Random Discussions On The Case

[martin II]

I haven't read it. I don't see any depositions by Bruce or Kris Jenner. Maybe I'm overlooking them. I don't see what Faye's drug addiction has to do with Simpson killing Ron and Nicole. There is no evidence that they were killed by anyone besides OJ Simpson and certainly not by Columbian drug lords. Faye would be little beans to a Columbian drug cartel. Speaking of Jason Simpson, I've read his civil trial testimony and I don't think it was particularly slanted toward his father. This is from his deposition:

Q: Okay. At any point in time from the moment you learned of Nicole's death to the present, did you ever form a belief that your father might be responsible for these deaths?

MR. LEONARD: I am going to object as it's not relevant, calls for speculation, lack of foundation.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: You may answer.

A: I never formed a belief, no.

Q: Did you ever form a suspicion?

MR. LEONARD: Objection. Same objections.

THE WITNESS: I formed a suspicion.


i think most peoples initial impression is that the ex killed the wife in most cases.that is the way we have been trained.
what did jason say his suspicion was?

[William Anthony]

The gloves were were not expensive when compared to prices of simular gloves in various shops.455.00is a medium priced dress glove and they were not cold weather gloves as has been stated.

Let me see if I have the prosecutions theory of the murders correct on certain points, according to your understanding. Simpson alerted Kato to the fact that he was leaving his premises in order to establish an alibi :shrug: but when Kato asked to go with him, Simpson did not refuse the request. :shrug: Simpson and Kato went to get something to eat, returned to Rockingham but Simpson did not change his plans to commit murder. Instead he attired himself in a dark cotton sweat suit on a mid-June night and some sort of wool or cotton cap and dress socks and casual dress shoes so that he would not be recognized or draw attention to himself.:shrug:

[martin II]

She was still suffering through withdrawl on that Saturday. He saw her and she was not doing well.

GI

I saw a picture of Faye and two ladies at a vegas club about 1-2 years ago and she did not look that good then.

[old_soul]

Correction to your post'
The glove was not rare at all Bloomingdales purchased 10,ooo pair.Bloomingdales did not sell the shoes to oj. The gloves were not cold weather gloves as you have previously said. they were thin dress leather gloves not for cold weather yet you believe oj wore them in cold weather.

You make many comments and state them as fact yet at the same time you say you have no proof or 'I don't know" It is difficult to know what you know as fact and what you are just guessing on.

Links were already posted on the gloves and shoes. They are rare. You are arguing a fact. Your quote of 10,000 pairs is for the whole of Bloomies stores. The sale of 200 or so from the NYC stores is a drop in the bucket compared to the 8 million people in NYC. The mere fact that he wore them is a statement unto itself. Funny that they should show up at that particular crime scene. Then we have the shoes. OJS LIED about owning them. There are pictures as proof of his lies. Why, Martin? Where did his ugly a** shoes disappear to? Same for his gloves, he wore them. Where did his gloves disappear to. Here in NYC I wear my very thin, beautiful leather gloves, but they are not for warmth. Seems California has people wearing funky fur and sheep boots, UGGs and EMUS just to wear them....with shorts!!! Him using those gloves is no long stretch..he had them and they are thin enough to be able to work with.

[William Anthony]

There were never any gloves produced that fit Simpson's hands nor wear there any shoes produced that he wore on the night of the murders, except the sneakers he said he wore.

[martin II]

Let me see if I have the prosecutions theory of the murders correct on certain points, according to your understanding. Simpson alerted Kato to the fact that he was leaving his premises in order to establish an alibi :shrug: but when Kato asked to go with him, Simpson did not refuse the request. :shrug: Simpson and Kato went to get something to eat, returned to Rockingham but Simpson did not change his plans to commit murder. Instead he attired himself in a dark cotton sweat suit on a mid-June night and some sort of wool or cotton cap and dress socks and casual dress shoes so that he would not be recognized or draw attention to himself.:shrug:

Some have offered a different view

That oj had no intention to kill nicole until he was riding around in his bronco.
got the dumping phone call from paula, lost control of himself and drove to bundy knocked on nicoles door she answered and he commenced to stab her.
I think they wanted us to assume that he carried a knife around all the time.

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

And I mean no disrespect but you know, we don't the dynamics of the Browns relationship with Simpson or if, if in his position it was all that weird. As far as I now, only one "friend" has said that this was the case.

There is no evidence to support that the Browns loved their lifestyle more then they loved their daughter. If this was the case, then Nicole never would have asked for the separation. She would have put up with all the affairs and suffered in silence. Nicole does not strike me as one to do that.

It is very, very difficult when you have been married for years and years and you have children and then get a divorce. Are you suppose to hate your in laws now and they hate you? OJ sharing his wealth with his family and friends is not uncommon for someone in his position. As for Nicole's parents letting her date him because he was much older then her, well Nicole was raised European. They don't have the same age hang ups as some people do over here.

I truly dont' recall any other of Nicole's friends saying the Browns wanted Nicole to stay with OJ because of the money.

We have heard from multiple people that the Brown family was not supportive of Nicole's decision to divorce OJ Simpson. We heard it from Faye Resnick, Linda Schulman, Kris Kardashian, Robin Grier, and Terri Baker.

I didn't mention anything regarding their age difference, but regardless I don't believe that there was an issue with anyone "letting" her date him considering that she was 18 years of age at the time and legally an adult.

As far as the question of "are you supposed to hate your in-laws" I would say that if your in-law happens to be an individual that you know is being physical with your daughter/sister then yes, I do believe that well before the divorce you should hate him.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Some have offered a different view

That oj had no intention to kill nicole until he was riding around in his bronco.
got the dumping phone call from paula, lost control of himself and drove to bundy knocked on nicoles door she answered and he commenced to stab her.
I think they wanted us to assume that he carried a knife around all the time.

The Swiss knife box found in the bathroom is what the prosecution wanted to believe was the possible murder weapon, meaning the knife not the box. :) So, if as some theorize Simpson got rid of the knife before he went upstairs, why was the box on the bathtub? Certainly he wanted to clean himself of blood, if he was the killer. Why bring the knife box into the bathroom, when according to the theory of some he had already disposed of the knife? Maybe, he wanted to give LE some clues.:shrug:

[William Anthony]

A sweat suit allegedly found with lingerie in a washing machine did not look out of place but a pair of socks on a bedroom floor did?:shrug:

[old_soul]

Old Soul,

I posted basically that the procedure for checking a woman for sperm is called a "rape kit". However, this procedure is not strictly or is only done when a woman has been sexually assaulted. The results of the rape kit may indicate that the woman may have been sexually active right before the time of death. The point is, this was another valuable tool in helping define the time of death that the police declined to use.

Also, it is not the responsibility for the LAPD to dictate to the medical examiner on what they should be looking for inside a victim. The fact that Lange or Vanatter did not believe that Nicole was sexually assaulted had no bearing or should have no bearing on the standard procedures of the ME.

In Shelia Weller's Book, she says that Nicole was expecting a guest that night. Faye Resnick also said that Nicole did or was going to Marcus Allen that night. A man's jean jacket was found in the kitchen and then disappeared. The candles, the music, the setting could have easily have been described as a romantic setting--wasn't that Riske's impression of it? The candles around the tub.

Old Soul, how does Nicole's stomach contents just disappear? Don't you find that odd? When you add up all the "evidence" that wasn't collected and lost, that should be an extremely impressive list and one that makes it clear, IMO, that the evidence in this case can't be trusted.

Expecting a guest later or going out later is one thing. Also, if Nicole was using birth control (condom), there is no way to determine if she had sex prior to her death, but that is a moot point anyway. She had dinner with her family, brought the kids for ice cream and went home. The ice cream found in the container wasn't fully melted. The stomach contents were not digested, and showed exactly what she ate. A timeline of digestive contents gives a reasonable amount of time of her death. As I believe Martin said, the contents getting thrown out ~ happens often, I'm sure, in coroners offices.

I have a jacuzzi, and I have candles and music in my bathtub. It is not a romantic setting in itelf. It's a great way to relax after a crazy day. She was doing the same thing I and millions of others do often.

Can you post a link about the jean jacket? I still have mine (mens levi) and it's 20 years old! Don't wear it much anymore though......

[martin II]

Links were already posted on the gloves and shoes. They are rare. You are arguing a fact. Your quote of 10,000 pairs is for the whole of Bloomies stores. The sale of 200 or so from the NYC stores is a drop in the bucket compared to the 8 million people in NYC. The mere fact that he wore them is a statement unto itself. Funny that they should show up at that particular crime scene. Then we have the shoes. OJS LIED about owning them. There are pictures as proof of his lies. Why, Martin? Where did his ugly a** shoes disappear to? Same for his gloves, he wore them. Where did his gloves disappear to. Here in NYC I wear my very thin, beautiful leather gloves, but they are not for warmth. Seems California has people wearing funky fur and sheep boots, UGGs and EMUS just to wear them....with shorts!!! Him using those gloves is no long stretch..he had them and they are thin enough to be able to work with.


It is reported that Nicole purchased two pair of gloves we don't know what color or what model as bloomingdales could not ver Aris to identify the id number as the same as what they used. Nicole gave at least one pair of the gloves to a friend. 10,000 pair gloves was a large order for the small number of bloomingdales store in existance at that time. Rubin testified after looking at those pictures that he could not tell what color the gloves were. Aris was not the only company tham manufactured gloves using that whip stitch as Rubin tried to tell the jury.Singer sewing machine company had made and sold that Machine for years.

Fine nappa leather is used only for dress wear whether shoes or gloves because it is so thin. Oj would have had many more options of gloves to wear in a place like Buffalo ny for wormth which he obviously would need and as the bloomingdales sales manager said 'He did not sell Oj any Bm shoes and would not have for what he was going to do at a game in Buffalo in all the smow"
The shoe expert traveled all the way to italy and was never able to produce
the bm size 12 he says made the shoe prints and he tried tio ignore the fact that another very large internaitonal shoe company used that same designed shoe sole on their Shoes.
The last issue is there was no proof that nicole in fact gave oj a pair of the gloves she purchased at Bloomingdales just a lot of i guess she did or she must have or it think she gave him a pair.

[martin II]

Expecting a guest later or going out later is one thing. Also, if Nicole was using birth control (condom), there is no way to determine if she had sex prior to her death, but that is a moot point anyway. She had dinner with her family, brought the kids for ice cream and went home. The ice cream found in the container wasn't fully melted. The stomach contents were not digested, and showed exactly what she ate. A timeline of digestive contents gives a reasonable amount of time of her death. As I believe Martin said, the contents getting thrown out ~ happens often, I'm sure, in coroners offices.

I have a jacuzzi, and I have candles and music in my bathtub. It is not a romantic setting in itelf. It's a great way to relax after a crazy day. She was doing the same thing I and millions of others do often.

Can you post a link about the jean jacket? I still have mine (mens levi) and it's 20 years old! Don't wear it much anymore though......


Martin never said stomach contents being tossed out happens, i asked that quesiton.

faye told Cora that in her 6/12 conversation with nicole nicole told her that ron was comming over and that she,nicole intended to try him out because Ron had been hitting on her.That may be why the candels came out.

When the stomach contents were tossed it was impossible for the defence to verify what it contained. If vanhatter had called the coronor when the bodies were found the time of death could have been set before rigo had begun to set in but for some reason he didn't.
These two actions caused the problem with time of Death.

[weezer]

fgump2,

I believe Clark, Vanatter and Lange believed Simpson was guilty. However, I do believe Clark sought victory over justice. I have posted my opinons on this case and while you may see it one way, I see it another.

In all fairness to me, don't you think that you and some other G's are transfering your morals and ethics on to the date's witnesess? Perfect example is the glove, many G's believe had another detective or cop seen MF pick up the second glove, they would have reported it. Or that no one would plant evidence in any murder case let alone a high profile case against a world famous athlete. It seems to me that G's do acknowledge that police have been involved in misconduct in the past but never would have done it in this case.

His anger at the Goldmans and the Browns is understandable. Heck, I am mad at them. As far as the police, there was no sense getting into a war with them because it would prove nothing if he took them on. The Goldmans and the Browns should have fought this battle, IMO.

I think the rule of thumb for the time death, depending on the circumstances is three hours. However, the LAPD had plent of "clocks" to use to narrow this down, to the best of my knowledge they did not use them. Or they could have used them and we just don't know about it.

Example, a rape kit was not done on Nicole, why? Lange said there was no evidence to suggest that a sexual assault took place so he did not order one. That makes no sense because "rape kits" are not just used in sexual assault cases. And to be honest, why is Lange, a detective giving orders to the ME? I would think the ME would have his own check list to follow--how could a detective waive this?

Also, there was evidence that Nicole did have a guest that night and it may have gotten intimate---did they check her panties for any type of sexual residue? Her stomach contents were thrown out yet Goldman's wasn't. Lange and Vanatter did not bring it to Dr. Golden's attention that he just tossed Nicole's stomach contents?

you have just posted a tirade of unsupportable, illogical crap. good job!

[martin II]

A sweat suit allegedly found with lingerie in a washing machine did not look out of place but a pair of socks on a bedroom floor did?:shrug:

A pair of socks on the bedroom floor looked out of place but the leather strap on the bed didn't. It was very possible that le took a pair of socks from ojs clothes closet took a photo of them and left with them for later planting or as some have said back up evidence.

[martin II]

The Swiss knife box found in the bathroom is what the prosecution wanted to believe was the possible murder weapon, meaning the knife not the box. :) So, if as some theorize Simpson got rid of the knife before he went upstairs, why was the box on the bathtub? Certainly he wanted to clean himself of blood, if he was the killer. Why bring the knife box into the bathroom, when according to the theory of some he had already disposed of the knife? Maybe, he wanted to give LE some clues.:shrug:

Someone also told Clarke that oj had purchased a 12 inch knife atr some knife store.She grabbed it and ran with it as the murder weapon until trhe grand master retrieved the knife from ojs house and told the court it had never been used for anything. I think Clarke relalized ealy on that her case was not a mountain of evidence this is why she told the media it was but it was falling apart in front of her face.At some point she realized that she needed more and that is when the sock came out.

[weezer]

Correction to your post'
The glove was not rare at all Bloomingdales purchased 10,ooo pair.Bloomingdales did not sell the shoes to oj. The gloves were not cold weather gloves as you have previously said. they were thin dress leather gloves not for cold weather yet you believe oj wore them in cold weather.

You make many comments and state them as fact yet at the same time you say you have no proof or 'I don't know" It is difficult to know what you know as fact and what you are just guessing on.

Receipts proved that Nicole bought two pair of thin leather gloves --

Video proved that orenthal DID wear thin leather gloves in cold weather --

[martin II]

Receipts proved that Nicole bought two pair of thin leather gloves --

Video proved that orenthal DID wear thin leather gloves in cold weather --

Rubin could not identify the color of the gloves he said he knew so well.
A two months graphic artist student can place you head on ojs body and make it appear that it was you.

[martin II]

you have just posted a tirade of unsupportable, illogical crap. good job!

I believe there is other language you could use to show you dissaproval of the posters comments.
I consider your comments to be very rude.

