Will Simpson be in court as a plaintiff

[martin II]

and of course we know that all during that time, our president elect was sitting in jeremiah wright's church praying for the safe return of all our 'boys'.


Do you think there is a differance between some of Wrights comments and those of Farwell?

[weezer]

Do you think there is a differance between some of Wrights comments and those of Farwell?

who's farwell?

[martin II]

Americans listened to Rev Writes comments for days in the media and decided that that issue way down the list of important issues for them or that they did not care what Wright said. They did not hold BO accountable for Writes comments. only you a few more republicans.

[martin II]

who's farwell?


i forgot you do spell checking on post you don't like
jerry falwell or bob jones. close friend and supporter of bush and mccain.

[martin II]

Nagging is in the eye of the beholder.

nagging can be a woman asking her husband over and over and over again 'Where have you been" Without getting any response.hahaha

[weezer]

i forgot you do spell checking on post you don't like
jerry falwell or bob jones. close friend and supporter of bush and mccain.

resko, wright, farrakhan close friends and supporters of obama and biden.

[William Anthony]

Most of America knew the difference between a speaker and an audience. :)

[weezer]

Most of America knew the difference between a speaker and an audience. :)

4% does not 'most America' make.

hey, I'm not in the mood to argue today and especially not about the new President elect. Like I said, what's good for America is good for me. :patriot:

[William Anthony]

Nor am I but 52% is most.

[weezer]

Nor am I but 52% is most.

I will agree that 52% is a majority.

[William Anthony]

I will agree that 52% is a majority.

Let's try to have a civil discussion and see how long it lasts, as I think that you may want to engage in that. I think, IIRC, over 60% of Americans voted and, of that percentage 52.8% voted for Obama. He had the majority of the majority that were able to speak on the subject. The majority of the majority is the most, imho.

[martin II]

resko, wright, farrakhan close friends and supporters of obama and biden.



Quote:
Originally Posted by fbgweezer
who's farwell?


i forgot you do spell checking on post you don't like
jerry falwell or bob jones. close friend and supporter of bush and mccain.

[martin II]

4% does not 'most America' make.

hey, I'm not in the mood to argue today and especially not about the new President elect. Like I said, what's good for America is good for me. :patriot:

should i attack bush because you have listened to him and supported him and voted for him considering where you come from on certain issues?

[martin II]

Let's try to have a civil discussion and see how long it lasts, as I think that you may want to engage in that. I think, IIRC, over 60% of Americans voted and, of that percentage 52.8% voted for Obama. He had the majority of the majority that were able to speak on the subject. The majority of the majority is the most, imho.

bo had well over 300 in the EC and received about 8,000,000 more votes than
mccain. the media called it a blowout.

[martin II]

resko, wright, farrakhan close friends and supporters of obama and biden.

Wright and Farrakhan speaks to discrimination in America, for many that makes them heros.

[William Anthony]

4% does not 'most America' make.

hey, I'm not in the mood to argue today and especially not about the new President elect. Like I said, what's good for America is good for me. :patriot:

I am not trying to argue. I am making a joke. Since you voted for Bush, would you say that what is bad for America is good for you? :)

[martin II]

i will agree that 52% is a majority.

ec

bo 365
mccain 173

[tv]

bo had well over 300 in the EC and received about 8,000,000 more votes than
mccain. the media called it a blowout.martin, I'm not going to argue with you about the president or the president-elect but I do have an opinion about the electoral college. It's outmoded and there should be some way to get rid of it or drastically reform it.

[martin II]

martin, I'm not going to argue with you about the president or the president-elect but I do have an opinion about the electoral college. It's outmoded and there should be some way to get rid of it or drastically reform it.

Your opinion of the EC does not change the current approved system and does not change or negate BO advantage.

i did not agree with the Supreme Court stopping the Florida vote and giving the election to bush.

[weezer]

Let's try to have a civil discussion and see how long it lasts, as I think that you may want to engage in that. I think, IIRC, over 60% of Americans voted and, of that percentage 52.8% voted for Obama. He had the majority of the majority that were able to speak on the subject. The majority of the majority is the most, imho.

