The Ring - Who has the ring?

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Court order bars O.J. Simpson from selling ring

As O.J. Simpson sits in jail in Nevada, his Pro Football Hall of Fame ring has become the object of a custody battle in California, where a judge ordered Friday that a memorabilia dealer hand it over.

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Following a hearing that lasted no more than five minutes, Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg ordered that Beardsley, 46, appear in his courtroom Nov. 19 and produce the ring. He also ordered Simpson, who is in jail in Las Vegas awaiting sentencing, to not make any effort to dispose of the ring.

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9/13/07: Crimes committed.
9/16/07: Simpson arrested on Sunday.
9/19/07: Beardsley arrested and taken into custody.
9/19/07: Simpson’s released Wednesday on $125K bail.

9/19/07: From People Magazine, http://www.people.com/people/article...057680,00.html

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I found this interesting and have been trying to read up on it. I think it makes sense for Beardsley to have the ring. I could never understand why he changed his story so quickly. He calls 911 to report a robbery and then a few days later he just wants it to "go away." Something made him change his tune and I think a ring worth $50,000 would be reason enough for a sleazy guy like him. Novemeber 19 should be an interesting day in court.

What do you think about Yale Gallanter possibly being involved?

[weezer]

I found this interesting and have been trying to read up on it. I think it makes sense for Beardsley to have the ring. I could never understand why he changed his story so quickly. He calls 911 to report a robbery and then a few days later he just wants it to "go away." Something made him change his tune and I think a ring worth $50,000 would be reason enough for a sleazy guy like him. Novemeber 19 should be an interesting day in court.

What do you think about Yale Gallanter possibly being involved?

I believe that orenthal's late night call from jail where he talked to arnelle and told her to get 'it' from his dresser drawer and that if 'it' wasn't there to ask christy because she would know where 'it' is/could be and in the same call he told her he'd talked to beardsley and if/when beardsley changed his story, half of the charges against orenthal would go away. orenthal also told arnelle that he had told beardsley that arnelle would get in contact with him.

I think there is something very strange about that call -- something I can't quite put my finger on. . .

some folks believe that yale could be in lots of trouble over the whole business dealings between him and orenthal. . .

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I believe that orenthal's late night call from jail where he talked to arnelle and told her to get 'it' from his dresser drawer and that if 'it' wasn't there to ask christy because she would know where 'it' is/could be and in the same call he told her he'd talked to beardsley and if/when beardsley changed his story, half of the charges against orenthal would go away. orenthal also told arnelle that he had told beardsley that arnelle would get in contact with him.

I think there is something very strange about that call -- something I can't quite put my finger on. . .

some folks believe that yale could be in lots of trouble over the whole business dealings between him and orenthal. . .

This is really an interesting twist in the story. As usual, Arnelle is in it up to her eyeballs.

Was this done before it was known there were audio tapes of the crime?

[weezer]

This is really an interesting twist in the story. As usual, Arnelle is in it up to her eyeballs.

Was this done before it was known there were audio tapes of the crime?

popular belief is that the conversations between orenthal and beardsley happened before he was arrested but the phone call between orenthal and arnelle happened while he was in jail (phone call recorded). He's been in jail enough to know that the calls are recorded so I was surprised he would give her that message -- he had to have known he was in deep doo to risk it.

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popular belief is that the conversations between orenthal and beardsley happened before he was arrested but the phone call between orenthal and arnelle happened while he was in jail (phone call recorded). He's been in jail enough to know that the calls are recorded so I was surprised he would give her that message -- he had to have known he was in deep doo to risk it.I guess he decided his goose was cooked unless he could get Beardsley to change his story so he took the chance. He knew his cohort Arnelle wouldn't let him down. I think Christie should have to testify about what she knows about the ring also.

[weezer]

I guess he decided his goose was cooked unless he could get Beardsley to change his story so he took the chance. He knew his cohort Arnelle wouldn't let him down. I think Christie should have to testify about what she knows about the ring also.

the conversation tells you the depth of his ignorance -- he thought if beardsley dropped the charges, he'd get out of it.

you can hear his sister, christie and arnelle on the tapes from before the robbery and orenthal said yale had advised him against going after the stuff.

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the conversation tells you the depth of his ignorance -- he thought if beardsley dropped the charges, he'd get out of it.

you can hear his sister, christie and arnelle on the tapes from before the robbery and orenthal said yale had advised him against going after the stuff.

If Yale had already advised him not to go after the stuff then he knew it was wrong. He acts like he can't believe he was charged with anything. IMO, he should be thanking God every day that he got out of a double murder charge. Instead, he carries on in the the same arrogant way he always has. He's ignorant about many things including trusting a guy who has already called 911 on him. Then old Beardsley just couldn't keep his mouth shut. This story just gets better and better!

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If Yale had already advised him not to go after the stuff then he knew it was wrong. He acts like he can't believe he was charged with anything. IMO, he should be thanking God every day that he got out of a double murder charge. Instead, he carries on in the the same arrogant way he always has. He's ignorant about many things including trusting a guy who has already called 911 on him. Then old Beardsley just couldn't keep his mouth shut. This story just gets better and better!

did you hear the part on the tape where beardsley/fromong(?) talked about yale running interference on contact before the robbery? then someone else talks about giving yale money but orenthal said he never got it.

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did you hear the part on the tape where beardsley/fromong(?) talked about yale running interference on contact before the robbery? then someone else talks about giving yale money but orenthal said he never got it.
No, I didn't hear that part. Do you still have the link?

[weezer]

No, I didn't hear that part. Do you still have the link?

this is the link to all of the tapes and documents -- I don't remember which one the conversation is on but it's either just before or just after the robbery takes place and it's just riccio, beardsley and fromong in the room. it's the same conversation where fromong makes the statements about helping orenthal with the offshore accounts, etc.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Simpson/Simpson.html

some of the first tapes are by the pool and phones conversations before the robbery -- including the mcclinton tape.

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this is the link to all of the tapes and documents -- I don't remember which one the conversation is on but it's either just before or just after the robbery takes place and it's just riccio, beardsley and fromong in the room. it's the same conversation where fromong makes the statements about helping orenthal with the offshore accounts, etc.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Simpson/Simpson.html

some of the first tapes are by the pool and phones conversations before the robbery -- including the mcclinton tape.

Thanks, weezer. I'm going to do some listening.

[weezer]

Thanks, weezer. I'm going to do some listening.

LOL --- it's transcripts. . . .but lots of reading required. I started with the first tape but you'll know which one I'm talking about about when you see it. If I can figure it out before then, I'll let you know.

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LOL --- it's transcripts. . . .but lots of reading required. I started with the first tape but you'll know which one I'm talking about about when you see it. If I can figure it out before then, I'll let you know.

LOL, yes I figured that out when I got there. It will be a lot of reading. I read some of this before then I lost the link...it's interesting so far. It's very telling when they say they have to decide what their story is going to be.

[weezer]

from the mcclinton tape -- wonder what 'it' he gave to his lawyer and did he give 'it' to his lawyer:

Simpson: ___ gets you walkin' in ___ walked in and walked out we are carrying boxes.

McClinton: Yeah, just like that. But you know what they know is he gonna come in where is boxes. What'd ya do with the ___,

Simpson: I gave it to my lawyer say ______. I said youu all can have all of this, I just didn't want them to have it.

?: Yeah

Simpson: And I knew, to be honest with you. I knew now the Goldman's would get it and sell it and so I, I told these guys do whatever you wanna do with it.

McClinton: Take it and have a good time with it.

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from the mcclinton tape -- wonder what 'it' he gave to his lawyer and did he give 'it' to his lawyer:

Simpson: ___ gets you walkin' in ___ walked in and walked out we are carrying boxes.

McClinton: Yeah, just like that. But you know what they know is he gonna come in where is boxes. What'd ya do with the ___,

Simpson: I gave it to my lawyer say ______. I said youu all can have all of this, I just didn't want them to have it.

?: Yeah

Simpson: And I knew, to be honest with you. I knew now the Goldman's would get it and sell it and so I, I told these guys do whatever you wanna do with it.

McClinton: Take it and have a good time with it.
Hmm, not sure what the 'it' is but he sure didn't want Fred Goldman to have 'it' to help pay off his legitimate legal obligation to him. It's not enough that he killed his son -- he now does whatever he can to thwart the collection of his debt.

Whatever 'it' is McClinton seems to think you can fun with it.

[weezer]

Hmm, not sure what the 'it' is but he sure didn't want Fred Goldman to have 'it' to help pay off his legitimate legal obligation to him. It's not enough that he killed his son -- he now does whatever he can to thwart the collection of his debt.

Whatever 'it' is McClinton seems to think you can fun with it.

This raises a couple of questions for me:

1. Was yale in vegas? and, if not, who was the lawyer orenthal gave 'it' to?
2. and if he meant he gave the stuff they took from the room to the 'guys', doesn't that negate his argument that he was only retrieving his personal belongings?

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This raises a couple of questions for me:

1. Was yale in vegas? and, if not, who was the lawyer orenthal gave 'it' to?
2. and if he meant he gave the stuff they took from the room to the 'guys', doesn't that negate his argument that he was only retrieving his personal belongings?

Good questions. Why would Yale be in Vegas and why would he give his personal belongings that he claims were stolen from him to anyone else? IMO, there is way more to this whole thing than has come to light yet.

[martin II]

The above posts/ideas sound like good material for Marvel Comics or some other comic book publication.:cool:

[weezer]

Good questions. Why would Yale be in Vegas and why would he give his personal belongings that he claims were stolen from him to anyone else? IMO, there is way more to this whole thing than has come to light yet.

maybe it wasn't -- I remember reading that orenthal said his lawyer advised him against doing the robbery

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maybe it wasn't -- I remember reading that orenthal said his lawyer advised him against doing the robbery

Possibly these were lawyers that Yale directed Simpson to after the robbery before he was in Vegas. There are still a lot of IFs in this story and we all know Old Man IF died stiff. :tongue:

[weezer]

wonder if christie, arnelle, and orenthal's sister were interviewed by LE? they all show up on the tape in varying degrees of culpability.

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wonder if christie, arnelle, and orenthal's sister were interviewed by LE? they all show up on the tape in varying degrees of culpability.

If not, they should have been. They're probably all three in with Simpson up to their eyeballs. Is that the same sister that did the phony collapsing act in the courtroom when the verdicts were read?

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I don't know what will happen on the 19th but it should prove interesting. I believe the ring was given to beardsley to shut him up. What I'm trying to figure out now is when and by whom.

I do wonder if the statements from tapes open up the opportunity for the civil courts to pull up those disclosure statements signed by orenthal, his family and friends that they didn't have any of the stuff and didn't know where any of the stuff was. Some of those folks might be in trouble with the courts for lying? :eek:

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I don't know what will happen on the 19th but it should prove interesting. I believe the ring was given to beardsley to shut him up. What I'm trying to figure out now is when and by whom.

I do wonder if the statements from tapes open up the opportunity for the civil courts to pull up those disclosure statements signed by orenthal, his family and friends that they didn't have any of the stuff and didn't know where any of the stuff was. Some of those folks might be in trouble with the courts for lying? :eek:

I think the ring went to Beardsley to shut him up also. Nothing else makes any sense. He turned on a dime in his attitude about what happened. Mike Gilbert admitted on Dr. Phil that he lied and I'm sure he's not the only one -- he must might be the only one that has admitted it so far.

