Will Simpson be in court as a plaintiff

[tv]

"The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
To mitigate the justice of thy plea;
Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.

-- William Shakespeare"

At least we got Shakespeare this time instead of your own invention.

[tv]

You may be surprised that the whole world you speak of was only a small part of the whole WORLD. That is if you include the WHOLE WORLD.

If you can name a section of the population that you haven't accused of being biased against him I'd like to see it.

[tv]

So you were just ah kinda slipping in the comments about ojs facial expressions and how he looked in the civil trial under Petrols questIoning.right??
hahahaI don't think I'd call it 'slipping in'. I think I posted it up front for everyone to see. He was terrible on the stand and everyone connected with the trial acknowledges it even his own attorneys. Everyone but you.

[weezer]

If you can name a section of the population that you haven't accused of being biased against him I'd like to see it.

boy isn't this the truth?!!! some have gone so far as to try to blame orenthal's son for the murders just so they wouldn't have to face the facts and truths of what orenthal is/was/did.

[tv]

boy isn't this the truth?!!! some have gone so far as to try to blame orenthal's son for the murders just so they wouldn't have to face the facts and truths of what orenthal is/was/did.

The accusations against Jason were the worst and I may have missed it but I don't recall OJ Simpson protesting it.

On tv the other day I saw a tribe of people in South America that have never met other human beings and are only seen from the air. They might be one group of people that haven't been accused of bias against OJ Simpson. Not sure about that though.

[martin II]

If you can name a section of the population that you haven't accused of being biased against him I'd like to see it.

A cnn poll taken before the trial reported that 85 % of white people said oj was guilty before the criminal trial even started. You go figure what that means.

[martin II]

I don't think I'd call it 'slipping in'. I think I posted it up front for everyone to see. He was terrible on the stand and everyone connected with the trial acknowledges it even his own attorneys. Everyone but you.

you did not see the civil trial.

[tv]

A cnn poll taken before the trial reported that 85 % of white people said oj was guilty before the criminal trial even started. You go figure what that means.

Please don't start the black/white BS. You seem to think that thinking he's guilty makes white people biased. The funny thing is just as many white people think Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony are guilty. The bias is from the people who thought he was innocent. Now you go figure what that means.

[tv]

you did not see the civil trial.Neither did you but it doesn't stop you from criticizing the outcome. How do you know what happened if you weren't there?

[martin II]

If you can name a section of the population that you haven't accused of being biased against him I'd like to see it.

Every one in the world except the 85% of Americans that said he was guilty BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED.

[martin II]

Neither did you but it doesn't stop you from criticizing the outcome. How do you know what happened if you weren't there?

I never made comments about ojs expressions in the civil trial, you did.

[tv]

Every one in the world except the 85% of Americans that said he was guilty BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED.

People say that stuff all the time. It's not unique to the OJ Simpson murder case. The bias is all in your head.

[tv]

I never made comments about ojs expressions in the civil trial, you did.
That's right because I take the time to do research and educate myself on the true facts of what happened.

[martin II]

Please don't start the black/white BS. You seem to think that thinking he's guilty makes white people biased. The funny thing is just as many white people think Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony are guilty. The bias is from the people who thought he was innocent. Now you go figure what that means.

Changing the subject i see.

[tv]

Changing the subject i see.You mentioned white bias. I'm just not letting you get away with it AGAIN.

[tv]

Hey tv. Did you know that there are many people, like yourself, who made up the jury in Nevada? The kind who see the truth and believe in justice. Did you know that Simpson's been found guilty and is going to stay in jail? Oh yeah.So I've heard, JB! Have you fed the dancing Ito's today?

[tv]

High five to the dancing Ito's. They'll know the truth when they see it. :beer:

[martin II]

You mentioned white bias. I'm just not letting you get away with it AGAIN.

The cnn poll is what it is.I did not do the poll, cnn did.It is what it is.

[martin II]

That's right because I take the time to do research and educate myself on the true facts of what happened.

You may be one of some that believe 100% oj killed ron and nicole and you were not at bundy on 6/12.HA HA HA

[martin II]

So I've heard, JB! Have you fed the dancing Ito's today?

Birds of a feather flock togeather.They say.
hahahaha:cool:

[Redmama]

Riccio purchased the recorder and the tapes the day before his first taping at the Plams Hotel pool.He taped that day and the next at the Palace Station.

He produced receits for both so NO. Caldwell testified both appeared new.

He did not grab any old tape.

ok,

redmama

[Redmama]

Please don't start the black/white BS. You seem to think that thinking he's guilty makes white people biased. The funny thing is just as many white people think Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony are guilty. The bias is from the people who thought he was innocent. Now you go figure what that means.

I think they're all guilty.

[martin II]

ok,

redmama

Thank you:cool:

[Redmama]

Thank you:cool:

Not sure for what - my ok didn't mean I agreed with you.

[Redmama]

Ok - think about this scenario...if it would have been an old recorder and an old tape and there were files missing...then the argument would have been the same - stuff was missing or some of the stuff on the tape was already there and...

Not sure if that makes sense, my point being no matter what the evidence, the argument would be the same.

[Redmama]

Ok TOTALLY off topic, but a few times posting I've almost accidently given a hint to where I live...then today I look up and it says St. Louis. I look at others and most did not have a location - or a funny one if one was listed. I guess when I signed up I gave up the info - just thought a few could use a laugh - sometimes I kill myself with the stuff I miss that if it was a snake it would have bit me!!

[martin II]

Not sure for what - my ok didn't mean I agreed with you.

not trying to get you to agree as i don't need that. just thanking you for your last post.:cool:

[martin II]

Ok - think about this scenario...if it would have been an old recorder and an old tape and there were files missing...then the argument would have been the same - stuff was missing or some of the stuff on the tape was already there and...

Not sure if that makes sense, my point being no matter what the evidence, the argument would be the same.

For the last time.
new recorder new tape purchased the day Riccio arrived in vegas.New tape new recorder on morning of pool taping.Riccio testimony.

[weezer]

Ok - think about this scenario...if it would have been an old recorder and an old tape and there were files missing...then the argument would have been the same - stuff was missing or some of the stuff on the tape was already there and...

Not sure if that makes sense, my point being no matter what the evidence, the argument would be the same.

exactly redmama. orenthal's life is based on blaming his bad/criminal behavior of EVERYONE else. . . .:rolleyes:

[martin II]

tv
i have tired of playing with you today
see you tomorrow. go make a pianapple upsdown cake and ask others if it taste good.:cool:

[Redmama]

exactly redmama. orenthal's life is based on blaming his bad/criminal behavior of EVERYONE else. . . .:rolleyes:

How about an old recorder, new tape or a new recorder, old tape?:D

[martin II]

exactly redmama. orenthal's life is based on blaming his bad/criminal behavior of EVERYONE else. . . .:rolleyes:

And you?

[weezer]

hey, I'd like to see the recipe for that 'pianapple upsdown cake' -- I don't care what it tastes like -- it just sounds like fun.

[martin II]

How about an old recorder, new tape or a new recorder, old tape?:D

It seems you are searching for a big excuse to refute the facts that Riccios tape and recorder was new. hahahah

[Redmama]

It seems you are searching for a big excuse to refute the facts that Riccios tape and recorder was new. hahahah

I'm not refuting anything -I was just being funny.

[martin II]

hey, i'd like to see the recipe for that 'pianapple upsdown cake' -- i don't care what it tastes like -- it just sounds like fun.

haha you like sweets now?

[weezer]

It seems you are searching for a big excuse to refute the facts that Riccios tape and recorder was new. hahahah

martin, how about YOU post something to back up your belief that something wrong was done to the recorder. My guess is that riccio played the recorder for all of the conversations and kept the ones that had orenthal promising to sign the books, etc.

your continuing defense of orenthal's bad/criminal behavior is pathetic. imo

[weezer]

haha you like sweets now?

oh, is that what a 'pianapple upsdown cake' is? :D

[William Anthony]

I'm talking about what he would do when responding to questioning by the plaintiff's attorneys. Is OJ Simpson so crazy and out of touch with reality that he makes noises and facial expressions out of context? Maybe he should have gone for the insanity defense in the Vegas trial.

Perhaps, he had indigestion. Your first statement was that he would use the expressions when he felt trapped. Perhaps, he just did not like Petrocelli. Perhaps, Petrocelli's breath did not smell good. Perhaps, you are only listening to hearsay and have no direct evidence of what happened when he testified. :)

[William Anthony]

At least we got Shakespeare this time instead of your own invention.

I sense that you are becoming annoyed. I do apologize if my inventions are not as good as yours-like what "it" was that was in the drawer and what "it" was used for or could have been used for. :)

[William Anthony]

We have had some discussion about interpretation, the spirit of the law and the letter of the law and inexact language. Here is a case from Texas that I found interesting as to how the same set of facts could be interpreted differently. For any of those interested, I would suggest reading the opinion and the dissent. The dissenting opinion can be accessed by clicking on dissent at the top of the page. I think the dissent deals with the letter of the law and the opinion deals with the spirit of the law. I have no information on the statistical population of the county at the time the case was brought, but I suspect that Whites were a minority in that county.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0345_0461_ZO.html

A quick search of Fort Bend County revealed this.

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/FF/hcf7.html

[Kayleighjo]

A cnn poll taken before the trial reported that 85 % of white people said oj was guilty before the criminal trial even started. You go figure what that means.

Couldn't wait for this to be brought up AGAIN -

My best guess is that it means that 85% of whites that were polled said they thought he was guilty. The point is what? Like another person posted, the results of a poll like that aren't some big revelation considering that about the same percentage of whites thought Scott Peterson was guilty before his trial and Robert Blake and Casey Anthony ... and you know what? those people are all -gasp!- WHITE!

The problem with you martin (one of the many) is that you see it how you want to see it - and how you want to see it is that whitey is racist while blacks are all unbiased. Bottom line- people are people no matter the color and capable of all sorts of feelings and actions- including forming opinions every single day that might be accurate or they might not be and that's just how ALL OF US people work.

I see the crap every single day having kids that are half white/half black ... I said it before how dejected my son would be cause he would come home and tell me he didn't have any friends because the white kids thought he was too black and the black kids thought he was too white. Equal discrimination on both sides of the fence.

Hmmmm-see how that works?

[Kayleighjo]

Perhaps, he had indigestion. Your first statement was that he would use the expressions when he felt trapped. Perhaps, he just did not like Petrocelli. Perhaps, Petrocelli's breath did not smell good. Perhaps, you are only listening to hearsay and have no direct evidence of what happened when he testified. :)

Yep, I guess every single person in the courtroom that reported the same about his noises and expressions during his embarrassing testimony all reported wrong - I'm sure you're right that it was just indigestion.

Better yet- since that trial was just a production I bet every single person was biased! WOW, poor Juice ... the whole world's been out to get him all his life. Yikes!

[William Anthony]

Yep, I guess every single person in the courtroom that reported the same about his noises and expressions during his embarrassing testimony all reported wrong - I'm sure you're right that it was just indigestion.

