Death row penpals

[Jules100]

I was wondering if any of you had death row penpals and if so what was it that made you decide to write to them . Do you believe that they are innocent, or did you write just to see if they would write back. Has anyone had any bad experiences with DR penpals
Hope you don't mind me asking and looking forward to hearing back from you

Jules
xoxoxox

[SUSYDAHMER]

yes i have a death row pen pal ,my first ,he is located in texas,livingstone,I began to write for curiosity,he is not a serial killer , I could never write one who commits heinous crimes.His first letter was very nice, well written.I'm waiting for the second letter :)

[Super Volcano]

yes i have a death row pen pal ,my first ,he is located in texas,livingstone,I began to write for curiosity,he is not a serial killer , I could never write one who commits heinous crimes.His first letter was very nice, well written.I'm waiting for the second letter :)

What was his crime that landed him on D.R?

[SUSYDAHMER]

dear volkano ,my pen pal killed a woman ,but He said not to have done it :no:

[Trucrimefan]

And how exactly does on go about finding and writing a death row penpal??

[wind149]

These guys are cons ladies and they might tell you that they totally innocent because they are gonna try to reel you in, they will at some point ask you for money or to advocate for them and then you guys will find out that they are sexual predators, serial killers, anyone on death row, did not just steal a car!!! I personally am against death row inmates being able to have pen pals because it is morally wrong, they killed to get there, they committed heinous crimes, they are usually totally beyond redemption and many women have fallen prey to them. Case in point. Jennifer Hyatt. She went to work at a Kentucky prison as a nurse, fell head over heads for a real loser POS who was on DR for murder and she married George Hyatt and he had a court date coming up on another charge and when the deputy was transferring him to the cruiser, she came on the scene blazing, she shot and killed the deputy!They only made it as far as OH, and had about 12 hours alone together before they were captured and now, she sits on death row herself, probably thinking that she is the dumbest broad on the planet and she had young children that now don't have a mother. And she ain't the only dumb broad out there and I just think that you ladies could surely find a better pen pal, one that is not incarcerated, there are church missionaries that write to people overseas, that to me would be better for sure!

And you probably think I am just talking out of my ass, but I worked in LE and I saw the harm that came out of inmates having pen pals, especially death row inmates and I feel nothing but contempt for anyone who has taken the life of an innocent child or woman, or man, I could give one crap less how lonely they are, I could give one crap less, that they blew their lives up, they chose their own destiny, they chose to rape and kill, they chose to murder somebody in cold blood over their car or their money, they chose to do drugs or drink and then kill. Another woman who I think is the dumbest yet is from MI where I am from and she had a good life. She was a church secretary, well respected in her town, she was married to a wonderful, hard-working man and has two daughters. Her church stupidly decides to write to DR inmates, feeling for them, and what does this woman do? Starts writing to a real POS scumbag who had raped and murdered a 5 year old girl and was sitting on DR in FL! She falls in love with this scum, leaves her family and moves to a trailer and she had lived in a half a million dollar home, near the prison and she is totally regardless of DNA evidence, convinced he is as innocent as a lamb, and he was a CSO before he raped and murdered the little girl, she has spent thousands of dollars trying to get him a new trial, and her own daughters have disowned her! She did not even come to her daughter's graduation or to see her youngest when she was going to the prom, her daughter wanted her to make her prom dress and because she had spent all her money on that scumbag, she did not have enough for a plane ticket to MI!!! This is disgusting! Even if she marries him which is her plan, they can never ever consummate their marriage, and they have limited visits because he is on DR and that is why she wants to marry him so she can see him more and this scumbag is disgustingly obese, bald, and he is a babyraping scumbag!!! He writes her love letters and she just swoons when she reads them, I puked while watching this on my TV!

So you ladies are grown ups, and you can do what ever you want to do, I just wanted to give you some advice, that even though you are writing to these men, keep in mind, they, are probably writing to other women, trying to con them too sending canteen money, trying to con you that they are as innocent as a lamb, and I would check them out before writing to any of them. They might tell you that they are not a rapist or a child killer, and you call the warden and then your world comes crashing down and you find out he raped and killed three women, or a child, as I said, no one is on death row for stealing a car! Also, they have all that time on their hands and can write letters that make you feel like you are superwoman, then like some of these naive, low self-esteemed women, they think that these men are theirs, that no other woman can have them, and nothing could be further from the truth! I just hope that you guys watch your backs, and don't fall for them, that is exactly what they want you to do and there are many, many men, out there that do not have a date with the executioner!!!

