Will Simpson be in court as a plaintiff

[martin II]

like I said martin, I'm simply worried about your health like you are/were Mr. Goldman's health. remember your advice? carrying all that hate isn't good for a person. now, you take the advice you gave Mr. Goldman and quit being the victim, get over it and move on.

I am not surprised that you would equate a simple money grab by fred to minorities speaking of inequalities of slavery and current discrimination. This is why for the most part i pass on what you post. This is your personal problem not mine.imo

[weezer]

I am not surprised that you would equate a simple money grab by fred to minorities speaking of inequalities of slavery and current discrimination. This is why for the most part i pass on what you post. This is your personal problem not mine.imo

I don't have a problem with it martin -- I'm simply worried about your health. and may karma visit you and your soul for your hateful remarks about Mr. Goldman, his family, and what they've gone through. :flamemad:

[Kayleighjo]

I am not surprised that you would equate a simple money grab by fred

You are SO freaking SICK-god it's just disgusting how low you really do go.

[Kayleighjo]

I don't have a problem with it martin -- I'm simply worried about your health. and may karma visit you and your soul for your hateful remarks about Mr. Goldman, his family, and what they've gone through. :flamemad:

He's so disgusting and twisted-can't believe he functions in society. You think he kisses the Juice poster on his wall each night?

[martin II]

White males have and continue to give women the shaft in many ways. Not to the same degree as they shaft blacks and other minitories but they suffer inequality also. Women like black have many groups talking about past and present inequalities But i have never heard any one suggest to women 'GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. I AM TIRED OF THE VICTIM MENTALITY.

[Kayleighjo]

White males have and continue to give women the shaft in many ways. Not to the same degree as they shaft blacks and other minitories but they suffer inequality also. Women like black have many groups talking about past and present inequalities But i have never heard any one suggest to women 'GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. I AM TIRED OF THE VICTIM MENTALITY.

WHITE men give women the shaft? Its all about color color color to you-what a disgrace you are to those you claim to rally on behalf of.

[martin II]

I don't have a problem with it martin -- I'm simply worried about your health. and may karma visit you and your soul for your hateful remarks about Mr. Goldman, his family, and what they've gone through. :flamemad:

Weezer, no need for you to worry about me in any way.Your wish for me is your wish. It has no bearing on me. I am not a big fan of your theory on karma so you comment is useless as far as i am concerned.imo

[William Anthony]

I know-I observe and agree with the same when I think about you associating with a certain person.

You may have missed my posts on victim bashing, to include family members. I see that it went ignored by those who want to bash Mr. Goldman and members of the Simpson family. I think it has become a quid pro quo situation that I have no control over.

[William Anthony]

WHITE men give women the shaft? Its all about color color color to you-what a disgrace you are to those you claim to rally on behalf of.

I did not see his post that way. It is a fact that those who have been in power, the ability to influence others to do their bidding, from America's beginning have been White males. This is in no way intended to minimize your feelings. It is just that I saw it more as a factual statement. Perhaps, I should ask you what you got out of it, as I am truly interested in understanding. I truly do want to know your perspective on this as it will help me to understand.

[weezer]

White males have and continue to give women the shaft in many ways. Not to the same degree as they shaft blacks and other minitories but they suffer inequality also. Women like black have many groups talking about past and present inequalities But i have never heard any one suggest to women 'GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. I AM TIRED OF THE VICTIM MENTALITY.

therein lies our difference martin -- you believe that everything wrong with your world is the white man's fault and you can't get past that. you do realize that you can't see the future if you're only looking behind you -- right?

[martin II]

therein lies our difference martin -- you believe that everything wrong with your world is the white man's fault and you can't get past that. you do realize that you can't see the future if you're only looking behind you -- right?

A wise statement is if one is to know where one is going one must understand where one came from. Otherwise one must ignore history and only fools do that.imo

[martin II]

http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcar...ode=HY27482779

[William Anthony]

I sincerely hope that no one takes offense at this but it has to do with the concept of manifest destiny and I realize that the concept means many things.
I thought that it may be a different way of looking at some problems and I was amazed to see that poems had been written about it.

The White Man's Burden

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To clokea your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel,b
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!
Rudyard Kipling.

The Brown Man's Burden
By Henry Labouchère

Truth (London); reprinted in Literary Digest 18 (Feb. 25, 1899).

Pile on the brown man's burden
To gratify your greed;
Go, clear away the "******s"
Who progress would impede;
Be very stern, for truly
'Tis useless to be mild
With new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.
Pile on the brown man's burden;
And, if ye rouse his hate,
Meet his old-fashioned reasons
With Maxims up to date.
With shells and dumdum bullets
A hundred times made plain
The brown man's loss must ever
Imply the white man's gain.
Pile on the brown man's burden,
compel him to be free;
Let all your manifestoes
Reek with philanthropy.
And if with heathen folly
He dares your will dispute,
Then, in the name of freedom,
Don't hesitate to shoot.
Pile on the brown man's burden,
And if his cry be sore,
That surely need not irk you--
Ye've driven slaves before.
Seize on his ports and pastures,
The fields his people tread;
Go make from them your living,
And mark them with his dead.
Pile on the brown man's burden,
Nor do not deem it hard
If you should earn the rancor
Of those ye yearn to guard.
The screaming of your Eagle
Will drown the victim's sob--
Go on through fire and slaughter.
There's dollars in the job.
Pile on the brown man's burden,
And through the world proclaim
That ye are Freedom's agent--
There's no more paying game!
And, should your own past history
Straight in your teeth be thrown,
Retort that independence
Is good for whites alone.
Pile on the brown man's burden,
With equity have done;
Weak, antiquated scruples
Their squeamish course have run,
And, though 'tis freedom's banner
You're waving in the van,
Reserve for home consumption
The sacred "rights of man"!
And if by chance ye falter,
Or lag along the course,
If, as the blood flows freely,
Ye feel some slight remorse,
Hie ye to Rudyard Kipling,
Imperialism's prop,
And bid him, for your comfort,
Turn on his jingo stop.

[Kayleighjo]

You may have missed my posts on victim bashing, to include family members. I see that it went ignored by those who want to bash Mr. Goldman and members of the Simpson family. I think it has become a quid pro quo situation that I have no control over.

Haven't you said that silence is agreement or something like that? You have no problem being upset with others for not calling out Bell or there was another post also I think when they made a controversial post but I don't see you walking the walk here William. Where's your direct post to martin on this crap?
I would sincerely hope that you don't support his words on Fred Goldman.

[martin II]

therein lies our difference martin -- you believe that everything wrong with your world is the white man's fault and you can't get past that. you do realize that you can't see the future if you're only looking behind you -- right?

Please indentify the individuals that has caused the world economies to tank as they have. Please indentify the historical holders of power in America. By gender and race.

[weezer]

I sincerely hope that no one takes offense at this but it has to do with the concept of manifest destiny and I realize that the concept means many things.
I thought that it may be a different way of looking at some problems and I was amazed to see that poems had been written about it.

The White Man's Burden

The Brown Man's Burden


this from the poster who slams anyone and everyone for anything and everything he deems as racist -- please.

[William Anthony]

Haven't you said that silence is agreement or something like that? You have no problem being upset with others for not calling out Bell or there was another post also I think when they made a controversial post but I don't see you walking the walk here William. Where's your direct post to martin on this crap?
I would sincerely hope that you don't support his words on Fred Goldman.

I have publicly stated my position on victim bashing and that includes all those that engage in it. What I have not heard, except for Kate, is one G say that the racial posts were uncalled for. In fact, some tried to defend them. I was simply addressing your post that I had not spoken out about it. I did. It was ignored and I have no control. I do not engage in it as that is my personal choice. I do not defend them.

[Kayleighjo]

I have publicly stated my position on victim bashing and that includes all those that engage in it. What I have not heard, except for Kate, is one G say that the racial posts were uncalled for. In fact, some tried to defend them. I was simply addressing your post that I had not spoken out about it. I did. It was ignored and I have no control. I do not engage in it as that is my personal choice. I do not defend them.

I figured as much.

[William Anthony]

this from the poster who slams anyone and everyone for anything and everything he deems as racist -- please.

I think this deserves a direct response, since I am assuming that the poster meant me, if not, I stand corrected. However, as you can see long ago the White man felt it was his destiny to civilize the world at any expense. I truly offered the poems as to an explanation as to how differently his assumed duty was interpreted. I offered them in light of a question or statement about the White man oppressing women. Whether his belief was Right or wrong, this would explain some of what transpired that still effect us today.

[William Anthony]

I figured as much.

Then you know that regardless of my association I have not defended something that I thought was inappropriate and spoke out against it.

[weezer]

Please indentify the individuals that has caused the world economies to tank as they have. Please indentify the historical holders of power in America. By gender and race.

martin it is not the 'holders of power' who 'tank' the economies -- it's the people who don't contribute; the people who believe someone owes them something for nothing; people who don't have the gumption and/or will to make it better. get an education yourself, keep your kids in school, get a job, pay your taxes. . .

[William Anthony]

I will say that after the last post, it is going to take all within my power to remain civil.

[Kayleighjo]

I will say that after the last post, it is going to take all within my power to remain civil.

I know the feeling- after martin's sick and disgusting garbage it takes all within my power not to unleash.

[Kayleighjo]

I will say that after the last post, it is going to take all within my power to remain civil.

I actually see the point she's making and I think you might be seeing it differently which is why you're so angry.

[William Anthony]

I actually see the point she's making and I think you might be seeing it differently which is why you're so angry.

This is what I see. The big wigs destroyed the economy and were given a bailout. Some then went on expensive vacations. Unemployment is nearly as high as its ever been and our taxpayer dollars were used to bail out the big wigs and the cost of tuition is rising. I see a complete distortion of the facts. The last time thing like this happened the Government had to step in and created welfare among other social programs.

[weezer]

This is what I see. The big wigs destroyed the economy and were given a bailout. Some then went on expensive vacations. Unemployment is nearly as high as its ever been and our taxpayer dollars were used to bail out the big wigs and the cost of tuition is rising. I see a complete distortion of the facts.

and our retirement money was diverted to pay for welfare programs; I have to pay for my doctor and medicine but the lazy azz down the street who 'says' he can't find a job, stays home, makes more babies AND gets free medical, rent, food. no william, it's not the big wigs who have destroyed this economy -- it's the people who continue to drain the resources and expect more but give back nothing.

[William Anthony]

and our retirement money was diverted to pay for welfare programs and I have to pay for my doctor and medicine but the lazy azz down the street who 'says' he can't find a job, stays home, makes more babies AND gets free medical. no william, it's not the big wigs who have destroyed this economy -- it's the people who continue to drain the resources and expect more.

You may be truly gullible. Do you not know that the federal government enacted a law that limits the amount of time that people can be on welfare to five years, which I cannot recall the name of it. The auto big wigs flew into D.C. on private jets to ask for our tax payer dollars. The government has the ability to pay for the welfare. They printed money to bail out companies that screwed up your retirement accounts and then went on vacation. That little money that those on welfare receive cannot make a prick into the amount of money that those pricks stole. The wanted to blame the rise in health care to the malpractice suits and the cost of insurance to doctors. So what did the courts do, they limited the amount of damages that could be awarded in malpractice suits. Wake up Everybody. Tell me what sense it makes when they take our money to bail out banks and when we need to borrow money form a bank we have to pay interest on our own money? Can you not see what is happening?

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/law-reg/finalrule/aspesum.htm

[weezer]

You may be truly gullible. Do you not know that the federal government enacted a law that limits the amount of time that people can be on welfare to five years, which I cannot recall the name of it. The auto big wigs flew into D.C. on private jets to ask for our tax payer dollars. The government has the ability to pay for the welfare. They printed money to bail out companies that screwed up your retirement accounts and then went on vacation. That little money that those on welfare receive cannot make a prick into the amount of money that those pricks stole. The wanted to blame the rise in health care to the malpractice suits and the cost of insurance to doctors. So what did the courts do, they limited the amount of damages that could be awarded in malpractice suits. Wake up Everybody.

I'm not gullible william -- I'm pragmatic. please post a link to the federal law that imposes time limits on welfare.

[William Anthony]

I'm not gullible william -- I'm pragmatic. please post a link to the federal law that imposes time limits on welfare.