[weezer]

I think the ring went to Beardsley to shut him up also. Nothing else makes any sense. He turned on a dime in his attitude about what happened. Mike Gilbert admitted on Dr. Phil that he lied and I'm sure he's not the only one -- he must might be the only one that has admitted it so far.

if you listen to fromong on the tapes, he lied for orenthal also. he lied about knowing where stuff was and he lied about the $$.

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if you listen to fromong on the tapes, he lied for orenthal also. he lied about knowing where stuff was and he lied about the $$.

We see the type of people that OJ Simpson surrounds himself with. You know the old saying "if they'll do it with you they'll do it to you" really holds true in this case. IMO, Fromong didn't steal anything. Simpson was getting rid of stuff to keep it out of Fred Goldman's hands and lost track of some of it. He might even have gotten some sympathy if not for committing armed robbery.

[weezer]

We see the type of people that OJ Simpson surrounds himself with. You know the old saying "if they'll do it with you they'll do it to you" really holds true in this case. IMO, Fromong didn't steal anything. Simpson was getting rid of stuff to keep it out of Fred Goldman's hands and lost track of some of it. He might even have gotten some sympathy if not for committing armed robbery.

evidently orenthal stiffed gilbert for $$ then gilbert stiffed fromong for $$

looks like nobody wanted to part with cash but were using the 'stuff' like it was money.

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evidently orenthal stiffed gilbert for $$ then gilbert stiffed fromong for $$

looks like nobody wanted to part with cash but were using the 'stuff' like it was money.

They're all shady characters and there's probably much more that we'll never know about. I still believe Simpson would have pushed it with LE if he really thought the 'stuff' was legally his.

[weezer]

Wednesday, November 19

Soooo -- it is on the calendar for 8:30 A.M. (Pacific Time). Judge Rosenberg (?) said no cameras and I can't find anything on any of the normal sites other than 'we'll report as needed.' Anyone else interested can rely on (and keep checking) the home page of the Las Vegas Review-Journal for news and/or KTLA. I know I will. ;)

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Wednesday, November 19

Soooo -- it is on the calendar for 8:30 A.M. (Pacific Time). Judge Rosenberg (?) said no cameras and I can't find anything on any of the normal sites other than 'we'll report as needed.' Anyone else interested can rely on (and keep checking) the home page of the Las Vegas Review-Journal for news and/or KTLA. I know I will. ;)

Thanks, weezer. I'm going to check in with trutv too. Maybe they'll say something about it.

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So has anyone heard if Alfred Beardsley was able to make it to court today from his cell in CA where he's incarcerated on a parole violation? A conviction for stalking a woman, oh yeah, a real reputable guy. :rolleyes:

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So has anyone heard if Alfred Beardsley was able to make it to court today from his cell in CA where he's incarcerated on a parole violation? A conviction for stalking a woman, oh yeah, a real reputable guy. :rolleyes:

not a word -- dadgummit!

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not a word -- dadgummit!

So, what happened? Was it continued? :shrug:

[weezer]

So, what happened? Was it continued? :shrug:

I can't find a word about it. strange -- makes you wonder what else is going on -- :eek:

[weezer]

this is the only thing I've seen: "The 11/19/08 hearing was continued to December. I don't have a date, but that's why there's been "no news".

I'm trying to find something on the continuance but so far no luck.

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this is the only thing I've seen: "The 11/19/08 hearing was continued to December. I don't have a date, but that's why there's been "no news".

I'm trying to find something on the continuance but so far no luck.

Thanks, weezer. :)

[weezer]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/oj-simpsons-sen.html

"The mystery of O.J. Simpson's Hall of Fame ring

O.J. Simpson’s sentencing next Friday in Las Vegas will lock in the former NFL star’s location for years if not decades, but whereabouts of one of his treasured possession, his Hall of Fame ring, remains a mystery.

A judge in Santa Monica had set a hearing for last week on efforts to seize Simpson’s Canton bauble, but the proceeding was postponed because the star witness is behind bars. . . .

The hearing is set for one week later, Dec. 12."

[weezer]

Thanks for the update on when the hearing is scheduled. Who's got the ring? I'd reckon you'd look somewhere in the Simpson family and you'd be close.

I don't know how anyone can ever find out if beardsley was telling the truth except it's made the ring no good to orenthal or anyone he may have promised it to. we'll see.

[weezer]

looks like orenthal and his accomplices will be sentenced before beardsley's court date. wonder if that will have any bearing on what's told to the court?

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looks like orenthal and his accomplices will be sentenced before beardsley's court date. wonder if that will have any bearing on what's told to the court?Good question. If Simpson did give him the ring he must be kicking himself now because Beardsley's changed story certainly didn't help his case.

[weezer]

Good question. If Simpson did give him the ring he must be kicking himself now because Beardsley's changed story certainly didn't help his case.

I agree. I do think that the jail call between orenthal and arnelle where he tells her to get 'it' and that he told beardsley that she'll be contacting him certainly seems suspect --

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I agree. I do think that the jail call between orenthal and arnelle where he tells her to get 'it' and that he told beardsley that she'll be contacting him certainly seems suspect --
I can't think of any reason he should have been communicating with Beardsley even through another party other than it had to do with 'it' and the case.

[weezer]

I can't think of any reason he should have been communicating with Beardsley even through another party other than it had to do with 'it' and the case.

there wouldn't be any other reason --

beardsley is a pretty weird duck so goodness only knows what he'll come up with at the hearing -- I remember from the tapes orenthal laughing about beardsley wanting some jacket or something. . . .

[weezer]

you know, I was thinking -- what do you suppose in orenthal's history made him think he could bribe a witness? you don't suppose that's happened before do you?

[weezer]

I also think it would be interesting to see what/if role ap reporter Linda Deutsch played in this whole thing. There was a bunch of calls between her/orenthal and her/beardsley right after. I'm going to look up her info because I do think I remember her from other articles on orenthal. . .

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ahh -- seems she has been and evidently still is a big orenthal proponent. go figure.

I still think it's odd that she would be talking to orenthal and beardsley right after. I mean, someone had to start that ball rolling. do you suppose orenthal contacted her to be the go-between?

[weezer]

The mystery of O.J. Simpson's Hall of Fame ring
7:42 AM, November 25, 2008
O.J. Simpson’s sentencing next Friday in Las Vegas will lock in the former NFL star’s location for years if not decades, but whereabouts of one of his treasured possession, his Hall of Fame ring, remains a mystery.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/oj-simpsons-sen.html

I wonder if the timing for the hearing with beardsley has anything to do with orenthal's sentencing date happening first?

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Simpson 'lost' the ring? Only someone that doesn't know his controlling and obsessively neat personality would believe that. Even if Beardsley doesn't have the ring there is no way I believe it's lost.

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Simpson 'lost' the ring? Only someone that doesn't know his controlling and obsessively neat personality would believe that. Even if Beardsley doesn't have the ring there is no way I believe it's lost.

I think the popular consensus is orenthal has been lying about the ring. We know that he was psychotic about Mr. Goldman getting anything that he thought belonged to him.

[weezer]

Hearings

Beardsley/ring Dec. 12.

Restitution Dec 19th.

[martin II]

fumong and beadsley have said everything but the Montana stuff belongs to oj. how does glass know better.

[weezer]

Clark County - very, very interesting. Love the Exhibit!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/C237890/State's%20Opposition%20to%20Simpson%20Bail%20Motio n.pdf

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Clark County - very, very interesting. Love the Exhibit!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/C237890/State's%20Opposition%20to%20Simpson%20Bail%20Motio n.pdf

Very interesting...and it looks like Galanter and Grasso were doing a little wheeling and dealing of their own. We still don't know for sure how Beardsley got the ring...I still think the ring is 'it'.

[weezer]

Beardsley pleads the 5th!

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December 12, 2008

SANTA MONICA -- A judge in Santa Monica has ordered a former friend of O.J. Simpson to turn over the ex-NFL star's Pro Football Hall of Fame ring to help satisfy a $33.5 million civil court judgment in a wrongful death lawsuit.

Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg on Friday ordered memorabilia dealer Alfred Beardsley to turn over the ring in a week. But Alfred Beardsley -- who was one of the victims in a Las Vegas armed robbery that landed Simpson in prison -- denied outside court that he has the ring.

Beardsley was called into court by attorneys for Fred Goldman, whose son, Ron Goldman, was stabbed to death in 1994 alongside Simpson's ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson. Simpson was acquitted in criminal court in 1995 but lost a civil wrongful death suit in 1997.

Goldman attorney David Cook filed papers saying Beardsley knows about property belonging to Simpson that could be applied toward the wrongful death judgment. The attorney also states that Beardsley may have control over some of Simpson's property, including the Pro Football Hall of Fame ring.

On the stand, Beardsley repeatedly invoked the Fifth Amendment and refused to answer questions about the ring. But outside court after the hearing, Beardsley's attorney, Jack Swickard, said his client did not have the ring and "can't turn over something he doesn't have."

An investigator from Las Vegas testified during the hearing, however, that Beardsley was given the ring by Simpson, 61, in exchange for altering his testimony in the armed-robbery case.

Simpson was sentenced last week to at least nine years in prison for an armed robbery of Beardsley and others in a Palace Station hotel room in Las Vegas.

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Beardsley pleads the 5th!

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December 12, 2008

SANTA MONICA -- A judge in Santa Monica has ordered a former friend of O.J. Simpson to turn over the ex-NFL star's Pro Football Hall of Fame ring to help satisfy a $33.5 million civil court judgment in a wrongful death lawsuit.

Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg on Friday ordered memorabilia dealer Alfred Beardsley to turn over the ring in a week. But Alfred Beardsley -- who was one of the victims in a Las Vegas armed robbery that landed Simpson in prison -- denied outside court that he has the ring.

Beardsley was called into court by attorneys for Fred Goldman, whose son, Ron Goldman, was stabbed to death in 1994 alongside Simpson's ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson. Simpson was acquitted in criminal court in 1995 but lost a civil wrongful death suit in 1997.

Goldman attorney David Cook filed papers saying Beardsley knows about property belonging to Simpson that could be applied toward the wrongful death judgment. The attorney also states that Beardsley may have control over some of Simpson's property, including the Pro Football Hall of Fame ring.

On the stand, Beardsley repeatedly invoked the Fifth Amendment and refused to answer questions about the ring. But outside court after the hearing, Beardsley's attorney, Jack Swickard, said his client did not have the ring and "can't turn over something he doesn't have."

An investigator from Las Vegas testified during the hearing, however, that Beardsley was given the ring by Simpson, 61, in exchange for altering his testimony in the armed-robbery case.

Simpson was sentenced last week to at least nine years in prison for an armed robbery of Beardsley and others in a Palace Station hotel room in Las Vegas.


Looks like another dead end for fred and another lawyers bill.

[weezer]

Looks like another dead end for fred and another lawyers bill.

oh, I wouldn't give up just yet. I doubt that beardsley did anything less than what was expected by the Goldmans. you have to admit, it is interesting that he plead the 5th when it came to answering questions about the ring. I do know how you feel about people pleading the 5th!

[martin II]

oh, I wouldn't give up just yet. I doubt that beardsley did anything less than what was expected by the Goldmans. you have to admit, it is interesting that he plead the 5th when it came to answering questions about the ring. I do know how you feel about people pleading the 5th!

How did you feel about furhman taking the fifth.you protected his right then right. Beaddsley has a constitutional right to do so.

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oh, I wouldn't give up just yet. I doubt that beardsley did anything less than what was expected by the Goldmans. you have to admit, it is interesting that he plead the 5th when it came to answering questions about the ring. I do know how you feel about people pleading the 5th!

It's obvious he took the 5th because he doesn't want to give up the ring or admit he took a bribe. He could be facing a felony charge of perjury. Bribing a witness is very serious and it could mean even more time for our favorite felon. Wow, does OJ Simpson ever just play it straight?

