Random Discussions On The Case

[weezer]

Only 4 days from Nicole giving Orenthal back the birthday bracelet until he drafts the letter to the IRS? I hadn't realized those two events were that close together. Very telling. If Orenthal told someone that he was considering professional help, he must have felt himself unraveling. Too bad he didn't follow through & get the help, Nicole & Ron would still be alive

I noticed that too. There are several things that when put in chronological order really stick out -- stuff like, he runs into her at a restaurant where she is having a good time with friends and then he sneaks around her house peeping in the windows AND then rings the doorbell and runs like a little girl when he sees Nicole with another man. I'm telling you the man is a psychopath.

[socaldiva]

I noticed that too. There are several things that when put in chronological order really stick out -- stuff like, he runs into her at a restaurant where she is having a good time with friends and then he sneaks around her house peeping in the windows AND then rings the doorbell and runs like a little girl when he sees Nicole with another man. I'm telling you the man is a psychopath.

Ita, but I'd characterize him as a sociopath :tongue:

[martin II]

I thought the testimony on the subject of 'Joseph' and Nicole interesting and telling:

faye's testimony: “. . .Joseph told her the reason he was not dating Nicole was “He said he felt that it was better, that O.J. was too much in love with Nicole and had not let go of her yet. . .That he had heard about the stalkings, he had heard about what happened, you know, with Alessandro, the threats to Alessandro. O.J. made it very clear to everybody around that Nicole was, even though she was separated, she was not single, and the men that were around at that time were very well aware of it. It was as if enter at your own risk, you know. They all were very aware that O.J. Simpson was volatile, that he was angry, and that he felt that he owned Nicole and that they had no place.”

orenthal's testimony: “. . . I think on one instance we had two sort of altercations or arguments. One was—I think I inadvertently said something to a guy about her new boyfriend and I thought she had told the guy and evidently she didn't and she came to my son's kickball game and was upset with me that I had mentioned something to him. She had found a guy and she had come to me for advice about the guy, a guy named Joseph. And I assumed she had told this other guy, Keith, who she always said wasn't her boyfriend, just he was a friend, and I had inadvertently—when I was picking my son up and they drove up, I sort of gave him my condolences, Keith, and I didn't realize that she hadn't told him yet. So she came to the kickball game and was pretty upset with me about that. . .”

Was Nicole seeing Keith and Joseph at the same time?

[martin II]

fays depo.

Q. Did you testify yesterday that O.J. made innumerable phone calls to you for a period from October of 1993 until April of 1994?

MR. PETROCELLI: Well, beyond April.

Q. Or beyond that?

A. I testified that O.J. Simpson called me a lot, yes, I did.

Q. Was there any period of time, let's say, from October until April, that those calls became less frequent?

MR. PETROCELLI: You are -

MR. KELLY: I will object to the form of the question because I don't think she testified in terms of numbers. I think her testimony was something that they seemed to be nonstop day and night, in terms of context, of conversation, not numbers of times. I don't think that's a fair question .

MR. MARKS: Could you -

Q. Was O.J. calling you constantly during that period? Let me put it to you that way.

A. O.J. would call me typically when Nicole wasn't responding to what he wanted. That's when he would call me the most.

Q. Okay. And he would call you whether he was in town or out of town?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall how many times, roughly, that he called you - when he was living in New York during that period?

MR. KELLY: Can we have a time frame?

MR. LEONARD: Yes. October of 1993 to April of 1994.

A. I cannot recall exactly or even approximate how many times he called, to be quite honest with you.

Q. Do you think he called you a lot?

A. I'm sorry. I can only say that I wasn't keeping track of every single phone call that O.J. Simpson made. That would be impossible.

Q. So you - you are unable to give us any estimate of that? I am talking about the period that O.J. would have been in New York, which was roughly the football season, during that time period. You can't give us any estimate?

A. I can't estimate how many times he called me, no, I wasn't keeping track.

MR. PETROCELLI: Between Octoberof '93 to January of '94?

MR. LEONARD: Yeah, that's a good period.

A. I think it would be unrealistic to even try and recall something that is like that.

Q. Do you have a memory that he was calling you frequently during that time period? Let me ask you that.

MR. PETROCELLI: This is football season now.

MR. KELLY: This is the October '93, January of '94 -

MR. PETROCELLI: Yes, ending with the Super Bowl in Atlanta.

A. What is "frequently"?

Q. Say, more than once a week.

A. I really can't recall how many times. I'm sorry, really, I can't.

MR. PETROCELLI: You don't have to be apologetic for that. Just try your best.

Q. You testified yesterday that your best recollection was that there were two phone calls that O.J. made to you from Puerto Rico. Do you remember that?

A. Yes.

Q. In The Private Diary, at page 162, you describe getting calls day in and day out during that time period, and that's at page 162.

MR. MARKS: I am sorry, what time period are we?

MR. LEONARD: When O.J. was in Puerto Rico.

MR. PETROCELLI: Well, her testimony was that those two calls stood out in her mind, if you recall.

MR. LEONARD: That was not her testimony. That was not her testimony.

MR. PETROCELLI: This is argumentative. That is exactly why this is improper. But what is your question?

A. Where are - give me exactly where it is.

Q. On page 162, at the bottom. The last paragraph, it's not a complete paragraph. The first sentence. Were you - let me ask you this question: Were you describing the time period there that O.J. was in Puerto Rico?

A. This - this is very vague. It looks as I described that O.J. was calling Nicole. First of all, if you will look at the top of the page, during those two weeks, he was trying - pardon me. The next day O.J. phoned me again, started right away -

MR. KELLY: If I can make a suggestion, since we seem to be taking up the context, if we are going to address pages, I would like Ms. Resnick to just take a moment to read those two pages so she is clear what she is talking about because-

MR. LEONARD: Fine.

Q. First of all, read those pages, 161 and 162, and then I have a couple of questions for you. Maybe you should read 163, too.

A. Why did you want me to read 161?

Q. I want to make sure that I get a foundation for my question. I want to make sure that you have been able to read this so I can ask you some general questions.

A. I see. I see.

MR. MARKS: Okay?

THE WITNESS: I didn't finish this part. I am sorry.

MR. MARKS: Is there a particular question you would like to ask?

MR. LEONARD: Yeah.

Q. You were describing, in this particular portion of the book, a time period when O.J. was in Puerto Rico; is that correct?

A. Yes. And it goes on to - actually, at this part of the book I am describing right as we come back. It's mid-April 1994, and this is back at home, I swung into the Beverly Hills young matron routine, charity work, and it goes to the time where he was calling me - in fact, it describes two particular phone calls, which I recall, and from what I can see here - should you ask me the question -

Q. Yes. I think I better ask you the questions.

A. Okay.

Q. Is it true that O.J. was phoning you day in and day out, while he was in Puerto Rico?

A. It looks to me that this is a problem also, because if you will look at the very top, it says "I have been calling her every day." And then it says, "as O.J. phoned me day in and day out." I think that's a mistake on the editor's part, because my best recollection is I received two phone calls from O.J. and I had written about the content of those phone calls in this chapter.

[martin II]

FAYE HAVING PROBLEMS KEEPING THE LIES TOGEATHER.

Q. You testified yesterday about a telephone conversation you had with Nicole at approximately 9:00 p.m. on June 12th.

A. Yes.

Q. And you said that - you described - you were asked to describe what Nicole said to you. Do you remember that?

MR. MARKS: Is there a specific question about her that you would like to ask her?

MR. LEONARD: I'm getting to it.

Q. And you said in your testimony, when you were asked to describe that, that she told O.J. that she didn't want to be around him, or words to that effect. Do you remember that? That she didn't want him around. Do you remember that? This is a discussion that she had with O.J. at the recital.

A. Yes.

Q. In the book, when you describe that, you - and that's Private Diary, at page 225 - and you can take a look at that -

MR. PETROCELLI: It starts at page 221.

MR. LEONARD: Okay.

MR. PETROCELLI: It's actually a whole chapter. It's called "The Last Phone Call, June 12, 1994." What is your question so maybe she can look for that particular passage.

Q. Did you, when you described - in the book, you say that Nicole told you, in that conversation, that she told O.J. to **** off.

MR. PETROCELLI: At the recital?

MR. LEONARD: Right.

A. Yes.

Q. And that's what you say in the book?

MR. PETROCELLI: You are holding up Shattered.

MR. LEONARD: That's what you say in the book, right?

MR. PETROCELLI: You are really confusing the witness.

MR. MARKS: Everyone is laughing because you held up the wrong book. What is your specific question?

Q. Did you say that in the book?

MR. MARKS: Well, the book speaks for itself. Do you want to ask her what the conversation was about that?

Q. When you described the conversation yesterday, you didn't say that Nicole had told O.J. to **** off?

A. No, I did not say she had told him to **** off.

Q. Did she tell you that?

A Yes, she did.

Q. And yesterday you said that -

A. I used different wording.

Q. Yesterday you said that Nicole did not tell you where this conversation took place. Do you remember that?

A. I remember yesterday being very confused, at times, by you. You were back and forth with a lot of different things and it was very difficult for me to focus on what the questions were that you were asking me.

Q. Do you remember me asking you if Nicole told you where this conversation with O.J. took place, and your answer was no? Do you remember that?

A. My answer was no, that I don't remember where -

Q. No -

MR. PETROCELLI: Let her finish.

A. The conversation, where the last phone call took place?

Q. No. Do you remember me asking you yesterday -

MR. PETROCELLI: This is not a memory -

MR. MARKS: Why don't you ask her the question you would like to ask or repeat the question, whatever you would like.

Q. Did Nicole, in that last conversation, tell you where the discussion took place?

MR. KELLY: Between -

Q. Between O.J. and her at the recital?

MR. PETROCELLI: At the recital.

A. She said it was at the recital. She said that her family was around. I mean, that was - I mean, the importance, that I felt.

Q. Did she tell you that her family was with her when this happened?

MR. PETROCELLI: You mean, right there listening to the conversation?

MR. LEONARD: Yeah.

A. She said that her family was around, that her family was there at the recital, is what she said. She had also sat with her family.

Q. She didn't tell you exactly where the discussion took place, then, with O.J.?

MR. PETROCELLI: You mean -

MR. KELLY: Objection. Asked and answered.

MR. PETROCELLI: I think the problem here, Mr. Leonard, is what you mean by "exactly where." I mean, at the recital, a particular place, do you want to know where at the recital?

Q. Where at the recital? She didn't tell you that?

A. I don't think that's what I was focusing on.

MR. KELLY: Yes or no, if you could, Ms. Resnick.

A. Yesterday, when I was asked that question. Nicole had told me what was said at the recital, and that's the important information.

Q. You testified, I think, at the very beginning of today's session, that you recalled only one occasion where O.J. said to you that he would kill Nicole. Do you remember that?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. You say in Shattered, at page 4, that O.J. on several occasions - you say, "On several occasions, O.J. had told me hewould kill Nicole." That's what it says at page 4.

MR. MARKS: Let's just have a moment so the witness can look at the reference.

MR. PETROCELLI: Mr. Leonard, you picked up the wrong book again. That's why I was confused. Page 4. Where is that, Mr. Leonard?

MR. LEONARD: It's the first full paragraph.

MR. MARKS: All right. Do you have a question ?

Q. Did O.J. tell you on several occasions that he would kill Nicole?

A. No. I believe that that is an editing problem. I stated exactly in The Private Diary when he did say that he would kill her, and I said "several times he said," and I think this is "several occasions."

Q. So that's just another editing mistake?

A. Yes. I am sure it must be.

[William Anthony]

How did the one person qualified to diagnose Simpson's mental health, Dr. Lenore Walker, diagnose him?

[martin II]

Q. In this time frame, early May 1994, and in particular during the time of this conversation when Nicole told you that she would not see anyone until August, do you know whether she was, in fact, seeing anyone at that time?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. You now know, right?

A. I knew then, too.

Q. You knew even then? You have to answer audibly. Yes?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. And who was Nicole then seeing?

A. Nicole started seeing Marcus Allen in the end, right before she died, again.

Q. Right at the end. And how did you find that out?

A. I was told by Cynthia Shahian, by Cora Fishman, and one day I was driving past Nicole's house and I saw Marcus's car parked in front of her house.

Q. How did you know that was Marcus Allen's car?

A. I had seen his cars many times.

Q. Can you remember the make of the car that you saw, that you believe was Marcus Allen's car?

A. It was a black car.

Q. Did you ever discuss with Nicole that you believe that she was now seeing Marcus Allen?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. What did you say to her? First of all, did you talk to her in person or was that on the telephone, or both?

A. I called her on the telephone from my office and -

Q. And what did you say to her?

A. I saw the cars, I was on my way to the office, and I called her and I asked her if that was his car, and she said it was, reluctantly. And I told her that she had broken her deal and that I felt that she was setting herself up for murder.

Q. You told her that? You have to answer audibly.

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Did she acknowledge seeing Marcus Allen?

A. Yes, she did.

Q. Did she tell you why she was seeing him?

A. She said that she was no longer seeing O.J. and that she loved him.

Q. She loved whom?

A. Marcus.

Q. Was Marcus married at that time?

A. Yes, he was.

Q. Did you ever see Nicole and Marcus together during this time frame?

A. No, I did not.

Q. Do you know whether anyone else saw them together during this time frame?

A. I don't - I don't know.

Q. As best as you can recall, when was this conversation with Nicole in which you and she discussed her seeing Marcus Allen again?

A. It was right before Nicole was murdered, it was the last two weeks of her life.

Q. Now, at some point did you spend some days at Nicole's condo with her during this time frame?

A. Yes, l did.

Q. How many days did you spend there? Where you slept over, I mean.

MR. LEONARD: Which time frame are you talking about?

MR. PETROCELLI: This time frame, which is the last two weeks of Nicole's life.

MR. LEONARD: Okay.

A. In May, in the end of May I spent two days at her house, because Christian and I were having a fight. And right before Nicole died, on June 2nd or 3rd, I had, I was spending, I would say, three days, I had spent three days at Nicole's house.

Q. And then you, after those three days, went where?

A. I went and stayed at my girlfriend Kathy Harouche's house.

Q. And then, from there, you went -

A. I went back to Christian's house.

Q. And then, from there, you went -

A. To Exodus Recovery Center.

Q. Do you remember the date you entered Exodus?

A. June 9, 1994.

Q. When you slept over at Nicole's in early June and in late May, where did you sleep?

A. I slept on the sofa.

[tv]

do you not believe this post????

Originally Posted by martin II
tv
HC CONTRACT

SECTION 1 PARAGRAPH E.

States, "The publisher shall have the right to appoint the writer. Pablo fujventes is the writer"
Oj had no say in who the writer would be.

So what if he didn't? If Judith Regan had wanted the book bad enough and Simpson had really not wanted that writer she would have found another one just to keep the deal. I'm going to ask again -- do you have a link to Simpson not wanting Pablo Fenjves to ghost write the book?

[tv]

can you believe poor, ole orenthal's bad luck? my goodness, yet another conspiracy to make him look bad. :rolleyes:

Yes, now Judith Regan and Pablo Fenjves are in cahoots against him. As usual, lives are messed up when they get caught up in OJ Simpson's orbit. Didn't Judith Regan lose her job?

[tv]

Some have said Nicole did not cheat on oj when they were married."He was the only one cheating" The alessandro affair proves that wrong.They both cheated on each other.imo

They weren't married when she had the affair with Alessandro.

[martin II]

They weren't married when she had the affair with Alessandro.

I THINK THEY WERE
See fays testimonmy.

[martin II]

How did the one person qualified to diagnose Simpson's mental health, Dr. Lenore Walker, diagnose him?

If you ever need a hatched job done on anyone, CALL FAYE.SHE HAS EXPERTISE IN THAT. IMO

[tv]

I THINK THEY WERE
See fays testimonmy.

Faye's deposition: Nicole and Simpson weren't even dating --

Q. Okay. I would like to first talk a little bit about the period July of 1992 to April of 1993, before Nicole and O.J. began dating again .

A. Okay.

Q. During that period of time, do you know whether Nicole was dating any men?

A. Yes. I know she was dating men.

Q. Do you know who they were? Can you name them?

A. Yes.

Q. Please do so.

A. Nicole started seeing Alessandro, I do not know his last name

[tv]

He tried to make money off the story of the death of his son.

OJ Simpson wrote that disgusting book -- not Mr. Goldman. In order for Mr. Goldman to keep Simpson from profitting from the book any further he had to market the book. You can continue to trash the Goldmans but it doesn't change the facts.

[William Anthony]

If you ever need a hatched job done on anyone, CALL FAYE.SHE HAS EXPERTISE IN THAT. IMO

In Fairness to Ms. Resnick, she may have had her problems seeing the world as it actually existed.

[martin II]

OJ Simpson wrote that disgusting book -- not Mr. Goldman. In order for Mr. Goldman to keep Simpson from profitting from the book any further he had to market the book. You can continue to trash the Goldmans but it doesn't change the facts.

No one is trashing fred. you have continued to post your opinion about what a bad person oj was for writing the book. i am saying if true that extends to fred as he sold the book just as LBA intended to.imo

If fred had styood by the moral issue he wanted oj and HC to live by.HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME.

If he really thought the book should not see the light of day. after the judge gave him the book he could have just had a hugh barnfire with media present.
BUT HE DIDN'T because he wanted most of all to make money from the sale.imo Those are the facts.imo

[martin II]

In Fairness to Ms. Resnick, she may have had her problems seeing the world as it actually existed.