I did and it seems that it was after you responded.

[martin II]

and our retirement money was diverted to pay for welfare programs; I have to pay for my doctor and medicine but the lazy azz down the street who 'says' he can't find a job, stays home, makes more babies AND gets free medical, rent, food. no william, it's not the big wigs who have destroyed this economy -- it's the people who continue to drain the resources and expect more but give back nothing.

I am sure on this subject you are way over your head.To blame the majority of people (whites) on welfare for the world economic condition is utter nonsense. The world finaicial community had identified the collaps problem and they dissagree with you. but then you know better. hahahaha

[William Anthony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVVKP3Gh8CI

[martin II]

You may be truly gullible. Do you not know that the federal government enacted a law that limits the amount of time that people can be on welfare to five years, which I cannot recall the name of it. The auto big wigs flew into D.C. on private jets to ask for our tax payer dollars. The government has the ability to pay for the welfare. They printed money to bail out companies that screwed up your retirement accounts and then went on vacation. That little money that those on welfare receive cannot make a prick into the amount of money that those pricks stole. The wanted to blame the rise in health care to the malpractice suits and the cost of insurance to doctors. So what did the courts do, they limited the amount of damages that could be awarded in malpractice suits. Wake up Everybody. Tell me what sense it makes when they take our money to bail out banks and when we need to borrow money form a bank we have to pay interest on our own money? Can you not see what is happening?

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/law-reg/finalrule/aspesum.htm

Wall street banks took investors money and made bad investiments and did not receive this money back, how did the poor and uneducated lazy people contribute to this theif.Please.

[William Anthony]

always a day late and a dollar short with you! no one is talking about the working poor -- I certainly wasn't because I know that working poor aren't the ones who qualify for the handouts. I am talking about the thousands and thousands of takers who are willing to do nothing and expect everything. martin if I'm going to lose my money, I'd just as soon the big 'whig' get it as the lazy azz whose biggest accomplishment was how many babies he sired in his lifetime. imo

They are talking about the bailout on Fox now. The expert said that under TART the money used to bailout financial institutions, $350 billion, had no oversight, no regulation and no accountability. How many lazy azz' do you think that equates to? Fortunately, most of America disagrees and the experts with you on this one. However, I would be willing to let Congress know that you are willing to donate your money to the big wigs.

[martin II]

and our retirement money was diverted to pay for welfare programs; I have to pay for my doctor and medicine but the lazy azz down the street who 'says' he can't find a job, stays home, makes more babies AND gets free medical, rent, food. no william, it's not the big wigs who have destroyed this economy -- it's the people who continue to drain the resources and expect more but give back nothing.

Your retirement money was invested in wall st investment banks by your retirement fund.That is how you lost you retirement.Uneducated poor people had no hand in that.

[William Anthony]

Your retirement money was invested in wall st investment banks by your retirement fund.That is how you lost you retirement.Uneducated poor people had no hand in that.

Maybe they should have. They might have made smarter investments. :)

[William Anthony]

The poor get poorer and the rich steal more.

[tv]

The most ignorant comment in the history of this forum. Well almost you made another one.

Poor uneduacted people caused wall street white guys to steal large sums of money from working people and destroy their life savings including their 401ks
and tank the economy. Tell Bush that i don't think he is aware.
I am not sure education would help you.

No, not merely poor uneducated people. People that think the world owes them a living and expect to be taken care of when there is no reason they can't take care of themselves. This continues through generations of families. If you think the government can afford to support these professional welfare recipients you are wrong. There's nothing wrong with needing help. I've been in that position myself. Then I worked hard to get an education and stand on my own.

[Kayleighjo]

The most ignorant comment in the history of this forum. Well almost you made another one.


I assume you're not including your own?

[Kayleighjo]

No, not merely poor uneducated people. People that think the world owes them a living and expect to be taken care of when there is no reason they can't take care of themselves. This continues through generations of families. If you think the government can afford to support these professional welfare recipients you are wrong. There's nothing wrong with needing help. I've been in that position myself. Then I worked hard to get an education and stand on my own.

:beer::beer:

Been there too-I needed help in a big way to get back on my feet after my marriage was over and my income alone couldn't support my kids. And then I did the same thing-worked hard to get back on my feet.

[martin II]

They are talking about the bailout on Fox now. The expert said that under TART the money used to bailout financial institutions, $350 billion, had no oversight, no regulation and no accountability. How many lazy azz' do you think that equates to? Fortunately, most of America disagrees and the experts with you on this one. However, I would be willing to let Congress know that you are willing to donate your money to the big wigs.

To blame the current financial crisis on welfare is the largest job of twisting of facts weezer has ever attempted. hahaha

[weezer]

I assume you're not including your own?

he would have thought I was brilliant if I'd only sympathized with his perceived wrongs and bashed the white guy. imo

[martin II]

No, not merely poor uneducated people. People that think the world owes them a living and expect to be taken care of when there is no reason they can't take care of themselves. This continues through generations of families. If you think the government can afford to support these professional welfare recipients you are wrong. There's nothing wrong with needing help. I've been in that position myself. Then I worked hard to get an education and stand on my own.

tv

The cost of welfare had no direct or indirect cause for the current finaicial crisis and i think/hope you know that.

[weezer]

To blame the current financial crisis on welfare is the largest job of twisting of facts weezer has ever attempted. hahaha

see martin what happens when you fail to comprehend? I never said welfare was the blame -- I said people who spend their entire life living off of the system with their hand out and then raise generations of children to be the same way. Hell, everyone has had to ask for help at some point -- unless of course you own your own jet and have access to other people's money -- but those are the times that make you strive for better. I believe welfare is a mindset and for many a career.

[tv]

The most ignorant comment in the history of this forum. Well almost you made another one.

Poor uneduacted people caused wall street white guys to steal large sums of money from working people and destroy their life savings including their 401ks
and tank the economy. Tell Bush that i don't think he is aware.
I am not sure education would help you.

martin, you are aware that there are black men, black women and white women on Wall St. aren't you? What an absolutely racist remark. Your hatred of the white man is ugly. I have three children that are 'white guys' and I find your blaming the problems of the entire world on 'white guys' offensive.

[Kayleighjo]

I am sure on this subject you are way over your head.To blame the majority of people (whites) on welfare for the world economic condition is utter nonsense. The world finaicial community had identified the collaps problem and they dissagree with you. but then you know better. hahahaha

And of course I noticed that you had to throw "whites" in there.

This is what I'm talking about William-he can't just comment on PEOPLE on welfare, he has to note that the majority of those people are whites when that isn't even pertinent to the conversation we're having!

[tv]

tv

The cost of welfare had no direct or indirect cause for the current finaicial crisis and i think/hope you know that.No, martin, I think it's all intertwined. I've been there and I know the mindset of some of these people. You can hardly get to the mailbox on check day. These same people are out doing strenuous activities but claim they can't work. Their children grow up thinking that living on welfare is a normal life. However, I don't blame it on any one skin color as you do. You know like saying 'white guys' are on Wall St. and most people on welfare are white.

[Kayleighjo]

Poor uneduacted people caused wall street white guys to steal large sums of money


Yet another mention of whitey.

I think it's clear martin's got a real big chip on that shoulder. Oh, and that he's consumed with race.

[tv]

:beer::beer:

Been there too-I needed help in a big way to get back on my feet after my marriage was over and my income alone couldn't support my kids. And then I did the same thing-worked hard to get back on my feet.

:beer: Good for you, Kayleighjo. It's so hard because accepting that money is so easy to do. But it's such a limited life and you can't look to the future when you depend on that check. That's what's so wonderful about America -- the opportunity is there if you want to take it.

[William Anthony]

:beer::beer:

Been there too-I needed help in a big way to get back on my feet after my marriage was over and my income alone couldn't support my kids. And then I did the same thing-worked hard to get back on my feet.

That is commendable. However, this is leading to a discussion of cultural alienation and its effects, as well as ascribed status and macrosystems designed to reproduce poverty and inequality, which we do not have time to engage in. The fact is that no one can blame the fall of the economy on welfare recipients and to do so demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge on the economy. I did not mean you as I am sure that is not what you meant. The simple fact is that CEO's made bad decisions and are now coming to Washington looking for welfare.

[martin II]

No, not merely poor uneducated people. People that think the world owes them a living and expect to be taken care of when there is no reason they can't take care of themselves. This continues through generations of families. If you think the government can afford to support these professional welfare recipients you are wrong. There's nothing wrong with needing help. I've been in that position myself. Then I worked hard to get an education and stand on my own.

Exactly what does your post have to do with who, White guys on wall street and mortage companies that caused the currect financial crisis??
You think welfare people were in control of the investment banks and mortage companies.hahahaha

[William Anthony]

:beer: . That's what's so wondeful about America -- the opportunity is there if you want to take it.

For some and not all and that is what is so bad about America.

[Kayleighjo]

That is commendable. However, this is leading to a discussion of cultural alienation and its effects, as well as ascribed status and macrosystems designed to reproduce poverty and inequality, which we do not have time to engage in. The fact is that no one can blame the fall of the economy on welfare recipients and to do so demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge on the economy. I did not mean you as I am sure that is not what you meant. The simple fact is that CEO's made bad decisions and are now coming to Washington looking for welfare.

I fail to see where anyone blamed it on welfare recipients.

[tv]

For some and not all and that is what is so bad about America.

That is not true. There is no one in America that doesn't have the opportunity for an education and a better life. Keep telling yourself that because it helps to justify your position that whites are the root of all evil.

[Kayleighjo]

Exactly what does your post have to do with who, White guys on wall street and mortage companies that caused the currect financial crisis??
You think welfare people were in control of the investment banks and mortage companies.hahahaha

ANOTHER mention of whitey-will wonders never cease? You mention it so often I'm starting to wonder if you wish you were one of them.

[weezer]

That is not true. There is no one in America that doesn't have the opportunity for an education and a better life. Keep telling yourself that because it helps to justify your position that whites are the root of all evil.

:beer::beer:

[martin II]

No, martin, I think it's all intertwined. I've been there and I know the mindset of some of these people. You can hardly get to the mailbox on check day. These same people are out doing strenuous activities but claim they can't work. Their children grow up thinking that living on welfare is a normal life. However, I don't blame it on any one skin color as you do. You know like saying 'white guys' are on Wall St. and most people on welfare are white.

It is what it is.
We must look to those that were in charge of the money/economy.So you tell me who that was/is.
Congress dissagree with you and weezer.

[tv]

Exactly what does your post have to do with who, White guys on wall street and mortage companies that caused the currect financial crisis??
You think welfare people were in control of the investment banks and mortage companies.hahahahaDo you have even a clue how much money goes out each and every month in health care and welfare checks in America? There are people that need and deserve the help but the majority of them are just sitting on their butts letting the taxpayers take care of them. I know first hand what I'm talking about so don't try to say I don't know about the 'poor experience'.

[tv]

It is what it is.
We must look to those that were in charge of the money/economy.So you tell me who that was/is.
Congress dissagree with you and weezer.You mean the democrat controlled Congress? The big spenders? hahaha

[William Anthony]

I fail to see where anyone blamed it on welfare recipients.

Here you go.

and our retirement money was diverted to pay for welfare programs; I have to pay for my doctor and medicine but the lazy azz down the street who 'says' he can't find a job, stays home, makes more babies AND gets free medical, rent, food. no william, it's not the big wigs who have destroyed this economy -- it's the people who continue to drain the resources and expect more but give back nothing.

[Kayleighjo]

For some and not all and that is what is so bad about America.

Who doesn't have the opportunity? My ex-husband was a black man who grew up in the ghetto and went to under funded inner city schools with crappy teachers who didn't care about a kid's education. He wanted something different so he got his public library card and he read and he concentrated on his studies and stayed out of trouble. He had a good grade point average and got student loans for college-where he graduated with honors and went on to law school-where he graduated with honors. He always talked about how being black and growing up poor didn't deprive him of opportunity if he chose to seize it-it's probably the only thing about the guy that I admired.

[William Anthony]

You mean the democrat controlled Congress? The big spenders? hahaha

The democrats still do not control Congress, although they do have a majority. However, it was the Republicans who were annoyed with Bush over his spending programs. Remember?

[Kayleighjo]

Here you go.