[martin II]

There are some that believe that split toungr furhman took the 5th because he did not want to answer questions about other illegal stuff he had done.

[William Anthony]

Here is the text of the 5th Amendment and it brings up a question on inexact language, original intent, interpretation and common law.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

The question I ask myself is should the protections afforded apply only to a person who has been charged other than by presentment or indictment of crime. I understand the common law application but I am interested in the use of the semi-colon and wonder if someone more versed in punctuation can assist me in understanding its use. This is what I found and it appears that the use of the semi colon would connect the sentences to the person accused by presentment or indictment. I hope someone can help.

http://www.essortment.com/all/semicolon_rcnr.htm

[William Anthony]

What was the criminal case that allowed Beardsley to plead the fifth, i.e meaning what criminal case was being tried at that time?

[martin II]

What was the criminal case that allowed Beardsley to plead the fifth, i.e meaning what criminal case was being tried at that time?

Weezer

what criminal case

[William Anthony]

Weezer

what criminal case

This is what I mean. The law seems to have deteriorated in some sense by accepted traditions. Without their being a formal criminal charge against someone, I fail to see how the privilege was available to Beardsley. I can see the stretch, imho, of the interpretation to allow it to be available to MF. It is my understanding that a preliminary hearing is held to see, if there is enough evidence to bring a charge. Was this a preliminary hearing? The whole thing just seems odd to me and I am unsure at present whether a person can be compelled at a preliminary hearing to testify and, as I understand it, a charge would have been tentatively submitted. I don't think the preliminary hearing is a mechanism to gain evidence but a mechanism to present evidence to sustain a prima facie case against an accused, or suspect if you will. I am just confused as to the type of hearing this was. This comports with my understanding of a preliminary hearing.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1721/Preliminary-Hearing.html

[William Anthony]

I found this, which states that there is a rumor of a grand jury investigation. It would now seem that Beardsley had no right to invoke the 5th, since there was no criminal case. This is the legal definition that I found for a criminal case.

http://www.thereporter.com/wirenews/ci_11224881

"Beardsley's attorney Jack Swickard said he had advised Beardsley to invoke the Fifth Amendment because he had heard rumors that a grand jury investigation was under way in Las Vegas into possible witness tampering by Simpson."


http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/10B689CB-DF46-49A7-A3BEBF697383CE86

I think the whole thing was very irregular.

[martin II]

I found this, which states that there is a rumor of a grand jury investigation. It would now seem that Beardsley had no right to invoke the 5th, since there was no criminal case. This is the legal definition that I found for a criminal case.

http://www.thereporter.com/wirenews/ci_11224881

"Beardsley's attorney Jack Swickard said he had advised Beardsley to invoke the Fifth Amendment because he had heard rumors that a grand jury investigation was under way in Las Vegas into possible witness tampering by Simpson."


http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/10B689CB-DF46-49A7-A3BEBF697383CE86

I think the whole thing was very irregular.


William

I though prisons take and keep all valuables from prisoners during incarseration time.So how is that Beadsley could have received a valuable ring from oj while he has in jail.

so this investigator is interjecting himself into the process of assisting fred in collecting money AND cooking up another charge against oj for more time.

Something wrong here.:shrug:

[martin II]

I guess this means that fred will sue the prison system to force them to give him the .83 cent per day paid to oj and deprive oj of tooth paste money.

[William Anthony]

William

I though prisons take and keep all valuables from prisoners during incarseration time.So how is that Beadsley could have received a valuable ring from oj while he has in jail.

so this investigator is interjecting himself into the process of assisting fred in collecting money AND cooking up another charge against oj for more time.

Something wrong here.:shrug:

I am really confused as to how any judge could have accepted the fact that Beardsley was allowed to take the 5th, since there was no criminal case. I think it is tantamount to an abuse of the system. I think the hearing was used more as an investigative tool rather than what it was designed for but I am uncertain as to the purpose of the hearing. It would appear that it was designed to see, if Beardsley had any knowledge of property that was unlawfully withheld from the Goldman's but not that he has been charged with unlawfully assisting in the withholding the property. It seems to me that it was just an exercise in attempting to validate rumors and/or hearsay. I am totally confused.

[martin II]

I am really confused as to how any judge could have accepted the fact that Beardsley was allowed to take the 5th, since there was no criminal case. I think it is tantamount to an abuse of the system. I think the hearing was used more as an investigative tool rather than what it was designed for but I am uncertain as to the purpose of the hearing. It would appear that it was designed to see, if Beardsley had any knowledge of property that was unlawfully withheld from the Goldman's but not that he has been charged with unlawfully assisting in the withholding the property. It seems to me that it was just an exercise in attempting to validate rumors and/or hearsay. I am totally confused.

In the past, anytime fred was asking for something belonging to oj he went to this CA judge. Like when fred claimed he had a right to a watch he had seen on ojs wrist in a picture. I think only lawyers were present at this 'hearing' or meeting.The judge gave the watch back to oj.

If the above report is true it seems that this judge called another hearing and
put this vegas investigator on the stand to make a claim against Beadsley and put Beadsley on the stand to respond.Beadsley decided to take the 5th.

It seems this is a vegas effort to charge oj with something else.
If beadsley does not have the ring he cannot produce it regardless of what the vegas investigator claims.If Beadsley made the statement it could have been him bragging and boasting and he can say that he was not under oath.

[martin II]

currently oj can only be visited by his lawyer. no other visitors allowed.

Some human rights groups believe the type cell he is assigned to is designed
cause persons to loose mental balance.

[William Anthony]

In the past, anytime fred was asking for something belonging to oj he went to this CA judge. Like when fred claimed he had a right to a watch he had seen on ojs wrist in a picture. I think only lawyers were present at this 'hearing' or meeting.The judge gave the watch back to oj.

If the above report is true it seems that this judge called another hearing and
put this vegas investigator on the stand to make a claim against Beadsley and put Beadsley on the stand to respond.Beadsley decided to take the 5th.

It seems this is a vegas effort to charge oj with something else.
If beadsley does not have the ring he cannot produce it regardless of what the vegas investigator claims.If Beadsley made the statement it could have been him bragging and boasting and he can say that he was not under oath.

The link said the investigator did not advise Beardsley of his Miranda rights because he was not the target of an investigation. It would appear to me that the investigator was with LE or how would he be transporting Beardsley. There is no doubt that Beardsley was in custody, although he may have blurted out the information, without being asked. There are just so many questions about this whole thing. If he was not the target, then they would not have been seeking to charge him at the point he testified and would further reduce the possibility that he was testifying in any criminal case. I don't understand how the 5th could be extended to any possible criminal case. I think then any witness could plead the 5th in any type of case or hearing. It is my understanding that the Miranda rights are applicable to custodial arrests and detentions. I am even more confused.

[William Anthony]

If there was a grand jury investigation going on, why was Beardsley not summoned to appear before it and give testimony? :shrug:

[martin II]

The link said the investigator did not advise Beardsley of his Miranda rights because he was not the target of an investigation. It would appear to me that the investigator was with LE or how would he be transporting Beardsley. There is no doubt that Beardsley was in custody, although he may have blurted out the information, without being asked. There are just so many questions about this whole thing. If he was not the target, then they would not have been seeking to charge him at the point he testified and would further reduce the possibility that he was testifying in any criminal case. I don't understand how the 5th could be extended to any possible criminal case. I think then any witness could plead the 5th in any type of case or hearing. It is my understanding that the Miranda rights are applicable to custodial arrests and detentions. I am even more confused.

I am under the impression that prisoners are transported to and from court by prision guards not local police investigators. I see those department of corrections buses driving down the expressway all the time going to or comming from a court house.

Unless this investigator was a plant to make a claim Beadsley made such a statement so as to eventually make a charge that oj tampered with a witness.But that would mean that Beadsley lied on the stand when he testified.

[martin II]

If there was a grand jury investigation going on, why was Beardsley not summoned to appear before it and give testimony? :shrug:

Would a grand jury investigation be called about who has a ring? Or about a rummor that oj talked to Besdsley by phone?

[William Anthony]

I am under the impression that prisoners are transported to and from court by prision guards not local police investigators. I see those department of corrections buses driving down the expressway all the time going to or comming from a court house.

Unless this investigator was a plant to make a claim Beadsley made such a statement so as to eventually make a charge that oj tampered with a witness.But that would mean that Beadsley lied on the stand when he testified.

According to my understanding, rights are being given and taken away that might be in direct conflict with the law. The whole thing just seems bizarre. I guess the whole thing may be moot, since nothing happened of substance. However, I have some concerns that it may set a trend.

[William Anthony]

Would a grand jury investigation be called about who has a ring? Or about a rummor that oj talked to Besdsley by phone?

I think it is in regard to possible witness tampering, bribing of a witness.

[William Anthony]

Here is another thing. If taking the 5th is not supposed to show guilt, then how can the judge order Beardsley to turn over the ring? It would seem to me that he determined that Beardsley had the ring. I see this as another erosion of legal principles.

[martin II]

I think it is in regard to possible witness tampering, bribing of a witness.

I don't believe a witness can take the 5th in a grand jury hearing.
McClinton and Alexander tried sell their testimony and vegas le has a tape of their effort to do so.

[William Anthony]

I don't believe a witness can take the 5th in a grand jury hearing.
McClinton and Alexander tried sell their testimony and vegas le has a tape of their effort to do so.

I do believe they can and here is the link but I think that would have been a more proper place to invoke the privilege.

http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/fifth-amendment

[weezer]

currently oj can only be visited by his lawyer. no other visitors allowed.

Some human rights groups believe the type cell he is assigned to is designed
cause persons to loose mental balance.

thanks martin -- this started my day with a hearty laugh out loud! :biggrin:

[William Anthony]

I don't believe a witness can take the 5th in a grand jury hearing.
McClinton and Alexander tried sell their testimony and vegas le has a tape of their effort to do so.

Martin,

I do understand and would agree with you that, under a strict reading of the amendment, it would seem that it was not applicable in the GJ. However, case law/common law have interpreted things in the way they see fit. I think this can lead to increasing or decreasing our rights, depending on the ideology of the judge interpreting the law. My particular ideology is that the law should be expanded when it comes to individual liberties and hence, I would agree that the privilege should extend to GJ proceedings. However, if the law is to search for the truth, then it can be argued that it should not.

[martin II]

thanks martin -- this started my day with a hearty laugh out loud! :biggrin:

I think that all convicted criminals must still be considered human and should be treated as such. The objective of prison time is not to destroy a human life regardless of what you may think.imo

[martin II]

Here is another thing. If taking the 5th is not supposed to show guilt, then how can the judge order Beardsley to turn over the ring? It would seem to me that he determined that Beardsley had the ring. I see this as another erosion of legal principles.

It seems that the judge was saying ok if you take the 5th i am going to force you to give the court the item you did not want to answer questions about and that i think you have.

[William Anthony]

It seems that the judge was saying ok if you take the 5th i am going to force you to give the court the item you did not want to answer questions about and that i think you have.

I think the instruction for the trier of fact is that you are not to infer anything about guilt or innocence by a person pleading the 5th. I would assume and am almost certain that there was no jury present in this hearing and the judge was the trier of fact. It seems the judge ignored the standard instruction but I do not have the exact wording of the order. It may have said, if you have the ring, you are to turn it over. I reiterate the the whole thing is bizarre and borders on childish and ridiculous, imho. If that was the wording, I see no sense in it. Why not write an order that, if anyone has the ring, they are to turn it over, or, if I believe you have the ring, you are to turn it over?:)

[William Anthony]

I think that all convicted criminals must still be considered human and should be treated as such. The objective of prison time is not to destroy a human life regardless of what you may think.imo

I think the current theory is that it is for punishment, deterrence and rehabilitation.

