Simpson, co-defendant face 18 years at sentencing

[samanthajane13]

By KEN RITTER, Associated Press Writer Ken Ritter, Associated Press Writer – Tue Dec 2, 10:35 pm ET

LAS VEGAS – State authorities are recommending that O.J. Simpson and a co-defendant be sentenced to 18 years in prison for the gunpoint robbery and kidnapping of two sports memorabilia dealers, according to documents filed Tuesday.

Lawyers for the former NFL star and Clarence "C.J" Stewart filed briefs asking Clark County District Judge Jackie Glass for minimum prison terms of six years when she sentences the two men Friday.

A brief filed by Stewart's lawyer refers to a confidential recommendation by the state Parole and Probation Division that the two men serve sentences totaling 18 years for two counts of kidnapping with a deadly weapon and two counts of armed robbery.

Kidnapping convictions call for mandatory prison time, and each count carries a six-year sentence. Armed robbery charges each carry three-year sentences.

"We would like the judge to take our recommendation to heart and sentence (Simpson) to the minimum, six years," Simpson lawyer Gabriel Grasso said after filing his brief in response to the recommendation.

Glass is not bound by the report and could sentence each of the men to the maximum term of life in prison.

The brief filed by Stewart's lawyer, Brent Bryson, asked the judge to disregard the state's recommendation.

"Stewart submits that given his minimal participation in the events ... as well as his lack of any prior criminal convictions, that (he) be sentenced to the minimum," the brief said.

The brief indicates that the state is recommending concurrent terms for the other charges for which the two men were convicted, including conspiracy, assault with a deadly weapon, burglary and coercion.

A jury on Oct. 3 convicted Simpson and Stewart of all 12 charges against them in the Sept. 13, 2007, confrontation with the two sports memorabilia dealers at a Las Vegas casino hotel room.

Simpson maintained he went to the room to retrieve personal items, family photos and sports mementos that had been stolen from him years earlier.

Prosecutors did not submit a sentencing memorandum to the court. District Attorney David Roger has declined to comment about the case.

Simpson, 61, and Stewart, 54, are being held at the Clark County jail in Las Vegas.

Simpson was famously acquitted of murder in Los Angeles in the 1994 slaying of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson

[William Anthony]

Oh yeah. State of Nevada go. What a pity Cal didn't do the same. I bet Simpson's lawyer pleaded that he be sentenced to the min 6 years. Even the min sounds so sweet. Finally, Simpson is landed in jail. For good. Where he should have been 16 years ago.

Well Joe,

What you know? I see that you have been busy on another thread making posts about the rights of another, who may be charged with double murder, but, you have not once stood up for the rights of Simpson. It is true that the other person, whose rights you defend, is an 8 year old. However, rights should not depend on race or age, imho. Do you agree?

[William Anthony]

I have posted my comment on the other thread and I stood up for his rights. I did not hear what some call a confession from the snippet I heard and I did hear coercive tactics by LE. I think my positions have been consistent, don't you? Be that as it may, I was just wondering about your seeming new found appreciation for the law and the rights of a defendant in one case, but in this one you indicate that Simpson should in someway be punished for something you believe happened "16" years ago. I do not know how they handle things in Australia but in America the theory is that the punishment should fit the crime, not what crimes we believe someone may have committed. I was simply asking about a seeming respect for the law in one case and a disrespect for the law in another. I counted on you popping your noggin up from the land down under. Anticipation and preparation. Oh yes, on the other thread some are already putting forth mitigating circumstances for the 8 year old-he may have been abused, without any proof of that, yet. Don't you think the judge should consider mitigating circumstances in the Simpson case when it comes to sentencing?

[William Anthony]

Kate,

In anticipation of your always logical and intelligent comments, I am not suggesting that the 8 year old and Simpson should be treated the same in the judicial/criminal process. I am stating that those rights that are similar to both should be enforced equally. I did not want anyone to misunderstand my post and think that I was in someway equating the conduct of an 8 year old to that of a 60 year old. I think you understand that I was speaking more on the application of legal principles to the rights of the accused/convicted. Because I know that this is a touchy subject, involving a child, I wanted to make my post as clear as possible in the context of a citizen's 14th Amendment rights.

[martin II]

What is surprising is that the recomendations of the board in this case is for a high sentence. I have always seen them as a group that takes personal issues simular to social workers evaluations of defandants into consideration.
But i guess this is not the case in Nevada.imo

[William Anthony]

What is surprising is that the recomendations of the board in this case is for a high sentence. I have always seen them as a group that takes personal issues simular to social workers evaluations of defandants into consideration.
But i guess this is not the case in Nevada.imo

It must be comforting to some to know that they are correct that Simpson committed double murder beyond any doubt and, consequently, deserves to be punished for that crime even though he was acquitted, imho.

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

In anticipation of your always logical and intelligent comments, I am not suggesting that the 8 year old and Simpson should be treated the same in the judicial/criminal process. I am stating that those rights that are similar to both should be enforced equally. I did not want anyone to misunderstand my post and think that I was in someway equating the conduct of an 8 year old to that of a 60 year old. I think you understand that I was speaking more on the application of legal principles to the rights of the accused/convicted. Because I know that this is a touchy subject, involving a child, I wanted to make my post as clear as possible in the context of a citizen's 14th Amendment rights.

Well William, this allowed me a nice laugh to realize that you knew exactly what I was going to comment on and I do thank you for anticipating those comments and expanding upon your meanings. I do understand that of which you were speaking and support your position wholly.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Well William, this allowed me a nice laugh to realize that you knew exactly what I was going to comment on and I do thank you for anticipating those comments and expanding upon your meanings. I do understand that of which you were speaking and support your position wholly.

Kate

Thank you. I think a good lawyer must know his opponent, not saying that you are one, and, maybe should say those involved in a dispute as well as the facts and the law. Anticipation and preparation.:) I saw your fingers on the keyboard. :)

[weezer]

and here comes Ms. Deutsch again

O.J. Simpson's final chapter: a prison sentence
By LINDA DEUTSCH – 28 minutes ago

LAS VEGAS (AP) — During his trial for armed robbery and kidnapping, O.J. Simpson once sat in a courthouse hallway musing on what might have been: Before his arrest, he had considered moving to Las Vegas, where he liked the climate and the people he had met.

Now he could spend the rest of his life in Nevada — in prison.

The 61-year-old former football star, actor and TV pitchman will be sentenced Friday along with a co-defendant in a hearing that marks the end of Simpson's journey from fame and fortune to crime and punishment.

Although the case carries mandatory prison time, friend Tom Scotto said Simpson remains hopeful and positive after being convicted in October of all 12 charges that arose from a hotel-room confrontation with two sports-memorabilia dealers.

"He's doing better than I would be in this situation," said Scotto, who visited Simpson in jail and has spoken with him by phone. "He sounds good. He is upbeat. He's looking forward to the sentencing so he can get on with the appeal. . ."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iUNgbOr-2bnpFUX0MiII6je2CkRAD94RDNAO0

[William Anthony]

Most women just don't know when to butt out-just joking for the most part. :)

[weezer]

LOL -- I usually get my juice out of a carton --

"Juice Could Face 18 Years in the Can
Updated 7:47 AM PST, Wed, Dec 3, 2008
Simpson is facing prison time for the gunpoint robbery and kidnapping of two sports memorabilia dealers.

O.J. Simpson and a co-defendant face a recommended 18 years in prison in the gunpoint robbery and kidnapping of two sports memorabilia dealers. . ."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/us_world/NATL-OJ-Could-Face-18-Years-in-Slammer-.html

[William Anthony]

Martin,

You may be right about some getting news out of a trash can. :)

[Kate Sachel]

and here comes Ms. Deutsch again

O.J. Simpson's final chapter: a prison sentence
By LINDA DEUTSCH – 28 minutes ago

LAS VEGAS (AP) — During his trial for armed robbery and kidnapping, O.J. Simpson once sat in a courthouse hallway musing on what might have been: Before his arrest, he had considered moving to Las Vegas, where he liked the climate and the people he had met.

Now he could spend the rest of his life in Nevada — in prison.

The 61-year-old former football star, actor and TV pitchman will be sentenced Friday along with a co-defendant in a hearing that marks the end of Simpson's journey from fame and fortune to crime and punishment.

Although the case carries mandatory prison time, friend Tom Scotto said Simpson remains hopeful and positive after being convicted in October of all 12 charges that arose from a hotel-room confrontation with two sports-memorabilia dealers.

"He's doing better than I would be in this situation," said Scotto, who visited Simpson in jail and has spoken with him by phone. "He sounds good. He is upbeat. He's looking forward to the sentencing so he can get on with the appeal. . ."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iUNgbOr-2bnpFUX0MiII6je2CkRAD94RDNAO0

It seems he is in quite the stage of denial.

Kate

[weezer]

It seems he is in quite the stage of denial.

Kate

I'm sure orenthal can't believe it won't go his way. Scotto has shown himself to be a nut case and evidently isn't visiting stewart or he would know better . .

[William Anthony]

It seems he is in quite the stage of denial.

Kate

Denial, appeal, existentialism.

[weezer]

October 6, 2008
OJ Simpson subject to 15-year mandatory minimum (though with parole)
Writing here at SI.com, law professor Michael McCann provides an effective review of "the key questions following the guilty verdict of O.J. Simpson on all 12 counts of armed robbery and kidnapping." Here is the Q&A on sentencing:

What will happen at Simpson's sentencing on December 5?

Even if she opts to impose the most lenient possible sentence under discretion, Clark County District Judge Jackie Glass will sentence Simpson to at least 15 years in prison. His conviction alone of first-degree kidnapping with a deadly weapon carries a minimum sentence of 15 years, with the possibility of parole after five years, and a maximum sentence of life of prison with the chance of parole. Judge Glass could run the sentences for each of the 12 charges concurrently or consecutively, the latter of which would be disastrous for Simpson, as he would then serve time for each sentence, one-after-the-other.

Working in Simpson's favor is that judges normally refrain from imposing the maximum possible sentence for first-time offenders and, despite the many controversies surrounding him over the last two decades, Simpson has not previously been convicted of a crime (though he did plead no contest in 1989 to a spousal abuse charge, meaning he neither contested the charge nor admitted guilt). Then again, at age 61, there is a strong probability that, absent a successful appeal and regardless of Judge Glass' leniency, Simpson will spend the remainder of his life in prison.

Given that OJ is not really a classic "first-time offender," I do not think his legal team should be (or will be) expecting Judge Glass to impose the minimum possible sentence. That said, it will be very interesting to watch how everyone involved handles the acquitted conduct issue this high-profile case presents. It will also be interesting for years to come to watch how the Nevada parole authorities deal with this prominent felon as he ages in prison.

http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2008/10/oj-simpson-subj.html

[weezer]

okay -- Gabe Grasso wins the dumbest remark award for 2008:

". . .Convicted criminal O.J. Simpson was "clearly ... not using good judgment," . . ."

http://alaskareport.com/news1108/x61816_oj_simpson_975122.htm

[martin II]

okay -- Gabe Grasso wins the dumbest remark award for 2008:

". . .Convicted criminal O.J. Simpson was "clearly ... not using good judgment," . . ."

http://alaskareport.com/news1108/x61816_oj_simpson_975122.htm

I guess you have submitted your Brief to the judge giving her your guidlines for sentencing.:cool:

[William Anthony]

It appears that Grasso was not alone,

"I don't have any ill feelings, and if they walked out tomorrow, so be it," juror Dora Pettit said after convicting Simpson. "I think he's an ordinary man that made a bad decision."

[packy]

Six years sounds about right to me and I hope they consider the request. I can't believe this even came to trial, just me thinking that some of these guys have probably done worse things to each other but yeah OJ was stupid to play into this set up and it was a crime.

[William Anthony]

Six years sounds about right to me and I hope they consider the request. I can't believe this even came to trial, just me thinking that some of these guys have probably done worse things to each other but yeah OJ was stupid to play into this set up and it was a crime.

I don't know whether or not this is your first post on these threads but I agree that some punishment must be given and I am glad I am not a judge. If it were not for the guns, I think, as a judge, I would still be laughing at the lawyers and the witnesses. I think the guns provided the added element that harm may have occurred and that can not be ignored. Under the circumstances, I do not know what would be an appropriate sentence.

[packy]

I've posted a few time quite a while back but still try to lurk and keep up as much as possible. True about the guns being involved, there's no getting away from that. I'm just hoping that the briefs have some effect on the sentences.

[martin II]

Considering the original charges against the defendants, this must be the worse crimes ever commited in Vegas.

[weezer]

Simpson Sentencing memorandum

". . .Of course, the defense requests that each of the above sentences be run concurrent to each other. Under such a concurrent sentence structure, the total sentence in this case would be 6 to 17 1/2 years in Nevada State Prison. Considering the above mentioned reasons and arguments, such a sentence would be a sufficient reflection of both the nature of the case as well as the first time offender status of the defendant. . ."