I thought we were talking about something more than just the Wall Street crash. The economy's been in the toilet for a long time now.

[tv]

Who doesn't have the opportunity? My ex-husband was a black man who grew up in the ghetto and went to under funded inner city schools with crappy teachers who didn't care about a kid's education. He wanted something different so he got his public library card and he read and he concentrated on his studies and stayed out of trouble. He had a good grade point average and got student loans for college-where he graduated with honors and went on to law school-where he graduated with honors. He always talked about how being black and growing up poor didn't deprive him of opportunity if he chose to seize it-it's probably the only thing about the guy that I admired.Thanks, Kayleighjo. This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's all about determination and desire. There are other people in my life with similar experiences and they are to be admired -- it's not easy but it can be done.

[William Anthony]

Who doesn't have the opportunity? My ex-husband was a black man who grew up in the ghetto and went to under funded inner city schools with crappy teachers who didn't care about a kid's education. He wanted something different so he got his public library card and he read and he concentrated on his studies and stayed out of trouble. He had a good grade point average and got student loans for college-where he graduated with honors and went on to law school-where he graduated with honors. He always talked about how being black and growing up poor didn't deprive him of opportunity if he chose to seize it-it's probably the only thing about the guy that I admired.

Interesting that you would bring this up, because it goes back to what my sociology instructor said, when the class was downing some mothers. She said that she did not see bad people, because she understood that circumstances affect some differently than others. What she saw were people who were not able to overcome circumstances because of how it affected them. When I went into an alcohol abuse program, I was told that I was oversensitive and so were most of the alcoholics in the community. I think until opportunities are made not dependent on circumstances, then there will always be those who remain disadvantaged by those circumstances.

[tv]

The democrats still do not control Congress, although they do have a majority. However, it was the Republicans who were annoyed with Bush over his spending programs. Remember?William, don't parse meanings. The democrats have the majority in Congress. I don't agree with their policies and spending habits but I hope they succeed in making this country better. When they do well and the President does well it's good for the country.

[William Anthony]

I thought we were talking about something more than just the Wall Street crash. The economy's been in the toilet for a long time now.

You asked about who blamed welfare recipients and I supplied it.

[martin II]

No, martin, I think it's all intertwined. I've been there and I know the mindset of some of these people. You can hardly get to the mailbox on check day. These same people are out doing strenuous activities but claim they can't work. Their children grow up thinking that living on welfare is a normal life. However, I don't blame it on any one skin color as you do. You know like saying 'white guys' are on Wall St. and most people on welfare are white.

TV
Not enterwined at all.

If you want to discuss the cost of entitlements on the federal budget we can.

The question before us is what caused the current financial crisis. Congress and all other world financial experts put the blame on wall street investment banks bad investments and fradulant mortage companies activities. 401 companies invested workers funds in these investments banks and they blew the money.Fradulant mortage companies inflated loans to borrowers only for higher commission fees.Those are the facts as recognized by congress.Do you agree?

Weezer believe this crisis was caused by lazy nonworking no good welfare people, do you agree?

[William Anthony]

William, don't parse meanings. The democrats have the majority in Congress. I don't agree with their policies and spending habits but I hope they succeed in making this country better. When they do well and the President does well it's good for the country.

Parse meanings. I am going by what you said. See what I mean by that inexact language thing? :)

[tv]

Interesting that you would bring this up, because it goes back to what my sociology instructor said, when the class was downing some mothers. She said that she did not see bad people, because she understood that circumstances affect some differently than others. What she saw were people who were not able to overcome circumstances because of how it affected them. When I went into an alcohol abuse program, I was told that I was oversensitive and so were most of the alcoholics in the community. I think until opportunities are made not dependent on circumstances, then there will always be those who remain disadvantaged by those circumstances.

So some people should stay on the public dole all their lives because they're sensitive? Mentally ill, disabled, elderly are good reasons -- sensitve is a new one for me.

[tv]

Parse meanings. I am going by what you said. See what I mean by that inexact language thing? :)You know what I meant when I posted it. I'm not going to argue this point.

[tv]

TV
Not enterwined at all.

If you want to discuss the cost of entitlements on the federal budget we can.

The question before us is what caused the current financial crisis. Congress and all other world financial experts put the blame on wall street investment banks bad investments and fradulant mortage companies activities. 401 companies invested workers funds in these investments banks and they blew the money.Fradulant mortage companies inflated loans to borrowers only for higher commission fees.Those are the facts as recognized by congress.Do you agree?

Weezer believe this crisis was caused by lazy nonworking no good welfare people, do you agree?I've stated where I stand on this issue so I'll let it go at that. You lost me a while back with the 'white guys' remark.

[weezer]

TV
Not enterwined at all.

If you want to discuss the cost of entitlements on the federal budget we can.

The question before us is what caused the current financial crisis. Congress and all other world financial experts put the blame on wall street investment banks bad investments and fradulant mortage companies activities. 401 companies invested workers funds in these investments banks and they blew the money.Fradulant mortage companies inflated loans to borrowers only for higher commission fees.Those are the facts as recognized by congress.Do you agree?

Weezer believe this crisis was caused by lazy nonworking no good welfare people, do you agree?

LOL -- you don't have a clue what 'weezer believes' --

your understanding of the economy is laughable -- almost.

[William Anthony]

Thanks, Kayleighjo. This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's all about determination and desire. There are other people in my life with similar experiences and they are to be admired -- it's not easy but it can be done.

It's all about how the system impacted your ancestors and they in turn impacted their children and they in turn impacted their children and so forth and so on. Have you ever read the book, "The Good Black"? It will give both you and Kayleighjo and insight into how successful one can become depending on who he encounters. It is not just ambition and drive. Sometimes it includes life chances.

[weezer]

So some people should stay on the public dole all their lives because they're sensitive? Mentally ill, disabled, elderly are good reasons -- sensitve is a new one for me.

I think that's short for 'chip on the shoulder' -- :shrug:

[William Anthony]

LOL -- you don't have a clue what 'weezer believes' --

your understanding of the economy is laughable -- almost.

Are you looking in the mirror again?

[martin II]

LOL -- you don't have a clue what 'weezer believes' --

your understanding of the economy is laughable -- almost.

I can only take your statement as to what you believe.

[William Anthony]

You know what I meant when I posted it. I'm not going to argue this point.

I know what you said. :)

[tv]

I think that's short for 'chip on the shoulder' -- :shrug:

I have to agree. The chip on the shoulder is one of the reasons we get nowhere in our discussions. It's similar to the hole in the soul but not quite as bad. :)

[martin II]

I've stated where I stand on this issue so I'll let it go at that. You lost me a while back with the 'white guys' remark.

tv
I am not sure that you have given answers to my quesitons but ok.

[William Anthony]

So some people should stay on the public dole all their lives because they're sensitive? Mentally ill, disabled, elderly are good reasons -- sensitve is a new one for me.

I am not surprised that sensitive is new to you. ;):cool:

[tv]

tv
I am not sure that you have given answers to my quesitons but ok.I've told you how I feel about the welfare system. I've told you I think the problems are intertwined. I don't know what else you want.

[William Anthony]

I have to agree. The chip on the shoulder is one of the reasons we get nowhere in our discussions. It's similar to the hole in the soul but not quite as bad. :)

And truly not as bad as barefooting. ;):cool:

[weezer]

And truly not as bad as barefooting. ;):cool:

dude -- you spend waaaaay too much time worrying about MY feet.

[tv]

I am not surprised that sensitive is new to you. ;):cool:See, you learned something new today. ;)

[tv]

dude -- you spend waaaaay too much time worrying about MY feet.
Psst -- it could be a jealousy thing -- remember William is missing toenails and appears to be very sensitive about it.

[Kayleighjo]

Interesting that you would bring this up, because it goes back to what my sociology instructor said, when the class was downing some mothers. She said that she did not see bad people, because she understood that circumstances affect some differently than others. What she saw were people who were not able to overcome circumstances because of how it affected them. When I went into an alcohol abuse program, I was told that I was oversensitive and so were most of the alcoholics in the community. I think until opportunities are made not dependent on circumstances, then there will always be those who remain disadvantaged by those circumstances.

I get it-it's all about excuses.

[William Anthony]

Tiptoe through the grass, being careful not to awake those lazy azz welfare recipients that are destroying our economy. Wonder why the government didn't awaken them? Oh yes, the democrats were in control. ;):cool:

[martin II]

The democrats still do not control Congress, although they do have a majority. However, it was the Republicans who were annoyed with Bush over his spending programs. Remember?

George bush and the republicans have ran up the largest defecit in the history of the country.Blame that on the democrats.

[tv]

Tiptoe through the grass, being careful not to awake those lazy azz welfare recipients that are destroying our economy. Wonder why the government didn't awaken them? Oh yes, the democrats were in control. ;):cool:You can take what was said and twist it any way you wish. Have a lovely evening, William. :seeya:

[William Anthony]

I get it-it's all about excuses.

No, it is about a system designed to perpetrate inequality and poverty based on Capitalism and to promote a lack of social and economic mobility, because the more the poor work, the more they increase production that results in larger profits for the capitalist. Therefore, you can see it is self-defeating for those in power to eradicate poverty and beneficial to perpetrate it.

[tv]

George bush and the republicans have ran up the largest defecit in the history of the country.Blame that on the democrats.
Your knowledge of politics and government would fit on the head of a pin. :seeya:

[martin II]

dude -- you spend waaaaay too much time worrying about MY feet.

Oh so that is a picture of YOUR feet??

[William Anthony]

You can take what was said and twist it any way you wish. Have a lovely evening, William. :seeya:

No need to twist. That is what was said and yes it leaves a hole in the soul. You have a wonderful evening also. :)

[martin II]

Your knowledge of politics and government would fit on the head of a pin. :seeya:

Ask any real conservative republican if this is the source of their dissagreement with bush and then come back.

[William Anthony]

dude -- you spend waaaaay too much time worrying about MY feet.

That decency and respect thing still haunts me.

[weezer]

Oh so that is a picture of YOUR feet??

if I say yes will you confess to being the fat black man in your avatar?

[martin II]

Your knowledge of politics and government would fit on the head of a pin. :seeya:

You dissagree with congress on the cause of the economic crisis. I feel very confident in my knowledge of politics and government which is why i discuss the subjects. Seems to me it is you that is following ignorant information.:cool:

[tv]

if I say yes will you confess to being the fat black man in your avatar?

I've heard there is such a thing as a foot fetish. I'm beginning to think we have two shining examples right here in our forum. Have a good evening weezer. :seeya:

[William Anthony]

I've heard there is such a thing as a foot fetish. I'm beginning to think we have two shining examples right here in our forum. Have a good evening weezer. :seeya:

Have you heard about sensitive decent respect? ;):cool:

[tv]

Have you heard about sensitive decent respect? ;):cool:
I guess I have now. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

if I say yes will you confess to being the fat black man in your avatar?

NO

The black man in my avatar if none other than the world famous musician Mr Charles Mingus. But again that knowledge may be out of your league.:cool:

[William Anthony]

I guess I have now. :rolleyes:

Good. Maybe, you can inform some of you friends.

[weezer]

I've heard there is such a thing as a foot fetish. I'm beginning to think we have two shining examples right here in our forum. Have a good evening weezer. :seeya:

good night tv -- have a safe evening.

[William Anthony]

I would like to second that wish for a safe good night.

Don't stump your toe on anything. :)

[martin II]

I've heard there is such a thing as a foot fetish. I'm beginning to think we have two shining examples right here in our forum. Have a good evening weezer. :seeya:

I have had at least four people contact me asking what weezers toes stood for.You would not want to read the comments.hahaha

[weezer]

I have had at least four people contact me asking what weezers toes stood for.You would not want to read the comments.hahaha

and thought you would know? LOL

[martin II]

and thought you would know? LOL

Yep and i had no answer.But glad you gave the answer to the ownership.

[martin II]

The cause of the financial crisis according to weezer.

martin it is not the 'holders of power' who 'tank' the economies -- it's the people who don't contribute; the people who believe someone owes them something for nothing; people who don't have the gumption and/or will to make it better. get an education yourself, keep your kids in school, get a job, pay your taxes. . .

[martin II]

I've told you how I feel about the welfare system. I've told you I think the problems are intertwined. I don't know what else you want.