Better yet- since that trial was just a production I bet every single person was biased! WOW, poor Juice ... the whole world's been out to get him all his life. Yikes!

"Bottom line- people are people no matter the color and capable of all sorts of feelings and actions- including forming opinions every single day that might be accurate or they might not be and that's just how ALL OF US people work." I couldn't have said it better. Thanks.

[William Anthony]

Couldn't wait for this to be brought up AGAIN -

My best guess is that it means that 85% of whites that were polled said they thought he was guilty. The point is what? Like another person posted, the results of a poll like that aren't some big revelation considering that about the same percentage of whites thought Scott Peterson was guilty before his trial and Robert Blake and Casey Anthony ... and you know what? those people are all -gasp!- WHITE!

The problem with you martin (one of the many) is that you see it how you want to see it - and how you want to see it is that whitey is racist while blacks are all unbiased. Bottom line- people are people no matter the color and capable of all sorts of feelings and actions- including forming opinions every single day that might be accurate or they might not be and that's just how ALL OF US people work.

I see the crap every single day having kids that are half white/half black ... I said it before how dejected my son would be cause he would come home and tell me he didn't have any friends because the white kids thought he was too black and the black kids thought he was too white. Equal discrimination on both sides of the fence.

Hmmmm-see how that works?

I agree and feel dismayed that the concept of the presumption of innocence seems to have outlived its usefulness.

[Kayleighjo]

"Bottom line- people are people no matter the color and capable of all sorts of feelings and actions- including forming opinions every single day that might be accurate or they might not be and that's just how ALL OF US people work."

I appreciate the effort but it doesn't work. When you've got a small courtroom setting and the majority of people in it who are seeing all the action live report the exact thing about the action they're seeing - it's generally gonna be accurate - never mind the fact that it's completely different from forming an opinion on something that you're hearing via media airwaves versus being up close and personal with the action.

[William Anthony]

I appreciate the effort but it doesn't work. When you've got a small courtroom setting and the majority of people in it who are seeing all the action live report the exact thing about the action they're seeing - it's generally gonna be accurate - never mind the fact that it's completely different from forming an opinion on something that you're hearing via media airwaves versus being up close and personal with the action.


That is exactly my point. We form opinions, without the benefit of any personal knowledge, based on the opinions of others, regardless of consideration as to accuracy and then regurgitate them as if they were the gospel. For instance, those in the court room may have said it seemed to me and it is then reported as someone said.

[William Anthony]

I appreciate the effort but it doesn't work. When you've got a small courtroom setting and the majority of people in it who are seeing all the action live report the exact thing about the action they're seeing - it's generally gonna be accurate - never mind the fact that it's completely different from forming an opinion on something that you're hearing via media airwaves versus being up close and personal with the action.

"Bottom line- people are people no matter the color and capable of all sorts of feelings and actions- including forming opinions every single day that might be accurate or they might not be and that's just how ALL OF US people work."

[tv]

You may be one of some that believe 100% oj killed ron and nicole and you were not at bundy on 6/12.HA HA

I'm glad I wasn't. I've kind of liked breathing these last 13 years.

[tv]

Couldn't wait for this to be brought up AGAIN -

My best guess is that it means that 85% of whites that were polled said they thought he was guilty. The point is what? Like another person posted, the results of a poll like that aren't some big revelation considering that about the same percentage of whites thought Scott Peterson was guilty before his trial and Robert Blake and Casey Anthony ... and you know what? those people are all -gasp!- WHITE!

The problem with you martin (one of the many) is that you see it how you want to see it - and how you want to see it is that whitey is racist while blacks are all unbiased. Bottom line- people are people no matter the color and capable of all sorts of feelings and actions- including forming opinions every single day that might be accurate or they might not be and that's just how ALL OF US people work.

I see the crap every single day having kids that are half white/half black ... I said it before how dejected my son would be cause he would come home and tell me he didn't have any friends because the white kids thought he was too black and the black kids thought he was too white. Equal discrimination on both sides of the fence.

Hmmmm-see how that works?

I bet the a large percentage of blacks think Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony are guilty just like whites. The big divide comes when the OJ Simpson trial is discussed. I agree, Kayleigh, that there are racists and biases on both sides.

[tv]

Perhaps, he had indigestion. Your first statement was that he would use the expressions when he felt trapped. Perhaps, he just did not like Petrocelli. Perhaps, Petrocelli's breath did not smell good. Perhaps, you are only listening to hearsay and have no direct evidence of what happened when he testified. :)Think what you want and I'll think what I want. See how easy that is?

[William Anthony]

I'm glad I wasn't. I've kind of liked breathing these last 13 years.

I am glad you have plenty of wind. :)

[tv]

That is exactly my point. We form opinions, without the benefit of any personal knowledge, based on the opinions of others, regardless of consideration as to accuracy and then regurgitate them as if they were the gospel. For instance, those in the court room may have said it seemed to me and it is then reported as someone said.If all of the knowledge you think you have came from your own eyewitness experiences than more power to you. You do enough regurgitating for 10 people so you must really get around.

[William Anthony]

Think what you want and I'll think what I want. See how easy that is?

That's called opinions. I am of the opinion that I cannot state for fact anything that I do not have personal knowledge of. I can however factually say what verdicts and legal decisions are. See how that works?:)

[tv]

I sense that you are becoming annoyed. I do apologize if my inventions are not as good as yours-like what "it" was that was in the drawer and what "it" was used for or could have been used for. :)

At least I didn't attempt to compose a poem about "it". I do have some feelings for my fellow posters.

[tv]

I am glad you have plenty of wind. :)

Spoken like a man with plenty of hot air.

[tv]

That's called opinions. I am of the opinion that I cannot state for fact anything that I do not have personal knowledge of. I can however factually say what verdicts and legal decisions are. See how that works?:)

I'll remind myself to remind you when you're veering off of established fact and into the land of speculation and hearsay. Just to help out.

[William Anthony]

If all of the knowledge you think you have came from your own eyewitness experiences than more power to you. You do enough regurgitating for 10 people so you must really get around.

I tend to regurgitate facts, legal opinions, historical facts and verdicts, and offer alternative ways to look at the law. Why it took numerous posts on another thread to attempt to no avail to get another poster to admit he was only giving opinion and not facts. IIRC, your first post on Simpson's demeanor was stated as a fact and you subsequently admitted you had no first hand knowledge. I have no disagreement with your opinion even if I suspect it might not be accurate. See how that works? :)

[tv]

tv
i have tired of playing with you today
see you tomorrow. go make a pianapple upsdown cake and ask others if it taste good.:cool:

When you posted this I'd been at work for an hour and a half. :punch:

[William Anthony]

I'll remind myself to remind you when you're veering off of established fact and into the land of speculation and hearsay. Just to help out.

I don't think it will take to much effort on your part to criticize my posts. :)

[William Anthony]

At least I didn't attempt to compose a poem about "it". I do have some feelings for my fellow posters.

Please, do not speak of consideration? Perhaps, you just do not appreciate poetry that differs with your view. I could think of one four letter word that begins with s and rhymes with it, if you need help. :)

[William Anthony]

Spoken like a man with plenty of hot air.

I do have a lot of hot air but not as much as the wind in a hurricane, which until lately all were named after women. Wonder why-just stating facts?:)

[tv]

I tend to regurgitate facts, legal opinions, historical facts and verdicts, and offer alternative ways to look at the law. Why it took numerous posts on another thread to attempt to no avail to get another poster to admit he was only giving opinion and not facts. IIRC, your first post on Simpson's demeanor was stated as a fact and you subsequently admitted you had no first hand knowledge. I have no disagreement with your opinion even if I suspect it might not be accurate. See how that works? :)

I'm surprised you thought I attended the civil trial. I thought you knew I was basing my description of Simpson's demeanor on various accounts that I've read from people that were in attendance. Believe what you want. I don't care if you have a disagreement with my opinion or what I state as fact or if you have 'suspicions.' See how easily I pay no attention to you?

[tv]

I do have a lot of hot air but not as much as the wind in a hurricane, which until lately all were named after women. Wonder why-just stating facts?:)

No clue.

[William Anthony]

I'm surprised you thought I attended the civil trial. I thought you knew I was basing my description of Simpson's demeanor on various accounts that I've read from people that were in attendance. Believe what you want. I don't care if you have a disagreement with my opinion or what I state as fact or if you have 'suspicions.' See how easily I pay no attention to you?

Due to the amount of attention you pay to Simpson, never mind me, I considered the remote possibility that you may have attended the socio-political production in an effort to ensure that it was "Basically, a civil murder trial." I do apologize if you were not able to attend something that has garnered so much of your attention. :)

[tv]

Please, do not speak of consideration? Perhaps, you just do not appreciate poetry that differs with your view. I could think of one four letter word that begins with s and rhymes with it, if you need help. :)

You're simply annoyed because it looks like once again OJ Simpson has screwed up. It must be very hard to defend him sometimes -- he certainly isn't very considerate of his apologists.

So now you're thinking of putting on a skit? ;)

[weezer]

I'll remind myself to remind you when you're veering off of established fact and into the land of speculation and hearsay. Just to help out.

do you have that much time to devout to that? :biggrin:

[William Anthony]

No clue.

The three fastest way of spreading news used to be television, telephone and tell-a-woman. :) I am not of Scottish decent to my knowledge and I have never entertained the idea of dressing in a skirt or dress. I have had fantasies about those items of apparel that were worn by members of the opposite sex but that is not the subject of this thread, smile.

[William Anthony]

You're simply annoyed because it looks like once again OJ Simpson has screwed up. It must be very hard to defend him sometimes -- he certainly isn't very considerate of his apologists.

So now you're thinking of putting on a skit? ;)

I am not defending Simpson. Least you forget, I have accepted all the verdicts. It seems to be a strong wind in opposition to the criminal verdict. :)

[tv]

do you have that much time to devout to that? :biggrin:

Not really. I think it could turn into a full-time job. It might be more hot air than I can handle. :D

[tv]

I am not defending Simpson. Least you forget, I have accepted all the verdicts. It seems to be a strong wind in opposition to the criminal verdict. :)

I accept the criminal verdict but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I'm losing count of how many times I've told you this.

[William Anthony]

I am certain if some have the excessive time, imho, to devote to speculating about the word it, they will find the time to criticize my posts. :)

[tv]

The three fastest way of spreading news used to be television, telephone and tell-a-woman. :)

For someone who continually expresses his desire for equality you seem to be in a female-bashing mood today. Does your political correctness only extend to black men?

[William Anthony]

I accept the criminal verdict but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I'm losing count of how many times I've told you this.

Very good. So you can just criticize it, even though you claim to have accepted it and spend so much time and expenditure of wind in your effort to negate your acceptance, correct? :)

[tv]

I am certain if some have the excessive time, imho, to devote to speculating about the word it, they will find the time to criticize my posts. :)

Why, William, I'm beginning to realize that the discussion between weezer and myself about 'it' touched a sore spot. How interesting.