[weezer]

they also filed a MOTION FOR SETTING REASONABLE BAIL PENDING DEFENDANT'S APPEAL TO THE NEVADA SUPREME COURT

[William Anthony]

I've posted a few time quite a while back but still try to lurk and keep up as much as possible. True about the guns being involved, there's no getting away from that. I'm just hoping that the briefs have some effect on the sentences.

I hope that those, who are called upon to decide what is fair, are not jaded and do not use the law to express their personal ideologies, although I realize it is done far too often. I guess it cannot be helped, as there always seems to be some sort of balancing test.

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson Sentencing This Week (2:27pm)

Posted: Dec 3, 2008 01:31 PM CST

LAS VEGAS (AP) - During his trial for armed robbery and kidnapping, O.J. Simpson once sat in a courthouse hallway musing on what might have been: Before his arrest, he had considered moving to Las Vegas, where he liked the climate and the people he had met. Now he could spend the rest of his life in Nevada - in prison.

http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=9452303

[William Anthony]

Simpson may win his appeal and decide to reside in Las Vegas. I mean that would be in par with the other decisions he made. "He is just a normal person who made bad decisions" said one of the jurors.

[weezer]

December 3rd, 2008 7:53 PM Eastern
INSIDE STORY on the OJ SIMPSON SENTENCING on FRIDAY: FRED GOLDMAN GOING TO GET A SEAT?
by Greta Van Susteren


Check out some notes about the OJ Simpson sentencing set for Friday in Vegas…this is from the Fox internal computer:

Goldmans to attend Simpson sentencing, not guaranteed seats in the courtroom.

Details:

-per Clark County Pio, Michael Sommermeyer, the Goldmans are not guaranteed entrance into the courtroom for Simpsons sentencing Friday morning in Las Vegas.

-All members of the public will go into lotterly, including the Goldmans, “there’s a good chance they won’t get in. There are only 15 seats for the public.”

-The Goldmans will have to stand in line for the public lottery at 8am on the courthouse steps, one hour before the hearing.

-Judge Jackie Glass has instructed Sommermeyer to “not hold seats for the people from the previous los angeles case.”

[weezer]

Simpson may win his appeal and decide to reside in Las Vegas. I mean that would be in par with the other decisions he made. "He is just a normal person who made bad decisions" said one of the jurors.

is this the same jury that was 'out' to get him? ;)

[William Anthony]

is this the same jury that was 'out' to get him? ;)

You will have to ask someone that made that statement, thanks. ;):cool:

[weezer]

". . .Attorneys for both Simpson and Stewart have vowed to appeal the convictions.

Simpson's lawyers argued detectives had rushed to judgement from early on in the case, and said prosecution witnesses, including the victims, could not be trusted because they had sold their stories to the media.

They have also complained about the jury selection which left no African-Americans on the panel. And they charge that judge Glass engaged in theatrics during the trial, berating attorneys and witnesses, sighing and waving her hands in disgust.

Las Vegas criminal defense attorney David Chesnoff said Stewart might have a better case for appeal, as his lawyers had asked from the start for a separate trial in order not to be associated with Simpson's notoriety.

"There are some issues on severance for Mr. Stewart that the Nevada Supreme Court has been sensitive to in the past," said Chesnoff, who has represented Martha Stewart and Mike Tyson among other celebrity clients.

"I saw a great deal of the trial, I didn't see any egregious errors by the judge. She knows the rules of evidence. . ."

[weezer]

". . .Simpson was subsequently found liable for the deaths in a 1997 civil suit and was ordered to pay damages to the victims' families totaling 33.5 million dollars. He has repeatedly said he will not pay the settlement.


So there is likely to be more legal action on who the sports memorabilia Simpson was trying to take belongs to.


"There's going to have to be a separate hearing regarding the disposition of the property," said Levenson.


"Some of the property the Goldmans have a claim to. Some of the property belonged to the victims. And some if it may rightfully belong to O.J. Simpson, so it would go back to his family."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=1028494

[William Anthony]

The standard is clearly erroneous harmful errors of law, which would include jury selection through sentencing, although Nevada law may be different and may change TOMORROW.

[martin II]

". . .Simpson was subsequently found liable for the deaths in a 1997 civil suit and was ordered to pay damages to the victims' families totaling 33.5 million dollars. He has repeatedly said he will not pay the settlement.


So there is likely to be more legal action on who the sports memorabilia Simpson was trying to take belongs to.


"There's going to have to be a separate hearing regarding the disposition of the property," said Levenson.


"Some of the property the Goldmans have a claim to. Some of the property belonged to the victims. And some if it may rightfully belong to O.J. Simpson, so it would go back to his family."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=1028494

The judge said during sentencing that oj tried to get the stuff because he did not the goldmans to get it. how did she know who the stuff belonged to
if it has not been determined as yet.:shrug:

[martin II]

Different media are giving different opinions about the meaning of the sentence. Time to be served.

[weezer]

oh well, we do know that it will be 6 years at least. let's see. that would make orenthal 67 for his first parole hearing. hmmm. what a way to spend your golden years huh? and all because he's a selfish, arrogant, bullying, thug.

[tv]

oh well, we do know that it will be 6 years at least. let's see. that would make orenthal 67 for his first parole hearing. hmmm. what a way to spend your golden years huh? and all because he's a selfish, arrogant, bullying, thug.

Now, come on, you know it's not his fault he's going to prison. The whole world is against him especially all white LE and prosecutors. How can you expect him to fight against odds like that? He's just misunderstood. :shrug:

[weezer]

Now, come on, you know it's not his fault he's going to prison. The whole world is against him especially all white LE and prosecutors. How can you expect him to fight against odds like that? He's just misunderstood. :shrug:

did you see the look on arnelle's face? lol -- not a tear, not a whimper. maybe she was thinking it's a good thing before she hurts him. ;)

[tv]

did you see the look on arnelle's face? lol -- not a tear, not a whimper. maybe she was thinking it's a good thing before she hurts him. ;)
She's probably thinking she'll be in charge of his pension.

[martin II]

Now, come on, you know it's not his fault he's going to prison. The whole world is against him especially all white LE and prosecutors. How can you expect him to fight against odds like that? He's just misunderstood. :shrug:

No its ojs fault but the punishment was too harsh.

[martin II]

did you see the look on arnelle's face? lol -- not a tear, not a whimper. maybe she was thinking it's a good thing before she hurts him. ;)

Arnell as usual looked like a very pretty black woman, Very poised and calm.
Good for her.

[martin II]

She's probably thinking she'll be in charge of his pension.

Women can be very nasty towards other women.

[tv]

Arnell as usual looked like a very pretty black woman, Very poised and calm.
Good for her.

I guess she's had time to regain her composure since she pushed him into the glass cabinet at home. Good for her that she's learned to control herself.

[tv]

Women can be very nasty towards other women.They sure can. If I recall correctly she also attacked Christie Prody.

[martin II]

They sure can. If I recall correctly she also attacked Christie Prody.

But you and weezer are engaged in another one of your lets talk mean and make up stuff about Arnell. Maby it is jealousy and anger against her.
She seems to be doing quite well. She sure looks good.:cool:

[tv]

No its ojs fault but the punishment was too harsh.

:eek:

[tv]

But you and weezer are engaged in another one of your lets talk mean and make up stuff about Arnell. Maby it is jealousy and anger against her.
She seems to be doing quite well. She sure looks good.:cool:It was reported in the news. I'm not making anything up. :shrug:

[martin II]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/05/oj.simpson.sentencing/index.html#cnnSTCOther2

[martin II]

It was reported in the news. I'm not making anything up. :shrug:

Where was it reported that Arnell thinks she will be in charge of ojs pension.

[tv]

Where was it reported that Arnell thinks she will be in charge of ojs pension.
I notice you're not challenging the incident where she attacked her father and CP.

[martin II]

I notice you're not challenging the incident where she attacked her father and CP.

If you did not make anything up, where was it reported that Arnell thinks she will be in control of ojs pension. That was your statement and i ask where did you read this?

[samanthajane13]

Okay-now I'm hearing so many different sentences...

Here's the first one I found-

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch, Ap Special Correspondent – 12 mins ago



LAS VEGAS – A weary and beaten-looking O.J. Simpson was put away Friday for at least nine years — and perhaps the rest of his life — for an armed robbery in a hotel room, bringing a measure of satisfaction to those who believed the football star got away with murder more than a decade ago.

The 61-year-old Hall of Famer listened stone-faced, his wrists in shackles, as Judge Jackie Glass pronounced the sentence — 33 years behind bars with eligibility for parole after less than a third of that.

Moments before, Simpson made a rambling, five-minute plea for leniency, simultaneously apologizing for the holdup as a foolish mistake and trying to justify his actions.

He choked back tears as he told her: "I didn't want to steal anything from anyone. ... I'm sorry, sorry."

The judge said several times that her sentence in the Las Vegas case had nothing to do with Simpson's 1995 acquittal in the slaying of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman.

"I'm not here to try and cause any retribution or any payback for anything else," Glass said.

But Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, and sister, Kim, said they were delighted with the sentence.

"We are thrilled, and it's a bittersweet moment," Fred Goldman said. "It was satisfying seeing him in shackles like he belongs."

Simpson said he and five other men were simply trying to retrieve sports memorabilia and other mementos when he stormed a Las Vegas hotel room occupied by two dealers on Sept. 13, 2007. He insisted the items, which included his first wife's wedding ring, had been stolen from him.

But the judge emphasized that it was a violent confrontation in which at least one gun was drawn, and she said someone could have been shot. She said the evidence was overwhelming, with the planning, the confrontation itself and the aftermath all recorded on audio or videotape.

Glass, a no-nonsense judge known for tough sentences, imposed such a complex series of consecutive and concurrent sentences that even many lawyers watching the case were confused as to how much time Simpson got.

Simpson could serve up to 33 years, according to Elana Roberto, the judge's clerk.

In state prison, he will remain in his own cell protected from the general prison population because of his celebrity.

Simpson's lawyer suggested again that his client was a victim of payback for his acquittal in Los Angeles.

"It really made us all aware that despite our best efforts, it's very difficult to separate the California case from the Nevada case," attorney Yale Galanter said.

Some people who followed the case said justice had finally caught up with Simpson.

"You do things and you've got to expect karma to come around," said Greg Wheatley, 32, of Los Angeles.

Simpson was led away to prison immediately after the judge refused to permit him to go free on bail while he appeals.

Simpson's co-defendant and former golfing buddy, Clarence "C.J. Stewart, was sentenced to up to 27 years in prison but would be eligible for parole after 7 1/2 years, court officials said.

The judge could have sent both men to prison for the rest of their lives. The state parole agency recommended at least 18 years. The defense pushed for the minimum six years.

The Goldmans took a share of the credit for Simpson's fate, saying their relentless pursuit of his assets to satisfy a $33.5 million wrongful-death judgment "pushed him over the edge" and led him to commit the robbery to recover some of his valuable sports memorabilia.

Nicole Brown Simpson's sister, Denise Brown, released a statement from her family referring to the date her sister and Ron Goldman were killed.

"Allowing wealth, power and control to consume himself, he made a horrific choice on June 12, 1994, which has spiraled into where he is today," the statement said.

Simpson and Stewart were both brought to the courtroom in dark blue jail uniforms, their hands chained to their waists. Simpson, who had not been expected to speak, delivered his statement to the judge in a hoarse voice before a hushed courtroom.

Both men were convicted Oct. 3 of 12 criminal charges, including kidnapping and armed robbery.

"We were preparing Mr. Simpson for the worst," Galanter said. "We felt we did really well. Obviously, he's upset about the possibility of doing nine years."

Galanter planned to file a notice of appeal later Friday. He believed the Goldman family's presence in the courtroom was inappropriate.

Most of the 63 seats in the courtroom were taken by media, lawyers and family members of the defendants. Fifteen members of the public were also allowed.

After sentencing was over, the Goldmans left the courtroom and Kim threw her arms around her father and wept.

Simpson's sisters declined to comment, but Shirley Baker said on her way out: "It's not over."

Jurors who heard 13 days of testimony said after the verdict that they were convinced of Simpson's guilt because of audio recordings that were secretly made of the robbery at the Palace Station casino hotel.

The confrontation involved sports memorabilia brokers Alfred Beardsley and Bruce Fromong. It was recorded by collectibles dealer Thomas Riccio, who was acting as middleman.

"Don't let nobody out of this room!" Simpson commands on the recordings, and he instructs other men to scoop up items.

On Tuesday, the judge is scheduled to sentence four former co-defendants who took plea deals and testified against Simpson and Stewart.

Michael McClinton, Charles Cashmore, Walter Alexander and Charles Ehrlich could receive probation or prison time. McClinton could get up to 11 years; the others face less.