[martin II]

Expecting a guest later or going out later is one thing. Also, if Nicole was using birth control (condom), there is no way to determine if she had sex prior to her death, but that is a moot point anyway. She had dinner with her family, brought the kids for ice cream and went home. The ice cream found in the container wasn't fully melted. The stomach contents were not digested, and showed exactly what she ate. A timeline of digestive contents gives a reasonable amount of time of her death. As I believe Martin said, the contents getting thrown out ~ happens often, I'm sure, in coroners offices.

I have a jacuzzi, and I have candles and music in my bathtub. It is not a romantic setting in itelf. It's a great way to relax after a crazy day. She was doing the same thing I and millions of others do often.

Can you post a link about the jean jacket? I still have mine (mens levi) and it's 20 years old! Don't wear it much anymore though......

everyone that has posted here for some period knows that a jean jacket said to a mans was found in nicoles living room or kitchen on the back of a chair by one of the detectives first on the scene. It dissapeared or was never discussed or used as evidence after the first day he saw it.no need for a link.

[tv]

Rubin could not identify the color of the gloves he said he knew so well.
A two months graphic artist student can place you head on ojs body and make it appear that it was you.

The photos were authenticated.

[tv]

you know that presumptive blood test only means that the spot could be blood, not that it is.it could also be false positive just as well.The da did no presumptive test on either.i think it was lee.

Please see post #3730.

[martin II]

What evidence was there of Nicole having a guest there before her death, and gotten intimate?!

Was this after Mezzaluna going home with her kids? This was not about rape, it was passion and rage and very personal. The 'controlling' was done with a knife instead of forced sex. First you said she had a guest then you talk about a rape..where are you going with that?

Her stomach contents were not purposely 'dumped'. They did disappear though. No one knows how. :cool:

Dumped, loss, trashed, tossed, dissapeard all sound alike. Done on purpose.

[tv]

Cleaning up their foot prints?

They certainly didn't do a very good job.

[tv]

When Heidstra reached Bundy & Gorham he saw or heard the dog BARKING louldly.when he was in the alley he heard the dog barking and when he was on bundy he heard the dog Barking.So i don't know about other Akitas but that dog BARKED a lot that night. The problem for the prosecution was different neighbors gave a wide range of times when they heard the dog bark,from10;15 up to 11;00 pm it is not wise to determine the time of death by when a dog barked or did not bark or when someone heard it bark.

No one has given proof of how the dog actually got out of the yard to the street. He walked through the open gate.

[old_soul]

Martin never said stomach contents being tossed out happens, i asked that quesiton.

faye told Cora that in her 6/12 conversation with nicole nicole told her that ron was comming over and that she,nicole intended to try him out because Ron had been hitting on her.That may be why the candels came out.

When the stomach contents were tossed it was impossible for the defence to verify what it contained. If vanhatter had called the coronor when the bodies were found the time of death could have been set before rigo had begun to set in but for some reason he didn't.
These two actions caused the problem with time of Death.


MARTIN~ Read your post. Are you speaking as William or as Martin? Do you have multiple personality disorder? Do you think that we have not noticed that your words mimic each other? Is this a game you're playing?

AND ....I suggest you go back and REread. The stomach contents were already determined by the link I provided much earlier. Impossible for the defense to verify what it contained? WHAT? The only ones who didn't want to accept what was found seems to be the defense and those who refuse to believe what was found.

Weezers comment was not rude....and those other words she could have chose...? She showed kindness in NOT using them.

[tv]

Presumptive blood test means what to you?The same thing it means to you. Why do you keep asking me this?

[martin II]

Please see post #3730.

I got it. thanks

[tv]

Dumped, loss, trashed, tossed, dissapeard all sound alike. Done on purpose. No proof it was done on purpose.

[martin II]

MARTIN~ Read your post. Are you speaking as William or as Martin? Do you have multiple personality disorder? Do you think that we have not noticed that your words mimic each other? Is this a game you're playing?

AND ....I suggest you go back and REread. The stomach contents were already determined by the link I provided much earlier. Impossible for the defense to verify what it contained? WHAT? The only ones who didn't want to accept what was found seems to be the defense and those who refuse to believe what was found.

Weezers comment was not rude....and those other words she could have chose...? She showed kindness in NOT using them.

I speak for my self and i am sure william speaks for himself.I am not aware of any multiple personality disorder that i have but it would be easy for me to believe that the one making the claim may be the hoast of such a problem.

If you have some comments you would like to make about what is strange about william and myself agreeing on issues just lady up and say it.

[old_soul]

everyone that has posted here for some period knows that a jean jacket said to a mans was found in nicoles living room or kitchen on the back of a chair by one of the detectives first on the scene. It dissapeared or was never discussed or used as evidence after the first day he saw it.no need for a link.

I always try to provide a link if I am asked. Doesn't matter who has posted or for how long ~ "everyone knows" is not fact. The reason why I asked for it? I want to be shown why it figures in that it was a guest, as opposed to Nic or a family member...why should it just disappear?

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GreenIce, are you saying there was something underhanded done or ....?

[martin II]

The same thing it means to you. Why do you keep asking me this?

I thought you referred to it again a few post back.

[Kate Sachel]

Old Soul,

I posted basically that the procedure for checking a woman for sperm is called a "rape kit". However, this procedure is not strictly or is only done when a woman has been sexually assaulted. The results of the rape kit may indicate that the woman may have been sexually active right before the time of death. The point is, this was another valuable tool in helping define the time of death that the police declined to use.

Also, it is not the responsibility for the LAPD to dictate to the medical examiner on what they should be looking for inside a victim. The fact that Lange or Vanatter did not believe that Nicole was sexually assaulted had no bearing or should have no bearing on the standard procedures of the ME.

In Shelia Weller's Book, she says that Nicole was expecting a guest that night. Faye Resnick also said that Nicole did or was going to Marcus Allen that night. A man's jean jacket was found in the kitchen and then disappeared. The candles, the music, the setting could have easily have been described as a romantic setting--wasn't that Riske's impression of it? The candles around the tub.

Old Soul, how does Nicole's stomach contents just disappear? Don't you find that odd? When you add up all the "evidence" that wasn't collected and lost, that should be an extremely impressive list and one that makes it clear, IMO, that the evidence in this case can't be trusted.

Yet everyone who Nicole said that she always had candles lit around the house and soft music playing. For her, I don't believe it showed a romantic intent.

I have never heard information regarding a jean jacket, can you provide your source?

Kate

[tv]

TV,

Ron's blood was found in the Bronco around mid August. Michelle Kessler "wished" Fung had taken more of a sample from the inside she then sends him out to get more. In this "more", he gets a tiny sample of Ron's blood in a mixture. However, before he goes back do this, there were how many people inside that Bronco and how many did not see the blood?

When did the lab say they tested the "second" round of samples from the Bronco?

Bottom line, there is no way to prove that what was on the AC unit was blood. There is no proof that if this was blood to prove it was human or from an animal. However, people keep on insisting that this spot that was tested for blood is in fact blood and it is OJ Simpson's and therefore that is proof he was back there that night. The only proof of blood found behind that wall was a on an over hanging wire and that blood was not human.

You are wrong. It was not months before Ron's blood was found. I've posted all I know and believe to be true about the blood on the air conditioning unit in post #3730. Where did you read or hear that it was nonhuman?

The proof he was back there isn't because of a presumptive test for blood on the AC unit. The proof is the glove which had on it the DNA of OJ Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.

[Kate Sachel]

I always try to provide a link if I am asked. Doesn't matter who has posted or for how long ~ "everyone knows" is not fact. The reason why I asked for it? I want to be shown why it figures in that it was a guest, as opposed to Nic or a family member...why should it just disappear?

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GreenIce, are you saying there was something underhanded done or ....?

Don't worry about it; I have posted here for years and cannot recall discussion regarding the jean jacket and thus, I too, asked for the source of the information.

Kate

[martin II]

I always try to provide a link if I am asked. Doesn't matter who has posted or for how long ~ "everyone knows" is not fact. The reason why I asked for it? I want to be shown why it figures in that it was a guest, as opposed to Nic or a family member...why should it just disappear?

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GreenIce, are you saying there was something underhanded done or ....?

It was Riski or another first on the scene officere that was in niciles house making notes of what they found.ice cream cup candles etc.

A denium mens jacket was found on the back of the chair at that time.It was noted in the notes.Some thought it may have been a jacket belong to sone vuisitor at nicloes. The jacket never showed up as evidence in either trial and was not discussed by anyone after that first day.Someone obviously removed it from the house and oprevented it from beging seen by the defence or anyone else. The question is why.
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I think all of the regulars here knew about the jacket,Those that are kinda new have to read back.

[old_soul]

I speak for my self and i am sure william speaks for himself.I am not aware of any multiple personality disorder that i have but it would be easy for me to believe that the one making the claim may be the hoast of such a problem.

If you have some comments you would like to make about what is strange about william and myself agreeing on issues just lady up and say it.

You are trying to finagle out of this one. I asked you to reread your post, and whom was speaking. Your faux pas was quite obvious to all.

You wrote:QUOTE: " Martin never said stomach contents tossed out happens, i asked that question."

My prior post speaks for itself. You know not what you say..or can't remember. Which is it?

I don't play games like that.

[martin II]

You are wrong. It was not months before Ron's blood was found. I've posted all I know and believe to be true about the blood on the air conditioning unit in post #3730. Where did you read or hear that it was nonhuman?

The proof he was back there isn't because of a presumptive test for blood on the AC unit. The proof is the glove which had on it the DNA of OJ Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.

The option is a glove was placed there by someone and we don;t know whoes blood was on it when it was found. That the lab had the blood of all three peiople we believe were at bundy and could do what they thought would support their case with the blood. Ask Mozzola and CY.

[tv]

The option is a glove was placed there by someone and we don;t know whoes blood was on it when it was found. That the lab had the blood of all three peiople we believe were at bundy and could do what they thought would support their case with the blood. Ask Mozzola and CY.
You have no proof that anyone planted the glove. Since the blood of OJ Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman was found on the glove I'll go with it being deposited by the one still living that had a motive, opportunity, cuts on his left hand, missing luggage, missing clothing, conflicting alibis and owner of the property where the glove was found. You know what they say -- three people can keep a secet if two of them are dead.

[martin II]

You are trying to finagle out of this one. I asked you to reread your post, and whom was speaking. Your faux pas was quite obvious to all.

You wrote:QUOTE: " Martin never said stomach contents tossed out happens, i asked that question."

My prior post speaks for itself. You know not what you say..or can't remember. Which is it?

I don't play games like that.

Here is my post on the autopsy suibject, you cannot twist this into something
that you believe it says.

Why would i choose you to play games with.

Dr L dissagreed with Dr Goldens, who actually did the autopsy and claimed Golden made som 30 mistakes. Dr L who did not do the sutposy pushed Golden aside and gave the report himself. Goldens report said that it was possible that two knifes were used Dr L dissagreed.
I wonder how many times this had happened at the Cornors office.

The false accusations and your harsh and rude post to me has caused me to adopt williams solution to your post.I will just ignore them as i really have found little value in them so far.

[martin II]

You have no proof that anyone planted the glove. Since the blood of OJ Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman was found on the glove I'll go with it being deposited by the one still living that had a motive, opportunity, cuts on his left hand, missing luggage, missing clothing, conflicting alibis and owner of the property where the glove was found. You know what they say -- three people can keep a secet if two of them are dead.

I agree we don't know how it got where Furhman said he found it.

[William Anthony]

You are trying to finagle out of this one. I asked you to reread your post, and whom was speaking. Your faux pas was quite obvious to all.

You wrote:QUOTE: " Martin never said stomach contents tossed out happens, i asked that question."

My prior post speaks for itself. You know not what you say..or can't remember. Which is it?

I don't play games like that.

I usually don't respond directly to your posts as I have noticed things in them that cause me to so do. However, with that said, I do believe that it is against the rules to attempt to out a person on this board. I think it is also against the rules to falsely accuse someone. As to the quote you provided from Martin, I will not address the obvious. I would only ask that you stop making false accusations and say that I have said great minds think alike. :)

[martin II]

No proof it was done on purpose.

ok

examine the stomach contents
makes notes
bag them and label them
put them with the rest of the stuff for storage or what ever,
The porter comes by selects the stomach contents, puts it in his bucket and then to the trash on the back porch.

[tv]

ok

examine the stomach contents
makes notes
bag them and label them
put them with the rest of the stuff for storage or what ever,
The porter comes by selects the stomach contents, puts it in his bucket and then to the trash on the back porch.

If you say so. :)

[William Anthony]

You have no proof that anyone planted the glove. Since the blood of OJ Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman was found on the glove I'll go with it being deposited by the one still living that had a motive, opportunity, cuts on his left hand, missing luggage, missing clothing, conflicting alibis and owner of the property where the glove was found. You know what they say -- three people can keep a secet if two of them are dead.

No one has proof but there is evidence from which reasonable inferences can be drawn as to what the proof is. You are wrong about it being deposited by the one still living, imho. There are more still living but I can readily think of another, based on the evidence, who had motive, means and opportunity to plant the glove and has admitted, whether one considers it fictional or not, to planting/fabricating/manipulating/creating evidence.

[martin II]

No proof it was done on purpose.

just another little mistake.

Are we sure they did not get nicoles body parts mixed up with another persons.

[tv]

No one has proof but there is evidence from which reasonable inferences can be drawn as to what the proof is. You are wrong about it being deposited by the one still living, imho. There are more still living but I can readily think of another, based on the evidence, who had motive, means and opportunity to plant the glove and has admitted, whether one considers it fictional or not, to planting/fabricating/manipulating/creating evidence.

Mark Fuhrman walked through the Rockingham house, which had been locked, before he found the glove. If he was such a master planter why wouldn't he have left it in the house? At the time he found the glove he didn't know if Kato had done a search of that area with a strong flashlight so for all he knew Kato knew exactly what was and was not back there. The Det. Fuhrman glove planting theory is ridiculous.

[tv]

just another little mistake.

Are we sure they did not get nicoles body parts mixed up with another persons.I thought you said the porter threw the stomach contents out with the trash.

[old_soul]

Here is my post on the autopsy suibject, you cannot twist this into something
that you believe it says.

Why would i choose you to play games with.

Dr L dissagreed with Dr Goldens, who actually did the autopsy and claimed Golden made som 30 mistakes. Dr L who did not do the sutposy pushed Golden aside and gave the report himself. Goldens report said that it was possible that two knifes were used Dr L dissagreed.
I wonder how many times this had happened at the Cornors office.

Yes, I went back to reread, I concede, Martin, it was a question.

I would still like to know which persona responded, as it is not often that other men I post with speak in the 3rd person (if that is the case)

And it would not only be me that the games are being played with, now would it?

No links for the jacket either, then?

[martin II]

I thought you said the porter threw the stomach contents out with the trash.

i did
but there were other body parts in the room.

[tv]

i did
but there were other body parts in the room.
Maybe he threw all the loose body parts in the trash too.

[William Anthony]

Mark Fuhrman walked through the Rockingham house, which had been locked, before he found the glove. If he was such a master planter why wouldn't he have left it in the house? At the time he found the glove he didn't know if Kato had done a search of that area with a strong flashlight so for all he knew Kato knew exactly what was and was not back there. The Det. Fuhrman glove planting theory is ridiculous.