[martin II]

Currently Beadsley took the 5th in a CA Superior court about the ring.A CA investigator transported Beadsley to court and testified that Beadsley said he had the ring.I am not sure Beadsley mentionioned how he got the ring.
If oj gave Beadsley the ring,witness tamperng maby, this must have happened in Vegas after the hotel event and before Beadsley was put in Jail in Ca.
So where will the GJ , if true, be convened?

[martin II]

it was the Vegas DA that tipped off freds lawyers that Beadsley had the ring.

[martin II]

I think the current theory is that it is for punishment, deterrence and rehabilitation.

Within the bounds of human treatment standards set by AI.

[William Anthony]

Currently Beadsley took the 5th in a CA Superior court about the ring.A CA investigator transported Beadsley to court and testified that Beadsley said he had the ring.I am not sure Beadsley mentionioned how he got the ring.
If oj gave Beadsley the ring,witness tamperng maby, this must have happened in Vegas after the hotel event and before Beadsley was put in Jail in Ca.
So where will the GJ , if true, be convened?

I would guess that, since the alleged crime occurred in Nevada, the GJ would have to convene in Nevada.

[martin II]

I would guess that, since the alleged crime occurred in Nevada, the GJ would have to convene in Nevada.

And Beadsleys taking the 5th action in the CA case is automatically transfered to vegas if there is a GJ there?

[William Anthony]

And Beadsleys taking the 5th action in the CA case is automatically transfered to vegas if there is a GJ there?

No, but judging from how this has been handled thus far, it might be. :)

[martin II]

------------------------

"You can't turn over what you don't have," said lawyer Jack Swickard.

"The minute he would have gotten the ring, he would have tried to sell it and tell the world about it."

Beardsley, one of the memorabilia dealers held at gunpoint during the robbery, was a reluctant witness at the trial.

He shocked prosecutors when he altered his testimony that someone had tampered with an audio-tape recording of the stickup, evidence crucial to the prosecution's case.

Later, Falkner drove him back to a prison where Beardsley was serving time for a parole violation. "My concern in that vehicle was witness tampering by Mr. Simpson," he said.

That's when Beardsley allegedly confessed that he struck a deal with Simpson to lie on the stand in return for the ring.

Last week a judge sentenced Simpson to prison for up to 33 years.
-------------------------

The prosecution was angry with Beadsley for his testimony so out came the investigator with the story about what he said Beadsley said. Good way to pay Beadsley back imo

[weezer]

snip*snip*[QUOTE=martin II;9145495"You can't turn over what you don't have," said lawyer Jack Swickard. . ."[/QUOTE]

doesn't mean he wasn't promised the ring :eek:

orenthal took a big risk using the taped phone calls from jail to tell arnelle that he had told beardsley she would be in touch with him and where to get 'it' -- whatever 'it' was.

then there's the flurry of calls between orenthal and deutsch and deutsch and beardsley -- makes you go hmmmm

[martin II]

Beardsley's lawyer said his client doesn't have the ring.

"You can't turn over what you don't have," said lawyer Jack Swickard.

"The minute he would have gotten the ring, he would have tried to sell it and tell the world about it."

Beardsley, one of the memorabilia dealers held at gunpoint during the robbery, was a reluctant witness at the trial.

He shocked prosecutors when he altered his testimony that someone had tampered with an audio-tape recording of the stickup, evidence crucial to the prosecution's case.

Later, Falkner drove him back to a prison where Beardsley was serving time for a parole violation. "My concern in that vehicle was witness tampering by Mr. Simpson," he said.

That's when Beardsley allegedly confessed that he struck a deal with Simpson to lie on the stand in return for the ring.

Last week a judge sentenced Simpson to prison for up to 33 years.

[weezer]

snip*snip*

doesn't mean he wasn't promised the ring :eek:

orenthal took a big risk using the taped phone calls from jail to tell arnelle that he had told beardsley she would be in touch with him and where to get 'it' -- whatever 'it' was.

then there's the flurry of calls between orenthal and deutsch and deutsch and beardsley -- makes you go hmmmm

like I said . . .:shrug:

[martin II]

No, but judging from how this has been handled thus far, it might be. :)

under normal transport circumstances why would the transporter be concerned about Beadsleys testimony to ask him that question?

[martin II]

like I said . . .:shrug:

So you think linda sp assisted oj in bribing Beadsley.

[weezer]

So you think linda sp assisted oj in bribing Beadsley.

I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. . .

[weezer]

"He further stated that he and Attorney Galanter agreed that Linda Deutsch would be left out of the case, that her actions as intermediary between the parties would remain between them. Beardsley was upset that we knew about these phone calls and didn't inform him. . ."

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/C237890/State's%20Opposition%20to%20Simpson%20Bail%20Motio n.pdf

[martin II]

I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. . .

Linda has been reporting on oj for some years.Your idea that she would be involved in some criminal activity to help oj or Beadsley just shows how far you will go to create in your mind and in the minds of others that everyone that knows oj is a criminal. You should not slander this woman with this lie.

[William Anthony]

under normal transport circumstances why would the transporter be concerned about Beadsleys testimony to ask him that question?

We don't know that he did or if Beardsley was just having some fun with him. :)

[weezer]

Linda has been reporting on oj for some years.Your idea that she would be involved in some criminal activity to help oj or Beadsley just shows how far you will go to create in your mind and in the minds of others that everyone that knows oj is a criminal. You should not slander this woman with this lie.

:shrug: why would you blame me for a document filed in a court of law? or facts as to the phone calls between orenthal and deutsch and deutsch and beardsley?

[William Anthony]

I don't think the prosecution would agree to leave someone out of a crime, unless there was no crime and the person was seeking information as a news reporter on what was missing from the tapes and to get an alleged victim's account of the crime.

[martin II]

:shrug: why would you blame me for a document filed in a court of law? or facts as to the phone calls between orenthal and deutsch and deutsch and beardsley?

Phone calls by a reporter to oj and Beadsley for a story does not equal criminal activity by the reporter. Her calls to them would be to interview for a story. You see something unusual in her actions.

[martin II]

:shrug: why would you blame me for a document filed in a court of law? or facts as to the phone calls between orenthal and deutsch and deutsch and beardsley?

YOUR POST ABOUT LINDA.

"I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. ". .

[weezer]

YOUR POST ABOUT LINDA.

"I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. ". .

get a grip martin. I do absolutely believe she was a go between and have my suspicions if she did more. have you bothered to look up any of the information on the calls? I didn't think so. :seeya:

[William Anthony]

YOUR POST ABOUT LINDA.

"I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. ". .

Congratulations! No other reason is entirely different than having suspicions. :)

[martin II]

get a grip martin. I do absolutely believe she was a go between and have my suspicions if she did more. have you bothered to look up any of the information on the calls? I didn't think so. :seeya:

Now that is really funny.

[martin II]

Is this the Linda you speak of?

Linda C. Deutsch
Legal Affairs Reporter
The Associated Press
Los Angeles, CA
ldeutsch@ap.org
Ms. Deutsch has been a special correspondent for the Associated Press in Los Angeles, California since 1967. She has been a journalist for 36 years reporting on many high profile trials including the criminal and civil trial of O.J. Simpson, for which she was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize and awarded the Oliver Gramling award by the Associated Press. Ms. Deutsch covered the trials of Exxon Valdez skipper Joseph Hazelwood, Rodney King, the Menendez brothers, and of Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski. She has also covered Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, the assassination attempts on President Gerald Ford, and the evacuation of Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. She received her bachelor’s degree from Monmouth University in New Jersey. Ms. Deutsch has received many awards including the Missouri School of Journalism’s Honor Medal for Distinguished Service in Journalism and the Society of Professional Journalists’ First Amendment Award.

[martin II]

judge glass

Poor Linda Deutsch. AP's legendary Los Angeles-based trial reporter is back on the O.J. Simpson beat. She is in Las Vegas for the start of Simpson's latest criminal trial — for kidnapping and armed robbery in connection with that clash last year with sports memorabilia collectors. Simpson would probably feel lost without Deutsch in the gallery behind him — she's covered his legal sagas ever since Rockingham Drive. In Vegas, where I hear Deutsch has taken an apartment for the duration, twenty prospective jurors have already been dismissed, including a woman who told the court Tuesday, "I felt he got away with murder." [The judge reportedly replied, "well, yeah"....j/k!]

[martin II]

This is the reporter you say was involved in criminal activity with Beadsley and OJ. Right


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[weezer]

good job martin -- that's the one alright! oh wait. were you trying to impress us with the write-up? LOL.

[William Anthony]

Martin,

I would like to thank you for all your hard work and posting information that is relevant to this thread and how it applies to Judge J. Glass.

[martin II]

good job martin -- that's the one alright! oh wait. were you trying to impress us with the write-up? LOL.

Impress you..NOT A CHANCE i would not even consider that

My post was to show others who Linda is. She is the reporter you claimed was involved in criminal activity with OJ and Beadsley. The one you claimed had no reason to be talking to OJ and Beadsley by phone.The one you slandered out of your hate for OJ. :cool:

[tv]

Wouldn't the more relevant judge to the ring discussion be Judge Rosenberg?

[martin II]

Wouldn't the more relevant judge to the ring discussion be Judge Rosenberg?

How did the vegas "cop" get involved? in CA action.

[martin II]

good job martin -- that's the one alright! oh wait. were you trying to impress us with the write-up? LOL.

Weezer
just trying to let you know who you are calling a crook/criminal.

[weezer]

Impress you..NOT A CHANCE i would not even consider that

My post was to show others who Linda is. She is the reporter you claimed was involved in criminal activity with OJ and Beadsley. The one you claimed had no reason to be talking to OJ and Beadsley by phone.The one you slandered out of your hate for OJ. :cool:

you're misguided in your accusations martin. I haven't 'claimed' anything but posted a link to a court of law website where Ms Deutsch is discussed in a document --filed with the court -- as being an intermediary. A reasonable person would look at the flurry of phone calls between orenthal/deutsch and deutsch/beardsley and draw a reasonable conclusion that she was acting as a go-between. but alas, it's not for us to argue over -- I'm sure the courts will sort it out for us. ;)

[weezer]

Weezer
just trying to let you know who you are calling a crook/criminal.

LOL -- and you think that because she's a longtime and well known journalist that she wouldn't be involved? come on martin -- you're not that gullible. remember, orenthal james simpson was a famous football player before he was a double murderer and armed robber. :eek:

[William Anthony]

Wouldn't the more relevant judge to the ring discussion be Judge Rosenberg?

The latest discussion was about the reporter and her involvement in the Simpson saga and Martin posted relevant information about her, which showed how "it applied to judge J. Glass", which is what I was thanking him for as I tend to look to all the purported facts rather than unbridled speculation to support my opinions. Thanks.

[tv]

The latest discussion was about the reporter and her involvement in the Simpson saga and Martin posted relevant information about her, which showed how "it applied to judge J. Glass", which is what I was thanking him for as I tend to look to all the purported facts rather than unbridled speculation to support my opinions. Thanks.

You're welcome but I still don't see how Beardsley taking the 5th and Linda Deutsch being an intermediary applies to Judge Glass. I'd like to understand. :shrug:

[martin II]

LOL -- and you think that because she's a longtime and well known journalist that she wouldn't be involved? come on martin -- you're not that gullible. remember, orenthal james simpson was a famous football player before he was a double murderer and armed robber. :eek:

Well i guess the issue is whether the well known journalist should be believed or whether your claims have any validity.