Well since you believe the welfare system caused the financial collaps i now understand you are void of any understanding of high finance, investment banking or your government budget. A half of a pin head would hold your knowledge and have room to spare.Gees:cool:

[weezer]

Well since you believe the welfare system caused the financial collaps i now understand you are void of any understanding of high finance, investment banking or your government budget. A half of a pin head would hold your knowledge and have room to spare.Gees:cool:

no one is saying the welfare system is the sole cause of the financial 'collaps'. now your statement that the 'white' guys on wall street caused it is really, really dumb. gees:cool:

[martin II]

I've heard there is such a thing as a foot fetish. I'm beginning to think we have two shining examples right here in our forum. Have a good evening weezer. :seeya:

I think it is unfortunate, but this thread seems to have attracted an abundance of abused people which could be the root of some the anger and biased expressed towards blacks, other miniroties and men. But on the other hand how could Blacks, other minorities and men be blamed for personal choices people have made that put them in bad situations.Everyone makes their own choices for different reasons.

[martin II]

no one is saying the welfare system is the sole cause of the financial 'collaps'. now your statement that the 'white' guys on wall street caused it is really, really dumb. gees:cool:

Who were the people by gender and race that were in charge of the financial markets that stole your 401 k?

Which political party faught for no regulation of these markets in congress for the last 10-15 years.
They are who they are and that you cannot change.

[weezer]

Who were the people by gender and race that were in charge of the financial markets that stole your 401 k?

Which political party faught for no regulation of these markets in congress for the last 10-15 years.
They are who they are and that you cannot change.

LOL -- you poor uninformed person.

[martin II]

no one is saying the welfare system is the sole cause of the financial 'collaps'. now your statement that the 'white' guys on wall street caused it is really, really dumb. gees:cool:

You said it.
Well if you want to talk about spending President Bush's Iraq war has cost americans 3 trilliam u.s.d. so far with more to come.Several billion per month and we got what? No WMD and about 4,000 dead good American young boys and over 10,000 injured with lost limbs etc.
You need a budget lesson to being you up to speed and rid you of some of your ignorance on the subject.imo

[martin II]

LOL -- you poor uninformed person.

I guees it serves some other purpose to blame welfare people for the financial problem creatred by your beloved white guys The ones that stole your 401k. hahahaha

[martin II]

LOL -- you poor uninformed person.

I will put my knowledge on finances, Investment banking and government budget against yours any day you are ready.:cool:

[martin II]

no one is saying the welfare system is the sole cause of the financial 'collaps'. now your statement that the 'white' guys on wall street caused it is really, really dumb. gees:cool:

The cause of the financial crisis according to weezer.

martin it is not the 'holders of power' who 'tank' the economies -- it's the people who don't contribute; the people who believe someone owes them something for nothing; people who don't have the gumption and/or will to make it better. get an education yourself, keep your kids in school, get a job, pay your taxes. . .

[martin II]

LOL -- you poor uninformed person.

Weezer

Finance no 101

If there was no welfare system. no check to no poor people,that money would be in the u.s. Treasury Depertment.Considering the current financial
bailout situation, what do you believe the Treasury would use that welfare money for?

[tv]

I think it is unfortunate, but this thread seems to have attracted an abundance of abused people which could be the root of some the anger and biased expressed towards blacks, other miniroties and men. But on the other hand how could Blacks, other minorities and men be blamed for personal choices people have made that put them in bad situations.Everyone makes their own choices for different reasons.

martin, this looks exactly like something William would post. Is he giving you information to post again? :cool:

[William Anthony]

martin, this looks exactly like something William would post. Is he giving you information to post again? :cool:

I would not say this, as I do not know about most of the people here. IIRC, only a couple have shared their stories, since I have been a member.

[martin II]

martin, this looks exactly like something William would post. Is he giving you information to post again? :cool:

tv

maby you should adjust your eyes.

[William Anthony]

Yesterday, I mentioned the book, The Good Black. It tells the story of a Black man, who "played by the rules" and was hired by a law firm that discriminated against him, filed suit an was awarded 2.5 million dollars. However, the law firm filed appeals and the court then took away his award, saying he had not proven any aspects of his case. The cout basically entered a judgment N.O.V. If anyone reads the case they will see how it was only possible and I believe it still is for most Blacks to only rise so far. It is one thing to be a lawyer and another to be an owner in a law firm.

http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/dc/opinions/96opinions/96-7152a.pdf

[William Anthony]

tv

maby you should adjust your eyes.

By her own admission she is aligned with one with cloudy vision and another (you know that stuff about the toe). :)

[martin II]

Yesterday, I mentioned the book, The Good Black. It tells the story of a Black man, who "played by the rules" and was hired by a law firm that discriminated against him, filed suit an was awarded 2.5 million dollars. However, the law firm filed appeals and the court then took away his award, saying he had not proven any aspects of his case. The cout basically entered a judgment N.O.V. If anyone reads the case they will see how it was only possible and I believe it still is for most Blacks to only rise so far. It is one thing to be a lawyer and another to be an owner in a law firm.

http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/dc/opinions/96opinions/96-7152a.pdf


As i have stated before it is strange that a appeals court would over turn a tryer of fact court unless juducial misconduct is found.

I will tell you of a case i was involved in.

A black man, a defense contractor won a large award ($40,000.000.00) against the defense department in a lower Gov. military court. The Gov appealed to the u,s, appeals court.

The appeals court could not find judicial misconduct, so they changed the facts of the case and ruled against the black man. The issues they used to rule against the man were not issues that the Gov had asked for in their appeal. Go figure.

[martin II]

By her own admission she is aligned with one with cloudy vision and another (you know that stuff about the toe). :)

tv seems to think that others are doing what she may be doing with her friend.

[William Anthony]

As i have stated before it is strange that a appeals court would over turn a tryer of fact court unless juducial misconduct is found.

I will tell you of a case i was involved in.

A black man, a defense contractor won a large award ($40,000.000.00) against the defense department in a lower Gov. military court. The Gov appealed to the u,s, appeals court.

The appeals court could not find judicial misconduct, so they changed the facts of the case and ruled against the black man. The issues they used to rule against the man were not issues that the Gov had asked for in their appeal. Go figure.

In the first discrimination law suit I filed I had an abundance of proof and sought a prominent Black Attorney to handle the case. He reviewed my evidence and told me that he would have jumped at it if I were White, because "we had become unfashionable". I handled the suit myself and had no idea how the courts operated on the law. This company also settle but it was an uphill battle. I filed under the statute referred to as the Klu Klux Klan act. The court uses the shifting burden analysis but very few use the analysis in another more recent case, when it comes to a mixed motive case. Congress amended the statue, because it had become obvious how the court was ruling. However, and I can't remember the name of the case, they seldom use that standard. When Congress amended the statute, they took away an allowance for punitive damages in mixed motive cases. Thus, while your burden of proof may have been lessened, so has the amount or types of damages you are entitled to. Here is the amendment.

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/cra91.html

[William Anthony]

tv seems to think that others are doing what she may be doing with her friend.

Tv is okay and intelligent but loyal to a fault. :) I mean really lazy azz people cause the economy to falter.:) You think we should ask for a link from the federal government saying that. I thought the media and some others want to blame the union for the auto industry's dilemma?

[martin II]

Tv is okay and intelligent but loyal to a fault. :) I mean really lazy azz people cause the economy to falter.:) You think we should ask for a link from the federal government saying that. I thought the media and some others want to blame the union for the auto industry's dilemma?

Last week congress brought the three auto executives to the bar and blamed them for mismanagement of the auto industry.I did not see any lazy ass welfare people being blamed then or now.
I think that some times people that are barely making it become angry with their own situation and look for others to blame.Poor people are always a easy target for some and the system that breeds poverty is never blamed.
The majority of people on welfare are white and they have been screwed by the system as have other minorities.But it seems that the scorn against welfare is directed against minorities.That is based on ignorance.imo

[William Anthony]

Last week congress brought the three auto executives to the bar and blamed them for mismanagement of the auto industry.I did not see any lazy ass welfare people being blamed then or now.
I think that some times people that are barely making it become angry with their own situation and look for others to blame.Poor people are always a easy target for some and the system that breeds poverty is never blamed.
The majority of people on welfare are white and they have been screwed by the system as have other minorities.But it seems that the scorn against welfare is directed against minorities.That is based on ignorance.imo

It is a divisive tactic promulgated by media and those in power, imho, to try to curtail class consciousness. When you stop and think about it, how much better off are the working poor than the homeless-a paycheck away in most cases. However, that does not reduce the scorn of some, who look at them when they beg for money. yes, there are some, who simply panhandle as a means of income and have homes and cars nicer than the ones some of us drive. Unfortunately, they make it hard for those that really need the help. However, we should not fall into the ploy that has been launched against us, imho. Let's put the blame where it lies/lays (don't know which is correct). Those in power feel that they are ENTITLED to be bailed out.

[martin II]

In the first discrimination law suit I filed I had an abundance of proof and sought a prominent Black Attorney to handle the case. He reviewed my evidence and told me that he would have jumped at it if I were White, because "we had become unfashionable". I handled the suit myself and had no idea how the courts operated on the law. This company also settle but it was an uphill battle. I filed under the statute referred to as the Klu Klux Klan act. The court uses the shifting burden analysis but very few use the analysis in another more recent case, when it comes to a mixed motive case. Congress amended the statue, because it had become obvious how the court was ruling. However, and I can't remember the name of the case, they seldom use that standard. When Congress amended the statute, they took away an allowance for punitive damages in mixed motive cases. Thus, while your burden of proof may have been lessened, so has the amount or types of damages you are entitled to. Here is the amendment.

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/cra91.html


In the case i referred to the ABSCA court ruled that the gov had defaulted on their obligations by not paying invoices in a timely manner and causing product delivery to slow which they then used to cancel his contract and give that contract to a white company that was not qualified under the Welsh act.The appeals court did not find that the Absca court ruled unfairly
but they created a new issue not part of the original case and ruled against the Black man. Congress is looking at this case now.

[William Anthony]

In the case i referred to the ABSCA court ruled that the gov had defaulted on their obligations by not paying invoices in a timely manner and causing product delivery to slow which they then used to cancel his contract and give that contract to a white company that was not qualified under the Welsh act.The appeals court did not find that the Absca court ruled unfairly
but they created a new issue not part of the original case and ruled against the Black man. Congress is looking at this case now.

I will admit that I have become frustrated and have not devoted any time to preparing myself to take the LSATs for law school, after reading some of the cases and seeing the courts' rulings. The thing is that they can inteprest the law as they so desire based on their particular ideologies and one might well find himself with a cause without a cure. I may be having an attack of senior blues and I hope that is all it is. :)

[martin II]

It is a divisive tactic promulgated by media and those in power, imho, to try to curtail class consciousness. When you stop and think about it, how much better off are the working poor than the homeless-a paycheck away in most cases. However, that does not reduce the scorn of some, who look at them when they beg for money. yes, there are some, who simply panhandle as a means of income and have homes and cars nicer than the ones some of us drive. Unfortunately, they make it hard for those that really need the help. However, we should not fall into the ploy that has been launched against us, imho. Let's put the blame where it lies/lays (don't know which is correct). Those in power feel that they are ENTITLED to be bailed out.


True.The auto industry executives came to comgress begging for taxpayer money without a detail plan in hand as if they were saying we are the rich
we are entitled to taxpayer money.Forget the idea that we caused the downfall of our companies, give us the money. That is the Arrogance of the American white guys that hold the power in our industries. The poor welfare person getting $150.00 a month had nothing to do with this crisis.It is what it is.

[William Anthony]

True.The auto industry executives came to comgress begging for taxpayer money without a detail plan in hand as if they were saying we are the rich
we are entitled to taxpayer money.Forget the idea that we caused the downfall of our companies, give us the money. That is the Arrogance of the American white guys that hold the power in our industries. The poor welfare person getting $150.00 a month had nothing to do with this crisis.It is what it is.

Yes, I amazed that some are not outraged over their ENTITLEMENT. I guess it depends on who feels ENTITLED.