Agreat deal of what she testified under questioning by Petro was not included in her books.She was caught many times by defence lawyer fibbing. imo

[martin II]

In Fairness to Ms. Resnick, she may have had her problems seeing the world as it actually existed.

Kato told some fibbs but faye took fibbing to a all time high.imo

[martin II]

OJ Simpson wrote that disgusting book -- not Mr. Goldman. In order for Mr. Goldman to keep Simpson from profitting from the book any further he had to market the book. You can continue to trash the Goldmans but it doesn't change the facts.

If the book was disgusting when oj wrote it ,it was the exact same book when fred sold it.The book did not change.imo

[martin II]

Martin,

Very little of what Faye has said or wrote has been confirmed. It would be interesting to see that all the names that Faye tossed out, if these men were interviewed.

She lied so much on oj until maby she could not stop when it came to nicole.
i don't know why she tossed the names of those guys in or why she told Cora the other personal stuff on nicole. She could have relapsed when she wrote the book and gave her disposition.:shrug:

[martin II]

Martin,

Who testified to the stalkings? Where was all this evidence? Faye also said that Nicole saw Marcus that night or was going to. I wonder how she knew that?

GI

fAYE had long interviews with Clarke about what she said she knew about oj.
Wonder why clarke didn't make her testify?

[William Anthony]

If the book was disgusting when oj wrote it ,it was the exact same book when fred sold it.The book did not change.imo

You seem to be missing the point. It was alright for Mr. Goldman to profit from the book, albeit purportedly disgusting, just not Simpson. The interesting and correct thing, IMHO, is that no one seems to have profited from the book.

[martin II]

You seem to be missing the point. It was alright for Mr. Goldman to profit from the book, albeit purportedly disgusting, just not Simpson. The interesting and correct thing, IMHO, is that no one seems to have profited from the book.

After the civil trial judgement was given fred, ojs lawyer made a offer of something like 7-6 million settlement. Fred rejected the offer. Considering how difficult it has been to collect any decent amount from oj or from freds attempt to cash in big on the book.It has been one big failure.imo

[weezer]

SNIPPED***

1. . .JR lost her job after HC decided not to publish the book.. . .

2. . .JR initially had said the book was a hypothetical IF I HAD book. When she was fired by HC she and PF started saying it was a confession.

3. . .JR had claimed that the jews in her company was after her so HC closed Regan books down and she was fired.imo

1. judith regan was fired during the negotiations on the Mickey Mantle story.

2. In an account his publisher considers a confession and some media executives call revolting, O.J. Simpson plans a book and TV interview to discuss how, hypothetically, he could have killed his ex-wife and her friend.

3. judith regan filed lawsuit against News Corp for defamation and breach of contract.

"The lawsuit, which was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount, centered around alleged anti-Semitic remarks made by Regan that prompted her dismissal. In the settlement, News Corp. said, "After carefully considering the matter, we accept Ms. Regan's position that she did not say anything that was anti-Semitic in nature, and further believe that Ms. Regan is not anti-Semitic."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/04/judith-regan-sued-by-her-_n_89752.html

[martin II]

You seem to be missing the point. It was alright for Mr. Goldman to profit from the book, albeit purportedly disgusting, just not Simpson. The interesting and correct thing, IMHO, is that no one seems to have profited from the book.

It would have made sense for fred to have helped oj sell the book, or stand on the sidelines, collect and attatch the money. imo

[weezer]

No one is trashing fred. you have continued to post your opinion about what a bad person oj was for writing the book. i am saying if true that extends to fred as he sold the book just as LBA intended to.imo

If fred had styood by the moral issue he wanted oj and HC to live by.HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME.

If he really thought the book should not see the light of day. after the judge gave him the book he could have just had a hugh barnfire with media present.
BUT HE DIDN'T because he wanted most of all to make money from the sale.imo Those are the facts.imo

These are the facts!

". . .U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jay Cristol approved the division plan subject to the court's supervision, adding that the purchaser of the book rights "must promise the court it will maximize the sale of the asset. . ."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

[weezer]

After the civil trial judgement was given fred, ojs lawyer made a offer of something like 7-6 million settlement. Fred rejected the offer. Considering how difficult it has been to collect any decent amount from oj or from freds attempt to cash in big on the book.It has been one big failure.imo

link to statements about the settlement and Mr. Goldman rejecting any offer.

[martin II]

1. judith regan was fired during the negotiations on the Mickey Mantle story.

2. In an account his publisher considers a confession and some media executives call revolting, O.J. Simpson plans a book and TV interview to discuss how, hypothetically, he could have killed his ex-wife and her friend.

3. judith regan filed lawsuit against News Corp for defamation and breach of contract.

"The lawsuit, which was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount, centered around alleged anti-Semitic remarks made by Regan that prompted her dismissal. In the settlement, News Corp. said, "After carefully considering the matter, we accept Ms. Regan's position that she did not say anything that was anti-Semitic in nature, and further believe that Ms. Regan is not anti-Semitic."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/04/judith-regan-sued-by-her-_n_89752.html


When HC cancelled the book she was so pissed that she started a fight with HC. Then M Mantle fans and family complained when it became known Regan
had the Mantle book comming ripping him as a alcoholic and other bad behavior, that was the last straw but she was already in hot trouble because the oj book had caused so much bad publicity for HC. RM even tried to say he did not know anything about the HC oj contract.It was also her in company fight with the jewish company officers that cooked her goose.
She called them the jewish mafia or something like that. imo

She left ny for california when a hugh scandle was exposed involving the ex police commissioner of ny BK who she played the role of the other woman to as he was married.He was later charged with taking kickbacks from mafia constructions companies. Her name was in the midfdle so she skipped town.

She had a lot of history behind her.But she did get some cash from HC in her court action. imo

[Hipcheck]

link to statements about the settlement and Mr. Goldman rejecting any offer.

I won't hold my breath waiting.

[Hotwater]

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[tv]

These are the facts!

". . .U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jay Cristol approved the division plan subject to the court's supervision, adding that the purchaser of the book rights "must promise the court it will maximize the sale of the asset. . ."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

Thank you, weezer. :)

[Hotwater]

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[weezer]

When HC cancelled the book she was so pissed that she started a fight with HC. Then M Mantle fans and family complained when it became known Regan
had the Mantle book comming ripping him as a alcoholic and other bad behavior, that was the last straw but she was already in hot trouble because the oj book had caused so much bad publicity for HC. RM even tried to say he did not know anything about the HC oj contract.It was also her in company fight with the jewish company officers that cooked her goose.
She called them the jewish mafia or something like that. imo

She left ny for california when a hugh scandle was exposed involving the ex police commissioner of ny BK who she played the role of the other woman to as he was married.He was later charged with taking kickbacks from mafia constructions companies. Her name was in the midfdle so she skipped town.

She had a lot of history behind her.But she did get some cash from HC in her court action. imo

Although I'm unclear as to what you believe judith regan's private life has to do with this discussion, I take this as your apology and admitting to the board that your original post was both inaccurate and erroneous. thank you.

[weezer]

I won't hold my breath waiting.

I'm not but here's hoping the poster will heed the moderator's subsequent post regarding links. :beer:

[tv]

It would have made sense for fred to have helped oj sell the book, or stand on the sidelines, collect and attatch the money. imo

How was Mr. Goldman supposed to attach money that was funneled through Arnelle's phony corporation?

[weezer]

How was Mr. Goldman supposed to attach money that was funneled through Arnelle's phony corporation?

I'm afraid Mr. Goldman can't win with the NG's -- it's just a mindset with some folks. :shrug:

[tv]

I'm afraid Mr. Goldman can't win with the NG's -- it's just a mindset with some folks. :shrug:

I agree but the facts speak for themselves. You know what they say about that river in Egypt...;)

[martin II]

How was Mr. Goldman supposed to attach money that was funneled through Arnelle's phony corporation?

A lein to LBA against any money oj was to receive. At least they would know the source of income due oj in advance which they never had before. Remember the CA judges decision on that sports video. This time it would have beem very easy but fred let hate/anger get in the way of the money. imo
After the big fight to get the book, what did he get about$12,000 for himself.
makes no sense. imo

[martin II]

Thank you, weezer. :)

Correct. That order was to try to raise enough money to pay of all legal creditors including NBS estate but based on the books printed and sold i don't think they accomplished that. imo

[martin II]

Although I'm unclear as to what you believe judith regan's private life has to do with this discussion, I take this as your apology and admitting to the board that your original post was both inaccurate and erroneous. thank you.

You are still intitled to your opinions.I have no problem if you fail to understand reality. imo

[tv]

A lein to LBA against any money oj was to receive. At least they would know the source of income due oj in advance which they never had before. Remember the CA judges decision on that sports video. This time it would have beem very easy but fred let hate/anger get in the way of the money. imo
After the big fight to get the book, what did he get about$12,000 for himself.
makes no sense. imo

If you can't understand that Mr. Goldman really doesn't care about the money -- that the point is to make OJ Simpson pay for killing his son and to prevent OJ Simpson from profitting from it then I just don't know what to say to you so I'll just let this drop.

[martin II]

link to statements about the settlement and Mr. Goldman rejecting any offer.

Weezer
Ojs lawyer Gallanter comments on the settlement offer has been posted many time here since you were a poster. I dont understand how you missed that.imo

[weezer]

If you can't understand that Mr. Goldman really doesn't care about the money -- that the point is to make OJ Simpson pay for killing his son and to prevent OJ Simpson from profitting from it then I just don't know what to say to you so I'll just let this drop.

:beer::beer:

[tv]

Weezer
Ojs lawyer Gallanter comments on the settlement offer has been posted many time here since you were a poster. I dont understand how you missed that.imo

Is this the same Gallanter that didn't know there was a book in the works when it was being written?

[martin II]

Although I'm unclear as to what you believe judith regan's private life has to do with this discussion, I take this as your apology and admitting to the board that your original post was both inaccurate and erroneous. thank you.

It is not what i believe it is what was reported in at least three MAJOR u.s. print media about JR. Just as you believe ojs fathers sexual orientation and oj suffering from rickets and his teenage years as a gang member is important for you to get people to understand your viewpoint, i think JDS history is important to understand who she was and how her relationship at HC turned ugly and the real reason she was fired.I cannot help if you dissagree with the information but it is what it is. iomo

[martin II]

Is this the same Gallanter that didn't know there was a book in the works when it was being written?

Absolutely and he and another lawyer are the ones that made the offer.I have a strange feeling you have read this previously.imo

[martin II]

If you can't understand that Mr. Goldman really doesn't care about the money -- that the point is to make OJ Simpson pay for killing his son and to prevent OJ Simpson from profitting from it then I just don't know what to say to you so I'll just let this drop.

Well IF THIS IS TRUE then just give the money to Denise Brown. this way he would not have the problem of spending DIRTY MONEY on himself.imo

hahaha

[martin II]

I agree but the facts speak for themselves. You know what they say about that river in Egypt...;)

That it flows up?

[William Anthony]

Well IF THIS IS TRUE then just give the money to Denise Brown. this way he would not have the problem of spending DIRTY MONEY on himself.imo

hahaha

This is from the link provided and I find it hard to reconcile the statement in the link to the fact that Mr. Goldman didn't care about the money.

'After plans to publish the account were scrapped and the book's publisher was fired, Goldman changed his mind and said he..." Apparently, I did not copy all of it but, IIRC, it said "he wanted the bulk of the profits."

[weezer]

It is not what i believe it is what was reported in at least three MAJOR u.s. print media about JR. Just as you believe ojs fathers sexual orientation and oj suffering from rickets and his teenage years as a gang member is important for you to get people to understand your viewpoint, i think JDS history is important to understand who she was and how her relationship at HC turned ugly and the real reason she was fired.I cannot help if you dissagree with the information but it is what it is. iomo

I don't know who 'JDS' is but you go for it if it makes you feel better. The FACTS are that judith regan filed a lawsuit against her former employer and won. To continue to post inaccurate and erroneous information on the board is wrong. Maybe we can get the moderator to weigh in on this?

[William Anthony]

If it wasn't about the money, then why not be satisfied with the verdict in the socio political production and the commonly incorrectly held belief that the civil verdict found Simpson guilty of the murders?

[weezer]

Weezer
Ojs lawyer Gallanter comments on the settlement offer has been posted many time here since you were a poster. I dont understand how you missed that.imo

you do understand that 'gallanter' was not orenthal's attorney for the civil trial, right? I am requesting a link to your statements that there was an offer of 6-7 million and that Mr. Goldman turned it down.

[William Anthony]

I am requesting for the umpteenth time a link to the pigeon-toed shoe prints allegedly found at Bundy.

[martin II]

I don't know who 'JDS' is but you go for it if it makes you feel better. The FACTS are that judith regan filed a lawsuit against her former employer and won. To continue to post inaccurate and erroneous information on the board is wrong. Maybe we can get the moderator to weigh in on this?

Sorry

JR

Again you make untrue accusations when information is posted that you dissagree with. Judith Regans history of the oj book.The M.M. book, her story in New York, and the reasons she began to have problems at Regan books was well reported in The N. Y.Daily News,The NY Post and the N Y TIMES and many other national print media.

I have posted my thoughts. if you dissagree so strongly with them you have options. Ignore my post or report it to the moderator.
But i refuse to be drawn into some long standing argument with you on what i post just because you dont like the contents.
Threats are against the rule also.:seeya:

[martin II]

you do understand that 'gallanter' was not orenthal's attorney for the civil trial, right? I am requesting a link to your statements that there was an offer of 6-7 million and that Mr. Goldman turned it down.

I have never posted that Gallanter was ojs lawyer in the criminal or civil trial.
A few post back to another poster i have posted that the reported settlement offer was posted on the oj thread many time and discussed by almost all posted that were posting at that time.

Posters have requested links to support your oj was pigeon toed post many times only to receive no resonse. imo

[martin II]

GI
After reading more of fays testimony and her sessions with Clarke, i think the only reason Clarke did not force her to testify was that she didn't believe fays story was true. IMO

[GreenIce]

GI

fAYE had long interviews with Clarke about what she said she knew about oj.
Wonder why clarke didn't make her testify?

Martin,

Clark said something that makes a lot of sense. While she was upset with Faye about her book, Clark said she understood why she did it. That the book was really a matter of survivial on Faye's part. If Faye was murdered, then of course it would Simpson who had done it or had it done.

However, that makes no sense. There is no evidence to even suggest that Simpson wielded that type of power. If he did, why not use that power to have Nicole killed and keep his hands clean?

All the break ins, all the stealing of files and threats against witnesses makes no sense if Simpson is the killer.

I think by the time Clark finally got a shot at Faye, it was too late, they already made the rounds in the media. She knew it was over because she helped VA write the first search warrant.

What is interesting is that Clark and Darden and other authors have said that much of what Faye wrote was true, so if it was, where these other witnesses in the trials?

[William Anthony]

Martin,

Clark said something that makes a lot of sense. While she was upset with Faye about her book, Clark said she understood why she did it. That the book was really a matter of survivial on Faye's part. If Faye was murdered, then of course it would Simpson who had done it or had it done.

However, that makes no sense. There is no evidence to even suggest that Simpson wielded that type of power. If he did, why not use that power to have Nicole killed and keep his hands clean?

All the break ins, all the stealing of files and threats against witnesses makes no sense if Simpson is the killer.

I think by the time Clark finally got a shot at Faye, it was too late, they already made the rounds in the media. She knew it was over because she helped VA write the first search warrant.

What is interesting is that Clark and Darden and other authors have said that much of what Faye wrote was true, so if it was, where these other witnesses in the trials?

GreenIce,

Conversely, much of it would be untrue. I think people tend to believe they know what is true or not based on what they tend to believe.

[martin II]

Why was Judith Regan fired and who fired her.

In 29 years at Random House, Friedman rose to become second-in-command after, by her own account, pioneering the modern book tour, including for cookbook author Julia Child. She later promoted authors like Michael Crichton (who would follow her to HarperColins).

Murdoch's News Corp. hired Friedman away from Random House to head HarperCollins in 1997, when the company was struggling. She doubled HarperCollins' profits within a few years, according to a 2007 article in New York magazine by Vanessa Grigoriadis. Friedman is credited with aggressively and creatively promoting a stable of authors that came to include Crichton, Michael Chabon, Doris Lessing and Barbara Kingsolver, but her success was also thanks in no small part to strong performance by Regan and her largely autonomous imprint.

Regan was, by most accounts, even brassier than Friedman, and more confrontational. She became a rival, including for attention and approval from Murdoch. By the time a scandal arose over a Regan-overseen OJ Simpson book in 2006, Friedman had quietly "been waiting to fire Judith," Michael Wolff wrote in Vanity Fair last year. When she finally did so, she checked with Murdoch, but badly fumbled things. Grigoriadis wrote:

Murdoch sat in the VIP section in the balcony above Europe. As it turns out, he didn’t know that Friedman was telling people Regan was fired—because he wasn’t even aware that she had been fired. He certainly hadn’t expected Friedman to fire her that night, before the holiday party. Although a News Corp. spokesperson denies it, some in the company are certain that Friedman misinterpreted their conversation—Murdoch had given his okay to fire her at some undetermined point in the future. But once it had been done, there was no turning back.

http://gawker.com/5013367/harpercollins-chief-was-aggressive-awkward

[weezer]

still not sure what judith regan's personal life has to do with the inaccurate, erroneous post but just so we're sure that we have the facts:

Judith Regan Lawsuit Settled Is Settled
Jan 25 02:53 PM US/Eastern
By HILLEL ITALIE
AP National Writer

Regan Files $100M Suit Against Publisher

NEW YORK (AP) - The war is over: Judith Regan, the publisher fired in the wake of her efforts to release O.J. Simpson's hypothetical "confession," has settled her $100 million lawsuit with Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.
"The parties are pleased that they have reached an equitable, confidential settlement, with no admission of liability by any party," according to a joint statement issued Friday. . .