[susie31023]

These guys are cons ladies and they might tell you that they totally innocent because they are gonna try to reel you in, they will at some point ask you for money or to advocate for them and then you guys will find out that they are sexual predators, serial killers, anyone on death row, did not just steal a car!!! I personally am against death row inmates being able to have pen pals because it is morally wrong, they killed to get there, they committed heinous crimes, they are usually totally beyond redemption and many women have fallen prey to them. Case in point. Jennifer Hyatt. She went to work at a Kentucky prison as a nurse, fell head over heads for a real loser POS who was on DR for murder and she married George Hyatt and he had a court date coming up on another charge and when the deputy was transferring him to the cruiser, she came on the scene blazing, she shot and killed the deputy!They only made it as far as OH, and had about 12 hours alone together before they were captured and now, she sits on death row herself, probably thinking that she is the dumbest broad on the planet and she had young children that now don't have a mother. And she ain't the only dumb broad out there and I just think that you ladies could surely find a better pen pal, one that is not incarcerated, there are church missionaries that write to people overseas, that to me would be better for sure!

And you probably think I am just talking out of my ass, but I worked in LE and I saw the harm that came out of inmates having pen pals, especially death row inmates and I feel nothing but contempt for anyone who has taken the life of an innocent child or woman, or man, I could give one crap less how lonely they are, I could give one crap less, that they blew their lives up, they chose their own destiny, they chose to rape and kill, they chose to murder somebody in cold blood over their car or their money, they chose to do drugs or drink and then kill. Another woman who I think is the dumbest yet is from MI where I am from and she had a good life. She was a church secretary, well respected in her town, she was married to a wonderful, hard-working man and has two daughters. Her church stupidly decides to write to DR inmates, feeling for them, and what does this woman do? Starts writing to a real POS scumbag who had raped and murdered a 5 year old girl and was sitting on DR in FL! She falls in love with this scum, leaves her family and moves to a trailer and she had lived in a half a million dollar home, near the prison and she is totally regardless of DNA evidence, convinced he is as innocent as a lamb, and he was a CSO before he raped and murdered the little girl, she has spent thousands of dollars trying to get him a new trial, and her own daughters have disowned her! She did not even come to her daughter's graduation or to see her youngest when she was going to the prom, her daughter wanted her to make her prom dress and because she had spent all her money on that scumbag, she did not have enough for a plane ticket to MI!!! This is disgusting! Even if she marries him which is her plan, they can never ever consummate their marriage, and they have limited visits because he is on DR and that is why she wants to marry him so she can see him more and this scumbag is disgustingly obese, bald, and he is a babyraping scumbag!!! He writes her love letters and she just swoons when she reads them, I puked while watching this on my TV!

So you ladies are grown ups, and you can do what ever you want to do, I just wanted to give you some advice, that even though you are writing to these men, keep in mind, they, are probably writing to other women, trying to con them too sending canteen money, trying to con you that they are as innocent as a lamb, and I would check them out before writing to any of them. They might tell you that they are not a rapist or a child killer, and you call the warden and then your world comes crashing down and you find out he raped and killed three women, or a child, as I said, no one is on death row for stealing a car! Also, they have all that time on their hands and can write letters that make you feel like you are superwoman, then like some of these naive, low self-esteemed women, they think that these men are theirs, that no other woman can have them, and nothing could be further from the truth! I just hope that you guys watch your backs, and don't fall for them, that is exactly what they want you to do and there are many, many men, out there that do not have a date with the executioner!!!


Very well put Wind, Thank You:rose:~Suz

[grneyes]

Some do it for curiosity. Trying to find out what makes them tick. Some do it because they want information for a book or whatever. Some do it because they feel sorry for them. Some do it because they worship them. Some do it so they can sell the letters they get back on places like Ebay to people that collect serial killer memorabilia.