___

Associated Press writers Ken Ritter and Kathleen Hennessey contributed to this report.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson

[samanthajane13]

And here's another-

O.J. Simpson sentenced to at least 15 years
By KEN RITTER, Associated Press Writer Ken Ritter, Associated Press Writer – Fri Dec 5, 2:17 pm ET

LAS VEGAS – A broken O.J. Simpson was sentenced Friday to at least 15 years in prison for a hotel armed robbery after a judge rejected his apology and said, "It was much more than stupidity."

The 61-year-old football Hall of Famer stood shackled and stone-faced when Judge Jackie Glass quickly rattled off his punishment soon after he made a rambling, five-minute plea for leniency, choking back tears as he told her: "I didn't want to steal anything from anyone. ... I'm sorry, sorry."

The judge said several times that her sentence in the Las Vegas case had nothing to do with Simpson's 1994 acquittal in the slaying of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman.

"I'm not here to try and cause any retribution or any payback for anything else," Glass said.

Simpson was immediately led away to prison after the judge refused to permit him to go free on bail while he appeals.

Simpson's co-defendant and former golfing buddy, Clarence "C.J. Stewart, also was sentenced to at least 15 years.

Outside court, Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, and sister, Kim, said they were thrilled with the sentence.

"There's never closure. Ron is always gone. What we have is satisfaction that this monster is where he belongs behind bars," Fred Goldman said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_en_ot/oj_simpson


I must say that I'm confused.

[martin II]

And here's another-

O.J. Simpson sentenced to at least 15 years
By KEN RITTER, Associated Press Writer Ken Ritter, Associated Press Writer – Fri Dec 5, 2:17 pm ET

LAS VEGAS – A broken O.J. Simpson was sentenced Friday to at least 15 years in prison for a hotel armed robbery after a judge rejected his apology and said, "It was much more than stupidity."

The 61-year-old football Hall of Famer stood shackled and stone-faced when Judge Jackie Glass quickly rattled off his punishment soon after he made a rambling, five-minute plea for leniency, choking back tears as he told her: "I didn't want to steal anything from anyone. ... I'm sorry, sorry."

The judge said several times that her sentence in the Las Vegas case had nothing to do with Simpson's 1994 acquittal in the slaying of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman.

"I'm not here to try and cause any retribution or any payback for anything else," Glass said.

Simpson was immediately led away to prison after the judge refused to permit him to go free on bail while he appeals.

Simpson's co-defendant and former golfing buddy, Clarence "C.J. Stewart, also was sentenced to at least 15 years.

Outside court, Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, and sister, Kim, said they were thrilled with the sentence.

"There's never closure. Ron is always gone. What we have is satisfaction that this monster is where he belongs behind bars," Fred Goldman said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_en_ot/oj_simpson


I must say that I'm confused.

complicated sentence by judge glass.
too harsh.

[martin II]

If you did not make anything up, where was it reported that Arnell thinks she will be in control of ojs pension. That was your statement and i ask where did you read this?

tv
waiting for your response

[weezer]

tv
waiting for your response

you need to go back and read the posts -- tv never said it was reported about arnelle and the pension, she said it was reported about the confrontation. :shrug:

[martin II]

you need to go back and read the posts -- tv never said it was reported about arnelle and the pension, she said it was reported about the confrontation. :shrug:

i would never ask you to clarify tvs comments. thanks but no thanks.

[weezer]

complicated sentence by judge glass.
too harsh.

no surprise in the sentencing. a 12 count convicted felon was sentenced. I don't know how anyone can figure the sentence was too harsh. I doubt anyone was would get less for pulling what he did. Do you think he's still giggling about the looks on the faces of his victims?

[weezer]

i would never ask you to clarify tvs comments. thanks but no thanks.

tsk, tsk, tsk -- don't be hating now. I was just trying to help you out.

[martin II]

you need to go back and read the posts -- tv never said it was reported about arnelle and the pension, she said it was reported about the confrontation. :shrug:


maby you believe tv is not capable of supporting her own claimes, is that true. do you speak for tv?

[martin II]

tsk, tsk, tsk -- don't be hating now. I was just trying to help you out.

seems like you are trying to help tv out not me. a joke you are,imo

[weezer]

maby you believe tv is not capable of supporting her own claimes, is that true. do you speak for tv?

I believe tv is more than capable of supporting her own claims -- and no I don't speak for tv. you were looking pretty stoopid and I was simply trying to help you out. my mistake. you go right ahead.

[William Anthony]

I am not surprised to hear that some disagree with the legal experts on Fox, who opined that the sentence was too harsh for the crime and that anyone but Simpson would have received a lighter sentence

[weezer]

http://i34.tinypic.com/wclpg4.jpg

[martin II]

I believe tv is more than capable of supporting her own claims -- and no I don't speak for tv. you were looking pretty stoopid and I was simply trying to help you out. my mistake. you go right ahead.

more nonsense

[martin II]

I am not surprised to hear that some disagree with the legal experts on Fox, who opined that the sentence was too harsh for the crime and that anyone but Simpson would have received a lighter sentence

that little silly azz judge could not hide her anger and bias.

[William Anthony]

that little silly azz judge could not hide her anger and bias.

I think they will have to prove bias but, undoubtedly, she had her 15 minutes of fame.

[weezer]

that little silly azz judge could not hide her anger and bias.

now, now, now martin. don't forget your advice to Mr. Goldman about hating and all that. . . . ;)

[martin II]

now, now, now martin. don't forget your advice to Mr. Goldman about hating and all that. . . . ;)

you seem to be like a busy little bee, buzzing from corner to corner spreading meaness and hate. maby one day you may get stuck in your vinger tasting honey.imo

[weezer]

you seem to be like a busy little bee, buzzing from corner to corner spreading meaness and hate. maby one day you may get stuck in your vinger tasting honey.imo

what's 'vinger'?

[martin II]

now, now, now martin. don't forget your advice to Mr. Goldman about hating and all that. . . . ;)

fred made yet another tv interview to inform all concerned that his money grab is alive and searching.hahaha

[martin II]

what's 'vinger'?

vineger or acid.

[weezer]

fred made yet another tv interview to inform all concerned that his money grab is alive and searching.hahaha

you go Mr. Goldman -- don't let orenthal's co-conspirator benefit from any of this.

[weezer]

vineger or acid.

what's 'vineger'?

[tv]

that little silly azz judge could not hide her anger and bias.You wouldn't call a male judge 'that little silly azz judge'. :no:

[weezer]

You wouldn't call a male judge 'that little silly azz judge'. :no:

oh I bet he would if he didn't like what was said about his hero :eek:

[tv]

tv
waiting for your response

Wait on.

[William Anthony]

Turn on Fox-Hannity and Colmes.

[William Anthony]

Bob Masee seems to have changed his tune and Kimberly Neusome thinks that the criminal trial came into play.

[William Anthony]

Ms. Kimberly seemed to switch her position as the discussion progressed. I think that it is hard for some to defend their position in the face of opposition. She also stated that, in her opinion, the Batson challenge would fail as intent had to be shown. It is ironic that the state only had to show general intent but there seems to be a need to show specific intent to a Batson challenge, according to my understanding of her statement.

[tv]

Ms. Kimberly seemed to switch her position as the discussion progressed. I think that it is hard for some to defend their position in the face of opposition. She also stated that, in her opinion, the Batson challenge would fail as intent had to be shown. It is ironic that the state only had to show general intent but there seems to be a need to show specific intent to a Batson challenge, according to my understanding of her statement.
She's never seemed shy about stating her position and sticking with it. I guess I just interpreted differently than you did.

[William Anthony]

She's never seemed shy about stating her position and sticking with it. I guess I just interpreted differently than you did.

Maybe, you are right but when she began she stated that the criminal trial came into play in her opinion but near the end she was saying that he should have been convicted of the murders based on the evidence in that trial. I think that she showed that those, who believe this, cannot separate the two different charges, crimes and verdicts. Perhaps, that was her way of proving her original statement. I found it strange that the judge commented on the fact that Simpson called the Goldmans, goldiggers, on the tapes. Did you? What did that add to the circumstances of this crime?

[tv]

Maybe, you are right but when she began she stated that the criminal trial came into play in her opinion but near the end she was saying that he should have been convicted of the murders based on the evidence in that trial. I think that she showed that those, who believe this, cannot separate the two different charges, crimes and verdicts. Perhaps, that was her way of proving her original statement. I found it strange that the judge commented on the fact that Simpson called the Goldmans, goldiggers, on the tapes. Did you? What did that add to the circumstances of this crime?To me it helped prove that he wasn't just trying to get his stuff back but also to keep it out of the hands of the Goldmans.

[William Anthony]

To me it helped prove that he wasn't just trying to get his stuff back but keep also to keep it out of the hands of the Goldmans.

But, according to the judge the ownership of the property was not an element to be considered in the crime and, therefore, not at sentencing, so why mention it?

[tv]

But, according to the judge the ownership of the property was not an element to be considered in the crime and, therefore, not at sentencing, so why mention it?Intention and motive?

[weezer]

But, according to the judge the ownership of the property was not an element to be considered in the crime and, therefore, not at sentencing, so why mention it?

to show that he knew what he was doing was wrong. if he really believed what he has claimed, why would he need to keep it out of the Goldmans' hands? and if he was worried about his 'stuff' why wasn't he worried the night he had family and friends scurrying away from rockingham to hide it?

[William Anthony]

Intention and motive?

The judge said it was irrelevant who owned the property and she specifically mentioned Glantar's repeated statements on intent as irrelevant and motive does not need to be proven, so why did she mention it? I could see her mentioning it, if the Goldmans had been in the room. She said that the civil verdict should play no part. So, why mention the statement?

[William Anthony]

Tvdinner,

I am not trying to put you on the spot. It is just that lawyer thing in me. I guess I am saying that there could be evidence of the judge's bias. It is nothing that I am asking you to defend but to consider.

[weezer]

The judge said it was irrelevant who owned the property and she specifically mentioned Glantar's repeated statements on intent as irrelevant and motive does not need to be proven, so why did she mention it? I could see her mentioning it, if the Goldmans had been in the room. She said that the civil verdict should play no part. So, why mention the statement?

because orenthal stood there and said he was only getting back stuff that had been stolen from him. his statement on the tapes that he had family and friends hide those things for him and then said he didn't care what happened to the stuff just as long as the Goldmans didn't get it. WTH was he thinking? it reminded me of him sitting in front of the picture of a bruised and battered Nicole and saying he never hit her. geez.

[William Anthony]

because orenthal stood there and said he was only getting back stuff that had been stolen from him. his statement on the tapes that he had family and friends hide those things for him and then said he didn't care what happened to the stuff just as long as the Goldmans didn't get it. WTH was he thinking? it reminded me of him sitting in front of the picture of a bruised and battered Nicole and saying he never hit her. geez.

Let's not retry the domestic violence case. I am speaking of the judge's rulings, then to turn around and mention it in sentencing. The Goldmans were not in the room. He was not charged with hiding property from the Goldmans. The judge said it was irrelevant as to who owned the property.

[William Anthony]

because orenthal stood there and said he was only getting back stuff that had been stolen from him. his statement on the tapes that he had family and friends hide those things for him and then said he didn't care what happened to the stuff just as long as the Goldmans didn't get it. WTH was he thinking? it reminded me of him sitting in front of the picture of a bruised and battered Nicole and saying he never hit her. geez.

Let me put it this way. All the judge had to say is that the reason Simpson gave was irrelevant under the law and does not change the fact that he committed armed robbery, without mentioning the gold diggers comment. I truly do not know how much leeway a judge is given in making statements but I saw no need for that one.

[weezer]

Let's not retry the domestic violence case. I am speaking of the judge's rulings, then to turn around and mention it in sentencing. The Goldmans were not in the room. He was not charged with hiding property from the Goldmans. The judge said it was irrelevant as to who owned the property.

I wasn't -- I was emphasizing orenthal's inability to grasp the obvious. we all read/heard the tapes -- he was giggling like a little girl about hiding the stuff from the Goldmans and then stood in that courtroom with his chin quivering and saying "I was just getting my stuff" -- uh, noooo.

I understood the judge's statement to say that in the crime itself, who the property belonged to was irrelevant.

BTW, what do you believe your sentence would have been if you had been convicted of 12 felonies with a gun in Nevada?

[weezer]

Let me put it this way. All the judge had to say is that the reason Simpson gave was irrelevant under the law and does not change the fact that he committed armed robbery, without mentioning the gold diggers comment. I truly do not know how much leeway a judge is given in making statements but I saw no need for that one.

she did say that -- I think it was orenthal's arrogance and ignorance to make that blathering statement about "I didn't know, blah, blah, blah" that she corrected.