[martin II]

I will admit that I have become frustrated and have not devoted any time to preparing myself to take the LSATs for law school, after reading some of the cases and seeing the courts' rulings. The thing is that they can inteprest the law as they so desire based on their particular ideologies and one might well find himself with a cause without a cure. I may be having an attack of senior blues and I hope that is all it is. :)

Ps This case has been going on for 20 years.The gov often times tie cases up in court hoping the plantiff runs out of money or desire to fight.This plaintiff is still fighting.

[William Anthony]

Ps This case has been going on for 20 years.The gov often times tie cases up in court hoping the plantiff runs out of money or desire to fight.This plaintiff is still fighting.

I could tell that you had some knowledge of the law from your posts. I understand why now. That is truly a tactic and it is spoken about in the movie, A Civil Action. A good motions lawyer can tie a case up for years. Good luck. Which agency rule are you alleging they violated? Send it to me in a pm or otherwise, so that I can read the statute. In my down time yesterday, I read some of the executive orders Bush signed. I don't know if any play a part in your cause of action but you may want to take a look at them.

[martin II]

Yes, I amazed that some are not outraged over their ENTITLEMENT. I guess it depends on who feels ENTITLED.

It is like these guys have a gun to the taxpayers heard. Give us the 50B or we will lay off 3,000,000 taxpayers and damage the economy further.Yet they are pulling down millions of dollare for themselves and other executives as they have destroyed the companies they manage. Yet some say well lets not blame the big guys lets blame the little poor welfare guy down the street from me as he looks like he could work and his woman has already had more than one child. imo

[William Anthony]

It is like these guys have a gun to the taxpayers heard. Give us the 50B or we will lay off 3,000,000 taxpayers and damage the economy further.Yet they are pulling down millions of dollare for themselves and other executives as they have destroyed the companies they manage. Yet some say well lets not blame the big guys lets blame the little poor welfare guy down the street from me as he looks like he could work and his woman has already had more than one child. imo

I guess if we had castrated all the males that were unemployed and had forced abortions on the women that got pregnant by them that would solve our current economic crisis. Heck, why did we just not kill them all? We could have put them in slavery and forced them to work without pay and half-feed them and their children and that would have saved our economy, I guess? :)

[martin II]

I could tell that you had some knowledge of the law from your posts. I understand why now. That is truly a tactic and it is spoken about in the movie, A Civil Action. A good motions lawyer can tie a case up for years. Good luck. Which agency rule are you alleging they violated? Send it to me in a pm or otherwise, so that I can read the statute. In my down time yesterday, I read some of the executive orders Bush signed. I don't know if any play a part in your cause of action but you may want to take a look at them.

The defense agency had a contract with this defense contractor to supply MREs. The contractor was delivering on schedule until the gov contract manager stopped paying his invoices on trime for no cause. The military arbitration court ABSCA, ruled that the military defauted on their obligation to
pay and that the military had no cause to not pay his invoices or to cancel his contract.Because the amount of the award was so large and the military knew they would have to ask congress to make the award available they just got the u.s. appeals court to create a issue not asked for my the military(the appeals court changed the facts of the case) to rule against the plaintiff.
case to you.The military cancelled the mans contract and gave it to a white company. When the man challanged this action the military contract office lied to judge Motley when he certified that the white company met the Labor department requiirements when he knew the labor department had ruled that the white company did not meet the requirements to get the MRE contract.
The contract officer did this because this black man was the first to get such a defense contract and they did not want him in the MRE program.
I will send you a media report on the case.

[William Anthony]

The defense agency had a contract with this defense contractor to supply MREs. The contractor was delivering on schedule until the gov contract manager stopped paying his invoices on trime for no cause. The military arbitration court ABSCA, ruled that the military defauted on their obligation to
pay and that the military had no cause to not pay his invoices or to cancel his contract.Because the amount of the award was so large and the military knew they would have to ask congress to make the award available they just got the u.s. appeals court to create a issue not asked for my the military(the appeals court changed the facts of the case) to rule against the plaintiff.
I will send a media report on the case to you.

I am glad you responded, because you would have to go back and look at the executive orders for the last 20 years+. Yes, do send me the media report and I know that military law differs from our court system in some aspects. I understand now why you say and I agree that under normal circumstances a court can not rule on the facts on appeal. However, that is just what they did in the case of the good Black but concealed it as an examination of the evidence. A jury had decided the facts. The jury had decided that by a preponderance of the evidence the law firm had discriminated against him. Your situation seems somewhat similar and I hope you are able to get it to trial.

[martin II]

I guess if we had castrated all the males that were unemployed and had forced abortions on the women that got pregnant by them that would solve our current economic crisis. Heck, why did we just not kill them all? We could have put them in slavery and forced them to work without pay and half-feed them and their children and that would have saved our economy, I guess? :)

Or put a couple of posters in charge of the welfare system to make sure the ones down the street that LOOK healthy are kicked off.We cannot have welfare people living in our communities.

[martin II]

I am glad you responded, because you would have to go back and look at the executive orders for the last 20 years+. Yes, do send me the media report and I know that military law differs from our court system in some aspects. I understand now why you say and I agree that under normal circumstances a court can not rule on the facts on appeal. However, that is just what they did in the case of the good Black but concealed it as an examination of the evidence. A jury had decided the facts. The jury had decided that by a preponderance of the evidence the law firm had discriminated against him. Your situation seems somewhat similar and I hope you are able to get it to trial.

The ABSCA court was a trial and they ruled for the plaintiff.
See the article
The plaintiff has spent 2.6 million on lawyers fee fighting the gov. so far. THE Military was forced to pay him $5,000,000 on a side issue but they still owe him a hugh amount which he is going after.

[William Anthony]

Or put a couple of posters in charge of the welfare system to make sure the ones down the street that LOOK healthy are kicked off.We cannot have welfare people living in our communities.

I have no problem with them living in my community so long as they stop trying to control the economy. They should know that they are not as well equipped as those who have ruined it. They could not possibly ruin it half as well and they should know that.

[martin II]

I am glad you responded, because you would have to go back and look at the executive orders for the last 20 years+. Yes, do send me the media report and I know that military law differs from our court system in some aspects. I understand now why you say and I agree that under normal circumstances a court can not rule on the facts on appeal. However, that is just what they did in the case of the good Black but concealed it as an examination of the evidence. A jury had decided the facts. The jury had decided that by a preponderance of the evidence the law firm had discriminated against him. Your situation seems somewhat similar and I hope you are able to get it to trial.

In this case the u.s. appeals court broke the law and congress will now have to correct their error.

[William Anthony]

In this case the u.s. appeals court broke the law and congress will now have to correct their error.

Send me the media reports so that I will be somewhat informed.

[martin II]

I have no problem with them living in my community so long as they stop trying to control the economy. They should know that they are not as well equipped as those who have ruined it. They could not possibly ruin it half as well and they should know that.

Today as a result of 8 years of republican administration we have more people on food stamps than at any time in the history of the country.I know school teachers and other city employees that receive food stamps.
It seems that when some people get a extra $100.00 in their pockets they automatically look to see who is lower on the ladder them themselves to attack.
As a result of the screw up of those who Weezer like, the big guys, many state goverments are forced to make cutbacks in Medicare and medicaid.
Old people receiving medicare must have caused the financial problems.

[martin II]

Send me the media reports so that I will be somewhat informed.

you have it

[William Anthony]

Today as a result of 8 years of republican administration we have more people on food stamps than at any time in the history of the country.I know school teachers and other city employees that receive food stamps.
It seems that when some people get a extra $100.00 in their pockets they automatically look to see who is lower on the ladder them themselves to attack.
As a result of the screw up of those who Weezer like, the big guys, many state goverments are forced to make cutbacks in Medicare and medicaid.
Old people receiving medicare must have caused the financial problems.

They say that social security is in danger because people are living longer. I guess if they keep people poor and without health care, then they will die earlier and that might save social security. What is wrong with Obama promoting universal health care? Is he trying to ruin the economy? :)

[William Anthony]

you have it

Thanks.

[weezer]

It has never been my contention that people in need should be denied services. I support that wholeheartedly. I do not support people who for generations have abused the system and deplete services that are meant for people in true need. The fact that some posters want to twist what I have stated as something more than what I intended, speaks to their animus. There is one point that needs to be cleared since martin has repeatedly insisted and posted as fact regarding the racial makeup of welfare recipients. I've never made a distinction as to the race of recipients and/or abusers because I don't think that is what is important. The following information is from 2000:

"Racial and Ethnic Characteristics of Welfare Recipients
The U.S. Census Bureau reported that in 2000, 15.2 percent of white non-Hispanics, 44 percent of African-Americans, and 48.5 percent of persons of Hispanic origin (persons of Hispanic origin can be of any race) lived in households receiving some form of means-tested assistance. Among those with incomes below the poverty line, 53.1 percent of white non-Hispanics, 80.8 percent of African-Americans, and 77.9 percent of Hispanics received benefits."

<a href="http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/901/Who-Receives-Benefits-AN-OVERVIEW-WELFARE-PROGRAM-PARTICIPATION.html">Who Receives Benefits? - An Overview Of Welfare Program Participation</a>

[William Anthony]

Here is an article dated 2008 that may put the notion of welfare in its proper perspective. Regardless of who is on it, it does not make sense to blame them for the economic breakdown we are currently experiencing. The notion that these people caused the breakdown speaks to the poster's animus, imho.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_edward_r_080326_misdirections_and_mi.htm

[William Anthony]

For those truly interested in understanding the effects of social stratification in perpetrating inequality and poverty and what is has to do with social reproduction or families staying in poverty,

http://books.google.com/books?id=-tMcNj4ZBncC&pg=PA357&lpg=PA357&dq=How+class+statification+perpetuates+poverty&source=web&ots=Aj24nlBvDA&sig=CJl3s_aWx77FaBe_RK9iuFNhDxw&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result

[tv]

William and martin, the two of you are a couple of jackasses. Why don't you respond to what was posted by weezer and myself instead of twisting what we say and being sarcastic?

William, you're always saying you want open and honest communication to solve problems but then you ridicule anything honest that is posted that doesn't fit your view of the world.

martin, I doubt you get as many PMs about weezer's avatar as I get PMs from people saying you're an ignorant racist. If you only knew how foolish you look blaming every problem in the world on 'white guys'.

You two just keep on. I'm not going to defend my position to either one of you again. I've come to realize that if you didn't have whitey to blame for everything you might have to admit that people are responsible for their own lives and choices. It scares you to think you might have to give up your built-in excuse for failure. You're just two bitter old black men that wallow in the injustices of the past and love every minute of it.

[William Anthony]

William and martin, the two of you are a couple of jackasses. Why don't you respond to what was posted by weezer and myself instead of twisting what we say and being sarcastic?

William, you're always saying you want open and honest communication to solve problems but then you ridicule anything honest that is posted that doesn't fit your view of the world.

martin, I doubt you get as many PMs about weezer's avatar as I get PMs from people saying you're an ignorant racist. If you only knew how foolish you look blaming every problem in the world on 'white guys'.

You two just keep on. I'm not going to defend my position to either one of you again. I've come to realize that if you didn't have whitey to blame for everything you might have to admit that people are responsible for their own lives and choices. It scares you to think you might have to give up your built-in excuse for failure. You're just two bitter old black men that wallow in the injustices of the past and love every minute of it.

I see that you just want us to dismiss another post that is insensitive, callous and unthinking, because it came from your friend. I am ridiculing the unreasonableness of the post and not the poster. I am sure that your friend can take the teasing about an avatar as she did more than tease about a sensitive avatar, causing one poster to leave the community. There was no need to twist. Kayleighjo asked for the post saying that welfare recipients caused the failure in the economy and I reposted it. I cannot help who it belonged to. You do have a point about open and honest discussion, because I could not believe that any rational person, who has a television, would blame welfare recipients. I took it as a slight and questioned why some, who have been so vocal about entitlements, had not spoken out about the entitlements of those in power.

The fact is that those in power control what happens in America. I am sure you understand that. I cannot help it that those in power have been and continue to be White males. You want to accuse us of being racists but object to the fact, while readily admitting that discrimination, inequality and racism are alive and well. I see you never answered my question about how Blacks could have discriminated against Whites in any meaningful way. The reason is because those without power can not effect the lives of others in any meaningful way. The truth of the matter is that those in power that can effect the lives of others in America are White males. I am sorry, if that is offensive or causes you to call me a racist, but it is the truth.