[martin II]

LOL -- and you think that because she's a longtime and well known journalist that she wouldn't be involved? come on martin -- you're not that gullible. remember, orenthal james simpson was a famous football player before he was a double murderer and armed robber. :eek:

What i think is that you would bite on any piece of info to create a negative comment about OJ and anyone associated with him directly or indirectly.But we will see if she is charged with any crime that you say you know she commited. It is a juicy claim by you but we will see if it true or not.

[martin II]

The latest discussion was about the reporter and her involvement in the Simpson saga and Martin posted relevant information about her, which showed how "it applied to judge J. Glass", which is what I was thanking him for as I tend to look to all the purported facts rather than unbridled speculation to support my opinions. Thanks.

The comment by Glass shows serious bias against oj simpson.

[martin II]

you're misguided in your accusations martin. I haven't 'claimed' anything but posted a link to a court of law website where Ms Deutsch is discussed in a document --filed with the court -- as being an intermediary. A reasonable person would look at the flurry of phone calls between orenthal/deutsch and deutsch/beardsley and draw a reasonable conclusion that she was acting as a go-between. but alas, it's not for us to argue over -- I'm sure the courts will sort it out for us. ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by fbgweezer
get a grip martin. I do absolutely believe she was a go between and have my suspicions if she did more. have you bothered to look up any of the information on the calls? I didn't think so.

[weezer]

Well i guess the issue is whether the well known journalist should be believed or whether your claims have any validity.

WTH -- let me say this s-l-o-w-l-y: I have CLAIMED nothing. There is a document filed in a court of law that states deutsch acted as intermediary (go between) for orenthal and beardsley. There were a flurry of phone calls between orenthal/deutsch and deutsch/beardsley immediately following the robbery.

[William Anthony]

You're welcome but I still don't see how Beardsley taking the 5th and Linda Deutsch being an intermediary applies to Judge Glass. I'd like to understand. :shrug:

Certainly, allow me to assist. Events do not normally happen in isolation. The speculation about the ring being used as a bribe and Ms. Deutsch's alleged/speculated involvement occurred during a trail in judge J. Glass' courtroom. It seems that Ms. Deutsch has reported some comments by Judge J. Glass, if true, may be the subject of an appeal. It would seem that, if Judge J. Glass' comments are true, there may be an effort to want to discredit Ms. Deustsch, by implying that she was acting in some manner untoward, when she may have just been doing her duty as a recognized and renown reporter.

[martin II]

WTH -- let me say this s-l-o-w-l-y: I have CLAIMED nothing. There is a document filed in a court of law that states deutsch acted as intermediary (go between) for orenthal and beardsley. There were a flurry of phone calls between orenthal/deutsch and deutsch/beardsley immediately following the robbery.


Quote:
Originally Posted by martin II
So you think linda sp assisted oj in bribing Beadsley.


your post

I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. . .

[tv]

Certainly, allow me to assist. Events do not normally happen in isolation. The speculation about the ring being used as a bribe and Ms. Deutsch's alleged/speculated involvement occurred during a trail in judge J. Glass' courtroom. It seems that Ms. Deutsch has reported some comments by Judge J. Glass, if true, may be the subject of an appeal. It would seem that, if Judge J. Glass' comments are true, there may be an effort to want to discredit Ms. Deustsch, by implying that she was acting in some manner untoward, when she may have just been doing her duty as a recognized and renown reporter.

I thought this thread was about the ring and whether or not OJ Simpson had used it to bribe Alfred Beardsley to change his testimony. I didn't know it had branched out into whether or not comments made by Judge Glass could be used to appeal. I guess I'm just not paying enough attention.

[William Anthony]

I thought this thread was about the ring and whether or not OJ Simpson had used it to bribe Alfred Beardsley to change his testimony. I didn't know it had branched out into whether or not comments made by Judge Glass could be used to appeal. I guess I'm just not paying enough attention.

What the thread is about is unbridled speculation that led to some negative comments about Ms. Deutsch and some speculation that she may have been involved in a speculation about the ring being used as a bribe and Martin offered information, showing why some may want to speculate about Ms. Deutsch due to the fact that she was present and heard and reported some comments made by judge J. Glass during the trial that caused the speculation about the ring. I think the speculation is not limited nor should it be to only certain individuals that have some connection, remote though it may be, as with Ms. Deutsch, and not permitted with others who may have a reason to want to shield (pardon the pun) judge Glass. Without the trial in judge J. Glass' courtroom, there would likely not be the amount of speculation about the ring and the bribe. I would think you would also be thanking Martin.

[martin II]

Certainly, allow me to assist. Events do not normally happen in isolation. The speculation about the ring being used as a bribe and Ms. Deutsch's alleged/speculated involvement occurred during a trail in judge J. Glass' courtroom. It seems that Ms. Deutsch has reported some comments by Judge J. Glass, if true, may be the subject of an appeal. It would seem that, if Judge J. Glass' comments are true, there may be an effort to want to discredit Ms. Deustsch, by implying that she was acting in some manner untoward, when she may have just been doing her duty as a recognized and renown reporter.

BINGO
Great insight.

[tv]

What the thread is about is unbridled speculation that led to some negative comments about Ms. Deutsch and some speculation that she may have been involved in a speculation about the ring being used as a bribe and Martin offered information, showing why some may want to speculate about Ms. Deutsch due to the fact that she was present and heard and reported some comments made by judge J. Glass during the trial that caused the speculation about the ring. I think the speculation is not limited nor should it be to only certain individuals that have some connection, remote though it may be, as with Ms. Deutsch, and not permitted with others who may have a reason to want to shield (pardon the pun) judge Glass. Without the trial in judge J. Glass' courtroom, there would likely not be the amount of speculation about the ring and the bribe. I would think you would also be thanking Martin.

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I truly did not understand the direction of the thread and didn't understand why Judge Glass would be more relevant to the discussion than Judge Rosenberg. I have martin on ignore so I see very little of what he posts but I can't imagine having anything to thank him for.

[weezer]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081212/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson_ring

interesting that she doesn't happen to mention her name popping up in the paperwork filed with the court. . . .actually, it's kind of funny. you don't suppose she was trying to manipulate the news do you? :eek:

[William Anthony]

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I truly did not understand the direction of the thread and didn't understand why Judge Glass would be more relevant to the discussion than Judge Rosenberg. I have martin on ignore so I see very little of what he posts but I can't imagine having anything to thank him for.

I truly do not understand your feeling that every comment that disagrees with yours is an argument. You asked the question about how judge J. Glass was relevant to the discussion and I supplied an explanation. I have never said who was more relevant to the speculation and I fail to see how one can make another more relevant to speculation. I was simply saying that they are all to some degree relevant, and offered my speculation as to why some may want to speculate on Ms. Duetsch's involvement in a crime based on her report of Judge J. Glass' statements.

[William Anthony]

Maybe, she did not mention her name because it wasn't news worthy.

[martin II]

I thought this thread was about the ring and whether or not OJ Simpson had used it to bribe Alfred Beardsley to change his testimony. I didn't know it had branched out into whether or not comments made by Judge Glass could be used to appeal. I guess I'm just not paying enough attention.

The thread doctor has arrived.

[tv]

I truly do not understand your feeling that every comment that disagrees with yours is an argument. You asked the question about how judge J. Glass was relevant to the discussion and I supplied an explanation. I have never said who was more relevant to the speculation and I fail to see how one can make another more relevant to speculation. I was simply saying that they are all to some degree relevant, and offered my speculation as to why some may want to speculate on Ms. Duetsch's involvement in a crime based on her report of Judge J. Glass' statements.

Don't start with me. You said posts were 'not permitted' if they were about anyone 'shielding' Judge Glass. Not true. I don't care what you post -- I just didn't understand the direction of the discussion. Please proceed and pardon the interruption.

[tv]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081212/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson_ring

interesting that she doesn't happen to mention her name popping up in the paperwork filed with the court. . . .actually, it's kind of funny. you don't suppose she was trying to manipulate the news do you? :eek:

It could be she's trying to take herself out of the equation. I think she was being less than honest by not mentioning her role in this. I also don't think it's possible for her to be impartial when she's so close to the case. It's interesting that some posters defend her credibility and reputation but don't think Beardsley has the ring. The credible Ms Deutsch is reporting Beardsley says he has it...someone's lying. ;)

[weezer]

It could be she's trying to take herself out of the equation. I think she was being less than honest by not mentioning her role in this. I also don't think it's possible for her to be impartial when she's so close to the case. It's interesting that some posters defend her credibility and reputation but don't think Beardsley has the ring. The credible Ms Deutsch is reporting Beardsley says he has it...someone's lying. ;)

what's interesting is that deutsch didn't report on her calls with orenthal and beardsley or even pretend she had some kind of 'scoop'. if she were acting in her role as 'reporter' wouldn't it seem logical that she would actually report? LOL

[William Anthony]

Don't start with me. You said posts were 'not permitted' if they were about anyone 'shielding' Judge Glass. Not true. I don't care what you post -- I just didn't understand the direction of the discussion. Please proceed and pardon the interruption.

I am not starting with you and just wanted to explain your question and, as far as the not permitted comment is concerned, let's put it in its proper context, "I think the speculation is not limited nor should it be to only certain individuals that have some connection, remote though it may be, as with Ms. Deutsch, and not permitted with others who may have a reason to want to shield (pardon the pun) judge Glass." I hope I have fully explained the direction of the discussion to your satisfaction, as I would not want to be seen as being involved in derailment or being argumentative.

[tv]

what's interesting is that deutsch didn't report on her calls with orenthal and beardsley or even pretend she had some kind of 'scoop'. if she were acting in her role as 'reporter' wouldn't it seem logical that she would actually report? LOL

Seems logical to me so it seems that her role in talking to Beardsley and Simpson wasn't about being a reporter. Interesting, indeed. :)

[tv]

I am not starting with you and just wanted to explain your question and, as far as the not permitted comment is concerned, let's put it in its proper context, "I think the speculation is not limited nor should it be to only certain individuals that have some connection, remote though it may be, as with Ms. Deutsch, and not permitted with others who may have a reason to want to shield (pardon the pun) judge Glass." I hope I have fully explained the direction of the discussion to your satisfaction, as I would not want to be seen as being involved in derailment or being argumentative.

Okay.

[William Anthony]

It could be she's trying to take herself out of the equation. I think she was being less than honest by not mentioning her role in this. I also don't think it's possible for her to be impartial when she's so close to the case. It's interesting that some posters defend her credibility and reputation but don't think Beardsley has the ring. The credible Ms Deutsch is reporting Beardsley says he has it...someone's lying. ;)

Perhaps, she did not want to be seen as partial, after watching Judge J. Glass and she reported what Beardsley said, not as fact that he had it, but as fact that he said he did.

[William Anthony]

Seems logical to me so it seems that her role in talking to Beardsley and Simpson wasn't about being a reporter. Interesting, indeed. :)

Perhaps, there was nothing to report other than what she had already reported.

[tv]

Perhaps, she did not want to be seen as partial, after watching Judge J. Glass and she reported what Beardsley said, not as fact that he had it, but as fact that he said he did.

By not mentioning her involvement in the case she's doing her readers a disservice. Most people don't dig into the facts of the case like we do and are unlikely to be aware that she's mentioned in court documents. When a reporter becomes part of the news it's time to take a step back.

[martin II]

Maybe, she did not mention her name because it wasn't news worthy.