[William Anthony]

I wasn't -- I was emphasizing orenthal's inability to grasp the obvious. we all read/heard the tapes -- he was giggling like a little girl about hiding the stuff from the Goldmans and then stood in that courtroom with his chin quivering and saying "I was just getting my stuff" -- uh, noooo.

I understood the judge's statement to say that in the crime itself, who the property belonged to was irrelevant.

BTW, what do you believe your sentence would have been if you had been convicted of 12 felonies with a gun in Nevada?

Whether he was giggling or taking it on the chin like a man, her ruling was that it was irrelevant. I can understand your feelings but I don't understand the statement coming from a judge. If the circumstances were similar and I had no previous convictions and I was not Simpson or had his disapproval and I had the money to afford a good lawyer, my sentence would have been much lighter.

[William Anthony]

she did say that -- I think it was orenthal's arrogance and ignorance to make that blathering statement about "I didn't know, blah, blah, blah" that she corrected.

As I recall the chronology of events, she made the remark, to which you correctly refer, before Simpson spoke. I have no problem with that remark. I do have a problem with the other one.

[William Anthony]

Interesting that Riccio now says on Greta that Simpson never planned an armed robbery or kidnapping and Gilbert is downing Scotto, saying Scotto only met Simpson after the murders and did not know he committed the murders.

[tv]

Tvdinner,

I am not trying to put you on the spot. It is just that lawyer thing in me. I guess I am saying that there could be evidence of the judge's bias. It is nothing that I am asking you to defend but to consider.I'll consider it but I don't think it's going to make a difference in the appeal. I think it's relevant to what his intentions were.

[William Anthony]

I'll consider it but I don't think it's going to make a difference in the appeal. I think it's relevant to what his intentions were.

I understand. It all goes back to the statute and the general intent concept and the judge's rulings. She may well have been within her discretion to make the remark but, from her ruling that the civil verdict was irrelevant, I think that for her to mention it shows that she thought, and, maybe correctly, that he should not have treated the Goldmans that way but that was or should not have been before her and that statement should not have been a part of the trial, imho.

[weezer]

As I recall the chronology of events, she made the remark, to which you correctly refer, before Simpson spoke. I have no problem with that remark. I do have a problem with the other one.

as I recall, orenthal gave his 'I'm so sorry and I didn't know' speech and then she made her comments during sentencing.

[weezer]

I understand. It all goes back to the statute and the general intent concept and the judge's rulings. She may well have been within her discretion to make the remark but, from her ruling that the civil verdict was irrelevant, I think that for her to mention it shows that she thought, and, maybe correctly, that he should not have treated the Goldmans that way but that was or should not have been before her and that statement should not have been a part of the trial, imho.

I guess as you like to say, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. I took the statements to mean that she knew orenthal was lying about not knowing it was wrong.

[William Anthony]

As I recall she made some statements before she heard the lawyers comments or the defendants and that was when she made the arrogant and ignorant comment. However, you may be right and I have no problem with that comment. I do have a problem with her repeating the gold digger comment and think that the tapes should have been redacted during the trial, based on her rulings.

[William Anthony]

I guess as you like to say, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. I took the statements to mean that she knew orenthal was lying about not knowing it was wrong.

I think she made that clear in her ignorant comment. He never said he didn't do anything wrong. He said he did not intend to rob anyone. He said he was wrong and sorry but that he was there to reclaim his property. Whether or not he hid property from the Goldmans was irrelevant, according to her rulings but that did not stop her from commenting on the remark before sentencing.

[tv]

As I recall she made some statements before she heard the lawyers comments or the defendants and that was when she made the arrogant and ignorant comment. However, you may be right and I have no problem with that comment. I do have a problem with her repeating the gold digger comment and think that the tapes should have been redacted during the trial, based on her rulings.

So now 'that little silly azz judge' is making arrogant and ignorant comments. Poor OJ.

[weezer]

As I recall she made some statements before she heard the lawyers comments or the defendants and that was when she made the arrogant and ignorant comment. However, you may be right and I have no problem with that comment. I do have a problem with her repeating the gold digger comment and think that the tapes should have been redacted during the trial, based on her rulings.

I assume you mean when she said she now knew orenthal was both arrogant and ignorant? her comments about and to him came after he spoke. and he was stupid enough to try the 'I just wanted my stuff' when everyone heard him on the tapes say differently.

[William Anthony]

So now 'that little silly azz judge' is making arrogant and ignorant comments. Poor OJ.

I don't know why you are taking this approach with me, since I did not make the comment about the judge and have said that I have no problem with the arrogant and ignorant comment. If you don't want to engage in civil discussions, then let me know. I questioned why she made a particular remark and could that remark be used to show her bias based on her rulings.

[William Anthony]

I assume you mean when she said she now knew orenthal was both arrogant and ignorant? her comments about and to him came after he spoke. and he was stupid enough to try the 'I just wanted my stuff' when everyone heard him on the tapes say differently.

That is not how I remember it. She said that when she started the case she remarked to Simpson that he did not know whether he was stupid and arrogant but during the trial she came to know he was both. I think she made some other comments and then asked the lawyers to speak, although I may be wrong.

[tv]

I don't know why you are taking this approach with me, since I did not make the comment about the judge and have said that I have no problem with the arrogant and ignorant comment. If you don't want to engage in civil discussions, then let me know. I questioned why she made a particular remark and could that remark be used to show her bias based on her rulings.

I've been very civil with you. I've told you why I thought she commented on the Goldmans. I think it was relevant to what he was thinking prior to the crime. It's not an educated guess by any stretch of the imagination but just what I think. I'm sure you're right and he'll be free when everyone figures out that Judge Glass was biased.

[William Anthony]

I've been very civil with you. I've told you why I thought she commented on the Goldmans. I think it was relevant to what he was thinking prior to the crime. It's not an educated guess by any stretch of the imagination but just what I think. I'm sure you're right and he'll be free when everyone figures out that Judge Glass was biased.

I understand why you made the statements in your posts but then you seemed to have attributed a remark to me that was made by someone else and that I indicated that sorrow should be felt for Simpson, because she called him arrogant and ignorant. I said I have no problem with that comment. I have a problem with another and I do not think that will free him but may be a reason for a new trial when combined with other things.

[William Anthony]

I assume you mean when she said she now knew orenthal was both arrogant and ignorant? her comments about and to him came after he spoke. and he was stupid enough to try the 'I just wanted my stuff' when everyone heard him on the tapes say differently.

I stand corrected, because she said during these proceedings. I also agree with Bill O'Riley, who felt that the judge should not have mentioned the criminal trial.

http://www.channel3000.com/video/18212957/detail.html

[tv]

I understand why you made the statements in your posts but then you seemed to have attributed a remark to me that was made by someone else and that I indicated that sorrow should be felt for Simpson, because she called him arrogant and ignorant. I said I have no problem with that comment. I have a problem with another and I do not think that will free him but may be a reason for a new trial when combined with other things.
I didn't mean to attribute martin's ignorant and sexist remark to you. I'm sorry if it came across that way.

[William Anthony]

I didn't mean to attribute martin's ignorant and sexist remark to you. I'm sorry if it came across that way.

Apology accepted. I think that I will leave you to celebrate with the others. I was up early and stayed up late last night. I intended to do the same tonight but my body is telling me otherwise. :)

[tv]

Apology accepted. I think that I will leave you to celebrate with the others. I was up early and stayed up late last night. I intended to do the same tonight but my body is telling me otherwise. :)

I've told you several times that whether or not he did time for this crime made no difference to me because he'll never be punished for the double murder. I think it's karma in a way but doesn't make up for what he did 13 years ago.

[weezer]

I've told you several times that whether or not he did time for this crime made no difference to me because he'll never be punished for the double murder. I think it's karma in a way but doesn't make up for what he did 13 years ago.

but you have to admit it was sweet to see him standing up there with his ole chin quivering -- I know I enjoyed it. maybe the fact that it was a woman passing judgment made it even sweeter -- that one's for you Nicole. ;)

[mu8shark]

Well Joe,

What you know? I see that you have been busy on another thread making posts about the rights of another, who may be charged with double murder, but, you have not once stood up for the rights of Simpson. It is true that the other person, whose rights you defend, is an 8 year old. However, rights should not depend on race or age, imho. Do you agree? Uh is there not a difference between the mindset and conscience of an 8 year old and a 60 year man? Are you telling me that OJ is on the same wavelength? I can't believe OJ says he does not know what he did was illegal or wrong. He is a grown up okay. The eight year old probably does not even understand fully the nature of his crime. Give Joe a break!
But then again maybe OJ is an 8 year old, because he is such a dumb ass.

[mu8shark]

Anyone see Nancy Grace showing the OJ sentencing. While he was apologizing and quivering they kept cutting to her and she was holding her nose and play dabbing at her eyes. Sometimes she gets on my nerves but tonight I confess I was laughing my butt off.

[mu8shark]

I've been very civil with you. I've told you why I thought she commented on the Goldmans. I think it was relevant to what he was thinking prior to the crime. It's not an educated guess by any stretch of the imagination but just what I think. I'm sure you're right and he'll be free when everyone figures out that Judge Glass was biased. Judges have very wide latitude in sentencing when they are speaking and pretty much anything they say does not overturn a sentence or get someone a new trial. Not being argumentative. I just know the law. She would almost have to say to him I do not believe you did anything wrong in this case but you did in another and that is why I am sentencing you to this. Mentioning the Goldmans, another case or calling him arrogant or stupid won't be grounds.

[mu8shark]

A few more things sticking in my craw. Who is Galanter to tell anyone it is inappropriate for the Goldmans to be at the sentencing??? I am sure Fred Goldman thought it was inappropriate for OJ to butcher his son. And also , enough about this it was a setup crap his friends are peddling. Okay if I tell anyone on this board to go kill the neighbor lady or go get your stuff from her and you take a gun and I film it or audiotape it, does that excuse you? I mean can your defense be, yeah I did a crime but she filmed me or taped me so I please your honor can I be excused? It's absurd. It does not matter if one of his friends or enemies or whatever set him up to be taped. It does not absolve you if I set you up and you drag your dumb butt over there and do it. He had free will, he could of said, naw not a good idea, but he is OJ. So why would this excuse him? Obviously his buddies who are saying this are as stupid as he is.

[William Anthony]

Uh is there not a difference between the mindset and conscience of an 8 year old and a 60 year man? Are you telling me that OJ is on the same wavelength? I can't believe OJ says he does not know what he did was illegal or wrong. He is a grown up okay. The eight year old probably does not even understand fully the nature of his crime. Give Joe a break!
But then again maybe OJ is an 8 year old, because he is such a dumb ass.

For a moment there I thought you were going to ask me to give JB a brain. I think you need to read all my posts on the subject before commenting on what you think I meant. I have said that I have no problem with the verdict under Nevada law. My question involved JB's appreciation for a defendant's rights and the apparent lack thereof for the rights of another defendant. The sentencing is one area of the law where there would be a difference. However, there are other areas where the law would be similar and should be enforced equally without regard to age, sex or race and I think that we should all protest if they are not. Don't you and JB, agree?

[William Anthony]

Judges have very wide latitude in sentencing when they are speaking and pretty much anything they say does not overturn a sentence or get someone a new trial. Not being argumentative. I just know the law. She would almost have to say to him I do not believe you did anything wrong in this case but you did in another and that is why I am sentencing you to this. Mentioning the Goldmans, another case or calling him arrogant or stupid won't be grounds.

I agree that fact standing alone will not be sufficient and I think they have lawyers looking over all her comments.:)

[William Anthony]

As one dog lover to another, I agree with your posts. Up to 33 years, no parole for 9! Oh yeah, oh yeah :D Finally, finally. I thought the sister might hit the floor again but this time she stayed upright. It's good to see the judicial system and people of Nevada have the common sense and ability not to be bamboozled by Simpson and all his c***. Never see him or hear of him again. That's what I want for Xmas. It is a bit of a stretch to link an 8 year old with Simpson but there are those, obviously, who will try.

Well Joe,

You have almost received a promotion to well Joe, what you don't know. The link is the law and a criminal act. There has been no effort to make them equal under the law on my part. You and I have expressed concern about Simpson's due process rights, in the case of an 8 year old who is alleged to have murdered two people. I have expressed a concern for Simpson's rights but I don't think you have. Off topic for a moment, how do Australians feel about America's new President Elect?

[William Anthony]

A few more things sticking in my craw. Who is Galanter to tell anyone it is inappropriate for the Goldmans to be at the sentencing??? I am sure Fred Goldman thought it was inappropriate for OJ to butcher his son. And also , enough about this it was a setup crap his friends are peddling. Okay if I tell anyone on this board to go kill the neighbor lady or go get your stuff from her and you take a gun and I film it or audiotape it, does that excuse you? I mean can your defense be, yeah I did a crime but she filmed me or taped me so I please your honor can I be excused? It's absurd. It does not matter if one of his friends or enemies or whatever set him up to be taped. It does not absolve you if I set you up and you drag your dumb butt over there and do it. He had free will, he could of said, naw not a good idea, but he is OJ. So why would this excuse him? Obviously his buddies who are saying this are as stupid as he is.