I'm all for a civil discussion -- however, I normally like to have those with people who can be honest with themselves and me. at any rate, you, martin and I have a limited time together so let's go for it.

the 52.8% was not the percentage of the 60% that voted -- geez

[William Anthony]

I'm all for a civil discussion -- however, I normally like to have those with people who can be honest with themselves and me. at any rate, you, martin and I have a limited time together so let's go for it.

the 52.8% was not the percentage of the 60% that voted -- geez

Should I take this to mean that, if Simpson gets probation, you will be satisfied and leave the forum or that you are not interested in his appeal? :)

The 52.8% was a percentage of the votes that were counted, which represents that most of America that voted did not buy into the derogatory remarks and tactics and did not believe that the President Elect shared the views of those he heard speak.

[tv]

I'm all for a civil discussion -- however, I normally like to have those with people who can be honest with themselves and me. at any rate, you, martin and I have a limited time together so let's go for it.

the 52.8% was not the percentage of the 60% that voted -- geez That's 52.8% of 100% of voters. Is that the way you figure it?

[tv]

Your opinion of the EC does not change the current approved system and does not change or negate BO advantage.

i did not agree with the Supreme Court stopping the Florida vote and giving the election to bush.
You just want to argue. I've stated several times that Obama won by a majority of the popular vote. What else do you want me to say? My comments didn't have anything to do with the recent election. I just dont' care for the electoral college and wish it could be reformed.

Your disagreement with the Supreme Court does not negate or change the Bush victory. Sorry.

[William Anthony]

That's 52.8% of 100% of voters. Is that the way you figure it?

Why are you making this harder than it is. IIRC, 60%, which it may be above that, is most of the turnout of eligible voters. Of that percentage a certain amount of votes were counted (100%). Of that 100%, President Elect Obama won 58.2%. The point is that most of America did not by into the negativity of those with whom he allegedly associated and did not attach that negativity to him.

[tv]

Should I take this to mean that, if Simpson gets probation, you will be satisfied and leave the forum or that you are not interested in his appeal? :)

The 52.8% was a percentage of the votes that were counted, which represents that most of America that voted did not buy into the derogatory remarks and tactics and did not believe that the President Elect shared the views of those he heard speak.

We get it. Barack Obama won! He won the popular vote! Bush is going back to Crawford! The Obamas can have the White House sanitized to get rid of the Bush stench -- what else can I say to make you realize that there are those of us that didn't vote for him but we accept the Democrat victory and are ready to go forward?

[William Anthony]

You just want to argue. I've stated several times that Obama won by a majority of the popular vote. What else do you want me to say? My comments didn't have anything to do with the recent election. I just dont' care for the electoral college and wish it could be reformed.

Your disagreement with the Supreme Court does not negate or change the Bush victory. Sorry.

Just briefly, I don't think it is correct to call it a victory.

[tv]

Why are you making this harder than it is. IIRC, 60%, which it may be above that, is most of the turnout of eligible voters. Of that percentage a certain amount of votes were counted (100%). Of that 100%, President Elect Obama won 58.2%. The point is that most of America did not by into the negativity of those with whom he allegedly associated and did not attach that negativity to him.


Please see my post #1287. I think the problem you and martin have is that you thought people would continue to argue the election. Nope, not happening with me...I'm moving forward.

[tv]

Just briefly, I don't think it is correct to call it a victory.What do you call his election to his second term?

[William Anthony]

We get it. Barack Obama won! He won the popular vote! Bush is going back to Crawford! The Obamas can have the White House sanitized to get rid of the Bush stench -- what else can I say to make you realize that there are those of us that didn't vote for him but we accept the Democrat victory and are ready to go forward?

I think you are discussing a different point than I am attempting to make and it was in response to what most of America did not buy into, as there was a disagreement as to most. I would hate to think that they voted for someone who hated America. What would that say?