MF had been told about the thumps and a master planted would think that would be a likely place to plant evidence. Let's not forget that MF testified that he thought no one had been in that area before him. It is ridiculous to think that someone with MF's, admitted and by the evidence heard. history could not have planted the glove, imho.

[tv]

MF had been told about the thumps and a master planted would think that would be a likely place to plant evidence. Let's not forget that MF testified that he thought no one had been in that area before him. It is ridiculous to think that someone with MF's, admitted and by the evidence heard. history could not have planted the glove, imho.When he walked through the house he didn't know about the thumps. Why wouldn't he have just planted the glove in the house? He didn't know there would be a report of thumps behind the bungalows.

[weezer]

It is reported that Nicole purchased two pair of gloves we don't know what color or what model as bloomingdales could not ver Aris to identify the id number as the same as what they used. Nicole gave at least one pair of the gloves to a friend. 10,000 pair gloves was a large order for the small number of bloomingdales store in existance at that time. Rubin testified after looking at those pictures that he could not tell what color the gloves were. Aris was not the only company tham manufactured gloves using that whip stitch as Rubin tried to tell the jury.Singer sewing machine company had made and sold that Machine for years.

Fine nappa leather is used only for dress wear whether shoes or gloves because it is so thin. Oj would have had many more options of gloves to wear in a place like Buffalo ny for wormth which he obviously would need and as the bloomingdales sales manager said 'He did not sell Oj any Bm shoes and would not have for what he was going to do at a game in Buffalo in all the smow"
The shoe expert traveled all the way to italy and was never able to produce
the bm size 12 he says made the shoe prints and he tried tio ignore the fact that another very large internaitonal shoe company used that same designed shoe sole on their Shoes.
The last issue is there was no proof that nicole in fact gave oj a pair of the gloves she purchased at Bloomingdales just a lot of i guess she did or she must have or it think she gave him a pair.

But orenthal DID wear the gloves in cold weather -- whether other gloves were available or made more sense doens't matter -- he DID wear those thin leather gloves in cold weather.

Nicole purchased the gloves (proof: receipt) and orenthal wore (proof: video)

[weezer]

A sweat suit allegedly found with lingerie in a washing machine did not look out of place but a pair of socks on a bedroom floor did?:shrug:

I said I was ready to concede that orenthal must have been wearing the women's lingerie under the dark sweat suit kato said he saw him in earlier that night. :eek:

and yes, socks left laying on an otherwise clean room floor would look out of place compared to a load of freshly washed clothes.

[William Anthony]

When he walked through the house he didn't know about the thumps. Why wouldn't he have just planted the glove in the house? He didn't know there would be a report of thumps behind the bungalows.

No one is saying that MF was in a rush to plant the glove. A master planter would seize on the perfect opportunity to plant evidence and cast suspicion away from himself, imho. The opportunity presented itself in the form of three thumps on a wall not in the house but behind Kato's quarters.

[weezer]

everyone that has posted here for some period knows that a jean jacket said to a mans was found in nicoles living room or kitchen on the back of a chair by one of the detectives first on the scene. It dissapeared or was never discussed or used as evidence after the first day he saw it.no need for a link.

I've posted here for some period and there has never been proof of any sort offered about a man's jean jacket at the crime scene disappearing. or maybe I'm wrong and you can link us to that proof?

[old_soul]

I usually don't respond directly to your posts as I have noticed things in them that cause me to so do. However, with that said, I do believe that it is against the rules to attempt to out a person on this board. I think it is also against the rules to falsely accuse someone. As to the quote you provided from Martin, I will not address the obvious. I would only ask that you stop making false accusations and say that I have said great minds think alike. :)

Ah............William Anthony.....perfect timing! Moments before your post above, you weren't logged in........glad you are here!

I don't understand your first sentence ~ am I understanding you don't like my posts or feel to answer to them? That is fine, we all have our opinions William. It is all good.

Martin has stood up for Himself, thank you for you being so considerate. The rules do not need to be explained, and 'outing' someone is far from my point.
With that being said, I will read on your 'pearls of wisdom' regarding the guilty
one..

Your saying "great minds think alike" is correct...depending on what side you're on, eh? ;)

[William Anthony]

I said I was ready to concede that orenthal must have been wearing the women's lingerie under the dark sweat suit kato said he saw him in earlier that night. :eek:

and yes, socks left laying on an otherwise clean room floor would look out of place compared to a load of freshly washed clothes.

You may concede any point you want but I am a man not inclined to wear any item of women apparel and, as such, I know enough not to wash lingerie with a dark colored sweat suit and that would have looked out of place to me. I am willing to bet that it would have looked out of place to your cook. :) Are you suggesting that DF and all other LE there were cross-dressers?

[weezer]

It was Riski or another first on the scene officere that was in niciles house making notes of what they found.ice cream cup candles etc.

A denium mens jacket was found on the back of the chair at that time.It was noted in the notes.Some thought it may have been a jacket belong to sone vuisitor at nicloes. The jacket never showed up as evidence in either trial and was not discussed by anyone after that first day.Someone obviously removed it from the house and oprevented it from beging seen by the defence or anyone else. The question is why.
'
I think all of the regulars here knew about the jacket,Those that are kinda new have to read back.

ha -- maybe it was the sweatsuit fairy?

[William Anthony]

Ah............William Anthony.....perfect timing! Moments before your post above, you weren't logged in........glad you are here!

I don't understand your first sentence ~ am I understanding you don't like my posts or feel to answer to them? That is fine, we all have our opinions William. It is all good.

Martin has stood up for Himself, thank you for you being so considerate. The rules do not need to be explained, and 'outing' someone is far from my point.
With that being said, I will read on your 'pearls of wisdom' regarding the guilty
one..

Your saying "great minds think alike" is correct...depending on what side you're on, eh? ;)

One cannot post without being logged in, according to my understanding.

It is not that I don't like your posts. It is that I see things in them which allows, by personal choice, me not to respond to most of them. Outing may have not been you point but it was the substance of your post. You really do not give me enough credit. They are not simply pearls of wisdom, they are gems, diamonds, rare, exotic, invaluable items of wisdom.;)

[tv]

No one is saying that MF was in a rush to plant the glove. A master planter would seize on the perfect opportunity to plant evidence and cast suspicion away from himself, imho. The opportunity presented itself in the form of three thumps on a wall not in the house but behind Kato's quarters.

Oh, please. :rolleyes:

[old_soul]

I said I was ready to concede that orenthal must have been wearing the women's lingerie under the dark sweat suit kato said he saw him in earlier that night. :eek:

and yes, socks left laying on an otherwise clean room floor would look out of place compared to a load of freshly washed clothes.

ewwwwwwwwww...trying not to get a visual on that one!:eek:

Yes weezer....He didn't think there was blood on those socks because he thought they were covered by his pants....didn't think it, didn't see it, and that's why they were on the floor still. Common sense tells us Arnelle didn't wash that load. (Unless she was asked), and even then, she wouldn't have put her lingerie in with those sweats.

[William Anthony]

Oh, please. :rolleyes:

Okay. I will give you please. Please ask yourself who is the only person that admitted to being in the area where the glove was found?:)

[tv]

Okay. I will give you please. Please ask yourself who is the only person that admitted to being in the area where the glove was found?:)
Mark Furhman didn't have to 'admit' being there. He openly stated that he had searched the path. Are we supposed to believe that OJ Simpson wasn't there just because he didn't admit to it?

[weezer]

Here is my post on the autopsy suibject, you cannot twist this into something
that you believe it says.

Why would i choose you to play games with.

Dr L dissagreed with Dr Goldens, who actually did the autopsy and claimed Golden made som 30 mistakes. Dr L who did not do the sutposy pushed Golden aside and gave the report himself. Goldens report said that it was possible that two knifes were used Dr L dissagreed.
I wonder how many times this had happened at the Cornors office.

The false accusations and your harsh and rude post to me has caused me to adopt williams solution to your post.I will just ignore them as i really have found little value in them so far.

"JUNE 6 - The jury saw the first of the grisly autopsy photographs of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman and heard detailed testimony about the murders.

Los Angeles County Medical Examiner Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran also testified about mistakes made by Dr. Irwin Golden, who performed the autopsies. But Dr. Sathyagiswaran said the minor mistakes did not change his opinion about the cause and manner of the deaths. . ."

[old_soul]

One cannot post without being logged in, according to my understanding.

It is not that I don't like your posts. It is that I see things in them which allows, by personal choice, me not to respond to most of them. Outing may have not been you point but it was the substance of your post. You really do not give me enough credit. They are not simply pearls of wisdom, they are gems, diamonds, rare, exotic, invaluable items of wisdom.;)



Yes, William....................http://i42.tinypic.com/xcvdk0.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vt2pmc.jpg

[William Anthony]

Mark Furhman didn't have to 'admit' being there. He openly stated that he had searched the path. Are we supposed to believe that OJ Simpson wasn't there just because he didn't admit to it?

No, the prosecution had to prove Simpson was there. They failed. The only person who admitted being there was the one who allegedly found the glove and we all know what they say about possession being nine tenths of the law.

[weezer]

You may concede any point you want but I am a man not inclined to wear any item of women apparel and, as such, I know enough not to wash lingerie with a dark colored sweat suit and that would have looked out of place to me. I am willing to bet that it would have looked out of place to your cook. :) Are you suggesting that DF and all other LE there were cross-dressers?

gee I wouldn't know about the others but we do know that freshly washed women's lingerie were found with a dark sweatsuit in orenthal's home, in orenthal's laundry room, in orenthal's washing machine. maid said they weren't there when she left on Friday. arnelle said "nope" ain't mine. :shrug: Makes sense that orenthal had that lingerie on when he was wearing the dark sweatsuit earlier in the night that kato described.

[tv]

No, the prosecution had to prove Simpson was there. They failed. The only person who admitted being there was the one who allegedly found the glove and we all know what they say about possession being nine tenths of the law.You mean like in the Vegas case?

[William Anthony]

Yes, William....................http://i42.tinypic.com/xcvdk0.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vt2pmc.jpg

You don't have to yell it and I don't think those portraits of you do you justice, if they are you.

[tv]

No, the prosecution had to prove Simpson was there. They failed. The only person who admitted being there was the one who allegedly found the glove and we all know what they say about possession being nine tenths of the law.The plaintiffs in the civil case proved their case by a preponderance of the evidence. Let's not forget the criminal trial isn't the last word on the subject.

[William Anthony]

gee I wouldn't know about the others but we do know that freshly washed women's lingerie were found with a dark sweatsuit in orenthal's home, in orenthal's laundry room, in orenthal's washing machine. maid said they weren't there when she left on Friday. arnelle said "nope" ain't mine. :shrug: Makes sense that orenthal had that lingerie on when he was wearing the dark sweatsuit earlier in the night that kato described.

Kato did not describe that sweatsuit.:) DF had it an possession is nine tenths of the law.

[William Anthony]

The plaintiffs in the civil case proved their case by a preponderance of the evidence. Let's not forget the criminal trial isn't the last word on the subject.

The criminal trial was the last word on Simpson being tried for the murders of those two victims.

[old_soul]

Here is my post on the autopsy suibject, you cannot twist this into something
that you believe it says.

Why would i choose you to play games with.

Dr L dissagreed with Dr Goldens, who actually did the autopsy and claimed Golden made som 30 mistakes. Dr L who did not do the sutposy pushed Golden aside and gave the report himself. Goldens report said that it was possible that two knifes were used Dr L dissagreed.
I wonder how many times this had happened at the Cornors office.

The false accusations and your harsh and rude post to me has caused me to adopt williams solution to your post.I will just ignore them as i really have found little value in them so far.

So I see you edited your post after reading William's post at 10:18..........
Fine, fine, fine......as I said ~ It's all good, Martin. Really. :)

[weezer]

Yes, William....................http://i42.tinypic.com/xcvdk0.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vt2pmc.jpg

LOL -- thanks!

[William Anthony]

You mean like in the Vegas case?

No, judge J. Glass said ownership was not an issue, remember?

[William Anthony]

LOL -- thanks!

You're welcome.

[tv]

The criminal trial was the last word on Simpson being tried for the murders of those two victims.But not the last word on whether or not he's the killer. The evidence proves he is. Please don't go into one of your long diatribes to educate us on the difference in the charges and the difference between a civil and criminal trial. We all know already.

[William Anthony]

But not the last word on whether or not he's the killer. The evidence proves he is. Please don't go into one of your long diatribes to educate us on the difference in the charges and the difference between a civil and criminal trial. We all know already.

If you know, then why are you reluctant to accept what the verdict meant? Show me one special interrogatory that the civil jury was asked specifically that Simpson "wrongfully and willfully caused the death or either victim by stabbing them to death or slashing their throats" and I will concede the issue to you.

[tv]

If you know, then why are you reluctant to accept what the verdict meant? Show me one special interrogatory that the civil jury was asked specifically that Simpson "wrongfully and willfully caused the death or either victim by stabbing them to death or slashing their throats" and I will concede the issue to you.I'm not going there. I believe OJ Simpson murdered Ron and Nicole and I believe it was proven in both the the civil and criminal trials. If you're comfortable with a double-murderer walking free for 14 years, enjoying his life, just because some unproven allegations against the LAPD were believed by a jury then that's your perogative. I choose to look at the evidence and interpret it without wild speculation and fantasy entering into it. Some of the things that have been posted to explain how OJ Simpson could be innocent are ludicrous. The dog had blood on him but the victims weren't dead yet, Mark Fuhrman investigated behind the bungalow so he must have put the glove there, blood must have flown out of Colin Yamauchi's hands across the lab and contaminated evidence, the lights downstairs at Rockingham were off, they were on etc. Who cares? The criminal jury found him not guilty so it was his right to walk free. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the verdict or believe him to be innocent.

[martin II]

Yes, I went back to reread, I concede, Martin, it was a question.

I would still like to know which persona responded, as it is not often that other men I post with speak in the 3rd person (if that is the case)

And it would not only be me that the games are being played with, now would it?

No links for the jacket either, then?

You often time have come out with guns blazing and it turns out you are wrong. You can continue to make false accusations and ignore williams post if you like.
I have no idea as to how other men respond to you and i have no reason to be concerned. Bus i suggest you stop making false accusations about me.:cool:

[grneyes]

I'm not going there. I believe OJ Simpson murdered Ron and Nicole and I believe it was proven in both the the civil and criminal trials. If you're comfortable with a double-murderer walking free for 14 years, enjoying his life, just because some unproven allegations against the LAPD were believed by a jury then that's your perogative. I choose to look at the evidence and interpret it without wild speculation and fantasy entering into it. Some of the things that have been posted to explain how OJ Simpson could be innocent are ludicrous. The dog had blood on him but the victims weren't dead yet, Mark Fuhrman investigated behind the bungalow so he must have put the glove there, blood must have flown out of Colin Yamauchi's hands across the lab and contaminated evidence, the lights downstairs at Rockingham were off, they were on etc. Who cares? The criminal jury found him not guilty so it was his right to walk free. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the verdict or believe him to be innocent.