I guess absolution depends on who LE wants most. Let's use Riccio for example.

[William Anthony]

Up to 33 years and 9 before parole.:D Oh yeah. All your hypocrisy, rudeness, insensitivity and general cr*p won't change that. Simpson's gone down. Justice has been served. Simpson's in jail. And he's staying there. Oh yeah.

By the way, love everlasting to you. And Simpson. Because I think he's gonna need it. Oh yeah.

Well Joe,

Congratulations, what you don't know. The only rudeness that was started on this board, as well as hypocritical, rude, insensitive, vile, reprehensible and callous remarks, were started, since I joined, by those with your mindset and on your wavelength. The punishment should fit the crime. I am not certain that his punishment does not fit this crime.

Thanks for the wishing me everlasting love and I am certain that Simpson might appreciate it. As far as I am concerned, it was unnecessary, because even you and your cohorts can not take that away. It is sort of like having knowledge. Your worldly possessions can be taken but what is in your head cannot. Everlasting love is a state of mind, which does allow for anger but not hatred. See the difference? If not I will be happy to explain further. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

Another thing that I noticed in the judge's comments was the statement that Nevada did not appreciate people becoming involved in self-help. However, I did not hear her comment on the failure of LE to act. I think a state that wanted to discourage self-help would encourage LE to be very active when they receive reports of crime and not encourage invidious decisions by LE. I did not hear her say that she took that in consideration before imposing sentence.

[William Anthony]

Tvdinner,

Here is something for your consideration.

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/strange1.htm

“In the Pattno case, the sentence itself was clearly within the statutory limits, the court said. But because the judge read the Scripture and then stated he had considered the circumstances and the "nature . . . of the defendant" in reaching the sentence, "a reasonable person who heard the judge's comments could have questioned the judge's impartiality."

[martin II]

Mr. Simpson’s lead lawyer, Yale Galanter, said Friday’s sentence was less than he had expected. “It was one of those days where you expect the worst, hope for the best, and it turned out better than we thought,” he said, describing his client as “upset by the prospect of facing nine years in prison,” but “I think he’s really relieved he didn’t get a life sentence."

Mr. Galanter said his legal team planned to appeal the verdict on several grounds, including jury selection and Judge Glass’s instructions to the jury. He and the legal team have argued that jury selection was manipulated to produce a panel with no African-Americans, and that Judge Glass biased jurors by engaging in theatrics like berating lawyers and witnesses, sighing and waving her hands in disgust.

“What she did was horrible towards the defense, and that really does have an impact on jurors,” said a criminal defense lawyer not associated with the case, Dayvid Figler. “They can easily make a greatest hits of her screaming or yelling shut up or other signals to the jury.”

Another criminal defense lawyer, David Chesnoff, said Mr. Stewart might have a better chance for an appeal because Judge Glass denied repeated requests by his lawyers for a separate trial to avoid Mr. Stewart’s being associated with the notoriety attached to Mr. Simpson.

“There are some issues on severance for Mr. Stewart that the Nevada Supreme Court has been sensitive to in the past,” said Mr. Chesnoff, who has represented Martha Stewart and Mike Tyson, among other celebrity clients.

“I saw a great deal of the trial,” he said. “I didn’t see any egregious errors by the judge

[martin II]

You wouldn't call a male judge 'that little silly azz judge'. :no:

if he acted the same i would.

[martin II]

You wouldn't call a male judge 'that little silly azz judge'. :no:

Can i expect a response from you where it was reported that Arnell was thinking she would be in control of Ojs pension? or do you want to skip that.

[martin II]

To me it helped prove that he wasn't just trying to get his stuff back but also to keep it out of the hands of the Goldmans.

It has been quoted that some of the stuff MAy go to fred, some to the victims and some to oj.
The Joe montana stuff may go back to Joe Montana if stolen. The Oj family stuff and the footballs may go to Oj. So what did Glass know would go to fred if the CA judge has not held a hearing on any of the stuff yet?
Seems like Glass was making a assumption.

[William Anthony]

if he acted the same i would.

Tvdinner has indicated that she doesn't feel disadvantaged by being a woman. I think she can appreciate the fact that you would apply your comments equally to a man as a woman, who acted in the manner to which you object.:)
I guess she aligns herself with the larger society of womanhood that have been disadvantaged, although she personally has not. :)

[martin II]

A few more things sticking in my craw. Who is Galanter to tell anyone it is inappropriate for the Goldmans to be at the sentencing??? I am sure Fred Goldman thought it was inappropriate for OJ to butcher his son. And also , enough about this it was a setup crap his friends are peddling. Okay if I tell anyone on this board to go kill the neighbor lady or go get your stuff from her and you take a gun and I film it or audiotape it, does that excuse you? I mean can your defense be, yeah I did a crime but she filmed me or taped me so I please your honor can I be excused? It's absurd. It does not matter if one of his friends or enemies or whatever set him up to be taped. It does not absolve you if I set you up and you drag your dumb butt over there and do it. He had free will, he could of said, naw not a good idea, but he is OJ. So why would this excuse him? Obviously his buddies who are saying this are as stupid as he is.

Well McClinton and Alexander could have said 'i don't care what oj asked me to do,bring guns, i am a adult and i am not going to bring guns.But they made this decision all on their own.

[William Anthony]

Well McClinton and Alexander could have said 'i don't care what oj asked me to do,bring guns, i am a adult and i am not going to bring guns.But they made this decision all on their own.

Well Martin,

I think those that were directly involved know better what transpired than those, who only listened to the tapes. What I mean is that they had the proximity to judge his demeanor and his words to know if he planned a robbery or considered his threats to be real. Of course, this is all imho. I forgot. The jury did not believe any of the witnesses, only what they heard on the tapes, which is within their discretion.

[martin II]

Well Martin,

I think those that were directly involved know better what transpired than those, who only listened to the tapes. What I mean is that they had the proximity to judge his demeanor and his words to know if he planned a robbery or considered his threats to be real. Of course, this is all imho. I forgot. The jury did not believe any of the witnesses, only what they heard on the tapes, which is within their discretion.

If by chance the appeals court tosses the tapes some here may have fatal strokes.

[martin II]

Tvdinner has indicated that she doesn't feel disadvantaged by being a woman. I think she can appreciate the fact that you would apply your comments equally to a man as a woman, who acted in the manner to which you object.:)
I guess she aligns herself with the larger society of womanhood that have been disadvantaged, although she personally has not. :)

Maby she does not fully understand that as a woman she has been disadvantaged. Maby she did not understand that McCain and the religious right wanted to be able to tell her what to do with her body.

[martin II]

If the Vegas trial had nothing to do with the Criminal trial, exactly why was it mentioned so many times and why did the judge speak of fred during sentencing. I guess Fred beat out the many media request for seats in the court room.hahaha

[William Anthony]

If by chance the appeals court tosses the tapes some here may have fatal strokes.

The judge relied heavily on the tapes and the video's, as if Simpson had placed the defense of I did not do it on the table. I did not hear that defense, only that he never intended to rob anyone and was, in his mind, reclaiming his property. Geraldo is placing a special on Fox, about Simpson revealed and is supposed to be never before seen footage. MG was the most vile of all the guest Greta had on. He even beat out MF, who wanted to rehash what he did during the investigation in the criminal trial. I heard him say that he had to call for directions to Simpson's home (he said it had been 9 years, IIRC, since he had been on a call to that residence) but allegedly told Vannatter and Lang that he knew where Simpson lived. Wonder why he lied to Vannatter and Lang? Could it have dealt with the glove?

[William Anthony]

http://www.newsmeat.com/news/meat.php?articleId=38214851&channelId=2951&buyerId=newsmeatcom&buid=3281

I hope they get the footage of her saying this part.

“…I have great respect for the criminal justice system. I am part of it. And as a judge who has taken jury verdicts for years, I respect the verdicts of my juries. I have to respect what happened in the case 13 years ago with Mr. Simpson. The jury decided. There are many people that disagreed with that verdict, but that doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that the state brought charges, a trial was conducted, and evidence was heard, testimony received, the jury deliberated. They reached a verdict. And I have to respect that verdict as well.”

[William Anthony]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-ojsimpson-optional&prov=ap&type=lgns

[martin II]

It seems that the judge could not resist mentioning the goldmans.Yet she claims this trial had nothing to do with the criminal trial.
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In sentencing Simpson on Friday, Glass noted that he can be heard on tapes of the incident referring to the Goldmans as "gold-diggers" and saying he doesn't want them to get his property. See how his sentence breaks down »

"If that pushed him over the edge, great," Fred Goldman said afterward. "Put him where he belongs." Watch Fred and Kim Goldman react »

Galanter said he thought the Goldmans' presence was "inappropriate."

"I don't think they should have been here," he said. "It reminded us all how the criminal justice system can run afoul, because the only thing Simpson should have been judged on is what happened here in Nevada."

[martin II]

The judge relied heavily on the tapes and the video's, as if Simpson had placed the defense of I did not do it on the table. I did not hear that defense, only that he never intended to rob anyone and was, in his mind, reclaiming his property. Geraldo is placing a special on Fox, about Simpson revealed and is supposed to be never before seen footage. MG was the most vile of all the guest Greta had on. He even beat out MF, who wanted to rehash what he did during the investigation in the criminal trial. I heard him say that he had to call for directions to Simpson's home (he said it had been 9 years, IIRC, since he had been on a call to that residence) but allegedly told Vannatter and Lang that he knew where Simpson lived. Wonder why he lied to Vannatter and Lang? Could it have dealt with the glove?

So now MF claims he had to call for direcitons to ojs house.But Vanhatter said the only reason mf went went with him is that MF knew the directions to ojs house.The lies are comming out.

[William Anthony]

So now MF claims he had to call for direcitons to ojs house.But Vanhatter said the only reason mf went went with him is that MF knew the directions to ojs house.The lies are comming out.

I think Greta realized it as she cut MF off. He was just getting to the point of finding blood on the Bronco.

[martin II]

TV
The RNC announced today that they spent not $150,000 but $180,000 on your gilrs, Palin, clothes.$30,000 more a lot on Victoria Secrets items and that all will be donated to charity.

[martin II]

I think Greta realized it as she cut MF off. He was just getting to the point of finding blood on the Bronco.

Oj, one of the most well know people in Brentwood and no detective knew where he lived. But they got their lies crossed on the reason to go to ojs house.

[utl768]

im no oj aplogoist by any means, but to me its disgraceful that the men who had guns in this ordeal r most likely going to walk away with probation or small prison time and oj and stewart men who had no guns and were not armed at all r going to spend significant jail time. say what u want about oj simpson but he got screwed royally here by everyone involved in the nevada criminal system that is clearly out too get him.

[William Anthony]

im no oj aplogoist by any means, but to me its disgraceful that the men who had guns in this ordeal r most likely going to walk away with probation or small prison time and oj and stewart men who had no guns and were not armed at all r going to spend significant jail time. say what u want about oj simpson but he got screwed royally here by everyone involved in the nevada criminal system that is clearly out too get him.

I think I understand your feelings but I must disagree to some point. My point in the above post was that there was no need for MF to have been there. It added to the feeling that this case was about retribution. His slip of the tongue about needing directions suggests to me that those who rely on karma may be off base a tad. With that said, I think that the law, the verdict and the sentencing where in line with Nevada law. I question whether his due process rights were violated and whether that was in some way tied to the criminal verdict and his actions to avoid payment of the civil damage award. I think that a fair trial includes the right to an impartial judge. I do not know that the defense will be able to show that her statements, rulings and actions rise to the level of bias. I just question them for myself and look to discuss this with people with open minds, as to how they see it. I really do not know how much evidence will be sufficient to show bias, as the link I provided was the only case I have been able to find on the subject. I do think that judges should be extra careful to shun the appearance of partiality.

[utl768]

I think I understand your feelings but I must disagree to some point. My point in the above post was that there was no need for MF to have been there. It added to the feeling that this case was about retribution. His slip of the tongue about needing directions suggests to me that those who rely on karma may be off base a tad. With that said, I think that the law, the verdict and the sentencing where in line with Nevada law. I question whether his due process rights were violated and whether that was in some way tied to the criminal verdict and his actions to avoid payment of the civil damage award. I think that a fair trial includes the right to an impartial judge. I do not know that the defense will be able to show that her statements, rulings and actions rise to the level of bias. I just question them for myself and look to discuss this with people with open minds, as to how they see it. I really do not know how much evidence will be sufficient to show bias, as the link I provided was the only case I have been able to find on the subject. I do think that judges should be extra careful to shun the appearance of partiality.