I would be too scared to do it I think. I'd be afraid they might escape or have friends on the outside that could get to me. :shrug:

[ranadelrio]

i agree with everything you said, wind.

if DR inmates need penpals, that's best left to their own family members who may be less likely to be taken in by any scam they could try to pull.

a friend tried to get me involved in a jail "ministry." i didn't,but i do know that the women ONLY visited female inmates and the men, men. seems to me that would be a good rule for penpals too, to keep things on the up-and-up.

[Amy]

It's been a few years, but I used to peruse the "personals" in the back of the GLOBE or the SUN tabloids, not that I was going to answer them, just curious as to what kind of people would place these ads. (Like, even "innocent" people in those ads were all telling the whole truth, lol) There were always a few from incarcerated fellows. IIRC, they mostly said they were innocent of their crimes. Or, they had "seen the light" and needed someone to help them thru the days til they had served their time. PUKE.

I think another type of woman that might go for being a penpal to a "bad guy" is someone who wants a shock factor to present to family and friends. Either someone who is rebellious or someone who is tired of being perceived as a Miss Goody Two Shoes.

[susie31023]

It's been a few years, but I used to peruse the "personals" in the back of the GLOBE or the SUN tabloids, not that I was going to answer them, just curious as to what kind of people would place these ads. (Like, even "innocent" people in those ads were all telling the whole truth, lol) There were always a few from incarcerated fellows. IIRC, they mostly said they were innocent of their crimes. Or, they had "seen the light" and needed someone to help them thru the days til they had served their time. PUKE.

I think another type of woman that might go for being a penpal to a "bad guy" is someone who wants a shock factor to present to family and friends. Either someone who is rebellious or someone who is tired of being perceived as a Miss Goody Two Shoes.

I couldn't agree with you more Amy. These women who correspond with killers are actually just trying to get attention in some way. I really don't buy their excuses that they just want to see what the killer will tell them, or that they are studying them, or that they can change them, etc. In my opinion they are just lowering themselves to the killers level. The shock value is really not worth lowering your own values for. imo

[wind149]

A Canadian bleeding heart group goes so far as to start web pages for scumbags on death row and some of the notorious ones are Scott Peterson and he gets letters by the boxful and I find it reprehensible! The group feels for these mutts, thinks they should not be lonely and of course Canada is against the DP and my feeling is this, you do what you want to do with your rapists and killers and we do what we want with ours and don't meddle or start these web sites for DR pen pals. Of course Peterson can't answer e-mails personally, so they send him boxes of the e-mails and this is wrong! He murdered his wife and unborn child and IMO he should not be breathing right now never mind reading love letters from desperate crazy women!!! Look at Doreen, Ramirez's blushing bride! Lots of women used to think he was hot, so she lords it over the other sick puppies by marrying him and that is disgusting! As I said on his thread, he gets 3 hot meals a day, he gets cable color TV in his cell, he gets visits from her three times a week, he can bask in the sun getting a tan, he has it made and this POS murdered 14 people in cold blood, he has been locked up for 20 years and still has appeals left, so he does not have a date with the executioner yet and this pisses me off! The taxpayers have shelled out big bucks to keep him breathing for the last 20 years, and I truly feel I will be in my grave before they execute Scott, because I am 50 and I have seen where DR inmates are still sitting on death row as early as 1978 and are still there!!!

So no, I think DR inmates deserve nothing but the basics, one hot a day, a shower every 2 days, No cable color TV, no mail, no visits, no phone, they can just sit on their ass and wait for their execution and then be sent to hell where they belong, it galls me that CA lets them marry, I am surprised they don't get trailer visits with their families, they get everything else! At least TX and FL don't molly coddle them. They are locked down 23 hours, they have no contact with others, they have only B&W TV's no cable and no AC. They get only get 1 hot a day, they get corn flakes or pancakes for breakfast, they get a boloney sack lunch and then a hot for supper. They get limited visits and can only use the phone once a week, and mail is allowed during the week. So they sit and rot in those two states and these are the ones that execute them way quicker than other states. As for DR pen pals, who gives a crap they are lonely? I sure don't, I am sure their victim's family members are lonely without their loved ones and it pisses me off to no end when bleeders think only of the scumbag's and their feelings and rights, and if you feel for these scumbags, you are just as bad as them and I did notice that some states will not allow DR inmates to have pen pals, one woman in Iowa found out the scumbag that murdered her husband in cold blood for $25 and his car, was on a web-site and he described himself as a "gentle soul" and he terrified the man before he cut his throat, took his wallet, and then his car and this woman went to Congress and in Iowa, no pen pal sites can be up and running and she checks daily to make sure that none are posted as that damm group from Canada tried to post one for the scumbag too!! So I feel all pen pals sites should be pulled whether they are on-line, in newspapers, magazines, they already victimized, they don't need to keep doing it!