I am not sure as to whom you are calling failures. Success is often defined upon the value one places on different things. I feel that I have attained a great deal of success in my lifetime. I have no problem looking at the man in the mirror. My greatest success however would be if I could impact the world in some significant manner, as did President Lincoln, JFK, MLK for example. I do not know and doubt that I will attain their level of greatness. However, if I am able to better the lives of a few other than those that I have touched already and inspire within them a dream for a better future, then I think I will be satisfied. You speak of bitter old men. Believe me I am not bitter and have had the opportunity throughout my life to do things other men only dream of doing. However, in living that lifestyle I can truly say that I was narcissistic. The thing that puzzled me most is that, regardless of the situation I found myself in, others looked to me for leadership and guidance and respected me. The same holds true in my college environment. The class asked me to speak to the instructor about an impossible in class open book exam and to ask him if we could take it home, because of the respect he and they had for me. I did and we did-of course they helped in the conversation, which was not always the case, as with employment situations in which I was nominated to speak and others said they would be behind me but when I turned around no one was there. However, let me not digress. It seems that some seem to be bitter about the choices they made in life and now want to impart that bitterness to others. I speak of historical facts, social ideologies and judicial realities, which I support. I do not consider myself as old but slightly used but still in good condition, if you follow my logic.:) If my speaking of the aforementioned facts causes some bitterness, I do not apologize. Sometimes a position is indefensible. It is better to say that I stand corrected rather than to become angry and keep silent, imho.

If you think your friend was ridiculed, then perhaps you should inform them to think before placing their feet in the mouth with vile, reprehensible, unthinking, callous, illogical and mean spirited posts. I do admire your loyalty, even if it is to a fault. I feel blessed to have attained the age I have. So many of my friends, whom I will miss over the holidays and who, like myself, fell prey to the things perpetrated by those in power, did not live to see my age or the election of the first Black man to the position of President. It is with loving memory of them that I have taken on my mission but some years ago when I was in church I heard a pastor say that the mantle came from God. I pray that God will allow me to pick up that mantle and shield me from the bitterness of those who either do not like or are unable to face the truth.
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[weezer]

OMG I could hear the music and see fireworks and everything ---- and then I threw up. GMAFB

[William Anthony]

Sounds like someone might have chocked on their own toe jam. :)

[Redmama]

I have never told Mr. Goldman what he should do. I have said that hatred is a useless emotion. That is why I appreciate history and do not hate anyone. Wouldn't you agree that the past should be the light that guides our future? Wouldn't you agree that hatred makes you say vile, reprehensible, callous, unthinking, evil and mean spirited things?

Hate, until you feel it, doesn't just go away - I wish it did.

[William Anthony]

Hate, until you feel it, doesn't just go away - I wish it did.

Please, explain?

[martin II]

It has never been my contention that people in need should be denied services. I support that wholeheartedly. I do not support people who for generations have abused the system and deplete services that are meant for people in true need. The fact that some posters want to twist what I have stated as something more than what I intended, speaks to their animus. There is one point that needs to be cleared since martin has repeatedly insisted and posted as fact regarding the racial makeup of welfare recipients. I've never made a distinction as to the race of recipients and/or abusers because I don't think that is what is important. The following information is from 2000:

"Racial and Ethnic Characteristics of Welfare Recipients
The U.S. Census Bureau reported that in 2000, 15.2 percent of white non-Hispanics, 44 percent of African-Americans, and 48.5 percent of persons of Hispanic origin (persons of Hispanic origin can be of any race) lived in households receiving some form of means-tested assistance. Among those with incomes below the poverty line, 53.1 percent of white non-Hispanics, 80.8 percent of African-Americans, and 77.9 percent of Hispanics received benefits."

<a href="http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/901/Who-Receives-Benefits-AN-OVERVIEW-WELFARE-PROGRAM-PARTICIPATION.html">Who Receives Benefits? - An Overview Of Welfare Program Participation</a>

If i am not mistaken those figure you posted referrs to a % of the population represented by those races.However 80% of the people on welfare are not blacks.There are many assistance programs that verious people receive help and they are not limited to welfare checks.Food stamps to the employed, milk and cheese to special needs children, housing assistance to people under a certain income level etc.

If one counts the Number of people receiving welfare checks whites out number all other groups.

[William Anthony]

Hate, until you feel it, doesn't just go away - I wish it did.

I want to understand. Before I entered the service, I did not hate. For a while I did, until I met those two people. After that I remembered the Dream. I have no time for hate but I do have time to acknowledge the truth and the feelings of others. We have talked. I do not condone discrimination in any form from any race and I hate no one. I do become angry and some times it lasts for a long time, especially when someone says they do not respect me. However, I was able to forget and forgive and even publicly admit that there are things I like about bobaugust. Hatred clouds the dream and, yes, I used the word cloud purposefully. :)

[William Anthony]

you have it

Unable to open it.

[martin II]

A total view of welfare receipants.

who gets welfare? Despite prevailing stereotype, whites, not blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars

Despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars

SAY the word "welfare" and immediately the image of the lazy Black wellare queen who breeds for profit surfaces in the minds of those who have come to believe the hideous stereotype. It is a myth that persists despite government figures and authoritative studies showing that Whites overwhelmingly reap the lion's share of the dole.

The image of the Black "welfare cheat," public aid advocates say, is based on misconceptions about poor minorities. The notion, they say, comes from society's resentment of seemingly ablebodied people getting paid for doing nothing.

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"For some people, there is a need to believe that there are professional welfare recipients who are deliberately trying to get not only what they need to survive, but more," says Anne D. Hill, director of programs for the National Urban League. "People say to themselves: 'I work. How come this person who appears to be healthy isn't working?' We tend to equate our condition with others without fully knowing their circumstances."

Hill and other welfare supporters argue that numbers, and not erroneous stereotypes, tell the real story about public assistance clients: Some 61 percent of welfare recipients are White, while 33 percent are Black, according to 1990 Census Bureau statistics, the latest figures available.

The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes. These programs, listed as "direct benefit payments for individuals" by the Office of Management and Budget, make up $730 billion or 43 percent of the $1.47 trillion the government will spend this fiscal year.

Social Security is the nation's largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan. The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time.

Welfare critics rarely search the Social Security rolls for "welfare cheats," but train their sights on people getting Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), Medicaid and food stamps, the relief programs with the most Black clients. Yet government figures show that Whites not Blacks make up the bulk of clients on these public aid programs; a fact that dispels the notion that Blacks are scheming for a free lunch courtesy of the American taxpayer.

Among the poorest of the poor--single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients.

Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn't collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population. They say the imbalance proves their case that Blacks are too busy complaining and blaming racism for their plight to look for a job.

But racism is at the heart of the standard-of-living gap between Blacks and Whites, welfare advocates argue. Unlawful race-based hiring practices, they contend, keep Blacks from getting jobs that pay enough to lift them out of poverty. Until more blue-collar jobs open up to Black workers, Blacks will continue to battle poverty and the freeloader misconception.

"Public and congressional deliberations over... welfare reform in the last few years have been fueled by distortions and outright falsehoods about poverty," the National Urban League asserted in its 1988 report, Black Americans and Public Policy. "Welfare reform is not solely a Black issue, but one in need of immediate attention."

Turning welfare reform into a "Black issue" makes racial scapegoating easy and allows stereotypes, like the Reaganera "welfare queen," to go unchallenged, public aid supporters say. Rightwing reformers cast Whites as "deserving" clients who are legitimately unable to pay their own way through no fault of their own. Blacks are labeled "undeserving" recipients who are looking for the feds to subsidize their slothfulness.

Attaching a moral value to work is not a new convention; it is a philosophy deeply rooted in the religious beliefs and social welfare laws that Anglo-Saxon settlers brought to the New World. These values were imposed upon poor immigrants from other European countries who later perpetuated them after moving into mainstream society.

The Puritanical work ethic faced its greatest challenge following the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression of the 1930s. The nation was forced to re-think its social welfare conventions when it realized that economic forces--not misplaced values--could lead to financial disaster. President Franklin D. Roosevelts New Deal programs and the adoption of the Social Security Act of 1935 symbolized the country's commitment to protecting family and personal incomes. President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs of the 1960s ushered in some of the programs of today's welfare system.

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[tv]

If i am not mistaken those figure you posted referrs to a % of the population represented by those races.However 80% of the people on welfare are not blacks.There are many assistance programs that verious people receive help and they are not limited to welfare checks.Food stamps to the employed, milk and cheese to special needs children, housing assistance to people under a certain income level etc.

If one counts the Number of people receiving welfare checks whites out number all other groups.

What difference does it make to you what color welfare recipients are?

[martin II]

William and martin, the two of you are a couple of jackasses. Why don't you respond to what was posted by weezer and myself instead of twisting what we say and being sarcastic?

William, you're always saying you want open and honest communication to solve problems but then you ridicule anything honest that is posted that doesn't fit your view of the world.

martin, I doubt you get as many PMs about weezer's avatar as I get PMs from people saying you're an ignorant racist. If you only knew how foolish you look blaming every problem in the world on 'white guys'.

You two just keep on. I'm not going to defend my position to either one of you again. I've come to realize that if you didn't have whitey to blame for everything you might have to admit that people are responsible for their own lives and choices. It scares you to think you might have to give up your built-in excuse for failure. You're just two bitter old black men that wallow in the injustices of the past and love every minute of it.
What i am trying to figure out is if your last statement, discription of me and william is like other racist statements uttered by some that get pissed when blacks speak of the hisrtory or racism and current discriptiopn in America.

However what you think on this issue is usless and utter nonsense to me.
Obviously you are out of control because of your opinion of blacks that speak of discrimanation. That is your problem not mine and maby you will find a way to rid yourself of this problem.
imo:cool:
imio

[tv]

Or put a couple of posters in charge of the welfare system to make sure the ones down the street that LOOK healthy are kicked off.We cannot have welfare people living in our communities.Why don't you grow up? I have told you that I've been on assistance myself. I never said we can't have welfare recipients living in our communities. Please provide the post where I said that. On second thought, never mind. This is no longer a forum about OJ Simpson. It's the 'white guys are to blame for everyone's problems' forum and the subforum is 'feet'. I think I'll just let you guys have your pity party until the conversation gets back on topic.

[tv]

What i am trying to figure out is if your last statement, discription of me and william is like other racist statements uttered by some that get pissed when blacks speak of the hisrtory or racism and current discriptiopn in America.

However what you think on this issue is usless and utter nonsense to me.
Obviously you are out of control because of your opinion of blacks that speak of discrimanation. That is your problem not mine and maby you will find a way to rid yourself of this problem.
imo:cool:
imio
Think what you want, do what you want and remain a bitter old man if that's what you want. Your opinion of my statements mean less than nothing to me.

[tv]

I see that you just want us to dismiss another post that is insensitive, callous and unthinking, because it came from your friend. I am ridiculing the unreasonableness of the post and not the poster. I am sure that your friend can take the teasing about an avatar as she did more than tease about a sensitive avatar, causing one poster to leave the community. There was no need to twist. Kayleighjo asked for the post saying that welfare recipients caused the failure in the economy and I reposted it. I cannot help who it belonged to. You do have a point about open and honest discussion, because I could not believe that any rational person, who has a television, would blame welfare recipients. I took it as a slight and questioned why some, who have been so vocal about entitlements, had not spoken out about the entitlements of those in power.

The fact is that those in power control what happens in America. I am sure you understand that. I cannot help it that those in power have been and continue to be White males. You want to accuse us of being racists but object to the fact, while readily admitting that discrimination, inequality and racism are alive and well. I see you never answered my question about how Blacks could have discriminated against Whites in any meaningful way. The reason is because those without power can not effect the lives of others in any meaningful way. The truth of the matter is that those in power that can effect the lives of others in America are White males. I am sorry, if that is offensive or causes you to call me a racist, but it is the truth.