[tv]

Very good. So you can just criticize it, even though you claim to have accepted it and spend so much time and expenditure of wind in your effort to negate your acceptance, correct? :)

You say you accept the civil trial and the Vegas trial yet you call one a political production and the other a violation of Simpson's constitutional rights. Seems like you're doing plenty of negating of your own.

If you're trying to say I shouldn't post in this forum please just say so.

[William Anthony]

For someone who continually expresses his desire for equality you seem to be in a female-bashing mood today. Does your political correctness only extend to black men?

They were just jokes but they do highlight a commonly held belief about women. I guess it was just someone's opinion, which I should not have repeated, even if I could have agreed with it, since I have no personal knowledge. See how that works?:)

[tv]

They were just jokes but they do highlight a commonly held belief about women. I guess it was just someone's opinion, which I should not have repeated, even if I could have agreed with it, since I have no personal knowledge. See how that works?:)You have no personal knowledge of women? How's that working out for you?

[William Anthony]

You say you accept the civil trial and the Vegas trial yet you call one a political production and the other a violation of Simpson's constitutional rights. Seems like you're doing plenty of negating of your own.

If you're trying to say I shouldn't post in this forum please just say so.

I am in no way trying to limit your posts. I enjoy them, because they offer a different perspective. I am not negating anything, since the law is my passion. I am interested in all aspects of what transpired during the trial and only look to see that the law is applied equally and fairly under due process.

[William Anthony]

You have no personal knowledge of women? How's that working out for you?

Oh, if only that were true. I might be rich by now.:) I was speaking of what caused some to make those types of comments and why they named huriicanes after women.

[tv]

I am in no way trying to limit your posts. I enjoy them, because they offer a different perspective. I am not negating anything, since the law is my passion. I am interested in all aspects of what transpired during the trial and only look to see that the law is applied equally and fairly under due process.

I wonder why it's okay for you to criticize the civil trial and called it a socio-political production and on and on but it's not okay for me to criticize the criminal trial. Do you have a double standard about this?

[tv]

Oh, if only that were true. I might be rich by now.:) I was speaking of what caused some to make those types of comments and why they named huriicanes after women.

Obviously, naming hurricanes after women only is no longer in vogue because either women objected to being stereotyped or men complained about being left out. Feel better?

[Kayleighjo]

Very good. So you can just criticize it, even though you claim to have accepted it and spend so much time and expenditure of wind in your effort to negate your acceptance, correct? :)

You're such a hypocrite-you criticize everything about the civil trial even though you claim to accept it and your passion for law doesn't change that.

[Kayleighjo]

obviously, naming hurricanes after women only is no longer in vogue because either women objected to being stereotyped or men complained about being left out. Feel better?

lol!

[tv]

You're such a hypocrite-you criticize everything about the civil trial even though you claim to accept it and your passion for law doesn't change that.

Thanks, kayleighjo. You're exactly right. :)

[Kayleighjo]

I wonder why it's okay for you to criticize the civil trial and called it a socio-political production and on and on but it's not okay for me to criticize the criminal trial. Do you have a double standard about this?

Because he's a blatant hypocrite in so many obvious ways. He'll try to hide behind his "passion" for the law though.

[Kayleighjo]

Thanks, kayleighjo. You're exactly right. :)

My pleasure tv - I'm tired of watching you take a beating from a guy who so obviously harbors bitterness and racist issues of his own.

[weezer]

I wonder why it's okay for you to criticize the civil trial and called it a socio-political production and on and on but it's not okay for me to criticize the criminal trial. Do you have a double standard about this?

I have yet to see/read/hear ANY orenthal apologist point to ANY ruling against the prosecution -- in ANY of orenthal's trials -- and argue in defense of the prosecution. I have seen/read/heard orenthal apologists SAY they are being fair, unbiased, etc., but you certainly can't prove it by anything they say/post.

imo

[tv]

My pleasure tv - I'm tired of watching you take a beating from a guy who so obviously harbors bitterness and racist issues of his own.

Thanks, again. :) Once again the thread has been derailed because William was in a mood this morning. Nothing new there.

[tv]

I have yet to see/read/hear ANY orenthal apologist point to ANY ruling against the prosecution -- in ANY of orenthal's trials -- and argue in defense of the prosecution. I have seen/read/heard orenthal apologists SAY they are being fair, unbiased, etc., but you certainly can't prove it by anything they say/post.

imo

Neither have I -- not once. They seem to forget that bias can work both ways -- for and against.

[martin II]

I agree and feel dismayed that the concept of the presumption of innocence seems to have outlived its usefulness.

Some automatically believe the defendant "Must be guilty otherwise why would the DA charge him" I think many thought oj was guilty before the trial based on biased media reports.

[Redmama]

I bet the a large percentage of blacks think Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony are guilty just like whites. The big divide comes when the OJ Simpson trial is discussed. I agree, Kayleigh, that there are racists and biases on both sides.

So if all blacks and all whites think the above are guilty, including OJ - and the difference is how blacks feel about OJ - shouldn't that be looked at?

[martin II]

So if all blacks and all whites think the above are guilty, including OJ - and the difference is how blacks feel about OJ - shouldn't that be looked at?

I think people agreeing a defendant was guilty ( the above mentioned defendants) after a trial and verdict is quite different from a group declaring a defendant guilty before a trial which is what the CNN poll results showed.

I also believe the media assisted people to come to their opinions by the biased reporting prior to the trial.

[tv]

I think people agreeing a defendant was guilty ( the above mentioned defendants) after a trial and verdict is quite different from a group declaring a defendant guilty before a trial which is what the CNN poll results showed.

I also believe the media assisted people to come to their opinions by the biased reporting prior to the trial.If you pay attention to these polls I think William would say you're listening to what other people say and not forming your own opinion. You didn't talk to the people that participated in the poll did you? If not, you have no direct information.

[tv]

So if all blacks and all whites think the above are guilty, including OJ - and the difference is how blacks feel about OJ - shouldn't that be looked at?

I think so. The only reason I can think of that they would be biased in his favor is skin color.

[tv]

Some automatically believe the defendant "Must be guilty otherwise why would the DA charge him" I think many thought oj was guilty before the trial based on biased media reports.

martin, it may be difficult for you to believe but most people in America can think for themselves.

[William Anthony]

I wonder why it's okay for you to criticize the civil trial and called it a socio-political production and on and on but it's not okay for me to criticize the criminal trial. Do you have a double standard about this?

No, there is no double standard, as I have not criticized the civil verdict and have stated it was correct based on the evidence included and excluded. I have not criticized the jury. I have criticized the understanding of what the trial was meant to be about based on some of the jurors' and judge's comments. See the difference? :)

[Kayleighjo]

I think people agreeing a defendant was guilty ( the above mentioned defendants) after a trial and verdict is quite different from a group declaring a defendant guilty before a trial which is what the CNN poll results showed.

I also believe the media assisted people to come to their opinions by the biased reporting prior to the trial.

We're not talking about after a trial with the people we named-especially considering that Anthony hasn't been charged in her daughter's disappearance-we're talking about people's opinions of them before they had their day in court. Try to stay with it here.

[William Anthony]

Obviously, naming hurricanes after women only is no longer in vogue because either women objected to being stereotyped or men complained about being left out. Feel better?

You maybe right. It may be that the wind from the women's mouths blew them off course.:)

[William Anthony]

Because he's a blatant hypocrite in so many obvious ways. He'll try to hide behind his "passion" for the law though.

We can or should be able to disagree and state our disagreements in a logical, pragmatic, sensible manner without name calling. See what I mean? :)

[Kayleighjo]

No, there is no double standard, as I have not criticized the civil verdict and have stated it was correct based on the evidence included and excluded. I have not criticized the jury. I have criticized the understanding of what the trial was meant to be about based on some of the jurors' and judge's comments. See the difference? :)

But you've criticized the evidence included and excluded and taken issue with about everything else having to do with the trial too and that's no different from accepting the criminal trial verdict but thinking that the verdict had less to do with Simpson's guilt and more to do with his color.

I don't personally accept the criminal trial verdict-pretty much every indication of why it was handed down (RACE) disgusted me.

[Kayleighjo]

We can or should be able to disagree and state our disagreements in a logical, pragmatic, sensible manner without name calling. See what I mean? :)

The only difference between you and I William is my honesty-I call it like I see it front and center while you try to disguise your personal attacks in coded phrases and innuendos. I'd have some amount of respect for you if you'd at least be honest.

[William Anthony]

My pleasure tv - I'm tired of watching you take a beating from a guy who so obviously harbors bitterness and racist issues of his own.

I do think it is against the rules to engage in name calling. :)

[Kayleighjo]

Some automatically believe the defendant "Must be guilty otherwise why would the DA charge him" I think many thought oj was guilty before the trial based on biased media reports.

So what do you think about the juror who said she formed an opinion of Mark Furhman before he even took the stand and opened his mouth-just based on his looks? You got any criticism for that person?

Bet not.

[Kayleighjo]

I do think it is against the rules to engage in name calling. :)

Name calling would be to say I think that you're a schmuck-which I haven't said. Calling you out on your bitterness or racism issues isn't name calling. But if that's what you think it is then I'd say you've been breaking the rules for a very long time. :eek:

[tv]

I do think it is against the rules to engage in name calling. :)

You've participated in name calling so many times yourself that I didn't realize you were aware of that rule.

[William Anthony]

The only difference between you and I William is my honesty-I call it like I see it front and center while you try to disguise your personal attacks in coded phrases and innuendos. I'd have some amount of respect for you if you'd at least be honest.

I have repeatedly said that respect is given not earned. You have made a value judgment about me, without even knowing me. You may not understand my appreciation for the law, which I understand. I would respectfully suggest that you make the statements as your opinion about my honesty, as opposed to statements of fact. There is a difference between you and me-I do not stoop to name calling unless someone has first do done and I do believe that every human being is worthy of respect, unless they are murders, rapists, or abusers of the defenseless.

[William Anthony]

You've participated in name calling so many times yourself that I didn't realize you were aware of that rule.

I thought the rules had been suspended at one time as I saw how they were being enforced. However, I do believe they are being enforced more equally now. :)

[tv]

I thought the rules had been suspended at one time as I saw how they were being enforced. However, I do believe they are being enforced more equally now. :)Good for you. :)

[William Anthony]

Name calling would be to say I think that you're a schmuck-which I haven't said. Calling you out on your bitterness or racism issues isn't name calling. But if that's what you think it is then I'd say you've been breaking the rules for a very long time. :eek:

I respectfully disagree. The only one who seems to be bitter is you. I understand that you have reasons to be bitter and have issues regarding race. I have always thought racism was stupid and argued against it, with open and honest discussions, imho, being the key to resolution. I honestly do not know how I would have reacted had I made the choices you made and been placed in the position you have been, as I understand them.

I worked for equality during the sixties and was a member of an interracial high school group that went to different schools giving speeches. Our goal was equality for all. My speech focused the fear that is caused by hatred on hating things other than people and talked about picking trees to hate (since, in high school, we all learned the poem-"I think that I should never see, a poem as lovely as a tree.