. . ."After carefully considering the matter, we accept Ms. Regan's position that she did not say anything that was anti-Semitic in nature, and further believe that Ms. Regan is not anti-Semitic," News Corp. said Friday. . ."

[tv]

still not sure what judith regan's personal life has to do with the inaccurate, erroneous post but just so we're sure that we have the facts:

Judith Regan Lawsuit Settled Is Settled
Jan 25 02:53 PM US/Eastern
By HILLEL ITALIE
AP National Writer

Regan Files $100M Suit Against Publisher

NEW YORK (AP) - The war is over: Judith Regan, the publisher fired in the wake of her efforts to release O.J. Simpson's hypothetical "confession," has settled her $100 million lawsuit with Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.
"The parties are pleased that they have reached an equitable, confidential settlement, with no admission of liability by any party," according to a joint statement issued Friday. . .

. . ."After carefully considering the matter, we accept Ms. Regan's position that she did not say anything that was anti-Semitic in nature, and further believe that Ms. Regan is not anti-Semitic," News Corp. said Friday. . ."

It's clear that Judith Regan prevailed in having her name cleared by News Corp. I think it's funny that she was the greatest for agreeing to help OJ Simpson earn money off of his tacky story but as soon as the deal soured some people want to blame her. Poor Juice -- it's him against the world.

[martin II]

O.J. book debacle stings Judith Regan again
By
Teresa Budasi
on March 4, 2008 10:40 AM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)

NEW YORK — Judith Regan, the publisher fired amid the controversy of releasing O.J. Simpson’s hypothetical confession If I Did It, was sued for legal fees Monday by the firm that prepared her lawsuit against HarperCollins LLC.
In court papers, Dreier LLP says Regan reneged on a retainer agreement she signed and then fired the law firm ‘‘in a transparent and calculated effort to avoid paying petitioners the agreed-upon fee.’’

After Dreier prepared and filed the lawsuit, court papers say, Regan hired Los Angeles lawyer Bertram Fields to negotiate a settlement with HarperCollins, which had fired her. The terms were not disclosed.

After the settlement was final, Regan fired Dreier and refused to pay the firm, court papers say.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bookroom/2008/03/oj_book_debacle_stings_judith.html

[weezer]

I don't 'want to be rude but maybe we can leave judith regan's private life and other business dealings alone and get back to poor, ole orenthal

[tv]

I don't 'want to be rude but maybe we can leave judith regan's private life and other business dealings alone and get back to poor, ole orenthal

Come on weezer, it's all about making everyone but Simpson look bad. ;)

[weezer]

Come on weezer, it's all about making everyone but Simpson look bad. ;)

good grief! the NG's would eat their own if it came to protecting orenthal. . .what's up with that?

[tv]

good grief! the NG's would eat their own if it came to protecting orenthal. . .what's up with that?

I don't know...everyone is a liar except OJ Simpson...if they can't be accused of lying then their personal life is dragged over the coals. If there's nothing in their personal life then stuff is made up...it's amazing.

[martin II]

I assume JD is judith regan. martin, I'm reporting this post only because you have been given link after link that shows the statements judith regan was accused of making did not happen and the people who said she did had to pay for their little game with money and public apologies.

You may choose your sources and i will choose mine.The moderator will decide if i have done what you accused me of doing.


I made the correction

JD was a typo

I was speaking of JR

[Hotwater]

If you can't debate Judith Regan and her connection to OJ in a civil manner then you need to take a break or I'll give you one. I don't want to see anymore comments about the Jewish Mafia, Judith Regan and anti Jewish comments, etc... This has nothing to do with OJ, does it?

Back to the OJ discussion please.

HW

[Its just me]

I don't know...everyone is a liar except OJ Simpson...if they can't be accused of lying then their personal life is dragged over the coals. If there's nothing in their personal life then stuff is made up...it's amazing.


I've "never" seen anything like it. Come on....it's common knowledge people do lie.....but it's common sense that every single person is NOT lying except OJ Simpson when it's a proven fact he lied "under oath".

This is what OJ's Ghost writer thinks of OJ. You remember the one that wrote the murder chapter without OJ's input. ;)

http://news.superiorpics.com/2007/09/21/SIMPSON_GHOST_WRITER___I_STILL_THINK_HE_S_A_MURDER ER_.html


SIMPSON GHOST WRITER: 'I STILL THINK HE'S A MURDERER'
The ghost writer who helped pen O.J. SIMPSON's shocking new book IF I DID IT has revealed he thinks the NAKED GUN star really did kill his wife.

Simpson was acquitted of killing his wife Nicole and her friend Ron Goldman in 1994, but has been dogged by reports he literally got away with murder ever since.

And his controversial book, which has just been released after Goldman's family fought to stop Simpson cashing in on it last year (06), is a hypothetical account of what the former American football star would have done if he was responsible for the double murder.

Now, co-writer Pablo Fenjves admits he told Simpson he always believed he was responsible for the murders when they first sat down to write If I Did It.

He says, "He knew that I thought he was guilty."

And, working with Simpson on the book for much of 2006, Fenjves admits he's far from surprised about his writing partner's latest run-in with the law in Las Vegas, where he's accused of staging an armed robbery in a hotel suite.

The writer says, "It really doesn't surprise me that he thinks the rules do not apply to him."

[martin II]

Moderator
My last post was made before i saw your last direction.

I researched the subject and made post to show that i was not posting untrue information as i was accused of doing.

I am finished unless some poster wants to discuss it in a civil manner without making untrue accusation about me.

[martin II]

I wonder why a fine upstanding citizen like OJ Simpson would want to be associated with such a raging anti-semite as Judith Regan? Shocking. :eek:

TV
Remember Oj said the reason he accepted the HC contract was for the money. He needed the money, they paid him more than $1,000,000. He said he was surprised they offered that amount but he was happy to take their money.As most would imo

[tv]

I've "never" seen anything like it. Come on....it's common knowledge people do lie.....but it's common sense that every single person is NOT lying except OJ Simpson when it's a proven fact he lied "under oath".

This is what OJ's Ghost writer thinks of OJ. You remember the one that wrote the murder chapter without OJ's input. ;)

http://news.superiorpics.com/2007/09/21/SIMPSON_GHOST_WRITER___I_STILL_THINK_HE_S_A_MURDER ER_.html


SIMPSON GHOST WRITER: 'I STILL THINK HE'S A MURDERER'
The ghost writer who helped pen O.J. SIMPSON's shocking new book IF I DID IT has revealed he thinks the NAKED GUN star really did kill his wife.

Simpson was acquitted of killing his wife Nicole and her friend Ron Goldman in 1994, but has been dogged by reports he literally got away with murder ever since.

And his controversial book, which has just been released after Goldman's family fought to stop Simpson cashing in on it last year (06), is a hypothetical account of what the former American football star would have done if he was responsible for the double murder.

Now, co-writer Pablo Fenjves admits he told Simpson he always believed he was responsible for the murders when they first sat down to write If I Did It.

He says, "He knew that I thought he was guilty."

And, working with Simpson on the book for much of 2006, Fenjves admits he's far from surprised about his writing partner's latest run-in with the law in Las Vegas, where he's accused of staging an armed robbery in a hotel suite.

The writer says, "It really doesn't surprise me that he thinks the rules do not apply to him."

The law of averages would tell us that it's not possible that everyone but Oj Simpson is lying. From everything I've read Pablo Fenjves was up front with Simpson about thinking he was guilty and that they got along while working on the book. I haven't seen a link to Simpson being forced to work with Fenjves and I've stopped asking.

[weezer]

I've "never" seen anything like it. Come on....it's common knowledge people do lie.....but it's common sense that every single person is NOT lying except OJ Simpson when it's a proven fact he lied "under oath".

This is what OJ's Ghost writer thinks of OJ. You remember the one that wrote the murder chapter without OJ's input. ;)

http://news.superiorpics.com/2007/09/21/SIMPSON_GHOST_WRITER___I_STILL_THINK_HE_S_A_MURDER ER_.html


SIMPSON GHOST WRITER: 'I STILL THINK HE'S A MURDERER'
The ghost writer who helped pen O.J. SIMPSON's shocking new book IF I DID IT has revealed he thinks the NAKED GUN star really did kill his wife.

Simpson was acquitted of killing his wife Nicole and her friend Ron Goldman in 1994, but has been dogged by reports he literally got away with murder ever since.

And his controversial book, which has just been released after Goldman's family fought to stop Simpson cashing in on it last year (06), is a hypothetical account of what the former American football star would have done if he was responsible for the double murder.

Now, co-writer Pablo Fenjves admits he told Simpson he always believed he was responsible for the murders when they first sat down to write If I Did It.

He says, "He knew that I thought he was guilty."

And, working with Simpson on the book for much of 2006, Fenjves admits he's far from surprised about his writing partner's latest run-in with the law in Las Vegas, where he's accused of staging an armed robbery in a hotel suite.

The writer says, "It really doesn't surprise me that he thinks the rules do not apply to him."

surely you've figured out by now that for the NG's, everyone BUT orenthal lied and EVERYONE conspired against him. ;)

[tv]

TV
Remember Oj said the reason he accepted the HC contract was for the money. He needed the money, they paid him more than $1,000,000. He said he was surprised they offered that amount but he was happy to take their money.As most would imo

Except for your last sentence I don't doubt this for a second. ;)

[Its just me]

The law of averages would tell us that it's not possible that everyone but Oj Simpson is lying. From everything I've read Pablo Fenjves was up front with Simpson about thinking he was guilty and that they got along while working on the book. I haven't seen a link to Simpson being forced to work with Fenjves and I've stopped asking.

I couldn't find anything related to OJ being forced to work with Fenjves....actually from what I've read about OJ I don't OJ could be forced to do much until he was forced to stay in jail. :shrug: I may have missed something that states different.

Fenjves stated he worked with OJ for most of "06 working on the book....You can get to know someone pretty good working with them one on one for almost a year. I personally don't think Fenjves in off base with his thoughts concerning OJ.

[tv]

I couldn't find anything related to OJ being forced to work with Fenjves....actually from what I've read about OJ I don't OJ could be forced to do much until he was forced to stay in jail. :shrug: I may have missed something that states different.

Fenjves stated he worked with OJ for most of "06 working on the book....You can get to know someone pretty good working with them one on one for almost a year. I personally don't think Fenjves in off base with his thoughts concerning OJ.

I don't think he's off-base either. In fact, imo there is a lot he's not saying that he could. I've looked for something about him not wanting to work with Fenjves and can't find it. I think if he had objected on the basis of Fenjves being involved as a witness in the criminal case that would have been a valid complaint but I see no evidence that he did that. I also agree that OJ Simpson (up until he was jailed) did whatever he wanted.

[martin II]

It's clear that Judith Regan prevailed in having her name cleared by News Corp. I think it's funny that she was the greatest for agreeing to help OJ Simpson earn money off of his tacky story but as soon as the deal soured some people want to blame her. Poor Juice -- it's him against the world.

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It is my opinion that JR put the oj book deal togeather to advance her career and to make many millions for the division of HC that she ran.She had no love or special interest in helping oj.She saw it as a good business deal for a hot excellant book to make money for her self and HC.

Oj knew this which is why he was smart enough to get his money before the first book was printed. When HC and JR fell out, oj was in Florida with over a million $

She was blamed and fired for several reasons which oj had no control of.imo

[tv]

surely you've figured out by now that for the NG's, everyone BUT orenthal lied and EVERYONE conspired against him. ;)

I have to try to remember that. It's just that I'm always surprised when someone with no reason to lie and a good reputation is automatically assumed to be lying just because it puts OJ Simpson in a bad light.

[Hotwater]

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[Its just me]

surely you've figured out by now that for the NG's, everyone BUT orenthal lied and EVERYONE conspired against him. ;)


LOL It's taken me awhile but yep I've come to that conclusion...thou it's still puzzling as to why that is about "everything" OJ has ever said or done.

[tv]

tv
It is my opinion that JR put the oj book deal togeather to advance her career and to make many millions for the division of HC that she ran.She had no love or special interest in helping oj.She saw it as a good business deal for a hot excellant book to make money for her self and HC.

Oj knew this which is why he was smart enough to get his money before the first book was printed. When HC and JR fell out, oj was in Florida with over a million $

She was blamed and fired for several reasons which oj had no control of.imo

What's wrong with wanting to advance your career or make money for the company you work for? It's called capitalism. As for 'a hot, excellent' book...nah. What little appeal the book had was just because people wanted to read OJ Simpson's confession. They didn't really care about the rest of it.

[martin II]

Except for your last sentence I don't doubt this for a second. ;)

Well, i believe that most people would accept $1,000,000 to write about their love affair with their ex. If the giver wanted to hire a writer to make up some nonsense and call it fiction or hypothetical, which is what HC ans JR said the book was, until she ran into trouble with he boss, no one would be care.imo
Some may pretend they would not accept but i believe they would. imo

[tv]

Well, i believe that most people would accept $1,000,000 to write about their love affair with their ex. If the giver wanted to hire a writer to make up some nonsense and call it fiction or hypothetical, which is what HC ans JR said the book was, until she ran into trouble with he boss, no one would be care.imo
Some may pretend they would not accept but i believe they would. imo

Love affair with an ex? That's a good way to sanitize what the book is about. He trashes Nicole, blames her for their problems and then includes a gory chapter on her death and Ron's. This is the woman that gave birth to two of his children. I don't see how this is acceptable by any stretch of the imagination.

[martin II]

What's wrong with wanting to advance your career or make money for the company you work for? It's called capitalism. As for 'a hot, excellent' book...nah. What little appeal the book had was just because people wanted to read OJ Simpson's confession. They didn't really care about the rest of it.

Look we dissagree.
HC did their research on the market value of the book and decided they would make a bundle. They don't put big money behind a DOG OF A BOOK. At lease not most of the time. RA and his fox people got in the way and developed public opinion against the book. I posted this above if you don't believe it.imo

[Its just me]

What's wrong with wanting to advance your career or make money for the company you work for? It's called capitalism. As for 'a hot, excellent' book...nah. What little appeal the book had was just because people wanted to read OJ Simpson's confession. They didn't really care about the rest of it.

Right....it's what working people do every day. I think the lack of sales shows the book was not such a hot item and neither was OJ. He continues to be in the news because he is in some kind of trouble. It's never anything Good he did.

[martin II]

Love affair with an ex? That's a good way to sanitize what the book is about. He trashes Nicole, blames her for their problems and then includes a gory chapter on her death and Ron's. This is the woman that gave birth to two of his children. I don't see how this is acceptable by any stretch of the imagination.

tv
obviously some did not see the book as you do.:cool:

[tv]

Look we dissagree.
HC did their research on the market value of the book and decided they would make a bundle. They don't put big money behind a DOG OF A BOOK. At lease not most of the time. RA and his fox people got in the way and developed public opinion against the book. I posted this above if you don't believe it.imo

FOX did the right thing in scraping the project -- they shouldn't have considered it in the first place. No one had to influence public opinion -- most normal people know that it was an outrageous, tasteless thing for him to do. I don't think you understand that the interest in the book was only about the confession chapter. The public was hoping that he was going to come clean.

[tv]

tv
obviously some did not see the book as you do.:cool:

I'd be willing to bet that most see the book as I do. Are you saying you think the book is okay?

[Its just me]

Love affair with an ex? That's a good way to sanitize what the book is about. He trashes Nicole, blames her for their problems and then includes a gory chapter on her death and Ron's. This is the woman that gave birth to two of his children. I don't see how this is acceptable by any stretch of the imagination.


It's not acceptable Period....and people didn't buy it. Contrary to what some believe the American people are not stupid.

[tv]

Right....it's what working people do every day. I think the lack of sales shows the book was not such a hot item and neither was OJ. He continues to be in the news because he is in some kind of trouble. It's never anything Good he did.

I think once people found out what he wrote in the murder chapter their curiosity was satisfied and they didn't want to spend money on something that didn't interest them.

[tv]

It's not acceptable Period....and people didn't buy it. Contrary to what some believe the American people are not stupid.

No, they're not stupid. I don't think the sales would have been as good as they were but some people were trying to help out Mr. Goldman.

[Its just me]

No, they're not stupid. I don't think the sales would have been as good as they were but some people were trying to help out Mr. Goldman.

That's most likely true.....The Goldman's had/has a lot of support from caring people.

[martin II]

What's wrong with wanting to advance your career or make money for the company you work for? It's called capitalism. As for 'a hot, excellent' book...nah. What little appeal the book had was just because people wanted to read OJ Simpson's confession. They didn't really care about the rest of it.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with JR selecting oj to do a book.Her job was to make money for herself and her company. What was wrong was for a group of people that did not like her selection to get togeather and destroy her dream by spending their money to prevent her from realizing the profits she had a right to earn from her own idea guaranteed to her by the constitution. In the end she lost her job and some of her career simply because of hatred by some of the subject she decided to promote. That is the shame of it all. :cool:

[martin II]

I'd be willing to bet that most see the book as I do. Are you saying you think the book is okay?