[tv]

Why are you making this harder than it is. IIRC, 60%, which it may be above that, is most of the turnout of eligible voters. Of that percentage a certain amount of votes were counted (100%). Of that 100%, President Elect Obama won 58.2%. The point is that most of America did not by into the negativity of those with whom he allegedly associated and did not attach that negativity to him.

Uh, I think that's what I said.

[tv]

I think you are discussing a different point than I am attempting to make and it was in response to what most of America did not buy into, as there was a disagreement as to most. I would hate to think that they voted for someone who hated America. What would that say?

I've never said he hates America.

[William Anthony]

What do you call his election to his second term?

I think you should watch the movie, Counted. I call it more of the first but with a slightly different twist. I do not think anyone would have voted to elect anyone other than the incumbent during war time and the documentary shows how that election was stolen.

[William Anthony]

Uh, I think that's what I said.

I think you asked fbgweezer about her statement. :)

[William Anthony]

I've never said he hates America.

I never said you did. I think you can include yourself in most that did not buy it. :)

[tv]

I think you should watch the movie, Counted. I call it more of the first but with a slightly different twist. I do not think anyone would have voted to elect anyone other than the incumbent during war time and the documentary shows how that election was stolen.You believe the second term was stolen?

[William Anthony]

You believe the second term was stolen?

After watching the documentary, I have my doubts. Elections have been stolen throughout history. I do not know that I am as alarmed as I should be over that fact.

[tv]

After watching the documentary, I have my doubts. Elections have been stolen throughout history. I do not know that I am as alarmed as I should be over that fact.

I'm sure you're familiar with the term propaganda.

[William Anthony]

I'm sure you're familiar with the term propaganda.

Yes, very familiar but the movie offers some very helpful insights. We have had those discussions in my Law and Democracy/Law of Elections class. I was very unaware of the 2004 elections or really any other ones, until the recent one. I figured that voting was a waste of my time, since no candidate had my best interests at heart. In any event I have learned a lot about the voting process and the methods of disenfranchisement. I truly reccomend that you see the documentary. I did some quick research and found this.

http://www.indiewire.com/movies/2006/10/stand_up_be_cou.html

“Most of these films are grassroots efforts that are self-distributed or offered for sale online, or both, as in the case of Dorothy Fadiman's "Stealing America, Vote by Vote", a sobering account of the 2004 election that focuses mainly on the significant irregularities in the Ohio vote count, largely due to issues attributed to electronic voting machines. In one example, the film explains that untold thousands of people saw their votes switch before their eyes on touch screen systems, most claiming that they pressed "Kerry" and they saw it jump to "Bush" on the screen. In fact, over 90 percent of complaints of "vote switching," which was reported in at least 13 states, were claims that votes for Kerry were switched to Bush.”

[tv]

Yes, very familiar but the movie offers some very helpful insights. We have had those discussions in my Law and Democracy/Law of Elections class. I was very unaware of the 2004 elections or really any other ones, until the recent one. I figured that voting was a waste of my time, since no candidate had my best interests at heart. In any event I have learned a lot about the voting process and the methods of disenfranchisement. I truly reccomend that you see the documentary. I did some quick research and found this.

http://www.indiewire.com/movies/2006/10/stand_up_be_cou.html

“Most of these films are grassroots efforts that are self-distributed or offered for sale online, or both, as in the case of Dorothy Fadiman's "Stealing America, Vote by Vote", a sobering account of the 2004 election that focuses mainly on the significant irregularities in the Ohio vote count, largely due to issues attributed to electronic voting machines. In one example, the film explains that untold thousands of people saw their votes switch before their eyes on touch screen systems, most claiming that they pressed "Kerry" and they saw it jump to "Bush" on the screen. In fact, over 90 percent of complaints of "vote switching," which was reported in at least 13 states, were claims that votes for Kerry were switched to Bush.”

I take your statement to mean there was no black candidate on the ballot. Does this mean that the next time there are two white candidates in the running that you won't vote? If you feel that no white presidential candidate had your best interests heart then the president-elect doesn't have my best interests at heart?