[Kayleighjo]

I respectfully disagree. The only one who seems to be bitter is you. I understand that you have reasons to be bitter and have issues regarding race. I have always thought racism was stupid and argued against it, with open and honest discussions, imho, being the key to resolution. I honestly do not know how I would have reacted had I made the choices you made and been placed in the position you have been, as I understand them.

I worked for equality during the sixties and was a member of an interracial high school group that went to different schools giving speeches. Our goal was equality for all. My speech focused the fear that is caused by hatred on hating things other than people and talked about picking trees to hate (since, in high school, we all learned the poem-"I think that I should never see, a poem as lovely as a tree.

I sure do have alot of bitterness - mostly directed at people like you who spend so much time hiding behind what they think is creative innuendo instead of being honest and then trying to say that they promote honesty.

[martin II]

I respectfully disagree. The only one who seems to be bitter is you. I understand that you have reasons to be bitter and have issues regarding race. I have always thought racism was stupid and argued against it, with open and honest discussions, imho, being the key to resolution. I honestly do not know how I would have reacted had I made the choices you made and been placed in the position you have been, as I understand them.

I worked for equality during the sixties and was a member of an interracial high school group that went to different schools giving speeches. Our goal was equality for all. My speech focused the fear that is caused by hatred on hating things other than people and talked about picking trees to hate (since, in high school, we all learned the poem-"I think that I should never see, a poem as lovely as a tree.


Some go right. step in a hole and then blame their feet or become bitter at the community at large for their own choices.

[William Anthony]

Thanks, again. :) Once again the thread has been derailed because William was in a mood this morning. Nothing new there.

I simply responded to a post that I believe you made and this thread was derailed long ago, because I started it as a thread to discuss whether Simpson could file a suit against Riccio. However, I was able to entertain different discussions, because I have been in a toasting mood. I offer a toast to all the polite, civil, and cordial disagreements we have had.

[Kayleighjo]

I have repeatedly said that respect is given not earned. You have made a value judgment about me, without even knowing me. You may not understand my appreciation for the law, which I understand. I would respectfully suggest that you make the statements as your opinion about my honesty, as opposed to statements of fact. There is a difference between you and me-I do not stoop to name calling unless someone has first do done and I do believe that every human being is worthy of respect, unless they are murders, rapists, or abusers of the defenseless.

It's clear that you're not honest and that's more than opinion-you've proven it time and again. My favorites though are when you actually do say something remotely honest and then spend so much time backpedaling in the aftermath.

I think you insult an appreciation for the law when you use it over and over as a shield.

[William Anthony]

I sure do have alot of bitterness - mostly directed at people like you who spend so much time hiding behind what they think is creative innuendo instead of being honest and then trying to say that they promote honesty.

There are rules that govern the manner we post on this board. I speak honestly to the posts that are posted within the rules. I have been disciplined in the past for speaking honestly about things that could not have been offensive by any stretch of the imagination to anyone and the poster to which It was directed did not find it offensive. I think beauty like honesty is in the eyes of the beholder. I cannot help the fact that what I post strikes a nerve, when I am being honest and staying within the rules. It seems I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. See what I mean?:)

[Kayleighjo]

Some go right. step in a hole and then blame their feet or become bitter at the community at large for their own choices.

Ah yes, this from the domestic violence supporter - oh rayraytwo, how time flies when you're having fun. :D

[Kayleighjo]

There are rules that govern the manner we post on this board. I speak honestly to the posts that are posted within the rules. I have been disciplined in the past for speaking honestly about things that could not have been offensive by any stretch of the imagination to anyone and the poster to which It was directed did not find it offensive. I think beauty like honesty is in the eyes of the beholder. I cannot help the fact that what I post strikes a nerve, when I am being honest and staying within the rules. It seems I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. See what I mean?:)

I think you should have stuck to your honesty.

[William Anthony]

It's clear that you're not honest and that's more than opinion-you've proven it time and again. My favorites though are when you actually do say something remotely honest and then spend so much time backpedaling in the aftermath.

I think you insult an appreciation for the law when you use it over and over as a shield.

The only time I do anything remotely similar to what you are saying is backpedaling is when I have not posted clearly or when I deny what some claim to take my post to mean, when I am the author of it and know its true intent. See what I mean? :)

[William Anthony]

I think you should have stuck to your honesty.

I think that any honest poster would find your statement to be true. :) Would you call, saying in a post that someone is a blatant hypocrite, name calling?

[William Anthony]

Name calling would be to say I think that you're a schmuck-which I haven't said. Calling you out on your bitterness or racism issues isn't name calling. But if that's what you think it is then I'd say you've been breaking the rules for a very long time. :eek:

To say that you think I am a schmuck would be an opinion. To say that I am a blatant hypocrite is name calling. See what I mean? :)

[William Anthony]

Name calling would be to say I think that you're a schmuck-which I haven't said. Calling you out on your bitterness or racism issues isn't name calling. But if that's what you think it is then I'd say you've been breaking the rules for a very long time. :eek:

I could say that I think you have another nic and that would be an opinion. If I said you had another nic and named it that would be name calling. See what I mean?:)

[Kayleighjo]

I could say that I think you have another nic and that would be an opinion. If I said you had another nic and named it that would be name calling. See what I mean?:)

I wouldn't be bothered in the least if you think I have another nic - as a matter of fact I would encourage you to ask the moderator to investigate it if that's the case. Some of us have nothing to hide.

[Kayleighjo]

To say that you think I am a schmuck would be an opinion. To say that I am a blatant hypocrite is name calling. See what I mean? :)

No, I don't see what you mean.

[weezer]

Some go right. step in a hole and then blame their feet or become bitter at the community at large for their own choices.

exactly what I've thought many, many times when I've read your posts.

[weezer]

I wouldn't be bothered in the least if you think I have another nic - as a matter of fact I would encourage you to ask the moderator to investigate it if that's the case. Some of us have nothing to hide.

someone help me out here -- there used to be a poster that boasted he/she was studying law, too young to watch orenthal's criminal trial, and claimed to have all of the trial on tape. this is making me nuts -- anyone remember the name?

[Kayleighjo]

someone help me out here -- there used to be a poster that boasted he/she was studying law, too young to watch orenthal's criminal trial, and claimed to have all of the trial on tape. this is making me nuts -- anyone remember the name?

How long ago?

[weezer]

How long ago?

hmmmm -- back before august of '06

[Kayleighjo]

hmmmm -- back before august of '06

I'm vaguely recalling, but the name isn't coming to me. And so you mean it was right before William Anthony joined?

[William Anthony]

I wouldn't be bothered in the least if you think I have another nic - as a matter of fact I would encourage you to ask the moderator to investigate it if that's the case. Some of us have nothing to hide.

I guess you did not see what I meant. I never said that it would bother you or that there was any need for someone to investigate or that you had anything to hide. See what I mean?:)

[William Anthony]

I'm vaguely recalling, but the name isn't coming to me. And so you mean it was right before William Anthony joined?

I know I am the one that said that I had them all on tape and that the R, but I could be wrong about the poster, was a person, who asked me after that about them, saying he was to young to watch the trial and that he was interested in studying law. Check it out. :)

[William Anthony]

Boasting is something they do in Texas, according to my understanding. I think it is often said that things grow bigger in Texas. I wonder if that applies to imaginations.

[Kayleighjo]

I guess you did not see what I meant. I never said that it would bother you or that there was any need for someone to investigate. See what I mean?:)

Yep I see-I saw the innuendo and all you do is confirm what I say about you.

[William Anthony]

Yep I see-I saw the innuendo and all you do is confirm what I say about you.

I see so you choose to blame me for what you read into my posts in order to be impolite. :)

[William Anthony]

Yep I see-I saw the innuendo and all you do is confirm what I say about you.

I did not notice an answer about you calling me a blatant hypocrite as to whether of not you considered that name calling.

[weezer]

I'm vaguely recalling, but the name isn't coming to me. And so you mean it was right before William Anthony joined?

about then -- I kinda remember her/him and rayray being buds......oh gosh -- this is going to make me nuts!!!!!

[martin II]

Boasting is something they do in Texas, according to my understanding. I think it is often said that things grow bigger in Texas. I wonder if that applies to imaginations.

Talking about Texas one thing that grows longer in the list of Humans executed to death as Texas leads the nation in that area.Some call it the State that loves to kill people.imo

[Kayleighjo]

I did not notice an answer about you calling me a blatant hypocrite as to whether of not you considered that name calling.

Sorry, I genuinely missed that one - but yes you're right - that is name calling.

[Kayleighjo]

about then -- I kinda remember her/him and rayray being buds......oh gosh -- this is going to make me nuts!!!!!

Now it's going to make me nuts too. Expect the only person I remember really being buds with rayray was netta - no one else could seem to stand him.

[William Anthony]

Talking about Texas one thing that grows longer in the list of Humans executed to death as Texas leads the nation in that area.Some call it the State that loves to kill people.imo

What is their form of capital punishment? I hope it is not hanging people by their toes.:)

[William Anthony]

Sorry, I genuinely missed that one - but yes you're right - that is name calling.

That is not allowed are you aware of that? Perhaps, it does not matter to you if the rules are broken by you.

[William Anthony]

Today is November 20th. WTh is going on? Has the been a ring placed around Beardsley's court appearance? :)

[weezer]

Talking about Texas one thing that grows longer in the list of Humans executed to death as Texas leads the nation in that area.Some call it the State that loves to kill people.imo

ya'll come back now. hear?

[weezer]

Sorry, I genuinely missed that one - but yes you're right - that is name calling.

oh gee -- I think 'blatant hypocrite' is an opinion and not name calling.

[Kayleighjo]

That is not allowed are you aware of that? Perhaps, it does not matter to you if the rules are broken by you.

No it doesn't really matter to me if they're broken by me or by anyone else for that matter-if it did matter then I would have been gunning for your removal long ago. That's why I said you should have stuck with honesty-it's far more enjoyable than the coded nonsense you spin out.

[martin II]

What is their form of capital punishment? I hope it is not hanging people by their toes.:)

It may be that in Texas they use all forms as long as they get the job done.

[martin II]

What i am thinking is that with the return of a certain poster the discussion has once again become bitter and negative which is a complaint of most Smart and intelligent posters that have left the thread.We all have been OT with the last page or two and should get back on target. At least prior to this we were on topic.imo

[Redmama]

I think people agreeing a defendant was guilty ( the above mentioned defendants) after a trial and verdict is quite different from a group declaring a defendant guilty before a trial which is what the CNN poll results showed.

I also believe the media assisted people to come to their opinions by the biased reporting prior to the trial.

I felt that way about all of the defendents that were mentioned after the trial.

[Kayleighjo]

What i am thinking is that with the return of a certain poster the discussion has once again become bitter and negative which is a complaint of most Smart and intelligent posters that have left the thread.We all have been OT with the last page or two and should get back on target. At least prior to this we were on topic.imo

Awww martin, I thought you'd be pleased as punch to see me!

[martin II]

I felt that way about all of the defendents that were mentioned after the trial.