I agree with HC and JR. OJ had a right to write his book. He was a citizen and had rights to do commerce just as others did about him. i might say.:cool:
People do have rights of free speech you know.The constitution says so. Unless you think he didn't have that right.
i hope you are not forgetting the law does not say he was only allowed to write a book that you and some others would like.Or your approval was required.

[tv]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with JR selecting oj to do a book.Her job was to make money for herself and her company. What was wrong was for a group of people that did not like her selection to get togeather and destroy her dream by spending their money to prevent her from realizing the profits she had a right to earn from her own idea guaranteed to her by the constitution. In the end she lost her job and some of her career simply because of hatred by some of the subject she decided to promote. That is the shame of it all. :cool:

It's hard to believe this is the same woman you were trashing a few posts back. Good grief. :punch:

[martin II]

No, they're not stupid. I don't think the sales would have been as good as they were but some people were trying to help out Mr. Goldman.

HC would dissagree with you.Fred spent a lot of money to get the book so i think he though it would sell millions.At least that is what his lawyers said.But the second rate small publisher he hired to promote the book did not have HC muscle and it was a flop.Not to many were willing to plank down $24.00 to help him.

[Its just me]

FOX did the right thing in scraping the project -- they shouldn't have considered it in the first place. No one had to influence public opinion -- most normal people know that it was an outrageous, tasteless thing for him to do. I don't think you understand that the interest in the book was only about the confession chapter. The public was hoping that he was going to come clean.

If OJ was innocent why didn't he suggest to do a book on all the good things in his life with Nicole and do a chapter to expain why he was not guilty and use it to make a public plea for any information to catch the real killer. That might have been something people would have been interested in. IMHOO He didn't do anything besides If I Did It....is because he did do it and there is evidence that says the same.

[tv]

If OJ was innocent why didn't he suggest to do a book on all the good things in his life with Nicole and do a chapter to expain why he was not guilty and use it to make a public plea for any information to catch the real killer. That might have been something people would have been interested in. IMHOO He didn't do anything besides If I Did It....is because he did do it and the evidence proves it.

I agree, IJM. He doesn't want anyone to probe too deeply into the crime and the evidence because he knows he'll just come out looking guilty. He's had investigators offer to help him pro bono and he's not interested. That speaks loudly to me.

[martin II]

j

It's hard to believe this is the same woman you were trashing a few posts back. Good grief. :punch:

Some times you seem to get things mixed up when i post. Posting facts about JR problens at HC had nothing to do with what i see as her right to do her business.She was not the only hard a** at HC. But facts about her are still facts.imo

[tv]

I agree with HC and JR. OJ had a right to write his book. He was a citizen and had rights to do commerce just as others did about him. i might say.:cool:
People do have rights of free speech you know.The constitution says so. Unless you think he didn't have that right.
i hope you are not forgetting the law does not say he was only allowed to write a book that you and some others would like.Or your approval was required.

Sure, OJ Simpson had every legal right to write his murder story and then Fred Goldman had every right to legally take it away from him.

[martin II]

It's hard to believe this is the same woman you were trashing a few posts back. Good grief. :punch:

Posting facts is not terashing. When known facts about another person has been posted you automatically call trashing.

[tv]

Posting facts is not terashing. When known facts about another person has been posted you automatically call trashing.

martin, Hotwater asked us not to discuss Judith Regan regarding certain things. I don't want a vacation because of this so I'm letting it go.

[William Anthony]

I am reminded of the expression that "teeth and tongue sometimes fall out", as it pertains to the book called a confession and a love story. The one thing that wasn't promised is that the book would be a fairy tale in which the handsome athlete meets the beautiful fast food worker, sweeps her off her feet, marries her, moves her into a castle, they have two children and live happily ever after. It seems to me, not having read the book, that it could have been intended to portray a love affair gone bad through the trials, temptations and tribulations of life. It also may be a book in which one chapter was written in a sarcastic manner to show how ridiculous the idea is that the athlete would murder his love. The one thing we can be sure of is that the media and Mr. Goldman did what the could to turn the book into a confession, which may have been done to add to the monetary value of the sale of the book. Personally, if this is what capitalism is about, making something sensational in order to maximize profits, then I see nothing wrong with it.

[martin II]

Sure, OJ Simpson had every legal right to write his murder story and then Fred Goldman had every right to legally take it away from him.

I agree with that but you agree that fred also harmed JR effort to advance her career and make honest money for her company.As a woman this should cause you concern to see a sister prevented from doing her thing because of hate and anger.imo

[martin II]

I am reminded of the expression that "teeth and tongue sometimes fall out", as it pertains to the book called a confession and a love story. The one thing that wasn't promised is that the book would be a fairy tale in which the handsome athlete meets the beautiful fast food worker, sweeps her off her feet, marries her, moves her into a castle, they have two children and live happily ever after. It seems to me, not having read the book, that it could have been intended to portray a love affair gone bad through the trials, temptations and tribulations of life. It also may be a book in which one chapter was written in a sarcastic manner to show how ridiculous the idea is that the athlete would murder his love. The one thing we can be sure of is that the media and Mr. Goldman did what the could to turn the book into a confession, which may have been done to add to the monetary value of the sale of the book. Personally, if this is what capitalism is about, making something sensational in order to maximize profits, then I see nothing wrong with it.

very good william. i can agree with that.

[martin II]

I agree, IJM. He doesn't want anyone to probe too deeply into the crime and the evidence because he knows he'll just come out looking guilty. He's had investigators offer to help him pro bono and he's not interested. That speaks loudly to me.

To write a book about someone and not talk about their warts would be a lie and people would know no one is perfect although some believe nicole was.
There is no reason for oj to explain why he was not guilty as his defense lawyers had already done that in a court of law.OJ had moved on with his life.imo

[martin II]

No, they're not stupid. I don't think the sales would have been as good as they were but some people were trying to help out Mr. Goldman.

TV
Look at it this way. There are hate groups that write books all the time that do more harm to the country than ojs and JRS book could have possibly done.Have you ever seen FOX organize a public effort to stop publication of these books?

[tv]

I agree with that but you agree that fred also harmed JR effort to advance her career and make honest money for her company.As a woman this should cause you concern to see a sister prevented from doing her thing because of hate and anger.imo

First of all, I don't consider Judith Regan a sister. I have sisters and I have close friends I consider sisters and she's not one of them. My criticism hasn't been for Judith Regan and you know it. The outcry against the book was because it was indecent and tasteless for him to profit off of the murders he committed. Judith Regan was trying to make a buck -- it was OJ Simpson that betrayed the memory of the mother of two of his children. It should have been more than just a business deal to him.

[tv]

TV
Look at it this way. There are hate groups that write books all the time that do more harm to the country than ojs and JRS book could have possibly done.Have you ever seen FOX organize a public effort to stop publication of these books?

FOX is the network that was going to give him air time. They had to be convinced otherwise. I'm not going to get into a discussion on other books that FOX has commented on because it's off-topic and irrelevant.

[tv]

To write a book about someone and not talk about their warts would be a lie and people would know no one is perfect although some believe nicole was.
There is no reason for oj to explain why he was not guilty as his defense lawyers had already done that in a court of law.OJ had moved on with his life.imo

I've never said Nicole was perfect and I haven't seen anyone on this forum post that either. If OJ Simpson had moved on with his life why write a book about all of Nicole's faults and include a chapter on how he killed her and Ron? That is not moving on.

[weezer]

First of all, I don't consider Judith Regan a sister. I have sisters and I have close friends I consider sisters and she's not one of them. My criticism hasn't been for Judith Regan and you know it. The outcry against the book was because it was indecent and tasteless for him to profit off of the murders he committed. Judith Regan was trying to make a buck -- it was OJ Simpson that betrayed the memory of the mother of two of his children. It should have been more than just a business deal to him.

:beer::beer:

[weezer]

I've never said Nicole was perfect and I haven't seen anyone on this forum post that either. If OJ Simpson had moved on with his life why write a book about all of Nicole's faults and include a chapter on how he killed her and Ron? That is not moving on.

:beer::beer:

[martin II]

I've never said Nicole was perfect and I haven't seen anyone on this forum post that either. If OJ Simpson had moved on with his life why write a book about all of Nicole's faults and include a chapter on how he killed her and Ron? That is not moving on.

i didn't find the book to be all about nicoles faults.maby he felt so many strangers wrote made up stuff about himself and nicole that it was time for him to set the record straight.
I mean you and i have no idea what was really going on inside that relationship. I understand some believe they actually lived at rockingham and bundy and observed the daily life of nicole and oj but they really didn't. imo

[martin II]

I've never said Nicole was perfect and I haven't seen anyone on this forum post that either. If OJ Simpson had moved on with his life why write a book about all of Nicole's faults and include a chapter on how he killed her and Ron? That is not moving on.

When i said moved on i meant not spending the balance of his cash looking for her killer for 13 years.That makes no sense. He had a family to care for.Putting his kids through achool providing a home and support for them and himself was more important than spending money on a bunch of private investigators.imo

[martin II]

FOX is the network that was going to give him air time. They had to be convinced otherwise. I'm not going to get into a discussion on other books that FOX has commented on because it's off-topic and irrelevant.

i see.

[tv]

i didn't find the book to be all about nicoles faults.maby he felt so many strangers wrote made up stuff about himself and nicole that it was time for him to set the record straight.
I mean you and i have no idea what was really going on inside that relationship. I understand some believe they actually lived at rockingham and bundy and observed the daily life of nicole and oj but they really didn't. imo

I choose not to believe all the trash he says and writes about her. You are free to believe every word he says. Very simple.

[tv]

When i said moved on i meant not spending the balance of his cash looking for her killer for 13 years.That makes no sense. He had a family to care for.Putting his kids through achool providing a home and support for them and himself was more important than spending money on a bunch of private investigators.imo

He didn't spend even one day looking for the 'real killer.' There were private investigators that offered to help him free of charge and he declined to take them up on their offers. He's never shown one bit of anger toward whoever did this nor has he shown any curiosity about who it might have been. That's because he's the killer -- not too hard to figure out.

[martin II]

He didn't spend even one day looking for the 'real killer.' There were private investigators that offered to help him free of charge and he declined to take them up on their offers. He's never shown one bit of anger toward whoever did this nor has he shown any curiosity about who it might have been. That's because he's the killer -- not too hard to figure out.

in a case like this there are many kooks offering free services to get a name.

[Hipcheck]

He didn't spend even one day looking for the 'real killer.' There were private investigators that offered to help him free of charge and he declined to take them up on their offers. He's never shown one bit of anger toward whoever did this nor has he shown any curiosity about who it might have been. That's because he's the killer -- not too hard to figure out.

Don't you remember O.J. searched many a golf course for the real killers.

It's very telling that some private investigators offered to work free of charge but O.J. declined because he know who the real killer is and he sees that person every time he looks in the mirror.

I see Martin is calling these P.I.s kooks which is not a surprise. According to Martin they're either kooks or liars.

[weezer]

PIs offer Simpson free sleuthing

But will he give them the cold shoulder?
May 29, 1996
Web posted at: 8:15 a.m. EDT

From San Francisco Bureau Chief Greg Lefevre

SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) -- O.J. Simpson has remarked that untapped leads in San Francisco may vindicate him -- but that he can't check them out, because he's broke. In response, half a dozen of the city's most respected private eyes have offered their services for free.

Hal Lipset, a famous detective in a city known for its private investigators, took umbrage that his city could be blamed for harboring Simpson's alleged perpetrator.

"We represent a lot of years of experience in the investigative field. But we're doing it primarily because San Francisco was the base," he said.

Lipset says his offer of help is not to be considered critical of the San Francisco Police Department. Simpson has said he no longer trusts Los Angeles police. Private investigations may be more to his liking.

In all, the heads of six separate private investigation companies have joined in the offer. Phil Stuto is one.

"It does besmirch the city to think these leads aren't being followed. And we can certainly afford the time with six of us in six different companies to follow those leads and check them out thoroughly," he said.

But the Simpson team seems to be backing away from Simpson's May 20 statement. On CNN's "Burden of Proof" Tuesday, Simpson investigator Patrick McKenna said, "They're probably cold leads now, so they'll be ice-fishing in San Francisco for these."

McKenna also hinted that Nicole Brown Simpson's friend Faye Resnick and Resnick's drug problem could be linked to Ms. Simpson's death. (179K AIFF or WAV sound)

"Faye Resnick and her associates ... weren't exhaustively followed. We were concerned with defending Mr. Simpson at the time, not doing law enforcement's job of apprehending people and following up these leads," McKenna said.

Are the Simpson leads real or imagined? San Francisco investigator Vance Morris wonders, "It can also be a red herring. Does he have the leads or doesn't he? So we would like for him to respond in that respect."

And will Simpson eventually take Lipset and his colleagues up on the offer? "If he needs the help it's there. And if he doesn't choose to use it, then you can put your own spin on it," Lipset said.

Attorney John Burris, who specializes in defense and police cases, believes Simpson may have backed himself into a corner. Simpson, he says, raised the ante and the investigators are calling his bluff -- something that must frustrate the former football hero's lawyers. (136K AIFF or WAV sound)

"His lawyers are frustrated by his continuing desire to talk, making references to San Francisco. Every time he speaks like this it gives more fuel to the plaintiffs' lawyers to come back and hold him accountable," Burris said.

"As they say, we counsel clients, loose lips sink ships, less is best ... whenever you make these kinds of statements all you really do is create interest. If you can't deliver on the commitments or the statements that you made, it goes to your credibility."

Simpson defense attorney Professor Gerald Uelmen spoke on CNN's "Talk Back Live" Tuesday. "I think he (Simpson) has to be careful in accepting these kinds of offers because they might not be motivated to help him find the real killers. They may want to promote themselves, sell their stories to the media. There are a lot of factors that I think need to be taken into account."

The investigators say they'll make whatever they find available for public scrutiny -- that is, if Simpson approves their search.

[Kate Sachel]

First of all, I don't consider Judith Regan a sister. I have sisters and I have close friends I consider sisters and she's not one of them. My criticism hasn't been for Judith Regan and you know it. The outcry against the book was because it was indecent and tasteless for him to profit off of the murders he committed. Judith Regan was trying to make a buck -- it was OJ Simpson that betrayed the memory of the mother of two of his children. It should have been more than just a business deal to him.

Even had he not committed those murders, the book was an indecent and tasteless project. Had he wanted to write a book detailing his life with Nicole, and discussing the manner in which he was portrayed during both trials, he could have done so without including a chapter regarding him killing the two.

With OJ Simpson however, nothing tends to surprise me anymore.

Kate

[weezer]

Even had he not committed those murders, the book was an indecent and tasteless project. Had he wanted to write a book detailing his life with Nicole, and discussing the manner in which he was portrayed during both trials, he could have done so without including a chapter regarding him killing the two.

With OJ Simpson however, nothing tends to surprise me anymore.

Kate

Hi Kate. I was hoping the book would be a real discussion -- maybe even an insight into evidence (DNA testing, etc) the defense had and/or knew about that we hadn't heard about. When it turned out to be another character assassination on Nicole and LE plus the tawdry confession chapter, decent people became outraged. After it was all done and said, orenthal has remained what he's been his whole life -- a thug, a liar, a cheat, a thief, and most important -- in denial about his responsibility for his life.

[Hipcheck]

PIs offer Simpson free sleuthing

But will he give them the cold shoulder?
May 29, 1996
Web posted at: 8:15 a.m. EDT

From San Francisco Bureau Chief Greg Lefevre

SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) -- O.J. Simpson has remarked that untapped leads in San Francisco may vindicate him -- but that he can't check them out, because he's broke.


If O.J. Simpson was broke then where does he get the $7-8 million that Martin claimed Galanter offered Fred Goldman?

[weezer]

I thought this was interesting seeing as to how the NG's say orenthal was righteous in his threat to Nicole concerning the IRS. If you follow the bouncing ball, it looks like orenthal didn't pay his federal income taxes. Wonder what income they used to come up with that figure? and if it wasn't right, why did orenthal pay?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/27/simpson/index.html

"O.J. Simpson owes IRS up to $700,000 in back taxes

Attorney Ron Slates, who is representing Simpson, said Friday that the IRS is seeking between $600,000 and $700,000 in 1994-95 income taxes from Simpson.

This is not the first time Simpson has had trouble with the IRS. CNN previously reported that the IRS filed two tax liens against him in May 1996 for $685,248. Those liens were removed in September 1996, after Simpson apparently paid what he owed. . ."

[weezer]

this is the stuff orenthal is sitting in prison for because they were 'special' to him: :rolleyes:

". . .Simpson said he learned only recently that his business associate Mike Gilbert had the trophy. Asked why he hadn't noticed the Heisman was missing from a glass trophy case at his home, Simpson said, "I have pictures and things at my house that I don't go around and look at every day. I mean, it's like wallpaper in the house." . . .

http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/27/simpson/index.html#finances

[weezer]

If O.J. Simpson was broke then where does he get the $7-8 million that Martin claimed Galanter offered Fred Goldman?

hmmm -- maybe the money he hid in offshore accounts? maybe the money he made off of signing footballs and jerseys while he was on trial?

orenthal NEVER made an offer to Mr. Goldman. This is another of the many untruths, inaccurate, erroneous posts made by the NG's.

[martin II]

If O.J. Simpson was broke then where does he get the $7-8 million that Martin claimed Galanter offered Fred Goldman?

Thats for him to know.

[Hipcheck]

Thats for him to know.