[Amy]

I do like Sheriff Joe's idea in is it AR or NV? PINK, to keep them docile. NO A/C, NO luxuries that are not afforded to our fighting men and women. And even none that our defenders do get. Their meals should be c-rations, period.

I do agree w/you. No penpals, no marriages, no web-sites. Nothing. I'm not even sure that they deserve the one hour a day out of their cells.

[ranadelrio]

I do like Sheriff Joe's idea in is it AR or NV? PINK, to keep them docile. NO A/C, NO luxuries that are not afforded to our fighting men and women. And even none that our defenders do get. Their meals should be c-rations, period.

I do agree w/you. No penpals, no marriages, no web-sites. Nothing. I'm not even sure that they deserve the one hour a day out of their cells.

sherrif joe is in AZ. i had wanted to say more but decided it would amount to hijacking this thread so i will just agree with your post and add that sherrif joe is no hero of mine, but for reasons unrelated to this subject.

[wind149]

Sheriff Joe is a hard-ass and he will be the first to tell you his methods are unorthodox, but he has the right idea! Why should taxpayers have to pay for their color TV and AC? He claims he feeds them for about 18 cents a meal and why should they get ice cream for dessert? The inmates also work on chain gangs doing whatever needs to be done and Maricopa County saves big bucks by having the inmates doing the work such as clearing land, cleaning ditches, and why not make them work instead of them sitting on their asses doing nothing but sucking up tax dollars? And yes, they have to wear pink underwear and my answer to this, if you don't want to live in a tent for years with 130 degree heat, you don't want to eat mystery meat, and you don't want to be part of a chain gang and wear pink undies, then get your act together and become a productive member of society and this is the message Sheriff Joe is trying to tell them and it is their fault if they come back for more!

They should be lucky they are not doing time in LA about 1950ish! The inmates for punishment would be flogged with a "prison snake" and also locked up in a wooden box for days in the heat, with only water and if they ran out, oh well. Anyone who tried to escape would get at least 50 lashes, and you could get them for just looking at a guard wrong, and to me corporal punishment would be a good thing. Child molesters in the Middle East will get flogged or castrated or have their penis just cut off too, I bet if child molesters in this country knew that what was coming to them, maybe there would not be any, if they knew they were gonna get whipped, maybe there would not be any, even DR doesn't faze some of them, like that scumbag Couey. And Sheriff Joe does not allow any prison pen pals either! They are there for punishment, not entertainment!

[ranadelrio]

[QUOTE=wind149;9135802]Sheriff Joe is a hard-ass and he will be the first to tell you his methods are unorthodox, but he has the right idea! Why should taxpayers have to pay for their color TV and AC? He claims he feeds them for about 18 cents a meal and why should they get ice cream for dessert? The inmates also work on chain gangs doing whatever needs to be done and Maricopa County saves big bucks by having the inmates doing the work such as clearing land, cleaning ditches, and why not make them work instead of them sitting on their asses doing nothing but sucking up tax dollars? And yes, they have to wear pink underwear and my answer to this, if you don't want to live in a tent for years with 130 degree heat, you don't want to eat mystery meat, and you don't want to be part of a chain gang and wear pink undies, then get your act together and become a productive member of society and this is the message Sheriff Joe is trying to tell them and it is their fault if they come back for more!

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yes, i don't have a problem with this. as i stated in my earlier post, the problems i have with him are not related to anything relevant to the issues in this thread. BUT here we're talking about people already convicted of a crime. it's in our best interest not only to find ways to ease the burden on taxpayers in terms of the cost of supporting those in the penal system but also to let offenders know that it's no longer just "three hots and a cot."