Well at lease you waited until after the trial and you are not OT.
martin II

[Redmama]

I think people agreeing a defendant was guilty ( the above mentioned defendants) after a trial and verdict is quite different from a group declaring a defendant guilty before a trial which is what the CNN poll results showed.

I also believe the media assisted people to come to their opinions by the biased reporting prior to the trial.


Oh I totally agree that the media played a part. What were the polls before the trial for the other cases? I sincerly don't know.

[Redmama]

No, there is no double standard, as I have not criticized the civil verdict and have stated it was correct based on the evidence included and excluded. I have not criticized the jury. I have criticized the understanding of what the trial was meant to be about based on some of the jurors' and judge's comments. See the difference? :)

So you aren't criticizing when you call it a political production?

[Redmama]

There are rules that govern the manner we post on this board. I speak honestly to the posts that are posted within the rules. I have been disciplined in the past for speaking honestly about things that could not have been offensive by any stretch of the imagination to anyone and the poster to which It was directed did not find it offensive. I think beauty like honesty is in the eyes of the beholder. I cannot help the fact that what I post strikes a nerve, when I am being honest and staying within the rules. It seems I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. See what I mean?:)

The definition of offensive is different for everybody. I have learned that on this board more than I ever have in my whole life. I think that is a good thing.

[weezer]

Talking about Texas one thing that grows longer in the list of Humans executed to death as Texas leads the nation in that area.Some call it the State that loves to kill people.imo

Texas Death Row Statistics as of 11/14/2008:
Race Female Male Total
White 5 102 107 50.0% 29.7% 30.2%
Black 4 137 141 40.0% 39.8% 39.8%
Hispanic 1 101 102 10.0% 29.4% 28.8%
Other 0 4 4 0.0% 1.2% 1.1%
TOTAL 10 344 354 100.0% 100.0% 100.0

FloridaDeath Row Statistics as of 11/20/2008
Race Female Male Total
White 1 240
Black 0 136
Other 0 13
Total 390

[Redmama]

Texas Death Row Statistics as of 11/14/2008:
Race Female Male Total
White 5 102 107 50.0% 29.7% 30.2%
Black 4 137 141 40.0% 39.8% 39.8%
Hispanic 1 101 102 10.0% 29.4% 28.8%
Other 0 4 4 0.0% 1.2% 1.1%
TOTAL 10 344 354 100.0% 100.0% 100.0

FloridaDeath Row Statistics as of 11/20/2008
Race Female Male Total
White 1 240
Black 0 136
Other 0 13
Total 390

Interesting, I've always heard the exact opposite - thanks. Where did this come from? Don't need a link - just the general idea.

[weezer]

Interesting, I've always heard the exact opposite - thanks. Where did this come from? Don't need a link - just the general idea.

Texas: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/stats-home.htm
Florida: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/activeinmates/deathrowroster.asp

[martin II]

http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/executions-by-state/page.do?id=1011590
Updated November 20, 2008 November 20, 2008 November 20, 2008
U.S. Executions by State
Texas 422
Virginia 102
Oklahoma 88
Florida 66
Missouri 66
Georgia 43
North Carolina 43
South Carolina 39
Alabama 38
Ohio 28
Louisiana 27
Arkansas 27
Arizona 23
Indiana 19
Delaware 14
California 13
Nevada 12
Illinois 12
Mississippi 10
Utah 6
Maryland 5
Washington 4
Tennessee 4
Federal 3
Nebraska 3
Pennsylvania 3
Montana 3
Kentucky 2
Oregon 2
Colorado 1
Idaho 1
Wyoming 1
Connecticut 1
South Dakota 1
New Mexico 1
Total Executions Since 1976: 1133
U.S. Executions by Method
Lethal Injection 930
Electrocution 153
Lethal Gas 11
Hanging* 3
Firing Squad* 2
* All states that used this method had lethal injection as an alternative.


Abolitionist Jurisdictions (16)
Alaska

Hawaii

Iowa

Maine

Massachusetts

Michigan

Minnesota

New Jersey

New York

North Dakota

Rhode Island

Vermont

West Virginia

Wisconsin

District of Columbia

Puerto Rico

[William Anthony]

No it doesn't really matter to me if they're broken by me or by anyone else for that matter-if it did matter then I would have been gunning for your removal long ago. That's why I said you should have stuck with honesty-it's far more enjoyable than the coded nonsense you spin out.

"Because he's a blatant hypocrite in so many obvious ways. He'll try to hide behind his "passion" for the law though."

Your words and I'd like for you to post where I specifically called any poster anything, not to include what you suggest I did by innuendo. Thanks.

[William Anthony]

The definition of offensive is different for everybody. I have learned that on this board more than I ever have in my whole life. I think that is a good thing.

Yes, imagination is praised, depending on who uses it on this board. :)

[William Anthony]

So you aren't criticizing when you call it a political production?

No, I am not criticizing the verdict or the jurors.

[William Anthony]

Awww martin, I thought you'd be pleased as punch to see me!

I think martin enjoys an intelligent discussion as much as the next person and I said I was glad to see you back. I think he is too. Sometimes a little digression does the soul good.

[William Anthony]

It may be that in Texas they use all forms as long as they get the job done.

I spent two years in Texas in the service and have not returned since. I am not in any hurry.

[Redmama]

Yes, imagination is praised, depending on who uses it on this board. :)

Imagination, I don't think so. If it causes problems, don't do it, we can all make arguments without using a name, imo.

[martin II]

Oh I totally agree that the media played a part. What were the polls before the trial for the other cases? I sincerly don't know.

There may be polls before the civil trial but i never saw one.The civil trial did not create as much interest as the criminal trial as most knew it was about money.imo

[William Anthony]

Imagination, I don't think so. If it causes problems, don't do it, we can all make arguments without using a name, imo.

Perhaps, you are at a loss on this one. I was speaking of the time a poster had a pair of lips as an avatar, which I called beautiful and said that I liked what came out of them, meaning the posts. There was such an uproar over what some posters called offensive. The poster with the avatar did not find it offensive and so stated. When things that I have found offensive, there has been explanations given and others have said they did not find them offensive. I think that is where imagination plays a part in determining what is offensive. In fact another poster commented on the avatar and said something that was arguably suggestive and no one said a thing. Of course, that poster was on the side of those who felt Simpson guilty and wanted to criticize the jury.

[weezer]

http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/executions-by-state/page.do?id=1011590
Updated November 20, 2008 November 20, 2008 November 20, 2008
U.S. Executions by State
Texas 422
Virginia 102
Oklahoma 88
Florida 66
Missouri 66
Georgia 43
North Carolina 43
South Carolina 39
Alabama 38
Ohio 28
Louisiana 27
Arkansas 27
Arizona 23
Indiana 19
Delaware 14
California 13
Nevada 12
Illinois 12
Mississippi 10
Utah 6
Maryland 5
Washington 4
Tennessee 4
Federal 3
Nebraska 3
Pennsylvania 3
Montana 3
Kentucky 2
Oregon 2
Colorado 1
Idaho 1
Wyoming 1
Connecticut 1
South Dakota 1
New Mexico 1
Total Executions Since 1976: 1133
U.S. Executions by Method
Lethal Injection 930
Electrocution 153
Lethal Gas 11
Hanging* 3
Firing Squad* 2
* All states that used this method had lethal injection as an alternative.


Abolitionist Jurisdictions (16)
Alaska

Hawaii

Iowa

Maine

Massachusetts

Michigan

Minnesota

New Jersey

New York

North Dakota

Rhode Island

Vermont

West Virginia

Wisconsin

District of Columbia

Puerto Rico

LOL -- so you think that's how many people Texas has executed this year? LOL

[William Anthony]

Today is November 20th. WTH is going on?:)

[martin II]

I spent two years in Texas in the service and have not returned since. I am not in any hurry.

I spent 10 days in Texas on military assignment and one week as a civilian.

I am not in a hurry to go back.

[weezer]

I spent 10 days in Texas on military assignment and one week as a civilian.

I am not in a hurry to go back.

ya'll come back now. hear?

[martin II]

LOL -- so you think that's how many people Texas has executed this year? LOL

I have not given a opinion. The link contains all the info.Texas leads the nation in killing humans.
It is Amnesty Internationals link.

[weezer]

I have not given a opinion. The link contains all the info.Texas leads the nation in killing humans.
It is Amnesty Internationals link.

LOL -- so your belief is that that accurately shows the number of executions in Texas this year? LOL

[Kayleighjo]

"Because he's a blatant hypocrite in so many obvious ways. He'll try to hide behind his "passion" for the law though."

Your words and I'd like for you to post where I specifically called any poster anything, not to include what you suggest I did by innuendo. Thanks.

And why would you like me to do that?

[martin II]

Perhaps, you are at a loss on this one. I was speaking of the time a poster had a pair of lips as an avatar, which I called beautiful and said that I liked what came out of them, meaning the posts. There was such an uproar over what some posters called offensive. The poster with the avatar did not find it offensive and so stated. When things that I have found offensive, there has been explanations given and others have said they did not find them offensive. I think that is where imagination plays a part in determining what is offensive. In fact another poster commented on the avatar and said something that was arguably suggestive and no one said a thing. Of course, that poster was on the side of those who felt Simpson guilty and wanted to criticize the jury.

Well some female posters here objected very strongly to the lady's red lips avatar. She was a great poster but she no longer post here.

[Kayleighjo]

Well some female posters here objected very strongly to the lady's red lips avatar. She was a great poster but she no longer post here.

I know, same with Susie (great and sweet poster) but she made it clear several weeks ago that William ran her off.

[martin II]

LOL -- so your belief is that that accurately shows the number of executions in Texas this year? LOL

I would hope that Texas has not killed that many people in a year as that would be more than one a day.But what ever period it represents, Texas leads the nation on killing people by a great deal.imo
Amanisty International also states that blacks are more likely to be charged
and given death sentances when the victim is white. See the link.

[weezer]

I would hope that Texas has not killed that many people in a year as that would be more than one a day.But what ever period it represents, Texas leads the nation on killing people by a great deal.imo
Amanisty International also states that blacks are more likely to be charged
and given death sentances when the victim is white. See the link.

Murders Executions
672,185 1,099
611 Murders per Execution

[William Anthony]

And why would you like me to do that?

To support your claim.

[William Anthony]

I know, same with Susie (great and sweet poster) but she made it clear several weeks ago that William ran her off.

You are sadly mistaken. I think that, if you know something you should post it. It was not me that ran her off, unless she has taken offense with the way I respond to one of her friends, which I have reason to believe she did not, or, if she did she got over it ;):cool:
I think you may need to reread the posts, before you make and additional false accusation.

[William Anthony]

I know, same with Susie (great and sweet poster) but she made it clear several weeks ago that William ran her off.