That is exactly how I feel also TV. While WA/Martin might not agree on OJ's guilt, we are entitled to our opinions just as they are.

[martin II]

ha -- maybe it was the sweatsuit fairy?

Consider this
two pieces of clothing last seen by le, MISSING without a answer,
maby someone in le needed some clothes?

[martin II]

The plaintiffs in the civil case proved their case by a preponderance of the evidence. Let's not forget the criminal trial isn't the last word on the subject.

tv
don't you think it is the last word/trial on what you think oj did?

[martin II]

You don't have to yell it and I don't think those portraits of you do you justice, if they are you.

some one may have mistaken this thread for facebook

haha

[William Anthony]

I'm not going there. I believe OJ Simpson murdered Ron and Nicole and I believe it was proven in both the the civil and criminal trials. If you're comfortable with a double-murderer walking free for 14 years, enjoying his life, just because some unproven allegations against the LAPD were believed by a jury then that's your perogative. I choose to look at the evidence and interpret it without wild speculation and fantasy entering into it. Some of the things that have been posted to explain how OJ Simpson could be innocent are ludicrous. The dog had blood on him but the victims weren't dead yet, Mark Fuhrman investigated behind the bungalow so he must have put the glove there, blood must have flown out of Colin Yamauchi's hands across the lab and contaminated evidence, the lights downstairs at Rockingham were off, they were on etc. Who cares? The criminal jury found him not guilty so it was his right to walk free. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the verdict or believe him to be innocent.

Is the reason that you are not going there, because there was no such special interrogatory. Of course, it is your right and anyone else has the right to believe Simpson is the murderer. I have not participated in any of the wild speculations but I have asked questions about the evidence and what it could mean. I have said that the devil is in the details and the proof is in the pudding. The prosecution failed to make a pudding with adequate proof, imho. The details about the time the thumps were made allows an inference that the thumps were made in between the time of ten forty to ten forty five. Does this prove Simpson guilty or not guilty? No. The lack of evidence placing him behind Kato's quarters when added to that evidence allows the inference that the prosecution failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. The other evidence about MF allows an inference that he planted the glove. I am not saying whether or not MF planted the glove, only that there is reasonable doubt. Our judicial system does not permit one to be convicted and incarcerated unless there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. They just had a case on trutv in which three eyewitnesses testified that the accused was the shooter, who killed three young men. The defense poked holes in the eyewitness testimonies and the prosecution's time line as to whether or not the witnesses could have known the accused at the time of the murders, as well as whether the father of one of the eyewitnesses could have lived at the place they claimed they took the murder weapon to cut it up into pieces. The jury rightly returned a verdict of not guilty on all the charges, imho. Was he the murder or was he innocent? I don't know but I do believe there was reasonable doubt, just as I do in the Simpson murder trial.

[martin II]

i think the pictures posted at #3658 strongly supports the idea that NO one jumped the fence in the south walkway.

[William Anthony]

That is exactly how I feel also TV. While WA/Martin might not agree on OJ's guilt, we are entitled to our opinions just as they are.

Have you discussed you opinions with others on other threads that hold different opinions than yours and have you defended your positions and have they defended theirs?

[weezer]

Consider this
two pieces of clothing last seen by le, MISSING without a answer,
maby someone in le needed some clothes?

hmmm -- let me consider that -- Nope!

I'm waiting for any kind of link to the missing jean jacket that 'everyone' knows all about.

I'm starting to think it's time orenthal 'man upped' about the lingerie so people will quit thinking bad stuff about arnelle.

[weezer]

Have you discussed you opinions with others on other threads that hold different opinions than yours and have you defended your positions and have they defended theirs?

LOL -- william anthony meet grneyes -- LOL

first time for you guys to talk is it?

[martin II]

gee I wouldn't know about the others but we do know that freshly washed women's lingerie were found with a dark sweatsuit in orenthal's home, in orenthal's laundry room, in orenthal's washing machine. maid said they weren't there when she left on Friday. arnelle said "nope" ain't mine. :shrug: Makes sense that orenthal had that lingerie on when he was wearing the dark sweatsuit earlier in the night that kato described.

weezer
why do i get the impression you are for some reason stuck on undewear and Arnell Simpson.hahaha

[William Anthony]

LOL -- william anthony meet grneyes -- LOL

first time for you guys to talk is it?

I really don't think that is any of your business and I do not mean that in an impolite way, just a factual manner.

[martin II]

That is exactly how I feel also TV. While WA/Martin might not agree on OJ's guilt, we are entitled to our opinions just as they are.

i have never posted with you but i hope you are not suggesting that i have ever attempted to obstruct or prevented you from posting your opinions about anything as that would not be true. I think you know that.

[William Anthony]

Tvdinner,

can someone add flour to a broth to thicken it as they do yeast to dough to make it rise?

[martin II]

Maybe he threw all the loose body parts in the trash too.

Which would mean the autopsy report was totally a fake document. Some days these Dr do multiple autopsies in a day.Easy to mix up parts.
Why was Dr Golden tossed from giving the report to the jury? seems odd.

[martin II]

hmmm -- let me consider that -- Nope!

I'm waiting for any kind of link to the missing jean jacket that 'everyone' knows all about.

I'm starting to think it's time orenthal 'man upped' about the lingerie so people will quit thinking bad stuff about arnelle.

i have explained all that was discussed on the jean jacket.After le left nicoles house it was never seen or discussed by any le. Lang did the same thing with that piece of jewelry found at Nicoles jeep. Only he put it in his desk for the duration of the trial as he never logged it in as evidence found at the crime scene.

[weezer]

weezer
why do i get the impression you are for some reason stuck on undewear and Arnell Simpson.hahaha

actually, now that I think about it, it's probably a good thing that orenthal did/does have a penchant for women's lingerie may make the spot he's in right now a little more palatable.

why do I get the impression that you continue arnelle's obvious involvement. hahaha

[weezer]

Tvdinner,

can someone add flour to a broth to thicken it as they do yeast to dough to make it rise?

yes but cornstach is better

[weezer]

i have explained all that was discussed on the jean jacket.After le left nicoles house it was never seen or discussed by any le. Lang did the same thing with that piece of jewelry found at Nicoles jeep. Only he put it in his desk for the duration of the trial as he never logged it in as evidence found at the crime scene.

LOL -- ooooo -- you mean the little junk jewelry found on the ground outside Nicole's car? LOL

[grneyes]

i have never posted with you but i hope you are not suggesting that i have ever attempted to obstruct or prevented you from posting your opinions about anything as that would not be true. I think you know that.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion from what I wrote? (Seriously LMAO about that one.) I never even implied any such thing. All I said was that you and WA might not agree with our opinions on OJ's guilt which is true is it not?

[weezer]

I keep hearing this song over and over in my head: Wake up Little Susie, Wake Up ;)

[William Anthony]

yes but cornstach is better

Tvdinner,

I ask you because you do not have a cook or at least you haven't informed the board as to such and you have talked about cooking.:)

[William Anthony]

I keep hearing this adage in my head, a person who stands for nothing will fall for everything. My favorite song is a gospel one that goes, you have six months to mind your own business and six months to leave mine alone.

[William Anthony]

How on earth did you come to that conclusion from what I wrote? (Seriously LMAO about that one.) I never even implied any such thing. All I said was that you and WA might not agree with our opinions on OJ's guilt which is true is it not?

Grneyes,

Have I ever requested anything of you, other than what I asked you on this board, today? I will put forth that which is sneakily implied.

[old_soul]

You often time have come out with guns blazing and it turns out you are wrong. You can continue to make false accusations and ignore williams post if you like.
I have no idea as to how other men respond to you and i have no reason to be concerned. Bus i suggest you stop making false accusations about me.:cool:

Guns blazing because I ask questions that you give myself and others answers to, which are excuses? You say testimony and transcripts I have quoted are wrong?
Fortunately, I live in the real world, and thankfully I have a sense of humor...

Never been on Facebook, guess you missed the humor in those pics and possibly you guys don't understand the meaning of Rock On...

I am not ignoring WA's posts...I read everyone's thoughts, and find them interesting. On going waaaaay back, I apparently am not the only one who feels you pull answers out and expect others to take them as gospel. Page after page, post after post. Enough about the accusations. I didn't say anything more, but you keep bringing it up.

As I said, ignore my posts....And You Know What? Go in peace, friend. Fini.

[weezer]

Tvdinner,

I ask you because you do not have a cook or at least you haven't informed the board as to such and you have talked about cooking.:)

oh -- did I intrude? sorry.

[martin II]

When he walked through the house he didn't know about the thumps. Why wouldn't he have just planted the glove in the house? He didn't know there would be a report of thumps behind the bungalows.

If he did it he was smart to get the lay of the land before making his move or plant.

i am interested in what phillips was doing at rockingham.He was there but there is no mention of where he was and what he did.he was like ghost of sorts.

[William Anthony]

oh -- did I intrude? sorry.

Oh I firmly believe that you are sorry.

[Kate Sachel]

Tvdinner,

can someone add flour to a broth to thicken it as they do yeast to dough to make it rise?

I realize that you did not ask this of me, but I can tell you that I use flour to thicken my homemade beef stew if the gravy appears too runny for my liking.

Kate

[weezer]

Oh I firmly believe that you are sorry.

I don't know why you are being so hateful -- I saw your post, saw that tv wasn't on line and answered. For goodness sake's william -- you can be so weird at times.

[William Anthony]

I realize that you did not ask this of me, but I can tell you that I use flour to thicken my homemade beef stew if the gravy appears too runny for my liking.

Kate

Thank you as you are the lady I have always known you to be. I don't like things that are runny, which I call slimy and I have heretofore used butter. However, health concerns require me to partake of a different diet. I think some things will be slimy not matter how you try to thicken them.

[William Anthony]

I don't know why you are being so hateful -- I saw your post, saw that tv wasn't on line and answered. For goodness sake's william -- you can be so weird at times.

What makes you think I am being hateful? I saw where you said you were sorry and I responded that I firmly believed you were sorry and I still do.

[grneyes]

Have you discussed you opinions with others on other threads that hold different opinions than yours and have you defended your positions and have they defended theirs?

I didn't realize that was a requirement before posting in this thread. Which, by the way, I have posted in several times before.

[weezer]

I didn't realize that was a requirement before posting in this thread. Which, by the way, I have posted in several times before.

I guess william's in charge of the Board new 'entrance' exams? :eek::tongue:

[martin II]

How on earth did you come to that conclusion from what I wrote? (Seriously LMAO about that one.) I never even implied any such thing. All I said was that you and WA might not agree with our opinions on OJ's guilt which is true is it not?

I don't know what you mean about 'OUR' opinions.i may be wrong but i don't remeber ever reading a opinion of yours or responding to one. your nic appears to be new to me.But when you mention my nic in your post i assume you intend to be specific about me. There are other posters beside william that have agreed with me but you specified william and me as the ones not agreeing with you and whoever you include in "our".

If you post testimony and evidence that i agree with i will agree and support your post. If i dissagree i will either pass or state my dissagreement in a civil manner. Thanks for your comments.

[weezer]

What makes you think I am being hateful? I saw where you said you were sorry and I responded that I firmly believed you were sorry and I still do.

oh I don't know about that -- I haven't had anyone run from me yet!

[William Anthony]

I didn't realize that was a requirement before posting in this thread. Which, by the way, I have posted in several times before.

You misunderstood as that was not what I meant. I only asked because I think it is common on every thread for people to discuss opposing views. I just wondered had you done that on other threads. I have asked prior to today, have I made any requests of you.

[William Anthony]

oh I don't know about that -- I haven't had anyone run from me yet!

Nor Have I. Some may want to claim they have but that simply is not the truth, I respect the wishes of anyone and don't want anyone who does not want me. However, let me be the first to run from you.:seeya:, :seeya:, :seeya:, and :seeya:

[martin II]

Tvdinner,

I ask you because you do not have a cook or at least you haven't informed the board as to such and you have talked about cooking.:)

tv
may have a cook but she is the head chef.

[William Anthony]

I guess william's in charge of the Board new 'entrance' exams? :eek::tongue:

Where is your John Wayne quote on Stupidity?

[martin II]

LOL -- ooooo -- you mean the little junk jewelry found on the ground outside Nicole's car? LOL

nicole had her issues but i don't think she owned any junk jewelry.

[weezer]

Where is your John Wayne quote on Stupidity?

you do realize it didn't 'belong' to me -- right?

[weezer]

nicole had her issues but i don't think she owned any junk jewelry.

then help us out here martin and post the description of the jewlery that was found.

[tv]

nicole had her issues but i don't think she owned any junk jewelry.Neither do I. It was most likely Sydney's.

[tv]

tv
may have a cook but she is the head chef.No cook for me but I have to agree with Kate and weezer about how to thicken broth.

[grneyes]

I don't know what you mean about 'OUR' opinions.i may be wrong but i don't remeber ever reading a opinion of yours or responding to one. your nic appears to be new to me.But when you mention my nic in your post i assume you intend to be specific about me. There are other posters beside william that have agreed with me but you specified william and me as the ones not agreeing with you and whoever you include in "our".

If you post testimony and evidence that i agree with i will agree and support your post. If i dissagree i will either pass or state my dissagreement in a civil manner. Thanks for your comments.

I am definitely not new to the board or to this thread. When I said OUR opinions, I was referring to mine and TV's opinions on the matter. You obviously do not agree with TV's opinion so therefore, you also do not agree with mine as it is the same as TV's.

You misunderstood as that was not what I meant. I only asked because I think it is common on every thread for people to discuss opposing views. I just wondered had you done that on other threads. I have asked prior to today, have I made any requests of you.

William it is possible to search and see what other threads I've been involved in if you choose to go such lengths. Why you would is beyond me because whether I've posted once or 1000 times on this board it has nothing to do with what I posted on my agreeing with TV.


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[martin II]

Neither do I. It was most likely Sydney's.

i think oj and nicole set high standards for both of their children "never wear cheap stuff it is not becoming a simpson"

[William Anthony]

I am definitely not new to the board or to this thread. When I said OUR opinions, I was referring to mine and TV's opinions on the matter. You obviously do not agree with TV's opinion so therefore, you also do not agree with mine as it is the same as TV's.



William it is possible to search and see what other threads I've been involved in if you choose to go such lengths. Why you would is beyond me because whether I've posted once or 1000 times on this board it has nothing to do with what I posted on my agreeing with TV.

No, I don't have the interest to search and see what you have posted. You seem intent on not answering my other question to you, which would set the record straight on something. So, I reiterate, have I ever requested anything from you other than answers to the questions I posed to you on this forum, today?

[weezer]

No, I don't have the interest to search and see what you have posted. You seem intent on not answering my other question to you, which would set the record straight on something. So, I reiterate, have I ever requested anything from you other than answers to the questions I posed to you on this forum, today?

and is she found in contempt of court if she doesn't answer? geez

[tv]

I am definitely not new to the board or to this thread. When I said OUR opinions, I was referring to mine and TV's opinions on the matter. You obviously do not agree with TV's opinion so therefore, you also do not agree with mine as it is the same as TV's.