[Grave Chaser]

I'm going to jump on the bandwagon and agree with everything everyone has said. Why make life comfortable for these guy/gals? Did they make death any more comfortable for the victims or their families? Noooooooo.

[JenniferF]

I wouldn't want to have a pen pal, a stranger, on death row (or locked away in prison for that matter). I figure if I really want to provide some sort of comfort to a condemned person, or to find out what it's like on death row, I have other options (books, prison volunteer programs, etc). Because I wouldn't know this person anyway and would most likely never meet them, it would just be a strange sort of "relationship".

That being said, I once had a pen-pal in a maximum-security prison but it was someone I met while in the prison as part of a team shooting a documentary project for a class. So I sort-of 'knew' her. It was very interesting corresponding with her and I'm very glad I did.

[slynn14]

I was going to write to the serial killer that killed my friend in high school, by the time I got the nerve to sit down and write the letter, he was going to be be executed.
He was a huge advocate of abolishing the dp, that was the main reason of me wanting to write to him.
I don't find the urge to find out what makes them tick, they are sick in every way, and most of these inmates that are on death row are going to tell you what they want you to hear and that they are all innocent, it's pathetic and sad at the same time.

[Amy]

I was going to write to the serial killer that killed my friend in high school, by the time I got the nerve to sit down and write the letter, he was going to be be executed.
He was a huge advocate of abolishing the dp, that was the main reason of me wanting to write to him.
I don't find the urge to find out what makes them tick, they are sick in every way, and most of these inmates that are on death row are going to tell you what they want you to hear and that they are all innocent, it's pathetic and sad at the same time.

Your friend was opposed to the DP, or the murderer was? Just curious, what would you have asked him?

May your friend rest in piece, and sorry you had to go thru such a horrible time.

[f0revery0urs]

See I would be interested in writing to someone on DR. I mean sure there are risks involved, but isn't there risks with everything? I would be interested to see how they justify their actions. I wouldn't want an ongoing thing with any of them, but I would be interested in a couple letters each way explaining why they did what they did, and hear what they think.

I mean I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to hear it because its interesting. I would never become a penpal and write letters about stuff going on in my life or anything, or even tell them anything about me. I'd just be interested in what they have to say for themselves. I dont know.

[Drumbum]

Regardless of guilt or innocence, sincerity or deception, it would be an awkward and emotionally trying situation for both involved in the correspondence. I have thought of writing a DR inmate, not a high profile inmate, but Citizen X. who snorted some Yahoo dust on his girlfriend's hip bone, stormed down to the local Zip with the intent to rob and ended up shooting the clerk in a panic. I realized that there were too many real possibilities such as a close friendship developing and my new friend's date with Grim Jim comes and he or she asks me to witness their execution. Now that's worst case and only one possibility. Could I do that? I don't think so. After reading Death at Midnight by Don Cabana, then meeting him in person, I know now that even a warden can reach out and he regretted doing so. His friendship with Connie Ray Evans changed his life forever. His story woke me up to the reality of the risks involved with befriending someone who may be put to death the next day.

In closing, the choice lies with you. If you decide to do it, great. Just do your homework and know what you may be getting into, because it may be far more than you can handle.

[Karin]

EXCELLENT POST DRUMMY! ;)

As some of you know, I corresponded with Richard Ramirez a few times. It was sort of an experiment and just curiosity. After a few letters, I got bored with it and never continued. One thing I did feel was that is was a waste of time. He did not tell me anything about himself that you couldn't find out on the internet. You could tell that he lives his life for the letters he gets and he gets more than most serial killers. It seemed to me that he was manipulating all of us who write to him and that he is very good at being a master manipulator...I chose not to write him again because I felt too guilty. It just didn't seem fair to the vicitims families to contribute to occupying his time and making his life easier to deal with. But, I am still glad I did it!

[slynn14]

Your friend was opposed to the DP, or the murderer was? Just curious, what would you have asked him?

May your friend rest in piece, and sorry you had to go thru such a horrible time.