I think they have may have a case with jury misconduct after the forepersons comments after the trial although even that is going to be hard too prove.

[William Anthony]

I think they have may have a case with jury misconduct after the forepersons comments after the trial although even that is going to be hard too prove.

I think you are right. I think he decided to get himself appointed and tried very hard to get the decision rendered on that date, sending a clear message to most of America what the trial was really about. I think he led that flock to the pasture he wanted them to graze.

[martin II]

im no oj aplogoist by any means, but to me its disgraceful that the men who had guns in this ordeal r most likely going to walk away with probation or small prison time and oj and stewart men who had no guns and were not armed at all r going to spend significant jail time. say what u want about oj simpson but he got screwed royally here by everyone involved in the nevada criminal system that is clearly out too get him.

I might add that Riccio the master conspiritor in the event got off scott free.

[utl768]

I might add that Riccio the master conspiritor in the event got off scott free.

that also and oj was charged with conspiracy charges when if anyone riccio was the biggest conspirator in the whole thing.

[martin II]

I think you are right. I think he decided to get himself appointed and tried very hard to get the decision rendered on that date, sending a clear message to most of America what the trial was really about. I think he led that flock to the pasture he wanted them to graze.

I am still a little confused as to how the judge took over the questioning of potential jurors, and when some said they believed oj got away with murder,
and she simply asked if they could put their feelings aside, she approved them for jury duty. I wonder what answer she thought she would get from tham in open court in front of everyone.
It seemed that she would have dismissed them and called other potential jurors to take their place.imo

[martin II]

that also and oj was charged with conspiracy charges when if anyone riccio was the biggest conspirator in the whole thing.


Based on how the DA and the judge handeled this case the people of Nevada
did not received justice.

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but you have to admit it was sweet to see him standing up there with his ole chin quivering -- I know I enjoyed it. maybe the fact that it was a woman passing judgment made it even sweeter -- that one's for you Nicole. ;)

Oh, yes, very sweet. It was just icing on the cake for me. Just a little karma for what he did and for the good life he's led for the last 13 years while Ron and Nicole lay cold in their graves. Unlike some people that feel sorry for him I don't think it's legal payback -- it's payback of the spiritual kind.

[tv]

Based on how the DA and the judge handeled this case the people of Nevada
did not received justice.haha, you mean you think OJ Simpson didn't receive justice. Just say what you mean.

[tv]

I might add that Riccio the master conspiritor in the event got off scott free.You mean like OJ Simpson the master conspirator got off 13 years ago?

[tv]

TV
The RNC announced today that they spent not $150,000 but $180,000 on your gilrs, Palin, clothes.$30,000 more a lot on Victoria Secrets items and that all will be donated to charity.

What do you care what they spent? None of it came out of your pocket. For someone that hates Republicans you sure pay a lot of attention to them.

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Can i expect a response from you where it was reported that Arnell was thinking she would be in control of Ojs pension? or do you want to skip that.Already answered.

[tv]

The judge relied heavily on the tapes and the video's, as if Simpson had placed the defense of I did not do it on the table. I did not hear that defense, only that he never intended to rob anyone and was, in his mind, reclaiming his property. Geraldo is placing a special on Fox, about Simpson revealed and is supposed to be never before seen footage. MG was the most vile of all the guest Greta had on. He even beat out MF, who wanted to rehash what he did during the investigation in the criminal trial. I heard him say that he had to call for directions to Simpson's home (he said it had been 9 years, IIRC, since he had been on a call to that residence) but allegedly told Vannatter and Lang that he knew where Simpson lived. Wonder why he lied to Vannatter and Lang? Could it have dealt with the glove?I think it's funny you would call Mike Gilbert vile but never use that language when referring to OJ Simpson who brutally slaughtered two human beings.

[William Anthony]

I think it's funny you would call Mike Gilbert vile but never use that language when referring to OJ Simpson who brutally slaughtered two human beings.

I have to run out but I wanted to answer this before I left. I call him vile because of what came out of his mouth. I can say the same for Simpson but he was not on the stage as he was otherwise detained. :) I am not as certain as you are that he committed double murder. MG had no problem spewing hatred.

[utl768]

You mean like OJ Simpson the master conspirator got off 13 years ago?

we all have our opinions of 13 yrs ago but this case should have nothing at all to do with 13 yrs ago, a jury found him not guilty in 1995, he should not be punished now because some ppl dont agree

[tv]

we all have our opinions of 13 yrs ago but this case should have nothing at all to do with 13 yrs ago, a jury found him not guilty in 1995, he should not be punished now because some ppl dont agree
I guess I'll say it again. I don't think one case should have had anything to do with the other. I'm making a comment as someone that wasn't on the jury, representing the defendants or sitting on the bench. It affects nothing for me to say he was a master conspirator 13 years ago.

[tv]

I have to run out but I wanted to answer this before I left. I call him vile because of what came out of his mouth. I can say the same for Simpson but he was not on the stage as he was otherwise detained. :) I am not as certain as you are that he committed double murder. MG had no problem spewing hatred.
I watched the show but please refresh my mind as to what he said that was vile.

[martin II]

we all have our opinions of 13 yrs ago but this case should have nothing at all to do with 13 yrs ago, a jury found him not guilty in 1995, he should not be punished now because some ppl dont agree

People that claim they don't hold ojs not guilty verdict against him don't seem to be able to discuss the vegas case without saying FINALLY he was convicted or referring to 13 years ago.

[martin II]

What do you care what they spent? None of it came out of your pocket. For someone that hates Republicans you sure pay a lot of attention to them.

Someone sent me that media report and they chuckled at how the RNC
intended to donate Palins used Victoria secrets undies to charity

She was truly the Republican princess with no clothes or undies for that matter.

[martin II]

Stay away from me.

I am a long way from you but you can stop calling me names.

[martin II]

You need to stop making negative personal comments about me.You started that nonsense.imo

[tv]

Someone sent me that media report and they chuckled at how the RNC
intended to donate Palins used Victoria secrets undies to charity

She was truly the Republican princess with no clothes or undies for that matter.


They should have sent Michelle Obama some of that money. She dresses like a bag lady. hahaha

[tv]

I am a long way from you but you can stop calling me names.
I haven't called you anything but you've called me ignorant and a few other things. Please stop posting to me. My last post to you was about Michelle Obama but I just wanted you to know she needs help in the clothing department.

[martin II]

I haven't called you anything but you've called me ignorant and a few other things. Please stop posting to me. My last post to you was about Michelle Obama but I just wanted you to know she needs help in the clothing department.



Michelle has brought a new fresh look to dress as the first lady.She is not Barbaba or Laura Bush that dressed as if they were going to a funeral.

American women went wild for that black and white dress she wore and it was a sellout.

The fashion industry has given her great marks for her taste in clothes which means that you may be a little behind if you think she is not in fashion.

Considering how the top fashion designers are in line to design her wardrobe for the Jan 20 festivities, she will be a knockout.
See ABC today.

[tv]

Michelle has brought a new fresh look to dress as the first lady.She is not Barbaba or Laura Bush that dressed as if they were going to a funeral.

American women went wild for that black and white dress she wore and it was a sellout.

The fashion industry has given her great marks for her taste in clothes which means that you may be a little behind if you think she is not in fashion.

Considering how the top fashion designers are in line to design her wardrobe for the Jan 20 festivities, she will be a knockout.
See ABC today.I don't give a rat's behind what she wears. I just wanted you to know I'm on my way to put you on ignore. Free from your remarks at last!!

[martin II]

They should have sent Michelle Obama some of that money. She dresses like a bag lady. hahaha

She does not wear house dress in public like you.hahaha

[martin II]

I don't give a rat's behind what she wears. I just wanted you to know I'm on my way to put you on ignore. Free from your remarks at last!!

i got the idea that you cared as you made the negative comment about her fashion.

[William Anthony]

I watched the show but please refresh my mind as to what he said that was vile.

I truly don't remember his words verbatim but I think Scotto said it best when he said that he found it appalling people like MG and Kato, who had lived with him without paying rent and made a living off him, where now speaking in the manner that they did about him. According to MG he had no problem telling Simpson how to make the gloves not fit, but now he is talking about him and the fact, according to him, that Simpson committed the murders.

[William Anthony]

I guess I'll say it again. I don't think one case should have had anything to do with the other. I'm making a comment as someone that wasn't on the jury, representing the defendants or sitting on the bench. It affects nothing for me to say he was a master conspirator 13 years ago.

I have to agree that it affects nothing. However, it is a sentiment held by many that may have effected how they voted in this trial. I think the defense will have an uphill battle trying to prove it, but, I think that we all believe it did. I think it is only human nature and I don't think any juror on that jury was not human.

[William Anthony]

I think that both women are attractive in their own way. Personally, I don't think that I could see Ms. Palin as President. I do think that Ms. Obama has a degree of eloquence that would be befitting of the office. I can see Ms. Palin in a high position and I do believe that she has the qualifications and dedication to hold some high position in the Government. I do not think it would be an ambassador, because she may be lacking the diplomacy that would be necessary. This is not meant to speak negatively of her. I think she is what she is and that is what people like about her and that Ms. Obama is what she is and those qualities are more suited to higher government offices, imho. I think America is looking for a new Camelot. I hope I have not offended anyone and I am just trying to make clear what I mean and am not speaking negatively about either woman. If Ms. Palin had a legal background, I could see her as Attorney General, because of her dedication to principles and her forcefulness.

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I truly don't remember his words verbatim but I think Scotto said it best when he said that he found it appalling people like MG and Kato, who had lived with him without paying rent and made a living off him, where now speaking in the manner that they did about him. According to MG he had no problem telling Simpson how to make the gloves not fit, but now he is talking about him and the fact, according to him, that Simpson committed the murders.


His reasons for having Kato live at his house was self-serving but even if that wasn't the case do you think he should pretend to think he's not guilty? MG was wrong to tell Simpson how to make the gloves fit but that doesn't mean he has to stay loyal to him forever.

[William Anthony]

His reasons for having Kato live at his house was self-serving but even if that wasn't the case do you think he should pretend to think he's not guilty? MG was wrong to tell Simpson how to make the gloves fit but that doesn't mean he has to stay loyal to him forever.

I think Kato has his own reasons for his views and I don't think many take him seriously, but I may be wrong. MG was wrong, according to him, in many things, including hiding property from the Goldmans. Now, If some here want to throw the label of hypocrite around (which I don't think you have) then this would be a perfect place for it. It was okay for me to assist Simpson in beating the double murder charge, hide property from the victims families, steal from Simpson and/or those families and try to secretly sell the property I stole, because I am no longer receiving money from Simpson I can tell this and America should not hold this against me, because I found a conscience, according to MG.

[martin II]

I truly don't remember his words verbatim but I think Scotto said it best when he said that he found it appalling people like MG and Kato, who had lived with him without paying rent and made a living off him, where now speaking in the manner that they did about him. According to MG he had no problem telling Simpson how to make the gloves not fit, but now he is talking about him and the fact, according to him, that Simpson committed the murders.

Im America there is money to be made by pilling on Oj Simpson even for grifters like Kato and crooks like MG.

[William Anthony]

Im America there is money to be made by pilling on Oj Simpson even for grifters like Kato and crooks like MG.

I may have to revise the opening on our book. I am thinking of making the Black Athlete's business associate, Marvin Gulibert, the one who contacted the racist cop with the idea of framing the athlete, smile.

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I think Kato has his own reasons for his views and I don't think many take him seriously, but I may be wrong. MG was wrong, according to him, in many things, including hiding property from the Goldmans. Now, If some hear want to throw the label of hypocrite around (which I don't think you have) then this would be a perfect place for it. It was okay for me to assist Simpson in beating the double murder charge, hide property from the victims families, steal from Simpson and/or those families and try to secretly sell the property I stole, because I am no longer receiving money from Simpson I can tell this and America should not hold this against me, because I found a conscience, according to MG.The day after the murders OJ and his entourage settled in at the house. Simpson tried to get Kato to say he knew he was home at the time of the murders and was intimidated by Mark Slotkin. He moved out the next day. I take him seriously.

I don't apologize for Mike Gilbert. If he did everything he says he did he's guilty of obstructing justice and helping to set a killer free but I think what he has to say has relevance to both cases.

I don't think we can discount anything Kato or Mike Gilbert say just because of who they are.

[martin II]

I think that both women are attractive in their own way. Personally, I don't think that I could see Ms. Palin as President. I do think that Ms. Obama has a degree of eloquence that would be befitting of the office. I can see Ms. Palin in a high position and I do believe that she has the qualifications and dedication to hold some high position in the Government. I do not think it would be an ambassador, because she may be lacking the diplomacy that would be necessary. This is not meant to speak negatively of her. I think she is what she is and that is what people like about her and that Ms. Obama is what she is and those qualities are more suited to higher government offices, imho. I think America is looking for a new Camelot. I hope I have not offended anyone and I am just trying to make clear what I mean and am not speaking negatively about either woman. If Ms. Palin had a legal background, I could see her as Attorney General, because of her dedication to principles and her forcefulness.