The Dream Team took most of O.J.'s money. He never had the $7-8 million. O.J. just hates Fred Goldman and Martin wants us to believe he was willng to give him $7-8 millon.

ha ha ha

[weezer]

wonder what 'personal items' orenthal thought he was entitled to take at gunpoint? :eek:

"Judge: Sell your golf clubs, O.J.

June 16, 1997
Web posted at: 10:21 p.m. EDT (0221 GMT)

BEVERLY HILLS (CNN) -- A judge ruled Monday that O.J. Simpson's golf clubs and other personal effects must go on the auction block to help pay part of the $33.5 million judgment against him for the killings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. . . ."

http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/16/simpson/index.html

[weezer]

". . .In Monday's hearing, Shimer ruled that Simpson cannot retain his plaques and trophies, as well as several expensive pieces of artwork, including a metal statue of himself. The judge also stripped him of several expensive lamps -- ranging in value from $6,000 to nearly $25,000 -- ruling they were exorbitant and not typical of regular household items. . ."

[Its just me]

hmmm -- maybe the money he hid in offshore accounts? maybe the money he made off of signing footballs and jerseys while he was on trial?

orenthal NEVER made an offer to Mr. Goldman. This is another of the many untruths, inaccurate, erroneous posts made by the NG's.

OJ said he could not afford to buy a house but we do "know" OJ tells lies. Maybe OJ told one of his friends he had millions and it leaked out to CL. :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/28/simpson/index.html
"We've been working with the [IRS] since I've been arrested," he said. "I don't think I broke the law in any way."

Simpson also said he was looking for a new house in Los Angeles and would probably rent, because he could not afford to buy a home. His Brentwood estate is to be auctioned July 14 with a minimum bid of $2.5 million, to help pay off creditors.

"I can't buy," Simpson said. "It'll be tough to buy."

[Its just me]

I'm pretty sure I read in OJ's deposition that Fred Goldman offered to settle...with a signed confession OJ killed his son.

[martin II]

oj played cat and mouse with people asking him about money. He moved to Florida purchased a good house and took his good pension with him.

[weezer]

we know arnelle followed her daddy meal ticket -- anyone know what Jason did?

[weezer]

I'm pretty sure I read in OJ's deposition that Fred Goldman offered to settle...with a signed confession OJ killed his son.

I can imagine Mr. Goldman would say that but when I looked for something on it, I couldn't find anything except blogs. . .

[martin II]

The Dream Team took most of O.J.'s money. He never had the $7-8 million. O.J. just hates Fred Goldman and Martin wants us to believe he was willng to give him $7-8 millon.

ha ha ha

When the trial started oj was worth over $10,000,000 That he had admiited to. imo

[weezer]

interesting site on the financials of the book -- you have to scroll for the attachments

http://confessionsofakiller.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/money-trail.pdf

[weezer]

some more of the financials -- first page is blank -- scroll to see check to orenthal

http://confessionsofakiller.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/checks.pdf

[weezer]

interesting site on all things orenthal

http://confessionsofakiller.wordpress.com/

[weezer]

NOTICE OF FILING IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO STRIKE THE DEBTOR'S BANKRUPTCY SCHEDULES AND STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL AFFAIRS ALLEGEDLY FILED BY THE DEBTOR

http://confessionsofakiller.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/notice-of-filing.pdf

[Its just me]

NOTICE OF FILING IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO STRIKE THE DEBTOR'S BANKRUPTCY SCHEDULES AND STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL AFFAIRS ALLEGEDLY FILED BY THE DEBTOR

http://confessionsofakiller.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/notice-of-filing.pdf

Interesting, I noticed Arnelle's signed declaration states OJ has no ownership in LBA, is not a director of LBA, is not an officer of LBA and OJ is not an employee of LBA. LOL but OJ seems to have received all the money.

[martin II]

OJ was paid as a outside consultant. not employee.

[GreenIce]

The Dream Team took most of O.J.'s money. He never had the $7-8 million. O.J. just hates Fred Goldman and Martin wants us to believe he was willng to give him $7-8 millon.

ha ha ha

Hipcheck,

I think Simpson's insurance company made the offer.

[Its just me]

hmmmm -- he may have. didn't orenthal -- during his speech at sentencing say something about his son having his own family now?





Simpson Marries -- Jason Simpson, a chef and oldest son of infamous NFL-er O.J. Simpson, married Jessica Roney on May 14. O.J. and his other three children attended the ceremony in Homestead, Fla, according to People Magazine

Read more: http://www.justanswer.com/questions/8hmn-know-anything-oj-simpsons-son#ixzz0UQilTMJm

[weezer]

Interesting, I noticed Arnelle's signed declaration states OJ has no ownership in LBA, is not a director of LBA, is not an officer of LBA and OJ is not an employee of LBA. LOL but OJ seems to have received all the money.

that's pretty much orenthal's MO -- 'me first, me first'

did you see any of the other kids listed?

[weezer]

Simpson Marries -- Jason Simpson, a chef and oldest son of infamous NFL-er O.J. Simpson, married Jessica Roney on May 14. O.J. and his other three children attended the ceremony in Homestead, Fla, according to People Magazine

Read more: http://www.justanswer.com/questions/8hmn-know-anything-oj-simpsons-son#ixzz0UQilTMJm

thank you -- so he did follow daddy to florida. :rolleyes:

[GreenIce]

Even had he not committed those murders, the book was an indecent and tasteless project. Had he wanted to write a book detailing his life with Nicole, and discussing the manner in which he was portrayed during both trials, he could have done so without including a chapter regarding him killing the two.

With OJ Simpson however, nothing tends to surprise me anymore.

Kate

Kate,

I understand what you are saying. However, if he took your suggestion, I doubt he would have been able to get it published.

What I think is being forgotten is that Judith Regan, thought this book and the interviews were going to make a ton of money for her and the network. I think she was the only one surprised when this all backfired on her.

IMO, her saying that she did it because she was a victim of domestic abuse is really what sunk her. She should have just said what it was, it was done for money and not made an excuses for it.

Simpson called it what it was, blood money.

[Its just me]

that's pretty much orenthal's MO -- 'me first, me first'

did you see any of the other kids listed?

In what I read I only saw Arnelle's name and I read a good bit.
LOL Someone has to be blind not to see this was all a hoax from day one.

[martin II]

Kate,

I understand what you are saying. However, if he took your suggestion, I doubt he would have been able to get it published.

What I think is being forgotten is that Judith Regan, thought this book and the interviews were going to make a ton of money for her and the network. I think she was the only one surprised when this all backfired on her.

IMO, her saying that she did it because she was a victim of domestic abuse is really what sunk her. She should have just said what it was, it was done for money and not made an excuses for it.

Simpson called it what it was, blood money.

JR was a strange bird.

She selected oj for her book hired her friend PF and arranged the HC contract. She Kept all of it secrete, then arranged for oj and PF to receive their money and then she announced the tv interview and the intended publication of the book.
When the stuff hit the fan and she was fired she then started talking about her history of abuse and changed her promotion of the book as a hypothetical
to she thinks it is a confession.
It seems the abuse story was her effort to redirect anger directed at her to sympathy. I am not sure her ex that she claimed had abused her agreed with her years late charge.

Based on how she handeled the transaction she effectively screwed Fred of any chance to snatch ojs money before he was paid. all my opinion.

If i remember correctly Fox owed oj about $300 -$400,000 for the tv interview. Don't know if they paid him or not.

[martin II]

Kate,

I understand what you are saying. However, if he took your suggestion, I doubt he would have been able to get it published.

What I think is being forgotten is that Judith Regan, thought this book and the interviews were going to make a ton of money for her and the network. I think she was the only one surprised when this all backfired on her.

IMO, her saying that she did it because she was a victim of domestic abuse is really what sunk her. She should have just said what it was, it was done for money and not made an excuses for it.

Simpson called it what it was, blood money.

The murder chapter was dictated by Regan Books and they hired a writer to write it. imo

[GreenIce]

JR was a strange bird.

She selected oj for her book hired her friend PF and arranged the HC contract. She Kept all of it secrete, then arranged for oj and PF to receive their money and then she announced the tv interview and the intended publication of the book.
When the stuff hit the fan and she was fired she then started talking about her history of abuse and changed her promotion of the book as a hypothetical
to she thinks it is a confession.
It seems the abuse story was her effort to redirect anger directed at her to sympathy. I am not sure her ex that she claimed had abused her agreed with her years late charge.

Based on how she handeled the transaction she effectively screwed Fred of any chance to snatch ojs money before he was paid. all my opinion.

If i remember correctly Fox owed oj about $300 -$400,000 for the tv interview. Don't know if they paid him or not.

Martin,

I agree. She should have stayed with her business demeanor. However, she wasn't the only one involved regarding this project. I was shocked when her own publisher and owner of the network through her under the bus.

[GreenIce]

Martin,

Here is something that confuses me. For years and years we heard how all the evidence points to Simpson and everybody knows how it happened. So why hire a ghost writer? They should have hired Chris Darden, he wrote a couple of books. Why not pay a lawyer who has made a career change into being an author? I am sure they could have done a much better job.

Also, I still find it interesting that not one lawyer on either case will even tolerate it being called a confession.

[weezer]

In what I read I only saw Arnelle's name and I read a good bit.
LOL Someone has to be blind not to see this was all a hoax from day one.

orenthal was so use to getting his way, he thought all he had to do this time too was say it wasn't so. Thank goodness he and his co-conspirator were found to be what they are and the book was taken from them.

[martin II]

thank you -- so he did follow daddy to florida. :rolleyes:

In some cultures people try to keep family close.In others at 18 "you are out of here ready or not."

[GreenIce]

In some cultures people try to keep family close.In others at 18 "you are out of here ready or not."

Martin,

It is well know that Jason has had a few problems of his own. Why not go to Florida and start with a clean slate? If he still is a chef, I am sure Florida offered a lot of opportunities.

[martin II]

Martin,

It is well know that Jason has had a few problems of his own. Why not go to Florida and start with a clean slate? If he still is a chef, I am sure Florida offered a lot of opportunities.

About 6 mo or a year ago it was reported Jason was a chef in a Miami resturant.

[Hipcheck]

Hipcheck,

I think Simpson's insurance company made the offer.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297137,00.html

Simpson's insurance never made any offers to Fred Goldman.

O.J.'s lawyer Robert Slate wanted O.J. and Fred Goldman to sit down at a table and work out a deal where O.J. would make payments to Fred from his earnings which would have amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars.

That's a lot less than the $7-8 million Martin said was offered.

[Hotwater]

Do I need to lock this thread for the night? Stop with the personal attacks and get back on topic.

HW

[martin II]

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297137,00.html

Simpson's insurance never made any offers to Fred Goldman.

O.J.'s lawyer Robert Slate wanted O.J. and Fred Goldman to sit down at a table and work out a deal where O.J. would make payments to Fred from his earnings which would have amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars.

That's a lot less than the $7-8 million Martin said was offered.

hipcheck
Again you are confused

My comment about Oj making a settlement offer to Fred Goldman was after the civil trial and was about the Judgement Fred has.

The link you posted about was about the items involved in the hotel caper last year. Fred was awarded certain oj items from the vegas issue and oj offered some few thousands dollars to fred for those items.Fred refused but if fred ever sells those items he has to pay Oj some amount of money from the sale.

So i sugges you read your links before posting.:cool:

[martin II]

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297137,00.html

Simpson's insurance never made any offers to Fred Goldman.

O.J.'s lawyer Robert Slate wanted O.J. and Fred Goldman to sit down at a table and work out a deal where O.J. would make payments to Fred from his earnings which would have amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars.

That's a lot less than the $7-8 million Martin said was offered.

HIPCHECK
Can you prove your first line. You state it as a fact so you must have proof right?

[martin II]

This may have been the case with the defense lawyers also.


The Goldman family was represented by Daniel Petrocelli, with Simpson represented by Bob Baker.[1] Attorneys for both sides were given high marks by observing lawyers.[1] Simpson's defense in the trial was estimated to cost $1 million and was paid for by an insurance policy on his company, Orenthal Enterprises.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case

[Hipcheck]

hipcheck
Again you are confused

My comment about Oj making a settlement offer to Fred Goldman was after the civil trial and was about the Judgement Fred has.

The link you posted about was about the items involved in the hotel caper last year. Fred was awarded certain oj items from the vegas issue and oj offered some few thousands dollars to fred for those items.Fred refused but if fred ever sells those items he has to pay Oj some amount of money from the sale.

So i sugges you read your links before posting.:cool:

I did read it before I posted it and I think you're the one that's confused and needs to read the article again.

[martin II]

I did read it before I posted it and I think you're the one that's confused and needs to read the article again.

Again

My post was about oj offering a settlement against freds judgement from the civil trial.

Your link was about oj offering fred money for some football items awarded fred after the vegas case.

Maby that will clear up your confusion.:cool:

[Hipcheck]

Again

My post was about oj offering a settlement against freds judgement from the civil trial.

Your link was about oj offering fred money for some football items awarded fred after the vegas case.

Maby that will clear up your confusion.:cool:

"If they had sat down at a table with us and tried to work out a way to pay them from [Simpson's] earnings they'd be hundreds of thousands of dollars ahead right now," Slate said.

What don't you understand? This was about O.J. agreeing to pay Fred a certain amount from his earnings and has nothing to do with his merchandise.

[GreenIce]

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297137,00.html

Simpson's insurance never made any offers to Fred Goldman.

O.J.'s lawyer Robert Slate wanted O.J. and Fred Goldman to sit down at a table and work out a deal where O.J. would make payments to Fred from his earnings which would have amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars.

That's a lot less than the $7-8 million Martin said was offered.

Hipcheck,

His insurance company did make the offer of about 7 million dollars. Like any other insurance company, they can make an offer to settle and the person who holds the policy doesn't have a say in it.

Michael Jackson's insurance company is who paid that settlement all those years ago. I am not exactly sure of the legal name of this type of insurance but many celebrities and really rich people have a type of insurance against being sued. Simpson had this, the insurance company made the offer, Fred Goldman rejected it.

As I have posted many times before, even if the insurance company offered to pay the whole amount, I don't think Mr. Goldman would have taken it. He has been very clear on how he plans to go after the judgment and what he hopes to accomplish by doing it this way.

As we have seen many times before, the rich, famous and powerful have many more avenues opened to them then the average person. They also have to protect themselves and their families regarding their assets.

Another interesting point, when it comes to this type of insurance, lawyers are at the top of the list to get paid. Don't forget, it appears to me that any decent lawyer is also a very good business person or is wise enough to hire someone who does understand the business of being a lawyer. Money is cold and hard, IMO, so the extremely successful business people. IMO.

[GreenIce]

hipcheck
Again you are confused

My comment about Oj making a settlement offer to Fred Goldman was after the civil trial and was about the Judgement Fred has.

The link you posted about was about the items involved in the hotel caper last year. Fred was awarded certain oj items from the vegas issue and oj offered some few thousands dollars to fred for those items.Fred refused but if fred ever sells those items he has to pay Oj some amount of money from the sale.

So i sugges you read your links before posting.:cool:

Martin,

I don't think many people understand that Goldman is trying to pick and choose when he will accept payments on the judgements. Hopefully, sooner or later, a judge will say enough is enough and that any money received from Simpson, regardless on how he made it, has to be accepted toward that settlement.

However, it is clear to me that Goldman doesn't want the judgement paid off. It will defeat his purpose in life, IMO.

[martin II]

Hipcheck,

His insurance company did make the offer of about 7 million dollars. Like any other insurance company, they can make an offer to settle and the person who holds the policy doesn't have a say in it.

Michael Jackson's insurance company is who paid that settlement all those years ago. I am not exactly sure of the legal name of this type of insurance but many celebrities and really rich people have a type of insurance against being sued. Simpson had this, the insurance company made the offer, Fred Goldman rejected it.

As I have posted many times before, even if the insurance company offered to pay the whole amount, I don't think Mr. Goldman would have taken it. He has been very clear on how he plans to go after the judgment and what he hopes to accomplish by doing it this way.

As we have seen many times before, the rich, famous and powerful have many more avenues opened to them then the average person. They also have to protect themselves and their families regarding their assets.

Another interesting point, when it comes to this type of insurance, lawyers are at the top of the list to get paid. Don't forget, it appears to me that any decent lawyer is also a very good business person or is wise enough to hire someone who does understand the business of being a lawyer. Money is cold and hard, IMO, so the extremely successful business people. IMO.

GI

I AGREE
LLOYDS OF LONDON sells that type of policy all the time.

HIPCHECK posted a link to a offer by oj for the footballs in the vegas hotel issue.

my post that oj offered fred 6-7 million oj settle the civil judgement had nothing to do with his post.
He is confusion IMO

[martin II]

Martin,

I don't think many people understand that Goldman is trying to pick and choose when he will accept payments on the judgements. Hopefully, sooner or later, a judge will say enough is enough and that any money received from Simpson, regardless on how he made it, has to be accepted toward that settlement.

However, it is clear to me that Goldman doesn't want the judgement paid off. It will defeat his purpose in life, IMO.

I AGREE

Some times when a good faith offer is made and is based on ability to pay a judge can force the judgement holder to accept.

Fred seems to believe that popular opinion is his weapon to continue to get media attention for his fight. People can tire of hearing the same issue pressed when it seems to produce results. If oj has to serve those years in jail nothing will change.

Fred has some large legal lawyer fee obligations accumulated over the years
and if you notice when he sold the books he did sell, the retailers, lawyers and his publisher took all the money and gave him .17.

He will never collect any good money from his efforts. imo

[martin II]

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297137,00.html

Simpson's insurance never made any offers to Fred Goldman.