I see that you made no mention of another sweet poster, who was ran off by a completely insensitive and callous remarks of a poster whose name I choose not to speak. I could ask why not but I think I know why. However, you want to call me a blatant hypocrite. ;):cool:

[martin II]

I see that you made no mention of another sweet poster, who was ran off by a completely insensitive and callous remarks of a poster whose name I choose not to speak. I could ask why not but I think I know why. However, you want to call me a blatant hypocrite. ;):cool:

Correct. Some bring personal bitterness and anger to the thread for disruption only.imo

[Redmama]

There may be polls before the civil trial but i never saw one.The civil trial did not create as much interest as the criminal trial as most knew it was about money.imo

But I still watched the other trials and believed they were guilty.

[Redmama]

[QUOTE=martin II;9139538]Well at lease you waited until after the trial and you are not OT.
martin II[/QUOT

I was hoping for a different outcome (not guilt) but in my mind he is guilty

[William Anthony]

Correct. Some bring personal bitterness and anger to the thread for disruption only.imo

Yesterday, tvdinner and I engaged in what I thought was friendly banter. It was then interrupted by a poster, who I welcomed back, that seemed to want to attack. I chose not to respond to her immediate attack but continued the discussion. The poster indicated I had a feigned respect for the law and that I was not honest in my remarks. I think that the poster wanted to blame me for what she was able to read into my posts. Susie read something into my posts that was not intended and I apologized. My post to Susie included my regular joke about LE.

I have shared with you where I grew up and you can understand my feeling toward LE, I think. As I matured I realized it was not the law that I devalued as much as some of those who enforced it. Yesterday the poster said I had a feigned appreciation for the law. Due to my maturity, I realized that the law/rules are necessary to ensure that mankind does not sink to its lower and most vile character, as evidence by a recent set of callous and insensitive posts that caused another poster to leave the community. I have watched some poster post remarks with racial overtones about the criminal jury and others but, when we (I think you share my desire for equality) place the reasons for the jury's actions and statements in a historical, political and social and cultural context, they claim not to want to discuss race. I have said that I believe the key to resolution on feeling regarding race are open and honest discussions-a discussion is an exchange of ideas and not a one-sided remark. I have read other posts of Wind149's on other boards and do not believe he or she is racist. I think he spoke openly and honestly on this board about things others did not. If my posts by staying within the rules cause some, including me to self-reflect, I do not apologize.

I did publicly apologize to Susie, because she misunderstood my post as sarcastic and angry and it was not intended to be either. The posts that I considered vile and most base that drove another from the community has never been apologized for publicly. I would also like to thank Redmama for making me see that another poster, when I repeatedly unsuccessfully asked why he had been obsessed with the criminal trial, was not about to be honest with his response. I think that beauty like honesty is in the eyes of the beholder. I do not apologize for staying within the rules while being as honest as possible. I will admit that there are two here who make that arduous-and tvdinner is not one. The poster from yesterday is not one, although she did say that she would respect me if I spoke honestly. I think that poster may need more time to self-reflect and develop a full appreciation for the rules of this board. Thanks for listening to me.

[William Anthony]

Hey Joe,

Today is November 21st. WTH?

[William Anthony]

You hypocrite. You sanctomonious, self serving, bile inducing hypocrite.

Yes, you are one. Before you misunderstand-one of the two who make it arduous. I am pleased to see that you have engaged in self-reflection, wink cool.

[William Anthony]

You hypocrite. You sanctomonious, self serving, bile inducing hypocrite.

Well Joe,

I now know what you know. How to engage in name calling. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

You hypocrite. You sanctomonious, self serving, bile inducing hypocrite.

Hey baby man, (I am not from the south)

The word is sanctimonious. That Australian education thing, I think. You really should not be so hard on yourself. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

It will come.

Hey Joe,

What you know-is that your way of saying you were wrong, again?;):cool:

[William Anthony]

We are on the opposite side of a debate. I could respect you if you at least treated other people with respect. But you don't. I've been reading your posts today and anyone would think you're Mother Theresa. Let anyone read our posts. What a pity they can't read the ones that have been removed because you can't deal with other people civilly.

You are a hypocrite. Simpson is guilty. He has always been guilty

And he ain't getting out of jail any time soon.

Oh yeah.

Hey Joe,

What debate. I posted facts. I care less about your respect than I did bobaugust's. At least, and I admit publicly what I have told some privately-I admired and, as much as it pains me to say this, even liked bobaugust, because he had evidence and information to support his views, even though we disagreed. You, on the other hand, have brought no information or evidence to these threads-only insults, regurgitation of others' posts and posts containing racial remarks. The ones that have been removed, some of which were at my request, dealt with the vile and reprehensible post of another and, the others dealt with what some misunderstood as me calling you a silly fool. While I do understand why the automatically jumped to that conclusion, I did not, unlike you, call you that. I understand that you are angry, because I posted the facts as it pertained to Yesterday's accusation against me in comparison to one, who I believe you have befriended and believe me I think the two of you are worthy of friendship. Oh yeah, that poster is the other one. You were the one, who believed the poster's report about November the 19th. Don't get mad at me, because you nor the other poster knew WTH was going on. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

We are on the opposite side of a debate. I could respect you if you at least treated other people with respect. But you don't. I've been reading your posts today and anyone would think you're Mother Theresa. Let anyone read our posts. What a pity they can't read the ones that have been removed because you can't deal with other people civilly.

You are a hypocrite. Simpson is guilty. He has always been guilty

And he ain't getting out of jail any time soon.

Oh yeah.

Why Joe,

I would not want anyone to mistake me for Mother Theresa. I am a grown man and not of Scottish decent to my knowledge, which I said yesterday. My interest in the attire of women does not extend to wearing them and truly not to habits. Just for you edification, I enjoy seeing a woman dressed in classical but yet somewhat stimulating feminine attire. I noticed that you enjoyed Susie's Black outfit with the hat. I appreciate her current one. We have a disagreement on that. :) As far as Simpson being guilty of armed robbery and the other charges under Nevada law and his currently being in jail and, if you mean incarcerated in a penal institution, as opposed to a somewhat limited understanding of the true meaning of jail, then I have no disagreement with your statements that he will not be getting out soon. So I see no significance to your saying November 19th, unless you bought into the speculation about Beardsley and the ring being it.

[William Anthony]

Simpson will finally get his. It's taken a long time but it will happen.

You remain a hypocrite. You can supply the adjective. You know Simpson is guilty.

I don't give a rats about who's responsible for posts being deleted.

You just don't get it. People don't like being treated like rubbish because they think (correctly) that Simpson is guilty.

Well Joe,

You don't get it. People do not like, while there are some that might, like your posts with racial overtones, those that are insulting and baiting and those that engage in name calling. Of course, you don't care about who was responsible for the vile, callous and reprehensible posts being deleted, because they were made by someone who befriended you and who thinks Simpson is guilty and who has made racially derogatory remarks about the criminal jury.

There are some who think Simpson is guilty, who I have disagreed with respectfully, because they respected me. I do not know if he is guilty of murder or not. I do know that the verdict is not guilty. Those, who have voiced their opinions in a respectful way without making the types of posts you make, have found and spoken about my civility. I guess that like beauty is also in the eyes of the beholder. ;):cool: It appears that one eye in your avatar is closed or clouded. Open it so that you can see the world in its true colors. :)

[William Anthony]

Hey Joe,

What you know-I enjoy your witty repertoire-I am your huckleberry. ;):cool:

[weezer]

for the posters who have read any erroneous posts about stories being made up:

Goldman wins order for Simpson's Hall of Fame ring

Memorabilia dealer summoned to court

By JOHN ROGERS
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
O.J. Simpson Trial

SANTA MONICA, Calif. -- As O.J. Simpson sits in jail in Las Vegas, his Pro Football Hall of Fame ring has become the object of a custody battle in California, where a judge ordered Friday that a memorabilia dealer hand it over.

The dealer, Alfred Beardsley, is one of two men Simpson was convicted this month of robbing in a Las Vegas hotel room last year. Attorneys representing Fred Goldman in his effort to collect his share of a $33.5 million wrongful death judgment say they have learned Simpson gave the ring to Beardsley sometime after the robbery.

After a hearing that lasted no more than five minutes, Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg ordered that Beardsley, 46, appear in his courtroom Nov. 19 and produce the ring. He also ordered Simpson, who awaits sentencing, not to make any effort to dispose of the ring.

But Rosenberg also noted that getting Beardsley to court next month could be problematic. The memorabilia dealer is incarcerated at a state prison in Chino on a parole violation. He was convicted in 2003 of stalking a woman.

"How are you going to get him here?" Rosenberg asked Goldman attorney Peter Haven.

"We'll make the arrangements," Haven replied.

Haven is one of two attorneys representing Goldman, the father of Ron Goldman, who was stabbed to death with Simpson's ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, in Los Angeles in 1994.

Simpson was acquitted of those killings but later held liable for the deaths by a civil court jury that ordered him to pay the victims' survivors $33.5 million.

Most of the judgment is unpaid, but Fred Goldman has dedicated his life to making Simpson hand over as many of his assets as possible. His attorneys believe the ring could be auctioned for $50,000.

Neither Beardsley nor his attorney, Jack Neil Swickard, were in court Friday. Swickard said by phone that he was visiting Beardsley in prison at the time and was unaware of the hearing.

Ronald Slates, the attorney who has represented Simpson in his battles with Goldman, told Rosenberg he has no idea where the ring is.

Goldman attorney David Cook said outside court that Clark County District Attorney David Roger told him Beardsley has the ring. He said Roger told him the memorabilia dealer was on a bus taking him back to jail when he boasted that Simpson gave it to him.

Roger has declined to comment until after Simpson is sentenced in December.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/31224094.html

[William Anthony]

So, there is no evidence that has been produced and just hearsay that Simpson gave the ring to Beardsley and no hearing held to make a finding. I guess November 19th had no importance, only in the minds of some, who may want to engage in speculation and hearsay. For the record, I never said that the story was erroneous as it pertained to the November 19th date. I said not to blame me because what you know Joe took so much stock in it and that he nor the poster who made the post knew WTH was going on.

[William Anthony]

Thanks weezer. The truth will out. It usually does. No matter what some people choose to believe.

Hey Joe,

What you know? Have you ever seen the movie, "A Civil Action"? There is a line in it about the truth-"Trials are never about the truth." Yes, it is a true story. A trial is about what can be proven by the applicable standard of proof. That is why some here can offer intelligent discussions about the trials, because they realize this. If you are looking for the truth, consider whether or not Beardsley had any motive to make the hearsay statement, given that prisoners enjoy being on the outside as much as possible. I think the truth will turn on whether or not he can produce the ring. Truth like honesty, beauty and civility is in the eyes (don't be disadvantaged) of the beholder. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

Are you sure Simpson was even in the country when all this happened Weezer?

But we all know where we can find him on November 19, don't we?
Last edited by Joseph Bell; 11-17-2008 at 10:15 PM. Reason: Becuase I felt like it.

Hey Joe,

What you know? What was so significant about November 19?

[tv]

Hey Joe,

What you know? What was so significant about November 19?In case you may have missed it here is the thread:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291511

or weezer's post #451 above explains it all. :)

Joseph may have gone to bed because I think it's between 11:30 PM and 1:30 AM in Australia.