William it is possible to search and see what other threads I've been involved in if you choose to go such lengths. Why you would is beyond me because whether I've posted once or 1000 times on this board it has nothing to do with what I posted on my agreeing with TV.

grneyes, I do remember you posting in this forum before. I'm not sure what the reason is for William's questions but I think he's out of line. If he has something to say he should just come out and say it.

[William Anthony]

I realize that you did not ask this of me, but I can tell you that I use flour to thicken my homemade beef stew if the gravy appears too runny for my liking.

Kate

Kate,

I feel compelled to ask even though I believe I know you better than that. Was there any other meaning to you use of the word runny as it pertains to me? I think that some here have stooped to another new low level and, no, I don't mean you.

[tv]

No, I don't have the interest to search and see what you have posted. You seem intent on not answering my other question to you, which would set the record straight on something. So, I reiterate, have I ever requested anything from you other than answers to the questions I posed to you on this forum, today?William, this isn't the place to air your personal problems. Take it to PM. :)

[martin II]

I am definitely not new to the board or to this thread. When I said OUR opinions, I was referring to mine and TV's opinions on the matter. You obviously do not agree with TV's opinion so therefore, you also do not agree with mine as it is the same as TV's.



William it is possible to search and see what other threads I've been involved in if you choose to go such lengths. Why you would is beyond me because whether I've posted once or 1000 times on this board it has nothing to do with what I posted on my agreeing with TV.


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TV and i agree on some issues and we dissagree on others. We agree that she is one of the best posters on the thread and i think all agree that she and william have a inside manner of talking to each other that evades some
hahaha

[tv]

TV and i agree on some issues and we dissagree on others. We agree that she is one of the best posters on the thread and i think all agree that she and william have a inside manner of talking to each other that evades some
hahaha

True dat.

[tv]

Kate,

I feel compelled to ask even though I believe I know you better than that. Was there any other meaning to you use of the word runny as it pertains to me? I think that some here have stooped to another new low level and, no, I don't mean you.
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[William Anthony]

and is she found in contempt of court if she doesn't answer? geez

This is an A & B conversation and could you respectfully and kindly C your way out.

[grneyes]

No, I don't have the interest to search and see what you have posted. You seem intent on not answering my other question to you, which would set the record straight on something. So, I reiterate, have I ever requested anything from you other than answers to the questions I posed to you on this forum, today?

What else would you have ever requested from me? Well, you have asked me questions regarding other posts I've made but other than that, no you have never requested anything from me.

[tv]

This is an A & B conversation and could you respectfully and kindly C your way out.
You chose to put this on the open board so it's fair game for everyone to comment on.

[weezer]

You chose to put this on the open board so it's fair game for everyone to comment on.

hmmm -- guess he misunderstood the part about 'public' message board.

[weezer]

:confused:

me too -- did we miss something?

[martin II]

grneyes, I do remember you posting in this forum before. I'm not sure what the reason is for William's questions but I think he's out of line. If he has something to say he should just come out and say it.

tv
look
we started out earlier talking about the issues. then we got a interuption of a poster making negative personal comments.

We seemed to have gotten back on the issues and now we have another poster making personal comments.

Do you agree that nicole would not allow Sydney to wear junk jewelry.

[William Anthony]

William, this isn't the place to air your personal problems. Take it to PM. :)

I did not bring it to the board and I believe you know who did. It is coming out and, if I need to seek the moderator's assistance I will. I am trying to avoid that and I thought you would be woman enough to put the matter to rest. I don't have a personal problem. The problem is that some want to make problems personal for me. The remark was made with LOL that it was the first time grneyes and I posted to each other, with a right following it. I tried to be polite as possible to inform the poster that it was none of her business but she persisted. I feel confident that any and all accusations made against me have been investigated and for those that I was found guilty of I was punished just as I feel confident that the moderator has informed at least one poster that the latest accusation against me was false. Don't you?

[William Anthony]

You chose to put this on the open board so it's fair game for everyone to comment on.

I addressed it to you she commented and I commented on her comment, which was I did not want it. I took the one from Kate. I think it is my right to accept those comments I choose. Don't you?

[fgump2]

fgump2,

I believe Clark, Vanatter and Lange believed Simpson was guilty. However, I do believe Clark sought victory over justice. I have posted my opinons on this case and while you may see it one way, I see it another.

In all fairness to me, don't you think that you and some other G's are transfering your morals and ethics on to the date's witnesess? Perfect example is the glove, many G's believe had another detective or cop seen MF pick up the second glove, they would have reported it. Or that no one would plant evidence in any murder case let alone a high profile case against a world famous athlete. It seems to me that G's do acknowledge that police have been involved in misconduct in the past but never would have done it in this case.

His anger at the Goldmans and the Browns is understandable. Heck, I am mad at them. As far as the police, there was no sense getting into a war with them because it would prove nothing if he took them on. The Goldmans and the Browns should have fought this battle, IMO.

I think the rule of thumb for the time death, depending on the circumstances is three hours. However, the LAPD had plent of "clocks" to use to narrow this down, to the best of my knowledge they did not use them. Or they could have used them and we just don't know about it.

Example, a rape kit was not done on Nicole, why? Lange said there was no evidence to suggest that a sexual assault took place so he did not order one. That makes no sense because "rape kits" are not just used in sexual assault cases. And to be honest, why is Lange, a detective giving orders to the ME? I would think the ME would have his own check list to follow--how could a detective waive this?

Also, there was evidence that Nicole did have a guest that night and it may have gotten intimate---did they check her panties for any type of sexual residue? Her stomach contents were thrown out yet Goldman's wasn't. Lange and Vanatter did not bring it to Dr. Golden's attention that he just tossed Nicole's stomach contents?

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You say that getting into a war with the police would accomplish nothing. What did insulting the Goldmans accomplish? Do you think there is ever a time to turn the other cheek even if you disagree with a person’s statements? I have been forgiving of other’s anger against me sometimes because I knew they had gone through a difficult experience, and those tough experiences were never as bad as having a loved one killed. Ordinarily we give grieving people some tolerance. I believe that OJS has made some tasteless statements about Nicole after her death; funny that doesn’t bother you. I have read statements of relatives of murder victims who have said things I didn’t agree with, but I give them some tolerance because of the situation. After the 2001 terrorist attacks some relatives of the victims said things that I thought went too far, but I felt sadness, not anger.
In the civil trial, Simpson’s advocate, Baker made a remark in his closing speech about Ron Goldman would be lucky to own a credit card. And yet just after that speech, Mr. Baker told Petrocelli that he expected the plaintiffs to win big. I doubt that Baker would have said that if OJS didn’t ask him to. A defense lawyer doesn’t ordinarily toss out insults which may result in a bigger win for the plaintiff. In any case that statement fit in quite well with other things OJS said about the Goldmans (and Baker as well).

As for Clark being more interested in victory than in justice; that is possible, but it comes it is a form of mind reading. It is easier to judge actions than motivations. Lawyers often value victorry over justice.

[martin II]

and is she found in contempt of court if she doesn't answer? geez

weezer

if you step back and put your gasoline can away we can get back on the issues. ok.

[grneyes]

tv
look
we started out earlier talking about the issues. then we got a interuption of a poster making negative personal comments.

We seemed to have gotten back on the issues and now we have another poster making personal comments.

Do you agree that nicole would not allow Sydney to wear junk jewelry.

Saying that my opinion is different than yours is NOT making personal comments against. It's just stating a fact. Stop fishing for things that aren't even in my posts Martin. This is the reason I have been staying away from this thread. Every time I've posted in the OJ thread I've gotten this from you and WA so I will just leave this thread yet again...

[William Anthony]

What else would you have ever requested from me? Well, you have asked me questions regarding other posts I've made but other than that, no you have never requested anything from me.

Thank you, very kindly and I mean that. Without going into anything that was said, there were some comments made asking whether you and I had a friendly relationship and that you assisted me in some manner, which is as far from the truth as the north pole is from the south pole. Thanks again.

[martin II]

then help us out here martin and post the description of the jewlery that was found.

you informed the thread it was junk jewelry now you ask me to describe it?

[weezer]

weezer

if you step back and put your gasoline can away we can get back on the issues. ok.

why in the world are you two guys acting so weird about this. grneyes simply posted and wham! william was interrogating her.

you know martin, sometimes when you post I can't even see william's lips move! ;)

[martin II]

Saying that my opinion is different than yours is NOT making personal comments against. It's just stating a fact. Stop fishing for things that aren't even in my posts Martin. This is the reason I have been staying away from this thread. Every time I've posted in the OJ thread I've gotten this from you and WA so I will just leave this thread yet again...

no need not to post here everyone is welcome. The discussion gets off track when a poster makes personal comments directed at others for no reason. As i have said i don't remember ever posting to you so i don't know of any thing that i have ever given you. Maby i should pay more attention to who post but i usually respond to post that interest me.

[weezer]

i think oj and nicole set high standards for both of their children "never wear cheap stuff it is not becoming a simpson"

LOL -- and if you make daddy mad, he'll take it all away!

[grneyes]

Thank you, very kindly and I mean that. Without going into anything that was said, there were some comments made asking whether you and I had a friendly relationship and that you assisted me in some manner, which is as far from the truth as the north pole is from the south pole. Thanks again.

Your welcome William and I will state for the record that I did not give you or anyone else any information.

As for friendly, this post and yours above is probably the friendliest we've ever been.

[William Anthony]

I would appreciate it, if a certain poster would keep my name out of her posts from here on out.

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

I feel compelled to ask even though I believe I know you better than that. Was there any other meaning to you use of the word runny as it pertains to me? I think that some here have stooped to another new low level and, no, I don't mean you.

Oh my goodness, no. There was no meaning behind it whatsoever; why would you think that?

I was just trying to be helpful, and am very fussy about sauces such as my stew gravy and I need for it to be thick rather than runny or I will not eat it.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Your welcome William and I will state for the record that I did not give you or anyone else any information.

As for friendly, this post and yours above is probably the friendliest we've ever been.

I do not remember ever posting to you previously, which does not mean I haven't .:) I hope that we can establish and maintain a civil relationship (I shutter when I use that word to you, :)). I hope that you understand that, even though I may disagree with a poster's opinion and state the basis why and offer support for my disagreement, I still respect the right of the poster to voice that opinion.

[William Anthony]

Oh my goodness, no. There was no meaning behind it whatsoever; why would you think that?

I was just trying to be helpful, and am very fussy about sauces such as my stew gravy and I need for it to be thick rather than runny or I will not eat it.

Kate

I did not think that and just wanted to clear something up, since a certain poster to the word run and ran with it.:)

[martin II]

I did not think that and just wanted to clear something up, since a certain poster to the word run and ran with it.:)

I use corn starch and some times a spoon or two of peanut butter(african style)

[tv]

Thank you, very kindly and I mean that. Without going into anything that was said, there were some comments made asking whether you and I had a friendly relationship and that you assisted me in some manner, which is as far from the truth as the north pole is from the south pole. Thanks again.

Willliam, I asked you those questions in PM and I resent you bringing our private conversation to the board. What happened to promising to keep your lips sealed to avoid hurting other people? This isn't the first time you've revealed private information from PMs and I don't appreciate it. I could reveal things that you've told me in PM that you wouldn't like but I choose to be mature and respect other's privacy. I hope you're happy with yourself. You can be assured we'll never speak in PM again.

Grneyes, I apologize for all of this.

[William Anthony]

LOL -- william anthony meet grneyes -- LOL

first time for you guys to talk is it?

This is the comment that compelled the conversation that asked me to ask grneyes a question. I am just setting the record straight and in no means am I attempting to reopen the lines of, shall we say communication, between me and the poster that made that post.

[weezer]

This is the comment that compelled the conversation that asked me to ask grneyes a question. I am just setting the record straight and in no means am I attempting to reopen the lines of, shall we say communication, between me and the poster that made that post.

wow -- all of that from me commenting on you jumping on grneyes first post. gotta love it! no where but here. . . .

[Kate Sachel]

I did not think that and just wanted to clear something up, since a certain poster to the word run and ran with it.:)

I don't engage in innuendo, I speak what is on my mind. You should know that by this point.

Kate

[fgump2]

TV,

In all due respect, your comments about there being so much more evidence is really frustrating. The reason why I feel it is frustrating is that every time some posts a logical response to the evidence, that piece of evidence is then thrown out and then we hear there was plenty of other evidence to convict him.

Several G's have said that the tests on the AC unit and the wire were human blood and that is evidence that someone was back there before Fuhrman found the glove. Now that there is a question even if was human blood, you suddenly say you don't care about it, there is other evidence.

Ron's blood was never found until months later. There is no reasonable explaination to this. At least two witneses testified that they did not see blood in the Bronco. Most likey there were more the judge probably limited the defense on how many they could call or none of the others would come forward.

As for the sock, the defense not only produced a two expert witnesses on why the blood could have been planted, but EDTA was found in it and more importantly, the blood was never found until August. Michelle Kessler is an experienced lab chief. To say that none of them used the correct equipment to examine the socks just makes no sense.

Simpson's blood, the amount and where it was found on the glove was consistent with Collin Y's explaination of his work that day. You feel that the errors made in this case were just that, errors. If this is the case then why couldn't Collin Y make an error when he spilled some of Simpson's reference sample? Did he do it on purpose, no, but you can't discount that it could have happend that way.

Isn't it reasonable to ask why or how could have the most key blood evidence be found days, weeks, months later?

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II think at most the defense reduced the credibility of the evidence a little bit. That was the first time an EDTA test was done in a criminal ltrial. This doesn't make it junk science, but it does lower the reliability. The pro defense people often talk as thought evidence must be infalible to be presented to the jury. To assume that carelessness (cross contamination for example) could have been a major factor in the evidence against SImpson, is to assume a highly unlikely scenario. I don't see how people could consider tht Colin Y. mistake (which he said he corrected) could have made it seem like OJS was gulity, but not see how people's memory of time could be 5 - 15 minutes off. Also pro defense people in talking about Kato K say things like: "I don't see how the picture could have moved, so lets ignore the bumps", or " I don't understand why there were 3 bumps. so lets ignore the bumps, and ignore the coincidence of Kato thinking there were bumps just before OJS appeared".

It seem s to me that if the dream team and OJS really thought that any of the evidence was rigged, they would want to check on the prior work and character references of the culprits. Lange, Vannatter, Fuhrman and Fung probably had well over 50 years of LA LE experience between them. . If the dream team thought these guys were tamping with illegally tampering with evidence, then why not check on their prior work, and their character references? I think the dream team didn’t want to do this because the thought any such checks would come up empty. Lange and Vannatter both had about 20 years of experience at the time, and were about to retire. People about to retire usually behave cautiously. I think it isn't .plausible that they would either be honest cops for 20 years and then cheat just at the end of their career. It is also not likely that they would cheat for 20 years and leave no evidence of it. There would t least be people in jail complaining.
I realize that some cops do lie do bad things. So does the rest of the human race.

[William Anthony]

Willliam, I asked you those questions in PM and I resent you bringing our private conversation to the board. What happened to promising to keep your lips sealed to avoid hurting other people? This isn't the first time you've revealed private information from PMs and I don't appreciate it. I could reveal things that you've told me in PM that you wouldn't like but I choose to be mature and respect other's privacy. I hope you're happy with yourself. You can be assured we'll never speak in PM again.