The serial killer was opposed to the dp, I would have talked about his writings on abolishing the death penalty. I only read a few of his articles, I had a hard time locating his writings. I don't know what happen to his writings (other than the ones that were posted online).

Thanks, may Robin rest in peace.

[PhoenixTheory]

Yes he is a bad a__. We love him!!.

:beer:

All he wants is for the inmates to understand we are not fooling around. Our citizens are tired of being robbed or assaulted by punk idiots. So, if you do the crime in Arizona, then you better handle the time...and it will not be comfy. We hope that the stories of things he does on the tv.....will tell the teens growing into adulthood, that AZ is not a place to be bad.

About 2 years ago he did the funniest thing, an inmate wrote on the walls. So, they were given paint. The walls were painted pink, and baby stencils of bears and stuff to look like a nursery was stenciled on the wall, in baby blue paint. He simply said that if they wanted to act like a 2 yr old, then they can live in surroundings that were for a 2 year old.

He tell's them right out when they are unhappy about not being allowed condimens, or radio or tv and stuff.....that if they aren't happy..DON'T COME BACK.
You bet there is little sympathy to DR also. We just voted him back in office.

Not only is he great, he also sends officers to do imigration stuff. He says that he is an office of the court being a sherriff, and has the right, if the police are to lapse about it, and if the imigration dept isn't on the ball enough. The news is always going on about that lmao. The police get mad at him, and he announces in the news "then do your job, so I don't have to".

:patriot:

SHERRIFF JOE

[wind149]

He rocks! I even wrote him a letter telling him if I were to ever move to AZ I would love to work for him, it would be an honor!!! He might have unorthodox ways, but he has the right idea. If you make prison life comfy, like cable TV and fitness equipment, three hots and a cot, doing time does not faze them and 80% will come back whereas sleeping in a tent in the desert or being on a chain gang is not remotely fun and meals do suck, I saw him on a show one night where he said it cost 18 cents a meal compared to other prisons in AZ where it costs about $3 a meal and believe you me, it looked terrible but if you are hungry enough you will eat it. And the chain gangs save taxpayers big bucks! Why not make them work during their incarceration instead of sitting on their ass dreaming up ways to get past the guards, trying to find ways to getting high, watching cable, playing cards? And what cracks me up is the large pink sign that says Vacancy up on the watch tower and how cool is that that Joe put that up???

:beer:I watched a thing about the chain gangs last night on WE, this time it was women on the chain and it gets hotter than the halls of hell and they are out clearing ditches, got to suck big time, glad it ain't never gonna happen to me!!! I think he has the right idea. If you make them live just on the barest, they might not want to come back and will think twice before they suck a meth pipe or sell it. I worked for a Sheriff who also did not believe in wasting taxpayers dollars. We never had new cruisers, he would go to an auction and pick up cars for a couple of thousand, in fact, his was the oldest in the fleet, he did not feel he needed a fancy car with his name on it, we would apply for grant money as to asking taxpayers to pay for new equipment and the jail does not have cable TV or AC and that is the way it should be. Why should taxpayers have to pay for their amusements? Why should they have cable TV? They are in their for punishment and in some cases beyond redemption so they can stare at the four walls for all I give a crap!! I watched a special one night on WE and this prison which was in KY was a white collar joint where they even had a tennis court, cable, AC, exercise equipment, even the Net!!! They might not be hard core, but they are in there for white collar crimes, like they swindled people out of lots of money, or look at Martha Stewart and the Camp Cupcake she was at! I totally believe if you want to punish people and you don't want a revolving door of losers, then you make their incarceration a living hell such as bunking in a tent and working the chain, eating mystery meat, and digging ditches in 110 degree heat!!! More sheriff's should follow Joe's example. Our Sheriff here is a tool! I never see him out and about, hell, mine would direct traffic, visit with people at the local coffee shop, always mixing with the public, my foster father did the same, out there being seen, driving an old Lumina and this idiot here bought himself a fancy Dodge with all the bells and whistles, equipped with a Hemi, like he needs that, his name is huge on the side of the car and I think he spends all day in the office. The few times I had gone to the LE center, he was in his office and my Sheriff was rarely in his and I betcha Joe is not in his much either so my hat is off to Joe and so is my respect, I salute him!!!