I am not sure as to whom you are calling failures. Success is often defined upon the value one places on different things. I feel that I have attained a great deal of success in my lifetime. I have no problem looking at the man in the mirror. My greatest success however would be if I could impact the world in some significant manner, as did President Lincoln, JFK, MLK for example. I do not know and doubt that I will attain their level of greatness. However, if I am able to better the lives of a few other than those that I have touched already and inspire within them a dream for a better future, then I think I will be satisfied. You speak of bitter old men. Believe me I am not bitter and have had the opportunity throughout my life to do things other men only dream of doing. However, in living that lifestyle I can truly say that I was narcissistic. The thing that puzzled me most is that, regardless of the situation I found myself in, others looked to me for leadership and guidance and respected me. The same holds true in my college environment. The class asked me to speak to the instructor about an impossible in class open book exam and to ask him if we could take it home, because of the respect he and they had for me. I did and we did-of course they helped in the conversation, which was not always the case, as with employment situations in which I was nominated to speak and others said they would be behind me but when I turned around no one was there. However, let me not digress. It seems that some seem to be bitter about the choices they made in life and now want to impart that bitterness to others. I speak of historical facts, social ideologies and judicial realities, which I support. I do not consider myself as old but slightly used but still in good condition, if you follow my logic.:) If my speaking of the aforementioned facts causes some bitterness, I do not apologize. Sometimes a position is indefensible. It is better to say that I stand corrected rather than to become angry and keep silent, imho.

If you think your friend was ridiculed, then perhaps you should inform them to think before placing their feet in the mouth with vile, reprehensible, unthinking, callous, illogical and mean spirited posts. I do admire your loyalty, even if it is to a fault. I feel blessed to have attained the age I have. So many of my friends, whom I will miss over the holidays and who, like myself, fell prey to the things perpetrated by those in power, did not live to see my age or the election of the first Black man to the position of President. It is with loving memory of them that I have taken on my mission but some years ago when I was in church I heard a pastor say that the mantle came from God. I pray that God will allow me to pick up that mantle and shield me from the bitterness of those who either do not like or are unable to face the truth.
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I see this response is directed at me but I merely skimmed it and from what I could see your pompous, self-righteous attitude is the same as always. I really wish a moderator would step in and get this forum back on topic.

[tv]

OMG I could hear the music and see fireworks and everything ---- and then I threw up. GMAFB
That's why I only skimmed his post. I have to go to work in a while and prefer not to go on an upset stomach. GMAFB is right.

[Redmama]

Please, explain?

I don't go there often - - I'm questioning why I did now - just a momemt thing I guess - I was sexually abused as a child. I try to believe it doesn't affect me most of the time - but it still gets to me in many areas of my life.

[William Anthony]

I see this response is directed at me but I merely skimmed it and from what I could see your pompous, self-righteous attitude is the same as always. I really wish a moderator would step in and get this forum back on topic.

My attitude is simply to speak the truth as I know it to counter the attacks and name calling that are directed to me after the information proves some posts wrong. You are perfectly able to engage in discussions that are off topic as long as you feel you are winning-just my personal opinion-and, when you are not, act, imho, act like a child that cannot have its way-will someone tattletale.

[William Anthony]

That's why I only skimmed his post. I have to go to work in a while and prefer not to go on an upset stomach. GMAFB is right.

Don't put those toes in your mouth and you should be alright. :)

[tv]

My attitude is simply to speak the truth as I know it to counter the attacks and name calling that are directed to me after the information proves some posts wrong. You are perfectly able to engage in discussions that are off topic as long as you feel you are winning-just my personal opinion-and, when you are not, act, imho, act like a child that cannot have its way-will someone tattletale.
You're off-topic.

[William Anthony]

I don't go there often - - I'm questioning why I did now - just a momemt thing I guess - I was sexually abused as a child. I try to believe it doesn't affect me most of the time - but it still gets to me in many areas of my life.

I did not mean for you to share this and I appreciate that you felt comfortable enough to share. I am truly sorry and I do understand. I pray that in those times that you feel most vulnerable that God will intervene. It took the courage of a lion to share this and I know you will be fine.

[William Anthony]

You're off-topic.

You have been for the longest and so have many others. When I mentioned the thread had been derailed, as did another poster, and you along with others continued. The discussion deals with whether or not others are able to rise above their ascribed status as did Simpson and are people able to understand that the poor, like Simpson was, are not the cause of the economic inequality and conditions in America.

[martin II]

Why don't you grow up? I have told you that I've been on assistance myself. I never said we can't have welfare recipients living in our communities. Please provide the post where I said that. On second thought, never mind. This is no longer a forum about OJ Simpson. It's the 'white guys are to blame for everyone's problems' forum and the subforum is 'feet'. I think I'll just let you guys have your pity party until the conversation gets back on topic.

No every single thing just the financial crisis, descrimination against women and many minorities and people that they abuse as result of the power they hold and how they use it against people.
Those that are having problem with their house mortages have been abused by these guys. unless you dissagree and want to blame it on welfare people.

[tv]

You have been for the longest and so have many others. When I mentioned the thread had been derailed, as did another poster, and you along with others continued. The discussion deals with whether or not others are able to rise above their ascribed status as did Simpson and are people able to understand that the poor, like Simpson was, are not the cause of the economic inequality and conditions in America.
You're off-topic. This is the Will Simpson be in court as plaintiff thread.

[martin II]

Think what you want, do what you want and remain a bitter old man if that's what you want. Your opinion of my statements mean less than nothing to me.

Over a period of time i have developed a idea as to the kind of woman you are but don't think it beneficial to post it here.imo

[tv]

No every single thing just the financial crisis, descrimination against women and many minorities and people that they abuse as result of the power they hold and how they use it against people.
Those that are having problem with their house mortages have been abused by these guys. unless you dissagree and want to blame it on welfare people.
You're off-topic.

[William Anthony]

You're off-topic.

Why did you not tell your friend that? I started the thread and agree that we can lend it to other discussions of interest so long as they stem from a discussion of Simpson as this one did.;):cool:

[tv]

Over a period of time i have developed a idea as to the kind of woman you are but don't think it beneficial to post it here.imo

I'm trying to get this forum back on-topic. This is the Will Simpson be in court as plaintiff thread.

[tv]

Why did you not tell your friend that? I started the thread and agree that we can lend it to other discussions of interest so long as they stem from a discussion of Simpson as this one did.;):cool:
We were all guilty of being off-topic. I'm trying to get it back despite your efforts to continue your rants. Do you have a comment about Simpson being in court as plaintiff?

[William Anthony]

I'm trying to get this forum back on-topic. This is the Will Simpson be in court as plaintiff thread.

I certainly appreciate your new found interest and will assist. Will Simpson be in court as a plaintiff in a type of class action law suit brought about as a result of a system designed to promote inequality and bases on the history, social theories and judicial opinions what do you think his chances of winning such a suit will be or will some see this as him playing a victim wanting entitlements, and ignore the recent entitlements recently distributed to the powerful?

[martin II]

Unable to open it.

try now

[William Anthony]

We were all guilty of being off-topic. I'm trying to get it back despite your efforts to continue your rants. Do you have a comment about Simpson being in court as plaintiff?

Read the post above.

[tv]

I certainly appreciate your new found interest and will assist. Will Simpson be in court as a plaintiff in a type of class action law suit brought about as a result of a system designed to promote inequality and bases on the history, social theories and judicial opinions what do you think his chances of winning such a suit will be or will some see this as him playing a victim wanting entitlements, and ignore the recent entitlements recently distributed to the powerful?No comment. This is just a continuation of your earlier version of the blame game. Not interested. :seeya:

[martin II]

We were all guilty of being off-topic. I'm trying to get it back despite your efforts to continue your rants. Do you have a comment about Simpson being in court as plaintiff?

We can discuss post about male abuse of women, and read many personal post about this issue, when the subject turns to abuse of minorities you call posters names and inform all that we are ot. Why do you take this position??
That is the question.

[William Anthony]

No comment. This is just a continuation of your earlier version of the blame game. Not interested. :seeya:

The one thing a man wasn't born to know is when a woman will change her mind. I tried to do as you asked and now you want to leave. Go figure.:) You said you were interested and now you are not. Go figure. :)

[tv]

We can discuss post about male abuse of women, and read many personal post about this issue, when the subject turns to abuse of minorities you call posters names and inform all that we are ot. Why do you take this position??
That is the question.This is the Will Simpson be in court as plaintiff thread.

[tv]

The one thing a man wasn't born to know is when a woman will change her mind. I tried to do as you asked and now you want to leave. Go figure.:) You said you were interested and now you are not. Go figure. :)
No one was fooled by what you posted. You are trying to continue the whites abusing blacks discussion which is off-topic.

[William Anthony]

This is the Will Simpson be in court as plaintiff thread.

I just expanded my original hypothesis that's all.:)

[martin II]

That's why I only skimmed his post. I have to go to work in a while and prefer not to go on an upset stomach. GMAFB is right.

Do you have a opinion, straight up, About weezers post that ofended W&C and possible Kate????
Yes or no is ok or you can explain your position.Dont run away please.

[William Anthony]

No one was fooled by what you posted. You are trying to continue the white abusing blacks discussion which is off-topic.

That is your opinion. Read the post above.

[William Anthony]

Do you have a opinion, straight up, About weezers post that ofended W&C and possible Kate????
Yes or no is ok or you can explain your position.Dont run away please.

I have one but I think the community is well aware of what I think as it relates to two people I consider friends.

[tv]

Do you have a opinion, straight up, About weezers post that ofended W&C and possible Kate????
Yes or no is ok or you can explain your position.Dont run away please.
I don't owe you or anyone else any explanations. Please don't take my leaving as 'running away'. I'm on my way to work and you are off-topic.

[William Anthony]

I don't owe you or anyone else any explanations. Please don't take my leaving as 'running away'. I'm on my way to work and you are off-topic.

I wish you well at work and hope that you don't have to work tomorrow night. This may be off topic but I mean it.

[tv]

I wish you well at work and hope that you don't have to work tomorrow night. This may be off topic but I mean it.
Thank you. I'll be home with my family tomorrow night. Have a lovely evening.

[William Anthony]

Thank you. I'll be home with my family tomorrow night. Have a lovely evening.

You too and Happy Thanksgiving.

[martin II]

No comment. This is just a continuation of your earlier version of the blame game. Not interested. :seeya:

To speak of slavery and current discrimination is 'THE BLAME GAME":read:

[martin II]

Thank you. I'll be home with my family tomorrow night. Have a lovely evening.

Please try not to burn the turkey black as we know how you feel about everything black. hahaha

[martin II]

i am leaving tonight to go to a thankigiving party in NC at the home of
a great A merican poet.M.A.
see you friday or saturday.

[William Anthony]

I just went to the ocean of thoughts and dreams.

[Redmama]

i am leaving tonight to go to a thankigiving party in NC at the home of
a great A merican poet.M.A.
see you friday or saturday.

I hope you are talking about Mia Angelo - and if you are, I'm jealous!

[Redmama]

i am leaving tonight to go to a thankigiving party in NC at the home of
a great A merican poet.M.A.
see you friday or saturday.

I hope you are talking about the great Mia Angelo - and if you are, I'm jealous!

[martin II]

I hope you are talking about Mia Angelo - and if you are, I'm jealous!

No need to be jealous. If i were in charge of the inviations i would send you one.It is annual party and we have lots of fun. Her big time friends are always there. I am only a relative.

[Redmama]

No need to be jealous. If i were in charge of the inviations i would send you one.It is annual party and we have lots of fun. Her big time friends are always there. I am only a relative.

Hey - don't use the word only - that is so cool...how much would you charge for an autograph? Her poems are so beautiful. I'm kidding about the autograph but if you get the chance, let her know I am truly inspired.

[William Anthony]

No need to be jealous. If i were in charge of the inviations i would send you one.It is annual party and we have lots of fun. Her big time friends are always there. I am only a relative.

Don't forget to tell her about her fellow poet-just kidding-Happy Thanksgiving.

[Redmama]

Don't forget to tell her about her fellow poet-just kidding-Happy Thanksgiving.

That was really funny.

[William Anthony]

That was really funny.

Thanks. :)

[weezer]

I hope you are talking about the great Mia Angelo - and if you are, I'm jealous!

I'm not familiar with Mia Angelo -- can you post a link to some of the poems?

[weezer]

I don't go there often - - I'm questioning why I did now - just a momemt thing I guess - I was sexually abused as a child. I try to believe it doesn't affect me most of the time - but it still gets to me in many areas of my life.