The problem i have with Sarah Palin is the same that many others had, She was aspiring for the second highest office in the land yet she remained intectually lazy about the job and the u.s. constitution.

Her record in government in Alaska is not one that anyone could be proud of.
She needs some 5th grade civics classes among other things.
I think she was over her head when she left that Mayors job. imo

[William Anthony]

The day after the murders OJ and his entourage settled in at the house. Simpson tried to get Kato to say he knew he was home at the time of the murders and was intimidated by Mark Slotkin. He moved out the next day. I take him seriously.

I don't apologize for Mike Gilbert. If he did everything he says he did he's guilty of obstructing justice and helping to set a killer free but I think what he has to say has relevance to both cases.

I don't think we can discount anything Kato or Mike Gilbert say just because of who they are.

I am sure that you take him seriously and there are some others that likewise do. However, I think on this one you may be in the minority. :) I think Kato is not as dumb as he pretends to be and will say anything that benefits Kato.

I am not asking you to apologize for MG. I don't think he has any relevance to the cases, as they have been decided. He may have some relevance to a new cause of action, although I cannot think of what it would be as it would apply to Simpson. I have not discounted anything he said and I am only saying that it was vile for the pot to call the kettle black.

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I am sure that you take him seriously and there are some others that likewise do. However, I think on this one you may be in the minority. :) I think Kato is not as dumb as he pretends to be and will say anything that benefits Kato.

I am not asking you to apologize for MG. I don't think he has any relevance to the cases, as they have been decided. He may have some relevance to a new cause of action, although I cannot think of what it would be as it would apply to Simpson. I have not discounted anything he said and I am only saying that it was vile for the pot to call the kettle black.How does saying he thinks Simpson is guilty benefit Kato?

[martin II]

oj taking or not taking some pills had nothing to do with those too small gloves not fitting. MG lied just like he lied about not taking ojs stuff from his trophy room that Fumong said he took.imo

[William Anthony]

The problem i have with Sarah Palin is the same that many others had, She was aspiring for the second highest office in the land yet she remained intectually lazy about the job and the u.s. constitution.

Her record in government in Alaska is not one that anyone could be proud of.
She needs some 5th grade civics classes among other things.
I think she was over her head when she left that Mayors job. imo

She was thrust upon the scene and not adequately prepared, imho. However, whether or not I agree with her views, which for the most part I do not, I think she was honest in what she said she believed in and I could see her being mavericky (:)) in Washington. I think that she is just who she portrayed herself as. She was a hockey mom that saw that Washington needed reforming. I think that the office of President carries with it a certain amount of eloquence, even though, imho, Bush got elected without it but America realized its mistake. I think she may have the class to be President but not the requisite eloquence. Assuming that her knowledge may be lacking in certain areas, I think she could learn that but to turn her into something she is not would detract from her being Ms. Palin. I think that, when America heard Ms. Obama speak for then candidate Obama, Ms. Obama has an eloquence that nearly matches that of the President Elect. I think that is what America is ready for and will not be willing to settle for less in the near future.

[William Anthony]

How does saying he thinks Simpson is guilty benefit Kato?

He has made himself acceptable to most of America and stays somewhat in the limelight. I think it may be damning to anyone, who wants to get ahead with a severe lack of talent, to say that he thinks Simpson was innocent, especially if that person is of the majority persuasion and I do not mean that cynically but factually.

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William, I wish you would consider making a political thread in this forum to allow all the people that want to post on the subject a place to do it. :)

[martin II]

william

There is the tale that kato told at some time that at GG he was tiring if Nicole comming home at 2-3 in the morning and demanding that he come to the living room to Talk with her.He may have been pleased to move to ojs.
imo

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He has made himself acceptable to most of America and stays somewhat in the limelight. I think it may be damning to anyone, who wants to get ahead with a severe lack of talent, to say that he thinks Simpson was innocent, especially if that person is of the majority persuasion and I do not mean that cynically but factually.What does the majority persuasion mean? There are people that really believe Simpson is innocent but mostly they're pinheads like Alan Colmes.

[William Anthony]

oj taking or not taking some pills had nothing to do with those too small gloves not fitting. MG lied just like he lied about not taking ojs stuff from his trophy room that Fumong said he took.imo

I can say that I have swelling in my hands and it may come from not taking my pills. However, it does not last for days, only hours. I do not suffer from arthritis. I also believe he took the items without Simpson's knowledge and tried to sell them. I just remembered that he was upset when he claimed he got 20% while Simpson got 80.

[William Anthony]

What does the majority persuasion mean? There are people that really believe Simpson is innocent but mostly they're pinheads like Alan Colmes.

I like that one too.:) Colmes was famous or shall we say made his mark before the criminal trial. I think that it is very unpopular to say that you believe Simpson is innocent and any prospective employer would take a hard look at one, who said that. I think the only marks that Kato has made has been on numerous resumes. :)

[William Anthony]

William, I wish you would consider making a political thread in this forum to allow all the people that want to post on the subject a place to do it. :)

You and Martin were engaged in the discussion while I was out. It seemed the discussion was becoming somewhat heated. I offered a middle ground. Now, you are suggesting that I get off the field. :)

[martin II]

She was thrust upon the scene and not adequately prepared, imho. However, whether or not I agree with her views, which for the most part I do not, I think she was honest in what she said she believed in and I could see her being mavericky (:)) in Washington. I think that she is just who she portrayed herself as. She was a hockey mom that saw that Washington needed reforming. I think that the office of President carries with it a certain amount of eloquence, even though, imho, Bush got elected without it but America realized its mistake. I think she may have the class to be President but not the requisite eloquence. Assuming that her knowledge may be lacking in certain areas, I think she could learn that but to turn her into something she is not would detract from her being Ms. Palin. I think that, when America heard Ms. Obama speak for then candidate Obama, Ms. Obama has an eloquence that nearly matches that of the President Elect. I think that is what America is ready for and will not be willing to settle for less in the near future.


OK
She presented herself as a honest and good government person. If one reads the Alaskan media there are many there that disagree with her claim. Staffing the government with unqualified past high school friends is not good government. Asserting that she had signed a successful multimillion dollar pipeline contract with that Canadian company that will never be built was not truthful. Claiming that she was a energy "EXPERT" as a result, was not truthful. imo

[martin II]

What does the majority persuasion mean? There are people that really believe Simpson is innocent but mostly they're pinheads like Alan Colmes.

Alan Colmes announced last week that he is leaving that program with that racist fool.

[William Anthony]

OK
She presented herself as a honest and good government person. If one reads the Alaskan media there are many there that disagree with her claim. Staffing the government with unqualified past high school friends is not good government. Asserting that she had signed a successful multimillion dollar pipeline contract with that Canadian company that will never be built was not truthful. Claiming that she was a energy "EXPERT" as a result, was not truthful. imo

I understand your point. Maybe, I did not make myself clear enough. I believe she honestly believed what she said she did. I think that honesty came across. Her rough edges also came across honestly. That is what I meant by she is what she is. I see something appealing in that rough edge that only she could pull off, because she is honest about it. I think that she was not the proper selection for McCain and may have been better for Bush. I do not think that Bush's image was honest and she would have brought an image of honesty to his campaign. To some degree I think she overshadowed McCain.

[William Anthony]

Alan Colmes announced last week that he is leaving that program with that racist fool.

I don't blame him. I think he and I would have had a pugilistic contest. :)

[tv]

You and Martin were engaged in the discussion while I was out. It seemed the discussion was becoming somewhat heated. I offered a middle ground. Now, you are suggesting that I get off the field. :)No, I'm not suggesting you get off the field. The election is over. I've posted several times my support for the president-elect even though I didn't vote for him. martin continues to make his nasty posts even telling me I should be ashamed as a woman because I don't support NOW. I'm tired of having his political views pushed down my throat and wish he'd take them elsewhere. I thought a separate thread might accomplish this.

[William Anthony]

No, I'm not suggesting you get off the field. The election is over. I've posted several times my support for the president-elect even though I didn't vote for him. martin continues to make his nasty posts even telling me I should be ashamed as a woman because I don't support NOW. I'm tired of having his political views pushed down my throat and wish he'd take them elsewhere. I thought a separate thread might accomplish this.

I understand and I do not think that this is a political thread, although, to me, I am somewhat amazed at the interest that was expressed in December 5th, when, to me, January 20th is vastly more significant, which I guess would suggest a separate thread. I am a little torn on that NOW thing. I do believe women should have equal rights but I prefer them to be feminine. I guess I am saying they have the right to be equal, if I let them-just kidding-:).

[tv]

I understand and I do not think that this is a political thread, although, to me, I am somewhat amazed at the interest that was expressed in December 5th, when, to me, January 20th is vastly more significant, which I guess would suggest a separate thread. I am a little torn on that NOW thing. I do believe women should have equal rights but I prefer them to be feminine. I guess I am saying they have the right to be equal, if I let them-just kidding-:).
NOW is too far left for me and I think that I should be allowed my personal preference. I also believe in equal rights for women and believe I have equal rights. You're always going to run into incidents of inequality but I think everyone, even men, can be victims of that. As a nurse, I see some bias against male nurses, even white male nurses. To say I'm a disadvantaged person just because I'm a woman is something I refuse to accept.

Jan 20 is more significant than Dec 5 but this is a forum to discuss OJ Simpson so I don't see why we should concentrate our posts on Obama. I'm tired of the gloating posts and the Palin bashing. She is just as intelligent as Biden who thought Hoover went on TV during the depression. The point I'm trying to make is that if I wanted to discuss politics I would find a political forum.

[William Anthony]

NOW is too far left for me and I think that I should be allowed my personal preference. I also believe in equal rights for women and believe I have equal rights. You're always going to run into incidents of inequality but I think everyone, even men, can be victims of that. As a nurse, I see some bias against male nurses, even white male nurses. To say I'm a disadvantaged person just because I'm a woman is something I refuse to accept.

Jan 20 is more significant than Dec 5 but this is a forum to discuss OJ Simpson so I don't see why we should concentrate our posts on Obama. I'm tired of the gloating posts and the Palin bashing. She is just as intelligent as Biden who thought Hoover went on TV during the depression. The point I'm trying to make is that if I wanted to discuss politics I would find a political forum.

I didn't mean to say that you were disadvantaged, because you were a woman. I meant to say that the class of women is disadvantaged because men are men. I don't think you should accept being disadvantaged because you are a woman and on that we can agree. Stand up, fight, fight fight, fight, stand up and fight.:)

Now getting back on track here is an article on the Batson challenge and I know it is long but just pay attention to paragraphs [6] and [7].

[tv]

Are you going to post a link? :)

[tv]

william, are you watching Fox?

[William Anthony]

Are you going to post a link? :)

sorry,

http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:8unZjWaaMKMJ:law.richmond.edu/jolt/v13i2/article6.pdf+rogers+reason+for+excluding+Blacks+fr om+simpson+armed+robbery+trial&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

[William Anthony]

william, are you watching Fox?

I went downstairs and missed what was actually shown but did hear the tail end of Geraldo speaking. I know Mr. Goldman will be on at eight and that Geraldo will show the documentary at ten, I think. I am not a big fan of Julia or Geraldo.

[martin II]

No, I'm not suggesting you get off the field. The election is over. I've posted several times my support for the president-elect even though I didn't vote for him. martin continues to make his nasty posts even telling me I should be ashamed as a woman because I don't support NOW. I'm tired of having his political views pushed down my throat and wish he'd take them elsewhere. I thought a separate thread might accomplish this.

Just as i try to ignore your name calling of me you are under no obligation to respond to post the i make. I have no problem with you jumping ship after the election.Democratsd welcome all but that does not mean that issues that are important cannot be posted.Issues such as Machells fashion taste comes to mind.

[tv]

sorry,

http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:8unZjWaaMKMJ:law.richmond.edu/jolt/v13i2/article6.pdf+rogers+reason+for+excluding+Blacks+fr om+simpson+armed+robbery+trial&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

Interesting. If that can be used for an appeal for OJ Simpson then his attorneys should use it. I have a feeling that it isn't going to work. Do you think a predominantly black jury would have found him not guilty of the charges?

[tv]

I went downstairs and missed what was actually shown but did hear the tail end of Geraldo speaking. I know Mr. Goldman will be on at eight and that Geraldo will show the documentary at ten, I think. I am not a big fan of Julia or Geraldo.It doesn't matter if you're a fan of Geraldo or not. This is going to be OJ Simpson in his own words. It may change how some people feel about whether or not things were stolen from his house by MG and others. I know you're interested in the truth above all else. :)

[William Anthony]

If they don't want Blacks on the jury, because they thought the criminal verdict was right, then I think it is probable that employers would not want employees who thought the same, getting back to my post about Kato, saying what benefits Kato. It is just an unpopular belief to hold or rather to express openly.