This is the first I've heard of vote-switching from Kerry voters. That would require a huge conspiracy to pull off successfully. It makes the MF conspiracy look like a speck in the universe. I can't believe that you think Kerry actually got enough votes that switching was necessary for Bush to win. Just to add -- some people are liars or just mentally ill.

[William Anthony]

In class, we recently had a discussion on the David Duke case in which he wanted to run on the Republican ballot and was denied by that party. I fully understand why they denied him but what about the advantage to the access he would have gained to espouse his views had he been permitted and what about those that may have been persuaded to his views had he been given access? Were those who in someway shared some of his views victims of voter dilution?

[William Anthony]

I take your statement to mean there was no black candidate on the ballot. Does this mean that the next time there are two white candidates in the running that you won't vote? If you feel that no white presidential candidate had your best interests heart then the president-elect doesn't have my best interests at heart?

This is the first I've heard of vote-switching from Kerry voters. That would require a huge conspiracy to pull off successfully. It makes the MF conspiracy look like a speck in the universe. I can't believe that you think Kerry actually got enough votes that switching was necessary for Bush to win.

You are reading much too much into my comment. It was not the race of the candidates. I was too young to vote for JFK. It was the idea that I realized that the politicians were only interested in the preservation of the staus quo. Yes, I was proud of Obama and, when I heard him speak at the democratic convention, I knew he was destined for greatness. I told others of his speech. I was suprised to see him run for President so soon and proud that he had. I heard his message of change and his vision of building America from the bottom up. I never believed in the trickle down theory. I heard someone say the things I wanted to hear, whether or not he follows through is a different story. It was worth my time to find out.

It is a means of ensuring, who will win. I guess all the cases that have been brought by people that felt they were in some manner disenfranchised were mentally ill or liars, smile.

[tv]

In class, we recently had a discussion on the David Duke case in which he wanted to run on the Republican ballot and was denied by that party. I fully understand why they denied him but what about the advantage to the access he would have gained to espouse his views had he been permitted and what about those that may have been persuaded to his views had he been given access? Were those who in someway shared some of his views victims of voter dilution?

You would have criticized the Republican party if they hadn't denied him and now you're asking if he was being unfairly denied? Can the Republican party do anything that you agree with? I think I know the answer to that. :)

[William Anthony]

You would have criticized the Republican party if they hadn't denied him and now you're asking if he was being unfairly denied? Can the Republican party do anything that you agree with? I think I know the answer to that. :)

I am not criticizing the Republican party and I agree with the Supreme Court's decision that they had the right to deny him, as Justice Scalia's famous line was to the effect that the right to associate, includes the right not to associate. I do not know, if I agree with that statement. However, given the harm that allowing him to run as a Republican would have done to that party's image, I had to agree with the denial. That did not stop me from asking whether or not a segment of the population had been denied or whether it caused voter dilution. That's why the only place I will be a judge is on the RAPP thread. :)

[tv]

You are reading much too much into my comment. It was not the race of the candidates. I was too young to vote for JFK. It was the idea that I realized that the politicians were only interested in the preservation of the staus quo. Yes, I was proud of Obama and, when I heard him speak at the democratic convention, I knew he was destined for greatness. I told others of his speech. I was suprised to see him run for President so soon and proud that he had. I heard his message of change and his vision of building America from the bottom up. I never believed in the trickle down theory. I heard someone say the things I wanted to hear, whether or not he follows through is a different story. It was worth my time to find out.

It is a means of ensuring, who will win. I guess all the cases that have been brought by people that felt they were in some manner disenfranchised were mentally ill or liars, smile.
Don't put words in my mouth. You know that's not what I said or meant.

[tv]

I am not criticizing the Republican party and I agree with the Supreme Court's decision that they had the right to deny him, as Justice Scalia's famous line was to the effect that the right to associate, includes the right not to associate. I do not know, if I agree with that statement. However, given the harm that allowing him to run as a Republican would have done to that party's image, I had to agree with the denial. That did not stop me from asking whether or not a segment of the population had been denied or whether it caused voter dilution. That's why the only place I will be a judge is on the RAPP thread. :)

William, is it possible for you to believe that it wasn't only the image of the Repulican party that was in jeopardy but his views are considered completely out of line with Republican idealolgy?