I'm sorry for your pain and I can't imagine that something that horrific wouldn't effect your life.

Sometimes people on the internet are inclined to share secrets and details about themselves that they would never think of telling strangers because we believe we are anonymous. I do caution you that not everyone who reads these threads are friends and predators are known to troll. I'm not trying to get in your business, it's just that you seem like an especially nice person and I would hate to see you hurt.

[Redmama]

I'm sorry for your pain and I can't imagine that something that horrific wouldn't effect your life.

Sometimes people on the internet are inclined to share secrets and details about themselves that they would never think of telling strangers because we believe we are anonymous. I do caution you that not everyone who reads these threads are friends and predators are known to troll. I'm not trying to get in your business, it's just that you seem like an especially nice person and I would hate to see you hurt.

Good point - not sure why I even went there - I guess it is to late to edit - hee he

[William Anthony]

Happy Thanksgiving to ALL.

[RainStorm]

I'm not familiar with Mia Angelo -- can you post a link to some of the poems?

fbg,

Try Maya Angelou. Happy Thanksgiving.

[weezer]

fbg,

Try Maya Angelou. Happy Thanksgiving.

thank you.

[Redmama]

I'm not familiar with Mia Angelo -- can you post a link to some of the poems?

Sorry I'm unable to send to you - I'm on my work computer and it they are all a blocked website - not sure why...when I'm able to get to my home computer I'll send you a link or two!

[martin II]

Sorry I'm unable to send to you - I'm on my work computer and it they are all a blocked website - not sure why...when I'm able to get to my home computer I'll send you a link or two!


redmama

In case you don't have this.

i will be back tomorrow.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=230576798

[weezer]

Sorry I'm unable to send to you - I'm on my work computer and it they are all a blocked website - not sure why...when I'm able to get to my home computer I'll send you a link or two!

oh, that's okay -- don't bother unless RainStorm was wrong and you were talking about someone other than Maya Angelou. I've read/heard ms angelou's work --

thank you for the offer though.

[William Anthony]

Well, What You Know,

November 19th has come and gone and nothing of any importance was heard, but what happened on November 4th will live on and on and no one can deny what occurred.

[William Anthony]

Ms. Maya Angelou.

[William Anthony]

A rather interesting thing sometimes happen when things are sold on the black market. Items often increase in value. Perhaps, if any of the items are sold and learned of Simpson can sue for their value and give that money to Mr. Goldman to pay the judgment.

[William Anthony]

It will be interesting to hear the sentence.

[William Anthony]

I wonder if the sentence will be part of the basis for appeal.

[William Anthony]

I am wondering if the sentence is harsh will the argument be made that the judge was biased.

[Redmama]

oh, that's okay -- don't bother unless RainStorm was wrong and you were talking about someone other than Maya Angelou. I've read/heard ms angelou's work --

thank you for the offer though.

Thanks! I was feeling really bad - it has been a busy weekend for me - lots of company in town for me!! She really has such beautiful words!!

[martin II]

I am wondering if the sentence is harsh will the argument be made that the judge was biased.

considering there are 12 charges, the minimum on each would be enough. more than that would show bias against the defendant which has already been shown in the trial. imo

[martin II]

I wonder if the sentence will be part of the basis for appeal.

The judge's sentancing record in previous simular cases should be considered
but oj had a target on his back and there is no way to know what those people will do to him. imo.

[William Anthony]

considering there are 12 charges, the minimum on each would be enough. more than that would show bias against the defendant which has already been shown in the trial. imo

You are correct and considering a prior post, IIRC, that said she was a stern judge it may be difficult to prove. I did read a link, stating she did not allow a witness to testify about the property belonging to the Goldman's but allowed prosecutor Owens to comment on it in his closing over an objection and did not allow questions about the credibility of one witness, who claimed he had a different occupation other than a ****. I will see if I can find that link. Perhaps, the combination of these things can show a bias.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/4/174539/306

[martin II]

Thanks! I was feeling really bad - it has been a busy weekend for me - lots of company in town for me!! She really has such beautiful words!!

Maya has simular life experiences in one area as some here.

[martin II]

You are correct and considering a prior post, IIRC, that said she was a stern judge it may be difficult to prove. I did read a link, stating she did not allow a witness to testify about the property belonging to the Goldman's but allowed prosecutor Owens to comment on it in his closing over an objection and did not allow questions about the credibility of one witness, who claimed he had a different occupation other than a ****. I will see if I can find that link. Perhaps, the combination of these things can show a bias.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/4/174539/306

This judge ruled against the defense on most objections and in some instances told them to sit down.

[martin II]

I think the court administrator assigned Glass to the case because she had a rep as a hard azz.the only other available judge had a rep as a more liberail judge.imo

[martin II]

You're off-topic.

TV
You have had you say about the finanaicl crisis and welfare people. When post are made to prove you wrong , you yell 'You are ot"

[martin II]

I see that you just want us to dismiss another post that is insensitive, callous and unthinking, because it came from your friend. I am ridiculing the unreasonableness of the post and not the poster. I am sure that your friend can take the teasing about an avatar as she did more than tease about a sensitive avatar, causing one poster to leave the community. There was no need to twist. Kayleighjo asked for the post saying that welfare recipients caused the failure in the economy and I reposted it. I cannot help who it belonged to. You do have a point about open and honest discussion, because I could not believe that any rational person, who has a television, would blame welfare recipients. I took it as a slight and questioned why some, who have been so vocal about entitlements, had not spoken out about the entitlements of those in power.

The fact is that those in power control what happens in America. I am sure you understand that. I cannot help it that those in power have been and continue to be White males. You want to accuse us of being racists but object to the fact, while readily admitting that discrimination, inequality and racism are alive and well. I see you never answered my question about how Blacks could have discriminated against Whites in any meaningful way. The reason is because those without power can not effect the lives of others in any meaningful way. The truth of the matter is that those in power that can effect the lives of others in America are White males. I am sorry, if that is offensive or causes you to call me a racist, but it is the truth.

I am not sure as to whom you are calling failures. Success is often defined upon the value one places on different things. I feel that I have attained a great deal of success in my lifetime. I have no problem looking at the man in the mirror. My greatest success however would be if I could impact the world in some significant manner, as did President Lincoln, JFK, MLK for example. I do not know and doubt that I will attain their level of greatness. However, if I am able to better the lives of a few other than those that I have touched already and inspire within them a dream for a better future, then I think I will be satisfied. You speak of bitter old men. Believe me I am not bitter and have had the opportunity throughout my life to do things other men only dream of doing. However, in living that lifestyle I can truly say that I was narcissistic. The thing that puzzled me most is that, regardless of the situation I found myself in, others looked to me for leadership and guidance and respected me. The same holds true in my college environment. The class asked me to speak to the instructor about an impossible in class open book exam and to ask him if we could take it home, because of the respect he and they had for me. I did and we did-of course they helped in the conversation, which was not always the case, as with employment situations in which I was nominated to speak and others said they would be behind me but when I turned around no one was there. However, let me not digress. It seems that some seem to be bitter about the choices they made in life and now want to impart that bitterness to others. I speak of historical facts, social ideologies and judicial realities, which I support. I do not consider myself as old but slightly used but still in good condition, if you follow my logic.:) If my speaking of the aforementioned facts causes some bitterness, I do not apologize. Sometimes a position is indefensible. It is better to say that I stand corrected rather than to become angry and keep silent, imho.

If you think your friend was ridiculed, then perhaps you should inform them to think before placing their feet in the mouth with vile, reprehensible, unthinking, callous, illogical and mean spirited posts. I do admire your loyalty, even if it is to a fault. I feel blessed to have attained the age I have. So many of my friends, whom I will miss over the holidays and who, like myself, fell prey to the things perpetrated by those in power, did not live to see my age or the election of the first Black man to the position of President. It is with loving memory of them that I have taken on my mission but some years ago when I was in church I heard a pastor say that the mantle came from God. I pray that God will allow me to pick up that mantle and shield me from the bitterness of those who either do not like or are unable to face the truth.
]

You have said what needed to be said
Thanks.:beer:

[tv]

TV
You have had you say about the finanaicl crisis and welfare people. When post are made to prove you wrong , you yell 'You are ot"You're dragging up a comment I made four days ago which tells me you want to argue. I don't have the power to make you stay on-topic so if you have more to say on the subject I can't stop you. By the way, you're off-topic.

[martin II]

You're dragging up a comment I made four days ago which tells me you want to argue. I don't have the power to make you stay on-topic so if you have more to say on the subject I can't stop you. By the way, you're off-topic.

tv
It seems to me that when you called me some kind of old man, angry , i believe is the word you used, it was you that was looking to argue.imo

[William Anthony]

You're dragging up a comment I made four days ago which tells me you want to argue. I don't have the power to make you stay on-topic so if you have more to say on the subject I can't stop you. By the way, you're off-topic.

I believe my expansion of the hypothetical starting this thread, allowed for martin to make the comment. Thanks.

[William Anthony]

tv
It seems to me that when you called me some kind of old man, angry , i believe is the word you used, it was you that was looking to argue.imo

I think her comments were a little salty but she wanted to call us bitter. :)

[William Anthony]

You mean you haven't pmed him yet what to say?:eek: You're slipping.

I can tell by the content of your posts or lack of any substantive posts on any meaningful issues involved in our discussions that certain posters may be pming you what to say or you belong to the same tea club or travel in the same ring. ;):cool:

[tv]

tv
It seems to me that when you called me some kind of old man, angry , i believe is the word you used, it was you that was looking to argue.imoThe word I used was bitter. Not an argument but a statement of how I see you just like you've stated your opinion of me. Keep talking about the financial crisis. It makes no difference to me anymore.

[tv]

I believe my expansion of the hypothetical starting this thread, allowed for martin to make the comment. Thanks.Since you seem to think as the thread starter that it's up to you what's discussed then discuss the financial collapse and whatever else you wish. :shrug:

[tv]

I think her comments were a little salty but she wanted to call us bitter. :)
I didn't just want to call you bitter. I did call you bitter and my opinion hasn't changed.

[William Anthony]

I didn't just want to call you bitter. I did call you bitter and my opinion hasn't changed.

I am sure your opinion has not changed and you are entitled to that opinion, regardless of whether it has any basis in fact but, without any factual basis, it just an uniformed opinion, imho.

[tv]

I am sure your opinion has not changed and you are entitled to that opinion, regardless of whether it has any basis in fact but, without any factual basis, it just an uniformed opinion, imho.
My opinion is the same whether I'm wearing a uniform or not. :)

[William Anthony]

My opinion is the same whether I'm wearing a uniform or not. :)

Quite clever and I stand corrected. I thought that when you put on your nurse uniform, you might have a more compassionate and unbiased view of human beings. Thanks for informing me otherwise. :) Did you enjoy your turkey day?

[tv]

Quite clever and I stand corrected. I thought that when you put on your nurse uniform, you might have a more compassionate and unbiased view of human beings. Thanks for informing me otherwise. :) Did you enjoy your turkey day?I enjoyed it very much and ate too much of course. How about you? :)

[William Anthony]

I enjoyed it very much and ate too much of course. How about you? :)

My big man pants seemed to have gotten smaller. :)

[tv]

My big man pants seemed to have gotten smaller. :)
At least you put them on. :) Sounds like your lovely wife is a good cook -- or are you the cook? I didn't mean to stereotype. :)

[William Anthony]

At least you put them on. :) Sounds like your lovely wife is a good cook -- or are you the cook? I didn't mean to stereotype. :)

She is a very good cook, when she decides to cook. Not having the benefit of that on a daily basis, I tend to overeat when it is available. :) Did your wonderful and must-be-tolerant husband do the cooking, smile?

[Kayleighjo]

Please try not to burn the turkey black as we know how you feel about everything black. hahaha

And I'm sure you stayed away from the white meat since we know how you feel about everything white.

[weezer]

My opinion is the same whether I'm wearing a uniform or not. :)

LOL -- I almost choked on my coffee. . . .:tongue:

[William Anthony]

In order to avoid chocking, one should drink take their feet out of their mouth and stop star gazing when drinking from a cup. :biggrin:

[weezer]

LOL -- I don't know WTH the above post was suppose to mean and/or be but it made me laugh AGAIN