Grneyes, I apologize for all of this.

You may thank another poster for bringing the subject to the board. I have nothing to hide and I feel people should be informed of things they are being accused of and ask you to note that I made no mention of what the request was. You could have told the other poster, the one that started it, to take it to a pm but you chose not to. I was not the one to hurt anyone's feelings and why don't you think false accusations against me hurt my feelings. Why have you not told the other poster to respect my and grneyes privacy. I politely as possible told the poster it was none of her business but she continued to make snide posts and when you came back, you said nothing to her. I don't appreciate snide remarks and posts besmirching the character or others. I respect your choice not to pm me.

[William Anthony]

Some of us just should not try to deceive others, because they portray their true intent in the very next post.

[grneyes]

Willliam, I asked you those questions in PM and I resent you bringing our private conversation to the board. What happened to promising to keep your lips sealed to avoid hurting other people? This isn't the first time you've revealed private information from PMs and I don't appreciate it. I could reveal things that you've told me in PM that you wouldn't like but I choose to be mature and respect other's privacy. I hope you're happy with yourself. You can be assured we'll never speak in PM again.

Grneyes, I apologize for all of this.

TV it's ok. Really. Maybe it's good that this has been posted as I get the chance to defend myself against the accusations made.

[Kate Sachel]

Might we note the obvious integrity and high character of both tvdinner and grneyes with this recent issue that has surfaced. A truly wonderful example between the two of them.

Kate

[William Anthony]

I don't engage in innuendo, I speak what is on my mind. You should know that by this point.

Kate

I know you don't and didn't mean to insinuate that you did. I just think that another poster saw an opportunity to use one of your words in a manner that you had not intended it to be used. I have my suspicions about this poster's motivations and oddly enough it concerns you and a former poster who left this board quite a while ago.

[William Anthony]

Might we note the obvious integrity and high character of both tvdinner and grneyes with this recent issue that has surfaced. A truly wonderful example between the two of them.

Kate

I applaud anyone's integrity and desire to speak the truth without regard to one's partisanship.

[tv]

I know you don't and didn't mean to insinuate that you did. I just think that another poster saw an opportunity to use one of your words in a manner that you had not intended it to be used. I have my suspicions about this poster's motivations and oddly enough it concerns you and a former poster who left this board quite a while ago.
Since you don't mind revealing what's on everyone else's mind why don't you just come out with it and tell us what you're talking about? If not, let's move on to talking about OJ Simpson.

[old_soul]

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You say that getting into a war with the police would accomplish nothing. What did insulting the Goldmans accomplish? Do you think there is ever a time to turn the other cheek even if you disagree with a person’s statements? I have been forgiving of other’s anger against me sometimes because I knew they had gone through a difficult experience, and those tough experiences were never as bad as having a loved one killed. Ordinarily we give grieving people some tolerance. I believe that OJS has made some tasteless statements about Nicole after her death; funny that doesn’t bother you. I have read statements of relatives of murder victims who have said things I didn’t agree with, but I give them some tolerance because of the situation. After the 2001 terrorist attacks some relatives of the victims said things that I thought went too far, but I felt sadness, not anger.
In the civil trial, Simpson’s advocate, Baker made a remark in his closing speech about Ron Goldman would be lucky to own a credit card. And yet just after that speech, Mr. Baker told Petrocelli that he expected the plaintiffs to win big. I doubt that Baker would have said that if OJS didn’t ask him to. A defense lawyer doesn’t ordinarily toss out insults which may result in a bigger win for the plaintiff. In any case that statement fit in quite well with other things OJS said about the Goldmans (and Baker as well).

As for Clark being more interested in victory than in justice; that is possible, but it comes it is a form of mind reading. It is easier to judge actions than motivations. Lawyers often value victorry over justice.


I agree, after hearing the derogatory comments thrown in about Ron, his dad was hurt big time..it only added insult to injury. I cannot imagine hearing that after my son was killed so violently for no good reason, other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. By all accounts, Ron was a decent guy, and did not deserve those added insults. The same goes for Nicole. How wrong is it to speak like that of Nicole (by OJ) ~ and this is after you profess how much you loved her...just plain wrong. Do I remember right, one comment was something like 'she deserved it' .....? Uncalled for, and so hurtful to the victims families in any case.


An Aside..............

While flour and cornstarch both serve the same purpose in thickening, the results are different...........Cornstarch produces a glassy, translucent finish (as in Chinese food) and flour is more dense looking, and opaque. That might also help in deciding what would look to be more 'appetizing' to eat, of course, depending on what you're making..........

[martin II]

wow -- all of that from me commenting on you jumping on grneyes first post. gotta love it! no where but here. . . .

That is why i asked you to put your gasoline can away.

[William Anthony]

Since you don't mind revealing what's on everyone else's mind why don't you just come out with it and tell us what you're talking about? If not, let's move on to talking about OJ Simpson.

I have found Kate to be wise, intelligent and articulate. If she has something that she wants to ask me about my comments to her, I am sure she will and she can do that in a pm, if she so desires.

As I have said the devil is in the details and I readily admit that I am anal retentive. So with that in mind, please note the following.

grneyes, I do remember you posting in this forum before. I'm not sure what the reason is for William's questions but I think he's out of line. If he has something to say he should just come out and say it.

William, this isn't the place to air your personal problems. Take it to PM.

why don't you just come out with it and tell us what you're talking about?

Now talk about mixed signals.:)

[William Anthony]

An Aside..............

While flour and cornstarch both serve the same purpose in thickening, the results are different...........Cornstarch produces a glassy, translucent finish (as in Chinese food) and flour is more dense looking, and opaque. That might also help in deciding what would look to be more 'appetizing' to eat, of course, depending on what you're making..........
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Thank you. I was thinking of beans and I used to use margarine or butter to thicken the soup. I like beans not bean soup.:)

[Kate Sachel]

I know you don't and didn't mean to insinuate that you did. I just think that another poster saw an opportunity to use one of your words in a manner that you had not intended it to be used. I have my suspicions about this poster's motivations and oddly enough it concerns you and a former poster who left this board quite a while ago.

I feel a tad lost at this point; I don't know what you are referring to when you say that another poster saw an opportunity to use one of my words in a manner I had not intended.

Kate

[martin II]

Thank you. I was thinking of beans and I used to use margarine or butter to thicken the soup. I like beans not bean soup.:)

yesterday i had pinto beans.Onions,garlic,pepper flakes and two ham hocks.
cooked them one day ate them the next.

[grneyes]

Ok can we please drop the gravy talk? It's 2 hours until dinner and I'm hungry! :0)


Oh great, now it's beans....boy those sure sound good Martin. Hard to find pinto beans in this area so I don't get them often.

[William Anthony]

I feel a tad lost at this point; I don't know what you are referring to when you say that another poster saw an opportunity to use one of my words in a manner I had not intended.

Kate

I have somewhat calmed down at this point and those that know understand. I am not being curt but some things aren't worth going on about. I believe the poster used a play on words, that's all, in a particularly unseemly way. I think this poster has held animosity toward me for sometime and will use any opportunity be it false or otherwise to uncoil and strike and not care if those actions are injurious to others. I just picked up on it and did not want anyone to think that you agreed with what was being said or as you say making innuendos, which I didn't believe. That is why I responded to your post. You have cleared the record on that issue. Thanks again.

[William Anthony]

yesterday i had pinto beans.Onions,garlic,pepper flakes and two ham hocks.
cooked them one day ate them the next.

Rub it in why don't you.:)

[old_soul]

Thank you. I was thinking of beans and I used to use margarine or butter to thicken the soup. I like beans not bean soup.:)

You're welcome..BTW, make sure you mix the flour/cornstach with cold water first
then blend in, otherwise you'll have lumps..you can also use broth as the liquid base...it will add a wonderful flavor (without the butter in there)...

Those pinto beans sound good too..I'm Hungry!

[Kate Sachel]

I have somewhat calmed down at this point and those that know understand. I am not being curt but some things aren't worth going on about. I believe the poster used a play on words, that's all, in a particularly unseemly way. I think this poster has held animosity toward me for sometime and will use any opportunity be it false or otherwise to uncoil and strike and not care if those actions are injurious to others. I just picked up on it and did not want anyone to think that you agreed with what was being said or as you say making innuendos, which I didn't believe. That is why I responded to your post. You have cleared the record on that issue. Thanks again.

I'm glad that I made myself clear, and that is one thing that you will always be able to count on with me; that I state my thoughts openly and without underlying meaning.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

You're welcome..BTW, make sure you mix the flour/cornstach with cold water first
then blend in, otherwise you'll have lumps..you can also use broth as the liquid base...it will add a wonderful flavor (without the butter in there)...

Those pinto beans sound good too..I'm Hungry!

I am starving. I'm waiting to make my special pasta for dinner, with a slice of apple pie to follow.

Kate

[William Anthony]

You're welcome..BTW, make sure you mix the flour/cornstach with cold water first
then blend in, otherwise you'll have lumps..you can also use broth as the liquid base...it will add a wonderful flavor (without the butter in there)...

Those pinto beans sound good too..I'm Hungry!

I am cooking a pot tomorrow. :)

[William Anthony]

I'm glad that I made myself clear, and that is one thing that you will always be able to count on with me; that I state my thoughts openly and without underlying meaning.

Kate

I have always believed that about you as you know. I have even attempted to get you to tone it down on occasions. :)

[martin II]

i think this issue would have been dropped if a certain poster had not made post that could only be desctribed as efforts to cause conflict out of a simple issue.

I think the issue is over and no more digging TO GET THE FACTS is required.

There must be more than one or two ways to cook beans. Any one know how to make Great Northern beans taste good.

[William Anthony]

I am starving. I'm waiting to make my special pasta for dinner, with a slice of apple pie to follow.

Kate

Alright your, turn to rub it in. One of my cousins and I talk about our sugar diabetes and he tells me that he rewards himself occasionally with pie and ice cream and the next day he has gout.:) I think he will go to sugar free eventually.:)

[William Anthony]

i think this issue would have been dropped if a certain poster had not made post that could only be desctribed as efforts to cause conflict out of a simple issue.

I think the issue is over and no more digging TO GET THE FACTS is required.

There must be more than one or two ways to cook beans. Any one know how to make Great Northern beans taste good.

Cook them and put them in my mouth works for me but I do prefer Pintos.:)

[weezer]

i think this issue would have been dropped if a certain poster had not made post that could only be desctribed as efforts to cause conflict out of a simple issue.

I think the issue is over and no more digging TO GET THE FACTS is required.

There must be more than one or two ways to cook beans. Any one know how to make Great Northern beans taste good.

we cook them with salt pork.

[martin II]

I am cooking a pot tomorrow. :)

I have always loved Lentils when in France but have never been able make them as they do and believe me i have tried.

[tv]

I have found Kate to be wise, intelligent and articulate. If she has something that she wants to ask me about my comments to her, I am sure she will and she can do that in a pm, if she so desires.

As I have said the devil is in the details and I readily admit that I am anal retentive. So with that in mind, please note the following.

Now talk about mixed signals.:)

I would advise Kate not to discuss anything of a sensitive nature with you in PM. Don't worry about my signals. Just know that any signal I send to you will from now on be on the open board. I must have been temporarily insane to think I could trust you. I was warned but just wouldn't listen. Another learning experience. Now of course, since you've proven me wrong about being able to trust you I have to conclude you're probably being disingenuous about other things.

I'm ready to talk about the vicious double-murdering OJ Simpson who was found not-guilty in the criminal trial but GUILTY in the civl trial.

[Kate Sachel]

i think this issue would have been dropped if a certain poster had not made post that could only be desctribed as efforts to cause conflict out of a simple issue.

I think the issue is over and no more digging TO GET THE FACTS is required.

There must be more than one or two ways to cook beans. Any one know how to make Great Northern beans taste good.

Yikes, maybe I am way out of touch but I do not know what a Great Northern bean is.

Kate

[tv]

I have always loved Lentils when in France but have never been able make them as they do and believe me i have tried.
Ewww...I hate Lentils but then I've never had them in France so who knows?

[tv]

Yikes, maybe I am way out of touch but I do not know what a Great Northern bean is.

Kate

It's a dried bean that cooked up like Pinto Beans -- so delicious!

[martin II]

Ewww...I hate Lentils but then I've never had them in France so who knows?

Western europeans are known for great Lental soup.They add lots of things to them and spices.If you ate mine you would hate them even more.Mine usually turn into mush.But the have great health value.

[martin II]

It's a dried bean that cooked up like Pinto Beans -- so delicious!

It is close to navy beans right? or wrong?

[tv]

It is close to navy beans right? or wrong?

Same color but a little larger and much better I think.

[William Anthony]

I would advise Kate not to discuss anything of a sensitive nature with you in PM. Don't worry about my signals. Just know that any signal I send to you will from now on be on the open board. I must have been temporarily insane to think I could trust you. I was warned but just wouldn't listen. Another learning experience. Now of course, since you've proven me wrong about being able to trust you I have to conclude you're probably being disingenuous about other things.

I'm ready to talk about the vicious double-murdering OJ Simpson who was found not-guilty in the criminal trial but GUILTY in the civl trial.

You can conclude anything you would like about me. Kate is perfectly capable and has informed the board and has demonstrated the ability to think for herself. When a poster makes snide remarks publicly about me and another poster and I believe that poster, the snide one, is someone with whom you communicate, then you should have told that poster to take that conversation to a pm, because she was making things public, imHONESTo. However, you implored me to make things public, which to me signaled that I was no longer bound by my promise to you. When I followed the exhortation, you then said I should have discussed it in a pm. I have never pmed that poster, who started this, and never have had a desire to. However, I believe you have. You then exhorted me to speak publicly again. Trust is a two way street and you have lost it on a lonely highway. Kate is somewhat operating in the dark, I believe, from her posts. Be that as it may be, I am looking forward to your post on the cases.

[bobaugust]

The only thing that is wrong is Park's testimony of where he saw Kato walking and this is proven by Park testifying he saw Kato and Simpson almost Simultaneously. Kato testified he had finished his first cursory search shortly before he let the limo in. Kato testified he did not return to the location of where Park said he saw him standing by the north walkway. You give credit to the Park's estimates of seconds as being more reliable, then so be it. That testimony and the phone records prove that Kato did not have time in between to do his first cursory search. End of story for me.

No William, Park is not wrong, you are.

Park’s testimony is very clear, he saw Kaelin for the first time that night and Simpson for the first time that night both at the same time. Park saw Kaelin to his left on the north side of the house coming from his room and Simpson in front of him walk up from the driveway and enter his house (as I believe coming from behind Kaelin’s room.) It took both Park and Kaelin the same amount of time after the noises for each of them to make their way to the front of the house each going their own way. Park went around the north side of the house and Simpson went around the south side of the house.

Kaelin’s testimony that he left his room two to three minutes after he heard the noises supports this. Park’s testimony that he saw both Kaelin and Park at the same time supports this. And Park’s telephone records document the time that Park saw both Kaelin and Simpson as shortly before 10:55.