[tv]

If they don't want Blacks on the jury, because they thought the criminal verdict was right, then I think it is probable that employers would not want employees who thought the same, getting back to my post about Kato, saying what benefits Kato. It is just an unpopular belief to hold or rather to express openly.
I disagree. I think saying he's guilty to a black person is unpopular.

By the way, I think it's to Geraldo's credit that he waited until after the verdict to air this about Simpson.

[William Anthony]

It doesn't matter if you're a fan of Geraldo or not. This is going to be OJ Simpson in his own words. It may change how some people feel about whether or not things were stolen from his house by MG and others. I know you're interested in the truth above all else. :)

Equality and justice above all else. :) Can we give Simpson the same benefit you give MF and say he was just boasting?:) The reason I said that was not because I wasn't going to watch, but just don't like him much. I mean he goes to hurricanes to stand in the wind to make himself look less windy. :) His big ado about nothing-Al Capone's secret vault with the beer bottle. :)

[William Anthony]

I disagree. I think saying he's guilty to a black person is unpopular.

By the way, I think it's to Geraldo's credit that he waited until after the verdict to air this about Simpson.

Look woman,

I did not write the article or render the opinion or the challenge. :) It says what it says and it is what it is, smile. Saying he is guilty of murder to anyone is not the truth, smile.

I think it was the manager's decision and, rightly so, so as not to potentially improperly influence the jury, to reign Geraldo in.

[tv]

Equality and justice above all else. :) Can we give Simpson the same benefit you give MF and say he was just boasting.:) The reason I said that was not because I wasn't going to watch, but just don't like him much. I mean he goes to hurricanes to stand in the wind to make himself look less windy. :) His big ado about nothing-Al Capone's secret vault with the beer bottle. :)
You know it's not the same as Mark Fuhrman, William. You know it's not just boasting.

I like Geraldo. I was irritated about the vault but he's gotten away from things like that lately. Who do you like on Fox?

[tv]

Look woman,

I did not write the article or render the opinion or the challenge. :) It says what it says and it is what it is, smile. Saying he is guilty of murder to anyone is not the truth, smile.

I think it was the manager's decision and, rightly so, so as not to potentially improperly influence the jury, to reign Geraldo in.
You could possibly be right about the manager but whoever made the call did the right thing.

Legally, he's not guilty of murder but factually he is. That's my opinion.

[martin II]

I understand your point. Maybe, I did not make myself clear enough. I believe she honestly believed what she said she did. I think that honesty came across. Her rough edges also came across honestly. That is what I meant by she is what she is. I see something appealing in that rough edge that only she could pull off, because she is honest about it. I think that she was not the proper selection for McCain and may have been better for Bush. I do not think that Bush's image was honest and she would have brought an image of honesty to his campaign. To some degree I think she overshadowed McCain.

Well, i think Palin was a empty dress that turned on McCain for her own benefit just as she turned on the former Republican Govenor of Alaska that had helped her get to where she was before attacking him.

I support any group that works to make change for those that have been taken advantage of whether it be women, blacks or hispanics. I think that women as a group are disadvantages even if there are a few that don't believe they are.imo

[William Anthony]

You know it's not the same as Mark Fuhrman, William. You know it's not just boasting.

I like Geraldo. I was irritated about the vault but he's gotten away from things like that lately. Who do you like on Fox?

E.D. Hill, Bryant Killmead, Jane Skinner (the weather lady) and sometimes O'Riley and Greta.

[William Anthony]

Well, i think Palin was a empty dress that turned on McCain for her own benefit just as she turned on the former Republican Govenor of Alaska that had helped her get to where she was before attacking him.

I support any group that works to make change for those that have been taken advantage of whether it be women, blacks or hispanics. I think that women as a group are disadvantages even if there are a few that don't believe they are.imo

I agree with your last paragraph totally and I agree that McCain was smitten with Ms. Palin.

[tv]

E.D. Hill, Bryant Killmead, Jane Skinner (the weather lady) and sometimes O'Riley and Greta.

I like Megan Kelley too. I enjoy Shepard Smith when he's really tired because he makes a lot of mistakes. I watch Sean Hannity when he has a guest on I really like but he's a little too gung-ho for me. I watch whoever has Dick Morris on. :)

[William Anthony]

You could possibly be right about the manager but whoever made the call did the right thing.

Legally, he's not guilty of murder but factually he is. That's my opinion.

Like I said, I do not know if he did it or not. I think Geraldo wants to be the biggest name on television, which is why he wrote his book. He still did not out do Magic Johnson and Wilt the Stilt. :)

[William Anthony]

I like Megan Kelley too. I enjoy Shepard Smith when he's really tired because he makes a lot of mistakes. I watch Sean Hannity when he has a guest on I really like but he's a little too gung-ho for me. I watch whoever has Dick Morris on. :)

I used to like Ms. Kelly but she refused intentionally to call President Elect Obama by that name and called him Mr. Obama. I do think she is pretty knowledgeable on the law but so is Ms. Whiel (sp). I forgot Shepard and yes I like him and think he doesn't much care what he says. Dick Morris is always good for a laugh. :)

[tv]

Like I said, I do not know if he did it or not. I think Geraldo wants to be the biggest name on television, which is why he wrote his book. He still did not out do Magic Johnson and Wilt the Stilt. :)

I didn't read Geraldo's book or Magic Johnson or Wilt Chamberlain. I have read some of Dick Morris' and O'Reilly's.

I think in your heart you do know whether or not he did it but that's your personal business. :)

[William Anthony]

I didn't read Geraldo's book or Magic Johnson or Wilt Chamberlain. I have read some of Dick Morris' and O'Reilly's.

I think in your heart you do know whether or not he did it but that's your personal business. :)

No, I honestly don't. They seem to all brag on their female conquests. I have not read them either and wonder, if any of them say how much money they spent. :)

[tv]

I used to like Ms. Kelly but she refused intentionally to call President Elect Obama by that name and called him Mr. Obama. I do think she is pretty knowledgeable on the law but so is Ms. Whiel (sp). I forgot Shepard and yes I like him and think he doesn't much care what he says. Dick Morris is always good for a laugh. :)

I think you'll understand if I don't address the Obama thing. :)

I suppose the rest of it is all personal preference.

[tv]

No, I honestly don't. They seem to all brag on their female conquests. I have not read them either and wonder, if any of them say how much money they spent. :)
I don't know but I'm sure they've spent plenty since they have plenty.

[William Anthony]

Mr. Goldman knows a lot about Simpson, saying this is the first time he has ever been punished for anything in his life and never done anything for anyone else in his whole life and is a useless piece of garbage. Fox gave Mr. Goldman a forum and he took full advantage of it.

[tv]

Mr. Goldman knows a lot about Simpson, saying this is the first time he has ever been punished for anything in his life and never done anything for anyone else in his whole life and is a useless piece of garbage. Fox gave Mr. Goldman a forum and he took full advantage of it.Good for him. :)

[William Anthony]

I don't know but I'm sure they've spent plenty since they have plenty.

Men very seldom say how much they spend on some items. Let me just say that I have spent my life thinking that men, who spend their money and consider it a conquest or something to brag about, are stupid.

[William Anthony]

Good for him. :)

Sad for Fox and him, imho. I guess it was good for ratings.

[tv]

Sad for Fox and him, imho.Watch out, William, your innermost thoughts are showing.

I doubt this will be the only network he goes on.

[William Anthony]

Watch out, William, your innermost thoughts are showing.

I doubt this will be the only network he goes on.

I have said that hatred is a useless emotion and it seems to distort the truth. Simpson may be a lot of things but he did help people out, his family, Kato and the Browns for example. Unless he lived in the same home and dormotory as Simpson, then I think he is not capable of making those statements.

[tv]

I have said that hatred is a useless emotion and it seems to distort the truth. Simpson may be a lot of things but he did help people out, his family, Kato and the Browns for example. Unless he lived in the same home and dormotory as Simpson, then I think he is not capable of making those statements.Many of the things he did were to benefit him in the long run but I'm not inclined to argue about it. I think Fred Goldman should be allowed some latitude due to his reason for his feelings about OJ Simpson.

[William Anthony]

Many of the things he did were to benefit him in the long run but I'm not inclined to argue about it. I think Fred Goldman should be allowed some latitude due to his reason for his feelings about OJ Simpson.

He had that latitude when he called him a SOB, a monster and was happy to see him behind bars. To allow hatred to make you say things that are not true, regardless of who may have benefited, is sad to me, because that hatred is seen as tainting the speaker.

[William Anthony]

I think I am now in favor of separation of church, state and the media.

[tv]

He had that latitude when he called him a SOB, a monster and was happy to see him behind bars. To allow hatred to make you say things that are not true, regardless of who may have benefited, is sad to me, because that hatred is seen as tainting the speaker.

I'm already aware that you and your unnamed friend on this forum prefer to blame Mr. Goldman for his disgust at OJ Simpson but I prefer to blame it on the murderer. I've also heard OJ Simpson on the airwaves talking about Fred Goldman in a similar manner. It looks to me as though OJ Simpson's hatred of Fred Goldman is what has landed him where he is today.

[utl768]

just of coursity but lets say 10 yrs down the line new evidence comes to light implicating somebody else to the murders of brown and goldman. what will fred goldman do at night? he has made a living ever since his son died of going on every talk show u can think of, now i feel his pain and no one wants to lose a kid but its getting old already he should move on and try to live his life in peace all the hatred he has for oj isnt gonna bring his son back

[utl768]

I'm already aware that you and your unnamed friend on this forum prefer to blame Mr. Goldman for his disgust at OJ Simpson but I prefer to blame it on the murderer. I've also heard OJ Simpson on the airwaves talking about Fred Goldman in a similar manner. It looks to me as though OJ Simpson's hatred of Fred Goldman is what has landed him where he is today.

ive never seen oj simpson once go on tv in a interview and refer to goldman as a sob or anything else to that likeness.

[tv]

ive never seen oj simpson once go on tv in a interview and refer to goldman as a sob or anything else to that likeness.

Then you missed it. I saw him interviewed leaving a golf course once and he was very nasty about Mr. Goldman.

[utl768]

Then you missed it. I saw him interviewed leaving a golf course once and he was very nasty about Mr. Goldman.

even so it seems goldman is on tv once every 2 weeks calling out simpson

[William Anthony]

I'm already aware that you and your unnamed friend on this forum prefer to blame Mr. Goldman for his disgust at OJ Simpson but I prefer to blame it on the murderer. I've also heard OJ Simpson on the airwaves talking about Fred Goldman in a similar manner. It looks to me as though OJ Simpson's hatred of Fred Goldman is what has landed him where he is today.

I have said that long ago. Hatred is useless no matter what the source. I am not blaming anyone. I am speaking of the senselessness of hatred. I think it was senseless to air it, whomsoever it came from. It serves only to further divide those who are already divided.

[tv]

just of coursity but lets say 10 yrs down the line new evidence comes to light implicating somebody else to the murders of brown and goldman. what will fred goldman do at night? he has made a living ever since his son died of going on every talk show u can think of, now i feel his pain and no one wants to lose a kid but its getting old already he should move on and try to live his life in peace all the hatred he has for oj isnt gonna bring his son back

No, he hasn't made his living going on talk shows. He has two real jobs.

[tv]

I have said that long ago. Hatred is useless no matter what the source. I am not blaming anyone. I am speaking of the senselessness of hatred. I think it was senseless to air it, whomsoever it came from. It serves only to further divide those who are already divided.

Who do you think it's dividing?

[William Anthony]

Who do you think it's dividing?

Those who think Simpson innocent and those who think him guilty.

[tv]

even so it seems goldman is on tv once every 2 weeks calling out simpsonNah, it just seems that way. :)

[William Anthony]

No, he hasn't made his living going on talk shows. He has two real jobs.

The television media do not have real jobs, or are you saying they need another one? :)

[tv]

Those who think Simpson innocent and those who think him guilty.That's just a difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

[tv]

The television media do not have real jobs, or are you saying they need another one? :)
To clarify I'm saying that Fred Goldman has two jobs and neither of them involve the media. :)

[William Anthony]

Nah, it just seems that way. :)

Yes, most of the time its just reruns. :)

[William Anthony]

To clarify I'm saying that Fred Goldman has two jobs and neither of them involve the media. :)

Okay, so those on television need to get two real jobs. :)

[William Anthony]

That's just a difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

Just look at some of these posts. :)

[tv]

Yes, most of the time its just reruns. :)
Exactly! ;)

[tv]

Just look at some of these posts. :)
It's hard to believe we disagree sometimes. :eek:

[William Anthony]

Exactly! ;)

Same old soup just a different day. :)