[martin II]

Please see my post #1287. I think the problem you and martin have is that you thought people would continue to argue the election. Nope, not happening with me...I'm moving forward.

i guess you have admitted the error of your ways and now want to change parties.

[tv]

i guess you have admitted the error of your ways and now want to change parties.

Riiight. ;)

[martin II]

You would have criticized the Republican party if they hadn't denied him and now you're asking if he was being unfairly denied? Can the Republican party do anything that you agree with? I think I know the answer to that. :)

i never understood why the republican pary did not want Duke,one of their own to run.

[William Anthony]

William, is it possible for you to believe that it wasn't only the image of the Repulican party that was in jeopardy but his views are considered completely out of line with Republican idealolgy?

There are different factions of the Republican party just as there are with the Democrats. I was speaking more of conservative and liberal with the terms moderate and very being included. The ideology of the party is the image the party puts forth. I did not mean anything negative by that comment and will say ideology. I just did some research and was unable to find the case but was amazed to see that James Merridith, IIRC, a Black civil rights leader, endorsed him to run as a democrat. I think that event may have been seen as the far left liberal faction of the democratic party. :)

[martin II]

What do you call his election to his second term?

ohio steal

[William Anthony]

Don't put words in my mouth. You know that's not what I said or meant.

This is what you said and I will ask you to clarify and apologize if I misunderstood.

"I can't believe that you think Kerry actually got enough votes that switching was necessary for Bush to win. Just to add -- some people are liars or just mentally ill."

My point was that it is not uncommon for things like this to happen, imho. I saw a person on one of the networks, Fox News I believe, who showed how easy it was to hack into a voting machine, switch the chip and have the vote registered for the opposite party, while the screen reflected the party that the person had actually voted for. Of course, this was done in connection to the allegations against ACORN-not that they did it but that something like that could be easily accomplished.

[William Anthony]

William, is it possible for you to believe that it wasn't only the image of the Repulican party that was in jeopardy but his views are considered completely out of line with Republican idealolgy?

Because we are having a civil and interesting discussion, I did some further research finding the case (I think this is the one in my book). I don't know what is wrong with my leg, today. I know this is going to sound strange to you but I dreamed I gave one of my cousins a spanking and, when I awakened my leg hurt and has been aching all day.:) I don't feel like walking downstairs to get the book. Here is the link.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/11th/958452opa.html

[William Anthony]

Fox is going to be talking about Judge Glass.

[tv]

i never understood why the republican pary did not want Duke,one of their own to run.

martin, you are insulting. This remark is a slap in the face to me. You always deny making these kind of remarks to me but here you go again. William and I are having a civil conversation and you have to come up with this crap. You've made it very clear that you consider Republicans to be racist demons so just stay away from me from now on.

[tv]

Because we are having a civil and interesting discussion, I did some further research finding the case (I think this is the one in my book). I don't know what is wrong with my leg, today. I know this is going to sound strange to you but I dreamed I gave one of my cousins a spanking and, when I awakened my leg hurt and has been aching all day.:) I don't feel like walking downstairs to get the book. Here is the link.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/11th/958452opa.html

Maybe your cousin kicked you in the leg during the dream. Why are you spanking grown-ups?

[tv]

This is what you said and I will ask you to clarify and apologize if I misunderstood.

"I can't believe that you think Kerry actually got enough votes that switching was necessary for Bush to win. Just to add -- some people are liars or just mentally ill."

My point was that it is not uncommon for things like this to happen, imho. I saw a person on one of the networks, Fox News I believe, who showed how easy it was to hack into a voting machine, switch the chip and have the vote registered for the opposite party, while the screen reflected the party that the person had actually voted for. Of course, this was done in connection to the allegations against ACORN-not that they did it but that something like that could be easily accomplished.Please note word in bold. :)

[tv]

Because we are having a civil and interesting discussion, I did some further research finding the case (I think this is the one in my book). I don't know what is wrong with my leg, today. I know this is going to sound strange to you but I dreamed I gave one of my cousins a spanking and, when I awakened my leg hurt and has been aching all day.:) I don't feel like walking downstairs to get the book. Here is the link.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/11th/958452opa.html


Thank you for the link.