[martin II]

Thanks weezer. The truth will out. It usually does. No matter what some people choose to believe.

I remember the truth comming out about you.

[Kayleighjo]

You are sadly mistaken. I think that, if you know something you should post it. It was not me that ran her off, unless she has taken offense with the way I respond to one of her friends, which I have reason to believe she did not, or, if she did she got over it ;):cool:
I think you may need to reread the posts, before you make and additional false accusation.

Read her post, she made it clear it was because of how you were responding to her.

[Kayleighjo]

To support your claim.

My claim that you try to hide everything insulting and offensive in your innuendos? I guess that would require me to post almost all of your history.

I'm sorry you don't like being called out on your hypocrisy, but facts are facts-gotta face them sometime.

[Kayleighjo]

I see that you made no mention of another sweet poster, who was ran off by a completely insensitive and callous remarks of a poster whose name I choose not to speak. I could ask why not but I think I know why. However, you want to call me a blatant hypocrite. ;):cool:

Ahhh, the beauty of this-you are so assuming-but I'll play the game anyway and ask what poster you are talking about? Is there someone other than Susie that posted that they were leaving because of how someone treated them? Point out that poster's post regarding it and I'll be more than happy to respond.

And yes, I do want to call you a blatant hypocrite. :cool:

[Kayleighjo]

Yesterday, tvdinner and I engaged in what I thought was friendly banter. It was then interrupted by a poster, who I welcomed back, that seemed to want to attack. I chose not to respond to her immediate attack but continued the discussion. The poster indicated I had a feigned respect for the law and that I was not honest in my remarks. I think that the poster wanted to blame me for what she was able to read into my posts. Susie read something into my posts that was not intended and I apologized. My post to Susie included my regular joke about LE.

I have shared with you where I grew up and you can understand my feeling toward LE, I think. As I matured I realized it was not the law that I devalued as much as some of those who enforced it. Yesterday the poster said I had a feigned appreciation for the law. Due to my maturity, I realized that the law/rules are necessary to ensure that mankind does not sink to its lower and most vile character, as evidence by a recent set of callous and insensitive posts that caused another poster to leave the community. I have watched some poster post remarks with racial overtones about the criminal jury and others but, when we (I think you share my desire for equality) place the reasons for the jury's actions and statements in a historical, political and social and cultural context, they claim not to want to discuss race. I have said that I believe the key to resolution on feeling regarding race are open and honest discussions-a discussion is an exchange of ideas and not a one-sided remark. I have read other posts of Wind149's on other boards and do not believe he or she is racist. I think he spoke openly and honestly on this board about things others did not. If my posts by staying within the rules cause some, including me to self-reflect, I do not apologize.

I did publicly apologize to Susie, because she misunderstood my post as sarcastic and angry and it was not intended to be either. The posts that I considered vile and most base that drove another from the community has never been apologized for publicly. I would also like to thank Redmama for making me see that another poster, when I repeatedly unsuccessfully asked why he had been obsessed with the criminal trial, was not about to be honest with his response. I think that beauty like honesty is in the eyes of the beholder. I do not apologize for staying within the rules while being as honest as possible. I will admit that there are two here who make that arduous-and tvdinner is not one. The poster from yesterday is not one, although she did say that she would respect me if I spoke honestly. I think that poster may need more time to self-reflect and develop a full appreciation for the rules of this board. Thanks for listening to me.

LOL! thanks for the speech:biggrin:

[Kayleighjo]

Yesterday, tvdinner and I engaged in what I thought was friendly banter.

Really? She posted to me "Thanks, again. Once again the thread has been derailed because William was in a mood this morning. Nothing new there."

That doesn't make it clear to you that she wasn't appreciating the conversation?

[tv]

Really? She posted to me "Thanks, again. Once again the thread has been derailed because William was in a mood this morning. Nothing new there."

That doesn't make it clear to you that she wasn't appreciating the conversation?

I suppose friendly banter is also in the eye of the beholder along with civility, honesty, beauty and...have I left anything out? ;)

[Kayleighjo]

I suppose friendly banter is also in the eye of the beholder along with civility, honesty, beauty and...have I left anything out? ;)

LOL, no I think that about covers it.

[William Anthony]

In case you may have missed it here is the thread:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291511

or weezer's post #451 above explains it all. :)

Joseph may have gone to bed because I think it's between 11:30 PM and 1:30 AM in Australia.

You misunderstood as usual. Old one-eyed Joe was positing as if something great was to transpire on the 19th, relying on the one whose name I choose not to say, and as usual, imho, they and whomsoever else put faith in them, were wrong. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

Read her post, she made it clear it was because of how you were responding to her.

Quite untrue. She read into my post something that was not there. I apologized for her misgivings and, if she chose to leave the threads that was her choice-just as it would be yours. Please, stop the false accusations.

[William Anthony]

My claim that you try to hide everything insulting and offensive in your innuendos? I guess that would require me to post almost all of your history.

I'm sorry you don't like being called out on your hypocrisy, but facts are facts-gotta face them sometime.

That was not your claim. Please, stop the false posts?

[William Anthony]

LOL! thanks for the speech:biggrin:

Your welcome and, if you continue to post in the manner that you have, there will be more to come for your pleasurable reading.

[William Anthony]

Really? She posted to me "Thanks, again. Once again the thread has been derailed because William was in a mood this morning. Nothing new there."

That doesn't make it clear to you that she wasn't appreciating the conversation?

Yes, I am used to people derailing threads and then trying to blame me. ;):cool:

[William Anthony]

I suppose friendly banter is also in the eye of the beholder along with civility, honesty, beauty and...have I left anything out? ;)

Why, I had no idea that you were being unfriendly. You left out sincerity. :)

[Kayleighjo]

Your welcome and, if you continue to post in the manner that you have, there will be more to come for your pleasurable reading.

Oh, I can't wait! (jumping up and down with excitement):rolleyes:

[Kayleighjo]

That was not your claim. Please, stop the false posts?

That was my claim. Please, try really hard to comprehend?

[William Anthony]

LOL, no I think that about covers it.

Please, do not try to interfere with the warmth and cordiality that tvdinner and I have established. You may find those, who post offensive, reprehensible, vile, callous and racially disparate remarks (have I left anything out) more inclined to be pleased by your interference. ;):cool:

[Kayleighjo]

You misunderstood as usual. Old one-eyed Joe was positing as if something great was to transpire on the 19th, relying on the one whose name I choose not to say, and as usual, imho, they and whomsoever else put faith in them, were wrong. ;):cool:

And you're not a hypocrite? hahahahaha:D

[William Anthony]

And you're not a hypocrite? hahahahaha:D

Go back and read his posts and read mine, then maybe you will understand. You can also stop the name calling, please? ;):cool:

[Kayleighjo]

Quite untrue. She read into my post something that was not there. I apologized for her misgivings and, if she chose to leave the threads that was her choice-just as it would be yours. Please, stop the false accusations.

And you haven't answered about the other poster you claim was run off by someone else's callous remarks. Where is that poster's post that they left because of someone's callousness?

[William Anthony]

Oh, I can't wait! (jumping up and down with excitement):rolleyes:

Control yourself. One may think you are trying to bait me. :)

[Kayleighjo]

Go back and read his posts and read mine, then maybe you will understand. You can also stop the name calling, please? ;):cool:

It doesn't matter who threw the first stone between you and Bell-you choose to take part in it and that makes you just as guilty-it's also what makes you a hypocrite.:rolleyes::cool:

[William Anthony]

And you haven't answered about the other poster you claim was run off by someone else's callous remarks. Where is that poster's post that they left because of someone's callousness?

No longer on this board.

[William Anthony]

It doesn't matter who threw the first stone between you and Bell-you choose to take part in it and that makes you just as guilty-it's also what makes you a hypocrite.:rolleyes::cool:

We are on a different subject. I am talking about his glee over the 19th when nothing happened and the poster, who started it was asking WTH happened.

[Kayleighjo]

No longer on this board.

Ohhhh, of course;)

So if it's no longer on this board (the post) why exactly is it that you assume I know anything about it? Instead you choose to assume that I know about this scenario and that I just choose for reasons not to address it. Yep, you sure are the epitome of fairness like you claim to be.

[Kayleighjo]

I'm grabbing a bourbon ball from the party thread and will be back.

[William Anthony]

Ohhhh, of course;)

So if it's no longer on this board (the post) why exactly is it that you assume I know anything about it? Instead you choose to assume that I know about this scenario and that I just choose for reasons not to address it. Yep, you sure are the epitome of fairness like you claim to be.

What I thought was that you had been paying attention but not posting. Please, do not think that I am unfair? I am hard but fair. You want to try this friendship thing?

[Redmama]

ya'll come back now. hear?

I lived in San Antonio for 2 years - was relocated there for work - I absolutely loved it. I only moved back because my releatives are here.

[tv]

You misunderstood as usual. Old one-eyed Joe was positing as if something great was to transpire on the 19th, relying on the one whose name I choose not to say, and as usual, imho, they and whomsoever else put faith in them, were wrong. ;):cool:I understood perfectly. It was you who feigned misunderstanding the significance of November 19.

[tv]

Ohhhh, of course;)

So if it's no longer on this board (the post) why exactly is it that you assume I know anything about it? Instead you choose to assume that I know about this scenario and that I just choose for reasons not to address it. Yep, you sure are the epitome of fairness like you claim to be.

Not entirely true that it's no longer on this board. The poster in question didn't announce her leaving in the OJ forum. Here is her post:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showpost.php?p=9134325&postcount=4

I saw no mention of leaving because of being offended in this forum. If she made those statements she must have done it in PM. William, it's time to let this go...

[William Anthony]

I understood perfectly. It was you who feigned misunderstanding the significance of November 19.

No, I did not feign anything. What happened on the 19th that was different from the 17th, 18th, 20th or the 21st? The answer is nothing and the poster, who started the post about the 19th and some others were expressing their glee hoping that hearsay could be proven true. However, nothing of any significance happened, except a phone call from the judge to whatever penal institution Beardsley was housed. See what I mean? It was Joe who was spouting off about the 19th. He now says don't worry "it" will come. There sure is a lot of it being thrown about. See what I mean?:)

[William Anthony]

Not entirely true that it's no longer on this board. The poster in question didn't announce her leaving in the OJ forum. Here is her post:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showpost.php?p=9134325&postcount=4

I saw no mention of leaving because of being offended in this forum. If she made those statements she must have done it in PM. William, it's time to let this go...

yes, you are right. I did misunderstand Kalieghjo's inquiry as I responded to where the poster was. You know that to bring the contents of a pm to the board is against the rules, don't you? I think you are aware of everything that transpired in those, imho, wicked, vile, reprehensible, calloused and mean spirited posts and are well aware of why the poster chose to leave. Personally, I think she acted very much like a lady and I would offer her :rose::rose::rose::rose:. I think I need to be clear. I am not saying you brought the contents of a pm to the board. I am saying that, if I shared the contents of any, I would be breaking the rules.