O.J.'s lawyer Robert Slate wanted O.J. and Fred Goldman to sit down at a table and work out a deal where O.J. would make payments to Fred from his earnings which would have amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars.

That's a lot less than the $7-8 million Martin said was offered.

Hipcheck
Where in your link does it say oj offered fred a deal THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO A FEW HUNDERD THOUSAND DOLLARS? It dosent.

Your link is about fred asking the judge to giove fred ownership to all of ojs personal name assets including all the hotel items.The judge refused and eventually gave fred some footballs. If fred sells the footballs he has to pay oj about $6,000.00

OJs lawyer Ronald Slate was correct.They had previously made a offer to fred
and fred demanded that oj sign a statement of guilt in the agreement. Freds demands killed the deal WHICH WAS HIS INTENT.

Civil judgements are supposed to be made based on defendants ability to pay. This historical high judgement made some feel good but it was a impossibility to ever be paid. The proof of this is that it has not been paid.





Sept. 16, 2007: O.J. Simpson is transferred to the Clark County Detention Center in Las Vegas
Sept. 16, 2007: O.J. Simpson is transferred to the Clark County Detention Center in Las Vegas
SANTA MONICA, Calif. — Las Vegas prosecutors were considering Tuesday charging O.J. Simpson with kidnapping and coercion in addition to the charges the former NFL star already faces in connection with the alleged armed robbery of a Las Vegas hotel room last week.

Also Tuesday, a judge in Santa Monica, Calif., denied a request by the father of Ron Goldman for sweeping assignment of O.J. Simpson's earnings.

Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg did, however, give Fred Goldman's lawyer, David Cook, one week to come up with a list of sports memorabilia items the former football star is accused of stealing from the Las Vegas hotel room.

Click here to see photos of O.J. Simpson's arrest.

Rosenberg denied today the latest effort by Fred Goldman to take Simpson's earnings from everything from autograph signings to videogames to satisfiy a largely unpaid multimillion-dollar judgment 11 years ago.

The Goldman family was seeking ownership of the sports memorabilia O.J. Simpson is accused of committing armed robbery to recover for himself.

Simpson's attorney, Ronald Slate, said during a press conference following the hearing Tuesday that the Goldman family had refused efforts by Simpson to make payment arrangements for the settlement.

[martin II]

"If they had sat down at a table with us and tried to work out a way to pay them from [Simpson's] earnings they'd be hundreds of thousands of dollars ahead right now," Slate said.

What don't you understand? This was about O.J. agreeing to pay Fred a certain amount from his earnings and has nothing to do with his merchandise.

OK
That hearing was about the merchandise. Slates comments was about a previous offer made to fred which fred rejected.

Where in your link does it say oj offered a few hundred thousand dollars to fred.

[martin II]

GI

At the civil trial judgement hearing ojs lawyers presented his accountants report showing oj simpson with decreased earings capacity and the value of all his assets.This report clearly showed what ojs ability to pay was.

The plantiffs lawyers was successful in getting that jury to ignor this report
and they awarded a historical judgement amount.

Usually jedgements are issued based on defendants ability to pay.This was ignored and the high level of the judgement pleased fred and many others.

The problem with that judgement was what sense does it make to give such a high judgement if it is not possible to ever be paid. The result has been that fred has been forced to hire many lawyers at great cost to him making all kinds of legal attempts to get everything from tee shirts to ojs personal name. He has lost on most all request.His lawyers understand this but as long as fred is willing to run up their invoices to him, they are willing to represent him in these failed attampts.

Fred may get some personal satisfaction from public support for his efforts but how much money is he getting for his efforts. The other issue then is
what is the logic for continuing to go down this dead end just to keep ones name in the media.:shrug:

[Kate Sachel]

Martin,

I don't think many people understand that Goldman is trying to pick and choose when he will accept payments on the judgements. Hopefully, sooner or later, a judge will say enough is enough and that any money received from Simpson, regardless on how he made it, has to be accepted toward that settlement.

However, it is clear to me that Goldman doesn't want the judgement paid off. It will defeat his purpose in life, IMO.

That alone should then make it clear then that it is not about the money for Fred Goldman as some individuals have insisted it is.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

I understand what you are saying. However, if he took your suggestion, I doubt he would have been able to get it published.

What I think is being forgotten is that Judith Regan, thought this book and the interviews were going to make a ton of money for her and the network. I think she was the only one surprised when this all backfired on her.

IMO, her saying that she did it because she was a victim of domestic abuse is really what sunk her. She should have just said what it was, it was done for money and not made an excuses for it.

Simpson called it what it was, blood money.

I disagree. This case continues to engage the public this long after the fact. I think had OJ wanted to sit down and write about his life with Nicole, and his personal outlooks on the two trials that it would have intrigued many a people.

I think it was simply one more way for OJ Simpson to be unbelievably callous and righteous while attempting to make a buck; I don't believe he had any interest in portraying his "love affair" with Nicole.

Kate

[martin II]

Martin,

I don't think many people understand that Goldman is trying to pick and choose when he will accept payments on the judgements. Hopefully, sooner or later, a judge will say enough is enough and that any money received from Simpson, regardless on how he made it, has to be accepted toward that settlement.

However, it is clear to me that Goldman doesn't want the judgement paid off. It will defeat his purpose in life, IMO.

There was a sale of certain oj items taken from his house after the civil trial. i think it was 3-4 hundred thousand dollars in value.Fred got about half and NBS estate got the other. There was no demand by fred that oj sign a guilty statement for him,fred to accept that money.
Yet when ojs insurance company made a offer to pay a amount to settle the total judgement fred came up with the demand that oj sign some guilty statement for him to accept the offer.
So yes it seems that fred does not want to settle.

[Kate Sachel]

Were it about the money I do believe Fred Goldman would have jumped on top of the millions that were offered to him, but rather he rejected any such offer.

It really is quite simple.

Kate

[Its just me]

Were it about the money I do believe Fred Goldman would have jumped on top of the millions that were offered to him, but rather he rejected any such offer.

It really is quite simple.

Kate

Exactly. If OJ had any such Insurance Policy it was an asset and if an offer was made by the Insurance Company they took liability and could be responsible for the total amount of the policy. All Goldman had to do is file a judgment against OJ....the Insurance kicks in and at some point can be settled for an amount up to full amount of liability coverage....by mediation or thru a trial. If there was an Insurance Policy and Goldman did not accept any offer or pursue getting anything from the Insurance....it clearly shows it is not about money. (amount of dollars) IMHOO Goldman went after what could hurt OJ the most....his personal things. OJ took his son's "life" and Goldman wants OJ to pay by taking the next best things to a family member. Personal items treasured by OJ and Goldman is not interested in making a settlement to let OJ forget he took his son's life. IMHOO I can't say I would be any different if it had been my son.

[martin II]

Insurance policies are usually very specific of the sitiation and all are not the same.
I am not privy to the insurance policy requirements but doubt that they could pay without the approval of oj. Freds demand that that agreement must include some kind of i killed ron statement was a deal breaker for the insurance company and oj and indicates that fred did not want to settle at that time. I think fred got bad advice at that time but that is my opinion.

His subsequent efforts to get money by many court filings and his efforts to get and sell that book, indicates that he has since decided that he wants money from oj or any oj asset without the i killed ron statement so he can sell for money. imo

[Kate Sachel]

Goldman went after what could hurt OJ the most....his personal things. OJ took his son's "life" and Goldman wants OJ to pay by taking the next best things to a family member. Personal items treasured by OJ and Goldman is not interested in making a settlement to let OJ forget he took his son's life. IMHOO I can't say I would be any different if it had been my son.

I agree. After his acquittal, OJ had many options and what he should have done was move quietly on with his life. What he chose to do, however, was add insult to injury by making a mockery out of the murders and has continued to do so.

Kate

[Hipcheck]

Hipcheck,

His insurance company did make the offer of about 7 million dollars. Like any other insurance company, they can make an offer to settle and the person who holds the policy doesn't have a say in it.

Michael Jackson's insurance company is who paid that settlement all those years ago. I am not exactly sure of the legal name of this type of insurance but many celebrities and really rich people have a type of insurance against being sued. Simpson had this, the insurance company made the offer, Fred Goldman rejected it.


Please post a link where O.J.'s insurance offered Fred Goldman $7 million. I don't believe there is one.

Michael Jackson paid Jordy Chandler himself not his insurance.

[tv]

Insurance policies are usually very specific of the sitiation and all are not the same.
I am not privy to the insurance policy requirements but doubt that they could pay without the approval of oj. Freds demand that that agreement must include some kind of i killed ron statement was a deal breaker for the insurance company and oj and indicates that fred did not want to settle at that time. I think fred got bad advice at that time but that is my opinion.

His subsequent efforts to get money by many court filings and his efforts to get and sell that book, indicates that he has since decided that he wants money from oj or any oj asset without the i killed ron statement so he can sell for money. imo

martin, I'm going to remind you that Fred Goldman had to market the book in order to keep it from OJ Simpson. Why is it necessary for you to continue to bash Mr. Goldman? He's a family member of one of the victims, remember?

[martin II]

martin, I'm going to remind you that Fred Goldman had to market the book in order to keep it from OJ Simpson. Why is it necessary for you to continue to bash Mr. Goldman? He's a family member of one of the victims, remember?

tv
Again

the discussion is about oj,fred and the insurance policy. discussing freds actions on these issues is not bashing and i think you should stop trying to say it is. People are expressing various ideas about the situation. i am doing the same. thanks.
imo

[tv]

tv
Again

the discussion is about oj,fred and the insurance policy. discussing freds actions on these issues is not bashing and i think you should stop trying to say it is. People are expressing various ideas about the situation. i am doing the same. thanks.
imo

When you keep saying that Mr. Goldman is only attempting to make money off the death of his son you are trashing him. Discussing his actions is one thing but character assassination against Mr. Goldman without any facts to back it up is another. You are aware that Mr. Goldman had to market the book or lose it. I don't blame him -- I would have also done anything to keep the murderer of my son from any further profits from his death.

Last month, the Goldmans won the right to pursue publishing rights of Simpson's alleged hypothetical account of the slayings.

U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jay Cristol approved the division plan subject to the court's supervision, adding that the purchaser of the book rights "must promise the court it will maximize the sale of the asset."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

[martin II]

When you keep saying that Mr. Goldman is only attempting to make money off the death of his son you are trashing him. Discussing his actions is one thing but character assassination against Mr. Goldman without any facts to back it up is another. You are aware that Mr. Goldman had to market the book or lose it. I don't blame him -- I would have also done anything to keep the murderer of my son from any further profits from his death.

Last month, the Goldmans won the right to pursue publishing rights of Simpson's alleged hypothetical account of the slayings.

U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jay Cristol approved the division plan subject to the court's supervision, adding that the purchaser of the book rights "must promise the court it will maximize the sale of the asset."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

Once more. by giving any monies received from oj to denise brown abuse organazation or some other worthy organization, he could prove he did not want what has been called oj blood money to go to his pockets.

The fact that we dissagree on the issue does not mean that fred is being trashed. There is always two sides to a issue. If my post upset you i suggest
you ignore them. imo

[tv]

Once more. by giving any monies received from oj to denise brown abuse organazation or some other worthy organization, he could prove he did not want what has been called oj blood money to go to his pockets.

The fact that we dissagree on the issue does not mean that fred is being trashed. There is always two sides to a issue. If my post upset you i suggest
you ignore them. imo

The next time you say Mr. Goldman is only interested in profitting from the death of his son I'd appreciate it if you would provide a credible like to your claim.

[tv]

The murder chapter was dictated by Regan Books and they hired a writer to write it. imo

Please provide a link to your claim.

[martin II]

Please provide a link to your claim.

When i make a post that is my opinion i always try to indicate it by ending my post with IMO.

[tv]

GI

If it is not about the money for fred, there would be no reason to have gone into court to get any of ojs assets from throphy to tee shirts to ojs personal name. IF it is not about the money there was no reason for fred to send his lawyer in bankruptcy court to get the book. If it was not about the money
there was no reason for fred to hire a publisher to sell the book so money could be made that would go directly into his bank account. IF it was not ablut the money fred would have rejected the money from the sale of the items taken from ojs house from the judges list.

Fred could have kept his judgement, continued to make tv appearances reminding people that he thinks oj killed his son and that he did ot want any of the blood money which if what he had called it.
When they say it is not about the money it usually is. imo


U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jay Cristol approved the division plan subject to the court's supervision, adding that the purchaser of the book rights "must promise the court it will maximize the sale of the asset."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30...ook/index.html

[tv]

When i make a post that is my opinion i always try to indicate it by ending my post with IMO.

Just because you tack 'imo' onto every post doesn't release you from being required to provide a link to what you post as fact.

[martin II]

U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Jay Cristol approved the division plan subject to the court's supervision, adding that the purchaser of the book rights "must promise the court it will maximize the sale of the asset."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30...ook/index.html



This does not prevent the person receiving money from the book giving that DIRTY MONEY to NBS abuse organization or some other group rather than keeping it for personal gain. imo

[tv]

This does not prevent the person receiving money from the book giving that DIRTY MONEY to NBS abuse organization or some other group rather than keeping it for personal gain. imo

Please provide a link to where the money went from the sale of the book. It's my understanding that a portion of the money went to the Ron Goldman Foundation. Arnelle and her Daddy sure didn't mind holding out their hands for that DIRTY MONEY.

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

[martin II]

Please provide a link to where the money went from the sale of the book. It's my understanding that a portion of the money went to the Ron Goldman Foundation. Arnelle and her Daddy sure didn't mind holding out their hands for that DIRTY MONEY.

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

See the creditors list in the bankruptcy trial

The book opened at a retail price of $24.00.
Those involved in selling the book were
freds lawyers
the publisher
the retail outlets
FRED.

On oprah Fred said he only gets .17 per book.which caused her to say "thats a bad book deal"

Ron goldman foundation was not listed as a creditor. to my knowledge.

$23.83 went to the above and to the creditors listed in the case.
you figure it as i did.
imo

[Its just me]

Who is to say what Fred Goldman did with any money he got from anywhere. People donate lots of money to good causes each and everyday. Did Fred Goldman provide a personal financial statement at any time??. :confused:

[Its just me]

Please provide a link to where the money went from the sale of the book. It's my understanding that a portion of the money went to the Ron Goldman Foundation. Arnelle and her Daddy sure didn't mind holding out their hands for that DIRTY MONEY.

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

Very touching the Goldman's cared enough for their fellow man to form a foundation to help others.

[martin II]

Initially it was reported that fred was receiving donations from the public to assist in his legal bills or just to show support. I have never seen any financials of his published for the public consumption. That does not mean that he has not given a accounting.

My point is there should be some point where some kind of settlement/agreement should be made. Otherwise this issue will consume fred for some time. OJ may be out of the money making game for some years so there will be no opportunity for fred to collect and oj will not be thinking about fred in jail.

Yesterday i read a blog on the Amish family killing of last year where that family using their religion as a guide just forgave the man that killed their children. He did so because of the word of jesus and because of the damage that hate could do to him personally. The carrying of the hate he saw as a burden to himself. imo

[martin II]

Please provide a link to where the money went from the sale of the book. It's my understanding that a portion of the money went to the Ron Goldman Foundation. Arnelle and her Daddy sure didn't mind holding out their hands for that DIRTY MONEY.

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

tv

Is this a statement of plans?

On one of denise browns nicole web site financial info on money raised and what it was used for is listed. Projects that she has actually done and money given to other groups. This is normal.
Did you see this info from freds site??

[martin II]

http://nicolebrown.org/

Over the years, the Foundation has hosted high profile events, sponsored local events and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in proceeds which were donated to shelters all across the United States.

[tv]

http://nicolebrown.org/

Over the years, the Foundation has hosted high profile events, sponsored local events and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in proceeds which were donated to shelters all across the United States.

The foundation in memory of Nicole Brown is wonderful but we're talking about Fred Goldman and how he's chosen to honor his loved one.

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Is this a statement of plans?

On one of denise browns nicole web site financial info on money raised and what it was used for is listed. Projects that she has actually done and money given to other groups. This is normal.
Did you see this info from freds site??

Why are you comparing Denise Brown's website to the Goldman's? Is this your attempt to bash Mr. Goldman and his daughter again?

[tv]

Initially it was reported that fred was receiving donations from the public to assist in his legal bills or just to show support. I have never seen any financials of his published for the public consumption. That does not mean that he has not given a accounting.

My point is there should be some point where some kind of settlement/agreement should be made. Otherwise this issue will consume fred for some time. OJ may be out of the money making game for some years so there will be no opportunity for fred to collect and oj will not be thinking about fred in jail.

Yesterday i read a blog on the Amish family killing of last year where that family using their religion as a guide just forgave the man that killed their children. He did so because of the word of jesus and because of the damage that hate could do to him personally. The carrying of the hate he saw as a burden to himself. imo

Mr. Goldman did receive donations for his representation in the civil case. This was something he did reluctantly but it was necessary for him to be able to afford to go forward with the case. Contrary to what you believe, Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man.

Is comparing the Amish family to Mr. Goldman an attempt on your part to slur Mr. Goldman? You know that as a Jew he doesn't worship Jesus. Why was this comparison necessary or relevant?

[Its just me]

Mr. Goldman did receive donations for his representation in the civil case. This was something he did reluctantly but it was necessary for him to be able to afford to go forward with the case. Contrary to what you believe, Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man.