I think it was the right decision. Why should a political party be forced to accept someone that doesn't agree with their philosophy?

[William Anthony]

Maybe your cousin kicked you in the leg during the dream. Why are you spanking grown-ups?

How did you know he was an adult? He is a very religious person and older than I am. I have never dreamed about him before to my memory. I couldn't figure out why I was spanking him, other than I had been out drinking in my dream with another of my cousins. If he did kick me, he's going to get that behind spanked again. :)

[tv]

i never understood why the republican pary did not want Duke,one of their own to run.

I thought I'd remind you that when David Duke was Grand Wizard of the KKK he was a Democrat.

[William Anthony]

Thank you for the link.

I think it was the right decision. Why should a political party be forced to accept someone that doesn't agree with their philosophy?

What about walking downstairs? I have to agree with the opinion, although for the most part I am against exclusions from private associations, unless based on some reason like this. It is a tricky one for me, as it concerns individual liberties, which I am generally for. I guess on this issue I would be of the conservative view. Go figure. :)

[tv]

How did you know he was an adult? He is a very religious person and older than I am. I have never dreamed about him before to my memory. I couldn't figure out why I was spanking him, other than I had been out drinking in my dream with another of my cousins. If he did kick me, he's going to get that behind spanked again. :)

I just figured since you're an adult he is too. Drinking, spanking...what did you eat before you went to bed?

[tv]

What about walking downstairs? I have to agree with the opinion, although for the most part I am against exclusions from private associations, unless based on some reason like this. It is a tricky one for me, as it concerns individual liberties, which I am generally for. I guess on this issue I would be of the conservative view. Go figure. :)
I'm surprised at your conservative view. I'm of the opinion that a private associations is just that -- private.

[William Anthony]

Please note word in bold. :)

Duly noted and I stand corrected. :)

[tv]

Duly noted and I stand corrected. :)

Thank you. See, the devil's in the details. :)

[William Anthony]

I'm surprised at your conservative view. I'm of the opinion that a private associations is just that -- private.

I understand. However, I think that those type of associations do not in most cases promote unity but divisiveness. I am not saying that is their purpose but it seems to me what they accomplish. The court conducted a balancing test and I guess that may be the only way-a case-by-case analysis.

[William Anthony]

Thank you. See, the devil's in the details. :)

I thought she was in a blue dress. :)

[martin II]

martin, you are insulting. This remark is a slap in the face to me. You always deny making these kind of remarks to me but here you go again. William and I are having a civil conversation and you have to come up with this crap. You've made it very clear that you consider Republicans to be racist demons so just stay away from me from now on.

TV
It is what it is.
Last week Richard Steel from MD and a candidate for the RNC chairmanship
stated that "in the Republican party diversity means having a cocktail party and wrapping their arms around three blacks and calling that diversity in the party"
What do you think he meant?

[tv]

I understand. However, I think that those type of associations do not in most cases promote unity but divisiveness. I am not saying that is their purpose but it seems to me what they accomplish. The court conducted a balancing test and I guess that may be the only way-a case-by-case analysis.

You could possibly be right about the case-by-case basis but I still think if someone isn't included they can start their own association. There's no way to make everyone happy all the time. (per Lincoln)

[William Anthony]

I just figured since you're an adult he is too. Drinking, spanking...what did you eat before you went to bed?

Collard greens. I left a spoon full for tonight. Maybe, I should pass. :)

[tv]

TV
It is what it is.
Last week Richard Steel from MD and a candidate for the RNC chairmanship
stated that "in the Republican party diversity means having a cocktail party and wrapping their arms around three blacks and calling that diversity in the party"
What do you think he meant?

I like Michael Steel a lot and until I hear the entire remark in context I'll withhold my opinion.

[tv]

Collard greens. I left a spoon full for tonight. Maybe, I should pass. :)I'm a big fan of collard greens but I prefer mustard greens. Did you put too much vinegar on them?