[William Anthony]

I lived in San Antonio for 2 years - was relocated there for work - I absolutely loved it. I only moved back because my releatives are here.

I also lived in San Antonio. Part of the time I spent at Fort Sam Houston before moving off base. There is no prettier city that I have seen. I was there when they hosted the World's Fair. I liked Brankenridge park, the river walk, seeing the Alamo, and the Eastwood Country Club. However, I can say that I was glad to leave.

[Redmama]

I also lived in San Antonio. Part of the time I spent at Fort Sam Houston before moving off base. There is no prettier city that I have seen. I was there when they hosted the World's Fair. I liked Brankenridge park, the river walk, seeing the Alamo, and the Eastwood Country Club. However, I can say that I was glad to leave.

I'm a total cold wheather wimp so it was absolutely perfect me - minus all of my family.

[William Anthony]

I'm a total cold wheather wimp so it was absolutely perfect me - minus all of my family.

I love the warmer climates. I then was transferred to Fort Hood and we had a guy from Philadelphia, who claimed he was singing at a club named the Western A Go Go. Some of us got dressed to go see him and were informed he was the dishwasher and that they didn't serve "---". I decided that Texas was not a place I wanted to spend my money. :)

[Redmama]

I love the warmer climates. I then was transferred to Fort Hood and we had a guy from Philadelphia, who claimed he was singing at a club named the Western A Go Go. Some of us got dressed to go see him and were informed he was the dishwasher and that they didn't serve "---". I decided that Texas was not a place I wanted to spend my money. :)

That is really TERRIBLE! Although I don't think it quite fair to judge the whole state of Texas. By the way I was born their - so watch yourself...we moved when I was only 3 so going back was kind of cool in my mind.:patriot:

[Redmama]

I love the warmer climates. I then was transferred to Fort Hood and we had a guy from Philadelphia, who claimed he was singing at a club named the Western A Go Go. Some of us got dressed to go see him and were informed he was the dishwasher and that they didn't serve "---". I decided that Texas was not a place I wanted to spend my money. :)


I spent grades K-8 as the minority and was treated terribly almost every day, so I really do get where you are coming from. What I try to remember from it is this one HUGE (well he seemed huge in 8th grade) that stood up for me and would somehow be there at every turn before anything was done to me.

[tv]

I love the warmer climates. I then was transferred to Fort Hood and we had a guy from Philadelphia, who claimed he was singing at a club named the Western A Go Go. Some of us got dressed to go see him and were informed he was the dishwasher and that they didn't serve "---". I decided that Texas was not a place I wanted to spend my money. :)

What year was that William? I doubt that incident was unique to Texas at that time. In 1979 I was working at a club that my uncle managed taking cover charges at the door. A young black man came into the club and asked me if we served blacks. I was totally shocked that he would ask that (even in Virginia). Was there some place that had refused him service or did he just mean would he be welcome and treated with courtesy? I was never sure but he paid his cover charge and had a good evening as far as I'm aware -- at least he was smiling when he left.

I didn't post this to start you on a racial injustice rant. It was just something that came back to me after many years.

[William Anthony]

I spent grades K-8 as the minority and was treated terribly almost every day, so I really do get where you are coming from. What I try to remember from it is this one HUGE (well he seemed huge in 8th grade) that stood up for me and would somehow be there at every turn before anything was done to me.

I truly understand and this was not my first encounter with such. It just made me realize that I did not want to be in Texas. I think that racism is stupid no matter the race of those who engage in it.

[William Anthony]

What year was that William? I doubt that incident was unique to Texas at that time. In 1979 I was working at a club that my uncle managed taking cover charges at the door. A young black man came into the club and asked me if we served blacks. I was totally shocked that he would ask that (even in Virginia). Was there some place that had refused him service or did he just mean would he be welcome and treated with courtesy? I was never sure but he paid his cover charge and had a good evening as far as I'm aware -- at least he was smiling when he left.

I didn't post this to start you on a racial injustice rant. It was just something that came back to me after many years.

I do believe that was 1969. I mean there are still places like that now. However, that was not my point. I really had no desire to be in a place like that and the only reason I went was, because a guy from our company was allegedly singing there.

[William Anthony]

Before anyone misunderstands, I am from the north. In the late seventies or early eighties I was on my way home when the axle on a car I had recently bought fell off. There was a motel a little bit of a walk away and a bar, just across the road and down in a hole. It looked like an old railroad station. Being lazy I opted for the bar. I was going to ask to use the phone. It got deathly quiet when I walked in. The juke box stopped playing. I don't know if the bartender had a button to shut it off. I saw everyone staring at me. I decided that I was not so lazy after all. :)

[tv]

yes, you are right. I did misunderstand Kalieghjo's inquiry as I responded to where the poster was. You know that to bring the contents of a pm to the board is against the rules, don't you? I think you are aware of everything that transpired in those, imho, wicked, vile, reprehensible, calloused and mean spirited posts and are well aware of why the poster chose to leave. Personally, I think she acted very much like a lady and I would offer her :rose::rose::rose::rose:. I think I need to be clear. I am not saying you brought the contents of a pm to the board. I am saying that, if I shared the contents of any, I would be breaking the rules.William, I didn't even remotely suggest that you bring a PM to the board. I've chosen to forget the time you revealed something on the board that I told you in PM as I'm sure it was inadvertant on your part.

Whether or not someone is acting like a lady is in the eye of the beholder. I'll leave it at that. :)

[William Anthony]

That is really TERRIBLE! Although I don't think it quite fair to judge the whole state of Texas. By the way I was born their - so watch yourself...we moved when I was only 3 so going back was kind of cool in my mind.:patriot:

Sorry, I missed this post. I do not down the whole state of Texas and I had some extremely good times in San Antonio, Austin, Kileen, Tyler, Taylor, Temple and Fort Worth. It is just that I decided it was not the place for me. MLK was killed on April 4, 1968 and I entered the service on April 22, 1968. You would not have liked me much then and believe me I have mellowed over the years.

[William Anthony]

William, I didn't even remotely suggest that you bring a PM to the board. I've chosen to forget the time you revealed something on the board that I told you in PM as I'm sure it was inadvertant on your part.

Whether or not someone is acting like a lady is in the eye of the beholder. I'll leave it at that. :)

I was not suggesting that you implied that but I wanted you to know that I wasn't going to acquiesce to that. I guess you were a lady, because I do not remember that. Now that I think on it, I do recall something to that effect but I do not think it was a matter of importance but, if it was, I have learned my lesson. We may disagree on what it means to be a lady. However, under the circumstances, I think the poster showed remarkable resolve and we can leave it at that, okay?

[weezer]

I lived in San Antonio for 2 years - was relocated there for work - I absolutely loved it. I only moved back because my releatives are here.

San Antonio is a wonderful, beautiful city with a very diverse population (permanent/visiting/military). We've just had our first cold snap of the season (although I'm sure the 40's isn't considered by the real cold weather folks as being cold -- LOL) but looks like Thanksgiving is going to be beautiful. Nothing as pretty as the night the Christmas lights are lit on the RiverWalk --

[Redmama]

Before anyone misunderstands, I am from the north. In the late seventies or early eighties I was on my way home when the axle on a car I had recently bought fell off. There was a motel a little bit of a walk away and a bar, just across the road and down in a hole. It looked like an old railroad station. Being lazy I opted for the bar. I was going to ask to use the phone. It got deathly quiet when I walked in. The juke box stopped playing. I don't know if the bartender had a button to shut it off. I saw everyone staring at me. I decided that I was not so lazy after all. :)

That's exactly how I felt when I went to school - I still suffer some shyness from that when encountering new people. I was daily pushed into lockers and pushed from chairs onto the floor - not allowed to get a drink - except for of course when MY HERO was there.

I wonder some days if I could find him - I would love to let him know that he allowed me to have at least some moments of peace.

[William Anthony]

San Antonio is beautiful and they often get visitors from nearby towns, who claim to live in San Antonio or they did when I was there. When I moved off post, I moved in with a girl, who swore she was from SA. We were going through her albums, when I saw a picture of an out house. I asked what part of SA had out houses and she laughed and said she was from Beaumont.

[William Anthony]

That's exactly how I felt when I went to school - I still suffer some shyness from that when encountering new people. I was daily pushed into lockers and pushed from chairs onto the floor - not allowed to get a drink - except for of course when MY HERO was there.

I wonder some days if I could find him - I would love to let him know that he allowed me to have at least some moments of peace.

yes, we are often lucky enough to meet someone, who helps us rise above our struggles. Oddly enough, it was someone form Pennsylvania and his wife, who made me remember what MLK's dream was. It was not that they intended to. It was just that they were who they were. I will make the story short. He laughed when I asked him if he thought he was Black and he said he was a man that liked what he liked. When I started through the line at a company picnic to get something to eat a corporal asked what I was going to eat. Before I could respond, my friend's wife said I was eating what everyone else was eating and she was fixing my plate. The corporal (E-4)asked my friend was he going to allow her to fix my plate and he asked are you going to tell her she can't. I am trying to locate them.

[Redmama]

yes, we are often lucky enough to meet someone, who helps us rise above our struggles. Oddly enough, it was someone form Pennsylvania and his wife, who made me remember what MLK's dream was. It was not that they intended to. It was just that they were who they were. I will make the story short. He laughed when I asked him if he thought he was Black and he said he was a man that liked what he liked. When I started through the line at a company picnic to get something to eat a corporal asked what I was going to eat. Before I could respond, my friend's wife said I was eating what everyone else was eating and she was fixing my plate. The corporal (E-4)asked my friend was he going to allow her to fix my plate and he asked are you going to tell her she can't. I am trying to locate them.

That's halarious - good for her.

[weezer]

That's exactly how I felt when I went to school - I still suffer some shyness from that when encountering new people. I was daily pushed into lockers and pushed from chairs onto the floor - not allowed to get a drink - except for of course when MY HERO was there.

I wonder some days if I could find him - I would love to let him know that he allowed me to have at least some moments of peace.

I envy you the hero -- I wonder if he knows the impact he had on your life?

[Redmama]

I envy you the hero -- I wonder if he knows the impact he had on your life?

I'm sure he doesn't - I'd love to tell him. He was as big as a football player - the 2nd half of my 8th grade year - I guess he put the word out - I was never hasseled again.

[tv]

Before anyone misunderstands, I am from the north. In the late seventies or early eighties I was on my way home when the axle on a car I had recently bought fell off. There was a motel a little bit of a walk away and a bar, just across the road and down in a hole. It looked like an old railroad station. Being lazy I opted for the bar. I was going to ask to use the phone. It got deathly quiet when I walked in. The juke box stopped playing. I don't know if the bartender had a button to shut it off. I saw everyone staring at me. I decided that I was not so lazy after all. :)

I've been in similar situations. I feel your pain. :)

[William Anthony]

I've been in similar situations. I feel your pain. :)

Again, you don't understand. I left before I felt pain. :)

[tv]

Again, you don't understand. I left before I felt pain. :)

I was talking more of mental pain. :)