I’m sorry but your scenario doesn’t make any sense. It is impossible to have happened the way you imagine it to have happened and Park’s telephone records document the real time proving Kaelin’s guess wrong. Yet you say your scenario raises reasonable doubt for you. Evidently you think guesses and impossible unrealistic scenarios are sufficient to raise reasonable doubt. End of story for you.

bobaugust

[tv]

Western europeans are known for great Lental soup.They add lots of things to them and spices.If you ate mine you would hate them even more.Mine usually turn into mush.But the have great health value.

Do you eat them often?

[bobaugust]

You have called me wrong and we have had this discussion before about the Bundy blood being fresh. There was testimony that the blood appeared fresh, which you then came back and said if it appeared fresh it was fresh, remember?
There was no testimony that the blood found at Bundy was fresh. I am determined to maintain an air of civility, at least for the moment, with you no matter how hard you make the feat. I will say that you are mistaken.

I agree the testimony is that the blood appeared to be fresh blood. It was bright red and appeared to be moist. The fact is that when blood ages it changes it’s appearance. Only fresh blood appears bright red and moist, not old blood that some suggest may have been there days or weeks before. So I have taken the liberty to call the blood fresh blood. I believe it is a reasonable inference.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

It is close to navy beans right? or wrong?

Somewhat. I don't like navy beans but I do like Great Northern Beans. I have to come up with a healthy meat for them and I have eaten them with smoked turkey but they just don't taste the same to me. Perhaps, a degree of moderation on the ham is called for. :)

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

Actually, there were 3 witness about the blood the sock--Dr. Gary Sims, who said that he could not say when or how the blood got on the sock and he did not understand why it was not seen well before August. Dr. Lee also testified about this and made a comment on where the blood was located on the sock and I can't remember if it was the expert who Vanatter refused to shake hands with or Dr. McDonnell. The only counter Clark had to this was to suggest that Nicole reached up, under the pant leg and grab the leg. This is just to far out to even consider. IMO.

Did you expect Collin Y. to say, "yeah, I spilled some of the blood and it could have gotten on the glove but please don't tell my boss or let him watch today's testimony?". And if I remember correctly, he volunteered this information. Bottom line, Collin Y, was another state witness who fell in to the "They Suck" category. How many times can the DA's use this and expect people to be confident in with their work and the results?

Again, do you expect any cop or state witness to say the blood drops they saw were "old"? What about the other five other blood drops that were found but did not match Nicole's, Ron's or Simpson's? How could this blood appeared fresh when Fung never tested it until hours and hours later?

You never have explained how these same police officers who saw these blood drops, didn't see the bloody fingerprint on the back gate. Well in American Tragedy, it does say that Riske did in fact see a smudge on the back gate--so how was this missed?


GreeenIce, the defense claimed Nicole’s blood was planted on Simpson’s sock from Nicole’s reference sample. Dr. Cotton later conducted degradation tests on both Nicole’s autopsy blood reference sample and Nicole’s blood found on Simpson’s sock and found that Nicole’s blood on Simpson’s sock had virtually little to no degradation meaning it was fresh blood when it splashed of splattered on Simpson’s socks.

I expect Yamauchi to tell the truth and I believe he did.

What five blood drops were found at Bundy that did not match Nicole, Ron, or Simpson’s blood? Post the testimony or document your claim, please.

Fresh blood appears bright red and moist. Blood that ages does not.

How was the possible fingerprint in blood missed? The same way that all the blood on the rear gate at Bundy wasn’t collected the morning after the murders. Fung screwed up, he never looked at the rear gate when he processed the murder scene.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Let me see if I have the prosecutions theory of the murders correct on certain points, according to your understanding. Simpson alerted Kato to the fact that he was leaving his premises in order to establish an alibi :shrug: but when Kato asked to go with him, Simpson did not refuse the request. :shrug: Simpson and Kato went to get something to eat, returned to Rockingham but Simpson did not change his plans to commit murder. Instead he attired himself in a dark cotton sweat suit on a mid-June night and some sort of wool or cotton cap and dress socks and casual dress shoes so that he would not be recognized or draw attention to himself.:shrug:

You are pretty much correct except that when Simpson went to Kaelin’s room and then for something to eat with Kaelin, Simpson was already wearing the dark colored sweat suit he wore when he later went to Bundy.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

No William, Park is not wrong, you are.

Park’s testimony is very clear, he saw Kaelin for the first time that night and Simpson for the first time that night both at the same time. Park saw Kaelin to his left on the north side of the house coming from his room and Simpson in front of him walk up from the driveway and enter his house (as I believe coming from behind Kaelin’s room.) It took both Park and Kaelin the same amount of time after the noises for each of them to make their way to the front of the house each going their own way. Park went around the north side of the house and Simpson went around the south side of the house.

Kaelin’s testimony that he left his room two to three minutes after he heard the noises supports this. Park’s testimony that he saw both Kaelin and Park at the same time supports this. And Park’s telephone records document the time that Park saw both Kaelin and Simpson as shortly before 10:55.

I’m sorry but your scenario doesn’t make any sense. It is impossible to have happened the way you imagine it to have happened and Park’s telephone records document the real time proving Kaelin’s guess wrong. Yet you say your scenario raises reasonable doubt for you. Evidently you think guesses and impossible unrealistic scenarios are sufficient to raise reasonable doubt. End of story for you.

bobaugust

Reasonable doubt based on a reasonable inference from all the evidence and the testimony and I don't have to be right, only that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were right on that issue. End of story for me and end of discussion for me on that issue.:)

[William Anthony]

You are pretty much correct except that when Simpson went to Kaelin’s room and then for something to eat with Kaelin, Simpson was already wearing the dark colored sweat suit he wore when he later went to Bundy.

bobaugust

According to Kato the sweatsuit had a white zipper and that does not comport with the description of the one allegedly found in the washing machine.

[martin II]

The last one i will mention is Black Bean Soup.Diced carrots,onions small diced potatos,thyme red pepper flakes and Corn Bread.

[William Anthony]

I agree the testimony is that the blood appeared to be fresh blood. It was bright red and appeared to be moist. The fact is that when blood ages it changes it’s appearance. Only fresh blood appears bright red and moist, not old blood that some suggest may have been there days or weeks before. So I have taken the liberty to call the blood fresh blood. I believe it is a reasonable inference.

bobaugust

A reasonable inference can be drawn that the blood was fresh and a reasonable inference can be drawn that it was a bloody crime scene with blood all over and DF and others weren't on their best game as one didn't remember the gate and neither remembered to collect the stains allegedly on that gate until days later and didn't remember what they collected and hence they might have been mistaken.

[Kate Sachel]

I have always believed that about you as you know. I have even attempted to get you to tone it down on occasions. :)

Indeed you have, but indeed I have not. I have learned in my life that innuendo leads generally to confusion and opportunity for bad feelings out of miscommunication.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Indeed you have, but indeed I have not. I have learned in my life that innuendo leads generally to confusion and opportunity for bad feelings out of miscommunication.

Kate

I said attempted but don't get too confident my fair lady. :)

[tv]

The last one i will mention is Black Bean Soup.Diced carrots,onions small diced potatos,thyme red pepper flakes and Corn Bread.
I'm not sure I've had Black Bean Soup. I'm not sure I like Black Beans but you make it sound good.

[martin II]

Do you eat them often?

i am trying to learn how to cook them. but i would say once twice a month,Pinto and Black Bean are regulars.I am trying to eliminate those that are carbo and some time ago i tossed the fat back although i was raised on it.

I was thinking about going to a local french cafe and getting the recipe.

[weezer]

i am trying to learn how to cook them. but i would say once twice a month,Pinto and Black Bean are regulars.I am trying to eliminate those that are carbo and some time ago i tossed the fat back although i was raised on it.

I was thinking about going to a local french cafe and getting the recipe.

most french recipes I've tried were very rich in heavy creams. this site has some great recipes and I do see one for lentils and spinach that sounds yummy

http://allrecipes.com/

[tv]

i am trying to learn how to cook them. but i would say once twice a month,Pinto and Black Bean are regulars.I am trying to eliminate those that are carbo and some time ago i tossed the fat back although i was raised on it.

I was thinking about going to a local french cafe and getting the recipe.
A lot of us born in the South were taught that fatback goes in beans. A hard habit to break but it's so unhealthy. Now I just try to use ham which is somewhat better. I also love the salt pork that weezer mentioned especially in Pintos. If you get the recipe be sure to share. I'll try it once and see if I like it.

[tv]

most french recipes I've tried were very rich in heavy creams. this site has some great recipes and I do see one for lentils and spinach that sounds yummy

http://allrecipes.com/

I'm going to check it out. I love recipes!

[tv]

most french recipes I've tried were very rich in heavy creams. this site has some great recipes and I do see one for lentils and spinach that sounds yummy

http://allrecipes.com/Are you talking about the one with turkey kielbasa?

[weezer]

Are you talking about the one with turkey kielbasa?

yes --

[tv]

yes --

I agree, it sounds really good!

[martin II]

A lot of us born in the South were taught that fatback goes in beans. A hard habit to break but it's so unhealthy. Now I just try to use ham which is somewhat better. I also love the salt pork that weezer mentioned especially in Pintos. If you get the recipe be sure to share. I'll try it once and see if I like it.

I am a southern raised boy. i though i would never stop eating fat back just like it took me until adulthood to stop the becon and eggs breakfast and pork sausage and pancakes.i still eat the grits.

[William Anthony]

I am a southern raised boy. i though i would never stop eating fat back just like it took me until adulthood to stop the becon and eggs breakfast and pork sausage and pancakes.i still eat the grits.

How do you eat your grits?

[martin II]

I agree the testimony is that the blood appeared to be fresh blood. It was bright red and appeared to be moist. The fact is that when blood ages it changes it’s appearance. Only fresh blood appears bright red and moist, not old blood that some suggest may have been there days or weeks before. So I have taken the liberty to call the blood fresh blood. I believe it is a reasonable inference.

bobaugust


william
here is wagners conclusions of test of blood on concrete


From this, there are two conclusions. The first is that there does not appear to be any reason to believe that Fuhrman was lying, mistaken, or embellishing. Insofar as blood on concrete shows "glistening" even after 7 days, it is not at all obvious that another surface -- leather -- might not also show glistening a long time after blood is deposited on it. The second conclusion is that we were mistaken to interpret "glistening" as indicating freshness of the stain, since this condition can be seen, under some conditions at least, a week after the blood is deposited. We were led astray because we had not made a methodical study of drying blood. We did not know that the "freshness" indication with which we were most familiar ("glistening" on paper or cloth) does not apply to concrete. And, nobody who did know bothered to tell us.

Were we misled? Of course we were. But, it is not clear that we were lied to. Can a person tell a recent (12 hour old) blood stain on concrete from an old (7 days) stain? No. Some people might be able tell a brand new (less than 2 hours old) stain from one that was a week old, but most of us could not reliably do even that. So, even after the blood-on-concrete test, it appears that a policeman's opinion that he was looking at blood (or a remarkable facsimile) is reliable, but his guess about its age is not. And, we are enlightened about "glistening."

[martin II]

How do you eat your grits?

With butter and yellow cheese mixed while cooking.

[martin II]

Ok can we please drop the gravy talk? It's 2 hours until dinner and I'm hungry! :0)


Oh great, now it's beans....boy those sure sound good Martin. Hard to find pinto beans in this area so I don't get them often.

grneyes

i have thought about my response to you and have decided that i should apologize as it is possible that i may have hurt your feelings,
when you made your post i had just dealth with a poster making some crazy claim that william and myself were the same person posting on the thread.
i am sorry if i offended you and hope that you will continue to post.

[bobaugust]

Reasonable doubt based on a reasonable inference from all the evidence and the testimony and I don't have to be right, only that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were right on that issue. End of story for me and end of discussion for me on that issue.:)

William, neither the prosecution nor the defense ever implied, suggested, or claimed what you do in your imagined scenario. They all understood that Park first saw Kaelin when Kaelin came down the north path from the back of the house after hearing the noises on his wall. Your imagined scenario is impossible to have happened and any inference you draw from it is unreasonable and wrong. Your scenario does not create reasonable doubt it only, I’m sorry to say, displays your lack of knowledge regarding the layout of the Rockingham estate.

End of story for you?

bobaugust

[martin II]

How do you eat your grits?

up to the lips over the gums look out stomach here it comes.

[William Anthony]

up to the lips over the gums look out stomach here it comes.

I like that. I eat mine like I eat my oatmeal, milk, butter and equal.:)

[William Anthony]

William, neither the prosecution nor the defense ever implied, suggested, or claimed what you do in your imagined scenario. They all understood that Park first saw Kaelin when Kaelin came down the north path from the back of the house after hearing the noises on his wall. Your imagined scenario is impossible to have happened and any inference you draw from it is unreasonable and wrong. Your scenario does not create reasonable doubt it only, I’m sorry to say, displays your lack of knowledge regarding the layout of the Rockingham estate.

End of story for you?

bobaugust

The magnificent one's closing-September 28th

"One final word about Allan Park. We talked a lot about Allan Park. He is somebody that Miss Clark, of course, found credible, but even credible people don't get everything right."

You see that was part of his magnificence. He did not have to tell the jury what didn't make sense. He relied on them to listen to the testimony and compare it to the phone records and consider the inferences to be drawn therefrom just as I did.

[martin II]

William, neither the prosecution nor the defense ever implied, suggested, or claimed what you do in your imagined scenario. They all understood that Park first saw Kaelin when Kaelin came down the north path from the back of the house after hearing the noises on his wall. Your imagined scenario is impossible to have happened and any inference you draw from it is unreasonable and wrong. Your scenario does not create reasonable doubt it only, I’m sorry to say, displays your lack of knowledge regarding the layout of the Rockingham estate.

End of story for you?

bobaugust

if i only had a reason to believe park i would agree.

[martin II]

The magnificent one's closing-September 28th

"One final word about Allan Park. We talked a lot about Allan Park. He is somebody that Miss Clark, of course, found credible, but even credible people don't get everything right."

You see that was part of his magnificence. He did not have to tell the jury what didn't make sense. He relied on them to listen to the testimony and compare it to the phone records and consider the inferences to be drawn therefrom just as I did.

i noticed that about Cochran. He would question a witness not for the specific answer at that time but he would be giving the jury some information that he would use later to turm the light bulb on for the previous testimony.
once schack showed the jury that fung could not be trusted fungs testimony was suspect.

[martin II]

The magnificent one's closing-September 28th

"One final word about Allan Park. We talked a lot about Allan Park. He is somebody that Miss Clark, of course, found credible, but even credible people don't get everything right."

You see that was part of his magnificence. He did not have to tell the jury what didn't make sense. He relied on them to listen to the testimony and compare it to the phone records and consider the inferences to be drawn therefrom just as I did.

Park was not a bad person he was just confused by over preperation by clarke and maby his mother and could not keep his story straight.I believe he was confused about when he saw Kato in the yard.He was true to Park about this and stuck to it as he did when he mistakenly said he saw two cars in the driveway.even when clarke tried to tell him he may be wrong.imo

[William Anthony]

Park was not a bad person he was just confused by over preperation by clarke and maby his mother and could not keep his story straight.I believe he was confused about when he saw Kato in the yard.He was true to Park about this and stuck to it as he did when he mistakenly said he saw two cars in the driveway.even when clarke tried to tell him he may be wrong.imo

I think he was trying to be honest and I am not sure if it was the prosecution's suggestion or his own assumption that things had to be the way he thought they were.