[tv]

I thought she was in a blue dress. A detailed blue dress. :)

[William Anthony]

You could possibly be right about the case-by-case basis but I still think if someone isn't included they can start their own association. There's no way to make everyone happy all the time. (per Lincoln)

I understand, again. However, if everyone ran around starting their own associations and excluding others for no legitimate reasons, we might end up with a nation divided against itself that cannot stand. If I become irrational in my typing and thoughts, please excuse me, as I just took my second vicodine.

[tv]

I understand, again. However, if everyone ran around starting their own associations and excluding others for no legitimate reasons, we might end up with a nation divided against itself that cannot stand. If I become irrational in my typing and thoughts, please excuse me, as I just took my second vicodine.

I predict your pain will soon be just a dream.

[William Anthony]

I'm a big fan of collard greens but I prefer mustard greens. Did you put too much vinegar on them?

No, I did not use vinegar. Hot sauce and chow chow.

[William Anthony]

I predict your pain will soon be just a dream.

Very witty. I like that. :)

[William Anthony]

A detailed blue dress. :)

I am usually very observant of details. It's that anal retentive thing. :)

[William Anthony]

I like Michael Steel a lot and until I hear the entire remark in context I'll withhold my opinion.

Can't resist and no I am not becoming uncivil-just joking. He probably meant that they had to recruit more Blacks-like the type that begged McCain to win. :)

[tv]

No, I did not use vinegar. Hot sauce and chow chow.

Hot sauce and chow chow? On greens? Must be a city man thing.

[tv]

Can't resist and no I am not becoming uncivil-just joking. He probably meant that they had to recruit more Blacks-like the type that begged McCain to win. :)

Please elaborate. The only black I saw that begged McCain to win was Jesse Jackson who used racial epithets and stated his desire to perform unauthorized surgery on a delicate part of Mr. Obama's anatomy.

[William Anthony]

Hot sauce and chow chow? On greens? Must be a city man thing.

I learned it from my father and he was not raised a city man. He was from Evington, Va., down route 29 between Alta Vista and Lynchburg.

[tv]

I am usually very observant of details. It's that anal retentive thing. :)That you're anal retentive I can agree with. :)

[tv]

I learned it from my father and he was not raised a city man. He was from Evington, Va., down route 29 between Alta Vista and Lynchburg.

I haven't heard of Evington. Route 29, Alta Vista and *****burg -- very picturesque. But, we've been over this ground before. I admit I'm partial to Virginia even though I haven't lived there for over 20 years. I know they use a lot of hot sauce in NC but the chow chow on greens I'm not familiar with. Maybe I need to get out more.

[William Anthony]

Please elaborate. The only black I saw that begged McCain to win was Jesse Jackson who used racial epithets and stated his desire to perform unauthorized surgery on a delicate part of Mr. Obama's anatomy.

No, there was he that stood in front of McCain begging him to win and then became mad when he was referred to as a sell out. Reverend Jackson and Wright did much to hamper Obama's chances but I think that was due to cultural alienation and self-hatred, whereas the other was a form of cultural alienation, Stockholm syndrome, self-hatred and assimilation.

[William Anthony]

That you're anal retentive I can agree with. :)

I would not have expected less and thought about whether I should say it for almost an hour. :)

[William Anthony]

I haven't heard of Evington. Route 29, Alta Vista and *****burg -- very picturesque. But, we've been over this ground before. I admit I'm partial to Virginia even though I haven't lived there for over 20 years. I know they use a lot of hot sauce in NC but the chow chow on greens I'm not familiar with. Maybe I need to get out more.

It tastes very good. I do not think I mentioned Evington before but It is very pretty in that stretch of the country.

[tv]

No, there was he that stood in front of McCain begging him to win and then became mad when he was referred to as a sell out. Reverend Jackson and Wright did much to hamper Obama's chances but I think that was due to cultural alienation and self-hatred, whereas the other was a form of cultural alienation, Stockholm syndrome, self-hatred and assimilation.