My question is why would Judge Glass make such a comment?

[William Anthony]

By not mentioning her involvement in the case she's doing her readers a disservice. Most people don't dig into the facts of the case like we do and are unlikely to be aware that she's mentioned in court documents. When a reporter becomes part of the news it's time to take a step back.

Like I said, because she was mentioned in court documents, maybe, she decided not to mention that fact as she would seem partial in her reporting. Maybe, she, unlike judge J. Glass, did not speak everything she thought. Maybe, she thought she could rely on those diggers, such as yourself, to reveal it. :)

[William Anthony]

My question is why would Judge Glass make such a comment?

Just a guess on my part but she may have been doing her judge Judy impersonation.

[tv]

Like I said, because she was mentioned in court documents, maybe, she decided not to mention that fact as she would seem partial in her reporting. Maybe, she, unlike judge J. Glass, did not speak everything she thought. Maybe, she thought she could rely on those diggers, such as yourself, to reveal it. :)

Not taking your bait.

[martin II]

Seems logical to me so it seems that her role in talking to Beardsley and Simpson wasn't about being a reporter. Interesting, indeed. :)

The payout/motive for Linda commiting a crime is what? She is in love with Beadsley or Oj? She was going to get a cut from the sale of the ring?
She just didn't have anything to do on that day? hahaha

[weezer]

Perhaps, there was nothing to report other than what she had already reported.

she was speaking to both the 'perpetrator' and the 'victim' immediately after the armed robbery and never reported it. surely someone said something worth reporting -- or do you feel it took numerous calls back and forth

call to orenthal
call to beardsley
call to orenthal
call to beardsley
(I actually don't remember the exact number of calls but there were several and lasted for different amounts of time) to just say, "Heck, no news here and no one needs to know I spoke to both of those guys about what would/could be a huge story."

riiiiiiiight.

[tv]

she was speaking to both the 'perpetrator' and the 'victim' immediately after the armed robbery and never reported it. surely someone said something worth reporting -- or do you feel it took numerous calls back and forth

call to orenthal
call to beardsley
call to orenthal
call to beardsley

to just say, "Heck, no news here and no one needs to know I spoke to both of those guys."

riiiiiiiight.

:beer:

[martin II]

Just a guess on my part but she may have been doing her judge Judy impersonation.

Well she did have national tv cameras on her Might as well let the public know where she stood.

[weezer]

you guys out to take that show on the road. no, really!

[William Anthony]

Not taking your bait.

No bait, just commenting on your remarks and offering an explanation.

[tv]

No bait, just commenting on your remarks and offering an explanation.

Okay.

[William Anthony]

:beer:

Oh, I don't know. Simpson wanted me to ask you how you perceived the event in the hotel room. No comment. He said no comment. Tell him it's important. He wanted me to relay to you that it was important. No comment. I relayed it to him and he said no comment. Ask him if he felt intimidated. He wants to know if you felt intimidated. No comment upon advise from my lawyer. He has spoken to a lawyer and there's no comment. Okay. I would surely think that is newsworthy.

[martin II]

:beer:

As i remember Fumong and Beadsley called Entertainment Holywood or one of those type shows to sell their story from the lobby of the hotel. I believe other reporters have spoken to oj, Beadsley, Fumong and others that were involved. Maby they were involved also.

[William Anthony]

Well she did have national tv cameras on her Might as well let the public know where she stood.


A picture speaks a thousand words. Thanks.

[martin II]

you guys out to take that show on the road. no, really!

Weezer

Stop guessing and making accusations.

What did Linda say to oj on the phone?
What linda say to Beadsley on the phone?

What did they say to her??
martinii

[martin II]

A picture speaks a thousand words. Thanks.

The line she used about her head spinning 360 degrees and fire comming out of her mouth was meant to be a juicy media sound bite for celebrity effect but the media did not pick it up.It fell flat.

[tv]

Oh, I don't know. Simpson wanted me to ask you how you perceived the event in the hotel room. No comment. He said no comment. Tell him it's important. He wanted me to relay to you that it was important. No comment. I relayed it to him and he said no comment. Ask him if he felt intimidated. He wants to know if you felt intimidated. No comment upon advise from my lawyer. He has spoken to a lawyer and there's no comment. Okay. I would surely think that is newsworthy.

It's newsworthy. Simpson was not supposed to be in contact with Beardsley even through a third party. Remember when his bail got revoked?

[weezer]

Weezer

Stop guessing and making accusations.

What did Linda say to oj on the phone?
What linda say to Beadsley on the phone?

What did they say to her??
martinii

I'm not guessing or making accusations. Unlike deutsch, I'm actually reporting the facts.

1. deutsch traded phone calls with orenthal and beardsley immediately following the robbery.
2. deutsch never wrote about having had access or speaking to the perpetrator and/or victim immediately following the robbery.
3. in the article she did write about beardsley and orenthal having contact after the robbery, she conveniently left out any mention of her numerous phone calls to the guys.

[martin II]

you guys out to take that show on the road. no, really!

You should take your accusation to the court and get Linda Busted as no one knows what you know about what she did.Take tv with you as your witness.

[weezer]

By not mentioning her involvement in the case she's doing her readers a disservice. Most people don't dig into the facts of the case like we do and are unlikely to be aware that she's mentioned in court documents. When a reporter becomes part of the news it's time to take a step back.

excellent point --

[weezer]

You should take your accusation to the court and get Linda Busted as no one knows what you know about what she did.Take tv with you as your witness.

I don't get it martin. why wouldn't you care that the media wasn't honest and forthcoming about this?

[William Anthony]

It's newsworthy. Simpson was not supposed to be in contact with Beardsley even through a third party. Remember when his bail got revoked?

Do you know that she did not promise to reveal the source of her information and whether or not it was an agreement with Simpson and/or Beardsley? I would think that, if she had, she was in a very pernicious position and could not mention the phone calls. Did she report on the fact that his bail had been revoked due to improper contacts with witnesses. I think that is what is newsworthy. I think that anything further allows for great speculation.

[tv]

excellent point --

An impartial reporter would have gone for full disclosure. It just looks shady when the whole story isn't told.

[William Anthony]

excellent point --

Let's not forget Savage and Bosco.

[William Anthony]

An impartial reporter would have gone for full disclosure. It just looks shady when the whole story isn't told.

Let's not forget Savage and Bosco.

[tv]

Let's not forget Savage and Bosco.

You've remembered Savage and Bosco twice so that should cover the rest of us.

[weezer]

You've remembered Savage and Bosco twice so that should cover the rest of us.

who the heck is savage and bosco?

BTW:

"Linda C. Deutsch
Legal Affairs Reporter
The Associated Press
Los Angeles, CA
ldeutsch@ap.org
Ms. Deutsch has been a special correspondent for the Associated Press in Los Angeles, California since 1967. She has been a journalist for 36 years reporting on many high profile trials including the criminal and civil trial of O.J. Simpson, for which she was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize and awarded the Oliver Gramling award by the Associated Press. Ms. Deutsch covered the trials of Exxon Valdez skipper Joseph Hazelwood, Rodney King, the Menendez brothers, and of Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski. She has also covered Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, the assassination attempts on President Gerald Ford, and the evacuation of Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. She received her bachelor’s degree from Monmouth University in New Jersey. Ms. Deutsch has received many awards including the Missouri School of Journalism’s Honor Medal for Distinguished Service in Journalism and the Society of Professional Journalists’ First Amendment Award."

yep, looks like orenthal and deutsch go back a long ways. you don't suppose some of the stuff she printed during the trials came from orenthal do you? :eek: surely she wouldn't be dishonest about what she does and doesn't know! :eek:

[martin II]

I'm not guessing or making accusations. Unlike deutsch, I'm actually reporting the facts.

1. deutsch traded phone calls with orenthal and beardsley immediately following the robbery.
2. deutsch never wrote about having had access or speaking to the perpetrator and/or victim immediately following the robbery.
3. in the article she did write about beardsley and orenthal having contact after the robbery, she conveniently left out any mention of her numerous phone calls to the guys.

i am sure your can read


Exactly what did Linda say to oj and beadsley and what words did they say to her to make you belive she commited a crime.

Because of your hatred for Oj you would just make up accusations about her because she has a reputation of being fair in her reporting and not a oj basher like some. If you don't know what was said you should just stop making accusations of SHE MUST HAVE SAID. Simply because you don't know.

[weezer]

i am sure your can read


Exactly what did Linda say to oj and beadsley and what words did they say to her to make you belive she commited a crime.

Because of your hatred for Oj you would just make up accusations about her because she has a reputation of being fair in her reporting and not a oj basher like some. If you don't know what was said you should just stop making accusations of SHE MUST HAVE SAID. Simply because you don't know.

let me try this one more time but this time you read it s-l-o-w-l-y: I did not make up any accusations. I am posting information filed in a court of law. the fact that you are willing to excuse any and all connected to your slimeball hero is your problem -- not mine. the fact that you are willing to ignore facts in this case so that you can maintain the victim mentality is fine with me. go for it.

[martin II]

who the heck is savage and bosco?

BTW:

"Linda C. Deutsch
Legal Affairs Reporter
The Associated Press
Los Angeles, CA
ldeutsch@ap.org
Ms. Deutsch has been a special correspondent for the Associated Press in Los Angeles, California since 1967. She has been a journalist for 36 years reporting on many high profile trials including the criminal and civil trial of O.J. Simpson, for which she was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize and awarded the Oliver Gramling award by the Associated Press. Ms. Deutsch covered the trials of Exxon Valdez skipper Joseph Hazelwood, Rodney King, the Menendez brothers, and of Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski. She has also covered Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, the assassination attempts on President Gerald Ford, and the evacuation of Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. She received her bachelor’s degree from Monmouth University in New Jersey. Ms. Deutsch has received many awards including the Missouri School of Journalism’s Honor Medal for Distinguished Service in Journalism and the Society of Professional Journalists’ First Amendment Award."

yep, looks like orenthal and deutsch go back a long ways. you don't suppose some of the stuff she printed during the trials came from orenthal do you? :eek: surely she wouldn't be dishonest about what she does and doesn't know! :eek:

Weezer

Exactly what does 'YOU DON'T SUPPOSE..SUPOSE TO MEAN??

I would accept her reputaiton of years of reporting on many high profile cases
over a known hater of oj that makes up nonsense accusations. HAHAHA:cool:

[weezer]

Weezer

Exactly what does 'YOU DON'T SUPPOSE..SUPOSE TO MEAN??

I would accept her reputaiton of years of reporting on many high profile cases
over a known hater of oj that makes up nonsense accusations. HAHAHA:cool:

well, goodness knows I tried to point you in the right direction but alas, even I can't fix stupid. :seeya:

[martin II]

let me try this one more time but this time you read it s-l-o-w-l-y: I did not make up any accusations. I am posting information filed in a court of law. the fact that you are willing to excuse any and all connected to your slimeball hero is your problem -- not mine. the fact that you are willing to ignore facts in this case so that you can maintain the victim mentality is fine with me. go for it.

You have not given any words spoken by Linda to prove your accusations that she commited a crime.Period.:cool:

[martin II]

well, goodness knows I tried to point you in the right direction but alas, even I can't fix stupid. :seeya:

What you have done is to create and make unfounded accusations against this woman without proof to get others to buy into your hatred of not only oj but of her. When you get proof post it.

[weezer]

What you have done is to create and make unfounded accusations against this woman without proof to get others to buy into your hatred of not only oj but of her. When you get proof post it.

