the admissibility of the tapes, severance of trials and indications of judicial bias, all encompassed in 14th amendment rights.

Did you forget this post of yours?

"I wonder if this part will have any bearing on the appeal:

". . .I felt that they were wrong. They had internal orders and they had internal (inaudible) some of these things that were both garnishable and things that were not garnishable. I didn't want them, to yell at them like they misinterpreted (inaudible) in the previous trial, said that I didn't ask them to yell at anybody. Unfortunately they did and I believe it was my fault because I brought them there. I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

The jury determined the fact that he was guilty and the facts of their determination are not normally a part of the appeal. Maybe, you were just trying to bait me?

[weezer]

We can begin with the jury selection and the voir dire process. You asked about facts in dispute. I think there will be the issue of the admissibility of the tapes, severance of trials and indications of judicial bias, all encompassed in 14th amendment rights.

Did you forget this post of yours?



The jury determined the fact that he was guilty and the facts of their determination are not normally a part of the appeal. Maybe, you were just trying to bait me?

no baiting --

[William Anthony]

no baiting --

I see so you were not using the term of art, when you said facts, and actually meant the law.

[weezer]

I see so you were not using the term of art, when you said facts, and actually meant the law.

I'm not up to arguing today -- you brought up her mentioning the civil trial and whether or not that would be a factor in an appeal. I brought up orenthal saying he knew a couple of the guys were bad characters and he was responsible for them being there. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

I'm not up to arguing today -- you brought up her mentioning the civil trial and whether or not that would be a factor in an appeal. I brought up orenthal saying he knew a couple of the guys were bad characters and he was responsible for them being there. :shrug:

There is no argument. I may not be understanding the correlation you are trying to make. The jury found him guilty-he is admitting his guilt. She ruled that the civil trial was not a part of the trial but in sentencing she mentioned he called the Goldmans, gold diggers. He did not violate her rulings but she did.

[weezer]

There is no argument. I may not be understanding the correlation you are trying to make. The jury found him guilty-he is admitting his guilt. She ruled that the civil trial was not a part of the trial but in sentencing she mentioned he called the Goldmans, gold diggers. He did not violate her rulings but she did.

I think judges have wide latitude in what they say during sentencing -- everyone expected her to give him heck and she did not disappoint. I didn't see/hear anything in her mentioning the civil trial that was any different than orenthal mentioning it.

[martin II]

I'm not up to arguing today -- you brought up her mentioning the civil trial and whether or not that would be a factor in an appeal. I brought up orenthal saying he knew a couple of the guys were bad characters and he was responsible for them being there. :shrug:

The judge allowing the criminal trial be be discussed in the vegas trial could be judicial error. Oj talking responsibility for bringing the guys into the situation was just him saying he was sorry and trying to please the judge for a lighter sentence.

[martin II]

I think judges have wide latitude in what they say during sentencing -- everyone expected her to give him heck and she did not disappoint. I didn't see/hear anything in her mentioning the civil trial that was any different than orenthal mentioning it.

WOW

You do know that oj was not the judge and could not commit judicial error.

[martin II]

There is no argument. I may not be understanding the correlation you are trying to make. The jury found him guilty-he is admitting his guilt. She ruled that the civil trial was not a part of the trial but in sentencing she mentioned he called the Goldmans, gold diggers. He did not violate her rulings but she did.

I think glases comments about gold digger was a bone Glass decided to toss to fred sitting in the court as support.

[William Anthony]

I think judges have wide latitude in what they say during sentencing -- everyone expected her to give him heck and she did not disappoint. I didn't see/hear anything in her mentioning the civil trial that was any different than orenthal mentioning it.

We will have to see if she went afoul of that latitude, when it is placed in context of her rulings. I supplied a link. The difference is that is was her ruling.

[William Anthony]

I think glases comments about gold digger was a bone Glass decided to toss to fred sitting in the court as support.

I think it showed her disdain for his defense and him.

[William Anthony]

I think judges have wide latitude in what they say during sentencing -- everyone expected her to give him heck and she did not disappoint. I didn't see/hear anything in her mentioning the civil trial that was any different than orenthal mentioning it.

Now, I know there is a cultural difference, if you call that heck.

[weezer]

I think it showed her disdain for his defense and him.

I think it was her saying to him that he was fooling no one with the "I'm sorry. I didn't know." crap. he was so pathetic standing their sniveling -- geez

[William Anthony]

I think it was her saying to him that he was fooling no one with the "I'm sorry. I didn't know." crap. he was so pathetic standing their sniveling -- geez

Interesting, I took it as remorse for a crime he had actually committed, according to Nevada law.

[weezer]

Interesting, I took it as remorse for a crime he had actually committed, according to Nevada law.

hmmm -- remorse? I don't think so. He would never acknowledge that he had done wrong only sorry he was caught.

[William Anthony]

hmmm -- remorse? I don't think so. He would never acknowledge that he had done wrong only sorry he was caught.

You placed this in bold.

"I believe it was my fault because I brought them there. I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

[weezer]

You placed this in bold.

"I believe it was my fault because I brought them there. I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

actually, this is what I placed in bold: I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

[William Anthony]

actually, this is what I placed in bold: I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

I fully understood what you posted but to get to the relevant parts that disputed your claim that he did not take responsibility I placed in bold those parts where he said it was his fault. I thought maybe you were so happy over seeing his plight that you had overlooked the fact he did express remorse. I think you used dots on the portion where he said he was sorry. :)

[weezer]

I fully understood what you posted but to get to the relevant parts that disputed your claim that he did not take responsibility I placed in bold those parts where he said it was his fault. I thought maybe you were so happy over seeing his plight that you had overlooked the fact he did express remorse. I think you used dots on the portion where he said he was sorry. :)

then you should not have said that that was my post when it wasn't. :no:

[William Anthony]

then you should not have said that that was my post when it wasn't. :no:

Originally Posted by fbgweezer View Post
actually, this is what I placed in bold: I knew the character of a couple of the guys that were there and it was my fault that they were there. . ."

hmmm -- remorse? I don't think so. He would never acknowledge that he had done wrong only sorry he was caught.

Are you confused about your identity? You may know what part of the country you are in but not who you are. :);):cool:

[martin II]

Are you confused about your identity? You may know what part of the country you are in but not who you are. :);):cool:

thats funny

hahaha

[William Anthony]

thats funny

hahaha

Yes, hatred sometimes makes the hater appear more than irrational and you can find humor in that irrationality.

[William Anthony]

Here is an interesting link and I do not know whether or not it is the same Judge Glass but the judge was overturned by the Nevada supreme court on harmful error of law as it relates to not allowing a defense. It seems the media now has access to opinions that have been heretofore foreclosed.

http://www.harmfulerror.com/nevada_supreme_court_/unpublished_orders/