Is comparing the Amish family to Mr. Goldman an attempt on your part to slur Mr. Goldman? You know that as a Jew he doesn't worship Jesus. Why was this comparison necessary or relevant?

Thank You for speaking out. I agree with your posts. Until someone is faced with forgiving the person who murdered a son....they need to keep their mouth shut about a person who had son that was murdered...IMHOO but a strong one.

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Thank You for speaking out. I agree with your posts. Until someone is faced with forgiving the person who murdered a son....they need to keep their mouth shut about a person who had son that was murdered...IMHOO but a strong one.

Thank you, IJM. I can't imagine losing a child and I wouldn't want to tell anyone how to handle that tragedy. Everyone grieves in their own way. There will come a day when he has to let the fight go but I think Kim Goldman is just as committed as her father. His grief belongs to him and no one else -- if he decided to forgive and forget I wouldn't second guess that decision either. This is my opinion only.

[martin II]

Mr. Goldman did receive donations for his representation in the civil case. This was something he did reluctantly but it was necessary for him to be able to afford to go forward with the case. Contrary to what you believe, Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man.

Is comparing the Amish family to Mr. Goldman an attempt on your part to slur Mr. Goldman? You know that as a Jew he doesn't worship Jesus. Why was this comparison necessary or relevant?

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not everyone believes carrying hate in ones heart for long periord of time is healthy for the carrier. The Amish parents understood that.


Another foundation listing activities and operations.
http://www.safinc.org/whoweare.html

[GreenIce]

That alone should then make it clear then that it is not about the money for Fred Goldman as some individuals have insisted it is.

Kate

Kate,

I have always posted it was never about the money, on either side. For example, if the judgement was $1,000.00, Simpson still would not have paid it and Mr. Goldman still would not have accepted it.

The Goldmans feel the only way they can hurt Simpson is through his wallet and they will drag it out as long as possible. I don't fault either side for their feelings or how they plan to go about it.

I have also posted had the situation been reversed, as in Ron being in the defendant's chair and he was convicted, Mr. Goldman would be just as vocal but it would be on the other side of the coin.

Even if Ron was aquitted and the verdict appeared to be rejected, Mr. Goldman would be pointing out the weaknesses in the DA's case. To the best of my knowledge, the Goldmans' have never said anything about the jury. At least, I don't remember any negative comments.

[martin II]

Why are you comparing Denise Brown's website to the Goldman's? Is this your attempt to bash Mr. Goldman and his daughter again?

In case you have forgotten Denise Browns sister was killed. It is interesting to see what she has done with her foundation and how much info if available on what they have done.Especially about the money.

[GreenIce]

Mr. Goldman did receive donations for his representation in the civil case. This was something he did reluctantly but it was necessary for him to be able to afford to go forward with the case. Contrary to what you believe, Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man.

Is comparing the Amish family to Mr. Goldman an attempt on your part to slur Mr. Goldman? You know that as a Jew he doesn't worship Jesus. Why was this comparison necessary or relevant?

TV,

I think the point of Martin's post is about faith and forgiveness. I would love to say that faith and forgiveness is a part of every faith's teachings but I can't be sure because I know next to nothing about Islam and other faiths.

IMO, Mr. Goldman, like any other parent in a situation like this, must find their own way or their own motivation for them to carry on. There is no such thing as closure, IMO, in any death.

I agree with that Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man. However, there is no doubt in my mind, had he not been able to afford a team lawyers, I am sure there quite a few who would have represented him pro bono.

[martin II]

Mr. Goldman did receive donations for his representation in the civil case. This was something he did reluctantly but it was necessary for him to be able to afford to go forward with the case. Contrary to what you believe, Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man.

Is comparing the Amish family to Mr. Goldman an attempt on your part to slur Mr. Goldman? You know that as a Jew he doesn't worship Jesus. Why was this comparison necessary or relevant?

tv

How much money was actually given to the foundation by fred? Who runs the foundation and who in on the board of the foundation.How much money has the foundation give away?

imo

[tv]

In case you have forgotten Denise Browns sister was killed. It is interesting to see what she has done with her foundation and how much info if available on what they have done.Especially about the money.

Everyone's grief is individual. Sorry you don't understand that. Please don't preach to me about Denise Brown. You have trashed that woman without mercy in the past. Just like Judith Regan -- your opinion changes from post to post-- whatever serves your purpose at the moment.

[tv]

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How much money was actually given to the foundation by fred? Who runs the foundation and who in on the board of the foundation.How much money has the foundation give away?

imo

The board members are listed on the website. You're free to look at the list. If you want to know about the money I suggest you check the public record. The foundation has filed for 501 (c) (3) status so you can be assured the government is monitoring where the money goes. Maybe now you can sleep at night.

[tv]

In case you have forgotten Denise Browns sister was killed. It is interesting to see what she has done with her foundation and how much info if available on what they have done.Especially about the money.

Oh, I see. Today you like Denise Brown. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

TV,

I think the point of Martin's post is about faith and forgiveness. I would love to say that faith and forgiveness is a part of every faith's teachings but I can't be sure because I know next to nothing about Islam and other faiths.

IMO, Mr. Goldman, like any other parent in a situation like this, must find their own way or their own motivation for them to carry on. There is no such thing as closure, IMO, in any death.

I agree with that Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man. However, there is no doubt in my mind, had he not been able to afford a team lawyers, I am sure there quite a few who would have represented him pro bono.


People that edge fred on to hate oj may have feelings against oj which motivated their hatred but they don't carry the same burden that fred carries.I think the Amish action was as they said a understand of the burden that hate places on the person doing the hating.

The Amish person lost 2-3 young girls in the killings yet they understood that forgiveness was the only way they could rid themselves of the horrible event
and the hatred they initially felt.

That is a good piece of information for those that allow hate to consume them. imo
on the person that suffered a lost.

[GreenIce]

tv

How much money was actually given to the foundation by fred? Who runs the foundation and who in on the board of the foundation.How much money has the foundation give away?

imo

Martin,

IMO, what Mr. Goldman does with any money he has gotten or will get in the future regarding the judgement, is none of any one's business. It doesn't matter to me if he donated all of it, if he put it all in trash bin and burned it. It really is none of our business.

However, in regards to any Foundation that has been established, these are governed by laws and they are monitored. I don't think people realize just how hard these foundations are to established as well as managed.

The questions you have asked regarding the foundations are public records.

[tv]

Martin,

IMO, what Mr. Goldman does with any money he has gotten or will get in the future regarding the judgement, is none of any one's business. It doesn't matter to me if he donated all of it, if he put it all in trash bin and burned it. It really is none of our business.

However, in regards to any Foundation that has been established, these are governed by laws and they are monitored. I don't think people realize just how hard these foundations are to established as well as managed.

The questions you have asked regarding the foundations are public records.

Thank you, GI. This is the most sense you've ever made. I mean that kindly. :)

[tv]

People that edge fred on to hate oj may have feelings against oj which motivated their hatred but they don't carry the same burden that fred carries.I think the Amish action was as they said a understand of the burden that hate places on the person doing the hating.

The Amish person lost 2-3 young girls in the killings yet they understood that forgiveness was the only way they could rid themselves of the horrible event
and the hatred they initially felt.

That is a good piece of information for those that allow hate to consume them. imo
on the person that suffered a lost.

Please see post #19710.

[GreenIce]

People that edge fred on to hate oj may have feelings against oj which motivated their hatred but they don't carry the same burden that fred carries.I think the Amish action was as they said a understand of the burden that hate places on the person doing the hating.

The Amish person lost 2-3 young girls in the killings yet they understood that forgiveness was the only way they could rid themselves of the horrible event
and the hatred they initially felt.

That is a good piece of information for those that allow hate to consume them. imo
on the person that suffered a lost.

Martin,

IMO, we have no idea if Fred Goldman actually did try to forgive Simpson. I am sure he has received many comments about the healing powers of forgiveness--however, just because he can't doesn't mean that he hasn't tried.

I agree that Goldman hates Simpson, but his hate is aimed at one person. It is not like he is hating on everything and everybody. I believe he is one of the rare individuals who's hate has done a lot of good.

I believe Mr. Goldman is doing what he needs to do to carry on.

It appears to me that while many people find comfort in faith others turn from it. A person has to do what a person has to do, in this regard. IMO.

[martin II]

Oh, I see. Today you like Denise Brown. :rolleyes:

When denise makes decisions that i think are correct, why not agree.

It is interesting that during freds efforts to get the book for himself Denise said publically on her web site that her family had moved on from the oj case.
She also said freds efforts to get the book was nothing but a money grab.
Eventually she got good legal advice was was forced to request that the NBS estate participate in the income from the book. Fred faught this request as he felt that he should get total control of all of the rights to the book and therefore all of the money from the book. But i guess you still believe it was not about the money for him.

[GreenIce]

I think it is always good to draw knowledge from the experiences of others.
The article on the Amish was a very powerful message for those that had family members killed and how damaging hate can be to the person that is hating.imo

Martin,

While the Amish are a forgiving people, we must remember they also banish loved ones if the loved one rejects the faith and their lifestyle. While I would not call this hate, I wouldn't call it an act of love either. Again, IMO.

[tv]

When denise makes decisions that i think are correct, why not agree.

It is interesting that during freds efforts to get the book for himself Denise said publically on her web site that her family had moved on from the oj case.
She also said freds efforts to get the book was othing but a money grab.
Eventually she got good legal advice was was forced to request that the NBS estate participate in the income from the book. Fred faught this request as he felt that he should get total control of all of the rights to the book and therefore all of the money from the book. But i guess you still believe it was not about the money for him.

Whatevah, martin. I'm too tired to continue this for now...:seeya:

[GreenIce]

When denise makes decisions that i think are correct, why not agree.

It is interesting that during freds efforts to get the book for himself Denise said publically on her web site that her family had moved on from the oj case.
She also said freds efforts to get the book was othing but a money grab.
Eventually she got good legal advice was was forced to request that the NBS estate participate in the income from the book. Fred faught this request as he felt that he should get total control of all of the rights to the book and therefore all of the money from the book. But i guess you still believe it was not about the money for him.

Martin,

IMO, the Browns had no choice but to move on. They had two grandchildren they could have lost had they not moved on. As horrible as Nicole's death was to them, they at least have the best part of Nicole---her children.

Does this mean they have forgiven Simpson, I doubt it. IMO.

Mr. Goldman will never have that to help him deal with grief. IMO.

I do remember the comments that went back and forth between the Browns and the Goldmans. Does it really surprise that you the families would have different opinons about the book? However, some of the shots taken by the Goldman side, IMO, were not very nice but then again, the subject matter isn't a very nice either.

[GreenIce]

Please post a link where O.J.'s insurance offered Fred Goldman $7 million. I don't believe there is one.

Michael Jackson paid Jordy Chandler himself not his insurance.

Hipcheck,

I am not going to argue with it. Believe what you want to believe but remember, that does not mean that you are correct.

[martin II]

Martin,

While the Amish are a forgiving people, we must remember they also banish loved ones if the loved one rejects the faith and their lifestyle. While I would not call this hate, I wouldn't call it an act of love either. Again, IMO.

All religions are too strict for me if one lives strictly by the teachings. The AMISH family impressed me on how they saw hate as a burdem for them. I had not seen or read it expressed in that manner before. One has to be greatly grounded after a loss like they experienced to see hate that way. imo

At any rate they cook great food over in PA. haha

[GreenIce]

All religions are too strict for me if one lives strictly by the teachings. The AMISH family impressed me on how thay saw hate as a burdem for them. I had not seen or read it expressed in that manner before. One has to be greatly grounded after a loss like they experienced to see hate that way. imo

At any rate they cook great food over in PA. haha

Martin,

IIRC, the person who killed the Amish children was mentally ill. Perhaps that may have played a role in their forgiveness. However, I still think you gotta do what you gotta do to carry on.

And I agree with you about the food.

[Its just me]

TV,

I think the point of Martin's post is about faith and forgiveness. I would love to say that faith and forgiveness is a part of every faith's teachings but I can't be sure because I know next to nothing about Islam and other faiths.

IMO, Mr. Goldman, like any other parent in a situation like this, must find their own way or their own motivation for them to carry on. There is no such thing as closure, IMO, in any death.

I agree with that Mr. Goldman is not a wealthy man. However, there is no doubt in my mind, had he not been able to afford a team lawyers, I am sure there quite a few who would have represented him pro bono.

GreenIce you are so very right about a parent loosing a child....by murder, accident or sickness. I "know" I lost my son in 2005 and it's very difficult to carry on even now. Part of my heart died with my son....It has been hard to even love the things I once loved dearly....but that is beginning to come back. My son was killed in an accident....his death has been devastating and I can't even imagine trying to forgive a murderer if he had been murdered. If there is no heart to love there is no heart to forgive.

I totally agree there is no such thing as closure in the death of a loved one and each has to find their own way to carry on. Wise Words. Thank You.

ETA: With out God....I would NOT have survived loosing my child. I humbly praise HIM.

[martin II]

Martin,

IIRC, the person who killed the Amish children was mentally ill. Perhaps that may have played a role in their forgiveness. However, I still think you gotta do what you gotta do to carry on.

And I agree with you about the food.

Thats a good reason but i have seen cases where family members have called for the head of mentally ill defendants.

I always have a great time at the family style food table there. They know what to do with that corn. I am sure you had some.

[martin II]

It may be that one can forgive but don't have to forget. i have heard that expressed.But one has to be well grounded in something to do that.imo

[socaldiva]

GreenIce you are so very right about a parent loosing a child....by murder, accident or sickness. I "know" I lost my son in 2005 and it's very difficult to carry on even now. Part of my heart died with my son....It has been hard to even love the things I once loved dearly....but that is beginning to come back. My son was killed in an accident....his death has been devastating and I can't even imagine trying to forgive a murderer if he had been murdered. If there is no heart to love there is no heart to forgive.

I totally agree there is no such thing as closure in the death of a loved one and each has to find their own way to carry on. Wise Words. Thank You.

ETA: With out God....I would NOT have survived loosing my child. I humbly praise HIM.

I am so saddened to read of the loss of your Son. Please accept my heartfelt condolences. :rose:

[GreenIce]

It may be that one can forgive but don't have to forget. i have heard that expressed.But one has to be well grounded in something to do that.imo

Martin,

Through my own experience, in order to forgive, you have to forget. I thought you could still forgive but not forget and there are some things you can't do one with out the other. IMO.

[Its just me]

I am so saddened to read of the loss of your Son. Please accept my heartfelt condolences. :rose:


Thank You, Loosing my dearly loved son was horrible so I can relate that part to Mr. Goldman. Today is my son's 35th birthday. Wonderful memories.

Mr. Goldman did not only have to deal with loosing his child but the justice system holding the one who he believes took his son from him responsible....Mr. Goldman is not alone in feeling the justice system failed in the criminal trial but the law allowed Mr. Goldman more options and he legally took advantage of them. To my knowledge everything Mr. Goldman has done is within the law so he has done absolutely nothing wrong.

I'm just going to be honest....I've seen a few out burst of vengeance over what has been posted on this message board so IMHOO people should not be too swift to judge Mr. Goldman because if a message board can get someone so out of sorts there is NO telling what would happen if they had a child murdered. Just saying what I think I've seen.....now for the sake of an argument....I don't know what is in a posters heart. That's true and it's also true not a one here knows what is in the heart of Mr. Goldman. I hope all will at least agree that it's clear Mr. Goldman was devastated over the loss of Ron.

Thanks again socaldiva I appreciate your kindness. IJM

[martin II]

Martin,

Through my own experience, in order to forgive, you have to forget. I thought you could still forgive but not forget and there are some things you can't do one with out the other. IMO.

That may be true.

[martin II]

Martin,

Through my own experience, in order to forgive, you have to forget. I thought you could still forgive but not forget and there are some things you can't do one with out the other. IMO.

Gi my point has always been that it cannot be easy on Fred to wake daily with the job of chasing ojs money, dealing with lawyers,making court appearances in order to be able to say i took ojs money and some tee shirt and pictures and this some how makes Ron rest in peace. Or something like that. The stress must be too much some times. The Amish family decided that
it was not worth it for them to carry the burden of hate and the resulting stress. So they just dispatched it from themselves and continued with other aspects of their lives.

Some how the Browns were able to do something close to this according to Denise Brown.

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

I have always posted it was never about the money, on either side. For example, if the judgement was $1,000.00, Simpson still would not have paid it and Mr. Goldman still would not have accepted it.

The Goldmans feel the only way they can hurt Simpson is through his wallet and they will drag it out as long as possible. I don't fault either side for their feelings or how they plan to go about it.

I have also posted had the situation been reversed, as in Ron being in the defendant's chair and he was convicted, Mr. Goldman would be just as vocal but it would be on the other side of the coin.

Even if Ron was aquitted and the verdict appeared to be rejected, Mr. Goldman would be pointing out the weaknesses in the DA's case. To the best of my knowledge, the Goldmans' have never said anything about the jury. At least, I don't remember any negative comments.

Nor do I recall the Goldman's making any statements regarding the jury.

You may be correct in your thoughts regarding how Mr. Goldman would have responded had the roles been reversed, but we have no way of knowing that with any amount of certainty.

I just find it sad that some people presume to know the best or most appropriate way for another individual to handle the grief of losing a child. I also find it sad that there are some who speak out so negatively regarding Mr. Goldman's actions in the aftermath but stay mum regarding OJ Simpson's actions in the aftermath.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Martin,

IMO, what Mr. Goldman does with any money he has gotten or will get in the future regarding the judgement, is none of any one's business. It doesn't matter to me if he donated all of it, if he put it all in trash bin and burned it. It really is none of our business.