I don't hate deutsch, that's a stupid statement. not everyone is as ignorant as some and they will look at the clark county website, read the court document and exhibit and see that you are the one who is making unfounded accusations against me. in the meantime, kiss my grits! :punch:

[William Anthony]

Martin,

I told you you had an admirer. She wants to cook for you and have you bless the food.

[martin II]

I don't hate deutsch, that's a stupid statement. not everyone is as ignorant as some and they will look at the clark county website, read the court document and exhibit and see that you are the one who is making unfounded accusations against me. in the meantime, kiss my grits! :punch:

Weezer
Explain what your grits look like first.

[martin II]

I don't hate deutsch, that's a stupid statement. not everyone is as ignorant as some and they will look at the clark county website, read the court document and exhibit and see that you are the one who is making unfounded accusations against me. in the meantime, kiss my grits! :punch:

your post

I absolutely believe she was a go between for orenthal and beardsley. no other reason for all the phone calls. . .

[William Anthony]

Weezer
Explain what your grits look like first.

Guess who is not coming to dinner.

[jnswickardlaw]

For Martin II and William Anthony--I enjoyed your comments--

I agree with both of you Linda Deutch is a preeminent reporter. Her reputation will be neither made nor lost with this case. She is an honorable and capable journalist, and I have never feared being wrongly quoted by her. She does not deserve this trashing by some in the press.

A criminal defense lawyer will always have his client take the fifth amendment in an ancilliary and or unrelated hearing where potential criminal acts have been suggested by the moving party.:punch:

The judge ordered the turnover because of the standards relating to california civil collection law.

Alfred, in my opinion, does not have the ring.

Jack Neil S_______

This is the reporter you say was involved in criminal activity with Beadsley and OJ. Right


Linda Deutsch to be Keynote Speaker at Antioch University Los Angeles' 36th Annual...
Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:24pm EDT

[-] Text [+] Linda Deutsch to be Keynote Speaker at Antioch University Los Angeles' 36th Annual Commencement Exercises

Famed AP reporter to address graduates at the June 20th ceremony
CULVER CITY, Calif.--(Business Wire)--
Antioch University Los Angeles is honored to have distinguished
journalist Linda Deutsch as the 2008 invited keynote speaker for its
36th Annual Commencement exercises. In four decades with The
Associated Press, Linda Deutsch has established herself as the
nation's leading expert in coverage of high profile trials.

Ms. Deutsch is known for her fair and unbiased coverage of
high-profile trials such as Charles Manson, O.J. Simpson, Michael
Jackson, and Phil Spector. She has also covered Dr. Martin Luther
King, Jr., Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, the
assassination attempts on President Gerald Ford, and the evacuation of
Vietnam after the fall of Saigon.

Ms. Deutsch has also co-authored the book, "Verdict: The Chronicle
of the O.J. Simpson Trial," and is a contributor to the recent AP
history: "Breaking news: How The Associated Press Has Covered War,
Peace and Everything Else."

A recent issue of Current Biography, said, "(Linda Deutsch) has
been ranked among the foremost American courtroom journalists of
modern times....She is best known for her detailed, objective
reporting on some of the most sensational, newsworthy and influential
trials of recent decades."

Ms. Deutsch is the recipient of numerous awards including the
University of Missouri's Honor Medal for Distinguished Service in
Journalism and the Society of Professional Journalists national First
Amendment Award. A long time member of PEN Center USA, Ms. Deutsch was
recently honored as part of the PEN Literary Arts Festival awards in
recognition of her over 40 years of journalism.

Antioch University Los Angeles, located in Culver City, has been
serving the diverse communities of the greater Los Angeles area for
the last 35 years. With roots at the heart of progressive higher
education since the founding of Antioch College in 1852, Antioch
University Los Angeles continues the tradition as an institution of
conscience devoted to educating principled practitioners who dedicate
their professional lives to making a positive difference in our
communities.

AULA's commencement ceremony will take place at 11am on Friday,
June 20, 2008 at Royce Hall at UCLA. Dr. Neal King, President of
Antioch University Los Angeles, will preside and Chancellor Toni
Murdock, Ph.D. will also be in attendance.

Over 160 graduates from AULA's B.A. in Liberal Studies, M.A. in
Organizational Management, M.A. in Education, M.A. in Psychology and
M.A. in Clinical Psychology programs will receive their degrees. In
addition, Antioch University will be honoring Lillian Pierson Lovelace
with an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters.

For more information, please contact Joanna Gerber, Director of
Public Relations for Antioch University Los Angeles at
Joanna_Gerber@antiochla.edu or at (310) 578-1080 x119.

Additional information on Antioch University Los Angeles can be
found online at www.AntiochLA.edu.

Antioch University is founded on the principles of a rigorous
liberal arts education, innovative experiential learning and socially
engaged citizenship. The campuses all nurture in their students the
knowledge, skills and habits of reflection to act as lifelong
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For over 35 years, Antioch University Los Angeles has proudly and
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programs in clinical psychology, creative writing, teacher
credentialing, education and organizational management, and is
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Antioch University Los Angeles
Joanna Gerber
Director of Public Relations & Communications
310-578-1080 x119
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Copyright Business Wire 2008

[martin II]

Guess who is not coming to dinner.

It will not be me that is for sure.

[martin II]

For Martin II and William Anthony--I enjoyed your comments--

I agree with both of you Linda Deutch is a preeminent reporter. Her reputation will be neither made nor lost with this case. She is an honorable and capable journalist, and I have never feared being wrongly quoted by her. She does not deserve this trashing by some in the press.

A criminal defense lawyer will always have his client take the fifth amendment in an ancilliary and or unrelated hearing where potential criminal acts have been suggested by the moving party.:punch:

The judge ordered the turnover because of the standards relating to california civil collection law.

Alfred, in my opinion, does not have the ring.

Jack Neil S_______


Thanks for your comments. I agree with them.

[William Anthony]

For Martin II and William Anthony--I enjoyed your comments--

I agree with both of you Linda Deutch is a preeminent reporter. Her reputation will be neither made nor lost with this case. She is an honorable and capable journalist, and I have never feared being wrongly quoted by her. She does not deserve this trashing by some in the press.

A criminal defense lawyer will always have his client take the fifth amendment in an ancilliary and or unrelated hearing where potential criminal acts have been suggested by the moving party.:punch:

The judge ordered the turnover because of the standards relating to california civil collection law.

Alfred, in my opinion, does not have the ring.

Jack Neil S_______

Thank you very much. I know I have seen your website but I am unsure, if I posted a link to it. I want to become a lawyer and I do understand what you are saying about the safeguard as it pertains to the ancillary hearing. If you will be so kind as to inform me as to whether or not my suspicions are correct, as to the acceptance of the invocation in civil proceedings being a matter of common law. I hope that you will stick around on the forum as we can all learn a lot about the law from one who practices it.

Also, do you think the order is a matter of form over substance? Without getting into a discussion of federalism and state sovereignty, if possible, do you think that there is a chance that the preclusion of the claim of right defense will hold muster as it relates to a Constitutional appeal? After this week, I will begin to study to take the LSATs. Did you take classes to prepare or is it possible to just use the preparation books? Thanks.

[William Anthony]

Martin,

Off topic briefly. What is with people's impulsive desire to give shoes to Texans?:)

[martin II]

Martin,

Off topic briefly. What is with people's impulsive desire to give shoes to Texans?:)

Not sure but maby to cover ugly toes.:cool:

[William Anthony]

Not sure but maby to cover ugly toes.:cool:

I know President Bush was doing all he could to avoid those shoes that were trying to be given him. :cool:

[martin II]

I know President Bush was doing all he could to avoid those shoes that were trying to be given him. :cool:

Don King made a statement yesterday that Bush may have a second career in boxing with that deft duck he pulled off. What a unique way of self expression. I know Bush would have liked the opportunity to kick that guy in the rear with his shoes on.
I also read that there were two left shoes found on stage indicating conspiracy:cool:

[weezer]

I guess you're not really on board with this change thing are you? Mr. Bush is still the current President of the United States -- no matter your party affiliation. :punch:

[martin II]

It will not be me that is for sure.

Correction
I will not be comming to any dinner where people are engaging in that type activity.

[weezer]

Correction
I will not be comming to any dinner where people are engaging in that type activity.

dude you are like the last person I would invite to dinner! well you and orenthal and arnelle and william. :eek:

[martin II]

I guess you're not really on board with this change thing are you? Mr. Bush is still the current President of the United States -- no matter your party affiliation. :punch:

Having any success with your grits dinner?

[weezer]

Thank you very much. I know I have seen your website but I am unsure, if I posted a link to it. I want to become a lawyer and I do understand what you are saying about the safeguard as it pertains to the ancillary hearing. If you will be so kind as to inform me as to whether or not my suspicions are correct, as to the acceptance of the invocation in civil proceedings being a matter of common law. I hope that you will stick around on the forum as we can all learn a lot about the law from one who practices it.

Also, do you think the order is a matter of form over substance? Without getting into a discussion of federalism and state sovereignty, if possible, do you think that there is a chance that the preclusion of the claim of right defense will hold muster as it relates to a Constitutional appeal? After this week, I will begin to study to take the LSATs. Did you take classes to prepare or is it possible to just use the preparation books? Thanks.

ROFLAMO -- duh!

[martin II]

William

Within about a week that poster went from suggesting that you and i had something other than a healthy male to male posting relationship to inviting me to "kiss her Grits". Calls Big Ben "insane" . On a regular basis she has called jury members ignorant and uneducated and racist.Something very wrong.

[weezer]

William

Within about a week that poster went from suggesting that you and i had something other than a healthy male to male posting relationship to inviting me to "kiss her Grits". Calls Big Ben "insane" . On a regular basis she has called jury members ignorant and uneducated and racist.Something very wrong.

I'm thinking I need to be more forthcoming. what do you think?

[martin II]

I know President Bush was doing all he could to avoid those shoes that were trying to be given him. :cool:

The shoe tossing video has received world wide media coverage showing the shoes in flight and Bush ducking, Twice. The reporter is seem as a hero in most of the Arab world. SNL could not have made a better presentation of expressions against Bush.

[weezer]

Mr. Obama would be soooooooo proud of you boys! :seeya:

[William Anthony]

dude you are like the last person I would invite to dinner! well you and orenthal and arnelle and william. :eek:

Please, make me last? Better yet, don't invite me. :);):cool:

[William Anthony]

Don King made a statement yesterday that Bush may have a second career in boxing with that deft duck he pulled off. What a unique way of self expression. I know Bush would have liked the opportunity to kick that guy in the rear with his shoes on.
I also read that there were two left shoes found on stage indicating conspiracy:cool:

Had to be a conspiracy! Someone told him that President Bush had two left feet. :cool:

[William Anthony]

I guess you're not really on board with this change thing are you? Mr. Bush is still the current President of the United States -- no matter your party affiliation. :punch:

You think the shoe thrower did not know that? :);):cool:

[William Anthony]

ROFLAMO -- duh!

A fitting response, judging from most of your posts. :);):cool:

[William Anthony]

William

Within about a week that poster went from suggesting that you and i had something other than a healthy male to male posting relationship to inviting me to "kiss her Grits". Calls Big Ben "insane" . On a regular basis she has called jury members ignorant and uneducated and racist.Something very wrong.

Par.;):cool:

[William Anthony]

I'm thinking I need to be more forthcoming. what do you think?

Less transparent. :);):cool:

[William Anthony]

Mr. Obama would be soooooooo proud of you boys! :seeya:

The word is men. I am proud of him and I can't say for sure but I think he is proud of all Americans, including you, that's what makes him great and me, human. I can afford to laugh at whatever I think is funny. :);):cool: I am laughing at the fact that you called us boys.