[Amy]

I think the thing I most agree w/Sheriff Joe about is--the men and women fighting for our country, our freedom do not have nice beds, tv, ac, gourmet (or even decent) meals, and neither should the men and women who break the laws of our land--especially those who seem to have made it their life's career iinstead of getting a job to support him/herself and family. No remarks needed about the economy TODAY, because this has been going on whether the economy is up or down (people not wanting to work @ honest jobs.)

On Lou Dobbs tonight, there was a segment on someone (didn't catch who) that CA needs to release a bunch of prisoners because they are running out of money to keep them. I emailed Mr Dobbs to suggest that the overcrowding would certainly be diminished a great deal if the 600+ death row inmates were actually executed instead of taking up space and breathing air for 20+ years.

They also propose that, when a parole breaks parole, he is NOT sent back to prison, there should be "something else" they could do with them. Hey!!! I know--you break parole, you go see Sheriff Joe and see if HE can't convince you that a life of crime doesn't pay. Otherwise, send their sorry keisters back to prison---otherwise, why even HAVE a parole program if there aren't any consequences to breaking parole?

[wind149]

I could not have said that any better myself! I agree, our soldiers fighting for our country are sleeping in the open in tents or foxholes in 100 degree plus heat, living on MRE's, they do not not have any luxuries at all, maybe letters and care packages from family and volunteers who send stuff over there, I donated for our National Guard troop last year, I bought shampoo, liquid soap, razors, toothbrushes, stamps, writing tablets and pens and a few calling cards and donated my old cell phone to raise more money. I would not ever do that for any prisoner!!! Having worked in a prison, IMO they should get the barest of essentials, a breakfast,, sack lunch i.e. baloney sandwich, and 1 hot for dinner. No TV or radio in their cells, one shower every other day, and they work from sunup to sundown digging ditches, all hard labor jobs, and maybe one of these losers might decide to leave a life of crime behind.

Most prisons except for their death row inmates, nowadays have programs, like drug and alcohol counseling, job training, group therapy as well as individual, but I have seen where they just attend because they are forced to do so, not going there because they might learn something and these are losers that will come back till finally they become a three time loser and get 25-life as VT has the three strikes law and I think a lot of states are enacting that too. I think every state should have the DP why keep the babyrapers, women and child killers, serial killers alive till they die? It costs about $30,000 a year per inmate in VT doing a life sentence whereas if VT built a death chamber as they do have the DP, they ship their scumbags to IN, it would based on 12 years of appeals would cost about $18,000, you do the math!!

A revolving door on death row is the answer and I always want to puke when some do-gooder gets in my face for supporting the DP, they whine it is cruel and inhumane, yeah, till their daughter is kidnapped, raped and murdered, then they sing a different tune!! I have witnessed this first hand!! When I was in FL going to college in the early 80's a little girl came up missing. The mother was a big mouthed broad who protested about everything and anything, save the manatees, save the Keys, the DP is cruel and vicious, loved the camera and sadly, her daughter was found murdered in a swamp. They caught the POS who did it and right off she starts screaming to anyone who would listen that she wanted him to fry in the chair and I am thinking, what a hypocrite and I saw her at a rally at the mall and I could not resist going up to her and telling her that she was one, and I reminded her in front of about 200 people that before this happened she was against the DP so bad she would be the first one protesting in front of the prison hours before the execution and I said apparently it was not OK for some other grieving parent to want the scum that murdered their child to get the DP but just hunky for her???? You should have seen her squirm!!! A couple of other people said about the same and she hauled ass out that mall so fast she was on fire!!!

So I really have no use for people that throw the inhumane crap in my face, you try working in a prison and looking at these scumbags, not a care in the world, locked down for THEIR PROTECTION from other inmates, years of appeals, but in the end they do get theirs and you ought to hear them whine when the hour arrives and they are either belted in to a chair or strapped to a gurney and they usually have some bleeding heart defense attorney advocating on THEIR BEHALF, TO SPARE THEIR LIFE but the child they raped and murdered matter none to either one of them??? So what Joe has been doing is a good thing, he deserves a lot respect, he takes no crap from anyone especially some meth head with a record a mile long!