However, in regards to any Foundation that has been established, these are governed by laws and they are monitored. I don't think people realize just how hard these foundations are to established as well as managed.

The questions you have asked regarding the foundations are public records.

Wonderful post. Thank you GreenIce.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Martin,

IMO, we have no idea if Fred Goldman actually did try to forgive Simpson. I am sure he has received many comments about the healing powers of forgiveness--however, just because he can't doesn't mean that he hasn't tried.

I agree that Goldman hates Simpson, but his hate is aimed at one person. It is not like he is hating on everything and everybody. I believe he is one of the rare individuals who's hate has done a lot of good.

I believe Mr. Goldman is doing what he needs to do to carry on.

It appears to me that while many people find comfort in faith others turn from it. A person has to do what a person has to do, in this regard. IMO.

Yet another wonderful post.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Thank You, Loosing my dearly loved son was horrible so I can relate that part to Mr. Goldman. Today is my son's 35th birthday. Wonderful memories.

Mr. Goldman did not only have to deal with loosing his child but the justice system holding the one who he believes took his son from him responsible....Mr. Goldman is not alone in feeling the justice system failed in the criminal trial but the law allowed Mr. Goldman more options and he legally took advantage of them. To my knowledge everything Mr. Goldman has done is within the law so he has done absolutely nothing wrong.

I'm just going to be honest....I've seen a few out burst of vengeance over what has been posted on this message board so IMHOO people should not be too swift to judge Mr. Goldman because if a message board can get someone so out of sorts there is NO telling what would happen if they had a child murdered. Just saying what I think I've seen.....now for the sake of an argument....I don't know what is in a posters heart. That's true and it's also true not a one here knows what is in the heart of Mr. Goldman. I hope all will at least agree that it's clear Mr. Goldman was devastated over the loss of Ron.

Thanks again socaldiva I appreciate your kindness. IJM

I'm terribly sorry to hear of the loss of your son and my thoughts are with you on this day.

Bless you dear.

Kate

[Its just me]

Nor do I recall the Goldman's making any statements regarding the jury.

You may be correct in your thoughts regarding how Mr. Goldman would have responded had the roles been reversed, but we have no way of knowing that with any amount of certainty.

I just find it sad that some people presume to know the best or most appropriate way for another individual to handle the grief of losing a child. I also find it sad that there are some who speak out so negatively regarding Mr. Goldman's actions in the aftermath but stay mum regarding OJ Simpson's actions in the aftermath.

Kate

I share the same thoughts and Thank You for thinking of me. It's deeply appreciated. IJM

[martin II]

gi

i don't remember the exact comments but Goldman made a rather comprehensive group of commenta directed at those that he thought were responsible for the not guilty verdict from the court house steps.

There has been no lack of comments/suggestions and maby demands by many on what oj should have done based on how some see the case and his action regarding the book. Just as it is claimed that no one knows what drives Goldman, no one knows what drives oj and his reason for the book but that has not stopped the personal attacks on him for the book.Everyone has a opinion , one is no better than another.

No one knows who killed nicole and ron. People just see the testimony differently and base their opinions based on that. But no one really knows.

Goldman has the right to do whatever he believes is his best course of action for him. Suggestions of other options does not change that. imo

[tv]

GreenIce you are so very right about a parent loosing a child....by murder, accident or sickness. I "know" I lost my son in 2005 and it's very difficult to carry on even now. Part of my heart died with my son....It has been hard to even love the things I once loved dearly....but that is beginning to come back. My son was killed in an accident....his death has been devastating and I can't even imagine trying to forgive a murderer if he had been murdered. If there is no heart to love there is no heart to forgive.

I totally agree there is no such thing as closure in the death of a loved one and each has to find their own way to carry on. Wise Words. Thank You.

ETA: With out God....I would NOT have survived loosing my child. I humbly praise HIM.

Its just me, you have my deepest condolences on the loss of your son. I can't imagine a heartbreak any greater than that. God Bless You. Love, tv

[Its just me]

Its just me, you have my deepest condolences on the loss of your son. I can't imagine a heartbreak any greater than that. God Bless You. Love, tv


Thank You TV. I appreciate you. At some point we all will experience the loss of a loved one but with the loved ones I've lost....loosing my son was way worse. I have a heart full of sympathy for Ron's and Nicole's parents. No one knows what they would do under these parents circumstances. They are each different and they each had to deal with thier loss in their own way.

IMHOO there is a hugh difference between these people and OJ Simpson.

[Kayleighjo]

gi

i don't remember the exact comments but Goldman made a rather comprehensive group of commenta directed at those that he thought were responsible for the not guilty verdict from the court house steps.

There has been no lack of comments/suggestions and maby demands by many on what oj should have done based on how some see the case and his action regarding the book. Just as it is claimed that no one knows what drives Goldman, no one knows what drives oj and his reason for the book but that has not stopped the personal attacks on him for the book.Everyone has a opinion , one is no better than another.

No one knows who killed nicole and ron. People just see the testimony differently and base their opinions based on that. But no one really knows.

Goldman has the right to do whatever he believes is his best course of action for him. Suggestions of other options does not change that. imo

Wooooah ~ no comparison even possible!

Fred Goldman's actions are legal and don't hurt anybody other than maybe himself sometimes. Simpson's actions since day 1 have done nothing but hurt other people and alot of his actions are illegal. Hence the reason he's lounging around in the clink.

And what do you mean no one knows why Simpson did the book? He said it was blood money ~ how much more clear can one person be? He yapped nonstop after his acquittal that he just wanted to live his life and not have everything be a big drama or have his kids affected. WTH ~ every dumb assss thing he's done has thrown publicity on those kids and affected them. It's no wonder Sydney said he hates the guy.

Goldman at least was honest from day 1 and said he'd spend the rest of his life trying to make Simpson miserable. Well done Fred!

[Kayleighjo]

Gi my point has always been that it cannot be easy on Fred to wake daily with the job of chasing ojs money, dealing with lawyers,making court appearances in order to be able to say i took ojs money and some tee shirt and pictures and this some how makes Ron rest in peace. Or something like that. The stress must be too much some times. The Amish family decided that
it was not worth it for them to carry the burden of hate and the resulting stress. So they just dispatched it from themselves and continued with other aspects of their lives.

Some how the Browns were able to do something close to this according to Denise Brown.

Denise Brown doesn't = Fred Goldman and Amish people doesn't = Fred Goldman either. Fred Goldman is Fred Goldman and for all we know he wakes up each day with a big ol grin in anticipation of how he might stick it to Simpson next.

[martin II]

Denise Brown doesn't = Fred Goldman and Amish people doesn't = Fred Goldman either. Fred Goldman is Fred Goldman and for all we know he wakes up each day with a big ol grin in anticipation of how he might stick it to Simpson next.

Your post supports my posted idea that everyone has a opinion.One is no better than another. imo

[martin II]

William

Are you here? i have a question.

[GreenIce]

Gi my point has always been that it cannot be easy on Fred to wake daily with the job of chasing ojs money, dealing with lawyers,making court appearances in order to be able to say i took ojs money and some tee shirt and pictures and this some how makes Ron rest in peace. Or something like that. The stress must be too much some times. The Amish family decided that
it was not worth it for them to carry the burden of hate and the resulting stress. So they just dispatched it from themselves and continued with other aspects of their lives.

Some how the Browns were able to do something close to this according to Denise Brown.

Martin,

Mr. Goldman strikes me as the type of person who would have the hardest time doing nothing at all. Nicole's legacy are her children, Ron's legacy is the civil trial judgement. Nicole's family had to make some tough choices in regards to Nicole's children, her legacy. Mr. Goldman has done the same thing.

IMO, Mr. Goldman has turned money into emotion. It is real to him, it is not cold and hard cash, it has taken on a much deeper emotion. It is like he is giving it life when he is going after it. It may not make much sense to you, but that really is how I see it. IMO, it appears to me that longer Mr. Goldman chases the judgement, the longer he lives, the longer his son's name lives in the eyes of the public.

Have you ever read their book? "His Name Is Ron"? It is very easy to understand their pain that Ron was bascially the forgotten victim in the criminal trial. They describe that very well. The civil trial, Ron was front and center and his father believed as he should have, his son's death was just as tragic as Nicole's was and that he would miss his son just as much as Nicole's children would miss her. I think he really wants to make the point that he and his family has suffered just as much, if not more then Nicole's family because he has nothing left of his son---Nicole's family has her children.

I don't see greed as a motive, I really don't. I disagree with you about how hard it must be for Fred do some of the things that he has to do to chase the money. When it comes to our children, the reality is that most of the things were do for our children don't ever seem hard to us. Others may see it that way, but most parents don't look at that way. I hope that makes some sense.

[GreenIce]

gi

i don't remember the exact comments but Goldman made a rather comprehensive group of commenta directed at those that he thought were responsible for the not guilty verdict from the court house steps.

There has been no lack of comments/suggestions and maby demands by many on what oj should have done based on how some see the case and his action regarding the book. Just as it is claimed that no one knows what drives Goldman, no one knows what drives oj and his reason for the book but that has not stopped the personal attacks on him for the book.Everyone has a opinion , one is no better than another.

No one knows who killed nicole and ron. People just see the testimony differently and base their opinions based on that. But no one really knows.

Goldman has the right to do whatever he believes is his best course of action for him. Suggestions of other options does not change that. imo

Martin,

I agree with your post. Many feel they have every right to comment on Simpson and what he has or hasn't done as well as what his motives are. Just as much as I support Goldman's right to do what he has to do, I give the same to Simpson.

In many ways, people refuse to see how much alike these two men are in regards to what people think about them. I don't think either man cares. Several years ago, I was at a book signing for the Goldmans' and they were not treated as I expected they would. Many people who believe Simpson is guilty have very harsh comments for the Goldmans and I know he has heard them. I don't think he cares any more then Simpson does.

I have always posted that neither man would change their stance on the judgement regardless if it was $1,000.00. Simpson said from very early on that he would not willing play a dime for a crime he didn't committ and Fred has said that he doesn't care what or how long it takes to get that dime. I can't fault either man.

I have always and will always support Simpson not paying the judgement. I would never ever pay for a crime I didn't commit. If I was on the other side and it was my son that was killed, I don't know exactly what I would do but I do know that what ever decision I made, I would see it through to the end and I don't think I would care how long it took.

[martin II]

Martin,

Mr. Goldman strikes me as the type of person who would have the hardest time doing nothing at all. Nicole's legacy are her children, Ron's legacy is the civil trial judgement. Nicole's family had to make some tough choices in regards to Nicole's children, her legacy. Mr. Goldman has done the same thing.

IMO, Mr. Goldman has turned money into emotion. It is real to him, it is not cold and hard cash, it has taken on a much deeper emotion. It is like he is giving it life when he is going after it. It may not make much sense to you, but that really is how I see it. IMO, it appears to me that longer Mr. Goldman chases the judgement, the longer he lives, the longer his son's name lives in the eyes of the public.

Have you ever read their book? "His Name Is Ron"? It is very easy to understand their pain that Ron was bascially the forgotten victim in the criminal trial. They describe that very well. The civil trial, Ron was front and center and his father believed as he should have, his son's death was just as tragic as Nicole's was and that he would miss his son just as much as Nicole's children would miss her. I think he really wants to make the point that he and his family has suffered just as much, if not more then Nicole's family because he has nothing left of his son---Nicole's family has her children.

I don't see greed as a motive, I really don't. I disagree with you about how hard it must be for Fred do some of the things that he has to do to chase the money. When it comes to our children, the reality is that most of the things were do for our children don't ever seem hard to us. Others may see it that way, but most parents don't look at that way. I hope that makes some sense.

I think anger management professionals would dissagree with that course of action but sometime people only listen to themselves when they allow anger to takes control. imo

[martin II]

Martin,

I agree with your post. Many feel they have every right to comment on Simpson and what he has or hasn't done as well as what his motives are. Just as much as I support Goldman's right to do what he has to do, I give the same to Simpson.

In many ways, people refuse to see how much alike these two men are in regards to what people think about them. I don't think either man cares. Several years ago, I was at a book signing for the Goldmans' and they were not treated as I expected they would. Many people who believe Simpson is guilty have very harsh comments for the Goldmans and I know he has heard them. I don't think he cares any more then Simpson does.

I have always posted that neither man would change their stance on the judgement regardless if it was $1,000.00. Simpson said from very early on that he would not willing play a dime for a crime he didn't committ and Fred has said that he doesn't care what or how long it takes to get that dime. I can't fault either man.

I have always and will always support Simpson not paying the judgement. I would never ever pay for a crime I didn't commit. If I was on the other side and it was my son that was killed, I don't know exactly what I would do but I do know that what ever decision I made, I would see it through to the end and I don't think I would care how long it took.

You may be correct but i believe there must be a end to everything.The longer the fight the more hate and dissapointment developes and therefore more reasons to figh harder.

OJ will never accumulate $33 milliom dollars that fred can get. So it is like chasing something that has no realistic possibility of him being successful.

If fred has no other challange or dreams in life i guess he may remain stuck
in the life of oj simpson. But in that case fred does not have control of his own life. OJs actions are controlling freds life.

imo

[GreenIce]

You may be correct but i believe there must be a end to everything.The longer the fight the more hate and dissapointment developes and therefore more reasons to figh harder.

OJ will never accumulate $33 milliom dollars that fred can get. So it is like chasing something that has no realistic possibility of him being successful.

If fred has no other challange or dreams in life i guess he may remain stuck
in the life of oj simpson. But in that case fred does not have control of his own life. OJs actions are controlling freds life.

imo

Martin,

You may very well be right. However, IMO, Goldman is chasing something that he does not want to catch, he never wanted to catch it, he just wants to run at it as hard as he can.

[GreenIce]

I think anger management professionals would dissagree with that course of action but sometime people only listen to themselves when they allow anger to takes control. imo

Martin,

Again, you may be right, but then again, there may be some anger management professionals who feel what Goldman is doing is working for him. To the best of my knowledge his marriage is still in tact, he still has a relationship with his daughter and her son.

While Mr. Goldman's heart may be cold in pursuit of the judgement, there is no evidence that it is cold and unresponsive to other joys that have come into his life since Ron's death, like the birth of grandson. I don't know if Kim has had other children or if his step children have married and have children.

I do know that several years ago, he moved from CA to Arizona and he said that he needed to get out of CA. He may be on much more even keel then you think.

However, I do believe it is much, much harder to hate then it is to love and I do think hates takes more out of you then love. Yet, if that hate helps you to honor someone, then maybe it works. I don't know.

[martin II]

OJ wrote the manuscript and sold it to HC

The judge gave fred the manuscript and he sold it to book retailers.

Yet oj is the bad guy and fred is the good guy. For some.

[martin II]

Martin,

Again, you may be right, but then again, there may be some anger management professionals who feel what Goldman is doing is working for him. To the best of my knowledge his marriage is still in tact, he still has a relationship with his daughter and her son.

While Mr. Goldman's heart may be cold in pursuit of the judgement, there is no evidence that it is cold and unresponsive to other joys that have come into his life since Ron's death, like the birth of grandson. I don't know if Kim has had other children or if his step children have married and have children.

I do know that several years ago, he moved from CA to Arizona and he said that he needed to get out of CA. He may be on much more even keel then you think.

However, I do believe it is much, much harder to hate then it is to love and I do think hates takes more out of you then love. Yet, if that hate helps you to honor someone, then maybe it works. I don't know.

Some have said that the dead should have been honored while alive so as to allow them to know and feel your love.There is nothing that ron can know as to what fred is doing. When i hear honor my family member i think people are doing that to secure respect from their living friends. Not the dead.

The move to Arizona was to take a radio show job. i think.

I agree that fred may get fuel from the reception he gets from various tv shows and this causes him to understand that some approve of his actions.

There will be no money exchange while oj is in jail.So we will see where it stands when he gets out.
I am sure fred wants the money. Freds actions shows that getting money is at least one of his motives. imo

[GreenIce]

Some have said that the dead should have been honored while alive so as to allow them to know and feel your love.There is nothing that ron can know as to what fred is doing. When i hear honor my family member i think people are doing that to secure respect from their living friends. Not the dead.

The move to Arizona was to take a radio show job. i think.

I agree that fred may get fuel from the reception he gets from various tv shows and this causes him to understand that some approve of his actions.

There will be no money exchange while oj is in jail.So we will see where it stands when he gets out.
I am sure fred wants the money.

Martin,

Because of my faith and my experience with death, I respectfully disagree with you. I do believe in angels and I do believe in guardian angels and I do believe our loved ones know how we honor them after they pass. However, I think they also know how we dishonor them after they pass.

Mr. Goldman for the most part has never carried the banner for other victims. His role as an advocate did not take the same form that Mark Klaas or John Walsh took on, however, that does not mean that he is not an inspiration to other people who have gone through the same thing.

Also, you have to remember, there was no way for Mr. Goldman, or any parent to ever believe their child will die before them. I am sure that Mr. Goldman never expected that he would be in the position that was in.

Again, I don't Mr. think Goldman wants the money---I think he wants to makes to make sure that for every day that Simpson is alive, he will be forced to think of Ron Goldman. He wants to make Simpson's life miserable and he believes the only way to do that is through his wallet.

I am sure Mr. Goldman had several offers, I am sure that many of them probably were in CA. Accepting one from a different state, IMO, does indicated a need to get away from CA.