[William Anthony]

Mr. Obama would be soooooooo proud of you boys! :seeya:

It is President Elect Obama. :);):cool:

[weezer]

It is President Elect Obama. :);):cool:

at the present time, it's simply Barack Obama. I paid homage to the President Elect part by referring to him as "Mr."

[weezer]

A fitting response, judging from most of your posts. :);):cool:

LOL -- william how about you post the link to the site you visited?

[William Anthony]

at the present time, it's simply Barack Obama. I paid homage to the President Elect part by referring to him as "Mr."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/15/obama-formally-elected-nations-th-president/

[William Anthony]

LOL -- william how about you post the link to the site you visited?

This might be the one of which I spoke.

http://web.userinstinct.com/7820639-swickard-jack-law-offices-of--attorney-.htm

How about you post one to the link of the pigeon-toed shoe prints you claimed were found at Bundy?

[weezer]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/15/obama-formally-elected-nations-th-president/

LOL -- so you think he's President before January 20th when he takes the oath of office? LOL

[William Anthony]

LOL -- so you think he's President before January 20th when he takes the oath of office? LOL

LOL, LOL, you don't understand the difference between President Elect, President and Mr. :);):cool:

[weezer]

This might be the one of which I spoke.

http://web.userinstinct.com/7820639-swickard-jack-law-offices-of--attorney-.htm

How about you post one to the link of the pigeon-toed shoe prints you claimed were found at Bundy?

ROFLMAO:

"General Information on Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney-- in Santa Ana
In the branche "Legal Professionals" in Santa Ana, California 2 companies are listed. Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney-- in Santa Ana is rated as avrg. good. If you are the owner of "Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney--" signup here and start your company press release room for free and get in touch with the Santa Ana- people. If you are a Santa Ana-citizen, please write about your experiences about Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney-- in the Legal Professionals-Blog or the Legal Professionals-Forum."

[weezer]

LOL, LOL, you don't understand the difference between President Elect, President and Mr. :);):cool:

pssst -- there is no such thing as "The Office of the President Elect" -- LOL

This is something straight out of Saturday Night Live -- a little blue sign with a made up little title: The Office of the President Elect.

[William Anthony]

pssst -- there is no such thing as "The Office of the President Elect" -- LOL

This is something straight out of Saturday Night Live -- a little blue sign with a made up little title: The Office of the President Elect.

No one said there was. There is a title that is recognized, except by those who would want to negate history, imho. He will assume his office in the White House on January 20th, 2009-God willing. :);):cool: You know that respect thing.:cool:

[William Anthony]

ROFLMAO:

"General Information on Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney-- in Santa Ana
In the branche "Legal Professionals" in Santa Ana, California 2 companies are listed. Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney-- in Santa Ana is rated as avrg. good. If you are the owner of "Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney--" signup here and start your company press release room for free and get in touch with the Santa Ana- people. If you are a Santa Ana-citizen, please write about your experiences about Swickard Jack Law Offices of --Attorney-- in the Legal Professionals-Blog or the Legal Professionals-Forum."

Your point is? You asked for a link-I supplied it. I asked for your link-you haven't supplied it, since I requested it long, long, ago. :);):cool: I will be checking as I have one more question to do on my final.

[weezer]

Your point is? You asked for a link-I supplied it. I asked for your link-you haven't supplied it, since I requested it long, long, ago. :);):cool: I will be checking as I have one more question to do on my final.

LOL -- you silly boy!

[William Anthony]

LOL -- you silly boy!

You seem to constantly confuse me with one of your loved ones. :);):cool:

[weezer]

No one said there was. There is a title that is recognized, except by those who would want to negate history, imho. He will assume his office in the White House on January 20th, 2009-God willing. :);):cool: You know that respect thing.:cool:

I know that I for one am looking forward -- I hope and pray that Mr. Obama will/can deliver on the hope so many have placed in him. He has my support.

[William Anthony]

I know that I for one am looking forward -- I hope and pray that Mr. Obama will/can deliver on the hope so many have placed in him. He has my support.

I am glad to hear that.

[martin II]

I'm thinking I need to be more forthcoming. what do you think?

No i think you should ask for assistance in posting comments that are not nasty and vile. But again i guess that is just you.

I take offense at you asking me to 'KISS YOUR GRITS'

[martin II]

No one said there was. There is a title that is recognized, except by those who would want to negate history, imho. He will assume his office in the White House on January 20th, 2009-God willing. :);):cool: You know that respect thing.:cool:

What i know is there is a lame Duck sitting in the white house and on Jan 20 that Duck will be finished and the world can relax.

[martin II]

Your point is? You asked for a link-I supplied it. I asked for your link-you haven't supplied it, since I requested it long, long, ago. :);):cool: I will be checking as I have one more question to do on my final.

You will never get a link from that.

[weezer]

What i know is there is a lame Duck sitting in the white house and on Jan 20 that Duck will be finished and the world can relax.

does it make you feel better to do this kind of posting? you and your kind will never be able to move forward with change because you don't know how or you're not capable. :shrug:

get away from me --

[martin II]

After trying to defeat Obama by voting for mccain and the empty dress so many religious right republicans are looking for a way to jump on the winning bandwagon like rats.

[martin II]

The lane duck went to Iarq as a last victory lap and photo op.Instead the world led by a reporter with some shoes was able to express their utter discuss with him for what he has done to America and other people of the world. This stain will never go away and he will be forever remembers for it.

[weezer]

The lane duck went to Iarq as a last victory lap and photo op.Instead the world led by a reporter with some shoes was able to express their utter discuss with him for what he has done to America and other people of the world. This stain will never go away and he will be forever remembers for it.

get a friggin dictionary --

[martin II]

No one said there was. There is a title that is recognized, except by those who would want to negate history, imho. He will assume his office in the White House on January 20th, 2009-God willing. :);):cool: You know that respect thing.:cool:

As of last week the DC police said they are expecting 5,000,000 or more to assemble for the swearing in of the people choice.
Yesterday Mc Cain was asked if he would back Palin for the next republican candidate for president . He said NO.

[martin II]

LOL -- you silly boy!

A adult black man is not referred to as "boy" unless the person making the comment is plain ignorant or racially challenged.imo:cuss:

[weezer]

A adult black man is not referred to as "boy" unless the person making the comment is plain ignorant or racially challenged.imo:cuss:

I have decided that like you and william, I am going to demand my right to be me. Part of who I am includes using the word 'boy' in my everyday speech -- with no racial connotations attached. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem -- not me.

[martin II]

get a friggin dictionary --

i will get a dictionary if you will get some mouth wash.

[weezer]

i will get a dictionary if you will get some mouth wash.

I don't need mouthwash but you do need to learn some manners.

[martin II]

I have decided that like you and william, I am going to demand my right to be me. Part of who I am includes using the word 'boy' in my everyday speech -- with no racial connotations attached. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem -- not me.

Originally Posted by martin II
A adult black man is not referred to as "boy" unless the person making the comment is plain ignorant or racially challenged.imo

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II
A adult black man is not referred to as "boy" unless the person making the comment is plain ignorant or racially challenged.imo

I have decided that like you and william, I am going to demand my right to be me. Part of who I am includes using the word 'boy' in my everyday speech -- with no racial connotations attached. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem -- not me.

[martin II]

I don't need mouthwash but you do need to learn some manners.

i dissagree.the vile that comes from your mouth needs to be washed away.

[weezer]

i dissagree.the vile that comes from your mouth needs to be washed away.

I can't help it if you want to take innocent chatter and make it vile -- but then you do that with most things don't you? Get over it martin. time to move on -- move forward -- look to the future.

[William Anthony]

I have decided that like you and william, I am going to demand my right to be me. Part of who I am includes using the word 'boy' in my everyday speech -- with no racial connotations attached. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem -- not me.

What does that mean. I know who I am and make no demands for others to know me. I do demand respect or will fight to get it. I believe you do not talk to Blacks on a daily basis other than this board. This is where your use in referring to Martin and me is off base.

[martin II]

I have decided that like you and william, I am going to demand my right to be me. Part of who I am includes using the word 'boy' in my everyday speech -- with no racial connotations attached. If you have a problem with that, YOU have a problem -- not me.

A racially challenged person has a right to announce that they are just that. i have no probem with that. May God bless you.

[weezer]

What does that mean. I know who I am and make no demands for others to know me. I do demand respect or will fight to get it. I believe you do not talk to Blacks on a daily basis other than this board. This is where your use in referring to Martin and me is off base.

you have no idea what I do or whom I speak with on a daily basis. as for the rest of it -- get over it. move forward. look to the future.

[weezer]

A racially challenged person has a right to announce that they are just that. i have no probem with that. May God bless you.

thanks martin -- I just knew if anyone was going to understand it would be you.

[martin II]

thanks martin -- I just knew if anyone was going to understand it would be you.

I understand, even the KKK, Because they don't mind telling everyone that they are racially challanged or racist as you have.

[martin II]

thanks martin -- I just knew if anyone was going to understand it would be you.

can you describe what the grits you told me to kiss look like?

[weezer]

I understand, even the KKK, Because they don't mind telling everyone that they are racially challanged or racist as you have.

look, I'm not racially challenged or a racist -- I simply believe that now is the time YOU moved on, looked to the future, and accepted the change.

[martin II]

look, I'm not racially challenged or a racist -- I simply believe that now is the time YOU moved on, looked to the future, and accepted the change.

Calling two adult men boys was a custon in the deep south many years ago. You doing so now gives me the impression that you have/are resisting CHANGE that has passed you by.:patriot:

[weezer]

snip*snip*". . .many years ago.

time to move on martin -- look forward -- accept change. I know I have.

[susie31023]

OK, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore because of all of the hate filled posts. But, I have to respond to this subject. First of all I call my son and his friends boys all of the time. They are by the way white and black. None of them have ever taken offense at what I have said because down here it is just used to call guys sometimes. Now before anyone jumps down my throat please remember I have an adopted son who happens to be black. Just as most men down here say girls not women. I have been very saddened by the way this forum has gone down hill.

There isn''t any debate anymore only insults and so much so that O2S has even came in and warned all to watch what they say or it will be closed. Martin you and William have made it plain that you believe OJ is innocent of any of the charges that have been carried through on him. That is fine but can't you put your words in a more respectful way. Most here believe OJ got away with murder and no amount of dragging in pages and pages of dna and what it could or could not mean wont change their opinions. Nor will the great conspiracy theory float. It is what it is and whether we agree or not it could be done in a much nicer way than I have read so far.

No I am not in anyway the forum police, but what I am is a poster who sees so much hatred of certain posters in such a degrading way that I have removed myself from it even though I would love to participate. A party thread was started but somehow it has been left behind because of all of the fighting. I was so in hopes that we all could debate the subject without losing our own dignity at the same time. Yes I believe OJ got away with murder, but I don't try to insult anyone else who may still choose to believe he is innocent.

I would hate to see a whole other forum closed because we can't act like adults and specify why we all feel the way that we do. Yes some hurtful things have been said but to keep holding grudges accomplishes nothing. I think all here or at least most believe in God or at least some higher power. That being said it saddens me to no end to see all of the hate that is shown in these posts. Not only from you and William but others also. I'm sure which ever religion that anyone follows here would not agree with what is being said.

I'm sorry for butting in but I would just hate to see Deepwater close and delete this forum because no one would abide by the rules. So please forgive my interruption and feel free to put me on ignore if you choose. I just couldn't sit back and not say anything at all. Everything that has to do with OJ Simpson is not about race nor is it about a conspiracy. This is all just my own humble opinion. Suz