[weezer]

Alan Park told a consistent story and his story was supported by the evidence. He had nothing to gain from the case except derision from NG's. Unlike everyone else involved -- the criminal jury, the criminal defense team, the prosecutors, the detectives -- Park never sold his story.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by William Anthony View Post
The magnificent one's closing-September 28th

"One final word about Allan Park. We talked a lot about Allan Park. He is somebody that Miss Clark, of course, found credible, but even credible people don't get everything right.

[GreenIce]

We have heard from multiple people that the Brown family was not supportive of Nicole's decision to divorce OJ Simpson. We heard it from Faye Resnick, Linda Schulman, Kris Kardashian, Robin Grier, and Terri Baker.

I didn't mention anything regarding their age difference, but regardless I don't believe that there was an issue with anyone "letting" her date him considering that she was 18 years of age at the time and legally an adult.

As far as the question of "are you supposed to hate your in-laws" I would say that if your in-law happens to be an individual that you know is being physical with your daughter/sister then yes, I do believe that well before the divorce you should hate him.

Kate

Kate,

What if the Browns truly believed there was only one incident where it got physical? What bothers me about all these "friends". They say they saw all this abuse yet all of them seemed to still want to be associated with OJ Simpson. They certainly enjoyed the benefits of his star status, they still vacationed with them. What did Nicole mean that if she died, her friends would sell her out?

Perhaps a better example is with Kato, he says Nicole told him that OJ was going to kill her and what weapon he would use---yet he moves in to Simpson's estate?

Did any of these friends give a deposition or go to the DA's with their story?

[martin II]

Alan Park told a consistent story and his story was supported by the evidence. He had nothing to gain from the case except derision from NG's. Unlike everyone else involved -- the criminal jury, the criminal defense team, the prosecutors, the detectives -- Park never sold his story.

I am sure your consistent is different from mine when you speak of park.he changed his testimony on seeing the bronco,he saw two cars in the driveway.he testified differently as to where and others pout the bags in the limk, he was not trurhful when he said he duid not take his eyes off the front gate and he was mistaken about when and where he saw Kato. he was not a bad person just got confused. the jury realized this when they got deliberated.
Park had no story to sell his role was limited.you cannot make a story out of nothing

[weezer]

I am sure your consistent is different from mine when you speak of park.he changed his testimony on seeing the bronco,he saw two cars in the driveway.he testified differently as to where and others pout the bags in the limk, he was not trurhful when he said he duid not take his eyes off the front gate and he was mistaken about when and where he saw Kato. he was not a bad person just got confused. the jury realized this when they got deliberated.
Park had no story to sell his role was limited.you cannot make a story out of nothing

Park told a consistent story that was supported by the evidence.

[martin II]

Kate,

What if the Browns truly believed there was only one incident where it got physical? What bothers me about all these "friends". They say they saw all this abuse yet all of them seemed to still want to be associated with OJ Simpson. They certainly enjoyed the benefits of his star status, they still vacationed with them. What did Nicole mean that if she died, her friends would sell her out?

Perhaps a better example is with Kato, he says Nicole told him that OJ was going to kill her and what weapon he would use---yet he moves in to Simpson's estate?

Did any of these friends give a deposition or go to the DA's with their story?

oj was the center of life for most of them. He was giving and they were taking.nicoles popularity centered around oj simpson.

[GreenIce]

When he walked through the house he didn't know about the thumps. Why wouldn't he have just planted the glove in the house? He didn't know there would be a report of thumps behind the bungalows.

TV,

MF would have been too smart to plant in the house. The detectives used that glove to declare Rockingham a crime scene. They know that no judge was going to toss out the search warrant because of the glove.

Yes, he did know about the thumps even before he entered the house. Remember, he stayed back to talk to Kato, asked for his clothes, his shoes, asked him if he was under the influence, etc. He took Kato into the house, told Vanatter to talk to him and then went back outside and then found the glove about 15 minutes later.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by William Anthony View Post
The magnificent one's closing-September 28th

"One final word about Allan Park. We talked a lot about Allan Park. He is somebody that Miss Clark, of course, found credible, but even credible people don't get everything right.

[martin II]

I think he was trying to be honest and I am not sure if it was the prosecution's suggestion or his own assumption that things had to be the way he thought they were.

The issue of when he saw Kato was one that could turn the trial as it related to the time Kato heard the noise. this single issue is a deal braker for the prosecution as cochran had established that Heidastra was credible.
but if oj was in his house it would go to all the lab work being false and it would look like some big frame.
this is why Park was prompted to say he saw Kato before he went searching.But the lights put cold water on that

[GreenIce]

oj was the center of life for most of them. He was giving and they were taking.nicoles popularity centered around oj simpson.

Martin,

IMO, there is no evidence that Nicole was into being popular. In fact, I think there is more evidence to suggest that she didn't no enjoy the social obligations that often come with being a celebrity. It seems to me that Nicole was very content and happy to be a full time mother and keeping a low media profile.

Was Simpson just as generous with the Browns when the Simpson's divorced? Also, Nicole herself said that she was no angel when it came to the problems of their marriage, perhaps her family saw it the same way.

There is no evidence that Nicole was a trophy wife. In fact, her pain and anger of Simpson's cheating is proof of this, IMO. If Nicole believed her family would suffer if she divorced Simpson, then I don't think she would have.

Also, is that uncommon that couples who have been together for a long time do maintain a friendly relationship with their ex-inlaws?

[tv]

TV,

MF would have been too smart to plant in the house. The detectives used that glove to declare Rockingham a crime scene. They know that no judge was going to toss out the search warrant because of the glove.

Yes, he did know about the thumps even before he entered the house. Remember, he stayed back to talk to Kato, asked for his clothes, his shoes, asked him if he was under the influence, etc. He took Kato into the house, told Vanatter to talk to him and then went back outside and then found the glove about 15 minutes later.

You're right. I was thinking that he was in the house first. What I meant was that he went in the house before investigating the thumps. I don't believe he planted the glove. I've seen no evidence to suggest that he did. On the other hand, with the blood of the victims and OJ Simpson and the glove being the type and size he wore it points only to OJ Simpson not to Mark Fuhrman.

What do you think was the cause of the thumps? You think it's just a coincidence that Kato heard the thumps, the Limo driver couldn't get Simpson to answer, he's cut on the left hand and Nicole and Ron are found dead all on the same night?

[martin II]

Martin,

IMO, there is no evidence that Nicole was into being popular. In fact, I think there is more evidence to suggest that she didn't no enjoy the social obligations that often come with being a celebrity. It seems to me that Nicole was very content and happy to be a full time mother and keeping a low media profile.

Was Simpson just as generous with the Browns when the Simpson's divorced? Also, Nicole herself said that she was no angel when it came to the problems of their marriage, perhaps her family saw it the same way.

There is no evidence that Nicole was a trophy wife. In fact, her pain and anger of Simpson's cheating is proof of this, IMO. If Nicole believed her family would suffer if she divorced Simpson, then I don't think she would have.

Also, is that uncommon that couples who have been together for a long time do maintain a friendly relationship with their ex-inlaws?

i did not mean that nicole saught popularity. i mean that it was forced on he because she was married to oj.

i agree that the famalies would not turn on pj because they divoiced. the browns acted civilly towards oj at the recital because they had their own relationships with him.

[martin II]

You're right. I was thinking that he was in the house first. What I meant was that he went in the house before investigating the thumps. I don't believe he planted the glove. I've seen no evidence to suggest that he did. On the other hand, with the blood of the victims and OJ Simpson and the glove being the type and size he wore it points only to OJ Simpson not to Mark Fuhrman.

What do you think was the cause of the thumps? You think it's just a coincidence that Kato heard the thumps, the Limo driver couldn't get Simpson to answer, he's cut on the left hand and Nicole and Ron are found dead all on the same night?

There is enough evidence of police labs manipulating blood evidence in the lab to understand that it is done to suppore a prosecutors weak case.
if there had been no mistakes or errors there would be no reason for concern. since there was there is reason for concern.

[GreenIce]

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You say that getting into a war with the police would accomplish nothing. What did insulting the Goldmans accomplish? Do you think there is ever a time to turn the other cheek even if you disagree with a person’s statements? I have been forgiving of other’s anger against me sometimes because I knew they had gone through a difficult experience, and those tough experiences were never as bad as having a loved one killed. Ordinarily we give grieving people some tolerance. I believe that OJS has made some tasteless statements about Nicole after her death; funny that doesn’t bother you. I have read statements of relatives of murder victims who have said things I didn’t agree with, but I give them some tolerance because of the situation. After the 2001 terrorist attacks some relatives of the victims said things that I thought went too far, but I felt sadness, not anger.
In the civil trial, Simpson’s advocate, Baker made a remark in his closing speech about Ron Goldman would be lucky to own a credit card. And yet just after that speech, Mr. Baker told Petrocelli that he expected the plaintiffs to win big. I doubt that Baker would have said that if OJS didn’t ask him to. A defense lawyer doesn’t ordinarily toss out insults which may result in a bigger win for the plaintiff. In any case that statement fit in quite well with other things OJS said about the Goldmans (and Baker as well).

As for Clark being more interested in victory than in justice; that is possible, but it comes it is a form of mind reading. It is easier to judge actions than motivations. Lawyers often value victorry over justice.

fgump2,

I do don't know what comments Simpson made that you found to be distasteful.

As for what Baker said about Ron and the credit card, that was part of his job. The civil trial is about money. He knew the case was lost before he even entered the courtroom and he knew that Ron's earning ability would be a factor when it came to determining the size of the judgement. I found the comment to be cold but it was the truth.

The Goldmans had the same attitude about Sydney and Justin. They could not show any compassion for them because it would interfere with their plans regarding the judgement.

[GreenIce]

you have just posted a tirade of unsupportable, illogical crap. good job!

FBG,

I ignore most of your posts and don't bother responding them to because it is pointless.

However, I deeply resent these comments. I will not take this any further and I hope no one else does either.

However, the bottom line is you crossed the line and I am asking you to please apologize to me and get yourself back across the line.

[martin II]

fgump2,

I do don't know what comments Simpson made that you found to be distasteful.

As for what Baker said about Ron and the credit card, that was part of his job. The civil trial is about money. He knew the case was lost before he even entered the courtroom and he knew that Ron's earning ability would be a factor when it came to determining the size of the judgement. I found the comment to be cold but it was the truth.

The Goldmans had the same attitude about Sydney and Justin. They could not show any compassion for them because it would interfere with their plans regarding the judgement.

That is exactly how i have read fred. It has always been about the judgement for him.
Ron had no proven earning ability and oj earning ability had been cut from big to just about nothing,

The amount of the judgement meant a lot to some as it was large and they got some satisfaction from this historical award but it actually made the award unrealisted and way beyond ojs ability to pay. So now it is at about $39,000,000 and some are pleased at this amount but it only means that the judgement will never be paid and fred will go to his grave looking for ojs money.

[fgump2]

Correction to your post'
The glove was not rare at all Bloomingdales purchased 10,ooo pair.Bloomingdales did not sell the shoes to oj. The gloves were not cold weather gloves as you have previously said. they were thin dress leather gloves not for cold weather yet you believe oj wore them in cold weather.

You make many comments and state them as fact yet at the same time you say you have no proof or 'I don't know" It is difficult to know what you know as fact and what you are just guessing on.
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There were a lot of things in the trial. Nobody knows it all. There were 300 extra large pairs of that type of gloves manufactured. I got this from Bugliosi's book, page 141. There were more of that size than I thought, but still a lot less than 10,000.
The gloves were dress gloves, but people are more likely to wear leather dress gloves when it is cold. More common in Boston in Jan, than in Miami in July. I realize those two cities aren't part of this case. I saw a picture of OJS wearing these gloves in cold weather (everyone was bundled up) at a football game. Whether or not these gloves did a good job of keeping a person’s hands warm wasn't an important factor in this case.

According to Bugliosi's book, there were 299 of the shoes in question of OJS's size sold in the US. This was from page 277 of that book.
With only about 300 of both the shoes and gloves in the country, it would be an unusual person who owned both a pair of the gloves and shoes of the correct size. If we found such a person, we should check to see if he might be guilty.

[martin II]

FBG,

I ignore most of your posts and don't bother responding them to because it is pointless.

However, I deeply resent these comments. I will not take this any further and I hope no one else does either.

However, the bottom line is you crossed the line and I am asking you to please apologize to me and get yourself back across the line.

I agree with you in many ways. i have seen no reason for such a mean spirited comment towards you but then again that is that posters regular MO
and most have learned to ignore them.

I think you are being quite generous when you say crossed the line. it is much more than that.

[GreenIce]

I agree with you in many ways. i have seen no reason for such a mean spirited comment towards you but then again that is that posters regular MO
and most have learned to ignore them.

I think you are being quite generous when you say crossed the line. it is much more than that.

Martin,

I just don't want this to get out control nor do it want it taken further. I can only hope that the right decision is made by the poster.

[martin II]

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There were a lot of things in the trial. Nobody knows it all. There were 300 extra large pairs of that type of gloves manufactured. I got this from Bugliosi's book, page 141. There were more of that size than I thought, but still a lot less than 10,000.
The gloves were dress gloves, but people are more likely to wear leather dress gloves when it is cold. More common in Boston in Jan, than in Miami in July. I realize those two cities aren't part of this case. I saw a picture of OJS wearing these gloves in cold weather (everyone was bundled up) at a football game. Whether or not these gloves did a good job of keeping a person’s hands warm wasn't an important factor in this case.

According to Bugliosi's book, there were 299 of the shoes in question of OJS's size sold in the US. This was from page 277 of that book.
With only about 300 of both the shoes and gloves in the country, it would be an unusual person who owned both a pair of the gloves and shoes of the correct size. If we found such a person, we should check to see if he might be guilty.


I find myself constantly correcting your post
blloominghdales shoe sales manager that serviced celiberties testified that he never sold oj those BM shoes. That he would never sale oj those shoes for the weather in Buffalo. He sold him some other shoes.

Obviously you have little experience with dress gloves.Oj nor anyone else would have selected Aris light thin dress gloves fior cold weather use.If you paid any attentuion to mr Rubins testinmony you would know this.
There is nothing wrong with you making wild accusations but your post would have more credibility if you would add links so posters could read your claims for themselves. The other issue is if your claims were closer to the facts it would be easier for posters to believe them.

[grneyes]

grneyes

i have thought about my response to you and have decided that i should apologize as it is possible that i may have hurt your feelings,
when you made your post i had just dealth with a poster making some crazy claim that william and myself were the same person posting on the thread.
i am sorry if i offended you and hope that you will continue to post.

Thank you Martin. We all get fired up sometimes. :-)

No harm done.

Well, except for making me hungry with all the food talk. *lol* So I made chicken and veggie stir fry and lemon pudding with a graham cracker crust for dessert.