Before I go eat my supper I'm going to civilly ask you if you think any black citizen that voted for McCain was a self-hater. Also, I don't understand the assimilation comment. We are all Americans and should already be assimilated to each other. Also, Stockholm Syndrome is a little too dramatic, don't you agree?

[tv]

I would not have expected less and thought about whether I should say it for almost an hour. :)You should have known I would agree. You obviously believe it yourself. :)

[tv]

It tastes very good. I do not think I mentioned Evington before but It is very pretty in that stretch of the country.Yes, I agree it's pretty. Pleasing to your eye but obviously not to your soul.

[William Anthony]

Before I go eat my supper I'm going to civilly ask you if you think any black citizen that voted for McCain was a self-hater. Also, I don't understand the assimilation comment. We are all Americans and should already be assimilated to each other. Also, Stockholm Syndrome is a little too dramatic, don't you agree?

No, I don't agree with Stockholm Syndrome being too dramatic, when you look at how many Black youth are murdered by other Black youth. Those affects I refer to are not limited to political association. I think that they are common among far too many people that have been oppressed. When you think of it, you will see that Whites that are raised in Black neighborhoods often adopt cultural tendencies that are Black. I would agree with your comment about what assimilation should be but it does not appear to be that way yet. Bring your supper to the computer, woman. :) Seriously, we have engaged in an open, honest and civil discussion and I think we have learned more about each other's views without becoming disagreeable and I think that it offers food for thought for both of us.

[William Anthony]

Yes, I agree it's pretty. Pleasing to your eye but obviously not to your soul.

I have not spent any amount of time, so to speak, in that part of the country since 1978. Funny you should say soul.

[William Anthony]

You should have known I would agree. You obviously believe it yourself. :)

Yes, and I hope that will make me a better than average lawyer. :)

[martin II]

I like Michael Steel a lot and until I hear the entire remark in context I'll withhold my opinion.

Washington times article

Steel was speaking on the condition the Republican party finds it self after the election. A real rejection by the people he called it. As in left behind by the people because of old ideas and ignorance of the makeup of the current voting population. But most of all a party that reaches out to only whites in a very diverse voting population.

He offers his service as chairman and states that he will work to change the look of the party.

There were many media comparisons of the number of minorities in attandance at the democratic convention as compared to the very small number in attandance at the republican convention.imo

There is a reason for that.

[martin II]

It tastes very good. I do not think I mentioned Evington before but It is very pretty in that stretch of the country.

william
Chow Chow and hot sauce on collards is the bomb. very popular in Georgia.
My uncle made a good chow chow. My wife makes collards and mustards togeather.

[William Anthony]

william
Chow Chow and hot sauce on collards is the bomb. very popular in Georgia.
My uncle made a good chow chow. My wife makes collards and mustards togeather.

I am running out of chow chow and don't know how to make it but there may be a recipe on line. I got the last batch from a relative. I could eat it on about anything. :)

[tv]

Washington times article

Steel was speaking on the condition the Republican party finds it self after the election. A real rejection by the people he called it. As in left behind by the people because of old ideas and ignorance of the makeup of the current voting population. But most of all a party that reaches out to only whites in a very diverse voting population.

He offers his service as chairman and states that he will work to change the look of the party.

There were many media comparisons of the number of minorities in attandance at the democratic convention as compared to the very small number in attandance at the republican convention.imo

There is a reason for that.

The reason is that the candidate was black. It is what it is.

[martin II]

The reason is that the candidate was black. It is what it is.

Steel correctly spoke to what many critics of the republican party have pointed out is that for many years the party has made very little effort to include minorities into the party and that now that those numbers have made a significant growth, the party found itself with a smaller base and lost the election by the numbers of these minorities. He believes that if elected he will work to put the party on a different path than it is currently on.

It just happened that with a black democratic candicate and almost no blacks in the republican party, minorities voted democratic but that does not explain why such a great majority of whites voted for the black candidate.

I think whites voted democratic because of the platform and programs and not because he was black.
Republicans, as the party of big business was rejected by the people.
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